date:20171015

Hi Tim,

thanks for confirming the issue and thanks for the idea. Unfortunately it 
didn’t work. In this section there were just the three voices checked which I 
want to find in the rotor setting for voices. Fred wasn’t checked even though 
Fred appears in the rotor and I wasn’t able to uncheck this voice then.

I sent a bug report to Apple and they confirmed this. Of course they don’t know 
when it will be resolved.

All the best
Jürgen


> Am 16.10.2017 um 02:42 schrieb Tim Kilburn :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I agree that from a VO prospective, this is certainly a bug.  The workaround 
> is to use System Prefs.  Go into System Prefs, Accessibility, then select 
> Speech from the table.  The default System voice will be announced in the 
> pop-up.  Choose Customize from this menu and you can uncheck voices just like 
> in the VO Utility.  After pressing OK, you should be prompted with the 
> question "Would you like to remove the voice that you've unselected, or keep 
> them".  If you choose "Remove" then they shouldn't appear in the rotor 
> anymore.  I didn't test if you kept them whether they'd be removed from the 
> rotor, but deleting them did remove them from the rotor for me.
> 
> I still recommend that you submit a bug report about the problem from the VO 
> Utility prospective, but this hopefully helps you for now.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 15, 2017, at 16:58, John Panarese  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew,
>I stand corrected. Yes, I've just tried this with both the Apple default 
> voices and a few of the additional ones and though they are unchecked, they 
> remain in the rotor selections. Please report this to,
> accessibil...@apple.com 
> .  
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
> 
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> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 5:17 PM, Andrew Lamanche > > wrote:
>> 
>> Dear John,
>> 
>> That is exactly what I have done with no effect.  I’ve been a user of 
>> Voiceover for ten years, so I have quite a bit of experience of problems, 
>> and that’s what I’ve done straight away.  But this hasn’t produced any 
>> improvements.  That’s why I think it may be a bug.  Are you saying that you 
>> work in the multilingual environment with many voices and that you are not 
>> experiencing the same problems that I’ve described?
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 5:42 PM, John Panarese >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>You can remove any voices from VoiceOver Utility by unchecking the boxes 
>>> for the specific voice. Just choose, custom, as you would if you wanted to 
>>> add voices. Once you do this, you won't see the voices in the rotor options.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 15, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Jürgen Fleger > wrote:
 
 Yes, I don't like that either. Let's hope Apple will change this quickly 
 and not in 10.14. 
 
 
 
 Von meinem iPhone gesendet
 
> Am 15.10.2017 um 18:22 schrieb Andrew Lamanche  >:
> 
> Listers,
> 
> I must say i dislike the way the new voice rotor works.  Up until Sierra, 
> if you needed more than one language to work with, you would customise 
> the rotor by adding languages and then you would be able to choose the 
> language you want on the fly by vo+command+arrow keys.  The issue in High 
> Sierra is not that one needs the addition of the shift key to work but 
> rather that I have some other languages in the rotor which I have not 
> chosen and I can’t get rid of them.  Those of you who use more than one 
> language, can you see the same behaviour?  Also, before High Sierra, when 
> you chose a different language, the previous one you had been using was 
> just the next in the list if you wanted to return to it, all you needed 
> is one press of the key combination for the voices menu. In High Sierra 
> you have to go back up the list if the voice you have chosen is the third 
> or fourth, because the previous voice remains

Re: Voices in the rotor in High Sierra

2017-10-15 Thread E.T.

Except we could do this in Sierra. I need to boot into Sierra to
check something tomorrow if I don't forget.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/15/2017 8:28 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

I was able to remove Fred, but I wonder if the compact voices are used as part
of the base system so cannot be removed. Just a guess for now.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 15, 2017, at 19:09, E.T. wrote:

This seems to work on downloaded voices but not the compact ones. There are
6 of those from the English speaking countries.

On 10/15/2017 5:42 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,
I agree that from a VO prospective, this is certainly a bug. The workaround is to use System
Prefs. Go into System Prefs, Accessibility, then select Speech from the table. The default System
voice will be announced in the pop-up. Choose Customize from this menu and you can uncheck voices
just like in the VO Utility. After pressing OK, you should be prompted with the question
"Would you like to remove the voice that you've unselected, or keep them". If you choose
"Remove" then they shouldn't appear in the rotor anymore. I didn't test if you kept them
whether they'd be removed from the rotor, but deleting them did remove them from the rotor for me.
I still recommend that you submit a bug report about the problem from the VO
Utility prospective, but this hopefully helps you for now.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Oct 15, 2017, at 16:58, John Panarese > wrote:
Hi Andrew,
I stand corrected. Yes, I've just tried this with both the Apple default
voices and a few of the additional ones and though they are unchecked, they
remain in the rotor selections. Please report this to,
accessibil...@apple.com
.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT

On Oct 15, 2017, at 5:17 PM, Andrew Lamanche > wrote:

Dear John,

That is exactly what I have done with no effect. I’ve been a user of Voiceover
for ten years, so I have quite a bit of experience of problems, and that’s what
I’ve done straight away. But this hasn’t produced any improvements. That’s
why I think it may be a bug. Are you saying that you work in the multilingual
environment with many voices and that you are not experiencing the same
problems that I’ve described?

Andrew

On Oct 15, 2017, at 5:42 PM, John Panarese > wrote:

You can remove any voices from VoiceOver Utility by unchecking the boxes
for the specific voice. Just choose, custom, as you would if you wanted to add
voices. Once you do this, you won't see the voices in the rotor options.

Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

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AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

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On Oct 15, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Jürgen Fleger > wrote:

Yes, I don't like that either. Let's hope Apple will change this quickly and
not in 10.14.

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 15.10.2017 um 18:22 schrieb Andrew Lamanche >:

Listers,

I must say i dislike the way the new voice rotor works. Up until Sierra, if
you needed more than one language to work with, you would customise the rotor
by adding languages and then you would be able to choose the language you want
on the fly by vo+command+arrow keys. The issue in High Sierra is not that one
needs the addition of the shift key to work but rather that I have some other
languages in the rotor which I have not chosen and I can’t get rid of them.
Those of you who use more than one language, can you see the same behaviour?
Also, before High Sierra, when you chose a different language, the previous one
you had been using was just the next in the list if you wanted to return to it,
all you needed is one press of the key combination

Re: Network Neighbourhood

Hi,

If I'm understanding what you were doing correctly, it still works normally on 
my MacBook Pro in High Sierra.  I opened computer with cmd-option-c, located 
Network, pressed VO-back slash and it expanded to reveal my Extreme and other 
Macs on my home network.  I'm in list view if that makes any difference.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 15, 2017, at 12:15, Jeff Berwick  wrote:

Hi all,

Before I upgraded to High Sierra, I used to be able to go into computers, 
expand Network Neighbourhood and access my other computers and time capsules on 
my network.  However, since High Sierra, I am no longer able to expand Network 
Neighbourhood.

Wondering if there is something I need to change in order to use this feature 
again or, if there is a way that I can connect to my other computers through 
Terminal.

Tia,
Jeff


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Re: Voices in the rotor in High Sierra

Hi,

I was able to remove Fred, but I wonder if the compact voices are used as part 
of the base system so cannot be removed.  Just a guess for now.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 15, 2017, at 19:09, E.T.  wrote:

  This seems to work on downloaded voices but not the compact ones. There are 6 
of those from the English speaking countries.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/15/2017 5:42 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi,
> I agree that from a VO prospective, this is certainly a bug.  The workaround 
> is to use System Prefs.  Go into System Prefs, Accessibility, then select 
> Speech from the table.  The default System voice will be announced in the 
> pop-up.  Choose Customize from this menu and you can uncheck voices just like 
> in the VO Utility.  After pressing OK, you should be prompted with the 
> question "Would you like to remove the voice that you've unselected, or keep 
> them".  If you choose "Remove" then they shouldn't appear in the rotor 
> anymore.  I didn't test if you kept them whether they'd be removed from the 
> rotor, but deleting them did remove them from the rotor for me.
> I still recommend that you submit a bug report about the problem from the VO 
> Utility prospective, but this hopefully helps you for now.
> Later...
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Oct 15, 2017, at 16:58, John Panarese  > wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
>I stand corrected. Yes, I've just tried this with both the Apple default 
> voices and a few of the additional ones and though they are unchecked, they 
> remain in the rotor selections. Please report this to,
> accessibil...@apple.com 
> .
> Take Care
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
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> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 5:17 PM, Andrew Lamanche > > wrote:
>> 
>> Dear John,
>> 
>> That is exactly what I have done with no effect.  I’ve been a user of 
>> Voiceover for ten years, so I have quite a bit of experience of problems, 
>> and that’s what I’ve done straight away.  But this hasn’t produced any 
>> improvements.  That’s why I think it may be a bug.  Are you saying that you 
>> work in the multilingual environment with many voices and that you are not 
>> experiencing the same problems that I’ve described?
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 5:42 PM, John Panarese >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>You can remove any voices from VoiceOver Utility by unchecking the boxes 
>>> for the specific voice. Just choose, custom, as you would if you wanted to 
>>> add voices. Once you do this, you won't see the voices in the rotor options.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 15, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Jürgen Fleger > wrote:
 
 Yes, I don't like that either. Let's hope Apple will change this quickly 
 and not in 10.14.
 
