[LUTE] Re: Things to play in quarantine
Very informative, thank you > On Mar 24, 2020, at 11:41 AM, Bill Eisele wrote: > > Unfortunately, the problem you're describing is caused by latency over the > internet. So, teleconferencing apps like FaceTime, Zoom, and Skype won't > allow you to play with other musicians. It will definitely sound like > cacophony as you described. Here's a good article describing the problem: > https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/online-band-practices-possible/. > > There are some workarounds for this in the form of certain apps and devices. > The problem is that if the app or device is intended to minimize latency and > the further you are away from the other musicians and the slower your > connection speeds, the more latency you will experience. But it may be worth > a try in these difficult times to connect with others to play duets and > beyond. Here are the apps listed in the article above: > > https://www.jamkazam.com (a separate desktop device is recommended) > > https://www.cockos.com/ninjam/ (this app doesn't appear to deal directly with > latency) > > http://llcon.sourceforge.net (this app appears to upload individual musician > tracks, mixes them and then downloads the mixed result as a single track to > each collaborator) > > https://www.facebook.com/eJamming-368668856036/ (their website doesn't seem > to be active) > > I have only had limited experience with JamKazam without the recommended > device trying to play duets with a friend in our town and I quickly gave up > on it. My internet speed is relatively slow so without the device I was > probably hindered in my ability to use the app. It would be a good idea to > search on the internet to see how successful these apps are before spending > much time with any one of them. > > Hope this helps, > > Bill Eisele To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Double Top
John wrote: > >Interesting article, but I would take issue with many of his points, as >did many of the 58 people that responded to the blog. > I totally agree with you, his reaction is extreme. As someone who makes electric instruments, I have no issue with loudness, none at all. And I think this technique might have an excellent application in the context of acoustic bass guitars, which are hard to make loud enough. As for lutes: they lost to guitars, back in the day, due to changing aesthetics and a move to larger venues. They tried to adapt (the theorbo) but, despite all their advantages in sound quality, they were just too soft (or too cumbersome). The guitar, especially after Torres, won, and the apotheosis of the lute remains in the first half of the 17th century. There is this funny thing many folk, guitarist and lutenist alike, have about loud. They want it, they need it, and they don't want to amplify for some reason. A can of worms but, in my opinion, you can get a better sound from subtle and accurate micing than you can from a stiffer soundboard. It doesn't have an aesthetic purity though, and that will be a catch for many. However, for me, technology is technology whether you bury in a very thin laminate or in a microphone. On the flipside, a beautiful instrument made by a master builder is a thing of beauty. I am envious of both your old Velazquez and your new Cooper, but I will have to make do with my own (unfinished) Staufferish thingy, and my Travis Carey 13c swan-neck... All the best .. m. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Double Top
That is a serious concern. Repairability of the top is something that is probably very limited, although the rest of the construction and bracing is fairly conventional. My luthier gave me a 10 year written warranty, although with me being nearly 71 and corona virus all around, the big question is will I have sufficient longevity. A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. Classical Guitarist/Lutenist On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:43 PM, [1]theoj89...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu wrote: My concern with a double top is longevity: How will that top hold up 50, 100, 150 years from now? Any structure built up from layers glued together, and subject to vibration, will presumably come apart, eventually. What will look like in a double top? Loose Braces, detached bridges are usually relatively easy to repair on a solid top guitar, but will structural failure on a double top destroy the instrument? How do these epoxies hold up over time? Do they become more brittle? Maybe I've had too many instruments in need of significant repair, but I am concerned about how these double tops will fare with decades of use. -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth .edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=DwIBAg=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n 1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=-yO hA50WK65NW3xBMgXuMiHTVsdYObz1K0em5_69r9E=-o3eIq8lcHOWVWfPilfhFX-n7q4z ucgiu3hUG00o7lk= -- References 1. mailto:theoj89...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 2. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=DwIBAg=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=-yOhA50WK65NW3xBMgXuMiHTVsdYObz1K0em5_69r9E=-o3eIq8lcHOWVWfPilfhFX-n7q4zucgiu3hUG00o7lk=
[LUTE] Re: Double Top
My concern with a double top is longevity: How will that top hold up 50, 100, 150 years from now? Any structure built up from layers glued together, and subject to vibration, will presumably come apart, eventually. What will look like in a double top? Loose Braces, detached bridges are usually relatively easy to repair on a solid top guitar, but will structural failure on a double top destroy the instrument? How do these epoxies hold up over time? Do they become more brittle? Maybe I've had too many instruments in need of significant repair, but I am concerned about how these double tops will fare with decades of use. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Double Top
If I could have gotten a Matthias Damman for 15,000 euros, I would get two. From what I have seen, they go for something like $35,000 US, and there is a 10 year wait list for a new one. I bought a Jeremy Cooper ([1]http://cooperguitars.com/index.html) had only a 1.5 year wait and paid just a third of what a Damman or Smallman would cost, plus I got a magnificent instrument. A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. Classical Guitarist/Lutenist On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:18 AM, Tristan von Neumann <[2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: For that money, I'd buy a Lute consort... I don't see any advantage... On 25.03.20 11:40, Jurgen Frenz wrote: I read about the process to make such an instrument - from memory the two slices are glued together under vacuum, to me it sounds like quite a costly process. The guitars made by the inventor of this technology Matthias Dammann cost 15 000 ⬠a pop. Jürgne âââââââ Original Message âââââââ On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:04 AM, Mark Probert <[3]probe...@gmail.com> wrote: John wrote: Question is, has this been tried on a lute? Are there any luthiers interested in trying? Interesting technology. As applied to a lute? Not so sure. I suspect someone will but most won't as there is not really any advantage and much disadvantage (the lamination process for starters, workin with nomex or similar, etc.). The problem this construction "fixes" is loudness. While there may be occassions when a lute is too soft, making up for it with an overly stiff soundboard would, I suspect, take away much of what makes a lute sound the way it does. Consider the following article for more [4]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.guitarsa lon.com_blog_-3Fp-3D1467=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2 jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=_swV1K8n UohakUi8vzvNcQte1kr4tZz5zh2_HI-c7Mw=v3Jq1lfqaKmC9hX0EaIJ08uxUtpBQP gdMK6pChrGkhw= Kind regards .. mark. To get on or off this list see list information at [5]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmo uth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp 9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt 90E=_swV1K8nUohakUi8vzvNcQte1kr4tZz5zh2_HI-c7Mw=6to1Dj_ncz0pc4AW VMIlgOEPfXaZVa42NRsUgu7S09s= References 1. http://cooperguitars.com/index.html 2. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 3. mailto:probe...@gmail.com 4. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.guitarsalon.com_blog_-3Fp-3D1467=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=_swV1K8nUohakUi8vzvNcQte1kr4tZz5zh2_HI-c7Mw=v3Jq1lfqaKmC9hX0EaIJ08uxUtpBQPgdMK6pChrGkhw= 5. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=_swV1K8nUohakUi8vzvNcQte1kr4tZz5zh2_HI-c7Mw=6to1Dj_ncz0pc4AWVMIlgOEPfXaZVa42NRsUgu7S09s=
[LUTE] Re: Double Top
