Re: Logic Pro
I just went to check out the avid euphonics control+transport combo, and honestly had to grit my teeth not to whip out my wallet and buy them straight away. Why didn't i jump in the great sound editing bandwagon? Simply because logic isn't accessible enough for me to enjoy the actual process of producing music right now. It's a huge ammount of energy spent tweaking UIs, comprehending a huge set of keyboard shortcuts after shortcuts in sequential order to find oneself within the minotaur's labyrinth where ariadne is heather infovox on my mac system. And it's no fun at all. So the moment logic x gets out the door, i really hope it has been redesigned from the ground up architecture-wise as apple has slowly been doing with most of it's applications anyway. Think of how in the industry, apple is the only software/hardware company which has relatively successfully transited from a PPC motorola architecture to an Intel one, and within these big leaps, apple also has the engineering capacity to keep adding more under the hood features such as grand central dispatch, sandboxing and other stuff most users just don't care about albeit it making a gradual, accrued impact on the entire experience for both end users and power users alike. The only thing is that behind that simplistic facade which apple markets to the mass, there is quite an interesting hidden world of complexity that allows us blind users for instance to achieve a lot from apparently very little. But for sound editing, i want it to be like playing a game, or an instrument. Not moving back to windows mea culpa whip my back to bleed style head f**ks. And so i keep increasing my ansillary skills until the day logic pops up and gives me my wings. On 4/01/2012, at 8:49 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: very simple reason. to make logic pro fully accessible means a total rewrite. that's the info given to me by one of my contacts at apple. it requires complete recoding from the base layer to include voiceover support to all windows and elements. take as an example the main arrange window... you have each channel strip which in itself has various components including additional components, drop down menus including automation layouts, etc, each button for mute, solo, arm record, etc. out of that, there's access to the tool palette and master control etc. then there's full mixer access. the mixer is a fully adapted mixer so changes depending on the behaviour of the project you want to use or the type of system you need.. you have various plugin windows, process management windows, etc. it's a full on programming restructure to give voiceover the support it needs. OK bear in mind that lion has a few tweaks in voiceover and the last update of logic has changed a few things, you have to bear in mind that each update may tweak objects and elements which can be seen by voiceover. intentional or not. that's the way programming is. Look at the length of time between versions of pro tools before we have accessibility. It's taken so long for digidesign (NOW AVID) to roll out pro tools 9 and 10 with voiceover integration and they've done a great job. OK it's taken a lot of work with various people who I am proud to say have changed the face of production for blind users. For apple to completely rework logic for blind users would mean a full new release built from the ground up. not just a few tweaks here and there. from another point, please note that other production systems are not accessible at all and never will be. Steinberg Cubase / sequel / nuendo. Bias Peak. Motu digital performer. These will never work with a screen reader environment like voiceover as to do the work means changing programming language, changing the way they use interface elements and then mastering voiceover access.. I do apologise for my tone in the last emails. this gets a bit of a touchy subject for me as I quit as a professional musician / recording artist because of these issues, after investing in equipment I spent time working with and trying to adapt to a suitable environment, being told by apple sales reps that logic studio 8 and 9 were accessible and down the line they weren't at all. the only way I managed to get some work done was turning logic into a master tape and using a digital production board as the front end. I hated every minute. I wasn't willing to go to windows and use sonar with jaws and some scripts. I could have gone completely analogue but finding a comfortable production console here is just not as easy as all new consoles are digital, touch screens, etc. I do however hope that apple developers do take the time to build logic as a complete system with voiceover integration. It's a bloomin decent system for sighted users and is a decently priced competitor to pro-tools. lew On 4 Jan 2012, at 02:08, Vic wrote: Hi Lew, I am not questioning
Re: Using control right and left arrows under fusion and windows 7
I see no F keys. May be some one might point me in the right direction? On 3 Jan 2012, at 02:38 PM, Søren Jensen s...@coolfortheblind.dk wrote: As I said, you have to uncheck all shortcut keys for Mission controls as well. It's not enough to just uncheck Mission control but also all its shortcut keys like the f keys etc. Is that what you've done? Best regards: Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ Den 03/01/2012 kl. 15.34 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu: Yes, they keys work on my Mac accept the mission control which comes on even though its unchecked in the preferences. On 3 Jan 2012, at 02:25 PM, Søren Jensen s...@coolfortheblind.dk wrote: Hi. I'm not sure on what you mean. So control and all arrow keys works for you in Fusion and all other applications on your Mac? Best regards: Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ Den 02/01/2012 kl. 22.14 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu: I haven't got the table when I go to keyboard shortcuts I just have Enable fusion shortcuts and the box is checked. Next to that I have include command tab exposay dashboard etc. and nothing else. Anyideas? Kawal. On 2 Jan 2012, at 14:13, Søren Jensen wrote: Hi. As someone said earlier, you have to do the following: 1: Go into system preferences on your mac 2: Go into keyboard 3: Choose the shortcut tab or whatever it's called 4: Choose mission control in the first table 5: Uncheck all shortcut keys in the other table and then it all works without any issues. Best regards: Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ Den 02/01/2012 kl. 00.49 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu: Well in windows I have the same problem. I can't arrow left or right with the control key if I am to move word by word and that's annoying. Kawal. On 1 Jan 2012, at 11:39 PM, Marlaina Lieberg 1guide...@gmail.com wrote: Kawal, I tried that and it did not work. I got to the from and to table, I checked first option then right arrow and in the to table, I checked control then right arrow. I did the same for the left arrow; then I closed all that out and when I went back into windows, my control left and right still did nothing. Marlaina On Dec 31, 2011, at 1:49 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: If you go into vmware preferences, keyboard and mouse, you can add your mapping there as long as you hit key mapping tab. It can be confusing but once its done, then you can access your mapping preferences through any virtual machine and you do not have to use sharpe keys. Kawal.On 31 Dec 2011, at 21:01, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Hmm, is there a way to remap keys using the mac to disable that? On Dec 31, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote: I haven't found a way around this either. The problem is that the Mac uses ctrl+right/left arrows to move between spaces in launchpad, and I don't think you can disable that. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Dec 31, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Hi there. I use Window-eyes and have tried turning vo off. I still cannot control arrow. I tried it with a windows kb and an apple kb, both USB connected; same problem. Thanks for your kind wishes! We are having surf and turf and bubbles tonight, smile. Marlaina On Dec 31, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Does this happen when voice over is running? Just that when I have windows running with voice over off, if I try to select words or lines using jaws, something crashes and I have to do alt tav twice to get speech back re jaws but nothing is selected or copied to the clip board. I do not know if its a bmware problem or windows problem or a jaws problem. Kawal. P.S. congratulations on your wedding anniversary. On 31 Dec 2011, at 07:52 PM, Marlaina Lieberg 1guide...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. I asked this question on another list and didn't get anyone who knew how to solve the problem, but heard from others having the problem. I am dual booting my mbp with windows 7 under vm fusion. All works well except for the use of control left and right or up and down arrows. What this means is I can't move by word, only by character. Has anyone else experienced this, and is there a resolution for the problem? Marlaina, who is celebrating her wedding anniversary today! The whole world celebrates my anniversary, Happy New Year to all! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message
Re: Logic Pro
just move to protools. you'll find it much better. the euphonix system isn't to my liking. I tried an earlier version out at the time of my studio fit up and hated it. I went with a tascam DM4800 suite expanded and it was OK until tascam launched a firmware upgrade the firmware upgrade messed up all settings making my work with the console a total mess. 3 days later, the desk went back to the supplier as I couldn't get the settings back to work the complete interface. not just MMC, the whole audio system. that's the problem about auto desks. the pro tools system is a great system, depending on what you need hardware wise, you could get away with an 003 factory + system with pro tools 10 and get into it. lew On 4 Jan 2012, at 08:51, Yuma Decaux wrote: I just went to check out the avid euphonics control+transport combo, and honestly had to grit my teeth not to whip out my wallet and buy them straight away. Why didn't i jump in the great sound editing bandwagon? Simply because logic isn't accessible enough for me to enjoy the actual process of producing music right now. It's a huge ammount of energy spent tweaking UIs, comprehending a huge set of keyboard shortcuts after shortcuts in sequential order to find oneself within the minotaur's labyrinth where ariadne is heather infovox on my mac system. And it's no fun at all. So the moment logic x gets out the door, i really hope it has been redesigned from the ground up architecture-wise as apple has slowly been doing with most of it's applications anyway. Think of how in the industry, apple is the only software/hardware company which has relatively successfully transited from a PPC motorola architecture to an Intel one, and within these big leaps, apple also has the engineering capacity to keep adding more under the hood features such as grand central dispatch, sandboxing and other stuff most users just don't care about albeit it making a gradual, accrued impact on the entire experience for both end users and power users alike. The only thing is that behind that simplistic facade which apple markets to the mass, there is quite an interesting hidden world of complexity that allows us blind users for instance to achieve a lot from apparently very little. But for sound editing, i want it to be like playing a game, or an instrument. Not moving back to windows mea culpa whip my back to bleed style head f**ks. And so i keep increasing my ansillary skills until the day logic pops up and gives me my wings. On 4/01/2012, at 8:49 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: very simple reason. to make logic pro fully accessible means a total rewrite. that's the info given to me by one of my contacts at apple. it requires complete recoding from the base layer to include voiceover support to all windows and elements. take as an example the main arrange window... you have each channel strip which in itself has various components including additional components, drop down menus including automation layouts, etc, each button for mute, solo, arm record, etc. out of that, there's access to the tool palette and master control etc. then there's full mixer access. the mixer is a fully adapted mixer so changes depending on the behaviour of the project you want to use or the type of system you need.. you have various plugin windows, process management windows, etc. it's a full on programming restructure to give voiceover the support it needs. OK bear in mind that lion has a few tweaks in voiceover and the last update of logic has changed a few things, you have to bear in mind that each update may tweak objects and elements which can be seen by voiceover. intentional or not. that's the way programming is. Look at the length of time between versions of pro tools before we have accessibility. It's taken so long for digidesign (NOW AVID) to roll out pro tools 9 and 10 with voiceover integration and they've done a great job. OK it's taken a lot of work with various people who I am proud to say have changed the face of production for blind users. For apple to completely rework logic for blind users would mean a full new release built from the ground up. not just a few tweaks here and there. from another point, please note that other production systems are not accessible at all and never will be. Steinberg Cubase / sequel / nuendo. Bias Peak. Motu digital performer. These will never work with a screen reader environment like voiceover as to do the work means changing programming language, changing the way they use interface elements and then mastering voiceover access.. I do apologise for my tone in the last emails. this gets a bit of a touchy subject for me as I quit as a professional musician / recording artist because of these issues, after investing in equipment I spent time working with and trying to adapt to a suitable environment, being told by apple
Re: cleaning my mac?
I use cleanmymac here. so far, it has managed to clean up a bit of a mess. I am not sure what it did, but voiceover hardly ever crashes on me anymore. I have also managed to use it in concert with another utility app to get rid of all those left over settings files that always get created when one installs (and then subsequently removes) applications. apptrap is that application. it is designed to create an installation catalog of what gets installed and subsequently created in the Library folder. this makes it easy to uninstall an application. I ran across a list of must have apps that one needs to keep your mac operating at peak performance. I really wish I had kept that around. I will dig it up again and post it to this thread. -eric On Jan 3, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Kliphton wrote: So what programs does everyone use to clean there macs? I heard of clean my mac, and cocktail, and CCleaner even has a beta version, but what are every ones recommendations? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Switching to a Mac from PC
Hi, all screen readers, on any machine slows things down. Its just the nature of the beast. As far as your mini goes, the lack of a monitor is definitely the cause of most of your sorrows. If you hooked up a monitor, I think you would get much better performance. If you don't want a monitor, a macbook air might have been a better fit for you than a mini. Its just a fact of life for the Mac Mini and voiceover users at this time. You need to have a monitor hooked up to have a stable experience. This has been the case for years now, and I don't see Apple doing anything about it anytime soon. I do think when you shared your experiences with your Mac earlier in the thread you should have specified you were using a Mac mini with no monitor. I think not doing so was a little miss leading. JMO. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Alex Hall wrote: I find it interesting that you specify that Macs are faster when a screen reader is not involved. Do you mean that you find vo slows things down, or just that screen readers make for inaccurate comparisons? I always figured the extreme sluggishness of my mini was due to its lack of a monitor... On 1/3/12, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: lol, I think your sighted friend is on drugs. :). I find the Mac to be just as fas and more often than not faster when doing tasks than windows when a screen reader is not involved. Man, You know how long it takes iTunes to open on windows sometimes? smh. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Chuck wrote: Thanks for the information. I do plan to use my PC and the Mac Mini in parallel until I get used to the Mac. I am familiar with voice over and zoom on the iPhone and iPad and I'm hoping that they translate as well to the Mac Mini. I have a sighted friend who also says that the Mac is a little more sluggish than the PC. I don't do any gaming, 90% of my computer uses buying online, word processing, and web development But having dealt with Zoom text for the last 15 years, I am totally frustrated with the program. I have to reboot it about five times every day in order to get the text smooting to work. And it no longer works with Internet Explorer nine. I'm sure that when they do finally fix it, they'll want another $150 for the update. Chuck On Jan 3, 6:22 pm, Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net wrote: Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get comfortable with any of the word processing options, and since I've been using a PC for close to 25 years, I'm always going to be more comfortable on a windows platform. One of my favorite activities, especially while I'm unemployed, is playing games, and while I'm thrilled that the RS games client works on the mac, there aren't any other options. I'm still hoping for a truly accessible mud client; if atlantis is accessible, I sure haven't figured out how to make it speak automatically. My other major task is writing/editing a story I've been working on for several years now. I just can't get comfortable working on my files using the mac, so just keep using good old wordpad on the PC. Since it cost me so much money, I have chosen to use the mac for things that either don't work or I don't want to mess with on my PC: adium, skype, itunes, and a couple of other similar things that I can't remember at the moment. I figure that the mac is a lot easier to fix if something goes wrong, and that's definitely something I'll give Apple credit for; you can install the operating system without any sighted assistance, and with carbon copy cloner and time machine, it's easy to restore your machine on the off chance that something catastrophic happens. Another thing that I really love about the mac is Growl. It essensially reads things that happen in the system tray: changes in dropbox files for example. That's 1 thing my PC can't do, or if it can, I don't know how to set it up, so the mac is really awesome in that respect. With all that being said, however, while I certainly like my mac a lot more than I did when I first bought it, to be perfectly honest, there's still a rather big part of me that regrets the purchase. I eventually hope to get bootcamp and/or VM fusion up and running, but so far, that just hasn't happened. I hope this makes at least a little sense and that it helps you in your decision. Sadly, I can't comment on the large print side of things, but I've become moderately comfortable with using Voiceover. Good luck in whatever decision you make, and I hope this helps you out at least a little. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Re: cleaning my mac?