 
 
 Von meinem iPhone gesendet
 
> Am 15.10.2017 um 18:22 schrieb Andrew Lamanche  >:
> 
> Listers,
> 
> I must say i dislike the way the new voice rotor works.  Up until Sierra, 
> if you needed more than one language to work with, you would customise 
> the rotor by adding languages and then you would be able to choose the 
> language you want on the fly by vo+command+arrow keys.  The issue in High 
> Sierra is not that one needs the addition of the shift key to work but 
> rather that I have some other languages in the rotor which I have not 
> chosen and I can’t get rid of them.  Those of you who use more than one 
> language, can you see the same behaviour?  Also, before High Sierra, when 
> you chose a different language, the previous one you had been using was 
> just the next in the list if you wanted to return to it, all you needed 
> is one press of the key combination for the voices menu. In High Sierra 
> you have to

Re: Voices in the rotor in High Sierra

2017-10-15 Thread E.T.

   This seems to work on downloaded voices but not the compact ones. 
There are 6 of those from the English speaking countries.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/15/2017 5:42 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

I agree that from a VO prospective, this is certainly a bug.  The 
workaround is to use System Prefs.  Go into System Prefs, Accessibility, 
then select Speech from the table.  The default System voice will be 
announced in the pop-up.  Choose Customize from this menu and you can 
uncheck voices just like in the VO Utility.  After pressing OK, you 
should be prompted with the question "Would you like to remove the voice 
that you've unselected, or keep them".  If you choose "Remove" then they 
shouldn't appear in the rotor anymore.  I didn't test if you kept them 
whether they'd be removed from the rotor, but deleting them did remove 
them from the rotor for me.


I still recommend that you submit a bug report about the problem from 
the VO Utility prospective, but this hopefully helps you for now.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 15, 2017, at 16:58, John Panarese > wrote:


Hi Andrew,
    I stand corrected. Yes, I've just tried this with both the Apple 
default voices and a few of the additional ones and though they are 
unchecked, they remain in the rotor selections. Please report this to,

accessibil...@apple.com 
.

Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 

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On Oct 15, 2017, at 5:17 PM, Andrew Lamanche > wrote:


Dear John,

That is exactly what I have done with no effect.  I’ve been a user of 
Voiceover for ten years, so I have quite a bit of experience of 
problems, and that’s what I’ve done straight away.  But this hasn’t 
produced any improvements.  That’s why I think it may be a bug.  Are 
you saying that you work in the multilingual environment with many 
voices and that you are not experiencing the same problems that I’ve 
described?


Andrew

On Oct 15, 2017, at 5:42 PM, John Panarese > wrote:


   You can remove any voices from VoiceOver Utility by unchecking the 
boxes for the specific voice. Just choose, custom, as you would if 
you wanted to add voices. Once you do this, you won't see the voices 
in the rotor options.



Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 

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On Oct 15, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Jürgen Fleger 
> wrote:


Yes, I don't like that either. Let's hope Apple will change this 
quickly and not in 10.14.




Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 15.10.2017 um 18:22 schrieb Andrew Lamanche >:


Listers,

I must say i dislike the way the new voice rotor works.  Up until 
Sierra, if you needed more than one language to work with, you 
would customise the rotor by adding languages and then you would be 
able to choose the language you want on the fly by vo+command+arrow 
keys.  The issue in High Sierra is not that one needs the addition 
of the shift key to work but rather that I have some other 
languages in the rotor which I have not chosen and I can’t get rid 
of them.  Those of you who use more than one language, can you see 
the same behaviour?  Also, before High Sierra, when you chose a 
different language, the previous one you had been using was just 
the next in the list if you wanted to return to it, all you needed 
is one press of the key combination for the voices menu. In High 
Sierra you have to go back up the list if the voice you have chosen 
is the third or fourth, because the previous voice remains where it 
always has been in the list.  Could you test it for me?


Many thanks

Andrew

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Re: Voices in the rotor in High Sierra

Hi,

I agree that from a VO prospective, this is certainly a bug.  The workaround is 
to use System Prefs.  Go into System Prefs, Accessibility, then select Speech 
from the table.  The default System voice will be announced in the pop-up.  
Choose Customize from this menu and you can uncheck voices just like in the VO 
Utility.  After pressing OK, you should be prompted with the question "Would 
you like to remove the voice that you've unselected, or keep them".  If you 
choose "Remove" then they shouldn't appear in the rotor anymore.  I didn't test 
if you kept them whether they'd be removed from the rotor, but deleting them 
did remove them from the rotor for me.

I still recommend that you submit a bug report about the problem from the VO 
Utility prospective, but this hopefully helps you for now.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 15, 2017, at 16:58, John Panarese  wrote:

Hi Andrew,
   I stand corrected. Yes, I've just tried this with both the Apple default 
voices and a few of the additional ones and though they are unchecked, they 
remain in the rotor selections. Please report this to,
accessibil...@apple.com 
.  

Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 

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> On Oct 15, 2017, at 5:17 PM, Andrew Lamanche  > wrote:
> 
> Dear John,
> 
> That is exactly what I have done with no effect.  I’ve been a user of 
> Voiceover for ten years, so I have quite a bit of experience of problems, and 
> that’s what I’ve done straight away.  But this hasn’t produced any 
> improvements.  That’s why I think it may be a bug.  Are you saying that you 
> work in the multilingual environment with many voices and that you are not 
> experiencing the same problems that I’ve described?
> 
> Andrew
> 
>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 5:42 PM, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>>You can remove any voices from VoiceOver Utility by unchecking the boxes 
>> for the specific voice. Just choose, custom, as you would if you wanted to 
>> add voices. Once you do this, you won't see the voices in the rotor options.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>> 
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>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Jürgen Fleger >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, I don't like that either. Let's hope Apple will change this quickly 
>>> and not in 10.14. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>>> 
 Am 15.10.2017 um 18:22 schrieb Andrew Lamanche >:

 Listers,

 I must say i dislike the way the new voice rotor works.  Up until Sierra, 
 if you needed more than one language to work with, you would customise the 
 rotor by adding languages and then you would be able to choose the 
 language you want on the fly by vo+command+arrow keys.  The issue in High 
 Sierra is not that one needs the addition of the shift key to work but 
 rather that I have some other languages in the rotor which I have not 
 chosen and I can’t get rid of them.  Those of you who use more than one 
 language, can you see the same behaviour?  Also, before High Sierra, when 
 you chose a different language, the previous one you had been using was 
 just the next in the list if you wanted to return to it, all you needed is 
 one press of the key combination for the voices menu. In High Sierra you 
 have to go back up the list if the voice you have chosen is the third or 
 fourth, because the previous voice remains where it always has been in the 
 list.  Could you test it for me?

 Many thanks

 Andrew

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Re: Voices in the rotor in High Sierra

2017-10-15 Thread John Panarese

Hi Andrew,
   I stand corrected. Yes, I've just tried this with both the Apple default 
voices and a few of the additional ones and though they are unchecked, they 
remain in the rotor selections. Please report this to,
accessibil...@apple.com
.  

Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

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AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT

> On Oct 15, 2017, at 5:17 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Dear John,
> 
> That is exactly what I have done with no effect.  I’ve been a user of 
> Voiceover for ten years, so I have quite a bit of experience of problems, and 
> that’s what I’ve done straight away.  But this hasn’t produced any 
> improvements.  That’s why I think it may be a bug.  Are you saying that you 
> work in the multilingual environment with many voices and that you are not 
> experiencing the same problems that I’ve described?
> 
> Andrew
> 
>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 5:42 PM, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>>You can remove any voices from VoiceOver Utility by unchecking the boxes 
>> for the specific voice. Just choose, custom, as you would if you wanted to 
>> add voices. Once you do this, you won't see the voices in the rotor options.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>> 
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>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Jürgen Fleger >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, I don't like that either. Let's hope Apple will change this quickly 
>>> and not in 10.14. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>>> 
 Am 15.10.2017 um 18:22 schrieb Andrew Lamanche >:

 Listers,

 I must say i dislike the way the new voice rotor works.  Up until Sierra, 
 if you needed more than one language to work with, you would customise the 
 rotor by adding languages and then you would be able to choose the 
 language you want on the fly by vo+command+arrow keys.  The issue in High 
 Sierra is not that one needs the addition of the shift key to work but 
 rather that I have some other languages in the rotor which I have not 
 chosen and I can’t get rid of them.  Those of you who use more than one 
 language, can you see the same behaviour?  Also, before High Sierra, when 
 you chose a different language, the previous one you had been using was 
 just the next in the list if you wanted to return to it, all you needed is 
 one press of the key combination for the voices menu. In High Sierra you 
 have to go back up the list if the voice you have chosen is the third or 
 fourth, because the previous voice remains where it always has been in the 
 list.  Could you test it for me?

 Many thanks

 Andrew

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Re: Maps is positively useless under iOS 11.

2017-10-15 Thread Donna Goodin

Hi, Sandie,

I think you're very smart for sticking with IOS 10.  Since updating, I'm seeing 
slightly better results in Maps, but honestly, I'm wishing I'd done what you 
did.  And before anyone goes off on a rant about how people just can't accept 
change, won't learn new things, blah, blah, blah, I'm quite receptive to new 
operating systems.  I just don't think IOS 11 is an improvement in any way, 
shape or form.
Donna
> On Oct 14, 2017, at 5:27 AM, sandi sørensen  wrote:
> 
> Do we know if an IPad with IOS 11 have turn by turn, finding a Gf with a car 
> is workable, but i dont have an IPhone with IOS 11, and not even for  yall am 
> i going to update mine to IOS 11.
> Donna says her self she changes between overview and turn by turn, so okay 
> her focus might change, but this is plane weird.
> I wanna find out what goes on,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 14 Oct 2017, at 12.20, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Sandie,
>> 
>> I’m glad to hear that you have never seen such behavior in maps, it gives me 
>> hope that my problem might be solvable someday. :-)
>> 
>> That was what really weirded me out. Having it on turn by turn didn’t help. 
>> I’m about to install the update to 1103, so hopefully that will fix the 
>> problem. If not I’ll try what Mark suggested.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 3:45 AM, sandi sørensen > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Donna, maybe this is a really stupid question, but, if , for example you 
>>> are in a car, your husband is driving , why, not just have it on turn by 
>>> turn? I realize this does not solve your problem, but might it work for the 
>>> time you are traveling?
>>> I have absolutely never ever heard about such behavior in maps, and i use 
>>> it , lots...
>>> Sandie
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On 14 Oct 2017, at 01.41, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Donna,

 Yeah that’s weird,

 I must admit I’m not impressed by maps on my 7+,
 But tha’ts more to do with the constant refreshing of the screen that 
 seems to be happening when I open the app.

 I don’t use it when I’m home  as I know my city without the need to use 
 maps or get directions.

 But it’s usefull when travelling and currently checking it out it’s 
 constantly refreshing and not letting me make the setting changes I want 
 to put in.

 Guess I’ll keep playing for now.

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 ] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
 Sent: Saturday, 14 October 2017 10:53 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

 Subject: Re: Maps is positively useless under iOS 11.

 I’m running on an iPhone 7, Simon.
 Donna

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 13, 2017, at 3:37 PM, Simon Fogarty > wrote:

 What model of phone is it we’re talking about things working or not 
 working on?

 Is it working better on a 7 or 6 etc,

 Full info here folks might help with correcting the issues.

 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 ]On Behalf Of sandi sørensen
 Sent: Saturday, 14 October 2017 3:15 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

 Subject: Re: Maps is positively useless under iOS 11.

 Have just used Maps on a IOS 11 IPhone,
 Not one single problem.
 I wonder what she  do wrong?

 Sent from my iPad

 On 13 Oct 2017, at 15.57, Scott Berry > wrote:

 You guys complain about these things but never report.  Report these to:

 http://www.apple.com/feedback 

 Or if they are truly accessibility issues you can report them to:

 accessibil...@apple.com .  Complaining on 
 the list isn’t going to get any where.  Apple isn’t a mind reader and this 
 is the end of what I say so if your commenting plan on it being deleted 
 becausee I am frustrated with the fact that I’ve provided this link before 
 and the same results seem to be happening you don’t report the bugs so 
 they can’t get fixed.  Even though some of us may be beta testers not all 
 of us happen to run in to the same problems that the general public have 
 and moaning and groaning just isn’t

Re: Voices in the rotor in High Sierra

2017-10-15 Thread Andrew Lamanche

Hi Alex,

I know this, but it just doesn’t work.  I think you are speaking from the 
knowledge you have of how things should work but in this instance they don’t.  
I’ve unchecked everything that possibly could be unchecked and I’m still having 
these voices enabled.  I hear from other members of this group that they are 
encountering the same issue.  It therefore is a bug.  Please tell me that you 
do work in the multilingual environment and that you do not encounter my 
problems.  That would make me think that there’s something wrong with my set 
up.  I did a clean install of High Sierra by the way.

> On Oct 15, 2017, at 8:12 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> If you look at the table of language options in VO Utility . Speech, you can 
> see all the voices that are enabled. Simply remove one to disable it in your 
> rotor, or add one to enable it.
> 
> --
> Alex Hall
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 13:25, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>>   If you uncheck them, they still show up on the rotor?  I'll have to look 
>> at that.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
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>> 
>>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 1:12 PM, Jürgen Fleger >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately not these voices in High Sierra. Seems to be a bug. 
>>> 
>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>>> 
>>> Am 15.10.2017 um 18:42 schrieb John Panarese >> >:
>>> 
You can remove any voices from VoiceOver Utility by unchecking the 
 boxes for the specific voice. Just choose, custom, as you would if you 
 wanted to add voices. Once you do this, you won't see the voices in the 
 rotor options.
 
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
 Director
 Mac for the Blind
 Tel, (631) 724-4479
 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
 Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
 
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> On Oct 15, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Jürgen Fleger  > wrote:
> 
> Yes, I don't like that either. Let's hope Apple will change this quickly 
> and not in 10.14. 
> 
> 
> 
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> 
>> Am 15.10.2017 um 18:22 schrieb Andrew Lamanche > >:
>> 
>> Listers,
>> 
>> I must say i dislike the way the new voice rotor works.  Up until 
>> Sierra, if you needed more than one language to work with, you would 
>> customise the rotor by adding languages and then you would be able to 
>> choose the language you want on the fly by vo+command+arrow keys.  The 
>> issue in High Sierra is not that one needs the addition of the shift key 
>> to work but rather that I have some other languages in the rotor which I 
>> have not chosen and I can’t get rid of them.  Those of you who use more 
>> than one language, can you see the same behaviour?  Also, before High 
>> Sierra, when you chose a different language, the previous one you had 
>> been using was just the next in the list if you wanted to return to it, 
>> all you needed is one press of the key combination for the voices menu. 
>> In High Sierra you have to go back up the list if the voice you have 
>> chosen is the third or fourth, because the previous voice remains where 
>> it always has been in the list.  Could you test it for me?
>> 
>> Many thanks
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: Voices in the rotor in High Sierra

2017-10-15 Thread Andrew Lamanche

Dear John,

That is exactly what I have done with no effect.  I’ve been a user of Voiceover 
for ten years, so I have quite a bit of experience of problems, and that’s what 
I’ve done straight away.  But this hasn’t produced any improvements.  That’s 
why I think it may be a bug.  Are you saying that you work in the multilingual 
environment with many voices and that you are not experiencing the same 
problems that I’ve described?