The first time I heard Jason Vieaux on a Gernot Wagner, was in a church. I had never heard of Gernot Wagner at the time, and did not know any of the details of the construction. I thought the incredible sound, response and sustain was because of the church. I was wrong. It was the guitar. A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. Classical Guitarist/Lutenist On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:00 PM, Edward Martin <[1]edvihuel...@gmail.com> wrote: Two years ago, classic guitar virtuoso Jason Vieaux visited my city and had an incredible concert and master class. Jason is a Grammy winning artist. His guitar had a double top, and it was perhaps the loudest guitar I have ever heard. I played a small passage on it (he offered) and it is incredible, robust, a great instrument. I wonder if such aesthetics would emote the truly sweet, beautiful sound of our concept of how a good lite should sound. Ed Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2020, at 6:21 PM, John Mardinly <[2]john.mardi...@asu.edu> wrote:  I have heard the terminology âcomposite top' and 'sandwich top' in addition to âdouble top', and they all refer to similar construction, although the earliest âdouble top' guitars used a layer of a hexagonal synthetic material called Nomex in between the two paper thin layers on wood. A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. Classical Guitarist/Lutenist On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Joachim Lüdtke <[1][3]jo.lued...@t-online.de> wrote: Dear David, dear list, I was a bit puzzled at first because I know the term double top, but only pointing to instruments like e.g. Marcard guitars with a second, 'interior' soundboard. What you describe is what I think is usually called a sandwiched soundboard. Is my terminology too limited or do I use it too strictly? A few weeks ago, before the darn Corona guy rode into town, there were guitar days here in the Hochschule für Kunst und Musik in Bremen, and there were young builders showing their recently finished guitars, and one of the guitar teachers of the Hochschule playing a few measures on each of them. Most sounded excellent, and I am ashamed to say that I couldn't make much difference between the majority of the sounds, neither did I ask for prices ⦠Best from the Hanseatics Joachim -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top Datum: 2020-03-25T17:44:36+0100 Von: "David Smith" <[2][4]d...@dolcesfogato.com> An: "Tristan von Neumann" <[3][5]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>, "[4][6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[5][7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> That cost is what a master builder charges for classical guitars - 10k-20k is pretty normal. The cost of doing a double top is really not that high. The materials are not expensive and vacuum is used for a lot of other things in the shop. I use it for attaching bridges and holding instruments while French polishing. The Dammann price is based on his reputation and not on it being a double top. You should be able to find good quality double tops starting around 3-4k. As to using it on a lute, you have to like the sound of it because it is clearly not historical. I, personally, do not like the sound of double tops that much. They sacrifice character for volume, imho. But, if you are trying to fill a concert hall without a microphone then there are already a lot of sacrifices being made and the double top is just one more. For a more intimate setting I think it is overkill. The bracing from Trevor Gore (Falcate system - [6][8]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__goreguit ars.com .au_main_page-5Finnovation-5Fsummary-5Ffalcate-5Fbracing.html=DwI FaQ& c=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1f tlvx MmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=ftBiwVy6my8Jghtq9GSLqxpeyK73pixj5LSQEZHAiYQ& s=hl 0F5qUAGqTuToEdzrjzuTjZ3Rl4kFVBRh16ZCVLBts= ) is more interesting. It makes for a very even sound throughout the instrument and provides more volume as well. Would I use it on a lute. Not likely. Anyway, some random thoughts. David -Original Message- From: [7][9]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu <[8][10]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> On Behalf Of Tristan von Neumann Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:18 AM To: [9][11]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double Top For that money, I'd buy a Lute consort... I don't see any advantage... On 25.03.20 11:40, Jurgen Frenz wrote: I read about the process to make such an instrument - from memory the two slices are
[LUTE] Re: Double Top
Mark; Interesting article, but I would take issue with many of his points, as did many of the 58 people that responded to the blog. He got a headache and bellyache from listening to a guitar in a concert hall? I think that borders on hysterics. To say that Segovia would not approve belies the fact that Segovia constantly longed for a louder guitar, hence the development of the Ramirez 1A. So loud, I got complaints from my neighbors when I had one, but to difficult to play for someone without Segovia's monstrous hands. Best to have an older Hauser? Yes, but they are in short supply. Stenzel laments that demand for guitars like his are not like the demand for double tops, but seriously, most of the top guitarists in the world today play double top guitars from Gernot Wagner, Matthias Dahmann, Antonius Muller, Garrett Lee and Greg Smallman, which really isn't a double top, but has similar performance. These makers command prices up $40,000 with a 10 year waiting list due to high demand, because players want those guitars, even if Stenzel believes they should not want them! Stenzel claims that double tops don't have sustain? Mine does, and most of the ones I have heard do. I will admit that the tone is less âwarm' than my 54 year old Manuel Velazquez, a Hauser copy, but my new guitar, made by an up and coming master craftsman, Jeremy Cooper, using spruce, not cedar, had only a 1.5 year wait and a price just a fraction of a Smallman, and it is a very lively, responsive instrument that I am thrilled with. A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. Classical Guitarist/Lutenist On Mar 24, 2020, at 6:04 PM, Mark Probert <[1]probe...@gmail.com> wrote: John wrote: Question is, has this been tried on a lute? Are there any luthiers interested in trying? Interesting technology. As applied to a lute? Not so sure. I suspect someone will but most won't as there is not really any advantage and much disadvantage (the lamination process for starters, workin with nomex or similar, etc.). The problem this construction "fixes" is loudness. While there may be occassions when a lute is too soft, making up for it with an overly stiff soundboard would, I suspect, take away much of what makes a lute sound the way it does. Consider the following article for more [2]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.guitarsalo n.com_blog_-3Fp-3D1467=DwICAg=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuK y6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=VO17TMFd5AE45xeT L5CpHHfeYKx4wE0Oyg1ymaOAVwg=Fqp32HQ4e5x4deCkMBtUOHeu7QHo5OJHmZGGzwvvN BM= Kind regards .. mark. To get on or off this list see list information at [3]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth .edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=DwICAg=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n 1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=VO1 7TMFd5AE45xeTL5CpHHfeYKx4wE0Oyg1ymaOAVwg=w7_xDF9LDLHk93wBMFCtTGvsS7cf 6-zPr_I-yG8zSvE= References 1. mailto:probe...@gmail.com 2. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.guitarsalon.com_blog_-3Fp-3D1467=DwICAg=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=VO17TMFd5AE45xeTL5CpHHfeYKx4wE0Oyg1ymaOAVwg=Fqp32HQ4e5x4deCkMBtUOHeu7QHo5OJHmZGGzwvvNBM= 3. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=DwICAg=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=VO17TMFd5AE45xeTL5CpHHfeYKx4wE0Oyg1ymaOAVwg=w7_xDF9LDLHk93wBMFCtTGvsS7cf6-zPr_I-yG8zSvE=
[LUTE] Re: Double Top
Two years ago, classic guitar virtuoso Jason Vieaux visited my city and had an incredible concert and master class. Jason is a Grammy winning artist. His guitar had a double top, and it was perhaps the loudest guitar I have ever heard. I played a small passage on it (he offered) and it is incredible, robust, a great instrument. I wonder if such aesthetics would emote the truly sweet, beautiful sound of our concept of how a good lite should sound. Ed Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 25, 2020, at 6:21 PM, John Mardinly wrote: > > I have heard the terminology ‘composite top' and 'sandwich top' in > addition to ‘double top', and they all refer to similar construction, > although the earliest ‘double top' guitars used a layer of a hexagonal > synthetic material called Nomex in between the two paper thin layers on > wood. > > A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. > Classical Guitarist/Lutenist > > On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Joachim Lüdtke <[1]jo.lued...@t-online.de> > wrote: > > Dear David, dear list, > I was a bit puzzled at first because I know the term double top, but > only pointing to instruments like e.g. Marcard guitars with a second, > 'interior' soundboard. What you describe is what I think is usually > called a sandwiched soundboard. Is my terminology too limited or do I > use it too strictly? > A few weeks ago, before the darn Corona guy rode into town, there were > guitar days here in the Hochschule für Kunst und Musik in Bremen, and > there were young builders showing their recently finished guitars, and > one of the guitar teachers of the Hochschule playing a few measures on > each of them. Most sounded excellent, and I am ashamed to say that I > couldn't make much difference between the majority of the sounds, > neither did I ask for prices … > Best from the Hanseatics > Joachim > -Original-Nachricht- > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top > Datum: 2020-03-25T17:44:36+0100 > Von: "David Smith" <[2]d...