Apple Mail question.

2013-06-15 Thread Danny Noonan
I've had disk issues with my mac since day 1 and finally after 2 years talked 
apple into installing a new hard disk so I'm setting up from scratch again. 
With this in mind, I've somehow stumbled on the 48000 messages that were 
somehow stored on my mail server. There now all in an old messages folder in 
apple mail.

This is good because I don't have to try and grab the couple of thousand 
archive messages from my corrupted ccc boot disk backup but trying to work with 
1 folder with this many messages is painful. The amount of busy notifications 
and mail restarts is astounding. grin

My question is, I'm trying to apply message rules to this folder so that I can 
have list messages in appropriate folders to be able to work with them but all 
I can find is control option l to apply message rules. I've tried this in the 
folder with all message s highlighted and not highlighted but nothing seems to 
be working. Is there a way to force apple mail to apply rules to a specific 
folder or set of messages?

Thanks in advance and apologies for the next batch of questions in advance 
also..

Danny.

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Re: Foreign HQ voice for iPhone?

2013-06-15 Thread BBS
Hi Zoe. The HQ voice should automatically be downloading. You won't see it on 
iTunes or your iPhone that it's downloading, but rest assured, it is 
downloading. Just be patient and it will come. Also, do you have the compact 
voice turned off?

Shawn
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Re: Apple Mail question.

2013-06-15 Thread Nicholas Parsons
Hi,

I think the problem is that you've got so many messages and it will take a long 
time for Mail to scan your messages and apply the rules. I've done this before 
with a few thousand messages and I too thought nothing was hapenning for a long 
time. I can't imagine what it would be like with 48 thousand. So, my advice, 
after you try applying rules, press command-option-0 to view Mail activity. 
Take a look and see if Mail is doing anything. If it is, then just give it 
time. If not, then let us know and maybe someone will have more ideas.

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Re: what's the current state of firefox accessibility with the latest version of mac os10

2013-06-15 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Hi,
Are we talking the latest stable release or the nightly build?
I'm also curious to see how this works.
/Krister

15 jun 2013 kl. 02:32 skrev Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com:

 Hi,
 
 Firefox 21 is very usable although not perfect yet.  It's certainly worth the 
 download and investigating it yourself.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2013-06-14, at 11:07 AM, trahern culver tecks-...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
 
 hey all does any one know the current state of firefox accessibility
 with the latest version of mac os10?
 
 your help with this question would be most welcome kind regards
 trahern.
 
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Re: Apple Mail question.

2013-06-15 Thread Danny Noonan
Thanks muchly for the tips. I didn't know the mail activity hotkey. That's 
great to have.

I decided I had to trim the monster mailbox  down to give mail a chance to be 
able to function at all so I've been experimenting with folder searches saved 
into smart folders where I can delete or move as required and it seems to be 
helping. I've gotten rid of 3 or 4  thousand so far but have a long way to go. 
turns out it was still downloading and there were 65000 messages when it had 
finished.. I'm frankly amazed mail can function at all with this. Windows would 
have pooped itself to death way before this. smile.

Thanks again.

Danny.

On 15/06/2013, at 7:04 PM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I think the problem is that you've got so many messages and it will take a 
 long time for Mail to scan your messages and apply the rules. I've done this 
 before with a few thousand messages and I too thought nothing was hapenning 
 for a long time. I can't imagine what it would be like with 48 thousand. So, 
 my advice, after you try applying rules, press command-option-0 to view Mail 
 activity. Take a look and see if Mail is doing anything. If it is, then just 
 give it time. If not, then let us know and maybe someone will have more ideas.
 
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Re: Foreign HQ voice for iPhone?

2013-06-15 Thread zoe
Oh ok, I just turned it on and switched my phone to Greek and will try again,  
hopefully it will work. Thanks again so much.
- Original Message - 
From: BBS 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: Foreign HQ voice for iPhone?


Hi Zoe. The HQ voice should automatically be downloading. You won't see it on 
iTunes or your iPhone that it's downloading, but rest assured, it is 
downloading. Just be patient and it will come. Also, do you have the compact 
voice turned off?

Shawn
Sent from my white MacBook


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Re: Fusion boot camp or parallel

2013-06-15 Thread zoe
Ok guys, let's say paralel is out. if I go with fusion, am I to understand 
that I would not be able to boot windows up independedntly and use windows 
commands? I like the idea if sharing files and etc between windows and mac 
but I'm a little afraid of not being able to use windows independently,
Also excuse me I'm not familiar yet with all the mac terminology, but I 
think if I get the mac now it would come with mountain lion, but I think I 
read somewhere that something new is coming out in the fall, should I wait 
for the fall to get the newest out there or should I stick with the mountain 
lion and get it now?  Also trying to make a desision between the mac mini 
and the beautiful looking 27 inch all in one base i mac and opinions there?

- Original Message - 
From: Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: Fusion boot camp or parallel


My thoughts are that it depends. I used Bootcamp when I started with the 
Mac, and installed a boot manager that let me just hit w or m to boot into 
windows or mac. It was great, since I needed to know not a single mac 
command to use windows, whereas a virtual machine solution requires you to 
be able to at least launch it in mac first. That said, I had no official 
training so had to rely on this list and twitter to learn everything about 
the mac. Since I still needed to use my computer on a daily basis, and since 
the mac was my only machine, I felt that being able to use native windows 
would be the best solution for me, until I was either comfortable with the 
mac or decided it was not for me and stuck with only windows. Needless to 
say, I got used to the mac and now hardly ever boot windows, and am looking 
into replacing my bootcamp setup with a vm solution.

If you are close to an Apple Store, you could go in there and get help, 
especially in the first thirty days while your machine is still under 
warranty. So, since you have access to help, I think a virtual machine 
solution is better: no partitioning of the hard drive, not needing to shut 
down to do something in the other OS, and you can even run a vm of win7 and 
one of win8, or a linux distro, if you wanted to.

None of this is final, too - if you bootcamp now, you can also use a vm 
solution and erase your bootcamp later, or vice versa.

As to virtual machine applications, I have no information on Parallels, but 
I know Fusion is accessible. Virtualbox, another program, is not very 
accessible, but it can be used. However, I had sound problems when I tried 
to use it, so i'd stay away from that one. Really, Fusion seems the best 
option, unless (as another poster said) Parallels has been updated to be 
accessible.

Please don't hesitate to ask questions about the mac as you learn it. We are 
all here to help, and some of us are even happy to talk to you on the phone 
or skype if necessary.
On Jun 14, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Zoey,

 I myself am using Fusion, and it's the most wonderful solution for 
 accessing Windows programs along with your mac ones. Bootcamp requires 
 some sighted help to set up, unless you can find a guide to help you, 
 which I honestly still wouldn't recommend.
 As far as Parallels, that's completely inaccessible, the last time i heard 
 anything, but they may have changed. A lot of people on this list use 
 VmWare Fusion.

 On Jun 14, 2013, at 6:45 PM, zoe fiog...@rogers.com wrote:

 Hi everyone, I am thinking about getting a base  iMac. I am thinking 
 about getting a fusion drive and running Windows 8. I have been using 
 windows for 13 years and IM a little afraid to convert to the Mac. I use 
 an iPhone, and that has opened up a new world for me. The accessibility 
 that I have gotten  with voice over in my humble opinion, is excellent. 
 Even though I love my iPhone, the truth of the matter is I am used to 
 windows. Having said all this I really want to make the transition to Mac 
 I believe that I can learn a lot, and I also further believe that my 
 experience will be great. Here is where I need everybody's feedback. The 
 person who assessed me for my new computer suggested I use Boot Camp 
 which comes with the Mac computer. a second person later on suggested 
 that I use fusion because it is easier to toggle between windows and the 
 mac side. When I went to the Apple Store the gentleman who helped me, a 
 very very nice man and knowledgeable invoice over told me I should not go 
 with boot camp or fusion, but I should go with something called parallel. 
 What do you all suggest. I would like to know the differences between 
 Boot Camp fusion and parallel what will be the best for me to run what is 
 most accessible?  Does it even matter? Should I be putting so much 
 thought into this? Any advice would be appreciated so so much thank you 
 all for taking the time to read my mail and thank you in advance for 
 giving me advice if you can. 

Re: Fusion boot camp or parallel

2013-06-15 Thread Alex Hall
All Windows commands will work. The left control key is the only problem, since 
it switches you between mac and windows. So, you can alt-tab between windows 
programs, while command-tab (normally used to move between programs in the mac) 
will do nothing. Once you hit that control key, though, command-tab will move 
you between mac apps, letting you get focus off of windows and onto a mac 
program, which is the whole point of running a vm instead of bootcamp. I 
believe you can configure the key to be something other than control, but 
someone more experienced will have to comment on that.

Yes, OS10.9 Mavericks is coming in the fall. If you can stand to wait, holding 
off until it is released will save you the cost of upgrading (usually $20 to 
$30), though last year Apple gave free upgrades to those who bought Macs close 
to the Mountain Lion release date. Still, there is no telling when the date for 
that program is, assuming it happens at all.

