Re: adding external disk to linux server
That links to a 322 kb pdf, which depending on your browser will either prompt you to save or just open it remotely, which if it does the remote open (I think that is default on IE), your going to see a polar bear in a snowstorm while it opens the document or your browser may hang entirely. If given the option I always prefer to right click and save the pdf locally to prevent the freeze. Ryan -Original Message- From: Steve Gentry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 9:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: adding external disk to linux server Mark, hello. Per chance, are the links to the Presentations page messed up? The link below won't work for me. When I go to your web page and click on linux/390 presentations I get a blank screen, refreshing that screen, HTML code is displayed. FYI Steve Post, Mark K [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/09/2004 08:41 PM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: adding external disk to linux server Have you looked at this? http:///linuxvm.org/present/SHARE100/S9333NFa.pdf Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of khavari Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 12:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: adding external disk to linux server Hello I want connect an external disk to a Linux Advanced server 2.1 via a fibre channel adapter and fibre optic cable. Is there any person that help me to accomplish that? i am very thankful for your help. Best Regards. Seyed Khavari. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: tar up directory structure but not contents
-Original Message- From: John Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 10:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: tar up directory structure but not contents snip P.S. Laugh all you want. In the Unix environment there are usually 17 different ways to do any particular job... and none of them are wrong. And if you get tired of just 17, do it in Perl and you'll have at least that many more again. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: MySQL 4.0
Maybe they need the outrageously new and cutting edge ability to do a subselect or run stored procedure ;) -Original Message- From: Marcy Cortes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 12:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MySQL 4.0 Thanks Mark. I don't particularly want to be bleeding edge, but someone here says they need some feature in it on their server. Marcy Cortes (415) 243-6343 This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Post, Mark K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 10:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] MySQL 4.0 It is a tar.gz file, but it doesn't contain source. It contains the binaries. Not an RPM, true, but something you could do some testing with, perhaps. If you want a source RPM from which you can build something that will most likely run quite well on SLES8, take a look at this: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/9.1/suse/src/mysql-4.0.18-32.src.rpm Any particular reason you want to be bleeding edge and run a version higher than what SUSE ships on SLES8? Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 12:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MySQL 4.0 I don't see any s390 rpm on that page. Tar files, yes and rpm's for other platforms, but not a s390 .rpm - or am I missing something? Maybe I'll have to go with that. I was hoping to find a .rpm to make life simpler. Marcy Cortes -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cameron, Thomas Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 16:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] MySQL 4.0 -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 5:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MySQL 4.0 Has anyone run this on SuSE 8? Does anyone know where I can find it in .rpm format? http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/mysql/4.0.html Cheers, Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT Assistant Vice President Linux Design and Engineering Bank of America (972) 997-9641 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Domino 6.5 performance a little disappointing on zLinux
Why doesn't IBM sell you a device - call it a Linux co-processor, (really an Intel chip in a box) to attach to the mainframe to offload your java and other high cpu work onto;) Obviously I'm joking, but it just seems to me the phrase different horses for different courses seems to apply in spades here. Mainframes are good for somethings and cheap Intel boxes are good for others. I think Paul Murphy hit it on the head a long time ago when he concluded that you could do Linux on the mainframe, but why, unless you like to spend a lot of money for less performance than you could get by buying a Sun or Intel Linux box for a lot less. Sometimes you need highend horsepower rather than lowend torque. Java and most business workloads designed post year 2000 will tend to eat CPU and ram like candy and that will always favor small cheap fast boxes over large slow expensive ones in all but the most mission critical apps. -Original Message- From: Matt Lashley/SCO [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 11:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Domino 6.5 performance a little disappointing on zLinux Domino's OK for mail on the 390 platform, but it's no gem for applications. If you get a chance, try running the app from the dedicated Windows client against the 390 server and compare results. Some of the performance difference should go away for the things that can be offloaded to the client processor. May not help in your situation, but it tends to point up where Lotus needs to do some work on Domino on platforms where CPU isn't infinite or free. CPU processing speed is looking more and more like an unfortunate liability for those of us who've already proposed zLinux running under IBM's zVM to play a large role in our futures. All we really want is the ability to migrate or 1,500 hourly CICS/Adabas users into a new format for transaction processing. I'm sure we'll give the dedicated Windows client a shot, but only as an exercise since the apps are already widely deployed as browser only dependent web apps. A three to four second response time increase in web apps is a killer to try to explain to our customers... (...but, but you see, we're saving all this money from decreased power consumption and floor space and hardware reliability, and, and...) A couple of us in the mainframe side of the office always chuckle about managers who steer at the helm based on the latest full color glossy ad in this month's IT mag --- that shoe is starting to feel like a pretty good fit for us chucklers. This is not a good thing and it really is too bad, zOS is not going to be around these parts forever, if this zLinux thing doesn't improve, the zMachine may be on its way out as well. I will however keep the faith with zLinux for a while longer. Perhaps someone can fill me in on how grid computing could help to offload CPU intense processes to a processor where cycles aren't as expensive. Or, maybe someone has heard of IBM RD-ing a processor that can be bundled with an IFL that doesn't have all of the cache and redundancy checking of a normal mainframe processor to slow it down. If you can have a network in a box why not a grid in the box with it -- a processor dedicated to a zLinux image that handles CPU intense processes offloaded by other guests where networking issues shouldn't be a huge hurdle with virtual hipersockets... Something that works in a manner similar to that of a crypto processor. If storage resources can be virtualized, the idea of virtualizing processor resources can't be that far behind. Anything would be helpful to those of us who've boarded this ship only to end up feeling like CPU processing speed may be our iceberg. Fifty SAMBA servers? Thirty mail servers? Twenty Apache servers serving mostly static content (for fear that a guy with an 800Mhz Pentium in his basement could embarrass you in the response time arena). What, with the onslaught of racks full of blades that are becoming highly reliable and redundant and easily networked and virtualized (and energy efficient and slim and trim), who will need a z800? - Matt -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Domino 6.5 performance a little disappointing on zLinux
The sad part is that only people/organizations doing their own development are likely to take this much care when coding. You commercial vendors will just allow you to buy more CPU and ram as they need to get their product out the door. -Original Message- From: James Melin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 1:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Domino 6.5 performance a little disappointing on zLinux Hipersockets are an absolute godsend. This of course requires you to have your DB2 data on the same physical z/box as the linux environment. If you're using the 1.3 version of the IBM http server, dump it. Use the 2.0 version instead. The other things that have helped were WebSphere related tunings that I can't speak to here as I am not deeply involved with that, as well as a couple bugs in the JDBC driver we were using that only existed in *ix version. The point that tuning matters. A lot. WAS is a pig. Java is a pig. Don't skimp on memory, but don't give it too much. 2 IFL's seem to be better running multiple threads than one, though we will be testing that with some solid benchmarking soon. The other point is design design design. Cant stress that enough. If your application is horribly architected, you will see the monster you have created on a Z/series environment much more readily than you would on windows. You might scoff at that, but in this very same application, there was a methodology that would push 2 IFL's to 92 AVERAGE load. One RPC call was re-written and the way the application called the RPC was re-written and now the average load for that application is 21% of 2 IFL's. So review your code. All the stuff they taught us 20 and 30 and 40 years ago about tight code, and resource conservation still applies to modern technologies. Just because memory and CPU horsepower are boatloads cheaper than they were 20 years ago, does NOT mean you should just voraciously consume them. You will still eventually hit the wall. IBM internal experts stated to us that a lot of what people assuem are environmental (platform, application server, etc) are actually application problems So to sum up, use all of the strengths of your environment, and tune to minimize the weaknesses. Watch your resources so that you are getting them in the sweet spot. Don't write crap code. Code review your code for best practices. Implement them. Kohrs, Steven [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on To 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc IST.EDU Subject Re: Domino 6.5 performance a little 07/19/2004 12:23 disappointing on zLinux PM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU On Mon, 2004-07-19 at 12:06, James Melin wrote: using z/linux and WebSphere in a tuned environment using all of the available performance tweaks of that environment. This is repeatable. Care to share those tweaks? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: J2EE performance?
