Re: Apple TV 4k

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Catalina. Initially I had some trouble with getting the library 
going which is on an external drive because I did a clean install.


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On 4/10/2020 9:32 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

Corruption is a possibility.  What version of MacOS are you running again?

Later...


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On Apr 10, 2020, at 22:17, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


   A Harry Potter marathon and you are not watching them back to back 
with no breaks? That is not a marathon. Heh. Well the price was reduced 
so got them tonight.


   Ok I have, on more then one occasion, changed the status to watched 
and the next time I go look or perhaps after I used the ATV, status is 
changed back to unwatched.


   Wonder if one of the database files is corrupted in the iTunes media 
folder.


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On 4/10/2020 4:42 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
I'm not sure why it's doing this, nor can I confirm very easily right 
now.  We're in the middle of a Harry Potter marathon.  Just starting 
The Order of the Phoenix tonight and they're all purchased through 
iTunes.   I'll need to watch something else all the way through that 
is ripped and on my computer to confirm.  All that aside, I have some 
suggestions.   If you know that the title has been watched, go to your 
Mac, into iTunes, or the TV app, VO-shift-m on the title to bring up 
the Contextual menu, then select "Mark As Watched".  This will change 
it on your Apple TV as well.  I did some reading and, supposedly, this 
is possible on the Apple TV itself by long pressing the Select button, 
that's the trackpad thing on the Siri remote.  After long pressing, a 
menu is supposed to appear where you can choose to mark it as watched. 
  I couldn't make it work with VO though, and my wife and daughter are 
out right now so can't verify if that works without VO.  I did read 
from about five years ago people having this problem, but haven't 
found any similar posts lately.  You'd think that if it was happening 
five years ago that Apple would have fixed it by now.  Maybe not I guess.
Well, enough rambling.  Sorry for the long post without a real 
solution.   I'll let you know if I figure anything else out.

Later...
Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Apr 10, 2020, at 09:40, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> 
wrote:

  Still unable to resolve this. Would like input.
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   Latest tvOS and macOS. Watching movies and TV shows in the 
Computers app do not update the play count even though this option is 
checked in System prefs, Sharing category. Viewing history is also 
checked in the TV app on the Mac.
   When I choose the Unwatched list on the ATV, shows and movies I 
have already watched are still there. Is there another setting 
somewhere I need to look for?

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Re: Apple TV 4k

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Corruption is a possibility.  What version of MacOS are you running again?

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 10, 2020, at 22:17, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  A Harry Potter marathon and you are not watching them back to back with no 
breaks? That is not a marathon. Heh. Well the price was reduced so got them 
tonight.

  Ok I have, on more then one occasion, changed the status to watched and the 
next time I go look or perhaps after I used the ATV, status is changed back to 
unwatched.

  Wonder if one of the database files is corrupted in the iTunes media folder.

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On 4/10/2020 4:42 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm not sure why it's doing this, nor can I confirm very easily right now.  
> We're in the middle of a Harry Potter marathon.  Just starting The Order of 
> the Phoenix tonight and they're all purchased through iTunes.   I'll need to 
> watch something else all the way through that is ripped and on my computer to 
> confirm.  All that aside, I have some suggestions.   If you know that the 
> title has been watched, go to your Mac, into iTunes, or the TV app, 
> VO-shift-m on the title to bring up the Contextual menu, then select "Mark As 
> Watched".  This will change it on your Apple TV as well.  I did some reading 
> and, supposedly, this is possible on the Apple TV itself by long pressing the 
> Select button, that's the trackpad thing on the Siri remote.  After long 
> pressing, a menu is supposed to appear where you can choose to mark it as 
> watched.   I couldn't make it work with VO though, and my wife and daughter 
> are out right now so can't verify if that works without VO.  I did read from 
> about five years ago people having this problem, but haven't found any 
> similar posts lately.  You'd think that if it was happening five years ago 
> that Apple would have fixed it by now.  Maybe not I guess.
> Well, enough rambling.  Sorry for the long post without a real solution.   
> I'll let you know if I figure anything else out.
> Later...
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Apr 10, 2020, at 09:40, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>  >> wrote:
>   Still unable to resolve this. Would like input.
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>>Latest tvOS and macOS. Watching movies and TV shows in the Computers app 
>> do not update the play count even though this option is checked in System 
>> prefs, Sharing category. Viewing history is also checked in the TV app on 
>> the Mac.
>>When I choose the Unwatched list on the ATV, shows and movies I have 
>> already watched are still there. Is there another setting somewhere I need 
>> to look for?
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Re: Apple TV 4k

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   A Harry Potter marathon and you are not watching them back to back 
with no breaks? That is not a marathon. Heh. Well the price was reduced 
so got them tonight.


   Ok I have, on more then one occasion, changed the status to watched 
and the next time I go look or perhaps after I used the ATV, status is 
changed back to unwatched.


   Wonder if one of the database files is corrupted in the iTunes media 
folder.


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Hi,

I'm not sure why it's doing this, nor can I confirm very easily right 
now.  We're in the middle of a Harry Potter marathon.  Just starting The 
Order of the Phoenix tonight and they're all purchased through iTunes. 
  I'll need to watch something else all the way through that is ripped 
and on my computer to confirm.  All that aside, I have some suggestions. 
  If you know that the title has been watched, go to your Mac, into 
iTunes, or the TV app, VO-shift-m on the title to bring up the 
Contextual menu, then select "Mark As Watched".  This will change it on 
your Apple TV as well.  I did some reading and, supposedly, this is 
possible on the Apple TV itself by long pressing the Select button, 
that's the trackpad thing on the Siri remote.  After long pressing, a 
menu is supposed to appear where you can choose to mark it as watched. 
  I couldn't make it work with VO though, and my wife and daughter are 
out right now so can't verify if that works without VO.  I did read from 
about five years ago people having this problem, but haven't found any 
similar posts lately.  You'd think that if it was happening five years 
ago that Apple would have fixed it by now.  Maybe not I guess.


