RE: Is there a way to map keys to other keys on Mac?
Is spark accessible with VO? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of louie Sent: Wednesday, 23 June 2010 3:53 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Is there a way to map keys to other keys on Mac? There is spark for the Mac. On Jun 21, 2010, at 8:55 PM, Alfredo wrote: I have a 13 mac book pro, and hence the keys it contains are limited and would like to know if there is a utility or way to map soem keys to other keys such as when you use spark on windows. I want to map my right command key to an option key, and my right option key to a control key so that I can use VO keys on both sides. Currently the mac book pro, only has the command and option keys on the right side of the key board whcih prevents me from executing some voice over keys easily. Any suggestions or help will be greatly appreciated. Alfredo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . louie louiem...@wavecable.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: reading a long pdf: vo vs spoken word in itunes
Ibooks is now available on the Ipod touch and Iphone, not just hte Ipad. Its not on the Mac. mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: how I delete podcasts from the ipod app
Does that work also with applications? I've been trying to remove an application I no longer want from my IPod but I've had no luck with it. I wonder now if this will work. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami Sent: Wednesday, 23 June 2010 9:14 a.m. To: mac vissionaries vissionaries Subject: tip: how I delete podcasts from the ipod app Ok all. Here is my method of deleting podcasts on the iphone. Not sure where else this works in the ipod app but yeah. 1. from within the ipod app navigate to the podcast button and double tap. 2. Now browse to the podcast such as market place, or car talk for example. 3. find the episode you want to delete, double tap and hold then swipe very slowly to the right. it should take you no more then 2 seconds to do this. Now check and it should say confirm deletion of xxx where xxx is your episode name. 4. double tap that episode and it is gone. Hope this helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Have a question on selecting multiple item and navigating by form field and text
Thanks for verifying my suspicion that having the page read automatically made me not land on an edit field automatically. This will help me tremendously as I am an avid internet user and do not need to know if a page is loaded or not. Although, it would be nice to have an audio feedback when the page loads, or the option to set on instead of having the page be read automatically upon opening. Jumping by element would be a great feature, a time saver, and I believe it is needed, I will write about about this. I did not know that you could browse the web with such ease using quick nave, you activate quick nave by pressing the up arrow key in conjunction with the down arrow key right? Thanks for the command VO + J, to jump to the text edit field, I did not this existed as the starting guide has not told me or did not tell me, or explained this. Even greater thanks for the suggestion to click command + L, then VO + right arrow, twice, to get to do a Google search. Do you know if this will open a new tab, or will it just replace the webpage I am on? Is the control + option +T command used in voice over or in jaws? Thanks, alfredo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: reading a long pdf: vo vs spoken word in itunes
Dear Simon, iBooks is available on the iPhone and iPod touch as well. So you can install the ap and read. Blessings, Ben King On Jun 22, 2010, at 10:59 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Is this I book application available for the ipod touch or IPhone? Or is it only for the mac osx From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peggy Fleischer Sent: Wednesday, 23 June 2010 12:21 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: reading a long pdf: vo vs spoken word in itunes How do you get the book loaded into Ibooks? Peggy Fleischer peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net Psalm 90 12 So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom. On Jun 21, 2010, at 11:41 PM, Greg Weller wrote: If you have the new version of ibooks that just came today you can read pdfs in that...I just loaded a 1500 page file and voiceober is reading it ...this is on an i Sent from my iPad On 21/06/2010, at 9:10 PM, Joel Zimba zimbameis...@gmail.com wrote: I did notice that I have a few pdfs in my books section of itunes. I'm not sure how I got them there... nor what to do with them exactly, it would be great if ibooks learned to read them, as I'm more and more impressed with it as I play. J On Jun 21, 2010, at 8:25 PM, Catherine Kudlick wrote: Hi All, Someone just sent me a long book manuscript as a pdf. If I wanted to read it on the go on my ipod touch, what's the best way to do it? Should I use voiceover? Or is it true that it's possible to convert the pdf to a spoken word text that I could access through itunes? If so, how do I do this? And is it easier to use in itunes than in VO? For example, can you set the pace of speech in these itunes files or mark your place? Also, can what I read be sync-ed between devices? For example if I start reading it on my Macbook Pro but then want to pick up on my ipod, would it sync to where I left off? Thanks so much, cathy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email tomacvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. pad...buttit should work on an iphone w IS 4 greg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Have a question on selecting multiple item and navigating by form field and text
Alfredo, The quick nav function is activated by pressing the left and right arrows together. The up and down arrows together is a voiceover press like VO-space bar. The up and right, or up and left arrows cycle you through either the web rotor or if not in a browser, they cycle you through the characters, words or navigation choices for reading. The right and down arrows together and left and down arrows interact and stop interacting respectively. Friendly, Chris On Jun 22, 2010, at 11:58 PM, Alfredo wrote: Thanks for verifying my suspicion that having the page read automatically made me not land on an edit field automatically. This will help me tremendously as I am an avid internet user and do not need to know if a page is loaded or not. Although, it would be nice to have an audio feedback when the page loads, or the option to set on instead of having the page be read automatically upon opening. Jumping by element would be a great feature, a time saver, and I believe it is needed, I will write about about this. I did not know that you could browse the web with such ease using quick nave, you activate quick nave by pressing the up arrow key in conjunction with the down arrow key right? Thanks for the command VO + J, to jump to the text edit field, I did not this existed as the starting guide has not told me or did not tell me, or explained this. Even greater thanks for the suggestion to click command + L, then VO + right arrow, twice, to get to do a Google search. Do you know if this will open a new tab, or will it just replace the webpage I am on? Is the control + option +T command used in voice over or in jaws? Thanks, alfredo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Have a question on selecting multiple item and navigating by form field and text
Hello Alfredo, I'll take this point by point. On Jun 23, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Alfredo wrote: Thanks for verifying my suspicion that having the page read automatically made me not land on an edit field automatically. This will help me tremendously as I am an avid internet user and do not need to know if a page is loaded or not. Although, it would be nice to have an audio feedback when the page loads, There is audio feedback when a page has loaded, it is a triple tone. Jumping by element would be a great feature, a time saver, and I believe it is needed, I will write about about this. You can go through all the elements on a page by opening the item chooser (VO-i). You can jump from header to header of any level, from header to header of the same level, from link to link, from visited link to visited link, and many other options. What more do you want? Have you explored the commands menus? I did not know that you could browse the web with such ease using quick nave, you activate quick nave by pressing the up arrow key in conjunction with the down arrow key right? No, you activate Quick Nav by pressing the left and right arrow keys. The up and down arrow keys together perform the default action. thanks for the suggestion to click command + L, then VO + right arrow, twice, to get to do a Google search. A quicker way to do a google search is to press Command-Option-f. The same command is used in Mail to launch a search. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Have a question on selecting multiple item and navigating by form field and text
In the voice utility VO+F8 you can activate sounds and this will give you an indication when a web page has loaded. This will save you from having to use the auto speak tor page summary read out when a web page is loaded. Quick Nav is toggled on and off by pressing left and right together. To open a new tab, press command + T To cycle through the open tabs select Control + Tab Hope this helps. If you want to send apple any feedback go to www.apple.com/feedback and you can also write to accessibil...@apple.com Hope this helps On 23 Jun 2010, at 07:58, Alfredo wrote: Thanks for verifying my suspicion that having the page read automatically made me not land on an edit field automatically. This will help me tremendously as I am an avid internet user and do not need to know if a page is loaded or not. Although, it would be nice to have an audio feedback when the page loads, or the option to set on instead of having the page be read automatically upon opening. Jumping by element would be a great feature, a time saver, and I believe it is needed, I will write about about this. I did not know that you could browse the web with such ease using quick nave, you activate quick nave by pressing the up arrow key in conjunction with the down arrow key right? Thanks for the command VO + J, to jump to the text edit field, I did not this existed as the starting guide has not told me or did not tell me, or explained this. Even greater thanks for the suggestion to click command + L, then VO + right arrow, twice, to get to do a Google search. Do you know if this will open a new tab, or will it just replace the webpage I am on? Is the control + option +T command used in voice over or in jaws? Thanks, alfredo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: reading a long pdf: vo vs spoken word in itunes
Go into the app store on your iPod/iPhone and click on featured, you will see it there. On 23 Jun 2010, at 08:13, Ben King wrote: Dear Simon, iBooks is available on the iPhone and iPod touch as well. So you can install the ap and read. Blessings, Ben King On Jun 22, 2010, at 10:59 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Is this I book application available for the ipod touch or IPhone? Or is it only for the mac osx From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peggy Fleischer Sent: Wednesday, 23 June 2010 12:21 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: reading a long pdf: vo vs spoken word in itunes How do you get the book loaded into Ibooks? Peggy Fleischer peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net Psalm 90 12 So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom. On Jun 21, 2010, at 11:41 PM, Greg Weller wrote: If you have the new version of ibooks that just came today you can read pdfs in that...I just loaded a 1500 page file and voiceober is reading it ...this is on an i Sent from my iPad On 21/06/2010, at 9:10 PM, Joel Zimba zimbameis...@gmail.com wrote: I did notice that I have a few pdfs in my books section of itunes. I'm not sure how I got them there... nor what to do with them exactly, it would be great if ibooks learned to read them, as I'm more and more impressed with it as I play. J On Jun 21, 2010, at 8:25 PM, Catherine Kudlick wrote: Hi All, Someone just sent me a long book manuscript as a pdf. If I wanted to read it on the go on my ipod touch, what's the best way to do it? Should I use voiceover? Or is it true that it's possible to convert the pdf to a spoken word text that I could access through itunes? If so, how do I do this? And is it easier to use in itunes than in VO? For example, can you set the pace of speech in these itunes files or mark your place? Also, can what I read be sync-ed between devices? For example if I start reading it on my Macbook Pro but then want to pick up on my ipod, would it sync to where I left off? Thanks so much, cathy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email tomacvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. pad...buttit should work on an iphone w IS 4 greg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Economics and the Mac
Microsoft tried to make a full screen reader over 10 years ago. Between the National Federation of the Blind, and the various screen reader companies, they were threatened with all sorts of vocally loud press for putting blind people out of work at the AT companies. MS decided that hot potato was more trouble than it was worth, and dropped the project. I guess Apple didn't get the same treatment since there was no screen reader company to put out of business, unless you count how Berkeley Systems got shafted, and most of the blindness orgs know that, while individuals might like Macs, business and academia will continue to insist on Windows machines for a long time to come. Macs are mostly irrelevant to them. Bryan On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Richie Gardenhire wrote: I have changed the subject line to more reflect on the discussion at hand. If Apple can set aside resources to make their Mac computers universally marketed across the board, there is no reason why Microsoftshouldn't, (and they definitely have the resources and the technical expertise throughout the company) to do so. And if it brings the prices down, and Microsoft does, for example, develop a mechanism by which Windows can be installed out of the box without sighted assistance, companies such as Freedom Scientific would then be forced to either go with the trend; otherwise, they would lose their economic dolars; after all, isn't that what competition for tax dollars and marketshare is all about? In my humble opinion, for what it's worth, the only reason Freedom Scientific survives in the market is because they have contracted with some state agencies and government entities, and we bare the brunt of the expense ineirectly. I paid less for my car than I have for braille displays costing $8000 to $12,000 dollars at a time. In Alaska, for example, the biggest majority of vision loss occurs in the elderly population and baby boomers who are about to reach retirement age. We have no school for the blind in Alaska; therefore, if parents want to send their blind kids off to a residential school, they would have to send them Stateside, which costs the state thousands of dollars which they could probably find other revenues to use elsewhere.There are a handful of us who are blind and visually-impaired Macusers, but that numberis increasing, as the word about VoiceOver gets out. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:21 PM, carlene knight wrote: I know that the companies take huge advantage of the fact that they have a guaranteed nitch and can charge whatever they want. That's why I will not upgrade my JAWS SMA. For one thing I don't need it and secondly, I don't want to pay that kind of price for an upgrade, but FS knows that they can get away with it because of a guaranteed market. I'm not saying things could not change, but simply stating that you can't get JAWS or a Braille display from a home electronics ore software store, and I wouldn't expect to happen any time soon if ever. In their eyes, why should They bother as they won't sell enough of them to make it worth their while. There is a cell phone put out by Capital Accessibility in Europe. I've seen one and it's no big deal. The speech is great, but there is no camera, digital screen, or anything that might ad a bit of a price to the phone. It's built like a brick, but it is over $500 and though the speech is clear, it's very robotic. Tell me that's not ridiculous? I don't know that agencies are responsible for this one, but the phone is so tailored to our needs that somebody will buy it. Not me. Granted, if more people were learning braille and speech software as they were dealing with macular degeneration, and there was a big enough demand for it, things might come down a bit. That's great about the scanner. I'd better stop typing now as I am misspelling more things than I am typing correctly and am about to throw this keyboard, though it's not at fault. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: With all due respect, that argument has been used time and time again. To that, I say this: the best example of a product that has gone down in price because of the acceptance of it by the sighted community, is the optical scanner, which was originally intended for use by the blind for scanning newspapers, magazines, and othr documents in their computers or reading machines. Back then, you had to pay thousands of dolars for the machine, and ys, state agencies bought it for us, if we were lucky. Now, one can buy a scanner and to a certain extent, software for scanning pictures, text, and other document forms into one's PC, at a fraction of the cost it was in the 1970's. The point here is that it found a marketable niche among the sighted community, and once they were mass-produced, prices started coming down and people could afford said scanners. While braille displays
Re: Economics and the Mac
In regards to your academia comment, the public school system, my high school's library, as well as mobile labs many elementary schools around here, are Mac-based. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Bryan Smart bryansm...@bryansmart.comwrote: Microsoft tried to make a full screen reader over 10 years ago. Between the National Federation of the Blind, and the various screen reader companies, they were threatened with all sorts of vocally loud press for putting blind people out of work at the AT companies. MS decided that hot potato was more trouble than it was worth, and dropped the project. I guess Apple didn't get the same treatment since there was no screen reader company to put out of business, unless you count how Berkeley Systems got shafted, and most of the blindness orgs know that, while individuals might like Macs, business and academia will continue to insist on Windows machines for a long time to come. Macs are mostly irrelevant to them. Bryan On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Richie Gardenhire wrote: I have changed the subject line to more reflect on the discussion at hand. If Apple can set aside resources to make their Mac computers universally marketed across the board, there is no reason why Microsoftshouldn't, (and they definitely have the resources and the technical expertise throughout the company) to do so. And if it brings the prices down, and Microsoft does, for example, develop a mechanism by which Windows can be installed out of the box without sighted assistance, companies such as Freedom Scientific would then be forced to either go with the trend; otherwise, they would lose their economic dolars; after all, isn't that what competition for tax dollars and marketshare is all about? In my humble opinion, for what it's worth, the only reason Freedom Scientific survives in the market is because they have contracted with some state agencies and government entities, and we bare the brunt of the expense ineirectly. I paid less for my car than I have for braille displays costing $8000 to $12,000 dollars at a time. In Alaska, for example, the biggest majority of vision loss occurs in the elderly population and baby boomers who are about to reach retirement age. We have no school for the blind in Alaska; therefore, if parents want to send their blind kids off to a residential school, they would have to send them Stateside, which costs the state thousands of dollars which they could probably find other revenues to use elsewhere.There are a handful of us who are blind and visually-impaired Macusers, but that numberis increasing, as the word about VoiceOver gets out. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:21 PM, carlene knight wrote: I know that the companies take huge advantage of the fact that they have a guaranteed nitch and can charge whatever they want. That's why I will not upgrade my JAWS SMA. For one thing I don't need it and secondly, I don't want to pay that kind of price for an upgrade, but FS knows that they can get away with it because of a guaranteed market. I'm not saying things could not change, but simply stating that you can't get JAWS or a Braille display from a home electronics ore software store, and I wouldn't expect to happen any time soon if ever. In their eyes, why should They bother as they won't sell enough of them to make it worth their while. There is a cell phone put out by Capital Accessibility in Europe. I've seen one and it's no big deal. The speech is great, but there is no camera, digital screen, or anything that might ad a bit of a price to the phone. It's built like a brick, but it is over $500 and though the speech is clear, it's very robotic. Tell me that's not ridiculous? I don't know that agencies are responsible for this one, but the phone is so tailored to our needs that somebody will buy it. Not me. Granted, if more people were learning braille and speech software as they were dealing with macular degeneration, and there was a big enough demand for it, things might come down a bit. That's great about the scanner. I'd better stop typing now as I am misspelling more things than I am typing correctly and am about to throw this keyboard, though it's not at fault. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: With all due respect, that argument has been used time and time again. To that, I say this: the best example of a product that has gone down in price because of the acceptance of it by the sighted community, is the optical scanner, which was originally intended for use by the blind for scanning newspapers, magazines, and othr documents in their computers or reading machines. Back then, you had to pay thousands of dolars for the machine, and ys, state agencies bought it for us, if we were lucky. Now, one can buy a scanner and to a certain extent, software for scanning
