Re: Lyx-Hilfe Formatierungen

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-03-21, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 Anna Katharina Aichroth wrote:

 - Breite von 16cm sollte der Text etwa eine Länge von 25cm haben
 (inklusive Seitenzahl/ Kopfzeile)

 In Dokument  Einstellungen  LaTeX-Vorspann, insert:

 \usepackage[includehead,includefoot,height=25mm,width=16mm]{geometry}

The same can be achieved via the page layout tab in DocumentSettings
(Dokument  Einstellungen  Seitenlayout).

Günter

Re: Lyx-Hilfe Formatierungen

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Guenter Milde wrote:
  In Dokument  Einstellungen  LaTeX-Vorspann, insert:
  
  \usepackage[includehead,includefoot,height=25mm,width=16mm]{geometry}
 
 The same can be achieved via the page layout tab in DocumentSettings
 (Dokument  Einstellungen  Seitenlayout).

Yes, but in this case, the preamble version is more economic (both in terms of 
explanation and in terms of realisation).

Jürgen

Re: ANNOUNCE: Windows installer for RC1

[Wolfgang Keller]

 Note that this installer is based on fresh new code different from
 1.6 series and needs some testing from you.

This doesn't work with SumatraPDF(portable). It simply won't open the
viewer window when I hit the view button.

With 1.6.9, it did.

So with 2.0, I can only use Adobe Reader X-( -- if it is installed. If
it isn't, I can't do anything.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

BTW: The new icons for the pdf generation buttons are anti-intuitive. 

Re: Changing native dictionary language

[Christopher Reeve]

Thanks to you both. It worked. I had not thought to check in the document
settings as I assumed it was a global setting, but now I think about it, it
makes sense to be in the document settings. Because the default is a global
preference perhaps it would make sense for one to be able to change the
default setting also in one or two other places - such as in the spell
checker window or within the global preferences. That is my philosophy
anyway: that there should often be more than one way to do the same thing.
Cheers!

Re: LyX + arrows +beamer?

[Manveru]

2011/2/22 Paul A. Rubin ru...@msu.edu:
 On 02/21/2011 06:19 PM, i...@virginia.edu wrote:

 I just created a .lyx file with the code in your email an it works!
 Thanks!
 Another cool thing that I would like to be able to do with LyX is this
 http://www.texample.net/tikz/examples/gnuplot-basics/
 Is it possible?
 Thanks!
 -Ignacio

 Yes (example attached).  You obviously need to have Gnuplot installed.  You
 also need to modify the converter LyX uses.  In Tools  Preferences... 
 File Handling  Converters, highlight the LaTeX (pdflatex) - PDF (pdflatex)
 converter.  Change the converter line to

 pdflatex --shell-escape $$i

 and click Modify and then Save.

Keeping --shell-escape in PDF (pdflatex) converter is like asking for
troubles in other cases. I suggest to create another converter with
--shell-escape enabled keeping original one unaffected.

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LyX Promotion

[Rob Oakes]

Dear Users and Developers,

Thank you to both Pavel and Stefano for ollowing up with Google about why the 
GSoC application was turned down. Is there any way that I could help in that 
review? Stefano, will you be attending the IRC meeting to be held later today? 
I think it's very important that we understand why LyX was rejected as a 
mentoring organization, and I'd be willing to hep in any way necessary.

While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that Pavel hit 
the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to think of it 
as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program which helps 
professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even more narrow, it 
seems like many think it is for math and physics people to write a thesis or 
article.) Which is to say, a specialized program with an incredibly small user 
base and use.

While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I don't think anyone would argue 
that many of the developers and users are within academics), it significantly 
understates LyX's appeal, especially if you consider the enhancements available 
in the upcoming version. From my own personal experience, I've found LyX to be 
the most capable pre-press/writing tool I've ever come across. If I were a 
publishing company or involved in the creation of any type of documentation, I 
would be looking  at LyX very carefully. It's the only tool that I know that 
allows you to manage collaboration, typesetting the final output, and target 
both electronic and print from the same source. With the recent explosion of 
electronic publishing and eBooks, I think that makes it *highly* relevant.

Yet, I'm not sure that the wider community appreciates that. (Hearing Google's 
rationale for rejecting the GSoC application will help somewhat in clarifying 
how LyX is perceived.) Which really brings me to the reason I'm writing.

Would it be worth trying to promote LyX to people who might find it helpful? 

We've talked for a long time about writing a LyX book, which is an excellent 
and wonderful project. But what if we first tested those waters by tackling 
some smaller projects first?

For example:

1.) I just learned about a new open design magazine this morning, called 
LibreGraphics magazine (http://libregraphicsmag.com/). The goal of the 
publication is to help designers find tools for their work. It seems like an 
article about using LyX for book design would be a natural fit for their target 
audience. 

2.) In similar vein, the LibreGraphics meeting is also coming up. This year, it 
will be held in Montreal. LibreGraphics targets a similar demographic, and it 
seems like such a presentation would be a natural fit. Even better, they pay 
the travel expenses of presenters (http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2011/). 
Might anyone be interested in talking about using LyX to talk about book 
design, typography, or writing?

3.) It's been some time since Linux magazine or one of the other trade 
publications published a general purpose article on LyX. Might it be worth 
creating and submitting one? We might try and target Linux users magazine 
(http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/), ZdNet, or one of the large Linux blogs (like 
OMG!Ubuntu, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/).

4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX, but 
I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to help. Would 
it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials for people, like 
Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've also thought about 
teaching a design workshop through my local library, and these materials would 
help provide a curriculum.)

The tutorials could address some of the finer points of using LyX that are not 
covered in the manuals. For example, how do you collaborate using version 
control? What is the process for creating custom, typeset publications with LyX 
and LaTeX? We could publish cohesive examples and then walk through how the 
code works. They might describe principles of design, or typographical effects, 
and how they can be accomplished using LyX. Maybe we could create a writeup on 
how to prepare files for multiple output formats (print, web, eBook) using a 
single source. I'm sure that there are other tutorials that I'm overlooking.

Which really brings me to the point I want to make: if we target the right 
groups and create nice looking materials, it could go a long ways to clarifying 
LyX's position in the free-softare world. It's also likely that we might find 
developers to contribute time and code, businesses who would be willing to 
support future development, and others who could help grow the LyX user base.

Many of the other projects who were accepted seem to have dedicated 
marketing/promotion teams. Would it be worth trying to organize such an 
endeavor for LyX? It might provide a great way for less code savvy types to 
contribute to the project.

Cheers,

Rob

Re: LyX Promotion

[Rich Shepard]

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011, Rob Oakes wrote:


When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to think of it as a specialized
academic writing tool. Basically, a program which helps professors and
students write a thesis or articles. (To be even more narrow, it seems
like many think it is for math and physics people to write a thesis or
article.) Which is to say, a specialized program with an incredibly small
user base and use.

While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I don't think anyone would
argue that many of the developers and users are within academics),


  Feh! I do most of my writing with LyX: proposals, reports, letters,
newsletter, white papers, etc. I use OO Writer under duress; it's too
Microsoftish for me. If you look on our Web site at the downloadable
documents, almost all are typeset by TeX and I escaped academia 30 years
ago.

Rich

Re: ANNOUNCE: Windows installer for RC1

[Joost Verburg]

Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote in message 
news:20110322160249.b3332054.felip...@gmx.net...

This doesn't work with SumatraPDF(portable). It simply won't open the
viewer window when I hit the view button.


The PDF code should be identical to 1.6.9. I'll have a look.

Joost 

Re: LyX Promotion

[Manolo Martínez]

There is something that might help: wouldn't it be possible to add a
made with LyX tag alongside TeX and pdfTeX in the properties of the
resulting pdf?

It'd be an easy way to communicate that a nice document -that gets you
looking into its properties- was made with LyX.

M

Re: Changing native dictionary language

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Christopher Reeve wrote:
 Thanks to you both. It worked. I had not thought to check in the document
 settings as I assumed it was a global setting, but now I think about it, it
 makes sense to be in the document settings. Because the default is a global
 preference perhaps it would make sense for one to be able to change the
 default setting also in one or two other places - such as in the spell
 checker window or within the global preferences. That is my philosophy
 anyway: that there should often be more than one way to do the same thing.

The point here is not global preference vs. document setting. The point is 
that the UI language is completely separate from the document language. The 
fact that I use a German UI localization does not in any way determine in 
which language(s) I write my documents.

Having said that, you can change the default document language, as described 
in my first response: just hit the Save as Document Defaults button in the 
document settings dialog (as a matter of fact, there was a default language 
setting in the preferences in earlier LyX versions, but we removed it, in 
favour of the current template solution)

Jürgen

Re: LyX Promotion

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Manolo Martínez
man...@austrohungaro.com wrote:
 There is something that might help: wouldn't it be possible to add a
 made with LyX tag alongside TeX and pdfTeX in the properties of the
 resulting pdf?

Yes, I always thought that LyX should tag PDFs by 'Created with LyX'.
Is it difficult to achieve?
Liviu


 It'd be an easy way to communicate that a nice document -that gets you
 looking into its properties- was made with LyX.

 M





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tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Liviu Andronic]

Dear all
I think this is a very good idea.


On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:
 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX, 
 but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to help. 
 Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials for people, 
 like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've also thought 
 about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and these 
 materials would help provide a curriculum.)

I will be holding a workshop on LyX to graduate types at my university
and I'm not very sure where from to begin. Some ready materials
(slides on the advantages of LyX/LaTeX over MS Word and the hord, step
by step tutorials for creating your first document in LyX, using
bibliography and fancier features) would be of enormous help.

At the moment I plan to start with the 'Help  Documentation' in
preparing my tutorial. Perhaps some of you have already passed through
this experience and have some materials readily available? If so,
please post them here.

Regards
Liviu

Re: LyX Promotion

[Steve Litt]

On Tuesday 22 March 2011 11:58:22 Rich Shepard wrote:
 On Tue, 22 Mar 2011, Rob Oakes wrote:
  When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to think of it as a
  specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program which helps
  professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even more
  narrow, it seems like many think it is for math and physics people to
  write a thesis or article.) Which is to say, a specialized program with
  an incredibly small user base and use.
  
  While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I don't think anyone would
  argue that many of the developers and users are within academics),
 
Feh! I do most of my writing with LyX: proposals, reports, letters,
 newsletter, white papers, etc. I use OO Writer under duress; it's too
 Microsoftish for me.

Oh don't I wish it were too Microsoftish! If it were just like Word/Powerpoint 
I'd use it all the time -- Powerpoint is decent and Word is actually a good 
program. But N, OO imports word docs and changes all styles to 
fingerpainting. An OO made Powerpoint has stuff walking off the screen viewed 
in Powerpoint. I try never to use OO on anything more than three pages long, 
because I end up putting my fist through the wall. OO is utter junk.

The only time I use OO is the anding of the following:

1) The other guy simply MUST work in MS Office
2) The document is relatively simple
3) Exact appearance isn't important

An example is when my editor made queries to my book, and I responded to the 
queries, and the editor responded to my responses, ... I just kept making 
styles to accommodate ever increasing levels of response, and somehow the 
styles survived the round trip from MSWord to OO and back.

The next major revision of my courseware will be All-Beamer-All-The-Time (no 
LyX, just Beamer LaTeX). It's 1000 times easier to maintain and personalize 
than OOImpress viewed on MS Powerpoint.

Nowadays, all my letters are LyX letter template. Yeah, it's a PITA, and I 
think it's a silly use of LyX, but it's a whole lot better than OOWriter.

When writing a paper 5 pages or less, I use Abiword to get it done in a few 
minutes. Beyond 5 pages, I use LyX. LyX can be a PITA, but at least you know 
it will work.

And of course, when writing anything over 50 pages I use LyX. This is LyX's 
intended usage, and who in their right mind would use anything else for 50+ 
page docs?

OO has the worlds ugliest native file format. Several XML files zipped up. 
These files resemble a severely denormalized database -- everything depends on 
everything else, and any given change can affect four or five different XML 
sections and maybe multiple files. As a practical matter, I find it impossible 
to work with OO native format. Contrast this with LyX, which so far is fairly 
easy to write and parse from a Perl or Lua program.

Friends don't let friends use OO.