My opinion is the same as yours. I tend to like efficient programs rather than language du jour for the sake of being fashionable. I've got a lot of friends that are all on the latest bandwagons and can't believe anyone would use a mainframe or the mini computers anymore. I keep telling them to watch out one day I'm going to be a CIO and when I am if they work for me they are going to be in an environment that favors rock solid reliability on the fewest number of machines feasable to do the job. I don't like scale out, resource hogging programs, etc. As far as I'm concerned the sector of computing that encompasses day to day computing of business systems (think ERP type apps) was perfected with the advent of mainframes and mini's running COBOL or RPG. Application servers and what not have only added more failure points and cost to the equation. In business computing there is very little new under the sun. Ryan -Original Message- From: Kris Van Hees [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: J2EE performance? Current development tends to follow the following sequence: - Rapid software development - Lesser quality code, with less efficient use of resources - Higher resource demands - Higher minimum requirements for the application Past development tended to create applications that would primarily work within the contraints of the systems people had, because requiring more would usually cause the application not to be purchased at all. Now that the games industry along with one of the primary OS companies have been pushing the limits ever forward (to the great satisfaction of the PC component manufacturers who can discontinue parts at a never before seen rate - conspiracy theory buffs can go look for cross-industry deals and market manipulation - not my cup of tea), no application developer has to worry about limits anymore. Just put on the box that you need 3.0GHz CPU, 1GB RAM, 40GB HD and a DVD burner (as minimum reqs) and a large part of the targetted user base will go out and upgrade their machine to run the application (assuming they want it). Does it make sense? No. Does it keep a very large industry segment alive? Most definitely! Is it any good? Not in my opinion, but YMMV. Kris On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 09:10:02AM -0500, David Booher wrote: I may be old school, but there's no substitute for well written programs that are both efficient in CPU and storage and the same goes for the software platform they run on. I even get discouraged at home when you have to buy new hardware to support the bloating of the OS it runs on. What are you achieving? New functionality? Better programs? More stability? Some of the new software I've bought to run on my PC is re-written old stuff with more advertisement and fancy programmatic gizmos. It's neither more efficient nor better performing, even on new hardware. The new school must have deep pockets. ;) My opinions only, folks! Dave -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Barton Robinson Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 8:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: J2EE performance? The old school that thinks 80 mips is a lot is used to really well written programs, written in assembler to be efficient in both CPU and storage. The new school that uses Java and C++ has different objectives. An 80 MIP processor is about a 300MHz pentium. This is based on Barton's Number of 4, where 1 mip is about 4 Mhz of Intel running equivalent code. Not a really impressive machine, unless it is running many workloads at a very high utilization with lots of I/O 7 x 24 I've heard the new java compilers are much much better, suited more for meeting mainframe objectives. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Never underestimate a Mage with: - the Intelligence to cast Magic Missile, - the Constitution to survive the first hit, and - the Dexterity to run fast enough to avoid being hit a second time. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Administrivial
Plus, it's very un-unix like to give the user any sort of clue what to do;) -Original Message- From: Post, Mark K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 12:20 AM Subject: Re: Administrivial Harry, That's cool. I just hope you don't think this will help anyone actually unsubscribe. :P I subscribe to a number of mailing lists that have the unsubscribe instructions at the bottom of every email, and people still don't seem to be able to figure it out. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of A. Harry Williams Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 5:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Administrivial I received a complaint about the list being SPAM because of not knowing how to get off the list. In that order to better meet those needs, I have added a bottom banner with information about the list, which will be added to the bottom of each post. You will notice it at the bottom of this posting. /ahw -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: RPM question
It becomes a quick decent into dependancy hell. The easiest in my view is to either play the rpm game and let your vendor do all the heavy lifting. Update a package when they do, etc. The other option is compile everything from source and handle everything yourself. -Original Message- From: Aria Bamdad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RPM question So then if you do want to install a package using RPM that would need another package that was installed manually, you would have to use the --nodeps option to force the install? For example, I had to install MySQL using the source. To do this, I had to uninstall the older RPM installed version and other apps that used it because they were dependent on it. Now, I have to re-install those 'other apps' that depend on MySQL but RPM doesn't know about the new MySQL install. On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:37:48 -0600 Ryan Ware said: I don't believe you can. RPM only manages RPM's. -Original Message- From: Aria Bamdad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RPM question Hi, If I install a package using the configure/make method, how do I tell RPM that the package is installed so that it will know about it? Thanks.
Re: Novell has sent a new letter to SCO
To which SCO will say, you're not the boss of me It ain't over. -Original Message- From: James Melin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 8:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Novell has sent a new letter to SCO Basically telling them to knock it off in a very clear manner, and formally invoking their right to tell SCO what to do with SVRX Unix licences. The last three paragraphs say it all - here's our point of authority, here's what you are going to do, and here's when you will do it by. http://www.novell.com/licensing/indemnity/pdf/2_6_04_n-sco.pdf also http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/dailyarchives.asp?Art icleID=47851
Re: Virus alerts from Homeland Security
Ok so then everyday when a new Windows virus comes out we get mailed and told to go to Microsoft's update site. I think this service would be way to noisy. It's telling me to update my virus definitions and patch my system everyday. Course on the brighter side, consumers may get the idea that a Windows machine is not the most maintenance free computer they could have bought. -Original Message- From: Lionel Dyck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 8:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Virus alerts from Homeland Security This looked interesting so I thought I'd pass it along: Aiming to increase Internet security, the government is now offering Americans free cyber alerts and computer advice from the Homeland Security Department. Anyone who signs up with the new National Cyber Alert System will receive e-mails about major virus outbreaks and other Internet attacks as they occur, along with detailed instructions to help computer users protect themselves. The program, which begins Wednesday, represents an ambitious effort by the government to develop a trusted warning system that can help home users and technology experts. The url is http://www.us-cert.gov/ Lionel B. Dyck, Systems Software Lead Kaiser Permanente Information Technology 25 N. Via Monte Ave Walnut Creek, Ca 94598 Phone: (925) 926-5332 (tie line 8/473-5332) E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sametime: (use Lotus Notes address) AIM:lbdyck
Re: Windows? Blue Screen?
I don't know what OS the rover uses, but are you implying that Linux tolerates bad ram any better? -Original Message- From: Ranga Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 7:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Windows? Blue Screen? News: Spirit's Troubled Memory First Mars rover went into cycle of reboots after memory failure.
Re: Latest Email worm has SCO-facing payload
We're stopping about 2 per minute now. I guess the web is being slowed down due to the bandwidth suckage. If the rate I'm seeing them at is an indicator of the number of machines, I'd say SCO will go dark again. -Original Message- From: Peter Webb, Toronto Transit Commission [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Latest Email worm has SCO-facing payload http://www.theregister.com/content/56/35127.html __ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or delegate is strictly prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The integrity and security of this message cannot be guaranteed on the Internet. The Sender accepts no liability for the content of this e-mail, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The sender accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. This disclaimer is the property of the TTC and must not be altered or circumvented in any manner.
Re: PLEASE don't discuss McD/coffee! Was: Re: SCO sues Novell
Yes. No need to discuss when we can participate in one of our regularly scheduled holy wars such as best text editor, language, etc. -Original Message- From: Henry Schaffer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 1:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PLEASE don't discuss McD/coffee! Was: Re: SCO sues Novell And it's McDonald's fault she's stupid enough ... I've seen this same topic discussed in many mailing lists and news.groups. It almost always just pits two camps against each other: 1)Those who feel that the plaintif shouldn't be compensated for stupidity 2)Those who feel that the plaintif should be compensated for corporate carelessness, indifference and wrongdoing. This doesn't yield anything whatsoever of value - and the two sides just flail away. I suggest (beg/plead/...) that this be dropped on this list! --henry schaffer
Re: SCO sues Novell
-Original Message- From: Chris Cox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 10:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SCO sues Novell Dave Jones wrote: SCO sues Novell over Unix rights It's kind of interesting... I think that SCO does have more rights than what Novell has been saying recently. This I gathered reading each ones Edgar stored filings. However, SCO's suit filing still looks to be written by an angry 4 year old. If I were a judge, I throw it out just because of that. SCO must have the stupidest lawyers in the world. No, they have some of the best and some of the richest. I too think that SCO may have an ace yet.
Re: Firewalls?
-Original Message- From: Nick Laflamme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 3:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Firewalls? Post, Mark K wrote: I would also echo Adam's sentiment about keeping the number of point-to-point links per guest small. It becomes a management nightmare more than anything. From your question, I'm assuming you're not up to z/VM 4.3 then? Heck, no, we just went to z/VM 4.4. However, and promise not to giggle if you're going to read the rest of this, our network security folks don't want GuestA talking to GuestB directly if they can help it; they'd sleep better at night if they could sniff each packet and be sure nothing hinky is going on. I'd love to use a Hypersockets LAN, but that wouldn't allow that. (Never mind that two AIX systems on the same subnet talk directly without being vetted by the firewall; this is Linux, and the network security folks are convinced that's less secure than our existing platforms.) Sigh, Nick Maybe the network security folks are correct http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13420
Re: MS url
-Original Message- From: Ceruti, Gerard G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LINUX-390] MS url =20 Hi People =20 Is anyone aware of rebuttals to the doco on http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/facts/default.asp ? =20 =20 Regards =20 Gerard Ceruti Slashdot? Just kidding. There are not any formal rebuttal's that I've seen yet. For now you can certainly point out that these studies are funded by Microsoft so they can't be viewed as independant results. OTOH, these kinds of things look impressive to the management types.
