Re: Whart will people use Siri for on the Mac?

[Hannah]

Hi oh wow i wil be getting my new mack for christmas it's my first one .

I am excited .

glad mail works well

On 25/09/2016 01:34, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

I am sure we will all have a use for Siri at some point as at the
moment, I love mail as it's so clean and the whole interface for the new
operating system is one of the best I've seen to date.  We should thank
all the testers for working so hard sending in bug reports and most
importantly persuading Apple to fix things.

Kawal.

On 25 Sep 2016, at 01:00, Jenine Stanley > wrote:

Mine is quite slow on my mid 2012 MBP but I do use it for opening
apps. I also appreciate quickly getting my system stats with it. Not
sure whatelse I’ll use it for but possibly opening web pages will be
something worthwhile.
Jenine Stanley
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On Sep 24, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Alex Hall > wrote:

I find it helpful for quickly sending tweets or messages, opening
apps, getting the definitions or spellings of words, and looking for
files/pictures. For instance, I needed to find a particular picture
I'd taken the previous day, so simply told Siri to "show pictures I
took yesterday". Yes, it's easier to do things on a Mac than an
iPhone with a keyboard, but it's often easier with Siri, even on the
Mac. I might not have Messages open, or I might be in the middle of
something and want to dash off a reply as soon as I can. Or I might
be writing something, and just need to check a definition before
typing a word; Siri is far faster than typing the word, looking it
up, and finding the web content holding the definitions. The latter
is more thorough, but all I need is a quick check. Finally, Siri is
great for quickly playing music, especially for Apple Music
subscribers. Even if you don't use that service, Siri can play any
song, artist, or playlist in your library, just like on iOS. Don't
want to deal with iTunes? Just tell Siri to play a song, or that you
love or don't like the current song, or any similar commands.

On Sep 24, 2016, at 19:09, Kawal Gucukoglu > wrote:

Hi.

I don't know why Siri is on the Mac as I find it very weird being
able to tell Siri what to do as I'm use to it on the I phone but not
so on the Mac.  You see, I'm use to typing on the Mac and dictating
on my I phone.

So out of interest, what will people use Siri for on the Mac?  Apart
from asking Siri daft questions, and asking Siri to send your
messages and short replies to your e-mails, what else can you do as
you can't  take your I Mac or Mac Mini out of the house!

Kawal.

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Re: Have any VMWare fusion users found workarounds for remapping their caps key now that Karabiner and Seal don't work on Sierra?

[Jonathan Mosen]

I've taken a read of what's available about the new Karabina Elements, as I'm 
really keen to get this functionality back. I wasn't able to work out how to 
create a configuration file that remaps the capslock key. If just one of us 
could get to the bottom of the way to do this, we could make the config file 
available. I've written to the developer but haven't had an answer as yet.

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> On 25/09/2016, at 1:17 PM, Grant  wrote:
> 
> Hi Traci,
> 
> I don’t see why not as this is exactly the kind of use case for Karabiner. 
> But I’m going to wait until the Sierra version is a little more mature before 
> giving it a go as it’s only in the pre-release stage and everything has to be 
> edited manually in configuration files. On their website, there is info that 
> you can read through to learn how to build the configuration files.
> 
> Grant
> 
>> On Saturday September 24, 2016, at 5:13:02 PM, Traci Duncan 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, would this manual remapping work to remap the right command key into 
>> right control?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Traci
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Grant  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Megan,
>>> 
>>> A new version of Karabiner is being developed for Sierra. Currently 
>>> however, you have to remap the key by creating a configuration file 
>>> manually. Here is the info in case you’d like to give it a shot: 
>>> https://github.com/tekezo/Karabiner-Elements
>>> 
>>> Until it’s released, I’ve gone back to using the accent key as my screen 
>>> reading key as E.T. has suggested. But I really do miss having the caps 
>>> lock key working as the screen reading key.
>>> 
>>> Grant
>>> 
 On Saturday September 24, 2016, at 10:34:59 AM, Megan Bening 
  wrote:
 
 Hello all, 
 I did a stupid thing and upgraded to Sierra without properly checking to 
 see whether *everything* worked. I guess it never occurred to me that 
 karabiner and Seil would be the things that would break, but there ya go. 
 Ergo, functionally my virtual machines are broken, since now I can't use 
 the Mac's keyboard to interact with JAWS or NVDA, since my caps remapping 
 is gone. I also used Karabiner to remap my mechanical keyboard at work in 
 some very specific ways, since it's a very strange little keyboard and the 
 layout was just very fiddly, so that's not much fun either. But the upshot 
 is, has anyone found another solution that works for remapping? Ideally, 
 something that still allows me to remap caps lock, since I still actually 
 use some of the other commonly remapped keys like the tilde key, etc. I 
 know I can't be the only person who relies heavily on VMWare and Windows 
 along with Sierra, and someone else must be looking for a solution as 
 well. 
 thanks for any advice! 
 Megan 
 
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Re: universal copy/paste not working

[David Chittenden]

Yes, iCloud keychain needs to be on. It secures all the data.

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> On 25/09/2016, at 16:12, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Oh!  Does keychain have to be on? Waaait! a minute here!  Is that! also what 
> is going on with my contacts perhaps, as I did! indeed turn keychain off on 
> both devices.
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> - Original Message - From: "Daniel Miller" 
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> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 1:39 PM
> Subject: Re: universal copy/paste not working
> 
> 
>> Make sure you have iCloud keychain enabled on both devices as well.
>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 1:27 PM, Anouk Radix  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> I just installed os x sierra and i have ios 10 on my idevice. Bluetooth is 
>>> turned on on both devices as is handoff. Both devices are loged into icloud.
>>> Still: universal copy/paste does not seem to be working. I enter text in 
>>> textedit on the mac, hit select all and copy when i try to pase it on ios 
>>> using the vo rotor the text does not get pasted. I already tried restarting 
>>> both devices to no avail.
>>> Anyone knows whats going on? Icloud seems to be working well otherwise 
>>> emailadresses and remidners get synced correctly from one device to the 
>>> other. The mac is from 2013 so 3 years old. The iphone is 2 years old, an 
>>> iphone 6.
>>> Thanks in advance for any info,
>>> Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: Whart will people use Siri for on the Mac?

[Singing Sparrow]

I know people yell at their computers, but I would think that you would 
not have to do that with siri



On 9/24/2016 7:42 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

I like Siri, I can yell at my computer now and it responds.:)

No I like opening applications or quick dictation.  Sometimes you want to know 
something random like the net worth of Mountain Man or something odd. :)



On Sep 24, 2016, at 7:09 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

Hi.

I don't know why Siri is on the Mac as I find it very weird being able to tell 
Siri what to do as I'm use to it on the I phone but not so on the Mac.  You 
see, I'm use to typing on the Mac and dictating on my I phone.

So out of interest, what will people use Siri for on the Mac?  Apart from 
asking Siri daft questions, and asking Siri to send your messages and short 
replies to your e-mails, what else can you do as you can't  take your I Mac or 
Mac Mini out of the house!

Kawal.

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Re: Bugs in Apple Mail with MacOS 10.12

[Grant]

Hi Kawal,

Correct, VO-Left and VO-Right work fine in the mail app. It’s just the tab 
order which is not working correctly. Since tabbing can interact automatically, 
it’s often a very efficient way to navigate through a MacOS application.

Grant

> On Saturday September 24, 2016, at 5:29:55 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
>  wrote:
> 
> I locate the mailboxes table with VO left and right arrow with no problem.
> 
> I hardly use the tab and shift key when operating mail.  It's always vo left 
> arrow or VO right arrow.
> 
> I don't even use the command J for jump either.  I work in the modern view 
> and just expand messages and read that way.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 25 Sep 2016, at 00:54, Grant > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Kawal,
>> 
>> The bug is that you cannot locate the mailboxes table while navigating 
>> through the window with Shift-Tab. If you’re using the Tab key, you’ll be 
>> able to see it without any problem. Again, this only applies to MacOS Sierra.
>> 
>> Grant
>> 
>>> On Saturday September 24, 2016, at 4:18:36 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can't find the bvug that people are talking about in Mail as I have no 
>>> problem locating the Mailboxes table at the left of messages.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
 On 24 Sep 2016, at 22:40, Agent086b > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 I use the jump command VO + J. This jumps from either mailboxes to 
 messages or the other way back.
 Max.
> On 25 Sep. 2016, at 3:07 am, John Panarese  > wrote:
> 
>Thank you. That’s a great, easy solution.
> 
> 
> Take Care
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>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 1:05 PM, gs > > wrote:
>> 
>> Confirmed the can't shift tab to mailboxes but if you shift tab once and 
>> then tab, you can get to the mailboxes. This saves having to forward tab 
>> so much.
>> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:29 AM, Grant > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> Wondering if you folks can confirm the following:
>> 
>> 1. You can't Shift-Tab to the mailboxes table as it will not appear in 
>> the tab order. So, for instance, if you are focussed in the messages 
>> list you need to tab several times until you wrap back around to the 
>> mailboxes table.
>> 2. If you are in the mailboxes table and press VO-Fn-Right Arrow (that’s 
>> VO-End), Mail freezes and needs to be restarted to continue using it.
>> 3. I’ll admit I haven’t exhausted all possibilities here, but can’t 
>> change the contents of the favourites bar via VO’s drag and drop or via 
>> the “mouse button locking” method that used to work.
>> 4. Unless you hide the favourites bar, each folder in the favourites bar 
>> now appears in the tab order. I’ll admit this is more of a “change in 
>> behaviour” than a bug.
>> 
>> Would love to hear your thoughts.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Grant
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RE: found IOS 10 bugs

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mary,

I’ll check this again on my phone see if it’s saying delete which I jus hadn’t 
noticed.

Chers,

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Subject: Re: found IOS 10 bugs

Hi Simon. I have an iPhone 6s. Waiting for my 7+.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 23, 2016, at 10:30 PM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
Hi Mary,

Which phone do you have?
Interesting that It’s coming up as button to me but no delete with it,
Yet your finding it with the delete
The location is as it’s been for some time and that is as you say to the right 
of the edit field for the phone number.

Cheers,


Simon

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Subject: Re: found IOS 10 bugs

Hi Simon,
Regarding your first bug with the delete button, I am finding something that 
says delete  that was not identified as a button, to the right of the area 
where the number is being entered as you enter a phone number. Double tapping 
on this  deletes the last number you entered. I'm not finding any unlabeled 
buttons, just the keypad with the call button below zero and save his contact 
and the phone number being entered and this delete thing at the top

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 23, 2016, at 9:22 PM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
Hi list,

Not sure if this is just me on my iPhone 6s+ but I’ve just found a couple of 
oddities.

Firstly the delete button on the phone keypad says button not delete like it 
used to,

I’m sure in the public beta it said delete but can’t be sure of that one.

It is still there just not labelled and it works fine.

Is anyone else seeing the same thing?

The second thing I’ve noticed is that during a phone call where I had to setup 
a pin number for something  during the call I hadn’t noticed my phone had 
locked the screan while I was talking

When I had to insert my pin code details I unlocked the phone and the keypad 
was no longer being picked up as as having the keys pressed  yet the pad was 
giving the tones each time the keys were touched.
Another oddity,
Just wondering if this is happening with anyone else on other devices

Cheers,


Simon F

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Re: universal copy/paste not working

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Oh!  Does keychain have to be on? Waaait! a minute here!  Is that! also what 
is going on with my contacts perhaps, as I did! indeed turn keychain off on 
both devices.

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Subject: Re: universal copy/paste not working



Make sure you have iCloud keychain enabled on both devices as well.


On Sep 24, 2016, at 1:27 PM, Anouk Radix  wrote:

Hi Everyone,
I just installed os x sierra and i have ios 10 on my idevice. Bluetooth 
is turned on on both devices as is handoff. Both devices are loged into 
icloud.
Still: universal copy/paste does not seem to be working. I enter text in 
textedit on the mac, hit select all and copy when i try to pase it on ios 
using the vo rotor the text does not get pasted. I already tried 
restarting both devices to no avail.
Anyone knows whats going on? Icloud seems to be working well otherwise 
emailadresses and remidners get synced correctly from one device to the 
other. The mac is from 2013 so 3 years old. The iphone is 2 years old, an 
iphone 6.

Thanks in advance for any info,
Greetings, Anouk,

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Re: universal copy/paste not working

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You're lucky for even some of the time working, as I tried literally 
probably about 30 times doing identically what was mentioned with Text Edit. 
It doesn't work over here, trust me.


I wasn't gonna say anything, as I know there are those on this list who'd 
say I was being a cry baby, and wouldn't believe me.  I was therefore just 
waiting for others to say it don't work, before I, too, confirmed.  Now that 
you all know I'm not! just complaining, it really doesn't work, what's with 
it?

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- Original Message - 
From: "Jürgen Fleger" 

To: "Mac Visionaries Visionaries" 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: universal copy/paste not working


Hallo Anouk,
I experienced both: sometimes universal clipboard works and sometimes not. I 
additional experience sluggishness related to iCloud. Ones I deleted a pdf 
file in iCloud Drive and it took several hours until it was gonne on all my 
other devices, even though all devices were connected to the internet. That’s 
one reason why I personally haven’t left Dropbox yet. It’s much more 
reliable and faster then iCloud, unfortunately. I’d love to shift completely 
to iCloud Drive. And so my guess is universal clipboard sometimes needs more 
time as well to sync.

