[LegacyUG] find replace question

[BARTON LEWIS]

If I have omitted the last person in a family in a census transcription 
is there a way to replace the final person (line) as I have entered it 
to include the added person on the next and line?  In other words, I 
know you can replace text within a string, but can you add text outside 
of a string?  



Thanks,


Barton

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Re: [LegacyUG] relationship chart

[BARTON LEWIS]

Thank you.  I thought that was just for telling you how 2 people are 
related.  But I see that if you select "print" it generates a report.  
In my opinion this is not the best place for a chart or at least it 
should be available in the charting section additionally.  (This comment 
is obviously directed not to you, Anne, but the folks at Legacy.)



Barton

On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 10:36 PM, Anne Hildrum wrote:

It is under Tools/Relationship calculator.
 
Anne
 
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Subject: [LegacyUG] relationship chart
 
Where in Legacy is the report that shows two people's descent from a 
common ancestor?  I have been through every tab under Reports>Chart 
Reports and I can't find it.  Thanks.

 
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[LegacyUG] relationship chart

[BARTON LEWIS]

Where in Legacy is the report that shows two people's descent from a 
common ancestor?  I have been through every tab under Reports>Chart 
Reports and I can't find it.  Thanks.

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Re: [LegacyUG] deleting zip files in Data folder

[BARTON LEWIS]

Hi Cathy,


It occurred to me - Dropbox is of course "the Cloud" so I think what you 
were saying is that you do a manual back up of your PC to Dropbox; and 
you also have folders in Dropbox that you back up to an external hard 
drive.  For the manual backup to Dropbox, do you just upload your main 
folder with all files on your PC (usually "My Documents" or the C 
drive)?



Thanks,


Barton


On Wed, Jul 04, 2018 at 07:53 PM, Cathy Pinner wrote:


Here's my take on Legacy backups and how many to keep.
I don't use the Legacy Media backup for backing up my media. I keep 
attached media in Dropbox which is sort of a backup then include my 
Dropbox folders in my regular weekly backup to 2 external drives.

If you do use the Legacy Media backup you only need the last 2 or 3.

I make a Data backup every day I work on my database and more often if 
I'm adding a lot of data that day or using features that make global 
changes to the database.


The main thing with having backups is that you learn how to use them. 
If you don't know how to restore a Legacy data backup, then it's still 
not much use to you.
Here's more on using a data backup: You can restore a backup to a 
different name so there's no excuse not to try. If you know the 
process, you don't panic when you really need a backup as you know you 
can use your backups.


The next most important is that they're kept off your computer. If 
your computer goes down, backups on the computer aren't much use.
I save straight to Dropbox so in minutes my backup is off my computer 
and out of my house.
Then as stated above, my Dropbox gets backed up to external drives at 
least weekly.
(I also do a monthly backup of all my computer data. The weekly ones 
are incremental backups. The monthly is a mirror backup to a different 
external drive.)
A backup mantra is: Remember 3-2-1 (at least three copies on two 
different media types, one off-site).
There are nifty online backup options like Backblaze and iDrive but my 
internet upload speed is pathetic.


Keep enough backups so that you can recover from a glitch in your 
working database.
You may not discover the glitch for a while. Whether you revert 
entirely to the old backup or simply use it to retrieve a family or a 
branch or twig, or just use it to see what you had before you made the 
error, it's great to have. I've used them to recover when I realise 
I've used the source clipboard a lot with the wrong source on it - one 
of the reasons I now always use it with "prompt for detail" on. Also 
years ago I used to delete people when I thought they didn't belong 
only to discover later that they belonged in a different way - these 
days I only unlink.


The other reason to keep data backups is so that you can see your 
progress easily.
So I just thin old backups to one a month and for really old ones, one 
every six months... I have some backups going back to 1999 though 
there are a few years I can't find. I suspect they're on superseded 
media and I didn't transfer them to new media.
If you don't have old backups, or if you didn't take screenshots a 
year or 6 years ago, you can't do this sort of encouraging comparison 
as explained by Diane Gould Hall  Obviously not vital but nice.


Cathy



Brian Kelly Tuesday, 3 July 2018 10:42 PM
Zip files contain backups of your family file and media. You should 
have some backup plan for your data and media and which .zip files 
you retain should conform to that plan.


Where you keep backups is also important, some should be on your hard 
drive for immediate access, some on removable media for when your 
hard drive fails and at least one should be off-site in case a 
catastrophe like a fire or flood destroys your on-site backups.


I would suggest you keep at least some of the older backups, an error 
can creep into your file that you do not immediately notice, having 
an older backup can let you recover data from before the error.


Brian Kelly



BARTON LEWIS Tuesday, 3 July 2018 10:27 PM
I am cleaning up files on my computer and see a lot of .zip files in 
my Legacy Family Tree>Data subfolder.  Many of them are named by the 
file, date and time and "media-zip".  Is there any reason I should 
save these files?  I am assuming zip files can be deleted but want to 
be sure. Thank you.



Barton




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Re: [LegacyUG] deleting zip files in Data folder

[BARTON LEWIS]

Hi Cathy,


Thanks for your input.  And for the article link - it is good to be 
prepared and know how to do this, before it is needed in the event of a 
hard drive failure or loss of data.



I have a Western Digital hard drive connected to my PC and it 
continually backs up.  I have not previously backed up to the Cloud, but 
will start doing so.  I guess there are several options for this.  I 
know one of them is through WD, so I may just choose that.  I have a 
Dropbox account but it annoys me that I can't find an icon which shows 
either my current plan or one that links to the Cloud back up that you 
reference.  I tend to quickly ignore sites that I don't find adequately 
intuitive or user-friendly.



I have used Toshiba laptops for 25 years - I think I've had 3 or 4 total 
- and I have never experienced a hard drive failure or loss of data (I 
recently purchased a new computer, a Dell, since Toshiba has stopped 
making PCs).  It amuses me that many of my friends on Macs have had that 
experience - despite their superiority.  That said, I believe it's 
foolish not to have a backup "out of the house" as you say in case, God 
forbid, the house ever burns down.



Barton





On Wed, Jul 04, 2018 at 07:53 PM, Cathy Pinner wrote:


Here's my take on Legacy backups and how many to keep.
I don't use the Legacy Media backup for backing up my media. I keep 
attached media in Dropbox which is sort of a backup then include my 
Dropbox folders in my regular weekly backup to 2 external drives.

If you do use the Legacy Media backup you only need the last 2 or 3.

I make a Data backup every day I work on my database and more often if 
I'm adding a lot of data that day or using features that make global 
changes to the database.


The main thing with having backups is that you learn how to use them. 
If you don't know how to restore a Legacy data backup, then it's still 
not much use to you.
Here's more on using a data backup: You can restore a backup to a 
different name so there's no excuse not to try. If you know the 
process, you don't panic when you really need a backup as you know you 
can use your backups.


The next most important is that they're kept off your computer. If 
your computer goes down, backups on the computer aren't much use.
I save straight to Dropbox so in minutes my backup is off my computer 
and out of my house.
Then as stated above, my Dropbox gets backed up to external drives at 
least weekly.
(I also do a monthly backup of all my computer data. The weekly ones 
are incremental backups. The monthly is a mirror backup to a different 
external drive.)
A backup mantra is: Remember 3-2-1 (at least three copies on two 
different media types, one off-site).
There are nifty online backup options like Backblaze and iDrive but my 
internet upload speed is pathetic.


Keep enough backups so that you can recover from a glitch in your 
working database.
You may not discover the glitch for a while. Whether you revert 
entirely to the old backup or simply use it to retrieve a family or a 
branch or twig, or just use it to see what you had before you made the 
error, it's great to have. I've used them to recover when I realise 
I've used the source clipboard a lot with the wrong source on it - one 
of the reasons I now always use it with "prompt for detail" on. Also 
years ago I used to delete people when I thought they didn't belong 
only to discover later that they belonged in a different way - these 
days I only unlink.


The other reason to keep data backups is so that you can see your 
progress easily.
So I just thin old backups to one a month and for really old ones, one 
every six months... I have some backups going back to 1999 though 
there are a few years I can't find. I suspect they're on superseded 
media and I didn't transfer them to new media.
If you don't have old backups, or if you didn't take screenshots a 
year or 6 years ago, you can't do this sort of encouraging comparison 
as explained by Diane Gould Hall  Obviously not vital but nice.


Cathy



Brian Kelly Tuesday, 3 July 2018 10:42 PM
Zip files contain backups of your family file and media. You should 
have some backup plan for your data and media and which .zip files 
you retain should conform to that plan.


Where you keep backups is also important, some should be on your hard 
drive for immediate access, some on removable media for when your 
hard drive fails and at least one should be off-site in case a 
catastrophe like a fire or flood destroys your on-site backups.


I would suggest you keep at least some of the older backups, an error 
can creep into your file that you do not immediately notice, having 
an older backup can let you recover data from before the error.


Brian Kelly



BARTON LEWIS Tuesday, 3 July 2018 10:27 PM
I am cleaning up files on my computer and see a lot of .zip files in 
my Legacy Family Tree>Data subfolder.  Many of them are named by the 
file, date and time and "medi

Re: [LegacyUG] deleting zip files in Data folder

[BARTON LEWIS]

thank you Brian.


Barton


On Tue, Jul 03, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Brian Kelly wrote:

Zip files contain backups of your family file and media. You should 
have some backup plan for your data and media and which .zip files you 
retain should conform to that plan.


Where you keep backups is also important, some should be on your hard 
drive for immediate access, some on removable media for when your hard 
drive fails and at least one should be off-site in case a catastrophe 
like a fire or flood destroys your on-site backups.


I would suggest you keep at least some of the older backups, an error 
can creep into your file that you do not immediately notice, having an 
older backup can let you recover data from before the error.


Brian Kelly

On 03-Jul-18 10:27 AM, BARTON LEWIS wrote:
I am cleaning up files on my computer and see a lot of .zip files in 
my Legacy Family Tree>Data subfolder.  Many of them are named by the 
file, date and time and "media-zip".  Is there any reason I should 
save these files?  I am assuming zip files can be deleted but want to 
be sure. Thank you.



Barton



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[LegacyUG] deleting zip files in Data folder

[BARTON LEWIS]

I am cleaning up files on my computer and see a lot of .zip files in my 
Legacy Family Tree>Data subfolder.  Many of them are named by the file, 
date and time and "media-zip".  Is there any reason I should save these 
files?  I am assuming zip files can be deleted but want to be sure.  
Thank you.



Barton

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Re: [LegacyUG] download legacy on new computer

[BARTON LEWIS]

Thank you Jennifer and Cathy, all working well now.


Barton


On Sun, Jul 01, 2018 at 11:22 PM, Jennifer Crockett wrote:

Barton just download the free version. Then when it is installed use 
your product key to unlock the Deluxe features. If you can’t find it, 
contact Support who will have a record of it.


Jennifer

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Sent: Monday, 2 July 2018 12:49 PM
To: Legacy User Group Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] download legacy on new 
computer


Thanks but I don't get it Kevin.  I have to pay to have the product 
installed.  Unless there is somewhere to enter the registration key 
before checking out but I don't see where.  Just a field for a coupon.


Barton


On Sun, Jul 01, 2018 at 10:39 PM, Kevin Ferguson wrote:
Barton,

No need to pay again. Just enter your registration code when the 
product is installed.


Best regards
Kevin




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Re: [LegacyUG] download legacy on new computer

[BARTON LEWIS]

Thanks but I don't get it Kevin.  I have to pay to have the product 
installed.  Unless there is somewhere to enter the registration key 
before checking out but I don't see where.  Just a field for a coupon.



Barton

On Sun, Jul 01, 2018 at 10:39 PM, Kevin Ferguson wrote:




Barton,




No need to pay again. Just enter your registration code when the product 
is installed.





Best regards

Kevin








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From: LegacyUserGroup  on 
behalf of BARTON LEWIS 


Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2018 9:33 PM

To: Legacy

Subject: [LegacyUG] download legacy on new computer

 






I bought a new computer and need to transfer my tree there.  I found the


instructions here on how to do so:





http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00505/0/Moving-Your-Family-File-From-One-Computer-to-Another.html 
<http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00505/0/Moving-Your-Family-File-From-One-Computer-to-Another.html>






When I click on the link to download, it's asking if I want the free

version or the Deluxe.  I believe I had the Deluxe on my old computer. 

Do I need to pay to download it to my new computer; and regardless, when

I start the download, will I be asked to either start a new tree or

upload an existing one?





Many thanks,





Barton Lewis



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[LegacyUG] download legacy on new computer

[BARTON LEWIS]

I bought a new computer and need to transfer my tree there.  I found the 
instructions here on how to do so:



http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00505/0/Moving-Your-Family-File-From-One-Computer-to-Another.html


When I click on the link to download, it's asking if I want the free 
version or the Deluxe.  I believe I had the Deluxe on my old computer.  
Do I need to pay to download it to my new computer; and regardless, when 
I start the download, will I be asked to either start a new tree or 
upload an existing one?



Many thanks,


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Re: [LegacyUG] Mailing List please unscribe me from mailing list

[BARTON LEWIS]

I stand corrected, thank you Ron.  My apologies Sherry.
Barton


On Wed, Mar 07, 2018 at 09:32 PM, ronaldbern...@fastmail.com wrote:

Barton,
 
Sherry was not accusing Susie of the rude comment.  She was agreeing 
with Susie’s response – please re-read Shetty comment, you will see that 
it is you who misinterpreted Sherry’s response.

 
Regards,
Ron Bernier
 
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Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 9:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Mailing List please unscribe me from mailing 
list

 
Alan and Sherry are both wrong.  Suzie was not the person who asked to 
unsubscribe nor is she the person who was rude.  Someone named lfague 
was the one who asked to unsubscribe and someone signed AJM was the one 
who was rude.  Both can be confirmed by reading the email thread.  Read 
your posts carefully everyone - and that includes the message on how to 
unsubscribe that comes at the bottom of every email.

Barton


On Wed, Mar 07, 2018 at 09:16 PM, Sherry H wrote:

I totally agree Susie! There is *No* need for name calling and that can 
get you removed/banned from the LUG List!


One thing that causes problems - when you go to the link to unsubscribe, 
you also need to change the radio button from "Subscribe" to 
"Unsubscribe".


This list is actually quite inactive compared to the Facebook page!

Sherry

 
On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 5:49 PM, Susie Zada <sz...@zades.com.au 
<mailto:sz...@zades.com.au> > wrote:


Good grief – is there any need to be so rude and inconsiderate!
 
There should be a link and instructions at the bottom of the email – 
have another try.  If you still have problems I’m sure the administrator 
of this mailing list will help.

 
All the best … Susie Z
 

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Then do it again DUMMY 1

 

AJM

 

 


 

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I unsubscribed a while back and now I get more emails than I ever did 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Mailing List please unscribe me from mailing list

[BARTON LEWIS]

Alan and Sherry are both wrong.  Suzie was not the person who asked to 
unsubscribe nor is she the person who was rude.  Someone named lfague 
was the one who asked to unsubscribe and someone signed AJM was the one 
who was rude.  Both can be confirmed by reading the email thread.  Read 
your posts carefully everyone - and that includes the message on how to 
unsubscribe that comes at the bottom of every email.

Barton


On Wed, Mar 07, 2018 at 09:16 PM, Sherry H wrote:

I totally agree Susie! There is *No* need for name calling and that can 
get you removed/banned from the LUG List!


One thing that causes problems - when you go to the link to unsubscribe, 
you also need to change the radio button from "Subscribe" to 
"Unsubscribe".


This list is actually quite inactive compared to the Facebook page!

Sherry


On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 5:49 PM, Susie Zada  > wrote:


Good grief – is there any need to be so rude and inconsiderate!
 
There should be a link and instructions at the bottom of the email – 
have another try.  If you still have problems I’m sure the administrator 
of this mailing list will help.

 
All the best … Susie Z
 

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Then do it again DUMMY 1

 

AJM

 

 


 

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I unsubscribed a while back and now I get more emails than I ever did 
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Re: [LegacyUG] AFN Numbers - STOP RESPONDING TO THIS POLL EVERYONE PER SUBSEQUENT MESSAGES

[BARTON LEWIS]

 
 
 On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 01:15 PM, Judy wrote:
 
 > I do not use the AFN field.



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Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created

[BARTON LEWIS]

Yes, I agree that I need to read more of her book, and then possibly 
start asking questions on her forum.  Sometimes its hard to know your 
destination until you start out on it - as opposed to knowing to begin 
with.  I appreciate all of the replies here and helpful suggestions.  
I've learned things that I can apply to other template and sourcing 
questions.



Barton


On Sat, Dec 02, 2017 at 06:13 AM, Cathy Pinner wrote:

Well if you used the Basic format instead of Basic format removed ... 
and put that bit of info elsewhere if necessary the template does have 
volume and page. Besides,  I thought you'd seen these records on 
microfilm? You record that because the quality of microfilm varies.


I really think you are over thinking this and need to spend time 
reading about the basic principles she gives and asking questions on 
her forum.


Cathy


BARTON LEWIS Saturday, 2 December 2017 6:35 PM
Hi Cathy, I'm sorry, but after my conversation with the KY Dept of 
Libraries & Archives when I clarified that the record I had was a 
license (although subsequently someone told me offlist that it's a 
bond) I changed the template to Marriage records>found in 
governmental records>Marriage licenses, bonds, registrations, 
etc.>Bound volumes>Basic format, removed to state archives.  That's 
the one I was referring to when I said there was no book/page no.


I'm trying to find exactly what is meant by "marriage register" in EE 
without luck.  When that term occupies the position taken by 
"Marriage licenses, bonds, registrations, etc." in the other 
template, it obviously refers to something else, but I'm not sure 
what.  I'll try to figure it out.


Barton

On Sat, Dec 02, 2017 at 02:53 AM, Cathy Pinner wrote:

Cathy Pinner Saturday, 2 December 2017 3:53 PM
Barton,

If you are still using this Template:
(Marriage records > Found in governmental records > Marriage
registers > Created at state/provincial level > Microfilm/fiche),
Then the Source Detail template has boxes for volume and page and 
item number then the boxes for the names of the people and then more 
film detail specific to the actual record rather than the general 
information in the Master Source.


Now that I've had a look you've got two repositories as one is where 
the registers are and the other is where the microfilm is.


Cathy

BARTON LEWIS wrote:
BARTON LEWIS Saturday, 2 December 2017 3:25 PM
This is good to know, Monique, thank you.  Just when I thought I had 
found the right template, I realized that the "removed to state 
archives" template wasn't providing a field for book and page number 
- rather, just bride/groom names, year and county of marriage.  How 
could that information not be important and/or relevant?  Likewise, 
the template for microfiche/film - while providing fields for 
book/page no. as well as microfilm roll no. - omits the "owner 
repository" (the state archives) in the footnote.  All of these data 
points seem important to me.  I don't understand how it is that a 
source is not designed to cover them, but I'll stop complaining and 
take your advice, and modify an existing one to my needs.


Barton


On Fri, Dec 01, 2017 at 06:08 PM, Monique Riley wrote:

Monique Riley Saturday, 2 December 2017 7:08 AM

Barton,


You can have the best of both worlds using the Source Writer with the 
templates and the Overrides tab in the Source Detail section.  Go 
ahead and fill out your template, then click the Overrides tab. Then 
copy and past the citation from the preview on the right of the 
screen into the Footnote/Endnote Citation box. Then tweak it as you 
want, adding or deleting info. Then under the text box, make sure and 
check the box for "use this customized footnote on reports."



Monique A. Riley, AG®




--------
*From:* LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of BARTON LEWIS *Sent:* Friday, 
December 1, 2017 1:35 PM

*To:* Legacy User Group
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created
Thanks, Leonard.  I'm not completely happy with the solution in this 
case, which was to use a template designated for "records removed to 
state archives," but no field for microfilm number.  It's possible I 
can add that information somewhere in the template - I just haven't 
looked to see where yet.


Barton



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Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created

[BARTON LEWIS]

Hi Cathy, I'm sorry, but after my conversation with the KY Dept of 
Libraries & Archives when I clarified that the record I had was a 
license (although subsequently someone told me offlist that it's a bond) 
I changed the template to Marriage records>found in governmental 
records>Marriage licenses, bonds, registrations, etc.>Bound 
volumes>Basic format, removed to state archives.  That's the one I was 
referring to when I said there was no book/page no.