Re: Anyone Nagios? (GPL discussion)
-Original Message- From: Chris Cox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone Nagios? (GPL discussion) snip RMS speaks of the need for localized customizations (non distributed) work on GPL software. The idea is that programmers should get paid for making local customizations. Doesn't necessarily address the SW shop though... where the SW is the source of revenue. But of course, community SW isn't produced by a company.. but by a community. For me this seems to mean then that if you are going to write some software and GPL it, then there is no financial incentive to RD or even for the initial development. You wan't to be doing you customizations on things that exist, not sinking time and money into a project initially in the hopes that the world will find it useful and pay you to customize it. This doesn't seem like it would lead to much new software being developed. I mean new in the sense of different or areas where there is not a lot of software today. It doesn't seem to foster a healthy pipeline of new software and it does seem a lot of sourceforge is just old Unix programs redux. GPL does seem to work though for some. I think you need to look at what you are trying to accomplish and think hard about the best license to do that. snip Good post Chris
Re: Anyone Nagios? (GPL discussion)
although to make a living I have to work with it. That speaks volumes. -Original Message- From: Ranga Nathan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1/5/04 8:48 PM Subject: Re: Anyone Nagios? (GPL discussion) Wrong. GPL protects the developers more than open source. Open Source allows commercial exploitation by allowing it to co-exist with proprietary and closed software. I have come to distrust anything that is 'closed', although to make a living I have to work with it. Jay Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/05/2004 06:32 PM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: Anyone Nagios? (GPL discussion) On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 06:29:19PM -0800, Ranga Nathan wrote: I agree. Where woudl be all the software without GPL? Let us picture this: If as a developer I want to develop a software that I think will be of wide-spread use and provide me a livelihood, I could pitch it on sourceforge.net and invite others to join in and contribute. I can then offer the software to customers and offer customization or support. The other developers can do the same. I get to receive authorship, can possibly write a book (royalties), support money, some lecture tours and some fame. Much of this can translate into a decent revenue stream. When I am bored, I can pitch another project. If I want to quit supporting, I can do so in the comfort that there are others who will pick up the ball and run. Everyone goes home happy. There is absolutely nothing in this scenario that requires the software be licensed under the GPL. Any Open Source Definition-compliant license will serve.
Re: Anyone Nagios? (GPL discussion)
That's what is nice about the BSD for commercial development. Yes you can use it in your closed product enhance it if you want and not contribute a damn thing back. Here's the key, so can ANYONE else. It's standing on the shoulders of giants so to speak, whereas the GPL is staning on the shoulders of giants and accepting that someone is allowed to stand on your shoulders whether or not you like it. -Original Message- From: Jay Maynard To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1/5/04 8:55 PM Subject: Re: Anyone Nagios? (GPL discussion) On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 06:48:24PM -0800, Ranga Nathan wrote: Wrong. GPL protects the developers more than open source. Open Source allows commercial exploitation by allowing it to co-exist with proprietary and closed software. This is too broad a brush. Not all non-GNU-free licenses allow this, and some that are GNU-free (the FSF considers the BSD license free, for example) do. Further, even if someone picks up a piece of BSD-licensed software and incorporates it into their commercial progeam, that does not change the status of the original BSD-licensed code one whit. It is and will always remain freely available and modifiable under the original license. Any OSD-compliant license protects the developers. If they do not wish to have their code used commercially, that is their choice, and there are many other licenses besides the GPL that accomplish that goal - but, in so doing, saying that their code is free as the FSF does is a bald-faced lie, for it is not free for all to use and modify as they wish.
Re: Apocalypse Now....
I think it's like I heard the other day. Just mention the special LINUX promotional code, and save thousands on your next Microsoft purchase I think you will see more governments and large companies playing the Linux card. Not because they really plan to use Linux, but because Microsoft has shown an unusual willingness to price slash to keep your business. -Original Message- From: John Ford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Apocalypse Now - Original Message - From: David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:22 AM Subject: Apocalypse Now Microsoft suspended as vendor by Israel JERUSALEM - The Israeli government has suspended acquisitions of computer +software from Microsoft, citing price issues and the company's refusal to sell +individual programs from its standard software package. http://www.iht.com/articles/123353.htm Even if you only have one reason for a decision, it's good to have another one just in case anyone asks... The move with Microsoft was a purely economic decision, the Finance Ministry spokeswoman said. ... The spokeswoman said encouraging the development of open-source technology had also played a role in its decision. I don't know why I'm being so picky this morning... especially when it's about a country moving from MS to open-source. -jcf
Re: At last some real achiever being recognized by the monarch
-Original Message- From: Doug Fuerst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 3:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: At last some real achiever being recognized by the monarch Everyone know that Al Gore invented the Internet. When is he being knighted, and do they have a spot in the UK for him to live? Well, if he visited France, he could always stay with Alec Baldwin ;)
Re: At last some real achiever being recognized by the monarch
-Original Message- From: Jay Maynard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 4:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: At last some real achiever being recognized by the monarch On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 04:54:12PM -0500, David Boyes wrote: Perhaps Richard Stallman and Linus Torvalds next? Let us hope that some real achievers are knighted! Torvalds, certainly, but not Stallman. Stallman's knight helmet should be made out of tinfoil.
Re: OSS unready for the desktop: IBM
Conflicting reports amongst itself? Today, they will tell us it IS ready for the desktop. http://news.com.com/2100-7344_3-5104650.html?tag=nefd_top -Original Message- From: John Summerfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 2:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OSS unready for the desktop: IBM http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/33867.html -- Cheers John. Join the Linux Support by Small Businesses list at http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb Copyright John Summerfield. Reproduction prohibited.
Re: Perpetuating Myths about the zSeries
Yes, I just ran accross this a couple of weeks back. Here be the link http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/doom/ -Original Message- From: James Melin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 8:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Perpetuating Myths about the zSeries Wasnt there somone who twiddle 'doom' so that the 'monsters' were processes and used it to manage the system? I vaguely recall hearing about that. |-+ | | Hall, Ken (IDS | | | ECCS) | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | Sent by: Linux on| | | 390 Port | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | IST.EDU | | || | || | | 11/06/2003 07:16 | | | AM | | | Please respond to| | | Linux on 390 Port| | || |-+ - -| | | | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: | | Subject: Re: Perpetuating Myths about the zSeries | - -| A number of years ago I worked on a project that involved donating computers and software to police departments, so we had a lot of press coverage. The computer was an old mini that was one of the first ones without a front panel. Just a plain beige metal box with a couple of big clunky disk drives attached. No tape drives. We did backups disk-to-disk. The TV crews were beside themselves that there was nothing interesting to show. One crew came into our office early in the process, and ended up filming a couple of pieces that had nothing to do with the project, but had blinking lights and spinning tapes. For a while we considered replacing the plain metal panels on the mini with smoked plexiglass in chrome frames to show the diagnostic lights inside, but nobody would go for the idea. I think IBM is aware of this to a degree. The new CMOS boxes are a lot cooler looking than, say, a 4381, but maybe something like a lava-lamp SAD display on an LCD display on the front would be nice? Actually, there's an X app that displays Linux system activity as Lava-lamp like blobs, so this wouldn't be that hard to do. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Edwin Handschuh Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Perpetuating Myths about the zSeries Adam: I like where you're going with this idea... People's perception of a computer are completely out of line with reality. I know this is a bit off track, but it does remind me of the movie War Games. I distinctly remember a chubby guy (computer geek) sticking his head in a 3420 tape drive (vacuum door opened) and saying I've checked the computer and I can't find the bug anywhere. Well, maybe if you got your head out of the tape drive and logged on to the machine you might stand a chance! Clearly someone in Hollywood thought the 3420 looked more like a computer than the actual machine (not that the WOPR really looked like one either). Come to think of it, didn't the WOPR have a lot of blinking lights and possibly bubble tubes? ETH PS: Chubby did have a pocket protector with pencils/pens in it... clearly another stereotype of us computer geeks! ---SNIP--- front; all *real* high-powered computers have glowing bubble columns.