All the best
Jürgen


Am 24.09.2016 um 19:27 schrieb Anouk Radix :

Hi Everyone,
I just installed os x sierra and i have ios 10 on my idevice. Bluetooth is 
turned on on both devices as is handoff. Both devices are loged into 
icloud.
Still: universal copy/paste does not seem to be working. I enter text in 
textedit on the mac, hit select all and copy when i try to pase it on ios 
using the vo rotor the text does not get pasted. I already tried 
restarting both devices to no avail.
Anyone knows whats going on? Icloud seems to be working well otherwise 
emailadresses and remidners get synced correctly from one device to the 
other. The mac is from 2013 so 3 years old. The iphone is 2 years old, an 
iphone 6.

Thanks in advance for any info,
Greetings, Anouk,

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Re: universal copy/paste not working

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Welcome to the family, and join the club.  I can't  get it working either.
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- Original Message - 
From: "Anouk Radix" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 1:27 PM
Subject: universal copy/paste not working



Hi Everyone,
I just installed os x sierra and i have ios 10 on my idevice. Bluetooth is 
turned on on both devices as is handoff. Both devices are loged into 
icloud.
Still: universal copy/paste does not seem to be working. I enter text in 
textedit on the mac, hit select all and copy when i try to pase it on ios 
using the vo rotor the text does not get pasted. I already tried 
restarting both devices to no avail.
Anyone knows whats going on? Icloud seems to be working well otherwise 
emailadresses and remidners get synced correctly from one device to the 
other. The mac is from 2013 so 3 years old. The iphone is 2 years old, an 
iphone 6.

Thanks in advance for any info,
Greetings, Anouk,

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RE: Word to pages batch converter?

[Simon Fogarty]

What about using an RTF format document?

  Surely RTF would be picked up by Pages 

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Word to pages batch converter?

So, I have searched the App Store, googled, and came up with nothing.  All the 
apps that come up want to do pages to word, and pdf to word.  So is there an 
app that does word to pages, or am I reaching here?  Thanks.

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Re: Signatures again.

[John Panarese]

  I don’t know. I recall the same thing happening to me, which is why I had to 
create them from scratch on each system. However, this was a while back, so it 
might have changed in later operating systems.


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> On Sep 24, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> John, I have noticed that when I do signatures on 1 system, it removes them 
> on another.  Meaning, it won’t stay on both at the same time.  You have a fix 
> for this?
>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 8:41 PM, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>>I’d have to check to see if mail signatures are supposed to actually sync 
>> over. For some reason, I recall having to do them myself again on each 
>> system. You might want to uncheck Mail and recheck it again on the Mini in 
>> System Prefs in iCloud settings.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
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>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
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>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 8:38 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes it did John.
>>> 
>>> I was so happy with the fresh install as there were no hitches.  I just 
>>> found the Macmini a bit slow than my powerful I Mac as it has half the 
>>> memory being a 16 rather than the 32 ram.  `Now it feels as if it's come 
>>> from the factory.  So much better than windows.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
 On 25 Sep 2016, at 01:28, John Panarese > wrote:
 
Did everything else sync over onto the Mini from iCloud?
 
 
 Take Care
 
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> On Sep 24, 2016, at 8:25 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:
> 
> I did create a new one John and put it in I cloud but even though my Mac 
> Mini is on the same network it can't find it.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 25 Sep 2016, at 00:21, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>>Does the popup give you the option for the signature. What you might 
>> want to do is create a new signature and just copy and paste the text 
>> from the original to the new one.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
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>> Director
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>>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 7:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's set to none.  I want it set to my name.  That is the problem, how 
>>> can I get it set to my Signature in In I Cloud?  I want to drag my 
>>> signature to the pop up box but I don't know how.
 On 24 Sep 2016, at 23:59, John Panarese > wrote:
 
 In Mail preferences, when you are looking at the iCloud signature, 
 there is a popup button all the way to the right. This will set the 
 signature as the default one. Is that set?
 
 
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> On Sep 24, 2016, at 6:31 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  

Re: Bugs in Apple Mail with MacOS 10.12

[Kliphton Miller]

Why not just use favorites?  That way you can use 1 threw 0 respectively to go 
to your desired mail boxes.
> On Sep 24, 2016, at 7:54 PM, Grant  wrote:
> 
> Hello Kawal,
> 
> The bug is that you cannot locate the mailboxes table while navigating 
> through the window with Shift-Tab. If you’re using the Tab key, you’ll be 
> able to see it without any problem. Again, this only applies to MacOS Sierra.
> 
> Grant
> 
>> On Saturday September 24, 2016, at 4:18:36 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> I can't find the bvug that people are talking about in Mail as I have no 
>> problem locating the Mailboxes table at the left of messages.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 24 Sep 2016, at 22:40, Agent086b >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I use the jump command VO + J. This jumps from either mailboxes to messages 
>>> or the other way back.
>>> Max.
 On 25 Sep. 2016, at 3:07 am, John Panarese > wrote:
 
Thank you. That’s a great, easy solution.
 
 
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> On Sep 24, 2016, at 1:05 PM, gs  > wrote:
> 
> Confirmed the can't shift tab to mailboxes but if you shift tab once and 
> then tab, you can get to the mailboxes. This saves having to forward tab 
> so much.
> 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:29 AM, Grant  > wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> Wondering if you folks can confirm the following:
> 
> 1. You can't Shift-Tab to the mailboxes table as it will not appear in 
> the tab order. So, for instance, if you are focussed in the messages list 
> you need to tab several times until you wrap back around to the mailboxes 
> table.
> 2. If you are in the mailboxes table and press VO-Fn-Right Arrow (that’s 
> VO-End), Mail freezes and needs to be restarted to continue using it.
> 3. I’ll admit I haven’t exhausted all possibilities here, but can’t 
> change the contents of the favourites bar via VO’s drag and drop or via 
> the “mouse button locking” method that used to work.
> 4. Unless you hide the favourites bar, each folder in the favourites bar 
> now appears in the tab order. I’ll admit this is more of a “change in 
> behaviour” than a bug.
> 
> Would love to hear your thoughts.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Grant
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Re: Signatures again.

[Kliphton Miller]

John, I have noticed that when I do signatures on 1 system, it removes them on 
another.  Meaning, it won’t stay on both at the same time.  You have a fix for 
this?
> On Sep 24, 2016, at 8:41 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>I’d have to check to see if mail signatures are supposed to actually sync 
> over. For some reason, I recall having to do them myself again on each 
> system. You might want to uncheck Mail and recheck it again on the Mini in 
> System Prefs in iCloud settings.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
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> Mac for the Blind
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>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 8:38 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes it did John.
>> 
>> I was so happy with the fresh install as there were no hitches.  I just 
>> found the Macmini a bit slow than my powerful I Mac as it has half the 
>> memory being a 16 rather than the 32 ram.  `Now it feels as if it's come 
>> from the factory.  So much better than windows.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 25 Sep 2016, at 01:28, John Panarese >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>Did everything else sync over onto the Mini from iCloud?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
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>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
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>>> 
 On Sep 24, 2016, at 8:25 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > wrote:
 
 I did create a new one John and put it in I cloud but even though my Mac 
 Mini is on the same network it can't find it.
 
 Kawal.
> On 25 Sep 2016, at 00:21, John Panarese  > wrote:
> 
>Does the popup give you the option for the signature. What you might 
> want to do is create a new signature and just copy and paste the text 
> from the original to the new one.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
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>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 7:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>> It's set to none.  I want it set to my name.  That is the problem, how 
>> can I get it set to my Signature in In I Cloud?  I want to drag my 
>> signature to the pop up box but I don't know how.
>>> On 24 Sep 2016, at 23:59, John Panarese >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> In Mail preferences, when you are looking at the iCloud signature, 
>>> there is a popup button all the way to the right. This will set the 
>>> signature as the default one. Is that set?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
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>>> 
 On Sep 24, 2016, at 6:31 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > wrote:
 
 Hi John.
 
 What I'd like to do is if I have an I phone, Mac or Mac Mini and 
 because I'm using the same ID for all, because I have composed my 
 signature in my mail I Cloud account, regardless of whether I'm 
 sending from an Alias or my main e-mail, I can select the same 
 signature that I might have written regardless of what device I'm 
 using.  Just like if I had composed an I message on my phone, and then 
 finished the same on my Mac.  Do you understand what I'm saying?  I 
 want a globabl signature that will work any where despite what device 
 you are composing from.  May be the same as the universal copy 

Re: Have any VMWare fusion users found workarounds for remapping their caps key now that Karabiner and Seal don't work on Sierra?

[Scott Granados]

Grant, thanks for explaining this.  I wasn’t aware you could remap external to 
the VM like that.  

Thank you

> On Sep 24, 2016, at 7:45 PM, Grant  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> Unfortunately not, the caps lock key is not passed directly through to a 
> virtual machine unless you use a third-party utility to remap it to something 
> else. A few of us were using a couple utilities called Karabiner and Seal to 
> do this, but those do not yet function under Sierra.
> 
> Grant
> 
>> On Saturday September 24, 2016, at 2:34:47 PM, Scott Granados 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Why wouldn’t you just use sharp keys?  Is that not effective for the changes 
>> you mention?
>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 1:34 PM, Megan Bening >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all, 
>>> I did a stupid thing and upgraded to Sierra without properly checking to 
>>> see whether *everything* worked. I guess it never occurred to me that 
>>> karabiner and Seil would be the things that would break, but there ya go. 
>>> Ergo, functionally my virtual machines are broken, since now I can't use 
>>> the Mac's keyboard to interact with JAWS or NVDA, since my caps remapping 
>>> is gone. I also used Karabiner to remap my mechanical keyboard at work in 
>>> some very specific ways, since it's a very strange little keyboard and the 
>>> layout was just very fiddly, so that's not much fun either. But the upshot 
>>> is, has anyone found another solution that works for remapping? Ideally, 
>>> something that still allows me to remap caps lock, since I still actually 
>>> use some of the other commonly remapped keys like the tilde key, etc. I 
>>> know I can't be the only person who relies heavily on VMWare and Windows 
>>> along with Sierra, and someone else must be looking for a solution as well. 
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Re: Whart will people use Siri for on the Mac?

[Scott Granados]

I like Siri, I can yell at my computer now and it responds.:)

No I like opening applications or quick dictation.  Sometimes you want to know 
something random like the net worth of Mountain Man or something odd. :)


> On Sep 24, 2016, at 7:09 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Hi.
> 
> I don't know why Siri is on the Mac as I find it very weird being able to 
> tell Siri what to do as I'm use to it on the I phone but not so on the Mac.  
> You see, I'm use to typing on the Mac and dictating on my I phone.
> 
> So out of interest, what will people use Siri for on the Mac?  Apart from 
> asking Siri daft questions, and asking Siri to send your messages and short 
> replies to your e-mails, what else can you do as you can't  take your I Mac 
> or Mac Mini out of the house!
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Re: Whart will people use Siri for on the Mac?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I hate predictive text and all those automatic things.  I prefer to do things 
manually.
> On 25 Sep 2016, at 01:37, Blee Blat  wrote:
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> I don't find Siri to be useful on the phone, so I don't use it on the mac 
> either. I also disable predictive text, all the autocorrect things and all 
> that stuff. Haven't really found a use for any of it.
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Re: Signatures again.

[John Panarese]

   I’d have to check to see if mail signatures are supposed to actually sync 
over. For some reason, I recall having to do them myself again on each system. 
You might want to uncheck Mail and recheck it again on the Mini in System Prefs 
in iCloud settings.


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> On Sep 24, 2016, at 8:38 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Yes it did John.
> 
> I was so happy with the fresh install as there were no hitches.  I just found 
> the Macmini a bit slow than my powerful I Mac as it has half the memory being 
> a 16 rather than the 32 ram.  `Now it feels as if it's come from the factory. 
>  So much better than windows.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 25 Sep 2016, at 01:28, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>>Did everything else sync over onto the Mini from iCloud?
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
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>>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 8:25 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I did create a new one John and put it in I cloud but even though my Mac 
>>> Mini is on the same network it can't find it.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
 On 25 Sep 2016, at 00:21, John Panarese > wrote:
 
Does the popup give you the option for the signature. What you might 
 want to do is create a new signature and just copy and paste the text from 
 the original to the new one.
 
