RE: difference between a pineapple pattern and a dimond pattern

2024-05-20 Thread M.W.Foscue
Bill,
Thank you.
Mac
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Subject: RE: difference between a pineapple pattern and a dimond pattern

Yea Mac it depends on the preference of the person doing the pattern I searched 
all through my legacy pics to find the different examples of each
One looks like a cut diamond shape all strait  and the other has the rounded 
pineapple look like the outside of one
Looking through all the old legacy videos they seem to always call the strait 
sided ones done with the V bit diamond 
and the ones with the rope bit pineapple and sone times they say rope or 
pineapple pattern but they are different when you look close
 
Bill
 
 
 
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 On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 6:07 PM
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Subject: Re: difference between a pineapple pattern and a dimond pattern


Bill,
 
Very nice of you to post that - much appreciated.
For some of the examples of the "diamond" carve it appears to be fairly close 
to the pineapple - and on the others you can definitely tell the difference.
 
Cheers
Mac



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Subject: difference between a pineapple pattern and a dimond pattern

A few days ago I was discussing different legacy spindle patterns with someone 
and the subject of diamond and pineapple patterns came up
And I was asked is there any difference well yes there is each one is milled 
with a different router bit and I dont think this has ever been 
addressed here before, the pineapple pattern is milled with rope molding router 
bits while the diamond pattern is milled with strait V groove router bits
Here is a sheet showing the difference.
 
 
Bill


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Re: difference between a pineapple pattern and a dimond pattern

2024-05-20 Thread M.W.Foscue
Bill,

Very nice of you to post that - much appreciated.
For some of the examples of the "diamond" carve it appears to be fairly close 
to the pineapple - and on the others you can definitely tell the difference.

Cheers
Mac
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From: 
Sent: May 20, 2024 3:56 AM
To: 
Subject: difference between a pineapple pattern and a dimond pattern

A few days ago I was discussing different legacy spindle patterns with someone 
and the subject of diamond and pineapple patterns came up
And I was asked is there any difference well yes there is each one is milled 
with a different router bit and I dont think this has ever been 
addressed here before, the pineapple pattern is milled with rope molding router 
bits while the diamond pattern is milled with strait V groove router bits
Here is a sheet showing the difference.
 
 
Bill


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Re: Why did you buy an ornamental mill?

2024-05-14 Thread M.W.Foscue
Hi Robert,

Welcome - thanks for your post.

Question re:  "
... received one with stand and router as a gift rusting in his backyard." How 
did that happen? Did some "Ornamental Mill Gnomes/Trolls" put it there one 
night?  Or did he buy the house and the Mill was left behind by previous 
owner?(I can't imagine a neighbor tossing one over the fence into his yard - 
but I guess anything is possible.)I hope you have given it an "indoor home" and 
are taking steps to clean it up and either use it or post its parts  
pieces here for sale.BTW - How'd the router fare - being left "rusting in the 
back yard"?   (Hoping that it was not left out in the elements!)Thanks again - 
looking forward to hearing  seeing more from you.  Please post some pics - 
of the before  after, if you have them.Mac-Original Message-
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Sent: May 14, 2024 1:28 PM
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Subject: Re: Why did you buy an ornamental mill?

an elementary school teacher received one with stand and router as a gift 
rusting in his backyard 
I worked at wood supply store and he asked if anyone want it for $300, i have 
never used it, but just for the metal parts it's worth more than 300 i think...
 
Great group I appreciate all these emails, even though I only read ~10% of it 
it's better than any other groups I've ever joined


On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 3:24 AM Timothy Krause mailto:artmarb...@comcast.net)> wrote:
Hello All,

I thought I would toss this question out to hear why you bought your 
ornamental mill. For me, I bought my first machine when I wanted to 
bring a different level of details to my current work. I was in a real 
niche market that I wanted to do some woodworking "tricks" that few 
people could figure out how they were made.

How about you?

-Tim

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Re: Why did you buy an ornamental mill?

2024-05-13 Thread M.W.Foscue
Mike,

GREAT story - thanks for sharing.
And - Thank you for your service to our nation!
We appreciate all that you contribute to The Group.

Thank you!
Mac
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Subject: Re: Why did you buy an ornamental mill?

It was the mid 90's and I was still in the Air Force and was working on the 
next stage in my life, retirement!  So that lasted a week and I was ready to 
get something started.  Woodworking was always a hobby for me so I was pretty 
well equipped.  After all, I had a Shop-smith! One day I was looking for a 
porch post that was too big for my lathe to handle and happened across a column 
and stair company downtown.  While I was waiting my turn, the customer ordered 
some balusters and also brought in a chair spindle to see if they could 
duplicate it.  The lady said no but I was standing behind the guy out of his 
sight shaking my head yes!  She said just a moment and took the spindle around 
the corner, I followed her and told her I could do that for her company.  She 
went back and told the guy yes and the relationship began before I ever said 
hello.  I noticed the balusters he purchased were pretty plain and asked Betty, 
after the customer was gone, if I added a rope pattern to the stock part, if 
she thought it would sell.  She said bring me one and we will see.  I ordered 
the Wood-Chuck that day and the rest is history.  I've watch the Legacy grow 
out of the Woodchuck as steel and then aluminum, then to CNC.  But I still hold 
on to the Woodchuck because of all the things I can do with it, you just can't 
with the Legacy red line.  My business was 80% based on the turning and roping 
and 20% on radius mill-work using the Woodchuck or the Williams and Hussy 
molder.  30 years was a great run and now, looking back, the greatest twist 
that ever came from the ornamental world was the friends I have made.  Some 
friends have passed on and others are immortal but fellow sawdust chewers and 
customers alike have a huge place in my heart.  I found a 
Customer-friend-student to pass on my twisted ways to. Doug said to me when we 
first started the possibility of him taking the business, that he loved to see 
a piece of lumber and visualize what was in there.  I knew right then that he 
was going to be a great fit!  I'm a lucky man to have had the opportunities I 
have had.  I guess my secret is this, when asked "Could you do this?" My 
response is always "Absolutely!  Then I figure out how and smile at what I got 
myself into.  Never second guess, just get started.  I love this group because 
I see a lot of the same attitude.  I'm proud of you all!  I am always here if 
anyone needs help.  And will always be a LiLtwisted.
Mike OK
Mike Pung 405-650-0542

On 5/12/2024 5:24 AM, Timothy Krause wrote:
Hello All, 

I thought I would toss this question out to hear why you bought your ornamental 
mill. For me, I bought my first machine when I wanted to bring a different 
level of details to my current work. I was in a real niche market that I wanted 
to do some woodworking "tricks" that few people could figure out how they were 
made. 

How about you? 

-Tim 



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RE: Roger's new work of Art

2024-03-29 Thread M.W.Foscue
Roger,

Like others have already expresed - you are a "Master of the Woods"!
Your table is absolutely STUNNING!

Will you fill us in with some info about it?
Like: 
How long did this take to make?
What are the various woods we see used in it?
What are the dimensions?
Lastly - what were the easiest; and the most challenging - parts of its 
creation?

Thank you for sharing.

Happy Easter!
Mac

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Subject: RE: Roger's new work of Art

Holy crap simply beautiful amazing work Roger 
 
Bill
 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 2:22 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Roger's new work of Art



Hello Everyone.

 

Roger (Ccm Ccm) made these table, He told me that he could not get the pix. 
size down enough to share with the Group.

 

I think this is a breath taking work of Art. and I feel everyone in the group. 
should see it.

 

Good job Roger!  

C.A.G.


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Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

2024-02-19 Thread M.W.Foscue
Very nice, Curtis.
It looks like a piece of ivory.

Thanks for sharing.
Mac
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Subject: Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

Hey Guys.
 
Unless there are some more people talking on this posting, I think I will let 
it drop for the time being.
Today I did another bone turning, that, Over all I am pretty happy with.
 
Bye the way, I counted all my Stainless steel templates that I made over the 
last two weeks, I have 14 templates. I was having so much fun, I forgot how 
many that I made. ;-) This bone turning was made form last 
Thursday's lunch time break, template. 
I roped the center part, and then fluted the two outside beads, and leaving the 
end beads just round.
As I said earlier, I am pretty happy with this one. "Yes" there are some small 
errors in the process but, Perhaps 
I am just to picky with my own work?
"O"Well, I'm having fun. ;-) Another one down, appx. 30 more blanks left to do 
before I run out of bone disks. 
 
Have a good night everyone.
 
C.A.G.
On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 09:50:10 PM EST, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:

 
 
Had the same problem today and yesterday. Tax time and boy its hectic. uffda. 
Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 4:16 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> wrote:





 
Thank you Bill
 
I got some time in the shop this afternoon. (between grocery shopping and 
laundry. I hate when LIFE get in the way of my wants. ) ;-)
 
More life stuff now.
talk to you more latter.
 
here are the pix.
C.A.G.

On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 05:10:38 PM EST, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:
 
Yes very nice video on template following that one an option of the legacy 
quite often overlooked
  
Bill 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> Sent: Monday, February 19, 
2024 3:45 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)Subject: Re: New hand made 
Stainless Steel templates

Hello Everyone.

I took these photo's out of a Wood Chuck training video, named Profile 
following. They show the template follower being used to make these 5 spindles, 
 The neat thing here is they only used one very simple wooden template to make 
all 5 spindles.

The template is just a general guide you can use it to make a copy of the 
original or use for the general profile to make something different. in the 
last photo you can see that all, are different but  share the same basic shape. 
By using different router bits, and cutting concepts (roping or fluting) the 
look can and will change.

The ribbon twist (second for the right in the last photo.) is the most 

dramatic, this cut was made from cutting form the side, using both a large 
straight fluted cutter, and using a LONG Pitch .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkGSMtixW1ct=2s  Bill made this video a 
few years back, showing the concept. 

  

Have a good day.

C.A.G.



On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 06:16:50 PM EST, Curt George 
mailto:curt.geo...@yahoo.com)> wrote: 

  

Hey Jeff,

using the template follower on the Legacy is not hard, but you will have to get 
use to cutting from the side of the work, to make the profiles.

Here are a few Legacy Photo's on this concept.

  

C.A.G.

  


On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 03:03:46 PM EST, Jeff Richmond 
mailto:jtrichmo...@gmail.com)> wrote: 

  

  

Yes, you gave a quick reply within another message but thanks Curt for taking 
the time to provide additional detail. I have not used my Legacy for template 
work but I hope to. 
  

Jeff from Connecticut 


On Feb 17, 2024, at 12:16 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> wrote:

Hello Jeff, I thought I replied to you, but after looking an this posting I can 
find the reply.  
Depending on which machine I am using.  both of my Legacy's use a ball bearing 
set ,1/2" as the follower.

My lathe uses different shaped followers depending on the cutter that I am 
using. 

As I see it the Lathe is for exact coping/fine details, where the Legacy is for 
just basic shapes. details can be

added with the Legacy, but those details are done with the router bits profile. 
so as long as my templates are true

to the spindle, they do not need to be beyond just basic shapes.

Note: having said that, I use both machine together on most of my projects.

  

At this time, I am using my 200 more then my 1000,  This is because of two 
reasons. First the 200 is made for smaller

turnings, I can cut/rope finer on my 200 then I can do on my 1000 ( note: not 
only size, but the 200 has a finer acme screw drive. 5/8-8 and the 

1000 has a 5/8-4 acmes screw.) But for larger turnings 1000 is the king of the 
shop. and for very large turnings the lathe is the master. 

(I can turn up to 8' on my lathe)  BUT having 

Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

2024-02-12 Thread M.W.Foscue
Curtis,

Would it not have been easier to use pieces of scrap 2x2 angle iron or a steel 
window lintel from a house being renovated?
You may be able to fined scrap steel at a local "Habitat for Humanity 
Re-store". (One of my favorite places to check out once or twice a month.)
I have never tried cutting stainless - but have tried to drill it - and that's 
a real bear!  Much easier to drill angle iron.

Mac
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Sent: Feb 12, 2024 2:32 PM
To: 'parr...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 

Subject: Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates
Hello Peter. 
 
Its been a while since we last talked.
 
The stainless steel for most of these templates are form an old kitchen sink 
that was being thrown away.
but stainless steel cabinets and or shelves are too always open for projects 
for me. when I can find
them. 
Take care.  (and keep in touch.) ;-)
 
C.A.G.
On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 01:06:33 PM EST, 'parr...@aol.com' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills  wrote:

 
Nice work CurtWhere did you source the stainless?
PeterSent from the all new AOL app for iOS 
(https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661)
 
On Monday, February 12, 2024, 12:44 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills  wrote:Hello  Everyone.
 
I had some free time today, so I made these templates for my Legacy, Only one 
has been tested so far, but I do think most of these should work well for my 
uses.
 
I can use these templates on All of my wood working equipment, both of my 
Legacy's as well the lathes I own.
 
Note: I see and use templates not as the final part of turning, but as a 
general guide for basic shaping of my spindles.
 
Making stainless steel templates is not all that hard, by using an abrasive 
cutting wheel, and some hand files + a wire wheel to remove any burs...  the 
process is pretty easy. (If anyone wants to know more, Please ask.)
Tomorrow I hope to be able to try some of these out on some of my bone turning.
Have a good night everyone.
 
C.A.G.












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Re: Bowl I turned

2024-02-07 Thread M.W.Foscue
Tim,

Very nice looking bowl.

Mac
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To: LOM Group 
Subject: Bowl I turned

Good morning,  
Not a LOM project, but could be. 
Here's a shallow bowl I turned on my Lathe.
Used all Easy Wood Tools Carbide insert tools. Species of wood I'll need to 
look up. 
Bought the blank from Cook Woods.
Softer light wood. Good safe wax finish.
 
Kind regards,
 
Tim J Ziegler



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Re: 5 tools

2024-01-26 Thread M.W.Foscue
Tim,
Very cool/inventive, yet simple devices.
Thanks for sharing.
Mac
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To: LOM Group 
Subject: 5 tools

Here is a great video I thought I would share.I was pretty impressed.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b78o-hAHqtM
Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler







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RE: Watch "Make Wood Threads with this Amazing Router Jig!" on YouTube

2024-01-24 Thread M.W.Foscue
Bill,

I get a "Security Risk" warning whenever I click on the second (smaller) 
video's link.
Won't take the chance - something shady must be going on (down)under the table 
- not you of course but, you are closer to Chinese hackers - so who knows!  LoL!

Thanks for sharing the video I did watch - again.   Always interesting to watch 
your videos.
Mac
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Sent: Jan 24, 2024 6:51 PM
To: 
Subject: RE: Watch "Make Wood Threads with this Amazing Router Jig!" on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_l3gTZLkOcab_channel=aussiman77181
 
not the best of videos it was a long time ago when I made these not even drive 
motors on my mill all hand cranking 
 
here is a smaller one made on my revo  
https://ornamentalmills.com/Bill_Bulkeley/bolts/index.html
 
Bill
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 10:56 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Watch "Make Wood Threads with this Amazing Router Jig!" on YouTube

Yes I totally agree, I was hoping you were going to show your Bolt and nut as I 
am not sure he saw it.

Kind Regards,


Timothy J. Ziegler

 On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 12:05 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:





Think I will stick to doing them with the legacy 
 
Bill






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Yankee Joe - Request for pics of "LOM-a-Zilla"

2024-01-23 Thread M.W.Foscue
Hey Joe,

Great to hear from you.
Since we seem to have picked up several more members to The Group - I doubt they
have had the pleasure of seeing your "LOM-a-Zilla".
If you don't mind - would you please post some pics of it?
(Ya'll are in for a T-R-E-A-T if he does!)

Thanks.
Mac
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To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Split nut tap

not important to this thread per se, but I was told years ago that a company in 
Westbury NY supplied the lead screws for the Legacy machines directly to the 
Legacy company... I went directly to them for the 16ft piece I needed for my 
Legacy length modification and had a somewhat lengthy conversation with the 
company's management... moot point now but relevant if anyone in the group 
needs a length of lead screw for their own modifications... strange thing about 
it was the fact that the company was about 1/8 mile from where I was living at 
the time... the mod gods were with me for that very much needed part!... 
LOL!... Joe B.

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RE: Oval jig testing

2024-01-16 Thread M.W.Foscue
But Tim,
Bill (in Australia) has that "Red Back Spider".  In Minnie-Soda ya'll have the 
"Red-neck Spider". 
Haven't heard much about it biting - so much as I have heard about it drinking 
a lot of beer!
LoL!
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Jan 17, 2024 12:46 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: Oval jig testing

Lol when your born into it its not that bad 
 
Bill
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 2:45 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

ugg I'll stay in MINNESOTA
Kind Regards,


Timothy J. Ziegler

 On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 2:22 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:




https://www.google.com.au/search?q=redback+spidersca_esv=598892895sxsrf=ACQVn09VnXEGV_HyeTN6lXAw7Kohu0BF3g%3A1705436199921ei=J-SmZcPkN7Po1e8PuqGj4Akgs_ssp=eJzj4tTP1TcwNi1LMzVg9OIrSk1JSkzOViguyExJLQIAa6IIhAoq=redbac+spidergs_lp=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gws-wiz-serp
 
these are the spiders we mostly get in the shop 
 
Bill
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com) 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 2:23 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

The Recluse is nothing to sneeze at either. I've heard horror storys about 
them. 
Kind Regards,


Timothy J. Ziegler

On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 8:19 AM cdkr...@gmail.com (mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com) 
mailto:cdkra...@gmail.com)> wrote:




What I'm curious about by mentioning different number of teeth on 

planetary and sun gears is the modularity of the rotations.  If they have

the same number, after one rotation the second rotation will travel

the same path.  If the number of teeth are different by as little as one,

methinks the path of the second rotation will be different than the first,

the third different than the second etc. until the number of rotations is

a multiple of the two gear tooth numbers.  Think Spirograph.  ???



Yes, it's nice to work in a shop where the greatest threat is my own

stupidity followed by recluse spiders.

DanK

On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 6:51:22 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:
Yeah pretty scary having to worry about that. 


Kind Regards,


Timothy J. Ziegler

 
On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 10:26 PM mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:






And we thought the danger in our shops were the machines lol
 
Bill
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com)> 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 2:37 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com (mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com)
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

Hey Guys.

 

No poisonous snakes or bugs any where around here Bill. ;-)

But on the flip side, the Cold can kill you as fast as any snake can.

the quote stating that , Discretion is the better part of valor is very true.

 

I too want this jig done and ready to show everyone. But I have to wait, 
perhaps next weekend?

I can only Hope and Pray. ;-)

 

C.A.G.

On Monday, January 1I can't take the suspense. lol 


Kind Regards,
 

Timothy J. Ziegler




 On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 6:17 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com)> 
wrote:

Most likely next weekend???

We will see.

 

C.A.G.

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 07:14:45 PM EST, mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au)> wrot 


 

Very nice curt a video showing it working will show all exactly what your 
explaining 

 
Bill
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com)> 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 7:16 AM
To: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com)>
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing
 
Woops.

part of this message did not show up...

 

Here is the hole message. (second try!)

 

Hello Everyone.

It's -5 outside today. (Thanks Tim, for sending Bill some cold air, it hit my 
area in its way to Auz. ) ;-p

Since my shop is un-heated, (I use a propane heater to heat the shop when I'm 
working, But today

its just to cold to go out there and try to heat the shop.)

 

This is a reply that I gave to a private e-mail Explaining what I was doing/ 
how this jig works. 

I think everyone will enjoy this info.

 


 

The Planetary gear system is the concept that I am using to make this jig work. 
 






 

 

The "Sun" Gear is pinned to the tables 

Web addresss question re: YouTube video about "Band saw blades"

2024-01-12 Thread M.W.Foscue
Can't hep but wonder: What is the difference between the two domains we see in 
the two hyperlinks?

https://youtu.be/
vs
https://www.youtube.com/

I know the first is a TLD out of Belgium and the second (.com) is probably a US 
based site.
Can anyone explain how they both take you to the same place?  I often see 
Youtube videos going to the Belgium site - possibly half of them.

-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Jan 12, 2024 11:41 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: band saw blades

https://youtu.be/MNQI-SGIdTI
is the simple link, give it a try

On 1/12/2024 9:08 AM, Ed Trevillian wrote:
Looks like the video was taken down...Ed Trevillian


On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 8:38 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNQI-SGIdTIab_channel=BandsawLife
 
found this today and I found it extremely interesting and Im thinking 
any of you with bandsaws will too.
 
Bill


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Re: clock

2024-01-10 Thread M.W.Foscue
Joe,

Thanks.
Great to hear from you.
You are spot-on re: Legacy and why they went the CNC route.

We wish you and your business a Prosperous year - to the point that you can 
retire in a year - and move to Jamaica (NOT Jamaica, NY - but the country) - 
where the weather is warm and their "beverages" are cold!  

Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Jan 10, 2024 9:36 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: clock

and thus, the reason why Legacy dropped the manual machines... let's remember 
Legacy's ideal market was/is to people who are doing commercial, billable 
woodworking... the hobbyist/amateur woodworking market was not going to get 
them where they wanted to go... although I would comment that the one thing you 
never see mentioned in any CNC demo video is how much time it takes to make the 
program... certainly quicker if you have computer skills(not me!... LOL!)... 
but the older machines do have a use for certain operations, even at a 
commercial level(me, for example) when doing low quantity furniture parts... 
and I might think that for a lot in this group, the challenges of using the 
manual machine is what it's all about... if it was possible to set up the work, 
hit a button, walk away and have lunch, come back later and the job was done, 
the work would not be as rewarding as when overcoming the challenges of using a 
manual machine... with all of that being said, I am somewhat glad I will be 
leaving the woodworking business in a few years(hopefully!) and won't have to 
butt heads with my (button pushing)competitors!... hope all enjoyed the 
holidays!... your lurking group member, Joe Biunno

On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 1:05:32 AM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
Yea I thought so too its filed away in my wow folder lol
 
Bill


 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 4:19 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: clock


 


I have to admit, that is one of the Best Legacy videos that I've seen in Very 
long time.




 

Thank you Bill.

 

Great find.

 

C.A.G.

 




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 wrote: 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r3F4RWDQ1Qab_channel=LegacyCNC
 
when I see how long the clock takes on the manual mill videos it sure makes me 
envious of the cnc 
 
Bill


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Re: Centering chuck?

2024-01-05 Thread M.W.Foscue
Tim Ziegler,

At one point there was discussion here regarding that. 
You were "tagged" as being referred to as either Tim Z or Tim 2 (take your 
pick) - since we all kind of agree Tim Krause in Oregon is Tim 1 or Tim K (take 
your pick).