Re: SCO Attacks Open Source License
Happy 4th of July. -Original Message- From: Doug Fuerst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 2:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SCO Attacks Open Source License Easy Phil. We all have to respect the others laws. The bottom line is, most of us don't think it violates the Constitution. Since the Constitution of the US is based on English Common Law, let's not get too carried away with who gives an anything's anything about it. I care about UK law. I care about everybody's law. This is just SCO being stupid. Doug At 08:40 PM 11/3/2003 +0100, you wrote: The GPL violates the U.S. Constitution, together with copyright, antitrust and export control laws, states SCO in documents filed with the U.S. District Court for Utah. Some of us don't give a hair from a rat's behind about the US Constitution. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.com +44 7785 302 803 Doug Fuerst Consultant BK Associates Brooklyn, NY (718) 921-2620 (Office) (718) 921-0952 (Fax) (917) 572-7364 (Cell) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Connectix--now MS--Virtual PC drops guest OS support
-Original Message- From: Adam Thornton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Connectix--now MS--Virtual PC drops guest OS support Everyone noticed that MS dropped support for Linux, BSD, Netware, and Solaris from the new beta of what used to be the Connectix product, right? http://www.msfn.org/comments.php?id=5516catid=1 Adam Not sure about that. I would think they would want you to be able to host those other OS's on a Windows box. I have heard that this is Microsoft's answer to migrating NT machines. You basically point at an NT server and suck up the OS and programs on that server and they run on your new server in a virtual space. The other thing is that with VMWare if you had a problem you had to try to replicate it on the metal - Microsoft would no support virtual OS installations. They will support same on their own products.
Re: Notes server finally available on Linux for 390!
-Original Message- From: Jim Sibley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Notes server finally available on Linux for 390! The current Notes client is very tied into the MS APIs. Porting it to any other platform would be extremely difficult, and given the marketshare of Linux on desktops, not justifiable. iNotes works just fine (except you have to be network connected I believe). Also, the Notes 6.0 and 6.5 clients will not (yet) run under WINE so that path is out for us. That's a really curious statement, Jim. IBM, one of the biggest user of Notes Clients on PC's, one of the biggest advocates of Linux and the owner of Notes can't justify the work so that they can get rid of microsoft inhouse and save itself the microsoft license fees? And, by the by, make Linux more attractive to PC clients? You'd think we'd be a bit more agressive internally. = Jim Sibley Implementor of Linux on zSeries in the beautiful Silicon Valley Sun eats their own dogfood as far as desktops for the company, however, it is in no way a giant success outside of Sun. I think IBM's thinking is that if we do this will anyone else want it. Current trends don't show that they do want it.
Re: Notes server finally available on Linux for 390!
-Original Message- From: Henry Schaffer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Notes server finally available on Linux for 390! Ryan Ware writes: -- From: Jim Sibley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... That's a really curious statement, Jim. IBM, one of the biggest user of Notes Clients on PC's, one of the biggest advocates of Linux and the owner of Notes can't justify the work so that they can get rid of microsoft inhouse and save itself the microsoft license fees? And, by the by, make Linux more attractive to PC clients? You'd think we'd be a bit more agressive internally. ... Sun eats their own dogfood as far as desktops for the company, I've heard that they are going to Macs for portables. I had not heard that, but it could very well be true. To hear Scott McNealy talk about their portable smart card enabled desktops, they sound great from a business standpoint. I actually think Sun has the right idea wrt what a business desktop should be. The current problem for most companies is that at best their desktops are a managed environment of home user type pc's, at worst and unmanaged environment of home user type pc's. I wish there was a business type of pc that was more function oriented and less, let's see what color we can make the background and what my mouse pointer looks like pc. Much thinner clients would be better, something more task oriented.
Re: [IP] more on the SCO-IBM lawsuit (from an unlikely source)
This article speaks about that article and the topic of indemnification http://www.technewsworld.com/perl/story/31702.html -Original Message- From: David Boyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 10:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: [IP] more on the SCO-IBM lawsuit (from an unlikely source) This is a *excellent* capsule summary of the whole SCO case, written by (of all things) a lawyer with a clue about technology. Minimum legalese, and very clear, very lucid analysis of the issues. Worth printing out and leaving on the bosses' desk. -- db David Boyes Sine Nomine Associates From a colleague: In case you missed part of this fall's fun, the calmest site discussing the SCO affair is http://www.groklaw.com/. But you knew that. Today they have a link to the new IBM counterclaim document. http://www.sco.com/ibmlawsuit/ibmamendedcounterclaims.pdf Yup, on SCO's site no less. Now the point here is to read what IBM said, of course, but also read for synopsis written especially clearly. The guys who wrote this at IBM know how to carry info across to busy folks and did so in easy English. I must say, those guys have paid attention and have done their homework. It's a good read, to use the vernacular. I have no idea why SCO put up the document. But then we don't know a lot of things. This will keep you away from the incoherent noise level of slashdot and similar.
Re: Any new SuSE vs RedHat arguments?
Actually I think this from the OP answeres the question SuSE arguments typically revolve around: first on s/390, work more closely with s/390 community, and GA SuSE at more current patch-levels than RH (particularly where s/390 or VM is concerned). It sounds like Suse is the better choice for s/390. If that is more critical to you than the rest or your Linux use (intel servers, etc) go with the vendor that has the best offering, which it sounds like Suse does. On intel, the differences among the major distributions don't amount to much, but when you are on a very specialized platform like a mainframe go with the vendor that is doing the work. It seems Linux on s/390 is a work in progress so the vendor that is driving that progress is the one to choose. I also think you are right to standardize on one distribution of Linux, why add complexity if you don't have to. -Original Message- From: John Cassidy [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 7:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Any new SuSE vs RedHat arguments? Hello, From my experience with a customer in Luxembourg, Suse were quite prompt in answering E-Mail requests / queries etc. Another (not unimportant) point - Nuernberg is not very far from Stuttgart which is not very far from IBM Regards, John D. Cassidy Dipl.-Ing (Informatique) S390 zSeries Systems engineering Schleswigstr. 7 D-51065 Cologne EU Tel: +49 (0) 221 61 60 777 . GSM: +49 (0) 177 799 58 56 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] HTTP : www.jdcassidy.net -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Jarboe Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 2:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Any new SuSE vs RedHat arguments? Management here is getting serious about a support contract for linux on the mainframe, and asked me to poll reasons why people/organizations may have chosen one distro over the other on s/390 (specifically RedHat vs SuSE). In the archives most of the arguments in favor of redhat revolve around: free download, familiarity with the environment, management pressure to keep linux to 1 distro in house. SuSE arguments typically revolve around: first on s/390, work more closely with s/390 community, and GA SuSE at more current patch-levels than RH (particularly where s/390 or VM is concerned). Are there other considerations people have discovered, or any of the above I mentioned that seem off-base? Thanks for any input, ~ Daniel -- - This message is the property of Time Inc. or its affiliates. It may be legally privileged and/or confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). No addressee should forward, print, copy, or otherwise reproduce this message in any manner that would allow it to be viewed by any individual not originally listed as a recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying or the taking of any action in reliance on the information herein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this message. Thank you.
Re: chown problems
Everybody wang chown tonight ;) -Original Message- From: Michael MacIsaac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 2:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: chown problems Operation not permitted Only root can chown. -Mike MacIsaac, IBM mikemac at us.ibm.com (845) 433-7061
Re: New Paper on Web Site - Migrating Windows Servers to Samba
Link? -Original Message- From: Post, Mark K [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New Paper on Web Site - Migrating Windows Servers to Samba Mike MacIsaac of IBM has generously contributed a new paper that he spent quite a bit of time on, AND went through all the necessary hoops to get it officially published by IBM. The title of the paper is Migrating Windows Servers to Samba, and in keeping with Mike's background writing Redbooks, provides a very nice and detailed coverage of the topic. Thanks _very much_ to Mike for this contribution to the community and the web site. Mark Post
Re: New Paper on Web Site - Migrating Windows Servers to Samba
Thanks. -Original Message- From: Post, Mark K [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Paper on Web Site - Migrating Windows Servers to Samba Same as always. I thought perhaps people were getting tired of hearing it. http://linuxvm.org/present/ Mark Post -Original Message- From: Ryan Ware [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Paper on Web Site - Migrating Windows Servers to Samba Link? -Original Message- From: Post, Mark K [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New Paper on Web Site - Migrating Windows Servers to Samba Mike MacIsaac of IBM has generously contributed a new paper that he spent quite a bit of time on, AND went through all the necessary hoops to get it officially published by IBM. The title of the paper is Migrating Windows Servers to Samba, and in keeping with Mike's background writing Redbooks, provides a very nice and detailed coverage of the topic. Thanks _very much_ to Mike for this contribution to the community and the web site. Mark Post
Re: FW: [IP] China blocks foreign software
Alas thunderstorms do not purposely target women and children, mobile home parks maybe. -Original Message- From: Wolfe, Gordon W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FW: [IP] China blocks foreign software Actually, in the United States, you are more likely to be killed by being struck by lightning than by a terrorist act. Let's pass some legislation banning thunderstorms! Great Minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people. - Admiral Hyman Rickover Gordon Wolfe, Ph.D. (425)865-5940 VM Enterprise Servers, The Boeing Company -- From: Ryan Ware Reply To: Linux on 390 Port Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 3:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FW: [IP] China blocks foreign software And vehicles kill more people than guns. Terrorism, so far as I know, is not accidental, though. -Original Message- From: John Summerfield To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 8/19/03 4:44 PM Subject: Re: FW: [IP] China blocks foreign software On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Ryan Ware wrote: Although I believe it is far better to put foot to ass with terrorism than hugs and understanding their viewpoint. More Americans die at American's hands than at terrorists'. Start with your road toll. -- Cheers John. Join the Linux Support by Small Businesses list at http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb Copyright John Summerfield. Reproduction prohibited.