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Re: LyX Promotion - use outside academia

[Paul Sutton]

On 22/03/11 15:51, Rob Oakes wrote:
 Dear Users and Developers,
 
 Thank you to both Pavel and Stefano for ollowing up with Google about why the 
 GSoC application was turned down. Is there any way that I could help in that 
 review? Stefano, will you be attending the IRC meeting to be held later 
 today? I think it's very important that we understand why LyX was rejected as 
 a mentoring organization, and I'd be willing to hep in any way necessary.
 
 While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that Pavel 
 hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to think 
 of it as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program which 
 helps professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even more 
 narrow, it seems like many think it is for math and physics people to write a 
 thesis or article.) Which is to say, a specialized program with an incredibly 
 small user base and use.
 
 While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I don't think anyone would argue 
 that many of the developers and users are within academics), it significantly 
 understates LyX's appeal, especially if you consider the enhancements 
 available in the upcoming version. From my own personal experience, I've 
 found LyX to be the most capable pre-press/writing tool I've ever come 
 across. If I were a publishing company or involved in the creation of any 
 type of documentation, I would be looking  at LyX very carefully. It's the 
 only tool that I know that allows you to manage collaboration, typesetting 
 the final output, and target both electronic and print from the same source. 
 With the recent explosion of electronic publishing and eBooks, I think that 
 makes it *highly* relevant.
 
 Yet, I'm not sure that the wider community appreciates that. (Hearing 
 Google's rationale for rejecting the GSoC application will help somewhat in 
 clarifying how LyX is perceived.) Which really brings me to the reason I'm 
 writing.
 
 Would it be worth trying to promote LyX to people who might find it helpful? 
 
 We've talked for a long time about writing a LyX book, which is an excellent 
 and wonderful project. But what if we first tested those waters by tackling 
 some smaller projects first?
 
 For example:
 
 1.) I just learned about a new open design magazine this morning, called 
 LibreGraphics magazine (http://libregraphicsmag.com/). The goal of the 
 publication is to help designers find tools for their work. It seems like an 
 article about using LyX for book design would be a natural fit for their 
 target audience. 
 
 2.) In similar vein, the LibreGraphics meeting is also coming up. This year, 
 it will be held in Montreal. LibreGraphics targets a similar demographic, and 
 it seems like such a presentation would be a natural fit. Even better, they 
 pay the travel expenses of presenters 
 (http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2011/). Might anyone be interested in 
 talking about using LyX to talk about book design, typography, or writing?
 
 3.) It's been some time since Linux magazine or one of the other trade 
 publications published a general purpose article on LyX. Might it be worth 
 creating and submitting one? We might try and target Linux users magazine 
 (http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/), ZdNet, or one of the large Linux blogs (like 
 OMG!Ubuntu, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/).
 
 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX, 
 but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to help. 
 Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials for people, 
 like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've also thought 
 about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and these 
 materials would help provide a curriculum.)
 
 The tutorials could address some of the finer points of using LyX that are 
 not covered in the manuals. For example, how do you collaborate using version 
 control? What is the process for creating custom, typeset publications with 
 LyX and LaTeX? We could publish cohesive examples and then walk through how 
 the code works. They might describe principles of design, or typographical 
 effects, and how they can be accomplished using LyX. Maybe we could create a 
 writeup on how to prepare files for multiple output formats (print, web, 
 eBook) using a single source. I'm sure that there are other tutorials that 
 I'm overlooking.
 
 Which really brings me to the point I want to make: if we target the right 
 groups and create nice looking materials, it could go a long ways to 
 clarifying LyX's position in the free-softare world. It's also likely that we 
 might find developers to contribute time and code, businesses who would be 
 willing to support future development, and others who could help grow the LyX 
 user base.
 
 Many of the other projects who were accepted seem to have dedicated 
 marketing/promotion teams. Would it be worth trying to organize such an 
 endeavor for 

Re: LyX Promotion

[Paul Sutton]

 The next major revision of my courseware will be All-Beamer-All-The-Time (no 
 LyX, just Beamer LaTeX). It's 1000 times easier to maintain and personalize 
 than OOImpress viewed on MS Powerpoint.
 
 Nowadays, all my letters are LyX letter template. Yeah, it's a PITA, and I 
 think it's a silly use of LyX, but it's a whole lot better than OOWriter.
 
 When writing a paper 5 pages or less, I use Abiword to get it done in a few 
 minutes. Beyond 5 pages, I use LyX. LyX can be a PITA, but at least you know 
 it will work.
 
 And of course, when writing anything over 50 pages I use LyX. This is LyX's 
 intended usage, and who in their right mind would use anything else for 50+ 
 page docs?


A book on LyX could be useful but you raise an important point here,
what perhaps needs to be got across is when do you use LyX when does
this stop and LaTeX takes over or perhaps the other way round.

something to think about

Paul

Re: LyX Promotion

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

 Op 22-3-2011 17:59, Steve Litt schreef:

The next major revision of my courseware will be All-Beamer-All-The-Time (no
LyX, just Beamer LaTeX). It's 1000 times easier to maintain and personalize
than OOImpress viewed on MS Powerpoint.


You would have loved the new LyX Presentation Mode:

http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel/SummerOfCode2011Ideas#toc3

(if we weren't rejected of course ;))

Vincent

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Paul Sutton]

On 22/03/11 16:38, Liviu Andronic wrote:
 Dear all
 I think this is a very good idea.
 
 
 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:
 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX, 
 but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to help. 
 Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials for people, 
 like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've also thought 
 about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and these 
 materials would help provide a curriculum.)

 I will be holding a workshop on LyX to graduate types at my university
 and I'm not very sure where from to begin. Some ready materials
 (slides on the advantages of LyX/LaTeX over MS Word and the hord, step
 by step tutorials for creating your first document in LyX, using
 bibliography and fancier features) would be of enormous help.
 
 At the moment I plan to start with the 'Help  Documentation' in
 preparing my tutorial. Perhaps some of you have already passed through
 this experience and have some materials readily available? If so,
 please post them here.
 
 Regards
 Liviu


You may want to contact Joseph Wright at the UK TeX user group as they
do introductory courses on LaTeX, for some pointers.  The website below
gives details on what the course covers so perhaps if your course did
the same but using LyX and you are able to collaborate it would be a
useful for people going from one to the other or using both,

http://uk.tug.org/

Hope this helps

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SV: Help me out of .doc

[Ingar Pareliussen]

 Hi

I made small edition to my final thesis in Word and now it looks terrible 
again. 
I want to get rid of it. I have more important things to do than keep 
document's 
layout in looking good.

I feel your pain. It was a similar experience with word that made me change to 
LyX
in 1999. However, if you do not have a week to familiarize yourself with LyX and
LaTeX you should finish your thesis in word first, and then learn LyX.

I have been playing with openoffice writer2latex and lyx for several hours 
without 
notable success.

Sadly, writer2latex tries to conserve as much as possible of the  layout and 
that
makes the LaTeX code in my opinion ugly and not really compatible with LyX. 
So I would say that using writer2latex is a not an option, sorry :). Maybe
somebody have other opinions about writer2latex, and how to make it
behave, and I guess they will tell us so. :)

The  best way forward if you have the time is to find a thesis-lyx-layout that 
resembles your layout and put your text into it. You should also read the
LyX Help-introduction and tutorial. Then when you find something you need
to change, you can ask the mailing list (after checking the wiki ;-) ).

Here are a starting point to some thesis-lyx-layouts:
http://wiki.lyx.org/Examples/Thesis
http://www.thesis-template.com/

Finally, dropping word is possible the best choice you can do, however, learning
LyX is necessary to utilize it... But I have never met anybody not being happy
after learning LyX :).

hth,
Ingar Pareliussen

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Ronen Abravanel]

How long should it be? A year ago I had one hour workshop on LyX in my
department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and in what scene
LyX is different from word, and then about 40 minutes of demonstration of
what can I do and how can I do that.

If there is nothing better, I can translate my tutorial to English (few
beamer-slides, and 3 pages of do that in order to achieve this... list...

Ronen

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dear all
 I think this is a very good idea.


 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:
  4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize
 LyX, but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to
 help. Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials for
 people, like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've also
 thought about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and these
 materials would help provide a curriculum.)
 
 I will be holding a workshop on LyX to graduate types at my university
 and I'm not very sure where from to begin. Some ready materials
 (slides on the advantages of LyX/LaTeX over MS Word and the hord, step
 by step tutorials for creating your first document in LyX, using
 bibliography and fancier features) would be of enormous help.

 At the moment I plan to start with the 'Help  Documentation' in
 preparing my tutorial. Perhaps some of you have already passed through
 this experience and have some materials readily available? If so,
 please post them here.

 Regards
 Liviu

Re: Help me out of .doc

[John Kane]

Hi Hannu, 

I'm afraid I don't know enough about LyX to help.  However I had a quick look 
at it in OpenOffice.org and assuming it imported correctly, which it seems to 
have, it seems like a typically badly laid-out Word document.  I can see why 
any little thing could mess it up.

I think Ingar's suggestion is a good one.  

You actually have three page styles, 10 paragraph styles and four character 
styles in use in the document if OOo is reading it properly.

I have used both LyX and OOo to reformat papers and it's usually easier to 
paste the text in as plain text and work from there. 

 I don't know about LyX but if you understand OOo styles -- environments in LyX 
terms -- it would probably be a fairly easy job to create the needed styles -- 
if they don't exist -- in OOo ;and just quickly reformat the whole thing.  

In OOo you would need to understand the use of Styles See 
[url=http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Chapters][b]OOo
 Authors[/b][/url]

--- On Mon, 3/21/11, Hannu Vuolasaho vuo...@msn.com wrote:

From: Hannu Vuolasaho vuo...@msn.com
Subject: Help me out of .doc
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Received: Monday, March 21, 2011, 9:08 PM


Hello!

I made small edition to my final thesis in Word and now it looks terrible 
again. I want to get rid of it. I have more important things to do than keep 
document's layout in looking good.

I have been playing with openoffice writer2latex and lyx for several hours 
without notable success.

So could someone import this template doc 
http://edu3.tokem.fi/TIEDOSTOT/Tekniikka/Opinnaytetyon_malli_Versio_3_3_21_9_2010.doc
 to lyx and send it back to me if I ask nicely? That doc has three styles. 
Cover, beginning and the rest of it. Also appendices need one style more but 
I'll figure that out by myself when I get there. No header or footer and 
pagenumbers restart. I believe that's easy.

It seems to be too big task for a newbie who just read trough some tutorials 
and FAQs. Results should be quite similiar so that when the document is printed 
(or PDFed) you can't say which one is from real tool and which is from MS Word.

I
 believe after I have lyxfile to play, I can copy, paste and adapt to the rest 
of document. Or is this one of those things that I have to just live with and 
hate those who made computer easy to use?

Thanks in advance,
Hannu Vuolasaho


  

Problem integrating a bibtex-style

[Sandro Portmann]

Hi guys

I want to implement a new cite style into LyX 1.6.9 on my Mac OS X 10.6.6. It's 
the ¨Historische Zeitschrift¨ style, which I have downloaded here 
http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml. The 
README file, distributed on the page doesn't help me much, so I hope, that 
anybody here can help me.

Best regards

Sandro

Hallo zusammen

Ich schreibs hier nochmals auf Deutsch, da mein English nicht gerade der Hammer 
ist.

Ich versuche nun schon seit längerem, den Zitierstil Historische Zeitung in 
LyX zu integrieren, und bringe es einfach nicht auf die Reihe. Ich hatte ihn 
hier http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml 
heruntergeladen. Mit der Instruktion, die in diesem File enthalten ist, kann 
ich leider nicht all zu viel anfangen, da ich den entsprechenden Ordner einfach 
nicht finde. Weiss jemand von euch, wie ich das hinkriege?

Beste Grüsse

Sandro

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Ronen Abravanel ron...@gmail.com wrote:
 How long should it be? A year ago I had one hour workshop on LyX in my

I highly doubt that it would exceed an hour.


 department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and in what scene
 LyX is different from word, and then about 40 minutes of demonstration of
 what can I do and how can I do that.

 If there is nothing better, I can translate my tutorial to English (few

What is the original language of the tutorial? Maybe I could digest it myself.


 beamer-slides, and 3 pages of do that in order to achieve this... list...

This is a nice idea for a tutorial, too.
Liviu



 Ronen

 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Dear all
 I think this is a very good idea.


