XP Defrag Re: PC won't shut down
--- Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: clip 3) Did Gregg ever find a decent defrag program for XP? goodness its slow. OO Defrag (what an original name) from OO Software. http://www.oo-software.com/en/index.html It still doesn't defrag _everything_ but it does a better, faster job than the built in, stripped down version of Diskkeeper, the full Diskkeeper, Norton Utils, Power Defrag or any other defragger I've tried. OO, unlike those others, does not appear to use anything from the built in defragger in 2000 or XP. It can run either like a stand alone app or as a snap in to the Computer Management console. Are you running XP on FAT32 or NTFS? If you're using FAT32, especially on your XP boot partition, switch it to NTFS. Same goes for any drive or partition you're using for the XP swap file. It will be total Fandemonium, Summer 2005! Check website for further info. http://www.fandemonium.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- Mac-N-DOS is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... / Buy books, CDs, videos, and more from Amazon.com \ / http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/lowendmac \ Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Mac-N-DOS list info:http://lowendmac.com/lists/mac-n-dos.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:mac-n-dos@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-n-dos%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: PC won't shut down
Gretchen Summers wrote: I installed EndItAll, and the first night the PC shut down normally. The next night, it didn't. So, I have been using EndItAll each night since. Yesterday, I launched EndItAll to see what programs were running. Most I didn't recognize, and I'm leary about just deleting programs when I don't know anything about them. I did delete a couple that I suspect were probably problem apps. Last night, I was able to shut down without launching EndItAll. We'll see if that continues. Thanks for all your help and suggestions. While its a minor improvement, Enditall was a good suggestion Mugzie, your possibly masking a serious problem. I would seriously consider running Hijackthis, Greggs post, and posting the log here or atleast consider rereading the use of the Task Manager and finding a site that lists vaild startup programs and processes, most invaild entries will show with a quick Google search for their .exe. When using the Task Manager (processes tab) you *end* a process, you do not delete anything. Most windows programs can be identified by name, early run processors are easily found on many sites, a site like this random one let you search the name of a process. http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist.htm. Under WinNT you can access the task manager by right- clicking the task bar and selecting the taskmanager. Almost word for word with the last line of this page. ;) http://www.greatis.com/appdata/ may help you out, another random, better set out for my eyes. My concern is you have a win32 nasty, a virus scan, spyware or informed hackthis should find and remove/inform you, from there you should be able to continue or repair. Or you have a system/network error, either way it needs fixing not masking, your use in deleting' these tasks should give you the confidence to try a little more. Windows Restore is a tool, I'll stop there. All tools can be useful, if a system is having trouble disable System Restore and run your scans, once you have a clean system use system restore to backup and then make changes, its becomes a useful tool at this point until the next nasty comes along.. As a side note I have updated my 6 y/o PC from ME (which I found both more usable and enjoyable than 98se) to XP, finally. This box was a 600mhz, upped to 1100 in the way macs cant be and is very happily running the updated OS. 1) EndItAll will hopefully convince the machine to power down? (I'm stuck with the old Its now safe blah blah, how cute. :) 2) A nasty trojon, coreflood was found and removed thanks to hijackthis so thanks for starting the thread. 3) Did Gregg ever find a decent defrag program for XP? goodness its slow. This box runs with 20 processes, including Norton 2003 and a firewall so thats 15 without basic protection, please dont mention XP's builtin FW. Each machine is different, a score in the 30's suggests a prunable load if nothing else. cheers. -- Mac-N-DOS is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... / Buy books, CDs, videos, and more from Amazon.com \ / http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/lowendmac \ Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Mac-N-DOS list info:http://lowendmac.com/lists/mac-n-dos.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:mac-n-dos@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-n-dos%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: PC won't shut down
I installed EndItAll, and the first night the PC shut down normally. The next night, it didn't. So, I have been using EndItAll each night since. Yesterday, I launched EndItAll to see what programs were running. Most I didn't recognize, and I'm leary about just deleting programs when I don't know anything about them. I did delete a couple that I suspect were probably problem apps. Last night, I was able to shut down without launching EndItAll. We'll see if that continues. Thanks for all your help and suggestions. On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:41:07 -0500, MUGWump [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date sent: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:16:06 -0500 From: Brian Futrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] For the shutting down problem I agree with others on this list that you may need to press Ctrl-Alt-Del and view the running