I have  Mac Mini and regret it - I'd so much rather have a laptop. That said, 
since you are choosing between a Mini and and iMac, it sounds like you only 
want a desktop solution. In that case, it depends on your vision and what you 
want to buy. The iMac has a large screen, so you only need a keyboard and 
mouse, whereas the Mini has no screen but is much smaller. This means you can 
hook the Mini to any monitor or TV you might have, and the actual tower will 
take up less room and cost less. If you rely on enlarged text as well as 
speech, the iMac might be good for you due to its large screen. If you need 
speech only, the Mini would be better since it is cheaper and you can just hook 
up a small monitor to it, taking up less space. Some Minis need a monitor 
connected, even if it is never on, or they slow down and become hard to use, 
which is why I did not say you could forego the monitor entirely. Besides, when 
sighted family or friends need to use the computer or help you should something 
happen to speech or your speakers, having a screen right there can be very 
helpful.
On Jun 15, 2013, at 9:55 AM, zoe fiog...@rogers.com wrote:

 Ok guys, let's say paralel is out. if I go with fusion, am I to understand 
 that I would not be able to boot windows up independedntly and use windows 
 commands? I like the idea if sharing files and etc between windows and mac 
 but I'm a little afraid of not being able to use windows independently,
 Also excuse me I'm not familiar yet with all the mac terminology, but I 
 think if I get the mac now it would come with mountain lion, but I think I 
 read somewhere that something new is coming out in the fall, should I wait 
 for the fall to get the newest out there or should I stick with the mountain 
 lion and get it now?  Also trying to make a desision between the mac mini 
 and the beautiful looking 27 inch all in one base i mac and opinions there?
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 8:13 PM
 Subject: Re: Fusion boot camp or parallel
 
 
 My thoughts are that it depends. I used Bootcamp when I started with the 
 Mac, and installed a boot manager that let me just hit w or m to boot into 
 windows or mac. It was great, since I needed to know not a single mac 
 command to use windows, whereas a virtual machine solution requires you to 
 be able to at least launch it in mac first. That said, I had no official 
 training so had to rely on this list and twitter to learn everything about 
 the mac. Since I still needed to use my computer on a daily basis, and since 
 the mac was my only machine, I felt that being able to use native windows 
 would be the best solution for me, until I was either comfortable with the 
 mac or decided it was not for me and stuck with only windows. Needless to 
 say, I got used to the mac and now hardly ever boot windows, and am looking 
 into replacing my bootcamp setup with a vm solution.
 
 If you are close to an Apple Store, you could go in there and get help, 
 especially in the first thirty days while your machine is still under 
 warranty. So, since you have access to help, I think a virtual machine 
 solution is better: no partitioning of the hard drive, not needing to shut 
 down to do something in the other OS, and you can even run a vm of win7 and 
 one of win8, or a linux distro, if you wanted to.
 
 None of this is final, too - if you bootcamp now, you can also use a vm 
 solution and erase your bootcamp later, or vice versa.
 
 As to virtual machine applications, I have no information on Parallels, but 
 I know Fusion is accessible. Virtualbox, another program, is not very 
 accessible, but it can be used. However, I had sound problems when I tried 
 to use it, so i'd stay away from that one. Really, Fusion seems the best 
 option, unless (as another poster said) Parallels has been updated to be 
 accessible.
 
 Please don't hesitate to ask questions about the mac as you learn it. We 

selecting a song for play list?

2013-06-15 Thread Kliphton A M
 Okay, I find the artist I want, the album I want, but how do I go through a 
 list of songs on the album so I can select it for a play list?  This is in 
 the latest version of iTunes on the mac.  Thanks.
 
 
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 (Twitter,instagram,foursquareSkype) kliphton72
 [Text only] 914-820-2298
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Re: what's the current state of firefox accessibility with the latest version of mac os10

2013-06-15 Thread Chris Blouch
21 is the latest stable version. Firefox 22 is 'Beta' while Firefox 23 
is for 'developers'.


CB

On 6/15/13 7:02 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

Hi,
Are we talking the latest stable release or the nightly build?
I'm also curious to see how this works.
/Krister

15 jun 2013 kl. 02:32 skrev Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com:


Hi,

Firefox 21 is very usable although not perfect yet.  It's certainly worth the 
download and investigating it yourself.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2013-06-14, at 11:07 AM, trahern culver tecks-...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:


hey all does any one know the current state of firefox accessibility
with the latest version of mac os10?

your help with this question would be most welcome kind regards
trahern.

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Re: downloading or safari issue

2013-06-15 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hmmm.  I'm wondering if you use a different voice the the Apple supplied Alex?

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2013-06-14, at 4:22 PM, Maria  Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote:

 HI it crashes randomly and it only started doing it when I decided to give 
 crome vox a try.  
 
 
 Maria Chapman
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 
 The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong. - 
 Mahatma Gandhi
 
 On 14/06/2013, at 11:25 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Is there anything you're doing when it crashes or does it crash randomly?  
 Does it crash on startup or at some other time?  Are you using VO alone with 
 Chrome or are you using ChromeVox?
 
 Sorry, I just need more info to do a good job helping.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2013-06-14, at 12:32 AM, Maria  Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi.  crome tends to crash on me.  any suggestions?
 
 
 Maria Chapman
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 
 The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong. - 
 Mahatma Gandhi
 
 On 14/06/2013, at 2:01 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 This sort of problem tends to happen when Web-Developers use fancier links 
 that VO doesn't seem to handle well.  I'm guessing that your focus on the 
 link was fine since when you pressed Option-return, it started the 
 download fine.  I'm not convinced that Chrome or Firefox on the Mac would 
 have handled it much differently.  Firefox is hundreds of times better 
 than it was a year ago but still has some issues so I do find it 
 frustrating to use most of the time.  Chrome with ChromeVox is actually 
 quite nice, especially in Google Apps environments but the ChromeVox Users 
 Guide does suggest pressing return on links which is actually the MacOS 
 handling the action, not ChromeVox or VO.
 
 Interesting suggestion when I've not heard of very many VO users actually 
 using Firefox or Chrome particularly often.
 
 Later...
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2013-06-13, at 9:09 PM, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:
 
 Hello, Tim, et al. This is the message Ray made reference too which makes 
 your help much more appreciated.
 From Philip at CNIB
 Hi Kerri,
  
 It is of course completely up to you if you want to use a new browser 
 but I know we have clients using Firefox and Chrome. At this stage if 
 you try out one of these browsers and it works for you then we may be 
 able to isolate the problem to Safari, or your particular installation 
 of Safari.
  
 You are using Voiceover correct? Given what you are downloading it 
 definitely sounds like you are not hitting the actual Download link. 
 There was a time where our JAWS users on our old site where trying to 
 download books and ended up downloading the web page instead. It was 
 because the focus of their screenreader was not on the actual link. Is 
 there anything you can do to confirm that your screenreader is focused 
 on the Download link before you select it?
  
 Thanks,
 Philip Springall
 
 On 2013-06-13, at 12:56 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 What did you press when attempting to start the download?  I've found 
 that sometimes either pressing Return or Option-return works on some 
 sites.  Return simply activates the link whereas Option-return starts to 
 download whatever is attached to that link.
 
 I haven't used the CNIB site much as I used to find that the CNIB didn't 
 cater much to us folks that live in the sticks, nor did they know much 
 about the Mac.  That's probably not a fair comment now but it's how 
 things used to work years ago.  Anyway, I digress.
 
 See if either of those suggestions help.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2013-06-13, at 12:25 PM, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:
 
 Hello, all. I' trying to access the CNIB library in order to download 
 books. When I click on the download link, rather than download the 
 book, I have part of the website and the only assistance I received 
 from the BNIB was to download google chrome. Any help would greatly be 
 appreciated.
 
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contacts manager

2013-06-15 Thread jean parker
All:
This was very helpful but it is still a pain.  Is there a way to just ad a 
mobile number without going in to the labels thing and back out?  Somehow I am 
not seeing the field for the phone number unless I go into the label thing 
first.  
Also, I am written to the people who made VO Calendar and implored them to make 
a contacts manager.  They said they want to.  If others are interested perhaps 
additional emails could make it happen.
Jean

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Nightowl questions

2013-06-15 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
Hi:
I'm coming from Syrinnx, and can't figure out some things in Night Owl. Here 
are my questions.
1. How do you follow and unfollow someone?
2. How do you block a follower?
3. How do you open links when l doesn't work?
4. How can I search Twitter? For example inn Syirnx, I used to be able to do a 
search for beach, and could see all tweets with that word in it.
Thanks,

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Deleting messages from the server when you delete from mial

2013-06-15 Thread Timothy Emmons
Hi guys, I am curious about something and I couldn't find it in the setting sso 
I'll take any help I can get.How do you go about deleting messages from the 
server either ronde you delete in mail or once they're downloaded so they don't 
keep coming back. I'm running mountain lion, 10.84 I believe is the update )I 
meant 10.8.4 I think is the way that is) with mail 6.5 I've got an exchange 
server set up from work, and my gmail account is set up on iMap. Is iMap the 
reason you can't actually delete the mail, does it keep showing up  or is there 
a way to get rid of it as you finsih and delete it. Just curious. I definitely 
need more coffee, I'm thinking it has to be that it's iMap but not sure. any 
help would be appreciated. Thanks guys. Take care and talk to you soon.  

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Re: Deleting messages from the server when you delete from mial

2013-06-15 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
Hi Tim:
I have the same problems with my iMap Gmail account. I'm assuming in the mail 
settings on the mac you have delete from server checked? It is an issue on 
Gmail's side. Sometimes it helps to go in to the trash folder in mail and 
command a, then press shift delete.
On Jun 15, 2013, at 12:25 PM, Timothy Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi guys, I am curious about something and I couldn't find it in the setting 
 sso I'll take any help I can get.How do you go about deleting messages from 
 the server either ronde you delete in mail or once they're downloaded so they 
 don't keep coming back. I'm running mountain lion, 10.84 I believe is the 
 update )I meant 10.8.4 I think is the way that is) with mail 6.5 I've got an 
 exchange server set up from work, and my gmail account is set up on iMap. Is 
 iMap the reason you can't actually delete the mail, does it keep showing up  
 or is there a way to get rid of it as you finsih and delete it. Just curious. 
 I definitely need more coffee, I'm thinking it has to be that it's iMap but 
 not sure. any help would be appreciated. Thanks guys. Take care and talk to 
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Re: Deleting messages from the server when you delete from mial

2013-06-15 Thread Timothy Emmons
I think I do, I'll go double-check that, but I think I do. I'll go in an empty 
trash too and see if that helps get rid of the. Just thought iwas just me, Lol. 
Thanks for the suggestion. Stay cool, it's still a hot one over here, Lol. 
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wrote:

 Hi Tim:
 I have the same problems with my iMap Gmail account. I'm assuming in the mail 
 settings on the mac you have delete from server checked? It is an issue on 
 Gmail's side. Sometimes it helps to go in to the trash folder in mail and 
 command a, then press shift delete.
 On Jun 15, 2013, at 12:25 PM, Timothy Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi guys, I am curious about something and I couldn't find it in the setting 
 sso I'll take any help I can get.How do you go about deleting messages from 
 the server either ronde you delete in mail or once they're downloaded so 
 they don't keep coming back. I'm running mountain lion, 10.84 I believe is 
 the update )I meant 10.8.4 I think is the way that is) with mail 6.5 I've 
 got an exchange server set up from work, and my gmail account is set up on 
 iMap. Is iMap the reason you can't actually delete the mail, does it keep 
 showing up  or is there a way to get rid of it as you finsih and delete it. 
 Just curious. I definitely need more coffee, I'm thinking it has to be that 
 it's iMap but not sure. any help would be appreciated. Thanks guys. Take 
 care and talk to you soon.  
 