 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:
  4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize
  LyX, but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to
  help. Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials for
  people, like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've also
  thought about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and 
  these
  materials would help provide a curriculum.)
 
 I will be holding a workshop on LyX to graduate types at my university
 and I'm not very sure where from to begin. Some ready materials
 (slides on the advantages of LyX/LaTeX over MS Word and the hord, step
 by step tutorials for creating your first document in LyX, using
 bibliography and fancier features) would be of enormous help.

 At the moment I plan to start with the 'Help  Documentation' in
 preparing my tutorial. Perhaps some of you have already passed through
 this experience and have some materials readily available? If so,
 please post them here.

 Regards
 Liviu





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Default label???

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

I'm now labelling all 57 chapters of my new book, and what a PITA!

First of all, there's no hotkey -- I have to do Insert-Label on every one. 
But even worse, the label defaults to the first three words, and often the 
first word is The. Is there a way to have the label default to the first 
five words? Or, perhaps give us a way to highlight the entire title and have 
that govern the label? Right now highlighting is no different from putting the 
cursor at the start, except that highlighting increases the risk of erasing 
the highlighted text.

I think that label insertion is common enough that it should be a fast 
process, and people's priorities differ enough that the default number of 
words should be changeable.

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Re: Default label???

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'm now labelling all 57 chapters of my new book, and what a PITA!

 First of all, there's no hotkey -- I have to do Insert-Label on every one.

At least for this you can easily define a custom shortcut. See the
docs (Customization and Functions, I think).


 But even worse, the label defaults to the first three words, and often the
 first word is The. Is there a way to have the label default to the first
 five words?

I have no idea, but this might be hardcoded. You have always the
option to change it in the sources and rebuild it for you needs.
Otherwise perhaps file a bug report.

Cheers
Liviu


 Or, perhaps give us a way to highlight the entire title and have
 that govern the label? Right now highlighting is no different from putting the
 cursor at the start, except that highlighting increases the risk of erasing
 the highlighted text.

 I think that label insertion is common enough that it should be a fast
 process, and people's priorities differ enough that the default number of
 words should be changeable.

 SteveT

 Steve Litt
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 http://www.recession-relief.US
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt





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Re: LyX Promotion

[John McCabe-Dansted]

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:
 While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that Pavel 
 hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to think 
 of it as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program which 
 helps professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even more 
 narrow, it seems like many think it is for math and physics people to write a 
 thesis or article.) Which is to say, a specialized program with an incredibly 
 small user base and use.

 While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I don't think anyone would argue 
 that many of the developers and users are within academics), it significantly 
 understates LyX's appeal, especially if you consider the enhancements 
 available in the

To the extent that the stereotype is true, it may also be worth
considering what the reasons are for this, and if it is reasonable to
remove those reasons. Off-the-top of my head the following could be
issues.

1) Compile Errors. Normal users aren't used to dealing with compile
errors and shouldn't be expected to fix them. Even I don't like
dealing with compile errors all that much.
1a) Perhaps we could do some sort of bisect to determine where the
error is (either over the file itself or some fine-grained history).
1b) Perhaps we could improve the latex export so that compile errors
only occur if the user uses ERT. Particularly with beamer, this isn't
always the case.

2) Compatibility with Word. Typical users expect to be able to open
and save word documents.
2a) It is easy to bundle import/export filters so that the users don't
have to manually set up OOXML and ODF. This export wouldn't work as
well as e.g. OOXML - ODF though. One concern is that it may lead the
user to think this conversion is more supported than it really is.
2b) Normal users probably expect rich text paste as well. I usually
prefer plain text paste myself as I don't want adhoc formatting
showing up in my LyX file. We could have the option of either.

3) Not WYSIWYG.  Normal users clearly expect WYSIWYG. WYSIWYG and
WYSIWYM don't need to be mutually exclusive.  Ignoring the difficulty
in implementing for a while, having a WYSIWYG mode would be great.
After the content is complete, I go though a cycle of: Notice
something weird with the line-breaking in the PDF, muck around with
the LyX source hoping it fixed the problem; recompile PDF. This can
take a while and having a WYSIWYG mode could make this process a
factor of ten times faster.
3a) Psuedo-WYSIWYG. I find it helps to set the size of the LyX window
to be the same width as the PDF, so if I see a problem on the third
line of a paragraph in the PDF I can go straight to the third line of
the paragraph in the LyX window and fix it. Presumably LyX could
approximate the line-breaking algorithm of TeX and do a much better
job than I can by merely adjusting the width of the window. This would
be sufficient for me, but normal users may find another
not-quite-WYSIWYG mode more confusing than reassuring.
3b) LyX could bypass LaTeX. This is clearly what normal users are used
to. However this presumably wouldn't help in my use case where I am
submitting to a journal that provides a LaTeX style file.


So it seems to me that e.g. (1) should be fixed, and should be perhaps
be dealt with before we market LyX as being for normal users. Even (3)
could be fixed, and it would be good if it could, but it doesn't seem
worth the effort at the moment. (It certainly doesn't seem like
something that we should sit on our hands waiting for, and may in fact
dilute the WYSIWYM message).


-- 
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Okular inverse search - automatically activate LyX

[Joon Ro]

Hi,It seems the inverse search from Okular only moves the cursor to the corresponding position in LyX, but it does not activate the LyX window. So I made the following script:lyxclient -g $1 $2wmctrl -a LyXsave it (here "/home/yourname/okular_inverse_search" for example), and in Configure Okular - Editor, select Custom Text Editor, and put the following:bash  /home/yourname/okular_inverse_search %f %lNow when you shift-right click on a line in Okular, it will do inverse search and then activate LyX automatically.Of course, you have to havewmctrl installed.Hope this is useful to somebody. :)-Joon

Re: LyX Promotion

[David L. Johnson]

On 03/22/2011 10:58 PM, John McCabe-Dansted wrote:


1) Compile Errors. Normal users aren't used to dealing with compile
errors and shouldn't be expected to fix them. Even I don't like
dealing with compile errors all that much.


With LyX you should not get compile errors unless you are doing 
something fancy.  It should be the case that no ERT = smooth 
compilation.  I can't recall the last time that was not the case with LyX.



1a) Perhaps we could do some sort of bisect to determine where the
error is (either over the file itself or some fine-grained history).


That is hard because sometimes TeX gets royally confused, and doesn't 
really understand what's wrong until far past the real mistake.



1b) Perhaps we could improve the latex export so that compile errors
only occur if the user uses ERT. Particularly with beamer, this isn't
always the case.


Well, AFAIK beamer is a new addition to LyX, and is not yet mature.


2) Compatibility with Word. Typical users expect to be able to open
and save word documents.
2a) It is easy to bundle import/export filters so that the users don't
have to manually set up OOXML and ODF. This export wouldn't work as
well as e.g. OOXML-  ODF though.


I really don't think this will work, since LyX documents have a lot more 
structure than word documents.  You can certainly import word documents 
successfully, but exporting them is going to lose a lot of structure. 
You don't want to be saving to word format and expect to get the right 
file when you import it into LyX again.



3) Not WYSIWYG.  Normal users clearly expect WYSIWYG. WYSIWYG and
WYSIWYM don't need to be mutually exclusive.


They are to an extent, since WYSIWYG really means that all the document 
contains is what you see on the screen, without additional structure 
that properly formats it for a number of different export situations.


Think about writing a document in word.  You spend time getting the 
spacing right, the margins to look right, and align all the bits of text 
by hand.  I never have to worry about that in LyX, since I trust TeX to 
get it right.


Ignoring the difficulty

in implementing for a while, having a WYSIWYG mode would be great.
After the content is complete, I go though a cycle of: Notice
something weird with the line-breaking in the PDF, muck around with
the LyX source hoping it fixed the problem;


No.  TeX handles all that, don't ask users to spend effort in dealing 
with how lines break.  Write the paper, let TeX format it.  I would not 
want to worry about how it looks on the page while writing, that is a 
bad habit that you can avoid with LyX.



recompile PDF. This can

take a while and having a WYSIWYG mode could make this process a
factor of ten times faster.


No, in my experience it creates the takes a while part.

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Re: Lyx-Hilfe Formatierungen

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-03-21, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 Anna Katharina Aichroth wrote:

 - Breite von 16cm sollte der Text etwa eine Länge von 25cm haben
 (inklusive Seitenzahl/ Kopfzeile)

 In Dokument  Einstellungen  LaTeX-Vorspann, insert:

 \usepackage[includehead,includefoot,height=25mm,width=16mm]{geometry}

The same can be achieved via the page layout tab in DocumentSettings
(Dokument  Einstellungen  Seitenlayout).

Günter

Re: Lyx-Hilfe Formatierungen

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Guenter Milde wrote:
  In Dokument  Einstellungen  LaTeX-Vorspann, insert:
  
  \usepackage[includehead,includefoot,height=25mm,width=16mm]{geometry}
 
 The same can be achieved via the page layout tab in DocumentSettings
 (Dokument  Einstellungen  Seitenlayout).

Yes, but in this case, the preamble version is more economic (both in terms of 
explanation and in terms of realisation).

Jürgen

Re: ANNOUNCE: Windows installer for RC1

[Wolfgang Keller]

 Note that this installer is based on fresh new code different from
 1.6 series and needs some testing from you.

This doesn't work with SumatraPDF(portable). It simply won't open the
viewer window when I hit the view button.

With 1.6.9, it did.

So with 2.0, I can only use Adobe Reader X-( -- if it is installed. If
it isn't, I can't do anything.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

BTW: The new icons for the pdf generation buttons are anti-intuitive. 

Re: Changing native dictionary language

[Christopher Reeve]

Thanks to you both. It worked. I had not thought to check in the document
settings as I assumed it was a global setting, but now I think about it, it
makes sense to be in the document settings. Because the default is a global
preference perhaps it would make sense for one to be able to change the
default setting also in one or two other places - such as in the spell
checker window or within the global preferences. That is my philosophy
anyway: that there should often be more than one way to do the same thing.
Cheers!

Re: LyX + arrows +beamer?

[Manveru]

2011/2/22 Paul A. Rubin ru...@msu.edu:
 On 02/21/2011 06:19 PM, i...@virginia.edu wrote:

 I just created a .lyx file with the code in your email an it works!
 Thanks!
 Another cool thing that I would like to be able to do with LyX is this
 http://www.texample.net/tikz/examples/gnuplot-basics/
 Is it possible?
 Thanks!
 -Ignacio

 Yes (example attached).  You obviously need to have Gnuplot installed.  You
 also need to modify the converter LyX uses.  In Tools  Preferences... 
 File Handling  Converters, highlight the LaTeX (pdflatex) - PDF (pdflatex)
 converter.  Change the converter line to

 pdflatex --shell-escape $$i

 and click Modify and then Save.

Keeping --shell-escape in PDF (pdflatex) converter is like asking for
troubles in other cases. I suggest to create another converter with
--shell-escape enabled keeping original one unaffected.

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LyX Promotion

[Rob Oakes]

Dear Users and Developers,

Thank you to both Pavel and Stefano for ollowing up with Google about why the 
GSoC application was turned down. Is there any way that I could help in that 
review? Stefano, will you be attending the IRC meeting to be held later today? 
I think it's very important that we understand why LyX was rejected as a 
mentoring organization, and I'd be willing to hep in any way necessary.

While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that Pavel hit 
the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to think of it 
as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program which helps 
professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even more narrow, it 
seems like many think it is for math and physics people to write a thesis or 
article.) Which is to say, a specialized program with an incredibly small user 
base and use.

While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I don't think anyone would argue 
that many of the developers and users are within academics), it significantly 
understates LyX's appeal, especially if you consider the enhancements available 
in the upcoming version. From my own personal experience, I've found LyX to be 
the most capable pre-press/writing tool I've ever come across. If I were a 
publishing company or involved in the creation of any type of documentation, I 
would be looking  at LyX very carefully. It's the only tool that I know that 
allows you to manage collaboration, typesetting the final output, and target 
both electronic and print from the same source. With the recent explosion of 
electronic publishing and eBooks, I think that makes it *highly* relevant.

Yet, I'm not sure that the wider community appreciates that. (Hearing Google's 
rationale for rejecting the GSoC application will help somewhat in clarifying 
how LyX is perceived.) Which really brings me to the reason I'm writing.