I'm trying to find exactly what is meant by "marriage register" in EE 
without luck.  When that term occupies the position taken by "Marriage 
licenses, bonds, registrations, etc." in the other template, it 
obviously refers to something else, but I'm not sure what.  I'll try to 
figure it out.



Barton

On Sat, Dec 02, 2017 at 02:53 AM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
Barton,



If you are still using this Template:

(Marriage records > Found in governmental records > Marriage

registers > Created at state/provincial level > Microfilm/fiche),

Then the Source Detail template has boxes for volume and page and item 
number then the boxes for the names of the people and then more film 
detail specific to the actual record rather than the general information 
in the Master Source.




Now that I've had a look you've got two repositories as one is where the 
registers are and the other is where the microfilm is.




Cathy



BARTON LEWIS wrote:



This is good to know, Monique, thank you. Just when I thought I had

found the right template, I realized that the "removed to state

archives" template wasn't providing a field for book and page number -

rather, just bride/groo
m names, year and county of marriage. How could

that information not be important and/or relevant? Likewise, the

template for microfiche/film - while providing fields for book/page

no. as well as microfilm roll no. - omits the "owner repository" (the

state archives) in the footnote. All of these data points seem

important to me. I don't understand how it is that a source is not

designed to cover them, but I'll stop complaining and take your

advice, and modify an existing one to my needs.



Barton





On Fri, Dec 01, 2017 at 06:08 PM, Monique Riley wrote:



    Barton,





    You can have the best of both worlds using the Source Writer with

    the templates and the Overrides tab in the Source Detail section.

    Go ahead and fill out your template, then click the Overrides tab.

    Then copy and past the citation from the
 preview on the right of

    the screen into the Footnote/Endnote Citation box. Then tweak it

    as you want, adding or deleting info. Then under the text box,

    make sure and check the box for "use this customized footnote on

    reports."





    Monique A. Riley, AG®







    



    *From:* LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com>

    on behalf of BARTON LEWIS <bartonle...@optonline.net>

    *Sent:* Friday, December 1, 2017 1:35 PM

    *To:* Legacy User Group

    *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created

    Thanks, Leonard. I'm not completely happy with the solution in

    this case, which was t
o use a template designated for "records

    removed to state archives," but no field for microfilm number.

    It's possible I can add that information somewhere in the template

    - I just haven't looked to see where yet.



    Barton

    



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Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created

[BARTON LEWIS]

This is good to know, Monique, thank you.  Just when I thought I had 
found the right template, I realized that the "removed to state 
archives" template wasn't providing a field for book and page number - 
rather, just bride/groom names, year and county of marriage.  How could 
that information not be important and/or relevant?  Likewise, the 
template for microfiche/film - while providing fields for book/page no. 
as well as microfilm roll no. - omits the "owner repository" (the state 
archives) in the footnote.  All of these data points seem important to 
me.  I don't understand how it is that a source is not designed to cover 
them, but I'll stop complaining and take your advice, and modify an 
existing one to my needs.   



Barton

On Fri, Dec 01, 2017 at 06:08 PM, Monique Riley wrote:




Barton, 




You can have the best of both worlds using the Source Writer with the 
templates and the Overrides tab in the Source Detail section.  Go ahead 
and fill out your template, then click the Overrides tab. Then copy and 
past
 the citation from the preview on the right of the screen into the 
Footnote/Endnote Citation box. Then tweak it as you want, adding or 
deleting info. Then under the text box, make sure and check the box for 
"use this customized footnote on reports."













Monique A. Riley, AG®


















From: LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> on 
behalf of BARTON LEWIS <bartonle...@optonline.net>


Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 1:35 PM

To: Legacy User Group

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created

 




Thanks, Leonard.  I'm not completely happy with the solution in this 
case, which was to use a template designated for "records removed to 
state archives," but no field for microfilm number.  It's possible I can 
add that information somewhere in the template

 - I just haven't looked to see where yet.







Barton







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Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created

[BARTON LEWIS]

Thanks, Leonard.  I'm not completely happy with the solution in this 
case, which was to use a template designated for "records removed to 
state archives," but no field for microfilm number.  It's possible I can 
add that information somewhere in the template - I just haven't looked 
to see where yet.


Barton


On Fri, Dec 01, 2017 at 01:10 PM, Leonard J. McCown wrote:

Personally, I like to leave as much information as possible when the 
time comes I am not here to answer questions for anyone seeking the 
record I used to make that decision. Too so much is changing, even 
online these days. Leonard

 
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217 West 14th Street, Irving, Texas 75060-5903
972-254-7952
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<http://www.mccown.org>

People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward to
their ancestors. -- Edmund Burke, 1790
_
 
 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] 
On Behalf Of Barton Lewis

Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 10:30 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created

 
Cathy, thank you.  I spoke to the director of reprographics at the 
Kentucky Dept. of Libraries & Archives today, and learned a great deal 
about how marriages in Kentucky were recorded and how the KDLA organized 
them into record series upon acquiring them. 

 
I was kind of flummoxed as to what source template in Legacy to use.  
Learning the precise record type you’re dealing with is the first step, 
and may seem obvious (but it really took some time to define that – 
there are so many different record types for marriages).  By determining 
I was dealing with a license from 1808 I was able, by searching for 
“license,” to quickly come up with the available options in Source 
Writer.  Then I was stuck on whether to choose “removed to State 
Archives” or “microfilm/fiche,” since both applied to the record I had.  
I chose the former, and produced a source citation exactly as shown in 
EE.  The KDLA director said he did not think it necessary or customary 
to cite the microfilm number, but rather the record type, book and page 
number for the source only (with the other relevant pieces of data).  
I’m still not quite sure about that, and wonder if I should cite that 
somewhere.  But I feel I made the right choice as the template for 
“microfiche/film,” while providing the film # in the cite, did not 
produce the repository in the note, but only the bibliography, leaving 
one to presume (presumably) that the record was at the county level. 

 
I wish there was a chat group somewhere devoted to sources – they’re so 
important, complex and nuanced – seems like there should be a forum to 
discuss them.  They’re fun too – sort of like a Rubik’s cube – trying to 
get all the elements to line up right.

 
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Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created

[BARTON LEWIS]

Thanks, Monique.  Oh dear, just what I needed - another group to join.  
No, this one is important.  I will check it out.  



Barton

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:52 PM, Monique Riley wrote:




Barton,




There is a user forum on
www.evidenceexplained.com   where you 
can discuss citations. Elizabeth herself will answer many times, but she 
doesn't usually just give you the answers, but makes you think






Monique Riley, AG®




I wish there was a chat group somewhere devoted to sources – they’re so 
important, complex and nuanced – seems like there should
 be a forum to discuss them.  They’re fun too – sort of like a Rubik’s 
cube – trying to get all the elements to line up right.










 

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Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created

[BARTON LEWIS]

Thanks, Cathy.  I will look into joining.


Barton

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:51 PM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
Barton,



There's a forum at https://www.evidenceexplained.com/

That won't discuss which Legacy template to use though, just what 
Elizabeth Shown Mills thinks the output should look like.




Note she is a member of the Legacy Facebook User Group and chimes in on 
some sourcing questions.




Cathy







Barton Lewis wrote:



Thanks, Jenny.  It seemed to me when I was trying to find the right 
template


for m Kentucky marriage license that leaving some fields blanks 
sometimes


produced "gaps" in the cite, such as parentheses with nothing between 
them,


or a dangling semi-colon followed by a space and the period.  In the

template I settled on, however, a marriage license (records acquired by

state archives), I did leave a field ("Collection") blank and had no

problem.



-Original Mes
sage-

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] 
On


Behalf Of Jenny M Benson

Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 4:16 PM

To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created



On 29-Nov-17 06:38 PM, BARTON LEWIS wrote:



The bottom line for me is, can we edit fields out in a Legacy template

that don't seem to apply or are duplicative, as in the case here?  Can

you in effect create your own template by adding or deleting fields?

I tried Googling this but did not find an answer.





I don't think you can edit the templates, but you can certainly just 
ignore


any fields that you don't think are relevant.  You can also, in many 
cases,


use a field for data for which it is not specifically labelled.



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Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created

[Barton Lewis]

Thanks, Jenny.  It seemed to me when I was trying to find the right template
for m Kentucky marriage license that leaving some fields blanks sometimes
produced "gaps" in the cite, such as parentheses with nothing between them,
or a dangling semi-colon followed by a space and the period.  In the
template I settled on, however, a marriage license (records acquired by
state archives), I did leave a field ("Collection") blank and had no
problem.

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From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Jenny M Benson
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 4:16 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created

On 29-Nov-17 06:38 PM, BARTON LEWIS wrote:
> 
> The bottom line for me is, can we edit fields out in a Legacy template 
> that don't seem to apply or are duplicative, as in the case here?  Can 
> you in effect create your own template by adding or deleting fields?  
> I tried Googling this but did not find an answer.

I don't think you can edit the templates, but you can certainly just ignore
any fields that you don't think are relevant.  You can also, in many cases,
use a field for data for which it is not specifically labelled.

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Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created

[Barton Lewis]

Cathy, thank you.  I spoke to the director of reprographics at the Kentucky 
Dept. of Libraries & Archives today, and learned a great deal about how 
marriages in Kentucky were recorded and how the KDLA organized them into record 
series upon acquiring them.  

 

I was kind of flummoxed as to what source template in Legacy to use.  Learning 
the precise record type you’re dealing with is the first step, and may seem 
obvious (but it really took some time to define that – there are so many 
different record types for marriages).  By determining I was dealing with a 
license from 1808 I was able, by searching for “license,” to quickly come up 
with the available options in Source Writer.  Then I was stuck on whether to 
choose “removed to State Archives” or “microfilm/fiche,” since both applied to 
the record I had.  I chose the former, and produced a source citation exactly 
as shown in EE.  The KDLA director said he did not think it necessary or 
customary to cite the microfilm number, but rather the record type, book and 
page number for the source only (with the other relevant pieces of data).  I’m 
still not quite sure about that, and wonder if I should cite that somewhere.  
But I feel I made the right choice as the template for “microfiche/film,” while 
providing the film # in the cite, did not produce the repository in the note, 
but only the bibliography, leaving one to presume (presumably) that the record 
was at the county level.  

 

I wish there was a chat group somewhere devoted to sources – they’re so 
important, complex and nuanced – seems like there should be a forum to discuss 
them.  They’re fun too – sort of like a Rubik’s cube – trying to get all the 
elements to line up right.

 

Barton

 

 

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:36 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created

 

Barton,

I think the issue is that the templates may relate to more than one section or 
country or time frame and some of the fields don't apply to every case.
You don't have to use every field.
Geoff Rasmussen designed the templates and he doesn't use every field for every 
source.

Cathy

Jenny M Benson wrote:




On 29-Nov-17 06:38 PM, BARTON LEWIS wrote:





The bottom line for me is, can we edit fields out in a Legacy 
template that don't seem to apply or are duplicative, as in the case 
here?  Can you in effect create your own template by adding or 
deleting fields?  I tried Googling this but did not find an answer.



I don't think you can edit the templates, but you can certainly just 
ignore any fields that you don't think are relevant . You can also, in 
many cases, use a field for data for which it is not specifically 
labelled.

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Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created

[BARTON LEWIS]

Hi Cathy,
I see now that I can identify any source template in the Source Writer 
with the section treating it in EE.  What's confusing is correlating 
what EE says with the fields Legacy has chosen to populate the 
template.  For example, in the example I gave (Marriage records > Found 
in governmental records > Marriage


registers > Created at state/provincial level > Microfilm/fiche), there 
are 2 fields for repository ("Owner Repository" and "Repository") and 
repository city ("Owner Repository City" and "Repository City").  Legacy 
says this source template is from Section 9.42 of EE.  It's not clear to 
me why Legacy has these seemingly duplicative fields.  Legacy also has 
fields for "No. of volumes" and "No. of rolls."  EE doesn't treat 
microfilmed records at all in Section 9.42, but it seems reasonable as 
to why these fields are included given the type of source.


The bottom line for me is, can we edit fields out in a Legacy template 
that don't seem to apply or are duplicative, as in the case here?  Can 
you in effect create your own template by adding or deleting fields?  I 
tried Googling this but did not find an answer.



Thanks,


Barton






On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 07:06 PM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
Barton,

It's much easier to go from EE to the templates - search on the EE 
section number as someone has already said.




The Template number that is revealed in the Master Source list is simply 
an internal number and can show you which sources you have based on the 
same template (which can be merged if necessary) or which templates you 
have used.




Cathy



BARTON LEWIS wrote:



Yes, that brings up the section where marriage records are discussed. 

But there does not appear to be a precise correlation between the

source template in Legacy and EE.  Therefore, problems or questions

with the Legacy template cannot be addressed by looking at EE.  For

example, in the source screen for the template I chose and have

referenced, beneath the fields "Owner Repository" and "Owner

Repository City" a
re 2 additional fields "Repository" and "Repository

City."  What's the distinction?



I thought every source template in Legacy could be tracked back to a

specific section in EE for that source.  But it appears that may be

incorrect.





Barton







On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 04:40 PM, Brian Kelly wrote:





Try searching for marriage records not registers.



Brian Kelly



On 28-Nov-17 4:23 PM, BARTON LEWIS wrote:



Thank you, by doing what you said I see that my source was based on

Marriage records > Found in governmental records > Marriage

registers > Created at state/provincial level > Microfilm/fiche.  By

searching for the words "Marriage register" in EE, however, this

phrase appears only in church records, not state/governmental

records.  I thought every template in the SourceWriter could be

tracked backed to a source in EE. It's unfortunate if that's not the

case, as there appear to be some duplicative fields in the

SourceWriter template and I was hoping to read EE for clarification.



Barton







On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 04:12 PM, Monique Riley wrote:



Well, I do know when you go to edit your source you will see the

path of what selections you made to get you to that specific

template. You could then look that path up in EE. I don't know if

there is a way to correspond the 409 number to EE, sorry!





Monique A. Riley, AG®













*From:* LegacyUserGroup on

behalf of BARTON LEWIS *Sent:* Tuesday, November 28, 2017 1:58 PM

*To:* Legacy User Group

*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created

The number that came up when I searched for the template on which I

based my so
urce was 409 (it's a marriage record).  I looked in my

copy of EE to see if there was a corresponding # but could not find

it.  How do I find the source in EE based on this number?



Thank you.



Barton







On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 03:54 PM, Monique Riley wrote:



Glad I could help!





Did you also know that you can type either the page number or

section number from the book Evidence Explained into the Search

box for "What kind of Source Do You Want to Cite" in the Source

Writer, click Search, and it will bring up the citations from

that page or section?  I find that very useful as well.





Monique A. Riley, AG®













*From:* LegacyUserGroup

on behalf of Jenny M

Benson *Sent:* Tuesday, November 28, 2017 1:43 PM

*To:* legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com

*Subject:* Re: [L
egacyUG] identify template already created

On 28-Nov-17 08:33 PM, Monique Riley wrote:



Go into the Master Source list and click on the top left of



the title



"Source List Name" and dr

Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created

[BARTON LEWIS]

Yes, that brings up the section where marriage records are discussed.  
But there does not appear to be a precise correlation between the source 
template in Legacy and EE.  Therefore, problems or questions with the 
Legacy template cannot be addressed by looking at EE.  For example, in 
the source screen for the template I chose and have referenced, beneath 
the fields "Owner Repository" and "Owner Repository City" are 2 
additional fields "Repository" and "Repository City."  What's the 
distinction? 


I thought every source template in Legacy could be tracked back to a 
specific section in EE for that source.  But it appears that may be 
incorrect.



Barton



On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 04:40 PM, Brian Kelly wrote:


Try searching for marriage records not registers.

Brian Kelly

On 28-Nov-17 4:23 PM, BARTON LEWIS wrote:
Thank you, by doing what you said I see that my source was based on 
Marriage records > Found in governmental records > Marriage registers 
> Created at state/provincial level > Microfilm/fiche.  By searching 
for the words "Marriage register" in EE, however, this phrase appears 
only in church records, not state/governmental records.  I thought 
every template in the SourceWriter could be tracked backed to a 
source in EE.  It's unfortunate if that's not the case, as there 
appear to be some duplicative fields in the SourceWriter template and 
I was hoping to read EE for clarification.


Barton



On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 04:12 PM, Monique Riley wrote:

Well, I do know when you go to edit your source you will see the
path of what selections you made to get you to that specific
template. You could then look that path up in EE. I don't know if
there is a way to correspond the 409 number to EE, sorry!


Monique A. Riley, AG®




--------
*From:* LegacyUserGroup  on
behalf of BARTON LEWIS *Sent:* Tuesday, November 28, 2017 
1:58 PM

*To:* Legacy User Group
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created
The number that came up when I searched for the template on which 
I

based my source was 409 (it's a marriage record).  I looked in my
copy of EE to see if there was a corresponding # but could not 
find

it.  How do I find the source in EE based on this number?

Thank you.

Barton



On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 03:54 PM, Monique Riley wrote:

Glad I could help!


Did you also know that you can type either the page number or
section number from the book Evidence Explained into the 
Search
box for "What kind of Source Do You Want to Cite" in the 
Source

Writer, click Search, and it will bring up the citations from
that page or section?  I find that very useful as well.


Monique A. Riley, AG®





*From:* LegacyUserGroup
 on behalf of Jenny M
Benson *Sent:* Tuesday, November 28, 2017 1:43 PM
*To:* legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created
On 28-Nov-17 08:33 PM, Monique Riley wrote:

Go into the Master Source list and click on the top left of

the title

"Source List Name" and drag the cross hairs that appear to

the right. A

column will appear of the template number (if created with

Source

Writer) or it will show Basic if the source was created under

basic.

Oh wow!  There's a really useful hidden gem I never knew 
about. Thank you.


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Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created

[BARTON LEWIS]

Thank you, by doing what you said I see that my source was based on 
Marriage records > Found in governmental records > Marriage registers > 
Created at state/provincial level > Microfilm/fiche.  By searching for 
the words "Marriage register" in EE, however, this phrase appears only 
in church records, not state/governmental records.  I thought every 
template in the SourceWriter could be tracked backed to a source in EE.  
It's unfortunate if that's not the case, as there appear to be some 
duplicative fields in the SourceWriter template and I was hoping to read 
EE for clarification.


Barton


On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 04:12 PM, Monique Riley wrote:




Well, I do know when you go to edit your source you will see the path of 
what selections you made to get you to that specific template. You could 
then look that path up in EE. I don't know if there is a way to 
correspond

 the 409 number to EE, sorry!












Monique A. Riley, AG®


















From: LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> on 
behalf of BARTON LEWIS <bartonle...@optonline.net>


Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 1:58 PM

To: Legacy User Group

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created

 




The number that came up when I searched for the template on which I 
based my source was 409 (it's a marriage record).  I looked in my copy 
of EE to see if there was a corresponding # but could not find it.  How 
do I find the source in EE based on this

 number?







Thank you.






Barton







On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 03:54 PM, Monique Riley wrote:







Glad I could help!




Did you also know that you can type either the page number or section 
number from the book Evidence Explained into the Search box for "What 
kind of Source Do You Want to Cite" in the Source Writer, click 
Search, and
 it will bring up the citations from that page or section?  I find that 
very useful as well.













Monique A. Riley, AG®


















From: LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> on 
behalf of Jenny M Benson <ge...@cedarbank.me.uk>


Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 1:43 PM

To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created

 






On 28-Nov-17 08:33 PM, Monique Riley wrote:


Go into the Master Source list and click on the top left of the title


"Source List Name" and drag the cross hairs that appear to the right. 
A



column will appear of the template number (if created with Source



Writer) or it will show Basic if the source was created under basic.




Oh wow!  There's a really useful hidden gem I never knew about.  Thank 
you.




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Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created

[BARTON LEWIS]

The number that came up when I searched for the template on which I 
based my source was 409 (it's a marriage record).  I looked in my copy 
of EE to see if there was a corresponding # but could not find it.  How 
do I find the source in EE based on this number?