@dolcesfogato.com> > An: "Tristan von Neumann" <[3]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>, > "[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > That cost is what a master builder charges for classical guitars - > 10k-20k is pretty normal. The cost of doing a double top is really not > that high. The materials are not expensive and vacuum is used for a lot > of other things in the shop. I use it for attaching bridges and holding > instruments while French polishing. The Dammann price is based on his > reputation and not on it being a double top. You should be able to find > good quality double tops starting around 3-4k. > As to using it on a lute, you have to like the sound of it because it > is clearly not historical. I, personally, do not like the sound of > double tops that much. They sacrifice character for volume, imho. But, > if you are trying to fill a concert hall without a microphone then > there are already a lot of sacrifices being made and the double top is > just one more. For a more intimate setting I think it is overkill. The > bracing from Trevor Gore (Falcate system - > [6]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__goreguitars.com > .au_main_page-5Finnovation-5Fsummary-5Ffalcate-5Fbracing.html=DwIFaQ& > c=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvx > MmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=ftBiwVy6my8Jghtq9GSLqxpeyK73pixj5LSQEZHAiYQ=hl > 0F5qUAGqTuToEdzrjzuTjZ3Rl4kFVBRh16ZCVLBts= ) is more interesting. It > makes for a very even sound throughout the instrument and provides more > volume as well. Would I use it on a lute. Not likely. > Anyway, some random thoughts. > David > -Original Message- > From: [7]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu > <[8]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> On Behalf Of Tristan von > Neumann > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:18 AM > To: [9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double Top > For that money, I'd buy a Lute consort... > I don't see any advantage... > On 25.03.20 11:40, Jurgen Frenz wrote: > > I read about the process to make such an instrument - from memory > the two slices are glued together under vacuum, to me it sounds like > quite a costly process. The guitars made by the inventor of this > technology Matthias Dammann cost 15 000 € a pop. > Jürgne > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:04 AM, Mark Probert > <[10]probe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > John wrote: > > Question is, has this been tried on a lute? Are there any luthiers > interested in trying? > > Interesting technology. As applied to a lute? Not so sure. > I suspect someone will but most won't as there is not really any > advantage and much disadvantage (the lamination process for > starters, > workin with nomex or similar, etc.). > The problem this construction "fixes" is loudness. While there may > be > occassions
[LUTE] Re: Lute Tablature using Finale
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 2:30 PM, Tristan von Neumann > wrote: > > Wow thanks. That's some progress. > > Unfortunately, this creates Thysius style tabs with the 7th line always > present, which is weird to read as I tend to confuse the lower courses. > > Is there a possibility to hide the 7th line and only show when it is > used, like "normal" tabs? :) > > > On 25.03.20 18:46, guy_and_liz Smith wrote: >> Just in case it wasn't clear, I'm talking about MuseScore, not Finale. >> >> Also, here's the relevant online help URL for the Staff/Part Properties >> dialog: https://musescore.org/en/handbook/staff-part-properties >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: guy_and_liz Smith >> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:41 AM >> To: Tristan von Neumann; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >> Subject: RE: [LUTE] Re: Lute Tablature using Finale >> >> Right-click the staff and select Staff/Part Properties from the context >> dialog. There are actually two context dialogs, so you might need to move >> the cursor and click a few times to get the one with this option. Use the >> dialog's Edit String Data (near the bottom) to add strings and define their >> pitches (you can also change the pitches for the first six from their >> defaults). >> >> Guy >> >> -Original Message- >> From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu >> [mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Tristan von >> Neumann >> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:17 AM >> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Tablature using Finale >> >>If you have a newer version, the lute can be found in the instrument >>list. >> >>When you use the wizard, there should be a menu "plucked instruments" >>filed under "early music". >> >>Click "Lute (Tablature" and you get a 6 line staff. >> >>Edit as usual, but you get letters. As I said, more than 6 courses >>doesn't seem to be possible. >> >>If you find out how to add diapasons, please let me know. >> >>On 25.03.20 08:40, Wim Loos wrote: >> >>Daar Tristan, >>I'm using Musescore for 'normal' notes and bars. � >>I wonder of jou know where I can find a manual to use the program to >>create a french tablature. >>Thanks in advance, >>best regards, >>Wim Loos >> >>Op wo 25 mrt. 2020 06:54 schreef Tristan von Neumann >><[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>: >> >> For French tabs with good optics you can also use MuseScore, which >> is >> also free. >> However I have not yet (on Linux) found any support of more than 6 >> courses. >> Editing is quite easy. >> On 25.03.20 06:21, Sean Smith wrote: >> > � � �I've used Parallels to open Fronimo on Mac and it works >> pretty well. My >> > � � �only complaint is that Mac updates sometimes would create >> problems as >> > � � �would OS upgrades. Eventually it would work but rarely the >> same problem >> > � � �twice. That was 8 or 9 years ago so that may be water under >> the bridge. >> > � � �Eventually I just got a dedicated Windows machine and all >> is >> well. They >> > � � �are getting pretty inexpensive and Fronimo doesn't use much >> in the way >> > � � �of computer power. >> > � � �One small requirement is an 'insert' key (to enter a >> space). >> If you >> > � � �don't have one on your mac (or windows keyboard) you'll >> want >> to map one >> > � � �onto it. I'd be lost without it. >> > � � �Sean >> > >> > � � �On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 6:33 PM Mac User >> <[1][2]cwiggin...@nc.rr.com> >> > � � �wrote: >> > >> > � � � �Hi all! I've been using Finale as my primary music >> notation >> software >> > � � � �for many years. Recently, I've begun arranging >> Renaissance >> and early >> > � � � �Baroque music for a mixed lute trio (Tenor in G, Alto >> in A, >> Soprano >> > � � � �in D), and while Finale does a fabulous job notating, >> transposing, >> > � � � �printing, etc., the one complaint I've had (and have >> made >> it myself) >> > � � � �is the look and function of the font used for the >> letters >> when >> > � � � �notating in the French style. I've tried many fonts >> available on my >> > � � � �computer; none seem adequate. Specifically, the letters >> cover each >> > � � � �other when two or more notes appear at the same time. A >> friend >> > � � � �recommended using Fronimo, but I don't believe that one >> works on a >> > � � � �Mac, which I use exclusively. Does anyone here have a >> > � � � �recommendation? >> > � � � �Craig Wiggins >> > � � � �Durham, NC >> > � � �
[LUTE] Re: Double Top
I have heard the terminology âcomposite top' and 'sandwich top' in addition to âdouble top', and they all refer to similar construction, although the earliest âdouble top' guitars used a layer of a hexagonal synthetic material called Nomex in between the two paper thin layers on wood. A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. Classical Guitarist/Lutenist On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Joachim Lüdtke <[1]jo.lued...@t-online.de> wrote: Dear David, dear list, I was a bit puzzled at first because I know the term double top, but only pointing to instruments like e.g. Marcard guitars with a second, 'interior' soundboard. What you describe is what I think is usually called a sandwiched soundboard. Is my terminology too limited or do I use it too strictly? A few weeks ago, before the darn Corona guy rode into town, there were guitar days here in the Hochschule für Kunst und Musik in Bremen, and there were young builders showing their recently finished guitars, and one of the guitar teachers of the Hochschule playing a few measures on each of them. Most sounded excellent, and I am ashamed to say that I couldn't make much difference between the majority of the sounds, neither did I ask for prices ⦠Best from the Hanseatics Joachim -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top Datum: 2020-03-25T17:44:36+0100 Von: "David Smith" <[2]d...