Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On 4/4/2012 6:33 πμ, waldo kitty wrote: agreed... plus we do not know how many years the v1.0 of delphi was in development... we might guess based on TP/BP stuffs but we still do not know for sure... it can easily be for more years than FP/Laz has been in development ;) Not really, this quote from a history article from Borland's Museum: --- Delphi started out as a beta codename for a closely guarded skunkworks project at Borland: a next-generation visual development environment for Windows based on Borland's Object Pascal programming language. The codename hatched in mid 1993, after the development team had been through about 6 months of deep research, proof-of-concept exercises, and market analysis. --- So Delphi was in development since late 1992. Since the first release was in 1995, we can infer that Delphi was at most three years in development before the first 1.0 release. Lazarus started in 1999 (and according to the history page in the wiki, it is based on an older 1998 project which itself is based on an even older project, although i'm not sure what exactly based here means) so it is over a decade in development and still no 1.0. So if you think about it, if Borland worked on Delphi more than Lazarus, then they'd need to work on it before even Windows 1.0 was released :-P. Kostas Bad Sector Michalopoulos -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
Am 10.04.2012 13:05, schrieb Kostas Michalopoulos: On 4/4/2012 6:33 πμ, waldo kitty wrote: agreed... plus we do not know how many years the v1.0 of delphi was in development... we might guess based on TP/BP stuffs but we still do not know for sure... it can easily be for more years than FP/Laz has been in development ;) Not really, this quote from a history article from Borland's Museum: --- Delphi started out as a beta codename for a closely guarded skunkworks project at Borland: a next-generation visual development environment for Windows based on Borland's Object Pascal programming language. The codename hatched in mid 1993, after the development team had been through about 6 months of deep research, proof-of-concept exercises, and market analysis. --- So Delphi was in development since late 1992. Since the first release was in 1995, we can infer that Delphi was at most three years in development before the first 1.0 release. Lazarus started in 1999 (and according to the history page in the wiki, it is based on an older 1998 project which itself is based on an even older project, although i'm not sure what exactly based here means) so it is over a decade in development and still no 1.0. So if you think about it, if Borland worked on Delphi more than Lazarus, then they'd need to work on it before even Windows 1.0 was released :-P. If you divide the development time span by the number of supported widget sets, OSes, CPU architecture etc. the period from the start of the project to 1.0 is pretty amazing :) -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
Kostas Michalopoulos schrieb: So if you think about it, if Borland worked on Delphi more than Lazarus, then they'd need to work on it before even Windows 1.0 was released :-P. Lazarus should have released versions 2..7 and following, but the developers seem to think that a 1.0 version can be released only when all features of the latest Delphi release are implemented ;-) This has been stopped by the release of Delphi XE2, whose new widgetset doesn't fit into the LCL. Perhaps a Lazarus 2 is already in preparation, compatible with XE2, and the work on 1.0 will be abandoned soon? DoDi -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On 4/9/2012 06:25, Bernd wrote: 2012/4/9 waldo kittywkitt...@windstream.net: interesting... i do not recall useride in what i was looking at in the makefile but... where do you see this listed as a make target? A few months ago I noticed a commit regarding this (I have the svn log in my rss reader) which made me curious because something like this was (almost) exactly what I was looking for all the time, then I looked into the makefile and saw it ;-) i wonder why it is not listed in the all section, then? i found it in .PHONY and then yes, there is a section header for it that does call lazbuild which builds the default ide... default as in which ever one has been saved as the initial one... on my system, this is debug ide... on yours it might be optimized ide... so my script builds all the necessary items and then invokes lazbuild for each of the known default ide... so as to give one a choice, any time, as to what they run for their ide... this should allow for testing between revisions... i just need to figure out how to get the revision number being compiled so that the exes can be named with it... eg: 04/05/2012 16:05 130,631,688 lazarus_r36661-clean_up_build_all.exe 04/05/2012 15:50 76,245,358 lazarus_r36661-debug.exe 04/05/2012 15:56 93,860,444 lazarus_r36661-normal.exe 04/05/2012 16:00 13,431,404 lazarus_r36661-optimized.exe 04/09/2012 20:23 76,463,494 lazarus.exe -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:11:37 -0400 waldo kitty wkitt...@windstream.net wrote: On 4/9/2012 06:25, Bernd wrote: 2012/4/9 waldo kittywkitt...@windstream.net: interesting... i do not recall useride in what i was looking at in the makefile but... where do you see this listed as a make target? A few months ago I noticed a commit regarding this (I have the svn log in my rss reader) which made me curious because something like this was (almost) exactly what I was looking for all the time, then I looked into the makefile and saw it ;-) i wonder why it is not listed in the all section, then? all is the default target. A make should build a default IDE. i found it in .PHONY and then yes, there is a section header for it that does call lazbuild which builds the default ide... default as in which ever one has been saved as the initial one... on my system, this is debug ide... on yours it might be optimized ide... so my script builds all the necessary items and then invokes lazbuild for each of the known default ide... so as to give one a choice, any time, as to what they run for their ide... this should allow for testing between revisions... i just need to figure out how to get the revision number being compiled so that the exes can be named with it... eg: 04/05/2012 16:05 130,631,688 lazarus_r36661-clean_up_build_all.exe 04/05/2012 15:50 76,245,358 lazarus_r36661-debug.exe 04/05/2012 15:56 93,860,444 lazarus_r36661-normal.exe 04/05/2012 16:00 13,431,404 lazarus_r36661-optimized.exe 04/09/2012 20:23 76,463,494 lazarus.exe I'm curious. What are you testing with these 5 versions of the IDE? Mattias -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On 4/10/2012 10:16, Mattias Gaertner wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:11:37 -0400 waldo kittywkitt...@windstream.net wrote: On 4/9/2012 06:25, Bernd wrote: 2012/4/9 waldo kittywkitt...@windstream.net: interesting... i do not recall useride in what i was looking at in the makefile but... where do you see this listed as a make target? A few months ago I noticed a commit regarding this (I have the svn log in my rss reader) which made me curious because something like this was (almost) exactly what I was looking for all the time, then I looked into the makefile and saw it ;-) i wonder why it is not listed in the all section, then? all is the default target. A make should build a default IDE. yes, it does... i found it in .PHONY and then yes, there is a section header for it that does call lazbuild which builds the default ide... default as in which ever one has been saved as the initial one... on my system, this is debug ide... on yours it might be optimized ide... so my script builds all the necessary items and then invokes lazbuild for each of the known default ide... so as to give one a choice, any time, as to what they run for their ide... this should allow for testing between revisions... i just need to figure out how to get the revision number being compiled so that the exes can be named with it... eg: 04/05/2012 16:05 130,631,688 lazarus_r36661-clean_up_build_all.exe 04/05/2012 15:50 76,245,358 lazarus_r36661-debug.exe 04/05/2012 15:56 93,860,444 lazarus_r36661-normal.exe 04/05/2012 16:00 13,431,404 lazarus_r36661-optimized.exe 04/09/2012 20:23 76,463,494 lazarus.exe I'm curious. What are you testing with these 5 versions of the IDE? nothing yet... the idea is to be able to draw from several revisions and see how one's own programs come out... it isn't necessarily that these flavors are being tested but to give those using my script the choice of which they want to use... BTW: you found a bug... i thought i had made the change from copying lazarus.new.exe but i guess i didn't... my system halts for approval on certain items and in this case, it sat for a few days awaiting ACK of the new lazbuild starting up... there's supposed to be only 4 there... the 4 default ones... and lazarus.exe should be a copy of one of them... however, in the above case, lazarus.exe is a new debug one and none of the others were generated... interesting ~200K difference, though... the ones with the _rX in them are actually r36581 and the lazarus.exe is r36661... i should have noticed this when i was posting before :( plus, someone asked a while back about the compiled size of the ide's exes during the time that the jvm stuff was being added... i had about 20 or so exes but no way to differentiate them without starting them and looking at help-about... at that time i was doing the build from inside the ide and then manually numbering like lazarus01.exe, lazarus02.exe and could then only attempt to rely on the filedate to get close to the revision... i find it kinda interesting that normal is larger than debug yet debug has more details... i'm assuming that clean up + build all has no optimizations at all... i guess this should be seen in the build profiles... -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
