Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Aug 11, rgheck did say:

 On 08/11/2009 07:41 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
  Well Vincent, I'm glad to hear that it's supposed to work like that.
  But it doesn't work that way for me...
 --- snip ---
  Perhaps this automagic behavior is dependent on the windowmanager?

 This shouldn't be WM dependent, except in so far as the WM might steal
 keypresses. But I can't see that that's very likely here.
 
 Do other alt-p options work?

Yes, I tried to guess what would open a chapter and found out that
alt+P[c] = lyx code...

 I think if the paragraph layout selection combo isn't displayed, then the
 shortcut Alt-p+space won't work. It's displayed or not?

I'm not quite sure what the paragraph layout selection combo is,
but if you mean that long list of possible keystrokes that display on
the status line when I first press alt+P then yes... 

 FWIW, I stuck with kde 3.5.x for a long time, but am pretty happy with kde
 4.2.x and expect to be a lot happier with kede 4.3.x. There are differences
 but most of what you're accustomed to can be done now.

I will admit that I found kde 4.2 less difficult to deal with than 4.1...
However a few things that kde 4x crammed down my throat so offended me
that had I not found a window manager that I suits me, I was actually 
considering going back to winblows over it. (And I've been bashing 
them since ver 3.x)

Example: as a keyboard user who has always needed to make many
changes to the global (and application) keybindings to
 a)eliminate the 75% that I never want to fat finger by mistake.
 b)assign bindings that my fingers can remember to the few I do use.
And given that I have difficulty using the rodent, I found
that altering the gui key assignment routine for KEYBOARD
shortcuts in such a way that it was no longer practical to do
this without clicking on things REALLY bugged me...

Then I discovered Enlightenment, and now not even a permanent
reinstatement of kde 3.5's user interface would tempt me back.
I still install kde versions of linux because I'm accustomed to
certain kde applications, and because few (if any) linux distro have
enlightenment version installation dvd.

Note, I was not happy with the gui tool to assign shortcuts in e17
either, and would still be using e16 (where the global shortcuts are
actually in a vim editable config...) as my preferred WM in spite of
e17's enhancements except that some nice person informed me of an
e17 utility (enlightenment_remote) and gave me a copy of a bash script
(e17_setup.sh) which uses enlightenment_remote to automatically save
and restore many e17 configurations to/from a vim editable re-config
script... 

-- 
|   ---   ___
|   0   -  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^   J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~ jtw...@ttlc.net

RE: Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Aug 12, Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW did say:

  
 Perhaps this automagic behavior is dependent on the windowmanager?
 
 Then you'd really have to try the Windows windowmanager :)

Now I'm feeling nauseous...

-- 
|   ~^~   ~^~
|   o   oJoe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^   J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~ jtw...@ttlc.net
|  { snicker }

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

Yes, I tried to guess what would open a chapter and found out that
alt+P[c] = lyx code...

  

Sorry, I have to tell you:

alt+P[0] = Part, [1] = Chapter, [2] = Section, [3] = SubSection, etc.
alt+P*[0] = Part*, [1] = Chapter*, [2] = Section*, [3] = 
SubSection*, etc.



Now I'm feeling nauseous...


Sorry.

Vincent

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Aug 12, BH did say:

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Vincent van
 Ravesteijnv.f.vanraveste...@tudelft.nl wrote:
 
  Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden (after
  Alt-P space)
 
 From what I can tell, this is true only if the standard toolbar has
 been visible in the relevant window at some time in the past -- at
 least on Mac. If as I do (and Joe apparently does) you set your ui
 file not to load the standard toolbar, then Alt-Pspace does nothing.
 But once you make the toolbar visible and then invisible, Alt-Pspace
 does its magic.

Yup I used the .ui file to dump the undesirable toolbars...

But I'm curious, How else can I get rid of them? I wouldn't have
discovered the existence of the .ui files if I could have found a
pulldown menu choice to deactivate them...

Wait, let me guess, perhaps there is some mouse centric technique to
temporarily hide them if you know just where/how to click/drag them?

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  ?   ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^  J(tWdy)P
|\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[rgheck]

On 08/13/2009 02:05 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

Yup I used the .ui file to dump the undesirable toolbars...
But I'm curious, How else can I get rid of them? I wouldn't have
discovered the existence of the .ui files if I could have found a
pulldown menu choice to deactivate them...

   

ViewToolbars?

rh

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Abdelrazak Younes]

On 13/08/2009 20:05, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

It would appear that on Aug 12, BH did say:


On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Vincent van
Ravesteijnv.f.vanraveste...@tudelft.nl  wrote:

Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden (after
Alt-Pspace)

 From what I can tell, this is true only if the standard toolbar has
been visible in the relevant window at some time in the past -- at
least on Mac. If as I do (and Joe apparently does) you set your ui
file not to load the standard toolbar, then Alt-Pspace  does nothing.
But once you make the toolbar visible and then invisible, Alt-Pspace
does its magic.


Yup I used the .ui file to dump the undesirable toolbars...

But I'm curious, How else can I get rid of them? I wouldn't have
discovered the existence of the .ui files if I could have found a
pulldown menu choice to deactivate them...

Wait, let me guess, perhaps there is some mouse centric technique to
temporarily hide them if you know just where/how to click/drag them?


What about F11 to switch to full screen view?

Abdel.

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Aug 13, rgheck did say:

 ViewToolbars?

I remember it used to be there in ver 1.5.6... But I can't find it in ver 1.6.3

But thanks...

-- 
|   ~^~   ~^~
|   *   *  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^ J(tWdy)P
| \___/  jtw...@ttlc.net

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Aug 13, Abdelrazak Younes did say:

 
 What about F11 to switch to full screen view?
 

Thanks for the idea Abdel. And I almost like it. But I keep my LyX
window only almost maximized because I keep track of the time with 
a clock gadget that full screen view would hide...
 
-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|o   o   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^J(tWdy)P
|   ___jtw...@ttlc.net
|   
|  sigh

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Aug 11, rgheck did say:

 On 08/11/2009 07:41 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
  Well Vincent, I'm glad to hear that it's supposed to work like that.
  But it doesn't work that way for me...
 --- snip ---
  Perhaps this automagic behavior is dependent on the windowmanager?