 
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> On Sep 24, 2016, at 7:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:
> 
> It's set to none.  I want it set to my name.  That is the problem, how 
> can I get it set to my Signature in In I Cloud?  I want to drag my 
> signature to the pop up box but I don't know how.
>> On 24 Sep 2016, at 23:59, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>> In Mail preferences, when you are looking at the iCloud signature, 
>> there is a popup button all the way to the right. This will set the 
>> signature as the default one. Is that set?
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
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>>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 6:31 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi John.
>>> 
>>> What I'd like to do is if I have an I phone, Mac or Mac Mini and 
>>> because I'm using the same ID for all, because I have composed my 
>>> signature in my mail I Cloud account, regardless of whether I'm sending 
>>> from an Alias or my main e-mail, I can select the same signature that I 
>>> might have written regardless of what device I'm using.  Just like if I 
>>> had composed an I message on my phone, and then finished the same on my 
>>> Mac.  Do you understand what I'm saying?  I want a globabl signature 
>>> that will work any where despite what device you are composing from.  
>>> May be the same as the universal copy and paste feature that people 
>>> have been talking about.  I must find the Apple Viz Podcast which 
>>> explains it.  If anyone has that link please post it or send me off 
>>> list please.
>>> 
>>> To the left of this message there is a signature pop up button and I 
>>> can't select my signature that I wrote a few months ago because I have 
>>> installed Sierra but can see all the text in my I cloud signature 
>>> settings.  I find this so frustrating.

Re: Signatures again.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Yes it did John.

I was so happy with the fresh install as there were no hitches.  I just found 
the Macmini a bit slow than my powerful I Mac as it has half the memory being a 
16 rather than the 32 ram.  `Now it feels as if it's come from the factory.  So 
much better than windows.

Kawal.
> On 25 Sep 2016, at 01:28, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>Did everything else sync over onto the Mini from iCloud?
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 8:25 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>> I did create a new one John and put it in I cloud but even though my Mac 
>> Mini is on the same network it can't find it.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 25 Sep 2016, at 00:21, John Panarese >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>Does the popup give you the option for the signature. What you might 
>>> want to do is create a new signature and just copy and paste the text from 
>>> the original to the new one.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
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>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 24, 2016, at 7:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > wrote:
 
 It's set to none.  I want it set to my name.  That is the problem, how can 
 I get it set to my Signature in In I Cloud?  I want to drag my signature 
 to the pop up box but I don't know how.
> On 24 Sep 2016, at 23:59, John Panarese  > wrote:
> 
> In Mail preferences, when you are looking at the iCloud signature, 
> there is a popup button all the way to the right. This will set the 
> signature as the default one. Is that set?
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
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> 
>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 6:31 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John.
>> 
>> What I'd like to do is if I have an I phone, Mac or Mac Mini and because 
>> I'm using the same ID for all, because I have composed my signature in 
>> my mail I Cloud account, regardless of whether I'm sending from an Alias 
>> or my main e-mail, I can select the same signature that I might have 
>> written regardless of what device I'm using.  Just like if I had 
>> composed an I message on my phone, and then finished the same on my Mac. 
>>  Do you understand what I'm saying?  I want a globabl signature that 
>> will work any where despite what device you are composing from.  May be 
>> the same as the universal copy and paste feature that people have been 
>> talking about.  I must find the Apple Viz Podcast which explains it.  If 
>> anyone has that link please post it or send me off list please.
>> 
>> To the left of this message there is a signature pop up button and I 
>> can't select my signature that I wrote a few months ago because I have 
>> installed Sierra but can see all the text in my I cloud signature 
>> settings.  I find this so frustrating.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 24 Sep 2016, at 22:51, John Panarese >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>I’m not sure what you are trying to do here. Do you mean where the 
>>> signature actually show up in a message. Or do you mean you want to use 
>>> the signature text in different accounts?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
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Re: Whart will people use Siri for on the Mac?

[Blee Blat]

I don't find Siri to be useful on the phone, so I don't use it on the mac 
either. I also disable predictive text, all the autocorrect things and all that 
stuff. Haven't really found a use for any of it.

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Re: Whart will people use Siri for on the Mac?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I am sure we will all have a use for Siri at some point as at the moment, I 
love mail as it's so clean and the whole interface for the new operating system 
is one of the best I've seen to date.  We should thank all the testers for 
working so hard sending in bug reports and most importantly persuading Apple to 
fix things.

Kawal.
> On 25 Sep 2016, at 01:00, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
> Mine is quite slow on my mid 2012 MBP but I do use it for opening apps. I 
> also appreciate quickly getting my system stats with it. Not sure whatelse 
> I’ll use it for but possibly opening web pages will be something worthwhile.
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> I find it helpful for quickly sending tweets or messages, opening apps, 
>> getting the definitions or spellings of words, and looking for 
>> files/pictures. For instance, I needed to find a particular picture I'd 
>> taken the previous day, so simply told Siri to "show pictures I took 
>> yesterday". Yes, it's easier to do things on a Mac than an iPhone with a 
>> keyboard, but it's often easier with Siri, even on the Mac. I might not have 
>> Messages open, or I might be in the middle of something and want to dash off 
>> a reply as soon as I can. Or I might be writing something, and just need to 
>> check a definition before typing a word; Siri is far faster than typing the 
>> word, looking it up, and finding the web content holding the definitions. 
>> The latter is more thorough, but all I need is a quick check. Finally, Siri 
>> is great for quickly playing music, especially for Apple Music subscribers. 
>> Even if you don't use that service, Siri can play any song, artist, or 
>> playlist in your library, just like on iOS. Don't want to deal with iTunes? 
>> Just tell Siri to play a song, or that you love or don't like the current 
>> song, or any similar commands.
>>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 19:09, Kawal Gucukoglu >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> I don't know why Siri is on the Mac as I find it very weird being able to 
>>> tell Siri what to do as I'm use to it on the I phone but not so on the Mac. 
>>>  You see, I'm use to typing on the Mac and dictating on my I phone.
>>> 
>>> So out of interest, what will people use Siri for on the Mac?  Apart from 
>>> asking Siri daft questions, and asking Siri to send your messages and short 
>>> replies to your e-mails, what else can you do as you can't  take your I Mac 
>>> or Mac Mini out of the house!
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
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Re: Bugs in Apple Mail with MacOS 10.12

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I locate the mailboxes table with VO left and right arrow with no problem.

I hardly use the tab and shift key when operating mail.  It's always vo left 
arrow or VO right arrow.

I don't even use the command J for jump either.  I work in the modern view and 
just expand messages and read that way.

Kawal.
> On 25 Sep 2016, at 00:54, Grant  wrote:
> 
> Hello Kawal,
> 
> The bug is that you cannot locate the mailboxes table while navigating 
> through the window with Shift-Tab. If you’re using the Tab key, you’ll be 
> able to see it without any problem. Again, this only applies to MacOS Sierra.
> 
> Grant
> 
>> On Saturday September 24, 2016, at 4:18:36 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> I can't find the bvug that people are talking about in Mail as I have no 
>> problem locating the Mailboxes table at the left of messages.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 24 Sep 2016, at 22:40, Agent086b >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I use the jump command VO + J. This jumps from either mailboxes to messages 
>>> or the other way back.
>>> Max.
 On 25 Sep. 2016, at 3:07 am, John Panarese > wrote:
 
Thank you. That’s a great, easy solution.
 
 
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> On Sep 24, 2016, at 1:05 PM, gs  > wrote:
> 
> Confirmed the can't shift tab to mailboxes but if you shift tab once and 
> then tab, you can get to the mailboxes. This saves having to forward tab 
> so much.
> 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:29 AM, Grant  > wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> Wondering if you folks can confirm the following:
> 
> 1. You can't Shift-Tab to the mailboxes table as it will not appear in 
> the tab order. So, for instance, if you are focussed in the messages list 
> you need to tab several times until you wrap back around to the mailboxes 
> table.
> 2. If you are in the mailboxes table and press VO-Fn-Right Arrow (that’s 
> VO-End), Mail freezes and needs to be restarted to continue using it.
> 3. I’ll admit I haven’t exhausted all possibilities here, but can’t 
> change the contents of the favourites bar via VO’s drag and drop or via 
> the “mouse button locking” method that used to work.
> 4. Unless you hide the favourites bar, each folder in the favourites bar 
> now appears in the tab order. I’ll admit this is more of a “change in 
> behaviour” than a bug.
> 
> Would love to hear your thoughts.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Grant
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Re: Signatures again.

[John Panarese]

   Did everything else sync over onto the Mini from iCloud?


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> On Sep 24, 2016, at 8:25 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I did create a new one John and put it in I cloud but even though my Mac Mini 
> is on the same network it can't find it.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 25 Sep 2016, at 00:21, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>>Does the popup give you the option for the signature. What you might want 
>> to do is create a new signature and just copy and paste the text from the 
>> original to the new one.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
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>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 7:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's set to none.  I want it set to my name.  That is the problem, how can 
>>> I get it set to my Signature in In I Cloud?  I want to drag my signature to 
>>> the pop up box but I don't know how.
 On 24 Sep 2016, at 23:59, John Panarese > wrote:
 
 In Mail preferences, when you are looking at the iCloud signature, 
 there is a popup button all the way to the right. This will set the 
 signature as the default one. Is that set?
 
 
 Take Care
 
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 Director
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 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
 Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
 
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> On Sep 24, 2016, at 6:31 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:
> 
> Hi John.
> 
> What I'd like to do is if I have an I phone, Mac or Mac Mini and because 
> I'm using the same ID for all, because I have composed my signature in my 
> mail I Cloud account, regardless of whether I'm sending from an Alias or 
> my main e-mail, I can select the same signature that I might have written 
> regardless of what device I'm using.  Just like if I had composed an I 
> message on my phone, and then finished the same on my Mac.  Do you 
> understand what I'm saying?  I want a globabl signature that will work 
> any where despite what device you are composing from.  May be the same as 
> the universal copy and paste feature that people have been talking about. 
>  I must find the Apple Viz Podcast which explains it.  If anyone has that 
> link please post it or send me off list please.
> 
> To the left of this message there is a signature pop up button and I 
> can't select my signature that I wrote a few months ago because I have 
> installed Sierra but can see all the text in my I cloud signature 
> settings.  I find this so frustrating.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 24 Sep 2016, at 22:51, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>>I’m not sure what you are trying to do here. Do you mean where the 
>> signature actually show up in a message. Or do you mean you want to use 
>> the signature text in different accounts?
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
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>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> Just have installed Sierra on to two of my computers namely the Mac 
>>> Mini and I Mac after a clean install.
>>> 
>>> Process went well and I'm very happy with it all.
>>> 
>>> Now I'm just setting up my Macs as I like them and have one problem 
>>> though.
>>> 
>>> I have a signature in I Cloud which I can see meaning I can read the 

Re: Signatures again.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I did create a new one John and put it in I cloud but even though my Mac Mini 
is on the same network it can't find it.

Kawal.
> On 25 Sep 2016, at 00:21, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>Does the popup give you the option for the signature. What you might want 
> to do is create a new signature and just copy and paste the text from the 
> original to the new one.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
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> 
>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 7:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>> It's set to none.  I want it set to my name.  That is the problem, how can I 
>> get it set to my Signature in In I Cloud?  I want to drag my signature to 
>> the pop up box but I don't know how.
>>> On 24 Sep 2016, at 23:59, John Panarese >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> In Mail preferences, when you are looking at the iCloud signature, 
>>> there is a popup button all the way to the right. This will set the 
>>> signature as the default one. Is that set?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 24, 2016, at 6:31 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > wrote:
 
 Hi John.
 
 What I'd like to do is if I have an I phone, Mac or Mac Mini and because 
 I'm using the same ID for all, because I have composed my signature in my 
 mail I Cloud account, regardless of whether I'm sending from an Alias or 
 my main e-mail, I can select the same signature that I might have written 
 regardless of what device I'm using.  Just like if I had composed an I 
 message on my phone, and then finished the same on my Mac.  Do you 
 understand what I'm saying?  I want a globabl signature that will work any 
 where despite what device you are composing from.  May be the same as the 
 universal copy and paste feature that people have been talking about.  I 
 must find the Apple Viz Podcast which explains it.  If anyone has that 
 link please post it or send me off list please.
 
 To the left of this message there is a signature pop up button and I can't 
 select my signature that I wrote a few months ago because I have installed 
 Sierra but can see all the text in my I cloud signature settings.  I find 
 this so frustrating.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Kawal.
> On 24 Sep 2016, at 22:51, John Panarese  > wrote:
> 
>I’m not sure what you are trying to do here. Do you mean where the 
> signature actually show up in a message. Or do you mean you want to use 
> the signature text in different accounts?
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
> 
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> 
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> Just have installed Sierra on to two of my computers namely the Mac Mini 
>> and I Mac after a clean install.
>> 
>> Process went well and I'm very happy with it all.
>> 
>> Now I'm just setting up my Macs as I like them and have one problem 
>> though.
>> 
>> I have a signature in I Cloud which I can see meaning I can read the 
>> signature name and all the text I wrote in it but I can't add or drag it 
>> to where I want it to be so that it won't appear at the end of my text.
>> 
>> How does one do that please?
>> 
>> I'd like a step by step guide if possible.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: Have any VMWare fusion users found workarounds for remapping their caps key now that Karabiner and Seal don't work on Sierra?

[Grant]

Hi Traci,

I don’t see why not as this is exactly the kind of use case for Karabiner. But 
I’m going to wait until the Sierra version is a little more mature before 
giving it a go as it’s only in the pre-release stage and everything has to be 
edited manually in configuration files. On their website, there is info that 
you can read through to learn how to build the configuration files.