RE: reading a long pdf: vo vs spoken word in itunes
Mary, I assume, that by people discussing it on this list, that it's accessible to us on these devices? Will it read e books or is it for mp3 / m4b type audio books etc? I've got a number of e-books that I'd really like to be reading but can't find a decent e book reader that works with vo! Cheers Simon F -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Wednesday, 23 June 2010 6:46 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: reading a long pdf: vo vs spoken word in itunes Ibooks is now available on the Ipod touch and Iphone, not just hte Ipad. Its not on the Mac. mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: reading a long pdf: vo vs spoken word in itunes
Thanks Ben, I assume that iBooks is free app for the iPod touch? Cheers Simon F From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben King Sent: Wednesday, 23 June 2010 7:13 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: reading a long pdf: vo vs spoken word in itunes Dear Simon, iBooks is available on the iPhone and iPod touch as well. So you can install the ap and read. Blessings, Ben King On Jun 22, 2010, at 10:59 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Is this I book application available for the ipod touch or IPhone? Or is it only for the mac osx From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peggy Fleischer Sent: Wednesday, 23 June 2010 12:21 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: reading a long pdf: vo vs spoken word in itunes How do you get the book loaded into Ibooks? Peggy Fleischer peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net Psalm sword://verses%20on%20one%20l...@kjv/Psalms%2090?notip 90 sword://verses%20on%20one%20l...@kjv/Psalms%2090:12?notip 12 So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom. On Jun 21, 2010, at 11:41 PM, Greg Weller wrote: If you have the new version of ibooks that just came today you can read pdfs in that...I just loaded a 1500 page file and voiceober is reading it ...this is on an i Sent from my iPad On 21/06/2010, at 9:10 PM, Joel Zimba zimbameis...@gmail.com wrote: I did notice that I have a few pdfs in my books section of itunes. I'm not sure how I got them there... nor what to do with them exactly, it would be great if ibooks learned to read them, as I'm more and more impressed with it as I play. J On Jun 21, 2010, at 8:25 PM, Catherine Kudlick wrote: Hi All, Someone just sent me a long book manuscript as a pdf. If I wanted to read it on the go on my ipod touch, what's the best way to do it? Should I use voiceover? Or is it true that it's possible to convert the pdf to a spoken word text that I could access through itunes? If so, how do I do this? And is it easier to use in itunes than in VO? For example, can you set the pace of speech in these itunes files or mark your place? Also, can what I read be sync-ed between devices? For example if I start reading it on my Macbook Pro but then want to pick up on my ipod, would it sync to where I left off? Thanks so much, cathy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email tomacvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. pad...buttit should work on an iphone w IS 4 greg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: VoiceOver and Apple Script
23 jun 2010 kl. 05.39 skrev Chris Moore: You can create keyboard shortcuts to hotspots, so you could try creating a hot spot to the battery status in the menu bar Pardon me if i'm wrong here, it was ages since i looked at the hot spot feature, but isn't it so that you can't save hotspots, so you'll have to create them every time you want them? That's about one of the only things in voiceover that i wish could be better, a set of savable hotspots that you could save on a per application basis, possibly with ability to name, just like in Outspoken if anyone remember that feature. /Krister -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Safari Update
Hi, i don't know if i'm wrong or what it is, but i don't seem to have any of the problems described since upgrading to Safari 5. Haven't run it so much on my Macbook though, so maybe the bugs are there. Only thing i can confirm is the bug in Ichat where you can see dates of chats but not the text of the message. I have tried both with the mouse following vo cursor and without and don't have any problems. /Krister 23 jun 2010 kl. 05.32 skrev Cody Hurst: Voiceover doesn't seem to meshw ell with facebook either. sometimes if I'm kicked out of the html content even if I just try to arrow over it and not even interact with it, voiceover crashes and relaunches On Jun 22, 2010, at 6:00 PM, rayna424 wrote: Hey all, Haven't had any problems, so haven't needed to post. I searched to see how ya'll were feeling about the latest Safari update, and it seems I'm not alone. Safari keeps freaking out when I navigate by headers on certain sites, and it's really freaking out with Blogger now. When I interact with text, I can't use command up arrow and down arrow to get from top to bottom, and when I'm interacting, it won't let me go line by line in a text edit field. So the only way to edit is to go word by word. Also, when I click the select all link for labels, Safari dies and I have to restart it. Every time. So I don't do that anymore and I've started composing blogs in text edit. This takes me back to being afraid to install Windows updates. I'm still using Leopard. Is anyone having problems with the latest Safari in Snow? Just had to complain. I send the error reports to Apple every time since at least with Apple, I have faith that they are listening. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
sendspace app
Hi just downloaded sendspace and can't input my user name and password. When i type nothing gets put in the field. I made sure the edit field had focus. any suggestions thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: braille display key assignments
Hi, Mary. On the Iphone at least, and I would suspect that throughout I OS 4, if you go into the practice Voice Over gestures, which is under settings/general/accessibility/voice over, you are able to hit keys on the braille display and be told what they do as well as having what they do displayed. I hope this helps. Aman -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:06 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: braille display key assignments Hi all, For those of you using braille displays, I'm curious whether it has been standard operating procedure for Apple to provide key assignments for the various keys on supported displays. I got the idea this info was available if one has a display hooked up, which I don't yet have. I ask because the upgrade to ios4 has added braille support, with a number of displays apparently supported. I know its early days yet for this, so its possible that the key assignments for supported displays will be available in the updated support documentation. thus far, people are having to go to voice over gestures and try different combinations to figure out what the keys on their display will do. Beats a blank, as they say. but I would hope that the practice will be to have key assignments listed in the relevant support docs once they become available. mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: handy tech braille star 40 bluetooth pairing with iphone
Hi Doug, When I'm entering that braille section in the voice over settings, my iphone keep on searching for devices but no handy tech is showing up. when I'm scanning with my macbook, The Handy Tech is found. Any future tips should be very welcome. :) tia -Peter Op 22-jun-2010, om 22:24 heeft Doug Lawlor het volgende geschreven: Hi Peter, make sure to go into Braille settings in the VoiceOver settings to pair you're display. This is not done under the Bluetooth settings.Doug Sent from my iPhone On 2010-06-22, at 4:14 PM, Peter Durieux pe...@digileuven.be wrote: Hi folks, Has anyone success pairing the Handy techs Braillestar 40 with his iphone/ipod? My Iphone seems searching , but don't see the device. When I scan with my macbook, it was found. Any suggestions should be appreciated. tia -Peter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: VoiceOver and Apple Script
Hi, Just a common misconception. VoiceOver does not have to be allowed to use AppleScript to use the Keyboard commander. This may be true for some AppleScripts, however my custom ones seem to work fine without it checked. Only difference is that it will tell you information through your system voice, and not VoiceOVer, as an example. This means you can have one voice for VoiceOver, and whatever settings are used for your system speech will be used with keyboard commander. I just wanted to clarify here as a tip. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:52 AM, Linda Adams wrote: Fonzie, In addition to checking scripts, my cheat sheet also says the keyboard commander in VO utilities has to be enabled. HTH Linda -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fonzie Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:24 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: VoiceOver and Apple Script Hey all, I hope everyone is well. Been a while since I have posted to the list. Anywho, a friend of mine recently got a mac, and he go the new mac, with the wireless keyboard and mouse. Everything was set up fine, but when I told him he could get the time by using Option + T while voiceover was running, the command did not work. I made sure to have him check the Allow VoiceOver to be controlled by AppleScript in the VoiceOver Utility, but still no dice. Any idea as to why this is not working as it should? I know it iis an apple script, but as I remember it, when I loaded Snow Leopard, my scripts worked out of the box. Help is appreciated if you have experienced this issue before, or have some general direction of what I could have him do. Thanks. Take care. Fonzie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2956 - Release Date: 06/22/10 18:36:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: how I delete podcasts from the ipod app
i had this happen on my mac the other day and had to go to utilities and then to activitiy monitor to turn the program off before i could remove it and then eventually send it to the trash. hope that helps, max On Jun 23, 2010, at 1:51 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Does that work also with applications? I've been trying to remove an application I no longer want from my IPod but I've had no luck with it. I wonder now if this will work. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami Sent: Wednesday, 23 June 2010 9:14 a.m. To: mac vissionaries vissionaries Subject: tip: how I delete podcasts from the ipod app Ok all. Here is my method of deleting podcasts on the iphone. Not sure where else this works in the ipod app but yeah. 1. from within the ipod app navigate to the podcast button and double tap. 2. Now browse to the podcast such as market place, or car talk for example. 3. find the episode you want to delete, double tap and hold then swipe very slowly to the right. it should take you no more then 2 seconds to do this. Now check and it should say confirm deletion of xxx where xxx is your episode name. 4. double tap that episode and it is gone. Hope this helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Safari Update
Hello; after i upgraded my safari and mail programs were both less stable a lot of jumping in voiceover's speaking. But after a restart most all of that seams to have gone away thank goodness. I was having to read emails line by line because vo would stop reading the text and start giving me system info or focus info or something else i didn't want right that second. safari seams to be faster and the one site i can't live without my webstats program is still accessible. in the last update of safari i couldn't read my reports until the .1 version came out; so over all I'm happy. I don't have an audible account, so I won't be surprised if people did have and are still having problems there. lets all hope things smooth out even more in .1 take care, max On Jun 23, 2010, at 4:11 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hi, i don't know if i'm wrong or what it is, but i don't seem to have any of the problems described since upgrading to Safari 5. Haven't run it so much on my Macbook though, so maybe the bugs are there. Only thing i can confirm is the bug in Ichat where you can see dates of chats but not the text of the message. I have tried both with the mouse following vo cursor and without and don't have any problems. /Krister 23 jun 2010 kl. 05.32 skrev Cody Hurst: Voiceover doesn't seem to meshw ell with facebook either. sometimes if I'm kicked out of the html content even if I just try to arrow over it and not even interact with it, voiceover crashes and relaunches On Jun 22, 2010, at 6:00 PM, rayna424 wrote: Hey all, Haven't had any problems, so haven't needed to post. I searched to see how ya'll were feeling about the latest Safari update, and it seems I'm not alone. Safari keeps freaking out when I navigate by headers on certain sites, and it's really freaking out with Blogger now. When I interact with text, I can't use command up arrow and down arrow to get from top to bottom, and when I'm interacting, it won't let me go line by line in a text edit field. So the only way to edit is to go word by word. Also, when I click the select all link for labels, Safari dies and I have to restart it. Every time. So I don't do that anymore and I've started composing blogs in text edit. This takes me back to being afraid to install Windows updates. I'm still using Leopard. Is anyone having problems with the latest Safari in Snow? Just had to complain. I send the error reports to Apple every time since at least with Apple, I have faith that they are listening. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
sendspace problem resolved
Hi my send space issue is resolved. I had to do a physical mouse click on the trackpad. Also i noticed in the menu there was a option that said enable voice over support. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Color Replacement for the Mac
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Re: handy tech braille star 40 bluetooth pairing with iphone
Hi Peter, I would email Apple accessibility regarding this. Include the make and model of the display for them so they can take a look at the problem. Doug Sent from my iPhone On 2010-06-23, at 8:03 AM, Peter Durieux pe...@digileuven.be wrote: Hi Doug, When I'm entering that braille section in the voice over settings, my iphone keep on searching for devices but no handy tech is showing up. when I'm scanning with my macbook, The Handy Tech is found. Any future tips should be very welcome. :) tia -Peter Op 22-jun-2010, om 22:24 heeft Doug Lawlor het volgende geschreven: Hi Peter, make sure to go into Braille settings in the VoiceOver settings to pair you're display. This is not done under the Bluetooth settings.Doug Sent from my iPhone On 2010-06-22, at 4:14 PM, Peter Durieux pe...@digileuven.be wrote: Hi folks, Has anyone success pairing the Handy techs Braillestar 40 with his iphone/ipod? My Iphone seems searching , but don't see the device. When I scan with my macbook, it was found. Any suggestions should be appreciated. tia -Peter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Gestures on Multi-Touch trackpad.
Hello to all on the List. hope that all are well. Yesterday I bought my first MacBook pro 13inch 13inch 2.66GHz (Intel Core 2 Duo, 4Gb RAM, 320Gb Been using a Mac for coming up for three Years since Leopard got Braille support built in to it. And a very Happy Mac user. with an iMac and three Mac Minis. My Question and help I need is can anyone please give me any info about using VoiceOver Gestures on Multi-Touch trackpad. I read here that many of you use podt casts to learn from others about this. I am a Deafblind person so these things are no good to me. is there a good and helpful text document out there that I can read and learn all the thinks I can do with this great little trackpad. I would be very grateful for any info or help Please. all the very best to you all. Yours James The highest result of education is tolerance. Hellen Keller -- James Gallagher A-Z to Deafblindness http://www.deafblind.com A Deafblindness Web Resource http://www.deafblind.co.uk Learn more about Braille Chess at http://www.BrailleChess.com My Guide Dogs http://www.wilma.co.uk For the Sighted Hearing my WAP site is at http://tagtag.com/deafblind -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: handy tech braille star 40 bluetooth pairing with iphone
Good morning Doug and anyone owning a Handy Tech Braille Display, I am currently in contact with Apple concerning the connectivity issues with Braille and IOS4. I'll report my findings as soon as I have more information. Hai On Jun 23, 2010, at 7:31 AM, Doug Lawlor wrote: Hi Peter, I would email Apple accessibility regarding this. Include the make and model of the display for them so they can take a look at the problem. Doug Sent from my iPhone On 2010-06-23, at 8:03 AM, Peter Durieux pe...@digileuven.be wrote: Hi Doug, When I'm entering that braille section in the voice over settings, my iphone keep on searching for devices but no handy tech is showing up. when I'm scanning with my macbook, The Handy Tech is found. Any future tips should be very welcome. :) tia -Peter Op 22-jun-2010, om 22:24 heeft Doug Lawlor het volgende geschreven: Hi Peter, make sure to go into Braille settings in the VoiceOver settings to pair you're display. This is not done under the Bluetooth settings.Doug Sent from my iPhone On 2010-06-22, at 4:14 PM, Peter Durieux pe...@digileuven.be wrote: Hi folks, Has anyone success pairing the Handy techs Braillestar 40 with his iphone/ipod? My Iphone seems searching , but don't see the device. When I scan with my macbook, it was found. Any suggestions should be appreciated. tia -Peter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Gestures on Multi-Touch trackpad.
The ones I know (I use my iMac more then my macbook) flick left or right to move back and forth. Two fingers down swipe to read all. 3 fingers down swipe up and down to move up and down a page. 2 finger double tap at the bottom of the pad for the dock. 2 finger double tap at the top of the pad for the menu. Use 2 fingers and turn for the rota settings. 2 finger double tap on the left middle for open applications and 2 finger double tap on the right middle for open windows. Sorry to anyone in advance if I have left stuff out and made a mistake, like I say I have not got into gestures much yet. Hope this helps though Chris On 23 Jun 2010, at 13:52, James Gallagher wrote: Hello to all on the List. hope that all are well. Yesterday I bought my first MacBook pro 13inch 13inch 2.66GHz (Intel Core 2 Duo, 4Gb RAM, 320Gb Been using a Mac for coming up for three Years since Leopard got Braille support built in to it. And a very Happy Mac user. with an iMac and three Mac Minis. My Question and help I need is can anyone please give me any info about using VoiceOver Gestures on Multi-Touch trackpad. I read here that many of you use podt casts to learn from others about this. I am a Deafblind person so these things are no good to me. is there a good and helpful text document out there that I can read and learn all the thinks I can do with this great little trackpad. I would be very grateful for any info or help Please. all the very best to you all. Yours James The highest result of education is tolerance. Hellen Keller -- James Gallagher A-Z to Deafblindness http://www.deafblind.com A Deafblindness Web Resource http://www.deafblind.co.uk Learn more about Braille Chess at http://www.BrailleChess.com My Guide Dogs http://www.wilma.co.uk For the Sighted Hearing my WAP site is at http://tagtag.com/deafblind -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Gestures on Multi-Touch trackpad.