Re: FW: [IP] China blocks foreign software
Well, it is true, that we don't actually know every thing windows does because we can't see the code. Not trying to start any conspiracy theories, but you get my point. -Original Message- From: David Boyes [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FW: [IP] China blocks foreign software No value judgement implied -- just reporting the occurrence. It's significant that the most populous country on Earth is specifying open-source solutions, though. Bad break for the MS Asia CEO. Also, the spyware issue is particularly interesting -- having encountered several situations now where some of our overseas clients have located additions to deliveries that certainly were not specified at the manufacturer and could only have been added post-customs by a governmental power. Curious, and a bit on the chilling side -- America isn't supposed to be a police state, and this kind of behavior smacks of such. -- db David Boyes Sine Nomine Associates -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard Troth Bad example, Dr. Dave. Linux does not need protectionism like other things do.
Re: FW: [IP] China blocks foreign software
Although I believe it is far better to put foot to ass with terrorism than hugs and understanding their viewpoint. -Original Message- From: Adam Thornton [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FW: [IP] China blocks foreign software On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 10:33, David Boyes wrote: America isn't supposed to be a police state, The current administration appears to disagree with you. Adam
Re: Microsoft beats the blaster
Microsoft has used Akamai for eons for downloads of all sorts. I find it amusing that people think that Microsoft would have an issue with using a linux server for something. I guess this http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.linuxworldexpo.com is amusing also. -Original Message- From: John Summerfield [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Microsoft beats the blaster This is too good to pass up;-) http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/56/32378.html -- Cheers John. Join the Linux Support by Small Businesses list at http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb Copyright John Summerfield. Reproduction prohibited.
Re: Microsoft beats the blaster
Which was? I realize the whole blaster thing is egg on Microsoft's secure computing initiative face, and that Windows itself is a playground for kiddies. -Original Message- From: John Summerfield [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Microsoft beats the blaster On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Ryan Ware wrote: Microsoft has used Akamai for eons for downloads of all sorts. I find it amusing that people think that Microsoft would have an issue with using a linux server for something. I guess this http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.linuxworldexpo.com is amusing also. Perhaps you missed a key point. -- Cheers John. Join the Linux Support by Small Businesses list at http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb Copyright John Summerfield. Reproduction prohibited.
Re: Microsoft beats the blaster
They didn't switch to Linux to avoid fixing their servers. The change was to escape the worm ddos that was coming. Would it be different if Akamai used Windows servers? That the service provider runs Linux rather than Windows is akin to getting a Honda instead of a Toyota from the car rental people. -Original Message- From: Daniel Casey [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Microsoft beats the blaster Which was...In order for Microsoft to protect themselves from the Worm, they switched to Linux rather than using/fixing their Windows servers. At least that's what I gathered from the article. Ryan Ware [EMAIL PROTECTED] ic.comTo Sent by: Linux on [EMAIL PROTECTED] 390 Port cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU Subject Re: Microsoft beats the blaster 08/18/2003 08:49 AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU Which was? I realize the whole blaster thing is egg on Microsoft's secure computing initiative face, and that Windows itself is a playground for kiddies. -Original Message- From: John Summerfield [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Microsoft beats the blaster On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Ryan Ware wrote: Microsoft has used Akamai for eons for downloads of all sorts. I find it amusing that people think that Microsoft would have an issue with using a linux server for something. I guess this http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.linuxworldexpo.com is amusing also. Perhaps you missed a key point. -- Cheers John. Join the Linux Support by Small Businesses list at http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb Copyright John Summerfield. Reproduction prohibited.
Re: Microsoft beats the blaster
I tend to think in this case Akamai were the people for the job, it was irrelevant to Microsoft what they used to do it. To Akamai, it was a strategic decision to use Linux in their business. Both decisions were pragmattic. -Original Message- From: Daniel Casey [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Microsoft beats the blaster Actually, I would say it's akin to a person who works for Toyota driving a Honda... But seriously, do you think MS would have switched to a company whose servers were running Windows? Or is it just a coinsidence that Akamai uses Linux?
Re: Microsoft beats the blaster
That document shows that for some things windows is definitely not a ready fit. Internet infrastructure is definitely one of those things. If Microsoft is truly switched over, I've heard the database backend is still on Solaris - which I would believe, they probably are running a hybrid version of windows recompiled to do just what they need rather than the stock version sold to the unknowing. -Original Message- From: John Summerfield [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Microsoft beats the blaster On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Post, Mark K wrote: Then you would have gathered wrong. They didn't switch servers rather than fixing their own software. They were undergoing a Distributed Denial of Service attack, not an infection of their own systems. They did switch to a content hosting service with much, much more bandwidth than they themselves possess. If people are going to bash Microsoft, they should do it for the right reasons, and this aspect of the current infestation isn't one of them. The infestation itself is reason enough. I find it amusing that Microsoft is using Linux, albeit vicariously. This document is worth a read to, though it takes a little longer. http://www.securityoffice.net/mssecrets/hotmail.html It's three years old now though. -- Cheers John. Join the Linux Support by Small Businesses list at http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb Copyright John Summerfield. Reproduction prohibited.
Re: Nothing to do with SCO (was: SCO Wins Again)
Yes and no. From what I've read Canopy's strategy filters down to all their holdings. -Original Message- From: David Andrews [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 11:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nothing to do with SCO (was: SCO Wins Again) On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 12:00, Jim Rich wrote: http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/tech/software/10107725.html This was a $40M dispute between Computer Associates and Center 7. Canopy Group and Center 7 filed suit against CA in 2001, before Darl McBride ever arrived. Canopy owns 40% of SCO, and shares several executives with them -- but this is the ONLY connection SCO has with this purported win. I love SCO bashing as much as anyone... but move along, folks. Nothing to see here. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Very Serious Virus Alert
I'm desperately searching for a patch for my Amiga. -Original Message- From: paultz [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 2:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: A Very Serious Virus Alert Naturally, this only effects Windows operating systems! Linux and MAC are not effected. Whew! You had me worried there for a bit I thought this had to do with an OS I actually use ;-) Paul
Re: where root can login from
Edit the sshd config file. Usually it is /etc/ssh/sshd_config The line that says allow root login change from yes to no. -Original Message- From: Marcy Cortes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 1:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: where root can login from On SLES 8, /etc/securetty contains ttyS0 but root is still allowed to login (via ssh port 22) (telnet server has been removed). We would like to disable root from being able to login anywhere but the console. su'ing to root is ok, but security doesn't want root to be able to logon. How do I do this in SLES 8. I accomplished it somehow in SLES 7, but can't seem to figure it out in 8. Thanks in advance! Marcy Cortes Wells Fargo Service Co
Re: where root can login from
Did you stop and start the ssh server after changing the config file? -Original Message- From: Marcy Cortes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 2:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: where root can login from Edit the sshd config file. Usually it is /etc/ssh/sshd_config The line that says allow root login change from yes to no. I take that back - that doesn't work - it doesn't let me su - I need to be able to do that. Marcy Cortes Wells Fargo Service Co
Re: Silly Friday question.