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Another totally unrelated question

2013-06-15 Thread Timothy Emmons
Thanks Sarai and folks for the answer on my mail. Got that straightened out. 
Now, I have one for you. See, I told you I would get coffee and find something 
else. How do you go about formatting a Usb drive, or Nls cartridge on the mac. 
I've missed this one and thought I had it and can't find anything to show me 
where I need to go and format a drive. I had a linux system that I had 
downloaded some Nls books on a cartridge and some other files. In the process 
Linux left a few unsavory somethings not he cartridge that I wanted to wipe 
clean and make it brand new again but I can't get in and find the formatting 
option anywhere. I used to be able to find it but i haven't had to use it in so 
long and MountainLion is a little different than snow leopard was at work when 
I had to use this then, so just a bit stuck. But, I can get info but I can't 
find where to format the drive. Thanks again and take care. I promise after 
this one I'll go back to my corner, Lol. 

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Re: contacts manager

2013-06-15 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi Jean,

Are you moving your finger up/down to find items or are you swiping left/right? 
 There is no need to tap the Mobile button first in order to access the 
related Edit field.  Visually, the label is on the left and its related Edit 
field is located to the right of the label.  So, if you're moving around with 
your finger, then going down the right side will let you locate that Edit 
field.  Remember, that when VO announces the Mobile Phone,  Edit field, it is 
simply telling you where the VO cursor is, you need to double-tap on that Edit 
field to make it active and thus, editable.  If VO is focused on that field and 
it is ready for text entry, VO will announce Mobile, Text Field is Editing, 
Phone which tells you what field VO is on, whether it is a phone number, eMail 
address or other address type of field.

As someone else mentioned in an earlier post, it does seem to work better when 
you use the Swipe right/left commands to navigate through these elements as 
opposed to moving your finger around trying to locate specific elements.  So, 
if you've double-tapped on the Add button, swiping right moves you forward 
through the Add Photo, First name, Last name, Company, Mobile button, then 
Mobile Text Field and so on.  When VO announces button, then that is an 
actionable item that will usually bring up a new dialog or new screen.  When VO 
announces Text Field, then double-tapping should bring up the keyboard.

Regarding scrolling through all the contacts in your list, when you place your 
finger on the far right of the screen, the Table Index should appear, then 
simply swipe up or down to quickly move through the letters of the alphabet 
until you get to the letter you wish.  Once on that letter, for example, K 
for Kilburn, then swipe right to start browsing through the contacts starting 
with the letter K.  One thing that may be useful to you as well, is to use 
the Favourites area of your Phone app.  If you have a person from your Contacts 
that you call often, go into your Contacts app, locate that individual, go to 
the bottom right of your screen and double-tap the Add to Favourites button.  
I keep about 10 people in my Favourites so that they are quickly able to be 
contacted.

Two other gestures that may be useful are the four-finger touch near the top or 
four finger touch near the bottom of the screen.  These gestures take you 
quickly to the very top left or very bottom right of the screen respectively.  
This gesture can assist you in getting back to the Done button in a quicker 
fashion.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2013-06-15, at 10:41 AM, jean parker radiofore...@gmail.com wrote:

 All:
 This was very helpful but it is still a pain.  Is there a way to just ad a 
 mobile number without going in to the labels thing and back out?  Somehow I 
 am not seeing the field for the phone number unless I go into the label thing 
 first.  
 Also, I am written to the people who made VO Calendar and implored them to 
 make a contacts manager.  They said they want to.  If others are interested 
 perhaps additional emails could make it happen.
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Re: what's the current state of firefox accessibility with the latest version of mac os10

2013-06-15 Thread shane christenson
While we seem to be on the subject of web browsers, although I haven't tried it 
in quite a few months, I'm curious to see if anyone has tried google chrome on 
the mac. I know, at least on my system, that both firefox and google chrome 
were very sluggish. Thanks for any input.

Shane

On Jun 14, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Firefox 21 is very usable although not perfect yet.  It's certainly worth the 
 download and investigating it yourself.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2013-06-14, at 11:07 AM, trahern culver tecks-...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
 
 hey all does any one know the current state of firefox accessibility
 with the latest version of mac os10?
 
 your help with this question would be most welcome kind regards
 trahern.
 
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Re: Deleting messages from the server when you delete from mial

2013-06-15 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

Both Exchange and iMap do work in similar manners with respect to the reading 
and deleting of messages.  That is, they will both usually mark messages as 
read on all units connected to the same account and similarly, if you delete a 
message when on one machine, it should show as deleted on the other machine.

On your Mac for your GMail account, go into Mail Preferences on the Mailbox 
Behaviours tab.  Make sure that Move Deleted Items to the Trash and Store 
Deleted Items on the Server are both checked.  The item right after that that 
pertains to how often to automatically remove items from the Trash used to be 
an issue between Apple and Google's way of dealing with Deleted messages.  I'm 
fairly sure that this is still the case so, I tend to leave that on Never and 
let GMail do it's 30 day Archive thing all by itself.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2013-06-15, at 11:25 AM, Timothy Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi guys, I am curious about something and I couldn't find it in the setting 
 sso I'll take any help I can get.How do you go about deleting messages from 
 the server either ronde you delete in mail or once they're downloaded so they 
 don't keep coming back. I'm running mountain lion, 10.84 I believe is the 
 update )I meant 10.8.4 I think is the way that is) with mail 6.5 I've got an 
 exchange server set up from work, and my gmail account is set up on iMap. Is 
 iMap the reason you can't actually delete the mail, does it keep showing up  
 or is there a way to get rid of it as you finsih and delete it. Just curious. 
 I definitely need more coffee, I'm thinking it has to be that it's iMap but 
 not sure. any help would be appreciated. Thanks guys. Take care and talk to 
 you soon.  
 
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Re: Another totally unrelated question

2013-06-15 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi Timothy,

When in the Finder, press cmd-shift-u to open the Utilities folder.  Locate 
Disk Utility and the USB drive should be listed in the Table on the left.  When 
it's selected, you can choose the Erase tab and go from there.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2013-06-15, at 12:06 PM, Timothy Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Sarai and folks for the answer on my mail. Got that straightened out. 
 Now, I have one for you. See, I told you I would get coffee and find 
 something else. How do you go about formatting a Usb drive, or Nls cartridge 
 on the mac. I've missed this one and thought I had it and can't find anything 
 to show me where I need to go and format a drive. I had a linux system that I 
 had downloaded some Nls books on a cartridge and some other files. In the 
 process Linux left a few unsavory somethings not he cartridge that I wanted 
 to wipe clean and make it brand new again but I can't get in and find the 
 formatting option anywhere. I used to be able to find it but i haven't had to 
 use it in so long and MountainLion is a little different than snow leopard 
 was at work when I had to use this then, so just a bit stuck. But, I can get 
 info but I can't find where to format the drive. Thanks again and take care. 
 I promise after this one I'll go back to my corner, Lol. 
 
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Re: what's the current state of firefox accessibility with the latest version of mac os10

2013-06-15 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

I find Chrome to be quite snappy most of the time.  I also find that, from my 
point of view anyway, that it works much better with ChromeVox  than with VO.  
Sometimes you need to have both VO and ChromeVox on at the same time, 
especially when accessing menus since ChromeVox is only useful within the 
Chrome Browser itself.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2013-06-15, at 12:31 PM, shane christenson ksha...@att.net wrote:

 While we seem to be on the subject of web browsers, although I haven't tried 
 it in quite a few months, I'm curious to see if anyone has tried google 
 chrome on the mac. I know, at least on my system, that both firefox and 
 google chrome were very sluggish. Thanks for any input.
 
 Shane
 
 On Jun 14, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Firefox 21 is very usable although not perfect yet.  It's certainly worth 
 the download and investigating it yourself.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2013-06-14, at 11:07 AM, trahern culver tecks-...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
 
 hey all does any one know the current state of firefox accessibility
 with the latest version of mac os10?
 
 your help with this question would be most welcome kind regards
 trahern.
 
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Re: Another totally unrelated question

2013-06-15 Thread Timothy Emmons
Thanks Tim, I found it, and it worked like a charm. I appreciate that, and I 
didn't realize there was a keyboard shortcut for Disk utility until I saw your 
email so this definitely helps as well. Thanks again. Take care and I'll talk 
to you soon. 
On Jun 15, 2013, at 1:39 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Timothy,
 
 When in the Finder, press cmd-shift-u to open the Utilities folder.  Locate 
 Disk Utility and the USB drive should be listed in the Table on the left.  
 When it's selected, you can choose the Erase tab and go from there.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2013-06-15, at 12:06 PM, Timothy Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks Sarai and folks for the answer on my mail. Got that straightened out. 
 Now, I have one for you. See, I told you I would get coffee and find 
 something else. How do you go about formatting a Usb drive, or Nls cartridge 
 on the mac. I've missed this one and thought I had it and can't find 
 anything to show me where I need to go and format a drive. I had a linux 
 system that I had downloaded some Nls books on a cartridge and some other 
 files. In the process Linux left a few unsavory somethings not he cartridge 
 that I wanted to wipe clean and make it brand new again but I can't get in 
 and find the formatting option anywhere. I used to be able to find it but i 
 haven't had to use it in so long and MountainLion is a little different than 
 snow leopard was at work when I had to use this then, so just a bit stuck. 
 But, I can get info but I can't find where to format the drive. Thanks again 
 and take care. I promise after this one I'll go back to my corner, Lol. 
 