Have a Blessed weekend, all ya'll - and stay warm. (Bill "D-U" excepted of 
course - as it's summer Down-Under).
Mac
-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: Centering chuck?

Please be more specific to the Tim you're talking too. I was confused till I 
scrolled down and saw it was Tim Woodard. 
I know we have at least 4 Tim's now so just for clarification reasons I guess.
Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell






On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 10:41 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
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Hello Tim
 
The Legacy (most modals) has a 1x8 thread on the headstock. 
The REVO, Modal 200 and some of the Wood Chuck machine did not have the same 
headstock. 
But the 900, 1000ex, 1500 and 1800. all had the 1x8 threaded headstock.
 
I hope this helps?
 
C.A.G.
 

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 10:56:04 AM EST, Tim Woodard 
mailto:twoodard...@gmail.com)> wrote:
 
 
I want to add a centering chuck on my LOM. what size arbor. center hole do I 
need, and what is everyone using.
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Re: Legacy for sale in Valparaiso, IN

2023-12-29 Thread M.W.Foscue
Appears to be back up on FB.  I don't do FB - but I was able to see the Mill 
and it opens with a video "tour running.
Looks to be a great machine/buy for someone.

Happy New Year to all of ya'll.
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Dec 29, 2023 7:00 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: Legacy for sale in Valparaiso, IN

Expired for me as well, hopefully someone from the group picked it up or maybe 
we will have a new member soon. 
Jeff from Connecticut Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 29, 2023, at 6:50 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:


John, that listing shows as "expired" on reaching it.  ???  I shouldn't be 
interested, so no worries.
DanK
 

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 12:24:32 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:
 
Looks like a GREAT Mill !
 
Ball bearing headstock, motor drive, router and turn/rotary table. Self 
standing with adjustable bed, + the mobility kit . 
And it looks like there are some extra goodies in the box. (perhaps horizontal 
vice or steady rest...?) 
 
This machine can do a lot!
 
C.A.G.
 

 


On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 11:43:25 PM EST, John Gonzo 
 wrote:
 
 



This one is In Batesville IN.
 

 
 
 
 
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/720684306615888/?ref=browse_tabreferral_code=marketplace_generalreferral_story_type=generaltracking=%7B%22qid%22%3A%22-2817927832422882671%22%2C%22mf_story_key%22%3A%227216088508255890697%22%2C%22commerce_rank_obj%22%3A%22%7B%5C%22target_id%5C%22%3A7216088508255890697%2C%5C%22target_type%5C%22%3A6%2C%5C%22primary_position%5C%22%3A133%2C%5C%22ranking_signature%5C%22%3A8500818345122445851%2C%5C%22commerce_channel%5C%22%3A501%2C%5C%22value%5C%22%3A4.1313255972815e-5%2C%5C%22upsell_type%5C%22%3A129%2C%5C%22candidate_retrieval_source_map%5C%22%3A%7B%5C%226665417240223478%5C%22%3A3016%7D%2C%5C%22grouping_info%5C%22%3Anull%7D%22%2C%22lightning_feed_qid%22%3A%22-2818171648996029038%22%2C%22lightning_feed_ranking_signature%22%3A%228500818345122445851%22%2C%22ftmd_400706%22%3A%2212l%22%7D

On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 2:12:06 PM UTC-8 Tim Ziegler wrote:
lol for sure.
Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell





On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 11:01 AM cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:

Now if it was an Evolution
DanK

On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:00:38 PM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
Good idea, Curt!  What a Z axis that would be.  Would make Tim the Toolman 
Taylor proud!
I am not tempted for several reasons.  It's out of my budget range, I don't 
have the space in
shop or van, and it's almost 5 hours away.  
DanK
On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:28:35 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:
 
Good morning everyone.
 
Tim, If  you put this Legacy on its end, the foot print will take less room in 
your shop. ;-p
 
C.A.G.
 

 


On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 07:39:09 AM EST, Jeff Richmond 
 wrote:
 
 



Nice machine. Too far for me. 
Tim, no more room in the shop? Time for a mezzanine, lol.
 
Jeff from Connecticut Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 13, 2023, at 6:55 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
Beautiful Machine, but even I would not have the space for that one. Yes 
reasonable price for what your getting. Surprisingly no Z access on that big of 
machine. Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell





On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 10:23 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1098212628229574/?ref=searchreferral_code=nullreferral_story_type=posttracking=browse_serp%3A23d64dae-4ecf-44a7-b657-dfd7
 Legacy Woodworking Machinery$1,500

Listed 14 weeks ago in Valparaiso, IN 
(https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/103719419666344/)This is NOT Cheap, but I 
think its a fair price, there is a lot there to like. One of the longest 
machine sold by Legacy.Motor drive, ball-bearing headstock, self standing/legs 
and adjustable bed. <1702441369932blob.jpg>




C.A.G.



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RE: Test post delete at will

2023-12-22 Thread M.W.Foscue
Bill,

So sorry to hear this.
You still have a couple days to shake that bug off and get better - in time for 
St Nick to pay you a visit - assuming he ventures that far south into the hot 
 humid clime; and that his reindeer are able to fly upside down again this 
time around! 

I heard that last year there were so many stops to make down there that they 
barely made it out of there without running out of energy to make it back home 
to the North Pole!
LoL!

In any case, I wish you - and all of our fellow LOM Group members a Very Merry 
Christmas and a Healthy, Prosperous, and Happy New Year!

Cheers to all!
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Dec 22, 2023 6:29 PM
To: 
Subject: RE: Test post delete at will

Yea just quiet and just my luck I been really busy doing last minuet Christmas 
stuff and now I have come down sick with a nasty bug that is going around, I 
think for the second time in my life Im going to be ill on Christmas day 
that is going to suck
 
Bill
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 On Behalf Of cdkr...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 2:28 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Test post delete at will

Is this group really quiet or am I still having a problem?

DanK


On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 5:11:13 PM UTC-5 Jeff Richmond wrote:

Got it.


Jeff from Connecticut 




On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:47 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com (mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com) 
mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com)> wrote:



Merry Christmas everyone.

This is a test post after a complete restart of everything because the site 
wouldn't take a post from me.  Tim Z was able to post the content on my behalf 
after I sent it to him.  Thank you, Tim.  

DanK








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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

2023-12-09 Thread M.W.Foscue
Curtis,
WOW!!  That is a REALLY COOL find!
Thank you for sharing it.
I sure wish that they had put it out here in the USA way back when!
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Dec 10, 2023 12:40 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   
 
Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first hand. 
Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never meant 
to be.
 
Let's hear what you all think?
 
C.A.G.


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Re: December's bones / Santa workshop.

2023-12-06 Thread M.W.Foscue
Curtis,
I like the various colors you have in the "looking glass" photo - gives it a 
nostalgic (vintage) look.
Mac
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From: 
Sent: Dec 7, 2023 12:10 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: December's bones / Santa workshop.

HI guys.
 
Bill Back bone of the group?  That is Funny! ;-)
 
Dan.  I got/understand your tip, and do thank you for the suggestions.
 
Mac.  I tend to agree with you. I like beefier my self.
 
Bill and Tim. dye the bones??? I'm not sure that I want to do that? although I 
did
do something like that a while back, skin and bone with buffalos horn to blend 
it all together.
Here are a few pic. of them.
The first is skin and bone, the other is mostly leather with some bone and horn 
in it.
the third is all  leather. and the fourth is bone with leather .
I have a few others, but I think I should stop there. ;-)
 
Have a good night everyone.
talk to you all more tomorrow.
 
C.A.G.
On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 07:38:38 PM EST, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:

 
That would be cool. Try some dye?
On Wed, Dec 6, 2023, 5:02 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:
Curt have you ever considered colouring the bone different colours I know it 
might not be for everyone and I dont know how deep dye would penetrate 
the bone but some people might like really bright colours especially around 
Christmas time just a thought Im not sure if a asked you this before or 
not
 
Bill
 
 From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> Sent: Thursday, December 7, 
2023 2:14 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)Subject: Re: December's bones 
/ Santa workshop.
 
Good morning everyone.

Thank you Tim.

 

Back to work I go today. 

I hope this next weekend, I will be able to do a number of bone blank

glue up's . I have a LOT of disks cut, but sadly I have all but depleted

my glued up blanks for turning.

The next step that I need to do is color matching process of the bones.

I need to lay the disks out and sort all of the disks, making piles of bone 

disks that are all the same color. Somethings this process is not easy, do

to the slightly different colors of white.  

Having soaked all the bone in Hydrogen peroxide makes everything more 

uniformed, but there can be still some color in the disks.

I find my matching the disks keeps everything uniformed, and even if there is

some color, if everything looks the same, it all fits nicely together .

Perhaps this process is not 100% nessasary to do, Sometimes a random colored

bone handle also looks good.  But for me, uniformity of color is one of my pet 
peeves.

We will see what happens on the next batch of blanks. ;-)

Then back to the design quest, trying to find new ideas and different looks, 
for the same

things. ;-)

 

In this photo's , the roped has some brown and a tint of red in it.

in the wave there is a tint of brown and some gray. None of this really matters 
at a distance, but up close it can be seen.

That's it for now.

have a great day.

C.A.G. 

 

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 07:13:53 AM EST, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com)> wrote: 


 

 For sure Curt, I just admire that you keep creating and making new designs. 
That just goes to show 

a creative mind you have, and an inspiration for us as well. Hoping after the 
Christmas rush I get more time 

to play as well. Keep the gears turning Curt. I appreciate all you contribute 
to our group. 


Kind Regards,
 

Timothy J. Ziegler




 On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 10:06 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> wrote:


Thanks Tim

 

Sometimes its hard to figure what will look best for shape and design. Some 
designs come work fine, but just don't look right.  I guess it true, beauty is 
in the eye of the beholder.

 

I will keep working at it, trying to fully understand and learn what we call 
the learning curve. ;-)

 

Have a good night.

 

C.A.G.

 On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 10:45:39 PM EST, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com)> wrote: 


 

 Very nice Curt. I really like the spirals the best. Both are very good.


Kind Regards,
 

Timothy J. Ziegler




 


 
On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 7:15 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> wrote:

I too voted for you Bill.

 

Had a few more min. today. So this is the last bone turning for the weekend. (I 
had a long weekend. burning up my annual leave.)(Sun, Mon  today/Tuesday.) 
 

The rope is a 10 start at a 1/8" spacing on a 6" pitch. 

with the wave everything is the same as the rope. but indexed 10 times with a 
1/8 off-set.

 

C.A.G.

 On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 05:06:19 PM EST, M.W.Foscue 
mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net)> wrote: 


 

 Bill,

I voted - yours being my #1 and #2.
Best of luck to ya. 
I saw where there w

Re: December's bones / Santa workshop.

2023-12-06 Thread M.W.Foscue
My favorite is the one in the near row - 3rd from the right.
Second favorite is back row - 2nd from left.
Both have "beefier" look to them
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Dec 6, 2023 10:16 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: December's bones / Santa workshop.

Good morning everyone.
Thank you Tim.
 
Back to work I go today. 
I hope this next weekend, I will be able to do a number of bone blank
glue up's . I have a LOT of disks cut, but sadly I have all but depleted
my glued up blanks for turning.
The next step that I need to do is color matching process of the bones.
I need to lay the disks out and sort all of the disks, making piles of bone 
disks that are all the same color. Somethings this process is not easy, do
to the slightly different colors of white.  
Having soaked all the bone in Hydrogen peroxide makes everything more 
uniformed, but there can be still some color in the disks.
I find my matching the disks keeps everything uniformed, and even if there is
some color, if everything looks the same, it all fits nicely together .
Perhaps this process is not 100% nessasary to do, Sometimes a random colored
bone handle also looks good.  But for me, uniformity of color is one of my pet 
peeves.
We will see what happens on the next batch of blanks. ;-)
Then back to the design quest, trying to find new ideas and different looks, 
for the same
things. ;-)
 
In this photo's , the roped has some brown and a tint of red in it.
in the wave there is a tint of brown and some gray. None of this really matters 
at a distance, but up close it can be seen.
That's it for now.
have a great day.
C.A.G.
On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 07:13:53 AM EST, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:

 
For sure Curt, I just admire that you keep creating and making new designs. 
That just goes to show a creative mind you have, and an inspiration for us as 
well. Hoping after the Christmas rush I get more time 
to play as well. Keep the gears turning Curt. I appreciate all you contribute 
to our group. 
Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler



On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 10:06 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> wrote:

 
Thanks Tim
 
Sometimes its hard to figure what will look best for shape and design. Some 
designs come work fine, but just don't look right.  I guess it true, beauty is 
in the eye of the beholder.
 
I will keep working at it, trying to fully understand and learn what we call 
the learning curve. ;-)
 
Have a good night.
 
C.A.G.
On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 10:45:39 PM EST, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com)> wrote:

 
Very nice Curt. I really like the spirals the best. Both are very good.Kind 
Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler





On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 7:15 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> wrote: 
I too voted for you Bill.
 
Had a few more min. today. So this is the last bone turning for the weekend. (I 
had a long weekend. burning up my annual leave.)(Sun, Mon  today/Tuesday.) 
 
The rope is a 10 start at a 1/8" spacing on a 6" pitch. 
with the wave everything is the same as the rope. but indexed 10 times with a 
1/8 off-set.
 
C.A.G.
On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 05:06:19 PM EST, M.W.Foscue 
mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net)> wrote:

Bill,
I voted - yours being my #1 and #2.
Best of luck to ya. 
I saw where there were about 4 people that entered that live w/in 10 miles of 
our son in NC.
Mac

-Original Message-From: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>Sent: Dec 5, 2023 9:35 AMTo: 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>Subject: RE: December's bones 
/ Santa workshop.

Thank you
 
Bill
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com) 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> On Behalf Of Tim 
ZieglerSent: Tuesday, December 5, 2023 11:04 PMTo: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)Subject: Re: December's bones 
/ Santa workshop.

Consider it done my Friend.

Kind Regards,


Timothy J. Ziegler




On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 10:04 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:


No problem thanks curt funny thing I was chasing up oval turning chucks 
yesterday and it lead me to their sight which I joined I might go look and see.
 
Oh also you and  anyone in the group if you liked my Christmas arches please go 
here https://www.aswoodturns.com/challenges/2023-ornament-challenge/
 
Scroll down to the link and vote for me numbers 152 and 151 who knows I might 
get lucky this year it would be a first lol
 
Bill
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 
2023 1:13 PMTo: Legacy ornamental mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>Subject: December's bones / 
Santa workshop.

Hello Everyone.

I am gett

Re: December's bones / Santa workshop.

2023-12-06 Thread M.W.Foscue
Curtis,
I agree - I'd be sorting them by their various levels of white as well.  I'd 
want them either all the same (as close as possible) or I'd entertain 
alternating ones that are significantly different - one disk light next to a 
darker one - next to another light one, etc.
Thanks for sharing.
Mac
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From: 
Sent: Dec 6, 2023 10:16 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: December's bones / Santa workshop.

 
Good morning everyone.
Thank you Tim.
 
Back to work I go today. 
I hope this next weekend, I will be able to do a number of bone blank
glue up's . I have a LOT of disks cut, but sadly I have all but depleted
my glued up blanks for turning.
The next step that I need to do is color matching process of the bones.
I need to lay the disks out and sort all of the disks, making piles of bone 
disks that are all the same color. Somethings this process is not easy, do
to the slightly different colors of white.  
Having soaked all the bone in Hydrogen peroxide makes everything more 
uniformed, but there can be still some color in the disks.
I find my matching the disks keeps everything uniformed, and even if there is
some color, if everything looks the same, it all fits nicely together .
Perhaps this process is not 100% nessasary to do, Sometimes a random colored
bone handle also looks good.  But for me, uniformity of color is one of my pet 
peeves.
We will see what happens on the next batch of blanks. ;-)
Then back to the design quest, trying to find new ideas and different looks, 
for the same
things. ;-)
 
In this photo's , the roped has some brown and a tint of red in it.
in the wave there is a tint of brown and some gray. None of this really matters 
at a distance, but up close it can be seen.
That's it for now.
have a great day.
C.A.G. 
 
 

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 07:13:53 AM EST, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:
 
 
For sure Curt, I just admire that you keep creating and making new designs. 
That just goes to show a creative mind you have, and an inspiration for us as 
well. Hoping after the Christmas rush I get more time 
to play as well. Keep the gears turning Curt. I appreciate all you contribute 
to our group. 
Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell





On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 10:06 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> wrote:
 
Thanks Tim
 
Sometimes its hard to figure what will look best for shape and design. Some 
designs come work fine, but just don't look right.  I guess it true, beauty is 
in the eye of the beholder.
 
I will keep working at it, trying to fully understand and learn what we call 
the learning curve. ;-)
 
Have a good night.
 
C.A.G.
 

On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 10:45:39 PM EST, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com)> wrote:
 
 
Very nice Curt. I really like the spirals the best. Both are very good.Kind 
Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell





On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 7:15 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> wrote:
 
I too voted for you Bill.
 
Had a few more min. today. So this is the last bone turning for the weekend. (I 
had a long weekend. burning up my annual leave.)(Sun, Mon  today/Tuesday.) 
 
The rope is a 10 start at a 1/8" spacing on a 6" pitch. 
with the wave everything is the same as the rope. but indexed 10 times with a 
1/8 off-set.
 
C.A.G.
 

On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 05:06:19 PM EST, M.W.Foscue 
mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net)> wrote:
 
 
Bill,
I voted - yours being my #1 and #2.
Best of luck to ya. 
I saw where there were about 4 people that entered that live w/in 10 miles of 
our son in NC.
Mac

-Original Message-From: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>Sent: Dec 5, 2023 9:35 AMTo: 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>Subject: RE: December's bones 
/ Santa workshop.

Thank you
 
Bill
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com) 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> On Behalf Of Tim 
ZieglerSent: Tuesday, December 5, 2023 11:04 PMTo: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)Subject: Re: December's bones 
/ Santa workshop.

Consider it done my Friend.

Kind Regards,


Timothy J. Ziegler




On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 10:04 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:


No problem thanks curt funny thing I was chasing up oval turning chucks 
yesterday and it lead me to their sight which I joined I might go look and see.
 
Oh also you and  anyone in the group if you liked my Christmas arches please go 
here https://www.aswoodturns.com/challenges/2023-ornament-challenge/
 
Scrol

RE: December's bones / Santa workshop.

2023-12-05 Thread M.W.Foscue
Bill,
I voted - yours being my #1 and #2.
Best of luck to ya. 
I saw where there were about 4 people that entered that live w/in 10 miles of 
our son in NC.
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Dec 5, 2023 9:35 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: December's bones / Santa workshop.

Thank you
 
Bill
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2023 11:04 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: December's bones / Santa workshop.

Consider it done my Friend.

Kind Regards,


Timothy J. Ziegler




On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 10:04 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:


No problem thanks curt funny thing I was chasing up oval turning chucks 
yesterday and it lead me to their sight which I joined I might go look and see.
 
Oh also you and  anyone in the group if you liked my Christmas arches please go 
here https://www.aswoodturns.com/challenges/2023-ornament-challenge/
 
Scroll down to the link and vote for me numbers 152 and 151 who knows I might 
get lucky this year it would be a first lol
 
Bill
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> 
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2023 1:13 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Subject: December's bones / Santa workshop.

Hello Everyone.

I am getting ready for Christmas, Santa's workshop is going into over drive. 
;-) Here are a few new handles that I just finished turning.

 

Any question or comments are, as always I am open to hear what you all think? 

Have a good night.

 

C.A.G.

 

P.S. Bill.

I posted a few of your videos to the AAW (American Association of Woodturners.

Hopefully you will find some more people Subscribing  to your your tube channel.









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RE: laser pointer

2023-11-27 Thread M.W.Foscue
I find any of the watch/button battery-powered devices to be the very ones I 
avoid!  For the very reason you mentioned - as well as those batteries are not 
always readily available.  I have experienced the watch/button battery powered 
Tilt Box/Angle Boxes, various DRO devices on planers, drill presses, etc. - and 
have yet been super pleased with them.
My Favorites will be ones w/a built-in USB cable rechargeable battery.  Second 
choice is double or triple A battery.

Mac
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From: 
Sent: Nov 27, 2023 6:14 PM
To: 
Subject: RE: laser pointer

I have had a bit of a look and they all look to be powered by button 
batterys so far which go flat too quick
 
Bill
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2023 8:52 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: laser pointer

I'm sure pretty much any online Gun shop should have that information?

Kind Regards,
Tim
 On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 3:15 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:




Thats a good idea if I can find one that is powered by a AAA battery it 
might just work
 
Bill
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com) 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> On Behalf Of Bob Mark
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2023 7:35 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
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Subject: Re: laser pointer

Bill
How about a laser bore sight for a firearm. I have been thinking about mounting 
one. Some go down the barrel could be easy to fabricate. 
Sent from Bob's iPhone

On Nov 26, 2023, at 9:09 PM, Rick Hutley mailto:rghut...@gmail.com)> wrote:





Not sure if this one would suit your needs Bill:  

OLIGHT O'Pen ProOn Amazon. Expensive for a laser pen ($55 US) but it is 
rechargeable and does have an on/off switch

Rick

On Nov 26, 2023, at 21:56, bulke...@mmnet.com.au (mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au) 
wrote:






Thanks curt but nothing there suitable 
 
Bill
 From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> 
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2023 3:51 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)
Subject: Re: laser pointer

Bill Amazon has a number of different pen stile laser pointers.

https://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Demonstrator-Construction-Demonstration-Instruction/dp/B0B94DVX3D/ref=sr_1_42?keywords=pen+laser+pointerqid=1701060470sr=8-42
  Here is one that look like will fit the bill. (excuse the pun.) ;-)

 

C.A.G.

 On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 11:39:32 PM EST, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
(mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au) mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote: 


 

 I need some help guys Im looking for a laser pointer to put on one of 
my tools it needs to be about the dia Of a pen, runs on one AAA battery that 
you put inside it and you push a button once to turn it on then push once again 
to turn  it off

 
Do you think I can find one that meets this criteria all the ones here you have 
to hold the button to keep it working which is no good
When you need 2 hands to work the machine or it runs on button batteries or it 
has internal recharging or it is so powerful it would burn 
A hole in the moon and is the size of a fly spray can. Lol
 
So please if anyone can help me find one please show me where I can buy it from
 
Bill















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Shopsmith PowerPro Headstock - good info

2023-11-22 Thread M.W.Foscue
For any Group member that owns a Shopsmith (and a lot of us do) - this is Great 
info about their latest headstock upgrade.
In a post earlier last night, I mentioned the "new" Touchscreen Control Panel 
they came out with a few months ago.