@dolcesfogato.com> An: "Tristan von Neumann" <[3]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>, "[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> That cost is what a master builder charges for classical guitars - 10k-20k is pretty normal. The cost of doing a double top is really not that high. The materials are not expensive and vacuum is used for a lot of other things in the shop. I use it for attaching bridges and holding instruments while French polishing. The Dammann price is based on his reputation and not on it being a double top. You should be able to find good quality double tops starting around 3-4k. As to using it on a lute, you have to like the sound of it because it is clearly not historical. I, personally, do not like the sound of double tops that much. They sacrifice character for volume, imho. But, if you are trying to fill a concert hall without a microphone then there are already a lot of sacrifices being made and the double top is just one more. For a more intimate setting I think it is overkill. The bracing from Trevor Gore (Falcate system - [6]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__goreguitars.com .au_main_page-5Finnovation-5Fsummary-5Ffalcate-5Fbracing.html=DwIFaQ& c=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvx MmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=ftBiwVy6my8Jghtq9GSLqxpeyK73pixj5LSQEZHAiYQ=hl 0F5qUAGqTuToEdzrjzuTjZ3Rl4kFVBRh16ZCVLBts= ) is more interesting. It makes for a very even sound throughout the instrument and provides more volume as well. Would I use it on a lute. Not likely. Anyway, some random thoughts. David -Original Message- From: [7]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu <[8]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> On Behalf Of Tristan von Neumann Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:18 AM To: [9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double Top For that money, I'd buy a Lute consort... I don't see any advantage... On 25.03.20 11:40, Jurgen Frenz wrote: I read about the process to make such an instrument - from memory the two slices are glued together under vacuum, to me it sounds like quite a costly process. The guitars made by the inventor of this technology Matthias Dammann cost 15 000 ⬠a pop. Jürgne âââââââ Original Message âââââââ On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:04 AM, Mark Probert <[10]probe...@gmail.com> wrote: John wrote: Question is, has this been tried on a lute? Are there any luthiers interested in trying? Interesting technology. As applied to a lute? Not so sure. I suspect someone will but most won't as there is not really any advantage and much disadvantage (the lamination process for starters, workin with nomex or similar, etc.). The problem this construction "fixes" is loudness. While there may be occassions when a lute is too soft, making up for it with an overly stiff soundboard would, I suspect, take away much of what makes a lute sound the way it does. Consider the following article for more [11]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.guitars alon.com_blog_-3Fp-3D1467=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_ 2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=ftBiwVy 6my8Jghtq9GSLqxpeyK73pixj5LSQEZHAiYQ=yrLjgm1jpe8Pk-Xcuhj76e-HcnTDD AuAbyvOQzJWmg0= Kind regards .. mark. To get on or off this list see list information at
[LUTE] Re: Double Top
How in the world would such a lute look like? And how would you be able to tune the second set? Maybe he meant something like the Mace double lute? (Dipharion?) On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 10:05 PM Mathias Rösel <[1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote: Anthony Bailes mentioned Marin Mersenne, Harmonie Universelle (1636), who speaks about the possibility of building a lute with two soundboards with strings on both of them, gut strings on one, metal strings on the other (that's about resonance, I suppose). (Lute News 85, April 2008) Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [2]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von David Smith Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. März 2020 20:16 An: Joachim Lüdtke; [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top I have heard both sandwiched and double top used. The term double top is more common in the states. David -Original Message- From: [5]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu <[6]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> On Behalf Of Joachim Lüdtke Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:56 AM To: [7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double Top Dear David, dear list, I was a bit puzzled at first because I know the term double top, but only pointing to instruments like e.g. Marcard guitars with a second, 'interior' soundboard. What you describe is what I think is usually called a sandwiched soundboard. Is my terminology too limited or do I use it too strictly? A few weeks ago, before the darn Corona guy rode into town, there were guitar days here in the Hochschule für Kunst und Musik in Bremen, and there were young builders showing their recently finished guitars, and one of the guitar teachers of the Hochschule playing a few measures on each of them. Most sounded excellent, and I am ashamed to say that I couldn't make much difference between the majority of the sounds, neither did I ask for prices ⦠Best from the Hanseatics Joachim -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top Datum: 2020-03-25T17:44:36+0100 Von: "David Smith" <[8]d...@dolcesfogato.com> An: "Tristan von Neumann" <[9]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>, "[10]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[11]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> That cost is what a master builder charges for classical guitars - 10k-20k is pretty normal. The cost of doing a double top is really not that high. The materials are not expensive and vacuum is used for a lot of other things in the shop. I use it for attaching bridges and holding instruments while French polishing. The Dammann price is based on his reputation and not on it being a double top. You should be able to find good quality double tops starting around 3-4k. As to using it on a lute, you have to like the sound of it because it is clearly not historical. I, personally, do not like the sound of double tops that much. They sacrifice character for volume, imho. But, if you are trying to fill a concert hall without a microphone then there are already a lot of sacrifices being made and the double top is just one more. For a more intimate setting I think it is overkill. The bracing from Trevor Gore (Falcate system - [12]https://goreguitars.com.au/main/page_innovation_summary_falcate_ bracing.html) is more interesting. It makes for a very even sound throughout the instrument and provides more volume as well. Would I use it on a lute. Not likely. Anyway, some random thoughts. David -Original Message- From: [13]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu <[14]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> On Behalf Of Tristan von Neumann Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:18 AM To: [15]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double Top For that money, I'd buy a Lute consort... I don't see any advantage... On 25.03.20 11:40, Jurgen Frenz wrote: > I read about the process to make such an instrument - from memory the two slices are glued together under vacuum, to me it sounds like quite a costly process. The guitars made by the inventor of this technology Matthias Dammann cost 15 000 ⬠a pop. > > Jürgne > > > > > âââââââ Original Message âââââââ > On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:04 AM, Mark Probert <[16]probe...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> John wrote: >> >>> Question is, has this been tried on a lute? Are there any luthiers >>> interested in trying? >> Interesting technology. As applied to a lute? Not so sure. >> I suspect someone will but most won't as there is not really any >> advantage and much
[LUTE] Re: Double Top
Anthony Bailes mentioned Marin Mersenne, Harmonie Universelle (1636), who speaks about the possibility of building a lute with two soundboards with strings on both of them, gut strings on one, metal strings on the other (that's about resonance, I suppose). (Lute News 85, April 2008) Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von David Smith Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. März 2020 20:16 An: Joachim Lüdtke; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top I have heard both sandwiched and double top used. The term double top is more common in the states. David -Original Message- From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu On Behalf Of Joachim Lüdtke Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:56 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double Top Dear David, dear list, I was a bit puzzled at first because I know the term double top, but only pointing to instruments like e.g. Marcard guitars with a second, 'interior' soundboard. What you describe is what I think is usually called a sandwiched soundboard. Is my terminology too limited or do I use it too strictly? A few weeks ago, before the darn Corona guy rode into town, there were guitar days here in the Hochschule für Kunst und Musik in Bremen, and there were young builders showing their recently finished guitars, and one of the guitar teachers of the Hochschule playing a few measures on each of them. Most sounded excellent, and I am ashamed to say that I couldn't make much difference between the majority of the sounds, neither did I ask for prices … Best from the Hanseatics Joachim -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top Datum: 2020-03-25T17:44:36+0100 Von: "David Smith" An: "Tristan