Thank you.


Barton


On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 03:54 PM, Monique Riley wrote:




Glad I could help!




Did you also know that you can type either the page number or section 
number from the book Evidence Explained into the Search box for "What 
kind of Source Do You Want to Cite" in the Source Writer, click 
Search, and it
 will bring up the citations from that page or section?  I find that 
very useful as well.













Monique A. Riley, AG®


















From: LegacyUserGroup  on 
behalf of Jenny M Benson 


Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 1:43 PM

To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created

 






On 28-Nov-17 08:33 PM, Monique Riley wrote:


Go into the Master Source list and click on the top left of the title


"Source List Name" and drag the cross hairs that appear to the right. 
A



column will appear of the template number (if created with Source



Writer) or it will show Basic if the source was created under basic.




Oh wow!  There's a really useful hidden gem I never knew about.  Thank 
you.




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Re: [LegacyUG] identify template already created

[BARTON LEWIS]

Got it, thanks!

Barton


On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 03:33 PM, Monique Riley wrote:




Go into the Master Source list and click on the top left of the title 
"Source List Name" and drag the cross hairs that appear to the right. A 
column will appear of the template number (if created with Source 
Writer) or

 it will show Basic if the source was created under basic.












Monique A. Riley, AG®


















From: LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> on 
behalf of BARTON LEWIS <bartonle...@optonline.net>


Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 1:24 PM

To: Legacy

Subject: [LegacyUG] identify template already created

 






Is there a way to know what Legacy template you have created a source


based on using SourceWriter?  I seem to recall there is but can't find

it poking around while in/on the source.





Thanks,





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[LegacyUG] identify template already created

[BARTON LEWIS]

Is there a way to know what Legacy template you have created a source 
based on using SourceWriter?  I seem to recall there is but can't find 
it poking around while in/on the source.



Thanks,


Barton

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Re: [LegacyUG] search and replace not working

[BARTON LEWIS]

Thank you, Cathy.  Not selecting "Anywhere in field" was indeed the 
problem.



Regards,


Barton

On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 11:51 PM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
Barton,



Sorry. On Facebook I could show you.

On that Text/Comments tab there are two separate fields. They must be 
searched separately.




In Search and Replace make sure you have

"how to find" as Anywhere in the field.

The choice there may be stopping you find what you're looking for.



NOTE: Nothing has changed in Search and Replace apart from a few extra 
fields you can search on - like fields to do with Stories. The screen 
itself is identical to the screen in Legacy 7.5 as I just checked.




Cathy



Barton Lewis wrote:



I don’t understand what you mean by “you can’t do the replace in both

at once.”  In both what at once?  I tried two different ways of doing

the search based on what you said.  I first chose Citation-Text,

pasted in my line of text, and it did not find
 it.  I then selected

Citation-Comments, and it still did not find it.  In the Source

Detail, there is only one field for Text and Comments that I can see

and it’s called “Text/Comments,” and it’s the 2^nd tab (after Detail

Information and before Media).



What’s going on here?  This was never this complicated before.



Barton



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You can't do the replace in both at once.

Search - Search and Replace

Find Where - Citation-Text



Do that one first and then come back and do

Find Where - Citation-Comments



In Search and Replace, Source applies to the Master Source and

Citation applies to the Source Details.



Don't forget to ch
oose carefully the other options on the Search and

Replace screen.



Cathy



BARTON LEWIS wrote:





    It appears the search and replace function has changed. I'm trying 
to




    replace a line of text in a source and it's not being found. It's



    entered in the Text/Comments field in the Source Detail. In



    "Find-Where" I chose Source-Comments and Source-Text both and it's 
not




    being found. I copied and pasted the line of text from where it is 
in




    the entry so I know there are no typos. Can anyone help?







    Thanks,

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Re: [LegacyUG] search and replace not working

[Barton Lewis]

I don’t understand what you mean by “you can’t do the replace in both at once.” 
 In both what at once?  I tried two different ways of doing the search based on 
what you said.  I first chose Citation-Text, pasted in my line of text, and it 
did not find it.  I then selected Citation-Comments, and it still did not find 
it.  In the Source Detail, there is only one field for Text and Comments that I 
can see and it’s called “Text/Comments,” and it’s the 2nd tab (after Detail 
Information and before Media).

 

What’s going on here?  This was never this complicated before.

 

Barton

 

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 8:56 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] search and replace not working

 

You can't do the replace in both at once.
Search - Search and Replace
Find Where - Citation-Text

Do that one first and then come back and do
Find Where - Citation-Comments

In Search and Replace, Source applies to the Master Source and Citation applies 
to the Source Details.

Don't forget to choose carefully the other options on the Search and Replace 
screen.

Cathy

BARTON LEWIS wrote:




It appears the search and replace function has changed. I'm trying to

replace a line of text in a source and it's not being found. It's

entered in the Text/Comments field in the Source Detail. In

"Find-Where" I chose Source-Comments and Source-Text both and it's not

being found. I copied and pasted the line of text from where it is in

the entry so I know there are no typos. Can anyone help?



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[LegacyUG] search and replace not working

[BARTON LEWIS]

It appears the search and replace function has changed.  I'm trying to

replace a line of text in a source and it's not being found.  It's

entered in the Text/Comments field in the Source Detail.  In

"Find-Where" I chose Source-Comments and Source-Text both and it's not

being found.  I copied and pasted the line of text from where it is in

the entry so I know there are no typos.  Can anyone help?



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Re: [LegacyUG] Is Legacy falling apart?

[BARTON LEWIS]

Anchorage is not a county in Alaska.  It is a municipality.  From 
Wikipedia:



"The U.S. state   of Alaska 
  is divided into 19 organized 
boroughs   and 
one "Unorganized Borough 
 ". Alaska 
and Louisiana   are the only 
states that do not call their first-order administrative 
subdivisions counties 
  (Louisiana 
uses parishes 
 
 instead).[1] 
 
"


On Sun, Oct 01, 2017 at 09:58 PM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
Ian,

I don't know what tool you are using re Anchorage so won't comment on 
that.




Which search fields change by themselves?



If you haven't got your spouses sorted go to Tools - Other Tools - Sort 
and sort them if they have dates -otherwise you have to sort them 
individually in the spouse list.




See Search - Find - Detailed Search tab

Individual - Find a Grave ID - and choose from equals, not equal to, 
contains, starts with and wildcard


What more do you want?



Screen can be difficult to resize sometimes and why that is, is unknown.

If windows are opening in a different place, you probably need to delete 
Legacy2.usr and perhaps some of the other Legacy#.usr to reset to 
defaults. You'll find them in ...\Documents\Legacy Family 
Tree\_AppData\usr\ folder




Legacy isn't perfect. It's just better than other programs.



Cathy




Ian Macaulay wrote:



I tried to input Anchorage to-day,  It came back with Anchorage,

anchorage   etc and then when I said Yes thats it!!,   It says there

was never a county such as Anchorahe in Alaska.



The minor annoyance of The Search Fields changing By them selves now

happens far more often,  It never got fixed and now is worse.



The second spouse is still the first, Should have been fixed by now.



The FAG number should be in the search fields same as Family Search

and AFN.

I know it was not promised but that was a lot of work transferring the

FAG numbers to be useless in a search.



And now since the last update my Screen (window) never opens where it

is supposed to. and it changes its size..



Just mumbling out loud for anxiety releif.



Ian







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Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

[BARTON LEWIS]

Got it!  Most helpful, many thanks.


Barton


On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 04:43 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote:


On 15-Jul-17 02:00 AM, Barton Lewis wrote:
Jenny, can you please explain what you mean by "change the entry in 
that
field when creating my master source?"  Which field?  I don't 
understand how
"online image" relates to any field in the template, to begin with, 
so I
don't know what field I am supposed to change or what I should change 
it to.


If you are creating a new SourceWriter Source and select Newspapers at 
step 1 and Online images (issued by unrelated content provider) at 
step 2 there are 5 fields on the Source Info screen which follows. 
These are Source List Name, Location State, Location City, Title and 
Format.  The first 4 are blank for you to enter as appropriate but the 
last, Format, has "Digital images" already entered for you.  You can, 
however, simply delete this and enter "Transcription" or whatever you 
wish.


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Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

[BARTON LEWIS]

Cathy, thank you.  That is a good suggestion.  The Online Database 
template is a very flexible option and it would seem to fit this 
situation.



Barton

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 09:28 PM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
Hi Barton,



Sorry, I was only responding to part of your email re the difference 
between templates.




If what you are looking at is transcriptions then I'd be using an Online 
Database template.


The information may be from newspapers but you are not seeing the 
newspaper image and it's not the newspaper itself publishing in two 
different ways, so the newspaper would go in the Source Detail credit 
line in my opinion.




But keep remembering why you are sourcing. The aim is for someone else 
to know what you've looked at and be able to find it for themselves or 
know why they can't (because it's privately held).




Cathy



Barton Lewis wrote:



Jenny, can you please explain what you mean by "change the entry in that

field when creating my master source?"  Which field?  I don't understand 
how


"online image"
 relates to any field in the template, to begin with, so I

don't know what field I am supposed to change or what I should change it 
to.




Barton



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Behalf Of Jenny M Benson

Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 12:39 PM

To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary



   For example, in the template I ended up selecting,



"Newspapers>Online images (issued by unrelated content provider)," I

asked if "issued" means "published on this website," which I assume it

does.





That's the assumption I would make.



   I also nitpicked about the use of "online image;" I assume that



is equivalent to a transcription although it seems somewhat imprecise.

The distinction is perhaps not impor
tant.





No, an online image is an actual digital image of an original document.

If the words have been copied (typed or OCR'd) then it is a 
Transcription.


The distinction is important because you cannot be assured of the 
accuracy


of a transcription.



In the case of the Newspaper template which only offers Online Images as 
a


content type, I would simply change the entry in that field when 
creating my


Master Source.





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Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

[Barton Lewis]

Jenny, can you please explain what you mean by "change the entry in that
field when creating my master source?"  Which field?  I don't understand how
"online image" relates to any field in the template, to begin with, so I
don't know what field I am supposed to change or what I should change it to.

Barton

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From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Jenny M Benson
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 12:39 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

  For example, in the template I ended up selecting,
> "Newspapers>Online images (issued by unrelated content provider)," I 
> asked if "issued" means "published on this website," which I assume it 
> does.

That's the assumption I would make.

  I also nitpicked about the use of "online image;" I assume that
> is equivalent to a transcription although it seems somewhat imprecise. 
> The distinction is perhaps not important.

No, an online image is an actual digital image of an original document. 
If the words have been copied (typed or OCR'd) then it is a Transcription.
The distinction is important because you cannot be assured of the accuracy
of a transcription.

In the case of the Newspaper template which only offers Online Images as a
content type, I would simply change the entry in that field when creating my
Master Source.


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Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

[BARTON LEWIS]

Hi Shirley, yes, I always insert the state abbreviation in the newspaper 
title after the name of the city or town.  I don't know why the Legacy 
template provides a field for the state which does not output.  I 
believe I read in EE that it's fine to do this (insert the state 
abbreviation) for clarification in the newspaper title.

Barton


On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Shirley Crampton wrote:

Barton
With this citation it is important to include Michigan since there is a 
Grand Rapids in either Illinois or Indiana.

Shirley


On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:05 PM, BARTON LEWIS 
<bartonle...@optonline.net <mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net> > wrote:
I agree.  The only 2 options Legacy includes for online obituaries that 
are "issued by unrelated content provider" have the descriptor "online 
images" in them.  I'm not sure if there is any material effect on the 
citation by using the template for an obituary that has been 
transcribed.  The output I provided appears to be clear and sufficient, 
so I guess that's what counts.  Still, it might be nice if the template 
were styled "Newspapers>Online images or transcriptions (issued by 
unrelated content provider" (my change in bold).




On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 11:18 AM, bobstree2 wrote:

I will not get involved in the "correct way" of sourcing, that is a 
personal choice.   But i do see a major distinction between an image and 
a transcription. 



An image is a picture of an actual item as it exists to the 
photographer/scanner.    




But a transcription is someone's interpretation of the actual item.  A 
transcription is subject to clerical errors, missing information 
accidentally or intentional, and or personal conclusions and/or 
editing. 



An image is closer to a Primary Source depending on many factors.
A transcription is definitely Secondary Source at best. 





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From: BARTON LEWIS <bartonle...@optonline.net 
<mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net> >

Date: 7/14/17  10:28 AM  (GMT-05:00)
To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com 
<mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> >

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary


Hi Cathy,
Thank you for your reply.  However, I did take a look at the existing 
templates (I thought my post reflected that).  I also may have provided 
"TMI" (I tend to do this), was not sufficiently succinct and/or asked 
obvious questions.  For example, in the template I ended up selecting, 
"Newspapers>Online images (issued by unrelated content provider)," I 
asked if "issued" means "published on this website," which I assume it 
does.  I also nitpicked about the use of "online image;" I assume that 
is equivalent to a transcription although it seems somewhat imprecise.  
The distinction is perhaps not important. 


The output for my obituary is:
"Andrew Kulesa," Grand Rapids Press, 23 Aug 2014; database, MLive Media 
Group 
(http://obits.mlive.com/obituaries/grandrapids/obituary.aspx?pid=172223191 
<http://obits.mlive.com/obituaries/grandrapids/obituary.aspx?pid=172223191> 
: accessed 14 Jul 2017), Obituaries.
I think this is good.  The only gripe I have is that, although the 
template provides a field for "State," this does not appear in the 
output.  I think the way around this is to insert the state's 
abbreviation in parentheses between "Rapids" and "Press."


On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 02:13 AM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
Barton,

There may not be any - take a look.

Cathy



Barton Lewis wrote:



So here’s a source citation problem that I would be interested in

hearing feedback about: I found an obituary for someone that provides

his mother’s maiden name, an important link to a DNA match that I

haven’t been able to obtain otherwise. The obituary is on a website

for a company that calls itself “[X] Media Group” (the “X” is

replacing its actual name). The obit came up when Googling the man’s

mother’s married name, and appears on a page that has the following

inscription at top: “Obituaries & Guestbooks Provided by Funeral

Directors & Families from the Grand Rapids Press.” X Media Group, on

its About Us page states it is “an audience-first venture encompassing

content, sales, and ma
rketing professionals that care deeply about

digital marketing.” Which Master Source template should I use? The

obituary is not issued by the publisher, if “issued” is the same as

published on the website in question, correct? The templates which

include “issued by unrelated content provider” would seem to be the

correct ones, but they all include the categorization “online image.”

Is there a difference between an “online image” and a transcription of

the obituary? Is the former an actual digital image of the obituary as

it appeared in the newspaper? If so, is it appropriate to use this

templat

Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

[BARTON LEWIS]

I agree.  The only 2 options Legacy includes for online obituaries that 
are "issued by unrelated content provider" have the descriptor "online 
images" in them.  I'm not sure if there is any material effect on the 
citation by using the template for an obituary that has been 
transcribed.  The output I provided appears to be clear and sufficient, 
so I guess that's what counts.  Still, it might be nice if the template 
were styled "Newspapers>Online images or transcriptions (issued by 
unrelated content provider" (my change in bold).



On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 11:18 AM, bobstree2 wrote:

I will not get involved in the "correct way" of sourcing, that is a 
personal choice.   But i do see a major distinction between an image and 
a transcription. 



An image is a picture of an actual item as it exists to the 
photographer/scanner.    




But a transcription is someone's interpretation of the actual item.  A 
transcription is subject to clerical errors, missing information 
accidentally or intentional, and or personal conclusions and/or 
editing. 



An image is closer to a Primary Source depending on many factors.
A transcription is definitely Secondary Source at best. 





---- Original message 
From: BARTON LEWIS <bartonle...@optonline.net>
Date: 7/14/17  10:28 AM  (GMT-05:00)
To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary


Hi Cathy,
Thank you for your reply.  However, I did take a look at the existing 
templates (I thought my post reflected that).  I also may have provided 
"TMI" (I tend to do this), was not sufficiently succinct and/or asked 
obvious questions.  For example, in the template I ended up selecting, 
"Newspapers>Online images (issued by unrelated content provider)," I 
asked if "issued" means "published on this website," which I assume it 
does.  I also nitpicked about the use of "online image;" I assume that 
is equivalent to a transcription although it seems somewhat imprecise.  
The distinction is perhaps not important. 


The output for my obituary is:
"Andrew Kulesa," Grand Rapids Press, 23 Aug 2014; database, MLive Media 
Group 
(http://obits.mlive.com/obituaries/grandrapids/obituary.aspx?pid=172223191 
: accessed 14 Jul 2017), Obituaries.
I think this is good.  The only gripe I have is that, although the 
template provides a field for "State," this does not appear in the 
output.  I think the way around this is to insert the state's 
abbreviation in parentheses between "Rapids" and "Press."


On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 02:13 AM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
Barton,

There may not be any - take a look.

Cathy



Barton Lewis wrote:



So here’s a source citation problem that I would be interested in

hearing feedback about: I found an obituary for someone that provides

his mother’s maiden name, an important link to a DNA match that I

haven’t been able to obtain otherwise. The obituary is on a website

for a company that calls itself “[X] Media Group” (the “X” is

replacing its actual name). The obit came up when Googling the man’s

mother’s married name, and appears on a page that has the following

inscription at top: “Obituaries & Guestbooks Provided by Funeral

Directors & Families from the Grand Rapids Press.” X Media Group, on

its About Us page states it is “an audience-first venture encompassing

content, sales, and ma
rketing professionals that care deeply about

digital marketing.” Which Master Source template should I use? The

obituary is not issued by the publisher, if “issued” is the same as

published on the website in question, correct? The templates which

include “issued by unrelated content provider” would seem to be the

correct ones, but they all include the categorization “online image.”

Is there a difference between an “online image” and a transcription of

the obituary? Is the former an actual digital image of the obituary as

it appeared in the newspaper? If so, is it appropriate to use this

template since the obituary is a transcription?



Finally, why is there a separate category for some of the templates

that includes “periodicals” in front of the rest of the descriptors,

e.g. “Newspapers>online archives>issued by the publisher” vs.

“Periodicals>Newspapers>online archives&
gt;issued by the publisher”;

what’s the difference between the two?



Thanks,



Barton

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Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

[BARTON LEWIS]

Hi Cathy,
Thank you for your reply.  However, I did take a look at the existing 
templates (I thought my post reflected that).  I also may have provided 
"TMI" (I tend to do this), was not sufficiently succinct and/or asked 
obvious questions.  For example, in the template I ended up selecting, 
"Newspapers>Online images (issued by unrelated content provider)," I 
asked if "issued" means "published on this website," which I assume it 
does.  I also nitpicked about the use of "online image;" I assume that 
is equivalent to a transcription although it seems somewhat imprecise.  
The distinction is perhaps not important. 


The output for my obituary is:
"Andrew Kulesa," Grand Rapids Press, 23 Aug 2014; database, MLive Media 
Group 
(http://obits.mlive.com/obituaries/grandrapids/obituary.aspx?pid=172223191 
: accessed 14 Jul 2017), Obituaries.
I think this is good.  The only gripe I have is that, although the 
template provides a field for "State," this does not appear in the 
output.  I think the way around this is to insert the state's 
abbreviation in parentheses between "Rapids" and "Press."


On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 02:13 AM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
Barton,

There may not be any - take a look.

Cathy



Barton Lewis wrote:



So here’s a source citation problem that I would be interested in

hearing feedback about: I found an obituary for someone that provides

his mother’s maiden name, an important link to a DNA match that I

haven’t been able to obtain otherwise. The obituary is on a website

for a company that calls itself “[X] Media Group” (the “X” is

replacing its actual name). The obit came up when Googling the man’s

mother’s married name, and appears on a page that has the following

inscription at top: “Obituaries & Guestbooks Provided by Funeral

Directors & Families from the Grand Rapids Press.” X Media Group, on

its About Us page states it is “an audience-first venture encompassing

content, sales, and ma
rketing professionals that care deeply about

digital marketing.” Which Master Source template should I use? The

obituary is not issued by the publisher, if “issued” is the same as

published on the website in question, correct? The templates which

include “issued by unrelated content provider” would seem to be the

correct ones, but they all include the categorization “online image.”