Hi, Consult the VoiceOVer manual. They're all in there. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Chris Moore wrote: The ones I know (I use my iMac more then my macbook) flick left or right to move back and forth. Two fingers down swipe to read all. 3 fingers down swipe up and down to move up and down a page. 2 finger double tap at the bottom of the pad for the dock. 2 finger double tap at the top of the pad for the menu. Use 2 fingers and turn for the rota settings. 2 finger double tap on the left middle for open applications and 2 finger double tap on the right middle for open windows. Sorry to anyone in advance if I have left stuff out and made a mistake, like I say I have not got into gestures much yet. Hope this helps though Chris On 23 Jun 2010, at 13:52, James Gallagher wrote: Hello to all on the List. hope that all are well. Yesterday I bought my first MacBook pro 13inch 13inch 2.66GHz (Intel Core 2 Duo, 4Gb RAM, 320Gb Been using a Mac for coming up for three Years since Leopard got Braille support built in to it. And a very Happy Mac user. with an iMac and three Mac Minis. My Question and help I need is can anyone please give me any info about using VoiceOver Gestures on Multi-Touch trackpad. I read here that many of you use podt casts to learn from others about this. I am a Deafblind person so these things are no good to me. is there a good and helpful text document out there that I can read and learn all the thinks I can do with this great little trackpad. I would be very grateful for any info or help Please. all the very best to you all. Yours James The highest result of education is tolerance. Hellen Keller -- James Gallagher A-Z to Deafblindness http://www.deafblind.com A Deafblindness Web Resource http://www.deafblind.co.uk Learn more about Braille Chess at http://www.BrailleChess.com My Guide Dogs http://www.wilma.co.uk For the Sighted Hearing my WAP site is at http://tagtag.com/deafblind -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Have a question on selecting multiple item and navigating by form field and text
VO+command+e will move between controls and form fields on webpages. On Jun 22, 2010, at 7:51 PM, Alfredo wrote: Tje rotor utility is not efficient enough for me, I hate to make a comparison but with jaws I get to a text edit field, like the google webpage one, automatically or by pressing the f key. With voice over in safari, when I go to the google webpage I have to use the VO keys along with the right arrow key several times, about 4 or 5, to get to the text edit field. The safari way requires more key strokes, if I could remove key strokes then better. I could use the web item rotor and the fo to forms, and then the text edit field but I think this requires the same number of keystrokes. Maybe as I get used to the mac I will get better and be able to find a wayt o do this. I will try grouping mode to see if this helps. Should the voice over cursor be focus on the google search field when i load the google web page? It does on other pages, like the gmail web page. Maybe if I turn off automatic speaking of webpages when they load. Thank for clarifying the thing about the multiple tabs, I search online, on google, and only found one solution for this, and i think it was becuase of safari 5 extensions, whcih I currently do not have. With everyone saying that it caused them trouble I will stay away from it for another month or so. Thanks again for the response. alfredo Chris Moore wrote: Is the form item in the rota not efficient enough for you? (you can create a short cut to toggle between DOM and group mode) as for text elements , have you tried surfing in grouping mode?when you mention tabs, do you mean they are automatically open with the web pages loaded of your choice? Not that I am aware of maybe as Safari 5 has been opened up someone might develop an add on. for now you will have to press command + T for a new tab. and then use control + tab to cycle through them. On 22 Jun 2010, at 18:08, Alfredo wrote: I am going through the online tutorial with voice over and am hitting some bumps in the way. 1. Can you navigate the web by form field like in jaws? In jaws you just clicked the “f” key and you would land on a form field, such as an edit box, radio button, or button. 2. Is there a way to navigate text element by text element, sometimes it would be useful just to get to the text section of a webpage, especially ones that contain many links. Is there a hot key to navigate text element by text element on the web? 3. I was reading the select multiple items section and tried it on the Voice over utilities, VO + F8, and went into his web section, and went to the web rotor popup menu. I wanted to select multiple items or deselect multiple items but I could not. Plus VO does not tell you if the checkbox on the popup menu is on or off, even when I pressed VO + f8. Can anyone shine a light on this? I can live with having to close the menu for every selected Item I want but it would be more convenient to just select all items I want then close the popup menu. 4. Is there a way to set up multiple tabs upon starting safari? I had multiple tabs for my internet explorer on windows since this way I have quick access to my bank account webpage, phone bill web page, Google search, Gmail, NFL website, book share, and others. Does anyone know how to do this? 6. Is there a way to activate a link from within the web item rotor? Like for example, instead of just going to the link selected from the web item rotor can I activate that link so that the web page will load up auto magically? This would save me on more steps in selecting the link. If there is no way to do this, then I will send an email to apple suggesting that they add this feature. The can do like, if you press the control key while selecting a link on the web item rotor you will activate the like not only go to it. Any help would be greatly appreciated; the Mac experience is going good so far -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Needing help with Itunes radio
Hi, I'm trying to look for a station in the Itunes Radio selection, but when I go to a genre, they're all collaps and I can't expand them. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Courtney -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Have a question on selecting multiple item and navigating by form field and text
NO, This is VO command J. VO command E brings you to the next misspelled word. On Jun 23, 2010, at 10:09 AM, Robert Munro wrote: VO+command+e will move between controls and form fields on webpages. On Jun 22, 2010, at 7:51 PM, Alfredo wrote: Tje rotor utility is not efficient enough for me, I hate to make a comparison but with jaws I get to a text edit field, like the google webpage one, automatically or by pressing the f key. With voice over in safari, when I go to the google webpage I have to use the VO keys along with the right arrow key several times, about 4 or 5, to get to the text edit field. The safari way requires more key strokes, if I could remove key strokes then better. I could use the web item rotor and the fo to forms, and then the text edit field but I think this requires the same number of keystrokes. Maybe as I get used to the mac I will get better and be able to find a wayt o do this. I will try grouping mode to see if this helps. Should the voice over cursor be focus on the google search field when i load the google web page? It does on other pages, like the gmail web page. Maybe if I turn off automatic speaking of webpages when they load. Thank for clarifying the thing about the multiple tabs, I search online, on google, and only found one solution for this, and i think it was becuase of safari 5 extensions, whcih I currently do not have. With everyone saying that it caused them trouble I will stay away from it for another month or so. Thanks again for the response. alfredo Chris Moore wrote: Is the form item in the rota not efficient enough for you? (you can create a short cut to toggle between DOM and group mode) as for text elements , have you tried surfing in grouping mode?when you mention tabs, do you mean they are automatically open with the web pages loaded of your choice? Not that I am aware of maybe as Safari 5 has been opened up someone might develop an add on. for now you will have to press command + T for a new tab. and then use control + tab to cycle through them. On 22 Jun 2010, at 18:08, Alfredo wrote: I am going through the online tutorial with voice over and am hitting some bumps in the way. 1. Can you navigate the web by form field like in jaws? In jaws you just clicked the “f” key and you would land on a form field, such as an edit box, radio button, or button. 2. Is there a way to navigate text element by text element, sometimes it would be useful just to get to the text section of a webpage, especially ones that contain many links. Is there a hot key to navigate text element by text element on the web? 3. I was reading the select multiple items section and tried it on the Voice over utilities, VO + F8, and went into his web section, and went to the web rotor popup menu. I wanted to select multiple items or deselect multiple items but I could not. Plus VO does not tell you if the checkbox on the popup menu is on or off, even when I pressed VO + f8. Can anyone shine a light on this? I can live with having to close the menu for every selected Item I want but it would be more convenient to just select all items I want then close the popup menu. 4. Is there a way to set up multiple tabs upon starting safari? I had multiple tabs for my internet explorer on windows since this way I have quick access to my bank account webpage, phone bill web page, Google search, Gmail, NFL website, book share, and others. Does anyone know how to do this? 6. Is there a way to activate a link from within the web item rotor? Like for example, instead of just going to the link selected from the web item rotor can I activate that link so that the web page will load up auto magically? This would save me on more steps in selecting the link. If there is no way to do this, then I will send an email to apple suggesting that they add this feature. The can do like, if you press the control key while selecting a link on the web item rotor you will activate the like not only go to it. Any help would be greatly appreciated; the Mac experience is going good so far -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post
Re: Economics and the Mac
Hi, I don't mean to be harsh but, your local school system is the minority. It really has no baring on Bryan's original comment. On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:41 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: In regards to your academia comment, the public school system, my high school's library, as well as mobile labs many elementary schools around here, are Mac-based. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Bryan Smart bryansm...@bryansmart.com wrote: Microsoft tried to make a full screen reader over 10 years ago. Between the National Federation of the Blind, and the various screen reader companies, they were threatened with all sorts of vocally loud press for putting blind people out of work at the AT companies. MS decided that hot potato was more trouble than it was worth, and dropped the project. I guess Apple didn't get the same treatment since there was no screen reader company to put out of business, unless you count how Berkeley Systems got shafted, and most of the blindness orgs know that, while individuals might like Macs, business and academia will continue to insist on Windows machines for a long time to come. Macs are mostly irrelevant to them. Bryan On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Richie Gardenhire wrote: I have changed the subject line to more reflect on the discussion at hand. If Apple can set aside resources to make their Mac computers universally marketed across the board, there is no reason why Microsoftshouldn't, (and they definitely have the resources and the technical expertise throughout the company) to do so. And if it brings the prices down, and Microsoft does, for example, develop a mechanism by which Windows can be installed out of the box without sighted assistance, companies such as Freedom Scientific would then be forced to either go with the trend; otherwise, they would lose their economic dolars; after all, isn't that what competition for tax dollars and marketshare is all about? In my humble opinion, for what it's worth, the only reason Freedom Scientific survives in the market is because they have contracted with some state agencies and government entities, and we bare the brunt of the expense ineirectly. I paid less for my car than I have for braille displays costing $8000 to $12,000 dollars at a time. In Alaska, for example, the biggest majority of vision loss occurs in the elderly population and baby boomers who are about to reach retirement age. We have no school for the blind in Alaska; therefore, if parents want to send their blind kids off to a residential school, they would have to send them Stateside, which costs the state thousands of dollars which they could probably find other revenues to use elsewhere.There are a handful of us who are blind and visually-impaired Macusers, but that numberis increasing, as the word about VoiceOver gets out. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:21 PM, carlene knight wrote: I know that the companies take huge advantage of the fact that they have a guaranteed nitch and can charge whatever they want. That's why I will not upgrade my JAWS SMA. For one thing I don't need it and secondly, I don't want to pay that kind of price for an upgrade, but FS knows that they can get away with it because of a guaranteed market. I'm not saying things could not change, but simply stating that you can't get JAWS or a Braille display from a home electronics ore software store, and I wouldn't expect to happen any time soon if ever. In their eyes, why should They bother as they won't sell enough of them to make it worth their while. There is a cell phone put out by Capital Accessibility in Europe. I've seen one and it's no big deal. The speech is great, but there is no camera, digital screen, or anything that might ad a bit of a price to the phone. It's built like a brick, but it is over $500 and though the speech is clear, it's very robotic. Tell me that's not ridiculous? I don't know that agencies are responsible for this one, but the phone is so tailored to our needs that somebody will buy it. Not me. Granted, if more people were learning braille and speech software as they were dealing with macular degeneration, and there was a big enough demand for it, things might come down a bit. That's great about the scanner. I'd better stop typing now as I am misspelling more things than I am typing correctly and am about to throw this keyboard, though it's not at fault. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: With all due respect, that argument has been used time and time again. To that, I say this: the best example of a product that has gone down in price because of the acceptance of it by the sighted community, is the optical scanner, which was originally intended for use by the blind for scanning newspapers, magazines, and othr documents in their computers or reading machines.
Copying and pasting in Mail
Hello listers, I've had so much success getting helpful information from this list that I couldn't resist asking a couple more questions. :) For reasons I do not understand, I am unable to copy information from one message in Mail and paste it into another message I am currently creating. The way I get around the problem is to open an empty document and copy and paste from one message to another by using the empty document as an interim storage medium. However, I can't help thinking that there is an easier way. Do I need to stop interacting with text or do something else to make copying and pasting work in Mail? I am using Command-C and Command-V for copying and pasting respectively. I know that material has been selected, so this is not where the problem lies. 2. Is there any way in Mail to turn of the Data Detector Present message? Thanks so much, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is there a way to map keys to other keys on Mac?
Yes On Jun 22, 2010, at 11:02 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Is spark accessible with VO? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of louie Sent: Wednesday, 23 June 2010 3:53 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Is there a way to map keys to other keys on Mac? There is spark for the Mac. On Jun 21, 2010, at 8:55 PM, Alfredo wrote: I have a 13 mac book pro, and hence the keys it contains are limited and would like to know if there is a utility or way to map soem keys to other keys such as when you use spark on windows. I want to map my right command key to an option key, and my right option key to a control key so that I can use VO keys on both sides. Currently the mac book pro, only has the command and option keys on the right side of the key board whcih prevents me from executing some voice over keys easily. Any suggestions or help will be greatly appreciated. Alfredo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . louie louiem...@wavecable.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . louie louiem...@wavecable.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Copying and pasting in Mail
You can use the commands for selecting text while in a message, (option-shift-arrows for words, command-shift-arrows for larger chunks of text), press command-c, navigate to another message, and use command-v to paste. I've been doing this in the preview pane. You can press command-1 while inside an open message to switch to the message list and then paste into a new message. Teresa On Jun 23, 2010, at 8:20 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hello listers, I've had so much success getting helpful information from this list that I couldn't resist asking a couple more questions. :) For reasons I do not understand, I am unable to copy information from one message in Mail and paste it into another message I am currently creating. The way I get around the problem is to open an empty document and copy and paste from one message to another by using the empty document as an interim storage medium. However, I can't help thinking that there is an easier way. Do I need to stop interacting with text or do something else to make copying and pasting work in Mail? I am using Command-C and Command-V for copying and pasting respectively. I know that material has been selected, so this is not where the problem lies. 2. Is there any way in Mail to turn of the Data Detector Present message? Thanks so much, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: reading a long pdf: vo vs spoken word in itunes
Simon, Ibooks is for ebooks in the epub format and it will also read pdfs. Mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Economics and the Mac
That's great, but they are anomalies. I currently live in South Carolina. One of my income sources involves taking AT training contracts from school systems. I'm one of the few people around here that is setup to train on VoiceOver. The main reason for me being so unique in that regard is there are practically no clients, and so I'm the only one that bothers with it. Not one school system in South Carolina uses Macs. No school systems in Georgia use Macs. In North Carolina, a few Macs are present, at a few schools, for special labs/projects. I've been told recently that Florida, also, doesn't use any Macs, though I don't work there, so don't claim to know the purchasing decisions and politics. What the schools have, though, are thousands and thousands of Windows-based PCs, and over 90% of the ones that are adapted for a blind student use Jaws. I'm sure any number of people, particularly on a list like this, can pipe up and say well, I know of a school district around where I live that has or uses some Macs. Those are special cases, though. The country is huge, and places like that are rare when you realize how every place else is swimming in Windows PCs. A single school district can own thousands of them. When our blind services undertakes projects to train and place the general blind population in to jobs, it always involves call center or office work, and Macs are no where to be found. Our Commission for the Blind just recently bought their first Mac, ever, for someone that needed it for a home-based business. That means, of all the blind people that they've ever served, they've purchased thousands of Windows computers, but never a Mac, and, when a person got one, it was for something they were doing on their own, not mainstreamed. I was contacted because I was someone that knows something about Macs. Most of the AT and IT people there don't know anything about Macs, because they don't have to; they're neither needed, nor requested. Obviously, I like my Mac. Don't be fooled though. Just because some schools here or there might use them, their use in schools over-all is a drop in the bucket. There use in business is practically nonexistent. The blindness agencies are concerned with getting blind people employed and/or educated. Finding a Mac in either school or work is a rare event, so, Macs are irrelevant to them. That's why the NFB and the screen reader manufacturers didn't care that Apple worked on a screen reader. In there minds, Apple can make the best one in the world, and it won't matter, because all of the edutainment and business applications that are used by the mainstream world are on Windows, so blind people will need Windows for school and work, so Windows-based screen readers will be necessary. It isn't about which is better. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:41 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Economics and the Mac In regards to your academia comment, the public school system, my high school's library, as well as mobile labs many elementary schools around here, are Mac-based. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Bryan Smart bryansm...@bryansmart.com wrote: Microsoft tried to make a full screen reader over 10 years ago. Between the National Federation of the Blind, and the various screen reader companies, they were threatened with all sorts of vocally loud press for putting blind people out of work at the AT companies. MS decided that hot potato was more trouble than it was worth, and dropped the project. I guess Apple didn't get the same treatment since there was no screen reader company to put out of business, unless you count how Berkeley Systems got shafted, and most of the blindness orgs know that, while individuals might like Macs, business and academia will continue to insist on Windows machines for a long time to come. Macs are mostly irrelevant to them. Bryan On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Richie Gardenhire wrote: I have changed the subject line to more reflect on the discussion at hand. If Apple can set aside resources to make their Mac computers universally marketed across the board, there is no reason why Microsoftshouldn't, (and they definitely have the resources and the technical expertise throughout the company) to do so. And if it brings the prices down, and Microsoft does, for example, develop a mechanism by which Windows can be installed out of the box without sighted assistance, companies such as Freedom Scientific would then be forced to either go with the trend; otherwise, they would lose their economic dolars; after all, isn't that what competition for tax dollars and marketshare is all about? In my humble opinion, for what it's
Repost of Amadeus podcast
Hi all, I just wanted to let you know that the Amadeus podcast has been reposted. Ialso explore the free audio and VST plugins available on the Amadeus site. TO listen or subscribe just go to: http://gwenna.podbean.com Allison -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
What view to you use on the finder and which is easier for beginner?
I use the list view on my windows pc using jaws, and would like to use the same view on the mac but i want to know which one you guys think is easier for beginners and better for a voice over user? What is the difference between list view and column view, I do not understand what is the difference, seems like the difference is just that with list view you have to use the vo keys and the backslash, while with the column view you do not use these. Is the cover flow view accesible or even functional for a blind user to view. I like the idea of being able to preview my documents but can I use it? Any opinion would be grealty appreciated. alfredo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: What view to you use on the finder and which is easier for beginner?
the icon view is like the same thing on the windows side list view because the list view in windows isn't really is actually more like the icon view. hth Cody On Jun 23, 2010, at 1:59 PM, Alfredo wrote: I use the list view on my windows pc using jaws, and would like to use the same view on the mac but i want to know which one you guys think is easier for beginners and better for a voice over user? What is the difference between list view and column view, I do not understand what is the difference, seems like the difference is just that with list view you have to use the vo keys and the backslash, while with the column view you do not use these. Is the cover flow view accesible or even functional for a blind user to view. I like the idea of being able to preview my documents but can I use it? Any opinion would be grealty appreciated. alfredo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: What view to you use on the finder and which is easier for beginner?
I use list view as its much easier, just press command + 2 to switch to view mode. Even when I was sighted I did not care much for list or icon grid mode, list is a bit like scrolling horizontal level of floors a bit like going up and down levels in a elevator but you can see more then one level at a time. Just use quick view to preview your documents by hitting space. However if you do have some useful vision then cover flow is useful, especially when flicking through pictures and pdfs On 23 Jun 2010, at 18:59, Alfredo wrote: I use the list view on my windows pc using jaws, and would like to use the same view on the mac but i want to know which one you guys think is easier for beginners and better for a voice over user? What is the difference between list view and column view, I do not understand what is the difference, seems like the difference is just that with list view you have to use the vo keys and the backslash, while with the column view you do not use these. Is the cover flow view accesible or even functional for a blind user to view. I like the idea of being able to preview my documents but can I use it? Any opinion would be grealty appreciated. alfredo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: What view to you use on the finder and which is easier for beginner?
Hi, I like column view. I just find it quick and easy to get in and out of folders just using the arrows. hth On Jun 23, 2010, at 1:59 PM, Alfredo wrote: I use the list view on my windows pc using jaws, and would like to use the same view on the mac but i want to know which one you guys think is easier for beginners and better for a voice over user? What is the difference between list view and column view, I do not understand what is the difference, seems like the difference is just that with list view you have to use the vo keys and the backslash, while with the column view you do not use these. Is the cover flow view accesible or even functional for a blind user to view. I like the idea of being able to preview my documents but can I use it? Any opinion would be grealty appreciated. alfredo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: What view to you use on the finder and which is easier for beginner?