von Neumann" , "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" That cost is what a master builder charges for classical guitars - 10k-20k is pretty normal. The cost of doing a double top is really not that high. The materials are not expensive and vacuum is used for a lot of other things in the shop. I use it for attaching bridges and holding instruments while French polishing. The Dammann price is based on his reputation and not on it being a double top. You should be able to find good quality double tops starting around 3-4k. As to using it on a lute, you have to like the sound of it because it is clearly not historical. I, personally, do not like the sound of double tops that much. They sacrifice character for volume, imho. But, if you are trying to fill a concert hall without a microphone then there are already a lot of sacrifices being made and the double top is just one more. For a more intimate setting I think it is overkill. The bracing from Trevor Gore (Falcate system - https://goreguitars.com.au/main/page_innovation_summary_falcate_bracing.html) is more interesting. It makes for a very even sound throughout the instrument and provides more volume as well. Would I use it on a lute. Not likely. Anyway, some random thoughts. David -Original Message- From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu On Behalf Of Tristan von Neumann Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:18 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double Top For that money, I'd buy a Lute consort... I don't see any advantage... On 25.03.20 11:40, Jurgen Frenz wrote: > I read about the process to make such an instrument - from memory the two > slices are glued together under vacuum, to me it sounds like quite a costly > process. The guitars made by the inventor of this technology Matthias Dammann > cost 15 000 € a pop. > > Jürgne > > > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:04 AM, Mark Probert wrote: > >> John wrote: >> >>> Question is, has this been tried on a lute? Are there any luthiers >>> interested in trying? >> Interesting technology. As applied to a lute? Not so sure. >> I suspect someone will but most won't as there is not really any >> advantage and much disadvantage (the lamination process for starters, >> workin with nomex or similar, etc.). >> >> The problem this construction "fixes" is loudness. While there may be >> occassions when a lute is too soft, making up for it with an overly >> stiff soundboard would, I suspect, take away much of what makes a >> lute sound the way it does. >> >> Consider the following article for more >> >> https://www.guitarsalon.com/blog/?p=1467 >> >> Kind regards >> >> .. mark. >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >
[LUTE] Lute Tablature on Musescore
Hello, it is not too difficult to get more than 6 courses with Musescore, but it is necessary to get a higher version than 2.3 (I think this was the first version that had also worked with more courses). Possibly the version you use, Tristan, is below that version. But you can easily download the newest version of it (3.4.2) on Linux or whatever system you use. For Linux they have appimages, that can be downloaded and started as program (eventually you have to change the program flag in properties), without installing it. If you go to instruments, you can choose under "Early music" between different lutes from 6 to 13-courses. But it is necessary to change the Staff type to 6-course french (or italian) tablature manually. This you can also be done later by staff properties - "Advanced Style Properties", where you can change the style of flags and letters/numbers etc. You can even add more courses if you need. Therefore you have to got to staff/part properties. With part properties you can "Edit String Data": Tune the courses, add more courses etc. I wanted to change some more things on musescore, as to name the lutes "renaissance" and "baroque lute" and automatic initialisation with tablatures, but it was very difficult to get it through ... But anyway, musescore is a quite fine program, that supports notation and tablature really very good. If you want to see some examples I did with musescore, you can look at https://musescore.com/user/4275446 Best regards Markus Markus Am 25.03.20 um 18:41 schrieb guy_and_liz Smith: Right-click the staff and select Staff/Part Properties from the context dialog. There are actually two context dialogs, so you might need to move the cursor and click a few times to get the one with this option. Use the dialog's Edit String Data (near the bottom) to add strings and define their pitches (you can also change the pitches for the first six from their defaults). Guy -Original Message- From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Tristan von Neumann Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:17 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Tablature using Finale If you have a newer version, the lute can be found in the instrument list. When you use the wizard, there should be a menu "plucked instruments" filed under "early music". Click "Lute (Tablature" and you get a 6 line staff. Edit as usual, but you get letters. As I said, more than 6 courses doesn't seem to be possible. If you find out how to add diapasons, please let me know. On 25.03.20 08:40, Wim Loos wrote: Daar Tristan, I'm using Musescore for 'normal' notes and bars. � I wonder of jou know where I can find a manual to use the program to create a french tablature. Thanks in advance, best regards, Wim Loos -- Markus Lutz Schulstraße 11 88422 Bad Buchau Tel 0 75 82 / 92 62 89 Fax 0 75 82 / 92 62 90 Mail mar...@gmlutz.de To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Double Top
I have heard both sandwiched and double top used. The term double top is more common in the states. David -Original Message- From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu On Behalf Of Joachim Lüdtke Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:56 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double Top Dear David, dear list, I was a bit puzzled at first because I know the term double top, but only pointing to instruments like e.g. Marcard guitars with a second, 'interior' soundboard. What you describe is what I think is usually called a sandwiched soundboard. Is my terminology too limited or do I use it too strictly? A few weeks ago, before the darn Corona guy rode into town, there were guitar days here in the Hochschule für Kunst und Musik in Bremen, and there were young builders showing their recently finished guitars, and one of the guitar teachers of the Hochschule playing a few measures on each of them. Most sounded excellent, and I am ashamed to say that I couldn't make much difference between the majority of the sounds, neither did I ask for prices … Best from the Hanseatics Joachim -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top Datum: 2020-03-25T17:44:36+0100 Von: "David Smith" An: "Tristan von Neumann" , "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" That cost is what a master builder charges for classical guitars - 10k-20k is pretty normal. The cost of doing a double top is really not that high. The materials are not expensive and vacuum is used for a lot of other things in the shop. I use it for attaching bridges and holding instruments while French polishing. The Dammann price is based on his reputation and not on it being a double top. You should be able to find good quality double tops starting around 3-4k. As to using it on a lute, you have to like the sound of it because it is clearly not historical. I, personally, do not like the sound of double tops that much. They sacrifice character for volume, imho. But, if you are trying to fill a concert hall without a microphone then there are already a lot of sacrifices being made and the double top is just one more. For a more intimate setting I think it is overkill. The bracing from Trevor Gore (Falcate system - https://goreguitars.com.au/main/page_innovation_summary_falcate_bracing.html) is more interesting. It makes for a very even sound throughout the instrument and provides more volume as well. Would I use it on a lute. Not likely. Anyway, some random thoughts. David -Original Message- From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu On Behalf Of Tristan von Neumann Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:18 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double Top For that money, I'd buy a Lute consort... I don't see any advantage... On 25.03.20 11:40, Jurgen Frenz wrote: > I read about the process to make such an instrument - from memory the two > slices are glued together under vacuum, to me it sounds like quite a costly > process. The guitars made by the inventor of this technology Matthias Dammann > cost 15 000 € a pop. > > Jürgne > > > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:04 AM, Mark Probert wrote: > >> John wrote: >> >>> Question is, has this been tried on a lute? Are there any luthiers >>> interested in trying? >> Interesting technology. As applied to a lute? Not so sure. >> I suspect someone will but most won't as there is not really any >> advantage and much disadvantage (the lamination process for starters, >> workin with nomex or similar, etc.). >> >> The problem this construction "fixes" is loudness. While there may be >> occassions when a lute is too soft, making up for it with an overly >> stiff soundboard would, I suspect, take away much of what makes a >> lute sound the way it does. >> >> Consider the following article for more >> >> https://www.guitarsalon.com/blog/?p=1467 >> >> Kind regards >> >> .. mark. >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >
[LUTE] Re: Lute Tablature using Finale
Yes, that's how I am using it so it's definitely possible. That said It's been several months since I last used MuseScore for tablature, so my memory is a bit fuzzy. IIRC you use the Staff/Properties dialog to set the number of lines to six (near the top). It then treats the seventh and lower courses that you defined in Edit String Data like additional lines for data entry, but puts them below the 6 line staff with an appropriate number of '/' chars. Also, the Advanced Style Properties button allows you to tweak a lot of things, like the font. I remember that it took some frustrating trial and error to do all the necessary tweaks, but it eventually produced some nice looking 8-course/6-line tab. Annoying but you only need to do it once. Ganbatte! Guy -Original Message- From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Tristan von Neumann Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:31 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Tablature using Finale Wow thanks. That's some progress. Unfortunately, this creates Thysius style tabs with the 7th line always present, which is weird to read as I tend to confuse the lower courses. Is there a possibility to hide the 7th line and only show when it is used, like "normal" tabs? :) On 25.03.20 18:46, guy_and_liz Smith wrote: > Just in case it wasn't clear, I'm talking about MuseScore, not Finale. > > Also, here's the relevant online help URL for the Staff/Part Properties > dialog: > https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmusescore.org%2Fen%2Fhandbook%2Fstaff-part-propertiesdata=02%7C01%7C%7C484d6d0b0fb24fc8dedf08d7d0ec7f9d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637207586527156639sdata=yo%2FBZYdMdfkm3D1eGkMudtKUrWr8WUOQDGbJhZDrXro%3Dreserved=0 > > > > -Original Message- > From: guy_and_liz Smith > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:41 AM > To: Tristan von Neumann; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: RE: [LUTE] Re: Lute Tablature using Finale > > Right-click the staff and select Staff/Part Properties from the context > dialog. There are actually two context dialogs, so you might need to move the > cursor and click a few times to get the one with this option. Use the > dialog's Edit String Data (near the bottom) to add strings and define their > pitches (you can also change the pitches for the first six from their > defaults). > > Guy > > -Original Message- > From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu > [mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Tristan von > Neumann > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:17 AM > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Tablature using Finale > > If you have a newer version, the lute can be found in the instrument > list. > > When you use the wizard, there should be a menu "plucked instruments" > filed under "early music". > > Click "Lute (Tablature" and you get a 6 line staff. > > Edit as usual, but you get letters. As I said, more than 6 courses > doesn't seem to be possible. > > If you find out how to add diapasons, please let me know. > > On 25.03.20 08:40, Wim Loos wrote: > > Daar Tristan, > I'm using Musescore for 'normal' notes and bars. � > I wonder of jou know where I can find a manual to use the program to > create a french tablature. > Thanks in advance, > best regards, > Wim Loos > > Op wo 25 mrt. 2020 06:54 schreef Tristan von Neumann > <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>: > > For French tabs with good optics you can also use MuseScore, which > is > also free. > However I have not yet (on Linux) found any support of more than 6 > courses. > Editing is quite easy. > On 25.03.20 06:21, Sean Smith wrote: > > � � �I've used Parallels to open Fronimo on Mac and it works > pretty well. My > > � � �only complaint is that Mac updates sometimes would create > problems as > > � � �would OS upgrades. Eventually it would work but rarely the > same problem > > � � �twice. That was 8 or 9 years ago so that may be water under > the bridge. > > � � �Eventually I just got a dedicated Windows machine and all is > well. They > > � � �are getting pretty inexpensive and Fronimo doesn't use much > in the way > > � � �of computer power. > > � � �One small requirement is an 'insert' key (to enter a space). > If you > > � � �don't have one on your mac (or windows keyboard) you'll want > to map one > > � � �onto it. I'd be lost without it. > > � � �Sean > > > > � � �On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 6:33 PM Mac User > <[1][2]cwiggin...@nc.rr.com> > > � � �wrote: > > > > � � � �Hi all! I've been using Finale as my primary music notation > software > > � � � �for many years. Recently, I've begun arranging Renaissance > and
[LUTE] Re: Lute Tablature using Finale
Wow thanks. That's some progress. Unfortunately, this creates Thysius style tabs with the 7th line always present, which is weird to read as I tend to confuse the lower courses. Is there a possibility to hide the 7th line and only show when it is used, like "normal" tabs? :) On 25.03.20 18:46, guy_and_liz Smith wrote: Just in case it wasn't clear, I'm talking about MuseScore, not Finale. Also, here's the relevant online help URL for the Staff/Part Properties dialog: https://musescore.org/en/handbook/staff-part-properties -Original Message- From: guy_and_liz Smith Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:41 AM To: Tristan von Neumann; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: RE: [LUTE] Re: Lute Tablature using Finale Right-click the staff and select Staff/Part Properties from the context dialog. There are actually two context dialogs, so you might need to move the cursor and click a few times to get the one with this option. Use the dialog's Edit String Data (near the bottom) to add strings and define their pitches (you can also change the pitches for the first six from their defaults). Guy -Original Message- From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Tristan von Neumann Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:17 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Tablature using Finale If you have a newer version, the lute can be found in the instrument list. When you use the wizard, there should be a menu "plucked instruments" filed under "early music". Click "Lute (Tablature" and you get a 6 line staff. Edit as usual, but you get letters. As I said, more than 6 courses doesn't seem to be possible. If you find out how to add diapasons, please let me know. On 25.03.20 08:40, Wim Loos wrote: Daar Tristan, I'm using Musescore for 'normal' notes and bars. � I wonder of jou know where I can find a manual to use the program to create a french tablature. Thanks in advance, best regards, Wim Loos Op wo 25 mrt. 2020 06:54 schreef Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>: For French tabs with good optics you can also use MuseScore, which is also free. However I have not yet (on Linux) found any support of more than 6 courses. Editing is quite easy. On 25.03.20 06:21, Sean Smith wrote: > � � �I've used Parallels to open Fronimo on Mac and it works pretty well. My > � � �only complaint is that Mac updates sometimes would create problems as > � � �would OS upgrades. Eventually it would work but rarely the same problem > � � �twice. That was 8 or 9 years ago so that may be water under the bridge. > � � �Eventually I just got a dedicated Windows machine and all is well. They > � � �are getting pretty inexpensive and Fronimo doesn't use much in the way > � � �of computer power. > � � �One small requirement is an 'insert' key (to enter a space). If you > � � �don't have one on your mac (or windows keyboard) you'll want to map one > � � �onto it. I'd be lost without it. > � � �Sean > > � � �On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 6:33 PM Mac User <[1][2]cwiggin...@nc.rr.com> > � � �wrote: > > � � � �Hi all! I've been using Finale as my primary music notation software > � � � �for many years. Recently, I've begun arranging Renaissance and early > � � � �Baroque music for a mixed lute trio (Tenor in G, Alto in A, Soprano > � � � �in D), and while Finale does a fabulous job notating, transposing, > � � � �printing, etc., the one complaint I've had (and have made it myself) > � � � �is the look and function of the font used for the letters when > � � � �notating in the French style. I've tried many fonts available on my > � � � �computer; none seem adequate. Specifically, the letters cover each > � � � �other when two or more notes appear at the same time. A friend > � � � �recommended using Fronimo, but I don't believe that one works on a > � � � �Mac, which I use exclusively. Does anyone here have a > � � � �recommendation? > � � � �Craig Wiggins > � � � �Durham, NC > � � � �To get on or off this list see list information at > � � � �[2][3]https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.cs.dartmouth.edu%2F~wbc%2Flute-admin%2Findex.htmldata=02%7C01%7C%7C05c3a472c86545592ee008d7d0d9c6ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637207506064961061sdata=7P6EZSl81f9nuAHDg%2BOBlbBeFH83XEVWkQmXesWHaIk%3Dreserved=0 > > � � �-- > > References > > � � �1. mailto:[4]cwiggin...@nc.rr.com > � � �2.