Ah, so, this would make it possible to truly remove Fan Control under Lion? I actually had to restore my system back to the time before Fan Control was installed under Lion to get back my original Fan perfomrance. That's because some files were not in the places they had been with Fan Control running under SL. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Jan 4, 2012, at 6:24 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: I use cleanmymac here. so far, it has managed to clean up a bit of a mess. I am not sure what it did, but voiceover hardly ever crashes on me anymore. I have also managed to use it in concert with another utility app to get rid of all those left over settings files that always get created when one installs (and then subsequently removes) applications. apptrap is that application. it is designed to create an installation catalog of what gets installed and subsequently created in the Library folder. this makes it easy to uninstall an application. I ran across a list of must have apps that one needs to keep your mac operating at peak performance. I really wish I had kept that around. I will dig it up again and post it to this thread. -eric On Jan 3, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Kliphton wrote: So what programs does everyone use to clean there macs? I heard of clean my mac, and cocktail, and CCleaner even has a beta version, but what are every ones recommendations? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Switching to a Mac from PC
Hi, I think there is always trade offs in situations like this. Its more a question of what do you do on your computer, and can the Mac do them. Another thing to consider is money. Although you are paying more up front for a Mac compared to a similar windows PC, if using a payed screen reader or magnification program, you will save in the long term. Thats the Mac advantage of having voiceover and zoom baked into the OS. There is definitely a learning curve when switching to a Mac. If you come across a voiceover user who tells you otherwise, I won't say they are lying but, I will see they are in the minority. lol. If you live near an Apple store, I suggest actually playing with a Mac. Just to get a feel for it. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 7:05 PM, Chuck wrote: Hello everyone, I'm seriously considering switching to a Mac Mini from PC. I intend to use both the zoom and voice over programs. I am currently using a PC with Windows 7 and zoom text as my magnification and reading software. I would like to hear from those of you who have made the switch. What pitfalls should I look for? Are there any trade-offs? In your opinion after making the switch which is the better system? Why? Thanks. Chuck -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Switching to a Mac from PC
After some discussion betwen myself and a few other engineers in the apple realm, the issue regarding the use of the monitor isn't just a voiceover issue. it is the same for the entire system. Whether you're a PC or mac user, the system at start has to detect a working display, keyboard and mouse to continue running. in the case of the mac mini, at boot, the logic board and firmware check the display ports for a display, if it doesn't find one, it will continue but cause issues throughout the OS as it can't determine resolution settings for the OS to display what it needs, etc hence voiceover behaviour. to do this, first off apple will need to write a new firmware revision to support this option, then fine tune support in voiceover to support this. until then, the best option is a cheap flat panel LCD monitor with a DVI or mini display port to DVI or VGA config. lew On 4 Jan 2012, at 14:10, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, all screen readers, on any machine slows things down. Its just the nature of the beast. As far as your mini goes, the lack of a monitor is definitely the cause of most of your sorrows. If you hooked up a monitor, I think you would get much better performance. If you don't want a monitor, a macbook air might have been a better fit for you than a mini. Its just a fact of life for the Mac Mini and voiceover users at this time. You need to have a monitor hooked up to have a stable experience. This has been the case for years now, and I don't see Apple doing anything about it anytime soon. I do think when you shared your experiences with your Mac earlier in the thread you should have specified you were using a Mac mini with no monitor. I think not doing so was a little miss leading. JMO. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Alex Hall wrote: I find it interesting that you specify that Macs are faster when a screen reader is not involved. Do you mean that you find vo slows things down, or just that screen readers make for inaccurate comparisons? I always figured the extreme sluggishness of my mini was due to its lack of a monitor... On 1/3/12, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: lol, I think your sighted friend is on drugs. :). I find the Mac to be just as fas and more often than not faster when doing tasks than windows when a screen reader is not involved. Man, You know how long it takes iTunes to open on windows sometimes? smh. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Chuck wrote: Thanks for the information. I do plan to use my PC and the Mac Mini in parallel until I get used to the Mac. I am familiar with voice over and zoom on the iPhone and iPad and I'm hoping that they translate as well to the Mac Mini. I have a sighted friend who also says that the Mac is a little more sluggish than the PC. I don't do any gaming, 90% of my computer uses buying online, word processing, and web development But having dealt with Zoom text for the last 15 years, I am totally frustrated with the program. I have to reboot it about five times every day in order to get the text smooting to work. And it no longer works with Internet Explorer nine. I'm sure that when they do finally fix it, they'll want another $150 for the update. Chuck On Jan 3, 6:22 pm, Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net wrote: Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get comfortable with any of the word processing options, and since I've been using a PC for close to 25 years, I'm always going to be more comfortable on a windows platform. One of my favorite activities, especially while I'm unemployed, is playing games, and while I'm thrilled that the RS games client works on the mac, there aren't any other options. I'm still hoping for a truly accessible mud client; if atlantis is accessible, I sure haven't figured out how to make it speak automatically. My other major task is writing/editing a story I've been working on for several years now. I just can't get comfortable working on my files using the mac, so just keep using good old wordpad on the PC. Since it cost me so much money, I have chosen to use the mac for things that either don't work or I don't want to mess with on my PC: adium, skype, itunes, and a couple of other similar things that I can't remember at the moment. I figure that the mac is a lot easier to fix if something goes wrong, and that's definitely something I'll give Apple credit for; you can install the operating system without any sighted assistance, and with carbon copy cloner and time machine, it's easy to restore your machine on the off chance that something catastrophic happens. Another thing
Re: Switching to a Mac from PC
Hi. I too have a Mac Mini. I found that plugging in the DVI adapter that came with it for some reason fixed the performance issues. Maybe give that a try and let us know if that helps a bit. On 2012-01-04, at 9:10 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, all screen readers, on any machine slows things down. Its just the nature of the beast. As far as your mini goes, the lack of a monitor is definitely the cause of most of your sorrows. If you hooked up a monitor, I think you would get much better performance. If you don't want a monitor, a macbook air might have been a better fit for you than a mini. Its just a fact of life for the Mac Mini and voiceover users at this time. You need to have a monitor hooked up to have a stable experience. This has been the case for years now, and I don't see Apple doing anything about it anytime soon. I do think when you shared your experiences with your Mac earlier in the thread you should have specified you were using a Mac mini with no monitor. I think not doing so was a little miss leading. JMO. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Alex Hall wrote: I find it interesting that you specify that Macs are faster when a screen reader is not involved. Do you mean that you find vo slows things down, or just that screen readers make for inaccurate comparisons? I always figured the extreme sluggishness of my mini was due to its lack of a monitor... On 1/3/12, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: lol, I think your sighted friend is on drugs. :). I find the Mac to be just as fas and more often than not faster when doing tasks than windows when a screen reader is not involved. Man, You know how long it takes iTunes to open on windows sometimes? smh. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Chuck wrote: Thanks for the information. I do plan to use my PC and the Mac Mini in parallel until I get used to the Mac. I am familiar with voice over and zoom on the iPhone and iPad and I'm hoping that they translate as well to the Mac Mini. I have a sighted friend who also says that the Mac is a little more sluggish than the PC. I don't do any gaming, 90% of my computer uses buying online, word processing, and web development But having dealt with Zoom text for the last 15 years, I am totally frustrated with the program. I have to reboot it about five times every day in order to get the text smooting to work. And it no longer works with Internet Explorer nine. I'm sure that when they do finally fix it, they'll want another $150 for the update. Chuck On Jan 3, 6:22 pm, Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net wrote: Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get comfortable with any of the word processing options, and since I've been using a PC for close to 25 years, I'm always going to be more comfortable on a windows platform. One of my favorite activities, especially while I'm unemployed, is playing games, and while I'm thrilled that the RS games client works on the mac, there aren't any other options. I'm still hoping for a truly accessible mud client; if atlantis is accessible, I sure haven't figured out how to make it speak automatically. My other major task is writing/editing a story I've been working on for several years now. I just can't get comfortable working on my files using the mac, so just keep using good old wordpad on the PC. Since it cost me so much money, I have chosen to use the mac for things that either don't work or I don't want to mess with on my PC: adium, skype, itunes, and a couple of other similar things that I can't remember at the moment. I figure that the mac is a lot easier to fix if something goes wrong, and that's definitely something I'll give Apple credit for; you can install the operating system without any sighted assistance, and with carbon copy cloner and time machine, it's easy to restore your machine on the off chance that something catastrophic happens. Another thing that I really love about the mac is Growl. It essensially reads things that happen in the system tray: changes in dropbox files for example. That's 1 thing my PC can't do, or if it can, I don't know how to set it up, so the mac is really awesome in that respect. With all that being said, however, while I certainly like my mac a lot more than I did when I first bought it, to be perfectly honest, there's still a rather big part of me that regrets the purchase. I eventually hope to get bootcamp and/or VM fusion up and running, but so far, that just hasn't happened. I hope this makes at least a little sense and that it helps you in your decision. Sadly, I can't comment on the large
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Hi. You'll find these shortcut keys the same place as the other shortcut keys for Mission control in System preferences under Keyboard. Best regards: Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ Den 04/01/2012 kl. 09.57 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu: I see no F keys. May be some one might point me in the right direction? On 3 Jan 2012, at 02:38 PM, Søren Jensen s...@coolfortheblind.dk wrote: As I said, you have to uncheck all shortcut keys for Mission controls as well. It's not enough to just uncheck Mission control but also all its shortcut keys like the f keys etc. Is that what you've done? Best regards: Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ Den 03/01/2012 kl. 15.34 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu: Yes, they keys work on my Mac accept the mission control which comes on even though its unchecked in the preferences. On 3 Jan 2012, at 02:25 PM, Søren Jensen s...@coolfortheblind.dk wrote: Hi. I'm not sure on what you mean. So control and all arrow keys works for you in Fusion and all other applications on your Mac? Best regards: Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ Den 02/01/2012 kl. 22.14 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu: I haven't got the table when I go to keyboard shortcuts I just have Enable fusion shortcuts and the box is checked. Next to that I have include command tab exposay dashboard etc. and nothing else. Anyideas? Kawal. On 2 Jan 2012, at 14:13, Søren Jensen wrote: Hi. As someone said earlier, you have to do the following: 1: Go into system preferences on your mac 2: Go into keyboard 3: Choose the shortcut tab or whatever it's called 4: Choose mission control in the first table 5: Uncheck all shortcut keys in the other table and then it all works without any issues. Best regards: Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ Den 02/01/2012 kl. 00.49 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu: Well in windows I have the same problem. I can't arrow left or right with the control key if I am to move word by word and that's annoying. Kawal. On 1 Jan 2012, at 11:39 PM, Marlaina Lieberg 1guide...@gmail.com wrote: Kawal, I tried that and it did not work. I got to the from and to table, I checked first option then right arrow and in the to table, I checked control then right arrow. I did the same for the left arrow; then I closed all that out and when I went back into windows, my control left and right still did nothing. Marlaina On Dec 31, 2011, at 1:49 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: If you go into vmware preferences, keyboard and mouse, you can add your mapping there as long as you hit key mapping tab. It can be confusing but once its done, then you can access your mapping preferences through any virtual machine and you do not have to use sharpe keys. Kawal.On 31 Dec 2011, at 21:01, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Hmm, is there a way to remap keys using the mac to disable that? On Dec 31, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote: I haven't found a way around this either. The problem is that the Mac uses ctrl+right/left arrows to move between spaces in launchpad, and I don't think you can disable that. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Dec 31, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Hi there. I use Window-eyes and have tried turning vo off. I still cannot control arrow. I tried it with a windows kb and an apple kb, both USB connected; same problem. Thanks for your kind wishes! We are having surf and turf and bubbles tonight, smile. Marlaina On Dec 31, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Does this happen when voice over is running? Just that when I have windows running with voice over off, if I try to select words or lines using jaws, something crashes and I have to do alt tav twice to get speech back re jaws but nothing is selected or copied to the clip board. I do not know if its a bmware problem or windows problem or a jaws problem. Kawal. P.S. congratulations on your wedding anniversary. On 31 Dec 2011, at 07:52 PM, Marlaina Lieberg 1guide...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. I asked this question on another list and didn't get anyone who knew how to solve the problem, but heard from others having the problem. I am dual booting my mbp with windows 7 under vm fusion. All works well except for the use of control left and right or up and down arrows. What this means is I can't move by word, only by character. Has anyone else experienced this, and is there a resolution for the problem? Marlaina, who is celebrating her wedding anniversary today! The whole world celebrates my anniversary, Happy New Year to all! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries
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Hi, That makes no sense to me. How could this apply to all machines when, my 2008 Mac mini worked just fine without a monitor and every PC I've ever used? Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 9:24 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: After some discussion betwen myself and a few other engineers in the apple realm, the issue regarding the use of the monitor isn't just a voiceover issue. it is the same for the entire system. Whether you're a PC or mac user, the system at start has to detect a working display, keyboard and mouse to continue running. in the case of the mac mini, at boot, the logic board and firmware check the display ports for a display, if it doesn't find one, it will continue but cause issues throughout the OS as it can't determine resolution settings for the OS to display what it needs, etc hence voiceover behaviour. to do this, first off apple will need to write a new firmware revision to support this option, then fine tune support in voiceover to support this. until then, the best option is a cheap flat panel LCD monitor with a DVI or mini display port to DVI or VGA config. lew On 4 Jan 2012, at 14:10, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, all screen readers, on any machine slows things down. Its just the nature of the beast. As far as your mini goes, the lack of a monitor is definitely the cause of most of your sorrows. If you hooked up a monitor, I think you would get much better performance. If you don't want a monitor, a macbook air might have been a better fit for you than a mini. Its just a fact of life for the Mac Mini and voiceover users at this time. You need to have a monitor hooked up to have a stable experience. This has been the case for years now, and I don't see Apple doing anything about it anytime soon. I do think when you shared your experiences with your Mac earlier in the thread you should have specified you were using a Mac mini with no monitor. I think not doing so was a little miss leading. JMO. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Alex Hall wrote: I find it interesting that you specify that Macs are faster when a screen reader is not involved. Do you mean that you find vo slows things down, or just that screen readers make for inaccurate comparisons? I always figured the extreme sluggishness of my mini was due to its lack of a monitor... On 1/3/12, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: lol, I think your sighted friend is on drugs. :). I find the Mac to be just as fas and more often than not faster when doing tasks than windows when a screen reader is not involved. Man, You know how long it takes iTunes to open on windows sometimes? smh. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Chuck wrote: Thanks for the information. I do plan to use my PC and the Mac Mini in parallel until I get used to the Mac. I am familiar with voice over and zoom on the iPhone and iPad and I'm hoping that they translate as well to the Mac Mini. I have a sighted friend who also says that the Mac is a little more sluggish than the PC. I don't do any gaming, 90% of my computer uses buying online, word processing, and web development But having dealt with Zoom text for the last 15 years, I am totally frustrated with the program. I have to reboot it about five times every day in order to get the text smooting to work. And it no longer works with Internet Explorer nine. I'm sure that when they do finally fix it, they'll want another $150 for the update. Chuck On Jan 3, 6:22 pm, Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net wrote: Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get comfortable with any of the word processing options, and since I've been using a PC for close to 25 years, I'm always going to be more comfortable on a windows platform. One of my favorite activities, especially while I'm unemployed, is playing games, and while I'm thrilled that the RS games client works on the mac, there aren't any other options. I'm still hoping for a truly accessible mud client; if atlantis is accessible, I sure haven't figured out how to make it speak automatically. My other major task is writing/editing a story I've been working on for several years now. I just can't get comfortable working on my files using the mac, so just keep using good old wordpad on the PC. Since it cost me so much money, I have chosen to use the mac for things that either don't work or I don't want to mess with on my PC: adium, skype, itunes, and a couple of other similar things that I can't remember at the moment. I figure that the mac is a lot easier
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Yes, I should have specified, and I apologize to the list for any confusion. From past discussions, though, I gathered that a monitor *may* fix *some* applications being sluggish, such as mail, but not the overall slowdowns I see when doing anything at all. For instance, I have key echo off because vo is too slow to echo the characters I type as I type them, yet jaws or nvda can do this just fine. For that reason, I also disagree that screen readers in general slow down a machine. So far, the mac is the only machine I have seen where using a screen reader causes lag in even tabbing or arrowing. On 1/4/12, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all screen readers, on any machine slows things down. Its just the nature of the beast. As far as your mini goes, the lack of a monitor is definitely the cause of most of your sorrows. If you hooked up a monitor, I think you would get much better performance. If you don't want a monitor, a macbook air might have been a better fit for you than a mini. Its just a fact of life for the Mac Mini and voiceover users at this time. You need to have a monitor hooked up to have a stable experience. This has been the case for years now, and I don't see Apple doing anything about it anytime soon. I do think when you shared your experiences with your Mac earlier in the thread you should have specified you were using a Mac mini with no monitor. I think not doing so was a little miss leading. JMO. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Alex Hall wrote: I find it interesting that you specify that Macs are faster when a screen reader is not involved. Do you mean that you find vo slows things down, or just that screen readers make for inaccurate comparisons? I always figured the extreme sluggishness of my mini was due to its lack of a monitor... On 1/3/12, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: lol, I think your sighted friend is on drugs. :). I find the Mac to be just as fas and more often than not faster when doing tasks than windows when a screen reader is not involved. Man, You know how long it takes iTunes to open on windows sometimes? smh. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Chuck wrote: Thanks for the information. I do plan to use my PC and the Mac Mini in parallel until I get used to the Mac. I am familiar with voice over and zoom on the iPhone and iPad and I'm hoping that they translate as well to the Mac Mini. I have a sighted friend who also says that the Mac is a little more sluggish than the PC. I don't do any gaming, 90% of my computer uses buying online, word processing, and web development But having dealt with Zoom text for the last 15 years, I am totally frustrated with the program. I have to reboot it about five times every day in order to get the text smooting to work. And it no longer works with Internet Explorer nine. I'm sure that when they do finally fix it, they'll want another $150 for the update. Chuck On Jan 3, 6:22 pm, Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net wrote: Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get comfortable with any of the word processing options, and since I've been using a PC for close to 25 years, I'm always going to be more comfortable on a windows platform. One of my favorite activities, especially while I'm unemployed, is playing games, and while I'm thrilled that the RS games client works on the mac, there aren't any other options. I'm still hoping for a truly accessible mud client; if atlantis is accessible, I sure haven't figured out how to make it speak automatically. My other major task is writing/editing a story I've been working on for several years now. I just can't get comfortable working on my files using the mac, so just keep using good old wordpad on the PC. Since it cost me so much money, I have chosen to use the mac for things that either don't work or I don't want to mess with on my PC: adium, skype, itunes, and a couple of other similar things that I can't remember at the moment. I figure that the mac is a lot easier to fix if something goes wrong, and that's definitely something I'll give Apple credit for; you can install the operating system without any sighted assistance, and with carbon copy cloner and time machine, it's easy to restore your machine on the off chance that something catastrophic happens. Another thing that I really love about the mac is Growl. It essensially reads things that happen in the system tray: changes in dropbox files for example. That's 1 thing my PC can't do, or if it can, I don't know how to set it up, so the mac is really awesome in that respect. With all that being said, however,
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As has been posted in the past, some older minis could be tricked into thinking there was a monitor just by plugging in the DVI to VGA adapter cable. Newer minis are now 'smarter' and won't be fooled by this. Since the whole OS/hardware architecture assumes there will always be a display hooked up, the lack of one causes stuff to fail or turn to sludge in weird and seemingly random ways. To get things working normally you must connect either a real display or use the hackery I previously posted with a VGA to NTSC converter box added to the chain. The converter box makes the mini think there is a display but is usually cheaper/smaller than a real screen. CB On 1/4/12 9:53 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, That makes no sense to me. How could this apply to all machines when, my 2008 Mac mini worked just fine without a monitor and every PC I've ever used? Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 9:24 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: After some discussion betwen myself and a few other engineers in the apple realm, the issue regarding the use of the monitor isn't just a voiceover issue. it is the same for the entire system. Whether you're a PC or mac user, the system at start has to detect a working display, keyboard and mouse to continue running. in the case of the mac mini, at boot, the logic board and firmware check the display ports for a display, if it doesn't find one, it will continue but cause issues throughout the OS as it can't determine resolution settings for the OS to display what it needs, etc hence voiceover behaviour. to do this, first off apple will need to write a new firmware revision to support this option, then fine tune support in voiceover to support this. until then, the best option is a cheap flat panel LCD monitor with a DVI or mini display port to DVI or VGA config. lew On 4 Jan 2012, at 14:10, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, all screen readers, on any machine slows things down. Its just the nature of the beast. As far as your mini goes, the lack of a monitor is definitely the cause of most of your sorrows. If you hooked up a monitor, I think you would get much better performance. If you don't want a monitor, a macbook air might have been a better fit for you than a mini. Its just a fact of life for the Mac Mini and voiceover users at this time. You need to have a monitor hooked up to have a stable experience. This has been the case for years now, and I don't see Apple doing anything about it anytime soon. I do think when you shared your experiences with your Mac earlier in the thread you should have specified you were using a Mac mini with no monitor. I think not doing so was a little miss leading. JMO. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Alex Hall wrote: I find it interesting that you specify that Macs are faster when a screen reader is not involved. Do you mean that you find vo slows things down, or just that screen readers make for inaccurate comparisons? I always figured the extreme sluggishness of my mini was due to its lack of a monitor... On 1/3/12, Ricardo Walkerrwalker...@gmail.com wrote: lol, I think your sighted friend is on drugs. :). I find the Mac to be just as fas and more often than not faster when doing tasks than windows when a screen reader is not involved. Man, You know how long it takes iTunes to open on windows sometimes? smh. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Chuck wrote: Thanks for the information. I do plan to use my PC and the Mac Mini in parallel until I get used to the Mac. I am familiar with voice over and zoom on the iPhone and iPad and I'm hoping that they translate as well to the Mac Mini. I have a sighted friend who also says that the Mac is a little more sluggish than the PC. I don't do any gaming, 90% of my computer uses buying online, word processing, and web development But having dealt with Zoom text for the last 15 years, I am totally frustrated with the program. I have to reboot it about five times every day in order to get the text smooting to work. And it no longer works with Internet Explorer nine. I'm sure that when they do finally fix it, they'll want another $150 for the update. Chuck On Jan 3, 6:22 pm, Missy Hoppemelis...@fuse.net wrote: Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get comfortable with any of the word processing options, and since I've been using a PC for close to 25 years, I'm always going to be more comfortable on a windows platform. One of my favorite activities, especially while I'm unemployed, is playing games, and while I'm thrilled that the RS games client works on the mac, there aren't any