2012/4/9 waldo kitty wkitt...@windstream.net: interesting... i do not recall useride in what i was looking at in the makefile but... where do you see this listed as a make target? A few months ago I noticed a commit regarding this (I have the svn log in my rss reader) which made me curious because something like this was (almost) exactly what I was looking for all the time, then I looked into the makefile and saw it ;-) -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 12:25:43 +0200 Bernd prof7...@googlemail.com wrote: 2012/4/9 waldo kitty wkitt...@windstream.net: interesting... i do not recall useride in what i was looking at in the makefile but... where do you see this listed as a make target? A few months ago I noticed a commit regarding this (I have the svn log in my rss reader) which made me curious because something like this was (almost) exactly what I was looking for all the time, then I looked into the makefile and saw it ;-) It was started a few weeks ago. Now it works. You can now compile with make clean lazbuild useride Mattias -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
2012/4/5 waldo kitty wkitt...@windstream.net: an ignorant (meaning uneducated!) look at the Makefile in the lazarus root turns up the following on line 3910... all: lazbuild lcl ideintf components tools ide starter which i /think/ indicates that one could leave out the ide target like so... make lazbuild lcl ideintf components tools starter How about simply using this: make lazbuild lcl ideintf components tools starter useride because useride is the target that is calling lazbuild, maybe even make lazbuild tools starter useride would be enough already? (didn't try it myself) -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On 4/8/2012 06:51, Bernd wrote: 2012/4/5 waldo kittywkitt...@windstream.net: an ignorant (meaning uneducated!) look at the Makefile in the lazarus root turns up the following on line 3910... all: lazbuild lcl ideintf components tools ide starter which i /think/ indicates that one could leave out the ide target like so... make lazbuild lcl ideintf components tools starter How about simply using this: make lazbuild lcl ideintf components tools starter useride because useride is the target that is calling lazbuild, maybe even i did not know that make could/would call lazbuild... or maybe i did but do not recall it whilst wading thru the learning curve? ;) make lazbuild tools starter useride would be enough already? (didn't try it myself) interesting... i do not recall useride in what i was looking at in the makefile but... where do you see this listed as a make target? -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 5:33 PM, waldo kitty wkitt...@windstream.net wrote: On 4/5/2012 14:54, waldo kitty wrote: On 4/5/2012 12:53, Marcos Douglas wrote: In another words, if I used lazbuild I had compile just one time. Is that you mean? [...] so a whole new svn install can go like this... 1- get the sources from SVN /branches/fixes_1_0/ 2- make lazbuild lcl ideintf components tools starter 3- lazbuild --build-ide= --build-mode= 4. copy lazarus.new.exe lazarus.exe (i don't know why lazbuild doesn't, yet) [trim] whereas an update would be like so... 1- make clean 2- svn up 3- make lazbuild lcl ideintf components tools starter 4- lazbuild --build-ide= --build-mode= 5. copy lazarus.new.exe lazarus.exe (i don't know why lazbuild doesn't, yet) yes! i can confirm that the update workflow (above) works without building a new ide first and then building another one with lazbuild... this definitely saves some time ;) i will assume that the new load from svn workflow (also above) works without building an ide and then another with lazbuild... i will try to incorporate this into my copy of the wiki instruction scripts and see how it goes... it is actually easier than i thought and i would never have gotten this far without the help and explanations from mattias and others who tossed in nuggets here and there... Very nice. I have one question: If you use make lcl ideintf components [...] and after lazbuild [...] you probably compiled the same sources twice (first with Make and then using lazbuild), don't? Marcos Douglas -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Thu, 05 Apr 2012 14:54:31 -0400 waldo kitty wkitt...@windstream.net wrote: On 4/5/2012 12:53, Marcos Douglas wrote: On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:32 PM, waldo kittywkitt...@windstream.net wrote: BUT i note that your above appears to say that you started fresh with a new empty directory... in that case you are quite correct that make clean can't run because the files have not been downloaded yet... you could maybe do the following, though... 1- get the sources from SVN /branches/fixes_1_0/ 2- Run make clean all 3- lazbuild --build-ide= --build-mode= 4. copy lazarus.new.exe lazarus.exe(i don't know why lazbuild doesn't, yet) and then starting lazarus with your PCP parms should have you where you want to be... i think... i've not used PCP parms yet... but that is coming ;) In another words, if I used lazbuild I had compile just one time. Is that you mean? yes... to a point in which direction i'm strongly headed toward... 1. make all includes compiling a default default lazarus.exe... 2. this is one of the things i was speaking with mattias about... 3. one can easily make only needed targets... 4. one needs to keep up with the makefile development for new or removed targets in this area... an ignorant (meaning uneducated!) look at the Makefile in the lazarus root turns up the following on line 3910... all: lazbuild lcl ideintf components tools ide starter which i /think/ indicates that one could leave out the ide target like so... make lazbuild lcl ideintf components tools starter Yes. Keep in mind that this internal list may change at any time and without notification. so a whole new svn install can go like this... 1- get the sources from SVN /branches/fixes_1_0/ 2- make lazbuild lcl ideintf components tools starter 3- lazbuild --build-ide= --build-mode= 4. copy lazarus.new.exe lazarus.exe(i don't know why lazbuild doesn't, yet) I fixed 4. lazbuild now creates lazarus.exe, not lazarus.new.exe. Mattias -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 12:13:35 -0300 Marcos Douglas m...@delfire.net wrote: [...] Very nice. I have one question: If you use make lcl ideintf components [...] and after lazbuild [...] you probably compiled the same sources twice (first with Make and then using lazbuild), don't? lazbuild checks how the sources were compiled. Compiling packages via make is like compiling without any special options. If you use no extra options, then lazbuild will not recompile the packages. Mattias -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Mattias Gaertner nc-gaert...@netcologne.de wrote: On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 12:13:35 -0300 Marcos Douglas m...@delfire.net wrote: [...] Very nice. I have one question: If you use make lcl ideintf components [...] and after lazbuild [...] you probably compiled the same sources twice (first with Make and then using lazbuild), don't? lazbuild checks how the sources were compiled. Compiling packages via make is like compiling without any special options. If you use no extra options, then lazbuild will not recompile the packages. Very good! Thanks. Marcos Douglas -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On 4/6/2012 11:44, Mattias Gaertner wrote: On Thu, 05 Apr 2012 14:54:31 -0400 waldo kittywkitt...@windstream.net wrote: an ignorant (meaning uneducated!) look at the Makefile in the lazarus root turns up the following on line 3910... all: lazbuild lcl ideintf components tools ide starter which i /think/ indicates that one could leave out the ide target like so... make lazbuild lcl ideintf components tools starter Yes. Keep in mind that this internal list may change at any time and without notification. ok... good to know... also, does the order matter? if we build lazbuild first, do the others (lcl ideintf components tools and starter) get built again or does the make stuff see those that maybe had been built and bypass them somehow? so a whole new svn install can go like this... 1- get the sources from SVN /branches/fixes_1_0/ 2- make lazbuild lcl ideintf components tools starter 3- lazbuild --build-ide= --build-mode= 4. copy lazarus.new.exe lazarus.exe(i don't know why lazbuild doesn't, yet) I fixed 4. lazbuild now creates lazarus.exe, not lazarus.new.exe. alright! i actually figured out why the internal to lazarus build method does this... it is because startlazarus will detect lazrus.new.exe and rename lazarus.exe to lazarus.old.exe and then rename lazarus.new.exe to lazarus.exe... say that three times fast! :lol: but anyway, that caught me out the other day... i had a lazarus.new.exe left in the laz directory and startlazarus performed its majik and confused me for a minute until i realized what had happened ;) sokath, his eyes open! ;) -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On 4/6/2012 12:00, Mattias Gaertner wrote: On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 12:13:35 -0300 Marcos Douglasm...@delfire.net wrote: [...] Very nice. I have one question: If you use make lcl ideintf components [...] and after lazbuild [...] you probably compiled the same sources twice (first with Make and then using lazbuild), don't? lazbuild checks how the sources were compiled. Compiling packages via make is like compiling without any special options. If you use no extra options, then lazbuild will not recompile the packages. that's what i thought... but wasn't sure exactly how marcos was looking at it... thus my previous question about moving lazbuild to the end or at least further down (to the right) of that make param list... -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 22:18:37 -0300 Marcos Douglas m...@delfire.net wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Mattias Gaertner nc-gaert...