I'm with Ricardo on this one, and for exactly the same reasons. However, I would be surprised that, given the diversity of people/opinion on this list if you don't get an advocate for all of the provided views. Cheers Dónal On 23 Jun 2010, at 19:15, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I like column view. I just find it quick and easy to get in and out of folders just using the arrows. hth On Jun 23, 2010, at 1:59 PM, Alfredo wrote: I use the list view on my windows pc using jaws, and would like to use the same view on the mac but i want to know which one you guys think is easier for beginners and better for a voice over user? What is the difference between list view and column view, I do not understand what is the difference, seems like the difference is just that with list view you have to use the vo keys and the backslash, while with the column view you do not use these. Is the cover flow view accesible or even functional for a blind user to view. I like the idea of being able to preview my documents but can I use it? Any opinion would be grealty appreciated. alfredo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Have a question on selecting multiple item and navigating by form field and text
How about option tab? Is it different from VO command J? I'll have to check. On Jun 23, 2010, at 8:14 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: NO, This is VO command J. VO command E brings you to the next misspelled word. On Jun 23, 2010, at 10:09 AM, Robert Munro wrote: VO+command+e will move between controls and form fields on webpages. On Jun 22, 2010, at 7:51 PM, Alfredo wrote: Tje rotor utility is not efficient enough for me, I hate to make a comparison but with jaws I get to a text edit field, like the google webpage one, automatically or by pressing the f key. With voice over in safari, when I go to the google webpage I have to use the VO keys along with the right arrow key several times, about 4 or 5, to get to the text edit field. The safari way requires more key strokes, if I could remove key strokes then better. I could use the web item rotor and the fo to forms, and then the text edit field but I think this requires the same number of keystrokes. Maybe as I get used to the mac I will get better and be able to find a wayt o do this. I will try grouping mode to see if this helps. Should the voice over cursor be focus on the google search field when i load the google web page? It does on other pages, like the gmail web page. Maybe if I turn off automatic speaking of webpages when they load. Thank for clarifying the thing about the multiple tabs, I search online, on google, and only found one solution for this, and i think it was becuase of safari 5 extensions, whcih I currently do not have. With everyone saying that it caused them trouble I will stay away from it for another month or so. Thanks again for the response. alfredo Chris Moore wrote: Is the form item in the rota not efficient enough for you? (you can create a short cut to toggle between DOM and group mode) as for text elements , have you tried surfing in grouping mode?when you mention tabs, do you mean they are automatically open with the web pages loaded of your choice? Not that I am aware of maybe as Safari 5 has been opened up someone might develop an add on. for now you will have to press command + T for a new tab. and then use control + tab to cycle through them. On 22 Jun 2010, at 18:08, Alfredo wrote: I am going through the online tutorial with voice over and am hitting some bumps in the way. 1. Can you navigate the web by form field like in jaws? In jaws you just clicked the “f” key and you would land on a form field, such as an edit box, radio button, or button. 2. Is there a way to navigate text element by text element, sometimes it would be useful just to get to the text section of a webpage, especially ones that contain many links. Is there a hot key to navigate text element by text element on the web? 3. I was reading the select multiple items section and tried it on the Voice over utilities, VO + F8, and went into his web section, and went to the web rotor popup menu. I wanted to select multiple items or deselect multiple items but I could not. Plus VO does not tell you if the checkbox on the popup menu is on or off, even when I pressed VO + f8. Can anyone shine a light on this? I can live with having to close the menu for every selected Item I want but it would be more convenient to just select all items I want then close the popup menu. 4. Is there a way to set up multiple tabs upon starting safari? I had multiple tabs for my internet explorer on windows since this way I have quick access to my bank account webpage, phone bill web page, Google search, Gmail, NFL website, book share, and others. Does anyone know how to do this? 6. Is there a way to activate a link from within the web item rotor? Like for example, instead of just going to the link selected from the web item rotor can I activate that link so that the web page will load up auto magically? This would save me on more steps in selecting the link. If there is no way to do this, then I will send an email to apple suggesting that they add this feature. The can do like, if you press the control key while selecting a link on the web item rotor you will activate the like not only go to it. Any help would be greatly appreciated; the Mac experience is going good so far -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
I can't figure out how to update my Ipod Touch
Hi I can't figure out how to update my Ipod touch. Whenever I press check for software updat, a file selection menu comes up. And when I press restore, it tells me I have to reinstall Itunes. I need some help please. Courtney -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: I can't figure out how to update my Ipod Touch
Just connect your ipod to the computer and run itunes. Now from the summary tab of settings hit check for updates and follow the prompts. You should not need to restore itunes. I hope? On Jun 23, 2010, at 12:26 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi I can't figure out how to update my Ipod touch. Whenever I press check for software updat, a file selection menu comes up. And when I press restore, it tells me I have to reinstall Itunes. I need some help please. Courtney -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: how I delete podcasts from the ipod app
No. You double tap and hold until you hear the word move then double click the app to del. S On Jun 22, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Does that work also with applications? I've been trying to remove an application I no longer want from my IPod but I've had no luck with it. I wonder now if this will work. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami Sent: Wednesday, 23 June 2010 9:14 a.m. To: mac vissionaries vissionaries Subject: tip: how I delete podcasts from the ipod app Ok all. Here is my method of deleting podcasts on the iphone. Not sure where else this works in the ipod app but yeah. 1. from within the ipod app navigate to the podcast button and double tap. 2. Now browse to the podcast such as market place, or car talk for example. 3. find the episode you want to delete, double tap and hold then swipe very slowly to the right. it should take you no more then 2 seconds to do this. Now check and it should say confirm deletion of xxx where xxx is your episode name. 4. double tap that episode and it is gone. Hope this helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: how I delete podcasts from the ipod app
Huh? all of this was done on the iphone. this has nothing to do with the mac at all. S On Jun 23, 2010, at 4:29 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: i had this happen on my mac the other day and had to go to utilities and then to activitiy monitor to turn the program off before i could remove it and then eventually send it to the trash. hope that helps, max On Jun 23, 2010, at 1:51 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Does that work also with applications? I've been trying to remove an application I no longer want from my IPod but I've had no luck with it. I wonder now if this will work. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami Sent: Wednesday, 23 June 2010 9:14 a.m. To: mac vissionaries vissionaries Subject: tip: how I delete podcasts from the ipod app Ok all. Here is my method of deleting podcasts on the iphone. Not sure where else this works in the ipod app but yeah. 1. from within the ipod app navigate to the podcast button and double tap. 2. Now browse to the podcast such as market place, or car talk for example. 3. find the episode you want to delete, double tap and hold then swipe very slowly to the right. it should take you no more then 2 seconds to do this. Now check and it should say confirm deletion of xxx where xxx is your episode name. 4. double tap that episode and it is gone. Hope this helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: sendspace app
actually there is input but it won't show. Just input your data and hit log in. Good luck. S On Jun 23, 2010, at 2:21 AM, chad baker wrote: Hi just downloaded sendspace and can't input my user name and password. When i type nothing gets put in the field. I made sure the edit field had focus. any suggestions thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: amadeus question
I think you hit shift space to play sepratly but I can't remember what the mac accessibility blog said about that. On Jun 22, 2010, at 6:45 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: Hi Allison and Sarah, Thanks very much for your help. Your tips really helped me take off, and now I feel fairly confident with multi-track navigation. I guess the question I must figure out now is how to reliably play both tracks at the same time, and how to play separately. From what I've been able to determine, it's kind of a gamble as to which will occur. Still, this is a remarkable breakthrough. A multi-track editor which doesn't cost hundreds or thousands of dollars that's accessible. Oh, and the free VST effects that the guy has on his site are accessible as well and very cool. The reverb is rather impressive. I've worked with waves reverb in both PT and Goldwave, and I think these reverbs are very good indeed. Friendly, Chris On Jun 22, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: I believe you ahve to hit esc after you get to the track you want. Kind of clunky but it works. S On Jun 22, 2010, at 5:29 AM, Allison Manzino wrote: Hi Chris, I'm so excited another Amadeus convert :) there is a slight delay when recording with Amadeus, I have no idea why. It's tricky to get used to. Sometimes, I make sure the mic is working correctly and just uncheck the play through box before I record a vocal. Yes, there is a way to move between tracks and mix etc. You have given me more incentive to do a podcast on it. I will provide the link to the list when it's done, as a reference. I'm learning right along with everyone else, so it's not going to be a definitive podcast., Aside from Erik Caron's podcast on Blind Cool Tech, all the things I've learned about Amadeus have been trial and error. To move between tracks, press VO shift down arrow and interact with the scroll area. It will take you to the track name where you can type in a name, and then if you VO right arrow the volume slider, etc. I hope that helps. Have a great day! Allison On Jun 22, 2010, at 4:36 AM, Chris Snyder wrote: Hi fellow Amadeus users, I have just bought the program, and I managed to record a song with it. It was a bit tricky since I had to hand sync the vocal track with the instrumental track. The two questions I have are: 1. Is there a way to move between tracks with voiceover in a multi-track project? 2. If you select the pass through box in the record dialog, why is there a delay on the output? My first thought was that it had something to do with the sound card in my macbook, but I was wondering if anyone else had experienced that. Over all, I have to say I'm very pleased at how well voiceover handles Amadeus, and I'm becoming more and more comfortable using it in stead of Gold Wave. Friendly, Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: amadeus question
Did you yet find a way to ex[ort all of those tracks sepratly? Sorry fi I keep asking but I'm working on an outboard project for someone S On Jun 22, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Allison Manzino wrote: Hi Chris, I'm so glad I was able to help you. I'm rerecording my podcast tomorrow as you can't hear the track I'm working on in Amadeus. I didn't realize that Audio Hijack didn't pick up what Amadeus was playing. I have to check out the VST reverb plug in, I didn't know about that. To play each track separately, I'd suggest naming them first. For example if you were to record guitar on one track, and vocals on another track. Interact with the scroll area and name the first track, then name the second track. After you do that you can check or uncheck the play boxes. Let's say you want to put reverb on the vocals, and not hear the guitar part. You just uncheck the play box and then only the vocal track will receive the reverb. I have also discovered a nifty feature called duplicate track. This is done by hitting command D as in Delta. It works really well for putting guitar on left and right sides and making a fuller sound. I hope I've helped. I love Amadeus and I agree with you, an accessible multitrack editor that doesn't cost thousands yay! Have a great evening. Allison On Jun 22, 2010, at 9:45 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: Hi Allison and Sarah, Thanks very much for your help. Your tips really helped me take off, and now I feel fairly confident with multi-track navigation. I guess the question I must figure out now is how to reliably play both tracks at the same time, and how to play separately. From what I've been able to determine, it's kind of a gamble as to which will occur. Still, this is a remarkable breakthrough. A multi-track editor which doesn't cost hundreds or thousands of dollars that's accessible. Oh, and the free VST effects that the guy has on his site are accessible as well and very cool. The reverb is rather impressive. I've worked with waves reverb in both PT and Goldwave, and I think these reverbs are very good indeed. Friendly, Chris On Jun 22, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: I believe you ahve to hit esc after you get to the track you want. Kind of clunky but it works. S On Jun 22, 2010, at 5:29 AM, Allison Manzino wrote: Hi Chris, I'm so excited another Amadeus convert :) there is a slight delay when recording with Amadeus, I have no idea why. It's tricky to get used to. Sometimes, I make sure the mic is working correctly and just uncheck the play through box before I record a vocal. Yes, there is a way to move between tracks and mix etc. You have given me more incentive to do a podcast on it. I will provide the link to the list when it's done, as a reference. I'm learning right along with everyone else, so it's not going to be a definitive podcast., Aside from Erik Caron's podcast on Blind Cool Tech, all the things I've learned about Amadeus have been trial and error. To move between tracks, press VO shift down arrow and interact with the scroll area. It will take you to the track name where you can type in a name, and then if you VO right arrow the volume slider, etc. I hope that helps. Have a great day! Allison On Jun 22, 2010, at 4:36 AM, Chris Snyder wrote: Hi fellow Amadeus users, I have just bought the program, and I managed to record a song with it. It was a bit tricky since I had to hand sync the vocal track with the instrumental track. The two questions I have are: 1. Is there a way to move between tracks with voiceover in a multi-track project? 2. If you select the pass through box in the record dialog, why is there a delay on the output? My first thought was that it had something to do with the sound card in my macbook, but I was wondering if anyone else had experienced that. Over all, I have to say I'm very pleased at how well voiceover handles Amadeus, and I'm becoming more and more comfortable using it in stead of Gold Wave. Friendly, Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To
Re: tip: how I delete podcasts from the ipod app
Hi, Well, I can successfully delete a podcast from ipod. I would love to be able to do the swipe for the deletion of mail messages. I hear this is a feature available without vo. I tried the same thing as described for ipod, and nothing seemed to happen. after doing it several times, a done button appeared. I clicked it and nothing seemed to change. thoughts? On Jun 22, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Ok all. Here is my method of deleting podcasts on the iphone. Not sure where else this works in the ipod app but yeah. 1. from within the ipod app navigate to the podcast button and double tap. 2. Now browse to the podcast such as market place, or car talk for example. 3. find the episode you want to delete, double tap and hold then swipe very slowly to the right. it should take you no more then 2 seconds to do this. Now check and it should say confirm deletion of xxx where xxx is your episode name. 4. double tap that episode and it is gone. Hope this helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Economics and the Mac
Hmm, The school system here in Arizona has always dealt with Apple. When I was little, we had Apple 2E and 2GS computers, and when I got to high school, we had the mac SE and other models. Now that my own children are in school, they're learning on iMacs. Apple has always been involved with k-12 education here. It's actually rather nice since I can help the kids with their computer classes on the Mac. As far as the libraries around town go, they're all PC based, especially in the adaptive technology rooms where they keep the braille writers and scanners and such. As far as Microsoft trying to make a screen reader is concerned, once again, the NFB shoots blind people without state help in the foot yet again. I would always would rather not pay extra for adaptive tech, and indeed it's why I got rid of all but one of the PC's in the house. The more I see of the iPhone, the more excited I get over it, and the more I actually consider switching to ATT's evil empire. Anyway, just my two cents. Friendly, Chris On Jun 23, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I don't mean to be harsh but, your local school system is the minority. It really has no baring on Bryan's original comment. On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:41 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: In regards to your academia comment, the public school system, my high school's library, as well as mobile labs many elementary schools around here, are Mac-based. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Bryan Smart bryansm...@bryansmart.com wrote: Microsoft tried to make a full screen reader over 10 years ago. Between the National Federation of the Blind, and the various screen reader companies, they were threatened with all sorts of vocally loud press for putting blind people out of work at the AT companies. MS decided that hot potato was more trouble than it was worth, and dropped the project. I guess Apple didn't get the same treatment since there was no screen reader company to put out of business, unless you count how Berkeley Systems got shafted, and most of the blindness orgs know that, while individuals might like Macs, business and academia will continue to insist on Windows machines for a long time to come. Macs are mostly irrelevant to them. Bryan On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Richie Gardenhire wrote: I have changed the subject line to more reflect on the discussion at hand. If Apple can set aside resources to make their Mac computers universally marketed across the board, there is no reason why Microsoftshouldn't, (and they definitely have the resources and the technical expertise throughout the company) to do so. And if it brings the prices down, and Microsoft does, for example, develop a mechanism by which Windows can be installed out of the box without sighted assistance, companies such as Freedom Scientific would then be forced to either go with the trend; otherwise, they would lose their economic dolars; after all, isn't that what competition for tax dollars and marketshare is all about? In my humble opinion, for what it's worth, the only reason Freedom Scientific survives in the market is because they have contracted with some state agencies and government entities, and we bare the brunt of the expense ineirectly. I paid less for my car than I have for braille displays costing $8000 to $12,000 dollars at a time. In Alaska, for example, the biggest majority of vision loss occurs in the elderly population and baby boomers who are about to reach retirement age. We have no school for the blind in Alaska; therefore, if parents want to send their blind kids off to a residential school, they would have to send them Stateside, which costs the state thousands of dollars which they could probably find other revenues to use elsewhere.There are a handful of us who are blind and visually-impaired Macusers, but that numberis increasing, as the word about VoiceOver gets out. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:21 PM, carlene knight wrote: I know that the companies take huge advantage of the fact that they have a guaranteed nitch and can charge whatever they want. That's why I will not upgrade my JAWS SMA. For one thing I don't need it and secondly, I don't want to pay that kind of price for an upgrade, but FS knows that they can get away with it because of a guaranteed market. I'm not saying things could not change, but simply stating that you can't get JAWS or a Braille display from a home electronics ore software store, and I wouldn't expect to happen any time soon if ever. In their eyes, why should They bother as they won't sell enough of them to make it worth their while. There is a cell phone put out by Capital Accessibility in Europe. I've seen one and it's no big deal. The speech is great, but there is no camera, digital screen, or anything that might ad a bit of a price to the phone. It's built like
A Question Regarding Braille Display
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A Question for Fusion Windows 7 With Jaws Users
Question: I'm just curious, what is your solution for gaining access to the Jaws cursor? That is to say, what key combination do you use to switch between the Jaws and PC cursors? Thank you, Mark ANNOUNCING THE SECRET LIFE OF MARK MARCUS LIVE CALL-IN TALK SHOW!!! In each episode, join Mark, along with invited guests, as he explores the world in which we live and the world which lives within us. As you listen or participate in a family-friendly, no-holds-barred discussion, you will find yourself being drawn deeper and deeper into the mystery, majesty, and wonder that is The Secret Life of Mark Marcus. You can listen and participate via telephone, an Internet-enabled computer, or Smartphone application. No need to sign up on a website or be required to enter any pin codes. Just join in and let your voice be heard around the world. To listen or participate via phone just dial (724-898-1193 during the show's scheduled time. That's all there is to it. Sign Up To Receive Text-Message Alerts When The Show Is Live!! Can't listen live? No problem, download/listen to past episodes on demand, at your convenience. For more information including an audio PROMO for the next scheduled episode, show times, the ability to listen or participate via computer and more, go to: http://candleshore.com/secrets Let's Make A Joyful Noise, Together!!! Express yourself completely, then keep quiet. He who stands on tiptoe doesn't stand firm. She who rushes ahead doesn't go far. He who tries to shine dims his own light. She who defines herself can't know who she really is. He who has power over others can't empower himself. She who clings to her work will create nothing that endures. (Lao Tzu) For infinite knowledge, go to: candleshoreblog.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: tip: how I delete podcasts from the ipod app
Hmm I dunno. I can't del messages at all using vo. the button is just not there but maybe suggest this to apple. On Jun 23, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Joel Zimba wrote: Hi, Well, I can successfully delete a podcast from ipod. I would love to be able to do the swipe for the deletion of mail messages. I hear this is a feature available without vo. I tried the same thing as described for ipod, and nothing seemed to happen. after doing it several times, a done button appeared. I clicked it and nothing seemed to change. thoughts? On Jun 22, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Ok all. Here is my method of deleting podcasts on the iphone. Not sure where else this works in the ipod app but yeah. 1. from within the ipod app navigate to the podcast button and double tap. 2. Now browse to the podcast such as market place, or car talk for example. 3. find the episode you want to delete, double tap and hold then swipe very slowly to the right. it should take you no more then 2 seconds to do this. Now check and it should say confirm deletion of xxx where xxx is your episode name. 4. double tap that episode and it is gone. Hope this helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: A Question Regarding Braille Display