Would it be worth trying to promote LyX to people who might find it helpful? 

We've talked for a long time about writing a LyX book, which is an excellent 
and wonderful project. But what if we first tested those waters by tackling 
some smaller projects first?

For example:

1.) I just learned about a new open design magazine this morning, called 
LibreGraphics magazine (http://libregraphicsmag.com/). The goal of the 
publication is to help designers find tools for their work. It seems like an 
article about using LyX for book design would be a natural fit for their target 
audience. 

2.) In similar vein, the LibreGraphics meeting is also coming up. This year, it 
will be held in Montreal. LibreGraphics targets a similar demographic, and it 
seems like such a presentation would be a natural fit. Even better, they pay 
the travel expenses of presenters (http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2011/). 
Might anyone be interested in talking about using LyX to talk about book 
design, typography, or writing?

3.) It's been some time since Linux magazine or one of the other trade 
publications published a general purpose article on LyX. Might it be worth 
creating and submitting one? We might try and target Linux users magazine 
(http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/), ZdNet, or one of the large Linux blogs (like 
OMG!Ubuntu, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/).

4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX, but 
I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to help. Would 
it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials for people, like 
Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've also thought about 
teaching a design workshop through my local library, and these materials would 
help provide a curriculum.)

The tutorials could address some of the finer points of using LyX that are not 
covered in the manuals. For example, how do you collaborate using version 
control? What is the process for creating custom, typeset publications with LyX 
and LaTeX? We could publish cohesive examples and then walk through how the 
code works. They might describe principles of design, or typographical effects, 
and how they can be accomplished using LyX. Maybe we could create a writeup on 
how to prepare files for multiple output formats (print, web, eBook) using a 
single source. I'm sure that there are other tutorials that I'm overlooking.

Which really brings me to the point I want to make: if we target the right 
groups and create nice looking materials, it could go a long ways to clarifying 
LyX's position in the free-softare world. It's also likely that we might find 
developers to contribute time and code, businesses who would be willing to 
support future development, and others who could help grow the LyX user base.

Many of the other projects who were accepted seem to have dedicated 
marketing/promotion teams. Would it be worth trying to organize such an 
endeavor for LyX? It might provide a great way for less code savvy types to 
contribute to the project.

Cheers,

Rob

Re: LyX Promotion

[Rich Shepard]

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011, Rob Oakes wrote:


When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to think of it as a specialized
academic writing tool. Basically, a program which helps professors and
students write a thesis or articles. (To be even more narrow, it seems
like many think it is for math and physics people to write a thesis or
article.) Which is to say, a specialized program with an incredibly small
user base and use.

While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I don't think anyone would
argue that many of the developers and users are within academics),


  Feh! I do most of my writing with LyX: proposals, reports, letters,
newsletter, white papers, etc. I use OO Writer under duress; it's too
Microsoftish for me. If you look on our Web site at the downloadable
documents, almost all are typeset by TeX and I escaped academia 30 years
ago.

Rich

Re: ANNOUNCE: Windows installer for RC1

[Joost Verburg]

Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote in message 
news:20110322160249.b3332054.felip...@gmx.net...

This doesn't work with SumatraPDF(portable). It simply won't open the
viewer window when I hit the view button.


The PDF code should be identical to 1.6.9. I'll have a look.

Joost 

Re: LyX Promotion

[Manolo Martínez]

There is something that might help: wouldn't it be possible to add a
made with LyX tag alongside TeX and pdfTeX in the properties of the
resulting pdf?

It'd be an easy way to communicate that a nice document -that gets you
looking into its properties- was made with LyX.

M

Re: Changing native dictionary language

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Christopher Reeve wrote:
 Thanks to you both. It worked. I had not thought to check in the document
 settings as I assumed it was a global setting, but now I think about it, it
 makes sense to be in the document settings. Because the default is a global
 preference perhaps it would make sense for one to be able to change the
 default setting also in one or two other places - such as in the spell
 checker window or within the global preferences. That is my philosophy
 anyway: that there should often be more than one way to do the same thing.

The point here is not global preference vs. document setting. The point is 
that the UI language is completely separate from the document language. The 
fact that I use a German UI localization does not in any way determine in 
which language(s) I write my documents.

Having said that, you can change the default document language, as described 
in my first response: just hit the Save as Document Defaults button in the 
document settings dialog (as a matter of fact, there was a default language 
setting in the preferences in earlier LyX versions, but we removed it, in 
favour of the current template solution)

Jürgen

Re: LyX Promotion

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Manolo Martínez
man...@austrohungaro.com wrote:
 There is something that might help: wouldn't it be possible to add a
 made with LyX tag alongside TeX and pdfTeX in the properties of the
 resulting pdf?

Yes, I always thought that LyX should tag PDFs by 'Created with LyX'.
Is it difficult to achieve?
Liviu


 It'd be an easy way to communicate that a nice document -that gets you
 looking into its properties- was made with LyX.

 M





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tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Liviu Andronic]

Dear all
I think this is a very good idea.


On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:
 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX, 
 but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to help. 
 Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials for people, 
 like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've also thought 
 about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and these 
 materials would help provide a curriculum.)

I will be holding a workshop on LyX to graduate types at my university
and I'm not very sure where from to begin. Some ready materials
(slides on the advantages of LyX/LaTeX over MS Word and the hord, step
by step tutorials for creating your first document in LyX, using
bibliography and fancier features) would be of enormous help.

At the moment I plan to start with the 'Help  Documentation' in
preparing my tutorial. Perhaps some of you have already passed through
this experience and have some materials readily available? If so,
please post them here.

Regards
Liviu

Re: LyX Promotion

[Steve Litt]

On Tuesday 22 March 2011 11:58:22 Rich Shepard wrote:
 On Tue, 22 Mar 2011, Rob Oakes wrote:
  When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to think of it as a
  specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program which helps
  professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even more
  narrow, it seems like many think it is for math and physics people to
  write a thesis or article.) Which is to say, a specialized program with
  an incredibly small user base and use.
  
  While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I don't think anyone would
  argue that many of the developers and users are within academics),
 
Feh! I do most of my writing with LyX: proposals, reports, letters,
 newsletter, white papers, etc. I use OO Writer under duress; it's too
 Microsoftish for me.

Oh don't I wish it were too Microsoftish! If it were just like Word/Powerpoint 
I'd use it all the time -- Powerpoint is decent and Word is actually a good 
program. But N, OO imports word docs and changes all styles to 
fingerpainting. An OO made Powerpoint has stuff walking off the screen viewed 
in Powerpoint. I try never to use OO on anything more than three pages long, 
because I end up putting my fist through the wall. OO is utter junk.

The only time I use OO is the anding of the following:

1) The other guy simply MUST work in MS Office
2) The document is relatively simple
3) Exact appearance isn't important

An example is when my editor made queries to my book, and I responded to the 
queries, and the editor responded to my responses, ... I just kept making 
styles to accommodate ever increasing levels of response, and somehow the 
styles survived the round trip from MSWord to OO and back.

The next major revision of my courseware will be All-Beamer-All-The-Time (no 
LyX, just Beamer LaTeX). It's 1000 times easier to maintain and personalize 
than OOImpress viewed on MS Powerpoint.

Nowadays, all my letters are LyX letter template. Yeah, it's a PITA, and I 
think it's a silly use of LyX, but it's a whole lot better than OOWriter.

When writing a paper 5 pages or less, I use Abiword to get it done in a few 
minutes. Beyond 5 pages, I use LyX. LyX can be a PITA, but at least you know 
it will work.

And of course, when writing anything over 50 pages I use LyX. This is LyX's 
intended usage, and who in their right mind would use anything else for 50+ 
page docs?

OO has the worlds ugliest native file format. Several XML files zipped up. 
These files resemble a severely denormalized database -- everything depends on 
everything else, and any given change can affect four or five different XML 
sections and maybe multiple files. As a practical matter, I find it impossible 
to work with OO native format. Contrast this with LyX, which so far is fairly 
easy to write and parse from a Perl or Lua program.

Friends don't let friends use OO.

SteveT

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Re: LyX Promotion - use outside academia

[Paul Sutton]

On 22/03/11 15:51, Rob Oakes wrote:
 Dear Users and Developers,
 
 Thank you to both Pavel and Stefano for ollowing up with Google about why the 
 GSoC application was turned down. Is there any way that I could help in that 
 review? Stefano, will you be attending the IRC meeting to be held later 
 today? I think it's very important that we understand why LyX was rejected as 
 a mentoring organization, and I'd be willing to hep in any way necessary.
 
 While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that Pavel 
 hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to think 
 of it as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program which 
 helps professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even more 
 narrow, it seems like many think it is for math and physics people to write a 
 thesis or article.) Which is to say, a specialized program with an incredibly 
 small user base and use.
 
 While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I don't think anyone would argue 
 that many of the developers and users are within academics), it significantly 
 understates LyX's appeal, especially if you consider the enhancements 
 available in the upcoming version. From my own personal experience, I've 
 found LyX to be the most capable pre-press/writing tool I've ever come 
 across. If I were a publishing company or involved in the creation of any 
 type of documentation, I would be looking  at LyX very carefully. It's the 
 only tool that I know that allows you to manage collaboration, typesetting 
 the final output, and target both electronic and print from the same source. 
 With the recent explosion of electronic publishing and eBooks, I think that 
 makes it *highly* relevant.
 
 Yet, I'm not sure that the wider community appreciates that. (Hearing 
 Google's rationale for rejecting the GSoC application will help somewhat in 
 clarifying how LyX is perceived.) Which really brings me to the reason I'm 
 writing.
 
 Would it be worth trying to promote LyX to people who might find it helpful? 
 
 We've talked for a long time about writing a LyX book, which is an excellent 
 and wonderful project. But what if we first tested those waters by tackling 
 some smaller projects first?
 
 For example:
 
 1.) I just learned about a new open design magazine this morning, called 
 LibreGraphics magazine (http://libregraphicsmag.com/). The goal of the 
 publication is to help designers find tools for their work. It seems like an 
 article about using LyX for book design would be a natural fit for their 
 target audience. 
 
 2.) In similar vein, the LibreGraphics meeting is also coming up. This year, 
 it will be held in Montreal. LibreGraphics targets a similar demographic, and 
 it seems like such a presentation would be a natural fit. Even better, they 
 pay the travel expenses of presenters 
 (http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2011/). Might anyone be interested in 
 talking about using LyX to talk about book design, typography, or writing?
 
 3.) It's been some time since Linux magazine or one of the other trade 
 publications published a general purpose article on LyX. Might it be worth 
 creating and submitting one? We might try and target Linux users magazine 
 (http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/), ZdNet, or one of the large Linux blogs (like 
 OMG!Ubuntu, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/).
 
 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX, 
 but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to help. 
 Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials for people, 
 like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've also thought 
 about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and these 
 materials would help provide a curriculum.)
 
 The tutorials could address some of the finer points of using LyX that are 
 not covered in the manuals. For example, how do you collaborate using version 
 control? What is the process for creating custom, typeset publications with 
 LyX and LaTeX? We could publish cohesive examples and then walk through how 
 the code works. They might describe principles of design, or typographical 
 effects, and how they can be accomplished using LyX. Maybe we could create a 
 writeup on how to prepare files for multiple output formats (print, web, 
 eBook) using a single source. I'm sure that there are other tutorials that 
 I'm overlooking.
 
 Which really brings me to the point I want to make: if we target the right 
 groups and create nice looking materials, it could go a long ways to 
 clarifying LyX's position in the free-softare world. It's also likely that we 
 might find developers to contribute time and code, businesses who would be 
 willing to support future development, and others who could help grow the LyX 
 user base.
 
 Many of the other projects who were accepted seem to have dedicated 
 marketing/promotion teams. Would it be worth trying to organize such an 
 endeavor for 

Re: LyX Promotion

[Paul Sutton]

 The next major revision of my courseware will be All-Beamer-All-The-Time (no 
 LyX, just Beamer LaTeX). It's 1000 times easier to maintain and personalize 
 than OOImpress viewed on MS Powerpoint.
 
 Nowadays, all my letters are LyX letter template. Yeah, it's a PITA, and I 
 think it's a silly use of LyX, but it's a whole lot better than OOWriter.
 