@netcologne.de wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:59:08 -0300 Marcos Douglas m...@delfire.net wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Mattias Gaertner nc-gaert...@netcologne.de wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:38:03 -0300 Marcos Douglas m...@delfire.net wrote: [...] I can't use make all because all configuration, components, etc will gone. No. Make does not delete/alter configurations. In fact it does not even know where your configuration is. That's why it can only build a default IDE or a default big IDE. When you start such a default IDE, it will read your configuration. If you use it to build a new IDE it will install your packages. Then you get a new IDE with your configuration and your components. Or you can use lazbuild to build an IDE with your components in a console. Sorry, I think I did not understand. You're saying I should use Make to build a default IDE at the first time. After that I should use the Build command (on IDE) or lazbuild tool to recompile with my own configurations and components? make clean all is the clean way. It's recommended if I have an error, right? Yes. We use make clean all, get a default IDE and recompile again using pcp param to restart all configurations, components, etc. But I have to compile twice. Am I right? Yes. Compiling once with the default settings and once with your settings helps if compiling fails. In 99,9% of all svn revisions it is enough to rebuild the IDE via the IDE. OK. I compiled project ide/startlazarus.lpi and I got an error because the startlazarus.exe is running... of course. So, I started Lazarus without use startlazarus and I compiled again. Now I can see the splash updated. AFAIK startlazarus should end itself shortly after starting the IDE. Maybe you were too quick, maybe your virus scanner was still scanning startlazarus.exe. Mattias -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 11:17 PM, waldo kitty wkitt...@windstream.net wrote: On 4/4/2012 21:18, Marcos Douglas wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Mattias Gaertner wrote: make clean all is the clean way. It's recommended if I have an error, right? ummm... n... please see the lazbuild build IDE profiles thread... Sorry. I think I still didn't understand what advantages to use lazbuild instead of IDEBuild We use make clean all, get a default IDE and recompile again using pcp param to restart all configurations, components, etc. But I have to compile twice. Am I right? yes, there is that but if make all is not used, the one must know and call all of the necessary make targets without the IDE one to get all the tools built... And lazbuild do this, i.e., build ALL tools, sources and IDE (of course)? In 99,9% of all svn revisions it is enough to rebuild the IDE via the IDE. that's what my discussions in the lazbuild build IDE profiles thread are all about... why have to manually go into the IDE to build a new IDE after a svn update?? i start my updatelaz script which cleans the dirs, updates from svn, and then does the building of the tools and lazarus... now that things are working better, i can go have a cuppa' joe while everything does all its churning and burning... on this particular workstation, that's about 30 minutes or so... maybe more... maybe less... OK, I see at least one advantage to use lazbuild now: I can have ONE big script that clear, update and compile all sources and tools. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I don't see many other advantages. I don't update always -- I like to see what changed before update -- and the only difference between use the IDE instead lazbuild to compile is that the user have to run the IDE and click in Build -- and I can go have a cup of coffe -- and the lazbuild (working together with a big script) can be running with a single command. But you can change my mind. =) OK. I compiled project ide/startlazarus.lpi and I got an error because the startlazarus.exe is running... of course. So, I started Lazarus without use startlazarus and I compiled again. Now I can see the splash updated. hummm... interesting... =) Marcos Douglas -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 4:45 AM, Mattias Gaertner nc-gaert...@netcologne.de wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 22:18:37 -0300 Marcos Douglas m...@delfire.net wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Mattias Gaertner nc-gaert...@netcologne.de wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:59:08 -0300 Marcos Douglas m...@delfire.net wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Mattias Gaertner nc-gaert...@netcologne.de wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:38:03 -0300 Marcos Douglas m...@delfire.net wrote: [...] I can't use make all because all configuration, components, etc will gone. No. Make does not delete/alter configurations. In fact it does not even know where your configuration is. That's why it can only build a default IDE or a default big IDE. When you start such a default IDE, it will read your configuration. If you use it to build a new IDE it will install your packages. Then you get a new IDE with your configuration and your components. Or you can use lazbuild to build an IDE with your components in a console. Sorry, I think I did not understand. You're saying I should use Make to build a default IDE at the first time. After that I should use the Build command (on IDE) or lazbuild tool to recompile with my own configurations and components? make clean all is the clean way. It's recommended if I have an error, right? Yes. We use make clean all, get a default IDE and recompile again using pcp param to restart all configurations, components, etc. But I have to compile twice. Am I right? Yes. Compiling once with the default settings and once with your settings helps if compiling fails. Oh right, that's I thought, thanks. I had need this technique when I had problems with update from SVN. In 99,9% of all svn revisions it is enough to rebuild the IDE via the IDE. OK. I compiled project ide/startlazarus.lpi and I got an error because the startlazarus.exe is running... of course. So, I started Lazarus without use startlazarus and I compiled again. Now I can see the splash updated. AFAIK startlazarus should end itself shortly after starting the IDE. Maybe you were too quick, maybe your virus scanner was still scanning startlazarus.exe. Hmm... OK, I did not know that. I will monitor if startlazarus end itself. Thanks. Marcos Douglas -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
Marcos Douglas m...@delfire.net hat am 5. April 2012 um 14:04 geschrieben: [...] AFAIK startlazarus should end itself shortly after starting the IDE. Maybe you were too quick, maybe your virus scanner was still scanning startlazarus.exe. Hmm... OK, I did not know that. I will monitor if startlazarus end itself. Thanks. I was wrong. It does not stop itself. Maybe this can be changed. Mattias -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
2012/4/5 Mattias Gaertner nc-gaert...@netcologne.de: Marcos Douglas m...@delfire.net hat am 5. April 2012 um 14:04 geschrieben: [...] AFAIK startlazarus should end itself shortly after starting the IDE. Maybe you were too quick, maybe your virus scanner was still scanning startlazarus.exe. Hmm... OK, I did not know that. I will monitor if startlazarus end itself. Thanks. I was wrong. It does not stop itself. Maybe this can be changed. I think so. Thanks again. Marcos Douglas -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On 4/5/2012 07:59, Marcos Douglas wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 11:17 PM, waldo kittywkitt...@windstream.net wrote: On 4/4/2012 21:18, Marcos Douglas wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Mattias Gaertner wrote: make clean all is the clean way. It's recommended if I have an error, right? ummm... n... please see the lazbuild build IDE profiles thread... Sorry. I think I still didn't understand what advantages to use lazbuild instead of IDEBuild my bad, too... i was uncorrect saying no above... yes, make clean all is how you start from fresh and build all tools clean... i was trying to say no because make clean should already be run before svn up and so then make all is all that should be needed at that point... advantages? 1. perform all update tasks from command line 2. no need to perform steps manually at least those two... with what i've been doing, the goal has been to type updatelaz at the command line and then return some minutes later to find at least one shiny new lazarus.exe... with the current methods, there's four shiny new exe's with one chosen one being duplicated to the current lazarus.exe you want to run... We use make clean all, get a default IDE and recompile again using pcp param to restart all configurations, components, etc. But I have to compile twice. Am I right? yes, there is that but if make all is not used, the one must know and call all of the necessary make targets without the IDE one to get all the tools built... And lazbuild do this, i.e., build ALL tools, sources and IDE (of course)? i've not dug that deep into the multi-megabyte logs i've been generating but if memory serves, the tools are built with make all after svn up... i don't think they are built again after that... startlazarus might be but it should not be necessary... a quick peek at my (currently running) process shows that startlazarus is built when the default default lazarus.exe is built which is during make all... In 99,9% of all svn revisions it is enough to rebuild the IDE via the IDE. that's what my discussions in the lazbuild build IDE profiles thread are all about... why have to manually go into the IDE to build a new IDE after a svn update?? i start my updatelaz script which cleans the dirs, updates from svn, and then does the building of the tools and lazarus... now that things are working better, i can go have a cuppa' joe while everything does all its churning and burning... on this particular workstation, that's about 30 minutes or so... maybe more... maybe less... OK, I see at least one advantage to use lazbuild now: I can have ONE big script that clear, update and compile all sources and tools. yes :) but it need not be all that big... mine is currently 5kb plus a small kickstarter script for redirection capabilities but that's because it beautifies the redirection output with section headers and echoed command lines... strictly speaking, with no beautification or errorlevel checking, there's only three or four lines that do all the work plus one copy line... that give one default default exe and one personalized one... Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I don't see many other advantages. I don't update always -- I like to see what changed before update -- and the only difference between use the IDE instead lazbuild to compile is that the user have to run the IDE and click in Build -- and I can go have a cup of coffe -- and the lazbuild (working together with a big script) can be running with a single command. But you can change my mind. =) :) i, too, like to see what changed... this is why i always look at the svn up logs... however, i do not currently have any method in place to abort the script after doing svn up... at that point, make clean has already been run and the tools must be built new... of course, one can always run svn up manually and then later run the update script ;) OK. I compiled project ide/startlazarus.lpi and I got an error because the startlazarus.exe is running... of course. So, I started Lazarus without use startlazarus and I compiled again. Now I can see the splash updated. hummm... interesting... =) yeah, i hadn't see that before... my understanding was that it started lazarus.exe and exited meaning that it shouldn't have still been in memory... -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 4:45 AM, Mattias Gaertner nc-gaert...@netcologne.de wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 22:18:37 -0300 Marcos Douglas m...@delfire.net wrote: [cut] It's recommended if I have an error, right? Yes. We use make clean all, get a default IDE and recompile again using pcp param to restart all configurations, components, etc. But I have to compile twice. Am I right? Yes. Compiling once with the default settings and once with your settings helps if compiling fails. Just for record, a long time that I didn't need to run make clean all in Lazarus' sources. Today I tried the technique: 1- I got the sources from SVN /branches/fixes_1_0/ 2- Run make clean all 3- I opened the new lazarus.exe using PCP params 4- Build the IDE using the Build command on menu Worked perfectly. I new Lazarus (fixes_1_0/) started with all my configurations and components. That's amazing! Marcos Douglas -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On 4/5/2012 08:55, Mattias Gaertner wrote: Marcos Douglas m...@delfire.net hat am 5. April 2012 um 14:04 geschrieben: [...] AFAIK startlazarus should end itself shortly after starting the IDE. Maybe you were too quick, maybe your virus scanner was still scanning startlazarus.exe. Hmm... OK, I did not know that. I will monitor if startlazarus end itself. Thanks. I was wrong. It does not stop itself. Maybe this can be changed. ummm... as i understand it, startlazarus starts lazarus and then if lazarus compiles a new version of itself (tools-build lazarus with profile X) which has the option to restart after the compile finishes set to true, then startlazarus catches this and starts lazarus back up... if startlazarus is terminated after starting lazarus then this functionality will be lost... -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On 4/5/2012 11:01, Marcos Douglas wrote: Just for record, a long time that I didn't need to run make clean all in Lazarus' sources. Today I tried the technique: 1- I got the sources from SVN /branches/fixes_1_0/ 2- Run make clean all 3- I opened the new lazarus.exe using PCP params 4- Build the IDE using the Build command on menu Worked perfectly. I new Lazarus (fixes_1_0/) started with all my configurations and components. That's amazing! excellent! make clean should be run before svn up so that it cleans old ppu and .o and such out... the svn up may move things and with these old ones laying around, they will cause problems until manually removed... this was pointed out some months back in one of the numerous threads covering/touching this topic... BUT i note that your above appears to say that you started fresh with a new empty directory... in that case you are quite correct that make clean can't run because the files have not been downloaded yet... you could maybe do the following, though... 1- get the sources from SVN /branches/fixes_1_0/ 2- Run make clean all 3- lazbuild --build-ide= --build-mode= 4. copy lazarus.new.exe lazarus.exe(i don't know why lazbuild doesn't, yet) and then starting lazarus with your PCP parms should have you where you want to be... i think... i've not used PCP parms yet... but that is coming ;) -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:32 PM, waldo kitty wkitt...@windstream.net wrote: On 4/5/2012 11:01, Marcos Douglas wrote: Just for record, a long time that I didn't need to run make clean all in Lazarus' sources. Today I tried the technique: 1- I got the sources from SVN /branches/fixes_1_0/ 2- Run make clean all 3- I opened the new lazarus.exe using PCP params 4- Build the IDE using the Build command on menu Worked perfectly. I new Lazarus (fixes_1_0/) started with all my configurations and components. That's amazing! excellent! make clean should be run before svn up so that it cleans old ppu and .o and such out... the svn up may move things and with these old ones laying around, they will cause problems until manually removed... this was pointed out some months back in one of the numerous threads covering/touching this topic... BUT i note that your above appears to say that you started fresh with a new empty directory... in that case you are quite correct that make clean can't run because the files have not been downloaded yet... you could maybe do the following, though... 1- get the sources from SVN /branches/fixes_1_0/ 2- Run make clean all 3- lazbuild --build-ide= --build-mode= 4. copy lazarus.new.exe lazarus.exe (i don't know why lazbuild doesn't, yet) and then starting lazarus with your PCP parms should have you where you want to be... i think... i've not used PCP parms yet... but that is coming ;) In another words, if I used lazbuild I had compile just one time. Is that you mean? Marcos Douglas -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On 4/5/2012 12:53, Marcos Douglas wrote: On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:32 PM, waldo kittywkitt...@windstream.net wrote: BUT i note that your above appears to say that you started fresh with a new empty directory... in that case you are quite correct that make clean can't run because the files have not been downloaded yet... you could maybe do the following, though... 1- get the sources from SVN /branches/fixes_1_0/ 2- Run make clean all 3- lazbuild --build-ide= --build-mode= 4. copy lazarus.new.exe lazarus.exe(i don't know why lazbuild doesn't, yet) and then starting lazarus with your PCP parms should have you where you want to be... i think... i've not used PCP parms yet... but that is coming ;) In another words, if I used lazbuild I had compile just one time. Is that you mean? yes... to a point in which direction i'm strongly headed toward... 1. make all includes compiling a default default lazarus.exe... 2. this is one of the things i was speaking with mattias about... 3. one can easily make only needed targets... 4. one needs to keep up with the makefile development for new or removed targets in this area... an ignorant (meaning uneducated!) look at the Makefile in the lazarus root turns up the following on line 3910... all: lazbuild lcl ideintf components tools ide starter which i /think/ indicates that one could leave out the ide target like so... make lazbuild lcl ideintf components tools starter so a whole new svn install can go like this... 1- get the sources from SVN /branches/fixes_1_0/ 2- make lazbuild lcl ideintf components tools starter 3- lazbuild --build-ide= --build-mode= 4. copy lazarus.new.exe lazarus.exe(i don't know why lazbuild doesn't, yet) *OR* 1- get the sources from SVN /branches/fixes_1_0/ 2- make lazbuild 3- lazbuild --build-ide= --build-mode= 4. copy lazarus.new.exe lazarus.exe(i don't know why lazbuild doesn't, yet) whereas an update would be like so... 1- make clean 2- svn up 3- make lazbuild lcl ideintf components tools starter 4- lazbuild --build-ide= --build-mode= 5. copy lazarus.new.exe lazarus.exe(i don't know why lazbuild doesn't, yet) *OR* 1- make clean 2- svn up 3- make lazbuild 4- lazbuild --build-ide= --build-mode= 5. copy lazarus.new.exe lazarus.exe(i don't know why lazbuild doesn't, yet) i think that specifying all of the lazbuild lcl ideintf components tools starter targets is the safest way (based on what mattias has written to me) but again, this is based on (my) ignorance and what little i have been able to learn and piece together ;) i'm fixing to test at least how the update goes... i can't test a new install on this box without loosing what i have now due to space constraints :? sorry for possible rambling and disjointed text... i'm digging and researching while writing this... -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On 4/5/2012 14:54, waldo kitty wrote: On 4/5/2012 12:53, Marcos Douglas wrote: In another words, if I used lazbuild I had compile just one time. Is that you mean? [...] so a whole new svn install can go like this... 1- get the sources from SVN /branches/fixes_1_0/ 2- make lazbuild lcl ideintf components tools starter 3- lazbuild --build-ide= --build-mode= 4. copy lazarus.new.exe lazarus.exe (i don't know why lazbuild doesn't, yet) [trim] whereas an update would be like so... 1- make clean 