Here's a link to all the info you may want to be aware of:   SS PowerPro 
Touchscreen Headstock (https://www.shopsmith.com/powerprogen2/)

Jeff - for sure you ought to look it over - as it will most likely now meet 
your needs.

Happy Thanksgiving!
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Nov 22, 2023 11:11 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Bone turning Nov

Good stuffKind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell






On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 9:19 PM M.W.Foscue mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net)> wrote:
Jeff,

For "Speed Range" on your Shopsmith - check out the relatively "new" PowerPro 
Headstock and perhaps even the Touch Screen control pad they came out with 
earlier this year.  Both versions are a significant improvement over the 
previous belt-driven headstocks.  Additionally they both will run on 120v or 
220v - with you only needing to swap out the plug; the electronics make the 
adjustment internally.  And when you go the 220v route - you supposedly get a 
full 2HP!  Sooo - you will get both speed and power improvements.

Let us know which route you go - the original PowerPro Conversion or the most 
recent TouchScreen PowerPro.

Mac

-Original Message-
From: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Sent: Nov 22, 2023 6:09 PM
To: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Subject: Re: Bone turning Nov

Same request if you were willing. 
I do have a couple shopsmiths but have been looking for a used super shop for 
the extra capability. ( speed range and strength ) 
 
Cutting nested bowls is also of an interest as those jigs can get quite pricey. 
( woodcut, Oneway, etc) 
 
It would be neat to see what you come up with. 
 
Jeff from ConnecticutOn Nov 22, 2023, at 4:43 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
(mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au) wrote:That sounds extraordinarily interesting 
Dan please post me an email or 2 from time to time as you do it I would like to 
see what you come up with
bulke...@mmnet.com.au (mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au) 
 
Bill
 From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com) 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> On Behalf Of 
cdkr...@gmail.com (mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com)
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2023 2:03 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Subject: Re: Bone turning Nov

You may not be hearing from me for a bit because I'm working on building some

long sought after lathe jigs.  In another kind of serendipity, I have dreamed 
up a

design unique to Supershops for a jig that will turn accurate spheres and 
hollows

 and cut nested bowls from a blank. It's a metal working challenge outside the

scope of this forum. 

Later

DanK

On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 9:57:53 AM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com 
(mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com) wrote:
Good to hear about your healing, Bill.  I think the bone turnings Curt has done

look fine.  I tend to prefer smaller checkering diamonds on things, but it's

purely a preference thing.  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and most

beholders appreciate the thought and touch of a master more than the

"correctness" of design, which tends to be a ghostly holy grail.



Happy Thanksgiving to all. I'm grateful to have become acquainted

with at least some of this group.

DanK

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 10:38:56 PM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:
Glad to hear your feeling better Bill. 


Kind Regards,
Timothy J. Ziegler

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 12:30 AM mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:




Me too guys I dont think I will be back in the shop till after Christmas 
the way Im going so 
So busy right now catching up my leg is finally healing properly now so 
Im up and around again
 
Bill
From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com (mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com) 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com)> On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2023 2:07 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com (mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com)
Subject: Re: Bone turning Nov

Hey Curt,


They still look pretty cool though. I agree the diamond pattern is slightly 
large for the handle

but still looks great. Keep the inspiration going Curt. 

I did put my rotary table on my Revo last night so my heart is in the right 
place. We are

just busy with pre-christmas orders. so my play time is very limited.


Kind Regards,
Timothy J. Ziegler






On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 4:44 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
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wrote:

Hello Everyone.

Started working with bone again today. 

I mad

Re: Bone turning Nov

2023-11-22 Thread M.W.Foscue
Jeff,

For "Speed Range" on your Shopsmith - check out the relatively "new" PowerPro 
Headstock and perhaps even the Touch Screen control pad they came out with 
earlier this year.  Both versions are a significant improvement over the 
previous belt-driven headstocks.  Additionally they both will run on 120v or 
220v - with you only needing to swap out the plug; the electronics make the 
adjustment internally.  And when you go the 220v route - you supposedly get a 
full 2HP!  Sooo - you will get both speed and power improvements.

Let us know which route you go - the original PowerPro Conversion or the most 
recent TouchScreen PowerPro.

Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Nov 22, 2023 6:09 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Bone turning Nov

Same request if you were willing. 
I do have a couple shopsmiths but have been looking for a used super shop for 
the extra capability. ( speed range and strength ) 
 
Cutting nested bowls is also of an interest as those jigs can get quite pricey. 
( woodcut, Oneway, etc) 
 
It would be neat to see what you come up with. 
 
Jeff from ConnecticutOn Nov 22, 2023, at 4:43 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
wrote:That sounds extraordinarily interesting Dan please post me an email or 2 
from time to time as you do it I would like to see what you come up with
bulke...@mmnet.com.au (mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au) 
 
Bill
 From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of cdkr...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2023 2:03 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Bone turning Nov

You may not be hearing from me for a bit because I'm working on building some

long sought after lathe jigs.  In another kind of serendipity, I have dreamed 
up a

design unique to Supershops for a jig that will turn accurate spheres and 
hollows

 and cut nested bowls from a blank. It's a metal working challenge outside the

scope of this forum. 

Later

DanK

On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 9:57:53 AM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com 
(mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com) wrote:
Good to hear about your healing, Bill.  I think the bone turnings Curt has done

look fine.  I tend to prefer smaller checkering diamonds on things, but it's

purely a preference thing.  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and most

beholders appreciate the thought and touch of a master more than the

"correctness" of design, which tends to be a ghostly holy grail.



Happy Thanksgiving to all. I'm grateful to have become acquainted

with at least some of this group.

DanK

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 10:38:56 PM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:
Glad to hear your feeling better Bill. 


Kind Regards,
Timothy J. Ziegler

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 12:30 AM mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:




Me too guys I dont think I will be back in the shop till after Christmas 
the way Im going so 
So busy right now catching up my leg is finally healing properly now so 
Im up and around again
 
Bill
From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com (mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com) 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com)> On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2023 2:07 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com (mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com)
Subject: Re: Bone turning Nov

Hey Curt,


They still look pretty cool though. I agree the diamond pattern is slightly 
large for the handle

but still looks great. Keep the inspiration going Curt. 

I did put my rotary table on my Revo last night so my heart is in the right 
place. We are

just busy with pre-christmas orders. so my play time is very limited.


Kind Regards,
Timothy J. Ziegler






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wrote:

Hello Everyone.

Started working with bone again today. 

I made 3 handles.

I have been playing around with new designs/shapes and patterns, to see what 
looks good, and find new possibility's that will work with what I am doing.

 

The checkered handle is one of my favorite templates, but up until now 
checkering I've not done, The size of the checkering to the spindle, looks to 
big, as least It is not what I was hoping for, Perhaps, I should have gone 
smaller?

The other two are nice, but perhaps a little on the thin side. 

Its all part of the learning curve here.

If anyone has any idea, on designs and or detail elements, Please let me know.

 

Have a good day everyone.

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Re: GREAT info re: making router bits

2023-11-17 Thread M.W.Foscue
Thank you - you too.
Mac
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Subject: Re: GREAT info re: making router bits

 
Thank you Mac.
 
That is something to look into.
 
Have a good night.
 
C.A.G.
 

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 01:15:52 AM EST, M.W.Foscue 
 wrote:
 
 
Hi Curtis,
I'm not looking for any special profile. 
I got an email from Woodline and happened to see that note regarding them 
making bits for customers.  I thought I'd share that info with The Group in 
case a member (even lurker) was looking for a company to make a special profile 
bit.
Mac
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From: 
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To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: GREAT info re: making router bits


Hey there everyone!
Mac I have not used Woodline router bits before.
I wish you luck on buying these.
Bye the way. what special router profile are you looking for?
 
C.A.G.
On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 02:15:44 PM EST, Okla Mike (Liltwisted) 
 wrote:

I have also had custom bits made from Magnate.  They have performed rather 
well.  They have become my go-to for bits.
Mike OK
On 11/17/2023 12:07 PM, M.W.Foscue wrote:
I saw the attached on an email from Woodline.  I have not used their router 
bits - but I remember they used to participate in "The Woodworking Shows" every 
year before the Wuhan Virus struck.
They seem to be saying they can/will make whatever router profile you want - 
just provide them with the profile.
If anyone has already used them for this service, or later do, please let us 
know how it went - both in terms of cost and quality of the router bit.

Thanks.
Mac
Now go do something Awesome - for a friend, co-worker, or a stranger!









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Re: GREAT info re: making router bits

2023-11-17 Thread M.W.Foscue
Hi Curtis,
I'm not looking for any special profile. 
I got an email from Woodline and happened to see that note regarding them 
making bits for customers.  I thought I'd share that info with The Group in 
case a member (even lurker) was looking for a company to make a special profile 
bit.
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Nov 18, 2023 12:45 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: GREAT info re: making router bits

Hey there everyone!
Mac I have not used Woodline router bits before.
I wish you luck on buying these.
Bye the way. what special router profile are you looking for?
 
C.A.G.
On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 02:15:44 PM EST, Okla Mike (Liltwisted) 
 wrote:

I have also had custom bits made from Magnate.  They have performed rather 
well.  They have become my go-to for bits.
Mike OK
On 11/17/2023 12:07 PM, M.W.Foscue wrote:
I saw the attached on an email from Woodline.  I have not used their router 
bits - but I remember they used to participate in "The Woodworking Shows" every 
year before the Wuhan Virus struck.
They seem to be saying they can/will make whatever router profile you want - 
just provide them with the profile.
If anyone has already used them for this service, or later do, please let us 
know how it went - both in terms of cost and quality of the router bit.

Thanks.
Mac
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Re: Quicky Christmas present

2023-11-10 Thread M.W.Foscue
Curtis,

Very nice - Thanks for sharing.
Is the lens glass or acrylic (plastic)?

I'm sure there are some "bone" handles in the making.
LoL!
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Nov 10, 2023 8:07 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Quicky Christmas present

Hello Everyone.
 
I have the day off form work, So I have started making Christmas presents again.
For those older (long term) members, you should remember that a few years back 
I made 64 magnifying glasses. (I don't plan to make that many this year, but I 
do plan to make a few, Here is the first one of the season.) 
 
These glasses are cheap to buy, under $3.00 at the local hardware store. they 
have plastic handles.
I remove to handle and then use the metal shank (?)(for no better words? The 
metal part that hold the glass to the handle.) I put it in a wood block and 
then used that part in my tail rest to center the part/handle, then I turn it 
on the my lathe and then finish it off on my Legacy.
 
"Well" here is what I made today.
any question or comments are, as always Welcome.
 
C.A.G.


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Re: spindle turning

2023-11-06 Thread M.W.Foscue
Bill,
I agree - doable on the manual Mill, other than the carving.
Surprised he didn't have an auto tool change on that Mill.
Mac
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From: 
Sent: Nov 2, 2023 9:36 PM
To: 
Subject: spindle turning

Here is one I think we could do on our manual mills accept for the carving on 
the top
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nWXsks2TnEab_channel=LegacyCNC
 
what do you all think
 
Bill


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RE: croc

2023-11-06 Thread M.W.Foscue
Too funny!
Thanks for sharing that one.  LoL!!
Mac
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From: 
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To: 
Subject: RE: croc

Well funny you should ask the answer is yes I have tasted sh many years 
ago riding my motor bike herding cattle I came off the bike
Face first into a nice big very fresh cow cookie now after you stop laughing I 
do know what it tastes like lol true story.
And crocodile dundee  says just how croc meat tastes 
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=crocodile+dundee+you+can+live+on+it+but+it+tasts+likesca_esv=579734912sxsrf=AM9HkKkhB3rRJUsNpDouv4_OKRgiuASESw%3A1699258754717ei=gqFIZbijK4Xd1e8PguODqAsved=0ahUKEwi47NKT-K6CAxWFbvUHHYLxALUQ4dUDCBAuact=5oq=crocodile+dundee+you+can+live+on+it+but+it+tasts+likegs_lp=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gws-wiz-serp#fpstate=ivevld=cid:ca2673b1,vid:J6deUbS0bDo,st:0
 
Bill
 
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Monday, November 6, 2023 2:49 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: croc


Bill,
 
Based upon your below reply - I HAVE you ask you:
 
How and Why do you know how Sh^* tastes?Inquiring minds want to know.
Since you made the crocodile meat comparison, you apparently have supped on 
Sh^* before.
LoL!!
 
Mac


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Sent: Nov 4, 2023 2:00 AM
To: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Subject: RE: croc


About 2,800 to 3000 lb hard to say without knowing the length about 18 feet but 
thats just a guess,
Aboriginal like them but I think they taste like st   lol
 
Bill


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Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 4:03 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)
Subject: Re: croc

Bill,
WOW - That's a BIG'UN!! (Or are the 3 humans pygmies/dwarfs?)
Any idea how much one like that weighs?
Do you folks eat them?  (Remember the saying?:  "Eat it - or be eaten!!")
Here in the USA you can order/eat alligator meat.  I think for the most part - 
those come from "alligator farms" - so I expect the meat is "safe" to eat.  
Knowing that in the wild, gators  crocs eat all sorts of stuff, I wouldn't 
be quite so willing to try one not farm-raised.
Thanks for the pic.
Mac



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Sent: Nov 4, 2023 12:54 AM
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Subject: croc

Ok not legacy I know sorry but thought a few of you might like to see this. 
There are heaps this size these days 
Fishing in the north here you have to keep your eyes open lol
 
Bill




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RE: croc

2023-11-05 Thread M.W.Foscue
Bill,

Based upon your below reply - I HAVE you ask you:

How and Why do you know how Sh^* tastes?Inquiring minds want to know.
Since you made the crocodile meat comparison, you apparently have supped on 
Sh^* before.
LoL!!

Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Nov 4, 2023 2:00 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: croc

About 2,800 to 3000 lb hard to say without knowing the length about 18 feet but 
thats just a guess,
Aboriginal like them but I think they taste like st   lol
 
Bill
 From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 4:03 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: croc

Bill,
WOW - That's a BIG'UN!! (Or are the 3 humans pygmies/dwarfs?)
Any idea how much one like that weighs?
Do you folks eat them?  (Remember the saying?:  "Eat it - or be eaten!!")
Here in the USA you can order/eat alligator meat.  I think for the most part - 
those come from "alligator farms" - so I expect the meat is "safe" to eat.  
Knowing that in the wild, gators  crocs eat all sorts of stuff, I wouldn't 
be quite so willing to try one not farm-raised.
Thanks for the pic.
Mac



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Sent: Nov 4, 2023 12:54 AM
To: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Subject: croc

Ok not legacy I know sorry but thought a few of you might like to see this. 
There are heaps this size these days 
Fishing in the north here you have to keep your eyes open lol
 
Bill




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Re: Gear making

2023-11-03 Thread M.W.Foscue
Curt,
Now I have learned something new - thanks to Bill and you.
I'm probably not alone in that "education" - others here may learn as well - 
which is why we are all here of course.
Thanks. 
Mac
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To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Gear making

Hay Mac.
  "Hobbing is a machining (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobbing) process for 
gear cutting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gear_cutting), cutting splines 
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotating_spline), and cutting sprockets 
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprocket) using a hobbing machine, a specialized 
milling machine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milling_machine). The teeth or 
splines of the gear are progressively cut into the material (such as a flat, 
cylindrical piece of metal or thermoset plastic) by a series of cuts made by a 
cutting tool (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutting_tool_(metalworking)) called 
a hob." (there is more.)
 
Now WHY it got its name ??? I do not know, I only know that I was shone how to 
do it when I was in trade school. and I've done it a few times over the years 
to make worm gears.
 
I Hope this helps.
C.A.G.
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 12:53:54 AM EDT, M.W.Foscue 
 wrote:

 
OK guys - I thought a "hob" was a British/Aussie term for what we 
Revolutionaries call a stove.
What's this "new" use of hob mean?
Thanks guys.
Mac
-Original Message-

From: 
Sent: Nov 4, 2023 12:30 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Gear making

Hello Everyone.
 
Dan I do like the video.
 
As Bill stated I was attempting to make/hob a worm gear for the Legacy. 
Using my lathe, I had moderate success with this idea. but sadly other things
got in the way, and I ended up put this project aside, and have not gotten back 
to it.
This person's hobbing machine that he made in the video is very nice. 
Perhaps its time to start looking at this idea again?  Thank you .
 
C.A.G.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:29:16 PM EDT,  wrote:

 
Home made gear hob nice find Dan curt was looking at a similar method as a 
possible way of making our leadscrews a few years back
  
Bill
  From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of cdkr...@gmail.comSent: 
Saturday, November 4, 2023 12:20 PMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Gear making

For those of us interested in making our own gears for LOM, this video  
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP3EHZ-S0sY)I stumbled into seems to offer a 
workable solution for those of us without laser cutters.  This would probably 
work best for the small teeth.  The larger teeth on the REVO standard index 
gear can be made another simple way with a mill using a slitting saw.



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Re: croc

2023-11-03 Thread M.W.Foscue
Bill,
WOW - That's a BIG'UN!! (Or are the 3 humans pygmies/dwarfs?)
Any idea how much one like that weighs?
Do you folks eat them?  (Remember the saying?:  "Eat it - or be eaten!!")
Here in the USA you can order/eat alligator meat.  I think for the most part - 
those come from "alligator farms" - so I expect the meat is "safe" to eat.  
Knowing that in the wild, gators  crocs eat all sorts of stuff, I wouldn't 
be quite so willing to try one not farm-raised.
Thanks for the pic.
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Nov 4, 2023 12:54 AM
To: 
Subject: croc

Ok not legacy I know sorry but thought a few of you might like to see this. 
There are heaps this size these days 
Fishing in the north here you have to keep your eyes open lol
 
Bill


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Re: Gear making

2023-11-03 Thread M.W.Foscue
OK guys - I thought a "hob" was a British/Aussie term for what we 
Revolutionaries call a stove.
What's this "new" use of hob mean?
Thanks guys.
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Nov 4, 2023 12:30 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Gear making

Hello Everyone.
 
Dan I do like the video.
 
As Bill stated I was attempting to make/hob a worm gear for the Legacy. 
Using my lathe, I had moderate success with this idea. but sadly other things
got in the way, and I ended up put this project aside, and have not gotten back 
to it.
This person's hobbing machine that he made in the video is very nice. 
Perhaps its time to start looking at this idea again?  Thank you .
 
C.A.G.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:29:16 PM EDT,  wrote:

 
Home made gear hob nice find Dan curt was looking at a similar method as a 
possible way of making our leadscrews a few years back
  
Bill
  From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of cdkr...@gmail.comSent: 
Saturday, November 4, 2023 12:20 PMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Gear making

For those of us interested in making our own gears for LOM, this video  
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP3EHZ-S0sY)I stumbled into seems to offer a 
workable solution for those of us without laser cutters.  This would probably 
work best for the small teeth.  The larger teeth on the REVO standard index 
gear can be made another simple way with a mill using a slitting saw.



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Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know

2023-10-29 Thread M.W.Foscue
Dan,

Thank you - however, I am unable to open a document saved as "ods". 
I use an Apple Mac Powerbook with the latest software/updates.
Is there another format you can send it in?

Thanks.
Mac
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To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know

This is EXACTLY the concept of my REVO mods in the same area.  I was not aware 
Curt had already addressed the issue of indexing by moving the frame as the 
Legacy videos demonstrate.  As Curt stated in 100% lockstep, "my goal was to 
make things more simple".  Not only does it allow more possibilities, it makes 
the current possibilities more reliably repeatable.  
 
Butbecause "I didn't know", y'all get the benefit of the stones I used to 
get there!  Sharing the latest version of the charts again.  As usual, copy and 
replace the older ones if the version number doesn't match what you have.  
DanKOn Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 2:22:06 PM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
 
Hello Guys!  Just work up. (its 1:56pm.) Long night at work I got home form a 
15hr day at 5:30am.
 
I only state this due to me coming to this topic late...
 
I have not seen this video. (Nice)  But for the Group We can  use these disks 
in the same way as Ron Brown shown. But We can also use them in another way.
By making a simple jig to mount onto these type of disks, We can lock the plate 
together with the spindle so that we can move the part separately form the 
Legacy gearing system.  Meaning By using a indexing system together with the 
gears of the Legacy, Can/Will allow you to do more complex ropes easer with out 
all this carriage movement as for the offsetting of each rope.
 
The idea is a modification form Mike P.'s carriage indexing video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw (Mike's video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYb-fe4GS8M (My indexing Mod.)   
NOTE: Same but different concepts, Mike uses the acme screw for the indexing, I 
am using the gears, Not trying to get anyone confused, so I need to clarify 
things.
 
No onto the "Brown's best"  Indexing plates.  By making a locking method for 
the 1-8" headstock of the Legacy, you can lock his indexing plates onto the 
Legacy, Then you can lock the part onto the plate, by removing the indexing pin 
will allow you to index the part while leaving the gears locked into place. 
This makes it easer for indexing flutes, and or roping. (depending on your 
needs.)
 
NOTE: on my roping indexing plates are made to be simple, 2,3,4,6,8. indexes so 
I do not have to count holes, My goal was to make things more simple, But using 
a more adaptable indexing plate (like these Brown indexing plates) will allow 
more possibility's,  (similar to Dan's checkering)
 
Have a good day everyone.
C.A.G.
On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 10:56:33 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:


 
Yup a bushing and you're all set.Kind Regards,Timothy J. Ziegler
On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 3:34 PM  wrote:








There are index plates on ebay too that could be made to fit the legacy 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/361588846468
 
Bill
From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Sunday, October 29, 2023 5:37 AMTo: LOM Group 
Subject: Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You 
Don't Know
 
Hey Curt I could post it again. It really never drew much interest but always 
worth a try. 
He sure has some interesting items for sure.

It's cool you've met him too. 


 
On Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 8:16 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:

Wow there are some really Cool things on this site.

 

Ron Brown I have meet and talked to many time over the years.(at the wood 
working shows.)

I do own some of his toys.  But this Off-center chuck and ladle chuck are Very 
nice, And I could see those being used with and on  the Legacy.

 

Nice find Tim. 

 

I know you put the Longworth chuck on your rotary table Tim, Could you post a 
photo of your MOD? (I am sure many in the group have not seen it.)

 

C.A.G.

 


On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 07:10:14 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote: 

 

 Turning accessories we all could use. I have his LongWorth Chuck. And its the 
one I mounted on my Rotary Table on my 1200.


Kind Regards,
Timothy J. Ziegler

























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Re: Checkering today

2023-10-28 Thread M.W.Foscue
Dan,
VERY Nice!
Thanks for sharing.