 This shouldn't be WM dependent, except in so far as the WM might steal
 keypresses. But I can't see that that's very likely here.
 
 Do other alt-p options work?

Yes, I tried to guess what would open a chapter and found out that
alt+P[c] = lyx code...

 I think if the paragraph layout selection combo isn't displayed, then the
 shortcut Alt-p+space won't work. It's displayed or not?

I'm not quite sure what the paragraph layout selection combo is,
but if you mean that long list of possible keystrokes that display on
the status line when I first press alt+P then yes... 

 FWIW, I stuck with kde 3.5.x for a long time, but am pretty happy with kde
 4.2.x and expect to be a lot happier with kede 4.3.x. There are differences
 but most of what you're accustomed to can be done now.

I will admit that I found kde 4.2 less difficult to deal with than 4.1...
However a few things that kde 4x crammed down my throat so offended me
that had I not found a window manager that I suits me, I was actually 
considering going back to winblows over it. (And I've been bashing 
them since ver 3.x)

Example: as a keyboard user who has always needed to make many
changes to the global (and application) keybindings to
 a)eliminate the 75% that I never want to fat finger by mistake.
 b)assign bindings that my fingers can remember to the few I do use.
And given that I have difficulty using the rodent, I found
that altering the gui key assignment routine for KEYBOARD
shortcuts in such a way that it was no longer practical to do
this without clicking on things REALLY bugged me...

Then I discovered Enlightenment, and now not even a permanent
reinstatement of kde 3.5's user interface would tempt me back.
I still install kde versions of linux because I'm accustomed to
certain kde applications, and because few (if any) linux distro have
enlightenment version installation dvd.

Note, I was not happy with the gui tool to assign shortcuts in e17
either, and would still be using e16 (where the global shortcuts are
actually in a vim editable config...) as my preferred WM in spite of
e17's enhancements except that some nice person informed me of an
e17 utility (enlightenment_remote) and gave me a copy of a bash script
(e17_setup.sh) which uses enlightenment_remote to automatically save
and restore many e17 configurations to/from a vim editable re-config
script... 

-- 
|   ---   ___
|   0   -  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^   J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~ jtw...@ttlc.net

RE: Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Aug 12, Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW did say:

  
 Perhaps this automagic behavior is dependent on the windowmanager?
 
 Then you'd really have to try the Windows windowmanager :)

Now I'm feeling nauseous...

-- 
|   ~^~   ~^~
|   o   oJoe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^   J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~ jtw...@ttlc.net
|  { snicker }

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

Yes, I tried to guess what would open a chapter and found out that
alt+P[c] = lyx code...

  

Sorry, I have to tell you:

alt+P[0] = Part, [1] = Chapter, [2] = Section, [3] = SubSection, etc.
alt+P*[0] = Part*, [1] = Chapter*, [2] = Section*, [3] = 
SubSection*, etc.



Now I'm feeling nauseous...


Sorry.

Vincent

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Aug 12, BH did say:

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Vincent van
 Ravesteijnv.f.vanraveste...@tudelft.nl wrote:
 
  Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden (after
  Alt-P space)
 
 From what I can tell, this is true only if the standard toolbar has
 been visible in the relevant window at some time in the past -- at
 least on Mac. If as I do (and Joe apparently does) you set your ui
 file not to load the standard toolbar, then Alt-Pspace does nothing.
 But once you make the toolbar visible and then invisible, Alt-Pspace
 does its magic.

Yup I used the .ui file to dump the undesirable toolbars...

But I'm curious, How else can I get rid of them? I wouldn't have
discovered the existence of the .ui files if I could have found a
pulldown menu choice to deactivate them...

Wait, let me guess, perhaps there is some mouse centric technique to
temporarily hide them if you know just where/how to click/drag them?

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  ?   ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^  J(tWdy)P
|\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[rgheck]

On 08/13/2009 02:05 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

Yup I used the .ui file to dump the undesirable toolbars...
But I'm curious, How else can I get rid of them? I wouldn't have
discovered the existence of the .ui files if I could have found a
pulldown menu choice to deactivate them...

   

ViewToolbars?

rh

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Abdelrazak Younes]

On 13/08/2009 20:05, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

It would appear that on Aug 12, BH did say:


On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Vincent van
Ravesteijnv.f.vanraveste...@tudelft.nl  wrote:

Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden (after
Alt-Pspace)

 From what I can tell, this is true only if the standard toolbar has
been visible in the relevant window at some time in the past -- at
least on Mac. If as I do (and Joe apparently does) you set your ui
file not to load the standard toolbar, then Alt-Pspace  does nothing.
But once you make the toolbar visible and then invisible, Alt-Pspace
does its magic.


Yup I used the .ui file to dump the undesirable toolbars...

But I'm curious, How else can I get rid of them? I wouldn't have
discovered the existence of the .ui files if I could have found a
pulldown menu choice to deactivate them...

Wait, let me guess, perhaps there is some mouse centric technique to
temporarily hide them if you know just where/how to click/drag them?


What about F11 to switch to full screen view?

Abdel.

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Aug 13, rgheck did say:

 ViewToolbars?

I remember it used to be there in ver 1.5.6... But I can't find it in ver 1.6.3

But thanks...

-- 
|   ~^~   ~^~
|   *   *  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^ J(tWdy)P
| \___/  jtw...@ttlc.net

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Aug 13, Abdelrazak Younes did say:

 
 What about F11 to switch to full screen view?
 

Thanks for the idea Abdel. And I almost like it. But I keep my LyX
window only almost maximized because I keep track of the time with 
a clock gadget that full screen view would hide...
 
-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|o   o   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^J(tWdy)P
|   ___jtw...@ttlc.net
|   
|  sigh

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Aug 11, rgheck did say:

> On 08/11/2009 07:41 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> > Well Vincent, I'm glad to hear that it's supposed to work like that.
> > But it doesn't work that way for me...
 --- snip ---
> > Perhaps this "automagic" behavior is dependent on the windowmanager?