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I didn't have to trick my 2008 mini at all. I had nothing plugged in. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: As has been posted in the past, some older minis could be tricked into thinking there was a monitor just by plugging in the DVI to VGA adapter cable. Newer minis are now 'smarter' and won't be fooled by this. Since the whole OS/hardware architecture assumes there will always be a display hooked up, the lack of one causes stuff to fail or turn to sludge in weird and seemingly random ways. To get things working normally you must connect either a real display or use the hackery I previously posted with a VGA to NTSC converter box added to the chain. The converter box makes the mini think there is a display but is usually cheaper/smaller than a real screen. CB On 1/4/12 9:53 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, That makes no sense to me. How could this apply to all machines when, my 2008 Mac mini worked just fine without a monitor and every PC I've ever used? Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 9:24 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: After some discussion betwen myself and a few other engineers in the apple realm, the issue regarding the use of the monitor isn't just a voiceover issue. it is the same for the entire system. Whether you're a PC or mac user, the system at start has to detect a working display, keyboard and mouse to continue running. in the case of the mac mini, at boot, the logic board and firmware check the display ports for a display, if it doesn't find one, it will continue but cause issues throughout the OS as it can't determine resolution settings for the OS to display what it needs, etc hence voiceover behaviour. to do this, first off apple will need to write a new firmware revision to support this option, then fine tune support in voiceover to support this. until then, the best option is a cheap flat panel LCD monitor with a DVI or mini display port to DVI or VGA config. lew On 4 Jan 2012, at 14:10, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, all screen readers, on any machine slows things down. Its just the nature of the beast. As far as your mini goes, the lack of a monitor is definitely the cause of most of your sorrows. If you hooked up a monitor, I think you would get much better performance. If you don't want a monitor, a macbook air might have been a better fit for you than a mini. Its just a fact of life for the Mac Mini and voiceover users at this time. You need to have a monitor hooked up to have a stable experience. This has been the case for years now, and I don't see Apple doing anything about it anytime soon. I do think when you shared your experiences with your Mac earlier in the thread you should have specified you were using a Mac mini with no monitor. I think not doing so was a little miss leading. JMO. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Alex Hall wrote: I find it interesting that you specify that Macs are faster when a screen reader is not involved. Do you mean that you find vo slows things down, or just that screen readers make for inaccurate comparisons? I always figured the extreme sluggishness of my mini was due to its lack of a monitor... On 1/3/12, Ricardo Walkerrwalker...@gmail.com wrote: lol, I think your sighted friend is on drugs. :). I find the Mac to be just as fas and more often than not faster when doing tasks than windows when a screen reader is not involved. Man, You know how long it takes iTunes to open on windows sometimes? smh. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Chuck wrote: Thanks for the information. I do plan to use my PC and the Mac Mini in parallel until I get used to the Mac. I am familiar with voice over and zoom on the iPhone and iPad and I'm hoping that they translate as well to the Mac Mini. I have a sighted friend who also says that the Mac is a little more sluggish than the PC. I don't do any gaming, 90% of my computer uses buying online, word processing, and web development But having dealt with Zoom text for the last 15 years, I am totally frustrated with the program. I have to reboot it about five times every day in order to get the text smooting to work. And it no longer works with Internet Explorer nine. I'm sure that when they do finally fix it, they'll want another $150 for the update. Chuck On Jan 3, 6:22 pm, Missy Hoppemelis...@fuse.net wrote: Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get comfortable with any of the
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Unfortunately for me, I had to trick my 2010 Mini server in to thinking there was a monitor plugged in. This was easy though because [as stated previously], I just plugged in the DVI adapter and all of the slugishness BS went away just like that. On 2012-01-04, at 10:28 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: I didn't have to trick my 2008 mini at all. I had nothing plugged in. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: As has been posted in the past, some older minis could be tricked into thinking there was a monitor just by plugging in the DVI to VGA adapter cable. Newer minis are now 'smarter' and won't be fooled by this. Since the whole OS/hardware architecture assumes there will always be a display hooked up, the lack of one causes stuff to fail or turn to sludge in weird and seemingly random ways. To get things working normally you must connect either a real display or use the hackery I previously posted with a VGA to NTSC converter box added to the chain. The converter box makes the mini think there is a display but is usually cheaper/smaller than a real screen. CB On 1/4/12 9:53 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, That makes no sense to me. How could this apply to all machines when, my 2008 Mac mini worked just fine without a monitor and every PC I've ever used? Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 9:24 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: After some discussion betwen myself and a few other engineers in the apple realm, the issue regarding the use of the monitor isn't just a voiceover issue. it is the same for the entire system. Whether you're a PC or mac user, the system at start has to detect a working display, keyboard and mouse to continue running. in the case of the mac mini, at boot, the logic board and firmware check the display ports for a display, if it doesn't find one, it will continue but cause issues throughout the OS as it can't determine resolution settings for the OS to display what it needs, etc hence voiceover behaviour. to do this, first off apple will need to write a new firmware revision to support this option, then fine tune support in voiceover to support this. until then, the best option is a cheap flat panel LCD monitor with a DVI or mini display port to DVI or VGA config. lew On 4 Jan 2012, at 14:10, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, all screen readers, on any machine slows things down. Its just the nature of the beast. As far as your mini goes, the lack of a monitor is definitely the cause of most of your sorrows. If you hooked up a monitor, I think you would get much better performance. If you don't want a monitor, a macbook air might have been a better fit for you than a mini. Its just a fact of life for the Mac Mini and voiceover users at this time. You need to have a monitor hooked up to have a stable experience. This has been the case for years now, and I don't see Apple doing anything about it anytime soon. I do think when you shared your experiences with your Mac earlier in the thread you should have specified you were using a Mac mini with no monitor. I think not doing so was a little miss leading. JMO. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Alex Hall wrote: I find it interesting that you specify that Macs are faster when a screen reader is not involved. Do you mean that you find vo slows things down, or just that screen readers make for inaccurate comparisons? I always figured the extreme sluggishness of my mini was due to its lack of a monitor... On 1/3/12, Ricardo Walkerrwalker...@gmail.com wrote: lol, I think your sighted friend is on drugs. :). I find the Mac to be just as fas and more often than not faster when doing tasks than windows when a screen reader is not involved. Man, You know how long it takes iTunes to open on windows sometimes? smh. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Chuck wrote: Thanks for the information. I do plan to use my PC and the Mac Mini in parallel until I get used to the Mac. I am familiar with voice over and zoom on the iPhone and iPad and I'm hoping that they translate as well to the Mac Mini. I have a sighted friend who also says that the Mac is a little more sluggish than the PC. I don't do any gaming, 90% of my computer uses buying online, word processing, and web development But having dealt with Zoom text for the last 15 years, I am totally frustrated with the program. I have to reboot it about five times every day in order to get the text smooting to work. And it no longer works with Internet Explorer nine. I'm sure that when they do finally fix it, they'll want another
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well, it is a lot easier for some things. there is also built-in help and some tutorials. sure there is a learning curve (there is with almost everything) but at least, apple did something right with voiceover. it actually has a standard API and dev tools. I don't see this in windows at all. JAWS uses the video intercept trick to determine if there are boxes or windows and which ones have text. that method is rather proprietary and buggy. I can tell I am not going to like going back to windows. I don't see a lot of choices if I am ever to become employed. it doesn't hurt to know linux and apple OS X while I am at it. this way, they can't just disqualify because of my computer knowledge. -eric On Jan 4, 2012, at 7:19 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I think there is always trade offs in situations like this. Its more a question of what do you do on your computer, and can the Mac do them. Another thing to consider is money. Although you are paying more up front for a Mac compared to a similar windows PC, if using a payed screen reader or magnification program, you will save in the long term. Thats the Mac advantage of having voiceover and zoom baked into the OS. There is definitely a learning curve when switching to a Mac. If you come across a voiceover user who tells you otherwise, I won't say they are lying but, I will see they are in the minority. lol. If you live near an Apple store, I suggest actually playing with a Mac. Just to get a feel for it. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 7:05 PM, Chuck wrote: Hello everyone, I'm seriously considering switching to a Mac Mini from PC. I intend to use both the zoom and voice over programs. I am currently using a PC with Windows 7 and zoom text as my magnification and reading software. I would like to hear from those of you who have made the switch. What pitfalls should I look for? Are there any trade-offs? In your opinion after making the switch which is the better system? Why? Thanks. Chuck -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Hi, I fail to see how voiceover not keeping up with the speed of your typing indicates voiceover making your Mac sluggish. After all, the letters are coming out just as fast as your pressing them. Its the speech thats lagging behind. This is no different than on windows when you open an application, and the app is on the screen for 2 or 3 seconds before Jaws says a peep. Saying the screen reader slows down the screen reader, which is kinda what you said, is a pretty circular argument, no? What I was referring to was the screen reader draining so much of the computers resources, that performing tasks liking opening applications, playing media, etc becomes effected. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Alex Hall wrote: Yes, I should have specified, and I apologize to the list for any confusion. From past discussions, though, I gathered that a monitor *may* fix *some* applications being sluggish, such as mail, but not the overall slowdowns I see when doing anything at all. For instance, I have key echo off because vo is too slow to echo the characters I type as I type them, yet jaws or nvda can do this just fine. For that reason, I also disagree that screen readers in general slow down a machine. So far, the mac is the only machine I have seen where using a screen reader causes lag in even tabbing or arrowing. On 1/4/12, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all screen readers, on any machine slows things down. Its just the nature of the beast. As far as your mini goes, the lack of a monitor is definitely the cause of most of your sorrows. If you hooked up a monitor, I think you would get much better performance. If you don't want a monitor, a macbook air might have been a better fit for you than a mini. Its just a fact of life for the Mac Mini and voiceover users at this time. You need to have a monitor hooked up to have a stable experience. This has been the case for years now, and I don't see Apple doing anything about it anytime soon. I do think when you shared your experiences with your Mac earlier in the thread you should have specified you were using a Mac mini with no monitor. I think not doing so was a little miss leading. JMO. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Alex Hall wrote: I find it interesting that you specify that Macs are faster when a screen reader is not involved. Do you mean that you find vo slows things down, or just that screen readers make for inaccurate comparisons? I always figured the extreme sluggishness of my mini was due to its lack of a monitor... On 1/3/12, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: lol, I think your sighted friend is on drugs. :). I find the Mac to be just as fas and more often than not faster when doing tasks than windows when a screen reader is not involved. Man, You know how long it takes iTunes to open on windows sometimes? smh. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Chuck wrote: Thanks for the information. I do plan to use my PC and the Mac Mini in parallel until I get used to the Mac. I am familiar with voice over and zoom on the iPhone and iPad and I'm hoping that they translate as well to the Mac Mini. I have a sighted friend who also says that the Mac is a little more sluggish than the PC. I don't do any gaming, 90% of my computer uses buying online, word processing, and web development But having dealt with Zoom text for the last 15 years, I am totally frustrated with the program. I have to reboot it about five times every day in order to get the text smooting to work. And it no longer works with Internet Explorer nine. I'm sure that when they do finally fix it, they'll want another $150 for the update. Chuck On Jan 3, 6:22 pm, Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net wrote: Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get comfortable with any of the word processing options, and since I've been using a PC for close to 25 years, I'm always going to be more comfortable on a windows platform. One of my favorite activities, especially while I'm unemployed, is playing games, and while I'm thrilled that the RS games client works on the mac, there aren't any other options. I'm still hoping for a truly accessible mud client; if atlantis is accessible, I sure haven't figured out how to make it speak automatically. My other major task is writing/editing a story I've been working on for several years now. I just can't get comfortable working on my files using the mac, so just keep using good old wordpad on the PC. Since it cost me so much money, I have chosen
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Well, vo is the only screen reader that has failed to keep up with my typing, and it is just as slow speaking letters as it is moving around a webpage or arrowing around mail. Yes, a monitor would likely help, but I don't have $120 to spend on a monitor when I already spent $600 on the Mini itself just to get a screen reader to speed up. If the adapter that aame with my Mini would connect to the dvi to vga adapter I have, and so would work with the older vga monitor I am trying to use, I may have a different experience, but I doubt it will help the speed of speech as it reacts to my typing or tabbing. Looking back, an Air would have been a much better choice, but I didn't realize that until after the return period was up, plus I didn't have the extra $400. On 1/4/12, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I fail to see how voiceover not keeping up with the speed of your typing indicates voiceover making your Mac sluggish. After all, the letters are coming out just as fast as your pressing them. Its the speech thats lagging behind. This is no different than on windows when you open an application, and the app is on the screen for 2 or 3 seconds before Jaws says a peep. Saying the screen reader slows down the screen reader, which is kinda what you said, is a pretty circular argument, no? What I was referring to was the screen reader draining so much of the computers resources, that performing tasks liking opening applications, playing media, etc becomes effected. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Alex Hall wrote: Yes, I should have specified, and I apologize to the list for any confusion. From past discussions, though, I gathered that a monitor *may* fix *some* applications being sluggish, such as mail, but not the overall slowdowns I see when doing anything at all. For instance, I have key echo off because vo is too slow to echo the characters I type as I type them, yet jaws or nvda can do this just fine. For that reason, I also disagree that screen readers in general slow down a machine. So far, the mac is the only machine I have seen where using a screen reader causes lag in even tabbing or arrowing. On 1/4/12, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all screen readers, on any machine slows things down. Its just the nature of the beast. As far as your mini goes, the lack of a monitor is definitely the cause of most of your sorrows. If you hooked up a monitor, I think you would get much better performance. If you don't want a monitor, a macbook air might have been a better fit for you than a mini. Its just a fact of life for the Mac Mini and voiceover users at this time. You need to have a monitor hooked up to have a stable experience. This has been the case for years now, and I don't see Apple doing anything about it anytime soon. I do think when you shared your experiences with your Mac earlier in the thread you should have specified you were using a Mac mini with no monitor. I think not doing so was a little miss leading. JMO. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Alex Hall wrote: I find it interesting that you specify that Macs are faster when a screen reader is not involved. Do you mean that you find vo slows things down, or just that screen readers make for inaccurate comparisons? I always figured the extreme sluggishness of my mini was due to its lack of a monitor... On 1/3/12, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: lol, I think your sighted friend is on drugs. :). I find the Mac to be just as fas and more often than not faster when doing tasks than windows when a screen reader is not involved. Man, You know how long it takes iTunes to open on windows sometimes? smh. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Chuck wrote: Thanks for the information. I do plan to use my PC and the Mac Mini in parallel until I get used to the Mac. I am familiar with voice over and zoom on the iPhone and iPad and I'm hoping that they translate as well to the Mac Mini. I have a sighted friend who also says that the Mac is a little more sluggish than the PC. I don't do any gaming, 90% of my computer uses buying online, word processing, and web development But having dealt with Zoom text for the last 15 years, I am totally frustrated with the program. I have to reboot it about five times every day in order to get the text smooting to work. And it no longer works with Internet Explorer nine. I'm sure that when they do finally fix it, they'll want another $150 for the update. Chuck On Jan 3, 6:22 pm, Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net wrote: Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is
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That's a good thought. I have not heard of one around me, but then I have never thought to look either. On 1/4/12, Mr. L. Alexander turningbyto...@gmail.com wrote: do you not have a freecycle group in the USA? if so, register and place a free ad asking for a monitor to help you. you'd be surprised what kind of results you would get. lew On 4 Jan 2012, at 17:25, Alex Hall wrote: Well, vo is the only screen reader that has failed to keep up with my typing, and it is just as slow speaking letters as it is moving around a webpage or arrowing around mail. Yes, a monitor would likely help, but I don't have $120 to spend on a monitor when I already spent $600 on the Mini itself just to get a screen reader to speed up. If the adapter that aame with my Mini would connect to the dvi to vga adapter I have, and so would work with the older vga monitor I am trying to use, I may have a different experience, but I doubt it will help the speed of speech as it reacts to my typing or tabbing. Looking back, an Air would have been a much better choice, but I didn't realize that until after the return period was up, plus I didn't have the extra $400. On 1/4/12, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I fail to see how voiceover not keeping up with the speed of your typing indicates voiceover making your Mac sluggish. After all, the letters are coming out just as fast as your pressing them. Its the speech thats lagging behind. This is no different than on windows when you open an application, and the app is on the screen for 2 or 3 seconds before Jaws says a peep. Saying the screen reader slows down the screen reader, which is kinda what you said, is a pretty circular argument, no? What I was referring to was the screen reader draining so much of the computers resources, that performing tasks liking opening applications, playing media, etc becomes effected. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Alex Hall wrote: Yes, I should have specified, and I apologize to the list for any confusion. From past discussions, though, I gathered that a monitor *may* fix *some* applications being sluggish, such as mail, but not the overall slowdowns I see when doing anything at all. For instance, I have key echo off because vo is too slow to echo the characters I type as I type them, yet jaws or nvda can do this just fine. For that reason, I also disagree that screen readers in general slow down a machine. So far, the mac is the only machine I have seen where using a screen reader causes lag in even tabbing or arrowing. On 1/4/12, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all screen readers, on any machine slows things down. Its just the nature of the beast. As far as your mini goes, the lack of a monitor is definitely the cause of most of your sorrows. If you hooked up a monitor, I think you would get much better performance. If you don't want a monitor, a macbook air might have been a better fit for you than a mini. Its just a fact of life for the Mac Mini and voiceover users at this time. You need to have a monitor hooked up to have a stable experience. This has been the case for years now, and I don't see Apple doing anything about it anytime soon. I do think when you shared your experiences with your Mac earlier in the thread you should have specified you were using a Mac mini with no monitor. I think not doing so was a little miss leading. JMO. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Alex Hall wrote: I find it interesting that you specify that Macs are faster when a screen reader is not involved. Do you mean that you find vo slows things down, or just that screen readers make for inaccurate comparisons? I always figured the extreme sluggishness of my mini was due to its lack of a monitor... On 1/3/12, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: lol, I think your sighted friend is on drugs. :). I find the Mac to be just as fas and more often than not faster when doing tasks than windows when a screen reader is not involved. Man, You know how long it takes iTunes to open on windows sometimes? smh. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Chuck wrote: Thanks for the information. I do plan to use my PC and the Mac Mini in parallel until I get used to the Mac. I am familiar with voice over and zoom on the iPhone and iPad and I'm hoping that they translate as well to the Mac Mini. I have a sighted friend who also says that the Mac is a little more sluggish than the PC. I don't do any gaming, 90% of my computer uses buying online, word processing, and web development But having dealt with Zoom text for the last 15 years, I am totally frustrated with the program. I have to reboot
Re: Switching to a Mac from PC
Oh boy I agree. I find the Mac way way faster in everything, and I'm dual booting my MBP and the mac side is sstill way faster than windows. Reach within you, find the beauty of you, then share your light with the world! Marlaina Lieberg 1guide...@gmail.com On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:11 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: lol, I think your sighted friend is on drugs. :). I find the Mac to be just as fas and more often than not faster when doing tasks than windows when a screen reader is not involved. Man, You know how long it takes iTunes to open on windows sometimes? smh. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Chuck wrote: Thanks for the information. I do plan to use my PC and the Mac Mini in parallel until I get used to the Mac. I am familiar with voice over and zoom on the iPhone and iPad and I'm hoping that they translate as well to the Mac Mini. I have a sighted friend who also says that the Mac is a little more sluggish than the PC. I don't do any gaming, 90% of my computer uses buying online, word processing, and web development But having dealt with Zoom text for the last 15 years, I am totally frustrated with the program. I have to reboot it about five times every day in order to get the text smooting to work. And it no longer works with Internet Explorer nine. I'm sure that when they do finally fix it, they'll want another $150 for the update. Chuck On Jan 3, 6:22 pm, Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net wrote: Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get comfortable with any of the word processing options, and since I've been using a PC for close to 25 years, I'm always going to be more comfortable on a windows platform. One of my favorite activities, especially while I'm unemployed, is playing games, and while I'm thrilled that the RS games client works on the mac, there aren't any other options. I'm still hoping for a truly accessible mud client; if atlantis is accessible, I sure haven't figured out how to make it speak automatically. My other major task is writing/editing a story I've been working on for several years now. I just can't get comfortable working on my files using the mac, so just keep using good old wordpad on the PC. Since it cost me so much money, I have chosen to use the mac for things that either don't work or I don't want to mess with on my PC: adium, skype, itunes, and a couple of other similar things that I can't remember at the moment. I figure that the mac is a lot easier to fix if something goes wrong, and that's definitely something I'll give Apple credit for; you can install the operating system without any sighted assistance, and with carbon copy cloner and time machine, it's easy to restore your machine on the off chance that something catastrophic happens. Another thing that I really love about the mac is Growl. It essensially reads things that happen in the system tray: changes in dropbox files for example. That's 1 thing my PC can't do, or if it can, I don't know how to set it up, so the mac is really awesome in that respect. With all that being said, however, while I certainly like my mac a lot more than I did when I first bought it, to be perfectly honest, there's still a rather big part of me that regrets the purchase. I eventually hope to get bootcamp and/or VM fusion up and running, but so far, that just hasn't happened. I hope this makes at least a little sense and that it helps you in your decision. Sadly, I can't comment on the large print side of things, but I've become moderately comfortable with using Voiceover. Good luck in whatever decision you make, and I hope this helps you out at least a little. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 8:01 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Switching to a Mac from PC I got a Mini after hearing nothing but great things about the Mac and VoiceOver. I can honestly say that I regret the decision. I never understood editing, my system seemed sluggish compared to NVDA with Windows, and web browsing is slow on the Mac when using vo. Also, a lot of what I do on the pc is audio gaming, and not so much as a good, accessible version of Solitaire is available on the Mac, let alone shooting, strategy, or other intensively audio games. I am still willing to admit that a good, long skype session with someone who is an experienced Mac user may help me, but as of right now I almost never boot into Mac, using the Windows half of my dual-booting mini almost exclusively. If you do switch, make sure to either set up bootcamp or a virtual machine so you can
Re: Recommending DJay 4 by Algoriddim