You can employ it as a "Home Defense Cudgel" if need be. 
Let's hope you don't need to!

Mac
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From: 
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To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Checkering today

Yes, 720 index positions was my ambitious goal and I realized either a 
giant plate, a second duplex set, or (Eureka) a 72 hole plate with a 10
hole vernier would get the 1/2 resolution needed to get into the 
checkering ballpark. Y'all witnessed the struggle. :)
This handle took about 2 hours.  It would take me (a relatively inexperienced
checker-er) about two days to lay out, cut, and dress this rather large
field.  
This handle really comes alive with a Danish oil finish!  Haven't decided 
what to use it for.  In the mean time, I'll just enjoy looking at it and feeling
the crisp texture.  Opens up some design features. 
DanK

On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 11:14:35 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
 
Very nice job. 36 starts is way beyond anything that I've made over the years.
Awesome work.
thank you.
C.A.G.
On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 09:31:53 AM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:


 



Curt, this is the same process used on the proof of concept test pieces.  It is 
a 
60 magnate router bit with three carbide lips sharpened to a very crisp
point.  The wood is apple which is a fine wood for carving.  I used 36
holes of the 72 hole index ring I made on the standard index gear because 
the diameter is much smaller than the test pieces.  The
spacing changes as it proceeds down the taper, almost imperceptibly but
the depth of cut is the same all the way.  The depth of cut is fairly deep at
0.063" (1/16").  Precision at every point is paramount.  Even the imperceptible
backlash of my REVO was too much.  Had to cut unidirectional.  Tedious.
But this handle went quickly because it's short and only 36 starts. 
DanKOn Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 6:55:36 AM UTC-4 Ccm Ccm wrote:
Very nice On Friday, October 27, 2023, cdkr...@gmail.com  
wrote: 
Finished the cross hatch. Look at how sharp and crisp the
diamonds are.  This raw off the LOM, no hand touch up.  
The change in spacing is barely detectable from large to small
end of this 2 3/4" stretch. 

DanK
On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:05:41 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:
Very Good Dan. It's great to see a plan coming together. 
 
Kind Regards,Timothy J. Ziegler





On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 4:56 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:

Here's the work so far.  The taper is just a hair over 2 and I wondered
how much that would affect the spacing at the small end.  I probably
won't see it until touching up.  You can see the tilt of the spindle rails
that put the cutting surface parallel to the main frame.  I'm going to
try one with a slightly increased taper and let the checkering fade
into nothingness 

 
And the chart update.
DanK
On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 5:27:07 PM UTC-4 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
Today I was motivated to checker an apple piece that I tapered in a typical 
handle fashion.  So using the Taper Chart sheet from the now named 
"LegacyCharts_V10.4" I found that the upper limit to the REVO settings for 
taper is 3/8", i.e. the spindle rails won't go clear up to the main frame 
rails. So I altered the chart to give a warning about values that can't be 
used.  And while I was versioning, I decided that the name should be adjusted 
to better reflect content.  

 
These are the settings I went with and was anxious about accuracy of the taper 
calcs.  They're dead on!

 
This is what it looks like to set up.  Needs pretty precise measuring. 

 
My picture of the work got corrupted in transfer, so after supper.
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Re: Legacy 900 for sale in WI

2023-10-26 Thread M.W.Foscue
Tim,

If there's enough interest in the Tilting Jig, maybe your bro could produce 
some?

Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Oct 26, 2023 7:05 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: Legacy 900 for sale in WI

yup me too. I suppose i can see how far that is from me lol.Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell






On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 6:03 AM Jeff Richmond mailto:jtrichmo...@gmail.com)> wrote:
I noticed the linear molding table but missed the tilting vertical vise. I 
guess I have to add that to my wish list now, lol.  
Thanks Bill
 
Jeff from Connecticut 
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 26, 2023, at 6:11 AM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
(mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au) wrote:


Very nice mill and I see it comes with one of the rare tilting vertical vice 
first one I have seen since the one I had that I lost in the fire
 
Bill
 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> 
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 3:13 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Subject: Legacy 900 for sale in WI


 
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1571681723364793/?ref=searchreferral_code=nullreferral_story_type=posttracking=browse_serp%3Af8b32298-3c45-4b75-a026-6215f70fa809

 

Nice Legs. ;-)  (AND a pretty nice machine...)

 

C.A.G.

 






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Re: Here is Legacy's Russian cousin

2023-10-11 Thread M.W.Foscue
Be careful, Curtis. 
You are going to have Tim Z wanting to travel there and bring one home in order 
to see how he can make it a better machine!  LoL!
You are so right - that machine is years behind even our manual LOMs!
Never mind the newer CNC-based ones.

Cheers!
Mac
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To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Here is Legacy's Russian cousin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxvkMf69_vst=172s  A fun look at what 
other Ornamental mills around the world are making.  This video is a few years 
old, but it just goes to show you all, the we have it much easer/better using 
the Legacy to do the same things.
 
C.A.G.

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Re: New video of design elements (roping on a tapped)

2023-10-09 Thread M.W.Foscue
Curtis,

That is a "Dog-gone" great video! (How many do you have? - dogs that is.)
By the way - we also enjoyed the side show of you cutting up a piece of wood 
with an angle grinder!  LoL!

Thanks for sharing.
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Oct 8, 2023 10:29 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: New video of design elements (roping on a tapped)

Thank you Bill for posting this for me.
 
I am using my 200. Cutting a rope on a tapper using my angle grinder as the 
cutting tool.
Everything done here could be done on any Legacy modal if the user is cutting 
form the side of the work piece.   
The angle grinder dose a good job removing the wood, But its only one piece of 
equipment in my tool box.
 
Please let me know what you think?
Any comments and suggestions are always welcome.
 
C.A.G. 
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e45JdyzQ-FE



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Re: Thread cutting target reached!

2023-09-22 Thread M.W.Foscue
Dan,
Excellent video!
Thank you for sharing/posting it.
Mac
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Sent: Sep 22, 2023 10:12 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Thread cutting target reached!

Some time ago I had a series of posts about that index gear mounting 
modification.
  I made a special bushing that allows the index gear to spin freely.  At the 
outboard 
end of the bushing is a flat holding the index arm secured to the lathe 
spindle.  You'll
 notice (if you have a REVO) that here the index gear runs on the OUTSIDE 
duplex 
gear and the "change rotation" idler runs on the INSIDE duplex gear, "inside 
out" to 
the original. This was necessary because of the space the bushing takes up. 
This 
allows me to index any number of starts (up to 24) on a work piece with 
confident 
repeatable accuracy. The method of limiting starts to the relationship between 
cutter and 
circumference chafed me. Yes, there is still a loose relationship needed to 
create 
attractive profiles but this eliminates that calculation and makes repeat 
passes 
accurate, useful when all the passes are done and some touchup is needed. If 
profile passes are stacked, this assures that the subsequent passes are 
perfectly 
aligned with the previous, or can predictably be offset. Me thinks it opens up 
creative design possibilities that might otherwise be kinda sketchy. 
 
For example, if I want to create some form of checkering, this makes it 
trivial.   
 
If the index gear is restored to it's original position on the lathe spindle 
without 
the bushing, it goes back to factory original where the factory index pin is 
usable.
 
I found the video that explains it 
(https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pRAFDnFUQBSPXMCgvlafoLpx7D6LaDC-/view?usp=sharing),
 and reposted it.  It will come down soon because I use
the space for other things.
 
DanK
On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 9:10:24 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote: 
Good morning Dan.
 
I don't want to change the subject. but I do have a question on your photo.
INDEXING Plate in your photo?  Please tell us more about that!
 
C.A.G.
 

 


On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 08:48:45 AM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
Tim, I don't understand why you don't have one like this. Doesn't EVERYONE have 
1/2" acrylic pieces laying around? LOL!  It's a piece of discarded colored 
plastic that had the right shape and seems sturdy enough.  I milled a  slot for 
height adjustment and mounted a piece of HDPE with a groove in it.  It too has 
a slot for adjustment, but doesn't really need it. I'm a hoarder and keep stuff 
(organized) for up to 50 years before I find a use for it!  And it still 
happens that the week after a clean out, I NEED what was thrown away.  



You want one?  
DanKOn Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:10:01 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:
Wow very cool. I like your steady rest too. You make that or is that Revo 
specific? I don't have one with mine. 
Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler





On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 3:58 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  
wrote:This is the item that started the gear calc frenzy.  It meets all my 
expectations after putting a steady rest under the center that tended to move 
away from even the slightest cut. The REVO is accurate enough that this thread 
was not distorted in the least by at least 8 passes trying to get the thread in 
the middle right.  Two of those were after the steady rest went on.
  
 
Something close to this is the target.

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Re: Legacy for sale on Face Book Market place. $100.00

2023-09-18 Thread M.W.Foscue
Tim,

Ya better check with NY Joe (Joe Biuno) - as he has already headed out -
which means he's probably almost to Weston, WV. 

Safe travels  good luck!
Mac
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To: 
Subject: Re: Legacy for sale on Face Book Market place. $100.00

wow on my way lol.Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler



On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 9:05 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> wrote:

Looks nice for the price.
C.A.G.
 
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/663086512465675/?ref=searchreferral_code=nullreferral_story_type=posttracking=browse_serp%3Abf18fe88-f2b1-4bc6-8c5f-e4b2b077e94e
 
Legacy Woodworking Ornamental Lathe$100

Listed 5 days ago in Weston, WV 
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Re: Gear calculations

2023-09-12 Thread M.W.Foscue
Dan,

Thanks.  The "fog" is clearing.
Making a gear or two for a 1-off or 3-off project seems like a way to go - 
given what you've shared.
If needing gears for a "long haul", my guess is pony up the pennies and farm 
the project out to Tim Z's brother - as he is aa machinist (or at least owns 
the machinery and has the skill set.

Best of luck to ya!
Mac
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From: 
Sent: Sep 12, 2023 6:16 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Gear calculations

No worries, mate.  Bill can do math upside down and backwards.  I've just 
posted more updates.
 
My goal doing all this is to be able to easily extend the capabilities of my 
REVO LOM.  Specifically, the current shop project is restoring a wooden hand 
plane that needs wooden threads typical of the era  3/4 - 6  (dia - pitch).  I 
have a thread box, but it doesn't do well in the wood I have, so the REVO is 
called to duty. But the pitch required on the wooden dowel is not reachable 
with the standard gear set for the REVO even if I had all the gears made that 
would fit it.  So the simplest route turned complex-- make custom gears.  But I 
don't think I know anyone yet that can generate an accurate DXF file without 
knowing the module of the gears. A DXF file communicates the gear 
specifications from a drawing to a G-code generator that operates a CNC device 
of some sort, be it laser, water jet, machining, or 3D printer.  Any two gears 
that mesh must have the same module.  There are two modules used on the most 
common LOMs, one for driver gear (the little teeth) and one for the index gear 
(larger teeth).   
 
So a milestone has been reached.  Now I will be looking for ways to actually 
make the gear I need.  I have 1/8" acrylic sheets that I can scroll saw to 
shape.  I also have machining tools capable of gear cutting, i.e. mill and 
index head.  I'll poke around some before I get serious about hiring someone to 
make the gears, but I won't turn down leads.
DanK
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:41:45 PM UTC-4 M.W.Foscue wrote:
I think we may have a "Rocket Scientist" amongst us!  LoL!!

Dan - I'm impressed with the level of detail/calculations and questions you 
come up with.
Please explain - once you know the module - how do you employ/use it?
Glad you asked the question - but, as you can tell, I have no clue as to what 
you are addressing here. 
However I have interest in what you are asking and how you will use the 
answer(s) - as well as how the rest of us will, as well, in our own unique 
situations.
Question:  Does Bill B. (Aussie man) have to use this equation:
1__

m = OD/(z+2)

Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Sep 12, 2023 1:55 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Gear calculations

Hi guys,
Can anyone confirm my calculations of module for the drive gears and index 
gears?
 
I calculate:
drive gear module = 1.05435 
index gear module = 0.09722
 
These two numbers are in mm and are critical to the accurate production of 
gears to work on the LOMs, specifically the REVO.
 
The formula I used is m = OD/(z+2) where m is module, OD is outside diamter, 
and z is the number of teeth. 
 
Thank you.
DanK




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Re: Gear calculations

2023-09-12 Thread M.W.Foscue
I think we may have a "Rocket Scientist" amongst us!  LoL!!

Dan - I'm impressed with the level of detail/calculations and questions you 
come up with.

Please explain - once you know the module - how do you employ/use it?

Glad you asked the question - but, as you can tell, I have no clue as to what 
you are addressing here. 
However I have interest in what you are asking and how you will use the 
answer(s) - as well as how the rest of us will, as well, in our own unique 
situations.

Question:  Does Bill B. (Aussie man) have to use this equation:
1__
m = OD/(z+2)

Mac

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Sent: Sep 12, 2023 1:55 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Gear calculations

Hi guys,
Can anyone confirm my calculations of module for the drive gears and index 
gears?
 
I calculate:
drive gear module = 1.05435  
index gear module = 0.09722
 
These two numbers are in mm and are critical to the accurate production of 
gears to work on the LOMs, specifically the REVO.
 
The formula I used is m = OD/(z+2) where m is module, OD is outside diamter, 
and z is the number of teeth.  
 
Thank you.
DanK

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Re: Fwd: Tim, Making a Classic Barley Twist on a Legacy CNC

2023-09-05 Thread M.W.Foscue
Tim.
Thank you, 
VERY GOOD info.!
Cheers!
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Sep 5, 2023 10:06 PM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Fwd: Tim, Making a Classic Barley Twist on a Legacy CNC

Here's another one guys. Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell





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From: Legacy Woodworking Machinery mailto:j...@legacywoodworking.com)>
Date: Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 5:27 PM
Subject: Tim, Making a Classic Barley Twist on a Legacy CNC
To: Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com)>


 Hi Tim,

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Re: Fwd: Tim, Making a Diamond Rope Twist on a Legacy CNC

2023-09-03 Thread M.W.Foscue
Tim,

Thanks.
If I received it - it ma have been in SPAM folder.
Thanks for the forward.  For folks not on Legacy's email list - this should be 
useful from the standpoint of the router bits used.
These are the same bits we use in our manual/pre-CNC Mills.

Cheers!
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Sep 1, 2023 9:57 PM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Fwd: Tim, Making a Diamond Rope Twist on a Legacy CNC

I forward this to the group last week too and received no response. Are there 
any interested Lurkers or do most of you receive this already?
Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler



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Date: Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 1:40 PM
Subject: Tim, Making a Diamond Rope Twist on a Legacy CNC
To: Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com)>


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Re: fathers day

2023-09-02 Thread M.W.Foscue
Bill,

Very nice of your kids!
That is a great looking piece of wood.  Can't wait to see what you make from it.
Happy Father's Day!  (Here in the USA, we celebrate Father's Day in June.)

Mac

-Original Message-
From: 
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To: 
Subject: fathers day

Got my fathers day present from my kids early today instead of tomorrow 
because the courier dropped it off on the wrong day lol great for me I had no 
idea they were getting this for me.
Fully carbide inserts helical spiral so quiet so smooth and no snipe this piece 
of Tasmanian black hardwood looks like its been sanded with 320 grit 
instead of strait off the thicknesser very impressive machine I will never go 
make to full length hss blades again
 
Bill


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RE: ROLL CALL!!!

2023-08-27 Thread M.W.Foscue
Bill,

I know I've thanked you before for all that you do/have done for our Group.
I just want to reiterate my thanks again - especially now knowing how many 
HOURS it takes!

Thank you!
Mac
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Sent: Aug 27, 2023 7:34 PM
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Subject: RE: ROLL CALL!!!

Thank you as well Ray making those videos especially the tutorials were very 
time consuming a 20 minuet video with all the setup steps and all the editing 
and uploading to youtube would take like 10 or 12 hours its a very long 
day. So now I know people are watching them and saving them for reference I 
dont care who shares or copies them I made them for everyone that makes 
it all worth it.
 
Bill
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Ray Leaman
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 3:18 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ROLL CALL!!!


I will add my thanks Bill for your efforts and videos.  I watch them and keep 
them for reference.  Will look forward to more in the future.  Good on ya.


On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 1:14 PM mailto:viking89...@charter.net)> wrote:

Bill,
 
Just a quick note of appreciation and encouragement regarding your tutorials. I 
greatly value any help and instruction I can get.
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Jon
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
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mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> On Behalf Of 
bulke...@mmnet.com.au (mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2023 1:53 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
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Subject: RE: ROLL CALL!!!


 
I am so glad to see all these people chiming in to say hello I truly thought 
the group was almost finished there only ever seemed to be mostly me ,Tim and 
Curt posting legacy stuff alone with very few comments no matter what we tried 
there was very little interest only Curts bone milling got a few replys, 
I was truly discouraged and turned my attention away to scroll sawing for a 
while and any minor legacy news of things I was doing I just communicated with 
privet emails to the guys I didnt think there was anybody much left in 
the group to read the posts. Looks like I was wrong, people are still looking 
at what we do, comments good or bad inspire us to do more things on our legacys 
and post them I even stopped making my video series of ornamental milling for 
beginners because I thought only one or 2 people were looking at them. After I 
complete my last 2 scroll saw projects I might just have to do something legacy 
again and post it to the group.
 
Bill
 
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Re: New video on bone turning

2023-08-20 Thread M.W.Foscue
Hey Curtis,
Thanks.
Very interesting video you put together there.  You've got the Z-axis 
adjustment device down to a ritual.  Great job.
One request - please get a VERY GOOD dust collection setup on the rig and/or 
wear a HIGH level of protection respirator.  We don't want you going down with 
respiratory issues breathing all that bone dust!

Cheers!
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Aug 20, 2023 9:55 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: New video on bone turning

Hey Curt, 
Super excited to view the whole thing for sure. 
I watched a bit to get it started. Very good. 
Stay tuned. 
Kind Regards,Timothy J. Ziegler
On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 3:22 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> wrote:





There is no talking, only music and turning.  
I Thought I would try something new.
Please let me know what you think?
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKMimY9JGk8
 
C.A.G.




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Re: Magnate router bits - Woodpeckers "UltraShear"

2023-08-11 Thread M.W.Foscue
I agree - well worth checking out.

Bill - any idea as to how much it would cost to get one of their bits sent 
"Down Under"?

Mac
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To: 
Subject: Re: Magnate router bits - Woodpeckers "UltraShear"

Yea and for the price they are going to rock the router bit industry too. I am 
leaning on checking theirs out for sure.Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell






On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 11:41 PM M.W.Foscue mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net)> wrote:
Hello Curtis,

Thanks for that.
Have you seen the new product line that Woodpeckers Tools has come out with - 
several months ago?
Here is a link (https://www.woodpeck.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=ultrashear) to 
their web page for their new line of high quality router bits - they call it 
"UltraShear" (https://www.woodpeck.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=ultrashear).  
Most all of thebits are solid carbide and they are all made here in America - 
as they say at conclusion of their videos "Made right here in Strongsville, 
Ohio".

Enjoy!
Mac

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Sent: Aug 11, 2023 12:26 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Subject: Magnate router bits.

https://www.magnate.net/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=RBCABINETMAKER
 
Hello Everyone.
 
I know its Vacation season and most of our members are out on Leave/Vacation.  
So I thought it would be a good idea to run over an old Idea that many of our 
group takes for granted.  ROUTER Bits! 
And for the Price and range of stiles Magnate is hard to beat!
As for the Work horse of the Legacy Ornamental Mill is  
(https://www.magnate.net/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=2705)Magnate 2705 
Surface Planing ( Bottom Cleaning ) Router Bit - 1-1/2" Cutting Diameter; 1/2" 
Shank Diameter; 15/32" Cutting Length; 2" Shank Length  
(https://www.magnate.net/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=2705)
Good for cleaning out dadoes and cutting wide square grooves. Leaves a smooth 
clean finished surface. Also perfect for milling round, square, or flat stock 
on the Legacy Ornamental Mill.  
(https://www.magnate.net/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=2705)
Our Price: $26.13

 $26.13 is by far the best deal that you can find anywhere. At the two local 
wood supply stores, Rockler and Wood Craft the starting price for any router 
bit is $36.00 and UP. which for me this makes Magnate a even better deal.
 
Have a good night.
 
C.A.G.



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Re: Magnate router bits - Woodpeckers "UltraShear"

2023-08-10 Thread M.W.Foscue
Hello Curtis,

Thanks for that.
Have you seen the new product line that Woodpeckers Tools has come out with - 
several months ago?
Here is a link (https://www.woodpeck.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=ultrashear) to 
their web page for their new line of high quality router bits - they call it 
"UltraShear" (https://www.woodpeck.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=ultrashear).  
Most all of thebits are solid carbide and they are all made here in America - 
as they say at conclusion of their videos "Made right here in Strongsville, 
Ohio".

Enjoy!
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Aug 11, 2023 12:26 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Magnate router bits.

https://www.magnate.net/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=RBCABINETMAKER
 
Hello Everyone.
 
I know its Vacation season and most of our members are out on Leave/Vacation.  
So I thought it would be a good idea to run over an old Idea that many of our 
group takes for granted.  ROUTER Bits! 
And for the Price and range of stiles Magnate is hard to beat!
As for the Work horse of the Legacy Ornamental Mill is  
(https://www.magnate.net/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=2705)Magnate 2705 
Surface Planing ( Bottom Cleaning ) Router Bit - 1-1/2" Cutting Diameter; 1/2" 
Shank Diameter; 15/32" Cutting Length; 2" Shank Length  
(https://www.magnate.net/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=2705)
Good for cleaning out dadoes and cutting wide square grooves. Leaves a smooth 
clean finished surface. Also perfect for milling round, square, or flat stock 
on the Legacy Ornamental Mill.  
(https://www.magnate.net/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=2705)
Our Price: $26.13

 $26.13 is by far the best deal that you can find anywhere. At the two local 
wood supply stores, Rockler and Wood Craft the starting price for any router 
bit is $36.00 and UP. which for me this makes Magnate a even better deal.
 
Have a good night.
 
C.A.G.



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Re: This is "NOT" a Legacy video, BUT IT's pretty Neat!

2023-08-07 Thread M.W.Foscue
I'm looking forward to seeing one - just like you are Curtis.

Bill does great videos.  Even his sound track is nice.

Mac
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To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: This is "NOT" a Legacy video, BUT IT's pretty Neat!

 
Watch out Bill.
It looks like this is you time to make a video. ;-)
 
I know it will be Great!
 