applications. Or use EndItAll/EndItAll2. I emailed both versions to her, and I've at least read reports that both work fine under Windows XP, which is the OS on Gretchen's family's Dell (I specify family because knowing her, I don't think there'd be a PC in the house if it were up to her--it'd be a pure Mac household ;). BTW, I'm willing to email those programs to anyone else who needs 'em, or else put 'em on my website for download if I get 100 emails in my inbox asking for 'em. :-) Depending on how old the computer is, the computer would display the message 'You can now turn off your computer'. This was true with computers with AT power supplies and older ATX systems that did not have ACPI configured properly. I'm not sure that any PC from that era is capable of running Windows XP-- not at an acceptable speed, anyway. -- I'm a MUGWump: My MUG is on the Mac side of the fence (since mid-2002), and my Wump is on the PC side (since 1989). I've been on the trailing edge of computer technology since 1987 and love it! [P.S.] Due to limitations on this account, please send binaries to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and a confirmation note here. -- Mac-N-DOS is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... / Buy books, CDs, videos, and more from Amazon.com \ / http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/lowendmac \ Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Mac-N-DOS list info:http://lowendmac.com/lists/mac-n-dos.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:mac-n-dos@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-n-dos%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Gretchen Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mac-N-DOS is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... / Buy books, CDs, videos, and more from Amazon.com \ / http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/lowendmac \ Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Mac-N-DOS list info:http://lowendmac.com/lists/mac-n-dos.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:mac-n-dos@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-n-dos%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: PC won't shut down
MUGWump wrote: I'm not sure that any PC from that era is capable of running Windows XP-- not at an acceptable speed, anyway. Running on a 500/P2, this box runs POS software for a small shop. Stable now 20 spyware related processes have been vanquished, IE has been crippled so the boys cant use it to download porn any more so it should work ok for a while. For what its worth spybot and adaware SE should both be installed and even on a virgin install never on the net both will find spyware, thanks for that M$. Now would you trust Bills beta spyware program? ;) Both programs should be installed, both are free, both should be used with a little care. So how many processes run on Gretchens family pc after boot with the machine idle? -- Mac-N-DOS is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... / Buy books, CDs, videos, and more from Amazon.com \ / http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/lowendmac \ Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Mac-N-DOS list info:http://lowendmac.com/lists/mac-n-dos.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:mac-n-dos@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-n-dos%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: PC won't shut down
I have used a spyware diagnostic tool, which in the past did find some programs which it said were spyware. I have a problem paying for the removal tool which most require. When it is shutting down, the icons disappear from the menu bar at the bottom, and then it just stops. If I try to launch something, it tells me it is in the process of shutting down, but nothing happens. Then if I try to shut down a second or third time, it doesn't appear to do anything. It's not really frozen because I can use the mouse, etc. I never get the you can now turn off your computer message, but I never did before. It would just shut down. On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:07:58 -0500, Brian Futrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as what I have used to scan for spyware, Spybot: Search and Destroy and Ad-Aware seem to work OK for me. They are both free for personal use. MS is supposed to have a Malicious Software Removal Tool for XP, but I haven't tried it yet. When your are shutting down, does it seem to freeze when shutting down, or does it display the message that You can now turn off the computer? -- Gretchen Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mac-N-DOS is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... / Buy books, CDs, videos, and more from Amazon.com \ / http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/lowendmac \ Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Mac-N-DOS list info:http://lowendmac.com/lists/mac-n-dos.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:mac-n-dos@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-n-dos%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: PC won't shut down