> This shouldn't be WM dependent, except in so far as the WM might steal
> keypresses. But I can't see that that's very likely here.
> 
> Do other alt-p options work?

Yes, I tried to guess what would open a chapter and found out that
+[c] = lyx code...

> I think if the paragraph layout selection combo isn't displayed, then the
> shortcut Alt-p+ won't work. It's displayed or not?

I'm not quite sure what "the paragraph layout selection combo" is,
but if you mean that long list of possible keystrokes that display on
the status line when I first press + then yes... 

> FWIW, I stuck with kde 3.5.x for a long time, but am pretty happy with kde
> 4.2.x and expect to be a lot happier with kede 4.3.x. There are differences
> but most of what you're accustomed to can be done now.

I will admit that I found kde 4.2 less difficult to deal with than 4.1...
However a few things that kde 4x crammed down my throat so offended me
that had I not found a window manager that I suits me, I was actually 
considering going back to winblows over it. (And I've been bashing 
them since ver 3.x)

Example: as a keyboard user who has always needed to make many
changes to the global (and application) keybindings to
 a)eliminate the 75% that I never want to fat finger by mistake.
 b)assign bindings that my fingers can remember to the few I do use.
And given that I have difficulty using the rodent, I found
that altering the gui key assignment routine for KEYBOARD
shortcuts in such a way that it was no longer practical to do
this without clicking on things REALLY bugged me...

Then I discovered Enlightenment, and now not even a permanent
reinstatement of kde 3.5's user interface would tempt me back.
I still install kde versions of linux because I'm accustomed to
certain kde applications, and because few (if any) linux distro have
enlightenment version installation dvd.

Note, I was not happy with the gui tool to assign shortcuts in e17
either, and would still be using e16 (where the global shortcuts are
actually in a vim editable config...) as my preferred WM in spite of
e17's enhancements except that some nice person informed me of an
e17 utility (enlightenment_remote) and gave me a copy of a bash script
(e17_setup.sh) which uses enlightenment_remote to automatically save
and restore many e17 configurations to/from a vim editable re-config
script... 

-- 
|   ---   ___
|   <0>   <->  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^   J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~ <>

RE: Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Aug 12, Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW did say:

>  
> >Perhaps this "automagic" behavior is dependent on the windowmanager?
> 
> Then you'd really have to try the Windows windowmanager :)

Now I'm feeling nauseous...

-- 
|   ~^~   ~^~
|  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^   J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~ <>
|  { snicker }

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

Yes, I tried to guess what would open a chapter and found out that
+[c] = lyx code...

  

Sorry, I have to tell you:

+[0] = Part, [1] = Chapter, [2] = Section, [3] = SubSection, etc.
+<*>[0] = Part*, [1] = Chapter*, [2] = Section*, [3] = 
SubSection*, etc.



Now I'm feeling nauseous...


Sorry.

Vincent

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Aug 12, BH did say:

> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Vincent van
> Ravesteijn wrote:
> >
> > Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden (after
> > Alt-P )
> 
> From what I can tell, this is true only if the standard toolbar has
> been visible in the relevant window at some time in the past -- at
> least on Mac. If as I do (and Joe apparently does) you set your ui
> file not to load the standard toolbar, then Alt-P does nothing.
> But once you make the toolbar visible and then invisible, Alt-P
> does its magic.

Yup I used the .ui file to dump the undesirable toolbars...

But I'm curious, How else can I get rid of them? I wouldn't have
discovered the existence of the .ui files if I could have found a
pulldown menu choice to deactivate them...

Wait, let me guess, perhaps there is some mouse centric technique to
temporarily hide them if you know just where/how to click/drag them?

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^  J(tWdy)P
|\___/ <>

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[rgheck]

On 08/13/2009 02:05 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

Yup I used the .ui file to dump the undesirable toolbars...
But I'm curious, How else can I get rid of them? I wouldn't have
discovered the existence of the .ui files if I could have found a
pulldown menu choice to deactivate them...

   

View>Toolbars?

rh

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Abdelrazak Younes]

On 13/08/2009 20:05, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

It would appear that on Aug 12, BH did say:


On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Vincent van
Ravesteijn  wrote:

Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden (after
Alt-P)

 From what I can tell, this is true only if the standard toolbar has
been visible in the relevant window at some time in the past -- at
least on Mac. If as I do (and Joe apparently does) you set your ui
file not to load the standard toolbar, then Alt-P  does nothing.
But once you make the toolbar visible and then invisible, Alt-P
does its magic.


Yup I used the .ui file to dump the undesirable toolbars...

But I'm curious, How else can I get rid of them? I wouldn't have
discovered the existence of the .ui files if I could have found a
pulldown menu choice to deactivate them...

Wait, let me guess, perhaps there is some mouse centric technique to
temporarily hide them if you know just where/how to click/drag them?


What about F11 to switch to full screen view?

Abdel.

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Aug 13, rgheck did say:

> View>Toolbars?

I remember it used to be there in ver 1.5.6... But I can't find it in ver 1.6.3

But thanks...

-- 
|   ~^~   ~^~
|   <*>   <*>  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^ J(tWdy)P
| \___/  <>

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Aug 13, Abdelrazak Younes did say:

> 
> What about F11 to switch to full screen view?
> 

Thanks for the idea Abdel. And I almost like it. But I keep my LyX
window only almost maximized because I keep track of the time with 
a clock gadget that full screen view would hide...
 
-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^J(tWdy)P
|   ___<>
|   
|  

RE: Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW]

 
Perhaps this automagic behavior is dependent on the windowmanager?

Then you'd really have to try the Windows windowmanager :)

Vincent

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[BH]

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Vincent van
Ravesteijnv.f.vanraveste...@tudelft.nl wrote:

 But if I close the otherwise useless standard toolbar, the scrollbox
 isn't on the screen, thus it doesn't open so that I can select
 chapter,(or other {is it called section type?} choice from list...)
 Thus the viability of the shortcut sequence I described requires that
 the standard toolbar be turned on...

 Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden (after
 Alt-P space)

From what I can tell, this is true only if the standard toolbar has
been visible in the relevant window at some time in the past -- at
least on Mac. If as I do (and Joe apparently does) you set your ui
file not to load the standard toolbar, then Alt-Pspace does nothing.
But once you make the toolbar visible and then invisible, Alt-Pspace
does its magic.

BH

RE: Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW]

 
Perhaps this automagic behavior is dependent on the windowmanager?

Then you'd really have to try the Windows windowmanager :)

Vincent

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[BH]

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Vincent van
Ravesteijnv.f.vanraveste...@tudelft.nl wrote:

 But if I close the otherwise useless standard toolbar, the scrollbox
 isn't on the screen, thus it doesn't open so that I can select
 chapter,(or other {is it called section type?} choice from list...)
 Thus the viability of the shortcut sequence I described requires that
 the standard toolbar be turned on...

 Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden (after
 Alt-P space)

From what I can tell, this is true only if the standard toolbar has
been visible in the relevant window at some time in the past -- at
least on Mac. If as I do (and Joe apparently does) you set your ui
file not to load the standard toolbar, then Alt-Pspace does nothing.
But once you make the toolbar visible and then invisible, Alt-Pspace
does its magic.

BH

RE: Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW]

 
>Perhaps this "automagic" behavior is dependent on the windowmanager?

Then you'd really have to try the Windows windowmanager :)

Vincent

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[BH]

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Vincent van
Ravesteijn wrote:
>
>> But if I close the otherwise useless standard toolbar, the scrollbox
>> isn't on the screen, thus it doesn't open so that I can select
>> chapter,(or other {is it called section type?} choice from list...)
>> Thus the viability of the shortcut sequence I described requires that
>> the standard toolbar be turned on...
>
> Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden (after
> Alt-P )

>From what I can tell, this is true only if the standard toolbar has
been visible in the relevant window at some time in the past -- at
least on Mac. If as I do (and Joe apparently does) you set your ui
file not to load the standard toolbar, then Alt-P does nothing.
But once you make the toolbar visible and then invisible, Alt-P
does its magic.

BH

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Aug 7, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say:

 Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden (after
 Alt-P space)

Well Vincent, I'm glad to hear that it's supposed to work like that.
But it doesn't work that way for me...

I'm using LyX 1.6.3 as emerged for Sabayon Linux 4.2 (the kde/x86-64
version)... When I edited /usr/share/lyx/ui/classic.ui to say:
standard off,top
and restarted LyX, I tried the alt+P[space] shortcut.

When I first pressed alt+P the status line at the bottom of the LyX
window displayed a long list of options. When I completed the shortcut
by tapping the spacebar the status line briefly indicated that I had
pressed the spacebar, but the dropdownbox did NOT magically appear.

Perhaps this automagic behavior is dependent on the windowmanager?

I installed the kde version of Sabayon rather than the gnome version
because I'm used to having all the kde tools available to me and I
never liked gnome's interface. HOWEVER kde4 caused me to run screaming
into the arms of enlightenment. And I'm currently using e17 for my
window manager rather than putting up with kde4. Perhaps that could
have something to do with the dropdownbox failing to automagicly appear?

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  ?   ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^  J(tWdy)P
|\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[rgheck]

On 08/11/2009 07:41 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

It would appear that on Aug 7, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say:

   

Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden (after
Alt-Pspace)
 


Well Vincent, I'm glad to hear that it's supposed to work like that.
But it doesn't work that way for me...

I'm using LyX 1.6.3 as emerged for Sabayon Linux 4.2 (the kde/x86-64
version)... When I edited /usr/share/lyx/ui/classic.ui to say:
 standard off,top
and restarted LyX, I tried thealt+P[space] shortcut.

When I first pressedalt+P  the status line at the bottom of the LyX
window displayed a long list of options. When I completed the shortcut
by tapping the spacebar the status line briefly indicated that I had
pressed the spacebar, but the dropdownbox did NOT magically appear.

Perhaps this automagic behavior is dependent on the windowmanager?

I installed the kde version of Sabayon rather than the gnome version
because I'm used to having all the kde tools available to me and I
never liked gnome's interface. HOWEVER kde4 caused me to run screaming
into the arms of enlightenment. And I'm currently using e17 for my
window manager rather than putting up with kde4. Perhaps that could
have something to do with the dropdownbox failing to automagicly appear?

   
This shouldn't be WM dependent, except in so far as the WM might steal 
keypresses. But I can't see that that's very likely here.


Do other alt-p options work?

I think if the paragraph layout selection combo isn't displayed, then 
the shortcut Alt-p+space won't work. It's displayed or not?


FWIW, I stuck with kde 3.5.x for a long time, but am pretty happy with 
kde 4.2.x and expect to be a lot happier with kede 4.3.x. There are 
differences but most of what you're accustomed to can be done now.


rh

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Aug 7, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say:

 Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden (after
 Alt-P space)

Well Vincent, I'm glad to hear that it's supposed to work like that.
But it doesn't work that way for me...

I'm using LyX 1.6.3 as emerged for Sabayon Linux 4.2 (the kde/x86-64
version)... When I edited /usr/share/lyx/ui/classic.ui to say:
standard off,top
and restarted LyX, I tried the alt+P[space] shortcut.

When I first pressed alt+P the status line at the bottom of the LyX
window displayed a long list of options. When I completed the shortcut
by tapping the spacebar the status line briefly indicated that I had
pressed the spacebar, but the dropdownbox did NOT magically appear.

Perhaps this automagic behavior is dependent on the windowmanager?

I installed the kde version of Sabayon rather than the gnome version
because I'm used to having all the kde tools available to me and I
never liked gnome's interface. HOWEVER kde4 caused me to run screaming
into the arms of enlightenment. And I'm currently using e17 for my
window manager rather than putting up with kde4. Perhaps that could
have something to do with the dropdownbox failing to automagicly appear?

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  ?   ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^  J(tWdy)P
|\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[rgheck]

On 08/11/2009 07:41 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

It would appear that on Aug 7, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say:

   

Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden (after
Alt-Pspace)
 


Well Vincent, I'm glad to hear that it's supposed to work like that.
But it doesn't work that way for me...