Andrew

> On Oct 15, 2017, at 5:42 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>You can remove any voices from VoiceOver Utility by unchecking the boxes 
> for the specific voice. Just choose, custom, as you would if you wanted to 
> add voices. Once you do this, you won't see the voices in the rotor options.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
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> 
>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Jürgen Fleger > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, I don't like that either. Let's hope Apple will change this quickly and 
>> not in 10.14. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>> 
>>> Am 15.10.2017 um 18:22 schrieb Andrew Lamanche >> >:
>>> 
>>> Listers,
>>> 
>>> I must say i dislike the way the new voice rotor works.  Up until Sierra, 
>>> if you needed more than one language to work with, you would customise the 
>>> rotor by adding languages and then you would be able to choose the language 
>>> you want on the fly by vo+command+arrow keys.  The issue in High Sierra is 
>>> not that one needs the addition of the shift key to work but rather that I 
>>> have some other languages in the rotor which I have not chosen and I can’t 
>>> get rid of them.  Those of you who use more than one language, can you see 
>>> the same behaviour?  Also, before High Sierra, when you chose a different 
>>> language, the previous one you had been using was just the next in the list 
>>> if you wanted to return to it, all you needed is one press of the key 
>>> combination for the voices menu. In High Sierra you have to go back up the 
>>> list if the voice you have chosen is the third or fourth, because the 
>>> previous voice remains where it always has been in the list.  Could you 
>>> test it for me?
>>> 
>>> Many thanks
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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Re: Voices in the rotor in High Sierra

Hi Alex, did you really check this? In High Sierra it is broken in that way 
that there are some voices in the rotor which are not checked in VoiceOver 
utilities and which I never would have checked like Fred. So, if you know a way 
of removing them I'd be more then delighted.

Thanks, Jürgen



Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 15.10.2017 um 21:12 schrieb Alex Hall :
> 
> If you look at the table of language options in VO Utility . Speech, you can 
> see all the voices that are enabled. Simply remove one to disable it in your 
> rotor, or add one to enable it.
> 
> --
> Alex Hall
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 13:25, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>   If you uncheck them, they still show up on the rotor?  I'll have to look 
>> at that.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
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>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 1:12 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately not these voices in High Sierra. Seems to be a bug. 
>>> 
>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>>> 
 Am 15.10.2017 um 18:42 schrieb John Panarese :
 
You can remove any voices from VoiceOver Utility by unchecking the 
 boxes for the specific voice. Just choose, custom, as you would if you 
 wanted to add voices. Once you do this, you won't see the voices in the 
 rotor options.
 
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
 Director
 Mac for the Blind
 Tel, (631) 724-4479
 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
 Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
 
 APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
 
 AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
 
 MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
 
 
 
> On Oct 15, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Jürgen Fleger  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, I don't like that either. Let's hope Apple will change this quickly 
> and not in 10.14. 
> 
> 
> 
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> 
>> Am 15.10.2017 um 18:22 schrieb Andrew Lamanche :
>> 
>> Listers,
>> 
>> I must say i dislike the way the new voice rotor works.  Up until 
>> Sierra, if you needed more than one language to work with, you would 
>> customise the rotor by adding languages and then you would be able to 
>> choose the language you want on the fly by vo+command+arrow keys.  The 
>> issue in High Sierra is not that one needs the addition of the shift key 
>> to work but rather that I have some other languages in the rotor which I 
>> have not chosen and I can’t get rid of them.  Those of you who use more 
>> than one language, can you see the same behaviour?  Also, before High 
>> Sierra, when you chose a different language, the previous one you had 
>> been using was just the next in the list if you wanted to return to it, 
>> all you needed is one press of the key combination for the voices menu. 
>> In High Sierra you have to go back up the list if the voice you have 
>> chosen is the third or fourth, because the previous voice remains where 
>> it always has been in the list.  Could you test it for me?
>> 
>> Many thanks
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: terminal work

Hi,

With Jonathan's good advice regarding different connected volumes, do the 
following:

sudo cp -av source_folder target_location

As Alex mentioned, when the password prompt is displayed, enter your regular 
Admin password.  You will not get any feedback while entering it.  It will just 
ask for the password again if you enter the wrong one, or move on if it's good. 
 Again, you can still use the copy/paste method to ensure your source and 
target locations are entered using the correct syntax.

HTH.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 15, 2017, at 13:02, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:

After I hit the file utility button, I try and unlock the window and it just 
hangs..stays busy for ages.

when I tried to move stuff in the terminal as you instructed, it said 
“password” after I typed the sudo mv source destination line, so I retyped 
everything with the password and then terminal quit unexpectedly after a little 
while when I thought it was actually working!  totally frustrating this whole 
thing!  If all else fails, I can leave the folder where it is, but I really 
really want everything in one place, and then the disk where the files were can 
be used as a time machine backup disk.  *sigh*

thanks for all the help, and patience!!

Cait in windy Ontario


> On Oct 15, 2017, at 10:53 AM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes you can use the same method to make sure the destination or target path 
> is correct.  Just be sure that there is a space between the source path and 
> the target path.  Regarding the stuff after the Join button in my original 
> response, most of that is immaterial so I didn't bother mentioning it.  The 
> "Open Directory Utility" button is just before the Cancel button.  Once the 
> Directory Utility app is open, you need to unlock the padlock and you can 
> ignore most things in the window as you only need to enable the root user 
> from within the Edit menu.
> 
> Hope you're getting somewhere with this.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 14, 2017, at 23:32, Caitlyn Furness  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> can I do this copy and paste deal with the destination as well?
> 
> I did try your other trick with the root account, but I got a bunch of stuff 
> you didn’t mention, so got a little bogged down in all of it  For example, I 
> couldn’t find where to edit things after I clicked on file analysis or 
> whatever that is after you click join..
> 
> sorry, need more coffee..
> 
> Thanks!
> Caitlyn
> 
> 
>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 7:59 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> In addition to Alex's comments, you will encounter the same issues you had 
>> in the GUI since the level of authority of the user performing the move 
>> action is still you.  You may wish to use the "sudo" command in front of the 
>> "mv" command.  Also, a trick you can use to ensure you have the correct path 
>> in Terminal, is to locate the file in the Finder, then use cmd-c to Copy it. 
>>  When you paste it into Terminal, it will actually paste the path, not the 
>> contents.  So, it might say something lie
>> 
>> sudo mv /volumes/HD-2/Library/My\ Books target_location
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 17:24, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> First, I think you need quotes if you're going to use paths with spaces. Put 
>> each path--origin and destination--in quotes and see if that helps.
>> 
>> Second, if you want to move all the files and folders in origin, use the -R 
>> flag (note that the R is capitalized).
>> 
>> Third, you start with Volumes. Unless you've already changed your directory 
>> to slash, this will look for a folder called Volumes in the location you're 
>> in. You probably want /Volumes (slash before Volumes) instead.
>> 
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 18:50, Caitlyn Furness >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> so I’ve been trying to move files from one place to another with the 
>>> terminal.  I am screwing this up royally, so any help would be great.  
>>> Here’s what I’ve been typing:
>>> 
>>> mv Volumes/Library Disk /Volumes/My Book/books
>>> 
>>> What am I doing wrong, please?  This is trying to move files from one 
>>> external drive to another via terminal..
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> Cait
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Re: terminal work

Sudo requires a password. Type it as you did the first time, and when Terminal 
asks for your password, type in the one you'd use for any other administrative 
task in your Mac account.

If Terminal and Finder are both choking, are you sure the disk itself is okay? 
Could there be corruption of some kind?