C.A.G.
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:33:51 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:

 
Great Save my friend!Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler



On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 6:32 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:
It was but I found what was left of it in the ashes and rebuilt it only a year 
or 2 ago 
 
Bill
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 
2023 3:42 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)Subject: Re: This is "NOT" a 
Legacy video, BUT IT's pretty Neat!
 
Bill

I thought that is was lost in the fire?

 

I agree its pretty neat! Perhaps one day I will make one, too.?

 

So many idea's , On how to make things, differently. ;-)

To much Fun! 

 

C.A.G.

 


On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 12:15:14 PM EDT, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote: 

 

 

Yea I was playing with that for a while years ago it did some pretty cool balls 
too.i will have to dig it out and do a video on it one day.
 
Bill
 From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com) 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> On Behalf Of Tim 
ZieglerSent: Monday, August 7, 2023 8:42 PMTo: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)Subject: Re: This is "NOT" a 
Legacy video, BUT IT's pretty Neat!
 
Wow that is extremely cool I have not seen that from the Archives. I never 
even fathomed doing a ball on the LOM. How awesome is that. Nice innovations 
there

Bill. Now the wheels are turning again. lol 


Kind Regards,
 

Timothy J. Ziegler




 


 
On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 9:35 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> wrote:

Hello Tim

 

Yes I think its pretty neat.  Sorta reminds me of Bill's jig for his Legacy.   
https://ornamentalmills.com/Bill_Bulkeley/ball_attachment/index.html  

 

I know that they are different but these types of jigs, really make me think , 
"Out Side the Box".

 

Fun stuff to think about. there are so many possibilities  that are out there 
for us the discover.

;-)

 

C.A.G.

 


On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 10:29:30 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com)> wrote: 

 

 

Thats pretty ingenious jig too for sure. 
I like his wooden gears for sure. 


Kind Regards,
 

Timothy J. Ziegler

  On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 9:15 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> wrote:






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86f-qfwMKv0t=4s

 

Clever jigs.

 

C.A.G.































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Re: OT: Things are pretty slow here. Communication problem? LOL

2023-08-01 Thread M.W.Foscue
Dan,

Excellent one!

At least for that one, Bill didn't have to turn his computer screen upside 
down! (Or would it be "downside up"?)

Thanks for sharing.
Mac
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From: 
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To: 
Subject: Re: OT: Things are pretty slow here. Communication problem? LOL

lol good humor DanKind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell





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DanK


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RE: New live center for my 200

2023-06-26 Thread M.W.Foscue
Bill,

We mostly use "cycles" - but on rare occasion, you will see Hz.  On electric 
appliances, motors, etc. you will see one or the other.

As for voltage, I see our lower voltage mentioned as any of these: 110, 115, or 
120.
And I see our higher household voltage usually mentioned as either 220 or 240. 
(Never seen mention of 230v)

When I was growing up (very younger years) in the Panama Canal Zone - I 
remember we had 25 cycle electricity.  Not sure if it was 110v or something 
else.  Then one day they had a truck come thru the neighborhood - and families 
could swap out their "cycles sensitive" devices - like clocks - for new ones 
that ran on 60 cycles.  Strange, huh?

Mac
  -Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Jun 27, 2023 1:35 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: New live center for my 200

We use 240volt 50 cycles but we call cycles Hertz 
 
Bill
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 2:41 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New live center for my 200


Bill,
 
What juice (mains?) do you run in your house/shop?
Do you have 110 and 220; or only 220 like in Europe? 
Many "home shops" in America add 220v AC/60 cycles if they didn't already have 
it before outfitting their shop.
What cycle do you have - 50?  Or 60 - like here in America?
 
Thanks.
Mac



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Sent: Jun 27, 2023 12:21 AM
To: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Subject: RE: New live center for my 200

You need a gas generator curt like I have power outages I just start it up and 
keep on going
 
Bill


 From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> 
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 11:16 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Subject: New live center for my 200

Hello and good evening everyone.

 

Sunday's and Mondays are my weekends.  But sadly, We had a storm Saturday 
evening, which caused a power outage for me, The power was restored appx. 6pm 
today.  3 hours in the shop form me over a weekend is NOT normal, And I was 
having withdrawal systems. (Yes people my Feet hurt!  You see with out 
electricity the only way for me to spend my time at home is to walk our dog. We 
walked 10 miles today and even more yesterday.) ;-)

 

OK (sorry guys, I don't mean to cry over spilled milk, so to speak... This 
weekend was Horrible! )  ;-p

 

Today's shop time was meant to turn some bone blanks that I got ready for 
turning last weekend. 

 

I did one turning, which turned out pretty good, but after switching form 
machines I noticed that the dead center on my 200 was wearing badly.

(Note: the 200 was meant to by turned by hand, the motor I use , is way more 
rotations then the dead center was meant to handle.)   

I found an old live center that I used on my pedal lathe, (see Bill web site. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpAz-xgLynU )

The live center has a 1/2-24 thread that holds it onto the MT-1 shaft. knowing 
this I removed it form its shaft and used a fine thread bolt to mount it onto 
my 200.  It was a simple matter of drilling out the 3/8" hole that the old dead 
center used for its mountings and making it 1/2" then screwing the bolt onto 
and in the live center.

Over all this weekend was not a total lost cause. 

A new toy and bonding time with our puppy. ;-)

 

Have a good night everyone.

talk to you all more latter.

 

C.A.G.






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RE: New live center for my 200

2023-06-26 Thread M.W.Foscue
Bill,

What juice (mains?) do you run in your house/shop?
Do you have 110 and 220; or only 220 like in Europe? 
Many "home shops" in America add 220v AC/60 cycles if they didn't already have 
it before outfitting their shop.
What cycle do you have - 50?  Or 60 - like here in America?

Thanks.
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Jun 27, 2023 12:21 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: New live center for my 200

You need a gas generator curt like I have power outages I just start it up and 
keep on going
 
Bill
 From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 11:16 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: New live center for my 200

Hello and good evening everyone.

 

Sunday's and Mondays are my weekends.  But sadly, We had a storm Saturday 
evening, which caused a power outage for me, The power was restored appx. 6pm 
today.  3 hours in the shop form me over a weekend is NOT normal, And I was 
having withdrawal systems. (Yes people my Feet hurt!  You see with out 
electricity the only way for me to spend my time at home is to walk our dog. We 
walked 10 miles today and even more yesterday.) ;-)

 

OK (sorry guys, I don't mean to cry over spilled milk, so to speak... This 
weekend was Horrible! )  ;-p

 

Today's shop time was meant to turn some bone blanks that I got ready for 
turning last weekend. 

 

I did one turning, which turned out pretty good, but after switching form 
machines I noticed that the dead center on my 200 was wearing badly.

(Note: the 200 was meant to by turned by hand, the motor I use , is way more 
rotations then the dead center was meant to handle.)   

I found an old live center that I used on my pedal lathe, (see Bill web site. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpAz-xgLynU )

The live center has a 1/2-24 thread that holds it onto the MT-1 shaft. knowing 
this I removed it form its shaft and used a fine thread bolt to mount it onto 
my 200.  It was a simple matter of drilling out the 3/8" hole that the old dead 
center used for its mountings and making it 1/2" then screwing the bolt onto 
and in the live center.

Over all this weekend was not a total lost cause. 

A new toy and bonding time with our puppy. ;-)

 

Have a good night everyone.

talk to you all more latter.

 

C.A.G.




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RE: wood lathe

2023-06-23 Thread M.W.Foscue
Bill,

It may be "... a bit far to ship."
But it IS all downhill!  LoL!

Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Jun 23, 2023 4:26 PM
To: 
Subject: RE: wood lathe

Thank you but the guy Im researching this for is a fellow Australian so 
its a bit far to ship 
Bill
 From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Owner
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 11:33 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: wood lathe

Have been turning for 60 years there are more lathes manufactures and models 
out there than you can count, my advice is to buy the biggest and heaviest  one 
you cant afford or youll regret it.
For me my go to lathe is a Powermatic 4224B couldd be happier as there's 
nothing it cant turn big or small it also has a built in vacuum chuck 
system and indexing. 

Mass is critical if your turning anything bigger than spindles. 

Some fellow club members have reported issues with Laguna electronics as has 
the local Woodcraft that sells them.


Have a Jet 1220 VS with stand Im will to sell for a reasonable price 
with many accessories I used to take on the road for demos but I no longer do 
that.


Michael Kratky

 On Jun 23, 2023, at 9:06 AM, Rick Hutley mailto:rghut...@gmail.com)> wrote:


This also rates Laguna in the top picks:

 

  https://www.lathematters.com/best-wood-lathe/

 

Rick

On Jun 23, 2023, at 09:05, Rick Hutley mailto:rghut...@gmail.com)> wrote:

Ive done wood lathe turning for a number of years - not on a Laguna 
Im afraid. However, I can tell you that Laguna have a very good 
reputation. You might also look at the Powermatic lathes.

 

Rick

On Jun 23, 2023, at 07:07, Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com)> wrote:

I have a call turning friend that just bought a Laguna for a replacement lathe. 
He turns everyday and said it runs super smooth and really likes it. Not sure 
what 

model he has but could find out. 

I'm a Power Matic guy so can only attest to his opinion, and if he likes a tool 
its got 

to be pretty good. 

 
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. Ziegler

On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 3:19 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:





Has anybody had any experience with a laguna wood lathe I am looking at 
different brands for a friend and laguna keeps coming up as a very good one 
looking for opinions
 
Bill












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Re: Router bit extension question

2023-06-21 Thread M.W.Foscue
 I also recommend one goes to their local hardware store, buys a 7/16" (or 
1/2") rubber o-ring.  Drop it in the collet hole.  Then, when you insert the 
bit, it rests on the o-ring and when you tighten the collet, the o-ring 
compresses - keeping the bit from bottoming out.  Been using that technique for 
years in a couple of my routers.  Works well.
Mac
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From: 
Sent: Jun 21, 2023 7:02 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: Router bit extension question

there you go. Kind Regards,Timothy J. Ziegler
On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 12:18 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:





Or just pop a bean bag bean on the router bit and slip the bit in till it 
touches 
And tighten it up
 
Bill
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com) 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2023 2:24 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)
Subject: Re: Router bit extension question
 
Tim,
 
That's exactly what I do and teach.  I insert the shank into router collet 
until it "bottoms out" (won't go in any further).  I then lift it back up in 
the collet about 1/8 to 1/4 inch.  Have never had one get stuck and never had 
one come loose either!  There is/are one or two router bit manufacturers that 
do put a line /mark on the shank where they recommend you insert the shank into 
the collet to that mark.  Mark looks something like:   -->|
 
Mac



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From: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Sent: Jun 20, 2023 10:49 PM
To: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Subject: Re: Router bit extension question
 
Great input Mike,  
Yes I have a rule of thumb to bottom it out then pull it out 1/16 inch, and 
tighten it up. Same with the Router extension. 


Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler

 On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 9:40 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted) mailto:legacym...@iglide.net)> wrote:





One of the things we have a tendency to do is push the shaft too far into the 
collet.  Then when we tighten it, it will bury out and tighten up as a jamming 
to the bottom instead of squeeze onto the bit or extender shaft.  So in this 
condition, without enough compression on the shaft, it will only take a little 
vibration to get everything loose enough to start slipping.  Good thing for us, 
there is usually a lot of vibration noise or our work that gets in the way of 
launching it at us.  The solution is; figure out how far you can insert the 
shaft and get a measurement.  Then remove the collet and see how far in the 
shaft will run into the collet before it pops out the other end.  Now if you 
add 1/8" to the collet measurement and subtract 1/4" from the depth 
measurement, you will have your safe install zone.  On my carriage, I made 
those 2 marks, scratched into the metal.  It's pretty easy to make an ink mark 
on the router bit to make sure you are in the safe area.  Now install it and 
while running, you may lose the marks but you will never lose the bit!
Now there is one more thing you need to do.  Your extreme shaft may have 
suffered some damage.  Make sure the shaft is smooth and free of burrs.  If you 
need to polish it, you can chuck in a 1/2" shaft into the drill press and the 
chuck the extreme onto the shaft as well.  you will now be able to spin the 
shaft and work out any imperfections the slip may have caused.  Good luck and 
be safe.
Mike OK
 
On 6/20/2023 8:10 PM, Mike Newman wrote:

I have a question for those of you that have the extreme router bit extension 
on their LOM router.  How often do you check and re-tighten the extension into 
the router?  I have had it come loose a couple of times with no real advance 
notice.  Do you check it every time you use the router or so much run time 
between checks?  Ruin the walking stick I was working on but no issues with the 
router or collett/nut that I can see/feel.








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Re: Router bit extension question

2023-06-20 Thread M.W.Foscue
Tim,

That's exactly what I do and teach.  I insert the shank into router collet 
until it "bottoms out" (won't go in any further).  I then lift it back up in 
the collet about 1/8 to 1/4 inch.  Have never had one get stuck and never had 
one come loose either!  There is/are one or two router bit manufacturers that 
do put a line /mark on the shank where they recommend you insert the shank into 
the collet to that mark.  Mark looks something like:   -->|

Mac
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To: 
Subject: Re: Router bit extension question

Great input Mike, Yes I have a rule of thumb to bottom it out then pull it out 
1/16 inch, and tighten it up. Same with the Router extension. 
Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell






On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 9:40 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted) mailto:legacym...@iglide.net)> wrote:
One of the things we have a tendency to do is push the shaft too far into the 
collet.  Then when we tighten it, it will bury out and tighten up as a jamming 
to the bottom instead of squeeze onto the bit or extender shaft.  So in this 
condition, without enough compression on the shaft, it will only take a little 
vibration to get everything loose enough to start slipping.  Good thing for us, 
there is usually a lot of vibration noise or our work that gets in the way of 
launching it at us.  The solution is; figure out how far you can insert the 
shaft and get a measurement.  Then remove the collet and see how far in the 
shaft will run into the collet before it pops out the other end.  Now if you 
add 1/8" to the collet measurement and subtract 1/4" from the depth 
measurement, you will have your safe install zone.  On my carriage, I made 
those 2 marks, scratched into the metal.  It's pretty easy to make an ink mark 
on the router bit to make sure you are in the safe area.  Now install it and 
while running, you may lose the marks but you will never lose the bit!
Now there is one more thing you need to do.  Your extreme shaft may have 
suffered some damage.  Make sure the shaft is smooth and free of burrs.  If you 
need to polish it, you can chuck in a 1/2" shaft into the drill press and the 
chuck the extreme onto the shaft as well.  you will now be able to spin the 
shaft and work out any imperfections the slip may have caused.  Good luck and 
be safe.
Mike OK
On 6/20/2023 8:10 PM, Mike Newman wrote:
I have a question for those of you that have the extreme router bit extension 
on their LOM router.  How often do you check and re-tighten the extension into 
the router?  I have had it come loose a couple of times with no real advance 
notice.  Do you check it every time you use the router or so much run time 
between checks?  Ruin the walking stick I was working on but no issues with the 
router or collett/nut that I can see/feel.
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Re: Router bit extension question

2023-06-20 Thread M.W.Foscue
Mike,

Apply a "dot" (small dab?) of "Blue Loctite" threadlocker to the set screw in 
the extension.
That should resolve your issue.  If you only use that one bit in the extension, 
you may want to try the Red Loctite (semi-permanent locking) on it.

Best of luck.
Mac
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From: 
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To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Router bit extension question

I have a question for those of you that have the extreme router bit extension 
on their LOM router.  How often do you check and re-tighten the extension into 
the router?  I have had it come loose a couple of times with no real advance 
notice.  Do you check it every time you use the router or so much run time 
between checks?  Ruin the walking stick I was working on but no issues with the 
router or collett/nut that I can see/feel.

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Re: Shoe Horn Handle on the REVO

2023-06-13 Thread M.W.Foscue
Tim,

One more possibility (probability):
Jatoba - AKA "Brazilian Cherry"

Check it out.
Mac
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From: 
Sent: Jun 13, 2023 2:23 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Shoe Horn Handle on the REVO

Well of them 3 it really looks like this. I just have to remember if I would 
have done a job with that species. 
Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell






On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 6:13 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:
https://www.wood-database.com/cumaru/
https://www.wood-database.com/african-padauk/
https://www.wood-database.com/peruvian-walnut/
 
here you go Tim

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Subject: Re: Shoe Horn Handle on the REVO

 
Thanks Mac,
 

I am actually still trying to decide what species it is. I don't recall any of 
those species you mentioned. 

But I will be looking it up. Just happened to be the exact size I was looking 
for and was a very dense and

hard wood that seemed it would take the everyday use of a shoe horn.

Stay tuned. 


Kind Regards,
 

Timothy J. Ziegler

 On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 10:03 PM M.W.Foscue mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net)> wrote:





Tim,
 
Very nice - thanks for sharing.
The pics are low res. - so a bit difficult deciding the wood type.  But a 
couple guesses are:
Peruvian Walnut?
Paduk?
Cumaru?
 
Cheers!
Mac



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To: LOM Group mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com)>
Subject: Shoe Horn Handle on the REVO
 
Good evening, 
 

Well I thought it was time to turn something of use again so I had a shoe horn 
kit that has been sitting in my "Kits" drawer long enough. 

So I turned this on my REVO. 

6 start 3/8 pitch spiral. about 9.5 inches long. 

Species, honestly I have to look it up, so stay tuned. No its not cherry 
either. 

Fun little project that will serve me well. 


Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler













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Re: Shoe Horn Handle on the REVO

2023-06-12 Thread M.W.Foscue
Tim,

Very nice - thanks for sharing.
The pics are low res. - so a bit difficult deciding the wood type.  But a 
couple guesses are:
Peruvian Walnut?
Paduk?
Cumaru?

Cheers!
Mac
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To: LOM Group , Tim Ziegler 

Subject: Shoe Horn Handle on the REVO

Good evening, 
Well I thought it was time to turn something of use again so I had a shoe horn 
kit that has been sitting in my "Kits" drawer long enough. 
So I turned this on my REVO. 
6 start 3/8 pitch spiral. about 9.5 inches long. 
Species, honestly I have to look it up, so stay tuned. No its not cherry 
either. 
Fun little project that will serve me well. 
Kind Regards,Timothy J. Ziegler






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Re: charcuterie board Groove on LOM

2023-05-30 Thread M.W.Foscue
Got it.
Thanks.
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From: 
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To: 
Subject: Re: charcuterie board Groove on LOM

Hey Mac, 
Thanks 
Its actually Red Alder. 
The finish is 3 coats of a Food Grade Butcher Block finish. 
It has mineral oil and a balance of Waxes in it. I'll grab the brand later. 
Its best applied prewarmed and applied with a soft cotton rag. 
It still needs to be buffed up a bit, but I had to let it soak in.
Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell






On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 9:53 PM M.W.Foscue mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net)> wrote:
Tim,

Very nice!  Your "

finished result was good" needs revision: Should be "finished result was 
Excellent!"What is the wood you made it from?  Cedar?  Hemlock?  Cyprus?
And what finish did you apply? (brand  specifics - like Walrus Oil applied 
w/a cloth; or used a 3M-type Scotchbright pad; etc.)

Thanks for sharing.
Mac
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Subject: charcuterie board Groove on LOM

Found a good use of my LOM this week on a job and it worked extremely well. 
used 2 Rockler hold downs and to LOM mounting hubs to hold it in place. 
Mounted my stops on the rails to control my length of the groove. I manually 
controlled the Router and Carriage to minimize burning.
As you can see the finished result was good. 
Kind Regards,Timothy J. Ziegler







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Re: charcuterie board Groove on LOM

2023-05-30 Thread M.W.Foscue
Very nice piece of wood you used.
Mac
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To: 
Subject: Re: charcuterie board Groove on LOM

yeah "Red Alder" to match the customers Kitchen.Kind Regards,Timothy J. Ziegler





On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 10:13 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:It might be just simple pine what ever it 
looks good
 
Bill
 
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Tim,
 
Very nice!  Your "

finished result was good" needs revision: Should be "finished result was 
Excellent!" 
What is the wood you made it from?  Cedar?  Hemlock?  Cyprus?
And what finish did you apply? (brand  specifics - like Walrus Oil applied 
w/a cloth; or used a 3M-type Scotchbright pad; etc.)
 
Thanks for sharing.
Mac


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To: LOM Group mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>, Tim Ziegler 
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Subject: charcuterie board Groove on LOM
 
Found a good use of my LOM this week on a job and it worked extremely well.  
used 2 Rockler hold downs and to LOM mounting hubs to hold it in place. 

Mounted my stops on the rails to control my length of the groove. I manually 
controlled the Router and Carriage to minimize burning.

As you can see the finished result was good. 


Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler













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Re: charcuterie board Groove on LOM

2023-05-30 Thread M.W.Foscue
I don't know - as I'm on "leave" for a week.  Visiting our son  family in 
Charlotte, NC.
In most all cases it is the same price as you would see in the Rockler online 
catalog.
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To: 
Subject: Re: charcuterie board Groove on LOM

how much is it there?Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
 





On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 6:41 PM M.W.Foscue mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net)> wrote:
Thanks - I believe we sell that in our Rockler store.
Mac

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Here's the finish Mac

On Sun, May 28, 2023, 9:53 PM M.W.Foscue mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net)> wrote:
Tim,

Very nice!  Your "

finished result was good" needs revision: Should be "finished result was 
Excellent!"What is the wood you made it from?  Cedar?  Hemlock?  Cyprus?
And what finish did you apply? (brand  specifics - like Walrus Oil applied 
w/a cloth; or used a 3M-type Scotchbright pad; etc.)

Thanks for sharing.
Mac
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mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com)>
Subject: charcuterie board Groove on LOM

Found a good use of my LOM this week on a job and it worked extremely well. 
used 2 Rockler hold downs and to LOM mounting hubs to hold it in place. 
Mounted my stops on the rails to control my length of the groove. I manually 
controlled the Router and Carriage to minimize burning.
As you can see the finished result was good. 
Kind Regards,Timothy J. Ziegler









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Re: charcuterie board Groove on LOM

2023-05-30 Thread M.W.Foscue
Thanks - I believe we sell that in our Rockler store.
Mac
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Subject: Re: charcuterie board Groove on LOM

Here's the finish Mac

On Sun, May 28, 2023, 9:53 PM M.W.Foscue mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net)> wrote:
Tim,

Very nice!  Your "

finished result was good" needs revision: Should be "finished result was 
Excellent!"What is the wood you made it from?  Cedar?  Hemlock?  Cyprus?
And what finish did you apply? (brand  specifics - like Walrus Oil applied 
w/a cloth; or used a 3M-type Scotchbright pad; etc.)