Grant

> On Saturday September 24, 2016, at 5:13:02 PM, Traci Duncan 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, would this manual remapping work to remap the right command key into 
> right control?
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 24, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Grant  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Megan,
>> 
>> A new version of Karabiner is being developed for Sierra. Currently however, 
>> you have to remap the key by creating a configuration file manually. Here is 
>> the info in case you’d like to give it a shot: 
>> https://github.com/tekezo/Karabiner-Elements 
>> 
>> 
>> Until it’s released, I’ve gone back to using the accent key as my screen 
>> reading key as E.T. has suggested. But I really do miss having the caps lock 
>> key working as the screen reading key.
>> 
>> Grant
>> 
>>> On Saturday September 24, 2016, at 10:34:59 AM, Megan Bening 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all, 
>>> I did a stupid thing and upgraded to Sierra without properly checking to 
>>> see whether *everything* worked. I guess it never occurred to me that 
>>> karabiner and Seil would be the things that would break, but there ya go. 
>>> Ergo, functionally my virtual machines are broken, since now I can't use 
>>> the Mac's keyboard to interact with JAWS or NVDA, since my caps remapping 
>>> is gone. I also used Karabiner to remap my mechanical keyboard at work in 
>>> some very specific ways, since it's a very strange little keyboard and the 
>>> layout was just very fiddly, so that's not much fun either. But the upshot 
>>> is, has anyone found another solution that works for remapping? Ideally, 
>>> something that still allows me to remap caps lock, since I still actually 
>>> use some of the other commonly remapped keys like the tilde key, etc. I 
>>> know I can't be the only person who relies heavily on VMWare and Windows 
>>> along with Sierra, and someone else must be looking for a solution as well. 
>>> thanks for any advice! 
>>> Megan 
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Re: Have any VMWare fusion users found workarounds for remapping their caps key now that Karabiner and Seal don't work on Sierra?

[Traci Duncan]

Hi, would this manual remapping work to remap the right command key into right 
control?

Thanks,
Traci

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Grant  wrote:
> 
> Hi Megan,
> 
> A new version of Karabiner is being developed for Sierra. Currently however, 
> you have to remap the key by creating a configuration file manually. Here is 
> the info in case you’d like to give it a shot: 
> https://github.com/tekezo/Karabiner-Elements
> 
> Until it’s released, I’ve gone back to using the accent key as my screen 
> reading key as E.T. has suggested. But I really do miss having the caps lock 
> key working as the screen reading key.
> 
> Grant
> 
>> On Saturday September 24, 2016, at 10:34:59 AM, Megan Bening 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all, 
>> I did a stupid thing and upgraded to Sierra without properly checking to see 
>> whether *everything* worked. I guess it never occurred to me that karabiner 
>> and Seil would be the things that would break, but there ya go. Ergo, 
>> functionally my virtual machines are broken, since now I can't use the Mac's 
>> keyboard to interact with JAWS or NVDA, since my caps remapping is gone. I 
>> also used Karabiner to remap my mechanical keyboard at work in some very 
>> specific ways, since it's a very strange little keyboard and the layout was 
>> just very fiddly, so that's not much fun either. But the upshot is, has 
>> anyone found another solution that works for remapping? Ideally, something 
>> that still allows me to remap caps lock, since I still actually use some of 
>> the other commonly remapped keys like the tilde key, etc. I know I can't be 
>> the only person who relies heavily on VMWare and Windows along with Sierra, 
>> and someone else must be looking for a solution as well. 
>> thanks for any advice! 
>> Megan 
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Re: Whart will people use Siri for on the Mac?

[Jenine Stanley]

Mine is quite slow on my mid 2012 MBP but I do use it for opening apps. I also 
appreciate quickly getting my system stats with it. Not sure whatelse I’ll use 
it for but possibly opening web pages will be something worthwhile.
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> On Sep 24, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I find it helpful for quickly sending tweets or messages, opening apps, 
> getting the definitions or spellings of words, and looking for 
> files/pictures. For instance, I needed to find a particular picture I'd taken 
> the previous day, so simply told Siri to "show pictures I took yesterday". 
> Yes, it's easier to do things on a Mac than an iPhone with a keyboard, but 
> it's often easier with Siri, even on the Mac. I might not have Messages open, 
> or I might be in the middle of something and want to dash off a reply as soon 
> as I can. Or I might be writing something, and just need to check a 
> definition before typing a word; Siri is far faster than typing the word, 
> looking it up, and finding the web content holding the definitions. The 
> latter is more thorough, but all I need is a quick check. Finally, Siri is 
> great for quickly playing music, especially for Apple Music subscribers. Even 
> if you don't use that service, Siri can play any song, artist, or playlist in 
> your library, just like on iOS. Don't want to deal with iTunes? Just tell 
> Siri to play a song, or that you love or don't like the current song, or any 
> similar commands.
>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 19:09, Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> I don't know why Siri is on the Mac as I find it very weird being able to 
>> tell Siri what to do as I'm use to it on the I phone but not so on the Mac.  
>> You see, I'm use to typing on the Mac and dictating on my I phone.
>> 
>> So out of interest, what will people use Siri for on the Mac?  Apart from 
>> asking Siri daft questions, and asking Siri to send your messages and short 
>> replies to your e-mails, what else can you do as you can't  take your I Mac 
>> or Mac Mini out of the house!
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: Bugs in Apple Mail with MacOS 10.12

[Grant]

Hello Kawal,

The bug is that you cannot locate the mailboxes table while navigating through 
the window with Shift-Tab. If you’re using the Tab key, you’ll be able to see 
it without any problem. Again, this only applies to MacOS Sierra.

Grant

> On Saturday September 24, 2016, at 4:18:36 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
>  wrote:
> 
> I can't find the bvug that people are talking about in Mail as I have no 
> problem locating the Mailboxes table at the left of messages.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 24 Sep 2016, at 22:40, Agent086b > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I use the jump command VO + J. This jumps from either mailboxes to messages 
>> or the other way back.
>> Max.
>>> On 25 Sep. 2016, at 3:07 am, John Panarese >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>Thank you. That’s a great, easy solution.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
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 On Sep 24, 2016, at 1:05 PM, gs > wrote:
 
 Confirmed the can't shift tab to mailboxes but if you shift tab once and 
 then tab, you can get to the mailboxes. This saves having to forward tab 
 so much.
 
 On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:29 AM, Grant > wrote:
 
 Hey guys,
 
 Wondering if you folks can confirm the following:
 
 1. You can't Shift-Tab to the mailboxes table as it will not appear in the 
 tab order. So, for instance, if you are focussed in the messages list you 
 need to tab several times until you wrap back around to the mailboxes 
 table.
 2. If you are in the mailboxes table and press VO-Fn-Right Arrow (that’s 
 VO-End), Mail freezes and needs to be restarted to continue using it.
 3. I’ll admit I haven’t exhausted all possibilities here, but can’t change 
 the contents of the favourites bar via VO’s drag and drop or via the 
 “mouse button locking” method that used to work.
 4. Unless you hide the favourites bar, each folder in the favourites bar 
 now appears in the tab order. I’ll admit this is more of a “change in 
 behaviour” than a bug.
 
 Would love to hear your thoughts.
 
 Thanks!
 
 Grant
 
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Re: Bugs in Apple Mail with MacOS 10.12

[Grant]

Hey guys,

The jump command, VO-J, is useful but only works if you are either in the 
mailboxes table or the messages list. It won’t work if you are in any other 
part of the window. Still, it’s a great suggestion and I’ll work on retraining 
my muscle memory until the tab order bug is addressed. Again, thanks guys!

Has anyone tried doing VO-End, that’s VO-FN-Right arrow, while interacting with 
the mailboxes table? On my machines, this causes the mail app to lock up.

Grant

> On Saturday September 24, 2016, at 2:40:52 PM, Agent086b 
>  wrote:
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> Hi,
> I use the jump command VO + J. This jumps from either mailboxes to messages 
> or the other way back.
> Max.
>> On 25 Sep. 2016, at 3:07 am, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>>Thank you. That’s a great, easy solution.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
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>>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 1:05 PM, gs >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Confirmed the can't shift tab to mailboxes but if you shift tab once and 
>>> then tab, you can get to the mailboxes. This saves having to forward tab so 
>>> much.
>>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:29 AM, Grant >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey guys,
>>> 
>>> Wondering if you folks can confirm the following:
>>> 
>>> 1. You can't Shift-Tab to the mailboxes table as it will not appear in the 
>>> tab order. So, for instance, if you are focussed in the messages list you 
>>> need to tab several times until you wrap back around to the mailboxes table.
>>> 2. If you are in the mailboxes table and press VO-Fn-Right Arrow (that’s 
>>> VO-End), Mail freezes and needs to be restarted to continue using it.
>>> 3. I’ll admit I haven’t exhausted all possibilities here, but can’t change 
>>> the contents of the favourites bar via VO’s drag and drop or via the “mouse 
>>> button locking” method that used to work.
>>> 4. Unless you hide the favourites bar, each folder in the favourites bar 
>>> now appears in the tab order. I’ll admit this is more of a “change in 
>>> behaviour” than a bug.
>>> 
>>> Would love to hear your thoughts.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
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Re: Have any VMWare fusion users found workarounds for remapping their caps key now that Karabiner and Seal don't work on Sierra?

[Grant]

Hi Scott,

Unfortunately not, the caps lock key is not passed directly through to a 
virtual machine unless you use a third-party utility to remap it to something 
else. A few of us were using a couple utilities called Karabiner and Seal to do 
this, but those do not yet function under Sierra.

Grant

> On Saturday September 24, 2016, at 2:34:47 PM, Scott Granados 
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> Why wouldn’t you just use sharp keys?  Is that not effective for the changes 
> you mention?
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 1:34 PM, Megan Bening > > wrote:
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>> Hello all, 
>> I did a stupid thing and upgraded to Sierra without properly checking to see 
>> whether *everything* worked. I guess it never occurred to me that karabiner 
>> and Seil would be the things that would break, but there ya go. Ergo, 
>> functionally my virtual machines are broken, since now I can't use the Mac's 
>> keyboard to interact with JAWS or NVDA, since my caps remapping is gone. I 
>> also used Karabiner to remap my mechanical keyboard at work in some very 
>> specific ways, since it's a very strange little keyboard and the layout was 
>> just very fiddly, so that's not much fun either. But the upshot is, has 
>> anyone found another solution that works for remapping? Ideally, something 
>> that still allows me to remap caps lock, since I still actually use some of 
>> the other commonly remapped keys like the tilde key, etc. I know I can't be 
>> the only person who relies heavily on VMWare and Windows along with Sierra, 
>> and someone else must be looking for a solution as well. 
>> thanks for any advice! 
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Re: Have any VMWare fusion users found workarounds for remapping their caps key now that Karabiner and Seal don't work on Sierra?

[Grant]

Hi Megan,

A new version of Karabiner is being developed for Sierra. Currently however, 
you have to remap the key by creating a configuration file manually. Here is 
the info in case you’d like to give it a shot: 
https://github.com/tekezo/Karabiner-Elements 


Until it’s released, I’ve gone back to using the accent key as my screen 
reading key as E.T. has suggested. But I really do miss having the caps lock 
key working as the screen reading key.

Grant

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> Hello all, 
> I did a stupid thing and upgraded to Sierra without properly checking to see 
> whether *everything* worked. I guess it never occurred to me that karabiner 
> and Seil would be the things that would break, but there ya go. Ergo, 
> functionally my virtual machines are broken, since now I can't use the Mac's 
> keyboard to interact with JAWS or NVDA, since my caps remapping is gone. I 
> also used Karabiner to remap my mechanical keyboard at work in some very 
> specific ways, since it's a very strange little keyboard and the layout was 
> just very fiddly, so that's not much fun either. But the upshot is, has 
> anyone found another solution that works for remapping? Ideally, something 
> that still allows me to remap caps lock, since I still actually use some of 
> the other commonly remapped keys like the tilde key, etc. I know I can't be 
> the only person who relies heavily on VMWare and Windows along with Sierra, 
> and someone else must be looking for a solution as well. 
> thanks for any advice! 
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Re: Whart will people use Siri for on the Mac?

[Alex Hall]

I find it helpful for quickly sending tweets or messages, opening apps, getting 
the definitions or spellings of words, and looking for files/pictures. For 
instance, I needed to find a particular picture I'd taken the previous day, so 
simply told Siri to "show pictures I took yesterday". Yes, it's easier to do 
things on a Mac than an iPhone with a keyboard, but it's often easier with 
Siri, even on the Mac. I might not have Messages open, or I might be in the 
middle of something and want to dash off a reply as soon as I can. Or I might 
be writing something, and just need to check a definition before typing a word; 
Siri is far faster than typing the word, looking it up, and finding the web 
content holding the definitions. The latter is more thorough, but all I need is 
a quick check. Finally, Siri is great for quickly playing music, especially for 
Apple Music subscribers. Even if you don't use that service, Siri can play any 
song, artist, or playlist in your library, just like on iOS. Don't want to deal 
with iTunes? Just tell Siri to play a song, or that you love or don't like the 
current song, or any similar commands.
> On Sep 24, 2016, at 19:09, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Hi.
> 
> I don't know why Siri is on the Mac as I find it very weird being able to 
> tell Siri what to do as I'm use to it on the I phone but not so on the Mac.  
> You see, I'm use to typing on the Mac and dictating on my I phone.
> 
> So out of interest, what will people use Siri for on the Mac?  Apart from 
> asking Siri daft questions, and asking Siri to send your messages and short 
> replies to your e-mails, what else can you do as you can't  take your I Mac 
> or Mac Mini out of the house!
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Re: Signatures again.