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Re: Deleting messages from the server when you delete from mial

2013-06-15 Thread Timothy Emmons
thanks got it. These past couple of things I have meant to find out before and 
have been a mac user for almost two years now, but it's one of those things 
where you don't think about it until you need it, so out of sight out of mind, 
Lol. Thanks again for your help. It makes life so much easier now that I'm not 
as stumped as I was, Lol. Take care. 
On Jun 15, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Both Exchange and iMap do work in similar manners with respect to the reading 
 and deleting of messages.  That is, they will both usually mark messages as 
 read on all units connected to the same account and similarly, if you delete 
 a message when on one machine, it should show as deleted on the other machine.
 
 On your Mac for your GMail account, go into Mail Preferences on the Mailbox 
 Behaviours tab.  Make sure that Move Deleted Items to the Trash and Store 
 Deleted Items on the Server are both checked.  The item right after that 
 that pertains to how often to automatically remove items from the Trash used 
 to be an issue between Apple and Google's way of dealing with Deleted 
 messages.  I'm fairly sure that this is still the case so, I tend to leave 
 that on Never and let GMail do it's 30 day Archive thing all by itself.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2013-06-15, at 11:25 AM, Timothy Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi guys, I am curious about something and I couldn't find it in the setting 
 sso I'll take any help I can get.How do you go about deleting messages from 
 the server either ronde you delete in mail or once they're downloaded so 
 they don't keep coming back. I'm running mountain lion, 10.84 I believe is 
 the update )I meant 10.8.4 I think is the way that is) with mail 6.5 I've 
 got an exchange server set up from work, and my gmail account is set up on 
 iMap. Is iMap the reason you can't actually delete the mail, does it keep 
 showing up  or is there a way to get rid of it as you finsih and delete it. 
 Just curious. I definitely need more coffee, I'm thinking it has to be that 
 it's iMap but not sure. any help would be appreciated. Thanks guys. Take 
 care and talk to you soon.  
 
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2 extremely frustrating problems - please help

2013-06-15 Thread Rahul Bajaj
Hi all,

I'm facing 2 weird and frustrating  challenges while using  Safari on my Mac.
1. Sometimes, when I press command-l, instead of being directed to   the 
address bar, I am directed to the downloads folder in Safari. Similarly, when I 
press M in Safari, it opens Apple Mail even when I am in Safari.
This gets automatically fixed when I restart my Mac a couple of times.
2. Sometimes, when I use the keyboard to type something, instead of showing the 
letters that I  type, it shows weird symbols like  Ó´.
Have I inadvertently enabled or disabled something?
I'm completely baffled. Please help.

Best,
Rahul

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iTunes match

2013-06-15 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
Hi:
Does anyone know if you can gift an iTunes match subscription?

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Re: Nightowl questions

2013-06-15 Thread Maria Joe Chapman
Hi.  to follow someone open a new tweet press f space followed by the at simbol 
and the user name you want to follow.  YOu can also interact with the drawer 
and follow people and unfollow them that way.  I also think you can open the 
menu and go in to tools where you can see following and followers.  Sorry not 
sure how to block someone. to search command right arrow until you hear search. 
 

I hope this helps some.

  
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On 16/06/2013, at 3:02 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hi:
 I'm coming from Syrinnx, and can't figure out some things in Night Owl. Here 
 are my questions.
 1. How do you follow and unfollow someone?
 2. How do you block a follower?
 3. How do you open links when l doesn't work?
 4. How can I search Twitter? For example inn Syirnx, I used to be able to do 
 a search for beach, and could see all tweets with that word in it.
 Thanks,
 
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Re: iTunes match

2013-06-15 Thread Chris H

Don't think so I haven't seen the option to send it as a gift.


Chris

On 15/06/2013 21:43, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

Hi:
Does anyone know if you can gift an iTunes match subscription?



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Re: 2 extremely frustrating problems - please help

2013-06-15 Thread Maxwell Ivey
Hello; i think your option key may be sticking.  because command option l is 
the key sequence for opening the downloads manager.  hope that helps, max 
On Jun 15, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Rahul Bajaj wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I'm facing 2 weird and frustrating  challenges while using  Safari on my Mac.
 1. Sometimes, when I press command-l, instead of being directed to   the 
 address bar, I am directed to the downloads folder in Safari. Similarly, when 
 I press M in Safari, it opens Apple Mail even when I am in Safari.
 This gets automatically fixed when I restart my Mac a couple of times.
 2. Sometimes, when I use the keyboard to type something, instead of showing 
 the letters that I  type, it shows weird symbols like  Ó´.
 Have I inadvertently enabled or disabled something?
 I'm completely baffled. Please help.
 
 Best,
 Rahul
 
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Re: downloading or safari issue

2013-06-15 Thread Maria Joe Chapman
HI.  yes I was do you think that would make a difference?

regards
Maria and crew from australia
email:
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
check out 
www.95-the-mix.com
where we play lots of great music




On 16/06/2013, at 2:01 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hmmm.  I'm wondering if you use a different voice the the Apple supplied Alex?
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2013-06-14, at 4:22 PM, Maria  Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 HI it crashes randomly and it only started doing it when I decided to give 
 crome vox a try.  
 
 
 Maria Chapman
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 
 The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong. - 
 Mahatma Gandhi
 
 On 14/06/2013, at 11:25 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Is there anything you're doing when it crashes or does it crash randomly?  
 Does it crash on startup or at some other time?  Are you using VO alone 
 with Chrome or are you using ChromeVox?
 
 Sorry, I just need more info to do a good job helping.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2013-06-14, at 12:32 AM, Maria  Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi.  crome tends to crash on me.  any suggestions?
 
 
 Maria Chapman
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 
 The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong. 
 - Mahatma Gandhi
 
 On 14/06/2013, at 2:01 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 This sort of problem tends to happen when Web-Developers use fancier 
 links that VO doesn't seem to handle well.  I'm guessing that your focus 
 on the link was fine since when you pressed Option-return, it started the 
 download fine.  I'm not convinced that Chrome or Firefox on the Mac would 
 have handled it much differently.  Firefox is hundreds of times better 
 than it was a year ago but still has some issues so I do find it 
 frustrating to use most of the time.  Chrome with ChromeVox is actually 
 quite nice, especially in Google Apps environments but the ChromeVox 
 Users Guide does suggest pressing return on links which is actually the 
 MacOS handling the action, not ChromeVox or VO.
 
 Interesting suggestion when I've not heard of very many VO users actually 
 using Firefox or Chrome particularly often.
 
 Later...
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2013-06-13, at 9:09 PM, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:
 
 Hello, Tim, et al. This is the message Ray made reference too which 
 makes your help much more appreciated.
 From Philip at CNIB
 Hi Kerri,
  
 It is of course completely up to you if you want to use a new browser 
 but I know we have clients using Firefox and Chrome. At this stage if 
 you try out one of these browsers and it works for you then we may be 
 able to isolate the problem to Safari, or your particular installation 
 of Safari.
  
 You are using Voiceover correct? Given what you are downloading it 
 definitely sounds like you are not hitting the actual Download link. 
 There was a time where our JAWS users on our old site where trying to 
 download books and ended up downloading the web page instead. It was 
 because the focus of their screenreader was not on the actual link. Is 
 there anything you can do to confirm that your screenreader is focused 
 on the Download link before you select it?
  
 Thanks,
 Philip Springall
 
 On 2013-06-13, at 12:56 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 What did you press when attempting to start the download?  I've found 
 that sometimes either pressing Return or Option-return works on some 
 sites.  Return simply activates the link whereas Option-return starts 
 to download whatever is attached to that link.
 
 I haven't used the CNIB site much as I used to find that the CNIB 
 didn't cater much to us folks that live in the sticks, nor did they 
 know much about the Mac.  That's probably not a fair comment now but 
 it's how things used to work years ago.  Anyway, I digress.
 
 See if either of those suggestions help.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2013-06-13, at 12:25 PM, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:
 
 Hello, all. I' trying to access the CNIB library in order to download 
 books. When I click on the download link, rather than download the 
 book, I have part of the website and the only assistance I received 
 from the BNIB was to download google chrome. Any help would greatly be 
 appreciated.
 
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Re: downloading or safari issue

2013-06-15 Thread Maria Joe Chapman
HI.  I am using moira as the system voice and I think that's what cromevox 
would be using?
God Bless! Maria from australia
 Newbie mac user.
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
will get you fb as well as email  iMessage.   
skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 









On 16/06/2013, at 2:01 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hmmm.  I'm wondering if you use a different voice the the Apple supplied Alex?
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2013-06-14, at 4:22 PM, Maria  Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 HI it crashes randomly and it only started doing it when I decided to give 
 crome vox a try.  
 
 
 Maria Chapman
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 
 The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong. - 
 Mahatma Gandhi
 
 On 14/06/2013, at 11:25 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Is there anything you're doing when it crashes or does it crash randomly?  
 Does it crash on startup or at some other time?  Are you using VO alone 
 with Chrome or are you using ChromeVox?
 
 Sorry, I just need more info to do a good job helping.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2013-06-14, at 12:32 AM, Maria  Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi.  crome tends to crash on me.  any suggestions?
 
 
 Maria Chapman
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 
 The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong. 
 - Mahatma Gandhi
 
 On 14/06/2013, at 2:01 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 This sort of problem tends to happen when Web-Developers use fancier 
 links that VO doesn't seem to handle well.  I'm guessing that your focus 
 on the link was fine since when you pressed Option-return, it started the 
 download fine.  I'm not convinced that Chrome or Firefox on the Mac would 
 have handled it much differently.  Firefox is hundreds of times better 
 than it was a year ago but still has some issues so I do find it 
 frustrating to use most of the time.  Chrome with ChromeVox is actually 
 quite nice, especially in Google Apps environments but the ChromeVox 
 Users Guide does suggest pressing return on links which is actually the 
 MacOS handling the action, not ChromeVox or VO.
 
 Interesting suggestion when I've not heard of very many VO users actually 
 using Firefox or Chrome particularly often.
 