2- svn up 3- make lazbuild lcl ideintf components tools starter 4- lazbuild --build-ide= --build-mode= 5. copy lazarus.new.exe lazarus.exe (i don't know why lazbuild doesn't, yet) yes! i can confirm that the update workflow (above) works without building a new ide first and then building another one with lazbuild... this definitely saves some time ;) i will assume that the new load from svn workflow (also above) works without building an ide and then another with lazbuild... i will try to incorporate this into my copy of the wiki instruction scripts and see how it goes... it is actually easier than i thought and i would never have gotten this far without the help and explanations from mattias and others who tossed in nuggets here and there... -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On 04/03/2012 03:31 PM, Mattias Gaertner wrote: What part of offline wiki do you want to help with? Those that I can be sure of being included in the online help by some automated mechanism. Here of course my theme would be Queued Mainthread Events, Threads-communication, and friends. -Michael -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On 04/04/2012 10:38 AM, Michael Schnell wrote: On 04/03/2012 03:31 PM, Mattias Gaertner wrote: What part of offline wiki do you want to help with? Those that I can be sure of being included in the online help by some automated mechanism. Grr. Of course I meant to write offline help. I was confused by your mentioning offline Wiki. What do you mean by this ? -Michael -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On 04/03/2012 04:26 PM, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: Or I am missing something? AFAIU, some parts of the online documentation can't be included in the offline help yet. (There should be help (at least) on the topics: Using the help system, IDE, FPC Language, RTL functions LCL functions.) To me the biggest problem is, that there is no automatic process (yet), and seemingly not even agreed upon, to create all these topics of the offline help - that have been updated by helpful contributors, and included into some svn by the powers - by means of an (at least partly) automated command. I really don't want to discuss this here (again), but I'd like to stay tuned in case the powers decide upon such a process. -Michael -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 10:38:13 +0200 Michael Schnell mschn...@lumino.de wrote: On 04/03/2012 03:31 PM, Mattias Gaertner wrote: What part of offline wiki do you want to help with? Those that I can be sure of being included in the online help by some automated mechanism. Here of course my theme would be Queued Mainthread Events, Threads-communication, and friends. All normal pages and images will be included in the offline wiki. Special pages, like help, random, category, user, user_talk will not be included. All translated pages will be included as well. Mattias -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 10:40:49 +0200 Michael Schnell mschn...@lumino.de wrote: On 04/04/2012 10:38 AM, Michael Schnell wrote: On 04/03/2012 03:31 PM, Mattias Gaertner wrote: What part of offline wiki do you want to help with? Those that I can be sure of being included in the online help by some automated mechanism. Grr. Of course I meant to write offline help. I was confused by your mentioning offline Wiki. What do you mean by this ? A snapshot of the wiki with a search. Mattias -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On 04/04/2012 11:02 AM, Mattias Gaertner wrote: All normal pages and images will be included in the offline wiki. Does this mean that the offline Wiki is the upcoming Offline Help ? Will it be possible to press F1 on a word and the appropriate offline Wiki page will be displayed ? (I understand that it is possible to create a help plugin for the Lazarus IDE that might be able to perform this task) -Michael -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
I'm sorry to mix in a discussion, but I wonder, whats the point of having an offline copy of the wiki by default? Why not simply a OpenURL(online-wiki-url); when the user presses F1? And in de menu help - help a simple form stating the help can only be viewed when there is a active internet connection. That simple form may also contain two links (Clickable labels) 1 being a link to the wiki and 2 being a link to the wikipage explaining how to download a copy of the help and modify your lazarus to use it. On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Michael Schnell mschn...@lumino.de wrote: On 04/04/2012 11:02 AM, Mattias Gaertner wrote: All normal pages and images will be included in the offline wiki. Does this mean that the offline Wiki is the upcoming Offline Help ? Will it be possible to press F1 on a word and the appropriate offline Wiki page will be displayed ? (I understand that it is possible to create a help plugin for the Lazarus IDE that might be able to perform this task) -Michael -- __**_ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.**freepascal.orgLazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.**freepascal.org/mailman/**listinfo/lazarushttp://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:09:27 +0200 Michael Schnell mschn...@lumino.de wrote: On 04/04/2012 11:02 AM, Mattias Gaertner wrote: All normal pages and images will be included in the offline wiki. Does this mean that the offline Wiki is the upcoming Offline Help ? No. The offline wiki is just the possibility to browse the wiki offline. Maybe it will eventually be integrated with the fpdoc help and some more helps. But without the basic offline wiki that's just a dream. Will it be possible to press F1 on a word and the appropriate offline Wiki page will be displayed ? (I understand that it is possible to create a help plugin for the Lazarus IDE that might be able to perform this task) There is no 1:1 mapping between word and wiki page. At the moment there are two searches for the offline wiki pages. Both have their pros and cons. Mattias -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 12:21:28 +0200 Rimmert Ooink laza...@ooink.net wrote: I'm sorry to mix in a discussion, but I wonder, whats the point of having an offline copy of the wiki by default? Why not simply a OpenURL(online-wiki-url); when the user presses F1? That's the current implementation. Some users do not have a 24/7 good internet connection. And in de menu help - help a simple form stating the help can only be viewed when there is a active internet connection. That simple form may also contain two links (Clickable labels) 1 being a link to the wiki and 2 being a link to the wikipage explaining how to download a copy of the help and modify your lazarus to use it. Yes, once the offline wiki is available some hints where to get it will be added. Mattias -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On 04/04/2012 11:26, Mattias Gaertner wrote: There is no 1:1 mapping between word and wiki page. At the moment there are two searches for the offline wiki pages. Both have their pros and cons. There are mappings between some IDE windows and wiki though -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
Martin laza...@mfriebe.de hat am 4. April 2012 um 13:43 geschrieben: On 04/04/2012 11:26, Mattias Gaertner wrote: There is no 1:1 mapping between word and wiki page. At the moment there are two searches for the offline wiki pages. Both have their pros and cons. There are mappings between some IDE windows and wiki though Yes. But he asked about F1 on a word, which I guess is about a word in the source editor. When the offline wiki works, I will check what needs to be done in the IDE to switch. Mattias -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 3:44 PM, zel...@holobit.net wrote: Hi all, As I've already mentioned few weeks ago on lazdevel, today we branched 1.0 :) branch is here: http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/branches/fixes_1_0/ wiki with revisions which have to be merged from trunk (also there will be links about other 1.0 stuff like changes etc): http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Lazarus_1.0_fixes_branch or http://wiki.freepascal.org/Lazarus_1.0_fixes_branch Current trunk version 0.9.31 is 1.1 as of r36507. 1.In next days snapshots will be versioned as 1.1 2.For testers: svn co http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/branches/fixes_1_0 lazarus 3.We are planning to release 1.0 in next 3 months, but before that we will relese 1..XX RC candidates - you'll be informed about it. Happy Lazarus 1.0 ! I updated my Lazarus today, from SVN trunk, and everything works. But the splash form shows the old version 0.9.31. However if I click in HelpAbout the info is correct (version 1.1). Lazarus 1.1 r36566 FPC 2.6.1 i386-win32-win32/win64 Marcos Douglas -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