Thank you so much for posting this. I am certain that you will be hearing from those of us who may wish to contact you via Skype to discuss more of the particulars of this wonderful and clearly artistic tool. Happy New Year, Mark On Jan 3, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Emrah wrote: Hello MacVisionnaires, A month ago, I bought DJay on the Mac App Store. I purposefully kept my accessibility expectations very low, as nothing I had previously tried on Windows was close to accessible. I am writing to briefly share my amazing experience with this App, which now has become a very fun tool. The app is totally accessible except for a few minor controls with the mouse. You can absolutely overcome these by using a hardware interface, which I did. The App uses your iTunes playlist and browsing with VoiceOver is not an issue at all. You have two virtual turntables on which you must load tracks to start playing. I will not elaborate too much on how to get started here, but would be happy to hold a brief Skype session to give you a quick start tutorial if any of you are interested. The Skype call would be recorded to archive as a Podcast for future curious users. I purchased the Numark Mixtrack Pro which offers a very easy interface, with physical nobs, sliders, jog wheels and very distinct buttons. The software is so accessible that I can put my laptop aside and control the whole party through the Numark, including browsing my playlists and titles, looping, scratching, crossfading and applying numerous effects. I am an amateur, but had a lot of fun DJaying for our New Year's eve party. What I managed to learn in a few days and experimented at the party ,actually sounded much better than some sophisticated club DJs. Strongly recommended! I got the app for only $20, on sale on the App Store. I bought the hardware interface in Switzerland for approx. $250. All the best, -- Emrah “In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.” Albert Einstein -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Hi guys. I think it's a matter of learning some things which are different from what we're used to if we're switchers. For instance, it never occurred to me, until an Apple person told me, that headers were used in numbers for columns and headings automatically. When I finally figured this out, I discovered that, for instance, in Numbers if set up header rows and/or columns VoiceOver will say those things when you land on them. It is easier to set up than it is in Windows because all you have to do is go to Tables and tell it how many headers rows etc. you want. Now I know that some of you guys have put Windows on your Macs. That's the last thing I want to do. However, I am about to have to go in the other room and use the desktop that's under Vista because the old good Social Security Administration has, I think got pdf files on there for putting W2s for employees. Also, they basically told me yesterday their web site doesn't support Safari. I have been using it on the web site, but when I read the part about the pdf files for sending W2s for employees by printing and/or reviewing the pdf files, I figure that I better use Windows. I sure hope those things are accessible when I get there, but I have an awful feeling they are not. Federal web sites are usually better, but their fillable pdf files are not always accessible. I don't know about you guys, but sometimes this accessibility thing makes me tired. I'm probably going to need a reader. Yippee!! Regards, Gigi On Jan 4, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Oh boy I agree. I find the Mac way way faster in everything, and I'm dual booting my MBP and the mac side is sstill way faster than windows. Reach within you, find the beauty of you, then share your light with the world! Marlaina Lieberg 1guide...@gmail.com On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:11 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: lol, I think your sighted friend is on drugs. :). I find the Mac to be just as fas and more often than not faster when doing tasks than windows when a screen reader is not involved. Man, You know how long it takes iTunes to open on windows sometimes? smh. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Chuck wrote: Thanks for the information. I do plan to use my PC and the Mac Mini in parallel until I get used to the Mac. I am familiar with voice over and zoom on the iPhone and iPad and I'm hoping that they translate as well to the Mac Mini. I have a sighted friend who also says that the Mac is a little more sluggish than the PC. I don't do any gaming, 90% of my computer uses buying online, word processing, and web development But having dealt with Zoom text for the last 15 years, I am totally frustrated with the program. I have to reboot it about five times every day in order to get the text smooting to work. And it no longer works with Internet Explorer nine. I'm sure that when they do finally fix it, they'll want another $150 for the update. Chuck On Jan 3, 6:22 pm, Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net wrote: Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get comfortable with any of the word processing options, and since I've been using a PC for close to 25 years, I'm always going to be more comfortable on a windows platform. One of my favorite activities, especially while I'm unemployed, is playing games, and while I'm thrilled that the RS games client works on the mac, there aren't any other options. I'm still hoping for a truly accessible mud client; if atlantis is accessible, I sure haven't figured out how to make it speak automatically. My other major task is writing/editing a story I've been working on for several years now. I just can't get comfortable working on my files using the mac, so just keep using good old wordpad on the PC. Since it cost me so much money, I have chosen to use the mac for things that either don't work or I don't want to mess with on my PC: adium, skype, itunes, and a couple of other similar things that I can't remember at the moment. I figure that the mac is a lot easier to fix if something goes wrong, and that's definitely something I'll give Apple credit for; you can install the operating system without any sighted assistance, and with carbon copy cloner and time machine, it's easy to restore your machine on the off chance that something catastrophic happens. Another thing that I really love about the mac is Growl. It essensially reads things that happen in the system tray: changes in dropbox files for example. That's 1 thing my PC can't do, or if it can, I don't know how to set it up, so the mac is really awesome in that respect. With all that being said, however, while I certainly like my mac a lot more than I did when
Re: Switching to a Mac from PC
Ge,, I think you were not told the truth about the social security site not supporting Safari. I had to use it just the other week and no issues at all. A little cluttered but I got done what I needed to do. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Jan 4, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote: Hi guys. I think it's a matter of learning some things which are different from what we're used to if we're switchers. For instance, it never occurred to me, until an Apple person told me, that headers were used in numbers for columns and headings automatically. When I finally figured this out, I discovered that, for instance, in Numbers if set up header rows and/or columns VoiceOver will say those things when you land on them. It is easier to set up than it is in Windows because all you have to do is go to Tables and tell it how many headers rows etc. you want. Now I know that some of you guys have put Windows on your Macs. That's the last thing I want to do. However, I am about to have to go in the other room and use the desktop that's under Vista because the old good Social Security Administration has, I think got pdf files on there for putting W2s for employees. Also, they basically told me yesterday their web site doesn't support Safari. I have been using it on the web site, but when I read the part about the pdf files for sending W2s for employees by printing and/or reviewing the pdf files, I figure that I better use Windows. I sure hope those things are accessible when I get there, but I have an awful feeling they are not. Federal web sites are usually better, but their fillable pdf files are not always accessible. I don't know about you guys, but sometimes this accessibility thing makes me tired. I'm probably going to need a reader. Yippee!! Regards, Gigi On Jan 4, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Oh boy I agree. I find the Mac way way faster in everything, and I'm dual booting my MBP and the mac side is sstill way faster than windows. Reach within you, find the beauty of you, then share your light with the world! Marlaina Lieberg 1guide...@gmail.com On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:11 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: lol, I think your sighted friend is on drugs. :). I find the Mac to be just as fas and more often than not faster when doing tasks than windows when a screen reader is not involved. Man, You know how long it takes iTunes to open on windows sometimes? smh. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Chuck wrote: Thanks for the information. I do plan to use my PC and the Mac Mini in parallel until I get used to the Mac. I am familiar with voice over and zoom on the iPhone and iPad and I'm hoping that they translate as well to the Mac Mini. I have a sighted friend who also says that the Mac is a little more sluggish than the PC. I don't do any gaming, 90% of my computer uses buying online, word processing, and web development But having dealt with Zoom text for the last 15 years, I am totally frustrated with the program. I have to reboot it about five times every day in order to get the text smooting to work. And it no longer works with Internet Explorer nine. I'm sure that when they do finally fix it, they'll want another $150 for the update. Chuck On Jan 3, 6:22 pm, Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net wrote: Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get comfortable with any of the word processing options, and since I've been using a PC for close to 25 years, I'm always going to be more comfortable on a windows platform. One of my favorite activities, especially while I'm unemployed, is playing games, and while I'm thrilled that the RS games client works on the mac, there aren't any other options. I'm still hoping for a truly accessible mud client; if atlantis is accessible, I sure haven't figured out how to make it speak automatically. My other major task is writing/editing a story I've been working on for several years now. I just can't get comfortable working on my files using the mac, so just keep using good old wordpad on the PC. Since it cost me so much money, I have chosen to use the mac for things that either don't work or I don't want to mess with on my PC: adium, skype, itunes, and a couple of other similar things that I can't remember at the moment. I figure that the mac is a lot easier to fix if something goes wrong, and that's definitely something I'll give Apple credit for; you can install the operating system without any sighted assistance, and with carbon copy cloner and time machine, it's easy to restore
Re: sluggishness (was Switching to a Mac from PC)
There are free cycle groups all over the US. Reach within you, find the beauty of you, then share your light with the world! Marlaina Lieberg 1guide...@gmail.com On Jan 4, 2012, at 9:28 AM, Alex Hall wrote: That's a good thought. I have not heard of one around me, but then I have never thought to look either. On 1/4/12, Mr. L. Alexander turningbyto...@gmail.com wrote: do you not have a freecycle group in the USA? if so, register and place a free ad asking for a monitor to help you. you'd be surprised what kind of results you would get. lew On 4 Jan 2012, at 17:25, Alex Hall wrote: Well, vo is the only screen reader that has failed to keep up with my typing, and it is just as slow speaking letters as it is moving around a webpage or arrowing around mail. Yes, a monitor would likely help, but I don't have $120 to spend on a monitor when I already spent $600 on the Mini itself just to get a screen reader to speed up. If the adapter that aame with my Mini would connect to the dvi to vga adapter I have, and so would work with the older vga monitor I am trying to use, I may have a different experience, but I doubt it will help the speed of speech as it reacts to my typing or tabbing. Looking back, an Air would have been a much better choice, but I didn't realize that until after the return period was up, plus I didn't have the extra $400. On 1/4/12, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I fail to see how voiceover not keeping up with the speed of your typing indicates voiceover making your Mac sluggish. After all, the letters are coming out just as fast as your pressing them. Its the speech thats lagging behind. This is no different than on windows when you open an application, and the app is on the screen for 2 or 3 seconds before Jaws says a peep. Saying the screen reader slows down the screen reader, which is kinda what you said, is a pretty circular argument, no? What I was referring to was the screen reader draining so much of the computers resources, that performing tasks liking opening applications, playing media, etc becomes effected. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Alex Hall wrote: Yes, I should have specified, and I apologize to the list for any confusion. From past discussions, though, I gathered that a monitor *may* fix *some* applications being sluggish, such as mail, but not the overall slowdowns I see when doing anything at all. For instance, I have key echo off because vo is too slow to echo the characters I type as I type them, yet jaws or nvda can do this just fine. For that reason, I also disagree that screen readers in general slow down a machine. So far, the mac is the only machine I have seen where using a screen reader causes lag in even tabbing or arrowing. On 1/4/12, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all screen readers, on any machine slows things down. Its just the nature of the beast. As far as your mini goes, the lack of a monitor is definitely the cause of most of your sorrows. If you hooked up a monitor, I think you would get much better performance. If you don't want a monitor, a macbook air might have been a better fit for you than a mini. Its just a fact of life for the Mac Mini and voiceover users at this time. You need to have a monitor hooked up to have a stable experience. This has been the case for years now, and I don't see Apple doing anything about it anytime soon. I do think when you shared your experiences with your Mac earlier in the thread you should have specified you were using a Mac mini with no monitor. I think not doing so was a little miss leading. JMO. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Alex Hall wrote: I find it interesting that you specify that Macs are faster when a screen reader is not involved. Do you mean that you find vo slows things down, or just that screen readers make for inaccurate comparisons? I always figured the extreme sluggishness of my mini was due to its lack of a monitor... On 1/3/12, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: lol, I think your sighted friend is on drugs. :). I find the Mac to be just as fas and more often than not faster when doing tasks than windows when a screen reader is not involved. Man, You know how long it takes iTunes to open on windows sometimes? smh. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Chuck wrote: Thanks for the information. I do plan to use my PC and the Mac Mini in parallel until I get used to the Mac. I am familiar with voice over and zoom on the iPhone and iPad and I'm hoping that they translate as well to the Mac Mini. I have a sighted friend who also says that the Mac is a little more
Re: Switching to a Mac from PC
Hi Ray. I have used the site also for just SS benefits things Have you used section they call Business Online? It works ok, if you don't get yourself out of Safari by accidentally pressing the tab key. I kept being thrown out and having to get back in. Also, how do you handle pdf forms online? Regards, Gigi On Jan 4, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Ge,, I think you were not told the truth about the social security site not supporting Safari. I had to use it just the other week and no issues at all. A little cluttered but I got done what I needed to do. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Jan 4, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote: Hi guys. I think it's a matter of learning some things which are different from what we're used to if we're switchers. For instance, it never occurred to me, until an Apple person told me, that headers were used in numbers for columns and headings automatically. When I finally figured this out, I discovered that, for instance, in Numbers if set up header rows and/or columns VoiceOver will say those things when you land on them. It is easier to set up than it is in Windows because all you have to do is go to Tables and tell it how many headers rows etc. you want. Now I know that some of you guys have put Windows on your Macs. That's the last thing I want to do. However, I am about to have to go in the other room and use the desktop that's under Vista because the old good Social Security Administration has, I think got pdf files on there for putting W2s for employees. Also, they basically told me yesterday their web site doesn't support Safari. I have been using it on the web site, but when I read the part about the pdf files for sending W2s for employees by printing and/or reviewing the pdf files, I figure that I better use Windows. I sure hope those things are accessible when I get there, but I have an awful feeling they are not. Federal web sites are usually better, but their fillable pdf files are not always accessible. I don't know about you guys, but sometimes this accessibility thing makes me tired. I'm probably going to need a reader. Yippee!! Regards, Gigi On Jan 4, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Oh boy I agree. I find the Mac way way faster in everything, and I'm dual booting my MBP and the mac side is sstill way faster than windows. Reach within you, find the beauty of you, then share your light with the world! Marlaina Lieberg 1guide...@gmail.com On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:11 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: lol, I think your sighted friend is on drugs. :). I find the Mac to be just as fas and more often than not faster when doing tasks than windows when a screen reader is not involved. Man, You know how long it takes iTunes to open on windows sometimes? smh. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Chuck wrote: Thanks for the information. I do plan to use my PC and the Mac Mini in parallel until I get used to the Mac. I am familiar with voice over and zoom on the iPhone and iPad and I'm hoping that they translate as well to the Mac Mini. I have a sighted friend who also says that the Mac is a little more sluggish than the PC. I don't do any gaming, 90% of my computer uses buying online, word processing, and web development But having dealt with Zoom text for the last 15 years, I am totally frustrated with the program. I have to reboot it about five times every day in order to get the text smooting to work. And it no longer works with Internet Explorer nine. I'm sure that when they do finally fix it, they'll want another $150 for the update. Chuck On Jan 3, 6:22 pm, Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net wrote: Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get comfortable with any of the word processing options, and since I've been using a PC for close to 25 years, I'm always going to be more comfortable on a windows platform. One of my favorite activities, especially while I'm unemployed, is playing games, and while I'm thrilled that the RS games client works on the mac, there aren't any other options. I'm still hoping for a truly accessible mud client; if atlantis is accessible, I sure haven't figured out how to make it speak automatically. My other major task is writing/editing a story I've been working on for several years now. I just can't get comfortable working on my files using the mac, so just keep using good old wordpad on the PC. Since it cost me so much money, I have chosen to use the mac for things that either don't work or I don't want to mess
Re: Switching to a Mac from PC
I can answer your last question. I don't I just save the files and deal with them that way. Haven't had to much though. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Jan 4, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote: Hi Ray. I have used the site also for just SS benefits things Have you used section they call Business Online? It works ok, if you don't get yourself out of Safari by accidentally pressing the tab key. I kept being thrown out and having to get back in. Also, how do you handle pdf forms online? Regards, Gigi On Jan 4, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Ge,, I think you were not told the truth about the social security site not supporting Safari. I had to use it just the other week and no issues at all. A little cluttered but I got done what I needed to do. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Jan 4, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote: Hi guys. I think it's a matter of learning some things which are different from what we're used to if we're switchers. For instance, it never occurred to me, until an Apple person told me, that headers were used in numbers for columns and headings automatically. When I finally figured this out, I discovered that, for instance, in Numbers if set up header rows and/or columns VoiceOver will say those things when you land on them. It is easier to set up than it is in Windows because all you have to do is go to Tables and tell it how many headers rows etc. you want. Now I know that some of you guys have put Windows on your Macs. That's the last thing I want to do. However, I am about to have to go in the other room and use the desktop that's under Vista because the old good Social Security Administration has, I think got pdf files on there for putting W2s for employees. Also, they basically told me yesterday their web site doesn't support Safari. I have been using it on the web site, but when I read the part about the pdf files for sending W2s for employees by printing and/or reviewing the pdf files, I figure that I better use Windows. I sure hope those things are accessible when I get there, but I have an awful feeling they are not. Federal web sites are usually better, but their fillable pdf files are not always accessible. I don't know about you guys, but sometimes this accessibility thing makes me tired. I'm probably going to need a reader. Yippee!! Regards, Gigi On Jan 4, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Oh boy I agree. I find the Mac way way faster in everything, and I'm dual booting my MBP and the mac side is sstill way faster than windows. Reach within you, find the beauty of you, then share your light with the world! Marlaina Lieberg 1guide...@gmail.com On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:11 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: lol, I think your sighted friend is on drugs. :). I find the Mac to be just as fas and more often than not faster when doing tasks than windows when a screen reader is not involved. Man, You know how long it takes iTunes to open on windows sometimes? smh. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Chuck wrote: Thanks for the information. I do plan to use my PC and the Mac Mini in parallel until I get used to the Mac. I am familiar with voice over and zoom on the iPhone and iPad and I'm hoping that they translate as well to the Mac Mini. I have a sighted friend who also says that the Mac is a little more sluggish than the PC. I don't do any gaming, 90% of my computer uses buying online, word processing, and web development But having dealt with Zoom text for the last 15 years, I am totally frustrated with the program. I have to reboot it about five times every day in order to get the text smooting to work. And it no longer works with Internet Explorer nine. I'm sure that when they do finally fix it, they'll want another $150 for the update. Chuck On Jan 3, 6:22 pm, Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net wrote: Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get comfortable with any of the word processing options, and since I've been using a PC for close to 25 years, I'm always going to be more comfortable on a windows platform. One of my favorite activities, especially while I'm unemployed, is playing games, and while I'm thrilled that the RS games client works on the mac, there aren't any other options. I'm still hoping for a truly accessible mud client; if atlantis is accessible, I sure haven't figured out how to make it speak
Accidently did something to make the downloads folder disappear
Hi All, I don't know what I did but my downloads folder is not on the dock, how do I access it. I don't think I deleted it but may have and not realized it when I emptied the trash, can someone help me? I need access to it for classes, I have college classes on line that I download documents for. Oh one other question I have thought about making it so my computer can run windows by partitioning the hD but wondered if I got a external hard drive if using that would work. So would it? Thanks, Becky and C -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Accidently did something to make the downloads folder disappear
Hi, you don't even need to go into the dock to access your documents folder. From the finder, press command option L. But you can get the downloads folder back on the dock by pressing command shift H and when on the downloads folder press command shift T. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 2:27 PM, Becky Knaub wrote: Hi All, I don't know what I did but my downloads folder is not on the dock, how do I access it. I don't think I deleted it but may have and not realized it when I emptied the trash, can someone help me? I need access to it for classes, I have college classes on line that I download documents for. Oh one other question I have thought about making it so my computer can run windows by partitioning the hD but wondered if I got a external hard drive if using that would work. So would it? Thanks, Becky and C -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
Hi all, I have a situation wherein I use a certain file in different situations. I would like the option to open the basic file, modify the content, and save it with a different filename. This used to be possible, but the only option I see now for saving documents is Save a Version, which uses the original filename. Does anyone know if there's some way to open a Save As dialog in Text Edit? On a related note, does anyone know if there's a way to view older versions of a file, i.e. could I open a version of this file before the last time I saved a version? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Accidently did something to make the downloads folder disappear
on the windows front, it would be best using VMWare fusion. partitioning your hard drive and using bootcamp on startup isn't what I would recommend as you are more susceptible to viruses affecting hardware than a VMware system. go with VMware fusion, windows from what I'm told works much easier and offers easier installation through auto scripts. lew as regards the downloads folder, it's located in your user folder so it's available there or through the go menu, etc. lew On 4 Jan 2012, at 19:27, Becky Knaub wrote: Hi All, I don't know what I did but my downloads folder is not on the dock, how do I access it. I don't think I deleted it but may have and not realized it when I emptied the trash, can someone help me? I need access to it for classes, I have college classes on line that I download documents for. Oh one other question I have thought about making it so my computer can run windows by partitioning the hD but wondered if I got a external hard drive if using that would work. So would it? Thanks, Becky and C -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Mr. L. Alexander. Free Macs For The Blind. E-Mail: freemacsfortheb...@mac-access.net Direct line: 07936 877500 Twitter: @macsfortheblind Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR FREE! Do you have an old unwanted mac, any hardware, software, old PC's, etc or a copy of outspoken 9.2 you would be willing to donate? please get in touch. Mac Access Dot Net; The British Mac Accessibility Network, we're here to help anybody disabled with anything Apple! http://www.mac-access.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Wifi Drops When I Log Out: Mac Mini and Lion
Hi, all, This has just started happening in the last couple of weeks, though I've had Lion for months. When I log into my user account, I have a dialog that says: No preferred networks are available. Choose a Wifi network to log into. or something to that effect. I have a WPA personal network, and at this point, I can choose it and log in without re-entering a password. Should I try deleting all of my preferred networks and start from schrath? There's a SETIathome demon I'd like to run while logged out. Thanks, Teresa Slow down; you'll get there faster. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
There was in Snow kitty but there is not that I know of in Lion for Pages or text edit. On Jan 4, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote: Hi all, I have a situation wherein I use a certain file in different situations. I would like the option to open the basic file, modify the content, and save it with a different filename. This used to be possible, but the only option I see now for saving documents is Save a Version, which uses the original filename. Does anyone know if there's some way to open a Save As dialog in Text Edit? On a related note, does anyone know if there's a way to view older versions of a file, i.e. could I open a version of this file before the last time I saved a version? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Synchronizing MacBook Calendar and address book with Android phone?