 Later...
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2013-06-13, at 9:09 PM, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:
 
 Hello, Tim, et al. This is the message Ray made reference too which 
 makes your help much more appreciated.
 From Philip at CNIB
 Hi Kerri,
  
 It is of course completely up to you if you want to use a new browser 
 but I know we have clients using Firefox and Chrome. At this stage if 
 you try out one of these browsers and it works for you then we may be 
 able to isolate the problem to Safari, or your particular installation 
 of Safari.
  
 You are using Voiceover correct? Given what you are downloading it 
 definitely sounds like you are not hitting the actual Download link. 
 There was a time where our JAWS users on our old site where trying to 
 download books and ended up downloading the web page instead. It was 
 because the focus of their screenreader was not on the actual link. Is 
 there anything you can do to confirm that your screenreader is focused 
 on the Download link before you select it?
  
 Thanks,
 Philip Springall
 
 On 2013-06-13, at 12:56 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 What did you press when attempting to start the download?  I've found 
 that sometimes either pressing Return or Option-return works on some 
 sites.  Return simply activates the link whereas Option-return starts 
 to download whatever is attached to that link.
 
 I haven't used the CNIB site much as I used to find that the CNIB 
 didn't cater much to us folks that live in the sticks, nor did they 
 know much about the Mac.  That's probably not a fair comment now but 
 it's how things used to work years ago.  Anyway, I digress.
 
 See if either of those suggestions help.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2013-06-13, at 12:25 PM, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:
 
 Hello, all. I' trying to access the CNIB library in order to download 
 books. When I click on the download link, rather than download the 
 book, I have part of the website and the only assistance I received 
 from the BNIB was to download google chrome. Any help would greatly be 
 appreciated.
 
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Re: 2 extremely frustrating problems - please help

2013-06-15 Thread Maria Joe Chapman
HI.  yep i thought that too.  
Blessings! Maria Joe and loving guide Karly.
Email/ I Message: fb  bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
twitter: bubbygirl 
skype: bubbygirl1972

bubbygirl1...@gmail.com






On 16/06/2013, at 6:57 AM, Maxwell Ivey maxwelli...@aol.com wrote:

 Hello; i think your option key may be sticking.  because command option l is 
 the key sequence for opening the downloads manager.  hope that helps, max 
 On Jun 15, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Rahul Bajaj wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm facing 2 weird and frustrating  challenges while using  Safari on my Mac.
 1. Sometimes, when I press command-l, instead of being directed to   the 
 address bar, I am directed to the downloads folder in Safari. Similarly, 
 when I press M in Safari, it opens Apple Mail even when I am in Safari.
 This gets automatically fixed when I restart my Mac a couple of times.
 2. Sometimes, when I use the keyboard to type something, instead of showing 
 the letters that I  type, it shows weird symbols like  Ó´.
 Have I inadvertently enabled or disabled something?
 I'm completely baffled. Please help.
 
 Best,
 Rahul
 
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Re: Fusion boot camp or parallel

2013-06-15 Thread Maria Joe Chapman
HI.  yes you will be able to use windows independently.  I have a mac mini but 
one day I hope to get a mac book pro or a mac book air.


regards
Maria and crew from australia
email:
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
check out 
www.95-the-mix.com
where we play lots of great music




On 15/06/2013, at 11:55 PM, zoe fiog...@rogers.com wrote:

 Ok guys, let's say paralel is out. if I go with fusion, am I to understand 
 that I would not be able to boot windows up independedntly and use windows 
 commands? I like the idea if sharing files and etc between windows and mac 
 but I'm a little afraid of not being able to use windows independently,
 Also excuse me I'm not familiar yet with all the mac terminology, but I 
 think if I get the mac now it would come with mountain lion, but I think I 
 read somewhere that something new is coming out in the fall, should I wait 
 for the fall to get the newest out there or should I stick with the mountain 
 lion and get it now?  Also trying to make a desision between the mac mini 
 and the beautiful looking 27 inch all in one base i mac and opinions there?
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 8:13 PM
 Subject: Re: Fusion boot camp or parallel
 
 
 My thoughts are that it depends. I used Bootcamp when I started with the 
 Mac, and installed a boot manager that let me just hit w or m to boot into 
 windows or mac. It was great, since I needed to know not a single mac 
 command to use windows, whereas a virtual machine solution requires you to 
 be able to at least launch it in mac first. That said, I had no official 
 training so had to rely on this list and twitter to learn everything about 
 the mac. Since I still needed to use my computer on a daily basis, and since 
 the mac was my only machine, I felt that being able to use native windows 
 would be the best solution for me, until I was either comfortable with the 
 mac or decided it was not for me and stuck with only windows. Needless to 
 say, I got used to the mac and now hardly ever boot windows, and am looking 
 into replacing my bootcamp setup with a vm solution.
 
 If you are close to an Apple Store, you could go in there and get help, 
 especially in the first thirty days while your machine is still under 
 warranty. So, since you have access to help, I think a virtual machine 
 solution is better: no partitioning of the hard drive, not needing to shut 
 down to do something in the other OS, and you can even run a vm of win7 and 
 one of win8, or a linux distro, if you wanted to.
 
 None of this is final, too - if you bootcamp now, you can also use a vm 
 solution and erase your bootcamp later, or vice versa.
 
 As to virtual machine applications, I have no information on Parallels, but 
 I know Fusion is accessible. Virtualbox, another program, is not very 
 accessible, but it can be used. However, I had sound problems when I tried 
 to use it, so i'd stay away from that one. Really, Fusion seems the best 
 option, unless (as another poster said) Parallels has been updated to be 
 accessible.
 
 Please don't hesitate to ask questions about the mac as you learn it. We are 
 all here to help, and some of us are even happy to talk to you on the phone 
 or skype if necessary.
 On Jun 14, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Zoey,
 
 I myself am using Fusion, and it's the most wonderful solution for 
 accessing Windows programs along with your mac ones. Bootcamp requires 
 some sighted help to set up, unless you can find a guide to help you, 
 which I honestly still wouldn't recommend.
 As far as Parallels, that's completely inaccessible, the last time i heard 
 anything, but they may have changed. A lot of people on this list use 
 VmWare Fusion.
 
 On Jun 14, 2013, at 6:45 PM, zoe fiog...@rogers.com wrote:
 
 Hi everyone, I am thinking about getting a base  iMac. I am thinking 
 about getting a fusion drive and running Windows 8. I have been using 
 windows for 13 years and IM a little afraid to convert to the Mac. I use 
 an iPhone, and that has opened up a new world for me. The accessibility 
 that I have gotten  with voice over in my humble opinion, is excellent. 
 Even though I love my iPhone, the truth of the matter is I am used to 
 windows. Having said all this I really want to make the transition to Mac 
 I believe that I can learn a lot, and I also further believe that my 
 experience will be great. Here is where I need everybody's feedback. The 
 person who assessed me for my new computer suggested I use Boot Camp 
 which comes with the Mac computer. a second person later on suggested 
 that I use fusion because it is easier to toggle between windows and the 
 mac side. When I went to the Apple Store the gentleman who helped me, a 
 very very nice man and knowledgeable invoice over told me I should not go 
 with boot camp or fusion, but I should go with something called parallel. 
 

Re: 2 extremely frustrating problems - please help

2013-06-15 Thread Alex Hall
Me too. Option-cmd-l opens downloads; option-m, if you enabled the keyboard 
commander, opens mail; option with most characters types an alternate 
character, like option-8 for a bullet. So, check the physical key on your 
keyboard and be sure it is working correctly. If it is not a Macbook, you might 
want to replace the keyboard.
On Jun 15, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Maria  Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 HI.  yep i thought that too.  
 Blessings! Maria Joe and loving guide Karly.
 Email/ I Message: fb  bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 twitter: bubbygirl 
 skype: bubbygirl1972
 
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 16/06/2013, at 6:57 AM, Maxwell Ivey maxwelli...@aol.com wrote:
 
 Hello; i think your option key may be sticking.  because command option l is 
 the key sequence for opening the downloads manager.  hope that helps, max 
 On Jun 15, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Rahul Bajaj wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm facing 2 weird and frustrating  challenges while using  Safari on my 
 Mac.
 1. Sometimes, when I press command-l, instead of being directed to   the 
 address bar, I am directed to the downloads folder in Safari. Similarly, 
 when I press M in Safari, it opens Apple Mail even when I am in Safari.
 This gets automatically fixed when I restart my Mac a couple of times.
 2. Sometimes, when I use the keyboard to type something, instead of showing 
 the letters that I  type, it shows weird symbols like  Ó´.
 Have I inadvertently enabled or disabled something?
 I'm completely baffled. Please help.
 
 Best,
 Rahul
 
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Where do you go to download the caring boys onto your iPhone after changing your English voice –

2013-06-15 Thread Chenelle Hancock
Hello everyone! How do you download voices onto your iPhone I Wanna download 
the Karen voice because I have my phone on Australian English severity of girls 
to download the voices? Thank you

Sent from my iPhone

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 2 extremely frustrating problems - please help [4 Updates]
 Fusion boot camp or parallel [3 Updates]
 downloading or safari issue [3 Updates]
 iTunes match [2 Updates]
 Nightowl questions [2 Updates]
 Deleting messages from the server when you delete from mial [5 Updates]
 Another totally unrelated question [3 Updates]
 what's the current state of firefox accessibility with the latest version of 
 mac os10 [3 Updates]
  2 extremely frustrating problems - please help
 Rahul Bajaj rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com Jun 16 02:03AM +0530  
 
 Hi all,
  
 I'm facing 2 weird and frustrating  challenges while using Safari on my Mac.
 1. Sometimes, when I press command-l, instead of being directed to the 
 address bar, I am directed to the downloads folder in Safari. Similarly, when 
 I press M in Safari, it opens Apple Mail even when I am in Safari.
 This gets automatically fixed when I restart my Mac a couple of times.
 2. Sometimes, when I use the keyboard to type something, instead of showing 
 the letters that I type, it shows weird symbols like Ó´.
 Have I inadvertently enabled or disabled something?
 I'm completely baffled. Please help.
  