 When writing a paper 5 pages or less, I use Abiword to get it done in a few 
 minutes. Beyond 5 pages, I use LyX. LyX can be a PITA, but at least you know 
 it will work.
 
 And of course, when writing anything over 50 pages I use LyX. This is LyX's 
 intended usage, and who in their right mind would use anything else for 50+ 
 page docs?


A book on LyX could be useful but you raise an important point here,
what perhaps needs to be got across is when do you use LyX when does
this stop and LaTeX takes over or perhaps the other way round.

something to think about

Paul

Re: LyX Promotion

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

 Op 22-3-2011 17:59, Steve Litt schreef:

The next major revision of my courseware will be All-Beamer-All-The-Time (no
LyX, just Beamer LaTeX). It's 1000 times easier to maintain and personalize
than OOImpress viewed on MS Powerpoint.


You would have loved the new LyX Presentation Mode:

http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel/SummerOfCode2011Ideas#toc3

(if we weren't rejected of course ;))

Vincent

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Paul Sutton]

On 22/03/11 16:38, Liviu Andronic wrote:
 Dear all
 I think this is a very good idea.
 
 
 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:
 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX, 
 but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to help. 
 Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials for people, 
 like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've also thought 
 about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and these 
 materials would help provide a curriculum.)

 I will be holding a workshop on LyX to graduate types at my university
 and I'm not very sure where from to begin. Some ready materials
 (slides on the advantages of LyX/LaTeX over MS Word and the hord, step
 by step tutorials for creating your first document in LyX, using
 bibliography and fancier features) would be of enormous help.
 
 At the moment I plan to start with the 'Help  Documentation' in
 preparing my tutorial. Perhaps some of you have already passed through
 this experience and have some materials readily available? If so,
 please post them here.
 
 Regards
 Liviu


You may want to contact Joseph Wright at the UK TeX user group as they
do introductory courses on LaTeX, for some pointers.  The website below
gives details on what the course covers so perhaps if your course did
the same but using LyX and you are able to collaborate it would be a
useful for people going from one to the other or using both,

http://uk.tug.org/

Hope this helps

Paul Sutton


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SV: Help me out of .doc

[Ingar Pareliussen]

 Hi

I made small edition to my final thesis in Word and now it looks terrible 
again. 
I want to get rid of it. I have more important things to do than keep 
document's 
layout in looking good.

I feel your pain. It was a similar experience with word that made me change to 
LyX
in 1999. However, if you do not have a week to familiarize yourself with LyX and
LaTeX you should finish your thesis in word first, and then learn LyX.

I have been playing with openoffice writer2latex and lyx for several hours 
without 
notable success.

Sadly, writer2latex tries to conserve as much as possible of the  layout and 
that
makes the LaTeX code in my opinion ugly and not really compatible with LyX. 
So I would say that using writer2latex is a not an option, sorry :). Maybe
somebody have other opinions about writer2latex, and how to make it
behave, and I guess they will tell us so. :)

The  best way forward if you have the time is to find a thesis-lyx-layout that 
resembles your layout and put your text into it. You should also read the
LyX Help-introduction and tutorial. Then when you find something you need
to change, you can ask the mailing list (after checking the wiki ;-) ).

Here are a starting point to some thesis-lyx-layouts:
http://wiki.lyx.org/Examples/Thesis
http://www.thesis-template.com/

Finally, dropping word is possible the best choice you can do, however, learning
LyX is necessary to utilize it... But I have never met anybody not being happy
after learning LyX :).

hth,
Ingar Pareliussen

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Ronen Abravanel]

How long should it be? A year ago I had one hour workshop on LyX in my
department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and in what scene
LyX is different from word, and then about 40 minutes of demonstration of
what can I do and how can I do that.

If there is nothing better, I can translate my tutorial to English (few
beamer-slides, and 3 pages of do that in order to achieve this... list...

Ronen

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dear all
 I think this is a very good idea.


 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:
  4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize
 LyX, but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to
 help. Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials for
 people, like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've also
 thought about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and these
 materials would help provide a curriculum.)
 
 I will be holding a workshop on LyX to graduate types at my university
 and I'm not very sure where from to begin. Some ready materials
 (slides on the advantages of LyX/LaTeX over MS Word and the hord, step
 by step tutorials for creating your first document in LyX, using
 bibliography and fancier features) would be of enormous help.

 At the moment I plan to start with the 'Help  Documentation' in
 preparing my tutorial. Perhaps some of you have already passed through
 this experience and have some materials readily available? If so,
 please post them here.

 Regards
 Liviu

Re: Help me out of .doc

[John Kane]

Hi Hannu, 

I'm afraid I don't know enough about LyX to help.  However I had a quick look 
at it in OpenOffice.org and assuming it imported correctly, which it seems to 
have, it seems like a typically badly laid-out Word document.  I can see why 
any little thing could mess it up.

I think Ingar's suggestion is a good one.  

You actually have three page styles, 10 paragraph styles and four character 
styles in use in the document if OOo is reading it properly.

I have used both LyX and OOo to reformat papers and it's usually easier to 
paste the text in as plain text and work from there. 

 I don't know about LyX but if you understand OOo styles -- environments in LyX 
terms -- it would probably be a fairly easy job to create the needed styles -- 
if they don't exist -- in OOo ;and just quickly reformat the whole thing.  

In OOo you would need to understand the use of Styles See 
[url=http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Chapters][b]OOo
 Authors[/b][/url]

--- On Mon, 3/21/11, Hannu Vuolasaho vuo...@msn.com wrote:

From: Hannu Vuolasaho vuo...@msn.com
Subject: Help me out of .doc
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Received: Monday, March 21, 2011, 9:08 PM


Hello!

I made small edition to my final thesis in Word and now it looks terrible 
again. I want to get rid of it. I have more important things to do than keep 
document's layout in looking good.

I have been playing with openoffice writer2latex and lyx for several hours 
without notable success.

So could someone import this template doc 
http://edu3.tokem.fi/TIEDOSTOT/Tekniikka/Opinnaytetyon_malli_Versio_3_3_21_9_2010.doc
 to lyx and send it back to me if I ask nicely? That doc has three styles. 
Cover, beginning and the rest of it. Also appendices need one style more but 
I'll figure that out by myself when I get there. No header or footer and 
pagenumbers restart. I believe that's easy.

It seems to be too big task for a newbie who just read trough some tutorials 
and FAQs. Results should be quite similiar so that when the document is printed 
(or PDFed) you can't say which one is from real tool and which is from MS Word.

I
 believe after I have lyxfile to play, I can copy, paste and adapt to the rest 
of document. Or is this one of those things that I have to just live with and 
hate those who made computer easy to use?

Thanks in advance,
Hannu Vuolasaho


  

Problem integrating a bibtex-style

[Sandro Portmann]

Hi guys

I want to implement a new cite style into LyX 1.6.9 on my Mac OS X 10.6.6. It's 
the ¨Historische Zeitschrift¨ style, which I have downloaded here 
http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml. The 
README file, distributed on the page doesn't help me much, so I hope, that 
anybody here can help me.

Best regards

Sandro

Hallo zusammen

Ich schreibs hier nochmals auf Deutsch, da mein English nicht gerade der Hammer 
ist.

Ich versuche nun schon seit längerem, den Zitierstil Historische Zeitung in 
LyX zu integrieren, und bringe es einfach nicht auf die Reihe. Ich hatte ihn 
hier http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml 
heruntergeladen. Mit der Instruktion, die in diesem File enthalten ist, kann 
ich leider nicht all zu viel anfangen, da ich den entsprechenden Ordner einfach 
nicht finde. Weiss jemand von euch, wie ich das hinkriege?

Beste Grüsse

Sandro

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Ronen Abravanel ron...@gmail.com wrote:
 How long should it be? A year ago I had one hour workshop on LyX in my

I highly doubt that it would exceed an hour.


 department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and in what scene
 LyX is different from word, and then about 40 minutes of demonstration of
 what can I do and how can I do that.

 If there is nothing better, I can translate my tutorial to English (few

What is the original language of the tutorial? Maybe I could digest it myself.


 beamer-slides, and 3 pages of do that in order to achieve this... list...

This is a nice idea for a tutorial, too.
Liviu



 Ronen

 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Dear all
 I think this is a very good idea.


 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:
  4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize
  LyX, but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to
  help. Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials for
  people, like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've also
  thought about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and 
  these
  materials would help provide a curriculum.)
 
 I will be holding a workshop on LyX to graduate types at my university
 and I'm not very sure where from to begin. Some ready materials
 (slides on the advantages of LyX/LaTeX over MS Word and the hord, step
 by step tutorials for creating your first document in LyX, using
 bibliography and fancier features) would be of enormous help.

 At the moment I plan to start with the 'Help  Documentation' in
 preparing my tutorial. Perhaps some of you have already passed through
 this experience and have some materials readily available? If so,
 please post them here.

 Regards
 Liviu





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Default label???

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

I'm now labelling all 57 chapters of my new book, and what a PITA!

First of all, there's no hotkey -- I have to do Insert-Label on every one. 
But even worse, the label defaults to the first three words, and often the 
first word is The. Is there a way to have the label default to the first 
five words? Or, perhaps give us a way to highlight the entire title and have 
that govern the label? Right now highlighting is no different from putting the 
cursor at the start, except that highlighting increases the risk of erasing 
the highlighted text.

I think that label insertion is common enough that it should be a fast 
process, and people's priorities differ enough that the default number of 
words should be changeable.

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Re: Default label???

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'm now labelling all 57 chapters of my new book, and what a PITA!

 First of all, there's no hotkey -- I have to do Insert-Label on every one.

At least for this you can easily define a custom shortcut. See the
docs (Customization and Functions, I think).


 But even worse, the label defaults to the first three words, and often the
 first word is The. Is there a way to have the label default to the first
 five words?

I have no idea, but this might be hardcoded. You have always the
option to change it in the sources and rebuild it for you needs.
Otherwise perhaps file a bug report.

Cheers
Liviu


 Or, perhaps give us a way to highlight the entire title and have
 that govern the label? Right now highlighting is no different from putting the
 cursor at the start, except that highlighting increases the risk of erasing
 the highlighted text.

 I think that label insertion is common enough that it should be a fast
 process, and people's priorities differ enough that the default number of
 words should be changeable.

 SteveT

 Steve Litt
 Recession Relief Package
 http://www.recession-relief.US
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt





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Re: LyX Promotion

[John McCabe-Dansted]

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:
 While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that Pavel 
 hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to think 
 of it as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program which 
 helps professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even more 
 narrow, it seems like many think it is for math and physics people to write a 
 thesis or article.) Which is to say, a specialized program with an incredibly 
 small user base and use.

 While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I don't think anyone would argue 
 that many of the developers and users are within academics), it significantly 
 understates LyX's appeal, especially if you consider the enhancements 
 available in the

To the extent that the stereotype is true, it may also be worth
considering what the reasons are for this, and if it is reasonable to
remove those reasons. Off-the-top of my head the following could be
issues.

1) Compile Errors. Normal users aren't used to dealing with compile
errors and shouldn't be expected to fix them. Even I don't like
dealing with compile errors all that much.
1a) Perhaps we could do some sort of bisect to determine where the
error is (either over the file itself or some fine-grained history).
1b) Perhaps we could improve the latex export so that compile errors
only occur if the user uses ERT. Particularly with beamer, this isn't
always the case.

2) Compatibility with Word. Typical users expect to be able to open
and save word documents.
2a) It is easy to bundle import/export filters so that the users don't
have to manually set up OOXML and ODF. This export wouldn't work as
well as e.g. OOXML - ODF though. One concern is that it may lead the
user to think this conversion is more supported than it really is.
2b) Normal users probably expect rich text paste as well. I usually
prefer plain text paste myself as I don't want adhoc formatting
showing up in my LyX file. We could have the option of either.

3) Not WYSIWYG.  Normal users clearly expect WYSIWYG. WYSIWYG and
WYSIWYM don't need to be mutually exclusive.  Ignoring the difficulty
in implementing for a while, having a WYSIWYG mode would be great.
After the content is complete, I go though a cycle of: Notice
something weird with the line-breaking in the PDF, muck around with
the LyX source hoping it fixed the problem; recompile PDF. This can
take a while and having a WYSIWYG mode could make this process a
factor of ten times faster.
3a) Psuedo-WYSIWYG. I find it helps to set the size of the LyX window
to be the same width as the PDF, so if I see a problem on the third
line of a paragraph in the PDF I can go straight to the third line of
the paragraph in the LyX window and fix it. Presumably LyX could
approximate the line-breaking algorithm of TeX and do a much better
job than I can by merely adjusting the width of the window. This would
be sufficient for me, but normal users may find another
not-quite-WYSIWYG mode more confusing than reassuring.
3b) LyX could bypass LaTeX. This is clearly what normal users are used
to. However this presumably wouldn't help in my use case where I am
submitting to a journal that provides a LaTeX style file.