Hello listers, I recently acquired an Android phone (HTC Desire Z) and want to synchronize it with my Mac Book's address book and calendar. Do I need to go through the cloud, or can I accomplish this through either a USB connection or Bluetooth? I was advised that for synchronization with Symbian devices, I should use the synchronization program that was part of Snow Leopard. This has worked well with my aging Symbian phone, but will it work with the Desire Z as well? My best to all with thanks in advance, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
I'd love answers to this question as well. I had a document where I somehow deleted everything, but figured it wasn't a problem because I could just open a previous version. Well, I never did figure out how to do that. Fortunately, the good version of the file was still in dropbox and also on my PC, but this is 1 of the many reasons I just can't get comfortable with word processing on the mac. I don't like or understand this save a version thing, and wish that textedit worked the way it did under Snow Leopard. I probably wouldn't use it too much more than I do now, but I'd at least be willing to try if it behaved more logically. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Goodin, Donna Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:38 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? Hi all, I have a situation wherein I use a certain file in different situations. I would like the option to open the basic file, modify the content, and save it with a different filename. This used to be possible, but the only option I see now for saving documents is Save a Version, which uses the original filename. Does anyone know if there's some way to open a Save As dialog in Text Edit? On a related note, does anyone know if there's a way to view older versions of a file, i.e. could I open a version of this file before the last time I saved a version? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Accidently did something to make the downloads folder disappear
Hi Thank you so much. I was really worried I messed my comp up. Thanks again that really helped. Becky and C On Jan 4, 2012, at 2:31 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, you don't even need to go into the dock to access your documents folder. From the finder, press command option L. But you can get the downloads folder back on the dock by pressing command shift H and when on the downloads folder press command shift T. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 2:27 PM, Becky Knaub wrote: Hi All, I don't know what I did but my downloads folder is not on the dock, how do I access it. I don't think I deleted it but may have and not realized it when I emptied the trash, can someone help me? I need access to it for classes, I have college classes on line that I download documents for. Oh one other question I have thought about making it so my computer can run windows by partitioning the hD but wondered if I got a external hard drive if using that would work. So would it? Thanks, Becky and C -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
Well, in SL, command shift S gives you the save as dialog; I can't see why this would be different in Lion. • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
Hi, all you have to do is press command S. There is really no mystery to this. Also, if you press command w to close the window, you will be presented with the save as dialog if you haven't already saved the document. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: I'd love answers to this question as well. I had a document where I somehow deleted everything, but figured it wasn't a problem because I could just open a previous version. Well, I never did figure out how to do that. Fortunately, the good version of the file was still in dropbox and also on my PC, but this is 1 of the many reasons I just can't get comfortable with word processing on the mac. I don't like or understand this save a version thing, and wish that textedit worked the way it did under Snow Leopard. I probably wouldn't use it too much more than I do now, but I'd at least be willing to try if it behaved more logically. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Goodin, Donna Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:38 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? Hi all, I have a situation wherein I use a certain file in different situations. I would like the option to open the basic file, modify the content, and save it with a different filename. This used to be possible, but the only option I see now for saving documents is Save a Version, which uses the original filename. Does anyone know if there's some way to open a Save As dialog in Text Edit? On a related note, does anyone know if there's a way to view older versions of a file, i.e. could I open a version of this file before the last time I saved a version? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
GRR. Apple's latest innovations are really starting to annoy me. Thanks, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:14 PM, Becky Knaub wrote: There was in Snow kitty but there is not that I know of in Lion for Pages or text edit. On Jan 4, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote: Hi all, I have a situation wherein I use a certain file in different situations. I would like the option to open the basic file, modify the content, and save it with a different filename. This used to be possible, but the only option I see now for saving documents is Save a Version, which uses the original filename. Does anyone know if there's some way to open a Save As dialog in Text Edit? On a related note, does anyone know if there's a way to view older versions of a file, i.e. could I open a version of this file before the last time I saved a version? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
But that's just it. She needs to alter a document and save it under a different name. I gree, the sightie option to save a version is really not very utilitarion for us. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Jan 4, 2012, at 2:42 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, all you have to do is press command S. There is really no mystery to this. Also, if you press command w to close the window, you will be presented with the save as dialog if you haven't already saved the document. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: I'd love answers to this question as well. I had a document where I somehow deleted everything, but figured it wasn't a problem because I could just open a previous version. Well, I never did figure out how to do that. Fortunately, the good version of the file was still in dropbox and also on my PC, but this is 1 of the many reasons I just can't get comfortable with word processing on the mac. I don't like or understand this save a version thing, and wish that textedit worked the way it did under Snow Leopard. I probably wouldn't use it too much more than I do now, but I'd at least be willing to try if it behaved more logically. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Goodin, Donna Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:38 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? Hi all, I have a situation wherein I use a certain file in different situations. I would like the option to open the basic file, modify the content, and save it with a different filename. This used to be possible, but the only option I see now for saving documents is Save a Version, which uses the original filename. Does anyone know if there's some way to open a Save As dialog in Text Edit? On a related note, does anyone know if there's a way to view older versions of a file, i.e. could I open a version of this file before the last time I saved a version? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
One correction, Ricardo. Command S saves a version. It does not give you a Save As Dialog. And, the document I'm talking about has already been saved, so I can't get to a Save As dialog by just closing the window. Cheers, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:42 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, all you have to do is press command S. There is really no mystery to this. Also, if you press command w to close the window, you will be presented with the save as dialog if you haven't already saved the document. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: I'd love answers to this question as well. I had a document where I somehow deleted everything, but figured it wasn't a problem because I could just open a previous version. Well, I never did figure out how to do that. Fortunately, the good version of the file was still in dropbox and also on my PC, but this is 1 of the many reasons I just can't get comfortable with word processing on the mac. I don't like or understand this save a version thing, and wish that textedit worked the way it did under Snow Leopard. I probably wouldn't use it too much more than I do now, but I'd at least be willing to try if it behaved more logically. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Goodin, Donna Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:38 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? Hi all, I have a situation wherein I use a certain file in different situations. I would like the option to open the basic file, modify the content, and save it with a different filename. This used to be possible, but the only option I see now for saving documents is Save a Version, which uses the original filename. Does anyone know if there's some way to open a Save As dialog in Text Edit? On a related note, does anyone know if there's a way to view older versions of a file, i.e. could I open a version of this file before the last time I saved a version? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
Well, it is. Cmd-Shift S gives you nothing in Lion. Cheers, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:28 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: Well, in SL, command shift S gives you the save as dialog; I can't see why this would be different in Lion. • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
There is no save as in Lion. This has to do with the version history feature. If you are working off a template or such, duplicate the document from the file menu and then do a command-s to save it with a new name. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote: Well, it is. Cmd-Shift S gives you nothing in Lion. Cheers, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:28 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: Well, in SL, command shift S gives you the save as dialog; I can't see why this would be different in Lion. • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
Maybe, but, I can tell you how to look at older versions. Here's how you pull that off. 1. Go in to the document. 2. From the file menu, choose refverte option. 3. Now, this will open a document browser controler window. You want to go in to this window. 4. Now, if you VO+right, you will notice that there is a restore button and to the right of it, an incromenter which controls which version of a document you are looking at. Interact with this incomenter. 5. As you move up or down, you will see the documents dates changing. These are the dates on which different versions of a document were saved. focus on the earlier date and then stop interacting with the incromenter. 6. Now, press the restore button. All other versions will be dismissed. HTH. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Jan 4, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote: One correction, Ricardo. Command S saves a version. It does not give you a Save As Dialog. And, the document I'm talking about has already been saved, so I can't get to a Save As dialog by just closing the window. Cheers, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:42 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, all you have to do is press command S. There is really no mystery to this. Also, if you press command w to close the window, you will be presented with the save as dialog if you haven't already saved the document. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: I'd love answers to this question as well. I had a document where I somehow deleted everything, but figured it wasn't a problem because I could just open a previous version. Well, I never did figure out how to do that. Fortunately, the good version of the file was still in dropbox and also on my PC, but this is 1 of the many reasons I just can't get comfortable with word processing on the mac. I don't like or understand this save a version thing, and wish that textedit worked the way it did under Snow Leopard. I probably wouldn't use it too much more than I do now, but I'd at least be willing to try if it behaved more logically. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Goodin, Donna Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:38 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? Hi all, I have a situation wherein I use a certain file in different situations. I would like the option to open the basic file, modify the content, and save it with a different filename. This used to be possible, but the only option I see now for saving documents is Save a Version, which uses the original filename. Does anyone know if there's some way to open a Save As dialog in Text Edit? On a related note, does anyone know if there's a way to view older versions of a file, i.e. could I open a version of this file before the last time I saved a version? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
Yup. I'm sorry Donna. I didn't read your post first so I thought you hadn't already saved the document. This is true there is no save as as we all know it but, here's what you do. stop interacting with the scroll area in text edit and navigate over to the versions menu button. In this menu choose duplicate. Here you will be able to rename or save the document in another format. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote: One correction, Ricardo. Command S saves a version. It does not give you a Save As Dialog. And, the document I'm talking about has already been saved, so I can't get to a Save As dialog by just closing the window. Cheers, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:42 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, all you have to do is press command S. There is really no mystery to this. Also, if you press command w to close the window, you will be presented with the save as dialog if you haven't already saved the document. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: I'd love answers to this question as well. I had a document where I somehow deleted everything, but figured it wasn't a problem because I could just open a previous version. Well, I never did figure out how to do that. Fortunately, the good version of the file was still in dropbox and also on my PC, but this is 1 of the many reasons I just can't get comfortable with word processing on the mac. I don't like or understand this save a version thing, and wish that textedit worked the way it did under Snow Leopard. I probably wouldn't use it too much more than I do now, but I'd at least be willing to try if it behaved more logically. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Goodin, Donna Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:38 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? Hi all, I have a situation wherein I use a certain file in different situations. I would like the option to open the basic file, modify the content, and save it with a different filename. This used to be possible, but the only option I see now for saving documents is Save a Version, which uses the original filename. Does anyone know if there's some way to open a Save As dialog in Text Edit? On a related note, does anyone know if there's a way to view older versions of a file, i.e. could I open a version of this file before the last time I saved a version? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
Thank you for this information. It's helpful, but is beyond tedius. I wouldn't suppose Apple would consider restoring previous behavior? This versions thing is just too weird and cumbersome to be practical. Command s and command shift s should still be available in my opinion. This is another reason why I still prefer to use my PC over the mac for many tasks: while many things are technicly possible on the mac, it feels as though you have to jump through hoops to accomplish them. I mean, your message and Ray's above it show at least 5 steps for either saving a different version of a file or restoring 1. I'm sure that the process becomes second nature with practice, but it's just so much more complicated than in wordpad or even full MS word on the PC. Just my opinion of course, but I certainly appreciate you explaining how this whole procedure works under lion. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 4:05 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? Yup. I'm sorry Donna. I didn't read your post first so I thought you hadn't already saved the document. This is true there is no save as as we all know it but, here's what you do. stop interacting with the scroll area in text edit and navigate over to the versions menu button. In this menu choose duplicate. Here you will be able to rename or save the document in another format. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote: One correction, Ricardo. Command S saves a version. It does not give you a Save As Dialog. And, the document I'm talking about has already been saved, so I can't get to a Save As dialog by just closing the window. Cheers, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:42 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, all you have to do is press command S. There is really no mystery to this. Also, if you press command w to close the window, you will be presented with the save as dialog if you haven't already saved the document. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: I'd love answers to this question as well. I had a document where I somehow deleted everything, but figured it wasn't a problem because I could just open a previous version. Well, I never did figure out how to do that. Fortunately, the good version of the file was still in dropbox and also on my PC, but this is 1 of the many reasons I just can't get comfortable with word processing on the mac. I don't like or understand this save a version thing, and wish that textedit worked the way it did under Snow Leopard. I probably wouldn't use it too much more than I do now, but I'd at least be willing to try if it behaved more logically. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Goodin, Donna Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:38 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? Hi all, I have a situation wherein I use a certain file in different situations. I would like the option to open the basic file, modify the content, and save it with a different filename. This used to be possible, but the only option I see now for saving documents is Save a Version, which uses the original filename. Does anyone know if there's some way to open a Save As dialog in Text Edit? On a related note, does anyone know if there's a way to view older versions of a file, i.e. could I open a version of this file before the last time I saved a version? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
Thanks, John. God that's dumb, what on earth was Apple thinking? thanks anyway, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:59 PM, John Panarese wrote: There is no save as in Lion. This has to do with the version history feature. If you are working off a template or such, duplicate the document from the file menu and then do a command-s to save it with a new name. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote: Well, it is. Cmd-Shift S gives you nothing in Lion. Cheers, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:28 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: Well, in SL, command shift S gives you the save as dialog; I can't see why this would be different in Lion. • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
It reminds me of a notetaker in dos with the reverting! On 4 Jan 2012, at 09:02 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote: Maybe, but, I can tell you how to look at older versions. Here's how you pull that off. 1. Go in to the document. 2. From the file menu, choose refverte option. 3. Now, this will open a document browser controler window. You want to go in to this window. 4. Now, if you VO+right, you will notice that there is a restore button and to the right of it, an incromenter which controls which version of a document you are looking at. Interact with this incomenter. 5. As you move up or down, you will see the documents dates changing. These are the dates on which different versions of a document were saved. focus on the earlier date and then stop interacting with the incromenter. 6. Now, press the restore button. All other versions will be dismissed. HTH. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Jan 4, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote: One correction, Ricardo. Command S saves a version. It does not give you a Save As Dialog. And, the document I'm talking about has already been saved, so I can't get to a Save As dialog by just closing the window. Cheers, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:42 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, all you have to do is press command S. There is really no mystery to this. Also, if you press command w to close the window, you will be presented with the save as dialog if you haven't already saved the document. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: I'd love answers to this question as well. I had a document where I somehow deleted everything, but figured it wasn't a problem because I could just open a previous version. Well, I never did figure out how to do that. Fortunately, the good version of the file was still in dropbox and also on my PC, but this is 1 of the many reasons I just can't get comfortable with word processing on the mac. I don't like or understand this save a version thing, and wish that textedit worked the way it did under Snow Leopard. I probably wouldn't use it too much more than I do now, but I'd at least be willing to try if it behaved more logically. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Goodin, Donna Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:38 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? Hi all, I have a situation wherein I use a certain file in different situations. I would like the option to open the basic file, modify the content, and save it with a different filename. This used to be possible, but the only option I see now for saving documents is Save a Version, which uses the original filename. Does anyone know if there's some way to open a Save As dialog in Text Edit? On a related note, does anyone know if there's a way to view older versions of a file, i.e. could I open a version of this file before the last time I saved a version? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
Re: Switching to a Mac from PC
Hi, I have been using my mac mini full time for quite some time now and I fimnd it to be useful for what I do even though there times I still wish I had a pc for things like sauving captches in firefox since ff is not accessible on the mac and never will be I gather. I am still try to get dropbox to work on this machine here and have not been secessful so far. it would also be nice to have a pc around for playing around with vinux, but that is a small thing since i can not afford vmware fusion at the moment.Just my thoughts. Matthew On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get comfortable with any of the word processing options, and since I've been using a PC for close to 25 years, I'm always going to be more comfortable on a windows platform. One of my favorite activities, especially while I'm unemployed, is playing games, and while I'm thrilled that the RS games client works on the mac, there aren't any other options. I'm still hoping for a truly accessible mud client; if atlantis is accessible, I sure haven't figured out how to make it speak automatically. My other major task is writing/editing a story I've been working on for several years now. I just can't get comfortable working on my files using the mac, so just keep using good old wordpad on the PC. Since it cost me so much money, I have chosen to use the mac for things that either don't work or I don't want to mess with on my PC: adium, skype, itunes, and a couple of other similar things that I can't remember at the moment. I figure that the mac is a lot easier to fix if something goes wrong, and that's definitely something I'll give Apple credit for; you can install the operating system without any sighted assistance, and with carbon copy cloner and time machine, it's easy to restore your machine on the off chance that something catastrophic happens. Another thing that I really love about the mac is Growl. It essensially reads things that happen in the system tray: changes in dropbox files for example. That's 1 thing my PC can't do, or if it can, I don't know how to set it up, so the mac is really awesome in that respect. With all that being said, however, while I certainly like my mac a lot more than I did when I first bought it, to be perfectly honest, there's still a rather big part of me that regrets the purchase. I eventually hope to get bootcamp and/or VM fusion up and running, but so far, that just hasn't happened. I hope this makes at least a little sense and that it helps you in your decision. Sadly, I can't comment on the large print side of things, but I've become moderately comfortable with using Voiceover. Good luck in whatever decision you make, and I hope this helps you out at least a little. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 8:01 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Switching to a Mac from PC I got a Mini after hearing nothing but great things about the Mac and VoiceOver. I can honestly say that I regret the decision. I never understood editing, my system seemed sluggish compared to NVDA with Windows, and web browsing is slow on the Mac when using vo. Also, a lot of what I do on the pc is audio gaming, and not so much as a good, accessible version of Solitaire is available on the Mac, let alone shooting, strategy, or other intensively audio games. I am still willing to admit that a good, long skype session with someone who is an experienced Mac user may help me, but as of right now I almost never boot into Mac, using the Windows half of my dual-booting mini almost exclusively. If you do switch, make sure to either set up bootcamp or a virtual machine so you can run Windows, because I can pretty much promise that you will still be using Windows for a while after you start playing with the mac. Sorry to be so negative, but that's my experience so far. On 1/3/12, Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com wrote: Hi Chuck! Although I do not use windows and never have! I have seen posts about the zoom and one thing the Mac cannot do is change colours! So its black on white or vice vursor! hth Colin On 4 Jan 2012, at 00:05, Chuck wrote: Hello everyone, I'm seriously considering switching to a Mac Mini from PC. I intend to use both the zoom and voice over programs. I am currently using a PC with Windows 7 and zoom text as my magnification and reading software. I would like to hear from those of you who have made the switch. What pitfalls should I look for? Are there any trade-offs? In your opinion after making the switch which is the better system? Why? Thanks.