Didn't Elwood pick up Jake at Joliet? It's 106 miles to Chicago We've got a half a tank of gas A full pack of cigarrettes It's dark and we're wearing sunglasses Hit it! -Original Message- From: McKown, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Silly Friday question. Is there any significance to the fact that the ISO9660 extensions for Linux/UNIX is called Rock Ridge (the name of the town in Mel Brooke's Blazing Saddles) whereas the extensions for Windows is Joliet (the name of a major prison in Illinois)? -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Applications Solutions Team +1.817.255.3225 This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its' content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited.
Re: Background on SCO
I think the person has next to no grasp of computer technology and probably meant crackers even though that is wrong too. -Original Message- From: Richards.Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Background on SCO Would you rather be chewies ? grin Bob Richards Technologist Enterprise Infrastructure SunTrust Banks, Inc. (404) 575-2798 -Original Message- From: Joe Poole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Background on SCO These guys in Utah are no dummies. The crunchies in the Linux community should be paying more attention. We're crunchies now? Hmmm. I wonder where that came from. * The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer.
Re: SCO ups the ante (this is getting interesting)
I don't think IBM is going to dump AIX for a long time. Linux can't scale vertically as well as any of the commercial Unices. Eventually it probably will, but it will take years before you'll be able to buy a 64 bit version of Redhat loaded on a 64 processor system. -Original Message- From: Phil Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SCO ups the ante (this is getting interesting) It occurs to me that I may have been wrong when I speculated that SCO wants to be bought by IBM. I am starting to think that SCO just wants IBM to support AIX (and pay more royalties). It sounds a lot like IBM is planning to drop AIX, which would hurt SCO. IBM has described its UNIX license as fully paid up - sounds like a lump sum deal. What they would REALLY like are license revenues from IBM's Linux operations. Of course, IBM doesn't actually _distribute_ Linux itself. The comments made by and about Linus Torvalds regarding the difficulty of ensuring that contributed code is free of IP restrictions highlight this. I wonder if this explains why IBM stayed out of the distribution business? -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.com +44 7785 302 803
Re: SCO ups the ante (this is getting interesting)
-Original Message- From: Rod Furey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SCO ups the ante (this is getting interesting) will, but it will take years before you'll be able to buy a 64 bit version of Redhat loaded on a 64 processor system. AMD64 version: SuSE Mandrake now, Red Hat real soon now. Rod (just read the article in Linux Format) How many processors do they support?
Re: Suse YOU updates
As the larger Linux vendors grow they may look into Akamai for ditributing downloads similar to what Microsoft does. But you are correct in that when something popular hits they tend to go dark. -Original Message- From: Rich Smrcina [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Suse YOU updates I would expect any web or ftp based code download feature to be overloaded for the first few days of a new code release or some hot new function. There has been a fair amount of traffic here about trouble downloading stuff from the RedHat site as well. It is not just SuSE. I suggest patience, it will work. On Tuesday 17 June 2003 09:23 am, you wrote: Is this normal? I try to update my Suse images via the online update feature of YaST. It just times out trying to connect. OK, so I go to the website, and in this case, there is a new Service Pack 2 available (6/16). When I try to ftp it, I'm getting it at a rate of 5k per second (estimated time left 35 hr 20 min). So I assume that the reason why the online update is failing is due to everyone downloading the new service pack. Ok, I can understand that. However, my concern is more of a production nature. What if my Linux system crashes or has security problems when some update becomes available that everyone wants, and now I can't apply needed fixes to the production system? I was hoping that this is more of a trivial concern, but of the last 4 times I tried to use YOU, 3 times, I have failed due to timeouts. (Each of the 4 attempts aren't just a single attempt, but an efford over, either the morning or afternoon, to get the maintenance.) So Suses online maintenance service seems to be very much overloaded. They then become a weak point in our production systems. Anyone else have comments or the same concerns? Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting -- Rich Smrcina Sr. Systems Engineer Sytek Services, A Division of DSG Milwaukee, WI rsmrcina at wi.rr.com rsmrcina at dsgroup.com Catch the WAVV! Stay for Requirements and the Free for All! Update your S/390 skills in 4 days for a very reasonable price. WAVV 2004 in Chattanooga, TN April 30-May 4, 2004 For details see http://www.wavv.org
Re: ftpd documentation
-Original Message- From: Tom Duerbusch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ftpd documentation Which ftpd are you using? ProFTP? Something else What? There is more than one? I should have known that I have too many options and flavors G. This is *nix:) There are many of everything. After talking a look, I have the default vsftpd running. And, yep, configuring the file that I didn't know I had vsftpd.conf did the trick. Thanks Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting Are you using vsftpd? If so there is a config file /etc/vsftpd. By default only anonymous FTP is enabled. You probably want to uncomment two lines: # Uncomment this to allow local users to log in. local_enable=YES # # Uncomment this to enable any form of FTP write command. write_enable=YES -Mike MacIsaac, IBM mikemac at us.ibm.com (845) 433-7061 Tom Duerbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED]@VM.MARIST.EDU on 06/04/2003 01:56:38 PM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by:Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: [LINUX-390] ftpd documentation I did create some users. When I try to enter a username when prompted by the CMS FTP client, I get: USER (identify yourself to the host): tom USER tom 530 This FTP server is anonymous only. Command: Where things seemed to be turned on, by default with Linux 7, they seem to be turned off by default with Linux 8. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting What sort of error message do you get if you try to use something other than anonymous? Did you create users on the Linux system? I have SLES7 installed and the ftp daemon works just fine. Both from a CMS id and from my Windows desktop. But I must use the id that is set up on Linux. Not my CMS or Windows id.
Re: Unsupportable FUD
-Original Message- From: Fargusson.Alan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Unsupportable FUD While SCO did not put anything about GPL or OSS in the suit, they have = been making comments that Linux, and perhaps GNU software, has SCO IP in = it. I am hoping that they do implicate GPL during the trial so that = this issue can be resolved in a more definitive way. I think the worst possible outcome for OSS and GPL software would be if = IBM bought out SCO. I am not so sure that a company with big pockets would want to risk this = kind of suit. A loss could cost them big. Since SCO has few assets = they don't have much risk. This may be why one large company seems to = be funneling money in the back door of SCO. SCO risks everything. They had low standing among Linux users already, now they have no favor at all. There are much better commercial Unixes than they have. If they don't win this they are pretty much done. WHO would be their customer?
Re: Linux and Viruses
A lot of companies, mine included strip attachments at the mail gateway, that way new viruses will not get through, assuming you've blocked that type off attachment. This helps prevent the -our vendor doesn't have definitions for that yet or their ftp server is unreachable. -Original Message- From: Alan Cox [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 6:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux and Viruses On Gwe, 2003-04-04 at 02:17, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: And besides: a virus scanner is a lousy solution to the problem. Have you noticed that you have to keep it up-to-date to make it efficient? Why not keep your system patched instead? (this can be automated just as well. Easily). There is a more fundamental reason why a virus scanner is only an aid not a solution. Its possible to write a virus which spreads faster than the virus updates can, brings down the networks it uses (so you can't update) and destroys all your hardware. Trickier I suspect on S/390 but rather easy on PC systems. Just think about a version of slammer that also erased your bios and your disk firmware... Alan
Re: Linux and Viruses
We don't block all attachments, only those that are viruses 99% of the time, .vbs .js .exe .pif .scr, etc. As far as word, it is a necessary evil in the corporate world. The gateway gets the bulk of all the nasties, the mail then goes to the virus scanner before ending up in anyones mail box. Theoretically we are still vulnerable to a new macro virus in office documents, but I think we've reduced the risk as much as we can. -Original Message- From: John Summerfield [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 7:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux and Viruses On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Ryan Ware wrote: A lot of companies, mine included strip attachments at the mail gateway, that way new viruses will not get through, assuming you've blocked that type That's a bit excessive. Using attachments is perfectly legitimate, and with procedures like that how can someone conveniently send you a PDF? Selectively mutilating or deleting attachments is another matter altogether. Eliminating Word documents is a good and proper thing to do. -- Cheers John. Join the Linux Support by Small Businesses list at http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb
Re: Ellison: StarOffice almost usable
He is right, if there were an office suite that ran like Office on windows available on Linux, it would be a no-brainer to switch. -Original Message- From: Phil Payne [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 2:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ellison: StarOffice almost usable http://www.internetwk.com/breakingNews/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=8600048 -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.com +44 7785 302 803 +49 173 6242039
Re: ASP?
-Original Message- From: Gustavson, John (IDS ECCS) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 2:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP? Instant ASP converts the ASP's to JSP's. The server runs as a jvm. there are also some commercial products. That can't be kind to resources.