--
Alex Hall




> On Oct 15, 2017, at 15:02, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
> 
> After I hit the file utility button, I try and unlock the window and it just 
> hangs..stays busy for ages.
> 
> when I tried to move stuff in the terminal as you instructed, it said 
> “password” after I typed the sudo mv source destination line, so I retyped 
> everything with the password and then terminal quit unexpectedly after a 
> little while when I thought it was actually working!  totally frustrating 
> this whole thing!  If all else fails, I can leave the folder where it is, but 
> I really really want everything in one place, and then the disk where the 
> files were can be used as a time machine backup disk.  *sigh*
> 
> thanks for all the help, and patience!!
> 
> Cait in windy Ontario
> 
> 
>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 10:53 AM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes you can use the same method to make sure the destination or target path 
>> is correct.  Just be sure that there is a space between the source path and 
>> the target path.  Regarding the stuff after the Join button in my original 
>> response, most of that is immaterial so I didn't bother mentioning it.  The 
>> "Open Directory Utility" button is just before the Cancel button.  Once the 
>> Directory Utility app is open, you need to unlock the padlock and you can 
>> ignore most things in the window as you only need to enable the root user 
>> from within the Edit menu.
>> 
>> Hope you're getting somewhere with this.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 23:32, Caitlyn Furness > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> can I do this copy and paste deal with the destination as well?
>> 
>> I did try your other trick with the root account, but I got a bunch of stuff 
>> you didn’t mention, so got a little bogged down in all of it  For example, I 
>> couldn’t find where to edit things after I clicked on file analysis or 
>> whatever that is after you click join..
>> 
>> sorry, need more coffee..
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Caitlyn
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 7:59 PM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> In addition to Alex's comments, you will encounter the same issues you had 
>>> in the GUI since the level of authority of the user performing the move 
>>> action is still you.  You may wish to use the "sudo" command in front of 
>>> the "mv" command.  Also, a trick you can use to ensure you have the correct 
>>> path in Terminal, is to locate the file in the Finder, then use cmd-c to 
>>> Copy it.  When you paste it into Terminal, it will actually paste the path, 
>>> not the contents.  So, it might say something lie
>>> 
>>> sudo mv /volumes/HD-2/Library/My\ Books target_location
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 17:24, Alex Hall >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> First, I think you need quotes if you're going to use paths with spaces. 
>>> Put each path--origin and destination--in quotes and see if that helps.
>>> 
>>> Second, if you want to move all the files and folders in origin, use the -R 
>>> flag (note that the R is capitalized).
>>> 
>>> Third, you start with Volumes. Unless you've already changed your directory 
>>> to slash, this will look for a folder called Volumes in the location you're 
>>> in. You probably want /Volumes (slash before Volumes) instead.
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 14, 2017, at 18:50, Caitlyn Furness > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 so I’ve been trying to move files from one place to another with the 
 terminal.  I am screwing this up royally, so any help would be great.  
 Here’s what I’ve been typing:
 
 mv Volumes/Library Disk /Volumes/My Book/books
 
 What am I doing wrong, please?  This is trying to move files from one 
 external drive to another via terminal..
 
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Re: Voices in the rotor in High Sierra

If you look at the table of language options in VO Utility . Speech, you can 
see all the voices that are enabled. Simply remove one to disable it in your 
rotor, or add one to enable it.

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> On Oct 15, 2017, at 13:25, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   If you uncheck them, they still show up on the rotor?  I'll have to look at 
> that.
> 
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>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 1:12 PM, Jürgen Fleger > > wrote:
>> 
>> Unfortunately not these voices in High Sierra. Seems to be a bug. 
>> 
>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>> 
>> Am 15.10.2017 um 18:42 schrieb John Panarese > >:
>> 
>>>You can remove any voices from VoiceOver Utility by unchecking the boxes 
>>> for the specific voice. Just choose, custom, as you would if you wanted to 
>>> add voices. Once you do this, you won't see the voices in the rotor options.
>>> 
>>> 
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 On Oct 15, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Jürgen Fleger > wrote:
 
 Yes, I don't like that either. Let's hope Apple will change this quickly 
 and not in 10.14. 
 
 
 
 Von meinem iPhone gesendet
 
> Am 15.10.2017 um 18:22 schrieb Andrew Lamanche  >:
> 
> Listers,
> 
> I must say i dislike the way the new voice rotor works.  Up until Sierra, 
> if you needed more than one language to work with, you would customise 
> the rotor by adding languages and then you would be able to choose the 
> language you want on the fly by vo+command+arrow keys.  The issue in High 
> Sierra is not that one needs the addition of the shift key to work but 
> rather that I have some other languages in the rotor which I have not 
> chosen and I can’t get rid of them.  Those of you who use more than one 
> language, can you see the same behaviour?  Also, before High Sierra, when 
> you chose a different language, the previous one you had been using was 
> just the next in the list if you wanted to return to it, all you needed 
> is one press of the key combination for the voices menu. In High Sierra 
> you have to go back up the list if the voice you have chosen is the third 
> or fourth, because the previous voice remains where it always has been in 
> the list.  Could you test it for me?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
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Re: Auto-mount net drive on boot?

Sorry, that I don't have. I use a network drive connected to my router, but not 
very often. It's there when I look, but I don't know when it mounts. Still, it 
never gives me an error. I don't use my Mac for shared folders on other 
computers or anything like that, only my Windows box at work.

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> On Oct 15, 2017, at 11:31, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Alex,
> 
> If you have references around still for how to auto mount smb devices in El 
> Capitan, I would appreciate a link. Currently my work machine gives an error 
> every time I login about not being able to find a share. Currently I have 
> been just ignoring it, but if a calendar alert comes up after this error then 
> it gets a bit more difficult to get started with work. Hopefully this is 
> something I can fix myself and don't need the IT department to play with my 
> active directory entries.
> 
> Thanks for any references you have.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 8:11 AM, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> For quite a while now, I've kept my VO preferences on a DMG stored in my 
>> iCloud Drive. This makes it very easy to use my prefs on beta drives or if I 
>> switch Macs. The only problem is that I lose my prefs on boot until I mount 
>> the DMG.
>> 
>> It's only a few steps (Finder, cmd-shift-i, type v o I to get to my disk, 
>> cmd-o). Still, I'd like to automate this if I can, so the Mac mounts the 
>> disk image on its own when it boots. I've had a look online, but the only 
>> thing I found was about network drives or SMB shares, which I don't want. 
>> This is just a locally stored DMG that I want to force to mount on boot. Any 
>> thoughts or suggestions? Thanks.
>> 
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Re: terminal work

2017-10-15 Thread Caitlyn Furness

After I hit the file utility button, I try and unlock the window and it just 
hangs..stays busy for ages.

when I tried to move stuff in the terminal as you instructed, it said 
“password” after I typed the sudo mv source destination line, so I retyped 
everything with the password and then terminal quit unexpectedly after a little 
while when I thought it was actually working!  totally frustrating this whole 
thing!  If all else fails, I can leave the folder where it is, but I really 
really want everything in one place, and then the disk where the files were can 
be used as a time machine backup disk.  *sigh*

thanks for all the help, and patience!!

Cait in windy Ontario


> On Oct 15, 2017, at 10:53 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes you can use the same method to make sure the destination or target path 
> is correct.  Just be sure that there is a space between the source path and 
> the target path.  Regarding the stuff after the Join button in my original 
> response, most of that is immaterial so I didn't bother mentioning it.  The 
> "Open Directory Utility" button is just before the Cancel button.  Once the 
> Directory Utility app is open, you need to unlock the padlock and you can 
> ignore most things in the window as you only need to enable the root user 
> from within the Edit menu.
> 
> Hope you're getting somewhere with this.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 14, 2017, at 23:32, Caitlyn Furness  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> can I do this copy and paste deal with the destination as well?
> 
> I did try your other trick with the root account, but I got a bunch of stuff 
> you didn’t mention, so got a little bogged down in all of it  For example, I 
> couldn’t find where to edit things after I clicked on file analysis or 
> whatever that is after you click join..
> 
> sorry, need more coffee..
> 
> Thanks!
> Caitlyn
> 
> 
>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 7:59 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> In addition to Alex's comments, you will encounter the same issues you had 
>> in the GUI since the level of authority of the user performing the move 
>> action is still you.  You may wish to use the "sudo" command in front of the 
>> "mv" command.  Also, a trick you can use to ensure you have the correct path 
>> in Terminal, is to locate the file in the Finder, then use cmd-c to Copy it. 
>>  When you paste it into Terminal, it will actually paste the path, not the 
>> contents.  So, it might say something lie
>> 
>> sudo mv /volumes/HD-2/Library/My\ Books target_location
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 17:24, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> First, I think you need quotes if you're going to use paths with spaces. Put 
>> each path--origin and destination--in quotes and see if that helps.
>> 
>> Second, if you want to move all the files and folders in origin, use the -R 
>> flag (note that the R is capitalized).
>> 
>> Third, you start with Volumes. Unless you've already changed your directory 
>> to slash, this will look for a folder called Volumes in the location you're 
>> in. You probably want /Volumes (slash before Volumes) instead.
>> 
>> --
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 18:50, Caitlyn Furness >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> so I’ve been trying to move files from one place to another with the 
>>> terminal.  I am screwing this up royally, so any help would be great.  
>>> Here’s what I’ve been typing:
>>> 
>>> mv Volumes/Library Disk /Volumes/My Book/books
>>> 
>>> What am I doing wrong, please?  This is trying to move files from one 
>>> external drive to another via terminal..
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> Cait
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Re: To update or not to update, that is the question!