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
Remember that Lion is moving to an iOS kind of interface. The resume feature in Lion is another example of this. So, with documents, they are automatically edited as you work on them, so there is no need to manually save them. . Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jan 4, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote: Thanks, John. God that's dumb, what on earth was Apple thinking? thanks anyway, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:59 PM, John Panarese wrote: There is no save as in Lion. This has to do with the version history feature. If you are working off a template or such, duplicate the document from the file menu and then do a command-s to save it with a new name. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote: Well, it is. Cmd-Shift S gives you nothing in Lion. Cheers, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:28 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: Well, in SL, command shift S gives you the save as dialog; I can't see why this would be different in Lion. • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
I see your point in regards to save as. I personally find no longer having to constantly save my work quite liberating though. In the course of a days work, I will press command S to save my work way more than I will press command shift S to rename or change formats of a duplicate of said work. But I agree, there was really no reason to get rid of save as in the file menu. I don't know about the Mac being more or less cumbersome though. For example, to open settings or options in an application on windows, you will often have to find it in the menu bar some where. On The Mac, you just press command comma no matter what the application. Or lets say you want to change a sync setting in iTunes for your IOS device. You have to tab a bunch of times to the button you want for example, photos, select that then tab a bunch more times until you reach the area with the photo settings. On the Mac, you can use the item chooser to get you straight to photos and then straight to the scroll area with the settings. And once you've done this once, you can set hotspots to jump directly to these points by just pressing VO and a number if you so choose. That beats pressing tab 20 times in my opinion. lol. And then how about downloading an app? If its a DMG file, its just opening the file and copying the app from there to your apps folder. No pressing next 5 times and fooling with cursors to try to read what your agreeing to. If using the Mac app store, its just a matter of typing in your Apple ID and password and hitting enter. So, in short, its all relative. I'm sure you could think of a million and 1 things that windows or jaws might do more efficiently than the Mac or voiceover. I think it just depends on what the tasks one does with their computer. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 4:14 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Thank you for this information. It's helpful, but is beyond tedius. I wouldn't suppose Apple would consider restoring previous behavior? This versions thing is just too weird and cumbersome to be practical. Command s and command shift s should still be available in my opinion. This is another reason why I still prefer to use my PC over the mac for many tasks: while many things are technicly possible on the mac, it feels as though you have to jump through hoops to accomplish them. I mean, your message and Ray's above it show at least 5 steps for either saving a different version of a file or restoring 1. I'm sure that the process becomes second nature with practice, but it's just so much more complicated than in wordpad or even full MS word on the PC. Just my opinion of course, but I certainly appreciate you explaining how this whole procedure works under lion. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 4:05 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? Yup. I'm sorry Donna. I didn't read your post first so I thought you hadn't already saved the document. This is true there is no save as as we all know it but, here's what you do. stop interacting with the scroll area in text edit and navigate over to the versions menu button. In this menu choose duplicate. Here you will be able to rename or save the document in another format. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote: One correction, Ricardo. Command S saves a version. It does not give you a Save As Dialog. And, the document I'm talking about has already been saved, so I can't get to a Save As dialog by just closing the window. Cheers, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:42 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, all you have to do is press command S. There is really no mystery to this. Also, if you press command w to close the window, you will be presented with the save as dialog if you haven't already saved the document. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: I'd love answers to this question as well. I had a document where I somehow deleted everything, but figured it wasn't a problem because I could just open a previous version. Well, I never did figure out how to do that. Fortunately, the good version of the file was still in dropbox and also on my PC, but this is 1 of the many reasons I just can't get comfortable with word processing on the mac. I don't like or understand this save a version thing, and wish that textedit worked the way it did under Snow Leopard. I probably wouldn't use it too much more than I do now, but I'd at least be willing to try if it behaved more logically.
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
Hi Donna, I ponder this quite a lot and actually got some help from Accessibility at Apple. I'm not sure, but check the files menu or dialog for Save a copy. What I've been doing, when I can anticipate the need, is, while viewing the file from Finder, simply command c, command v to make a safe copy right there. Frankly, I am quite used to the prior way of doing things and would like to have that back and the ability to abandon edits if I fear having messed up too badly. As for seeing those other versions, I regret not being able to help there. Clear, concise input from anyone having knowledge of these matters is most welcome. Hth, John s - Original Message - From: Goodin, Donna To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:37 PM Subject: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? Hi all, I have a situation wherein I use a certain file in different situations. I would like the option to open the basic file, modify the content, and save it with a different filename. This used to be possible, but the only option I see now for saving documents is Save a Version, which uses the original filename. Does anyone know if there's some way to open a Save As dialog in Text Edit? On a related note, does anyone know if there's a way to view older versions of a file, i.e. could I open a version of this file before the last time I saved a version? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
Thanks, Ricardo. I have to agree with Missy here, though. It's unfortunate to have to ad that extra step when there's no real need for it. Cheers, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Yup. I'm sorry Donna. I didn't read your post first so I thought you hadn't already saved the document. This is true there is no save as as we all know it but, here's what you do. stop interacting with the scroll area in text edit and navigate over to the versions menu button. In this menu choose duplicate. Here you will be able to rename or save the document in another format. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote: One correction, Ricardo. Command S saves a version. It does not give you a Save As Dialog. And, the document I'm talking about has already been saved, so I can't get to a Save As dialog by just closing the window. Cheers, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:42 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, all you have to do is press command S. There is really no mystery to this. Also, if you press command w to close the window, you will be presented with the save as dialog if you haven't already saved the document. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: I'd love answers to this question as well. I had a document where I somehow deleted everything, but figured it wasn't a problem because I could just open a previous version. Well, I never did figure out how to do that. Fortunately, the good version of the file was still in dropbox and also on my PC, but this is 1 of the many reasons I just can't get comfortable with word processing on the mac. I don't like or understand this save a version thing, and wish that textedit worked the way it did under Snow Leopard. I probably wouldn't use it too much more than I do now, but I'd at least be willing to try if it behaved more logically. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Goodin, Donna Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:38 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? Hi all, I have a situation wherein I use a certain file in different situations. I would like the option to open the basic file, modify the content, and save it with a different filename. This used to be possible, but the only option I see now for saving documents is Save a Version, which uses the original filename. Does anyone know if there's some way to open a Save As dialog in Text Edit? On a related note, does anyone know if there's a way to view older versions of a file, i.e. could I open a version of this file before the last time I saved a version? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
You'll see I provided my findings on how to view and restore older versions of documents. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:46 PM, John Sanfilippo wrote: Hi Donna, I ponder this quite a lot and actually got some help from Accessibility at Apple. I'm not sure, but check the files menu or dialog for Save a copy. What I've been doing, when I can anticipate the need, is, while viewing the file from Finder, simply command c, command v to make a safe copy right there. Frankly, I am quite used to the prior way of doing things and would like to have that back and the ability to abandon edits if I fear having messed up too badly. As for seeing those other versions, I regret not being able to help there. Clear, concise input from anyone having knowledge of these matters is most welcome. Hth, John s - Original Message - From: Goodin, Donna To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:37 PM Subject: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? Hi all, I have a situation wherein I use a certain file in different situations. I would like the option to open the basic file, modify the content, and save it with a different filename. This used to be possible, but the only option I see now for saving documents is Save a Version, which uses the original filename. Does anyone know if there's some way to open a Save As dialog in Text Edit? On a related note, does anyone know if there's a way to view older versions of a file, i.e. could I open a version of this file before the last time I saved a version? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
Unless, you're working on a template. The document in question is a service contract. I modify the template for each client, and then save it adding the client's name. And that's just one reason one might want to save an existing file with a different name, but keep the original document. Cheers, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 4:31 PM, John Panarese wrote: Remember that Lion is moving to an iOS kind of interface. The resume feature in Lion is another example of this. So, with documents, they are automatically edited as you work on them, so there is no need to manually save them. . Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jan 4, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote: Thanks, John. God that's dumb, what on earth was Apple thinking? thanks anyway, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:59 PM, John Panarese wrote: There is no save as in Lion. This has to do with the version history feature. If you are working off a template or such, duplicate the document from the file menu and then do a command-s to save it with a new name. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote: Well, it is. Cmd-Shift S gives you nothing in Lion. Cheers, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:28 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: Well, in SL, command shift S gives you the save as dialog; I can't see why this would be different in Lion. • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
Hi John, I think what perplexes me is that I see absolutely no reason why Apple moving to an approach where you don't need to save files precludes keeping the Save As option. I agree with Ricardo that it's nice not to have to be always pressing CMD-S, but Save as addresses a different need, and it makes no sense to take it away. Ah, well, they're probably not going to ask me, so I guess I'll get off my soap-box. :) Cheers, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 4:46 PM, John Sanfilippo wrote: Hi Donna, I ponder this quite a lot and actually got some help from Accessibility at Apple. I'm not sure, but check the files menu or dialog for Save a copy. What I've been doing, when I can anticipate the need, is, while viewing the file from Finder, simply command c, command v to make a safe copy right there. Frankly, I am quite used to the prior way of doing things and would like to have that back and the ability to abandon edits if I fear having messed up too badly. As for seeing those other versions, I regret not being able to help there. Clear, concise input from anyone having knowledge of these matters is most welcome. Hth, John s - Original Message - From: Goodin, Donna To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:37 PM Subject: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? Hi all, I have a situation wherein I use a certain file in different situations. I would like the option to open the basic file, modify the content, and save it with a different filename. This used to be possible, but the only option I see now for saving documents is Save a Version, which uses the original filename. Does anyone know if there's some way to open a Save As dialog in Text Edit? On a related note, does anyone know if there's a way to view older versions of a file, i.e. could I open a version of this file before the last time I saved a version? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
Hi guys. People may have said this already, but let me tell you how I do it. I don't bother looking for versions any more unless I have to. These days, since I to do a lot of starting an original file, I a couple of ways of doing it. If I'm in Finder, I do command c on the original and command v to paste it. Then this makes a file with the original name on it plus the word copy. Then I just press enter on the new file, going to the end the file name and rename it. My file names like this are like the old ones but with new text on the end. If I'm in TextEdit, I do command a and select the text; command c to the clipboard; command n for a new file and then command v for pasting. This sounds like a lot of keystrokes, but it's really not. Oh, I save out this new file with whatever file name I want. Hey, at least if I get to save the file, it's somewhere on here. In my case they go to to the desktop. I kind of gather that sighted people love this new feature because they can quickly call up these versions with the mouse. So, don't be surprised if it doesn't get added to Windows someday. Regards, Gigi On Jan 4, 2012, at 1:37 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote: Hi all, I have a situation wherein I use a certain file in different situations. I would like the option to open the basic file, modify the content, and save it with a different filename. This used to be possible, but the only option I see now for saving documents is Save a Version, which uses the original filename. Does anyone know if there's some way to open a Save As dialog in Text Edit? On a related note, does anyone know if there's a way to view older versions of a file, i.e. could I open a version of this file before the last time I saved a version? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
Hi Dnna, Well, Duplicate kind of does the same thing with, perhaps, an extra step. Also, you can use the, Revert, dialog, to access the document history. Like anything else, I guess it's a matter of getting used to changes. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jan 4, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote: Hi John, I think what perplexes me is that I see absolutely no reason why Apple moving to an approach where you don't need to save files precludes keeping the Save As option. I agree with Ricardo that it's nice not to have to be always pressing CMD-S, but Save as addresses a different need, and it makes no sense to take it away. Ah, well, they're probably not going to ask me, so I guess I'll get off my soap-box. :) Cheers, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 4:46 PM, John Sanfilippo wrote: Hi Donna, I ponder this quite a lot and actually got some help from Accessibility at Apple. I'm not sure, but check the files menu or dialog for Save a copy. What I've been doing, when I can anticipate the need, is, while viewing the file from Finder, simply command c, command v to make a safe copy right there. Frankly, I am quite used to the prior way of doing things and would like to have that back and the ability to abandon edits if I fear having messed up too badly. As for seeing those other versions, I regret not being able to help there. Clear, concise input from anyone having knowledge of these matters is most welcome. Hth, John s - Original Message - From: Goodin, Donna To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:37 PM Subject: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? Hi all, I have a situation wherein I use a certain file in different situations. I would like the option to open the basic file, modify the content, and save it with a different filename. This used to be possible, but the only option I see now for saving documents is Save a Version, which uses the original filename. Does anyone know if there's some way to open a Save As dialog in Text Edit? On a related note, does anyone know if there's a way to view older versions of a file, i.e. could I open a version of this file before the last time I saved a version? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
Hi, I think you should write them and ask them to put it back. I don't think that would take much on their part. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote: Hi John, I think what perplexes me is that I see absolutely no reason why Apple moving to an approach where you don't need to save files precludes keeping the Save As option. I agree with Ricardo that it's nice not to have to be always pressing CMD-S, but Save as addresses a different need, and it makes no sense to take it away. Ah, well, they're probably not going to ask me, so I guess I'll get off my soap-box. :) Cheers, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 4:46 PM, John Sanfilippo wrote: Hi Donna, I ponder this quite a lot and actually got some help from Accessibility at Apple. I'm not sure, but check the files menu or dialog for Save a copy. What I've been doing, when I can anticipate the need, is, while viewing the file from Finder, simply command c, command v to make a safe copy right there. Frankly, I am quite used to the prior way of doing things and would like to have that back and the ability to abandon edits if I fear having messed up too badly. As for seeing those other versions, I regret not being able to help there. Clear, concise input from anyone having knowledge of these matters is most welcome. Hth, John s - Original Message - From: Goodin, Donna To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:37 PM Subject: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? Hi all, I have a situation wherein I use a certain file in different situations. I would like the option to open the basic file, modify the content, and save it with a different filename. This used to be possible, but the only option I see now for saving documents is Save a Version, which uses the original filename. Does anyone know if there's some way to open a Save As dialog in Text Edit? On a related note, does anyone know if there's a way to view older versions of a file, i.e. could I open a version of this file before the last time I saved a version? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
Hi everyone. Seems like a mountain is being made out of a mole hill here. The instructions given don't seem to be that difficult at all. Stop interacting with the text area, VO left to versions menu button and activating it, find the duplicate option and activating it, and finally saving the document with a new name. I think it just seems like more time than it'll actually take really. Just my thoughts, Matthew Campbell. On 2012-01-04, at 4:14 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Thank you for this information. It's helpful, but is beyond tedius. I wouldn't suppose Apple would consider restoring previous behavior? This versions thing is just too weird and cumbersome to be practical. Command s and command shift s should still be available in my opinion. This is another reason why I still prefer to use my PC over the mac for many tasks: while many things are technicly possible on the mac, it feels as though you have to jump through hoops to accomplish them. I mean, your message and Ray's above it show at least 5 steps for either saving a different version of a file or restoring 1. I'm sure that the process becomes second nature with practice, but it's just so much more complicated than in wordpad or even full MS word on the PC. Just my opinion of course, but I certainly appreciate you explaining how this whole procedure works under lion. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 4:05 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? Yup. I'm sorry Donna. I didn't read your post first so I thought you hadn't already saved the document. This is true there is no save as as we all know it but, here's what you do. stop interacting with the scroll area in text edit and navigate over to the versions menu button. In this menu choose duplicate. Here you will be able to rename or save the document in another format. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote: One correction, Ricardo. Command S saves a version. It does not give you a Save As Dialog. And, the document I'm talking about has already been saved, so I can't get to a Save As dialog by just closing the window. Cheers, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:42 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, all you have to do is press command S. There is really no mystery to this. Also, if you press command w to close the window, you will be presented with the save as dialog if you haven't already saved the document. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: I'd love answers to this question as well. I had a document where I somehow deleted everything, but figured it wasn't a problem because I could just open a previous version. Well, I never did figure out how to do that. Fortunately, the good version of the file was still in dropbox and also on my PC, but this is 1 of the many reasons I just can't get comfortable with word processing on the mac. I don't like or understand this save a version thing, and wish that textedit worked the way it did under Snow Leopard. I probably wouldn't use it too much more than I do now, but I'd at least be willing to try if it behaved more logically. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Goodin, Donna Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:38 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? Hi all, I have a situation wherein I use a certain file in different situations. I would like the option to open the basic file, modify the content, and save it with a different filename. This used to be possible, but the only option I see now for saving documents is Save a Version, which uses the original filename. Does anyone know if there's some way to open a Save As dialog in Text Edit? On a related note, does anyone know if there's a way to view older versions of a file, i.e. could I open a version of this file before the last time I saved a version? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email
RE: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