I'm using LyX 1.6.3 as emerged for Sabayon Linux 4.2 (the kde/x86-64
version)... When I edited /usr/share/lyx/ui/classic.ui to say:
 standard off,top
and restarted LyX, I tried thealt+P[space] shortcut.

When I first pressedalt+P  the status line at the bottom of the LyX
window displayed a long list of options. When I completed the shortcut
by tapping the spacebar the status line briefly indicated that I had
pressed the spacebar, but the dropdownbox did NOT magically appear.

Perhaps this automagic behavior is dependent on the windowmanager?

I installed the kde version of Sabayon rather than the gnome version
because I'm used to having all the kde tools available to me and I
never liked gnome's interface. HOWEVER kde4 caused me to run screaming
into the arms of enlightenment. And I'm currently using e17 for my
window manager rather than putting up with kde4. Perhaps that could
have something to do with the dropdownbox failing to automagicly appear?

   
This shouldn't be WM dependent, except in so far as the WM might steal 
keypresses. But I can't see that that's very likely here.


Do other alt-p options work?

I think if the paragraph layout selection combo isn't displayed, then 
the shortcut Alt-p+space won't work. It's displayed or not?


FWIW, I stuck with kde 3.5.x for a long time, but am pretty happy with 
kde 4.2.x and expect to be a lot happier with kede 4.3.x. There are 
differences but most of what you're accustomed to can be done now.


rh

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Aug 7, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say:

> Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden (after
> Alt-P )

Well Vincent, I'm glad to hear that it's supposed to work like that.
But it doesn't work that way for me...

I'm using LyX 1.6.3 as emerged for Sabayon Linux 4.2 (the kde/x86-64
version)... When I edited /usr/share/lyx/ui/classic.ui to say:
"standard" "off,top"
and restarted LyX, I tried the +[space] shortcut.

When I first pressed + the status line at the bottom of the LyX
window displayed a long list of options. When I completed the shortcut
by tapping the spacebar the status line briefly indicated that I had
pressed the spacebar, but the dropdownbox did NOT "magically" appear.

Perhaps this "automagic" behavior is dependent on the windowmanager?

I installed the kde version of Sabayon rather than the gnome version
because I'm used to having all the kde tools available to me and I
never liked gnome's interface. HOWEVER kde4 caused me to run screaming
into the arms of enlightenment. And I'm currently using e17 for my
window manager rather than putting up with kde4. Perhaps that could
have something to do with the dropdownbox failing to automagicly appear?

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^  J(tWdy)P
|\___/ <>

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[rgheck]

On 08/11/2009 07:41 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

It would appear that on Aug 7, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say:

   

Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden (after
Alt-P)
 


Well Vincent, I'm glad to hear that it's supposed to work like that.
But it doesn't work that way for me...

I'm using LyX 1.6.3 as emerged for Sabayon Linux 4.2 (the kde/x86-64
version)... When I edited /usr/share/lyx/ui/classic.ui to say:
 "standard" "off,top"
and restarted LyX, I tried the+[space] shortcut.

When I first pressed+  the status line at the bottom of the LyX
window displayed a long list of options. When I completed the shortcut
by tapping the spacebar the status line briefly indicated that I had
pressed the spacebar, but the dropdownbox did NOT "magically" appear.

Perhaps this "automagic" behavior is dependent on the windowmanager?

I installed the kde version of Sabayon rather than the gnome version
because I'm used to having all the kde tools available to me and I
never liked gnome's interface. HOWEVER kde4 caused me to run screaming
into the arms of enlightenment. And I'm currently using e17 for my
window manager rather than putting up with kde4. Perhaps that could
have something to do with the dropdownbox failing to automagicly appear?

   
This shouldn't be WM dependent, except in so far as the WM might steal 
keypresses. But I can't see that that's very likely here.


Do other alt-p options work?

I think if the paragraph layout selection combo isn't displayed, then 
the shortcut Alt-p+ won't work. It's displayed or not?


FWIW, I stuck with kde 3.5.x for a long time, but am pretty happy with 
kde 4.2.x and expect to be a lot happier with kede 4.3.x. There are 
differences but most of what you're accustomed to can be done now.


rh

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Aug 6, Helge Hafting did say:

 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
  
  As it is the only one I leave on is standard. And that to keep the
  viability of the  3-key,2-stroke keybinding alt+p[space]. Thus
  I put up with wasting a whole line of screen space on mostly useless
  stuff I would never ever click on.

 You can turn off all the toolbars if you like. I did not know that you
 could loose keybindings that way, but define the keybindings in a custom
 key binding file instead. That way, you can have the same keybindings
 without any toolbars. (And you can define other keybindings you find
 useful also.)

First let me clarify... I don't think I actually lose the keybinding
itself. But this particular binding. Nor in fact do I truly know
what to call the function it invokes. But several versions of LyX ago
I discovers that using the default (cua) bind file the sequence of
holding the alt key and pressing p, then pressing the spacebar results
in the same effect that i would get if I spent (more than 30 seconds
on a bad day) trying to get the #R$^$#*^$ing mouse pointer lined
up so I could click on the arrow in that scrollbox normally located
at the extreme lefthand end of the standard toolbar...

IE to insert a new chapter I hit [enter]alt+p[space] then arrow-key
down until chapter is highlighted, press [enter] and start typing a
chapter heading... 

But if I close the otherwise useless standard toolbar, the scrollbox
isn't on the screen, thus it doesn't open so that I can select
chapter,(or other {is it called section type?} choice from list...)
Thus the viability of the shortcut sequence I described requires that
the standard toolbar be turned on... 

I'm sure that I could set the new line to chapter with one of the other
arguments to alt+p if I bothered to look it up and memories it.
But I can only remember just so many shortcut sequences, And this one
gets me a list of many selectable choices.

 To get rid of the document tabs too, open all your files in
 separate windows. (ALT+f w, or File-New Window)
 Then, use your window manager to switch
 between them. This is usually performed by alt+tab, although some
 keyboard centric window managers might do it differently.