Is there a difference between an “online image” and a transcription of

the obituary? Is the former an actual digital image of the obituary as

it appeared in the newspaper? If so, is it appropriate to use this

template since the obituary is a transcription?



Finally, why is there a separate category for some of the templates

that includes “periodicals” in front of the rest of the descriptors,

e.g. “Newspapers>online archives>issued by the publisher” vs.

“Periodicals>Newspapers>online archives&
gt;issued by the publisher”;

what’s the difference between the two?



Thanks,



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[LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

[Barton Lewis]

So here's a source citation problem that I would be interested in hearing
feedback about:  I found an obituary for someone that provides his mother's
maiden name, an important link to a DNA match that I haven't been able to
obtain otherwise.  The obituary is on a website for a company that calls
itself "[X] Media Group" (the "X" is replacing its actual name).  The obit
came up when Googling the man's mother's married name, and appears on a page
that has the following inscription at top:  "Obituaries & Guestbooks
Provided by Funeral Directors & Families from the Grand Rapids Press."  X
Media Group, on its About Us page states it is "an audience-first venture
encompassing content, sales, and marketing professionals that care deeply
about digital marketing."  Which Master Source template should I use?  The
obituary is not issued by the publisher, if "issued" is the same as
published on the website in question, correct?  The templates which include
"issued by unrelated content provider" would seem to be the correct ones,
but they all include the categorization "online image."  Is there a
difference between an "online image" and a transcription of the obituary?
Is the former an actual digital image of the obituary as it appeared in the
newspaper?  If so, is it appropriate to use this template since the obituary
is a transcription?

 

Finally, why is there a separate category for some of the templates that
includes "periodicals" in front of the rest of the descriptors, e.g.
"Newspapers>online archives>issued by the publisher" vs.
"Periodicals>Newspapers>online archives>issued by the publisher"; what's the
difference between the two?

 

Thanks,

 

Barton

 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Help With Citing Sources

[BARTON LEWIS]

Dennis,

Elizabeth Shown Mills' "Evidence Explained" is the standard work for 
source citations.  Google it and you can see examples on her website, 
and/or purchase the entire book.  You may be able to find prior versions 
on sale at ebay or amazon, which should be adequate and save some 
money.  Beware:  it's not just a book but a "tome" but it covers 
everything.  Better safe than sorry.


Barton


On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 02:46 PM, Dennis Birke wrote:

Thanks for the suggestions.  I have watched Geoff's webinar on citing 
sources and it’s very helpful -- as far as it goes.  I think what I'm 
looking for is a manual that gives examples for the commonly cited 
sources.


For example, when citing Federal census records, what is the Master 
source and what is the detail?  Is the Master source the record at the 
state level? Or county level?  Or city/town/ township level?
I'd like to have a reference book or manual that tells me what the 
standard practice is -- so that I don't have to spend hours trying to 
think it through or proceeding on a trial and error basis and then 
having to re-do a dozen entries after discovering I guessed wrong.
Another example:  Cites like FamilySearch are very helpful in offering 
full citations for some kinds of information.  But, I've been having a 
very difficult time figuring out how to fit those citations into 
Source Writer (and, again, figuring out the appropriate level for 
separating a "master source" from "details".
I'm thinking I can't be the only person to have struggled with these 
issues and someone has probably written something that answers all or 
most of my questions.  I'm trying to identify that book or manual or 
website, etc.


Don't get me wrong -- I really do appreciate how powerful a tool 
Source Writer might be.  But it assumes a level of knowledge that a 
novice like myself just doesn't have.


-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] 
On Behalf Of Cathy Pinner

Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 9:11 PM
To: Legacy User Group Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help With Citing Sources

Michele has given you the link to a very popular webinar.

You don't have to be a professional to need to cite your sources in a 
way that someone else can understand - that someone could be you in a 
few years time.


There's nothing wrong with using Basic Sources.

The most important thing to get your head around is Master Sources and 
Source Detail. Together they provide everything you or someone else 
needs to know to find the source (or to know why they can't find it 
because it's from a document/Family Bible/etc that you own or saw when 
you visited Uncle John.) A book is easy.

The book is the Master source and the page is the Source Detail.
But what about something you find on FamilySearch?
The easiest way to source FamilySearch data is to create a Basic 
Source with the Master Source just saying FamilySearch in the Source 
List Name (which is your finding aid for refinding a Master Source) 
and FamilySearch in the Title.
Then you can copy and paste the FamilySearch source to the Source 
Detail
- sometimes it will fit in the Source Detail box but often it's too 
long, so put it in the Source Detail Comment and checkmark that to be 
included. The transcription is copy and pasted into the Source Detail 
text and not normally included in the citation.

The same can be done with the source that Ancestry provides.

With the SourceWriter simply remember that you don't have to put 
something in every available box. These are general templates that 
don't always apply.


For online databases and online databases with original images, you 
can use the SourceWriter internet templates for these.
The name of the particular database goes in the Master Source. In the 
source detail something like "entry for Joe Bloggs" and in the credit 
line - where Ancestry etc got the information.
This can be more useful than putting all Ancestry sources into one 
Master Source. It's an advanced step but you can more easily find 
which people you've looked for and found in a particular database if 
you have a Master Source for each database.


It's much harder adding sources later but no reason not to start. Use 
tags to indicate that you have sourced everything you've entered for 
that person. The source icon lights up with just one source so isn't 
useful for letting you know that you still have work to do.


Have fun - I'm still cleaning up sources that I entered when I first 
started that fortunately still make some sense to me but wouldn't to 
anybody else.


Cathy

Michele/Support Thursday, 13 July 2017 5:19 AM

Have you watched Geoff’s free webinar, Sources and Citations Made 
Simple, Standard, and Powerful?  It definitely takes the mystery out 
of it.


https://familytreewebinars.com/download.php?webinar_id=201

Michele Simmons Lewis, CG

Legacy Family Tree

mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
www.legacyfamilytree.com
Certified Genealogist is a 

Re: [LegacyUG] source for book on website?

[Barton Lewis]

Thanks, Cathy.  I wasn’t thinking of the online book as a “reprint” but I guess 
that’s what it is.  I found the appropriate Master Source.

 

Barton

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 11:39 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] source for book on website?

 

Barton,

Who knows what "Electronic book" means. It seems to mean in digital form, 
including audio, so it isn't necessarily online. The part you quote goes on to 
explain that. Could be on CD or Kindle or even tape as an audio.

If you go in Legacy to Add - SourceWriter source,  instead of searching for 
12.79 you go to Books and look through the options for "reprint" and then 
choose "online", you'll find the templates that do what you need.
I think it should have place for the original publisher and publication place 
instead of just the original publication date so I put full original 
publication details in that original publication date box.

Note be guided most by ESM's principles. She can't give a detailed model for 
absolutely every source type and doesn't even try for most of the world.

Note if you really need to be "exact" to what ESM would enter, rather than meet 
the criteria of using a recognised sourcing style so that someone else can find 
your source, you can ask on her forum. https://www.evidenceexplained.com/

To enter it in Legacy, you'll still have to come back to the SourceWriter and 
choose a template and then decide how much of it you need to use and how in 
order to replicate her model.

Cathy

BARTON LEWIS wrote:




I want to cite an obituary printed in a book that has been put online. 
I consulted ESM and find her lacking in fullness and clarity on this 
issue. Am I wrong? In her section 12.60 she says,

"Electronic books and their online equivalents [isn't that a 
non-sequitur - an electronic book is by definition online] generally 
take one of four forms:

- audio versions of books issued in print;
- text publications solely released on CD-ROM or online;
- digital image editions of books previously publis hed in print; and
- reformatted digital editions of books previously appearing in paper 
form."

The book I am interested in would appear to fit the last of the 4 
categories. She says she treats this in section 12.79. However, there 
is nothing in this section that references websites, url's or the 
internet. Rather, she discusses these "reprints" as if they are 
printed books, making no reference to them appearing online. Am I 
wrong, or is there nowhere in EE where she talks about the proper 
citation for a book appearing online (and corresponding master source 
template in Legacy) that is not an audio book; on a CD-ROM or digital 
image of an original work?

Thanks,

Barton

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[LegacyUG] source for book on website?

[BARTON LEWIS]

I want to cite an obituary printed in a book that has been put online. 
 I consulted ESM and find her lacking in fullness and clarity on this 
issue.  Am I wrong?  In her section 12.60 she says,


"Electronic books and their online equivalents [isn't that a 
non-sequitur - an electronic book is by definition online] generally 
take one of four forms:



- audio versions of books issued in print;
- text publications solely released on CD-ROM or online;
- digital image editions of books previously published in print; and
- reformatted digital editions of books previously appearing in paper 
form."



The book I am interested in would appear to fit the last of the 4 
categories.  She says she treats this in section 12.79.  However, there 
is nothing in this section that references websites, url's or the 
internet.  Rather, she discusses these "reprints" as if they are printed 
books, making no reference to them appearing online.  Am I wrong, or is 
there nowhere in EE where she talks about the proper citation for a book 
appearing online (and corresponding master source template in Legacy) 
that is not an audio book; on a CD-ROM or digital image of an original 
work?



Thanks,


Barton

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Re: [LegacyUG] Remove Source Citations

[BARTON LEWIS]

thanks


On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 04:41 PM, Kris wrote:



https://www.google.com/search?q=genealogy+do-over

Lots of stuff about it.

On 5/8/2017 1:44 PM, BARTON LEWIS wrote:

What's the "Genealogy Do-Over?"


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Re: [LegacyUG] Remove Source Citations

[BARTON LEWIS]

What's the "Genealogy Do-Over?"

Barton


On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 01:59 PM, Kris wrote:

I'm doing my version of the "Genealogy Do-Over" and want to retain my 
Master Sources but remove all the source citations from individuals 
and events.


I did the export/import GEDCOM but lost all the Master Sources in the 
process.  I've also experimented with the search list -- but it wants 
confirmation for each and every delete.  I'll be dead before that gets 
done.


I'm sure the export/import GEDCOM is the way to go, but I'm not sure 
which items to remove from the export.


Thanks!

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Tip of the Day

[BARTON LEWIS]

Just adding to the positive reaction to the Legacy tip - I am also very 
rarely on FB.



Barton


On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 07:02 PM, Anne Wiltshire wrote:


Thanks Michele another non Facebook user.

Anne

-Original Message- From: Michele/Support
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 11:40 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy Tip of the Day

I am going to start cross posting the tips that I post on the Legacy 
User
Group Facebook page so that those of you that are not on Facebook you 
will

see them too.


TIP OF THE DAY (Legacy Staff) - Another Easter Egg feature

Open someone's Individual's Information screen (this is where you 
actually

add data to someone)

Click the FamilySearch ID LABEL. If the person does not have an FSID 
number
already in the field, you will get FamilySearch's record search 
results
page. If they do have an FSID entered you will go directly to their 
Family

Tree page. I LOVE THIS!

Now click the Find a Grave ID LABEL. If the person does not have a FaG
memorial number already entered, you will get the FaG search results 
page.
If the person does have a FaG memorial number entered, you will get 
their

FaG memorial page.



Michele Simmons Lewis, CG
Legacy Family Tree
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
www.legacyfamilytree.com

Certified Genealogist is a registered trademark and the designation CG 
is a
service mark of the Board for Certification of GenealogistsR, used 
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Re: [LegacyUG] sourcing question

[BARTON LEWIS]

Good to know, thanks.


On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 04:08 PM, Brian Kelly wrote:

If you open a person's assigned sources screen you will see that you 
can assign a source to the Father - Child and Mother Child 
relationships.


I personally do not do that but anyone who intends to apply to one of 
the associations like Daughters or Sons of the American Revolution 
which require proof of your descent from a revolutionary war 
participant needs to assign sources to those fields because those 
societies are very interested in what documents were used to confirm 
the descent.


Brian Kelly

On 21-Apr-17 1:12 PM, BARTON LEWIS wrote:

Diane,
I see your point now - add it to all 3 name fields (the child and 
both
parents).  I would absolutely do that if it were the only or one of 
the
only sources for the relationship, and I understand the reason for 
doing
it regardless.  Here is my dilemma:  I have transcribed the sketch 
which
is about 4 paragraphs, and I am reluctant to add the source without 
the

transcript, and I am also reluctant to add the source for every
relationship named (the many siblings and aunts and uncles of the
sketch's subject).  So I have to decide how to err - on the side of
leaving out a good (but not the only) source for the relationships or
having a lot of information duplicated and taking up a lot of printed
space in reports, etc.
Barton


On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 01:00 PM, Diane wrote:

Barton;
It is probably an unnecessary step   to add the source to the father
relationship and mother relationship fields, but it is something I do
routinely.

Diane


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On Behalf Of BARTON LEWIS
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 9:27 AM
To: Legacy User Group Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] sourcing question

hi Diane, thanks for your reply.  By adding the book as a source in 
the
name field, I assume that's what I would be doing (using the book as 
a

source for those relationships).
Barton


On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Diane wrote:
Barton;

You could also use the book as a source for child/parent 
relationships.


Diane


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 ] On Behalf Of Barton
Lewis
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 7:45 PM
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Re: [LegacyUG] sourcing question

[BARTON LEWIS]

Diane,
I see your point now - add it to all 3 name fields (the child and both 
parents).  I would absolutely do that if it were the only or one of the 
only sources for the relationship, and I understand the reason for doing 
it regardless.  Here is my dilemma:  I have transcribed the sketch which 
is about 4 paragraphs, and I am reluctant to add the source without the 
transcript, and I am also reluctant to add the source for every 
relationship named (the many siblings and aunts and uncles of the 
sketch's subject).  So I have to decide how to err - on the side of 
leaving out a good (but not the only) source for the relationships or 
having a lot of information duplicated and taking up a lot of printed 
space in reports, etc.

Barton


On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 01:00 PM, Diane wrote:

Barton;
It is probably an unnecessary step   to add the source to the father 
relationship and mother relationship fields, but it is something I do 
routinely.

 
Diane
 
 
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] 
On Behalf Of BARTON LEWIS

Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 9:27 AM
To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] sourcing question
 
hi Diane, thanks for your reply.  By adding the book as a source in the 
name field, I assume that's what I would be doing (using the book as a 
source for those relationships).

Barton


On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Diane wrote:
Barton;
 
You could also use the book as a source for child/parent relationships.
 
Diane
 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com 
<mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> ] On Behalf Of Barton 
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Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 7:45 PM
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Subject: [LegacyUG] sourcing question

 
As a little diversion to all the questions about Legacy 9, I found a 
biographical sketch of my ancestor’s brother in a Texas history book 
published in 1893.  It contains a trove of information about my 
ancestor’s family and that of his parents, presumably from the subject 
who was 44 years old at the time.  The names of his siblings and aunts 
and uncles and all their spouses are included.  As a source for these 
names, I’m wondering where to best enter them; I usually put census 
entries into the birth field, since date and place of birth are always 
identified (usually).  Since date and place are not included in the 
sketch, should the source be added to the person’s name?  I usually 
don’t input sources into the name field but this seems to make the best 
sense.  Any thought would be appreciated.

 
Thanks,
 
Barton

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Re: [LegacyUG] sourcing question

[BARTON LEWIS]

hi Diane, thanks for your reply.  By adding the book as a source in the 
name field, I assume that's what I would be doing (using the book as a 
source for those relationships).

Barton


On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Diane wrote:

Barton;
 
You could also use the book as a source for child/parent relationships.
 
Diane
 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] 
On Behalf Of Barton Lewis

Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 7:45 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: [LegacyUG] sourcing question

 
As a little diversion to all the questions about Legacy 9, I found a 
biographical sketch of my ancestor’s brother in a Texas history book 
published in 1893.  It contains a trove of information about my 
ancestor’s family and that of his parents, presumably from the subject 
who was 44 years old at the time.  The names of his siblings and aunts 
and uncles and all their spouses are included.  As a source for these 
names, I’m wondering where to best enter them; I usually put census 
entries into the birth field, since date and place of birth are always 
identified (usually).  Since date and place are not included in the 
sketch, should the source be added to the person’s name?  I usually 
don’t input sources into the name field but this seems to make the best 
sense.  Any thought would be appreciated.

 
Thanks,
 
Barton
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Re: [LegacyUG] sourcing question

[BARTON LEWIS]

This sounds like sound advice.  Thank you.  I have not upgraded to 
Legacy 9 yet - a bit nervous as I some have described problems but the 
consensus seems to be that it's fine.  So I'll go ahead and do it and 
check out the Stories feature. 


Barton


On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 08:17 AM, Brian Kelly wrote:


I see two things here:

1. The article/excerpt itself seems like it was tailor-made for the 
new Stories feature in Legacy 9.0. I would enter the entire sketch and 
use the Texas history book as the source. You can then share that 
story with all the other family members mentioned if you wish.


2. If the article mentions new people (or new information about 
existing ones) then I would enter/add the data and use the article as 
the source for the data. For example, if the article has a date that 
you were missing then it is the source for that new date. If it 
mentions a new person then it is the source for all the data you enter 
from that article about that person.


Brian Kelly

On 20-Apr-17 10:44 PM, Barton Lewis wrote:

As a little diversion to all the questions about Legacy 9, I found a
biographical sketch of my ancestor’s brother in a Texas history book
published in 1893.  It contains a trove of information about my
ancestor’s family and that of his parents, presumably from the 
subject
who was 44 years old at the time.  The names of his siblings and 
aunts

and uncles and all their spouses are included.  As a source for these
names, I’m wondering where to best enter them; I usually put census
entries into the birth field, since date and place of birth are 
always

identified (usually).  Since date and place are not included in the
sketch, should the source be added to the person’s name?  I usually
don’t input sources into the name field but this seems to make the 
best

sense.  Any thought would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Barton



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Re: [LegacyUG] sourcing question

[BARTON LEWIS]

Thanks, Cathy.  Both you and Jenny have asked me why I don't source 
names.  I should clarify.  The censuses form the foundation for 
identifying the composition of families (for me), and provide one of the 
most important vitals - a person's place and date of birth.  I enter the 
census data in the birth field for an individual and that record 
contains (for most censuses after 1870) their relationship to HOH.  I 
feel that it would be duplicative to add that same record to the name 
field.  It would also significantly add to the notes at the end of a 
report, for example, and since I transcribe each and every census entry 
and include it with my citation, I prefer not to have those entries 
appearing multiple times. 
If other data in addition to the name is being given then I tend to add 
the source for that data - and not additionally to the name.  However, 
when a record proves a name and there is no other confirmatory evidence 
for it, I'll add that record to the name field.  E.g. if a deceased 
person's mother is listed in their death certificate, and that's the 
only source for her maiden name, I'll enter that source in the name 
field for the mother.  (Death certificates, of course, present their own 
problems.)  A deed which states someone is giving land to "my beloved 
son" would be a source for the person's name (name field).  I may or may 
not add that if other sources (e.g. censuses) existed for that person 
which identified their relationship to their parent, but I would 
definitely add it if there were no other confirmatory evidence of their 
relationship.  I welcome your thoughts on this approach.

Barton

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 12:27 AM, Cathy Pinner wrote:


You don't source Names?

How do you know where you found the name or the name variants?



Yes if it only has the name, then you add the source to the name.

If it had name and birth date, I'd add it to both name and birth date.



The only exceptions for me is if I have a number of better sources for 
the Name already.




Cathy



Barton Lewis wrote:



As a little diversion to all the questions about Legacy 9, I found a

biographical sketch of my ancestor’s brother in a Texas history book

published in 1893. It contains a trove of information about my

ancestor’s family and that of his parents, presumably from the subject

who was 44 years old at the time. The names of his siblings and aunts

and uncles and all their spouses are included. As a source for these

names, I’m wondering where to
best enter them; I usually put census

entries into the birth field, since date and place of birth are always

identified (usually). Since date and place are not included in the

sketch, should the source be added to the person’s name? I usually

don’t input sources into the name field but this seems to make the

best sense. Any thought would be appreciated.