Op 4 april 2012 22:50 heeft Marcos Douglas m...@delfire.net het volgende geschreven: On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 3:44 PM, zel...@holobit.net wrote: Hi all, As I've already mentioned few weeks ago on lazdevel, today we branched 1.0 :) branch is here: http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/branches/fixes_1_0/ wiki with revisions which have to be merged from trunk (also there will be links about other 1.0 stuff like changes etc): http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Lazarus_1.0_fixes_branch or http://wiki.freepascal.org/Lazarus_1.0_fixes_branch Current trunk version 0.9.31 is 1.1 as of r36507. 1.In next days snapshots will be versioned as 1.1 2.For testers: svn co http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/branches/fixes_1_0 lazarus 3.We are planning to release 1.0 in next 3 months, but before that we will relese 1..XX RC candidates - you'll be informed about it. Happy Lazarus 1.0 ! I updated my Lazarus today, from SVN trunk, and everything works. But the splash form shows the old version 0.9.31. However if I click in HelpAbout the info is correct (version 1.1). Lazarus 1.1 r36566 FPC 2.6.1 i386-win32-win32/win64 Did you recompile startlazarus? Vincent -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On 4/4/2012 16:50, Marcos Douglas wrote: I updated my Lazarus today, from SVN trunk, and everything works. But the splash form shows the old version 0.9.31. However if I click in HelpAbout the info is correct (version 1.1). Lazarus 1.1 r36566 FPC 2.6.1 i386-win32-win32/win64 i'm on 36559 and my splash shows 1.1 at the bottom... i start my lazarus via startlazarus... i'm pretty sure you've also seen my exchanges concerning compiling from the command line instead of svn update and then firing lazarus and compiling a new laz from in there? if so, we've learned (in the last months) that we should make clean before svn up... then make all (the easy way) to build all the new tools and such... then we can lazbuild blah blah to build the new lazarus... at least my lazbuild.exe and startlazarus.exe are built every time... -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Vincent Snijders vincent.snijd...@gmail.com wrote: Op 4 april 2012 22:50 heeft Marcos Douglas m...@delfire.net het volgende geschreven: On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 3:44 PM, zel...@holobit.net wrote: Hi all, As I've already mentioned few weeks ago on lazdevel, today we branched 1.0 :) branch is here: http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/branches/fixes_1_0/ wiki with revisions which have to be merged from trunk (also there will be links about other 1.0 stuff like changes etc): http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Lazarus_1.0_fixes_branch or http://wiki.freepascal.org/Lazarus_1.0_fixes_branch Current trunk version 0.9.31 is 1.1 as of r36507. 1.In next days snapshots will be versioned as 1.1 2.For testers: svn co http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/branches/fixes_1_0 lazarus 3.We are planning to release 1.0 in next 3 months, but before that we will relese 1..XX RC candidates - you'll be informed about it. Happy Lazarus 1.0 ! I updated my Lazarus today, from SVN trunk, and everything works. But the splash form shows the old version 0.9.31. However if I click in HelpAbout the info is correct (version 1.1). Lazarus 1.1 r36566 FPC 2.6.1 i386-win32-win32/win64 Did you recompile startlazarus? Vincent To recompile Lazarus I just use the IDE.. I thought the command Build All recompile everything. If not, how I recompile the startlazarus? Marcos Douglas -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:35 PM, waldo kitty wkitt...@windstream.net wrote: On 4/4/2012 16:50, Marcos Douglas wrote: I updated my Lazarus today, from SVN trunk, and everything works. But the splash form shows the old version 0.9.31. However if I click in HelpAbout the info is correct (version 1.1). Lazarus 1.1 r36566 FPC 2.6.1 i386-win32-win32/win64 i'm on 36559 and my splash shows 1.1 at the bottom... i start my lazarus via startlazarus... i'm pretty sure you've also seen my exchanges concerning compiling from the command line instead of svn update and then firing lazarus and compiling a new laz from in there? if so, we've learned (in the last months) that we should make clean before svn up... then make all (the easy way) to build all the new tools and such... then we can lazbuild blah blah to build the new lazarus... at least my lazbuild.exe and startlazarus.exe are built every time... I use scripts to compile the FPC but to Lazarus I only use the IDE. I can't use make all because all configuration, components, etc will gone. Marcos Douglas -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:34:50 -0300 Marcos Douglas m...@delfire.net wrote: [...] To recompile Lazarus I just use the IDE.. I thought the command Build All recompile everything. If not, how I recompile the startlazarus? Compile project ide/startlazarus.lpi. Or use make clean all. Mattias -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Mattias Gaertner nc-gaert...@netcologne.de wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:34:50 -0300 Marcos Douglas m...@delfire.net wrote: [...] To recompile Lazarus I just use the IDE.. I thought the command Build All recompile everything. If not, how I recompile the startlazarus? Compile project ide/startlazarus.lpi. Maybe the Build command, on IDE, would do this? Or use make clean all. As I said, I can't use make all because all configuration, components, etc will gone. Marcos Douglas -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:38:03 -0300 Marcos Douglas m...@delfire.net wrote: [...] I can't use make all because all configuration, components, etc will gone. No. Make does not delete/alter configurations. In fact it does not even know where your configuration is. That's why it can only build a default IDE or a default big IDE. When you start such a default IDE, it will read your configuration. If you use it to build a new IDE it will install your packages. Then you get a new IDE with your configuration and your components. Or you can use lazbuild to build an IDE with your components in a console. Mattias -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Mattias Gaertner nc-gaert...@netcologne.de wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:38:03 -0300 Marcos Douglas m...@delfire.net wrote: [...] I can't use make all because all configuration, components, etc will gone. No. Make does not delete/alter configurations. In fact it does not even know where your configuration is. That's why it can only build a default IDE or a default big IDE. When you start such a default IDE, it will read your configuration. If you use it to build a new IDE it will install your packages. Then you get a new IDE with your configuration and your components. Or you can use lazbuild to build an IDE with your components in a console. Sorry, I think I did not understand. You're saying I should use Make to build a default IDE at the first time. After that I should use the Build command (on IDE) or lazbuild tool to recompile with my own configurations and components? Marcos Douglas -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:59:08 -0300 Marcos Douglas m...@delfire.net wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Mattias Gaertner nc-gaert...@netcologne.de wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:38:03 -0300 Marcos Douglas m...@delfire.net wrote: [...] I can't use make all because all configuration, components, etc will gone. No. Make does not delete/alter configurations. In fact it does not even know where your configuration is. That's why it can only build a default IDE or a default big IDE. When you start such a default IDE, it will read your configuration. If you use it to build a new IDE it will install your packages. Then you get a new IDE with your configuration and your components. Or you can use lazbuild to build an IDE with your components in a console. Sorry, I think I did not understand. You're saying I should use Make to build a default IDE at the first time. After that I should use the Build command (on IDE) or lazbuild tool to recompile with my own configurations and components? make clean all is the clean way. In 99,9% of all svn revisions it is enough to rebuild the IDE via the IDE. Mattias -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On 4/4/2012 20:34, Marcos Douglas wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Vincent Snijders wrote: Did you recompile startlazarus? To recompile Lazarus I just use the IDE.. I thought the command Build All recompile everything. If not, how I recompile the startlazarus? as mattias and i have been discussing, the easiest way is make clean before svn up... then make all after that... then you can use lazbuild to build based on profiles (eg: debug ide, normal ide, optimized ide which are all defaults) and those would also include your own defined profiles just the same as in the IDE... provided that i've been following along and understanding... as such, i just reported a bug today wherein lazbuild still builds debug versions when it is not supposed to do so... i'm hoping this is fixed and working properly when laz v1.0 is released in another few months... my setup is based off of (your??) wiki instructions for total SVN starting of FPC and lazarus... i've been working on an updatelaz script (.bat file on winwhatever) which is now working for the basic needs... just to get the above mentioned bug fixed and life will be golden again :P ;) -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Mattias Gaertner nc-gaert...@netcologne.de wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:59:08 -0300 Marcos Douglas m...@delfire.net wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Mattias Gaertner nc-gaert...@netcologne.de wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:38:03 -0300 Marcos Douglas m...@delfire.net wrote: [...] I can't use make all because all configuration, components, etc will gone. No. Make does not delete/alter configurations. In fact it does not even know where your configuration is. That's why it can only build a default IDE or a default big IDE. When you start such a default IDE, it will read your configuration. If you use it to build a new IDE it will install your packages. Then you get a new IDE with your configuration and your components. Or you can use lazbuild to build an IDE with your components in a console. Sorry, I think I did not understand. You're saying I should use Make to build a default IDE at the first time. After that I should use the Build command (on IDE) or lazbuild tool to recompile with my own configurations and components? make clean all is the clean way. It's recommended if I have an error, right? We use make clean all, get a default IDE and recompile again using pcp param to restart all configurations, components, etc. But I have to compile twice. Am I right? In 99,9% of all svn revisions it is enough to rebuild the IDE via the IDE. OK. I compiled project ide/startlazarus.lpi and I got an error because the startlazarus.exe is running... of course. So, I started Lazarus without use startlazarus and I compiled again. Now I can see the splash updated. Marcos Douglas -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:17 PM, waldo kitty wkitt...