Re: first successful boot with GRUB floppy

2006-01-31 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Josh wrote:
 hda is my Windows XP, without which, i couldn't have joined this
 mailing list or search for information online.  I chose to completely
 preserve the MBR (and all of my first hard drive) as it is my lifeline
 if something goes wrong.  The next task at hand is to figure out how to
 tweak the windows boot.ini file to default boot my LFS system.  After
 that I can modify any and all linux configuration files to suit my
 tastes.  Once I've accomplished that, it's on to the BLFS book. :-D

To be honest, it's probably easier to get grub to boot windows than it
would be to get windows to boot your LFS system. Google for it. :) Once
you find the command to do it in grub you can test it from your rescue
disk. Once you've tested it and are happy with the results, you can then
 install grub to the MBR of hda.

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Re: problem with fixed font on X

2006-01-31 Thread Ricardo Eureka!
2006/1/30, Alan Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
here's a couple of pointers that may (or may not) help...
 
  Did you actually configure your fonts as explained in the subsequent
  sections of the book Chapters 25 and 26?
 
 
  Did I miss something?

 Sorry - I meant the last two sections of Chapter 25 and not 26 - My
 fault! There is an important section on setting up your TrueType fonts.

wellmy fault too :(

I could work it out!

It seems that I compiled fonts /after/ X!

Sorry, and thanks for your great help!

Now, to compile xfce!!! :)



  Are your fonts installed in the paths that Xorg is looking? (Or are they
  in /usr/share/fonts)
 
  mmm let's see:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# ls -a /usr/share/fonts
  ls: /usr/share/fonts: No existe el fichero o el directorio
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/#
 
 
  any advice? recompile? reinstall? from where?
 I wouldn't start all over just yet...

 What versions of (book, xorg, lfs etc are you following?)

 Where are your fonts? Can you locate them and do they match the defaults
 in the xorg.conf?

 Alan

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spawnig too fast

2006-01-31 Thread mrdaniel
hi,

upon rebooting after completing the book, got the following screen lines 
INIT Id 1 respawning too fase: disable for 5 minutes
INIT Id 2 respawning too fase: disable for 5 minutes
-
similarly up to 
INIT Id 6 respawning too fase: disable for 5 minutes
no more processes left in this run level

and stuck there..

what could have been incorrect.
please advise.

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gkd-pixbuf-config ?

2006-01-31 Thread Luca Dionisi
Hi all

I've got problems installing a software that require GTK+1.
It complains it doesn't find gdk-pixbuf-config. Indeed, I've not this tool.

How do I obtain this tool?

I installed GTK+2. As required I installed before GLib 2, Imlib2
Then I installed GTK+1 (and GLib 1, Imlib1)

I searched googling... I can't find which tarball is responsible for
providing this tool.

Thanks

Luca

BTW the software that I'm trying to install is Perl-Gtk, which is
required by dvd::rip.
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Re: first successful boot with GRUB floppy

2006-01-31 Thread Georg Schinnerl
 --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
 Von: Josh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 An: lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org
 Betreff: first successful boot with GRUB floppy
 Datum: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:44:16 -0800 (PST)
 
 As the title states, I successfully booted my shiny new LFS-6.1.1
 system with the aid of the grub rescue disk!  You should've seen the
 grin on my face when it happened... priceless.  It's a by the book
 system with almost no variations except for booting.  /boot is hdb1,
 swap is hdb2, and / is hdb3.  There were no kernel panics or any other
 noticeable errors for the debut.
 

Hi Josh

I used thos procedure with lilo for a long time. 
See it as basic information how it could be done.

I installed grub only one time so far and it worked for me - but I'm not
too familiar with grub's way of naming partitions. (I think /dev/hdb5 
corresponds to (hd1,4))

what i did was the following:
(changing the commands from section 8.4 slightly) 

1. start grub
2. run the root command  (for example: root (hd1,4))
3. run the setup command - use the same partition as above  
 ( setup (hd1,4) )
this installs the bootsector onto the same partition as your LFS
system is installed - your MBR on /dev/hda stays untouched .
4. quit grub


then use the following command to write this bootsector into a file
dd if=/dev/hdb5 of=/root/boot.lnx bs=512 count=1

copy the file boot.lnx to your windows partition and add a line 
similar to the following to your boot.ini - section [operating systems]

c:\boot.lnx=LFS-6.1.1

and in the section [boot loader] change or add the value for timeout, so 
can choose which OS you want to boot.