Date sent: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:48:11 +1100 From: Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] The IE make over MyIE/Mcombo or the use of Mozilla for surfing will help keep nasties away with builtin popup blockers and such, use IE for updating software, a general tip for any version of windows. Use of a Firewall such a Zonealarm will provide you with many notices and options before the trail expires and it reverts to just a firewall, its updated once every few weeks so you basicly have a full version on a trial all year. ;) the popup at boot does become annoying. I'm with Darren on these points, though I'm not familiar with MyIE/Mcombo. Last year, US/CERT (sponsored in part by Homeland Security) advised that the only semi-safe way to use Internet Exploder was to set all the security settings to High (making it almost unusable) or else to use an alternative browser such as one of the Mozilla browsers, Netscape (which is now based on the Mozilla browsers) or Opera. For myself, I switched to Mozilla and haven't looked back. A few sites (particularly banking sites for some reason) SAY they require Internet Exploder (and may not allow access with another browser), but there's a User Agent Switcher plugin for Mozilla (and a similar function's built into Opera) that allows you to fake out the site by telling it you're running that MesSIE browser--in most cases, you'll then be able to access the site without any problems. Then you only have to use MesSIE (aka Internet Exploder) for Windows Update and sites which REALLY have features that only IE supports due to its proprietary ways. FYI, the Mozilla browsers are free/open source software and I'm told you will find them to be similar to Safari (I believe the story is that the lead developer of Safari had been a major player on the Mozilla team, so a lot of the concepts and features of Mozilla were incorporated into Safari). Mozilla (or its popular lean 'n' mean li'l brother, Mozilla Firefox) can be downloaded from http://www.mozilla.org . At least Firefox also exists in a Mac OS X version, plus they have a parallel browser project going called Camino, which I believe is more tuned to the Aqua interface. Opera (which can be downloaded from http://www.opera.com) has a free adware version and a paid shareware version. The ads are up in the top right hand corner, and aren't really that obtrusive. There's also a Mac version of Opera. If you don't have it installed already, you'll need to get Sun's Java Runtime Environment from http://java.com . It's freeware. Opera (and I think Netscape) can be downloaded with Sun's JRE integrated into the install, but I don't believe the Mozilla browsers have that download option. There's also a free (as in freeware) version of ZoneAlarm, which is the basic firewall. You get that from http://www.zonelabs.com , and it beats the heck outta Windows Firewall. HTH, MUGWump -- I'm a MUGWump: My MUG is on the Mac side of the fence (since mid-2002), and my Wump is on the PC side (since 1989). I've been on the trailing edge of computer technology since 1987 and love it! [P.S.] Due to limitations on this account, please send binaries to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and a confirmation note here. -- Mac-N-DOS is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... / Buy books, CDs, videos, and more from Amazon.com \ / http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/lowendmac \ Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Mac-N-DOS list info:http://lowendmac.com/lists/mac-n-dos.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:mac-n-dos@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-n-dos%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: PC won't shut down
Gretchen Summers wrote: I have used a spyware diagnostic tool, which in the past did find some programs which it said were spyware. I have a problem paying for the removal tool which most require. When it is shutting down, the icons disappear from the menu bar at the bottom, and then it just stops. If I try to launch something, it tells me it is in the process of shutting down, but nothing happens. Then if I try to shut down a second or third time, it doesn't appear to do anything. It's not really frozen because I can use the mouse, etc. I never get the you can now turn off your computer message, but I never did before. It would just shut down. On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:07:58 -0500, Brian Futrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as what I have used to scan for spyware, Spybot: Search and Destroy and Ad-Aware seem to work OK for me. They are both free for personal use. MS is supposed to have a Malicious Software Removal Tool for XP, but I haven't tried it yet. When your are shutting down, does it seem to freeze when shutting down, or does it display the message that You can now turn off the computer? Ad-Aware and SpyBot are both free for scanning and removal of spyware. For the shutting down problem I agree with others on this list that you may need to press Ctrl-Alt-Del and view the running applications. Depending on how old the computer is, the computer would display the message 'You can now turn off your computer'. This was true with computers with AT power supplies and older ATX systems that did not have ACPI configured properly. -- Mac-N-DOS is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... / Buy books, CDs, videos, and more from Amazon.com \ / http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/lowendmac \ Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Mac-N-DOS list info:http://lowendmac.com/lists/mac-n-dos.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:mac-n-dos@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-n-dos%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: PC won't shut down