Yeah, As I said in a different reply, Because of the fact that I
usually open a half dozen .LyX files (with long filenames) using the
window manager to switch between them is not a good choice. Where as
my script always lists the filename arguments to LyX in the same order 
So I know that alt+D[2] will always switch to the main story
document and alt+D[5] will always switch to my descriptive list of
characters... Unless I happen to be working on those same .LyX files
from one of my other linux distributions which still have older
versions of LyX which means same result would happen by typing
alt+V[2]  alt+V[5] instead. 

Of course, since I insist on being able to work on this story even if
I happen to have booted another linux version, my shell script on this
one also has to automatically invoke: lyx2lyx -t 276  on them when I'm done...

But in any case, I thank you for the kind hearted help. I for one think 
this list is lucky to have you... correction: *_very_* lucky ;-)

-- 
|   ---   ___
|   0   -  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^   J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~ jtw...@ttlc.net

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

But if I close the otherwise useless standard toolbar, the scrollbox
isn't on the screen, thus it doesn't open so that I can select
chapter,(or other {is it called section type?} choice from list...)
Thus the viability of the shortcut sequence I described requires that
the standard toolbar be turned on... 
  
Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden 
(after Alt-P space)


Vincent

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Aug 6, Helge Hafting did say:

 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
  
  As it is the only one I leave on is standard. And that to keep the
  viability of the  3-key,2-stroke keybinding alt+p[space]. Thus
  I put up with wasting a whole line of screen space on mostly useless
  stuff I would never ever click on.

 You can turn off all the toolbars if you like. I did not know that you
 could loose keybindings that way, but define the keybindings in a custom
 key binding file instead. That way, you can have the same keybindings
 without any toolbars. (And you can define other keybindings you find
 useful also.)

First let me clarify... I don't think I actually lose the keybinding
itself. But this particular binding. Nor in fact do I truly know
what to call the function it invokes. But several versions of LyX ago
I discovers that using the default (cua) bind file the sequence of
holding the alt key and pressing p, then pressing the spacebar results
in the same effect that i would get if I spent (more than 30 seconds
on a bad day) trying to get the #R$^$#*^$ing mouse pointer lined
up so I could click on the arrow in that scrollbox normally located
at the extreme lefthand end of the standard toolbar...

IE to insert a new chapter I hit [enter]alt+p[space] then arrow-key
down until chapter is highlighted, press [enter] and start typing a
chapter heading... 

But if I close the otherwise useless standard toolbar, the scrollbox
isn't on the screen, thus it doesn't open so that I can select
chapter,(or other {is it called section type?} choice from list...)
Thus the viability of the shortcut sequence I described requires that
the standard toolbar be turned on... 

I'm sure that I could set the new line to chapter with one of the other
arguments to alt+p if I bothered to look it up and memories it.
But I can only remember just so many shortcut sequences, And this one
gets me a list of many selectable choices.

 To get rid of the document tabs too, open all your files in
 separate windows. (ALT+f w, or File-New Window)
 Then, use your window manager to switch
 between them. This is usually performed by alt+tab, although some
 keyboard centric window managers might do it differently.

Yeah, As I said in a different reply, Because of the fact that I
usually open a half dozen .LyX files (with long filenames) using the
window manager to switch between them is not a good choice. Where as
my script always lists the filename arguments to LyX in the same order 
So I know that alt+D[2] will always switch to the main story
document and alt+D[5] will always switch to my descriptive list of
characters... Unless I happen to be working on those same .LyX files
from one of my other linux distributions which still have older
versions of LyX which means same result would happen by typing
alt+V[2]  alt+V[5] instead. 

Of course, since I insist on being able to work on this story even if
I happen to have booted another linux version, my shell script on this
one also has to automatically invoke: lyx2lyx -t 276  on them when I'm done...

But in any case, I thank you for the kind hearted help. I for one think 
this list is lucky to have you... correction: *_very_* lucky ;-)

-- 
|   ---   ___
|   0   -  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^   J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~ jtw...@ttlc.net

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

But if I close the otherwise useless standard toolbar, the scrollbox
isn't on the screen, thus it doesn't open so that I can select
chapter,(or other {is it called section type?} choice from list...)
Thus the viability of the shortcut sequence I described requires that
the standard toolbar be turned on... 
  
Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden 
(after Alt-P space)


Vincent

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Aug 6, Helge Hafting did say:

> Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> > 
> > As it is the only one I leave on is "standard". And that to keep the
> > viability of the  "3-key,2-stroke" keybinding "+[space]". Thus
> > I put up with wasting a whole line of screen space on mostly useless
> > stuff I would never ever "click" on.
>
> You can turn off all the toolbars if you like. I did not know that you
> could loose keybindings that way, but define the keybindings in a custom
> key binding file instead. That way, you can have the same keybindings
> without any toolbars. (And you can define other keybindings you find
> useful also.)

First let me clarify... I don't think I actually lose the keybinding
itself. But this particular binding. Nor in fact do I truly know
what to call the function it invokes. But several versions of LyX ago
I discovers that using the default (cua) bind file the sequence of
holding the alt key and pressing p, then pressing the spacebar results
in the same effect that i would get if I spent (more than 30 seconds
on a bad day) trying to get the #$&^$

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

But if I close the otherwise useless standard toolbar, the scrollbox
isn't on the screen, thus it doesn't open so that I can select
chapter,(or other {is it called section type?} choice from list...)
Thus the viability of the shortcut sequence I described requires that
the standard toolbar be turned on... 
  
Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden 
(after Alt-P )


Vincent

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Helge Hafting]

Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

I'm using lyx 1.6.3 on Sabayon Linux 4.2. Which is fairly impressive BTW.
I like most of the user interface. Well that is except that As a
keyboard-centric user with very poor mouse coordination I always resent
screen space taken up by point n' click specific tools such as most
toolbars. For example if alt+p[space] worked without that
scrollbox attached to the standard toolbar the .ui file would say

= Toolbars
= standard off,top
= extra off,top
= table off,bottom
= math off,bottom
= minibuffer off,bottom
= End

As it is the only one I leave on is standard. And that to keep the
viability of the  3-key,2-stroke keybinding alt+p[space]. Thus
I put up with wasting a whole line of screen space on mostly useless
stuff I would never ever click on.


[...]