[boot loader]
timeout=5


that's it

disadvanteges of this method 
1. you have to rerun the dd ... command every time you compile 
a new kernel

2. when using NTFS with your WindowsXP you can't write to your C: drive
so have to boot your WinXP and use something like explore2fs.exe to read
your new boot.lnx from your ext2 partition.
 
hope this helps 
sorry for my bad english

greetings Georg 








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Re: gkd-pixbuf-config ?

2006-01-31 Thread Randy McMurchy
Luca Dionisi wrote these words on 01/31/06 08:16 CST:

 I've got problems installing a software that require GTK+1.
 It complains it doesn't find gdk-pixbuf-config. Indeed, I've not this tool.
 
 How do I obtain this tool?

http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/stable/gnome/gdkpixbuf.html


 BTW the software that I'm trying to install is Perl-Gtk, which is
 required by dvd::rip.

If the package you're trying to install is Gtk-Perl-0.7009 then
good luck. This package is a mother-f**. Hint: keep running the
build until it builds everything. Chances are it won't the first time
through. It really sucks. With patience, you can get it installed.

This Package used to be in BLFS, but we pulled it out because it
would not build properly. There is a switch you can use,
--without-guessing, but if you do that I believe it won't build
everything required by dvd::rip.

Good luck, and have patience. It can be done. :-)

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Re: spawnig too fast

2006-01-31 Thread mrdaniel
--- Alan Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You are really trying everyone's patience.
 
 FAQ
 

i had checked and corrected those entries but upon reboot it still loops there. 

But its funny thing is that out of 3 HD with numeric prefix in the etc/inittab, 
those did not had that only one that was built with a PIII-450.

hence what is the correct step to take.

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Re: spawnig too fast

2006-01-31 Thread Matt Darcy




i had checked and corrected those entries but upon reboot it still loops there. 


But its funny thing is that out of 3 HD with numeric prefix in the etc/inittab, 
those did not had that only one that was built with a PIII-450.

hence what is the correct step to take.

thanks



3 HD's with numeric prefix in /etc/inittab ??? what does that mean, they 
did not have the one build with a Piii-450 ? inittab values using the 
machines arch ??? what the heck are you talking about


http://redora.redhat.com
http://www.debian.org
http://www.suse.com
http://www.ubuntu.com

pick one - use it - learn !

Matt




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Re: spawnig too fast

2006-01-31 Thread Randy McMurchy
Matt Darcy wrote these words on 01/31/06 09:28 CST:

 http://redora.redhat.com

It looks like that dog in the old Jetsons cartoon typed this.
What was its name, Astro?  :-)

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Re: spawnig too fast

2006-01-31 Thread Matt Darcy

Randy McMurchy wrote:

Matt Darcy wrote these words on 01/31/06 09:28 CST:


http://redora.redhat.com


It looks like that dog in the old Jetsons cartoon typed this.
What was its name, Astro?  :-)



Its the new distro - keep up Randy, don't you know anything
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Re: spawnig too fast

2006-01-31 Thread Shane Shields

Randy McMurchy wrote:


Matt Darcy wrote these words on 01/31/06 09:28 CST:

 


http://redora.redhat.com
   



It looks like that dog in the old Jetsons cartoon typed this.
What was its name, Astro?  :-)

 


LOL


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Re: spawnig too fast

2006-01-31 Thread Jeremy Huntwork

Randy McMurchy wrote:

Matt Darcy wrote these words on 01/31/06 09:28 CST:


http://redora.redhat.com


It looks like that dog in the old Jetsons cartoon typed this.
What was its name, Astro?  :-)



Ruh roh.
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Re: spawnig too fast