Re: What is the best way to limit Linux Telnet access to /localho st o nly
Since we all know telnet is horrible in this day and age, why isn't it dropped entirely? Is there any function it can do that SSH cannot? Every time someone brings up Telnet, they are smacked down by everyone telling them find another way. Shouldn't we just end the debate and get rid of it? -Original Message- From: Alan Cox [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 10:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What is the best way to limit Linux Telnet access to /localho st o nly On Thu, 2003-03-20 at 21:15, Kharnas, Simon wrote: Hello, Mark. I am trying to limit the telnet logon from the outside world. I thought that DENY and ALLOW files can limit that access, so that the outside (i.e. Internet users) would not be able to logon to the server on a regular basis. I still would like to allow the local users to access the host via telnet. I would recommend using firewall rules rather than DENY/ALLOW as they are stronger protections. I'd recommend exterminating telnet entirely but providing you have total trust in anyone on your local lans, no wireless links and so on then its obviously easier to relax and not use encryption.
Re: What is the best way to limit Linux Telnet access to /localho st o nly
You don't install Putty, it is a single .exe. Copy it anywhere to your HD. You can run it off a floppy if you want. I don't think the reason we still have telnet is because windows doesn't include an ssh client. -Original Message- From: Fargusson.Alan [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 10:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What is the best way to limit Linux Telnet access to /localho st o nly Probably because many windows users don't have the option of installing an SSH client on their own workstation due to the policy of the employer. It isn't always feasible to make other departments install an SSH client to access your system. It would be nice if Microsoft would distribute an SSH client with windows like it does telnet, but then they would probably break it like they did telnet. -Original Message- From: Ryan Ware [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 7:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What is the best way to limit Linux Telnet access to /localho st o nly Since we all know telnet is horrible in this day and age, why isn't it dropped entirely? Is there any function it can do that SSH cannot? Every time someone brings up Telnet, they are smacked down by everyone telling them find another way. Shouldn't we just end the debate and get rid of it? -Original Message- From: Alan Cox [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 10:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What is the best way to limit Linux Telnet access to /localho st o nly On Thu, 2003-03-20 at 21:15, Kharnas, Simon wrote: Hello, Mark. I am trying to limit the telnet logon from the outside world. I thought that DENY and ALLOW files can limit that access, so that the outside (i.e. Internet users) would not be able to logon to the server on a regular basis. I still would like to allow the local users to access the host via telnet. I would recommend using firewall rules rather than DENY/ALLOW as they are stronger protections. I'd recommend exterminating telnet entirely but providing you have total trust in anyone on your local lans, no wireless links and so on then its obviously easier to relax and not use encryption.
Re: OT: recipie macros now available for download
This is no less significant than IBM keeping score for the US Open tennis tournament :) -Original Message- From: John Summerfield [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 3:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: recipie macros now available for download On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, David Boyes wrote: Since I got about 50 requests for the recipie macros, I've put them up for download at http://www.sinenomine.net/fun. The package is a single tar file with the macros, some scripts to process the recipies into nicely formatted pages and/or print full books with indexes, and the original 100 or so recipies that make up volume 1 of the Usenet Cookbook. Prereqs are a working nroff/troff installation and some knowledge of how scripting works. (BTW, if you plan to use these on Linux, check your distribution for a2ps and ps2pdf. These two utilities are very useful for producing printed output from these macros. ) I'll be adding additional recipies to this area later. Enjoy. At last!! The promise we could use our computers to track our recipes is realised! -- Cheers John. Join the Linux Support by Small Businesses list at http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb
Re: logon
Can you switch shells? Or logon as a different user that has a different shell than bash. Does either of those make a difference? -Original Message- From: Noll, Ralph [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 3:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: logon login as: root Sent username root [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: Last login: Thu Mar 20 09:39:14 2003 from it-rn.littlerock.state.ar.us -bash: dircolors: command not found zvmlinx3:~ # anyone ever seen the above can't logon to my linux Ralph Noll Systems Programmer City of Little Rock Phone (501) 371-4884 Fax (501) 371-4712 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] \\\|/// \\\ ~ ~ /// ( @ @ ) ===oOOo=(_)=oOOo===
Re: ISPF for Linux + Other Question
-Original Message- From: Eric Bielefeld [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 9:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ISPF for Linux + Other Question Wow, I sure got lots of replies to this. There seems to be a lot of controversy over what the best editor is for Linux. Truer words were never spoken, it usaully turns into a holy war
Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...
Basically there are a bunch of things that make up TCO. In a mainframe solution the hardware makes up more of the costs, people, network infrastructure, etc make up less. In a PC server solution it is reversed. TCO is a very hard thing to define. I think the mainframe has the deck stacked against it from the standpoint of a lot of people only looking at the price of the hardware and thinking they can get by with a PC server. I think you really have to do your homework to convince people the mainframe is the better solution. -Original Message- From: Alan Altmark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 10:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question... I think that we, and IBM, have taken to resting on our laurels, and we all refuse to notice that these cheap, unreliable toys are catching up to the curve. Most of our excuses work today still, but in another year or two, I'm not so sure. And I'm finding it hard right now to stand in front of a group and tell them that they're better off serving web pages on a million dollar server, when those same pages can be served by a $299 machine. It takes a whole lot of virtual Linux images to reach the TOC of a $299 machine. If you are allowing $299 to be the discussion point, the, yes, your laurels have been smashed flat, indeed! ;-) $299 is NOT the total cost of ownership (TCO) of the machine. Utilities, people, network infrastructure, real estate, etc. all are part of TOC, too. (Watch those people costs, btw) Focusing on the technology will lead you down the proverbial garden path. Focus on the *business*. When you look at total I/T spending as part of your business, assuming you know where them money goes (big assumption!), then it becomes more obvious when mainframes should at least be considered. The technology is just a way to affect the TCO. But as long a the conversation is limited to *acquisition price* instead of *cost of ownership*, then no meaningful discussion of the role of mainframes can be had. Alan Altmark Sr. Software Engineer IBM z/VM Development
Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...
Although, I must add Windows is improving. Our payroll app runs on Win2k and has an uptime of just over 100 days. Much better than we ever achieved when the same app ran on windows NT. It is still short of our Unix performance, and from what I am reading far short of Mainframe reliability. Guess I've got a case of Mainframe envy;) I mainly lurk here to learn about mainframes and linux. I was on a local LUG list, but it was too often going down the path of flames and tastes great less filling type exchanges. -Original Message- From: Steven A. Adams [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question... On Mon, 2003-02-17 at 00:08, John Summerfield wrote: Convert your favorite CICS app to the Windows world, connect 25000 concurrent user sessions and watch the clock - then come back and tell us how long the Intel box(ES) stayed alive under that realistic load. It boils down to this, at the end of the day the mainframe is still running when the Intel units have had to be rebooted multiple time. This goes without stating that the number of Intel machines it would take to Linux is Linux. Don't confuse Windows' reliability with the reliability of IA32-based boxes. They can be built to be very reliable indeed, and even the cheapest PC clones today are much more reliable than mainframes of years gone by. The mention of Windows in this reply was only used as a fair example since this is still the predominant OS installed on Intel gear, this mention was not offered as a comparison between OSes - no confusion here, sorry if I confused you.