According to the online help, yes, it is. I just ordered the same display and therefore haven't used it yet, so I'm crossing my fingers. :) Teresa On Jun 23, 2010, at 12:53 PM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Everyone, Given the new iBook resource, I have decided to purchase a Bluetooth Braille display. Question: Is the Freedom Scientific Focus 40 Blue fully supported by Apple? Thank you, Mark ANNOUNCING THE SECRET LIFE OF MARK MARCUS LIVE CALL-IN TALK SHOW!!! In each episode, join Mark, along with invited guests, as he explores the world in which we live and the world which lives within us. As you listen or participate in a family-friendly, no-holds-barred discussion, you will find yourself being drawn deeper and deeper into the mystery, majesty, and wonder that is The Secret Life of Mark Marcus. You can listen and participate via telephone, an Internet-enabled computer, or Smartphone application. No need to sign up on a website or be required to enter any pin codes. Just join in and let your voice be heard around the world. To listen or participate via phone just dial (724-898-1193 during the show's scheduled time. That's all there is to it. Sign Up To Receive Text-Message Alerts When The Show Is Live!! Can't listen live? No problem, download/listen to past episodes on demand, at your convenience. For more information including an audio PROMO for the next scheduled episode, show times, the ability to listen or participate via computer and more, go to: http://candleshore.com/secrets Let's Make A Joyful Noise, Together!!! Express yourself completely, then keep quiet. He who stands on tiptoe doesn't stand firm. She who rushes ahead doesn't go far. He who tries to shine dims his own light. She who defines herself can't know who she really is. He who has power over others can't empower himself. She who clings to her work will create nothing that endures. (Lao Tzu) For infinite knowledge, go to: candleshoreblog.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Safari Update
Looks like I'm the only one having problems in text edit fields. Hmmm. I don't use audible and I don't use the full FB just the mobile one. It's great; doesn't have all the fluff lol. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
closing apps on the iPod and iPhone
Hi all, So when I hit the home button, it appears to close the app, but when I go to the app switcher, the app I tried to close is still there. How does one close the apps now in IOS4? Friendly, Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Needing help with Itunes radio
Dear Courtney, All you do is when something is collapsed you press the two arrow keys together and then you will be able to look at the stations. I hope this helps. Blessings, Ben King On Jun 23, 2010, at 7:54 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, I'm trying to look for a station in the Itunes Radio selection, but when I go to a genre, they're all collaps and I can't expand them. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Courtney -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: amadeus question
Hi Sarah, There's only one thing I can think of. THe only thing I can think of is either splitting the track or duplicating it in to a separate file. Let me try something and get back to you in a few minutes. Allison On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Did you yet find a way to ex[ort all of those tracks sepratly? Sorry fi I keep asking but I'm working on an outboard project for someone S On Jun 22, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Allison Manzino wrote: Hi Chris, I'm so glad I was able to help you. I'm rerecording my podcast tomorrow as you can't hear the track I'm working on in Amadeus. I didn't realize that Audio Hijack didn't pick up what Amadeus was playing. I have to check out the VST reverb plug in, I didn't know about that. To play each track separately, I'd suggest naming them first. For example if you were to record guitar on one track, and vocals on another track. Interact with the scroll area and name the first track, then name the second track. After you do that you can check or uncheck the play boxes. Let's say you want to put reverb on the vocals, and not hear the guitar part. You just uncheck the play box and then only the vocal track will receive the reverb. I have also discovered a nifty feature called duplicate track. This is done by hitting command D as in Delta. It works really well for putting guitar on left and right sides and making a fuller sound. I hope I've helped. I love Amadeus and I agree with you, an accessible multitrack editor that doesn't cost thousands yay! Have a great evening. Allison On Jun 22, 2010, at 9:45 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: Hi Allison and Sarah, Thanks very much for your help. Your tips really helped me take off, and now I feel fairly confident with multi-track navigation. I guess the question I must figure out now is how to reliably play both tracks at the same time, and how to play separately. From what I've been able to determine, it's kind of a gamble as to which will occur. Still, this is a remarkable breakthrough. A multi-track editor which doesn't cost hundreds or thousands of dollars that's accessible. Oh, and the free VST effects that the guy has on his site are accessible as well and very cool. The reverb is rather impressive. I've worked with waves reverb in both PT and Goldwave, and I think these reverbs are very good indeed. Friendly, Chris On Jun 22, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: I believe you ahve to hit esc after you get to the track you want. Kind of clunky but it works. S On Jun 22, 2010, at 5:29 AM, Allison Manzino wrote: Hi Chris, I'm so excited another Amadeus convert :) there is a slight delay when recording with Amadeus, I have no idea why. It's tricky to get used to. Sometimes, I make sure the mic is working correctly and just uncheck the play through box before I record a vocal. Yes, there is a way to move between tracks and mix etc. You have given me more incentive to do a podcast on it. I will provide the link to the list when it's done, as a reference. I'm learning right along with everyone else, so it's not going to be a definitive podcast., Aside from Erik Caron's podcast on Blind Cool Tech, all the things I've learned about Amadeus have been trial and error. To move between tracks, press VO shift down arrow and interact with the scroll area. It will take you to the track name where you can type in a name, and then if you VO right arrow the volume slider, etc. I hope that helps. Have a great day! Allison On Jun 22, 2010, at 4:36 AM, Chris Snyder wrote: Hi fellow Amadeus users, I have just bought the program, and I managed to record a song with it. It was a bit tricky since I had to hand sync the vocal track with the instrumental track. The two questions I have are: 1. Is there a way to move between tracks with voiceover in a multi-track project? 2. If you select the pass through box in the record dialog, why is there a delay on the output? My first thought was that it had something to do with the sound card in my macbook, but I was wondering if anyone else had experienced that. Over all, I have to say I'm very pleased at how well voiceover handles Amadeus, and I'm becoming more and more comfortable using it in stead of Gold Wave. Friendly, Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Re: amadeus question
lol. yeah this is going ot be a multi track projuct with over dubs and stuff. tha'ts all I can say as I'm not aloud to actually say what it is. lol! On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Allison Manzino wrote: Hi Sarah, There's only one thing I can think of. THe only thing I can think of is either splitting the track or duplicating it in to a separate file. Let me try something and get back to you in a few minutes. Allison On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Did you yet find a way to ex[ort all of those tracks sepratly? Sorry fi I keep asking but I'm working on an outboard project for someone S On Jun 22, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Allison Manzino wrote: Hi Chris, I'm so glad I was able to help you. I'm rerecording my podcast tomorrow as you can't hear the track I'm working on in Amadeus. I didn't realize that Audio Hijack didn't pick up what Amadeus was playing. I have to check out the VST reverb plug in, I didn't know about that. To play each track separately, I'd suggest naming them first. For example if you were to record guitar on one track, and vocals on another track. Interact with the scroll area and name the first track, then name the second track. After you do that you can check or uncheck the play boxes. Let's say you want to put reverb on the vocals, and not hear the guitar part. You just uncheck the play box and then only the vocal track will receive the reverb. I have also discovered a nifty feature called duplicate track. This is done by hitting command D as in Delta. It works really well for putting guitar on left and right sides and making a fuller sound. I hope I've helped. I love Amadeus and I agree with you, an accessible multitrack editor that doesn't cost thousands yay! Have a great evening. Allison On Jun 22, 2010, at 9:45 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: Hi Allison and Sarah, Thanks very much for your help. Your tips really helped me take off, and now I feel fairly confident with multi-track navigation. I guess the question I must figure out now is how to reliably play both tracks at the same time, and how to play separately. From what I've been able to determine, it's kind of a gamble as to which will occur. Still, this is a remarkable breakthrough. A multi-track editor which doesn't cost hundreds or thousands of dollars that's accessible. Oh, and the free VST effects that the guy has on his site are accessible as well and very cool. The reverb is rather impressive. I've worked with waves reverb in both PT and Goldwave, and I think these reverbs are very good indeed. Friendly, Chris On Jun 22, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: I believe you ahve to hit esc after you get to the track you want. Kind of clunky but it works. S On Jun 22, 2010, at 5:29 AM, Allison Manzino wrote: Hi Chris, I'm so excited another Amadeus convert :) there is a slight delay when recording with Amadeus, I have no idea why. It's tricky to get used to. Sometimes, I make sure the mic is working correctly and just uncheck the play through box before I record a vocal. Yes, there is a way to move between tracks and mix etc. You have given me more incentive to do a podcast on it. I will provide the link to the list when it's done, as a reference. I'm learning right along with everyone else, so it's not going to be a definitive podcast., Aside from Erik Caron's podcast on Blind Cool Tech, all the things I've learned about Amadeus have been trial and error. To move between tracks, press VO shift down arrow and interact with the scroll area. It will take you to the track name where you can type in a name, and then if you VO right arrow the volume slider, etc. I hope that helps. Have a great day! Allison On Jun 22, 2010, at 4:36 AM, Chris Snyder wrote: Hi fellow Amadeus users, I have just bought the program, and I managed to record a song with it. It was a bit tricky since I had to hand sync the vocal track with the instrumental track. The two questions I have are: 1. Is there a way to move between tracks with voiceover in a multi-track project? 2. If you select the pass through box in the record dialog, why is there a delay on the output? My first thought was that it had something to do with the sound card in my macbook, but I was wondering if anyone else had experienced that. Over all, I have to say I'm very pleased at how well voiceover handles Amadeus, and I'm becoming more and more comfortable using it in stead of Gold Wave. Friendly, Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are
New window versus new tab
Chris and others, I need a simple basic explanation of the difference (in Safari) between opening a new window with command N versus opening a new tab with command T. Are they used differently in some way? TIA, Linda -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:17 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Have a question on selecting multiple item and navigating by form field and text In the voice utility VO+F8 you can activate sounds and this will give you an indication when a web page has loaded. This will save you from having to use the auto speak tor page summary read out when a web page is loaded. Quick Nav is toggled on and off by pressing left and right together. To open a new tab, press command + T To cycle through the open tabs select Control + Tab Hope this helps. If you want to send apple any feedback go to www.apple.com/feedback and you can also write to accessibil...@apple.com Hope this helps On 23 Jun 2010, at 07:58, Alfredo wrote: Thanks for verifying my suspicion that having the page read automatically made me not land on an edit field automatically. This will help me tremendously as I am an avid internet user and do not need to know if a page is loaded or not. Although, it would be nice to have an audio feedback when the page loads, or the option to set on instead of having the page be read automatically upon opening. Jumping by element would be a great feature, a time saver, and I believe it is needed, I will write about about this. I did not know that you could browse the web with such ease using quick nave, you activate quick nave by pressing the up arrow key in conjunction with the down arrow key right? Thanks for the command VO + J, to jump to the text edit field, I did not this existed as the starting guide has not told me or did not tell me, or explained this. Even greater thanks for the suggestion to click command + L, then VO + right arrow, twice, to get to do a Google search. Do you know if this will open a new tab, or will it just replace the webpage I am on? Is the control + option +T command used in voice over or in jaws? Thanks, alfredo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2957 - Release Date: 06/23/10 06:36:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Economics and the Mac
at the risk of starting a blindness organization flame war, I respectfully disagree with the assertion that the national Federation of the blind supposedly did the blindest community harm in this area. I think rather than involve ourselves and dedicated finger-pointing, we might want to get back to focusing on the economics of using a Mac in the K-12 school system or not. As a student of educational technology. I find myself using what ever it's usable for the project given the requirements of the course at hand. What does that mean that means the following year for the coursework can be done best by using an Apple computer and it's going to get a good grade, you better believe I'm going to use it if the application and what's necessary to complete the project at hand requires a Windows-based solution only do that too. In other words what I'm getting at is many tools help us to achieve what we need to achieve given what the goal is and what the intent of the project is. Also pointing a finger at the screen reading vendors on the Windows side of the house probably isn't very productive either those people have a very tough road to deal with, as well as the developers at Apple. It boils down to simply this, we have and will always be looked at as second-class citizens in the technology world. There's just simply no way around it we are a minority. We will always be a minority, just a plea based on the way society looks at what they perceive our challenge is to really be. I hope that my concerns have gotten many on this list to stop and think automatically pointing a finger at a blindness organization again isn't good, I don't care whether Steve American Council of the blind, or the national Federation of the blind. I come to this list for Apple related technology suggestions not for political finger-pointing. I got to the continues I can always look elsewhere I don't need my blood pressure jerked around by people who just lose sight of what maybe this list is about. I'll leave the rest of this from a moderator. On Jun 23, 2010, at 1:49 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: Hmm, The school system here in Arizona has always dealt with Apple. When I was little, we had Apple 2E and 2GS computers, and when I got to high school, we had the mac SE and other models. Now that my own children are in school, they're learning on iMacs. Apple has always been involved with k-12 education here. It's actually rather nice since I can help the kids with their computer classes on the Mac. As far as the libraries around town go, they're all PC based, especially in the adaptive technology rooms where they keep the braille writers and scanners and such. As far as Microsoft trying to make a screen reader is concerned, once again, the NFB shoots blind people without state help in the foot yet again. I would always would rather not pay extra for adaptive tech, and indeed it's why I got rid of all but one of the PC's in the house. The more I see of the iPhone, the more excited I get over it, and the more I actually consider switching to ATT's evil empire. Anyway, just my two cents. Friendly, Chris On Jun 23, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I don't mean to be harsh but, your local school system is the minority. It really has no baring on Bryan's original comment. On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:41 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: In regards to your academia comment, the public school system, my high school's library, as well as mobile labs many elementary schools around here, are Mac-based. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Bryan Smart bryansm...@bryansmart.com wrote: Microsoft tried to make a full screen reader over 10 years ago. Between the National Federation of the Blind, and the various screen reader companies, they were threatened with all sorts of vocally loud press for putting blind people out of work at the AT companies. MS decided that hot potato was more trouble than it was worth, and dropped the project. I guess Apple didn't get the same treatment since there was no screen reader company to put out of business, unless you count how Berkeley Systems got shafted, and most of the blindness orgs know that, while individuals might like Macs, business and academia will continue to insist on Windows machines for a long time to come. Macs are mostly irrelevant to them. Bryan On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Richie Gardenhire wrote: I have changed the subject line to more reflect on the discussion at hand. If Apple can set aside resources to make their Mac computers universally marketed across the board, there is no reason why Microsoftshouldn't, (and they definitely have the resources and the technical expertise throughout the company) to do so. And if it brings the prices down, and Microsoft does, for example, develop a mechanism by which Windows can be installed out of the box without sighted assistance, companies such as
Re: Safari Update
I can confirm the blogger problem of not being able to edit line by line. weird. On Jun 23, 2010, at 5:09 PM, rayna424 wrote: Looks like I'm the only one having problems in text edit fields. Hmmm. I don't use audible and I don't use the full FB just the mobile one. It's great; doesn't have all the fluff lol. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: closing apps on the iPod and iPhone
Go to the app switcher and then double tap on the app, but on the second tap you hold for a few seconds. You are then in edit mode, just simply double tap the app to be removed. from the app switcher. Chris On 23 Jun 2010, at 22:29, Chris Snyder wrote: Hi all, So when I hit the home button, it appears to close the app, but when I go to the app switcher, the app I tried to close is still there. How does one close the apps now in IOS4? Friendly, Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: amadeus question
Hi Linda, Sarah and all, The only way I can figure to export individual tracks to files is to just uncheck the play box of the track you don't want to play and hit command A and then command C to copy the selection. I have tried this on a two-track project and it did work. I unchecked the play box on the guitar track and then exported the vocals. I hope this helps. Allison On Jun 23, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: lol. yeah this is going ot be a multi track projuct with over dubs and stuff. tha'ts all I can say as I'm not aloud to actually say what it is. lol! On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Allison Manzino wrote: Hi Sarah, There's only one thing I can think of. THe only thing I can think of is either splitting the track or duplicating it in to a separate file. Let me try something and get back to you in a few minutes. Allison On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Did you yet find a way to ex[ort all of those tracks sepratly? Sorry fi I keep asking but I'm working on an outboard project for someone S On Jun 22, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Allison Manzino wrote: Hi Chris, I'm so glad I was able to help you. I'm rerecording my podcast tomorrow as you can't hear the track I'm working on in Amadeus. I didn't realize that Audio Hijack didn't pick up what Amadeus was playing. I have to check out the VST reverb plug in, I didn't know about that. To play each track separately, I'd suggest naming them first. For example if you were to record guitar on one track, and vocals on another track. Interact with the scroll area and name the first track, then name the second track. After you do that you can check or uncheck the play boxes. Let's say you want to put reverb on the vocals, and not hear the guitar part. You just uncheck the play box and then only the vocal track will receive the reverb. I have also discovered a nifty feature called duplicate track. This is done by hitting command D as in Delta. It works really well for putting guitar on left and right sides and making a fuller sound. I hope I've helped. I love Amadeus and I agree with you, an accessible multitrack editor that doesn't cost thousands yay! Have a great evening. Allison On Jun 22, 2010, at 9:45 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: Hi Allison and Sarah, Thanks very much for your help. Your tips really helped me take off, and now I feel fairly confident with multi-track navigation. I guess the question I must figure out now is how to reliably play both tracks at the same time, and how to play separately. From what I've been able to determine, it's kind of a gamble as to which will occur. Still, this is a remarkable breakthrough. A multi-track editor which doesn't cost hundreds or thousands of dollars that's accessible. Oh, and the free VST effects that the guy has on his site are accessible as well and very cool. The reverb is rather impressive. I've worked with waves reverb in both PT and Goldwave, and I think these reverbs are very good indeed. Friendly, Chris On Jun 22, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: I believe you ahve to hit esc after you get to the track you want. Kind of clunky but it works. S On Jun 22, 2010, at 5:29 AM, Allison Manzino wrote: Hi Chris, I'm so excited another Amadeus convert :) there is a slight delay when recording with Amadeus, I have no idea why. It's tricky to get used to. Sometimes, I make sure the mic is working correctly and just uncheck the play through box before I record a vocal. Yes, there is a way to move between tracks and mix etc. You have given me more incentive to do a podcast on it. I will provide the link to the list when it's done, as a reference. I'm learning right along with everyone else, so it's not going to be a definitive podcast., Aside from Erik Caron's podcast on Blind Cool Tech, all the things I've learned about Amadeus have been trial and error. To move between tracks, press VO shift down arrow and interact with the scroll area. It will take you to the track name where you can type in a name, and then if you VO right arrow the volume slider, etc. I hope that helps. Have a great day! Allison On Jun 22, 2010, at 4:36 AM, Chris Snyder wrote: Hi fellow Amadeus users, I have just bought the program, and I managed to record a song with it. It was a bit tricky since I had to hand sync the vocal track with the instrumental track. The two questions I have are: 1. Is there a way to move between tracks with voiceover in a multi-track project? 2. If you select the pass through box in the record dialog, why is there a delay on the output? My first thought was that it had something to do with the sound card in my macbook, but I was wondering if anyone else had experienced that. Over all, I have to say I'm very pleased at how well voiceover handles Amadeus, and I'm becoming more and more comfortable using it in stead of Gold Wave.