Thanks for sharing.
Mac
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To: LOM Group mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com)>
Subject: charcuterie board Groove on LOM

Found a good use of my LOM this week on a job and it worked extremely well. 
used 2 Rockler hold downs and to LOM mounting hubs to hold it in place. 
Mounted my stops on the rails to control my length of the groove. I manually 
controlled the Router and Carriage to minimize burning.
As you can see the finished result was good. 
Kind Regards,Timothy J. Ziegler








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Re: charcuterie board Groove on LOM

2023-05-28 Thread M.W.Foscue
Tim,

Very nice!  Your "
finished result was good" needs revision: Should be "finished result was 
Excellent!"What is the wood you made it from?  Cedar?  Hemlock?  Cyprus?
And what finish did you apply? (brand  specifics - like Walrus Oil applied 
w/a cloth; or used a 3M-type Scotchbright pad; etc.)

Thanks for sharing.
Mac
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From: 
Sent: May 28, 2023 2:55 PM
To: LOM Group , Tim Ziegler 

Subject: charcuterie board Groove on LOM

Found a good use of my LOM this week on a job and it worked extremely well. 
used 2 Rockler hold downs and to LOM mounting hubs to hold it in place. 
Mounted my stops on the rails to control my length of the groove. I manually 
controlled the Router and Carriage to minimize burning.
As you can see the finished result was good. 
Kind Regards,Timothy J. Ziegler






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Re: Bone Turning extra length Handle

2023-05-28 Thread M.W.Foscue
Tim,
Very nice; interesting size.
Thanks for sharing.
Mac
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Subject: Bone Turning extra length Handle

Good evening, I did a little bone turning myself today. Glued up the discs with 
CA glue and accelerator and 
left it in the vise overnight. 
Will more than likely be a magnifying glass handle. 
It has a brass tube through the center. 
Only one start on the rope part of it. 
Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty
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Foreston MN 56330
 
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Re: Sunday/Monday Bone (Legacy model 200)

2023-05-22 Thread M.W.Foscue
Curtis,

Thanks.
I always enjoy seeing your "bone creations" - they are REALLY NICE!

Thanks for sharing.
Mac
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Subject: Re: Sunday/Monday Bone (Legacy model 200)

Hey guys. 
I posted the photo's of the bones that I turned today.
but did not post what I figured out about the bone slipping on the mandrel .
The O ring idea worked OK but it was completely destroyed after the first 
turning.
I then tried a stainless steel lock washer. and wedged it between two spacers 
on the mandrel. 
this seemed to work, Im not done testing this idea out yet, but I did not slip 
on any of the other two turnings that I did today. 
The biggest trick was finding the right size  lock washer. 1/4" is to big and 
#10 is to small.  I found one that fit very nicely, but at
this time I do not know the exact size of this lock washer. Perhaps #12, or 
some metric washer??? I will find out more and get 
back with you all.
all that I can tell you at this min. is it The washer was in a jar that I put 
SS parts in after I take things apart. (mostly Medical equipment that was put 
in the trash at work.)
Yes I do save all /most of my SS (Stainless Steel) parts (brass  gears 
to.) that I get when scrapping out parts at work.
 
Have a good night.
 
C.A.G.
 
P.S.
Check out this pix. Not everything always turns out as planed. ;-P


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Re: Slab Flattening discussions

2023-04-20 Thread M.W.Foscue
I don't know.

I do remember that when we last had a BIG "Woodworking Show" here - Woodpeckers 
was demoing theirs and there was one being demonstrated by another company.  I 
don't now who that was.

Have a Fabulous Friday.
Mac
.  No idea who is sw-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Apr 20, 2023 10:51 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Slab Flattening discussions

Our wood working group Central Minnesota WoodWorkers have one. I'd have to look 
to see which brand but its big. Does Tru Track make one?
Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell






On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 8:18 PM M.W.Foscue mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net)> wrote:
Michael,

Thanks. 
Your analysis of the total cost of ownership for a slab mill are spot on. 
When it comes to when I think I want to flatten a slab - those points you 
mentioned are the ones I have come to be using in my weighing what to do.  
Thanks again for pointing them out.  Have yet to "pull the trigger" on one.

Does anyone else in our LOM Group own or have access to a Slab Flattening Mill?

You are VERY FORTUNATE to have those resources so close/convenient to you.
Count yourself VERY BLESSED!
Mac

-Original Message-
From: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Sent: Apr 20, 2023 10:21 AM
To: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Subject: Re: Slab Flattening discussions

Mac,The response was to the Crafted Elements mill posted by Craig.
I farm my slabs out to be flattened and sanded as I noted for $1 sq ft. 
The Woodpeckers slab flattener I believe  is the best but at $1500 total cost 
its too expensive not including the cost of the router, bits and dust 
collection, electricity,  not to mention the dedicated space it requires.

Michael Kratky
119 Riverview Rd., 
Northville, N.Y. 12134
 
518 863-2821
text 518 207-7247
 
Email;
krat...@roadrunner.com (mailto:krat...@roadrunner.com)
 


On Apr 20, 2023, at 9:57 AM, M.W.Foscue mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net)> wrote:

Hello Michael and Curtis (and all the rest of The LOM Group),

I changed the SUBJ line - so further discussions re: Slab Flattening can be 
found via search.

Thank you both for the informative input.

Michael, are some of your comments regarding the flattening "kit" from Craft 
Elements? 
Sounds like from your experience the round rails flex.  Did I understand that 
correctly?
The only slab flattening mill I am somewhat familiar with is the one made by 
Woodpeckers Tools.  They do not use round rails - rather somewhat of a hybrid.

Would you mind sharing some photos of your setup? (Is it from Craft Elements or 
did you assemble yours from components you ordered from the internet - like 
Curtis, Bill, and Tim Z have done?)

Thanks again for participating in our discussions.  Your comments/input are 
what keep us going.

Mac
-Original Message-
From: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Sent: Apr 20, 2023 8:03 AM
To: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Subject: Re: Could be a Legacy MOD?


Have been following this  slab mill for some time.  Most all the 
components can be bought on Amazon for 1/3, the round router rails flex  and 
the listed size is too small for my slabs I mill myself 32 x 102, 
to accommodate that size the price doubles from the base package and hes 
always out of them.   
For anything up to 24 wide I have helical head  planer for that and used 
a flattening sled to take out the twists. 
 
Also have a saw mill 30 minutes away with a Wood-Mizer combo flattening mill 
and sander who charges me $1 sg ft to flatten and sand the slabs that includes 
both sides.

Michael Kratky

On Apr 20, 2023, at 1:07 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> wrote:
Just saw this...Bagging to make into a Supper Legacy unit. ;-)
 
C.A.G.
 
https://craftedelements.com/products/router-sled-wood-slab-flattening-mill?variant=43935550537950
 
Router Sled - Wood Slab Flattening MillSKU CE-RS-48X40-BUNDLE-U1$499 USD

48x40" / Universal 1 - $499.00  
  48x40" / Festool - $499.0048x40" 
/ Blank (Drill It Yourself) - $499.0048x48" 
/ Universal 1 - $507.0048x48" / Festool - 
$507.0048x48" / Blank (Drill It Yourself) - 
$507.0048x60" [Restock Late April] / 
Universal 1 - Sold out48x60" [Restock Late 
April] / Festool - Sold out48x60" [Restock 
Late April] / Blank (Drill It Yourself) - Sold out  
  72x40" [Restock Late April] / Universal 1 - Sold out  
  72x40" [Restock Late April] / Festool - Sold o

Re: Slab Flattening discussions

2023-04-20 Thread M.W.Foscue
Michael,

Thanks. 
Your analysis of the total cost of ownership for a slab mill are spot on. 
When it comes to when I think I want to flatten a slab - those points you 
mentioned are the ones I have come to be using in my weighing what to do.  
Thanks again for pointing them out.  Have yet to "pull the trigger" on one.

Does anyone else in our LOM Group own or have access to a Slab Flattening Mill?

You are VERY FORTUNATE to have those resources so close/convenient to you.
Count yourself VERY BLESSED!
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Apr 20, 2023 10:21 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: Slab Flattening discussions

Mac,The response was to the Crafted Elements mill posted by Craig.
I farm my slabs out to be flattened and sanded as I noted for $1 sq ft. 
The Woodpeckers slab flattener I believe  is the best but at $1500 total cost 
its too expensive not including the cost of the router, bits and dust 
collection, electricity,  not to mention the dedicated space it requires.

Michael Kratky
119 Riverview Rd., 
Northville, N.Y. 12134
 
518 863-2821
text 518 207-7247
 
Email;
krat...@roadrunner.com
 


On Apr 20, 2023, at 9:57 AM, M.W.Foscue  wrote:
Hello Michael and Curtis (and all the rest of The LOM Group),

I changed the SUBJ line - so further discussions re: Slab Flattening can be 
found via search.

Thank you both for the informative input.

Michael, are some of your comments regarding the flattening "kit" from Craft 
Elements? 
Sounds like from your experience the round rails flex.  Did I understand that 
correctly?
The only slab flattening mill I am somewhat familiar with is the one made by 
Woodpeckers Tools.  They do not use round rails - rather somewhat of a hybrid.

Would you mind sharing some photos of your setup? (Is it from Craft Elements or 
did you assemble yours from components you ordered from the internet - like 
Curtis, Bill, and Tim Z have done?)

Thanks again for participating in our discussions.  Your comments/input are 
what keep us going.

Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Apr 20, 2023 8:03 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: Could be a Legacy MOD?


Have been following this  slab mill for some time.  Most all the 
components can be bought on Amazon for 1/3, the round router rails flex  and 
the listed size is too small for my slabs I mill myself 32 x 102, 
to accommodate that size the price doubles from the base package and hes 
always out of them.   
For anything up to 24 wide I have helical head  planer for that and used 
a flattening sled to take out the twists. 
 
Also have a saw mill 30 minutes away with a Wood-Mizer combo flattening mill 
and sander who charges me $1 sg ft to flatten and sand the slabs that includes 
both sides.

Michael Kratky

On Apr 20, 2023, at 1:07 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
Just saw this...Bagging to make into a Supper Legacy unit. ;-)
 
C.A.G.
 
https://craftedelements.com/products/router-sled-wood-slab-flattening-mill?variant=43935550537950
 
Router Sled - Wood Slab Flattening MillSKU CE-RS-48X40-BUNDLE-U1$499 USD

48x40" / Universal 1 - $499.00  
  48x40" / Festool - $499.0048x40" 
/ Blank (Drill It Yourself) - $499.0048x48" 
/ Universal 1 - $507.0048x48" / Festool - 
$507.0048x48" / Blank (Drill It Yourself) - 
$507.0048x60" [Restock Late April] / 
Universal 1 - Sold out48x60" [Restock Late 
April] / Festool - Sold out48x60" [Restock 
Late April] / Blank (Drill It Yourself) - Sold out  
  72x40" [Restock Late April] / Universal 1 - Sold out  
  72x40" [Restock Late April] / Festool - Sold out  
  72x40" [Restock Late April] / Blank (Drill It Yourself) - 
Sold out72x48" [Restock Late April] / 
Universal 1 - Sold out72x48" [Restock Late 
April] / Festool - Sold out72x48" [Restock 
Late April] / Blank (Drill It Yourself) - Sold out  
  72x60" [Restock Late April] / Universal 1 - Sold out  
  72x60" [Restock Late April] / Festool - Sold out  
  72x60" [Restock Late April] / Blank (Drill It Yourself) - 
Sold out96x40" / Universal 1 - $676.00  
  96x40" / Festool - $676.00
96x40" / Blank (Drill It Yourself) - $676.00
96x48" / Universal 1 - $684.00  

Slab Flattening discussions

2023-04-20 Thread M.W.Foscue
Hello Michael and Curtis (and all the rest of The LOM Group),

I changed the SUBJ line - so further discussions re: Slab Flattening can be 
found via search.

Thank you both for the informative input.

Michael, are some of your comments regarding the flattening "kit" from Craft 
Elements? 
Sounds like from your experience the round rails flex.  Did I understand that 
correctly?
The only slab flattening mill I am somewhat familiar with is the one made by 
Woodpeckers Tools.  They do not use round rails - rather somewhat of a hybrid.

Would you mind sharing some photos of your setup? (Is it from Craft Elements or 
did you assemble yours from components you ordered from the internet - like 
Curtis, Bill, and Tim Z have done?)

Thanks again for participating in our discussions.  Your comments/input are 
what keep us going.

Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Apr 20, 2023 8:03 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: Could be a Legacy MOD?

Have been following this  slab mill for some time.  Most all the 
components can be bought on Amazon for 1/3, the round router rails flex  and 
the listed size is too small for my slabs I mill myself 32 x 102, 
to accommodate that size the price doubles from the base package and hes 
always out of them.   
For anything up to 24 wide I have helical head  planer for that and used 
a flattening sled to take out the twists. 
 
Also have a saw mill 30 minutes away with a Wood-Mizer combo flattening mill 
and sander who charges me $1 sg ft to flatten and sand the slabs that includes 
both sides.

Michael Kratky

On Apr 20, 2023, at 1:07 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
Just saw this...Bagging to make into a Supper Legacy unit. ;-)
 
C.A.G.
 
https://craftedelements.com/products/router-sled-wood-slab-flattening-mill?variant=43935550537950
 
Router Sled - Wood Slab Flattening MillSKU CE-RS-48X40-BUNDLE-U1$499 USD

48x40" / Universal 1 - $499.00  
  48x40" / Festool - $499.0048x40" 
/ Blank (Drill It Yourself) - $499.0048x48" 
/ Universal 1 - $507.0048x48" / Festool - 
$507.0048x48" / Blank (Drill It Yourself) - 
$507.0048x60" [Restock Late April] / 
Universal 1 - Sold out48x60" [Restock Late 
April] / Festool - Sold out48x60" [Restock 
Late April] / Blank (Drill It Yourself) - Sold out  
  72x40" [Restock Late April] / Universal 1 - Sold out  
  72x40" [Restock Late April] / Festool - Sold out  
  72x40" [Restock Late April] / Blank (Drill It Yourself) - 
Sold out72x48" [Restock Late April] / 
Universal 1 - Sold out72x48" [Restock Late 
April] / Festool - Sold out72x48" [Restock 
Late April] / Blank (Drill It Yourself) - Sold out  
  72x60" [Restock Late April] / Universal 1 - Sold out  
  72x60" [Restock Late April] / Festool - Sold out  
  72x60" [Restock Late April] / Blank (Drill It Yourself) - 
Sold out96x40" / Universal 1 - $676.00  
  96x40" / Festool - $676.00
96x40" / Blank (Drill It Yourself) - $676.00
96x48" / Universal 1 - $684.00
96x48" / Festool - $684.0096x48" / Blank 
(Drill It Yourself) - $684.0096x60" 
[Restock Late April] / Universal 1 - Sold out   
 96x60" [Restock Late April] / Festool - Sold out   
 96x60" [Restock Late April] / Blank (Drill It Yourself) - Sold out 
   120x40" [Restock Late April] / Universal 1 - Sold 
out120x40" [Restock Late April] / Festool - 
Sold out120x40" [Restock Late April] / 
Blank (Drill It Yourself) - Sold out120x48" 
[Restock Late April] / Universal 1 - Sold out   
 120x48" [Restock Late April] / Festool - Sold out  
  120x48" [Restock Late April] / Blank (Drill It Yourself) - Sold out   
 120x60" [Restock Late April] / Universal 1 - Sold 
out120x60" [Restock Late April] / Festool - 
Sold out120x60" [Restock Late April] / 
Blank (Drill It Yourself) - Sold out144x40" 
[Restock Late 

RE: very fine spiral

2023-04-14 Thread M.W.Foscue
Roger,

Greetings.
We have not heard from you in quite a while.
Is everything ok with you and yours?

Hope so.
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Mar 9, 2020 9:45 AM
To: Michael Kratky , Legacy Group 

Subject: RE: very fine spiral

Hi Michael​
Thank you for giving credit to Stuart Mortimer who is a Master Turner of The 
Worshipful Company of Turners in the City of London, a trade guild whose 
history goes back to the 1200s  https://turnersco.com/ . 
I am lucky enough to know Stuart, he has even endeavored to teach me to turn 
properly and his workshop is full of unfinished spirals etc, he also has a 
Legacy Model 1200. 
I was a member of the Stuart Mortimer Woodturning Club which was affiliated to 
the Association of Woodturners of Great Britain (AWGB) which is akin to the 
AAW. The club closed two years ago when Stuart's wife Linda died suddenly. 
Because Stuart had many friends around the world through wood turning we were 
lucky enough to have them visit  the club which meet in Stuart's workshop. I 
have attached a picture of one of Stuart's latest boxes he was making when 
Linda died, apparently she loved this particular style of box and it has the 
signature Stuart twist finial in silver. Stuart turned  the finial in wood then 
had a jewellery maker produce them in silver, there is also some silver/pewter 
work on the main body of the box.
Regards
Roger Phebey


​

​
From: Michael Kratky
Received: 09/03/2020 12:34:36 +00:00
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com

To give proper credit this fellow is the one he copied:
http://stuartmortimer.com/
 
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Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2020 8:07 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: very fine spiral


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6r1Lqodo5U
 
this would be a test of our skills on the legacy try and make this
 
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Re: Drive motor on my Revo

2023-04-14 Thread M.W.Foscue
Yes.
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Apr 14, 2023 8:31 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Drive motor on my Revo

Hello and Good morning everyone.  Just a question on this posting.  Is everyone 
receiving these postings?After talking (private e-mail) It was suggested that 
perhaps many of the others in the group were not seeing everything.
 
So I decided to use Tim's Revo motor posting to double check the settings. 
 
Could everyone, Please reply if you do.   a simple YES would do.
 
Thank you.
 
C.A.G.


On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 3:06:58 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
Well after waiting and putting things off, I finally put the drive motor and 
controls on to my Revo. Though I will be changing somethings at least now
i have it so I can use it with a drive. 
Not wild about chain drive but it works until I come up with something else. 
I still need mounting plates for the micro switches but sure opens up a lot 
of possibilities with a drive. I now have 4 of my machines with drives. and 2 
manual machines. 
Comments or questions??? 
Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 (tel:(320)%20294-5798) shop
320-630-2243 (tel:(320)%20630-2243) cell







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Re: Legacy Maverick 3x5 CNC $13,000

2023-04-09 Thread M.W.Foscue
Thank you.

-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Apr 9, 2023 2:05 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Legacy Maverick 3x5 CNC $13,000

Extras are just that, extras.Mobility kit and the vac table are both add-ons. 


On Sun, Apr 9, 2023, 11:38 AM M.W.Foscue mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net)> wrote:
John,

Thank you.
I knew you would know.
Are the "extras" that are mentioned in the FB post (vacuum table pump and 
mobile wheel kit) add-on's for the current Mavrick - or are they included in 
basic price?

Happy Easter to you and yours.
Mac

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Sent: Apr 9, 2023 1:20 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com) 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Subject: Re: Legacy Maverick 3x5 CNC $13,000

Turning is on the side  10 inch diameter max

On Sun, Apr 9, 2023, 10:32 AM M.W.Foscue mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net)> wrote:
Back when that Maverick was made - did it have the capability to do "Turnings" 
on the side?

Or is it "flat bed" only milling?

Mac

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Sent: Apr 9, 2023 12:29 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com) 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Subject: Re: Legacy Maverick 3x5 CNC $13,000

 
Thank you John.
 
I had no idea on what Legacy sold there new machines for.
 
C.A.G.
 

On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 12:25:23 AM EDT, John Hennen mailto:john.hen...@gmail.com)> wrote:
 
 
A new one is 19k
On Sat, Apr 8, 2023, 12:42 AM Joseph Greenleaf mailto:solastob...@gmail.com)> wrote:
Youre welcome. I think thats about  the price of a new 
one. It looks like new. 
 
Joe G
On Fri, Apr 7, 2023 at 11:24 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> wrote:
 
Wow! that quite a machine!
Thanks for sharing. 
 
Please don't laugh at me, but I would love to get my hands on one 
of those machines, Not for the CNC, but to re-work this machine back 
into a manual machine.
The quality/ Linear bearings and robust steel frame, would put to shame
any earlier Legacy manual machines.  
That would be a project that I would love to do. ;-)
 
C.A.G.
 

 


On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 12:07:18 AM EDT, Joseph Greenleaf 
mailto:solastob...@gmail.com)> wrote:



 





This is on Facebook Marketplace for SE Texas, Columbus, Texas, area, in case 
anyone is interested. 
 
Joe G. 
 
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1169675033720339/?mibextid=6ojiHh


















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Re: Legacy Maverick 3x5 CNC $13,000

2023-04-09 Thread M.W.Foscue
John,

Thank you.
I knew you would know.
Are the "extras" that are mentioned in the FB post (vacuum table pump and 
mobile wheel kit) add-on's for the current Mavrick - or are they included in 
basic price?

Happy Easter to you and yours.
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Apr 9, 2023 1:20 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Legacy Maverick 3x5 CNC $13,000

Turning is on the side  10 inch diameter max

On Sun, Apr 9, 2023, 10:32 AM M.W.Foscue mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net)> wrote:
Back when that Maverick was made - did it have the capability to do "Turnings" 
on the side?

Or is it "flat bed" only milling?

Mac

-Original Message-
From: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Sent: Apr 9, 2023 12:29 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com) 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Subject: Re: Legacy Maverick 3x5 CNC $13,000

 
Thank you John.
 
I had no idea on what Legacy sold there new machines for.
 
C.A.G.
 

On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 12:25:23 AM EDT, John Hennen mailto:john.hen...@gmail.com)> wrote:
 
 
A new one is 19k
On Sat, Apr 8, 2023, 12:42 AM Joseph Greenleaf mailto:solastob...@gmail.com)> wrote:
Youre welcome. I think thats about  the price of a new 
one. It looks like new. 
 
Joe G
On Fri, Apr 7, 2023 at 11:24 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> wrote:
 
Wow! that quite a machine!
Thanks for sharing. 
 
Please don't laugh at me, but I would love to get my hands on one 
of those machines, Not for the CNC, but to re-work this machine back 
into a manual machine.
The quality/ Linear bearings and robust steel frame, would put to shame
any earlier Legacy manual machines.  
That would be a project that I would love to do. ;-)
 
C.A.G.
 

 


On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 12:07:18 AM EDT, Joseph Greenleaf 
mailto:solastob...@gmail.com)> wrote:



 





This is on Facebook Marketplace for SE Texas, Columbus, Texas, area, in case 
anyone is interested. 
 
Joe G. 
 