I doubt the source of the problem will show up in the running programs list, most likely it's a running process. Try bringing up the task manager and get a screen shot of the processes or write the list in here. I might recognise some of the processes as I've had problems with my system not shutting down before (sometimes power management issues, sometimes something running in the background that wouldn't quit). -- Original Message -- Reply-To: Mac-N-DOS List mac-n-dos@mail.maclaunch.com To: Mac-N-DOS List mac-n-dos@mail.maclaunch.com Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:16:06 -0500 From: Brian Futrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PC won't shut down Gretchen Summers wrote: I have used a spyware diagnostic tool, which in the past did find some programs which it said were spyware. I have a problem paying for the removal tool which most require. When it is shutting down, the icons disappear from the menu bar at the bottom, and then it just stops. If I try to launch something, it tells me it is in the process of shutting down, but nothing happens. Then if I try to shut down a second or third time, it doesn't appear to do anything. It's not really frozen because I can use the mouse, etc. I never get the you can now turn off your computer message, but I never did before. It would just shut down. On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:07:58 -0500, Brian Futrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as what I have used to scan for spyware, Spybot: Search and Destroy and Ad-Aware seem to work OK for me. They are both free for personal use. MS is supposed to have a Malicious Software Removal Tool for XP, but I haven't tried it yet. When your are shutting down, does it seem to freeze when shutting down, or does it display the message that You can now turn off the computer? Ad-Aware and SpyBot are both free for scanning and removal of spyware. For the shutting down problem I agree with others on this list that you may need to press Ctrl-Alt-Del and view the running applications. Depending on how old the computer is, the computer would display the message 'You can now turn off your computer'. This was true with computers with AT power supplies and older ATX systems that did not have ACPI configured properly. -- Mac-N-DOS is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... / Buy books, CDs, videos, and more from Amazon.com \ / http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/lowendmac \ Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Mac-N-DOS list info:http://lowendmac.com/lists/mac-n-dos.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:mac-n-dos@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-n-dos%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ___ Your Site for Swiss Maps: http://www.swissinfo-geo.org/ -- Mac-N-DOS is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... / Buy books, CDs, videos, and more from Amazon.com \ / http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/lowendmac \ Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Mac-N-DOS list info:http://lowendmac.com/lists/mac-n-dos.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:mac-n-dos@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-n-dos%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: PC won't shut down
When it is shutting down, the icons disappear from the menu bar at the bottom, and then it just stops. If I try to launch something, it tells me it is in the process of shutting down, but nothing happens. Then if I try to shut down a second or third time, it doesn't appear to do anything. It's not really frozen because I can use the mouse, etc. I never get the you can now turn off your computer message, but I never did before. It would just shut down. I had a similar problem last week, (Win 2000, SP4) and narrowed it down to the 1.5 beta of Copernic Desktop Search. Exiting that program allowed the machine to shut down normally. If you are running it, you might try shutting it down. Jeff Lowenthal -- Mac-N-DOS is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... / Buy books, CDs, videos, and more from Amazon.com \ / http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/lowendmac \ Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Mac-N-DOS list info:http://lowendmac.com/lists/mac-n-dos.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:mac-n-dos@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-n-dos%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: PC won't shut down
Date sent: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:16:06 -0500 From: Brian Futrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] For the shutting down problem I agree with others on this list that you may need to press Ctrl-Alt-Del and view the running applications. Or use EndItAll/EndItAll2. I emailed both versions to her, and I've at least read reports that both work fine under Windows XP, which is the OS on Gretchen's family's Dell (I specify family because knowing her, I don't think there'd be a PC in the house if it were up to her--it'd be a pure Mac household ;). BTW, I'm willing to email those programs to anyone else who needs 'em, or else put 'em on my website for download if I get 100 emails in my inbox asking for 'em. :-) Depending on how old the computer is, the computer would display the message 'You can now turn off your computer'. This was true with computers with AT power supplies and older ATX systems that did not have ACPI configured properly. I'm not sure that any PC from that era is capable of running Windows XP-- not at an acceptable speed, anyway. -- I'm a MUGWump: My MUG is on the Mac side of the fence (since mid-2002), and my Wump is on the PC side (since 1989). I've been on the trailing edge of computer technology since 1987 and love it! [P.S.] Due to limitations on this account, please send binaries to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and a confirmation note here. -- Mac-N-DOS is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... / Buy books, CDs, videos, and more from Amazon.com \ / http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/lowendmac \ Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Mac-N-DOS list info:http://lowendmac.com/lists/mac-n-dos.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:mac-n-dos@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-n-dos%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: PC won't shut down--P.S.