2006-01-31 Thread mrdaniel
--- Matt Darcy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 3 HD's with numeric prefix in /etc/inittab ??? what does that mean,

i worked throughout with 3 PCs thus have 3 HDD, and each have been done 
according to the book, but as at now realised the typo error etered as for 
6.56.2 cofiguring Sysvinit, the groupo of 7 lines for the rc 0 thru 6, the 
leftonst character, x0 through x6 where x was entered a numeric one which was 
incorrect.

my feedback earlier was meant to be informative and not a challenge, that how 
come HD A  B no problem but only C. The respawning should happen to all.

ok then after correcting the entries of the prefix to lowerCase L in HD-C and 
reboot, the respawning still happens.

another point to make sure is there a spacing in the print 
'\033(K' between the 3 and the (. and if we spaced it does that contribute to 
that respawning case.

thanks.



 
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syslog

2006-01-31 Thread mrdaniel
hi,

i got another situation here that the following messages appeared in the boot 
process :-

starting system log daemon ...
nice: syslogd: no such file or directory

starting kernel log daemon 
nice: klogd: no such file or directoty.

we had checked and the /etc/syslog.conf has been coded and even after booting, 
checked that file is there.

please advise.

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Re: syslog

2006-01-31 Thread Jeremy Huntwork

mrdaniel wrote:

hi,

i got another situation here that the following messages appeared in the boot 
process :-

starting system log daemon ...
nice: syslogd: no such file or directory

starting kernel log daemon 
nice: klogd: no such file or directoty.

we had checked and the /etc/syslog.conf has been coded and even after booting, 
checked that file is there.


Before you ask another question here, please list what you steps have 
taken to find the answer to this problem yourself. Before *ever* you 
post a request for help here, you should have at least used Google to 
search for an answer.  As you may have noticed, your requests for 
support aren't received too well as it appears that you're not 
*carefully* following the book, and you're not searching for the answer 
yourself.


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Re: spawnig too fast

2006-01-31 Thread Luca Dionisi
:)

On 1/31/06, Matt Darcy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://redora.redhat.com
 http://www.debian.org
 http://www.suse.com
 http://www.ubuntu.com


Why not www.microsoft.com and try to ask for support to them?
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Re: first successful boot with GRUB floppy

2006-01-31 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 1/30/06, Josh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 hda is my Windows XP, without which, i couldn't have joined this
 mailing list or search for information online.  I chose to completely
 preserve the MBR (and all of my first hard drive) as it is my lifeline
 if something goes wrong.  The next task at hand is to figure out how to
 tweak the windows boot.ini file to default boot my LFS system.  After
 that I can modify any and all linux configuration files to suit my
 tastes.  Once I've accomplished that, it's on to the BLFS book. :-D

Congrats, Josh.  The first one is the toughest.  It get's infinitely
easier from here on out.

I've been doing the dual-boot thing with XP for about a year now. 
Getting boot.ini sounds like an interesting exercise, but going with
GRUB will be much easier.  GRUB is intentionally built to handle many
types of systems, while Windows, well...

I can say that you shouldn't be scared to overwrite the MBR.  I was
scared, too, but it turns out it's not dangerous.  All you need to
rewrite the MBR with the XP bootloader is the XP CD.  That's in the
highly unlikely event that you decide that linux is not for you and
you want to go back to just Windows.

If you want to email me off-list about tips for dual-booting with
Windows, feel free to.  This probably isn't the best forum to discuss
it, though.  My email address should be in the header of this message.

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Re: syslog

2006-01-31 Thread mrdaniel
--- Jeremy Huntwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Before you ask another question here, please list what you steps
 have 
 taken to find the answer to this problem yourself. Before *ever* you
 
 post a request for help here, you should have at least used Google
 to 
 search for an answer.  As you may have noticed, your requests for 
 support aren't received too well as it appears that you're not 
 *carefully* following the book, and you're not searching for the
 answer 
 yourself.
 

your point is taken seriously and in fact tried over more than 15 times 
building LFS more than 3 weeks with daily about 12 hours and even scrificing 
our 
Chinese Lunar New Year for the urge to do one at least perfect LFS. but till 
now not there yet. If you expert could lend a hand LFS sould be up and running 
in perfection I believe in less than a normal working week. Doing searches 
elsewhere only strengthen the linux knowledge base but rolling out LFS or even 
BLFS will be longer and so costlier in term of man hour.

thus as you can see, I am not trying to get spoon-fed, but hope that 
lfs-support will be supportive and thus be productive. 