[John Panarese]

   Does the popup give you the option for the signature. What you might want to 
do is create a new signature and just copy and paste the text from the original 
to the new one.


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> On Sep 24, 2016, at 7:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> It's set to none.  I want it set to my name.  That is the problem, how can I 
> get it set to my Signature in In I Cloud?  I want to drag my signature to the 
> pop up box but I don't know how.
>> On 24 Sep 2016, at 23:59, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>> In Mail preferences, when you are looking at the iCloud signature, there 
>> is a popup button all the way to the right. This will set the signature as 
>> the default one. Is that set?
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
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>>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 6:31 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi John.
>>> 
>>> What I'd like to do is if I have an I phone, Mac or Mac Mini and because 
>>> I'm using the same ID for all, because I have composed my signature in my 
>>> mail I Cloud account, regardless of whether I'm sending from an Alias or my 
>>> main e-mail, I can select the same signature that I might have written 
>>> regardless of what device I'm using.  Just like if I had composed an I 
>>> message on my phone, and then finished the same on my Mac.  Do you 
>>> understand what I'm saying?  I want a globabl signature that will work any 
>>> where despite what device you are composing from.  May be the same as the 
>>> universal copy and paste feature that people have been talking about.  I 
>>> must find the Apple Viz Podcast which explains it.  If anyone has that link 
>>> please post it or send me off list please.
>>> 
>>> To the left of this message there is a signature pop up button and I can't 
>>> select my signature that I wrote a few months ago because I have installed 
>>> Sierra but can see all the text in my I cloud signature settings.  I find 
>>> this so frustrating.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
 On 24 Sep 2016, at 22:51, John Panarese > wrote:
 
I’m not sure what you are trying to do here. Do you mean where the 
 signature actually show up in a message. Or do you mean you want to use 
 the signature text in different accounts?
 
 
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> On Sep 24, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:
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> Hi.
> 
> Just have installed Sierra on to two of my computers namely the Mac Mini 
> and I Mac after a clean install.
> 
> Process went well and I'm very happy with it all.
> 
> Now I'm just setting up my Macs as I like them and have one problem 
> though.
> 
> I have a signature in I Cloud which I can see meaning I can read the 
> signature name and all the text I wrote in it but I can't add or drag it 
> to where I want it to be so that it won't appear at the end of my text.
> 
> How does one do that please?
> 
> I'd like a step by step guide if possible.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: Bugs in Apple Mail with MacOS 10.12

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I can't find the bvug that people are talking about in Mail as I have no 
problem locating the Mailboxes table at the left of messages.

Kawal.
> On 24 Sep 2016, at 22:40, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I use the jump command VO + J. This jumps from either mailboxes to messages 
> or the other way back.
> Max.
>> On 25 Sep. 2016, at 3:07 am, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>>Thank you. That’s a great, easy solution.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
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>>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 1:05 PM, gs >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Confirmed the can't shift tab to mailboxes but if you shift tab once and 
>>> then tab, you can get to the mailboxes. This saves having to forward tab so 
>>> much.
>>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:29 AM, Grant >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey guys,
>>> 
>>> Wondering if you folks can confirm the following:
>>> 
>>> 1. You can't Shift-Tab to the mailboxes table as it will not appear in the 
>>> tab order. So, for instance, if you are focussed in the messages list you 
>>> need to tab several times until you wrap back around to the mailboxes table.
>>> 2. If you are in the mailboxes table and press VO-Fn-Right Arrow (that’s 
>>> VO-End), Mail freezes and needs to be restarted to continue using it.
>>> 3. I’ll admit I haven’t exhausted all possibilities here, but can’t change 
>>> the contents of the favourites bar via VO’s drag and drop or via the “mouse 
>>> button locking” method that used to work.
>>> 4. Unless you hide the favourites bar, each folder in the favourites bar 
>>> now appears in the tab order. I’ll admit this is more of a “change in 
>>> behaviour” than a bug.
>>> 
>>> Would love to hear your thoughts.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
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Re: scanners and the mac for use with docu scan plus

[Erik Burggraaf]

Docuscan plus should use any Twain compatible scanner on your Mac. my guess 
is that you forgotten to install the can and drivers and utilities that 
came with your scanner for the Mac .if they didn't come on a CD with your 
scanner you'll probably have to download them off the internet. hope this 
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On September 24, 2016 4:30:33 PM "lscrivani"  wrote:


I just installed docu scan plus as a demo.  It is only making use of the on
board camera on the mack book.  Is that the norm for the trial version.
Also I tried my cannon scanner  that, is used on my windows machine and the
mac, does not see it at all.  Is that due to being incompatible?
Louis

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Re: Signatures again.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

It's set to none.  I want it set to my name.  That is the problem, how can I 
get it set to my Signature in In I Cloud?  I want to drag my signature to the 
pop up box but I don't know how.
> On 24 Sep 2016, at 23:59, John Panarese  > wrote:
> 
> In Mail preferences, when you are looking at the iCloud signature, there 
> is a popup button all the way to the right. This will set the signature as 
> the default one. Is that set?
> 
> 
> Take Care
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>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 6:31 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John.
>> 
>> What I'd like to do is if I have an I phone, Mac or Mac Mini and because I'm 
>> using the same ID for all, because I have composed my signature in my mail I 
>> Cloud account, regardless of whether I'm sending from an Alias or my main 
>> e-mail, I can select the same signature that I might have written regardless 
>> of what device I'm using.  Just like if I had composed an I message on my 
>> phone, and then finished the same on my Mac.  Do you understand what I'm 
>> saying?  I want a globabl signature that will work any where despite what 
>> device you are composing from.  May be the same as the universal copy and 
>> paste feature that people have been talking about.  I must find the Apple 
>> Viz Podcast which explains it.  If anyone has that link please post it or 
>> send me off list please.
>> 
>> To the left of this message there is a signature pop up button and I can't 
>> select my signature that I wrote a few months ago because I have installed 
>> Sierra but can see all the text in my I cloud signature settings.  I find 
>> this so frustrating.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 24 Sep 2016, at 22:51, John Panarese >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>I’m not sure what you are trying to do here. Do you mean where the 
>>> signature actually show up in a message. Or do you mean you want to use the 
>>> signature text in different accounts?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
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>>> Director
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>>> 
 On Sep 24, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > wrote:
 
 Hi.
 
 Just have installed Sierra on to two of my computers namely the Mac Mini 
 and I Mac after a clean install.
 
 Process went well and I'm very happy with it all.
 
 Now I'm just setting up my Macs as I like them and have one problem though.
 
 I have a signature in I Cloud which I can see meaning I can read the 
 signature name and all the text I wrote in it but I can't add or drag it 
 to where I want it to be so that it won't appear at the end of my text.
 
 How does one do that please?
 
 I'd like a step by step guide if possible.
 
 Thanks.
 
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Whart will people use Siri for on the Mac?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi.

I don't know why Siri is on the Mac as I find it very weird being able to tell 
Siri what to do as I'm use to it on the I phone but not so on the Mac.  You 
see, I'm use to typing on the Mac and dictating on my I phone.

So out of interest, what will people use Siri for on the Mac?  Apart from 
asking Siri daft questions, and asking Siri to send your messages and short 
replies to your e-mails, what else can you do as you can't  take your I Mac or 
Mac Mini out of the house!

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Re: Signatures again.

[John Panarese]

In Mail preferences, when you are looking at the iCloud signature, there is 
a popup button all the way to the right. This will set the signature as the 
default one. Is that set?


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> On Sep 24, 2016, at 6:31 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi John.
> 
> What I'd like to do is if I have an I phone, Mac or Mac Mini and because I'm 
> using the same ID for all, because I have composed my signature in my mail I 
> Cloud account, regardless of whether I'm sending from an Alias or my main 
> e-mail, I can select the same signature that I might have written regardless 
> of what device I'm using.  Just like if I had composed an I message on my 
> phone, and then finished the same on my Mac.  Do you understand what I'm 
> saying?  I want a globabl signature that will work any where despite what 
> device you are composing from.  May be the same as the universal copy and 
> paste feature that people have been talking about.  I must find the Apple Viz 
> Podcast which explains it.  If anyone has that link please post it or send me 
> off list please.
> 
> To the left of this message there is a signature pop up button and I can't 
> select my signature that I wrote a few months ago because I have installed 
> Sierra but can see all the text in my I cloud signature settings.  I find 
> this so frustrating.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 24 Sep 2016, at 22:51, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>>I’m not sure what you are trying to do here. Do you mean where the 
>> signature actually show up in a message. Or do you mean you want to use the 
>> signature text in different accounts?
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
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>> Director
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>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
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>>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> Just have installed Sierra on to two of my computers namely the Mac Mini 
>>> and I Mac after a clean install.
>>> 
>>> Process went well and I'm very happy with it all.
>>> 
>>> Now I'm just setting up my Macs as I like them and have one problem though.
>>> 
>>> I have a signature in I Cloud which I can see meaning I can read the 
>>> signature name and all the text I wrote in it but I can't add or drag it to 
>>> where I want it to be so that it won't appear at the end of my text.
>>> 
>>> How does one do that please?
>>> 
>>> I'd like a step by step guide if possible.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
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Re: Signatures again.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi John.

What I'd like to do is if I have an I phone, Mac or Mac Mini and because I'm 
using the same ID for all, because I have composed my signature in my mail I 
Cloud account, regardless of whether I'm sending from an Alias or my main 
e-mail, I can select the same signature that I might have written regardless of 
what device I'm using.  Just like if I had composed an I message on my phone, 
and then finished the same on my Mac.  Do you understand what I'm saying?  I 
want a globabl signature that will work any where despite what device you are 
composing from.  May be the same as the universal copy and paste feature that 
people have been talking about.  I must find the Apple Viz Podcast which 
explains it.  If anyone has that link please post it or send me off list please.

To the left of this message there is a signature pop up button and I can't 
select my signature that I wrote a few months ago because I have installed 
Sierra but can see all the text in my I cloud signature settings.  I find this 
so frustrating.

Thanks.

Kawal.
> On 24 Sep 2016, at 22:51, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>I’m not sure what you are trying to do here. Do you mean where the 
> signature actually show up in a message. Or do you mean you want to use the 
> signature text in different accounts?
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
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>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> Just have installed Sierra on to two of my computers namely the Mac Mini and 
>> I Mac after a clean install.
>> 
>> Process went well and I'm very happy with it all.
>> 
>> Now I'm just setting up my Macs as I like them and have one problem though.
>> 
>> I have a signature in I Cloud which I can see meaning I can read the 
>> signature name and all the text I wrote in it but I can't add or drag it to 
>> where I want it to be so that it won't appear at the end of my text.
>> 
>> How does one do that please?
>> 
>> I'd like a step by step guide if possible.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Disregard Re: Unable to capitalize letters

[Traci Duncan]

It turns out somehow my VoiceOver setting was changed.  It just wasn’t reading 
out the cap before letters.

Thanks,
Traci

> On Sep 24, 2016, at 2:57 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> Weird issue here.  I cannot capitalize letters.  It is like my shift keys are 
> not working.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: Difference between smart and ordinary mailboxes

[Alex Hall]

A mailbox is essentially a folder. Some, like inbox or drafts, are pre-built; 
others are created by the user. The best these can do is have messages filtered 
into them by simple rules, usually set up on the server side for IMAP accounts.

Smart mailboxes also hold messages, but they can get their contents by much 
more complex rules. For instance, you might make a smart mailbox that has all 
messages sent in October 2015, with attachments, from Alice or Bob. Think of 
the full power of a mail search, but with the ability to save the results and 
have them update in real time. If your mailbox is for all mail with some 
specific phrase in the subject, that will update itself anytime you get an 
email with that phrase in the subject. If you've ever used smart folders in 
Finder, or smart playlists in iTunes, this is the same thing.
> On Sep 24, 2016, at 17:54, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> after installing Sierra the other day I could not get Mac Mail to work at 
> all,. It kept crashing. After an hour and a half with Apple care we resolved 
> the problem. I now have to rebuild my previous mailbox structure. What is the 
> difference between ordinary mailboxes and smart ones? 
> Sure glad I purchased Extended Apple Care when I got the Mac. It runs out at 
> the end of this month! Got to be lucky sometimes!
> Max. 
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Unable to capitalize letters

[Traci Duncan]

Weird issue here.  I cannot capitalize letters.  It is like my shift keys are 
not working.

Any ideas?

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Difference between smart and ordinary mailboxes

[Agent086b]

Hi all,
after installing Sierra the other day I could not get Mac Mail to work at all,. 
It kept crashing. After an hour and a half with Apple care we resolved the 
problem. I now have to rebuild my previous mailbox structure. What is the 
difference between ordinary mailboxes and smart ones? 
Sure glad I purchased Extended Apple Care when I got the Mac. It runs out at 
the end of this month! Got to be lucky sometimes!
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A Bug in File volt

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi.