So it seems to me that e.g. (1) should be fixed, and should be perhaps
be dealt with before we market LyX as being for normal users. Even (3)
could be fixed, and it would be good if it could, but it doesn't seem
worth the effort at the moment. (It certainly doesn't seem like
something that we should sit on our hands waiting for, and may in fact
dilute the WYSIWYM message).


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Okular inverse search - automatically activate LyX

[Joon Ro]

Hi,It seems the inverse search from Okular only moves the cursor to the corresponding position in LyX, but it does not activate the LyX window. So I made the following script:lyxclient -g $1 $2wmctrl -a LyXsave it (here "/home/yourname/okular_inverse_search" for example), and in Configure Okular - Editor, select Custom Text Editor, and put the following:bash  /home/yourname/okular_inverse_search %f %lNow when you shift-right click on a line in Okular, it will do inverse search and then activate LyX automatically.Of course, you have to havewmctrl installed.Hope this is useful to somebody. :)-Joon

Re: LyX Promotion

[David L. Johnson]

On 03/22/2011 10:58 PM, John McCabe-Dansted wrote:


1) Compile Errors. Normal users aren't used to dealing with compile
errors and shouldn't be expected to fix them. Even I don't like
dealing with compile errors all that much.


With LyX you should not get compile errors unless you are doing 
something fancy.  It should be the case that no ERT = smooth 
compilation.  I can't recall the last time that was not the case with LyX.



1a) Perhaps we could do some sort of bisect to determine where the
error is (either over the file itself or some fine-grained history).


That is hard because sometimes TeX gets royally confused, and doesn't 
really understand what's wrong until far past the real mistake.



1b) Perhaps we could improve the latex export so that compile errors
only occur if the user uses ERT. Particularly with beamer, this isn't
always the case.


Well, AFAIK beamer is a new addition to LyX, and is not yet mature.


2) Compatibility with Word. Typical users expect to be able to open
and save word documents.
2a) It is easy to bundle import/export filters so that the users don't
have to manually set up OOXML and ODF. This export wouldn't work as
well as e.g. OOXML-  ODF though.


I really don't think this will work, since LyX documents have a lot more 
structure than word documents.  You can certainly import word documents 
successfully, but exporting them is going to lose a lot of structure. 
You don't want to be saving to word format and expect to get the right 
file when you import it into LyX again.



3) Not WYSIWYG.  Normal users clearly expect WYSIWYG. WYSIWYG and
WYSIWYM don't need to be mutually exclusive.


They are to an extent, since WYSIWYG really means that all the document 
contains is what you see on the screen, without additional structure 
that properly formats it for a number of different export situations.


Think about writing a document in word.  You spend time getting the 
spacing right, the margins to look right, and align all the bits of text 
by hand.  I never have to worry about that in LyX, since I trust TeX to 
get it right.


Ignoring the difficulty

in implementing for a while, having a WYSIWYG mode would be great.
After the content is complete, I go though a cycle of: Notice
something weird with the line-breaking in the PDF, muck around with
the LyX source hoping it fixed the problem;


No.  TeX handles all that, don't ask users to spend effort in dealing 
with how lines break.  Write the paper, let TeX format it.  I would not 
want to worry about how it looks on the page while writing, that is a 
bad habit that you can avoid with LyX.



recompile PDF. This can

take a while and having a WYSIWYG mode could make this process a
factor of ten times faster.


No, in my experience it creates the takes a while part.

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Re: Lyx-Hilfe Formatierungen

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-03-21, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> Anna Katharina Aichroth wrote:

>> - Breite von 16cm sollte der Text etwa eine Länge von 25cm haben
>> (inklusive Seitenzahl/ Kopfzeile)

> In Dokument > Einstellungen > LaTeX-Vorspann, insert:

> \usepackage[includehead,includefoot,height=25mm,width=16mm]{geometry}

The same can be achieved via the page layout tab in Document>Settings
(Dokument > Einstellungen > Seitenlayout).

Günter

Re: Lyx-Hilfe Formatierungen

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Guenter Milde wrote:
> > In Dokument > Einstellungen > LaTeX-Vorspann, insert:
> > 
> > \usepackage[includehead,includefoot,height=25mm,width=16mm]{geometry}
> 
> The same can be achieved via the page layout tab in Document>Settings
> (Dokument > Einstellungen > Seitenlayout).

Yes, but in this case, the preamble version is more economic (both in terms of 
explanation and in terms of realisation).

Jürgen

Re: ANNOUNCE: Windows installer for RC1

[Wolfgang Keller]

> Note that this installer is based on fresh new code different from
> 1.6 series and needs some testing from you.

This doesn't work with SumatraPDF(portable). It simply won't open the
viewer window when I hit the "view" button.

With 1.6.9, it did.

So with 2.0, I can only use Adobe Reader X-( -- if it is installed. If
it isn't, I can't do anything.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

BTW: The new icons for the pdf generation buttons are anti-intuitive. 

Re: Changing native dictionary language

[Christopher Reeve]

Thanks to you both. It worked. I had not thought to check in the document
settings as I assumed it was a global setting, but now I think about it, it
makes sense to be in the document settings. Because the default is a global
preference perhaps it would make sense for one to be able to change the
default setting also in one or two other places - such as in the spell
checker window or within the global preferences. That is my philosophy
anyway: that there should often be more than one way to do the same thing.
Cheers!

Re: LyX + arrows +beamer?

[Manveru]

2011/2/22 Paul A. Rubin :
> On 02/21/2011 06:19 PM, i...@virginia.edu wrote:
>
> I just created a .lyx file with the code in your email an it works!
> Thanks!
> Another cool thing that I would like to be able to do with LyX is this
> http://www.texample.net/tikz/examples/gnuplot-basics/
> Is it possible?
> Thanks!
> -Ignacio
>
> Yes (example attached).  You obviously need to have Gnuplot installed.  You
> also need to modify the converter LyX uses.  In Tools > Preferences... >
> File Handling > Converters, highlight the LaTeX (pdflatex) -> PDF (pdflatex)
> converter.  Change the converter line to
>
> pdflatex --shell-escape $$i
>
> and click Modify and then Save.

Keeping --shell-escape in PDF (pdflatex) converter is like asking for
troubles in other cases. I suggest to create another converter with
--shell-escape enabled keeping original one unaffected.

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LyX Promotion

[Rob Oakes]

Dear Users and Developers,

Thank you to both Pavel and Stefano for ollowing up with Google about why the 
GSoC application was turned down. Is there any way that I could help in that 
review? Stefano, will you be attending the IRC meeting to be held later today? 
I think it's very important that we understand why LyX was rejected as a 
mentoring organization, and I'd be willing to hep in any way necessary.

While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that Pavel hit 
the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to think of it 
as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program which helps 
professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even more narrow, it 
seems like many think it is for math and physics people to write a thesis or 
article.) Which is to say, a specialized program with an incredibly small user 
base and use.

While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I don't think anyone would argue 
that many of the developers and users are within academics), it significantly 
understates LyX's appeal, especially if you consider the enhancements available 
in the upcoming version. From my own personal experience, I've found LyX to be 
the most capable pre-press/writing tool I've ever come across. If I were a 
publishing company or involved in the creation of any type of documentation, I 
would be looking  at LyX very carefully. It's the only tool that I know that 
allows you to manage collaboration, typesetting the final output, and target 
both electronic and print from the same source. With the recent explosion of 
electronic publishing and eBooks, I think that makes it *highly* relevant.

Yet, I'm not sure that the wider community appreciates that. (Hearing Google's 
rationale for rejecting the GSoC application will help somewhat in clarifying 
how LyX is perceived.) Which really brings me to the reason I'm writing.

Would it be worth trying to promote LyX to people who might find it helpful? 

We've talked for a long time about writing a LyX book, which is an excellent 
and wonderful project. But what if we first tested those waters by tackling 
some smaller projects first?

For example:

1.) I just learned about a new open design magazine this morning, called 
LibreGraphics magazine (http://libregraphicsmag.com/). The goal of the 
publication is to help designers find tools for their work. It seems like an 
article about using LyX for book design would be a natural fit for their target 
audience. 

2.) In similar vein, the LibreGraphics meeting is also coming up. This year, it 
will be held in Montreal. LibreGraphics targets a similar demographic, and it 
seems like such a presentation would be a natural fit. Even better, they pay 
the travel expenses of presenters (http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2011/). 
Might anyone be interested in talking about using LyX to talk about book 
design, typography, or writing?

3.) It's been some time since Linux magazine or one of the other trade 
publications published a general purpose article on LyX. Might it be worth 
creating and submitting one? We might try and target Linux users magazine 
(http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/), ZdNet, or one of the large Linux blogs (like 
OMG!Ubuntu, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/).

4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX, but 
I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to help. Would 
it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials for people, like 
Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've also thought about 
teaching a design workshop through my local library, and these materials would 
help provide a curriculum.)

The tutorials could address some of the finer points of using LyX that are not 
covered in the manuals. For example, how do you collaborate using version 
control? What is the process for creating custom, typeset publications with LyX 
and LaTeX? We could publish cohesive examples and then walk through how the 
code works. They might describe principles of design, or typographical effects, 
and how they can be accomplished using LyX. Maybe we could create a writeup on 
how to prepare files for multiple output formats (print, web, eBook) using a 
single source. I'm sure that there are other tutorials that I'm overlooking.

Which really brings me to the point I want to make: if we target the right 
groups and create nice looking materials, it could go a long ways to clarifying 
LyX's position in the free-softare world. It's also likely that we might find 
developers to contribute time and code, businesses who would be willing to 
support future development, and others who could help grow the LyX user base.

Many of the other projects who were accepted seem to have dedicated 
marketing/promotion teams. Would it be worth trying to organize such an 
endeavor for LyX? It might provide a great way for less code savvy types to 
contribute to the project.

Cheers,

Rob

Re: LyX Promotion

[Rich Shepard]

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011, Rob Oakes wrote:


When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to think of it as a specialized
academic writing tool. Basically, a program which helps professors and
students write a thesis or articles. (To be even more narrow, it seems
like many think it is for math and physics people to write a thesis or
article.) Which is to say, a specialized program with an incredibly small
user base and use.

While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I don't think anyone would
argue that many of the developers and users are within academics),


  Feh! I do most of my writing with LyX: proposals, reports, letters,
newsletter, white papers, etc. I use OO Writer under duress; it's too
Microsoftish for me. If you look on our Web site at the downloadable
documents, almost all are typeset by TeX and I escaped academia 30 years
ago.

Rich

Re: ANNOUNCE: Windows installer for RC1

[Joost Verburg]

"Wolfgang Keller"  wrote in message 
news:20110322160249.b3332054.felip...@gmx.net...

This doesn't work with SumatraPDF(portable). It simply won't open the
viewer window when I hit the "view" button.


The PDF code should be identical to 1.6.9. I'll have a look.

Joost 

Re: LyX Promotion

[Manolo Martínez]

There is something that might help: wouldn't it be possible to add a
"made with LyX" tag alongside TeX and pdfTeX in the properties of the
resulting pdf?

It'd be an easy way to communicate that a nice document -that gets you
looking into its properties- was made with LyX.

M

Re: Changing native dictionary language

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Christopher Reeve wrote:
> Thanks to you both. It worked. I had not thought to check in the document
> settings as I assumed it was a global setting, but now I think about it, it
> makes sense to be in the document settings. Because the default is a global
> preference perhaps it would make sense for one to be able to change the
> default setting also in one or two other places - such as in the spell
> checker window or within the global preferences. That is my philosophy
> anyway: that there should often be more than one way to do the same thing.

The point here is not "global preference" vs. "document setting". The point is 
that the UI language is completely separate from the document language. The 
fact that I use a German UI localization does not in any way determine in 
which language(s) I write my documents.