 Best,
 Rahul
  
 
 Maxwell Ivey maxwelli...@aol.com Jun 15 03:57PM -0500  
 
 Hello; i think your option key may be sticking. because command option l is 
 the key sequence for opening the downloads manager. hope that helps, max 
 On Jun 15, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Rahul Bajaj wrote:
  
  
 
 Maria  Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com Jun 16 07:03AM +1000  
 
 HI. yep i thought that too. 
 Blessings! Maria Joe and loving guide Karly.
 Email/ I Message: fb bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 twitter: bubbygirl 
 skype: bubbygirl1972
  
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
 Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com Jun 15 05:12PM -0400  
 
 Me too. Option-cmd-l opens downloads; option-m, if you enabled the keyboard 
 commander, opens mail; option with most characters types an alternate 
 character, like option-8 for a bullet. So, check the physical key on your 
 keyboard and be sure it is working correctly. If it is not a Macbook, you 
 might want to replace the keyboard.
  To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
  Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries.
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 Have a great day,
 Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
 mehg...@gmail.com
  
 
  Fusion boot camp or parallel
 zoe fiog...@rogers.com Jun 15 09:55AM -0400  
 
 Ok guys, let's say paralel is out. if I go with fusion, am I to understand 
 that I would not be able to boot windows up independedntly and use windows 
 commands? I like the idea if sharing files and etc between windows and mac 
 but I'm a little afraid of not being able to use windows independently,
 Also excuse me I'm not familiar yet with all the mac terminology, but I 
 think if I get the mac now it would come with mountain lion, but I think I 
 read somewhere that something new is coming out in the fall, should I wait 
 for the fall to get the newest out there or should I stick with the mountain 
 lion and get it now? Also trying to make a desision between the mac mini 
 and the beautiful looking 27 inch all in one base i mac and opinions there?
  
 - Original Message - 
 From: Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 8:13 PM
 Subject: Re: Fusion boot camp or parallel
  
  
 My thoughts are that it depends. I used Bootcamp when I started with the 
 Mac, and installed a boot manager that let me just hit w or m to boot into 
 windows or mac. It was great, since I needed to know not a single mac 
 command to use windows, whereas a virtual machine solution requires you to 
 be able to at least launch it in mac first. That said, I had no official 
 training so had to rely on this list and twitter to learn everything about 
 the mac. Since I still needed to use my computer on a daily basis, and since 
 the mac was my only machine, I felt that being able to use native windows 
 would be the best solution for me, until I was either comfortable with the 
 mac or decided it was not for me and stuck with only windows. Needless to 
 say, I got used to the mac and now hardly ever boot windows, and am looking 
 into replacing my bootcamp setup with a vm solution.
  
 If you are close to an Apple Store, you could go in there and get help, 
 especially in the first thirty days while your machine is still under 
 warranty. So, since you have access to help, I think a virtual machine 
 solution is better: no partitioning of the hard drive, not needing to shut 
 

Re: Where do you go to download the caring boys onto your iPhone after changing your English voice –

2013-06-15 Thread Ray Foret jr
The voices are already there.  Just a matter of going in to your language 
settings and switching to Australian English.


Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

On Jun 15, 2013, at 6:24 PM, Chenelle Hancock filmchenelle1...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hello everyone! How do you download voices onto your iPhone I Wanna download 
 the Karen voice because I have my phone on Australian English severity of 
 girls to download the voices? Thank you
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 15/06/2013, at 5:27 PM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
   Today's Topic Summary
 Group: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/topics
 
 2 extremely frustrating problems - please help [4 Updates]
 Fusion boot camp or parallel [3 Updates]
 downloading or safari issue [3 Updates]
 iTunes match [2 Updates]
 Nightowl questions [2 Updates]
 Deleting messages from the server when you delete from mial [5 Updates]
 Another totally unrelated question [3 Updates]
 what's the current state of firefox accessibility with the latest version of 
 mac os10 [3 Updates]
  2 extremely frustrating problems - please help
 Rahul Bajaj rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com Jun 16 02:03AM +0530  
 
 Hi all,
  
 I'm facing 2 weird and frustrating challenges while using Safari on my Mac.
 1. Sometimes, when I press command-l, instead of being directed to the 
 address bar, I am directed to the downloads folder in Safari. Similarly, 
 when I press M in Safari, it opens Apple Mail even when I am in Safari.
 This gets automatically fixed when I restart my Mac a couple of times.
 2. Sometimes, when I use the keyboard to type something, instead of showing 
 the letters that I type, it shows weird symbols like Ó´.
 Have I inadvertently enabled or disabled something?
 I'm completely baffled. Please help.
  
 Best,
 Rahul
  
 Maxwell Ivey maxwelli...@aol.com Jun 15 03:57PM -0500  
 
 Hello; i think your option key may be sticking. because command option l is 
 the key sequence for opening the downloads manager. hope that helps, max 
 On Jun 15, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Rahul Bajaj wrote:
  
  
 Maria  Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com Jun 16 07:03AM +1000  
 
 HI. yep i thought that too. 
 Blessings! Maria Joe and loving guide Karly.
 Email/ I Message: fb bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 twitter: bubbygirl 
 skype: bubbygirl1972
  
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com Jun 15 05:12PM -0400  
 
 Me too. Option-cmd-l opens downloads; option-m, if you enabled the keyboard 
 commander, opens mail; option with most characters types an alternate 
 character, like option-8 for a bullet. So, check the physical key on your 
 keyboard and be sure it is working correctly. If it is not a Macbook, you 
 might want to replace the keyboard.
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 Have a great day,
 Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
 mehg...@gmail.com
  
  Fusion boot camp or parallel
 zoe fiog...@rogers.com Jun 15 09:55AM -0400  
 
 Ok guys, let's say paralel is out. if I go with fusion, am I to understand 
 that I would not be able to boot windows up independedntly and use windows 
 commands? I like the idea if sharing files and etc between windows and mac 
 but I'm a little afraid of not being able to use windows independently,
 Also excuse me I'm not familiar yet with all the mac terminology, but I 
 think if I get the mac now it would come with mountain lion, but I think I 
 read somewhere that something new is coming out in the fall, should I wait 
 for the fall to get the newest out there or should I stick with the mountain 
 lion and get it now? Also trying to make a desision between the mac mini 
 and the beautiful looking 27 inch all in one base i mac and opinions there?
  
 - Original Message - 
 From: Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 8:13 PM
 Subject: Re: Fusion boot camp or parallel
  
  
 My thoughts are that it depends. I used Bootcamp when I started with the 
 Mac, and installed a boot manager that let me just hit w or m to boot into 
 windows or mac. It was great, since I needed to know not a single mac 
 command to use windows, whereas a virtual machine solution requires you to 
 be able to at least launch it in mac first. That said, I had no official 
 training so had to rely on this list and twitter to learn everything about 
 the mac. Since I still needed to use my computer on a daily basis, and since 
 the mac was my only machine, I felt that being able to use native windows 
 would be the best solution for me, until I was either comfortable with the 
 mac or decided it was not for me and stuck with only windows. Needless to 
 say, I got used to the mac and now hardly ever 

Re: Fusion boot camp or parallel

2013-06-15 Thread zoe
Well, ok twenty or thirty dollars isn't so bad so I think I can go ahead and 
when mavric comes out the cost is ok.  Yes the large screen will benefit my 
better half and I do have a little vision that when typing large white print 
on a black background I can manage.  Thank you so much for the info.  I know 
I have a lot to learn and now that I'm apart of this group I feel a little 
more confident to go ahead.  Thanks to all.  I'm still a little confused on 
how the fusion works but I guess in time I'll get it.

- Original Message - 
From: Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: Fusion boot camp or parallel


All Windows commands will work. The left control key is the only problem, 
since it switches you between mac and windows. So, you can alt-tab between 
windows programs, while command-tab (normally used to move between programs 
in the mac) will do nothing. Once you hit that control key, though, 
command-tab will move you between mac apps, letting you get focus off of 
windows and onto a mac program, which is the whole point of running a vm 
instead of bootcamp. I believe you can configure the key to be something 
other than control, but someone more experienced will have to comment on 
that.

Yes, OS10.9 Mavericks is coming in the fall. If you can stand to wait, 
holding off until it is released will save you the cost of upgrading 
(usually $20 to $30), though last year Apple gave free upgrades to those who 
bought Macs close to the Mountain Lion release date. Still, there is no 
telling when the date for that program is, assuming it happens at all.

I have  Mac Mini and regret it - I'd so much rather have a laptop. That 
said, since you are choosing between a Mini and and iMac, it sounds like you 
only want a desktop solution. In that case, it depends on your vision and 
what you want to buy. The iMac has a large screen, so you only need a 
keyboard and mouse, whereas the Mini has no screen but is much smaller. This 
means you can hook the Mini to any monitor or TV you might have, and the 
actual tower will take up less room and cost less. If you rely on enlarged 
text as well as speech, the iMac might be good for you due to its large 
screen. If you need speech only, the Mini would be better since it is 
cheaper and you can just hook up a small monitor to it, taking up less 
space. Some Minis need a monitor connected, even if it is never on, or they 
slow down and become hard to use, which is why I did not say you could 
forego the monitor entirely. Besides, when sighted family or friends need to 
use the computer or help you should something happen to speech or your 
speakers, having a screen right there can be very helpful.
On Jun 15, 2013, at 9:55 AM, zoe fiog...@rogers.com wrote:

 Ok guys, let's say paralel is out. if I go with fusion, am I to understand
 that I would not be able to boot windows up independedntly and use windows
 commands? I like the idea if sharing files and etc between windows and mac
 but I'm a little afraid of not being able to use windows independently,
 Also excuse me I'm not familiar yet with all the mac terminology, but I
 think if I get the mac now it would come with mountain lion, but I think I
 read somewhere that something new is coming out in the fall, should I wait
 for the fall to get the newest out there or should I stick with the 
 mountain
 lion and get it now?  Also trying to make a desision between the mac mini
 and the beautiful looking 27 inch all in one base i mac and opinions 
 there?