2017-10-15 Thread Jed Barton

Hey guys, so in 11.0.3, does it fix any of the voiceover stuff?  This
is why i have stuck with IOS10.

On 10/15/17, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> Donna,
>
> I have been thinking about your issues with navigation. Do you know if it is
> the application getting confused when you switch modes or is the map app
> just not finding you accurately.
>
> The message "proceed to the route" generally occurs for me when I am in a
> parking lot or garage several yards away from a public road. So it generally
> should not occur if you start the maps app while stopped on the side of the
> road. I believe one of three things is happening:
>
> 1. Your clock is off or in some other way your GPS calculated position does
> not match where you actually are. Sometimes software updates include updated
> databases about the satellites that are used to track location.
> 2. The roads in your area became incorrectly located with the update. Using
> Google Maps or MapQuest app would probably resolve this issue and both apps
> are free.
> 3. When you pause live navigation to get a list of directions and then go
> back to live mode. The maps app gets confused by a sudden jump in location,
> (I have seen this happen with my public transportation applications). This
> could also be resolved by using a non apple navigation app.
>
> One quick test would be to see if MAPS correctly identifies the address of
> your home. If it does then I expect it is very unlikely that issue 1 is part
> of your problem.
>
> Also, have you determined a pattern of when maps is getting confused? Either
> in a specific area or after you perform some actions?
>
> How truly frustrating this must all be.
>  Hang in there and I am sure things will get better. Though I do have to
> agree, except for the fact that Google makes most of its money by selling
> information about individuals to advertisers, I find their products very
> appealing in the variety and complexity of services.
>
>   Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
>
>
>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 11:15 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>
>> I have the seven, and I performed the update this morning. Seeing some
>> improvement in Maps. It’s better, but still not as good as it was under
>> iOS 10. However on our last outing, it did get us where we needed to go,
>> which is definitely an improvement.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 10:11 AM, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wha tphone do you have?
>>>
 On 10/14/17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 Well, since it seems that I can’t roll back. I think that’s exactly what
 I’m
 going to do. :-)
 Cheers,
 Donna

 Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2017, at 5:52 PM, Robert Cole 
> wrote:
>
> If it was me,
> I would update to see if it fixes your problems, and if that doesn’t
> help,
> Then reset the phone.
>
>
>> On Oct 13, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>
>> Well, my Maps dilemma becomes more interesting. I didn’t remember
>> doing
>> any updating since the initial install of iOS 11, so decided to check
>> and
>> see what version I’m running I am in fact running version 11.0.
>> According
>> to what was posted last night, this means I can still roll back to
>> version 10 if I want to. So, A new dilemma. Should I roll back to
>> version
>> 10, or update to version 03, and see if that fixes the trouble I’m
>> having. Wheather related to maps or just in general I’d be curious to
>> hear people’s thoughts on the subsequent updates to version 11. Did
>> you
>> notice any substantive changes?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>>
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Network Neighbourhood

2017-10-15 Thread Jeff Berwick

Hi all,

Before I upgraded to High Sierra, I used to be able to go into computers, 
expand Network Neighbourhood and access my other computers and time capsules on 
my network.  However, since High Sierra, I am no longer able to expand Network 
Neighbourhood.

Wondering if there is something I need to change in order to use this feature 
again or, if there is a way that I can connect to my other computers through 
Terminal.

Tia,
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Re: Voices in the rotor in High Sierra

2017-10-15 Thread John Panarese

  If you uncheck them, they still show up on the rotor?  I'll have to look at 
that.

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> On Oct 15, 2017, at 1:12 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately not these voices in High Sierra. Seems to be a bug. 
> 
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> 
> Am 15.10.2017 um 18:42 schrieb John Panarese  >:
> 
>>You can remove any voices from VoiceOver Utility by unchecking the boxes 
>> for the specific voice. Just choose, custom, as you would if you wanted to 
>> add voices. Once you do this, you won't see the voices in the rotor options.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
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>>> 
>>> Yes, I don't like that either. Let's hope Apple will change this quickly 
>>> and not in 10.14. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>>> 
 Am 15.10.2017 um 18:22 schrieb Andrew Lamanche >:

 Listers,

 I must say i dislike the way the new voice rotor works.  Up until Sierra, 
 if you needed more than one language to work with, you would customise the 
 rotor by adding languages and then you would be able to choose the 
 language you want on the fly by vo+command+arrow keys.  The issue in High 
 Sierra is not that one needs the addition of the shift key to work but 
 rather that I have some other languages in the rotor which I have not 
 chosen and I can’t get rid of them.  Those of you who use more than one 
 language, can you see the same behaviour?  Also, before High Sierra, when 
 you chose a different language, the previous one you had been using was 
 just the next in the list if you wanted to return to it, all you needed is 
 one press of the key combination for the voices menu. In High Sierra you 
 have to go back up the list if the voice you have chosen is the third or 
 fourth, because the previous voice remains where it always has been in the 
 list.  Could you test it for me?

 Many thanks

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Re: Voices in the rotor in High Sierra

Unfortunately not these voices in High Sierra. Seems to be a bug. 

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 15.10.2017 um 18:42 schrieb John Panarese :
> 
>You can remove any voices from VoiceOver Utility by unchecking the boxes 
> for the specific voice. Just choose, custom, as you would if you wanted to 
> add voices. Once you do this, you won't see the voices in the rotor options.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, I don't like that either. Let's hope Apple will change this quickly and 
>> not in 10.14. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>> 
>>> Am 15.10.2017 um 18:22 schrieb Andrew Lamanche :
>>> 
>>> Listers,
>>> 
>>> I must say i dislike the way the new voice rotor works.  Up until Sierra, 
>>> if you needed more than one language to work with, you would customise the 
>>> rotor by adding languages and then you would be able to choose the language 
>>> you want on the fly by vo+command+arrow keys.  The issue in High Sierra is 
>>> not that one needs the addition of the shift key to work but rather that I 
>>> have some other languages in the rotor which I have not chosen and I can’t 
>>> get rid of them.  Those of you who use more than one language, can you see 
>>> the same behaviour?  Also, before High Sierra, when you chose a different 
>>> language, the previous one you had been using was just the next in the list 
>>> if you wanted to return to it, all you needed is one press of the key 
>>> combination for the voices menu. In High Sierra you have to go back up the 
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Re: Voices in the rotor in High Sierra

2017-10-15 Thread John Panarese

   You can remove any voices from VoiceOver Utility by unchecking the boxes for 
the specific voice. Just choose, custom, as you would if you wanted to add 
voices. Once you do this, you won't see the voices in the rotor options.


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> On Oct 15, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Yes, I don't like that either. Let's hope Apple will change this quickly and 
> not in 10.14. 
> 
> 
> 
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> 
>> Am 15.10.2017 um 18:22 schrieb Andrew Lamanche :
>> 
>> Listers,
>> 
>> I must say i dislike the way the new voice rotor works.  Up until Sierra, if 
>> you needed more than one language to work with, you would customise the 
>> rotor by adding languages and then you would be able to choose the language 
>> you want on the fly by vo+command+arrow keys.  The issue in High Sierra is 
>> not that one needs the addition of the shift key to work but rather that I 
>> have some other languages in the rotor which I have not chosen and I can’t 
>> get rid of them.  Those of you who use more than one language, can you see 
>> the same behaviour?  Also, before High Sierra, when you chose a different 
>> language, the previous one you had been using was just the next in the list 
>> if you wanted to return to it, all you needed is one press of the key 
>> combination for the voices menu. In High Sierra you have to go back up the 
>> list if the voice you have chosen is the third or fourth, because the 
>> previous voice remains where it always has been in the list.  Could you test 
>> it for me?
>> 
>> Many thanks
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: Voices in the rotor in High Sierra

Yes, I don't like that either. Let's hope Apple will change this quickly and 
not in 10.14. 



Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 15.10.2017 um 18:22 schrieb Andrew Lamanche :
> 
> Listers,
> 
> I must say i dislike the way the new voice rotor works.  Up until Sierra, if 
> you needed more than one language to work with, you would customise the rotor 
> by adding languages and then you would be able to choose the language you 
> want on the fly by vo+command+arrow keys.  The issue in High Sierra is not 
> that one needs the addition of the shift key to work but rather that I have 
> some other languages in the rotor which I have not chosen and I can’t get rid 
> of them.  Those of you who use more than one language, can you see the same 
> behaviour?  Also, before High Sierra, when you chose a different language, 
> the previous one you had been using was just the next in the list if you 
> wanted to return to it, all you needed is one press of the key combination 
> for the voices menu. In High Sierra you have to go back up the list if the 
> voice you have chosen is the third or fourth, because the previous voice 
> remains where it always has been in the list.  Could you test it for me?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Andrew
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Voices in the rotor in High Sierra

2017-10-15 Thread Andrew Lamanche

Listers,

I must say i dislike the way the new voice rotor works.  Up until Sierra, if 
you needed more than one language to work with, you would customise the rotor 
by adding languages and then you would be able to choose the language you want 
on the fly by vo+command+arrow keys.  The issue in High Sierra is not that one 
needs the addition of the shift key to work but rather that I have some other 
languages in the rotor which I have not chosen and I can’t get rid of them.  
Those of you who use more than one language, can you see the same behaviour?  
Also, before High Sierra, when you chose a different language, the previous one 
you had been using was just the next in the list if you wanted to return to it, 
all you needed is one press of the key combination for the voices menu. In High 
Sierra you have to go back up the list if the voice you have chosen is the 
third or fourth, because the previous voice remains where it always has been in 
the list.  Could you test it for me?

Many thanks

Andrew

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Re: To update or not to update, that is the question!

2017-10-15 Thread Jonathan Cohn

Donna,

I have been thinking about your issues with navigation. Do you know if it is 
the application getting confused when you switch modes or is the map app just 
not finding you accurately.

The message "proceed to the route" generally occurs for me when I am in a 
parking lot or garage several yards away from a public road. So it generally 
should not occur if you start the maps app while stopped on the side of the 
road. I believe one of three things is happening:

1. Your clock is off or in some other way your GPS calculated position does not 
match where you actually are. Sometimes software updates include updated 
databases about the satellites that are used to track location.
2. The roads in your area became incorrectly located with the update. Using 
Google Maps or MapQuest app would probably resolve this issue and both apps are 
free.
3. When you pause live navigation to get a list of directions and then go back 
to live mode. The maps app gets confused by a sudden jump in location, (I have 
seen this happen with my public transportation applications). This could also 
be resolved by using a non apple navigation app.

One quick test would be to see if MAPS correctly identifies the address of your 
home. If it does then I expect it is very unlikely that issue 1 is part of your 
problem. 

Also, have you determined a pattern of when maps is getting confused? Either in 
a specific area or after you perform some actions?

How truly frustrating this must all be.
 Hang in there and I am sure things will get better. Though I do have to agree, 
except for the fact that Google makes most of its money by selling information 
about individuals to advertisers, I find their products very appealing in the 
variety and complexity of services.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

> On Oct 14, 2017, at 11:15 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> I have the seven, and I performed the update this morning. Seeing some 
> improvement in Maps. It’s better, but still not as good as it was under iOS 
> 10. However on our last outing, it did get us where we needed to go, which is 
> definitely an improvement.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 10:11 AM, Ramy Moustafa  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Wha tphone do you have?
>> 
>>> On 10/14/17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> Well, since it seems that I can’t roll back. I think that’s exactly what I’m
>>> going to do. :-)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 13, 2017, at 5:52 PM, Robert Cole 
 wrote:

 If it was me,
 I would update to see if it fixes your problems, and if that doesn’t help,
 Then reset the phone.

> On Oct 13, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Well, my Maps dilemma becomes more interesting. I didn’t remember doing
> any updating since the initial install of iOS 11, so decided to check and
> see what version I’m running I am in fact running version 11.0. According
> to what was posted last night, this means I can still roll back to
> version 10 if I want to. So, A new dilemma. Should I roll back to version
> 10, or update to version 03, and see if that fixes the trouble I’m
> having. Wheather related to maps or just in general I’d be curious to
> hear people’s thoughts on the subsequent updates to version 11. Did you
> notice any substantive changes?
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Re: Itunes goes nuts.

Hi,

Do you connect your iPad to any other computer?  What MacOS version and what 
iOS version on the iPad?  What model of iPad?

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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On Oct 15, 2017, at 09:44, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Ok, please what details do you need?
Thanks.
/A

> 13 okt. 2017 kl. 21:51 skrev Tim Kilburn :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You are correct Anders.  If your device has been associated with that 
> computer,, and if you haven't attempted to associate it with a different 
> computer, then that should not continually appear.  Not sure at this point 
> why it is for you, but I'd need more details before suggesting anything.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> 
> On Oct 13, 2017, at 09:56, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> But i have done that and still get the message.
> It shouldn’t come every time i plug it in?
> Or am i missing something?
> /A
> 
>> 13 okt. 2017 kl. 17:26 skrev christopher hallsworth 
>> :
>> 
>> hello, nothing wrong there, you must have a passcode on this device or the 
>> message should not come up in the first instance. Just unlock your iPad Mini 
>> 4 first before connecting to iTunes. 13 Oct 2017, at 16:17, Anders Holmberg 
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I have proglems with the latest Itunes.
>>> Evrytime i start it i get the message that it could not connect to my Ipad 
>>> device because its locked with a passcode.
>>> So i connect my ipad mini 4 and open it with a passcode.
>>> When i have synched my Ipad Mini 4 i close itunes and disconnects my Ipad 
>>> mini 4.
>>> I start itunes again and again this awful message comes up.
>>> What is going on.
>>> Its time for apple to leave itunes behind and create something better.
>>> /A
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Re: Itunes goes nuts.

2017-10-15 Thread Anders Holmberg

Hi!
Ok, please what details do you need?
Thanks.
/A

> 13 okt. 2017 kl. 21:51 skrev Tim Kilburn :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You are correct Anders.  If your device has been associated with that 
> computer,, and if you haven't attempted to associate it with a different 
> computer, then that should not continually appear.  Not sure at this point 
> why it is for you, but I'd need more details before suggesting anything.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 13, 2017, at 09:56, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> But i have done that and still get the message.
> It shouldn’t come every time i plug it in?
> Or am i missing something?
> /A
> 
>> 13 okt. 2017 kl. 17:26 skrev christopher hallsworth 
>> :
>> 
>> hello, nothing wrong there, you must have a passcode on this device or the 
>> message should not come up in the first instance. Just unlock your iPad Mini 
>> 4 first before connecting to iTunes. 13 Oct 2017, at 16:17, Anders Holmberg 
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I have proglems with the latest Itunes.
>>> Evrytime i start it i get the message that it could not connect to my Ipad 
>>> device because its locked with a passcode.
>>> So i connect my ipad mini 4 and open it with a passcode.
>>> When i have synched my Ipad Mini 4 i close itunes and disconnects my Ipad 
>>> mini 4.
>>> I start itunes again and again this awful message comes up.
>>> What is going on.
>>> Its time for apple to leave itunes behind and create something better.
>>> /A
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Auto-mount net drive on boot?

2017-10-15 Thread Jonathan Cohn

Alex,

If you have references around still for how to auto mount smb devices in El 
Capitan, I would appreciate a link. Currently my work machine gives an error 
every time I login about not being able to find a share. Currently I have been 
just ignoring it, but if a calendar alert comes up after this error then it 
gets a bit more difficult to get started with work. Hopefully this is something 
I can fix myself and don't need the IT department to play with my active 
directory entries.

Thanks for any references you have.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Oct 14, 2017, at 8:11 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> For quite a while now, I've kept my VO preferences on a DMG stored in my 
> iCloud Drive. This makes it very easy to use my prefs on beta drives or if I 
> switch Macs. The only problem is that I lose my prefs on boot until I mount 
> the DMG.
> 
> It's only a few steps (Finder, cmd-shift-i, type v o I to get to my disk, 
> cmd-o). Still, I'd like to automate this if I can, so the Mac mounts the disk 
> image on its own when it boots. I've had a look online, but the only thing I 
> found was about network drives or SMB shares, which I don't want. This is 
> just a locally stored DMG that I want to force to mount on boot. Any thoughts 
> or suggestions? Thanks.
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Re: terminal work

2017-10-15 Thread Jonathan Cohn

Ok the essence of this problem is that moving directories across volumes is not 
the same as moving directories within a volume.