But anyway, we had many errors trying to quicken the build process and stress 
over-drived. But like others if we can chat a little bit productivity will rise.

I had seen one new comer who spoke of bicycle and such and is good humor. so 
let it be me.

If we can get LFS and beyond going in under one week, its wonderful. 

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Re: syslog

2006-01-31 Thread Luca Dionisi
On 1/31/06, mrdaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Chinese Lunar New Year for the urge to do one at least perfect LFS. but till 
 now not there yet. If you expert could lend a hand LFS sould be up and 
 running in perfection I believe in less than a normal working week. Doing 
 searches elsewhere only strengthen the linux knowledge base but rolling out 
 LFS or even BLFS will be longer and so costlier in term of man hour.

 thus as you can see, I am not trying to get spoon-fed, but hope that 
 lfs-support will be supportive and thus be productive.

Then, you don't need LFS. You can live easily and *productively*
with any recent linux distro.
Really. Try and you'll see.

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Re: syslog

2006-01-31 Thread mrdaniel
--- Luca Dionisi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Then, you don't need LFS. You can live easily and *productively*
 with any recent linux distro.
 Really. Try and you'll see.
 

ok, that's equivalent to the notion of mastering an art it may take as long as 
3 years before one can come down from the mountain to deliver in the real world.

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Re: syslog

2006-01-31 Thread Luca Dionisi
On 1/31/06, mrdaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ok, that's equivalent to the notion of mastering an art it may take as long 
 as 3 years before one can come down from the mountain to deliver in the real 
 world.


IMHO 3 years is too much, one week is too few.

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Re: syslog

2006-01-31 Thread Ricardo Frydman Eureka!
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mrdaniel wrote:
 --- Jeremy Huntwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
Before you ask another question here, please list what you steps
have 
taken to find the answer to this problem yourself. Before *ever* you

post a request for help here, you should have at least used Google
to 
search for an answer.  As you may have noticed, your requests for 
support aren't received too well as it appears that you're not 
*carefully* following the book, and you're not searching for the
answer 
yourself.

 
 

Mr Daniel:

I am a non-English speaker too.
I think that LFS is not for everyone, I hope you understand what I mean

You need some basic requirements to get it succesfully working:

+ some linux basis
+ some mailing-list experience
+ some google, HOWTOs, installing packages
+ some technical English at least read  write

 your point is taken seriously and in fact tried over more than 15 times 
 building LFS more than 3 weeks with daily about 12 hours and even scrificing 
 our 
 Chinese Lunar New Year for the urge to do one at least perfect LFS. but till 
 now not there yet. 

if it says something to you, I tried LFS for the first time about 2
years ago and I just begin to /read/ it and I discovered it wasn't the
time for me to experience it. (For this time I have had +3 yr experience
with Linux systems)

 If you expert could lend a hand LFS sould be up and running in perfection I 
 believe in less than a normal working week. Doing searches elsewhere only 
 strengthen the linux knowledge base but rolling out LFS or even BLFS will be 
 longer and so costlier in term of man hour.
Now, I re-took the challenge a few weeks ago, read the book patiently,
and began, also patiently, to build my own LFS.
I have had some problems, 3 to be honest:
2 were my fault, and the other a Ubuntu-host related problem.

I asked for help both here and in the IRC channel and I found great
people givimg me help.
Of course they could see I read the book and tried it by myself /before/
asking.

Now I have in my laptop a beautifull, small,powerfull and stable linux
distro with X home-made.
The sensation is very agreable!


So my best advice is: be honest with you and ask yourself:

+ is LFS for me?
+ is the right time for LFS?

 
 thus as you can see, I am not trying to get spoon-fed, but hope that 
 lfs-support will be supportive and thus be productive. 
 