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1169675033720339/?mibextid=6ojiHh


















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Re: Legacy Maverick 3x5 CNC $13,000

2023-04-09 Thread M.W.Foscue
Back when that Maverick was made - did it have the capability to do "Turnings" 
on the side?

Or is it "flat bed" only milling?

Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Apr 9, 2023 12:29 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Legacy Maverick 3x5 CNC $13,000

 
Thank you John.
 
I had no idea on what Legacy sold there new machines for.
 
C.A.G.
 

On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 12:25:23 AM EDT, John Hennen 
 wrote:
 
 
A new one is 19k
On Sat, Apr 8, 2023, 12:42 AM Joseph Greenleaf mailto:solastob...@gmail.com)> wrote:
Youre welcome. I think thats about  the price of a new 
one. It looks like new. 
 
Joe G
On Fri, Apr 7, 2023 at 11:24 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> wrote:
 
Wow! that quite a machine!
Thanks for sharing. 
 
Please don't laugh at me, but I would love to get my hands on one 
of those machines, Not for the CNC, but to re-work this machine back 
into a manual machine.
The quality/ Linear bearings and robust steel frame, would put to shame
any earlier Legacy manual machines.  
That would be a project that I would love to do. ;-)
 
C.A.G.
 

 


On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 12:07:18 AM EDT, Joseph Greenleaf 
mailto:solastob...@gmail.com)> wrote:



 





This is on Facebook Marketplace for SE Texas, Columbus, Texas, area, in case 
anyone is interested. 
 
Joe G. 
 
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1169675033720339/?mibextid=6ojiHh

















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Re: Legacy Design Kit

2023-03-27 Thread M.W.Foscue
Welcome Denis!

That helps ot avoid confusion.  LoL!
Thanks for joining into The Group.

What LOM do you have?

Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Mar 26, 2023 8:47 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Legacy Design Kit

My first name is Tim, but I'm good with people calling me by my second name, 
Denis, that's pronounced Den E. 
Take care 
Denis 
Hamilton Ontario Canada  


On Sun, Mar 19, 2023, 10:43 p.m. mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:
Obviously it will be Tim Kn 
 
Bill
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com) 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Monday, 20 March 2023 12:11 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)
Subject: Re: Legacy Design Kit

 
Ok "Tims" - 
We need to get ya'll's "names" (what we are going to refer to you as) worked 
out sooner than later.
We started with Tim Krause (Tim K) - then added Tim Ziegler (Tim Z). 
Now that we have another Tim K (Knight) - we will depend upon ya'll to work out 
what Tim Knight
will be referred to as. (Tim K2?)
Mac



-Original Message-
From: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Sent: Mar 19, 2023 8:06 PM
To: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Subject: Re: Legacy Design Kit
 
Tim Z thanks for the welcome actually my name is also Tim Knight my wife and I 
share the google account we do a lot of crafts together so we use the same 
accounts to communicate with other so we dont over look each 
others orders when they come up. But Im the only one that uses 
the Legacy 1200. The account is under her name but I dont mine if you 
call me out as Kelly because I have seen a few Tims around on here. Just 
like my work we have 3 Tims there also better known as Tim 1, Tim 2 and 
Tim 3, Im know as Tim 1 since Ive been there the longest.

 
On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 6:01 AM Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com)> wrote:

Hey Kelly welcome and thanks for stepping up to the plate to help those out.  

Kind Regards, 
 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty

14171 160th Ave. 
(https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmailsource=g)

Foreston MN 56330 
(https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmailsource=g)

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell






 
 

On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 11:16 PM Kelly Knight mailto:tkms...@gmail.com)> wrote:


 

If someone has DWG or DXF files I can convert them into just about any format 
that is needed. I use AutoCAD just about every day. If anyone wants to send me 
the file to convert, be glad to help.

 
On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 6:54 AM Cole Andrews mailto:coleandrew...@gmail.com)> wrote:

i will make copies at work , dont have a scanner at home , be glad to
mail it to you.

On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 10:01 PM M.W.Foscue mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net)> wrote:
>
> Cole,
>
> Do you happen to have a copy of the "3 - Router Bit Keys for easy 
> identification of the bits"?
>
> If so, are they something that can be emailed or snail-mailed?  If they are, 
> I'd like to work something out with you to get a copy.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mac
>
> 
>
> -Original Message-
> From:  (mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
> Sent: Mar 14, 2023 7:34 PM
> To:  (mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
> Subject: Re: Legacy Design Kit
>
>
>
> Nat can email me so I can get his address.. mine is
> coleandrew...@gmail.com (mailto:coleandrew...@gmail.com)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 13, 2023, at 9:45 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
> (mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au) wrote:
>
> Your right mac there isnt anything about a piece of plexiglass I guess 
> thats why I dont know anything about it lol
>
>
>
> The other thing that the design kit doesnt have which need making is 
> templates for all the combination bits
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
> (mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com) 
>  (mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 March 2023 11:59 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
> (mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)
> Subject: RE: Legacy Design Kit
>
>
>
> According to the below images of the Design Kit - it states "The Legacy 
> Design Kit consists of:
>
> and it lists the components.  Nowhere in that list is any mention of a "blank 
> sheet of plexiglas".
>
> I suspect it was something the earlier owner added/used(?) - but was not a 
> component of the kit when purchased new.
>
>
>
> Does anyon

Re:  Couple of Bunkys just started a Premiere: Legacy Ornamental Mill Making a rope twist cane #walkingstick

2023-03-27 Thread M.W.Foscue
Tim K2,
Yep - looks like you were able to rectify the issue.
Lots better!
Best of luck for your roll out.
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Mar 27, 2023 10:03 AM
To: 
Subject: Re:  Couple of Bunkys just started a Premiere: Legacy Ornamental Mill 
Making a rope twist cane #walkingstick

Thanks for the heads up "As an FYI - I clicked the link and the page it took me 
to appears to have the photo upside down"   Thumbnails are a pain and an 
important I updated the thumb with some Humor Take a look and see if it looks 
better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtqZ7HsvA5Mauthuser=0

On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 9:15 PM M.W.Foscue mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net)> wrote:
Tim W.,

Thank you for your kind note to The Group (manual LOM owners).
And thanks for the link to the video you will be releasing.
As an FYI - I clicked the link and the page it took me to appears to have the 
photo upside down(?).  (Perhaps rotate it 180 degrees?)
You may want to check it before releasing it live next week.
I'm sure all of us in The Group are looking forward to your link going "live".

Have a Wonderful weekend.
Mac

-Original Message-
From: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Sent: Mar 24, 2023 3:11 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Subject: Re:  Couple of Bunkys just started a Premiere: Legacy Ornamental Mill 
Making a rope twist cane #walkingstick

Hi this Is Tim with from couple of bunkys I hope It is ok We will be releasing 
a video next Thursday on turning desk legs On our Legacy Ornamental Mill. We 
took a lot of the suggestions members in this group had pointed out and we gave 
out a shout-out and shared a link to the support group on the website. 
Hopefully encouraging more people to find this amazing machine. Here is a link 
to the upcoming video https://youtu.be/TtqZ7HsvA5M. I would appreciate it if 
you made comments on this group could you also make the same comments on our 
video so people that are not in this group can learn too?  
Thank you Tim Woodard


On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 10:07:01 PM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:
right?
Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler




On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 1:44 PM Dan Krager  wrote:

Bill, your videos would be all the more fun if the subtitles had an Ausse 
accent too! 
Keep up the good work.




Timothy Lee Woodard


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Re:  Couple of Bunkys just started a Premiere: Legacy Ornamental Mill Making a rope twist cane #walkingstick

2023-03-24 Thread M.W.Foscue
Tim W.,

Thank you for your kind note to The Group (manual LOM owners).
And thanks for the link to the video you will be releasing.
As an FYI - I clicked the link and the page it took me to appears to have the 
photo upside down(?).  (Perhaps rotate it 180 degrees?)
You may want to check it before releasing it live next week.
I'm sure all of us in The Group are looking forward to your link going "live".

Have a Wonderful weekend.
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Mar 24, 2023 3:11 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re:  Couple of Bunkys just started a Premiere: Legacy Ornamental Mill 
Making a rope twist cane #walkingstick

Hi this Is Tim with from couple of bunkys I hope It is ok We will be releasing 
a video next Thursday on turning desk legs On our Legacy Ornamental Mill. We 
took a lot of the suggestions members in this group had pointed out and we gave 
out a shout-out and shared a link to the support group on the website. 
Hopefully encouraging more people to find this amazing machine. Here is a link 
to the upcoming video https://youtu.be/TtqZ7HsvA5M. I would appreciate it if 
you made comments on this group could you also make the same comments on our 
video so people that are not in this group can learn too?  
Thank you Tim Woodard


On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 10:07:01 PM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:
right?
Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler




On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 1:44 PM Dan Krager  wrote:

Bill, your videos would be all the more fun if the subtitles had an Ausse 
accent too! 
Keep up the good work, man.
DanK



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Re: Re ShopSmith topic

2023-03-22 Thread M.W.Foscue
Dan and Bill,
Thank you bothfor your input.
If I were to get 5 woodworkers together and ask a ww-related question, I'd get 
at leats 6 opinions!  LoL!!
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Mar 22, 2023 7:57 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Re ShopSmith topic

I have had ShopSmith bandsaws in my shop as long as I've had a wood shop, which 
amounts to over 50 years, IIRC. Until I got a big bandsaw about 15 years ago 
(which has bearings) the ShopSmith did everything but resaw work.  Now the SS 
does the finer work. Having set the scene, I have no ambition to put bearings 
on the little saw. I wear the teeth off before anything else happens and I 
don't notice the blade getting hot. I've had the current saw some 40 years and 
have yet to change out the blocks.  Set correctly and used gently, they last 
nigh on forever. IMHO bearings on a small saw are over rated, so it's a matter 
of personal preference. It's really hard to imagine how bearings would work on 
a 1/8" bandsaw blade. 
DanK  

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 1:31:59 AM UTC-4 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
Brigitte
 I dont have a shop smith but I do have the carter blade guide rollers 
on one of my band saws
A very good product much better than the blocks I wont ever go back. for 
all things bandsaw Alex Snodgrass is the man
Here he is showing you how to set up your roller guides from carter products 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGbZqWac0jUt=199sab_channel=thewoodworkingshows
 
I hope that helps
 
Bill


 
From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brigitte Graham
Sent: Wednesday, 22 March 2023 9:18 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills 
Subject: Re ShopSmith topic

 
Hello Everyone,

If there's no objection, I'd like to talk to your collective ShopSmith heads!!

Have any of you tried the roller bladesaw guides from www.carterproducts.com 
(http://www.carterproducts.com) 
(www.carterproducts.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=+shopsmith+bandsaw+guides 
(http://www.carterproducts.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=+shopsmith+bandsaw+guides))
  as an upgrade from the solid cool blocks SS are supplied with?

Thanks for your time

Legacy Widow






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Re: Legacy Design Kit

2023-03-19 Thread M.W.Foscue
#1: TK (Krause)
#2: TZ (Ziegler)
#3: TK2 (Knight)
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Mar 19, 2023 9:19 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Legacy Design Kit

yup or through a middle initial in there, have to do something simple lol. Kind 
Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell





On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:10 PM M.W.Foscue mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net)> wrote:
Ok "Tims" -
We need to get ya'll's "names" (what we are going to refer to you as) worked 
out sooner than later.
We started with Tim Krause (Tim K) - then added Tim Ziegler (Tim Z). 
Now that we have another Tim K (Knight) - we will depend upon ya'll to work out 
what Tim Knight
will be referred to as. (Tim K2?)
Mac

-Original Message-
From: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Sent: Mar 19, 2023 8:06 PM
To: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Subject: Re: Legacy Design Kit

Tim Z thanks for the welcome actually my name is also Tim Knight my wife and I 
share the google account we do a lot of crafts together so we use the same 
accounts to communicate with other so we dont over look each 
others orders when they come up. But Im the only one that uses 
the Legacy 1200. The account is under her name but I dont mine if you 
call me out as Kelly because I have seen a few Tims around on here. Just 
like my work we have 3 Tims there also better known as Tim 1, Tim 2 and 
Tim 3, Im know as Tim 1 since Ive been there the longest.

On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 6:01 AM Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com)> wrote:
Hey Kelly welcome and thanks for stepping up to the plate to help those out. 
Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty
14171 160th Ave. 
(https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmailsource=g)
Foreston MN 56330 
(https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmailsource=g)
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell






 
On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 11:16 PM Kelly Knight mailto:tkms...@gmail.com)> wrote:

 
If someone has DWG or DXF files I can convert them into just about any format 
that is needed. I use AutoCAD just about every day. If anyone wants to send me 
the file to convert, be glad to help.

On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 6:54 AM Cole Andrews mailto:coleandrew...@gmail.com)> wrote:
i will make copies at work , dont have a scanner at home , be glad to
mail it to you.

On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 10:01 PM M.W.Foscue mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net)> wrote:
>
> Cole,
>
> Do you happen to have a copy of the "3 - Router Bit Keys for easy 
> identification of the bits"?
>
> If so, are they something that can be emailed or snail-mailed?  If they are, 
> I'd like to work something out with you to get a copy.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mac
>
> 
>
> -Original Message-
> From:  (mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
> Sent: Mar 14, 2023 7:34 PM
> To:  (mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
> Subject: Re: Legacy Design Kit
>
>
>
> Nat can email me so I can get his address.. mine is
> coleandrew...@gmail.com (mailto:coleandrew...@gmail.com)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 13, 2023, at 9:45 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
> (mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au) wrote:
>
> Your right mac there isnt anything about a piece of plexiglass I guess 
> thats why I dont know anything about it lol
>
>
>
> The other thing that the design kit doesnt have which need making is 
> templates for all the combination bits
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
> (mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com) 
>  (mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 March 2023 11:59 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
> (mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)
> Subject: RE: Legacy Design Kit
>
>
>
> According to the below images of the Design Kit - it states "The Legacy 
> Design Kit consists of:
>
> and it lists the components.  Nowhere in that list is any mention of a "blank 
> sheet of plexiglas".
>
> I suspect it was something the earlier owner added/used(?) - but was not a 
> component of the kit when purchased new.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have a copy of the "3 - Router Bit Keys for easy identification 
> of the bits"?
>
> A bought my Design Kit from someone in our Group - and it did not have them.
>
> I'd sure like to get a copy - if possible.
>
>
>
> The other question I have:
>
> Has anyone ever taken a Design Kit sheet (round, long rectangle, or both) to 
> a copy shop, like Staples

Re: Legacy Design Kit

2023-03-19 Thread M.W.Foscue
Ok "Tims" - 
We need to get ya'll's "names" (what we are going to refer to you as) worked 
out sooner than later.
We started with Tim Krause (Tim K) - then added Tim Ziegler (Tim Z). 
Now that we have another Tim K (Knight) - we will depend upon ya'll to work out 
what Tim Knight
will be referred to as. (Tim K2?)
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Mar 19, 2023 8:06 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Legacy Design Kit

Tim Z thanks for the welcome actually my name is also Tim Knight my wife and I 
share the google account we do a lot of crafts together so we use the same 
accounts to communicate with other so we dont over look each 
others orders when they come up. But Im the only one that uses 
the Legacy 1200. The account is under her name but I dont mine if you 
call me out as Kelly because I have seen a few Tims around on here. Just 
like my work we have 3 Tims there also better known as Tim 1, Tim 2 and 
Tim 3, Im know as Tim 1 since Ive been there the longest.

On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 6:01 AM Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com)> wrote:
Hey Kelly welcome and thanks for stepping up to the plate to help those out. 
Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty
14171 160th Ave. 
(https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmailsource=g)
Foreston MN 56330 
(https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmailsource=g)
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell






 
On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 11:16 PM Kelly Knight mailto:tkms...@gmail.com)> wrote:

 
If someone has DWG or DXF files I can convert them into just about any format 
that is needed. I use AutoCAD just about every day. If anyone wants to send me 
the file to convert, be glad to help.

On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 6:54 AM Cole Andrews mailto:coleandrew...@gmail.com)> wrote:
i will make copies at work , dont have a scanner at home , be glad to
mail it to you.

On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 10:01 PM M.W.Foscue mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net)> wrote:
>
> Cole,
>
> Do you happen to have a copy of the "3 - Router Bit Keys for easy 
> identification of the bits"?
>
> If so, are they something that can be emailed or snail-mailed?  If they are, 
> I'd like to work something out with you to get a copy.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mac
>
> 
>
> -Original Message-
> From:  (mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
> Sent: Mar 14, 2023 7:34 PM
> To:  (mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
> Subject: Re: Legacy Design Kit
>
>
>
> Nat can email me so I can get his address.. mine is
> coleandrew...@gmail.com (mailto:coleandrew...@gmail.com)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 13, 2023, at 9:45 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
> (mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au) wrote:
>
> Your right mac there isnt anything about a piece of plexiglass I guess 
> thats why I dont know anything about it lol
>
>
>
> The other thing that the design kit doesnt have which need making is 
> templates for all the combination bits
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
> (mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com) 
>  (mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 March 2023 11:59 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
> (mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)
> Subject: RE: Legacy Design Kit
>
>
>
> According to the below images of the Design Kit - it states "The Legacy 
> Design Kit consists of:
>
> and it lists the components.  Nowhere in that list is any mention of a "blank 
> sheet of plexiglas".
>
> I suspect it was something the earlier owner added/used(?) - but was not a 
> component of the kit when purchased new.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have a copy of the "3 - Router Bit Keys for easy identification 
> of the bits"?
>
> A bought my Design Kit from someone in our Group - and it did not have them.
>
> I'd sure like to get a copy - if possible.
>
>
>
> The other question I have:
>
> Has anyone ever taken a Design Kit sheet (round, long rectangle, or both) to 
> a copy shop, like Staples, FedEx, etc. and had copies made?  If so, how'd 
> they turn out and what was the cost?
>
>
>
> Here's an early "Happy St Patrick's Day" wish to all of ya'll!!
>
> Mac
>
> 
> 
>
> -Original Message-
> From:  (mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
> Sent: Mar 13, 2023 5:27 PM
> To:  (mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
> Subject: RE: Legacy Design Kit
>
>
>
> Thats great Cole Im

Re: Go Big or Go Home!

2023-03-14 Thread M.W.Foscue
Every day is "peanut butter day" for me. 
I love the ones made with honey roasted peanuts.
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Mar 14, 2023 11:17 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Go Big or Go Home!

Yeah I heard it was PIE day but no one baked me one lol. 
It was also national Peanut Butter day!
Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell






On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 10:15 PM M.W.Foscue mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net)> wrote:
Tim,
Are you able to replicate his "Twist" on your mill?
Happy Pi Day!  (Hint: it has to do with mathetics. and the fact that today is 
March 14th; 3.14)
Mac

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To: Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Subject: Go Big or Go Home!

i saw this video posted on my sawmill forum today.  Biggest spiral cut I have 
ever seen.
 
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CouLgvJv29J/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjy%3D
 

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Re: Go Big or Go Home!

2023-03-14 Thread M.W.Foscue
Tim,
Are you able to replicate his "Twist" on your mill?
Happy Pi Day!  (Hint: it has to do with mathetics. and the fact that today is 
March 14th; 3.14)
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Mar 14, 2023 9:06 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Go Big or Go Home!

i saw this video posted on my sawmill forum today.  Biggest spiral cut I have 
ever seen.
 
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CouLgvJv29J/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjy%3D
 

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Re: Legacy Design Kit

2023-03-14 Thread M.W.Foscue
Cole,
Do you happen to have a copy of the "3 - Router Bit Keys for easy 
identification of the bits"?
If so, are they something that can be emailed or snail-mailed?  If they are, 
I'd like to work something out with you to get a copy.
Thanks.
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Mar 14, 2023 7:34 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Legacy Design Kit

Nat can email me so I can get his address.. mine iscoleandrew...@gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 13, 2023, at 9:45 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:


Your right mac there isnt anything about a piece of plexiglass I guess 
thats why I dont know anything about it lol
 
The other thing that the design kit doesnt have which need making is 
templates for all the combination bits 

 

 
Bill
 
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Tuesday, 14 March 2023 11:59 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Legacy Design Kit


According to the below images of the Design Kit - it states "The Legacy Design 
Kit consists of:
and it lists the components.  Nowhere in that list is any mention of a "blank 
sheet of plexiglas".
I suspect it was something the earlier owner added/used(?) - but was not a 
component of the kit when purchased new.
 
Does anyone have a copy of the "3 - Router Bit Keys for easy identification of 
the bits"?
A bought my Design Kit from someone in our Group - and it did not have them.
I'd sure like to get a copy - if possible.
 
The other question I have: 
Has anyone ever taken a Design Kit sheet (round, long rectangle, or both) to a 
copy shop, like Staples, FedEx, etc. and had copies made?  If so, how'd they 
turn out and what was the cost?
 
Here's an early "Happy St Patrick's Day" wish to all of ya'll!!
Mac



-Original Message-
From: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Sent: Mar 13, 2023 5:27 PM
To: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Subject: RE: Legacy Design Kit

Thats great Cole Im sure Nat will be contacting you soon ,you 
know I still dont know what the large blank sheet of plexiglass
Is for, maybe its just to keep the paper from getting creases in it ???
 
Bill
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com) 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> On Behalf Of Cole Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, 14 March 2023 3:25 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)
Subject: Re: Legacy Design Kit


I might have some extra templates , when I bought mine they sent extra of some 
and none of the others , took awhile to get straight.


On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 12:06 AM Nathaniel Bacon mailto:natbac...@gmail.com)> wrote:

To all "Google Legacy Group" members:



Included in a recent purchase was a box labeled "Design Kit".  The kit only 
contained:
One large blank sheet of plexiglass

Three 50-page pads of 11" x 39" spindle layout graph paper
Two -- square pads of 13" round layout paper



Missing were:

The three clear acrylic templates

The 12 sample designs

The "How-to-do" VHS Tape



Question:

If I provide the large paper, would one of the members be willing to copy the 
clear acrylic templates onto the paper?   From there I would make the templates.



Also, if I provide the large paper, would one of the members be willing to copy 
the "sample Designs" onto the paper?  From there I would make the templates.



Lastly, would one of the members be willing to send me their VHS tape to copy 
and return their VHS



tape?



A word Doc showing the Legacy "Design Kit" information in the Legacy 
instruction manual is attached.