Have found a bug in File Volt so if you report to Apple, please report this bug 
for me.

Once you set up File Volt, before you restart the computer to enable the 
process, please do turn off Voice Over to make the Mac restart or the process 
will not complete and you will be going round in circles my friend and I 
figured it out.

Thanks.

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Re: Signatures again.

[John Panarese]

   I’m not sure what you are trying to do here. Do you mean where the signature 
actually show up in a message. Or do you mean you want to use the signature 
text in different accounts?


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> On Sep 24, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> Just have installed Sierra on to two of my computers namely the Mac Mini and 
> I Mac after a clean install.
> 
> Process went well and I'm very happy with it all.
> 
> Now I'm just setting up my Macs as I like them and have one problem though.
> 
> I have a signature in I Cloud which I can see meaning I can read the 
> signature name and all the text I wrote in it but I can't add or drag it to 
> where I want it to be so that it won't appear at the end of my text.
> 
> How does one do that please?
> 
> I'd like a step by step guide if possible.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
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Signatures again.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi.

Just have installed Sierra on to two of my computers namely the Mac Mini and I 
Mac after a clean install.

Process went well and I'm very happy with it all.

Now I'm just setting up my Macs as I like them and have one problem though.

I have a signature in I Cloud which I can see meaning I can read the signature 
name and all the text I wrote in it but I can't add or drag it to where I want 
it to be so that it won't appear at the end of my text.

How does one do that please?

I'd like a step by step guide if possible.

Thanks.

Kawal.

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PayPal digital gift store

[Traci Duncan]

Hello, I usually use the PayPal digital gift store to purchase iTunes gift 
codes, however, I’m having a hard time with the website today.  For some reason 
I cannot get past the shopping cart page.  Actually, even though the webpage 
title says it is the shopping cart, I cannot locate anything inside the page to 
tell me so, nor can I find a log in or sign in link/button.  This isn’t typical 
behavior.  I’ve tried on both Safari and Chrome.  Any suggestions?

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Re: Bugs in Apple Mail with MacOS 10.12

[Agent086b]

Hi,
I use the jump command VO + J. This jumps from either mailboxes to messages or 
the other way back.
Max.
> On 25 Sep. 2016, at 3:07 am, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>Thank you. That’s a great, easy solution.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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> Director
> Mac for the Blind
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> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 1:05 PM, gs > > wrote:
>> 
>> Confirmed the can't shift tab to mailboxes but if you shift tab once and 
>> then tab, you can get to the mailboxes. This saves having to forward tab so 
>> much.
>> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:29 AM, Grant > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> Wondering if you folks can confirm the following:
>> 
>> 1. You can't Shift-Tab to the mailboxes table as it will not appear in the 
>> tab order. So, for instance, if you are focussed in the messages list you 
>> need to tab several times until you wrap back around to the mailboxes table.
>> 2. If you are in the mailboxes table and press VO-Fn-Right Arrow (that’s 
>> VO-End), Mail freezes and needs to be restarted to continue using it.
>> 3. I’ll admit I haven’t exhausted all possibilities here, but can’t change 
>> the contents of the favourites bar via VO’s drag and drop or via the “mouse 
>> button locking” method that used to work.
>> 4. Unless you hide the favourites bar, each folder in the favourites bar now 
>> appears in the tab order. I’ll admit this is more of a “change in behaviour” 
>> than a bug.
>> 
>> Would love to hear your thoughts.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Grant
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Please Join Me in Requesting That The New Night Mode Feature, introduced in the Latest Version of the iOS Twitter App, Be Made VoiceOver Accessible

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

Recently, Twitter introduced a new accessibility feature called Night Mode.

As posted by I-Accessibility, Quote, Twitter for iOS has updated their app
with a feature called Night Mode that changes the app's color scheme to
allow for higher contrast text. This feature allows for users to read tweets
easier by showing text on a dark background with light colored text. ...
Turning on this feature will instantly switch your device to Night mode, End
Quote.
http://iaccessibility.net/index.php/2016/09/24/quick-tip-enable-night-mode-i
os-twitter-app/

Unfortunately, as was the case when Moments was introduced, the Night Mode
feature cannot be accessed when VoiceOver is enabled.

Please join me in requesting that Night Mode be made available even when
VoiceOver is enabled.

Post your request in the App Store as a review, send a tweet to both
@support and @Twitter, and send your request to Twitter via email at
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Re: A strange observation about the speed of system on both Mac mini and macbook pro

[Scott Granados]

Also, you probably have local shops that can do this less expensively.

It’s worth shopping the business around a little to get the best deal.

> On Sep 24, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
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> Hi. Can Apple replace the hard drive with the SSD Storrage drive? 
>> On 23 Sep 2016, at 17:50, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Putting an SSD into your Mini would realize huge improvements in access 
>> speed for you.  An SSD itself is often 60 to 80 times faster than a spinning 
>> HD, so you will see big improvements to app loading times and some 
>> processing times.  For example, when I changed my MacBook Pro from a 
>> spinning HD to an SSD, the Login screen appeared in less than 10 seconds as 
>> opposed to the 40 seconds or so that it took prior to the SSD installation.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 09:21, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all:
>> 
>> I have my mac mini late 2012 running mountain lion til now.
>> and I have my MacBook pro 2015, but what I observed, that my mac book
>> pro is a little faster, it has the SSD Hard disk, but my mac mini has
>> the original Sata Hd.
>> I have another extra SSD Hard disk from another laptop, your advice
>> for me is to go to a shop and ask them to change the Mac mini Hd to
>> the new SSd? or stay wth the original Hd that was shipped with  my mac
>> mini?
>> Thanks
>> 
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Re: Have any VMWare fusion users found workarounds for remapping their caps key now that Karabiner and Seal don't work on Sierra?

[Scott Granados]

Why wouldn’t you just use sharp keys?  Is that not effective for the changes 
you mention?

> On Sep 24, 2016, at 1:34 PM, Megan Bening  wrote:
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> Hello all, 
> I did a stupid thing and upgraded to Sierra without properly checking to see 
> whether *everything* worked. I guess it never occurred to me that karabiner 
> and Seil would be the things that would break, but there ya go. Ergo, 
> functionally my virtual machines are broken, since now I can't use the Mac's 
> keyboard to interact with JAWS or NVDA, since my caps remapping is gone. I 
> also used Karabiner to remap my mechanical keyboard at work in some very 
> specific ways, since it's a very strange little keyboard and the layout was 
> just very fiddly, so that's not much fun either. But the upshot is, has 
> anyone found another solution that works for remapping? Ideally, something 
> that still allows me to remap caps lock, since I still actually use some of 
> the other commonly remapped keys like the tilde key, etc. I know I can't be 
> the only person who relies heavily on VMWare and Windows along with Sierra, 
> and someone else must be looking for a solution as well. 
> thanks for any advice! 
> Megan 
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Re: found IOS 10 bugs

[Scott Granados]

I have noticed the second not the first and the return to call has worked for 
me as well.

Could I add a third?

In the public release / 10.0.1 production release the phone app freezes and 
either needs to be killed or will crash and you need to press again from the 
doc.

Happens once in a while, not sure what sets up this condition but I notice 
especially while in the recents tab.


> On Sep 24, 2016, at 12:51 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> So with the second one, the return to call button,
>  
> You mean tap it even though I’m still in the call  and it will give me back 
> the key pad functionality?
>  
> Might give that a try now with the thing I was doing earlier.
>  
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>  ] On Behalf Of Michael Babcock
> Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2016 4:38 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: found IOS 10 bugs
>  
> I seen the second one; don’t have phone with me so can’t check the first one.
> When the second one happens, double tap “return to call” on the status bar 
> and then use that keypad.
>  
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 9:22 PM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
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> Hi list,
>  
> Not sure if this is just me on my iPhone 6s+ but I’ve just found a couple of 
> oddities.
>  
> Firstly the delete button on the phone keypad says button not delete like it 
> used to,
>  
> I’m sure in the public beta it said delete but can’t be sure of that one.
>  
> It is still there just not labelled and it works fine.
>  
> Is anyone else seeing the same thing?
>  
> The second thing I’ve noticed is that during a phone call where I had to 
> setup a pin number for something  during the call I hadn’t noticed my phone 
> had locked the screan while I was talking
>  
> When I had to insert my pin code details I unlocked the phone and the keypad 
> was no longer being picked up as as having the keys pressed  yet the pad was 
> giving the tones each time the keys were touched.
> Another oddity,
> Just wondering if this is happening with anyone else on other devices
>  
> Cheers,
>  
>  
> Simon F
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Re: found IOS 10 bugs

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
THe second bug is replicable here.
I have to unlock my phone to enter digits when on a call.
/A
> 24 sep. 2016 kl. 06:22 skrev Simon Fogarty :
> 
> Hi list,
>  
> Not sure if this is just me on my iPhone 6s+ but I’ve just found a couple of 
> oddities.
>  
> Firstly the delete button on the phone keypad says button not delete like it 
> used to,
>  
> I’m sure in the public beta it said delete but can’t be sure of that one.
>  
> It is still there just not labelled and it works fine.
>  
> Is anyone else seeing the same thing?
>  
> The second thing I’ve noticed is that during a phone call where I had to 
> setup a pin number for something  during the call I hadn’t noticed my phone 
> had locked the screan while I was talking
>  
> When I had to insert my pin code details I unlocked the phone and the keypad 
> was no longer being picked up as as having the keys pressed  yet the pad was 
> giving the tones each time the keys were touched.
> Another oddity,
> Just wondering if this is happening with anyone else on other devices
>  
> Cheers,
>  
>  
> Simon F
>  
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Re: Sierra beta 10.12.1 and IOS 10.1 public beta 1 released

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Well, i did the same  last time i was on an update.
But i had to remove the profile because the watch didn’t want to update to the 
latest stable release.
/A
> 24 sep. 2016 kl. 01:14 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> Interesting, when I logged in to the public beta site with the iPhone it gave 
> me the option to update both the phone profile and the watch.  I did not 
> touch the watch update.
> 
> I am not a developer to be clear I participate in the public only.  Redmond 
> pie also included the watch update in their press release.  I can provide the 
> link if requested.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> I wanted to correct you on something, the watchOS 3.1 beta is for developers 
>> only.
>>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> IOS, Sierra and Watch public betas have been released.  Being a .1 release 
>>> a lot of these are bug fixes.
>>> 
>>> Note for voice over users on installation, when you reboot / restart to 
>>> install there’s a window that appears, OSX setup with no windows, just wait 
>>> here about 10 to 20 minutes.  Install is taking place but no Voice over 
>>> status update.  Once you hear the startup chime the voice over starts, sees 
>>> the apple and a percentage reading.  It sticks on 0% but it’s working, wait 
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[lscrivani]

I just installed docu scan plus as a demo.  It is only making use of the on 
board camera on the mack book.  Is that the norm for the trial version. 
Also I tried my cannon scanner  that, is used on my windows machine and the 
mac, does not see it at all.  Is that due to being incompatible?
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Re: Selecting photos from albums in iMovie?

[Alex Hall]

I eventually got this to work. Don't ask me why, but it looks like some file or 
database got only partly upgraded, or deleted and not re-created, during the 
update to Sierra. After following some leads online, I opened iTunes, iMovie, 
and Photos all at once, and there were the albums, right in iMovie like I 
expected. I also checked that the Mac was set to download all files from 
iCloud, which it already was, but had it not been that would have caused 
problems too. In any case, it seems to work for the moment.
> On Sep 24, 2016, at 14:12, Larry Thacker Jr.  
> wrote:
> 
> You may have better luck using the photos app itself to create the slideshow 
> and then you can export that to a video.  Now if you want something you can 
> stick into a DVD player and have it run, that’s where I also got stuck and 
> eventually gave up.
>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 12:10 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I'm trying to help my (sighted) mother use iMovie under Sierra on a 2012 
>> Macbook Pro. We're trying to import photos from an album in Photos, but not 
>> having luck. I go to the sidebar and choose the photos library option, and 
>> that's where things go wrong.
>> 
>> At first, it seems fine. I find the popup menu, choose "my albums", and get 
>> some filters and a search box. However, the group of albums after that has 
>> no meaningful labels for VO, and my mother says it shows only a single album 
>> which is not the one she wants. Then, stranger still, the whole thing 
>> vanishes if either of us try to do anything with it, and both "my albums" 
>> and "albums" disappear from the popup menu. I have to select "years" before 
>> they come back, which makes no sense at all.
>> 
>> We're both new to iMovie, and are both very confused. Why does "my albums" 
>> only show up sometimes? Why does the list of albums, when it does consent to 
>> appear, show only a few albums and then vanish when you try to show more? I 
>> hope this made some sense. Thanks in advance. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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A Happy Follow-up to an Audio Described Movie Question Originally Posted back in February, 2016

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries mailing lists.

Back in February of 2016, I posted a question with the subject line of "A
Question About Audio Descriptive Movies in iTunes".  I will paste in the
original message, below my signature.

In that message, I wanted to know if movie rentals contain the audio
description track just as the purchased movies do.