Thanks,



Barton

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[LegacyUG] sourcing question

[Barton Lewis]

As a little diversion to all the questions about Legacy 9, I found a
biographical sketch of my ancestor's brother in a Texas history book
published in 1893.  It contains a trove of information about my ancestor's
family and that of his parents, presumably from the subject who was 44 years
old at the time.  The names of his siblings and aunts and uncles and all
their spouses are included.  As a source for these names, I'm wondering
where to best enter them; I usually put census entries into the birth field,
since date and place of birth are always identified (usually).  Since date
and place are not included in the sketch, should the source be added to the
person's name?  I usually don't input sources into the name field but this
seems to make the best sense.  Any thought would be appreciated.

 

Thanks,

 

Barton

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy html encoding

[BARTON LEWIS]

I amend this prior post - I was able to change the coding and now 
Brackets open the file.  Thank you for your help.


Barton


On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Barton Lewis wrote:

Thanks.  I downloaded NoteTab Light and opened the Legacy html file. 
Am I supposed to search and replace within the actual file?  I 
searched for "windows-1252" and that string was not found.


Barton

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On Behalf Of Gene Young

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:58 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy html encoding

On 1/15/2017 11:16 PM, Barton Lewis wrote:
I output a descendant book report to html and want to open it in my 
code editor, Brackets.  I get an error message when trying to do so, 
which says “Brackets currently only supports UTF-8 encoded text 
files.”  I want research how to convert the html file to this type of 
encoded file, but first need to know what type of encoding Legacy 
uses for the html output file.  Does anybody know?




Many thanks,



Barton



They are encoded as "windows-1252".  Do a global search and replace 
with UTF-8.  I would recomment switching to NoteTab Light for coding 
your pages as it will open any text based file.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy html encoding

[Barton Lewis]

Thanks.  I downloaded NoteTab Light and opened the Legacy html file.  Am I 
supposed to search and replace within the actual file?  I searched for 
"windows-1252" and that string was not found.

Barton

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From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Gene Young
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:58 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy html encoding

On 1/15/2017 11:16 PM, Barton Lewis wrote:
> I output a descendant book report to html and want to open it in my code 
> editor, Brackets.  I get an error message when trying to do so, which says 
> “Brackets currently only supports UTF-8 encoded text files.”  I want research 
> how to convert the html file to this type of encoded file, but first need to 
> know what type of encoding Legacy uses for the html output file.  Does 
> anybody know?
>
>
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
>
> Barton
>
>
>
They are encoded as "windows-1252".  Do a global search and replace with UTF-8. 
 I would recomment switching to NoteTab Light for coding your pages as it will 
open any text based file.

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Re: [LegacyUG] coding register reports (descendant book reports) for the web

[BARTON LEWIS]

Hi, thanks Steve, this was subsequently resolved by establishing that I 
was cc'ing in my reply as a result of hitting "reply to all;" my posts 
are now only being posted once.


Best,

Barton

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 08:57 AM, Steve Hayes wrote:


On 10 Jan 2017 at 15:32, BARTON LEWIS wrote:

My apologies (adding insult to injury here, even though it's not 
really my fault) - but I am no longer double-posting to dna-newbie, I 
just checked - and it's just to this list that messages appear 
twice.  I wish I
knew why but it would seem it's not a problem on my end.  If someone 
thinks

otherwise, I'd be glad to troubleshoot it.  Barton


I am not seeing your messages twice, at least not in ther normal 
course of events.


I do sometimes see lots of people's messages twice, but that is 
because of a fault in my ADSL line, where the connection if often 
broken before I have finished downloading my messages, and it often 
takes between 5 and 10 attempts before I manage to get all of them, 
but that's not your fault.
But what I DID see in replying was that there was also a reply to the 
group in the CC line, so check that you are not sending a CC to the 
group.
I'm having similar problems sending replies, so I'm not sure when you 
will see this.



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[LegacyUG] Legacy html encoding

[Barton Lewis]

I output a descendant book report to html and want to open it in my code
editor, Brackets.  I get an error message when trying to do so, which says
"Brackets currently only supports UTF-8 encoded text files."  I want
research how to convert the html file to this type of encoded file, but
first need to know what type of encoding Legacy uses for the html output
file.  Does anybody know?

 

Many thanks,

 

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Re: [LegacyUG] coding register reports (descendant book reports) for the web

[BARTON LEWIS]

Thanks, Ian.  I will download TextPad 7 tonight at home and see if I can 
figure out how to do this.  Since it is not a matter of changing the 
file extension, I am not sure what is involved.  I wonder if I need to 
know how the file I'm trying to convert is encoded in order to change it 
to UTF-8 - is something I can find out from Legacy, do you know?

Barton


On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 03:38 AM, Ian Thomas wrote:




If you need to change code page (of a .txt or .html or other text file) 
there are free to use text editors like TextPad 7 in which

 you can open the file, then save as a different code page (eg UTF-8).

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

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On Behalf Of BARTON LEWIS

Sent: Tuesday, 10 January 2017 3:34 PM

To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>

Cc: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] coding register reports (descendant book 
reports) for the web


 

Okay, thanks.  I'll do some research on UTF-8 encoded text files.



Barton








On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 11:31 PM, Cathy Pinner wrote:


Sorry.

I have no idea.

I don't do web pages.

I just know where the various options for HTML output are in Legacy.



Cathy



BARTON LEWIS wrote:







Hi Cathy,



I tried that, but when I tried to open the page in my code editor

(Brackets), I got a message saying "Brackets currently only supports

UTF-8 encoded text files." I wonder if it's worth it to try a

different code editor? I assume that if I used one that were able to

open the page, it would already be formatted for me and I could make

global changes more easily than if I were trying to do so "from

scratch," is that true?



Thanks,



Barton







On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 10:23 PM, Cathy Pinner wrote:



    Barton,



    Why aren't you using the option of creating the Book report in

    HTML format and then editing that to add more?

    The option is in the same place you found the RTF option.



    Cathy



    gerald wrote:









    I don't know why you want to make all that extra work for yourself.

    Isn't there an option to publish web pages? In the Internet menu --

    there are all kinds of formats for the web pages you want -- you can

    customize them in so many ways Wouldn't that be much simpler?

    Just one

    click and it is done, without having to do any editing, although you

    can do that too, if you like. Or did I miss the point?

    *Sent:* Monday, January 09, 2017 at 5:36 PM

    *From:* "BARTON LEWIS" <bartonle...@optonline.net 
<mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net> >


     *To:* "Legacy User Group" <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com 
<mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> >


    *Cc:* "Legacy User Group " <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com 
<mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> >


    *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] coding register reports (descendant book

    reports) for the web

    Thanks, Jennie, but no, I have not tried that as I want to actually

    enter the data as code (html) into my webpage.



    But I think I found the solution: if I export to rtf as a descendant

    book, as opposed to descendant narrative book, I do get tabs and

    spaces, each with a unique format depending on the generation. So I

    should be able to use either CSS or JS to manipulate the text into a

    particular format of my choosing.



    Barton







    On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 05:3 4 PM, Jennie Matheson wrote:



    Hi Lewis,

    Have you tried opening the report in a word processor such as Word

    and saving it as a web page - not sure if this will work, but it may

    Jennie

    On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 5:31 AM, BARTON LEWIS

    <bartonle...@optonline.net <mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net 
<mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net%20%3cmailto:bartonle...@optonline.net> 

wrote:




    I am trying to figure out how to create custom-styled register

    reports ("descendant book reports" in Legacy parlance) for the

    web; I am building my genealogy website and would like to

    include the 1st 4 generations of my lines along with other

    data (images, narrative etc.) on individual pages. I exported

    a descendant book report to RTF. The result is a report which

    reta ins formatting but uses ruler indents and if I just copy

    that text into a text editor, I will have to manually form at a

    lot of it using css. I was hoping to perhaps use Javascript to

    somehow format levels of text differently but I am not

    proficient in that language and don't know if I can do that.

    If anyone has had experience coding their own register reports

    to create cutom-styled formatting for the web, I would be

    interested in hearing. Thanks,



    Barton



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Re: [LegacyUG] coding register reports (descendant book reports) for the web

[BARTON LEWIS]

As I stated in my reply to Cathy Pinner, my code editor, Brackets, won't 
allow me to open the html files generated by Legacy.  I get the message 
"Brackets currently only supports


UTF-8 encoded text files."  I would certainly consider this option if I 
were able to open the files.


On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 11:36 PM, bobstree2 wrote:

It sounds like you are only interested in working with HTML?  Have you 
looked at the Legacy outputs for the web? They are already in HTML.   
Now you can edit them with some CSS code and other auxiliary tools.   
Converting RTF from Word to web also results in HTML output.  I am 
totally confused about why you are dismissing these options.  



Good luck finding what you think you want. 












 


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Re: [LegacyUG] coding register reports (descendant book reports) for the web

[BARTON LEWIS]

Okay, thanks.  I'll do some research on UTF-8 encoded text files.
Barton


On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 11:31 PM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
Sorry.

I have no idea.

I don't do web pages.

I just know where the various options for HTML output are in Legacy.



Cathy



BARTON LEWIS wrote:



Hi Cathy,



I tried that, but when I tried to open the page in my code editor

(Brackets), I got a message saying "Brackets currently only supports

UTF-8 encoded text files." I wonder if it's worth it to try a

different code editor? I assume that if I used one that were able to

open the page, it would already be formatted for me and I could make

global changes more easily than if I were trying to do so "from

scratch," is that true?



Thanks,



Barton







On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 10:23 PM, Cathy Pinner wrote:



    Barton,



    Why aren't you using the option of creating the Book
 report in

    HTML format and then editing that to add more?

    The option is in the same place you found the RTF option.



    Cathy



    gerald wrote:





    I don't know why you want to make all that extra work for yourself.

    Isn't there an option to publish web pages? In the Internet menu --

    there are all kinds of formats for the web pages you want -- you can

    customize them in so many ways Wouldn't that be much simpler?

    Just one

    click and it is done, without having to do any editing, although you

    can do that too, if you like. Or did I miss the point?

    *Sent:* Monday, January 09, 2017 at 5:36 PM

    *From:* "BARTON LEWIS" <bartonle...@optonline.net>

 
   *To:* "Legacy User Group" <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>

    *Cc:* "Legacy User Group " <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>

    *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] coding register reports (descendant book

    reports) for the web

    Thanks, Jennie, but no, I have not tried that as I want to actually

    enter the data as code (html) into my webpage.



    But I think I found the solution: if I export to rtf as a descendant

    book, as opposed to descendant narrative book, I do get tabs and

    spaces, each with a unique format depending on the generation. So I

    should be able to use either CSS or JS to manipulate the text into a

    particular format of my choosing.



    Barton







    On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 05:3
4 PM, Jennie Matheson wrote:



    Hi Lewis,

    Have you tried opening the report in a word processor such as Word

    and saving it as a web page - not sure if this will work, but it may

    Jennie

    On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 5:31 AM, BARTON LEWIS

    <bartonle...@optonline.net <mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net>> 
wrote:




    I am trying to figure out how to create custom-styled register

    reports ("descendant book reports" in Legacy parlance) for the

    web; I am building my genealogy website and would like to

    include the 1st 4 generations of my lines along with other

    data (images, narrative etc.) on individual pages. I exported

    a descendant book report to RTF. The result is a report which

    reta
ins formatting but uses ruler indents and if I just copy

    that text into a text editor, I will have to manually form at a

    lot of it using css. I was hoping to perhaps use Javascript to

    somehow format levels of text differently but I am not

    proficient in that language and don't know if I can do that.

    If anyone has had experience coding their own register reports

    to create cutom-styled formatting for the web, I would be

    interested in hearing. Thanks,



    Barton



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Re: [LegacyUG] coding register reports (descendant book reports) for the web

[BARTON LEWIS]

Hi Cathy,
I tried that, but when I tried to open the page in my code editor 
(Brackets), I got a message saying "Brackets currently only supports 
UTF-8 encoded text files."  I wonder if it's worth it to try a different 
code editor?  I assume that if I used one that were able to open the 
page, it would already be formatted for me and I could make global 
changes more easily than if I were trying to do so "from scratch," is 
that true?

Thanks,
Barton


On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 10:23 PM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
Barton,



Why aren't you using the option of creating the Book report in HTML 
format and then editing that to add more?


The option is in the same place you found the RTF option.



Cathy



gerald  wrote:



I don't know why you want to make all that extra work for yourself.

Isn't there an option to publish web pages? In the Internet menu --

there are all kinds of formats for the web pages you want -- you can

customize them in so many ways Wouldn't that be much simpler? Just one

click and it is done, without having to do any editing, although you

can do that too, if you like. Or did I miss the point?

*Sent:* Monday, January 09, 2017 at 5:36 PM

*From:* "BARTON LEWIS" <bartonle...@optonline.net>

*To:* "Legacy User Group" <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>

*Cc:* "Legacy User Group
" <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>

*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] coding register reports (descendant book

reports) for the web

Thanks, Jennie, but no, I have not tried that as I want to actually

enter the data as code (html) into my webpage.



But I think I found the solution: if I export to rtf as a descendant

book, as opposed to descendant narrative book, I do get tabs and

spaces, each with a unique format depending on the generation. So I

should be able to use either CSS or JS to manipulate the text into a

particular format of my choosing.



Barton







On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 05:34 PM, Jennie Matheson wrote:



    Hi Lewis,

    Have you tried opening the report in a word processor such as Word

    and saving it as a web page - not sure if this will work, but it may

    Jennie

    On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 5:31
 AM, BARTON LEWIS

    <bartonle...@optonline.net <mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net>> 
wrote:




    I am trying to figure out how to create custom-styled register

    reports ("descendant book reports" in Legacy parlance) for the

    web; I am building my genealogy website and would like to

    include the 1st 4 generations of my lines along with other

    data (images, narrative etc.) on individual pages. I exported

    a descendant book report to RTF. The result is a report which

    retains formatting but uses ruler indents and if I just copy

    that text into a text editor, I will have to manually form
at a

    lot of it using css. I was hoping to perhaps use Javascript to

    somehow format levels of text differently but I am not

    proficient in that language and don't know if I can do that.

    If anyone has had experience coding their own register reports

    to create cutom-styled formatting for the web, I would be

    interested in hearing. Thanks,



    Barton



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Re: [LegacyUG] coding register reports (descendant book reports) for the web

[BARTON LEWIS]

Hi Gerald,
Good question.  But I built my own website and taught myself how to code 
to do it.  I wanted a certain "look" and although I have seen that the 
web pages generated by Legacy are attractive, I think I want to tweak 
the presentation of the material.  I have enjoyed learning html and css 
and think I would enjoy the challenge.  I'm at least game to give it a 
try, but can always fall back on the web pages created by Legacy, if it 
doesn't work out.

Barton


On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 09:19 PM, gerald wrote:

I don't know why you want to make all that extra work for yourself. 
Isn't there an option to publish web pages? In the Internet menu -- 
there are all kinds of formats for the web pages you want -- you can 
customize them in so many ways Wouldn't that be much simpler? Just one 
click and it is done, without having to do any editing, although you can 
do that too, if you like. Or did I miss the point?


 



Sent: Monday, January 09, 2017 at 5:36 PM

From: "BARTON LEWIS" <bartonle...@optonline.net>

To: "Legacy User Group" <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>

Cc: "Legacy User Group" <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] coding register reports (descendant book 
reports) for the web




Thanks, Jennie, but no, I have not tried that as I want to actually 
enter the data as code (html) into my webpage.




But I think I found the solution: if I export to rtf as a descendant 
book, as opposed to descendant narrative book, I do get tabs and spaces, 
each with a unique format depending on the generation.  So I should be 
able to use either CSS or JS to manipulate the text into a particular 
format of my choosing.




Barton






On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 05:34 PM, Jennie Matheson wrote:

 






Hi Lewis,

 

Have you tried opening the report in a word processor such as Word and 
saving it as a web page - not sure if this will work, but it may


 

Jennie



 

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 5:31 AM, BARTON LEWIS <bartonle...@optonline.net 
<mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net> > wrote:


I am trying to figure out how to create custom-styled register reports 
("descendant book reports" in Legacy parlance) for the web; I am 
building my genealogy website and would like to include the 1st 4 
generations of my lines along with other data (images, narrative etc.) 
on individual pages.  I exported a descendant book report to RTF.  The 
result is a report which retains formatting but uses ruler indents and 
if I just copy that text into a text editor, I will have to manually 
format a lot of it using css.  I was hoping to perhaps use Javascript to 
somehow format levels of text differently but I am not proficient in 
that language and don't know if I can do that.  If anyone has had 
experience coding their own register reports to create cutom-styled 
formatting for the web, I would be interested in hearing.  Thanks,




Barton



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Re: [LegacyUG] coding register reports (descendant book reports) for the web

[BARTON LEWIS]

Thanks, Jennie, but no, I have not tried that as I want to actually 
enter the data as code (html) into my webpage.
But I think I found the solution: if I export to rtf as a descendant 
book, as opposed to descendant narrative book, I do get tabs and spaces, 
each with a unique format depending on the generation.  So I should be 
able to use either CSS or JS to manipulate the text into a particular 
format of my choosing.

Barton


On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 05:34 PM, Jennie Matheson wrote:


Hi Lewis,

Have you tried opening the report in a word processor such as Word and 
saving it as a web page - not sure if this will work, but it may


Jennie


On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 5:31 AM, BARTON LEWIS <bartonle...@optonline.net 
<mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net> > wrote:
I am trying to figure out how to create custom-styled register reports 
("descendant book reports" in Legacy parlance) for the web; I am 
building my genealogy website and would like to include the 1st 4 
generations of my lines along with other data (images, narrative etc.) 
on individual pages.  I exported a descendant book report to RTF.  The 
result is a report which retains formatting but uses ruler indents and 
if I just copy that text into a text editor, I will have to manually 
format a lot of it using css.  I was hoping to perhaps use Javascript to 
somehow format levels of text differently but I am not proficient in 
that language and don't know if I can do that.  If anyone has had 
experience coding their own register reports to create cutom-styled 
formatting for the web, I would be interested in hearing.  Thanks,




Barton



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[LegacyUG] coding register reports (descendant book reports) for the web

[BARTON LEWIS]

I am trying to figure out how to create custom-styled register reports 
("descendant book reports" in Legacy parlance) for the web; I am 
building my genealogy website and would like to include the 1st 4 
generations of my lines along with other data (images, narrative etc.) 
on individual pages.  I exported a descendant book report to RTF.  The 
result is a report which retains formatting but uses ruler indents and 
if I just copy that text into a text editor, I will have to manually 
format a lot of it using css.  I was hoping to perhaps use Javascript to 
somehow format levels of text differently but I am not proficient in 
that language and don't know if I can do that.  If anyone has had 
experience coding their own register reports to create cutom-styled 
formatting for the web, I would be interested in hearing.  Thanks,


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[LegacyUG] item of interest field in database sources - part 2

[Barton Lewis]

This is a follow-up to my query last week as to how to treat "item of
interest" fields in database sources.  What if the date for a given item
isn't clear or has several components?  Here is a record from the database
"U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index."  The best I could
come up for Item of Interest was:  "entry for Kliene Boyd Ellis's 1944
Social Security Application and 1993 Claim."  Does that seem right?  Thanks.

 

 

Name:  Kliene Boyd Ellis; [Klien B Ellis] ; SSN:  418300292; Gender:  Male;
Race:  White; Birth Date:  12 Jul 1912; Birth Place:  Jasper Walker,
Alabama; Death Date:  14 Dec 1991; Father:  Richard M Ellis; Mother:  Martha
A Williams; Type of Claim:  Original SSN.; Notes:  Mar 1944: Name listed as
KLIENE BOYD ELLIS; 04 Jun 1993: Name listed as KLIEN B ELLIS

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Re: [LegacyUG] Use of item of interest field in database sources

[BARTON LEWIS]

Thank you, Jenny.  I have a lot of entries to correct.  I should have 
asked this question sooner!


Barton


On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 05:13 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote:


On 17-Nov-16 02:47 AM, Barton Lewis wrote:
The death record provides John’s date of birth, his date of death, 
and

his mother’s name.  I understood you to say (and correct me if I’m
wrong) that you would put in the “item of interest” field the same
language, regardless of whether it was to source John’s birth, his
death, or his mother’s name, and that language would be “entry for 
John
Reeves’s 1954 death.”  I had been entering such language for his 
death

field, but for his birth field, I had been entering “entry for John
Reeves’s 1878 birth.”