Whenever you're shutting down programs, two programs you should not shut down are Explorer and Systray. Forgot to mention that. -- I'm a MUGWump: My MUG is on the Mac side of the fence (since mid-2002), and my Wump is on the PC side (since 1989). I've been on the trailing edge of computer technology since 1987 and love it! [P.S.] Due to limitations on this account, please send binaries to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and a confirmation note here. -- Mac-N-DOS is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... / Buy books, CDs, videos, and more from Amazon.com \ / http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/lowendmac \ Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Mac-N-DOS list info:http://lowendmac.com/lists/mac-n-dos.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:mac-n-dos@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-n-dos%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: PC won't shut down
As far as what I have used to scan for spyware, Spybot: Search and Destroy and Ad-Aware seem to work OK for me. They are both free for personal use. MS is supposed to have a Malicious Software Removal Tool for XP, but I haven't tried it yet. When your are shutting down, does it seem to freeze when shutting down, or does it display the message that You can now turn off the computer? Gretchen Summers wrote: Thanks, Mike. I am running XP. I haven't installed anything, but my daughters are the ones who use the Dell the most, and unfortunately, there is probably some spyware on it (teenagers and spyware go hand-in-hand). Virus scan was done just a day or two ago, and I don't have anything to scan for spyware. I'll give your attachments a try and let you know what I find. On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:25:44 -0500, MUGWump [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date sent: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:23:18 -0500 From: Gretchen Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] For some reason our Dell, running XP, suddenly won't shut down. I have to hold in the power button to get it to do so. I suspect some application running in the background that won't quit might be the culprit. Can anyone suggest a way to resolve this? If you were running an older version of Windows (9x/Me), I'd say give it the three-fingered salute (Ctrl-Alt-Del) which would open the Close Program window, select an item and hit End Task, then try again to shut down. Repeat as necessary until you get the right one. But I tried that on an XP machine once and couldn't figure out what to try. (I'm posting this for anyone who may have this kind of problem with 9x/Me.) I presume that no one has installed anything in the last few days (which would lead to a likely culprit) right? And have you done a virus scan and spyware scan (with updated definitions)? An alternate way of doing what I've described above is by using the PC Magazine utility End It All. I use it a lot to minimize memory use for tasks such as CD burning. There are two versions of this program, and I have 'em both--the original EndItAll is a lot more conservative as to what it'll expose for shutting down, so I'd recommend you try that one first instead of EndItAll2. Just select what you do and don't want it to shut down, then hit the end it all button. It's a one-shot deal; everything will reload next time you boot, so you don't lose anything. It also gives you the flexibility to try different things so you can identify what's causing the problem and then uninstall it. I'll email you off-list with zip files of the two programs. Later on, Mike -- Mac-N-DOS is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... / Buy books, CDs, videos, and more from Amazon.com \ / http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/lowendmac \ Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Mac-N-DOS list info:http://lowendmac.com/lists/mac-n-dos.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:mac-n-dos@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-n-dos%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: PC won't shut down -- Spyware