You're exactly right. I like that certain aspects of the mac are so consistent, but then, there are other things that simply drive me bananas. It depends on the tasks, and also your level of proficiency on either system. I'm just saying that from what I've read since joining this list, there are a number of tasks that just seem far more complicated than they need to be in mac land; this reverting to saved versions and saving in text edit are only the most recent examples. If I thought about it, I could probably provide more, but that's not relevant to this discussion. I think the bottom line is that it's all down to personal preference and what you as an individual are most comfortable with. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 4:36 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? I see your point in regards to save as. I personally find no longer having to constantly save my work quite liberating though. In the course of a days work, I will press command S to save my work way more than I will press command shift S to rename or change formats of a duplicate of said work. But I agree, there was really no reason to get rid of save as in the file menu. I don't know about the Mac being more or less cumbersome though. For example, to open settings or options in an application on windows, you will often have to find it in the menu bar some where. On The Mac, you just press command comma no matter what the application. Or lets say you want to change a sync setting in iTunes for your IOS device. You have to tab a bunch of times to the button you want for example, photos, select that then tab a bunch more times until you reach the area with the photo settings. On the Mac, you can use the item chooser to get you straight to photos and then straight to the scroll area with the settings. And once you've done this once, you can set hotspots to jump directly to these points by just pressing VO and a number if you so choose. That beats pressing tab 20 times in my opinion. lol. And then how about downloading an app? If its a DMG file, its just opening the file and copying the app from there to your apps folder. No pressing next 5 times and fooling with cursors to try to read what your agreeing to. If using the Mac app store, its just a matter of typing in your Apple ID and password and hitting enter. So, in short, its all relative. I'm sure you could think of a million and 1 things that windows or jaws might do more efficiently than the Mac or voiceover. I think it just depends on what the tasks one does with their computer. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 4:14 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Thank you for this information. It's helpful, but is beyond tedius. I wouldn't suppose Apple would consider restoring previous behavior? This versions thing is just too weird and cumbersome to be practical. Command s and command shift s should still be available in my opinion. This is another reason why I still prefer to use my PC over the mac for many tasks: while many things are technicly possible on the mac, it feels as though you have to jump through hoops to accomplish them. I mean, your message and Ray's above it show at least 5 steps for either saving a different version of a file or restoring 1. I'm sure that the process becomes second nature with practice, but it's just so much more complicated than in wordpad or even full MS word on the PC. Just my opinion of course, but I certainly appreciate you explaining how this whole procedure works under lion. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 4:05 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? Yup. I'm sorry Donna. I didn't read your post first so I thought you hadn't already saved the document. This is true there is no save as as we all know it but, here's what you do. stop interacting with the scroll area in text edit and navigate over to the versions menu button. In this menu choose duplicate. Here you will be able to rename or save the document in another format. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote: One correction, Ricardo. Command S saves a version. It does not give you a Save As Dialog. And, the document I'm talking about has already been saved, so I can't get to a Save As dialog by just closing the window. Cheers, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:42 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, all you have to do is press command S. There is really no
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
Hi Matthew, although this doesn't bother me, I think your missing the point. You really can't compare stop interacting, pressing VO right arrow about 5 times, and arrowing through a menu to do something to pressing command shift S. Does the first take long? No. But its much more to do, and its not very intuitive when compared to how things use to be. The real heart of the matter is, there was absolutely no need to get rid of save as. It has absolutely no baring on auto save. You don't take away things like that just for the sake of change. Especially when you replace it with a less efficient way of performing the same task. Its like having someone circle their block 3 times before entering there home just because they changed the locks. One have nothing to do with the other but, your made to do more work when you shouldn't have to. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: Hi everyone. Seems like a mountain is being made out of a mole hill here. The instructions given don't seem to be that difficult at all. Stop interacting with the text area, VO left to versions menu button and activating it, find the duplicate option and activating it, and finally saving the document with a new name. I think it just seems like more time than it'll actually take really. Just my thoughts, Matthew Campbell. On 2012-01-04, at 4:14 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Thank you for this information. It's helpful, but is beyond tedius. I wouldn't suppose Apple would consider restoring previous behavior? This versions thing is just too weird and cumbersome to be practical. Command s and command shift s should still be available in my opinion. This is another reason why I still prefer to use my PC over the mac for many tasks: while many things are technicly possible on the mac, it feels as though you have to jump through hoops to accomplish them. I mean, your message and Ray's above it show at least 5 steps for either saving a different version of a file or restoring 1. I'm sure that the process becomes second nature with practice, but it's just so much more complicated than in wordpad or even full MS word on the PC. Just my opinion of course, but I certainly appreciate you explaining how this whole procedure works under lion. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 4:05 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? Yup. I'm sorry Donna. I didn't read your post first so I thought you hadn't already saved the document. This is true there is no save as as we all know it but, here's what you do. stop interacting with the scroll area in text edit and navigate over to the versions menu button. In this menu choose duplicate. Here you will be able to rename or save the document in another format. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote: One correction, Ricardo. Command S saves a version. It does not give you a Save As Dialog. And, the document I'm talking about has already been saved, so I can't get to a Save As dialog by just closing the window. Cheers, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:42 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, all you have to do is press command S. There is really no mystery to this. Also, if you press command w to close the window, you will be presented with the save as dialog if you haven't already saved the document. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: I'd love answers to this question as well. I had a document where I somehow deleted everything, but figured it wasn't a problem because I could just open a previous version. Well, I never did figure out how to do that. Fortunately, the good version of the file was still in dropbox and also on my PC, but this is 1 of the many reasons I just can't get comfortable with word processing on the mac. I don't like or understand this save a version thing, and wish that textedit worked the way it did under Snow Leopard. I probably wouldn't use it too much more than I do now, but I'd at least be willing to try if it behaved more logically. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Goodin, Donna Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:38 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? Hi all, I have a situation wherein I use a certain file in different situations. I would like the option to open the basic file, modify the content, and
RE: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
Brilliantly stated, Ricardo; I could not agree with you more. I am amazed at how some cannot resist the urge to assert that the Mac/VoiceOver is superior to Windows/Jaws/insert name of screen reader here or vice versa. As you eloquently put it, it is a matter of perspective. As for me, I am so great that, for the first time in history, we have choices. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 1:36 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? I see your point in regards to save as. I personally find no longer having to constantly save my work quite liberating though. In the course of a days work, I will press command S to save my work way more than I will press command shift S to rename or change formats of a duplicate of said work. But I agree, there was really no reason to get rid of save as in the file menu. I don't know about the Mac being more or less cumbersome though. For example, to open settings or options in an application on windows, you will often have to find it in the menu bar some where. On The Mac, you just press command comma no matter what the application. Or lets say you want to change a sync setting in iTunes for your IOS device. You have to tab a bunch of times to the button you want for example, photos, select that then tab a bunch more times until you reach the area with the photo settings. On the Mac, you can use the item chooser to get you straight to photos and then straight to the scroll area with the settings. And once you've done this once, you can set hotspots to jump directly to these points by just pressing VO and a number if you so choose. That beats pressing tab 20 times in my opinion. lol. And then how about downloading an app? If its a DMG file, its just opening the file and copying the app from there to your apps folder. No pressing next 5 times and fooling with cursors to try to read what your agreeing to. If using the Mac app store, its just a matter of typing in your Apple ID and password and hitting enter. So, in short, its all relative. I'm sure you could think of a million and 1 things that windows or jaws might do more efficiently than the Mac or voiceover. I think it just depends on what the tasks one does with their computer. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 4:14 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Thank you for this information. It's helpful, but is beyond tedius. I wouldn't suppose Apple would consider restoring previous behavior? This versions thing is just too weird and cumbersome to be practical. Command s and command shift s should still be available in my opinion. This is another reason why I still prefer to use my PC over the mac for many tasks: while many things are technicly possible on the mac, it feels as though you have to jump through hoops to accomplish them. I mean, your message and Ray's above it show at least 5 steps for either saving a different version of a file or restoring 1. I'm sure that the process becomes second nature with practice, but it's just so much more complicated than in wordpad or even full MS word on the PC. Just my opinion of course, but I certainly appreciate you explaining how this whole procedure works under lion. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 4:05 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? Yup. I'm sorry Donna. I didn't read your post first so I thought you hadn't already saved the document. This is true there is no save as as we all know it but, here's what you do. stop interacting with the scroll area in text edit and navigate over to the versions menu button. In this menu choose duplicate. Here you will be able to rename or save the document in another format. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote: One correction, Ricardo. Command S saves a version. It does not give you a Save As Dialog. And, the document I'm talking about has already been saved, so I can't get to a Save As dialog by just closing the window. Cheers, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:42 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, all you have to do is press command S. There is really no mystery to this. Also, if you press command w to close the window, you will be presented with the save as dialog if you haven't already saved the document. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: I'd love answers to this question as well. I
Re: Switching to a Mac from PC
Hi, As a newish user of mac, and someone who rely heavily on PDFs for research and work purposes, i haven't come across any pdf issue. i suppose something we need to understand, the issue is not with screenreader itself, is with the image of the pdf itself. If you have a scann image pdf file, regardless you use jaws, windoweyes, nvda, system access or voiceover, unless you have an OCR, otherwise the problem will still exist. However, i must say, from my pass months experience, voiceover and include the IOS Voiceover, seems to be the best screen reader when dealing with pdf. It is not fair to compare Jaws or NVDA with Voiceover. you are kind of comparing orrange and lemon, deciding what is better for you. Regardless of what the arguements are, Jaws does slow things down rapitly. You won't realize until you have a sighted person uses the same computer as you do, turn your screenreader off, and have a go on that. Even in some case, NVDA is more faster and supirial compare to jaws. Same with any other screen reader, it does slow things down, just depends on if its in 0.001 second for voiceover or 1.00 second for jaws. Just my 0.2 sense of thoughts Cheers Joanne On 05/01/2012, matthew Dyer matthewd...@columbus.rr.com wrote: Hi, I have been using my mac mini full time for quite some time now and I fimnd it to be useful for what I do even though there times I still wish I had a pc for things like sauving captches in firefox since ff is not accessible on the mac and never will be I gather. I am still try to get dropbox to work on this machine here and have not been secessful so far. it would also be nice to have a pc around for playing around with vinux, but that is a small thing since i can not afford vmware fusion at the moment.Just my thoughts. Matthew On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get comfortable with any of the word processing options, and since I've been using a PC for close to 25 years, I'm always going to be more comfortable on a windows platform. One of my favorite activities, especially while I'm unemployed, is playing games, and while I'm thrilled that the RS games client works on the mac, there aren't any other options. I'm still hoping for a truly accessible mud client; if atlantis is accessible, I sure haven't figured out how to make it speak automatically. My other major task is writing/editing a story I've been working on for several years now. I just can't get comfortable working on my files using the mac, so just keep using good old wordpad on the PC. Since it cost me so much money, I have chosen to use the mac for things that either don't work or I don't want to mess with on my PC: adium, skype, itunes, and a couple of other similar things that I can't remember at the moment. I figure that the mac is a lot easier to fix if something goes wrong, and that's definitely something I'll give Apple credit for; you can install the operating system without any sighted assistance, and with carbon copy cloner and time machine, it's easy to restore your machine on the off chance that something catastrophic happens. Another thing that I really love about the mac is Growl. It essensially reads things that happen in the system tray: changes in dropbox files for example. That's 1 thing my PC can't do, or if it can, I don't know how to set it up, so the mac is really awesome in that respect. With all that being said, however, while I certainly like my mac a lot more than I did when I first bought it, to be perfectly honest, there's still a rather big part of me that regrets the purchase. I eventually hope to get bootcamp and/or VM fusion up and running, but so far, that just hasn't happened. I hope this makes at least a little sense and that it helps you in your decision. Sadly, I can't comment on the large print side of things, but I've become moderately comfortable with using Voiceover. Good luck in whatever decision you make, and I hope this helps you out at least a little. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 8:01 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Switching to a Mac from PC I got a Mini after hearing nothing but great things about the Mac and VoiceOver. I can honestly say that I regret the decision. I never understood editing, my system seemed sluggish compared to NVDA with Windows, and web browsing is slow on the Mac when using vo. Also, a lot of what I do on the pc is audio gaming, and not so much as a good, accessible version of Solitaire is available on the Mac, let alone shooting, strategy, or other intensively audio games. I am still willing to admit that a good, long
Re: Switching to a Mac from PC
I feel it is only fair to mention that jaws13 and the development versions of nvda both include OCR, so a scanned image can be read for the most part. VO does not have this feature, and I think it would be a good idea for those who would find it useful to email accessibil...@apple.com to point out this shortcoming. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from my iPod) mehg...@gmail.com; //facebook.com/mehgcap On Jan 4, 2012, at 19:57, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, As a newish user of mac, and someone who rely heavily on PDFs for research and work purposes, i haven't come across any pdf issue. i suppose something we need to understand, the issue is not with screenreader itself, is with the image of the pdf itself. If you have a scann image pdf file, regardless you use jaws, windoweyes, nvda, system access or voiceover, unless you have an OCR, otherwise the problem will still exist. However, i must say, from my pass months experience, voiceover and include the IOS Voiceover, seems to be the best screen reader when dealing with pdf. It is not fair to compare Jaws or NVDA with Voiceover. you are kind of comparing orrange and lemon, deciding what is better for you. Regardless of what the arguements are, Jaws does slow things down rapitly. You won't realize until you have a sighted person uses the same computer as you do, turn your screenreader off, and have a go on that. Even in some case, NVDA is more faster and supirial compare to jaws. Same with any other screen reader, it does slow things down, just depends on if its in 0.001 second for voiceover or 1.00 second for jaws. Just my 0.2 sense of thoughts Cheers Joanne On 05/01/2012, matthew Dyer matthewd...@columbus.rr.com wrote: Hi, I have been using my mac mini full time for quite some time now and I fimnd it to be useful for what I do even though there times I still wish I had a pc for things like sauving captches in firefox since ff is not accessible on the mac and never will be I gather. I am still try to get dropbox to work on this machine here and have not been secessful so far. it would also be nice to have a pc around for playing around with vinux, but that is a small thing since i can not afford vmware fusion at the moment.Just my thoughts. Matthew On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get comfortable with any of the word processing options, and since I've been using a PC for close to 25 years, I'm always going to be more comfortable on a windows platform. One of my favorite activities, especially while I'm unemployed, is playing games, and while I'm thrilled that the RS games client works on the mac, there aren't any other options. I'm still hoping for a truly accessible mud client; if atlantis is accessible, I sure haven't figured out how to make it speak automatically. My other major task is writing/editing a story I've been working on for several years now. I just can't get comfortable working on my files using the mac, so just keep using good old wordpad on the PC. Since it cost me so much money, I have chosen to use the mac for things that either don't work or I don't want to mess with on my PC: adium, skype, itunes, and a couple of other similar things that I can't remember at the moment. I figure that the mac is a lot easier to fix if something goes wrong, and that's definitely something I'll give Apple credit for; you can install the operating system without any sighted assistance, and with carbon copy cloner and time machine, it's easy to restore your machine on the off chance that something catastrophic happens. Another thing that I really love about the mac is Growl. It essensially reads things that happen in the system tray: changes in dropbox files for example. That's 1 thing my PC can't do, or if it can, I don't know how to set it up, so the mac is really awesome in that respect. With all that being said, however, while I certainly like my mac a lot more than I did when I first bought it, to be perfectly honest, there's still a rather big part of me that regrets the purchase. I eventually hope to get bootcamp and/or VM fusion up and running, but so far, that just hasn't happened. I hope this makes at least a little sense and that it helps you in your decision. Sadly, I can't comment on the large print side of things, but I've become moderately comfortable with using Voiceover. Good luck in whatever decision you make, and I hope this helps you out at least a little. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 8:01 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Switching to a Mac from PC
Re: Switching to a Mac from PC
I'm somewhat doubtful about jaws13 OCR capability. Have not heard any good news on their beta so far. But doesn't matter, knowing Freedom scintific, they will soon relist some sort of upgreat so people will pay for it, and if its not working, relist another upgreat. that is just the way they work. For those who have experience, do you see any major improvement from jaws10, 11, and 12? hardly. beside the 64bids and window7 business. and i have more problem with jaws12 than ever. On 05/01/2012, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: I feel it is only fair to mention that jaws13 and the development versions of nvda both include OCR, so a scanned image can be read for the most part. VO does not have this feature, and I think it would be a good idea for those who would find it useful to email accessibil...@apple.com to point out this shortcoming. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from my iPod) mehg...@gmail.com; //facebook.com/mehgcap On Jan 4, 2012, at 19:57, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, As a newish user of mac, and someone who rely heavily on PDFs for research and work purposes, i haven't come across any pdf issue. i suppose something we need to understand, the issue is not with screenreader itself, is with the image of the pdf itself. If you have a scann image pdf file, regardless you use jaws, windoweyes, nvda, system access or voiceover, unless you have an OCR, otherwise the problem will still exist. However, i must say, from my pass months experience, voiceover and include the IOS Voiceover, seems to be the best screen reader when dealing with pdf. It is not fair to compare Jaws or NVDA with Voiceover. you are kind of comparing orrange and lemon, deciding what is better for you. Regardless of what the arguements are, Jaws does slow things down rapitly. You won't realize until you have a sighted person uses the same computer as you do, turn your screenreader off, and have a go on that. Even in some case, NVDA is more faster and supirial compare to jaws. Same with any other screen reader, it does slow things down, just depends on if its in 0.001 second for voiceover or 1.00 second for jaws. Just my 0.2 sense of thoughts Cheers Joanne On 05/01/2012, matthew Dyer matthewd...@columbus.rr.com wrote: Hi, I have been using my mac mini full time for quite some time now and I fimnd it to be useful for what I do even though there times I still wish I had a pc for things like sauving captches in firefox since ff is not accessible on the mac and never will be I gather. I am still try to get dropbox to work on this machine here and have not been secessful so far. it would also be nice to have a pc around for playing around with vinux, but that is a small thing since i can not afford vmware fusion at the moment.Just my thoughts. Matthew On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get comfortable with any of the word processing options, and since I've been using a PC for close to 25 years, I'm always going to be more comfortable on a windows platform. One of my favorite activities, especially while I'm unemployed, is playing games, and while I'm thrilled that the RS games client works on the mac, there aren't any other options. I'm still hoping for a truly accessible mud client; if atlantis is accessible, I sure haven't figured out how to make it speak automatically. My other major task is writing/editing a story I've been working on for several years now. I just can't get comfortable working on my files using the mac, so just keep using good old wordpad on the PC. Since it cost me so much money, I have chosen to use the mac for things that either don't work or I don't want to mess with on my PC: adium, skype, itunes, and a couple of other similar things that I can't remember at the moment. I figure that the mac is a lot easier to fix if something goes wrong, and that's definitely something I'll give Apple credit for; you can install the operating system without any sighted assistance, and with carbon copy cloner and time machine, it's easy to restore your machine on the off chance that something catastrophic happens. Another thing that I really love about the mac is Growl. It essensially reads things that happen in the system tray: changes in dropbox files for example. That's 1 thing my PC can't do, or if it can, I don't know how to set it up, so the mac is really awesome in that respect. With all that being said, however, while I certainly like my mac a lot more than I did when I first bought it, to be perfectly honest, there's still a rather big part of me that regrets the purchase. I eventually hope to get bootcamp and/or VM fusion up and running, but so far, that just hasn't happened. I hope this
book readers and voiceover?