 - Original Message - 
 From: Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 8:13 PM
 Subject: Re: Fusion boot camp or parallel


 My thoughts are that it depends. I used Bootcamp when I started with the
 Mac, and installed a boot manager that let me just hit w or m to boot into
 windows or mac. It was great, since I needed to know not a single mac
 command to use windows, whereas a virtual machine solution requires you to
 be able to at least launch it in mac first. That said, I had no official
 training so had to rely on this list and twitter to learn everything about
 the mac. Since I still needed to use my computer on a daily basis, and 
 since
 the mac was my only machine, I felt that being able to use native windows
 would be the best solution for me, until I was either comfortable with the
 mac or decided it was not for me and stuck with only windows. Needless to
 say, I got used to the mac and now hardly ever boot windows, and am 
 looking
 into replacing my bootcamp setup with a vm solution.

 If you are close to an Apple Store, you could go in there and get help,
 especially in the first thirty days while your machine is still under
 warranty. So, since you have access to help, I think a virtual machine
 solution is better: no partitioning of the hard drive, not needing to shut
 down to do something in the other OS, and you 

itunes match content versus what's on my hard drive

2013-06-15 Thread Mary Otten
I wonder if there is a way to find out which songs did not get uploaded when I 
subscribed to iTunes match. If I select the match radio button with music 
selected in the sources table, I see that there are a certain number of 
songs, 11 thousand some, that are available in the cloud. But if I go to the 
songs radio button and select that, so it shows me what's on my hard drive in 
the iTunes media for music, there are a couple hundred or so songs more that 
didn't make it into the cloud. I have run a program called tune up, which is 
suppose to find and eliminate duplicates. Actually, I got sighted help, since 
the app isn't accessible with VO. So there shouldn't be any duplicate records; 
I wonder what caused the difference in number of songs and how to tell which 
didn't make the grade, so to speak.

Mary

Mary Otten
motte...@gmail.com


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Re: Fusion boot camp or parallel

2013-06-15 Thread zoe
Oh good to know is that what you are running? a mac mini with fusion?

- Original Message - 
From: Maria  Joe Chapman 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: Fusion boot camp or parallel


HI.  yes you will be able to use windows independently.  I have a mac mini but 
one day I hope to get a mac book pro or a mac book air.




regards
Maria and crew from australia
email:
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
check out 
www.95-the-mix.com
where we play lots of great music







On 15/06/2013, at 11:55 PM, zoe fiog...@rogers.com wrote:


  Ok guys, let's say paralel is out. if I go with fusion, am I to understand 
  that I would not be able to boot windows up independedntly and use windows 
  commands? I like the idea if sharing files and etc between windows and mac 
  but I'm a little afraid of not being able to use windows independently,
  Also excuse me I'm not familiar yet with all the mac terminology, but I 
  think if I get the mac now it would come with mountain lion, but I think I 
  read somewhere that something new is coming out in the fall, should I wait 
  for the fall to get the newest out there or should I stick with the mountain 
  lion and get it now?  Also trying to make a desision between the mac mini 
  and the beautiful looking 27 inch all in one base i mac and opinions there?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 8:13 PM
  Subject: Re: Fusion boot camp or parallel


  My thoughts are that it depends. I used Bootcamp when I started with the 
  Mac, and installed a boot manager that let me just hit w or m to boot into 
  windows or mac. It was great, since I needed to know not a single mac 
  command to use windows, whereas a virtual machine solution requires you to 
  be able to at least launch it in mac first. That said, I had no official 
  training so had to rely on this list and twitter to learn everything about 
  the mac. Since I still needed to use my computer on a daily basis, and since 
  the mac was my only machine, I felt that being able to use native windows 
  would be the best solution for me, until I was either comfortable with the 
  mac or decided it was not for me and stuck with only windows. Needless to 
  say, I got used to the mac and now hardly ever boot windows, and am looking 
  into replacing my bootcamp setup with a vm solution.

  If you are close to an Apple Store, you could go in there and get help, 
  especially in the first thirty days while your machine is still under 
  warranty. So, since you have access to help, I think a virtual machine 
  solution is better: no partitioning of the hard drive, not needing to shut 
  down to do something in the other OS, and you can even run a vm of win7 and 
  one of win8, or a linux distro, if you wanted to.

  None of this is final, too - if you bootcamp now, you can also use a vm 
  solution and erase your bootcamp later, or vice versa.

  As to virtual machine applications, I have no information on Parallels, but 
  I know Fusion is accessible. Virtualbox, another program, is not very 
  accessible, but it can be used. However, I had sound problems when I tried 
  to use it, so i'd stay away from that one. Really, Fusion seems the best 
  option, unless (as another poster said) Parallels has been updated to be 
  accessible.

  Please don't hesitate to ask questions about the mac as you learn it. We are 
  all here to help, and some of us are even happy to talk to you on the phone 
  or skype if necessary.
  On Jun 14, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi Zoey,

I myself am using Fusion, and it's the most wonderful solution for 
accessing Windows programs along with your mac ones. Bootcamp requires 
some sighted help to set up, unless you can find a guide to help you, 
which I honestly still wouldn't recommend.
As far as Parallels, that's completely inaccessible, the last time i heard 
anything, but they may have changed. A lot of people on this list use 
VmWare Fusion.

On Jun 14, 2013, at 6:45 PM, zoe fiog...@rogers.com wrote:


  Hi everyone, I am thinking about getting a base  iMac. I am thinking 
  about getting a fusion drive and running Windows 8. I have been using 
  windows for 13 years and IM a little afraid to convert to the Mac. I use 
  an iPhone, and that has opened up a new world for me. The accessibility 
  that I have gotten  with voice over in my humble opinion, is excellent. 
  Even though I love my iPhone, the truth of the matter is I am used to 
  windows. Having said all this I really want to make the transition to Mac 
  I believe that I can learn a lot, and I also further believe that my 
  experience will be great. Here is where I need everybody's feedback. The 
  person who assessed me for my new computer suggested I use Boot Camp 
  which 

night owl question

2013-06-15 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
Hi:
How do you view direct conversations and mentions in Night Owl?

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Turning Voice Over On

2013-06-15 Thread Angus Mackinnon
I was doing some exploration of Speech-Voices and some how checked the 
mute. Everything is silent and Command F5 says Voice Over is running is 
on, Speech is off. How do I turn speech is on? Step by step 
instructions please. Thank you.


Angus MacKinnon
MacKinnon Chrest Saying
Latin - Audentes Fortuna Juvat
English - Fortune Assists The Daring
Creating a Better Universe for the future.

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Re: Nightowl questions

2013-06-15 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
No luck on searching. What about filtering to see if someone directed messenger 
you or has had a direct conversation with you?
On Jun 15, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Maria  Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hi.  to follow someone open a new tweet press f space followed by the at 
 simbol and the user name you want to follow.  YOu can also interact with the 
 drawer and follow people and unfollow them that way.  I also think you can 
 open the menu and go in to tools where you can see following and followers.  
 Sorry not sure how to block someone. to search command right arrow until you 
 hear search.  
 
 I hope this helps some.
 
 
 Blessings! Maria Joe and loving guide Karly.
 Email/ I Message: fb  bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 twitter: bubbygirl 
 skype: bubbygirl1972
 
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 16/06/2013, at 3:02 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi:
 I'm coming from Syrinnx, and can't figure out some things in Night Owl. Here 
 are my questions.
 1. How do you follow and unfollow someone?
 2. How do you block a follower?
 3. How do you open links when l doesn't work?
 4. How can I search Twitter? For example inn Syirnx, I used to be able to do 
 a search for beach, and could see all tweets with that word in it.
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Re: Turning Voice Over On

2013-06-15 Thread Matt Dierckens
Hi, well, I have a keyboard commander command set up to mute/unmute speech, 
option D.
Otherwise, go to VO utility. press command 3.
Press VO command J three times, this should be the mute/unmute speech checkbox. 
Press spacebar to uncheck.
HTH.

On 2013-06-15, at 9:47 PM, Angus Mackinnon thedog...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was doing some exploration of Speech-Voices and some how checked the mute. 
 Everything is silent and Command F5 says Voice Over is running is on, Speech 
 is off. How do I turn speech is on? Step by step instructions please. Thank 
 you.
 
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 Latin - Audentes Fortuna Juvat
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Fwd: [New post] Two Ways to Enter and Win a Copy of Mars Edit

2013-06-15 Thread Mike
Hey everybody,

I wanted to update everybody on the giveaway my website is having.
If you missed the last email we are giving away three copies of Mars edit 
absolutely free. Originally we were asking for people to calling on Google 
voice but we are now accepting recordings via dropbox or a similar storage 
service for people outside of the United States.
If you're interested in finding out more please continue reading below and 
visit the website for the rest of the information. 
Thanks everybody and take care.

Mike

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 New post on How to be Blind
   
 
 Two Ways to Enter and Win a Copy of Mars Edit
 by Mike M
 In just over two weeks will be announcing the three readers who will be 
 getting a copy of the best blogging software on the mac for free! We have 
 already been getting calls and choosing a winner is going to be tough. Since 
 many of you are outside the US and can't call our google […]
 
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Very odd problem with pop-ups on a site

2013-06-15 Thread Christine Grassman
I am trying to sign up and create a profile on a site, and everything else on 
the site, including an accessible capcha, is fine, but the pop-ups aren't 
working. Each one is saying pop-up but when I try to use them, nothing is 
being read. Any ideas?
Christine

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Re: night owl question

2013-06-15 Thread Alex Hall
Direct messages are in their own tab. Either cmd-right twice from the main 
timeline tab, or press ctrl-3. Incidentally, mentions are one tab right of the 
timeline, or ctrl-2, and, of course, the main timeline is ctrl-1. You have 
other tabs, and can even make your own if you want to, though I have not tried 
that yet.

To view a conversation, move to a tweet and press cmd-3. This changes your 
current timeline to show all messages in the conversation; hit cmd-1 to return 
to normal. By the way, cmd-2 shows a user view, which is recent tweets from the 
user.
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Re: what's the current state of firefox accessibility with the latest version of mac os10

2013-06-15 Thread Mike Arrigo
The newest official release seems to work ok, though it presents some things 
differently than safari does. Voiceover says leaving row quite a bit. I'd say 
it's usable but still a bit ruff around the edges.
On Jun 15, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote:

 21 is the latest stable version. Firefox 22 is 'Beta' while Firefox 23 is for 
 'developers'.
 