More specifically, however, I was commenting on the fact that one of my
favorite movies, "Edge of Tomorrow", starring Tom Cruz, did not appear to
have the audio description track, available in theaters, included in its
iTunes rental download package.  A short time later, a friend of mine
actually purchased the movie and confirmed that it, also, did not contain
the audio description track.  In all fairness, however, nowhere in the movie
description did iTunes claim that the movie had an audio description track.


Okay, a short time after confirming that "Edge of Tomorrow" did not include
audio description, I sent an email via the iTunes movie portal, requesting
that the track be added to this particular title.  I made it very clear that
such a track existed as I personally enjoyed it in the theater.  If memory
serves, I received some kind of reply from Apple, back in February stating
that they had received my request and would look into it.  To be honest, I
did not take them very seriously as their reply felt very much like a boiler
plate, (smile).

Well, last night, as I was cleaning up my Wish List, on my 4th generation
Apple TV, I decided to take one more look at the information for "Edge of
Tomorrow", before removing it from my list, permanently. 

I was stunned and delighted to see that, as part of the description, the
letters A D had been added.  I was not certain that A D meant audio
description available, as many newer films are more explicit in this area
but, taking a chance, I decided to rent the movie.  

You guessed it, the audio description track was included in the download.
What a wonderful thing.

>From now on, if I discover that a movie, for which I am certain contains an
audio described track, as published in a commercial theater, is not included
in an iTunes movie offering, I will request that the track be added to the
download.  You may want to do the same.

By the way, I enjoyed watching the movie, with the audio description track,
even more at home than I did in the theater as I (1) could see the video
much more clearly and (2) could control the playback.  Be that as it may,
the social aspect of enjoying a movie with friends, in a theater, does add
enormous value to the movie-watching experience that cannot be dismissed.  

Mark

Original Post, Dated February 24, 2016:

Subject:  A Question About Audio Descriptive Movies in iTunes

Hello All,

I am posting this question to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries mailing
list.

My primary question:
Is the audio description track included when renting a movie from iTunes? or
must one purchase the movie in order to receive the audio description track.

My secondary question:
If a movie debuted with an audio description track in the theater, does it
follow that the movie will include that track in the iTunes store version of
the movie?

Here's my situation:
Last summer I saw the movie entitled "Edge of Tomorrow", in the theater,
complete with audio description.  To me, it was a fabulous movie.  Just so
you know, the film is now marketed and sold under the title, "Live die
Repeat".

A couple of days ago, a sighted friend of mine rented Live die Repeat, from
the iTunes Store.  She watched it on her iPad.  Even though many titles, in
the iTunes Store, are not listed as having audio description, I was hoping
that, like so many others, given that the film was released with audio
description in the theater, the track would be included on the download.  

According to her, she could not hear any audio description despite having
the settings on her iPad configured correctly.

I should probably add that, to my dismay, I discovered that the DVD copy of
this title, I purchased when it was first made available, did not include
the audio description track, either.

I would so much like to enjoy this movie again but I fear, that, unless I
can locate a version that includes the audio description track, I will not
be able to relive the experience of "Edge of Tomorrow".

All replies most welcomed.

Mark

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Re: Have any VMWare fusion users found workarounds for remapping their caps key now that Karabiner and Seal don't work on Sierra?

[E.T.]

Megan,
   I am not yet running Sierra. Unless the scheme changed in the latest 
Fusion, you can remap the NVDA key in VMware Fusion settings. I remapped 
to the accent key which is above the capslock key.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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On 9/24/2016 10:34 AM, Megan Bening wrote:

Hello all,
I did a stupid thing and upgraded to Sierra without properly checking to
see whether *everything* worked. I guess it never occurred to me that
karabiner and Seil would be the things that would break, but there ya
go. Ergo, functionally my virtual machines are broken, since now I can't
use the Mac's keyboard to interact with JAWS or NVDA, since my caps
remapping is gone. I also used Karabiner to remap my mechanical keyboard
at work in some very specific ways, since it's a very strange little
keyboard and the layout was just very fiddly, so that's not much fun
either. But the upshot is, has anyone found another solution that works
for remapping? Ideally, something that still allows me to remap caps
lock, since I still actually use some of the other commonly remapped
keys like the tilde key, etc. I know I can't be the only person who
relies heavily on VMWare and Windows along with Sierra, and someone else
must be looking for a solution as well.
thanks for any advice!
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Re: Selecting photos from albums in iMovie?

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

You may have better luck using the photos app itself to create the slideshow 
and then you can export that to a video.  Now if you want something you can 
stick into a DVD player and have it run, that’s where I also got stuck and 
eventually gave up.
> On Sep 24, 2016, at 12:10 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I'm trying to help my (sighted) mother use iMovie under Sierra on a 2012 
> Macbook Pro. We're trying to import photos from an album in Photos, but not 
> having luck. I go to the sidebar and choose the photos library option, and 
> that's where things go wrong.
> 
> At first, it seems fine. I find the popup menu, choose "my albums", and get 
> some filters and a search box. However, the group of albums after that has no 
> meaningful labels for VO, and my mother says it shows only a single album 
> which is not the one she wants. Then, stranger still, the whole thing 
> vanishes if either of us try to do anything with it, and both "my albums" and 
> "albums" disappear from the popup menu. I have to select "years" before they 
> come back, which makes no sense at all.
> 
> We're both new to iMovie, and are both very confused. Why does "my albums" 
> only show up sometimes? Why does the list of albums, when it does consent to 
> appear, show only a few albums and then vanish when you try to show more? I 
> hope this made some sense. Thanks in advance. 
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Re: universal copy/paste not working

[Daniel Miller]

Make sure you have iCloud keychain enabled on both devices as well.

> On Sep 24, 2016, at 1:27 PM, Anouk Radix  wrote:
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> Hi Everyone,
> I just installed os x sierra and i have ios 10 on my idevice. Bluetooth is 
> turned on on both devices as is handoff. Both devices are loged into icloud. 
> Still: universal copy/paste does not seem to be working. I enter text in 
> textedit on the mac, hit select all and copy when i try to pase it on ios 
> using the vo rotor the text does not get pasted. I already tried restarting 
> both devices to no avail.
> Anyone knows whats going on? Icloud seems to be working well otherwise 
> emailadresses and remidners get synced correctly from one device to the 
> other. The mac is from 2013 so 3 years old. The iphone is 2 years old, an 
> iphone 6.
> Thanks in advance for any info,
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Re: universal copy/paste not working

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hallo Anouk,
I experienced both: sometimes universal clipboard works and sometimes not. I 
additional experience sluggishness related to iCloud. Ones I deleted a pdf file 
in iCloud Drive and it took several hours until it was gonne on all my other 
devices, even though all devices were connected to the internet. That’s one 
reason why I personally haven’t left Dropbox yet. It’s much more reliable and 
faster then iCloud, unfortunately. I’d love to shift completely to iCloud 
Drive. And so my guess is universal clipboard sometimes needs more time as well 
to sync.
All the best
Jürgen

> Am 24.09.2016 um 19:27 schrieb Anouk Radix :
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> I just installed os x sierra and i have ios 10 on my idevice. Bluetooth is 
> turned on on both devices as is handoff. Both devices are loged into icloud. 
> Still: universal copy/paste does not seem to be working. I enter text in 
> textedit on the mac, hit select all and copy when i try to pase it on ios 
> using the vo rotor the text does not get pasted. I already tried restarting 
> both devices to no avail.
> Anyone knows whats going on? Icloud seems to be working well otherwise 
> emailadresses and remidners get synced correctly from one device to the 
> other. The mac is from 2013 so 3 years old. The iphone is 2 years old, an 
> iphone 6.
> Thanks in advance for any info,
> Greetings, Anouk,
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Have any VMWare fusion users found workarounds for remapping their caps key now that Karabiner and Seal don't work on Sierra?

[Megan Bening]

Hello all, 
I did a stupid thing and upgraded to Sierra without properly checking to 
see whether *everything* worked. I guess it never occurred to me that 
karabiner and Seil would be the things that would break, but there ya go. 
Ergo, functionally my virtual machines are broken, since now I can't use 
the Mac's keyboard to interact with JAWS or NVDA, since my caps remapping 
is gone. I also used Karabiner to remap my mechanical keyboard at work in 
some very specific ways, since it's a very strange little keyboard and the 
layout was just very fiddly, so that's not much fun either. But the upshot 
is, has anyone found another solution that works for remapping? Ideally, 
something that still allows me to remap caps lock, since I still actually 
use some of the other commonly remapped keys like the tilde key, etc. I 
know I can't be the only person who relies heavily on VMWare and Windows 
along with Sierra, and someone else must be looking for a solution as well. 
thanks for any advice! 
Megan 

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universal copy/paste not working

[Anouk Radix]

Hi Everyone,
I just installed os x sierra and i have ios 10 on my idevice. Bluetooth is 
turned on on both devices as is handoff. Both devices are loged into icloud. 
Still: universal copy/paste does not seem to be working. I enter text in 
textedit on the mac, hit select all and copy when i try to pase it on ios using 
the vo rotor the text does not get pasted. I already tried restarting both 
devices to no avail.
Anyone knows whats going on? Icloud seems to be working well otherwise 
emailadresses and remidners get synced correctly from one device to the other. 
The mac is from 2013 so 3 years old. The iphone is 2 years old, an iphone 6.
Thanks in advance for any info,
Greetings, Anouk,

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Re: found IOS 10 bugs

[Mary Otten]

Hi Simon. I have an iPhone 6s. Waiting for my 7+.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 23, 2016, at 10:30 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
>  
> Which phone do you have?
> Interesting that It’s coming up as button to me but no delete with it,
> Yet your finding it with the delete
> The location is as it’s been for some time and that is as you say to the 
> right of the edit field for the phone number.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
>  
> Simon
>  
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2016 4:54 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: found IOS 10 bugs
>  
> Hi Simon,
> Regarding your first bug with the delete button, I am finding something that 
> says delete  that was not identified as a button, to the right of the area 
> where the number is being entered as you enter a phone number. Double tapping 
> on this  deletes the last number you entered. I'm not finding any unlabeled 
> buttons, just the keypad with the call button below zero and save his contact 
> and the phone number being entered and this delete thing at the top
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 9:22 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi list,
>  
> Not sure if this is just me on my iPhone 6s+ but I’ve just found a couple of 
> oddities.
>  
> Firstly the delete button on the phone keypad says button not delete like it 
> used to,
>  
> I’m sure in the public beta it said delete but can’t be sure of that one.
>  
> It is still there just not labelled and it works fine.
>  
> Is anyone else seeing the same thing?
>  
> The second thing I’ve noticed is that during a phone call where I had to 
> setup a pin number for something  during the call I hadn’t noticed my phone 
> had locked the screan while I was talking
>  
> When I had to insert my pin code details I unlocked the phone and the keypad 
> was no longer being picked up as as having the keys pressed  yet the pad was 
> giving the tones each time the keys were touched.
> Another oddity,
> Just wondering if this is happening with anyone else on other devices
>  
> Cheers,
>  
>  
> Simon F
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Selecting photos from albums in iMovie?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
I'm trying to help my (sighted) mother use iMovie under Sierra on a 2012 
Macbook Pro. We're trying to import photos from an album in Photos, but not 
having luck. I go to the sidebar and choose the photos library option, and 
that's where things go wrong.

At first, it seems fine. I find the popup menu, choose "my albums", and get 
some filters and a search box. However, the group of albums after that has no 
meaningful labels for VO, and my mother says it shows only a single album which 
is not the one she wants. Then, stranger still, the whole thing vanishes if 
either of us try to do anything with it, and both "my albums" and "albums" 
disappear from the popup menu. I have to select "years" before they come back, 
which makes no sense at all.

We're both new to iMovie, and are both very confused. Why does "my albums" only 
show up sometimes? Why does the list of albums, when it does consent to appear, 
show only a few albums and then vanish when you try to show more? I hope this 
made some sense. Thanks in advance. 

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Re: Bugs in Apple Mail with MacOS 10.12

[John Panarese]

   Thank you. That’s a great, easy solution.


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> On Sep 24, 2016, at 1:05 PM, gs  wrote:
> 
> Confirmed the can't shift tab to mailboxes but if you shift tab once and then 
> tab, you can get to the mailboxes. This saves having to forward tab so much.
> 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:29 AM, Grant  wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> Wondering if you folks can confirm the following:
> 
> 1. You can't Shift-Tab to the mailboxes table as it will not appear in the 
> tab order. So, for instance, if you are focussed in the messages list you 
> need to tab several times until you wrap back around to the mailboxes table.
> 2. If you are in the mailboxes table and press VO-Fn-Right Arrow (that’s 
> VO-End), Mail freezes and needs to be restarted to continue using it.
> 3. I’ll admit I haven’t exhausted all possibilities here, but can’t change 
> the contents of the favourites bar via VO’s drag and drop or via the “mouse 
> button locking” method that used to work.
> 4. Unless you hide the favourites bar, each folder in the favourites bar now 
> appears in the tab order. I’ll admit this is more of a “change in behaviour” 
> than a bug.
> 
> Would love to hear your thoughts.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Grant
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Re: Bugs in Apple Mail with MacOS 10.12

[gs]

Confirmed the can't shift tab to mailboxes but if you shift tab once and then 
tab, you can get to the mailboxes. This saves having to forward tab so much.