Re: Needing help with Itunes radio
Does VO + \ not have the desired effect? On 23 Jun 2010, at 23:09, Ben King wrote: Dear Courtney, All you do is when something is collapsed you press the two arrow keys together and then you will be able to look at the stations. I hope this helps. Blessings, Ben King On Jun 23, 2010, at 7:54 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, I'm trying to look for a station in the Itunes Radio selection, but when I go to a genre, they're all collaps and I can't expand them. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Courtney -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: New window versus new tab
Ok I can appreciate why this might be confusing. For myself when I was sighted a few months ago I always preferred tabs as it visually keeps the desktop tidy and keeps all your safari windows in one place. Plus if I was on several different websites such as Amazon or Play i could quickly compare prices between the two sites instead of having to keep moving open windows around. As a blind user now I guess it just comes down to what you are used to and comfortable with With tabs I can quickly cycle through them with Control + TAB. But equally so with open windows you can VO+F2 and then select the window from the list. So there is no right or wrong way, I would just say for a sighted person I think most people would prefer tabs. Does this answer your question? Chris On 23 Jun 2010, at 23:24, Linda Adams wrote: Chris and others, I need a simple basic explanation of the difference (in Safari) between opening a new window with command N versus opening a new tab with command T. Are they used differently in some way? TIA, Linda -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:17 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Have a question on selecting multiple item and navigating by form field and text In the voice utility VO+F8 you can activate sounds and this will give you an indication when a web page has loaded. This will save you from having to use the auto speak tor page summary read out when a web page is loaded. Quick Nav is toggled on and off by pressing left and right together. To open a new tab, press command + T To cycle through the open tabs select Control + Tab Hope this helps. If you want to send apple any feedback go to www.apple.com/feedback and you can also write to accessibil...@apple.com Hope this helps On 23 Jun 2010, at 07:58, Alfredo wrote: Thanks for verifying my suspicion that having the page read automatically made me not land on an edit field automatically. This will help me tremendously as I am an avid internet user and do not need to know if a page is loaded or not. Although, it would be nice to have an audio feedback when the page loads, or the option to set on instead of having the page be read automatically upon opening. Jumping by element would be a great feature, a time saver, and I believe it is needed, I will write about about this. I did not know that you could browse the web with such ease using quick nave, you activate quick nave by pressing the up arrow key in conjunction with the down arrow key right? Thanks for the command VO + J, to jump to the text edit field, I did not this existed as the starting guide has not told me or did not tell me, or explained this. Even greater thanks for the suggestion to click command + L, then VO + right arrow, twice, to get to do a Google search. Do you know if this will open a new tab, or will it just replace the webpage I am on? Is the control + option +T command used in voice over or in jaws? Thanks, alfredo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2957 - Release Date: 06/23/10 06:36:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: New window versus new tab
Chris, Yes, your explanation was very good. BTW, I've been using command-accent to cycle through windows. Since I've gotten used to that, I guess I'll stick with it. Linda -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:40 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: New window versus new tab Ok I can appreciate why this might be confusing. For myself when I was sighted a few months ago I always preferred tabs as it visually keeps the desktop tidy and keeps all your safari windows in one place. Plus if I was on several different websites such as Amazon or Play i could quickly compare prices between the two sites instead of having to keep moving open windows around. As a blind user now I guess it just comes down to what you are used to and comfortable with With tabs I can quickly cycle through them with Control + TAB. But equally so with open windows you can VO+F2 and then select the window from the list. So there is no right or wrong way, I would just say for a sighted person I think most people would prefer tabs. Does this answer your question? Chris On 23 Jun 2010, at 23:24, Linda Adams wrote: Chris and others, I need a simple basic explanation of the difference (in Safari) between opening a new window with command N versus opening a new tab with command T. Are they used differently in some way? TIA, Linda -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:17 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Have a question on selecting multiple item and navigating by form field and text In the voice utility VO+F8 you can activate sounds and this will give you an indication when a web page has loaded. This will save you from having to use the auto speak tor page summary read out when a web page is loaded. Quick Nav is toggled on and off by pressing left and right together. To open a new tab, press command + T To cycle through the open tabs select Control + Tab Hope this helps. If you want to send apple any feedback go to www.apple.com/feedback and you can also write to accessibil...@apple.com Hope this helps On 23 Jun 2010, at 07:58, Alfredo wrote: Thanks for verifying my suspicion that having the page read automatically made me not land on an edit field automatically. This will help me tremendously as I am an avid internet user and do not need to know if a page is loaded or not. Although, it would be nice to have an audio feedback when the page loads, or the option to set on instead of having the page be read automatically upon opening. Jumping by element would be a great feature, a time saver, and I believe it is needed, I will write about about this. I did not know that you could browse the web with such ease using quick nave, you activate quick nave by pressing the up arrow key in conjunction with the down arrow key right? Thanks for the command VO + J, to jump to the text edit field, I did not this existed as the starting guide has not told me or did not tell me, or explained this. Even greater thanks for the suggestion to click command + L, then VO + right arrow, twice, to get to do a Google search. Do you know if this will open a new tab, or will it just replace the webpage I am on? Is the control + option +T command used in voice over or in jaws? Thanks, alfredo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2957 - Release Date: 06/23/10 06:36:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to
Using Itunes on the Mac to turn VO on with a new IPad
Hi all, I just connected a new IPad to my Mac Book and it was recognized by ITunes. What I cannot figure out is how to use ITunes to turn VoiceOver on on the Ipad. In the IPad settings scroll area in ITunes there is a Status Tab, an Info Tab, and then about eight other tab fors media types. Can anyone walk me through turning on the Ipad's VO using ITunes on the Mac? Thanks Frank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Gestures on Multi-Touch trackpad.
James, Here is the link to the full guide http://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/ and here is the link to the Appendix that has the gesture commands http://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/_1131.html The guide is not all inclusive but it is very helpful. Linda -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 9:18 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Gestures on Multi-Touch trackpad. Hi, Consult the VoiceOVer manual. They're all in there. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook http://www.facebook.com/chojiro Twitter http://www.twitter.com/chojiro Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Chris Moore wrote: The ones I know (I use my iMac more then my macbook) flick left or right to move back and forth. Two fingers down swipe to read all. 3 fingers down swipe up and down to move up and down a page. 2 finger double tap at the bottom of the pad for the dock. 2 finger double tap at the top of the pad for the menu. Use 2 fingers and turn for the rota settings. 2 finger double tap on the left middle for open applications and 2 finger double tap on the right middle for open windows. Sorry to anyone in advance if I have left stuff out and made a mistake, like I say I have not got into gestures much yet. Hope this helps though Chris On 23 Jun 2010, at 13:52, James Gallagher wrote: Hello to all on the List. hope that all are well. Yesterday I bought my first MacBook pro 13inch 13inch 2.66GHz (Intel Core 2 Duo, 4Gb RAM, 320Gb Been using a Mac for coming up for three Years since Leopard got Braille support built in to it. And a very Happy Mac user. with an iMac and three Mac Minis. My Question and help I need is can anyone please give me any info about using VoiceOver Gestures on Multi-Touch trackpad. I read here that many of you use podt casts to learn from others about this. I am a Deafblind person so these things are no good to me. is there a good and helpful text document out there that I can read and learn all the thinks I can do with this great little trackpad. I would be very grateful for any info or help Please. all the very best to you all. Yours James The highest result of education is tolerance. Hellen Keller -- James Gallagher A-Z to Deafblindness http://www.deafblind.com http://www.deafblind.com/ A Deafblindness Web Resource http://www.deafblind.co.uk http://www.deafblind.co.uk/ Learn more about Braille Chess at http://www.BrailleChess.com http://www.BrailleChess.net/ My Guide Dogs http://www.wilma.co.uk http://www.wilma.co.uk/ For the Sighted Hearing my WAP site is at http://tagtag.com/deafblind -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2957 - Release Date: 06/23/10 06:36:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Using iTunes To Transfer Text Files Re: Using Itunes on the Mac to turn VO on with a new IPad
Please forgive the subject change; the address for this list hasn't yet made it into my address book. I am transferring *lots* of music from one iTunes library on a Mac to another; all mine and I can do that much. What I want to know is if I can transfer text and pdf and other kinds of files through iTunes. Can I add them to the library and have them come through and fish them out once they are on this computer? Or is this just not possible and I need to use my flash drives to transfer e-texts? Jane On 6/23/2010 7:52 PM, Frank Ventura wrote: Hi all, I just connected a new IPad to my Mac Book and it was recognized by ITunes. What I cannot figure out is how to use ITunes to turn VoiceOver on on the Ipad. In the IPad settings scroll area in ITunes there is a Status Tab, an Info Tab, and then about eight other tab fors media types. Can anyone walk me through turning on the Ipad's VO using ITunes on the Mac? Thanks Frank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: New window versus new tab
That is a very good answer! I am totally blind and personally like tabs better. it just seems smoother and faster to me than bringing up window chooser. Peggy Fleischer peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net Jude 1:24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy, 1:25 To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen. On Jun 23, 2010, at 6:40 PM, Chris Moore wrote: Ok I can appreciate why this might be confusing. For myself when I was sighted a few months ago I always preferred tabs as it visually keeps the desktop tidy and keeps all your safari windows in one place. Plus if I was on several different websites such as Amazon or Play i could quickly compare prices between the two sites instead of having to keep moving open windows around. As a blind user now I guess it just comes down to what you are used to and comfortable with With tabs I can quickly cycle through them with Control + TAB. But equally so with open windows you can VO+F2 and then select the window from the list. So there is no right or wrong way, I would just say for a sighted person I think most people would prefer tabs. Does this answer your question? Chris On 23 Jun 2010, at 23:24, Linda Adams wrote: Chris and others, I need a simple basic explanation of the difference (in Safari) between opening a new window with command N versus opening a new tab with command T. Are they used differently in some way? TIA, Linda -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:17 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Have a question on selecting multiple item and navigating by form field and text In the voice utility VO+F8 you can activate sounds and this will give you an indication when a web page has loaded. This will save you from having to use the auto speak tor page summary read out when a web page is loaded. Quick Nav is toggled on and off by pressing left and right together. To open a new tab, press command + T To cycle through the open tabs select Control + Tab Hope this helps. If you want to send apple any feedback go to www.apple.com/feedback and you can also write to accessibil...@apple.com Hope this helps On 23 Jun 2010, at 07:58, Alfredo wrote: Thanks for verifying my suspicion that having the page read automatically made me not land on an edit field automatically. This will help me tremendously as I am an avid internet user and do not need to know if a page is loaded or not. Although, it would be nice to have an audio feedback when the page loads, or the option to set on instead of having the page be read automatically upon opening. Jumping by element would be a great feature, a time saver, and I believe it is needed, I will write about about this. I did not know that you could browse the web with such ease using quick nave, you activate quick nave by pressing the up arrow key in conjunction with the down arrow key right? Thanks for the command VO + J, to jump to the text edit field, I did not this existed as the starting guide has not told me or did not tell me, or explained this. Even greater thanks for the suggestion to click command + L, then VO + right arrow, twice, to get to do a Google search. Do you know if this will open a new tab, or will it just replace the webpage I am on? Is the control + option +T command used in voice over or in jaws? Thanks, alfredo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2957 - Release Date: 06/23/10 06:36:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this
HTML versions of the new iOS4 user guides for iPhone and iPod Touch
Hello, I did some digging around for HTML versions of the iPhone and iPod Touch User Guides under iOS 4, and here's what I found. These are all in English, so I don't know whether there are versions up for other languages. Trying the obvious things (like changing en for English to fr for French, etc.) didn't work. • The Accessible Version of the new iPhone 4G User Guide, which you can read from any web browser http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/en/ • The iPhone 4G User Guide (only shows up in HTML when viewed from an iPhone or iPod Touch, otherwise you get taken to the Apple Support Page for the device) http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/ • The iPod Touch User Guide under iOS 4 ((only shows up in HTML when viewed from an iPhone or iPod Touch, otherwise you get taken to the Apple Support Page for the device) http://help.apple.com/ipodtouch/4/ These last two versions of the user guides likely show up under bookmarks in Safari if you have bought a new device, and if you don't have MobileMe (with a setup so that your Safari Bookmarks from your computer sync to the iPhone or iPod Touch). I don't know about the iPod Touch User Guide -- that was absent in the Safari bookmarks on devices at the time I bought my iPod Touch (last September), and for several months afterwards, according to checks of the devices in the Apple Stores. One warning: these last two versions of the HTML guides have the same VoiceOver bug that we discovered last December: if you access the HTML pages of these guides from your iPhone or iPod Touch with VoiceOver turned on, you will be able to flick to, but not activate, any linked entries beyond the first page. The rule is, if you can't touch the entry and double-tap it on the screen, you won't be able to open the page. The work-around is to toggle VoiceOver off (with a triple click of the home button), do a three-finger flick up to move past the first screen of entries, and then toggle VoiceOver on again. I suggest that people add bookmarks to the accessible HTML version of the iPhone users guide given in the first link. You can put an icon on your device screen by going to that page in Safari on your iPhone or iPod Touch, then double tapping the Utilities button at the bottom center of your screen, just above the home button. You can then put an icon for the accessible iPhone 4 manual on your home screen by double tapping the Add to Home Screen button, or you can simply add it as a bookmark in Safari by double tapping the Add Bookmark button. I personally choose to put a link to the section on VoiceOver on my home screen: http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/en/iph3e2e4218.html Others may want to start one level up, at the Accessibility chapter, in order to access information like the new large text fonts in mail and messages: http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/en/iph3e2e2c13.html Still other will only want to link one level down, to the VoiceOver gestures section: http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/en/iph3e2e2281.html Just to summarize, the new gesture under iOS 4 is: Two-finger scrub: Move two fingers back and forth three times quickly (making a z) to dismiss an alert or go back to the previous screen. HTH. If anyone finds versions of the user guides for other languages, please post. Cheers, Esther -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: What view to you use on the finder and which is easier for beginner?