Re: IBM stops Linux Itanium effort
AMD may steal some of Intels play because their 64 bit chip will also be backwards compatible. Everyone associates Intel with cheap commodity processing. Itanium does not fit that bill. They will need to do some marketing to inform corporate America why they should spend more money on a processor. I do like Intel's approach of brand new, not backward compatible. Backwards compatible is another phrase for compromise. -Original Message- From: David Boyes [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 8:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IBM stops Linux Itanium effort The article is negative about the iTanium, but my colleagues in high performance computing tell me that this is a *very* capable cpu which is going head to head with the Power4. I think Intel has stumbled: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/61/28894.html I think I'd have to agree with Phil on that. The customer uptake on the Itanium is much slower than it should be, and the constant stream of performance improvements in SMP IA32 configurations has diluted the story for Itanium for most mainstream apps. Releasing a 2+Ghz IA32 probably postponed a lot of people investing in an IA64 machine -- releasing the faster IA32 chip was a good short-term consumer move, but probably not very smart for the long term future. POWER4 is clearly better positioned at present. This is arguable. For the small class of problem where 64-bit system like an Itanium is really the only option, IA64 does well, although the PowerPC does about equally well (modulo operating system availability, which is getting better with improvements in the Linux for PowerPC work). I don't think it's a clear dominance for either -- Itanium is definitely playing catchup to the Power4 for performance, but there is a goodly cost differential to the P4 vs the usual suspects for Intel systems. Cost vs utility: the old story returns. It's kind of interesting that Intel appears to be roughly in the same place as DEC was with the 2nd generation VAX systems: go n-way SMP with the existing technology, or try to promote a superior -- but incompatible -- new architecture. It'll be interesting to see how Intel plays that choice in the absence of a OS marketplace to drive it one way or another. -- db
Re: IBM stops Linux Itanium effort
Oh, I agree with you. I just meant from a sheer engineering standpoint not being backward compatible usually leads to a better new product. -Original Message- From: Alan Altmark [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 8:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IBM stops Linux Itanium effort On Thursday, 02/13/2003 at 08:37 CST, Ryan Ware [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do like Intel's approach of brand new, not backward compatible. Backwards compatible is another phrase for compromise. The phenomenal success of S/360, S/370, S/370-XA, S/370-ESA, S/390, zSeries has been attributed directly to the architected ability of each new generation to run the programs written for the preceding generations. Protection of customer investement is a powerful marketing tool. Alan Altmark Sr. Software Engineer IBM z/VM Development
Re: IBM stops Linux Itanium effort
You are probably right. I was just getting at it (Itanium) being cleaner. HP has to back Itanium, they've abandoned other chips. IBM is in the enviable position of being big enough to make chips, buy chips, etc. And yes overtime as new things age they get crufty and cluttered, but usually the backwards compatible one will be even more cluttered. Anyhow, it will be an interesting next few years in the 64 bit computing space. My guess is Linux will have to keep getting an infusion from IBM and HP to develop on 64 bit as most Linux developers aren't commonly going to have access to 64 bit kit, which is also probably why Sun steped away and reupped it's Unix play willing to let IBM and HP foot the bill of getting it to scale up. -Original Message- From: Fargusson.Alan [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 11:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IBM stops Linux Itanium effort That depends on what you mean by better. Leaving out backwards compatibility makes for a cleaner design at first, but then the new design becomes the legacy over time, and the clean design becomes yet another cluttered design. My opinion is that Intel is going to have a hard time getting everyone converted to Itanium. I suspect that the AMD 64 bit chips will have a much easier time attracting vendors once it is actually available. -Original Message- From: Ryan Ware [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 7:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IBM stops Linux Itanium effort Oh, I agree with you. I just meant from a sheer engineering standpoint not being backward compatible usually leads to a better new product. -Original Message- From: Alan Altmark [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 8:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IBM stops Linux Itanium effort On Thursday, 02/13/2003 at 08:37 CST, Ryan Ware [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do like Intel's approach of brand new, not backward compatible. Backwards compatible is another phrase for compromise. The phenomenal success of S/360, S/370, S/370-XA, S/370-ESA, S/390, zSeries has been attributed directly to the architected ability of each new generation to run the programs written for the preceding generations. Protection of customer investement is a powerful marketing tool. Alan Altmark Sr. Software Engineer IBM z/VM Development
Re: raid question
Raid 1+0 is faster than raid 5 if your have a lot of writes to the database. I would guess IBM probably has a Redbook on some of this somewhere for DB2. -Original Message- From: McKown, John [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: raid question David et al., I don't know if it applies to Linux, but I vaguely remember a RAID 1+0 where the data is both striped and mirrored. Is this superior to RAID 5? Also, for the very paranoid, I would guess that one could use a RAID 5+0 where the data is striped w/parity like RAID 5, then each RAID 5 volume is mirrored. This would seem very excessive, but very safe. -Original Message- From: David Boyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 1:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: raid question I was told that if you lose one volume of a raid set you can replace and the data will get rebuilt, but if you lose a second volume before you get the first one rebuilt you will lose all the data -- irretrievably! Is this true? Yes, for RAID 5. While the parity information *is* distributed, it's a one-dimensional distribution. When that second drive goes and the rebuild isn't yet complete, you're SOL. In RAID 0 (striping only), lose one and you're screwed. For RAID 1 (mirroring), they're mirrored pairs, so if you lose one and then another one, the data is gone and there's nothing to recover from. Is there any reasonable way to get around it? Y-cabled parallel drive arrays like they use in telcom switches and nuclear explosion instrumentation, but the price tag is astronomical, so probably not in the reasonable class. 160G of that equipment is well over $750K. Is there a reasonable alternative to raid? AFAIK, no, not unless you happen to be the Sultan of Brunei and have a immense quantity of unused cash available with nothing better to do with it (and if you do, I'll be happy to give some of it a warm home...). - db
Re: Multiple posts Yep
Yup and I'm getting blank ones from [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ken Dreger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Multiple posts Yep Yes, I am also seeing this... Ken At 12:38 PM 2/6/2003 -0800, you wrote: Is anyone else on this list having the problem of getting multiple copies of posts? I'm getting at least two copies of every post, sometimes as many as six or eight. I've gotten at least six of this particular post. It only happens with posts from this list (I subscribe to three lists) It doesn't happen with non-list posts, either company internal or external e-mails. I've gotten almost 200 e-mails today, about half duplicates of posts to this list. Anyone else seeing this? They say there are three signs of stress in your life. You eat too much junk food, you drive too fast and you veg out in front of the TV. Who are they kidding? That sounds like a perfect day to me! Gordon Wolfe, Ph.D. (425)865-5940 VM Linux Servers and Storage, The Boeing Company -- From: Phil Payne Reply To: Linux on 390 Port Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2003 12:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Power of Open Source - Microsoft Warns SEC of Open-Source Threat The most oft-cited reason given by larger companies with 2,000+ employees for not installing Linux is that the proprietary nature of the software their companies depends upon precludes them from open-source development. I don't understand the foregoing. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.com +44 7785 302 803 +49 173 6242039 Kenneth G. Dreger Un-employed and seeking position as Sr. IBM Systems Programmer Consultant in OS390, z/OS Systems, Linux 390 systems, Web page consulting, High Tech Investigations Home pages: http://ken.dreger.com Our Santa site: www.acornartists.com The PI site: www.laprivateeye.com The CAPI site: http://californiaprivateinvestigators.org My RedHat system for Linux (s390) downloads http://kendreger.homeftp.net Contracting services available at reasonable rates Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: InfoWorld Article - Lead Windows developer bugged by security
MVS B1 SUPPORT: Selected MVS/ESA products, collectively called a trusted computing base (TCB), were evaluated by the United States Department of Defense's National Computer Security Center (NCSC), found to meet the criteria for a B1 level of trusted system, and Microsoft has only achieved a C2. And I agree with you I don't understand why people think it is the popularity of a system that makes it vulnerable, its the code. IPC 2002
Re: Apache 2.0.40 s390 binary install on SuSE 2.4.7
It looks like it installed succesfully sans noticing that libaprutil.so.0 is missing. Either libaprutil.so.0 is missing or there is a link to it missing. I would take a spin out to Apache.org and look through faq's. -Original Message- From: Ken Vance [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Apache 2.0.40 s390 binary install on SuSE 2.4.7 Hi, I have downloaded the binary s390 Apache 2.0.40 distribution to our SuSE system. It is a SuSE Linux 7.2 (S390) - Kernel 2.4.7-SuSE-SMP. I used the tar command to expand the file, and then I issued the install command. The install process indicates that it was successful, but if I look at the httpd.conf file, it is empty. If I issue the start for Apache, I get errors. I checked the error directory, but there were no logs there. I also looked back in the archives for this list, but I did not notice anything on this particular topic. Am I missing a step? Thanks, Ken Vance Amadeus linuxs07:/usr/local/httpd-2.0.40 # /usr/local/httpd-2.0.40/install-bindist.sh Installing binary distribution for platform s390-ibm-linux into directory /usr/local/apache2 ... [Preserving existing envvars settings.] [Preserving existing configuration files.] [Preserving existing htdocs directory.] [Preserving existing error documents directory.] Ready. ++ | You now have successfully installed the Apache 2.0.40 | | HTTP server. To verify that Apache actually works | | correctly you should first check the (initially| | created or preserved) configuration files: | || | /usr/local/apache2/conf/httpd.conf || | You should then be able to immediately fire up | | Apache the first time by running: | || | /usr/local/apache2/bin/apachectl start || | Thanks for using Apache. The Apache Group| |http://www.apache.org/ | ++ linuxs07:/usr/local/httpd-2.0.40 # linuxs07:/usr/local/httpd-2.0.40 # /usr/local/apache2/bin/apachectl start /usr/local/apache2/bin/httpd: error while loading shared libraries: libaprutil.so.0: cannot load shared object file: No such file or directory IPC 2002