BUT I would never ever wrestle with my mouse to get that (expletive
deleted) pointer on the name of the document displayed with an [x]
just under the toolbars... And that would be so, even if I wasn't just
as likely to accidentally click on one of the [x]s...

Is there any way to get them off my screen???



You can turn off all the toolbars if you like. I did not know that you
could loose keybindings that way, but define the keybindings in a custom
key binding file instead. That way, you can have the same keybindings
without any toolbars. (And you can define other keybindings you find
useful also.)

To get rid of the document tabs too, open all your files in
separate windows. (ALT+f w, or File-New Window)
Then, use your window manager to switch
between them. This is usually performed by alt+tab, although some
keyboard centric window managers might do it differently.

Helge Hafting

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Helge Hafting]

Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

I'm using lyx 1.6.3 on Sabayon Linux 4.2. Which is fairly impressive BTW.
I like most of the user interface. Well that is except that As a
keyboard-centric user with very poor mouse coordination I always resent
screen space taken up by point n' click specific tools such as most
toolbars. For example if alt+p[space] worked without that
scrollbox attached to the standard toolbar the .ui file would say

= Toolbars
= standard off,top
= extra off,top
= table off,bottom
= math off,bottom
= minibuffer off,bottom
= End

As it is the only one I leave on is standard. And that to keep the
viability of the  3-key,2-stroke keybinding alt+p[space]. Thus
I put up with wasting a whole line of screen space on mostly useless
stuff I would never ever click on.


[...]

BUT I would never ever wrestle with my mouse to get that (expletive
deleted) pointer on the name of the document displayed with an [x]
just under the toolbars... And that would be so, even if I wasn't just
as likely to accidentally click on one of the [x]s...

Is there any way to get them off my screen???



You can turn off all the toolbars if you like. I did not know that you
could loose keybindings that way, but define the keybindings in a custom
key binding file instead. That way, you can have the same keybindings
without any toolbars. (And you can define other keybindings you find
useful also.)

To get rid of the document tabs too, open all your files in
separate windows. (ALT+f w, or File-New Window)
Then, use your window manager to switch
between them. This is usually performed by alt+tab, although some
keyboard centric window managers might do it differently.

Helge Hafting

Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Helge Hafting]

Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

I'm using lyx 1.6.3 on Sabayon Linux 4.2. Which is fairly impressive BTW.
I like most of the user interface. Well that is except that As a
keyboard-centric user with very poor mouse coordination I always resent
screen space taken up by point n' click specific tools such as most
toolbars. For example if "+[space]" worked without that
scrollbox attached to the "standard" toolbar the .ui file would say

=> Toolbars
=> "standard" "off,top"
=> "extra" "off,top"
=> "table" "off,bottom"
=> "math" "off,bottom"
=> "minibuffer" "off,bottom"
=> End

As it is the only one I leave on is "standard". And that to keep the
viability of the  "3-key,2-stroke" keybinding "+[space]". Thus
I put up with wasting a whole line of screen space on mostly useless
stuff I would never ever "click" on.


[...]

BUT I would never ever wrestle with my mouse to get that (expletive
deleted) pointer on the name of the document displayed with an [x]
just under the toolbars... And that would be so, even if I wasn't just
as likely to accidentally click on one of the [x]s...

Is there any way to get them off my screen???



You can turn off all the toolbars if you like. I did not know that you
could loose keybindings that way, but define the keybindings in a custom
key binding file instead. That way, you can have the same keybindings
without any toolbars. (And you can define other keybindings you find
useful also.)

To get rid of the document tabs too, open all your files in
separate windows. (ALT+f w, or "File->New Window")
Then, use your window manager to switch
between them. This is usually performed by alt+tab, although some
keyboard centric window managers might do it differently.

Helge Hafting

Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

I'm using lyx 1.6.3 on Sabayon Linux 4.2. Which is fairly impressive BTW.
I like most of the user interface. Well that is except that As a
keyboard-centric user with very poor mouse coordination I always resent
screen space taken up by point n' click specific tools such as most
toolbars. For example if alt+p[space] worked without that
scrollbox attached to the standard toolbar the .ui file would say

= Toolbars
= standard off,top
= extra off,top
= table off,bottom
= math off,bottom
= minibuffer off,bottom
= End

As it is the only one I leave on is standard. And that to keep the
viability of the  3-key,2-stroke keybinding alt+p[space]. Thus
I put up with wasting a whole line of screen space on mostly useless
stuff I would never ever click on.

Likewise, If I want to switch to another open document with lyx 1.6.3
I'd use alt+D[2] to switch to the second open document, via the
pull down menu. Though I'll admit my fingers usually start with the old
alt+v[2] that isn't in the view menu anymore before I realise
that the functionality was moved to the Documents pull-down menu.

BUT I would never ever wrestle with my mouse to get that (expletive
deleted) pointer on the name of the document displayed with an [x]
just under the toolbars... And that would be so, even if I wasn't just
as likely to accidentally click on one of the [x]s...

Is there any way to get them off my screen???

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  ?   ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^  J(tWdy)P
|\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net

RE: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW]

 
 Is there any way to get them off my screen???

Tools-Preferences-Look  Feel-Open Document in Tabs

Vincent

RE: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Jul 31, Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW did say:

  Is there any way to get them off my screen???
 
 Tools-Preferences-Look  Feel-Open Document in Tabs
 

Thanks. But when I tried that the results were less than ideal.

I don't know why I didn't realize I was talking about tabs until
you identified the toggle. {Unless it has to do with the fact that
when I use LyX I'm always either opening just one document (in which
case there isn't one) Or I'm opening a half dozen documents with a
script where the average filename length is about 30 characters long.
(in which case the row of tabs don't all fit} and so I never discerned
the pattern of a tab beside a spot without one...}

But in any case the results are that several separate LyX windows open.
which in itself isn't bad, but since the filenames are so long it's
hard to determine which doc is which switching via the alt+tab
global shortcut. And if I try to use the alt+D[$number] method,
the tabs in that particular document window turn themselves back on...