I think that the column view would be nice as is the list view, i will try both of these. as for beginners i thinkt aht the list view is better since it uses the voice over keys whcih i think a beginner should get used to since they use these keys alot in the OS. thanks, alfredo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: amadeus question
Hi Allison, One other question. Have you heard of a way to record on that second track at the same time you're playing the first one? Friendly, Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: closing apps on the iPod and iPhone
Thanks, Chris. It worked beautifully. Friendly, Chris On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Chris Moore wrote: Go to the app switcher and then double tap on the app, but on the second tap you hold for a few seconds. You are then in edit mode, just simply double tap the app to be removed. from the app switcher. Chris On 23 Jun 2010, at 22:29, Chris Snyder wrote: Hi all, So when I hit the home button, it appears to close the app, but when I go to the app switcher, the app I tried to close is still there. How does one close the apps now in IOS4? Friendly, Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Webkit and Audible
Hello, I downloaded the latest version of webkit this evening and it seems so far to be working with Audible. Those of you like me who have had problems with Safari v5 might want to give it a try. So far so good! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Economics and the Mac
every school system that I have ever had any dealings with uses macintosh computers in at least some of their labs and teaching. On Jun 23, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I don't mean to be harsh but, your local school system is the minority. It really has no baring on Bryan's original comment. On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:41 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: In regards to your academia comment, the public school system, my high school's library, as well as mobile labs many elementary schools around here, are Mac-based. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Bryan Smart bryansm...@bryansmart.com wrote: Microsoft tried to make a full screen reader over 10 years ago. Between the National Federation of the Blind, and the various screen reader companies, they were threatened with all sorts of vocally loud press for putting blind people out of work at the AT companies. MS decided that hot potato was more trouble than it was worth, and dropped the project. I guess Apple didn't get the same treatment since there was no screen reader company to put out of business, unless you count how Berkeley Systems got shafted, and most of the blindness orgs know that, while individuals might like Macs, business and academia will continue to insist on Windows machines for a long time to come. Macs are mostly irrelevant to them. Bryan On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Richie Gardenhire wrote: I have changed the subject line to more reflect on the discussion at hand. If Apple can set aside resources to make their Mac computers universally marketed across the board, there is no reason why Microsoftshouldn't, (and they definitely have the resources and the technical expertise throughout the company) to do so. And if it brings the prices down, and Microsoft does, for example, develop a mechanism by which Windows can be installed out of the box without sighted assistance, companies such as Freedom Scientific would then be forced to either go with the trend; otherwise, they would lose their economic dolars; after all, isn't that what competition for tax dollars and marketshare is all about? In my humble opinion, for what it's worth, the only reason Freedom Scientific survives in the market is because they have contracted with some state agencies and government entities, and we bare the brunt of the expense ineirectly. I paid less for my car than I have for braille displays costing $8000 to $12,000 dollars at a time. In Alaska, for example, the biggest majority of vision loss occurs in the elderly population and baby boomers who are about to reach retirement age. We have no school for the blind in Alaska; therefore, if parents want to send their blind kids off to a residential school, they would have to send them Stateside, which costs the state thousands of dollars which they could probably find other revenues to use elsewhere.There are a handful of us who are blind and visually-impaired Macusers, but that numberis increasing, as the word about VoiceOver gets out. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:21 PM, carlene knight wrote: I know that the companies take huge advantage of the fact that they have a guaranteed nitch and can charge whatever they want. That's why I will not upgrade my JAWS SMA. For one thing I don't need it and secondly, I don't want to pay that kind of price for an upgrade, but FS knows that they can get away with it because of a guaranteed market. I'm not saying things could not change, but simply stating that you can't get JAWS or a Braille display from a home electronics ore software store, and I wouldn't expect to happen any time soon if ever. In their eyes, why should They bother as they won't sell enough of them to make it worth their while. There is a cell phone put out by Capital Accessibility in Europe. I've seen one and it's no big deal. The speech is great, but there is no camera, digital screen, or anything that might ad a bit of a price to the phone. It's built like a brick, but it is over $500 and though the speech is clear, it's very robotic. Tell me that's not ridiculous? I don't know that agencies are responsible for this one, but the phone is so tailored to our needs that somebody will buy it. Not me. Granted, if more people were learning braille and speech software as they were dealing with macular degeneration, and there was a big enough demand for it, things might come down a bit. That's great about the scanner. I'd better stop typing now as I am misspelling more things than I am typing correctly and am about to throw this keyboard, though it's not at fault. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: With all due respect, that argument has been used time and time again. To that, I say this: the best example of a product that has gone down in price because of the acceptance of it by the sighted
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That's very interesting! I had never heard MS was interested in developing a screen reader. I thought their position was always it was better left to third party vendors. Of course back then MS was also under pressure for forcing people to take Internet Explorer as part of the OS. I wonder how good the screen reader would have been or what their long term commitment to it would have been. Twenty years ago Ibm developed a screen reader first for Dos then later for Os2 only to let them die later on. On Jun 23, 2010, at 9:25 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: every school system that I have ever had any dealings with uses macintosh computers in at least some of their labs and teaching. On Jun 23, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I don't mean to be harsh but, your local school system is the minority. It really has no baring on Bryan's original comment. On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:41 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: In regards to your academia comment, the public school system, my high school's library, as well as mobile labs many elementary schools around here, are Mac-based. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Bryan Smart bryansm...@bryansmart.com wrote: Microsoft tried to make a full screen reader over 10 years ago. Between the National Federation of the Blind, and the various screen reader companies, they were threatened with all sorts of vocally loud press for putting blind people out of work at the AT companies. MS decided that hot potato was more trouble than it was worth, and dropped the project. I guess Apple didn't get the same treatment since there was no screen reader company to put out of business, unless you count how Berkeley Systems got shafted, and most of the blindness orgs know that, while individuals might like Macs, business and academia will continue to insist on Windows machines for a long time to come. Macs are mostly irrelevant to them. Bryan On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Richie Gardenhire wrote: I have changed the subject line to more reflect on the discussion at hand. If Apple can set aside resources to make their Mac computers universally marketed across the board, there is no reason why Microsoftshouldn't, (and they definitely have the resources and the technical expertise throughout the company) to do so. And if it brings the prices down, and Microsoft does, for example, develop a mechanism by which Windows can be installed out of the box without sighted assistance, companies such as Freedom Scientific would then be forced to either go with the trend; otherwise, they would lose their economic dolars; after all, isn't that what competition for tax dollars and marketshare is all about? In my humble opinion, for what it's worth, the only reason Freedom Scientific survives in the market is because they have contracted with some state agencies and government entities, and we bare the brunt of the expense ineirectly. I paid less for my car than I have for braille displays costing $8000 to $12,000 dollars at a time. In Alaska, for example, the biggest majority of vision loss occurs in the elderly population and baby boomers who are about to reach retirement age. We have no school for the blind in Alaska; therefore, if parents want to send their blind kids off to a residential school, they would have to send them Stateside, which costs the state thousands of dollars which they could probably find other revenues to use elsewhere.There are a handful of us who are blind and visually-impaired Macusers, but that numberis increasing, as the word about VoiceOver gets out. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:21 PM, carlene knight wrote: I know that the companies take huge advantage of the fact that they have a guaranteed nitch and can charge whatever they want. That's why I will not upgrade my JAWS SMA. For one thing I don't need it and secondly, I don't want to pay that kind of price for an upgrade, but FS knows that they can get away with it because of a guaranteed market. I'm not saying things could not change, but simply stating that you can't get JAWS or a Braille display from a home electronics ore software store, and I wouldn't expect to happen any time soon if ever. In their eyes, why should They bother as they won't sell enough of them to make it worth their while. There is a cell phone put out by Capital Accessibility in Europe. I've seen one and it's no big deal. The speech is great, but there is no camera, digital screen, or anything that might ad a bit of a price to the phone. It's built like a brick, but it is over $500 and though the speech is clear, it's very robotic. Tell me that's not ridiculous? I don't know that agencies are responsible for this one, but the phone is so tailored to our needs that somebody will buy it. Not me. Granted, if more people were learning braille and speech software as
Re: Economics and the Mac
that is why I can't stand the NFB but then again a rich attourney runs it, or used to, so what do you expect. he has disposable income On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:49 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: Hmm, The school system here in Arizona has always dealt with Apple. When I was little, we had Apple 2E and 2GS computers, and when I got to high school, we had the mac SE and other models. Now that my own children are in school, they're learning on iMacs. Apple has always been involved with k-12 education here. It's actually rather nice since I can help the kids with their computer classes on the Mac. As far as the libraries around town go, they're all PC based, especially in the adaptive technology rooms where they keep the braille writers and scanners and such. As far as Microsoft trying to make a screen reader is concerned, once again, the NFB shoots blind people without state help in the foot yet again. I would always would rather not pay extra for adaptive tech, and indeed it's why I got rid of all but one of the PC's in the house. The more I see of the iPhone, the more excited I get over it, and the more I actually consider switching to ATT's evil empire. Anyway, just my two cents. Friendly, Chris On Jun 23, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I don't mean to be harsh but, your local school system is the minority. It really has no baring on Bryan's original comment. On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:41 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: In regards to your academia comment, the public school system, my high school's library, as well as mobile labs many elementary schools around here, are Mac-based. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Bryan Smart bryansm...@bryansmart.com wrote: Microsoft tried to make a full screen reader over 10 years ago. Between the National Federation of the Blind, and the various screen reader companies, they were threatened with all sorts of vocally loud press for putting blind people out of work at the AT companies. MS decided that hot potato was more trouble than it was worth, and dropped the project. I guess Apple didn't get the same treatment since there was no screen reader company to put out of business, unless you count how Berkeley Systems got shafted, and most of the blindness orgs know that, while individuals might like Macs, business and academia will continue to insist on Windows machines for a long time to come. Macs are mostly irrelevant to them. Bryan On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Richie Gardenhire wrote: I have changed the subject line to more reflect on the discussion at hand. If Apple can set aside resources to make their Mac computers universally marketed across the board, there is no reason why Microsoftshouldn't, (and they definitely have the resources and the technical expertise throughout the company) to do so. And if it brings the prices down, and Microsoft does, for example, develop a mechanism by which Windows can be installed out of the box without sighted assistance, companies such as Freedom Scientific would then be forced to either go with the trend; otherwise, they would lose their economic dolars; after all, isn't that what competition for tax dollars and marketshare is all about? In my humble opinion, for what it's worth, the only reason Freedom Scientific survives in the market is because they have contracted with some state agencies and government entities, and we bare the brunt of the expense ineirectly. I paid less for my car than I have for braille displays costing $8000 to $12,000 dollars at a time. In Alaska, for example, the biggest majority of vision loss occurs in the elderly population and baby boomers who are about to reach retirement age. We have no school for the blind in Alaska; therefore, if parents want to send their blind kids off to a residential school, they would have to send them Stateside, which costs the state thousands of dollars which they could probably find other revenues to use elsewhere.There are a handful of us who are blind and visually-impaired Macusers, but that numberis increasing, as the word about VoiceOver gets out. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:21 PM, carlene knight wrote: I know that the companies take huge advantage of the fact that they have a guaranteed nitch and can charge whatever they want. That's why I will not upgrade my JAWS SMA. For one thing I don't need it and secondly, I don't want to pay that kind of price for an upgrade, but FS knows that they can get away with it because of a guaranteed market. I'm not saying things could not change, but simply stating that you can't get JAWS or a Braille display from a home electronics ore software store, and I wouldn't expect to happen any time soon if ever. In their eyes, why should They bother as they won't sell enough of them to make it worth their while. There is a cell phone put out by
Re: Economics and the Mac
Not totally sure on that minority claim. fro many many years, apple had the apple core program where they donated apple computers to schools around the country. I went to high school in Arkansas...a grand while ago, and the computers we had were apple computers. You might be surprised how many schools are so equip. Karen On Wed, 23 Jun 2010, Michael Thurman wrote: every school system that I have ever had any dealings with uses macintosh computers in at least some of their labs and teaching. On Jun 23, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I don't mean to be harsh but, your local school system is the minority. It really has no baring on Bryan's original comment. On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:41 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: In regards to your academia comment, the public school system, my high school's library, as well as mobile labs many elementary schools around here, are Mac-based. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Bryan Smart bryansm...@bryansmart.com wrote: Microsoft tried to make a full screen reader over 10 years ago. Between the National Federation of the Blind, and the various screen reader companies, they were threatened with all sorts of vocally loud press for putting blind people out of work at the AT companies. MS decided that hot potato was more trouble than it was worth, and dropped the project. I guess Apple didn't get the same treatment since there was no screen reader company to put out of business, unless you count how Berkeley Systems got shafted, and most of the blindness orgs know that, while individuals might like Macs, business and academia will continue to insist on Windows machines for a long time to come. Macs are mostly irrelevant to them. Bryan On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Richie Gardenhire wrote: I have changed the subject line to more reflect on the discussion at hand. If Apple can set aside resources to make their Mac computers universally marketed across the board, there is no reason why Microsoftshouldn't, (and they definitely have the resources and the technical expertise throughout the company) to do so. And if it brings the prices down, and Microsoft does, for example, develop a mechanism by which Windows can be installed out of the box without sighted assistance, companies such as Freedom Scientific would then be forced to either go with the trend; otherwise, they would lose their economic dolars; after all, isn't that what competition for tax dollars and marketshare is all about? In my humble opinion, for what it's worth, the only reason Freedom Scientific survives in the market is because they have contracted with some state agencies and government entities, and we bare the brunt of the expense ineirectly. I paid less for my car than I have for braille displays costing $8000 to $12,000 dollars at a time. In Alaska, for example, the biggest majority of vision loss occurs in the elderly population and baby boomers who are about to reach retirement age. We have no school for the blind in Alaska; therefore, if parents want to send their blind kids off to a residential school, they would have to send them Stateside, which costs the state thousands of dollars which they could probably find other revenues to use elsewhere.There are a handful of us who are blind and visually-impaired Macusers, but that numberis increasing, as the word about VoiceOver gets out. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:21 PM, carlene knight wrote: I know that the companies take huge advantage of the fact that they have a guaranteed nitch and can charge whatever they want. That's why I will not upgrade my JAWS SMA. For one thing I don't need it and secondly, I don't want to pay that kind of price for an upgrade, but FS knows that they can get away with it because of a guaranteed market. I'm not saying things could not change, but simply stating that you can't get JAWS or a Braille display from a home electronics ore software store, and I wouldn't expect to happen any time soon if ever. In their eyes, why should They bother as they won't sell enough of them to make it worth their while. There is a cell phone put out by Capital Accessibility in Europe. I've seen one and it's no big deal. The speech is great, but there is no camera, digital screen, or anything that might ad a bit of a price to the phone. It's built like a brick, but it is over $500 and though the speech is clear, it's very robotic. Tell me that's not ridiculous? I don't know that agencies are responsible for this one, but the phone is so tailored to our needs that somebody will buy it. Not me. Granted, if more people were learning braille and speech software as they were dealing with macular degeneration, and there was a big enough demand for it, things might come down a bit. That's great about the scanner. I'd better stop typing now as I am misspelling more things than I am typing correctly and am about to throw this keyboard, though it's not at fault. On Nov 30, 2009,
Re: New window versus new tab
When I was sighted I used tabs because they used to sayt hat opening new windows would take more ram, which, if you had many opened windows, would slow down your computer. Tabs open the new web page inside the browser window which saves ram by not having to open a new instance of the browser. I do not know if this is tru today, but I suppose it should hold tru. Tab browsing is not only for the sighted but for the blind, as you can manage your opened webpages, since when wanting to change to another webpage you just control + tab. When you want to change to another program, you would just command + tab, a few times, instead of many times because the webpages are opened in a program window. Alfredo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Economics and the Mac
I hate to say it this way, but I agree with you about the NFB. I don't think you could have said it any better (smiley). All the school systems I have been through had Macks, the first computer I ever started with was a Mack, I guess it was an Apple 2, not sure though. Courtney On Jun 23, 2010, at 9:33 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: that is why I can't stand the NFB but then again a rich attourney runs it, or used to, so what do you expect. he has disposable income On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:49 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: Hmm, The school system here in Arizona has always dealt with Apple. When I was little, we had Apple 2E and 2GS computers, and when I got to high school, we had the mac SE and other models. Now that my own children are in school, they're learning on iMacs. Apple has always been involved with k-12 education here. It's actually rather nice since I can help the kids with their computer classes on the Mac. As far as the libraries around town go, they're all PC based, especially in the adaptive technology rooms where they keep the braille writers and scanners and such. As far as Microsoft trying to make a screen reader is concerned, once again, the NFB shoots blind people without state help in the foot yet again. I would always would rather not pay extra for adaptive tech, and indeed it's why I got rid of all but one of the PC's in the house. The more I see of the iPhone, the more excited I get over it, and the more I actually consider switching to ATT's evil empire. Anyway, just my two cents. Friendly, Chris On Jun 23, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I don't mean to be harsh but, your local school system is the minority. It really has no baring on Bryan's original comment. On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:41 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: In regards to your academia comment, the public school system, my high school's library, as well as mobile labs many elementary schools around here, are Mac-based. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Bryan Smart bryansm...@bryansmart.com wrote: Microsoft tried to make a full screen reader over 10 years ago. Between the National Federation of the Blind, and the various screen reader companies, they were threatened with all sorts of vocally loud press for putting blind people out of work at the AT companies. MS decided that hot potato was more trouble than it was worth, and dropped the project. I guess Apple didn't get the same treatment since there was no screen reader company to put out of business, unless you count how Berkeley Systems got shafted, and most of the blindness orgs know that, while individuals might like Macs, business and academia will continue to insist on Windows machines for a long time to come. Macs are mostly irrelevant to them. Bryan On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Richie Gardenhire wrote: I have changed the subject line to more reflect on the discussion at hand. If Apple can set aside resources to make their Mac computers universally marketed across the board, there is no reason why Microsoftshouldn't, (and they definitely have the resources and the technical expertise throughout the company) to do so. And if it brings the prices down, and Microsoft does, for example, develop a mechanism by which Windows can be installed out of the box without sighted assistance, companies such as Freedom Scientific would then be forced to either go with the trend; otherwise, they would lose their economic dolars; after all, isn't that what competition for tax dollars and marketshare is all about? In my humble opinion, for what it's worth, the only reason Freedom Scientific survives in the market is because they have contracted with some state agencies and government entities, and we bare the brunt of the expense ineirectly. I paid less for my car than I have for braille displays costing $8000 to $12,000 dollars at a time. In Alaska, for example, the biggest majority of vision loss occurs in the elderly population and baby boomers who are about to reach retirement age. We have no school for the blind in Alaska; therefore, if parents want to send their blind kids off to a residential school, they would have to send them Stateside, which costs the state thousands of dollars which they could probably find other revenues to use elsewhere.There are a handful of us who are blind and visually-impaired Macusers, but that numberis increasing, as the word about VoiceOver gets out. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:21 PM, carlene knight wrote: I know that the companies take huge advantage of the fact that they have a guaranteed nitch and can charge whatever they want. That's why I will not upgrade my JAWS SMA. For one thing I don't need it and secondly, I don't want to pay that kind of price for an upgrade, but FS knows that they can get away with it because of a guaranteed market. I'm not
RE: Economics and the Mac