Nat

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Re: pedestal drill

2023-02-27 Thread M.W.Foscue
Bill,

WOW!  They need that guy on the "Mission to Mars"!  He can probably calculate 
and fabricate pretty much anything!
He seems to have a wealth of resources - that few folks have - AND the skills 
to use them.
Great non-LOM video.
Thanks for sharing.
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Feb 27, 2023 10:00 PM
To: 
Subject: pedestal drill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxNrA16yZsUab_channel=MariusHornberger
 
for any of you guys that have a pedestal drill in your shop
get a load of this young guys mods he added to his unbelievably cool
I know its not legacy but  I just had to share anyway.
 
Bill


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Re: LOM for sale

2023-02-23 Thread M.W.Foscue
Link did not work for me either.

GREAT to hear from you, Joe!  How are you doing?
Retired and moving to the Bahamas? (Or already there?)
Or still in NY - freezing your tail off?  LoL!
Built any more "Mill-Zillas"?
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Feb 23, 2023 10:03 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: LOM for sale

no link connection

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:49:05 AM UTC-5 Dan Krager wrote:
Saw this 
(https://www.facebook.com/commerce/listing/611959327610125/?ref=share_attachment)
 on FB marketplace.  Not much info to go with it.  
 
DanK


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Re: Metal Drive Gears

2023-02-08 Thread M.W.Foscue


-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Feb 8, 2023 7:07 AM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Metal Drive Gears

Just emailed Cindy yesterday, and asked if we can still get metal drive gears. 
Yes we can still get them. Takes about a month of turn around to get them made. 
$140.00 per set. So anyone interested they are available. 
My suggestion is get them ordered if you want metal gears. 
Kind Regards,Timothy J. Ziegler






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Re: milling

2023-02-02 Thread M.W.Foscue
Curtis,
I noticed the same as you - I liked the camera position.  It was apparent the 
stock (Bill - for you - "timber"?) was not mounted centered on the mounting dog 
and tailstock center.  If it were, he'd have eliminated all the flats at very 
close to the same time - versus still having a flat well after the other 3 were 
milled to cylindrical.
Mac
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To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: milling

 
Hey Bill.
 
My Mom use to tell me, "If you cant say something nice, Don't say anything at 
all". 
 
You are right about the camera angle. being a novel approach, One that I never 
though of trying.
 
There were quite of few suggestion that I would like to make While watching 
this video, In order to help this person get the most out of his Legacy. Simple 
little things, like plaining off the corners before you try to use the 
spiral/lead screw. Turning the headstock by hand/lever handle, and moving the 
Carriage by hand, to make the spindle round. Also, Making the spindle round 
first, so the spindle dose not have a flat spot, before you try to turn...  
(there are more, but I will stop there.) 
Over all I like the attempt, Perhaps his videos will bring in more people, to 
start using the Legacy? We can ONLY Hope. ;-)
 
Thanks for sharing this.
 
Have a good day.
C.A.G. 
 

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 06:43:29 PM EST, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
 wrote:
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zy8Ll7FSM0ab_channel=CoupleofBunkys
  
just watched this comments ?
  
needs a bit of info like bits used and pitches I think great camera angle 
  
Bill
  



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Re: milling

2023-02-02 Thread M.W.Foscue
Yes - GREAT position for the camera.  Not sure why he seemed to plow a channel 
up from the tailstock end (our right to left - to a bit shy of 40% of the 
length).  Then he milled the twist - almost completely removing that channel.
Mac
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To: 
Subject: milling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zy8Ll7FSM0ab_channel=CoupleofBunkys
 
just watched this comments ?
 
needs a bit of info like bits used and pitches I think great camera angle 
 
Bill


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Re: ribbon spiral

2023-01-30 Thread M.W.Foscue
Bill,
Nice - thanks for sharing.
Now how about going back to that one and adding one "ribbon twist" between the 
one you just made.
Than go back and add one onto that one - creating "stacked twists"?
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
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To: 
Subject: ribbon spiral

Got a bit of shop time today so I used my new z axis and made a quick ribbon 
spiral, no how to video sorry
https://www.dropbox.com/s/64wu97rffw9r89r/ribbon%20spiral.mp4?dl=0
 
just a few seconds of it finished. I have a few adjustments to do a finer pitch 
I think 4 inches instead
of 8 inches  and I will do it on a tapered blank this one was a strait blank.
This is actually my first one of these I always meant to mill one with my first 
tilting z axis but I never did seem to find the time.
 
Bill
 


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Re: More learning tonight

2023-01-24 Thread M.W.Foscue
Hi Mike,

Thanks for sharing your techniques for supporting thin stock.  I especially 
like the one you made for the thin piece with the deep twists.  Ingenious to 
use a "rolling pin" style support - that spreads the support out along a longer 
portion of the thin stock. 
I like it!

Thanks again.
Mac
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To: 
Subject: Re: More learning tonight

Here is another one that will come in handy if the cut runs through the support.
https://ornamentalmills.com/turningaround/HollowSpiral.htm
On 1/24/2023 10:01 PM, Mike Newman wrote:
I spent the evening playing on the LOM starting the learning curve making a 
couple of walking sticks.  I wanted some cheap wood to make mistakes with so I 
ripped down a 2x6 into 3 blanks.  First learning is cheap pine is no fun to 
mill.  Second item is I absolutely need to stop and build my thin stock support 
before I do any more sticks.  hard wood was better than pine but still too much 
chatter.  The 4-jaw chuck on the unit is nice except for one issue.  The 
diameter is large enough to stop the router sled over 6 inches away from the 
end of the material so I loose the ability to do any machining in that area on 
the smaller diameters that I am working with.  Fortunately with the 1200 the 
72in between centers allows me to adjust and I have been putting the head of 
the stick on the tailstock.  The old craftsman router that came with the 
machine is a little sketchy but I factored replacing that into my low purchase 
price.  Biggest issue is difficult to adjust plunge depth quick or accurately 
so I will be seriously looking at the Triton rack/pinion again this weekend.  I 
may put my Bosch 1617 on the unit and try it before buying another.  All in all 
having fun learning.
 


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Re: Music

2023-01-21 Thread M.W.Foscue
Tim,
Yes - as usual - your wife is right.  Of course you know that.
S  G did it - one of their "#1 on the singles charts" hits when they were 
together. 
That one and Bridge Over Troubled Water and a couple others were HUGE hits for 
them. 
I guess their music didn't make it that far north - TOO COLD! 
Nonetheless, I'm confident they made it "Down Under"   LoL!
Cheers!
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Jan 21, 2023 3:07 PM

Subject: Music

yes interesting and different,  I prefer the Native American version as well. 
My wife said that was originally done by Simon and Garfunkel
 Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 1:53 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:





Here is the link Tim 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4ab_channel=Disturbed
 
Interesting version but this one a is still my favourite apart from the native 
American one
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdVjVtpr55Mab_channel=PentatonixVEVO
 
Bill
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com) 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2023 6:31 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)
Subject: Re: music

Attach the link if you find it. I will be back on the computer  later. 
Kind Regards,


Timothy J. Ziegler




 On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 1:28 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:

No I havent I will have to look it up
 
Bill
From: 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
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Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2023 5:11 AM

Subject: Re: music

Love the Sound of Silence.
Have you heard the version by  Disturbed? 

Thanks fo sharing

Denson
 On Jan 21, 2023, at 8:23 AM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
(mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au) wrote:









Beautiful Beautiful stuff
 
Bill
 From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
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Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2023 12:22 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
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Subject: Re: music

Bill here is another  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVwJfyINmq4  The sound 
form a Pan flute is  breathtaking, And Leo Rojas Is one of the best.

 

C.A.G.

 On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 03:00:17 AM EST, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
(mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au) mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote: 


 

 And now something totally not legacy your native Americans really are something

Nothing like this down under ,simply beautiful 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndUCNnhH03Qab_channel=WuauquikunaOfficial
 
Bill

















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Re: STOP THE PRESS, NEW SPLIT NUT

2023-01-20 Thread M.W.Foscue
And the "Acme thread" specifier is important - don't forget that one.
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Jan 20, 2023 8:46 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: STOP THE PRESS, NEW SPLIT NUT

yup sorry my dumb. was not thinking  on that one. Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell






On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 7:20 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:
Sorry Tim its 5/8 X 4 tpi acme tap
 
Bill
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com) 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2023 12:16 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)
Subject: Re: STOP THE PRESS, NEW SPLIT NUT

 
I believe 5/8 8 tpi and right hand.

Kind Regards,
 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell




 


 
On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 3:31 PM Eric Johnson mailto:eric.johnson...@gmail.com)> wrote:

What Size tap is that?

 
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023, 09:23 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> wrote:

Mike that is Awesome!

 

Can you post the file or show us the print?

 

C.A.G.

 


On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 06:19:49 AM EST, Jeff Richmond 
mailto:jtrichmo...@gmail.com)> wrote: 

 

 

Awesome, thanks Mike and Cindy, 
 

Jeff from Connecticut 
Sent from my iPhone



On Jan 18, 2023, at 11:17 PM, Okla Mike (Liltwisted) mailto:legacym...@iglide.net)> wrote:

 



Spoke with Cindy today and she sent a drawing of the split nut.  Here it is for 
anyone who would like it.  Also had a link to some Delrin.
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.com_BuyPlastic-2DDelrin-2DAcetal-2DCopolymer-2DPlastic_dp_B08M6GL5J4_ref-3Dsr-5F1-5F1-5Fsspa-3Fcrid-3DW167H062AMGD-26keywords-3DBlack-252BDelrin-26qid-3D1673991547-26sprefix-3Dblack-252Bdelrin-252B-252Caps-252C125-26sr-3D8-2D1-2Dspons-26spLa-3DZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzS1JRRVA2SUQyMk9SJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNjg4NjE1MUI1SUhQWDFIUlVVVSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwODEzMTE3M1VGVUlCUTRJRjJJNSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU-26th-3D1d=DwMFaQc=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMMr=EiSmJGnwOotC7uMYII2hfys7Krtpj215bytLA3BUICMm=WLbg8itsi5LsyJcpmtPfqadu7pagz-HIe0ImQOLk5cgs=-0eGD1BaqN4DFN2TaxK8AR-iNRoSUDapKZ6fos0ewvUe=
Mike OK
On 11/6/2022 8:56 PM, timjz...@gmail.com (mailto:timjz...@gmail.com) wrote:

Well I finally took the time to make a couple of split nuts from a material  
referred to as HDPE, a self healing white plastic that actually drills and 

taps very nicely. 

I took all my measurements from an other split nut. and cut to a size the 

block I'd be using. I marked out and drilled the piece with a 11 mm Brad point

bit. Then I put in vise and proceeded to tap the ACME thread. Going back and 

forth continually cleaning it out. 

Once I completed that I cut the block in 2 pieces on the scroll saw. 

I then marked the hole for the thumb screw and drilled with a 6.5 mm drill bit.

Tapping then with a 5/16 course thread tap. 

During the drilling process I used the Rocker pen vise. 

To trim the Blocks to fit I used the Rockler Small Parts Jig to hold the block,

and save the fingers. 

Overall I am super happy I took the time to make some and they fit perfect.

there is NO play in that carriage now. Not sure how long they will last, but may

make some with Delrin at some point too. 

See photos attached.

 

Kind regards,

 

Tim J Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

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Re: Plastic gears

2023-01-13 Thread M.W.Foscue
Curtis,

Thanks for doing the "experiment" - and sharing the results.

The teeth on these new gears appear to be larger than previous - am I right?

Cheers!
Mac
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From: 
Sent: Jan 14, 2023 12:32 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
, Tim Krause 
Subject: Re: Plastic gears

 
Hello Everyone.
 
Sadly the PVC gears that I made last week, started to chip and break. as I was 
using my machine last night.
 


So this morning, I was able to find a different type of plastic, and I was able 
to make a new set of Gears that should hold up to the Legacy.
The material is called Acetron GP. (Its not cheap to buy, but I was told that 
it should hold up for my gears that I am making. And it is Laser friendly, So I 
bought some today.) 
Here are some photos.
Tomorrow I will do some more testing, with both Acetron gears as well as with 
my Original Legacy gear that I used for my specks. 
 
Please let me know what you think?
talk to you all more latter.
 
C.A.G.
 
 

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 01:16:01 AM EST, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:
 
 
they might be stackable? lol. Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell





On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 8:50 PM 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> wrote:
Tim maybe you could go to a pulley system and hang one or more from the 
ceiling.Lol
Denson

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On Jan 11, 2023, at 5:48 PM, Jeff Richmond mailto:jtrichmo...@gmail.com)> wrote:


Thats one way to do it.  
I dont know that I could bring myself to discard the rest. I would feel 
obligated to find it a new home. (Probably mine, lol)
 
Jeff from Connecticut
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 11, 2023, at 5:17 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
(mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au) wrote:


The thing is $900 or even $1500 if you could get a big mill with it on just 
have parts shipped to you and have the owner scrap the rest
A drive motor and controllers were worth $889 plus the 4X gears plus what ever 
else extras come with the big  mill you still would be in front
 
Bill
 
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com) 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> On Behalf Of Jeff Richmond
Sent: Thursday, 12 January 2023 8:23 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)
Subject: Re: Plastic gears


 
I have been keeping my eyes out.
 

Even though they were an option, the previous owner (if they had them) 
doesnt typically want to sell them separately. (Cant blame them 
really)

 

Those machines arent the ones that break down for shipment very well at 
1200 or so pounds.

 

Harder to hide in the corner of the garage too. Lol
 

Jeff from Connecticut 
Sent from my iPhone




On Jan 11, 2023, at 4:15 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
(mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au) wrote:


Every now and again they come up for sale on one of the really large mills if 
you could get one at a good price you would have a set
And of course have a column making mill too lol
 
Bill
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com) 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)> On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Thursday, 12 January 2023 7:54 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)
Subject: Re: Plastic gears

 
Good information and thanks for posting it Bill. 
Just don;t seem to be any interest in actually getting a X 4 gear set. really 
to bad. 

I want it just because its available. Not sure I would use it more then to play 
but...


Kind Regards,
 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell




 


 
On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 2:40 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:

Legacy sold the set back in the day for $480.00 if they still made them today 
it would be double that I bet.
I got mine from roger phebe the legsacy international sales person back then he 
retired but before he left he did a deal with me for lots of
Legacy parts including enough parts to make up a 4x set and my revo mill, 
Im not sure roger is with us anymore I have not heard from him in a very 
long time he use to post here on the group al the time.
I found a way around the 4x set before I owned them by using a sprockets and 
chain I mounted another spindle below the main one
And connecting them with a 2 to 1 or 3 or 4 to one sprockets 


 then when you used the 4X gears on your mill it turned them into 8x and more 
on the lower spindle
I dont have better pics sorry I took these pics years ago and it was 
part of a side milling mod I made for milling lager dia and longer work than 
the 
mill was made to do and template following on the same large work . it was a 
way of making large columns and putting round 

Re: Fwd: .50 set

2023-01-11 Thread M.W.Foscue
Very nice.  Thanks.
Who made them - and how?

Now for the "important" question:  Where do they fit in as far as usability - 
what do you make with them that you can't with the Standard or the .25 set?  Or 
are they like the 4X set - that folks own but only use once or twice - if at 
all<

Thanks.
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Jan 11, 2023 2:26 PM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Fwd: .50 set

Denson's .5 gear set  
 
Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell





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Subject: .50 set
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Re: legacy videos

2023-01-04 Thread M.W.Foscue
Bill,

GREAT find - Thanks for sharing.

Mill on!
Mac
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Subject: legacy videos

Some interesting videos here even a couple for manual LOMs
https://www.youtube.com/@ekehicilohalin286/videos
 
Bill


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RE: router crafter

2022-12-30 Thread M.W.Foscue
Bill,

I'm still hoping to hear from some folks in The Group - as regards if they 
think The Woodworking Show will go on as they have been told.

IMHO = In My Humble Opinion.  鸞
Mac
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From: 
Sent: Dec 30, 2022 1:19 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: router crafter

Mac
 
IMHO  whats that sorry I get a head ach if I turn upside down to 
read that  lol
 
Bill
 
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 On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2022 4:48 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: router crafter


Michael,
Do you really expect to see TWWS show up in W. Springfield, MA?
I find it hard to buy into a "show" that can't get the word out better than 2-3 
weeks before "kickoff".
They are supposed to start in Baltimore in a week+.  None of us here in that 
area are holding our hopes up (not trusting) that it will pan out (

or
be worth it).

After what happened to many of us that paid up front for what was to be 
recorded sessions that we'd be able to watch as we wanted over the next 12 
months?  Not likely!
There's a competing "Show" -
"Woodworking Expo"(?)  They have announced their schedule for this Spring 
through early Summer.  Check them out.  More likely to happen - IMHO.Happy New 
Year - to all ya'll!Mac


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Sent: Dec 30, 2022 12:21 AM
To: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Subject: Re: router crafter

Top of the morningTim,

No,  like my LOM 1200 I dont use it, anyone in the my neck of the woods 
interested in them make me an offer.

Interestingly of all the Clubs Ive belonged to over the years and all of 
the symposiums Ive attended all over the country not a single woodworker 
or woodturner has ever mentioned the Router Crafter or even the Legacy 
Ornamental Mill for that matter.



The Woodworking Shows are back on track for this winter after being shut down 
for 3 years,  I will be doing turning demonstrations at the one in West 
Springfield Mass Jan 13-15 for the Western Mass Woodturners the only Club 
Im still active with even though Im 2 1/2 hours away.


Michael Kratky



On Dec 27, 2022, at 7:08 AM, Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com)> wrote:

Did you do much with it Michael?

Kind Regards,


Timothy J. Ziegler






On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:04 AM Owner mailto:krat...@roadrunner.com)> wrote:


I still have the Router Crafter in its ent
Michael Kratky



On Dec 26, 2022, at 4:43 PM, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktopv=iQhJS4MZ5nQab_channel=A1-CustomFabricationSolutions
 
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktopv=iQhJS4MZ5nQab_channel=A1-CustomFabricationSolutions)

 some interesting ideas here we could use. One interesting thing by adjusting 
the stops on the cable they make use

of backlash to mill wider hollows interesting.

Bill
















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Re: router crafter

2022-12-29 Thread M.W.Foscue
Michael,
Do you really expect to see TWWS show up in W. Springfield, MA?
I find it hard to buy into a "show" that can't get the word out better than 2-3 
weeks before "kickoff".
They are supposed to start in Baltimore in a week+.  None of us here in that 
area are holding our hopes up (not trusting) that it will pan out (
orbe worth it).

After what happened to many of us that paid up front for what was to be 
recorded sessions that we'd be able to watch as we wanted over the next 12 
months?  Not likely!
There's a competing "Show" -
"Woodworking Expo"(?)  They have announced their schedule for this Spring 
through early Summer.  Check them out.  More likely to happen - IMHO.Happy New 
Year - to all ya'll!Mac-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Dec 30, 2022 12:21 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: router crafter

Top of the morningTim,
No,  like my LOM 1200 I dont use it, anyone in the my neck of the woods 
interested in them make me an offer.
Interestingly of all the Clubs Ive belonged to over the years and all of 
the symposiums Ive attended all over the country not a single woodworker 
or woodturner has ever mentioned the Router Crafter or even the Legacy 
Ornamental Mill for that matter.
 
The Woodworking Shows are back on track for this winter after being shut down 
for 3 years,  I will be doing turning demonstrations at the one in West 
Springfield Mass Jan 13-15 for the Western Mass Woodturners the only Club 
Im still active with even though Im 2 1/2 hours away.

Michael Kratky
On Dec 27, 2022, at 7:08 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
Did you do much with it Michael?Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler



On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:04 AM Owner mailto:krat...@roadrunner.com)> wrote:

I still have the Router Crafter in its ent
Michael Kratky
On Dec 26, 2022, at 4:43 PM, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktopv=iQhJS4MZ5nQab_channel=A1-CustomFabricationSolutions
 some interesting ideas here we could use. One interesting thing by adjusting 
the stops on the cable they make use
of backlash to mill wider hollows interesting.
Bill













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RE: router crafter

2022-12-27 Thread M.W.Foscue
Bill,

Yep - when we go on vacation and the SUV is loaded with all our clothes  
gear - that's where we have to kids ride.  They love the view - but hate the 
bugs in their face!
LoL!
Mac
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From: 
Sent: Dec 28, 2022 1:29 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: router crafter

Thank you mac now I understand. Might be time to put a roof rack on his car do 
you have them over there?
 
Bill
 
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 On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Wednesday, 28 December 2022 4:55 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: router crafter


Bill,
 
A "Suburban" is not a pickup truck - here in the USA.
It is a stretched version of a Chevrolet Blazer/ a very large SUV.
It has 3 rows of seating - and no cargo "bed" area.  It has a pair of doors in 
the rear - opening left  right vs a tail gate and swing up window 
arrangement.  He was concerned he'd be able to get the Mill inside and still be 
able to close the rear doors.  Many of our states put chemicals on the roads to 
mitigate ice.  It results in LOTS of liquid being sucked up and spread in the 
air - like a mist. 
I am sure he does not want all that getting on the Mill (metal will quickly 
corrode).
 
Happy New Year!
Mac



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Hey Bill he maybe can. But driving through Minnesota or Wisc. This time of year 
with doors open is a bit frigid. lol 
I'm just explain that he did not need all the inside measurements, at this 
point he has the information he needs. 

Thanks 
Kind Regards,


Timothy J. Ziegler








On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 7:44 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:

Answer me a question if he has a suburban picup truck why cant you have 
the back gate open and hang the extra length out the back.
Or even tie to the top of the shut back gate with the other end in the back up 
against the back wall 
What dont I know?
 
Bill







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Re: router crafter

2022-12-27 Thread M.W.Foscue
Bill,

A "Suburban" is not a pickup truck - here in the USA.
It is a stretched version of a Chevrolet Blazer/ a very large SUV.
It has 3 rows of seating - and no cargo "bed" area.  It has a pair of doors in 
the rear - opening left  right vs a tail gate and swing up window 
arrangement.  He was concerned he'd be able to get the Mill inside and still be 
able to close the rear doors.  Many of our states put chemicals on the roads to 
mitigate ice.  It results in LOTS of liquid being sucked up and spread in the 
air - like a mist. 
I am sure he does not want all that getting on the Mill (metal will quickly 
corrode).

Happy New Year!
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Dec 27, 2022 10:48 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: router crafter

Hey Bill he maybe can. But driving through Minnesota or Wisc. This time of year 
with doors open is a bit frigid. lol I'm just explain that he did not need all 
the inside measurements, at this point he has the information he needs. 
Thanks Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler





On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 7:44 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:
Answer me a question if he has a suburban picup truck why cant you have 
the back gate open and hang the extra length out the back.
Or even tie to the top of the shut back gate with the other end in the back up 
against the back wall 
What dont I know?
 
Bill





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