If you move a directory and it stays on the same virtual disk, then all UNIX is 
doing is deleting one entry in a directory and adding that same entry into a 
different directory. 

If your move is actually across volumes then all the contents have to be copied 
and then the original deleted. The safest way to do this is using 
cp -R directory1 directory2 
*inspect results 
rm -R directory1 

I believe that there is a mv -R command also, but it will essentially be doing 
the two commands I listed above but with out the ability to return to a known 
state if for some reason part of the move failed.

The other comments about checking quotes are important also, though I believe 
the tab completion in bash will automatically add quotes if necessary. 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

> On Oct 14, 2017, at 6:50 PM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> so I’ve been trying to move files from one place to another with the 
> terminal.  I am screwing this up royally, so any help would be great.  Here’s 
> what I’ve been typing:
> 
> mv Volumes/Library Disk /Volumes/My Book/books
> 
> What am I doing wrong, please?  This is trying to move files from one 
> external drive to another via terminal..
> 
> Thanks!
> Cait
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Re: Hello all:

Simon,

Another way of getting around the volume thing is to reset the PRAM.  After it 
has been reset, the volume will be back to a level that will be heard by you.  
If it's a case of them muting things so that when you restart, you don't know 
when to hold down the special keys, I usually just shutdown or force shutdown 
the computer so that I'm in control of when it starts.

Finally, you could just fart in the face of everyone who keeps muting the sound 
so that it makes your life difficult.  They'll soon remember to be more 
considerate :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 15, 2017, at 02:22, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Tim,
 
I’ve never vbeen able to get the volume to change when in recovery and I’ve got 
a couple of work colleagues who wont stop muting the system alert.
 
So I might have to try it again with the shift key
 
 
 
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On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Sunday, 15 October 2017 3:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hello all:
 
Hi,
 
To add to Simon's comments, if you don't hear VO when in the Recovery 
partition, you can use VO-cmd-left or three times, then VO-cmd-up to raise the 
volume.  Don't know for sure if this rotor command has changed in the High 
Sierra version of the Recovery partition.  If so, then you'll need to add the 
shift key to the combination.
 
Later...
 
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
 
On Oct 14, 2017, at 02:59, Simon Fogarty > wrote:
 
Yes using command R at start up to get into the recovery console / utilities 
you can use vo 

Note though that you have to make sure you have the alert volume up 
So that means if someone has muted the start up tone on your machine then you 
wont hear the tones, you also wont hear the vo speech at the recovery utilities.

As for how this works on the new machines, I can't say as haven't got one to 
try, but I know on older machines it works fine as I do this for work all the 
time.



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
] On Behalf Of Oriol Gómez
Sent: Saturday, 14 October 2017 5:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Hello all:

do you know if the recovery artition is accessible (i.e. I can run voiceover in 
it?
it's command r upon boot right?

On 10/14/17, Oriol Gómez > 
wrote:

Hi
I will just make a time machine of my drive then reinstall...
I think it will be better hahahaha
thanks Tim

On 10/13/17, Tim Kilburn > wrote:

Hi,

This seems to depend on a number of factors.  Specifically, how many 
partitions do you have on this disk?  If only two, then your issue is 
indeed a problem.  If more than two, then I'll explain a few things 
that may help.

• Let's say, for argument's sake, that you have three partitions.
Macintosh
HD, HD-2 and HD-3.
• using Disk Utility or Terminal, you can determine the disk 
identifier for these volumes.
• For fun, I'll say that they came up as disk0s2, disk0s3 and disk0s4 
respectively.
• So, if you remove disk0s3, you can easily expand Macintosh HD 
(dis0s2) into the free space provided by the removal of disk0s3.
• But, f disk0s4 is the partition that was removed, then your 
frustrations begin.  Because disk0s4 is sequentially after disk0s3, 
you cannot combine
disk0s2 with disks4.  The reason for this is that disk0s3 is 
logically "in the way" of any expansion.
• Confirm the disk identifiers while in Disk Utility by selecting the 
partition from the table and the last item on the screen will display 
the disk identifier, such as disk3s3.
• In Terminal, use "distil list" to see all the disk info you'll ever 
need.
• This gets a little more complicated if you have a Fusion drive or 
or if things are formatted in the new APFS format.  Still possible, 
but some different arguments.

With all this said, if your partition map has it so that your free 
space is not directly connected to the Macintosh HD partition, then 
the only way you could manipulate things to your favour would be to 
backup or copy the data from the other partition to a totally 
different target, remove that partition, then expand the Macintosh HD 
into the free space and finally re-create a partition for this data 
to return to.  There are also methods within Terminal that can allow 
merging of partitions, but the same restrictions are applied with 
respect to identifier numbering.

I hope this makes some sort of sense.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 12, 2017, at 22:25, Oriol Gómez Sentís >
wrote:

Hello all:
I am trying to use disk utility to enlarge a partition. I

Re: terminal work

Hi,

Yes you can use the same method to make sure the destination or target path is 
correct.  Just be sure that there is a space between the source path and the 
target path.  Regarding the stuff after the Join button in my original 
response, most of that is immaterial so I didn't bother mentioning it.  The 
"Open Directory Utility" button is just before the Cancel button.  Once the 
Directory Utility app is open, you need to unlock the padlock and you can 
ignore most things in the window as you only need to enable the root user from 
within the Edit menu.

Hope you're getting somewhere with this.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 14, 2017, at 23:32, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:

Hi,
can I do this copy and paste deal with the destination as well?

I did try your other trick with the root account, but I got a bunch of stuff 
you didn’t mention, so got a little bogged down in all of it  For example, I 
couldn’t find where to edit things after I clicked on file analysis or whatever 
that is after you click join..

sorry, need more coffee..

Thanks!
Caitlyn


> On Oct 14, 2017, at 7:59 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> In addition to Alex's comments, you will encounter the same issues you had in 
> the GUI since the level of authority of the user performing the move action 
> is still you.  You may wish to use the "sudo" command in front of the "mv" 
> command.  Also, a trick you can use to ensure you have the correct path in 
> Terminal, is to locate the file in the Finder, then use cmd-c to Copy it.  
> When you paste it into Terminal, it will actually paste the path, not the 
> contents.  So, it might say something lie
> 
> sudo mv /volumes/HD-2/Library/My\ Books target_location
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 14, 2017, at 17:24, Alex Hall  > wrote:
> 
> First, I think you need quotes if you're going to use paths with spaces. Put 
> each path--origin and destination--in quotes and see if that helps.
> 
> Second, if you want to move all the files and folders in origin, use the -R 
> flag (note that the R is capitalized).
> 
> Third, you start with Volumes. Unless you've already changed your directory 
> to slash, this will look for a folder called Volumes in the location you're 
> in. You probably want /Volumes (slash before Volumes) instead.
> 
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>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 18:50, Caitlyn Furness > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> so I’ve been trying to move files from one place to another with the 
>> terminal.  I am screwing this up royally, so any help would be great.  
>> Here’s what I’ve been typing:
>> 
>> mv Volumes/Library Disk /Volumes/My Book/books
>> 
>> What am I doing wrong, please?  This is trying to move files from one 
>> external drive to another via terminal..
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Cait
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Re: Speech Rate

2017-10-15 Thread Saqib Hussain

Hi. Thanks. Is there a tutorial for all these new commands? It took me for ever 
to learn the Mac as I only ever turned on my machine twice per week and now the 
commands have changed. 

> On 15 Oct 2017, at 08:44, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hi. If you're trying to adjust speech rate on the Mac, the command to adjust 
> speech attributes has changed. Now in addition to pressing VO+Command, the 
> shift key has to be added. So to change speech rate, press 
> VO+Command+Shift+Right arrow to go to rate and then up and down arrows to 
> adjust it. HTH.
> 
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>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 7:35 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. How do I adjust the speech rate as I can no longer do this as the option 
>> isn’t in the roster and how do I stop VO from telling me that something is 
>> miss spelt? 
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Re: Twitter client on the Mac

2017-10-15 Thread Saqib Hussain

Hi. I have to tab to the reply option now. 

> On 14 Oct 2017, at 14:22, ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com wrote:
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> This has been a problem for a while at least with my mac.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
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> Hi. For some reason I can no longer reply to a tweet as the option is dimmed. 
> I cannot like a tweet either. Has anyone experienced this? 
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