It might be nice for keyboard centric users who switch documents via
the menu, rather than by clicking on the tab,  if they added an
additional check box or .ui file item, that toggled the graphic display
of the tabs like it was a toolbar full of tabs, while still allowing
ONE document window to switch between several [virtual tab]
documents via the pull down menu... But as feature requests go, I
doubt this would ever be considered a high priority...

So I'm thinking that I'll just have to live with the durned tabs.

Thanks anyway!

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|o   o   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^J(tWdy)P
|   ___jtw...@ttlc.net
|   
|  sigh

Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

I'm using lyx 1.6.3 on Sabayon Linux 4.2. Which is fairly impressive BTW.
I like most of the user interface. Well that is except that As a
keyboard-centric user with very poor mouse coordination I always resent
screen space taken up by point n' click specific tools such as most
toolbars. For example if alt+p[space] worked without that
scrollbox attached to the standard toolbar the .ui file would say

= Toolbars
= standard off,top
= extra off,top
= table off,bottom
= math off,bottom
= minibuffer off,bottom
= End

As it is the only one I leave on is standard. And that to keep the
viability of the  3-key,2-stroke keybinding alt+p[space]. Thus
I put up with wasting a whole line of screen space on mostly useless
stuff I would never ever click on.

Likewise, If I want to switch to another open document with lyx 1.6.3
I'd use alt+D[2] to switch to the second open document, via the
pull down menu. Though I'll admit my fingers usually start with the old
alt+v[2] that isn't in the view menu anymore before I realise
that the functionality was moved to the Documents pull-down menu.

BUT I would never ever wrestle with my mouse to get that (expletive
deleted) pointer on the name of the document displayed with an [x]
just under the toolbars... And that would be so, even if I wasn't just
as likely to accidentally click on one of the [x]s...

Is there any way to get them off my screen???

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|  ~^~   ~^~
|  ?   ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^  J(tWdy)P
|\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net

RE: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW]

 
 Is there any way to get them off my screen???

Tools-Preferences-Look  Feel-Open Document in Tabs

Vincent

RE: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Jul 31, Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW did say:

  Is there any way to get them off my screen???
 
 Tools-Preferences-Look  Feel-Open Document in Tabs
 

Thanks. But when I tried that the results were less than ideal.

I don't know why I didn't realize I was talking about tabs until
you identified the toggle. {Unless it has to do with the fact that
when I use LyX I'm always either opening just one document (in which
case there isn't one) Or I'm opening a half dozen documents with a
script where the average filename length is about 30 characters long.
(in which case the row of tabs don't all fit} and so I never discerned
the pattern of a tab beside a spot without one...}

But in any case the results are that several separate LyX windows open.
which in itself isn't bad, but since the filenames are so long it's
hard to determine which doc is which switching via the alt+tab
global shortcut. And if I try to use the alt+D[$number] method,
the tabs in that particular document window turn themselves back on...

It might be nice for keyboard centric users who switch documents via
the menu, rather than by clicking on the tab,  if they added an
additional check box or .ui file item, that toggled the graphic display
of the tabs like it was a toolbar full of tabs, while still allowing
ONE document window to switch between several [virtual tab]
documents via the pull down menu... But as feature requests go, I
doubt this would ever be considered a high priority...

So I'm thinking that I'll just have to live with the durned tabs.

Thanks anyway!

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|o   o   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^J(tWdy)P
|   ___jtw...@ttlc.net
|   
|  sigh

Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

I'm using lyx 1.6.3 on Sabayon Linux 4.2. Which is fairly impressive BTW.
I like most of the user interface. Well that is except that As a
keyboard-centric user with very poor mouse coordination I always resent
screen space taken up by point n' click specific tools such as most
toolbars. For example if "+[space]" worked without that
scrollbox attached to the "standard" toolbar the .ui file would say

=> Toolbars
=> "standard" "off,top"
=> "extra" "off,top"
=> "table" "off,bottom"
=> "math" "off,bottom"
=> "minibuffer" "off,bottom"
=> End

As it is the only one I leave on is "standard". And that to keep the
viability of the  "3-key,2-stroke" keybinding "+[space]". Thus
I put up with wasting a whole line of screen space on mostly useless
stuff I would never ever "click" on.

Likewise, If I want to switch to another open document with lyx 1.6.3
I'd use "+[2]" to switch to the second open document, via the
pull down menu. Though I'll admit my fingers usually start with the old
"+[2]" that isn't in the view menu anymore before I realise
that the functionality was moved to the Documents pull-down menu.

BUT I would never ever wrestle with my mouse to get that (expletive
deleted) pointer on the name of the document displayed with an [x]
just under the toolbars... And that would be so, even if I wasn't just
as likely to accidentally click on one of the [x]s...

Is there any way to get them off my screen???

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^  J(tWdy)P
|\___/ <>

RE: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW]

 
> Is there any way to get them off my screen???

Tools->Preferences->Look & Feel->Open Document in Tabs

Vincent

RE: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Jul 31, Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW did say:

> > Is there any way to get them off my screen???
> 
> Tools->Preferences->Look & Feel->Open Document in Tabs
> 

Thanks. But when I tried that the results were less than ideal.

I don't know why I didn't realize I was talking about "tabs" until
you identified the toggle. {Unless it has to do with the fact that
when I use LyX I'm always either opening just one document (in which
case there isn't one) Or I'm opening a half dozen documents with a
script where the average filename length is about 30 characters long.
(in which case the row of tabs don't all fit} and so I never discerned
the pattern of a tab beside a spot without one...}

But in any case the results are that several separate LyX windows open.
which in itself isn't bad, but since the filenames are so long it's
hard to determine which doc is which switching via the +
global shortcut. And if I try to use the +[$number] method,
the tabs in that particular document window turn themselves back on...

It might be nice for keyboard centric users who switch documents via
the menu, rather than by clicking on the tab,  if they added an
additional check box or .ui file item, that toggled the graphic display
of the tabs like it was a toolbar full of tabs, while still allowing
ONE document window to switch between several [virtual tab]
documents via the pull down menu... But as feature requests go, I
doubt this would ever be considered a high priority...

So I'm thinking that I'll just have to live with the durned tabs.

Thanks anyway!

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^J(tWdy)P
|   ___<>
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