[LUTE] Re: Lute Tablature using Finale
Just in case it wasn't clear, I'm talking about MuseScore, not Finale. Also, here's the relevant online help URL for the Staff/Part Properties dialog: https://musescore.org/en/handbook/staff-part-properties -Original Message- From: guy_and_liz Smith Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:41 AM To: Tristan von Neumann; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: RE: [LUTE] Re: Lute Tablature using Finale Right-click the staff and select Staff/Part Properties from the context dialog. There are actually two context dialogs, so you might need to move the cursor and click a few times to get the one with this option. Use the dialog's Edit String Data (near the bottom) to add strings and define their pitches (you can also change the pitches for the first six from their defaults). Guy -Original Message- From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Tristan von Neumann Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:17 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Tablature using Finale If you have a newer version, the lute can be found in the instrument list. When you use the wizard, there should be a menu "plucked instruments" filed under "early music". Click "Lute (Tablature" and you get a 6 line staff. Edit as usual, but you get letters. As I said, more than 6 courses doesn't seem to be possible. If you find out how to add diapasons, please let me know. On 25.03.20 08:40, Wim Loos wrote: Daar Tristan, I'm using Musescore for 'normal' notes and bars. � I wonder of jou know where I can find a manual to use the program to create a french tablature. Thanks in advance, best regards, Wim Loos Op wo 25 mrt. 2020 06:54 schreef Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>: For French tabs with good optics you can also use MuseScore, which is also free. However I have not yet (on Linux) found any support of more than 6 courses. Editing is quite easy. On 25.03.20 06:21, Sean Smith wrote: > � � �I've used Parallels to open Fronimo on Mac and it works pretty well. My > � � �only complaint is that Mac updates sometimes would create problems as > � � �would OS upgrades. Eventually it would work but rarely the same problem > � � �twice. That was 8 or 9 years ago so that may be water under the bridge. > � � �Eventually I just got a dedicated Windows machine and all is well. They > � � �are getting pretty inexpensive and Fronimo doesn't use much in the way > � � �of computer power. > � � �One small requirement is an 'insert' key (to enter a space). If you > � � �don't have one on your mac (or windows keyboard) you'll want to map one > � � �onto it. I'd be lost without it. > � � �Sean > > � � �On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 6:33 PM Mac User <[1][2]cwiggin...@nc.rr.com> > � � �wrote: > > � � � �Hi all! I've been using Finale as my primary music notation software > � � � �for many years. Recently, I've begun arranging Renaissance and early > � � � �Baroque music for a mixed lute trio (Tenor in G, Alto in A, Soprano > � � � �in D), and while Finale does a fabulous job notating, transposing, > � � � �printing, etc., the one complaint I've had (and have made it myself) > � � � �is the look and function of the font used for the letters when > � � � �notating in the French style. I've tried many fonts available on my > � � � �computer; none seem adequate. Specifically, the letters cover each > � � � �other when two or more notes appear at the same time. A friend > � � � �recommended using Fronimo, but I don't believe that one works on a > � � � �Mac, which I use exclusively. Does anyone here have a > � � � �recommendation? > � � � �Craig Wiggins > � � � �Durham, NC > � � � �To get on or off this list see list information at > � � � �[2][3]https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.cs.dartmouth.edu%2F~wbc%2Flute-admin%2Findex.htmldata=02%7C01%7C%7C05c3a472c86545592ee008d7d0d9c6ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637207506064961061sdata=7P6EZSl81f9nuAHDg%2BOBlbBeFH83XEVWkQmXesWHaIk%3Dreserved=0 > > � � �-- > > References > > � � �1. mailto:[4]cwiggin...@nc.rr.com > � � �2. [5]https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.cs.dartmouth.edu%2F~wbc%2Flute-admin%2Findex.htmldata=02%7C01%7C%7C05c3a472c86545592ee008d7d0d9c6ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637207506064961061sdata=7P6EZSl81f9nuAHDg%2BOBlbBeFH83XEVWkQmXesWHaIk%3Dreserved=0 > -- References 1. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 2. mailto:cwiggin...@nc.rr.com 3.
[LUTE] Re: Lute Tablature using Finale
Right-click the staff and select Staff/Part Properties from the context dialog. There are actually two context dialogs, so you might need to move the cursor and click a few times to get the one with this option. Use the dialog's Edit String Data (near the bottom) to add strings and define their pitches (you can also change the pitches for the first six from their defaults). Guy -Original Message- From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Tristan von Neumann Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:17 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Tablature using Finale If you have a newer version, the lute can be found in the instrument list. When you use the wizard, there should be a menu "plucked instruments" filed under "early music". Click "Lute (Tablature" and you get a 6 line staff. Edit as usual, but you get letters. As I said, more than 6 courses doesn't seem to be possible. If you find out how to add diapasons, please let me know. On 25.03.20 08:40, Wim Loos wrote: Daar Tristan, I'm using Musescore for 'normal' notes and bars. � I wonder of jou know where I can find a manual to use the program to create a french tablature. Thanks in advance, best regards, Wim Loos Op wo 25 mrt. 2020 06:54 schreef Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>: For French tabs with good optics you can also use MuseScore, which is also free. However I have not yet (on Linux) found any support of more than 6 courses. Editing is quite easy. On 25.03.20 06:21, Sean Smith wrote: > � � �I've used Parallels to open Fronimo on Mac and it works pretty well. My > � � �only complaint is that Mac updates sometimes would create problems as > � � �would OS upgrades. Eventually it would work but rarely the same problem > � � �twice. That was 8 or 9 years ago so that may be water under the bridge. > � � �Eventually I just got a dedicated Windows machine and all is well. They > � � �are getting pretty inexpensive and Fronimo doesn't use much in the way > � � �of computer power. > � � �One small requirement is an 'insert' key (to enter a space). If you > � � �don't have one on your mac (or windows keyboard) you'll want to map one > � � �onto it. I'd be lost without it. > � � �Sean > > � � �On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 6:33 PM Mac User <[1][2]cwiggin...@nc.rr.com> > � � �wrote: > > � � � �Hi all! I've been using Finale as my primary music notation software > � � � �for many years. Recently, I've begun arranging Renaissance and early > � � � �Baroque music for a mixed lute trio (Tenor in G, Alto in A, Soprano > � � � �in D), and while Finale does a fabulous job notating, transposing, > � � � �printing, etc., the one complaint I've had (and have made it myself) > � � � �is the look and function of the font used for the letters when > � � � �notating in the French style. I've tried many fonts available on my > � � � �computer; none seem adequate. Specifically, the letters cover each > � � � �other when two or more notes appear at the same time. A friend > � � � �recommended using Fronimo, but I don't believe that one works on a > � � � �Mac, which I use exclusively. Does anyone here have a > � � � �recommendation? > � � � �Craig Wiggins > � � � �Durham, NC > � � � �To get on or off this list see list information at > � � � �[2][3]https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.cs.dartmouth.edu%2F~wbc%2Flute-admin%2Findex.htmldata=02%7C01%7C%7C05c3a472c86545592ee008d7d0d9c6ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637207506064961061sdata=7P6EZSl81f9nuAHDg%2BOBlbBeFH83XEVWkQmXesWHaIk%3Dreserved=0 > > � � �-- > > References > > � � �1. mailto:[4]cwiggin...@nc.rr.com > � � �2. [5]https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.cs.dartmouth.edu%2F~wbc%2Flute-admin%2Findex.htmldata=02%7C01%7C%7C05c3a472c86545592ee008d7d0d9c6ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637207506064961061sdata=7P6EZSl81f9nuAHDg%2BOBlbBeFH83XEVWkQmXesWHaIk%3Dreserved=0 > -- References 1. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 2. mailto:cwiggin...@nc.rr.com 3. https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.cs.dartmouth.edu%2F~wbc%2Flute-admin%2Findex.htmldata=02%7C01%7C%7C05c3a472c86545592ee008d7d0d9c6ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637207506064961061sdata=7P6EZSl81f9nuAHDg%2BOBlbBeFH83XEVWkQmXesWHaIk%3Dreserved=0 4. mailto:cwiggin...@nc.rr.com 5.