@windstream.net wrote: On 4/4/2012 20:34, Marcos Douglas wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Vincent Snijders wrote: Did you recompile startlazarus? To recompile Lazarus I just use the IDE.. I thought the command Build All recompile everything. If not, how I recompile the startlazarus? as mattias and i have been discussing, the easiest way is make clean before svn up... then make all after that... then you can use lazbuild to build based on profiles (eg: debug ide, normal ide, optimized ide which are all defaults) and those would also include your own defined profiles just the same as in the IDE... provided that i've been following along and understanding... as such, i just reported a bug today wherein lazbuild still builds debug versions when it is not supposed to do so... i'm hoping this is fixed and working properly when laz v1.0 is released in another few months... For FPC I always use make distclean before update from SVN and then make [...] using my script. I never used lazbuild. The IDE can do this, why complicate? ;-) my setup is based off of (your??) wiki instructions for total SVN starting of FPC and lazarus... i've been working on an updatelaz script (.bat file on winwhatever) which is now working for the basic needs... just to get the above mentioned bug fixed and life will be golden again :P ;) Yes, I wrote the Installation instructions to use FPC and Lazarus from SVN to Win32. After someone improved the scripts. I have a new script that I improved to compile FPC (32 and 64 using cross) with some optionals parameters etc. But to Lazarus the IDE works very fine. Today I saw this little problem in the splash form... well, I can compile startlazarus some times, that is very simple too. Marcos Douglas -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On 4/4/2012 20:38, Marcos Douglas wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:35 PM, waldo kittywkitt...@windstream.net wrote: i'm pretty sure you've also seen my exchanges concerning compiling from the command line instead of svn update and then firing lazarus and compiling a new laz from in there? if so, we've learned (in the last months) that we should make clean before svn up... then make all (the easy way) to build all the new tools and such... then we can lazbuild blah blah to build the new lazarus... at least my lazbuild.exe and startlazarus.exe are built every time... I use scripts to compile the FPC but to Lazarus I only use the IDE. I can't use make all because all configuration, components, etc will gone. ummm... after that, as i wrote in my previous, you run lazbuild to build what you really want... make all is the cheap way out... it builds everything including a basic default default (yes) lazarus so that one can at least get up and running... lazbuild is supposed to then be able to build the same lazarus.exe as you do from in the IDE's Tools-build lazarus selection with the chosen profile... this is what mattias and i have been working on this last week in the lazbuild build IDE profiles thread ;) -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On 4/4/2012 20:53, Mattias Gaertner wrote: Or you can use lazbuild to build an IDE with your components in a console. +100~ that's what we're working on :) when i can keep off the side trips and stick to the main task :P -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On 4/4/2012 21:18, Marcos Douglas wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Mattias Gaertner wrote: make clean all is the clean way. It's recommended if I have an error, right? ummm... n... please see the lazbuild build IDE profiles thread... We use make clean all, get a default IDE and recompile again using pcp param to restart all configurations, components, etc. But I have to compile twice. Am I right? yes, there is that but if make all is not used, the one must know and call all of the necessary make targets without the IDE one to get all the tools built... In 99,9% of all svn revisions it is enough to rebuild the IDE via the IDE. that's what my discussions in the lazbuild build IDE profiles thread are all about... why have to manually go into the IDE to build a new IDE after a svn update?? i start my updatelaz script which cleans the dirs, updates from svn, and then does the building of the tools and lazarus... now that things are working better, i can go have a cuppa' joe while everything does all its churning and burning... on this particular workstation, that's about 30 minutes or so... maybe more... maybe less... OK. I compiled project ide/startlazarus.lpi and I got an error because the startlazarus.exe is running... of course. So, I started Lazarus without use startlazarus and I compiled again. Now I can see the splash updated. hummm... interesting... -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On 04/01/2012 08:44 PM, zel...@holobit.net wrote: http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Lazarus_1.0_fixes_branch http://wiki.freepascal.org/Lazarus_1.0_fixes_branch Sorry for being a PITA, but neither one of these nor http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Lazarus_0.99.0_release_notes seems to say anything about offline help / context sensitive help / offline Documentation (content and installing same). I have not the impression that this issue is on a level, that can be called 1.x (I.e. allowing for absolute beginners to easily get started without installing (Turbo-) Delphi just to view the help.) (Please ignore me if you think I am wrong.) Is there an updated wiki page documenting the road map for offline help / context sensitive help ? (I understand, the huge discussion on that issue broke up without a clear decision regarding that and I am not inclined to restart it, but I'd like to monitor the results on such a Wiki page. ) -Michael -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
Michael Schnell mschn...@lumino.de hat am 3. April 2012 um 12:03 geschrieben: On 04/01/2012 08:44 PM, zel...@holobit.net wrote: http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Lazarus_1.0_fixes_branch http://wiki.freepascal.org/Lazarus_1.0_fixes_branch Sorry for being a PITA, but neither one of these nor http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Lazarus_0.99.0_release_notes seems to say anything about offline help / context sensitive help / offline Documentation (content and installing same). Having an offline would be nice, but it is not a blocker for 1.0. As you know, the help consists of many different parts. There were many improvements compared to 0.9.30. All developers are busy with fixing bugs and at the moment no one is working on the offline help. If anyone that reads this wants to help with the help, just write a mail. I have not the impression that this issue is on a level, that can be called 1.x (I.e. allowing for absolute beginners to easily get started without installing (Turbo-) Delphi just to view the help.) (Please ignore me if you think I am wrong.) 1.0 is neither a commercial product, nor a version for absolute beginners. Is there an updated wiki page documenting the road map for offline help / context sensitive help ? (I understand, the huge discussion on that issue broke up without a clear decision regarding that and I am not inclined to restart it, but I'd like to monitor the results on such a Wiki page. ) What part of offline wiki do you want to help with? Yes, I know, you don't have time to help. But maybe others want to help. Mattias -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
2012/4/3 Mattias Gaertner nc-gaert...@netcologne.de: Having an offline would be nice, but it is not a blocker for 1.0. The way I understand it offline help for the RTL, FCL and LCL already works. LHelp shows when pressing F1. Surely there are some issues, and missing features, but that's different from not working at all. Or I am missing something? -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On 4/3/2012 16:01, Kostas Michalopoulos wrote: In any case, 1.0 is just a number. I disagree about the PR part, currently Lazarus is far from polished, but the world has seen worse. Delphi might had better documentation in its first releases but it wasn't as stable for example. agreed... plus we do not know how many years the v1.0 of delphi was in development... we might guess based on TP/BP stuffs but we still do not know for sure... it can easily be for more years than FP/Laz has been in development ;) -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
2012/4/1 zel...@holobit.net: Hi all, As I've already mentioned few weeks ago on lazdevel, today we branched 1.0 :) branch is here: http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/branches/fixes_1_0/ Great! :) Is it right that on about is reported version 0.9.31? Regards, Kjow -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
This needs a big press release! Carl On 2 April 2012 04:44, zel...@holobit.net wrote: Hi all, As I've already mentioned few weeks ago on lazdevel, today we branched 1.0 :) branch is here: http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/**lazarus/branches/fixes_1_0/http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/branches/fixes_1_0/ wiki with revisions which have to be merged from trunk (also there will be links about other 1.0 stuff like changes etc): http://wiki.lazarus.**freepascal.org/Lazarus_1.0_**fixes_branchhttp://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Lazarus_1.0_fixes_branch or http://wiki.freepascal.org/**Lazarus_1.0_fixes_branchhttp://wiki.freepascal.org/Lazarus_1.0_fixes_branch Current trunk version 0.9.31 is 1.1 as of r36507. 1.In next days snapshots will be versioned as 1.1 2.For testers: svn co http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/**lazarus/branches/fixes_1_0http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/branches/fixes_1_0lazarus 3.We are planning to release 1.0 in next 3 months, but before that we will relese 1..XX RC candidates - you'll be informed about it. Happy Lazarus 1.0 ! zeljko -- __**_ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.**freepascal.orgLazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.**freepascal.org/mailman/**listinfo/lazarushttp://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus -- Regards, Carl Kruck MetaWeb IT P - 07 4634 2223 M - 0449 15 65 80 W - www.metawebit.com Skype - metawebit Crossloop Tech Support - http://www.crossloop.com/MetaWebIT -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