On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:29 AM, Grant  wrote:

Hey guys,

Wondering if you folks can confirm the following:

1. You can't Shift-Tab to the mailboxes table as it will not appear in the tab 
order. So, for instance, if you are focussed in the messages list you need to 
tab several times until you wrap back around to the mailboxes table.
2. If you are in the mailboxes table and press VO-Fn-Right Arrow (that’s 
VO-End), Mail freezes and needs to be restarted to continue using it.
3. I’ll admit I haven’t exhausted all possibilities here, but can’t change the 
contents of the favourites bar via VO’s drag and drop or via the “mouse button 
locking” method that used to work.
4. Unless you hide the favourites bar, each folder in the favourites bar now 
appears in the tab order. I’ll admit this is more of a “change in behaviour” 
than a bug.

Would love to hear your thoughts.

Thanks!

Grant

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Re: Sierra beta 10.12.1 and IOS 10.1 public beta 1 released

[Blee Blat]

I'm seeing this as well sometimes. It seems to be random, would also like to 
retract some stuff I said earlier about Mac OS updates. The kernel fixes are 
more obvious if you play with it a bit. I have had a bit of time to heavily 
load the system and run regular workload through it. Seems to be a large 
improvement even though I don't use a lot of the new   features. The universal 
clipboard thing is really neat though and the music fixes. And it takes more 
tabs to be open before Safari becomes unusable.
 Will report this bug if I can produce it consistently as well as one other 
bug. It seems if you have muted voiceover sounds, then you mute speech, when 
you unmute the speech it also unmutes the voiceover sound effects. This doesn't 
happen on iOS, only Mac OS.

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Re: Sierra beta 10.12.1 and IOS 10.1 public beta 1 released

[matthew dyer]

Just installed the iOS 10.1 beta and works fine here.  Have not decided if I 
will rejoin the beta program for Mac OS as I just did a clean upgrade from gold 
master of searria to the final build and things are fine so far except, mail 
keeps putting vo at the bottom of a conversation every time I delete a message 
in a conversation.  Anyone else seeing this.  I reported this to apple 
accessibility already.  Thanks.

Matthew


> On Sep 24, 2016, at 12:25 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yeah ios 10.2 is out and installed but nothing for watch OS,
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
> Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2016 11:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Sierra beta 10.12.1 and IOS 10.1 public beta 1 released
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> I wanted to correct you on something, the watchOS 3.1 beta is for developers 
> only.
>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> IOS, Sierra and Watch public betas have been released.  Being a .1 release a 
>> lot of these are bug fixes.
>> 
>> Note for voice over users on installation, when you reboot / restart to 
>> install there’s a window that appears, OSX setup with no windows, just wait 
>> here about 10 to 20 minutes.  Install is taking place but no Voice over 
>> status update.  Once you hear the startup chime the voice over starts, sees 
>> the apple and a percentage reading.  It sticks on 0% but it’s working, wait 
>> another 10 to 20 minutes and your normal password prompt appears or you’ll 
>> authenticate automatically if you’re using the watch.
>> 
>> Install em and enjoy.  Join using the normal method of downloading the .dmg 
>> file and running the installation pkg, the app store will update you via the 
>> normal update mechanism.
>> 
>> Good luck.
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Re: A strange observation about the speed of system on both Mac mini and macbook pro

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Yes they can.  It can be done when you order your Mac, or after the fact.  Some 
of the newer Macs must be ordered with your desired specs as they are extremely 
difficult, or almost even impossible to change/upgrade.  Those with the 
spinning drive though are often more easily upgraded to the SSD.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 24, 2016, at 06:12, Saqib Hussain  wrote:

Hi. Can Apple replace the hard drive with the SSD Storrage drive? 
> On 23 Sep 2016, at 17:50, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Putting an SSD into your Mini would realize huge improvements in access speed 
> for you.  An SSD itself is often 60 to 80 times faster than a spinning HD, so 
> you will see big improvements to app loading times and some processing times. 
>  For example, when I changed my MacBook Pro from a spinning HD to an SSD, the 
> Login screen appeared in less than 10 seconds as opposed to the 40 seconds or 
> so that it took prior to the SSD installation.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 09:21, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello all:
> 
> I have my mac mini late 2012 running mountain lion til now.
> and I have my MacBook pro 2015, but what I observed, that my mac book
> pro is a little faster, it has the SSD Hard disk, but my mac mini has
> the original Sata Hd.
> I have another extra SSD Hard disk from another laptop, your advice
> for me is to go to a shop and ask them to change the Mac mini Hd to
> the new SSd? or stay wth the original Hd that was shipped with  my mac
> mini?
> Thanks
> 
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Re: found IOS 10 bugs

[Kliphton Miller]

The return to call option will be all the way to the left in the status bar.
> On Sep 24, 2016, at 1:31 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I couldn’t find the return to call button when I went through this process
> Could only find the number pad and the associated call keypad etc buttons at 
> the bottom.
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Michael Babcock
> Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2016 4:59 PM
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> Subject: Re: found IOS 10 bugs
>  
> I’ve had to do this when joining conference calls before.
> hope it helps.
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 9:51 PM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> So with the second one, the return to call button,
>  
> You mean tap it even though I’m still in the call  and it will give me back 
> the key pad functionality?
>  
> Might give that a try now with the thing I was doing earlier.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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>  ] On Behalf Of Michael Babcock
> Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2016 4:38 PM
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> Subject: Re: found IOS 10 bugs
>  
> I seen the second one; don’t have phone with me so can’t check the first one.
> When the second one happens, double tap “return to call” on the status bar 
> and then use that keypad.
>  
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 9:22 PM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> Hi list,
>  
> Not sure if this is just me on my iPhone 6s+ but I’ve just found a couple of 
> oddities.
>  
> Firstly the delete button on the phone keypad says button not delete like it 
> used to,
>  
> I’m sure in the public beta it said delete but can’t be sure of that one.
>  
> It is still there just not labelled and it works fine.
>  
> Is anyone else seeing the same thing?
>  
> The second thing I’ve noticed is that during a phone call where I had to 
> setup a pin number for something  during the call I hadn’t noticed my phone 
> had locked the screan while I was talking
>  
> When I had to insert my pin code details I unlocked the phone and the keypad 
> was no longer being picked up as as having the keys pressed  yet the pad was 
> giving the tones each time the keys were touched.
> Another oddity,
> Just wondering if this is happening with anyone else on other devices
>  
> Cheers,
>  
>  
> Simon F
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Word to pages batch converter?

[Kliphton Miller]

So, I have searched the App Store, googled, and came up with nothing.  All the 
apps that come up want to do pages to word, and pdf to word.  So is there an 
app that does word to pages, or am I reaching here?  Thanks.

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Re: A strange observation about the speed of system on both Mac mini and macbook pro

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Can Apple replace the hard drive with the SSD Storrage drive? 
> On 23 Sep 2016, at 17:50, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Putting an SSD into your Mini would realize huge improvements in access speed 
> for you.  An SSD itself is often 60 to 80 times faster than a spinning HD, so 
> you will see big improvements to app loading times and some processing times. 
>  For example, when I changed my MacBook Pro from a spinning HD to an SSD, the 
> Login screen appeared in less than 10 seconds as opposed to the 40 seconds or 
> so that it took prior to the SSD installation.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 09:21, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello all:
> 
> I have my mac mini late 2012 running mountain lion til now.
> and I have my MacBook pro 2015, but what I observed, that my mac book
> pro is a little faster, it has the SSD Hard disk, but my mac mini has
> the original Sata Hd.
> I have another extra SSD Hard disk from another laptop, your advice
> for me is to go to a shop and ask them to change the Mac mini Hd to
> the new SSd? or stay wth the original Hd that was shipped with  my mac
> mini?
> Thanks
> 
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possible resolve of adding Audio Facetime to your favourites in the phone App.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello Everyone.

As an experiment, I added a contact to my favourites in my phone app, as like a 
few people on this list, I could not add Audio Facetime.

Well, I did this again a few minutes, ago, by deleting a contact from my 
favourite.  However, I added the same contact and rather than double tapping 
the person’s name, I flicked up as voiceover said more info.  So I doubled tap 
and in there, I found Audio Facetime.  So those of you who do Audio Face Time a 
lot, can now do Audio Face Time calls from the phone app rather than opening 
the Face Time app on your phone.

Kind regards.

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RE: capitalone app

[M. Taylor]

Hello Sarai,

I am not a CapitalOne 360 bank customer.  However, I can tell you that, 
recently, they have made some major changes to their mobile online interface 
that is affecting all of their iOS mobile apps.  

Based on my experience, I am confident that they are dedicated to making all of 
their products accessible to those of us who are sight challenged.  

Having said this, I strongly recommend that you add your voice to the 
proverbial accessibility chorus by:

1.
Informing them of your recent experience via the mobile app's feedback tool.

2.
Posting a review in the App Store, explaining your issue.

3.
Email your comments to soc...@capitalone.com.

4.
Contact them via social media.  I think the best Twitter account to use is 
@AskCapitalOne.

Generally speaking, when I discover a VoiceOver bug/problem, I send feedback 
via as many channels as possible.

Mark

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On Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 2:49 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: capitalone app

The 360 bank is what I use. It has always worked before.
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 4:28 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> I know Mark has mentioned he’s a capital one bank user and may be able to 
> provide some info here.  I’ve only used the credit card app which has had 
> it’s accessibility issues addressed again thanks to mark and others writing 
> in to raise the concern.
> 
> Maybe if he catches this thread he can offer some wisdom here.
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
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>> Hi:
>> Has anyone figured out how to transfer money between accounts? As soon as I 
>> double tap done, the app is completely unaccessible!
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Re: Apple TV 3rd Gen.

[christopher hallsworth]

If you miss the intro, no worries. Just press the play/pause button, bottom 
right hand side of the remote, three times.
> On 23 Sep 2016, at 20:10, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Everyone. I am assuming that once the HDMI port is selected
> does Voiceover turn on on its own? You said it will be speaking. If
> not, is there a shortcut to turn it on, like the triple click on the
> iPhone after taking it out of the box?
> Thanks,
> Vaughn
> 
> On 9/22/16, christopher hallsworth  wrote:
>> Hi, thought the lightning port to charge the remote is on the front?
>>> On 23 Sep 2016, at 01:57, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just to expand on this a little for Vaughn, the 3rd gen as everyone as
>>> said is not rechargeable.  The 4th is, on the back of the 4th is a
>>> lightning port.  You can use any lightning charger like your iPhone
>>> charger to give it a charge and under heavy use the remote lasts for
>>> months.  Same with the 3 it’s very energy efficient.
>>> 
 On Sep 22, 2016, at 2:54 PM, christopher hallsworth
  wrote:
 
 Hello
 
 First, the 3rd generation, as far as Apple Support is concerned, is long
 gone. So your chances of support may be slim. Not impossible, but slim.
 Now onto your questions.
 
 This remote, does not charge, unlike the 4th generation. Therefore, you
 change the batteries when it is low. To set it up with VoiceOver, make
 sure your TV is tuned into the correct HDMI input channel. You should
 then hear it talking you in how to turn on VoiceOver to set up Apple TV
 with VoiceOver.
 
 
> On 22 Sep 2016, at 05:38, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> I just purchased and received an Apple TV 3rd generation. I have the
> following question:
> 1. How do you recharge the batteries? The remote has a slim plug in
> the back but it did not come with a cable for recharging. I already
> tried looking this up on the web but it keeps mentioning 4th Gen.
> remotes.
> 2. What is the best way to set this up via voiceover? Does my actual
> TV need to be on a certain input such as auxillary?
> 
> I'm planning on calling Apple support but would appreciate your input.
> 
> Thanks,
> Vaughn
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Re: Sierra beta 10.12.1 and IOS 10.1 public beta 1 released

[christopher hallsworth]

No it’s just for iOS and no tvOS either. It’s only a small update to fix a few 
issues discovered in the Golden Master/public release.
> On 24 Sep 2016, at 05:25, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Yeah ios 10.2 is out and installed but nothing for watch OS,
> 
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> Hi Scott,
> 
> I wanted to correct you on something, the watchOS 3.1 beta is for developers 
> only.
>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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>> IOS, Sierra and Watch public betas have been released.  Being a .1 release a 
>> lot of these are bug fixes.
>> 
>> Note for voice over users on installation, when you reboot / restart to 
>> install there’s a window that appears, OSX setup with no windows, just wait 
>> here about 10 to 20 minutes.  Install is taking place but no Voice over 
>> status update.  Once you hear the startup chime the voice over starts, sees 
>> the apple and a percentage reading.  It sticks on 0% but it’s working, wait 
>> another 10 to 20 minutes and your normal password prompt appears or you’ll 
>> authenticate automatically if you’re using the watch.
>> 
>> Install em and enjoy.  Join using the normal method of downloading the .dmg 
>> file and running the installation pkg, the app store will update you via the 
>> normal update mechanism.
>> 
>> Good luck.
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