If the database concerned is a DEATH record - in this particular case, 
Texas Death Index - then every "item" (ie record) in the database is a 
Death Record, a Death Record which also includes other information. 
Therefore, I contend the correct wording for the use of this Source 
against John's Birth, Mother's Name, etc should always be "entry for 
John Reeves' 1954 Death."


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Re: [LegacyUG] Use of item of interest field in database sources

[BARTON LEWIS]

Hi Trevor,
Thank you.  The "item" refers to the record, and the "entry" to the 
primary data being recorded in the record.  That probably should have 
been obvious, but it wasn't (to me).  Thanks again.

Barton


On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 10:02 PM, Trevor Carlson wrote:

Barton,
 
Since you have just the one record, your item of interest should be 
“entry for John Reeves’s 1954 death.”  You only have the one record. 
That record contains other details, including his birth, but it is still 
the death record. The reason you wouldn't change it to 'birth' when 
using this record to cite his birth is that his birth is actually a 
secondary source in his death record- it is someone who was likely not 
around at the time of his actual birth that recorded his death (there 
are of  course exceptions, such as for the deaths of children recorded 
by their parents).

 
I hope that makes sense.
 
Thank you,
Trevor Carlson
Edmonton, AB.
 
 

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Sent: November 16, 2016 7:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Use of item of interest field in database 
sources


 
Cathy, I apologize if I am being dense.  But …
 
I am referring to the same “item” or “record” (the one, and only one, 
for this particular John Reeves), in the “database” (in this case, let’s 
say the Texas Death Index).

 
The death record provides John’s date of birth, his date of death, and 
his mother’s name.  I understood you to say (and correct me if I’m 
wrong) that you would put in the “item of interest” field the same 
language, regardless of whether it was to source John’s birth, his 
death, or his mother’s name, and that language would be “entry for John 
Reeves’s 1954 death.”  I had been entering such language for his death 
field, but for his birth field, I had been entering “entry for John 
Reeves’s 1878 birth.” 

 
Is this not what you would do?  And if so, why not?  Even though it’s a 
death record, it can still act as a source for other information in the 
record, can it not, and the item of interest field reflect that?

 
I understand Brian Kelly’s reasoning for styling the entry “entry for 
John Reeves’s 1878 birth” with the mother’s name in the source details 
as a source for her name.

 
Thank you,
 
Barton
 
 
 
 
 

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Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Use of item of interest field in database 
sources


 
Barton,
When I said you wouldn't change the source details every time you attach 
that source, by "source" I was meaning the particular record concerning 
the birth of John Reeves.
If you find some other record in that same database, of course you 
change the source details. You're referring to another "item".

Cathy
BARTON LEWIS wrote:
Thanks, Jenny, but the question was specifically would you change the
"item of interest" field to "entry for John Reeves's 1878 birth" in
the birth field and "entry for John Reeves's 1954 death" in the death
field?  Cathy said "it's for the item of interest in the database" and
you "would not change the source details every time you attach the
source to a piece of information."  I don't understand her distinction.
Barton

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote:

On 16-Nov-16 03:06 PM, BARTON LEWIS wrote:
But what if you are using the same source (e.g. Texas Death Records)
for
both John's birth and his death? If you attach it in the death field
and it says "1878 birth of John Reeves" and you are using it as a
source
for his death, isn't that odd? Why would you not change it to "1954
death of John Reeves" if there are different vitals data in the record
and you are using it for different vitals?

Yes, if citing a Death Register (or Index thereof) entry I would use
"entry for John Reeves' death, 1954" and attach the same
Source/Citation to all relevant fields - name, date of birth, date of
death, names of parents ... whatever is included in the database entry.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Use of item of interest field in database sources

[Barton Lewis]

Cathy, I apologize if I am being dense.  But …

 

I am referring to the same “item” or “record” (the one, and only one, for this 
particular John Reeves), in the “database” (in this case, let’s say the Texas 
Death Index).

 

The death record provides John’s date of birth, his date of death, and his 
mother’s name.  I understood you to say (and correct me if I’m wrong) that you 
would put in the “item of interest” field the same language, regardless of 
whether it was to source John’s birth, his death, or his mother’s name, and 
that language would be “entry for John Reeves’s 1954 death.”  I had been 
entering such language for his death field, but for his birth field, I had been 
entering “entry for John Reeves’s 1878 birth.”  

 

Is this not what you would do?  And if so, why not?  Even though it’s a death 
record, it can still act as a source for other information in the record, can 
it not, and the item of interest field reflect that?

 

I understand Brian Kelly’s reasoning for styling the entry “entry for John 
Reeves’s 1878 birth” with the mother’s name in the source details as a source 
for her name.

 

Thank you,

 

Barton

 

 

 

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:14 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Use of item of interest field in database sources

 

Barton,

When I said you wouldn't change the source details every time you attach that 
source, by "source" I was meaning the particular record concerning the birth of 
John Reeves. 
If you find some other record in that same database, of course you change the 
source details. You're referring to another "item".

Cathy

BARTON LEWIS wrote:




Thanks, Jenny, but the question was specifically would you change the 
"item of interest" field to "entry for John Reeves's 1878 birth" in 
the birth field and "entry for John Reeves's 1954 death" in the death 
field?  Cathy said "it's for the item of interest in the database" and 
you "would not change the source details every time you attach the 
source to a piece of information."  I don't understand her distinction.

Barton


On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote:





On 16-Nov-16 03:06 PM, BARTON LEWIS wrote:




But what if you are using the same source (e.g. Texas Death Records) 
for
both John's birth and his death? If you attach it in the death field
and it says "1878 birth of John Reeves" and you are using it as a 
source
for his death, isn't that odd? Why would you not change it to "1954
death of John Reeves" if there are different vitals data in the record
and you are using it for different vitals?



Yes, if citing a Death Register (or Index thereof) entry I would use 
"entry for John Reeves' death, 1954" and attach the same 
Source/Citation to all relevant fields - name, date of birth, date of 
death, names of parents ... whatever is included in the database entry.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Use of item of interest field in database sources

[BARTON LEWIS]

Thanks, Brian.  Your explanation as to how to handle the item of 
interest field for my example makes sense. 


Barton

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Brian Kelly wrote:

In that case you would not be using what the original poster was using 
so you would probably be using other wording for the "Item of 
Interest". He was asking what to use in a Birth Index item of interest 
when using it to source other data in that entry. The wording "entry 
for the Birth of Joe Snooks" would be very appropriate for describing 
that index record. When adding the source to his mother because the 
index lists her name it is still the "entry for the Birth of Joe 
Snooks" which is the item of interest from the source. The place to 
include the contents of that listing is the Detail Text which would 
then confirm that the mother's name is in the item.


Here is an example of what I do for the Item of Interest on Census 
records I have found which include this field (not all do).
In the item of interest I enter (Name of the head of the household) 
Family
In the credit line I give the details of the census down to the page, 
dwelling and family number and then add "lines x - y" for all the 
lines where family members are listed.
This single source detail can then be attached as a source for the 
census event to each member of the family without modification.
When using the same census as a source for residences, occupations, 
births etc. which may also be included in the census data I only 
modify the detail text or add a comment to the detail as justification 
for using that census as proof of that information. Thus my source 
citations are all the same for that family in that census. Usually I 
do not include detail text and comments in my citations, those are for 
my own use not for reports.


Brian Kelly

On 16-Nov-16 10:06 AM, BARTON LEWIS wrote:
But what if you are using the same source (e.g. Texas Death Records) 
for

both John's birth and his death?  If you attach it in the death field
and it says "1878 birth of John Reeves" and you are using it as a 
source

for his death, isn't that odd?  Why would you not change it to "1954
death of John Reeves" if there are different vitals data in the 
record

and you are using it for different vitals?

Barton

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 04:28 AM, Cathy Pinner wrote:

It's for the item of interest in the database.
In your example:  birth of John Reeves OR entry for John 
Reeve's

birth in .

You don't change the source details every time you attach that 
same

source to a piece of information.

Cathy

John S. Adams wrote:


Barton,

I don't see an "Item of Interest field" in death record 
templates. I
would think the "ID of Person" would be John Reeves as that 
describes
the source and would help someone else find the death cert. The 
DC

may
be a source for other facts, like John's place of death, or
occupation, having nothing to do with the name of his mother.

John S. Adams
Ventura, CA



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behalf of Barton Lewis *Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2016 
7:26 PM

*To:* 'Legacy User Group'
*Subject:* [LegacyUG] Use of item of interest field in database
sources

There’s an “item of interest” field in many Legacy SourceWriter
database sources. If I am using a record from the Texas Birth
Index to
source a person’s mother’s name, it’s not clear to me what I 
should
fill in. Legacy provides sample language for the field: “Ex.: 
entry
for John Smith and Mary Jones’s 1888 marriage.” Is something 
like

“evidence for John Reeves’s mother’s name” appropriate? Does ESM
treat
this in EE? I couldn’t find it if so.

Thanks,

Barton



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Re: [LegacyUG] Use of item of interest field in database sources

[BARTON LEWIS]

Thanks, Jenny, but the question was specifically would you change the 
"item of interest" field to "entry for John Reeves's 1878 birth" in the 
birth field and "entry for John Reeves's 1954 death" in the death 
field?  Cathy said "it's for the item of interest in the database" and 
you "would not change the source details every time you attach the 
source to a piece of information."  I don't understand her distinction. 


Barton


On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote:


On 16-Nov-16 03:06 PM, BARTON LEWIS wrote:
But what if you are using the same source (e.g. Texas Death Records) 
for

both John's birth and his death?  If you attach it in the death field
and it says "1878 birth of John Reeves" and you are using it as a 
source

for his death, isn't that odd?  Why would you not change it to "1954
death of John Reeves" if there are different vitals data in the 
record

and you are using it for different vitals?


Yes, if citing a Death Register (or Index thereof) entry I would use 
"entry for John Reeves' death, 1954" and attach the same 
Source/Citation to all relevant fields - name, date of birth, date of 
death, names of parents ... whatever is included in the database 
entry.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Use of item of interest field in database sources

[BARTON LEWIS]

But what if you are using the same source (e.g. Texas Death Records) for 
both John's birth and his death?  If you attach it in the death field 
and it says "1878 birth of John Reeves" and you are using it as a source 
for his death, isn't that odd?  Why would you not change it to "1954 
death of John Reeves" if there are different vitals data in the record 
and you are using it for different vitals?


Barton
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 04:28 AM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
It's for the item of interest in the database.

In your example:  birth of John Reeves OR entry for John Reeve's 
birth in .




You don't change the source details every time you attach that same 
source to a piece of information.




Cathy



John S. Adams wrote:



Barton,



I don't see an "Item of Interest field" in death record templates. I

would think the "ID of Person" would be John Reeves as that describes

the source and would help someone else find the death cert. The DC may

be a source for other facts, like John's place of death, or

occupation, having nothing to do with the name of his mother.



John S. Adams

Ventura, CA







*From:* LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> on


behalf of Barton Lewis <bartonle...@optonline.net>

*Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:26 PM

*To:* 'Legacy User Group'

*Subject:* [LegacyUG] Use of item of interest field in database sources



There’s an “item of interest” field in many Legacy SourceWriter

database sources. If I am using a record from the Texas Birth Index to

source a person’s mother’s name, it’s not clear to me what I should

fill in. Legacy provides sample language for the field: “Ex.: entry

for John Smith and Mary Jones’s 1888 marriage.” Is something like

“evidence for John Reeves’s mother’s name” appropriate? Does ESM treat

this in EE? I couldn’t find it if so.



Thanks,



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[LegacyUG] Use of item of interest field in database sources

[Barton Lewis]

There's an "item of interest" field in many Legacy SourceWriter database
sources.  If I am using a record from the Texas Birth Index to source a
person's mother's name, it's not clear to me what I should fill in.  Legacy
provides sample language for the field:  "Ex.:  entry for John Smith and
Mary Jones's 1888 marriage."  Is something like "evidence for John Reeves's
mother's name" appropriate?  Does ESM treat this in EE?  I couldn't find it
if so.

 

Thanks,

 

Barton  

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Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in Legacy

[Barton Lewis]

Denise,

 

Well, Ancestry’s publishing of city directories and other books gives me 
“reasonable assurance,” as do (say) the US county websites which have their 
records online, or Google Books, or familysearch, where one can find digital 
images.   I guess if an individual had published an image on their personal 
website and that’s the only place it was, or otherwise could not be found, I 
might balk at citing it, but in general, I’m more interested in how to cite the 
material than questioning its provenance.  I do try and secure originals of 
primary sources; secondary sources, I’m not so finicky about, though I try and 
see them at my library, when I can.

 

Barton

 

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Denise Moss-Fritch
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 1:07 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in 
Legacy

 

Barton,

 

Not sure the following will provide any clarification. However, the National 
Genealogical Society publishes a series of recommendations across several 
topics. The “Guidelines for Use of Computer Technology in Genealogical 
Research” includes the following item:

 

“accept digital images or enhancements of an original record as a satisfactory 
substitute for the original only when there is reasonable assurance that the 
image accurately reproduces the unaltered original”

 

At least the item is something to think about. However, please remember that is 
the view of only one country’s national genealogical organization.

 

Denise

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Barton Lewis
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 9:43 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com 
<mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> >
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in 
Legacy

 

Well, I don’t know that I’d call it “useless.”  I think it’s actually 
interesting and worth discussing – but then I love the nitty-gritty of source 
citations.

 

ESM does not seem to have adequately provided for a category of book that has 
been photographed and published online, without having been “reprinted” in the 
traditional sense of the word.  In Section 12.60 of my version of EE (p. 698), 
she covers “e-books,” which she groups into 4 categories:

* Audio versions of books issued in print;

* Text publications solely released on CD-ROM or online;

* Digital image editions of books previously published in print; and

* Reformatted digital editions of books previously appearing in paper 
form.

The city directories example under discussion here seems to fall in the 3rd 
category.  But as Cathy has pointed out, when you go to this section in EE 
(12.79), ESM has classified such matter as “reprints.”   

 

I agree with Denise and don’t think the term “reprints” applies here.  I would 
propose using the Source Writer template for books, edited and bypassing the 
reprint option and choosing online image; I don’t see that you lose anything by 
bypassing reprint and think it’s more accurate.

 

Barton

 

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 11:17 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in 
Legacy

 

What a useless discussion. It's Elizabeth Shown Mills that uses the term as 
shown in the quote I gave.

And yes in some discussion she also sees images as not the originals as they're 
subject to tampering (less so with images at reputable sites but easy if 
they're just emailed to you or photocopies etc) - which is why she makes 
extensive notes on what exactly she uses and the quality of the image etc.

I'm not that suspicious.

Cathy

Denise Moss-Fritch wrote:


Sorry Cathy, you are the one applying the term ‘reprint’ to these 
records, not me. Would that mean you define all records found online 
as ‘reprints’? Census? County record books? If so, than all records 
found online would be secondary not the original.

That would not be an record analysis to which I would not agree.

Denise

*From:*LegacyUserGroup 
[mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Cathy 
Pinner
*Sent:* Friday, October 28, 2016 10:03 PM
*To:* Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com 
<mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> >
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City 
Directories in Legacy

Your choice Denise

but I'd read on further and see that ESS calls them facsimile reprints 
or image reprints though in my edition she doesn't detail them online 
but rather on CD or microfilm.
"12.79 Reprints: Image Editions
Reprints that offer image copies of earlier publications are called
facsimile reprints (as opposed to facsimile reproductions of original
records, covered a

Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in Legacy

[Barton Lewis]

Well, I don’t know that I’d call it “useless.”  I think it’s actually 
interesting and worth discussing – but then I love the nitty-gritty of source 
citations.

 

ESM does not seem to have adequately provided for a category of book that has 
been photographed and published online, without having been “reprinted” in the 
traditional sense of the word.  In Section 12.60 of my version of EE (p. 698), 
she covers “e-books,” which she groups into 4 categories:

* Audio versions of books issued in print;

* Text publications solely released on CD-ROM or online;

* Digital image editions of books previously published in print; and

* Reformatted digital editions of books previously appearing in paper 
form.

The city directories example under discussion here seems to fall in the 3rd 
category.  But as Cathy has pointed out, when you go to this section in EE 
(12.79), ESM has classified such matter as “reprints.”   

 

I agree with Denise and don’t think the term “reprints” applies here.  I would 
propose using the Source Writer template for books, edited and bypassing the 
reprint option and choosing online image; I don’t see that you lose anything by 
bypassing reprint and think it’s more accurate.

 

Barton

 

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 11:17 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in 
Legacy

 

What a useless discussion. It's Elizabeth Shown Mills that uses the term as 
shown in the quote I gave.

And yes in some discussion she also sees images as not the originals as they're 
subject to tampering (less so with images at reputable sites but easy if 
they're just emailed to you or photocopies etc) - which is why she makes 
extensive notes on what exactly she uses and the quality of the image etc.

I'm not that suspicious.

Cathy

Denise Moss-Fritch wrote:




Sorry Cathy, you are the one applying the term ‘reprint’ to these 
records, not me. Would that mean you define all records found online 
as ‘reprints’? Census? County record books? If so, than all records 
found online would be secondary not the original.

That would not be an record analysis to which I would not agree.

Denise

*From:*LegacyUserGroup 
[mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Cathy 
Pinner
*Sent:* Friday, October 28, 2016 10:03 PM
*To:* Legacy User Group  >
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City 
Directories in Legacy

Your choice Denise

but I'd read on further and see that ESS calls them facsimile reprints 
or image reprints though in my edition she doesn't detail them online 
but rather on CD or microfilm.
"12.79 Reprints: Image Editions
Reprints that offer image copies of earlier publications are called
facsimile reprints (as opposed to facsimile reproductions of original
records, covered at 12.77). However, the modern terms image copy or
image reprint are better understood today."

Of course her caveats apply.

No doubt her webpages or the later editions cover online reprints.

I really don't care a bout exact ordering and commas etc so long as the 
source can be found. Of course it needs the online detail and the 
original publication detail.

That's what the SourceWriter reprint templates, which are all based on 
Evidence Explained, provid e.

Cathy

d.mossfri...@comcast.net   
 wrote:


Cathy,

Yes, I am aware of the sample's format style. However, I am also
aware
that a digital image of an original book (City Directory or
otherwise)
is not a reprint of the original publication. A reprint would include
both the original publication date and the date of the reprint. That
is standard practice of the publishing industry. Even the
publisher of
a reprint might / pr obably would differ from the publisher of the
original publication.

As for SourceWriter, perhaps these differences is why I prefer not to
use that option.

Thanks for the comments,

Denise




*From: *"Cathy Pinner"  
>
*To: *"Legacy User Group"  
>
*Sent: *Friday, October 28, 2016 8:42:41 PM
*Subject: *Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City
Directories in Legacy

Denise,

you've give n an example for a Basic Format - real book City Directory.
An online version needs a layered source.

Using the Books Reprint option is a way to 

Re: [LegacyUG] EE Section & SourceWriter

[BARTON LEWIS]

As a follow-up, including the subcategory "Annual Returns & Vouchers 
etc." after the main title is not really accurate since that subcategory 
comes within White County.  So I am not sure at all how to accurately 
name and locate the collection and record within the parent collection 
"Georgia, Wills and Probate Records."  Any suggestions would be welcome.

Barton

On Sun, Oct 09, 2016 at 06:05 PM, Barton Lewis wrote:

Hi list, here’s a question about sources.   I found images of my 
ancestor’s probate file in the collection “Georgia, Wills & Probate 
Records, 1742-1992” (Ancestry).  The collection is divided into counties 
and then by other subcategories.  The record in White County was in the 
subcategory “Annual Returns and Vouchers, Inventories and Appraisements, 
Sales, Vol 1, 1859-1875.”  EE discusses citing images in online 
databases in Section 10.33.  When I chose this template in SourceWriter, 
I could see that it did not format the material exactly as in the EE 
citation.  EE’s example is as follows:

 
First Reference Note
1. City of St. Louis, Missouri, probate case file 26469, Landry
Charleville (1900), for deposition of Mary T. Mason, 24 September
1901; “St. Louis Probate Court Digitization Project, 1802–1900,”
digital images, Missouri Secretary of State (http://www.sos.mo.gov/
archives/stlprobate : accessed 6 February 2007); the Mason document
is imaged as p. 3 of Collection 4 of documents within the Charleville 
file.