Having said that, you can change the default document language, as described 
in my first response: just hit the "Save as Document Defaults" button in the 
document settings dialog (as a matter of fact, there was a "default language" 
setting in the preferences in earlier LyX versions, but we removed it, in 
favour of the current "template" solution)

Jürgen

Re: LyX Promotion

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Manolo Martínez
 wrote:
> There is something that might help: wouldn't it be possible to add a
> "made with LyX" tag alongside TeX and pdfTeX in the properties of the
> resulting pdf?
>
Yes, I always thought that LyX should tag PDFs by 'Created with LyX'.
Is it difficult to achieve?
Liviu


> It'd be an easy way to communicate that a nice document -that gets you
> looking into its properties- was made with LyX.
>
> M
>
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tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Liviu Andronic]

Dear all
I think this is a very good idea.


On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes  wrote:
> 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX, 
> but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to help. 
> Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials for people, 
> like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've also thought 
> about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and these 
> materials would help provide a curriculum.)
>
I will be holding a workshop on LyX to graduate types at my university
and I'm not very sure where from to begin. Some ready materials
(slides on the advantages of LyX/LaTeX over MS Word and the hord, step
by step tutorials for creating your first document in LyX, using
bibliography and fancier features) would be of enormous help.

At the moment I plan to start with the 'Help > Documentation' in
preparing my tutorial. Perhaps some of you have already passed through
this experience and have some materials readily available? If so,
please post them here.

Regards
Liviu

Re: LyX Promotion

[Steve Litt]

On Tuesday 22 March 2011 11:58:22 Rich Shepard wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2011, Rob Oakes wrote:
> > When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to think of it as a
> > specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program which helps
> > professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even more
> > narrow, it seems like many think it is for math and physics people to
> > write a thesis or article.) Which is to say, a specialized program with
> > an incredibly small user base and use.
> > 
> > While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I don't think anyone would
> > argue that many of the developers and users are within academics),
> 
>Feh! I do most of my writing with LyX: proposals, reports, letters,
> newsletter, white papers, etc. I use OO Writer under duress; it's too
> Microsoftish for me.

Oh don't I wish it were too Microsoftish! If it were just like Word/Powerpoint 
I'd use it all the time -- Powerpoint is decent and Word is actually a good 
program. But N, OO imports word docs and changes all styles to 
fingerpainting. An OO made Powerpoint has stuff walking off the screen viewed 
in Powerpoint. I try never to use OO on anything more than three pages long, 
because I end up putting my fist through the wall. OO is utter junk.

The only time I use OO is the anding of the following:

1) The other guy simply MUST work in MS Office
2) The document is relatively simple
3) Exact appearance isn't important

An example is when my editor made queries to my book, and I responded to the 
queries, and the editor responded to my responses, ... I just kept making 
styles to accommodate ever increasing levels of response, and somehow the 
styles survived the round trip from MSWord to OO and back.

The next major revision of my courseware will be All-Beamer-All-The-Time (no 
LyX, just Beamer LaTeX). It's 1000 times easier to maintain and personalize 
than OOImpress viewed on MS Powerpoint.

Nowadays, all my letters are LyX letter template. Yeah, it's a PITA, and I 
think it's a silly use of LyX, but it's a whole lot better than OOWriter.

When writing a paper 5 pages or less, I use Abiword to get it done in a few 
minutes. Beyond 5 pages, I use LyX. LyX can be a PITA, but at least you know 
it will work.

And of course, when writing anything over 50 pages I use LyX. This is LyX's 
intended usage, and who in their right mind would use anything else for 50+ 
page docs?

OO has the worlds ugliest native file format. Several XML files zipped up. 
These files resemble a severely denormalized database -- everything depends on 
everything else, and any given change can affect four or five different XML 
sections and maybe multiple files. As a practical matter, I find it impossible 
to work with OO native format. Contrast this with LyX, which so far is fairly 
easy to write and parse from a Perl or Lua program.

Friends don't let friends use OO.

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Re: LyX Promotion - use outside academia

[Paul Sutton]

On 22/03/11 15:51, Rob Oakes wrote:
> Dear Users and Developers,
> 
> Thank you to both Pavel and Stefano for ollowing up with Google about why the 
> GSoC application was turned down. Is there any way that I could help in that 
> review? Stefano, will you be attending the IRC meeting to be held later 
> today? I think it's very important that we understand why LyX was rejected as 
> a mentoring organization, and I'd be willing to hep in any way necessary.
> 
> While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that Pavel 
> hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to think 
> of it as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program which 
> helps professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even more 
> narrow, it seems like many think it is for math and physics people to write a 
> thesis or article.) Which is to say, a specialized program with an incredibly 
> small user base and use.
> 
> While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I don't think anyone would argue 
> that many of the developers and users are within academics), it significantly 
> understates LyX's appeal, especially if you consider the enhancements 
> available in the upcoming version. From my own personal experience, I've 
> found LyX to be the most capable pre-press/writing tool I've ever come 
> across. If I were a publishing company or involved in the creation of any 
> type of documentation, I would be looking  at LyX very carefully. It's the 
> only tool that I know that allows you to manage collaboration, typesetting 
> the final output, and target both electronic and print from the same source. 
> With the recent explosion of electronic publishing and eBooks, I think that 
> makes it *highly* relevant.
> 
> Yet, I'm not sure that the wider community appreciates that. (Hearing 
> Google's rationale for rejecting the GSoC application will help somewhat in 
> clarifying how LyX is perceived.) Which really brings me to the reason I'm 
> writing.
> 
> Would it be worth trying to promote LyX to people who might find it helpful? 
> 
> We've talked for a long time about writing a LyX book, which is an excellent 
> and wonderful project. But what if we first tested those waters by tackling 
> some smaller projects first?
> 
> For example:
> 
> 1.) I just learned about a new open design magazine this morning, called 
> LibreGraphics magazine (http://libregraphicsmag.com/). The goal of the 
> publication is to help designers find tools for their work. It seems like an 
> article about using LyX for book design would be a natural fit for their 
> target audience. 
> 
> 2.) In similar vein, the LibreGraphics meeting is also coming up. This year, 
> it will be held in Montreal. LibreGraphics targets a similar demographic, and 
> it seems like such a presentation would be a natural fit. Even better, they 
> pay the travel expenses of presenters 
> (http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2011/). Might anyone be interested in 
> talking about using LyX to talk about book design, typography, or writing?
> 
> 3.) It's been some time since Linux magazine or one of the other trade 
> publications published a general purpose article on LyX. Might it be worth 
> creating and submitting one? We might try and target Linux users magazine 
> (http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/), ZdNet, or one of the large Linux blogs (like 
> OMG!Ubuntu, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/).
> 
> 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX, 
> but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to help. 
> Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials for people, 
> like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've also thought 
> about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and these 
> materials would help provide a curriculum.)
> 
> The tutorials could address some of the finer points of using LyX that are 
> not covered in the manuals. For example, how do you collaborate using version 
> control? What is the process for creating custom, typeset publications with 
> LyX and LaTeX? We could publish cohesive examples and then walk through how 
> the code works. They might describe principles of design, or typographical 
> effects, and how they can be accomplished using LyX. Maybe we could create a 
> writeup on how to prepare files for multiple output formats (print, web, 
> eBook) using a single source. I'm sure that there are other tutorials that 
> I'm overlooking.
> 
> Which really brings me to the point I want to make: if we target the right 
> groups and create nice looking materials, it could go a long ways to 
> clarifying LyX's position in the free-softare world. It's also likely that we 
> might find developers to contribute time and code, businesses who would be 
> willing to support future development, and others who could help grow the LyX 
> user base.
> 
> Many of the other projects who were accepted seem to have dedicated 
> 

Re: LyX Promotion

[Paul Sutton]

> The next major revision of my courseware will be All-Beamer-All-The-Time (no 
> LyX, just Beamer LaTeX). It's 1000 times easier to maintain and personalize 
> than OOImpress viewed on MS Powerpoint.
> 
> Nowadays, all my letters are LyX letter template. Yeah, it's a PITA, and I 
> think it's a silly use of LyX, but it's a whole lot better than OOWriter.
> 
> When writing a paper 5 pages or less, I use Abiword to get it done in a few 
> minutes. Beyond 5 pages, I use LyX. LyX can be a PITA, but at least you know 
> it will work.
> 
> And of course, when writing anything over 50 pages I use LyX. This is LyX's 
> intended usage, and who in their right mind would use anything else for 50+ 
> page docs?


A book on LyX could be useful but you raise an important point here,
what perhaps needs to be got across is when do you use LyX when does
this stop and LaTeX takes over or perhaps the other way round.

something to think about

Paul

Re: LyX Promotion

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

 Op 22-3-2011 17:59, Steve Litt schreef:

The next major revision of my courseware will be All-Beamer-All-The-Time (no
LyX, just Beamer LaTeX). It's 1000 times easier to maintain and personalize
than OOImpress viewed on MS Powerpoint.


You would have loved the new "LyX Presentation Mode":

http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel/SummerOfCode2011Ideas#toc3

(if we weren't rejected of course ;))

Vincent

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Paul Sutton]

On 22/03/11 16:38, Liviu Andronic wrote:
> Dear all
> I think this is a very good idea.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes  wrote:
>> 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX, 
>> but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to help. 
>> Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials for people, 
>> like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've also thought 
>> about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and these 
>> materials would help provide a curriculum.)
>>
> I will be holding a workshop on LyX to graduate types at my university
> and I'm not very sure where from to begin. Some ready materials
> (slides on the advantages of LyX/LaTeX over MS Word and the hord, step
> by step tutorials for creating your first document in LyX, using
> bibliography and fancier features) would be of enormous help.
> 
> At the moment I plan to start with the 'Help > Documentation' in
> preparing my tutorial. Perhaps some of you have already passed through
> this experience and have some materials readily available? If so,
> please post them here.
> 
> Regards
> Liviu


You may want to contact Joseph Wright at the UK TeX user group as they
do introductory courses on LaTeX, for some pointers.  The website below
gives details on what the course covers so perhaps if your course did
the same but using LyX and you are able to collaborate it would be a
useful for people going from one to the other or using both,

http://uk.tug.org/

Hope this helps

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SV: Help me out of .doc

[Ingar Pareliussen]

 Hi

>I made small edition to my final thesis in Word and now it looks terrible 
>again. 
>I want to get rid of it. I have more important things to do than keep 
>document's 
>layout in looking good.

I feel your pain. It was a similar experience with word that made me change to 
LyX
in 1999. However, if you do not have a week to familiarize yourself with LyX and
LaTeX you should finish your thesis in word first, and then learn LyX.

>I have been playing with openoffice writer2latex and lyx for several hours 
>without 
>notable success.

Sadly, writer2latex tries to conserve as much as possible of the  layout and 
that
makes the LaTeX code in my opinion ugly and not really compatible with LyX. 
So I would say that using writer2latex is a not an option, sorry :). Maybe
somebody have other opinions about writer2latex, and how to make it
behave, and I guess they will tell us so. :)

The  best way forward if you have the time is to find a thesis-lyx-layout that 
resembles your layout and put your text into it. You should also read the
LyX Help->introduction and tutorial. Then when you find something you need
to change, you can ask the mailing list (after checking the wiki ;-) ).

Here are a starting point to some thesis-lyx-layouts:
http://wiki.lyx.org/Examples/Thesis
http://www.thesis-template.com/

Finally, dropping word is possible the best choice you can do, however, learning
LyX is necessary to utilize it... But I have never met anybody not being happy
after learning LyX :).

hth,
Ingar Pareliussen

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Ronen Abravanel]

How long should it be? A year ago I had one hour workshop on LyX in my
department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and "in what scene
LyX is different from word", and then about 40 minutes of demonstration of
what can I do and how can I do that.

If there is nothing better, I can translate my tutorial to English (few
beamer-slides, and 3 pages of "do that in order to achieve this..." list...