[LUTE] Re: Double Top
Dear David, dear list, I was a bit puzzled at first because I know the term double top, but only pointing to instruments like e.g. Marcard guitars with a second, 'interior' soundboard. What you describe is what I think is usually called a sandwiched soundboard. Is my terminology too limited or do I use it too strictly? A few weeks ago, before the darn Corona guy rode into town, there were guitar days here in the Hochschule für Kunst und Musik in Bremen, and there were young builders showing their recently finished guitars, and one of the guitar teachers of the Hochschule playing a few measures on each of them. Most sounded excellent, and I am ashamed to say that I couldn't make much difference between the majority of the sounds, neither did I ask for prices … Best from the Hanseatics Joachim -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top Datum: 2020-03-25T17:44:36+0100 Von: "David Smith" An: "Tristan von Neumann" , "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" That cost is what a master builder charges for classical guitars - 10k-20k is pretty normal. The cost of doing a double top is really not that high. The materials are not expensive and vacuum is used for a lot of other things in the shop. I use it for attaching bridges and holding instruments while French polishing. The Dammann price is based on his reputation and not on it being a double top. You should be able to find good quality double tops starting around 3-4k. As to using it on a lute, you have to like the sound of it because it is clearly not historical. I, personally, do not like the sound of double tops that much. They sacrifice character for volume, imho. But, if you are trying to fill a concert hall without a microphone then there are already a lot of sacrifices being made and the double top is just one more. For a more intimate setting I think it is overkill. The bracing from Trevor Gore (Falcate system - https://goreguitars.com.au/main/page_innovation_summary_falcate_bracing.html) is more interesting. It makes for a very even sound throughout the instrument and provides more volume as well. Would I use it on a lute. Not likely. Anyway, some random thoughts. David -Original Message- From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu On Behalf Of Tristan von Neumann Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:18 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double Top For that money, I'd buy a Lute consort... I don't see any advantage... On 25.03.20 11:40, Jurgen Frenz wrote: > I read about the process to make such an instrument - from memory the two > slices are glued together under vacuum, to me it sounds like quite a costly > process. The guitars made by the inventor of this technology Matthias Dammann > cost 15 000 € a pop. > > Jürgne > > > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:04 AM, Mark Probert wrote: > >> John wrote: >> >>> Question is, has this been tried on a lute? Are there any luthiers >>> interested in trying? >> Interesting technology. As applied to a lute? Not so sure. >> I suspect someone will but most won't as there is not really any >> advantage and much disadvantage (the lamination process for starters, >> workin with nomex or similar, etc.). >> >> The problem this construction "fixes" is loudness. While there may be >> occassions when a lute is too soft, making up for it with an overly >> stiff soundboard would, I suspect, take away much of what makes a >> lute sound the way it does. >> >> Consider the following article for more >> >> https://www.guitarsalon.com/blog/?p=1467 >> >> Kind regards >> >> .. mark. >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >
[LUTE] Re: Double Top
That cost is what a master builder charges for classical guitars - 10k-20k is pretty normal. The cost of doing a double top is really not that high. The materials are not expensive and vacuum is used for a lot of other things in the shop. I use it for attaching bridges and holding instruments while French polishing. The Dammann price is based on his reputation and not on it being a double top. You should be able to find good quality double tops starting around 3-4k. As to using it on a lute, you have to like the sound of it because it is clearly not historical. I, personally, do not like the sound of double tops that much. They sacrifice character for volume, imho. But, if you are trying to fill a concert hall without a microphone then there are already a lot of sacrifices being made and the double top is just one more. For a more intimate setting I think it is overkill. The bracing from Trevor Gore (Falcate system - https://goreguitars.com.au/main/page_innovation_summary_falcate_bracing.html) is more interesting. It makes for a very even sound throughout the instrument and provides more volume as well. Would I use it on a lute. Not likely. Anyway, some random thoughts. David -Original Message- From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu On Behalf Of Tristan von Neumann Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:18 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double Top For that money, I'd buy a Lute consort... I don't see any advantage... On 25.03.20 11:40, Jurgen Frenz wrote: > I read about the process to make such an instrument - from memory the two > slices are glued together under vacuum, to me it sounds like quite a costly > process. The guitars made by the inventor of this technology Matthias Dammann > cost 15 000 € a pop. > > Jürgne > > > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:04 AM, Mark Probert wrote: > >> John wrote: >> >>> Question is, has this been tried on a lute? Are there any luthiers >>> interested in trying? >> Interesting technology. As applied to a lute? Not so sure. >> I suspect someone will but most won't as there is not really any >> advantage and much disadvantage (the lamination process for starters, >> workin with nomex or similar, etc.). >> >> The problem this construction "fixes" is loudness. While there may be >> occassions when a lute is too soft, making up for it with an overly >> stiff soundboard would, I suspect, take away much of what makes a >> lute sound the way it does. >> >> Consider the following article for more >> >> https://www.guitarsalon.com/blog/?p=1467 >> >> Kind regards >> >> .. mark. >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >
[LUTE] Re: Double Top
For that money, I'd buy a Lute consort... I don't see any advantage... On 25.03.20 11:40, Jurgen Frenz wrote: I read about the process to make such an instrument - from memory the two slices are glued together under vacuum, to me it sounds like quite a costly process. The guitars made by the inventor of this technology Matthias Dammann cost 15 000 € a pop. Jürgne ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:04 AM, Mark Probert wrote: John wrote: Question is, has this been tried on a lute? Are there any luthiers interested in trying? Interesting technology. As applied to a lute? Not so sure. I suspect someone will but most won't as there is not really any advantage and much disadvantage (the lamination process for starters, workin with nomex or similar, etc.). The problem this construction "fixes" is loudness. While there may be occassions when a lute is too soft, making up for it with an overly stiff soundboard would, I suspect, take away much of what makes a lute sound the way it does. Consider the following article for more https://www.guitarsalon.com/blog/?p=1467 Kind regards .. mark. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Tablature using Finale
If you have a newer version, the lute can be found in the instrument list. When you use the wizard, there should be a menu "plucked instruments" filed under "early music". Click "Lute (Tablature" and you get a 6 line staff. Edit as usual, but you get letters. As I said, more than 6 courses doesn't seem to be possible. If you find out how to add diapasons, please let me know. On 25.03.20 08:40, Wim Loos wrote: Daar Tristan, I'm using Musescore for 'normal' notes and bars. � I wonder of jou know where I can find a manual to use the program to create a french tablature. Thanks in advance, best regards, Wim Loos Op wo 25 mrt. 2020 06:54 schreef Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>: For French tabs with good optics you can also use MuseScore, which is also free. However I have not yet (on Linux) found any support of more than 6 courses. Editing is quite easy. On 25.03.20 06:21, Sean Smith wrote: > � � �I've used Parallels to open Fronimo on Mac and it works pretty well. My > � � �only complaint is that Mac updates sometimes would create problems as > � � �would OS upgrades. Eventually it would work but rarely the same problem > � � �twice. That was 8 or 9 years ago so that may be water under the bridge. > � � �Eventually I just got a dedicated Windows machine and all is well. They > � � �are getting pretty inexpensive and Fronimo doesn't use much in the way > � � �of computer power. > � � �One small requirement is an 'insert' key (to enter a space). If you > � � �don't have one on your mac (or windows keyboard) you'll want to map one > � � �onto it. I'd be lost without it. > � � �Sean > > � � �On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 6:33 PM Mac User <[1][2]cwiggin...@nc.rr.com> > � � �wrote: > > � � � �Hi all! I've been using Finale as my primary music notation software > � � � �for many years. Recently, I've begun arranging Renaissance and early > � � � �Baroque music for a mixed lute trio (Tenor in G, Alto in A, Soprano > � � � �in D), and while Finale does a fabulous job notating, transposing, > � � � �printing, etc., the one complaint I've had (and have made it myself) > � � � �is the look and function of the font used for the letters when > � � � �notating in the French style. I've tried many fonts available on my > � � � �computer; none seem adequate. Specifically, the letters cover each > � � � �other when two or more notes appear at the same time. A friend > � � � �recommended using Fronimo, but I don't believe that one works on a > � � � �Mac, which I use exclusively. Does anyone here have a > � � � �recommendation? > � � � �Craig Wiggins > � � � �Durham, NC > � � � �To get on or off this list see list information at > � � � �[2][3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > � � �-- > > References > > � � �1. mailto:[4]cwiggin...@nc.rr.com > � � �2. [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- References 1. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 2. mailto:cwiggin...@nc.rr.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. mailto:cwiggin...@nc.rr.com 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Double Top
I read about the process to make such an instrument - from memory the two slices are glued together under vacuum, to me it sounds like quite a costly process. The guitars made by the inventor of this technology Matthias Dammann cost 15 000 € a pop. Jürgne ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:04 AM, Mark Probert wrote: > John wrote: > > > Question is, has this been tried on a lute? Are there any > > luthiers interested in trying? > > Interesting technology. As applied to a lute? Not so sure. > I suspect someone will but most won't as there is not really > any advantage and much disadvantage (the lamination process > for starters, workin with nomex or similar, etc.). > > The problem this construction "fixes" is loudness. While there > may be occassions when a lute is too soft, making up for it with > an overly stiff soundboard would, I suspect, take away much of > what makes a lute sound the way it does. > > Consider the following article for more > > https://www.guitarsalon.com/blog/?p=1467 > > Kind regards > > .. mark. > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