 
The actual volume which contains all of the records for my record is 
labeled on the spine “Records & Returns.”  Ideally, I would like my 
citation to read:

 
1.    White County, Georgia, Records & Returns, James H Smith 
(1873-5), for relinquishment of Jasper Smith’s part of James H Smith’s 
estate, 26 Apr 1875; digital images, Georgia, Wills & Probate Records, 
1742-1992: Annual Returns and Vouchers, Inventories and Appraisements, 
Sales, Vol 1, 1859-1875 
(http://interactive.ancestry.com/8635/005781903_1?backurl=%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.com%2fsearch%2fdb.aspx%3fdbid%3d8635%26path%3d==ReturnBrowsing#?imageId=005781903_00254 
<http://interactive.ancestry.com/8635/005781903_1?backurl=%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.com%2fsearch%2fdb.aspx%3fdbid%3d8635%26path%3d==ReturnBrowsing#?imageId=005781903_00254> 
: accessed 9 Oct 2016); the Jasper Smith document is imaged as page 254 
of the collection.

 
I was able to get the template to output the data as follows, by 
including all of “Records & Returns, James H Smith (1873-5), for 
relinquishment of Jasper Smith's part of James H Smith's estate (26 Apr 
1875)” in the item of interest field:

 
White, Georgia, Georgia, Wills and Probate Records, 1742-1992, Records & 
Returns, James H Smith (1873-5), for relinquishment of Jasper Smith's 
part of James H Smith's estate (26 Apr 1875); digital images, 
Ancestry (http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=8635= : 
accessed 9 Oct 2016); the Jasper Smith document is imaged as page 254 of 
the collection.

 
However, there are 2 problems here:  the citation is not entirely 
accurate as it has not included the subcollection (“Annual Returns and 
Vouchers” etc.) and so the reference to page 254 is meaningless.  Is the 
best solution to have multiple entries for the main collection (“Georgia 
Wills & Probate Records”) with the subcollection following as part of 
the name.  And lastly, why is the name of the collection not in quotes 
as in EE’s example?

 
Thanks,
 
Barton
 
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[LegacyUG] EE Section & SourceWriter

[Barton Lewis]

Hi list, here's a question about sources.   I found images of my ancestor's
probate file in the collection "Georgia, Wills & Probate Records, 1742-1992"
(Ancestry).  The collection is divided into counties and then by other
subcategories.  The record in White County was in the subcategory "Annual
Returns and Vouchers, Inventories and Appraisements, Sales, Vol 1,
1859-1875."  EE discusses citing images in online databases in Section
10.33.  When I chose this template in SourceWriter, I could see that it did
not format the material exactly as in the EE citation.  EE's example is as
follows:

 

First Reference Note

1. City of St. Louis, Missouri, probate case file 26469, Landry

Charleville (1900), for deposition of Mary T. Mason, 24 September

1901; "St. Louis Probate Court Digitization Project, 1802-1900,"

digital images, Missouri Secretary of State (http://www.sos.mo.gov/

archives/stlprobate : accessed 6 February 2007); the Mason document

is imaged as p. 3 of Collection 4 of documents within the Charleville file.

 

The actual volume which contains all of the records for my record is labeled
on the spine "Records & Returns."  Ideally, I would like my citation to
read:

 

1.White County, Georgia, Records & Returns, James H Smith (1873-5),
for relinquishment of Jasper Smith's part of James H Smith's estate, 26 Apr
1875; digital images, Georgia, Wills & Probate Records, 1742-1992: Annual
Returns and Vouchers, Inventories and Appraisements, Sales, Vol 1, 1859-1875
(http://interactive.ancestry.com/8635/005781903_1?backurl=%2f%2fsearch.a
ncestry.com%2fsearch%2fdb.aspx%3fdbid%3d8635%26path%3d

==ReturnBrowsing#?imageId=005781903_00254 : accessed 9 Oct
2016); the Jasper Smith document is imaged as page 254 of the collection.

 

I was able to get the template to output the data as follows, by including
all of "Records & Returns, James H Smith (1873-5), for relinquishment of
Jasper Smith's part of James H Smith's estate (26 Apr 1875)" in the item of
interest field:

 

White, Georgia, Georgia, Wills and Probate Records, 1742-1992, Records &
Returns, James H Smith (1873-5), for relinquishment of Jasper Smith's part
of James H Smith's estate (26 Apr 1875); digital images, Ancestry
(http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=8635= : accessed 9 Oct
2016); the Jasper Smith document is imaged as page 254 of the collection. 

 

However, there are 2 problems here:  the citation is not entirely accurate
as it has not included the subcollection ("Annual Returns and Vouchers"
etc.) and so the reference to page 254 is meaningless.  Is the best solution
to have multiple entries for the main collection ("Georgia Wills & Probate
Records") with the subcollection following as part of the name.  And lastly,
why is the name of the collection not in quotes as in EE's example?

 

Thanks,

 

Barton

 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy User Group Mail List vs Facebook User Group

[BARTON LEWIS]

Could we put this issue to rest?  Like Cathy said, if as much ink that 
has been spilled on this had been about Legacy program issues, how much 
wiser would we all be?  There is a FB Legacy list and there is LUG.  No 
two ways about it.  Pick and choose and use one or the other or both and 
let's talk about Legacy - not forums. 



On Wed, Oct 05, 2016 at 03:15 PM, Chick Lewis wrote:

Discussion of this list vs Facebook IS a Legacy issue.  The future of 
this list depends on it.



On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Cathy Pinner  > wrote:
This list would have far more life and usefulness if you quit discussing 
Facebook and Email lists and discussed Legacy issues instead.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Unsubscribe

[BARTON LEWIS]

This is not how you unsubscribe.  There is a link at the bottom of every 
email for doing that.



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Re: [LegacyUG] census entry for indian territory

[BARTON LEWIS]

A little further digging seems to reveal that this is a federal census 
"population schedule" - with that template to be used (for the year 
1900); the actual census page shows "Indian Territory" as the state and 
"Creek Nation" as the county, so that's what I've entered.  It does make 
me curious  though as to what those other two schedules are used for.


Barton


On Wed, Sep 07, 2016 at 10:59 PM, BARTON LEWIS wrote:

I found a relative who is living in the 1900 census in "Township 16, 
Creek Nation, Indian Territory."  I typically create a census source 
from the SourceWriter using the Source Template Index where I select 
the applicable year.  For 1900, there were 2 additional options: 
"Census records>United States>Federal census records>1900 Native 
American schedule>Online database" and "Native American records>Census 
records>1900 federal>Online database."  Neither of these generated a 
pre-populated initial source page with the "Census ID", "Publisher" 
and "Series" fields as when selecting a "population schedule" for any 
given year for the US federal census; when proceeding to the second 
(source detail) page, there were no fields for the Roll or Enumeration 
District, as provided in the Ancestry record, but rather "item of 
interest" and "date accessed" fields associated with a generic 
database source.  What is the proper master source for these native 
American schedules - and which provide for the inclusion of the roll, 
enumeration district and other data associated with the record?


Thanks,

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[LegacyUG] census entry for indian territory

[BARTON LEWIS]

I found a relative who is living in the 1900 census in "Township 16, 
Creek Nation, Indian Territory."  I typically create a census source 
from the SourceWriter using the Source Template Index where I select the 
applicable year.  For 1900, there were 2 additional options: "Census 
records>United States>Federal census records>1900 Native American 
schedule>Online database" and "Native American records>Census 
records>1900 federal>Online database."  Neither of these generated a 
pre-populated initial source page with the "Census ID", "Publisher" and 
"Series" fields as when selecting a "population schedule" for any given 
year for the US federal census; when proceeding to the second (source 
detail) page, there were no fields for the Roll or Enumeration District, 
as provided in the Ancestry record, but rather "item of interest" and 
"date accessed" fields associated with a generic database source.  What 
is the proper master source for these native American schedules - and 
which provide for the inclusion of the roll, enumeration district and 
other data associated with the record?


Thanks,

Barton

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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship report

[BARTON LEWIS]

Thank you!


On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 12:19 AM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
Barton



Tools - Relationship Calculator



Then make sure you and your cousin are showing (if relationships are set 
to you and your cousin is isolated before you go to the Calculator, 
you'll probably both already be filled in.




Then once calculated, click Print and consider the options.

Makes a great chart.



Cathy



Michael Griffin wrote:



It's the relationship chart. You just tell it what two people.











Sent from Gryffindor on a Samsung Galaxy Note 3





 Original message 

From: Barton Lewis <bartonle...@optonline.net>

Date: 07/16/2016 22:20 (GMT-06:00)

To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com

Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationship report



Dear list,



I want to create a chart which shows my descent and that of my cousin

from our c
ommon ancestor. Can someone please tell me how to do this?



Thank you,



Barton

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[LegacyUG] Relationship report

[Barton Lewis]

Dear list,

 

I want to create a chart which shows my descent and that of my cousin from
our common ancestor.  Can someone please tell me how to do this?

 

Thank you,

 

Barton

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Re: [LegacyUG] New Mailing List Software and Servers

[BARTON LEWIS]

Were these "welcome messages" sent as attachments to an email that had 
no message in the body?  If so, that was a major blunder on Legacy's 
part.  I never open an attachment that I don't know is coming, 
especially if there is absolutely nothing in the body of the message 
identifying what it is.


If there was a welcome message with text in the body, I never got it.

The vast majority of the emails I received when this started had various 
subject lines, an attachment, and no message in the body.  That suggests 
that it wasn't people "responding" to an email that was causing the 
problem as has been previously stated.  If people were "responding" to 
emails, they would have included a message.


In any case, it's a regrettable omission by Legacy to not provide some 
kind of explanation to its many bewildered customers.


Barton


On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 09:12 AM, MikeFry wrote:


On 23 Feb 2016 3:42 PM, Linda wrote:

Mr. Bernier, not everyone is a PC guru; I have to delete from my pc 
and delete
from my smart phone however you miss the point Legacy has a problem 
that is
sending a mountain of emails out.  IT is a Legacy problem not a 
consumer problem
and if you think reporting a consumer to their ISP will resolve the 
issue think
again;  I will refer the issue to my states Attorney General. 
Consumers can

always get a new email account however you will be out of business!


I received 2 Welcome messages - Legacy group and LegacyFS group. 
Everything else, about 120 messages, is complaints from users who 
don't know what they're doing and weren't aware of what Millennia was 
trying to do. Stop complaining! Delete anything related to New mailing 
list software. Don't flag it as junk because the source email address 
is the same as it's always been and you really don't want that 
address(es) to be marked as Junk. Wait for things to settle down.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Recovering/Resending Passwords

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​UNSUBSCRIBE IMMEDIATELY!!!1


On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Brian/Support 
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For those who deleted the welcome message from the new LUG mailing list 
and want to manage their account here is how you can have your password 
resent to you:




Go to this page

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"Unsubscribe or edit options" Enter your email address in the empty box 
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Re: [LegacyUG] New Mailing List Software and Servers

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Great question!

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 10:24 PM, a...@wavp.co.uk wrote:

So if the old system was broken where are all these messages coming 
from? I am unsubscribed from the new one. Yet still received over 100 
emails in 5 hours.




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Sent: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] New Mailing List Software and Servers

Couldn't do that Brian, the old servers were broken so no messages could

be sent to the lists to warn anyone. Until the new servers and software

was up and running and we had subscribed the known users to the lists

there was no way for anyone to receive my notice on what was happening.



Brian

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On 22/02/2016 20  :16, Brian L. Lightfoot wrote:

Just make sure you give everybody 2 or 3 days notice ahead of time as 
to what will be happening otherwise the list will be flooded with 
messages from users wanting to know why they're being signed up on a 
new mailing list.











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Re: [LegacyUG] New Mailing List Software and Servers

[Barton Lewis]

Brian and Michele and all other responsible parties,

I cannot believe that you guys did not handle this differently.  I have
gotten something like 40 emails and they're still coming.  You couldn't have
avoided this traffic or alerted us as to what's going on?  

Barton  

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Just make sure you give everybody 2 or 3 days notice ahead of time as to
what will be happening otherwise the list will be flooded with messages from
users wanting to know why they're being signed up on a new mailing list.


Brian in CA



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Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 2:45 PM
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Subject: New Mailing List Software and Servers

We have had to migrate our old mailing lists to a new server and software.
As part of that migration all users had to be resubscribed to the "New"
List. Everyone on the List will receive a welcome message.

The new list server and software requires a password for you to manage your
list subscription. A default password is included in your welcome message
along with the link to your new list account management page where you can
select list options.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Master source template - deeds

[BARTON LEWIS]

Hi Cathy, yes I am familiar with those general principles and try to use
them.  What I was zeroing in on was a more specific problem with
identifying the source type in this particular template, "Land and
Property Records > Deed and conveyances > Recorded at
local/county/district level > Deed books > Basic format."  If you leave
the "series" field blank, only the volume no. and page no. appear in the
output.  You want the citation to identify the type of book that record
is in.  So I put "Deed Books" in the series field, but I was wondering
if others have a different approach.  EE seems to assume that records
are neatly grouped in "series" at county courthouses and that that
information is readily obtainable, but I don't know that either is true
(and definitely not the latter).


Barton

On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 11:16 PM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
Barton,

I can't answer your specifics as I'm not familiar with this record
source.



However, two principles:

1) enter enough so someone can find what you're looking at.

2) as a general rule don't put Source details into the Master source
especially if you're likely to find someone else in this source.



Using Master Sources doesn't make it any harder to find the particular
details - you've attached the Source to everyone where the details are
relevant.



Making everything a Master Source and not using source details, on the
other hand makes it much harder to be consistent AND harder to find
everyone for whom you've used the these Deed Books as you have to
highlight all the relevant "Master Sources" before using Show List.



Cathy



Barton Lewis wrote:



I’m just starting to enter deeds, and selected the fi
rst Master

Template (Deed Books > Basic format) since I have the deed sent to me

by the county registrar. My question is this: I know EE talks about

the “series� in which a specific record falls; but how useful or
even

relevant is this information? When we order a deed from the

courthouse, we aren’t usually told what “record group� or
“series�

it’s in; “Henderson County, North Carolina Deed Book 1, p. 81� as

about as good as it gets. So when we leave the field “Series� blank
in

our master source, we get “Henderson, North Carolina, 1: 81, heirs of

Reuben Fletcher to Charles Greer, 20 Dec 1834; Register of Deeds,

Henderson County, Hendersonville.� The words “deed book� do not
appear

and even though one might assume that’s where the record is found, I

think the book type should be named. So I entered “Deed Books� into

the series field, and got the above with “Deed Books�
  now appearing

between North Carolina and 1: 81. Does this seem right?



Does anyone use a single Master Source for multiple deeds in one book,

for example, and if so, is that a preference simply because it means

not as many steps as entering each individual deed as a Master Source

and does it make it harder to find the reference to a particular deed

in your sources or not really?



Thanks,



Barton





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RE: [LegacyUG] Master source template - deeds

[Barton Lewis]

Thanks, Cathy.   I had hoped someone in the US would weigh in, which is why I 
continued to talk about it.  US courthouses do not typically have catalogues.   
In some but not all cases older records are removed to the State archives, but 
often they remain at the courthouse, and it’s inconsistent as to what you can 
find out online about their holdings.  I will continue to test various Master 
Source templates to see what works best.



Thanks,



Barton







From: Cathy Pinner [mailto:genea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 7:35 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master source template - deeds



Barton,

As I said, I have no idea. I'm not in the US and have never worked with this 
record type.
I'd be guided by what they have in their catalogue presuming they have one you 
can search online.
To me adding "Deed books" seems repetitive as you have "Register of Deeds" in 
the citation
When using material that comes from Archives, I always record the reference 
numbers they give in their catalogues.

Cathy

BARTON LEWIS wrote:




Hi Cathy, yes I am familiar with those general principles and try to
use them. What I was zeroing in on was a more specific problem with
identifying the source type in this particular template, "Land and
Property Records > Deed and conveyances > Recorded at
local/county/district level > Deed books > Basic format." If you leave
the "series" field blank, only the volume no. and page no. appear in
the output. You want the citation to identify the type of book that
record is in. So I put "Deed Books" in the series field, but I was
wondering if others have a different approach. EE seems to assume that
records are neatly grouped in "series" at county courthouses and that
that information is readily obtainable, but I don't know that either
is true (and definitely not the latter).

Barton


On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 11:16 PM, Cathy Pinner wrote:

Barton,
I can't answer your specifics as I'm not familiar with this record
source.

However, two principles:
1) enter enough so someone can find what you're looking at.
2) as a general rule don't put Source details into the Master
source especially if you're likely to find someone else in this
source.

Using Master Sources doesn't make it any harder to find the
particular details - you've attached the Source to everyone where
the details are relevant.

Making everything a Master Source and not using source details, on
the other hand makes it much harder to be consistent AND harder to
find everyone for whom you've used the these Deed Books as you
have to highlight all the relevant "Master Sources" before using
Show List.

Cathy

Barton Lewis wrote:





I’m just starting to enter deeds, and selected the fi rst Master
Template (Deed Books > Basic format) since I have the deed sent
to me
by the county registrar. My question is this: I know EE talks about
the “series� in which a specific record falls; but how useful
or even
relevant is this information? When we order a deed from the
courthouse, we aren’t usually told what “record group� 
or
“series�
it’s in; “Henderson County, North Carolina Deed Book 1, p.
81� as
about as good as it gets. So when we leave the field “Series�
blank in
our master source, we get “Henderson, North Carolina, 1: 81,
heirs of
Reuben Fletcher to Charles Greer, 20 Dec 1834; Register of Deeds,
Henderson County, Hendersonville.� The words “deed 
book� do
not appear
and even though one might assume that’s where the record is
found, I
think the book type should be named. So I entered “Deed
Books� into
the series field, and got the above with “Deed Books� now
appearing
between North Carolina and 1: 81. Does this seem right?

Does anyone use a single Master Source for multiple deeds in one
book,
for example, and if so, is that a preference simply because it means
not as many steps as entering each individual deed as a Master
Source
and does it make it harder to find the reference to a particular
deed
  & nbsp; in your sources or not really?

Thanks,

Barton







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[LegacyUG] Master source template - deeds

[Barton Lewis]

I'm just starting to enter deeds, and selected the first Master Template
(Deed Books > Basic format) since I have the deed sent to me by the county
registrar.  My question is this:  I know EE talks about the "series" in
which a specific record falls; but how useful or even relevant is this
information?  When we order a deed from the courthouse, we aren't usually
told what "record group" or "series" it's in; "Henderson County, North
Carolina Deed Book 1, p. 81" as about as good as it gets.  So when we leave
the field "Series" blank in our master source, we get "Henderson, North
Carolina, 1: 81, heirs of Reuben Fletcher to Charles Greer, 20 Dec 1834;
Register of Deeds, Henderson County, Hendersonville."  The words "deed book"
do not appear and even though one might assume that's where the record is
found, I think the book type should be named.  So I entered "Deed Books"
into the series field, and got the above with "Deed Books" now appearing
between North Carolina and 1: 81.  Does this seem right?



Does anyone use a single Master Source for multiple deeds in one book, for
example, and if so, is that a preference simply because it means not as many
steps as entering each individual deed as a Master Source and does it make
it harder to find the reference to a particular deed in your sources or not
really?



Thanks,



Barton







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Re: [LegacyUG] Household Staff on Census Forms

[BARTON LEWIS]

I agree, I would enter them in the transcription of the census entry.
 When abstracting a record, I feel it's appropriate to leave out certain
language (like boilerplate language in a deed), but when transcribing a
record, it's not appropriate to selectively edit the material (usually
and not without explanation).  