Ronen

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

> Dear all
> I think this is a very good idea.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes  wrote:
> > 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize
> LyX, but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to
> help. Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials for
> people, like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've also
> thought about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and these
> materials would help provide a curriculum.)
> >
> I will be holding a workshop on LyX to graduate types at my university
> and I'm not very sure where from to begin. Some ready materials
> (slides on the advantages of LyX/LaTeX over MS Word and the hord, step
> by step tutorials for creating your first document in LyX, using
> bibliography and fancier features) would be of enormous help.
>
> At the moment I plan to start with the 'Help > Documentation' in
> preparing my tutorial. Perhaps some of you have already passed through
> this experience and have some materials readily available? If so,
> please post them here.
>
> Regards
> Liviu
>

Re: Help me out of .doc

[John Kane]

Hi Hannu, 

I'm afraid I don't know enough about LyX to help.  However I had a quick look 
at it in OpenOffice.org and assuming it imported correctly, which it seems to 
have, it seems like a typically badly laid-out Word document.  I can see why 
any little thing could mess it up.

I think Ingar's suggestion is a good one.  

You actually have three page styles, 10 paragraph styles and four character 
styles in use in the document if OOo is reading it properly.

I have used both LyX and OOo to reformat papers and it's usually easier to 
paste the text in as plain text and work from there. 

 I don't know about LyX but if you understand OOo styles -- environments in LyX 
terms -- it would probably be a fairly easy job to create the needed styles -- 
if they don't exist -- in OOo ;and just quickly reformat the whole thing.  

In OOo you would need to understand the use of Styles> See 
[url=http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Chapters][b]OOo
 Authors[/b][/url]

--- On Mon, 3/21/11, Hannu Vuolasaho  wrote:

From: Hannu Vuolasaho 
Subject: Help me out of .doc
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Received: Monday, March 21, 2011, 9:08 PM


Hello!

I made small edition to my final thesis in Word and now it looks terrible 
again. I want to get rid of it. I have more important things to do than keep 
document's layout in looking good.

I have been playing with openoffice writer2latex and lyx for several hours 
without notable success.

So could someone import this template doc 
http://edu3.tokem.fi/TIEDOSTOT/Tekniikka/Opinnaytetyon_malli_Versio_3_3_21_9_2010.doc
 to lyx and send it back to me if I ask nicely? That doc has three styles. 
Cover, beginning and the rest of it. Also appendices need one style more but 
I'll figure that out by myself when I get there. No header or footer and 
pagenumbers restart. I believe that's easy.

It seems to be too big task for a newbie who just read trough some tutorials 
and FAQs. Results should be quite similiar so that when the document is printed 
(or PDFed) you can't say which one is from real tool and which is from MS Word.

I
 believe after I have lyxfile to play, I can copy, paste and adapt to the rest 
of document. Or is this one of those things that I have to just live with and 
hate those who made computer "easy to use"?

Thanks in advance,
Hannu Vuolasaho


  

Problem integrating a bibtex-style

[Sandro Portmann]

Hi guys

I want to implement a new cite style into LyX 1.6.9 on my Mac OS X 10.6.6. It's 
the ¨Historische Zeitschrift¨ style, which I have downloaded here 
http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml. The 
README file, distributed on the page doesn't help me much, so I hope, that 
anybody here can help me.

Best regards

Sandro

Hallo zusammen

Ich schreibs hier nochmals auf Deutsch, da mein English nicht gerade der Hammer 
ist.

Ich versuche nun schon seit längerem, den Zitierstil "Historische Zeitung" in 
LyX zu integrieren, und bringe es einfach nicht auf die Reihe. Ich hatte ihn 
hier http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml 
heruntergeladen. Mit der Instruktion, die in diesem File enthalten ist, kann 
ich leider nicht all zu viel anfangen, da ich den entsprechenden Ordner einfach 
nicht finde. Weiss jemand von euch, wie ich das hinkriege?

Beste Grüsse

Sandro

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Ronen Abravanel  wrote:
> How long should it be? A year ago I had one hour workshop on LyX in my
>
I highly doubt that it would exceed an hour.


> department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and "in what scene
> LyX is different from word", and then about 40 minutes of demonstration of
> what can I do and how can I do that.
>
> If there is nothing better, I can translate my tutorial to English (few
>
What is the original language of the tutorial? Maybe I could digest it myself.


> beamer-slides, and 3 pages of "do that in order to achieve this..." list...
>
This is a nice idea for a tutorial, too.
Liviu



> Ronen
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Liviu Andronic 
> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all
>> I think this is a very good idea.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes  wrote:
>> > 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize
>> > LyX, but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to
>> > help. Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials for
>> > people, like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've also
>> > thought about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and 
>> > these
>> > materials would help provide a curriculum.)
>> >
>> I will be holding a workshop on LyX to graduate types at my university
>> and I'm not very sure where from to begin. Some ready materials
>> (slides on the advantages of LyX/LaTeX over MS Word and the hord, step
>> by step tutorials for creating your first document in LyX, using
>> bibliography and fancier features) would be of enormous help.
>>
>> At the moment I plan to start with the 'Help > Documentation' in
>> preparing my tutorial. Perhaps some of you have already passed through
>> this experience and have some materials readily available? If so,
>> please post them here.
>>
>> Regards
>> Liviu
>
>



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Default label???

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

I'm now labelling all 57 chapters of my new book, and what a PITA!

First of all, there's no hotkey -- I have to do Insert->Label on every one. 
But even worse, the label defaults to the first three words, and often the 
first word is "The". Is there a way to have the label default to the first 
five words? Or, perhaps give us a way to highlight the entire title and have 
that govern the label? Right now highlighting is no different from putting the 
cursor at the start, except that highlighting increases the risk of erasing 
the highlighted text.

I think that label insertion is common enough that it should be a fast 
process, and people's priorities differ enough that the default number of 
words should be changeable.

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Re: Default label???

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Steve Litt  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm now labelling all 57 chapters of my new book, and what a PITA!
>
> First of all, there's no hotkey -- I have to do Insert->Label on every one.
>
At least for this you can easily define a custom shortcut. See the
docs (Customization and Functions, I think).


> But even worse, the label defaults to the first three words, and often the
> first word is "The". Is there a way to have the label default to the first
> five words?
>
I have no idea, but this might be hardcoded. You have always the
option to change it in the sources and rebuild it for you needs.
Otherwise perhaps file a bug report.

Cheers
Liviu


> Or, perhaps give us a way to highlight the entire title and have
> that govern the label? Right now highlighting is no different from putting the
> cursor at the start, except that highlighting increases the risk of erasing
> the highlighted text.
>
> I think that label insertion is common enough that it should be a fast
> process, and people's priorities differ enough that the default number of
> words should be changeable.
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
> Recession Relief Package
> http://www.recession-relief.US
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt
>
>



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Re: LyX Promotion

[John McCabe-Dansted]

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Rob Oakes  wrote:
> While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that Pavel 
> hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to think 
> of it as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program which 
> helps professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even more 
> narrow, it seems like many think it is for math and physics people to write a 
> thesis or article.) Which is to say, a specialized program with an incredibly 
> small user base and use.
>
> While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I don't think anyone would argue 
> that many of the developers and users are within academics), it significantly 
> understates LyX's appeal, especially if you consider the enhancements 
> available in the

To the extent that the stereotype is true, it may also be worth
considering what the reasons are for this, and if it is reasonable to
remove those reasons. Off-the-top of my head the following could be
issues.

1) Compile Errors. Normal users aren't used to dealing with compile
errors and shouldn't be expected to fix them. Even I don't like
dealing with compile errors all that much.
1a) Perhaps we could do some sort of bisect to determine where the
error is (either over the file itself or some fine-grained history).
1b) Perhaps we could improve the latex export so that compile errors
only occur if the user uses ERT. Particularly with beamer, this isn't
always the case.

2) Compatibility with Word. Typical users expect to be able to open
and save word documents.
2a) It is easy to bundle import/export filters so that the users don't
have to manually set up OOXML and ODF. This export wouldn't work as
well as e.g. OOXML <-> ODF though. One concern is that it may lead the
user to think this conversion is more supported than it really is.
2b) Normal users probably expect rich text paste as well. I usually
prefer plain text paste myself as I don't want adhoc formatting
showing up in my LyX file. We could have the option of either.

3) Not WYSIWYG.  Normal users clearly expect WYSIWYG. WYSIWYG and
WYSIWYM don't need to be mutually exclusive.  Ignoring the difficulty
in implementing for a while, having a WYSIWYG mode would be great.
After the content is complete, I go though a cycle of: Notice
something weird with the line-breaking in the PDF, muck around with
the LyX source hoping it fixed the problem; recompile PDF. This can
take a while and having a WYSIWYG mode could make this process a
factor of ten times faster.
3a) Psuedo-WYSIWYG. I find it helps to set the size of the LyX window
to be the same width as the PDF, so if I see a problem on the third
line of a paragraph in the PDF I can go straight to the third line of
the paragraph in the LyX window and fix it. Presumably LyX could
approximate the line-breaking algorithm of TeX and do a much better
job than I can by merely adjusting the width of the window. This would
be sufficient for me, but normal users may find another
not-quite-WYSIWYG mode more confusing than reassuring.
3b) LyX could bypass LaTeX. This is clearly what normal users are used
to. However this presumably wouldn't help in my use case where I am
submitting to a journal that provides a LaTeX style file.


So it seems to me that e.g. (1) should be fixed, and should be perhaps
be dealt with before we market LyX as being for normal users. Even (3)
could be fixed, and it would be good if it could, but it doesn't seem
worth the effort at the moment. (It certainly doesn't seem like
something that we should sit on our hands waiting for, and may in fact
dilute the WYSIWYM message).


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Okular inverse search - automatically activate LyX

[Joon Ro]

Hi,It seems the inverse search from Okular only moves the cursor to the corresponding position in LyX, but it does not activate the LyX window. So I made the following script:lyxclient -g $1 $2wmctrl -a LyXsave it (here "/home/yourname/okular_inverse_search" for example), and in Configure Okular -> Editor, select Custom Text Editor, and put the following:bash  /home/yourname/okular_inverse_search %f %lNow when you shift-right click on a line in Okular, it will do inverse search and then activate LyX automatically.Of course, you have to have wmctrl installed.Hope this is useful to somebody. :)-Joon

Re: LyX Promotion

[David L. Johnson]

On 03/22/2011 10:58 PM, John McCabe-Dansted wrote:


1) Compile Errors. Normal users aren't used to dealing with compile
errors and shouldn't be expected to fix them. Even I don't like
dealing with compile errors all that much.


With LyX you should not get compile errors unless you are doing 
something fancy.  It should be the case that no ERT => smooth 
compilation.  I can't recall the last time that was not the case with LyX.



1a) Perhaps we could do some sort of bisect to determine where the
error is (either over the file itself or some fine-grained history).


That is hard because sometimes TeX gets royally confused, and doesn't 
really understand what's wrong until far past the real mistake.



1b) Perhaps we could improve the latex export so that compile errors
only occur if the user uses ERT. Particularly with beamer, this isn't
always the case.


Well, AFAIK beamer is a new addition to LyX, and is not yet mature.


2) Compatibility with Word. Typical users expect to be able to open
and save word documents.
2a) It is easy to bundle import/export filters so that the users don't
have to manually set up OOXML and ODF. This export wouldn't work as
well as e.g. OOXML<->  ODF though.


I really don't think this will work, since LyX documents have a lot more 
structure than word documents.  You can certainly import word documents 
successfully, but exporting them is going to lose a lot of structure. 
You don't want to be saving to word format and expect to get the right 
file when you import it into LyX again.



3) Not WYSIWYG.  Normal users clearly expect WYSIWYG. WYSIWYG and
WYSIWYM don't need to be mutually exclusive.


They are to an extent, since WYSIWYG really means that all the document 
contains is what you see on the screen, without additional structure 
that properly formats it for a number of different export situations.


Think about writing a document in word.  You spend time getting the 
spacing right, the margins to look right, and align all the bits of text 
by hand.  I never have to worry about that in LyX, since I trust TeX to 
get it right.


Ignoring the difficulty

in implementing for a while, having a WYSIWYG mode would be great.
After the content is complete, I go though a cycle of: Notice
something weird with the line-breaking in the PDF, muck around with
the LyX source hoping it fixed the problem;


No.  TeX handles all that, don't ask users to spend effort in dealing 
with how lines break.  Write the paper, let TeX format it.  I would not 
want to worry about how it looks on the page while writing, that is a 
bad habit that you can avoid with LyX.



recompile PDF. This can

take a while and having a WYSIWYG mode could make this process a
factor of ten times faster.


No, in my experience it creates the "takes a while" part.

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