greetings all, *yes!* I know that one can use the adobe digital thing, but that is not my question. In a way its rooted in seeking some broader accessibility, I seem to attract such incidents. If one just wants to read, i. e. not get a phone for this purpose, but wants a stand alone book reader, 1, is anything at all accessible? Kendal, nook, or here in Canada kobo? I actually no the latter is not according to the very embarrassed manager who unfortunately met with my question. 2, how about the software itself? The above referenced manager at a chapters store said, oh but the program works on *any* computerI feel sure she will never make that mistake again. Seriously though when I explained the need, apparently their program may only work with windows in general, and no one has a clue about access, she reached out to the chapter's regional manager, who is calling me this week. I would like to give him an idea based on what is technically his competition, at least the Kendal, as there are no Barnes and Noble stores in Canada. Still I am interested in the nook as a reader and its software if anyone knows. How do these programs work with voiceover? Granted too I tend to get lost in the offerings, but does apple not make its own stand alone book reader, which I suppose is vo friendly? thanks as always, Karen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
OT: OCR in screen readers (was Switching to a Mac from PC)
I am not sure about jaws since I have nvda. I do agree that the payment cycle for jaws is ridiculous. While I have not yet had reason to test out the ocr in nvda, I have heard that it is easier to use and just as accurate as the one in jaws. In any case, vo ioes not have it, and I think it should. For instance, I have heard of people using ocr to access dvd menus or inaccessible installers. While installers seem to always be accessible on the mac, I know viewing dvds can't be accessible and so ocr would help there. On 1/4/12, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: I'm somewhat doubtful about jaws13 OCR capability. Have not heard any good news on their beta so far. But doesn't matter, knowing Freedom scintific, they will soon relist some sort of upgreat so people will pay for it, and if its not working, relist another upgreat. that is just the way they work. For those who have experience, do you see any major improvement from jaws10, 11, and 12? hardly. beside the 64bids and window7 business. and i have more problem with jaws12 than ever. On 05/01/2012, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: I feel it is only fair to mention that jaws13 and the development versions of nvda both include OCR, so a scanned image can be read for the most part. VO does not have this feature, and I think it would be a good idea for those who would find it useful to email accessibil...@apple.com to point out this shortcoming. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from my iPod) mehg...@gmail.com; //facebook.com/mehgcap On Jan 4, 2012, at 19:57, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, As a newish user of mac, and someone who rely heavily on PDFs for research and work purposes, i haven't come across any pdf issue. i suppose something we need to understand, the issue is not with screenreader itself, is with the image of the pdf itself. If you have a scann image pdf file, regardless you use jaws, windoweyes, nvda, system access or voiceover, unless you have an OCR, otherwise the problem will still exist. However, i must say, from my pass months experience, voiceover and include the IOS Voiceover, seems to be the best screen reader when dealing with pdf. It is not fair to compare Jaws or NVDA with Voiceover. you are kind of comparing orrange and lemon, deciding what is better for you. Regardless of what the arguements are, Jaws does slow things down rapitly. You won't realize until you have a sighted person uses the same computer as you do, turn your screenreader off, and have a go on that. Even in some case, NVDA is more faster and supirial compare to jaws. Same with any other screen reader, it does slow things down, just depends on if its in 0.001 second for voiceover or 1.00 second for jaws. Just my 0.2 sense of thoughts Cheers Joanne On 05/01/2012, matthew Dyer matthewd...@columbus.rr.com wrote: Hi, I have been using my mac mini full time for quite some time now and I fimnd it to be useful for what I do even though there times I still wish I had a pc for things like sauving captches in firefox since ff is not accessible on the mac and never will be I gather. I am still try to get dropbox to work on this machine here and have not been secessful so far. it would also be nice to have a pc around for playing around with vinux, but that is a small thing since i can not afford vmware fusion at the moment.Just my thoughts. Matthew On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get comfortable with any of the word processing options, and since I've been using a PC for close to 25 years, I'm always going to be more comfortable on a windows platform. One of my favorite activities, especially while I'm unemployed, is playing games, and while I'm thrilled that the RS games client works on the mac, there aren't any other options. I'm still hoping for a truly accessible mud client; if atlantis is accessible, I sure haven't figured out how to make it speak automatically. My other major task is writing/editing a story I've been working on for several years now. I just can't get comfortable working on my files using the mac, so just keep using good old wordpad on the PC. Since it cost me so much money, I have chosen to use the mac for things that either don't work or I don't want to mess with on my PC: adium, skype, itunes, and a couple of other similar things that I can't remember at the moment. I figure that the mac is a lot easier to fix if something goes wrong, and that's definitely something I'll give Apple credit for; you can install the operating system without any sighted assistance, and with carbon copy cloner and time machine, it's easy to restore your machine on the off chance that something catastrophic happens. Another thing that I
Re: Switching to a Mac from PC
lol, short coming? It was only a short coming as of what, 2 months ago? It is a nice feature but I wouldn't call the lack of it a short coming. JMO. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:28 PM, Alex Hall wrote: I feel it is only fair to mention that jaws13 and the development versions of nvda both include OCR, so a scanned image can be read for the most part. VO does not have this feature, and I think it would be a good idea for those who would find it useful to email accessibil...@apple.com to point out this shortcoming. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from my iPod) mehg...@gmail.com; //facebook.com/mehgcap On Jan 4, 2012, at 19:57, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, As a newish user of mac, and someone who rely heavily on PDFs for research and work purposes, i haven't come across any pdf issue. i suppose something we need to understand, the issue is not with screenreader itself, is with the image of the pdf itself. If you have a scann image pdf file, regardless you use jaws, windoweyes, nvda, system access or voiceover, unless you have an OCR, otherwise the problem will still exist. However, i must say, from my pass months experience, voiceover and include the IOS Voiceover, seems to be the best screen reader when dealing with pdf. It is not fair to compare Jaws or NVDA with Voiceover. you are kind of comparing orrange and lemon, deciding what is better for you. Regardless of what the arguements are, Jaws does slow things down rapitly. You won't realize until you have a sighted person uses the same computer as you do, turn your screenreader off, and have a go on that. Even in some case, NVDA is more faster and supirial compare to jaws. Same with any other screen reader, it does slow things down, just depends on if its in 0.001 second for voiceover or 1.00 second for jaws. Just my 0.2 sense of thoughts Cheers Joanne On 05/01/2012, matthew Dyer matthewd...@columbus.rr.com wrote: Hi, I have been using my mac mini full time for quite some time now and I fimnd it to be useful for what I do even though there times I still wish I had a pc for things like sauving captches in firefox since ff is not accessible on the mac and never will be I gather. I am still try to get dropbox to work on this machine here and have not been secessful so far. it would also be nice to have a pc around for playing around with vinux, but that is a small thing since i can not afford vmware fusion at the moment.Just my thoughts. Matthew On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get comfortable with any of the word processing options, and since I've been using a PC for close to 25 years, I'm always going to be more comfortable on a windows platform. One of my favorite activities, especially while I'm unemployed, is playing games, and while I'm thrilled that the RS games client works on the mac, there aren't any other options. I'm still hoping for a truly accessible mud client; if atlantis is accessible, I sure haven't figured out how to make it speak automatically. My other major task is writing/editing a story I've been working on for several years now. I just can't get comfortable working on my files using the mac, so just keep using good old wordpad on the PC. Since it cost me so much money, I have chosen to use the mac for things that either don't work or I don't want to mess with on my PC: adium, skype, itunes, and a couple of other similar things that I can't remember at the moment. I figure that the mac is a lot easier to fix if something goes wrong, and that's definitely something I'll give Apple credit for; you can install the operating system without any sighted assistance, and with carbon copy cloner and time machine, it's easy to restore your machine on the off chance that something catastrophic happens. Another thing that I really love about the mac is Growl. It essensially reads things that happen in the system tray: changes in dropbox files for example. That's 1 thing my PC can't do, or if it can, I don't know how to set it up, so the mac is really awesome in that respect. With all that being said, however, while I certainly like my mac a lot more than I did when I first bought it, to be perfectly honest, there's still a rather big part of me that regrets the purchase. I eventually hope to get bootcamp and/or VM fusion up and running, but so far, that just hasn't happened. I hope this makes at least a little sense and that it helps you in your decision. Sadly, I can't comment on the large print side of things, but I've become moderately comfortable with using Voiceover. Good luck in whatever decision you make, and I hope this
Re: book readers and voiceover?
Hi, The kindle keyboard is accessible. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: greetings all, *yes!* I know that one can use the adobe digital thing, but that is not my question. In a way its rooted in seeking some broader accessibility, I seem to attract such incidents. If one just wants to read, i. e. not get a phone for this purpose, but wants a stand alone book reader, 1, is anything at all accessible? Kendal, nook, or here in Canada kobo? I actually no the latter is not according to the very embarrassed manager who unfortunately met with my question. 2, how about the software itself? The above referenced manager at a chapters store said, oh but the program works on *any* computerI feel sure she will never make that mistake again. Seriously though when I explained the need, apparently their program may only work with windows in general, and no one has a clue about access, she reached out to the chapter's regional manager, who is calling me this week. I would like to give him an idea based on what is technically his competition, at least the Kendal, as there are no Barnes and Noble stores in Canada. Still I am interested in the nook as a reader and its software if anyone knows. How do these programs work with voiceover? Granted too I tend to get lost in the offerings, but does apple not make its own stand alone book reader, which I suppose is vo friendly? thanks as always, Karen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Switching to a Mac from PC
A good point. I guess I mean that, now that it is here, it is a feature that will quickly become a staple; if something is inaccessible, you can now ocr it and usually end up making it accessible despite itself. On 1/4/12, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: lol, short coming? It was only a short coming as of what, 2 months ago? It is a nice feature but I wouldn't call the lack of it a short coming. JMO. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:28 PM, Alex Hall wrote: I feel it is only fair to mention that jaws13 and the development versions of nvda both include OCR, so a scanned image can be read for the most part. VO does not have this feature, and I think it would be a good idea for those who would find it useful to email accessibil...@apple.com to point out this shortcoming. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from my iPod) mehg...@gmail.com; //facebook.com/mehgcap On Jan 4, 2012, at 19:57, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, As a newish user of mac, and someone who rely heavily on PDFs for research and work purposes, i haven't come across any pdf issue. i suppose something we need to understand, the issue is not with screenreader itself, is with the image of the pdf itself. If you have a scann image pdf file, regardless you use jaws, windoweyes, nvda, system access or voiceover, unless you have an OCR, otherwise the problem will still exist. However, i must say, from my pass months experience, voiceover and include the IOS Voiceover, seems to be the best screen reader when dealing with pdf. It is not fair to compare Jaws or NVDA with Voiceover. you are kind of comparing orrange and lemon, deciding what is better for you. Regardless of what the arguements are, Jaws does slow things down rapitly. You won't realize until you have a sighted person uses the same computer as you do, turn your screenreader off, and have a go on that. Even in some case, NVDA is more faster and supirial compare to jaws. Same with any other screen reader, it does slow things down, just depends on if its in 0.001 second for voiceover or 1.00 second for jaws. Just my 0.2 sense of thoughts Cheers Joanne On 05/01/2012, matthew Dyer matthewd...@columbus.rr.com wrote: Hi, I have been using my mac mini full time for quite some time now and I fimnd it to be useful for what I do even though there times I still wish I had a pc for things like sauving captches in firefox since ff is not accessible on the mac and never will be I gather. I am still try to get dropbox to work on this machine here and have not been secessful so far. it would also be nice to have a pc around for playing around with vinux, but that is a small thing since i can not afford vmware fusion at the moment.Just my thoughts. Matthew On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get comfortable with any of the word processing options, and since I've been using a PC for close to 25 years, I'm always going to be more comfortable on a windows platform. One of my favorite activities, especially while I'm unemployed, is playing games, and while I'm thrilled that the RS games client works on the mac, there aren't any other options. I'm still hoping for a truly accessible mud client; if atlantis is accessible, I sure haven't figured out how to make it speak automatically. My other major task is writing/editing a story I've been working on for several years now. I just can't get comfortable working on my files using the mac, so just keep using good old wordpad on the PC. Since it cost me so much money, I have chosen to use the mac for things that either don't work or I don't want to mess with on my PC: adium, skype, itunes, and a couple of other similar things that I can't remember at the moment. I figure that the mac is a lot easier to fix if something goes wrong, and that's definitely something I'll give Apple credit for; you can install the operating system without any sighted assistance, and with carbon copy cloner and time machine, it's easy to restore your machine on the off chance that something catastrophic happens. Another thing that I really love about the mac is Growl. It essensially reads things that happen in the system tray: changes in dropbox files for example. That's 1 thing my PC can't do, or if it can, I don't know how to set it up, so the mac is really awesome in that respect. With all that being said, however, while I certainly like my mac a lot more than I did when I first bought it, to be perfectly honest, there's still a rather big part of me that regrets the purchase. I eventually hope to get bootcamp and/or VM fusion up and running, but so far, that just hasn't
Re: Switching to a Mac from PC
Agreed, I think this will definitely be a staple of all major screen readers in the future. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 10:47 PM, Alex Hall wrote: A good point. I guess I mean that, now that it is here, it is a feature that will quickly become a staple; if something is inaccessible, you can now ocr it and usually end up making it accessible despite itself. On 1/4/12, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: lol, short coming? It was only a short coming as of what, 2 months ago? It is a nice feature but I wouldn't call the lack of it a short coming. JMO. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:28 PM, Alex Hall wrote: I feel it is only fair to mention that jaws13 and the development versions of nvda both include OCR, so a scanned image can be read for the most part. VO does not have this feature, and I think it would be a good idea for those who would find it useful to email accessibil...@apple.com to point out this shortcoming. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from my iPod) mehg...@gmail.com; //facebook.com/mehgcap On Jan 4, 2012, at 19:57, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, As a newish user of mac, and someone who rely heavily on PDFs for research and work purposes, i haven't come across any pdf issue. i suppose something we need to understand, the issue is not with screenreader itself, is with the image of the pdf itself. If you have a scann image pdf file, regardless you use jaws, windoweyes, nvda, system access or voiceover, unless you have an OCR, otherwise the problem will still exist. However, i must say, from my pass months experience, voiceover and include the IOS Voiceover, seems to be the best screen reader when dealing with pdf. It is not fair to compare Jaws or NVDA with Voiceover. you are kind of comparing orrange and lemon, deciding what is better for you. Regardless of what the arguements are, Jaws does slow things down rapitly. You won't realize until you have a sighted person uses the same computer as you do, turn your screenreader off, and have a go on that. Even in some case, NVDA is more faster and supirial compare to jaws. Same with any other screen reader, it does slow things down, just depends on if its in 0.001 second for voiceover or 1.00 second for jaws. Just my 0.2 sense of thoughts Cheers Joanne On 05/01/2012, matthew Dyer matthewd...@columbus.rr.com wrote: Hi, I have been using my mac mini full time for quite some time now and I fimnd it to be useful for what I do even though there times I still wish I had a pc for things like sauving captches in firefox since ff is not accessible on the mac and never will be I gather. I am still try to get dropbox to work on this machine here and have not been secessful so far. it would also be nice to have a pc around for playing around with vinux, but that is a small thing since i can not afford vmware fusion at the moment.Just my thoughts. Matthew On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get comfortable with any of the word processing options, and since I've been using a PC for close to 25 years, I'm always going to be more comfortable on a windows platform. One of my favorite activities, especially while I'm unemployed, is playing games, and while I'm thrilled that the RS games client works on the mac, there aren't any other options. I'm still hoping for a truly accessible mud client; if atlantis is accessible, I sure haven't figured out how to make it speak automatically. My other major task is writing/editing a story I've been working on for several years now. I just can't get comfortable working on my files using the mac, so just keep using good old wordpad on the PC. Since it cost me so much money, I have chosen to use the mac for things that either don't work or I don't want to mess with on my PC: adium, skype, itunes, and a couple of other similar things that I can't remember at the moment. I figure that the mac is a lot easier to fix if something goes wrong, and that's definitely something I'll give Apple credit for; you can install the operating system without any sighted assistance, and with carbon copy cloner and time machine, it's easy to restore your machine on the off chance that something catastrophic happens. Another thing that I really love about the mac is Growl. It essensially reads things that happen in the system tray: changes in dropbox files for example. That's 1 thing my PC can't do, or if it can, I don't know how to set it up, so the mac is really awesome in that respect. With all that being said, however, while I certainly
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
Bless you, Ricardo!!! lol Cheers, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi Matthew, although this doesn't bother me, I think your missing the point. You really can't compare stop interacting, pressing VO right arrow about 5 times, and arrowing through a menu to do something to pressing command shift S. Does the first take long? No. But its much more to do, and its not very intuitive when compared to how things use to be. The real heart of the matter is, there was absolutely no need to get rid of save as. It has absolutely no baring on auto save. You don't take away things like that just for the sake of change. Especially when you replace it with a less efficient way of performing the same task. Its like having someone circle their block 3 times before entering there home just because they changed the locks. One have nothing to do with the other but, your made to do more work when you shouldn't have to. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: Hi everyone. Seems like a mountain is being made out of a mole hill here. The instructions given don't seem to be that difficult at all. Stop interacting with the text area, VO left to versions menu button and activating it, find the duplicate option and activating it, and finally saving the document with a new name. I think it just seems like more time than it'll actually take really. Just my thoughts, Matthew Campbell. On 2012-01-04, at 4:14 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Thank you for this information. It's helpful, but is beyond tedius. I wouldn't suppose Apple would consider restoring previous behavior? This versions thing is just too weird and cumbersome to be practical. Command s and command shift s should still be available in my opinion. This is another reason why I still prefer to use my PC over the mac for many tasks: while many things are technicly possible on the mac, it feels as though you have to jump through hoops to accomplish them. I mean, your message and Ray's above it show at least 5 steps for either saving a different version of a file or restoring 1. I'm sure that the process becomes second nature with practice, but it's just so much more complicated than in wordpad or even full MS word on the PC. Just my opinion of course, but I certainly appreciate you explaining how this whole procedure works under lion. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 4:05 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? Yup. I'm sorry Donna. I didn't read your post first so I thought you hadn't already saved the document. This is true there is no save as as we all know it but, here's what you do. stop interacting with the scroll area in text edit and navigate over to the versions menu button. In this menu choose duplicate. Here you will be able to rename or save the document in another format. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote: One correction, Ricardo. Command S saves a version. It does not give you a Save As Dialog. And, the document I'm talking about has already been saved, so I can't get to a Save As dialog by just closing the window. Cheers, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:42 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, all you have to do is press command S. There is really no mystery to this. Also, if you press command w to close the window, you will be presented with the save as dialog if you haven't already saved the document. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: I'd love answers to this question as well. I had a document where I somehow deleted everything, but figured it wasn't a problem because I could just open a previous version. Well, I never did figure out how to do that. Fortunately, the good version of the file was still in dropbox and also on my PC, but this is 1 of the many reasons I just can't get comfortable with word processing on the mac. I don't like or understand this save a version thing, and wish that textedit worked the way it did under Snow Leopard. I probably wouldn't use it too much more than I do now, but I'd at least be willing to try if it behaved more logically. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Goodin, Donna Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:38 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? Hi all, I have a situation wherein I use
Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?
I'm going to. :) Cheers, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I think you should write them and ask them to put it back. I don't think that would take much on their part. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote: Hi John, I think what perplexes me is that I see absolutely no reason why Apple moving to an approach where you don't need to save files precludes keeping the Save As option. I agree with Ricardo that it's nice not to have to be always pressing CMD-S, but Save as addresses a different need, and it makes no sense to take it away. Ah, well, they're probably not going to ask me, so I guess I'll get off my soap-box. :) Cheers, Donna On Jan 4, 2012, at 4:46 PM, John Sanfilippo wrote: Hi Donna, I ponder this quite a lot and actually got some help from Accessibility at Apple. I'm not sure, but check the files menu or dialog for Save a copy. What I've been doing, when I can anticipate the need, is, while viewing the file from Finder, simply command c, command v to make a safe copy right there. Frankly, I am quite used to the prior way of doing things and would like to have that back and the ability to abandon edits if I fear having messed up too badly. As for seeing those other versions, I regret not being able to help there. Clear, concise input from anyone having knowledge of these matters is most welcome. Hth, John s - Original Message - From: Goodin, Donna To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:37 PM Subject: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit? Hi all, I have a situation wherein I use a certain file in different situations. I would like the option to open the basic file, modify the content, and save it with a different filename. This used to be possible, but the only option I see now for saving documents is Save a Version, which uses the original filename. Does anyone know if there's some way to open a Save As dialog in Text Edit? On a related note, does anyone know if there's a way to view older versions of a file, i.e. could I open a version of this file before the last time I saved a version? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: book readers and voiceover?
The Kindle keyboard is sort of accessible. The Nook is totally not accessible. Apple does not have a stand alone reader, but IBooks on the Idevices is very accessible. Kindle for pc with accessibility plug in is sort of accessible, that is, you can read books but you can't do the sort of navigation you'd need to do if you want to use it, say, as a student for reviewing line by line or word by word etc. Other tools are barely accessible or not at all accessible. IBooks is definitely the most accessible of the bunch at this time MHO. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
for ricardo walker, about the status menu podcast
Hello Ricardo, I've searched through macvisionaries archives for the link to your apple to the core episode 1 talking about accessing the status bar. The link gives a 404 page. Have you got it stashed somewhere else? Thanks, and best Yuma -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