Barton


On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 09:38 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:

> On 13 Jan 2016 at 18:09, Steve Wilson wrote:
>
>> I am looking at a 1910 United States Federal Census that has 2 people
>> listed
>> as part of the household; a cook and a nurse. I do not include these
>> people as
>> part of the household when entering census information. What do other
>> people
>> do?
>
> I don't enter them in Legacy either, unless they are related, because
> Legacy
> is a lineage-linked genealogy program, but, as I mentioned in a post
> of a few
> weeks ago, I would like to see an event-based program where it would
> be
> possible and appropriate to enter such people, and also unrelated
> visitors
> etc.
>
> See here for details:
>
> https://t.co/gef7ukOLBF
>
>
> --
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RE: [LegacyUG] Linking Source Citations

[Barton Lewis]

I ran a test trying to replace a name with another name (as if there were a 
typo) in the text/comments field of a census detail and this worked perfectly.  
However, let's say I was working with a family of ten children and I overlooked 
one of them, and now I want to add her to every record where I used the 
clipboard to add that source with detail.  Is that possible?  I tried several 
ways of creating a line break after adding an existing name in the replace 
field to add the omitted name, but that doesn't seem to work.

Thanks,

Barton



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From: Dick and Leslie Felts [mailto:rjfe...@msn.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 1:00 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Linking Source Citations

Jenny:

"Search and Replace" does seem like a handy tool.  It might just do the trick.

Thanks.

Dick Felts

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From: "Jenny M Benson" 
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 12:30 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Linking Source Citations

> On 18/12/2015 21:46, Dick and Leslie Felts wrote:
>> I see where altering a master source changes it for everyone but
>> that's working at the Source level, not the Detail level.  For
>> example, if I inadvertently typed "Cenuss" instead of "Census"
>> somewhere in the Master Source, I could go back and edit it, and the
>> changes show up everywhere the source appeared.  But what if I made a
>> typo at the Detail level and then copied that Detail to many people.
>> I would need to correct each typo separately if I understand correctly.
>
> If you just want to change a spelling error you can use Search and
> Replace, selecting "Citation Details", "Citation Text" or "Citation
> Comments" as the Find Where, depending on which is appropriate.  In
> fact, you can change a lot more than just a spelling mistake that way.
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RE: [LegacyUG] File Id's

[Barton Lewis]

Okay, thanks for your reply, Steve.

Regards,

Barton

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Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 11:48 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] File Id's

On 18 Dec 2015 at 22:23, BARTON LEWIS wrote:

> Thanks, Steve.  A couple of questions.  I have my own naming
> convention for my sources on my hard drive.  Why would I need to
> supplement that with a file id?  Does it have anything to do with
> maintaining a master source list?  I don't do that.  I know EE
> recommends it.  I figure if I have my data supported by sources, and I
> have them properly cited, then I have done the work.

I don't think you have to. The File ID is a convenience for those whose system 
requires it. I use it only for a reference to *paper* documents, not things on 
my hard disk.

> I generated the file id report.  First it listed Source Citations.
>  Since I was entering the Find A Grave Memorial # in the file id
> field, my report is a bit of a mess.  It doesn't reflect what the
> report is supposed to look like.  I ask again - purely innocently and
> because I don't know the answer - what is the purpose of this report?
> Is it to generate a kind of source list?  I am trying to imagine when
> that would be useful -- to see exactly what people have been assigned
> a particular source?  Any other reason?

Until I read what you wrote above, I had never tried to generate a File ID 
report. I tried it and also did not know what it was for.

But where I use the File Id is when I print a family group sheet or other 
report, with sources, then I see the File ID and know exactly which document to 
go to to see the source of that information.

If it is Document 2385, then I go to where I have filed that document (between 
2384 and 2386). The actual "document" on file may be a birth certificate, a 
family tree sent by someone else, a letter, a printout of an e-mail message, 
notes I made from a book or archival records (I would, of course, include full 
bibliographical information on the book), or any other kind of paper 
information.

If the File Id doesn't fit your system of record keeping, there's no need to 
use it. But it fits my system, so I use it.




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RE: [LegacyUG] Linking Source Citations

[Barton Lewis]

That's terrific, thank you!

Barton

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Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 4:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Linking Source Citations

On 19/12/2015 21:02, Barton Lewis wrote:
> I ran a test trying to replace a name with another name (as if there
> were a typo) in the text/comments field of a census detail and this
> worked perfectly.  However, let's say I was working with a family of
> ten children and I overlooked one of them, and now I want to add her
> to every record where I used the clipboard to add that source with
> detail.  Is that possible?  I tried several ways of creating a line
> break after adding an existing name in the replace field to add the
> omitted name, but that doesn't seem to work.

If I had a list of names (one below the other) and wanted to add Joe Bloggs 
below Jane Bloggs I would put "Jane Bloggs" in the Find What field, then in the 
Replace With field I'd type "Jane Blogss" then click on the CR button (below 
left on that screen) then type "Joe Bloggs" then again click on the CR button.

Don't actually type the quotation marks.

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RE: [LegacyUG] obituary on website as source

[BARTON LEWIS]

Thanks Michele, Pat, Cathy and Joan.  I see the reasoning behind not
creating the source as I have done - Find A Grave is not the "unrelated
content provider."  A good lesson in what to be looking for when
selecting a master source and correlating it to what you're using.  In
most cases, I do try to refer to the obituary at genealogybank, or my
own copy.  As it happens, I later found Clint Low's obit at
genealogybank - but sometimes, if the one I want is only on FAG, and I
can't get my hands on a copy, I'll use FAG's transcription.  Joan's
practice of crediting the person who did the transcription in such cases
is also helpful.

Best,

Barton


On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 08:05 AM, Michele/Support wrote:

> Barton,
> You would not use this template unless you found the obit yourself on
> GenealogyBank or one of the other sites.  That is what this template
> is designed for.  Find A Grave certainly didn't issue this obit.
>
> I personally would not use it.  I would contact the person that posted
> it to see if they can send you a copy of the obit or if they can give
> you the information you need to be able to get a copy yourself.  To be
> able to cite this properly you will need to be able to see the entire
> page, not just the article.  You need the masthead, date, page number
> and column.  If the person sends you a digital image of the article
> only I would seriously try to find it in its entirety but you can site
> this as a clipping.  You would use the newspaper template for
> print/microfilm. Here is an example
>
> "Miss Batson Weds Sgt. W.P. Simmons," Hattiesburg American, 22 May
> 1953, p. (unknown), col. (unknown); original clipping.
>
> If someone send you a copy of the original clipping then I would put
> "digital image of original clipping provided by Jane Doe (Baltimore,
> Maryland)"  There are several different ways to site this if this was
> the situation.  I am only telling you how I would do it.
>
> I do have the original clipping in my possession BUT I have access to
> the Hattiesburg American so I need to find it and cite it with the
> missing information.  This article happened to be at the top of the
> page so I did have the name of the newspaper.  With some clippings you
> won't which makes it a tad harder :)  Hmm, need to put that on my
> To-Do List...
>
>
> Michele
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: BARTON LEWIS [mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net]
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 11:42 PM
> To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] obituary on website as source
>
> I want to use an obituary that is transcribed on a Find A Grave
> memorial as a source.  I created a Master Source using "Obituary >
> Newspapers > Online images (issued by unrelated content provider)."
> On the Source Info tab I filled in the Source List Name and the Title
> only.  On the Detail Information tab I filled in all the fields
> beginning with Article and down to and including Date Accessed.  The
> output is as follows:
>
>
> "Clint A. ("Chip") Low," The Highlander News (Brownwood, TX), 25 May
> 2011, p. 37; digital images, Find A Grave (www.findagrave.com :
> accessed
> 15 Dec 2015).
>
>
> The problem is that I need to add the Find A Grave memorial # to the
> record.  I had been doing that in the File ID field located at the
> bottom of the Detail Information page.  But I now believe that to be
> wrong as this field is for some other intended use and, in any event,
> does not show up in any output that I can find.  Does anyone have a
> suggestion on where to include the memorial # or how they would have
> handled this source differently?
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Barton
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] File Id's

[BARTON LEWIS]

Thanks.  But I'm not asking where you can add the File ID.  That
information is readily available in the Help feature.  What I am asking
is, what is the purpose of the File ID?  Perhaps it's obvious to all but
me.  I have my own convention for naming sources; since most sources are
specific to a particular person or group of related persons, I save them
in the subfolder for that family in my main genealogy folder on my hard
drive.  Is that what the File ID is - a way of "naming" a source?  Does
it correspond to the actual name of the image (jpg) as saved in your
computer?  I tried watching the 1st 2 Clooz videos to gain an idea of
what Clooz is for, but found them (like the Legacy Help feature)
uninformative.  Discussion of the menus and features are of little help
when the intended use of the software, feature or tool is not provided. 
If someone can give a succinct definition of what the File ID is that an
intelligent third grader could understand, I would be grateful.  (This
was a definition that a college professor once gave me as to what
constitutes clear writing, and I have always hewed to it.)  Thanks,
Barton

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 02:15 AM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
Barton,



You can add a File ID to a Master Source or to Source Detail. Look for
the box on those screens.



I also use the CLOOZ numbering system though I no longer have CLOOZ.
I'll always be grateful for the idea as I was surrounded by people who
filed by family and I just couldn't get my head around how to do that
without spending ages writing cross-reference notes OR spending a heap
on photocopying. When my "to photocopy" pile was larger than my to file
pile and virtually nothing had been filed, I figured I needed a
different system. CLOOZ to the rescue. :-)



But I only briefly used the first version of the program. Too much
double entry. I don't know whether version 3, recently released, makes
it worth using or not.



Cathy



mvmc...@aol.com wrote:



I number my documents using CLOOZ and use the File ID field to pu
t the

document number.

ie Birth 001, Birth 002 and so on. Depends on how many categories you

want. I use the KISS principal so put letters and emails under

correspondence [Corr 001]

Marie



Marie Varrelman Melchiori, Certified Genealogist Emeritus

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Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified

genealogists after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name

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In a message dated 2015-12-17 11:22:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

bartonle...@optonline.net writes:



    What is a File ID? I went to Help and typed in "File ID" in the
index

    and "File ID Number" came up. I selected Display and a screen came
up

    with the heading "File ID Number Assista
nt." There is information on

    how to generate lists, sort and perform various functions using

    the File

    ID, but there is no definition or explanation of the File ID itself.

    That information would be helpful.





    Thanks,





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Re: [LegacyUG] File Id's

[BARTON LEWIS]

Thanks, Steve.  A couple of questions.  I have my own naming convention
for my sources on my hard drive.  Why would I need to supplement that
with a file id?  Does it have anything to do with maintaining a master
source list?  I don't do that.  I know EE recommends it.  I figure if I
have my data supported by sources, and I have them properly cited, then
I have done the work.  


I generated the file id report.  First it listed Source Citations.
 Since I was entering the Find A Grave Memorial # in the file id field,
my report is a bit of a mess.  It doesn't reflect what the report is
supposed to look like.  I ask again - purely innocently and because I
don't know the answer - what is the purpose of this report?  Is it to
generate a kind of source list?  I am trying to imagine when that would
be useful -- to see exactly what people have been assigned a particular
source?  Any other reason?


Thank you for your patience and help.


Barton


On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:

> On 18 Dec 2015 at 10:16, BARTON LEWIS wrote:
>
>> Thanks.  But I'm not asking where you can add the File ID.  That
>> information is readily available in the Help feature.  What I am
>> asking is,
>> what is the purpose of the File ID? 
>
> I suppose one can use it for a variety of purposes, but I use it for
> the
> number of a hard-copy document I file away.
>
> I give each such document a serial number as I file it.
>
> I think I mentioned in another program that I use the Research Data
> Filer
> program (RDF) to index the documents. It has a description of the
> document,
> and, and an index of persons mentioned in the document. If I use that
> document as a source for information in every,y Legacy database, then
> I would
> give the file Id, so I can go straight to that document to see what it
> says.
>
>
>
> --
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Re: [LegacyUG] obituary on website as source

[BARTON LEWIS]

Thanks, Sue!  That seems like a good use of master source and fields.


Barton

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 05:34 PM, Sue wrote:

 Find A Grave, Inc., "Grave Records," database and images,
Findagrave.com (http://findagrave.com/ <http://findagrave.com/>
 : accessed 12 Dec 2015); Jane June, memorial 19801302; created by
 "Tombstone Hunter," 9 Jun 2007. 



 Source: Database & Images

 In detail:

     Item of Interest: Jane June, memorial 19801302

     Credit Line: created by "Tombstone Hunter," 9 Jun 2007



 This works well for what I need and produces an adequate citation.



 Sue



 Susan Wallace Masse

 Stayton, Oregon




On 17-Dec-15 11:20 PM, Joan Powell
   wrote:




   For my Find A Grave sources, I put the memorial #, as well as the
name of
the person who created the entry, in the Source Detail Comments section
(on
the Text/Comments tab of the Source Detail), and check the box, "Add
these
comments to the Source Citation on Reports".  Then I end up with a
Footnote/Endnote Citation like this:

Find A Grave, "Find A Grave," database, Find A Grave (www.findagrave.com
<http://www.findagrave.com>  :
accessed 5 Apr 2012), Henry Widick; Entry created by Gail Wenhardt, Sept
21,
2011  Find A Grave Memorial # 76873598.

Many times a photo, or image such as your obituary may be, that has been
added by someone other than the person who originally created the entry
on
Find A Grave.  In that case, I add something like "Photo added by
xx" to
the Comments, so that both people who created the page are credited.

-- Joan Powell

-Original Message-
From: BARTON LEWIS
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:42 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
<mailto:legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com>
Subject: [LegacyUG] obituary on website as source

I want to use an obituary that is transcribed on a Find A Grave memorial
as a source.  I created a Master Source using "Obituary > Newspapers >
Online images (issued by unrelated content provider)."  On the Source
Info tab I filled in the Source List Name and the Title only.  On the
Detail Information tab I filled in all the fields beginning with Article
and down to and including Date Accessed.  The output is as follows:

"Clint A. ("Chip") Low," The Highlander News (Brownwood, TX), 25 May
2011, p. 37; digital images, Find A Grave (www.findagrave.com
<http://www.findagrave.com>  : accessed
15 Dec 2015).

The problem is that I need to add the Find A Grave memorial # to the
record.  I had been doing that in the File ID field located at the
bottom of the Detail Information page.  But I now believe that to be
wrong as this field is for some other intended use and, in any event,
does not show up in any output that I can find.  Does anyone have a
suggestion on where to include the memorial # or how they would have
handled this source differently?

Thank you,
Barton





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RE: [LegacyUG] obituary on website as source

[Barton Lewis]

Just a little follow up to this thread.  I ended up adopting Sue’s method.  It 
freed up the Text/Comments field to enter the actual tombstone inscription.  I 
used the fields on the Detail Information tab to fill in the credit line and 
memorial number (coupled with the deceased’s name in the Item of Interest 
field).



Barton



From: Sue [mailto:j...@wvi.com]
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 5:34 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] obituary on website as source



Find A Grave, Inc., "Grave Records," database and images, Findagrave.com 
(http://findagrave.com/ : accessed 12 Dec 2015); Jane June, memorial 19801302; 
created by "Tombstone Hunter," 9 Jun 2007.

Source: Database & Images
In detail:
Item of Interest: Jane June, memorial 19801302
Credit Line: created by "Tombstone Hunter," 9 Jun 2007

This works well for what I need and produces an adequate citation.

Sue

Susan Wallace Masse
Stayton, Oregon

On 17-Dec-15 11:20 PM, Joan Powell wrote:

For my Find A Grave sources, I put the memorial #, as well as the name of
the person who created the entry, in the Source Detail Comments section (on
the Text/Comments tab of the Source Detail), and check the box, "Add these
comments to the Source Citation on Reports".  Then I end up with a
Footnote/Endnote Citation like this:

Find A Grave, "Find A Grave," database, Find A Grave (www.findagrave.com 
<http://www.findagrave.com>  :
accessed 5 Apr 2012), Henry Widick; Entry created by Gail Wenhardt, Sept 21,
2011  Find A Grave Memorial # 76873598.

Many times a photo, or image such as your obituary may be, that has been
added by someone other than the person who originally created the entry on
Find A Grave.  In that case, I add something like "Photo added by xx" to
the Comments, so that both people who created the page are credited.

-- Joan Powell

-Original Message-
From: BARTON LEWIS
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:42 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] obituary on website as source

I want to use an obituary that is transcribed on a Find A Grave memorial
as a source.  I created a Master Source using "Obituary > Newspapers >
Online images (issued by unrelated content provider)."  On the Source
Info tab I filled in the Source List Name and the Title only.  On the
Detail Information tab I filled in all the fields beginning with Article
and down to and including Date Accessed.  The output is as follows:

"Clint A. ("Chip") Low," The Highlander News (Brownwood, TX), 25 May
2011, p. 37; digital images, Find A Grave (www.findagrave.com 
<http://www.findagrave.com>  : accessed
15 Dec 2015).

The problem is that I need to add the Find A Grave memorial # to the
record.  I had been doing that in the File ID field located at the
bottom of the Detail Information page.  But I now believe that to be
wrong as this field is for some other intended use and, in any event,
does not show up in any output that I can find.  Does anyone have a
suggestion on where to include the memorial # or how they would have
handled this source differently?

Thank you,
Barton





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[LegacyUG] File Id's

[BARTON LEWIS]

What is a File ID?  I went to Help and typed in "File ID" in the index
and "File ID Number" came up.  I selected Display and a screen came up
with the heading "File ID Number Assistant."  There is information on
how to generate lists, sort and perform various functions using the File
ID, but there is no definition or explanation of the File ID itself.
 That information would be helpful.


Thanks, 


Barton




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[LegacyUG] obituary on website as source

[BARTON LEWIS]

I want to use an obituary that is transcribed on a Find A Grave memorial
as a source.  I created a Master Source using "Obituary > Newspapers >
Online images (issued by unrelated content provider)."  On the Source
Info tab I filled in the Source List Name and the Title only.  On the
Detail Information tab I filled in all the fields beginning with Article
and down to and including Date Accessed.  The output is as follows:


"Clint A. ("Chip") Low," The Highlander News (Brownwood, TX), 25 May
2011, p. 37; digital images, Find A Grave (www.findagrave.com : accessed
15 Dec 2015).


The problem is that I need to add the Find A Grave memorial # to the
record.  I had been doing that in the File ID field located at the
bottom of the Detail Information page.  But I now believe that to be
wrong as this field is for some other intended use and, in any event,
does not show up in any output that I can find.  Does anyone have a
suggestion on where to include the memorial # or how they would have
handled this source differently?


Thank you,


Barton




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[LegacyUG] Using Legacy - which guide?

[BARTON LEWIS]

I was all set to buy Legacy Unlocked and then noticed the set of Video
Training CD's and the Official Unofficial Guide.  Has anyone used all
three or can someone tell me the fundamental differences between them,
with their preference? 

Thanks,

Barton




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Re: [LegacyUG] Using Legacy - which guide?

[BARTON LEWIS]

good to know, thank you, Geoff.  I think I'll start with Unlocked, and
move onto the videos, if that feels right.


Best,


Barton

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 06:45 PM, Geoff Rasmussen wrote:

Barton,

(from the author...) 


Good questions. Maybe I can offer a little insight. All three will help
you learn how to best use Legacy, it just depends on how you learn best.
And none of them duplicate each other.


The training videos work your way through the program - explaining the
fine details of how to do what.


The Unofficial Guide is an organized compilation of years of tips and
tricks from our Legacy News blog.


Legacy Unlocked takes an actual research problem and walks you through,
step-by-step, how to apply the research to using Legacy. Specific
examples include a death certificate, census, obituary, tombstone, land,
and marriage records.


If I had to narrow it down to two - I would recommend the Unlocked and
the training videos.



Thanks,
 
Geoff Rasmussen
Millennia Corporation
ge...@legacyfamilytree.com <mailto:ge...@legacyfamilytree.com>
www.LegacyFamilyTree.com <http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/>



On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 3:28 PM, BARTON LEWIS <bartonle...@optonline.net
<mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net> > wrote:
I was all set to buy Legacy Unlocked and then noticed the set of Video

Training CD's and the Official Unofficial Guide.  Has anyone used all

three or can someone tell me the fundamental differences between them,

with their preference? 



Thanks,



Barton









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