As far as spyware goes, hope this helps, Gretchen. I've been taking The Internet Tourbus pretty much since I've been on the 'net (over 10 years) and find it's the single best resource for getting savvy about the 'net. I recommend it to you and everybody on the list. Their slogan is why surf when you can ride the bus? It comes out semi- weekly, and is nice and bite-sized so you can get hold of one or two ideas really well. My advice to everybody on the list--GET ON THE BUS! Bob's advice on Ad-Aware and Spybot-Search Destroy is right on the mark. Get 'em both (they're both free) and put any spyware you have in the crossfire. HTH, Mike Webb aka MUGWump --- Forwarded message follows --- Date sent: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:44:30 -0500 Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Bob Rankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:TOURBUS - 02 DEC 2004 - Spyware To: TOURBUS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM -- TOURBUS Volume 10, Number 38 -- 02 Dec 2004 [ For best results view this with a monospace font like Courier. ] -- _ __ _ ___ _ / |/| | / | \ |SIX YEAR ANNIVERSARY JAMBOREE SPECIAL: InkJetsRus /| \ |__|__/__|__|___/_| \ / |\ | Just when you thought it couldn't get any better, hang on to || | your hat! We are NOW offering you 3 for the price of 1 on || | all NEW equivalent EPSON and CANON Inkjet Cartridges. Prices || | from $6.75 for 3 black and $10.50 for 3 color. || | --- http://www.InkJetsRus.net/tourbus --- || | NEW FREE CANON PRINTER. Three Models to Choose. Phone toll || | free for details 888-429-9373 (M-F 8:30 to 5:00)|| \___|| / \ / \ / \ \___/ \___/ T h e I n t e r n e t T o u r B u s\___/ Visit the Tourbus Home Page at http://www.TOURBUS.com ! TODAY'S TOURBUS TOPIC: Dealing with Spyware Is your computer running slower than usual? Has your browser's start page been hijacked? Having trouble reaching your favorite search engine? Popups driving you crazy? Most likely your computer is infested with spyware, the cockroaches of the digital age. Read on to learn how to detect and remove these unwelcome pests. -- Spy, Counter-spy -- A recent audit of 4000 UK firms found the average office PC contains 20 pieces of spyware, including system monitors and trojan horses, that could put confidential data at risk. And according to Webroot, the company that performed the testing, consumers are even worse off, with an average of 26 potentially malicious pieces of malware. MORE INFO - http://www.tourbus.com/spyware-news.html Chances are, you ARE affected. So what can you do? Start with a good anti-virus package such as Norton, McAfee, AVG or EZ-Armor. But before you *buy* anything, check with your service provider -- some of them are offering anti-virus software for free. McAfee virus protection is now included with AOL membership, and Road Runner offers their users the EZ-Armor package at no charge. If your ISP isn't offering any freebies, check out the free AVG package from Grisoft at [ http://free.grisoft.com/ ]. RELATED NEWS - http://www.tourbus.com/computer-virus-news.html Next, make sure your operating system is regularly receiving security fixes and updates. If you use Windows, click on Start-WindowsUpdate to scan your system for critical fixes. Mac users can stay up to date by clicking on Apple-Software Update. RELATED NEWS - http://www.tourbus.com/windows-xp-news.html RELATED NEWS - http://www.tourbus.com/apple-macintosh-news.html - Zzzzap! - Even with good anti-virus protection, system updates and careful attention to those annoying Do you want to run and install such-and-such popups, you can still get hit with spyware. Some programs (most notably peer-to-peer file/music sharing) install others surreptitiously. Toolbars, download helpers, screen savers and email icon packages are often bearers of these nasty pests. And if you have kids, just resign yourself to the onslaught. My favorite spyware zapper is a free tool called X-RAYPC, which examines all the processes running on your system and rates them as Good, Bad or Unknown. (X-RAYPC was designed as a more functional replacement for the popular HijackThis! system analyzer.) You can kill the nasties and delete them with just a few clicks. I recommend X-RAYPC only for more savvy PC users because it's a