Am 02.04.2012 11:03, schrieb Carl Kruck: This needs a big press release! And release parties! :) Michael -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Monday 02 of April 2012 10:58:57 Kjow wrote: 2012/4/1 zel...@holobit.net: Hi all, As I've already mentioned few weeks ago on lazdevel, today we branched 1.0 :) branch is here: http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/branches/fixes_1_0/ Great! :) Is it right that on about is reported version 0.9.31? Yes, will be changed soon. zeljko Regards, Kjow -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
zel...@holobit.net schrieb: Hi all, As I've already mentioned few weeks ago on lazdevel, today we branched 1.0 :) branch is here: http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/branches/fixes_1_0/ What's the update policy? I just updated examples/fpdocmanager, do I have to update the new branch, too? If so, what's the suggested procedure for updates that should go into both the branch(es) and trunk? Which FPC version is suggested/assumed for 1.x? wiki with revisions which have to be merged from trunk (also there will be links about other 1.0 stuff like changes etc): http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Lazarus_1.0_fixes_branch or http://wiki.freepascal.org/Lazarus_1.0_fixes_branch What's the difference (in content)? Current trunk version 0.9.31 is 1.1 as of r36507. 1.In next days snapshots will be versioned as 1.1 2.For testers: svn co http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/branches/fixes_1_0 lazarus 3.We are planning to release 1.0 in next 3 months, but before that we will relese 1..XX RC candidates - you'll be informed about it. Happy Lazarus 1.0 ! What's the future of dragging in 1.0? Will fixes (workarounds) be added to make the dockable IDE work? By conditional compilation, at least? DoDi -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On 2-4-2012 11:13, Michael Fuchs wrote: Am 02.04.2012 11:03, schrieb Carl Kruck: This needs a big press release! And release parties! :) Yes to both thanks to Zeljko (and undoubtedly the other developers). Very good decision to move to 1.0! Regards, Reinier -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
2012/4/1 zel...@holobit.net: Hi all, As I've already mentioned few weeks ago on lazdevel, today we branched 1.0 :) branch is here: http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/branches/fixes_1_0/ Everytime I open lazarus.exe with --pcp parameter I get the Welcome to Lazarus IDE windows to configure Lazarus/Compiler/FC sources paths. They are all OK and hitting Start IDE works without issues. It just starts with this popup. Regards, Kjow -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Monday 02 of April 2012 10:00:19 Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: zel...@holobit.net schrieb: Hi all, As I've already mentioned few weeks ago on lazdevel, today we branched 1.0 :) branch is here: http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/branches/fixes_1_0/ What's the update policy? I just updated examples/fpdocmanager, do I have to update the new branch, too? If so, what's the suggested procedure for updates that should go into both the branch(es) and trunk? No, just add which revisions need to be merged to fixes_1_0 here http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Lazarus_1.0_fixes_branch Which FPC version is suggested/assumed for 1.x? wiki with revisions which have to be merged from trunk (also there will be links about other 1.0 stuff like changes etc): http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Lazarus_1.0_fixes_branch or http://wiki.freepascal.org/Lazarus_1.0_fixes_branch What's the difference (in content)? no difference, both addresses point to the same page. Current trunk version 0.9.31 is 1.1 as of r36507. 1.In next days snapshots will be versioned as 1.1 2.For testers: svn co http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/branches/fixes_1_0 lazarus 3.We are planning to release 1.0 in next 3 months, but before that we will relese 1..XX RC candidates - you'll be informed about it. Happy Lazarus 1.0 ! What's the future of dragging in 1.0? Will fixes (workarounds) be added to make the dockable IDE work? By conditional compilation, at least? Don't know ... you should ask Paul or Mattias about it. zeljko -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Monday 02 of April 2012 12:33:12 Kjow wrote: 2012/4/1 zel...@holobit.net: Hi all, As I've already mentioned few weeks ago on lazdevel, today we branched 1.0 :) branch is here: http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/branches/fixes_1_0/ Everytime I open lazarus.exe with --pcp parameter I get the Welcome to Lazarus IDE windows to configure Lazarus/Compiler/FC sources paths. They are all OK and hitting Start IDE works without issues. It just starts with this popup. That's because of version change in trunk. ide/version.inc is important in this case. I'm using trunk and my devel version without --pcp and got that dialog when started lazarus from trunk directory, but it reads my devel dir version zeljko -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
02.04.12 19:54, zeljko wrote: Don't know ... you should ask Paul or Mattias about it. I think Paul has already clearly replied before. Best regards, Paul Ishenin -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
Paul Ishenin schrieb: 02.04.12 19:54, zeljko wrote: Don't know ... you should ask Paul or Mattias about it. I think Paul has already clearly replied before. Quoting yourself? But since nobody else replied, I assume that dragging is no more considered a supported feature of Lazarus. A reasonable decision, it leaves more freedom to the developers for adding unique new features, which make Lazarus more featured than Delphi :-] DoDi -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 05:12:47PM +0200, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: Don't know ... you should ask Paul or Mattias about it. I think Paul has already clearly replied before. Quoting yourself? But since nobody else replied, I assume that dragging is no more considered a supported feature of Lazarus. A reasonable decision, it leaves more freedom to the developers for adding unique new features, which make Lazarus more featured than Delphi :-] I can't remember that being in the original message. It was more something that there were multiple competing dragging implementations. -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
Marco van de Voort schrieb: On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 05:12:47PM +0200, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: Don't know ... you should ask Paul or Mattias about it. I think Paul has already clearly replied before. Quoting yourself? But since nobody else replied, I assume that dragging is no more considered a supported feature of Lazarus. A reasonable decision, it leaves more freedom to the developers for adding unique new features, which make Lazarus more featured than Delphi :-] I can't remember that being in the original message. It was more something that there were multiple competing dragging implementations. There exists only one DragManager, and it is too vulnerable against bad coding practices, as observed in the LCL and IDE. The absence of fundamental knowledge about drag-drop in all related discussions suggests to me that it can and will never be made work again. If not in an outstanding release like 1.0, when else? DoDi -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
Op 2 april 2012 20:18 heeft Hans-Peter Diettrich drdiettri...@aol.com het volgende geschreven: Marco van de Voort schrieb: discussions suggests to me that it can and will never be made work again. If not in an outstanding release like 1.0, when else? Finally a question about drag-drop I can answer. :-) In a more outstanding release like 1.2 or later. Vincent -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
Hello, Just an idea for 1.0 (Hopefully sooner than later...) One single formatting settings that are used by all code formatting related features. Now there are lot of settings that are basically all related into the Code formatting (How to write and or format code) And there should be live preview also (This should be quite feasible for 1.0). There are some things I am not able to do currently like aligning like this : var I: Integer; lSomeVariable : Integer; Also I would like to this kind of aligns to alight them self's into the nearest tabstop. Sometimes when formatter aligns something and it is not aligned to nearest tabstop it is ugly and difficult to indent the code into the preformatted one with tab key... Hope this is understandable text, I am still more than less in sleep :) -TP- -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0 is branched
On Sunday 01 of April 2012 23:25:39 Bart wrote: On 4/1/12, zel...@holobit.net zel...@holobit.net wrote: Hi all, As I've already mentioned few weeks ago on lazdevel, today we branched 1.0 :) Nice indeed. Whatever happened to 0.99, which as I understood would be the next (and last) stable before 1.0? Progress was nice last 2 months, so we decided to go in 1.0 direction. zeljko -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