Yeh, and my schools in the 1980's and 90's had Apple IIs and Macs, also. I learned to program on an Apple IIe that I got to use at school. My first encounter with assistive tech was an Apple IIe with an Echo II, Braille-Edit, and a Cramner embosser. Since then, there has been the Internet revolution, the smartphone revolution, 7 major releases of the Mac OS (in different forms), at least 7 major releases of Windows, Linux, and so on. That has been a long time. Hey, if there were Macs around here, or in any state around here, I'd be all for it and eager to pick up the work. All the outreach divisions associated with agencies that serve the AT needs of disabled students have practically no demand for Mac services. They're tasked with providing equipment, training, and associated services to help a disabled student use the same computing resources as their sighted peers. So, if there are Macs, and the student has to use them, it is on the agencies to make it work. None of them bother to learn anything about the Mac, because there is no demand for it at work. When the odd ball situation comes up, they contract out the work, which is rare. I'm the only contractor they have that supports the Mac, and rarely do I get work from them for that reason. Usually, they contact me about technology issues related to assistive tech for music. I bet there are many school districts in California that use Macs. I suspect that there are other clusters of Mac use. I can tell you, though, in the south-eastern US, the school world is thousands and thousands of Windows-based PCs, adapted for the totally blind, when needed, with Jaws. I don't really like it, but that's how it is here. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 9:39 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Economics and the Mac Not totally sure on that minority claim. fro many many years, apple had the apple core program where they donated apple computers to schools around the country. I went to high school in Arkansas...a grand while ago, and the computers we had were apple computers. You might be surprised how many schools are so equip. Karen On Wed, 23 Jun 2010, Michael Thurman wrote: every school system that I have ever had any dealings with uses macintosh computers in at least some of their labs and teaching. On Jun 23, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I don't mean to be harsh but, your local school system is the minority. It really has no baring on Bryan's original comment. On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:41 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: In regards to your academia comment, the public school system, my high school's library, as well as mobile labs many elementary schools around here, are Mac-based. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Bryan Smart bryansm...@bryansmart.com wrote: Microsoft tried to make a full screen reader over 10 years ago. Between the National Federation of the Blind, and the various screen reader companies, they were threatened with all sorts of vocally loud press for putting blind people out of work at the AT companies. MS decided that hot potato was more trouble than it was worth, and dropped the project. I guess Apple didn't get the same treatment since there was no screen reader company to put out of business, unless you count how Berkeley Systems got shafted, and most of the blindness orgs know that, while individuals might like Macs, business and academia will continue to insist on Windows machines for a long time to come. Macs are mostly irrelevant to them. Bryan On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Richie Gardenhire wrote: I have changed the subject line to more reflect on the discussion at hand. If Apple can set aside resources to make their Mac computers universally marketed across the board, there is no reason why Microsoftshouldn't, (and they definitely have the resources and the technical expertise throughout the company) to do so. And if it brings the prices down, and Microsoft does, for example, develop a mechanism by which Windows can be installed out of the box without sighted assistance, companies such as Freedom Scientific would then be forced to either go with the trend; otherwise, they would lose their economic dolars; after all, isn't that what competition for tax dollars and marketshare is all about? In my humble opinion, for what it's worth, the only reason Freedom Scientific survives in the market is because they have contracted with some state agencies and government entities, and we bare the brunt of the expense ineirectly. I paid less for my car than I have for braille displays costing $8000 to $12,000 dollars at a time. In Alaska, for example, the biggest majority of vision loss occurs in the elderly population and baby boomers who are about to reach retirement age. We have no school for the
Re: Webkit and Audible
I can confirm this here, is working well here as well. Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Economics and the Mac
I don't know, The last time I saw a Mac in a school I was 11 years old. This was in 1994. all throughout high school and college I've yet to see one. The public libraries all use windows PCs as well. How far back are you guys talking about since you've seen Macs in schools? I don't mean to be rude but, if your using your experiences from what you used 20 years ago I don't know how valid that is. On Jun 23, 2010, at 9:39 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Not totally sure on that minority claim. fro many many years, apple had the apple core program where they donated apple computers to schools around the country. I went to high school in Arkansas...a grand while ago, and the computers we had were apple computers. You might be surprised how many schools are so equip. Karen On Wed, 23 Jun 2010, Michael Thurman wrote: every school system that I have ever had any dealings with uses macintosh computers in at least some of their labs and teaching. On Jun 23, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I don't mean to be harsh but, your local school system is the minority. It really has no baring on Bryan's original comment. On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:41 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: In regards to your academia comment, the public school system, my high school's library, as well as mobile labs many elementary schools around here, are Mac-based. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Bryan Smart bryansm...@bryansmart.com wrote: Microsoft tried to make a full screen reader over 10 years ago. Between the National Federation of the Blind, and the various screen reader companies, they were threatened with all sorts of vocally loud press for putting blind people out of work at the AT companies. MS decided that hot potato was more trouble than it was worth, and dropped the project. I guess Apple didn't get the same treatment since there was no screen reader company to put out of business, unless you count how Berkeley Systems got shafted, and most of the blindness orgs know that, while individuals might like Macs, business and academia will continue to insist on Windows machines for a long time to come. Macs are mostly irrelevant to them. Bryan On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Richie Gardenhire wrote: I have changed the subject line to more reflect on the discussion at hand. If Apple can set aside resources to make their Mac computers universally marketed across the board, there is no reason why Microsoftshouldn't, (and they definitely have the resources and the technical expertise throughout the company) to do so. And if it brings the prices down, and Microsoft does, for example, develop a mechanism by which Windows can be installed out of the box without sighted assistance, companies such as Freedom Scientific would then be forced to either go with the trend; otherwise, they would lose their economic dolars; after all, isn't that what competition for tax dollars and marketshare is all about? In my humble opinion, for what it's worth, the only reason Freedom Scientific survives in the market is because they have contracted with some state agencies and government entities, and we bare the brunt of the expense ineirectly. I paid less for my car than I have for braille displays costing $8000 to $12,000 dollars at a time. In Alaska, for example, the biggest majority of vision loss occurs in the elderly population and baby boomers who are about to reach retirement age. We have no school for the blind in Alaska; therefore, if parents want to send their blind kids off to a residential school, they would have to send them Stateside, which costs the state thousands of dollars which they could probably find other revenues to use elsewhere.There are a handful of us who are blind and visually-impaired Macusers, but that numberis increasing, as the word about VoiceOver gets out. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:21 PM, carlene knight wrote: I know that the companies take huge advantage of the fact that they have a guaranteed nitch and can charge whatever they want. That's why I will not upgrade my JAWS SMA. For one thing I don't need it and secondly, I don't want to pay that kind of price for an upgrade, but FS knows that they can get away with it because of a guaranteed market. I'm not saying things could not change, but simply stating that you can't get JAWS or a Braille display from a home electronics ore software store, and I wouldn't expect to happen any time soon if ever. In their eyes, why should They bother as they won't sell enough of them to make it worth their while. There is a cell phone put out by Capital Accessibility in Europe. I've seen one and it's no big deal. The speech is great, but there is no camera, digital screen, or anything that might ad a bit of a price to the phone. It's built like a brick, but it is over $500 and though the speech is clear, it's very robotic. Tell me
Re: Webkit and Audible
how do I get it? Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower, Steve Jobs On Jun 23, 2010, at 6:25 PM, David McLean wrote: Hello, I downloaded the latest version of webkit this evening and it seems so far to be working with Audible. Those of you like me who have had problems with Safari v5 might want to give it a try. So far so good! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Economics and the Mac
Hi, I saw a Mack in school since 1997, when I was in first grade. They've been in the schools in my county ever since. And they have them at the college that I'm currently attending. On Jun 23, 2010, at 10:08 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: I don't know, The last time I saw a Mac in a school I was 11 years old. This was in 1994. all throughout high school and college I've yet to see one. The public libraries all use windows PCs as well. How far back are you guys talking about since you've seen Macs in schools? I don't mean to be rude but, if your using your experiences from what you used 20 years ago I don't know how valid that is. On Jun 23, 2010, at 9:39 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Not totally sure on that minority claim. fro many many years, apple had the apple core program where they donated apple computers to schools around the country. I went to high school in Arkansas...a grand while ago, and the computers we had were apple computers. You might be surprised how many schools are so equip. Karen On Wed, 23 Jun 2010, Michael Thurman wrote: every school system that I have ever had any dealings with uses macintosh computers in at least some of their labs and teaching. On Jun 23, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I don't mean to be harsh but, your local school system is the minority. It really has no baring on Bryan's original comment. On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:41 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: In regards to your academia comment, the public school system, my high school's library, as well as mobile labs many elementary schools around here, are Mac-based. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Bryan Smart bryansm...@bryansmart.com wrote: Microsoft tried to make a full screen reader over 10 years ago. Between the National Federation of the Blind, and the various screen reader companies, they were threatened with all sorts of vocally loud press for putting blind people out of work at the AT companies. MS decided that hot potato was more trouble than it was worth, and dropped the project. I guess Apple didn't get the same treatment since there was no screen reader company to put out of business, unless you count how Berkeley Systems got shafted, and most of the blindness orgs know that, while individuals might like Macs, business and academia will continue to insist on Windows machines for a long time to come. Macs are mostly irrelevant to them. Bryan On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Richie Gardenhire wrote: I have changed the subject line to more reflect on the discussion at hand. If Apple can set aside resources to make their Mac computers universally marketed across the board, there is no reason why Microsoftshouldn't, (and they definitely have the resources and the technical expertise throughout the company) to do so. And if it brings the prices down, and Microsoft does, for example, develop a mechanism by which Windows can be installed out of the box without sighted assistance, companies such as Freedom Scientific would then be forced to either go with the trend; otherwise, they would lose their economic dolars; after all, isn't that what competition for tax dollars and marketshare is all about? In my humble opinion, for what it's worth, the only reason Freedom Scientific survives in the market is because they have contracted with some state agencies and government entities, and we bare the brunt of the expense ineirectly. I paid less for my car than I have for braille displays costing $8000 to $12,000 dollars at a time. In Alaska, for example, the biggest majority of vision loss occurs in the elderly population and baby boomers who are about to reach retirement age. We have no school for the blind in Alaska; therefore, if parents want to send their blind kids off to a residential school, they would have to send them Stateside, which costs the state thousands of dollars which they could probably find other revenues to use elsewhere.There are a handful of us who are blind and visually-impaired Macusers, but that numberis increasing, as the word about VoiceOver gets out. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:21 PM, carlene knight wrote: I know that the companies take huge advantage of the fact that they have a guaranteed nitch and can charge whatever they want. That's why I will not upgrade my JAWS SMA. For one thing I don't need it and secondly, I don't want to pay that kind of price for an upgrade, but FS knows that they can get away with it because of a guaranteed market. I'm not saying things could not change, but simply stating that you can't get JAWS or a Braille display from a home electronics ore software store, and I wouldn't expect to happen any time soon if ever. In their eyes, why should They bother as they won't sell enough of them to make it worth their while. There is a cell phone put out by Capital Accessibility in Europe. I've seen one and
Re: Webkit and Audible
I tried it a few times and working here as well. On Jun 23, 2010, at 9:58 PM, Mike Reiser wrote: I can confirm this here, is working well here as well. Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Economics and the Mac
Well, I saw the macs in my own schools starting in about 1986 when I was in second grade. But as I said, my children, the oldest of whom is eight, use macs in their school. I checked into it, and the entire district as well as several surrounding it also use macs. Friendly, Chris On Jun 23, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: I don't know, The last time I saw a Mac in a school I was 11 years old. This was in 1994. all throughout high school and college I've yet to see one. The public libraries all use windows PCs as well. How far back are you guys talking about since you've seen Macs in schools? I don't mean to be rude but, if your using your experiences from what you used 20 years ago I don't know how valid that is. On Jun 23, 2010, at 9:39 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Not totally sure on that minority claim. fro many many years, apple had the apple core program where they donated apple computers to schools around the country. I went to high school in Arkansas...a grand while ago, and the computers we had were apple computers. You might be surprised how many schools are so equip. Karen On Wed, 23 Jun 2010, Michael Thurman wrote: every school system that I have ever had any dealings with uses macintosh computers in at least some of their labs and teaching. On Jun 23, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I don't mean to be harsh but, your local school system is the minority. It really has no baring on Bryan's original comment. On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:41 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: In regards to your academia comment, the public school system, my high school's library, as well as mobile labs many elementary schools around here, are Mac-based. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Bryan Smart bryansm...@bryansmart.com wrote: Microsoft tried to make a full screen reader over 10 years ago. Between the National Federation of the Blind, and the various screen reader companies, they were threatened with all sorts of vocally loud press for putting blind people out of work at the AT companies. MS decided that hot potato was more trouble than it was worth, and dropped the project. I guess Apple didn't get the same treatment since there was no screen reader company to put out of business, unless you count how Berkeley Systems got shafted, and most of the blindness orgs know that, while individuals might like Macs, business and academia will continue to insist on Windows machines for a long time to come. Macs are mostly irrelevant to them. Bryan On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Richie Gardenhire wrote: I have changed the subject line to more reflect on the discussion at hand. If Apple can set aside resources to make their Mac computers universally marketed across the board, there is no reason why Microsoftshouldn't, (and they definitely have the resources and the technical expertise throughout the company) to do so. And if it brings the prices down, and Microsoft does, for example, develop a mechanism by which Windows can be installed out of the box without sighted assistance, companies such as Freedom Scientific would then be forced to either go with the trend; otherwise, they would lose their economic dolars; after all, isn't that what competition for tax dollars and marketshare is all about? In my humble opinion, for what it's worth, the only reason Freedom Scientific survives in the market is because they have contracted with some state agencies and government entities, and we bare the brunt of the expense ineirectly. I paid less for my car than I have for braille displays costing $8000 to $12,000 dollars at a time. In Alaska, for example, the biggest majority of vision loss occurs in the elderly population and baby boomers who are about to reach retirement age. We have no school for the blind in Alaska; therefore, if parents want to send their blind kids off to a residential school, they would have to send them Stateside, which costs the state thousands of dollars which they could probably find other revenues to use elsewhere.There are a handful of us who are blind and visually-impaired Macusers, but that numberis increasing, as the word about VoiceOver gets out. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:21 PM, carlene knight wrote: I know that the companies take huge advantage of the fact that they have a guaranteed nitch and can charge whatever they want. That's why I will not upgrade my JAWS SMA. For one thing I don't need it and secondly, I don't want to pay that kind of price for an upgrade, but FS knows that they can get away with it because of a guaranteed market. I'm not saying things could not change, but simply stating that you can't get JAWS or a Braille display from a home electronics ore software store, and I wouldn't expect to happen any time soon if ever. In their eyes, why should They bother as they won't sell enough of them to make it worth
Re: Economics and the Mac
Ah, Ok. I guess this might have much to do with States or regions. At least in NYC its rare to see a Mac in a school or library now a days On Jun 23, 2010, at 10:38 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: Well, I saw the macs in my own schools starting in about 1986 when I was in second grade. But as I said, my children, the oldest of whom is eight, use macs in their school. I checked into it, and the entire district as well as several surrounding it also use macs. Friendly, Chris On Jun 23, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: I don't know, The last time I saw a Mac in a school I was 11 years old. This was in 1994. all throughout high school and college I've yet to see one. The public libraries all use windows PCs as well. How far back are you guys talking about since you've seen Macs in schools? I don't mean to be rude but, if your using your experiences from what you used 20 years ago I don't know how valid that is. On Jun 23, 2010, at 9:39 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Not totally sure on that minority claim. fro many many years, apple had the apple core program where they donated apple computers to schools around the country. I went to high school in Arkansas...a grand while ago, and the computers we had were apple computers. You might be surprised how many schools are so equip. Karen On Wed, 23 Jun 2010, Michael Thurman wrote: every school system that I have ever had any dealings with uses macintosh computers in at least some of their labs and teaching. On Jun 23, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I don't mean to be harsh but, your local school system is the minority. It really has no baring on Bryan's original comment. On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:41 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: In regards to your academia comment, the public school system, my high school's library, as well as mobile labs many elementary schools around here, are Mac-based. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Bryan Smart bryansm...@bryansmart.com wrote: Microsoft tried to make a full screen reader over 10 years ago. Between the National Federation of the Blind, and the various screen reader companies, they were threatened with all sorts of vocally loud press for putting blind people out of work at the AT companies. MS decided that hot potato was more trouble than it was worth, and dropped the project. I guess Apple didn't get the same treatment since there was no screen reader company to put out of business, unless you count how Berkeley Systems got shafted, and most of the blindness orgs know that, while individuals might like Macs, business and academia will continue to insist on Windows machines for a long time to come. Macs are mostly irrelevant to them. Bryan On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Richie Gardenhire wrote: I have changed the subject line to more reflect on the discussion at hand. If Apple can set aside resources to make their Mac computers universally marketed across the board, there is no reason why Microsoftshouldn't, (and they definitely have the resources and the technical expertise throughout the company) to do so. And if it brings the prices down, and Microsoft does, for example, develop a mechanism by which Windows can be installed out of the box without sighted assistance, companies such as Freedom Scientific would then be forced to either go with the trend; otherwise, they would lose their economic dolars; after all, isn't that what competition for tax dollars and marketshare is all about? In my humble opinion, for what it's worth, the only reason Freedom Scientific survives in the market is because they have contracted with some state agencies and government entities, and we bare the brunt of the expense ineirectly. I paid less for my car than I have for braille displays costing $8000 to $12,000 dollars at a time. In Alaska, for example, the biggest majority of vision loss occurs in the elderly population and baby boomers who are about to reach retirement age. We have no school for the blind in Alaska; therefore, if parents want to send their blind kids off to a residential school, they would have to send them Stateside, which costs the state thousands of dollars which they could probably find other revenues to use elsewhere.There are a handful of us who are blind and visually-impaired Macusers, but that numberis increasing, as the word about VoiceOver gets out. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:21 PM, carlene knight wrote: I know that the companies take huge advantage of the fact that they have a guaranteed nitch and can charge whatever they want. That's why I will not upgrade my JAWS SMA. For one thing I don't need it and secondly, I don't want to pay that kind of price for an upgrade, but FS knows that they can get away with it because of a guaranteed market. I'm not saying things could not change, but simply stating that you can't get JAWS or a
Re: Economics and the Mac
the school system where my husband teaches here in Oregon uses all macs. I don't know if others do or not. Mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: amadeus question
Hi Chris, Yes, there is. If you record one track and want to play an instrument to the other track, just cue the first track and hit command option R then hit VO space on the button and it will begin recording. I demonstrate this in my Amadeus podcast since this is not intuitive. To check it out: http://gwenna.podbean.com Have a great day and best of luck with Amadeus. I just love it! Allison On Jun 23, 2010, at 9:20 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: Hi Allison, One other question. Have you heard of a way to record on that second track at the same time you're playing the first one? Friendly, Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: amadeus question
Allison, Thank you very much. This is awesome! I'm listening to your podcasts now. Thanks for these as well. Friendly, Chris On Jun 23, 2010, at 7:45 PM, Allison Manzino wrote: Hi Chris, Yes, there is. If you record one track and want to play an instrument to the other track, just cue the first track and hit command option R then hit VO space on the button and it will begin recording. I demonstrate this in my Amadeus podcast since this is not intuitive. To check it out: http://gwenna.podbean.com Have a great day and best of luck with Amadeus. I just love it! Allison On Jun 23, 2010, at 9:20 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: Hi Allison, One other question. Have you heard of a way to record on that second track at the same time you're playing the first one? Friendly, Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Webkit and Audible
I have been using it for the last day. It is like night and day here. Randy On Jun 23, 2010, at 9:58 PM, Mike Reiser wrote: I can confirm this here, is working well here as well. Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Webkit and Audible
www.webkit.org. Take care. On Jun 23, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Olivia Norman wrote: how do I get it? Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower, Steve Jobs On Jun 23, 2010, at 6:25 PM, David McLean wrote: Hello, I downloaded the latest version of webkit this evening and it seems so far to be working with Audible. Those of you like me who have had problems with Safari v5 might want to give it a try. So far so good! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: amadeus question
Sure. What I do is just hit cmd option r from the scrol area and it will create a new track. then I hit th ebutton tha tsays button an daway I go. S On Jun 23, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: Hi Allison, One other question. Have you heard of a way to record on that second track at the same time you're playing the first one? Friendly, Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
importing safari bookmarks into webkit
Can this be done? I just installed the latest webkit, and it has solved the Audible problem. I'd like to import my safari bookmarks into webkit; can that be done? Mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