 But anyway, we had many errors trying to quicken the build process and stress 
 over-drived. But like others if we can chat a little bit productivity will 
 rise.
 
 I had seen one new comer who spoke of bicycle and such and is good humor. so 
 let it be me.
 
 If we can get LFS and beyond going in under one week, its wonderful. 
 
 thanks and regards.

Best regards,
 


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Re: syslog

2006-01-31 Thread Matt Darcy

mrdaniel wrote:

hi,

i got another situation here that the following messages appeared in the boot 
process :-

starting system log daemon ...
nice: syslogd: no such file or directory

starting kernel log daemon 
nice: klogd: no such file or directoty.

we had checked and the /etc/syslog.conf has been coded and even after booting, 
checked that file is there.

please advise.

thanks



Daniel,

I'm going to go out on a limb here.

Your constant asking of basic questions and lack of ability to debug 
problems, is now becoming old.


I suggest you build up a basic level of understanding of linux by using 
one of the distros I suggested earlier.


I'll re-list them correcting my typo before Randy is setup on me.

http://fedora.redhat.com
http://www.debian.org
http://www.ubuntu.org
http://www.suse.com

I don't know why your trying to build 3lfs systems on different 
harddisks, but being honest with you, please please please use another 
distro to get a basic understanding of how to use linux before 
progressing with LFS.


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Re: syslog

2006-01-31 Thread mrdaniel
--- Jeremy Huntwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 probably 
 missing some of the finer points in the book. When you encounter a
 word 
 or phrase you're not familiar with, how do you work out its
 meaning?
 

by experimetation. 
for example the page for untaring had been misunderstood and a new folder was 
created to unzip the tarballs. later turn around and untar inside the sources 
because the compilations could not find some files and that took some time 
because I started off with a slower PC.

well its a quicky start and hence those results, but at one point had posted 
the errata in page 166 section 6.50 Module-Init-Tools-3.1 where one of the 
optios has been obseleted, namely --strip-path=1 and replace with 
--with-components=1.

That i hope you have noted.

anyway, i will strive to get the LFS going.

ciao










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Re: syslog

2006-01-31 Thread mrdaniel
--- Ricardo Frydman Eureka! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am a non-English speaker too.
 I think that LFS is not for everyone, I hope you understand what I
 mean
 
 You need some basic requirements to get it succesfully working:
 
 + some linux basis

have improved trying with LFS.

thanks for your knid advise and i will strive to reach the X level.

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Re: first successful boot with GRUB floppy

2006-01-31 Thread Subhash Chandra
  hda is my Windows XP, without which, i couldn't have joined this
  mailing list or search for information online.  I chose to completely
  preserve the MBR (and all of my first hard drive) as it is my lifeline
  if something goes wrong.  The next task at hand is to figure out how to
  tweak the windows boot.ini file to default boot my LFS system.  After
  that I can modify any and all linux configuration files to suit my
  tastes.  Once I've accomplished that, it's on to the BLFS book. :-D

Hi Josh,
While grub is best suited for booting, the ntbootloader option can
come in handy. If you use reinstall windows often like I do(I use just
for games), You'll discover windows replaces grub everytime and you
have to use rescue disk to get your lfs back. But by using the
ntloader you can always have linux when you want it.
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Re: spawnig too fast

2006-01-31 Thread Subhash Chandra
@mr.danial

I have an advise for you even if the rest of them decide I'm crazy! As
you seem to be hell bent over LFS, get the livecd and use jhalfs or
nalfs. You don't need much config there and default works fine. Once
you get the system up and running, go for blfs and you'll get some
package compiling and building experiance. After that you can always
go back to building lfs.

As an interesting aside, there are two stanford grads. Please do
support them and their little project. You see, their names are  Larry
Page  Sergey Brin, and the project is called google.

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Re: spawnig too fast

2006-01-31 Thread Chris Staub

Subhash Chandra wrote:

@mr.danial

I have an advise for you even if the rest of them decide I'm crazy! As
you seem to be hell bent over LFS, get the livecd and use jhalfs or
nalfs. You don't need much config there and default works fine. Once
you get the system up and running, go for blfs and you'll get some
package compiling and building experiance. After that you can always
go back to building lfs.