 CB
 
 On 6/15/13 7:02 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
 Hi,
 Are we talking the latest stable release or the nightly build?
 I'm also curious to see how this works.
 /Krister
 
 15 jun 2013 kl. 02:32 skrev Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com:
 
 Hi,
 
 Firefox 21 is very usable although not perfect yet.  It's certainly worth 
 the download and investigating it yourself.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2013-06-14, at 11:07 AM, trahern culver tecks-...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
 
 hey all does any one know the current state of firefox accessibility
 with the latest version of mac os10?
 
 your help with this question would be most welcome kind regards
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Re: what's the current state of firefox accessibility with the latest version of mac os10

2013-06-15 Thread Mike Arrigo
Chrome works pretty well, the only part that doesn't work is list boxes, you 
can use chromevox, or use it with voiceover.
On Jun 15, 2013, at 1:31 PM, shane christenson ksha...@att.net wrote:

 While we seem to be on the subject of web browsers, although I haven't tried 
 it in quite a few months, I'm curious to see if anyone has tried google 
 chrome on the mac. I know, at least on my system, that both firefox and 
 google chrome were very sluggish. Thanks for any input.
 
 Shane
 
 On Jun 14, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Firefox 21 is very usable although not perfect yet.  It's certainly worth 
 the download and investigating it yourself.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
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Re: Nightowl questions

2013-06-15 Thread ppowells09
I sincerely hope this helps. Everyone is so helpful on this list, I save the 
answers I am given that work at the time.

When you start it, the focus should be on your main timeline (once you log in 
of course). From there, use cmd-right or left to move through your timelines 
(home, mentions, DMs, favorites). Up and down arrows will read tweets, provided 
Quicknav is off, and for all other commands, have a look through the dropdown 
menus, specifically the tweet and timeline menus. You will also wanto to open 
preferences with cmd-comma, go to the compose tab, and disable the username and 
hashtag autofill options.
On Feb 27, 2013, at 1:18 PM,ppowell...@aol.com wrote:

 Hi folks,
 I recently installed this program on my Mac. Are the  help files 
 self-explanatory, or is there a good guide to learn how to use this program 
 successfully?
 
 Pam Francis
 
 On Feb 27, 2013, at 7:45 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 When you say you deleted the preferences, what exactly did you delete... I 
 mean like... what files, and where were they located exactly?  I know the 
 .app file, but I mean aside from that?
 
 Chris Gilland.
 Founder of CLG Productions
 http://www.clgproductions.com
 E-mail:ch...@clgproductions.com
 Phone: 803-760-7136
 Toll-Free: 1-888-405-3185
 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except weekends and holidays.
 - Original Message - From: Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:46
 Subject: Re: Yorufukurou Trouble
 
 
 Nope, never had this problem. Only thing I can think of is maybe looking 
 around in ~/library for any psettings files for yorufukurou; not sure if 
 deleting the app always rids you of these settings.
 
 On Feb 18, 2013, at 5:43 AM, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Every time I try to re-open Yorufukurou, I get a notice saying that it quit 
 unexpctedly while trying to open windows. No matter if I hit the button to 
 open them or not, it continues to crash.  I deleted the app and its prefs. I 
 re-installed the app. I have tried rebooting. I am running Mountain Lion.  
 Does anyone have suggestions for this?
 
 Jane
 
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Hi,
Here are instructions Alex gave me when I initially installed the program.
Hope they help.





Pam Francis

On Jun 15, 2013, at 9:20 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
wrote:

No luck on searching. What about filtering to see if someone directed messenger 
you or has had a direct conversation with you?
On Jun 15, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Maria  Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hi.  to follow someone open a new tweet press f space followed by the at 
 simbol and the user name 

Re: iTunes match

2013-06-15 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

I don't believe so, but you can purchase a Gift Certificate through the iTunes 
Store that is eMailed to the recipient.  The Gift Certificate usually can be 
used for anything in the iTunes or App Stores and thus be able to be used for 
iTunes Match subscriptions since it just is a charge to your Apple ID account.

Later...

On 2013-06-15, at 2:46 PM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Don't think so I haven't seen the option to send it as a gift.
 
 
 Chris
 
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 Hi:
 Does anyone know if you can gift an iTunes match subscription?
 
 
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Re: downloading or safari issue

2013-06-15 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

Yes, I'm pretty sure that I heard of some issues with ChromeVox when using some 
of the newer voices.  I know that you can use it with Alex just fine.  You may 
also be able to use Alex to begin with and then select one of the Google Voices 
instead of using an Apple Voice.  This may fix your issue.

Later...

On 2013-06-15, at 2:59 PM, Maria  Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote:

 HI.  I am using moira as the system voice and I think that's what cromevox 
 would be using?
 God Bless! Maria from australia
  Newbie mac user.
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 will get you fb as well as email  iMessage.   
 skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 16/06/2013, at 2:01 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hmmm.  I'm wondering if you use a different voice the the Apple supplied 
 Alex?
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2013-06-14, at 4:22 PM, Maria  Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 HI it crashes randomly and it only started doing it when I decided to give 
 crome vox a try.  
 
 
 Maria Chapman
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 
 The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong. - 
 Mahatma Gandhi
 
 On 14/06/2013, at 11:25 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Is there anything you're doing when it crashes or does it crash randomly?  
 Does it crash on startup or at some other time?  Are you using VO alone 
 with Chrome or are you using ChromeVox?
 
 Sorry, I just need more info to do a good job helping.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2013-06-14, at 12:32 AM, Maria  Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi.  crome tends to crash on me.  any suggestions?
 
 
 Maria Chapman
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 
 The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong. 
 - Mahatma Gandhi
 
 On 14/06/2013, at 2:01 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 This sort of problem tends to happen when Web-Developers use fancier 
 links that VO doesn't seem to handle well.  I'm guessing that your focus 
 on the link was fine since when you pressed Option-return, it started 
 the download fine.  I'm not convinced that Chrome or Firefox on the Mac 
 would have handled it much differently.  Firefox is hundreds of times 
 better than it was a year ago but still has some issues so I do find it 
 frustrating to use most of the time.  Chrome with ChromeVox is actually 
 quite nice, especially in Google Apps environments but the ChromeVox 
 Users Guide does suggest pressing return on links which is actually the 
 MacOS handling the action, not ChromeVox or VO.
 
 Interesting suggestion when I've not heard of very many VO users 
 actually using Firefox or Chrome particularly often.
 
 Later...
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2013-06-13, at 9:09 PM, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:
 
 Hello, Tim, et al. This is the message Ray made reference too which 
 makes your help much more appreciated.
 From Philip at CNIB
 Hi Kerri,
  
 It is of course completely up to you if you want to use a new browser 
 but I know we have clients using Firefox and Chrome. At this stage if 
 you try out one of these browsers and it works for you then we may be 
 able to isolate the problem to Safari, or your particular installation 
 of Safari.
  
 You are using Voiceover correct? Given what you are downloading it 
 definitely sounds like you are not hitting the actual Download link. 
 There was a time where our JAWS users on our old site where trying to 
 download books and ended up downloading the web page instead. It was 
 because the focus of their screenreader was not on the actual link. Is 
 there anything you can do to confirm that your screenreader is focused 
 on the Download link before you select it?
  
 Thanks,
 Philip Springall
 
 On 2013-06-13, at 12:56 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 What did you press when attempting to start the download?  I've found 
 that sometimes either pressing Return or Option-return works on some 
 sites.  Return simply activates the link whereas Option-return starts 
 to download whatever is attached to that link.
 
 I haven't used the CNIB site much as I used to find that the CNIB 
 didn't cater much to us folks that live in the sticks, nor did they 
 know much about the Mac.  That's probably not a fair comment now but 
 it's how things used to work years ago.  Anyway, I digress.
 
 See if either of those suggestions help.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2013-06-13, at 12:25 PM, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:
 
 Hello, all. I' trying to access the CNIB library in order to download 
 books. When I click on the download link, rather than download the 
 book, I have part of the website and the only assistance I received 
 from the BNIB was to download google chrome. Any help would greatly 
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Re: itunes match content versus what's on my hard drive

2013-06-15 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

When showing your Music Library in iTunes, press cmd-j to bring up your View 
Options.  Check the box that says iCloud Download.  This will put a new 
column in your Music Table that will read Local if it is stored locally, 
Needs Upload if it still needs uploaded to iCloud, Download if it is only 
in iCloud, Error if there was an error, and Ineligible if it is something 
that does not get stored in iCloud.  That could be things like Album covers and 
such.  If you sort things by that column, you can easily locate the items that 
are not Local which would possibly be the ones causing the number difference.

Later...

On 2013-06-15, at 6:01 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:

 I wonder if there is a way to find out which songs did not get uploaded when 
 I subscribed to iTunes match. If I select the match radio button with music 
 selected in the sources table, I see that there are a certain number of 
 songs, 11 thousand some, that are available in the cloud. But if I go to the 
 songs radio button and select that, so it shows me what's on my hard drive in 
 the iTunes media for music, there are a couple hundred or so songs more that 
 didn't make it into the cloud. I have run a program called tune up, which is 
 suppose to find and eliminate duplicates. Actually, I got sighted help, since 
 the app isn't accessible with VO. So there shouldn't be any duplicate 
 records; I wonder what caused the difference in number of songs and how to 
 tell which didn't make the grade, so to speak.
 
 Mary
 
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Re: Turning Voice Over On

2013-06-15 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

• Open VoiceOver Utility with VO-f8.
• Press the down arrow key twice.
• Press VO-right arrow three times.
• Press VO-space.

That should do it for you.

Later...

On 2013-06-15, at 7:47 PM, Angus Mackinnon thedog...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was doing some exploration of Speech-Voices and some how checked the mute. 
 Everything is silent and Command F5 says Voice Over is running is on, Speech 
 is off. How do I turn speech is on? Step by step instructions please. Thank 
 you.
 
 Angus MacKinnon
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Re: Turning Voice Over On

2013-06-15 Thread Angus Mackinnon

Tim

Thank you. I saved your email for later. After rebooting and logging in, 
everything is fine.

Angus MacKinnon
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