I'm not going to mince words...this is the worst advice you can possibly 
offer an LFS newbie. ALFS is for experienced LFS builders who know what 
they're doing. If you are not able to build an LFS system yourself then 
you won't be able to do anything with the system that ALFS builds. 
Anyone who thinks that ALFS is a substitute for building a system 
yourself should just be using a precompiled Linux distro (which has been 
suggested to mrdaniel numerous times). Use that FIRST, then, after you 
get experience knowing how to use Linux, retry building LFS.



As an interesting aside, there are two stanford grads. Please do
support them and their little project. You see, their names are  Larry
Page  Sergey Brin, and the project is called google.



This IS a good suggestion.
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Re: spawnig too fast

2006-01-31 Thread Subhash Chandra
 I'm not going to mince words...this is the worst advice you can possibly
 offer an LFS newbie.

I accept

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LCFS Build complete!

2006-01-31 Thread John Gay
Well, I don't see a clfs-support list, and I don't feel confident enough to 
comment on the book contents, so I'll crow here instead. Let me know if 
there's a more appropriate place for these discussions.

Just finished my 64-bit build on my Dual Opteron! I followed the pure-64 build 
plan from the 32-bit system that's currently on this box into a spare 
partition. To reduce agro, I skipped over the grub stuff, just copied the 
kernel to my existing /boot directory, updated grub's menu with the new 
kernel and new root and it came up fine.

This is primarily for practice/learning until I've an idea how I want my 
64-bit desktop to run. Then I plan to use this test-bed as host for building 
my main desktop over the partitions that currently hold my 32-bit system.

I am hoping I can skip all the cross-compile stuff, but use the lessons 
learned from CLFS to build the 64-bit system from a 64-bit host.

Thanks again for your exceptional effort and pain-staking work creating these 
great documents to guide us in a deeper understanding of Linux.

Now I'm going to try building X.org and installing nVidia's drivers. Should be 
quite interesting in a pure-64 environment, since I understand they both 
expect 32-bit libs in /lib and 64-bit libs in /lib64.

Cheers,

John Gay
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Re: first successful boot with GRUB floppy

2006-01-31 Thread Josh


--- Georg Schinnerl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 then use the following command to write this bootsector into a file
 dd if=/dev/hdb5 of=/root/boot.lnx bs=512 count=1
 
 copy the file boot.lnx to your windows partition and add a line 
 similar to the following to your boot.ini

that's how i dual-booted XP and Fedora4. i've done that this time as
well, but it's not working.  i won't dwell on it, though, as it's off
topic for this forum.  thank you nonetheless for the advice.


Alan Lord wrote:

If your BIOS allows you to select which disk to boot from (mine offers
a 
menu at boot time if I press F8) you can install grub on hdb without
having to overwrite your windows bootloader which is on hda.

Thanks for -reminding- me about this.  I hadn't thought to try that. 
Doing so allowed the grub loader to work its menu magic.  So yesterday,
I got a glimpse of my linux system booted from a rescue floppy, and
today I got to see a GRUB menu for the first time. :-D

One thing I noticed in doing this, was that my hard drives were swapped
in grub, but not once the LFS Operating System took over.  What I mean
by that is that where LFS's hda was grub's (hd0) and hdb was grub's
(hd1), after I changed the boot priority in my BIOS, hda (the windows
drive) was grub's (hd1) and hdb (linux) was (hd0) according to the grub
rescue floppy disk.  Once I had booted LFS, however, my slave drive was
still hdb and my original master drive was still (by process of
elimination) hda.  I hope I didn't confuse anyone by saying that.

I intend to play around with the rescue floppy to figure out exactly
what menu commands I need to add to get grub to boot both OS's, and I
will probably overwrite the MBR... eventually.  Then I'll be FREE!

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Re: LCFS Build complete!

2006-01-31 Thread Jim Gifford
Thanx John, we really appreciate the comments. The CLFS list is up as 
cross-lfs, still awaiting gmane to sync up with it.


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