Well, enough rambling.  Sorry for the long post without a real solution. 
  I'll let you know if I figure anything else out.


Later...


Tim Kilburn
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Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 10, 2020, at 09:40, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


   Still unable to resolve this. Would like input.

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   Latest tvOS and macOS. Watching movies and TV shows in the 
Computers app do not update the play count even though this option is 
checked in System prefs, Sharing category. Viewing history is also 
checked in the TV app on the Mac.
   When I choose the Unwatched list on the ATV, shows and movies I 
have already watched are still there. Is there another setting 
somewhere I need to look for?

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Re: Networking my printer, can I go through my Mac?

[Eric Caron]

Hi Tim and others,

Success, My sighted helper was a bit more agreeable and took her time.  
We googled the Brother printer and setting up wifi.  They don’t seem to make 
this very easy.  She found a source that talked her through the layers on the 
touch screen and she was finally able to enter the wifi password. 

After that all devices found the printer and printed easily. 

I didn’t need to really do anything else. 

I did update my software on my Mac but I don’t think that had anything to do 
with it.  I also downloaded the brother printer app on my phone.  It may be 
useful to me but I don’t think it was needed to make the printer available as 
other devices found it without the app. 

I sure wish these devices had talking menus or at lease an app or computer 
access that let us do all the functions from an accessible place. 

Still, the tips here got me headed in the right direction and I was able to 
quickly move past my attempt and into the next place to try. 

I’m very appreciative of the info here. 

And, a bonus is I should be able to use the printer from my other Mac.

Thanks folks.

Eric Caron 




> On Apr 10, 2020, at 4:50 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> Is your printer AirPrint capable?  If no, then you won't be able to see it 
> with your iOS/iPadOS devices.  The sharing method I outlined should work fine 
> for other Macs, but will not make a non-AirPrint ready printer sharable to 
> iOS/iPadOS.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 10, 2020, at 08:17, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> I have a Brother HL2700DW Multi-function Printer/Scanner, and my experiences 
> are pretty much the same as Janina’s.
> My wife is sighted, so we were able to use the touchpad to connect the 
> printer wirelessly to our network.  I am able to access the printer from all 
> computers, (both Mac and Windows)  on the network.  I can also print from my 
> iPhone and iPad.
> My wife handles the scanning wirelessly from her iMac using the Brother 
> iPrint and Scan application, and says she has no problem saving a scanned 
> file on her computer.
> I recently upgraded my wife’s iMac to Catalina, and installed the 64-bit 
> version of the Brother iPrint and Scan software on her Mac, and my wife 
> commented that she is now able to scan in color, which was not the case with 
> the earlier version. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 10, 2020, at 04:07, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, Eric:
> 
> Especially if you have a wired ethernet port on your Brother printer,
> you can happily share it across all your networked devices. This is
> exactly what I do with mine, currently an HL2395DW.
> 
> Use Safari to access the relevant resources on support.brother.com 
> . You
> will likely need to install drivers that support your specific model.
> 
> I also use the mac address of my printer's ethernet port to dynamically
> assign it the same IP address on every boot which allows me to add the
> machine a globally accessible domain name.
> 
> Note that this also supports wifi access as you probably are providing
> wifi via your router.
> 
> I have found things work pretty much as expected. The exception for me
> is the scan function as mine is a multi-function device. I can scan from
> my Mac, but I can't seem to save the results of my scan into a file.
> That's annoying, but I get around it by using the corresponding Brother
> application on my Android phone, Iprint and Scan, where scanning and
> saving works as expected.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Eric Caron writes:
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>>  My brother laser printer could be networked through my router but I 
>> would need to access the non accessible touch pad.  My sighted partner gets 
>> very frustrated with technical things so I can’t rely on a patient helper to 
>> figure it out. 
>> 
>>  I currently have the printer connected  through usb to my Mac.  That is 
>> fine but I’d like to be able to have other devices such as phones, iPads, 
>> and another Mac be able to print from the printer. 
>> 
>> Is there a way to have the printer show up for these devices by sharing it 
>> somehow through my Mac? 
>> 
>> Any tips appreciated.
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
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Re: Apple TV 4k

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I'm not sure why it's doing this, nor can I confirm very easily right now.  
We're in the middle of a Harry Potter marathon.  Just starting The Order of the 
Phoenix tonight and they're all purchased through iTunes.  I'll need to watch 
something else all the way through that is ripped and on my computer to 
confirm.  All that aside, I have some suggestions.  If you know that the title 
has been watched, go to your Mac, into iTunes, or the TV app, VO-shift-m on the 
title to bring up the Contextual menu, then select "Mark As Watched".  This 
will change it on your Apple TV as well.  I did some reading and, supposedly, 
this is possible on the Apple TV itself by long pressing the Select button, 
that's the trackpad thing on the Siri remote.  After long pressing, a menu is 
supposed to appear where you can choose to mark it as watched.  I couldn't make 
it work with VO though, and my wife and daughter are out right now so can't 
verify if that works without VO.  I did read from about five years ago people 
having this problem, but haven't found any similar posts lately.  You'd think 
that if it was happening five years ago that Apple would have fixed it by now.  
Maybe not I guess.

Well, enough rambling.  Sorry for the long post without a real solution.  I'll 
let you know if I figure anything else out.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 10, 2020, at 09:40, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  Still unable to resolve this. Would like input.

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>Latest tvOS and macOS. Watching movies and TV shows in the Computers app 
> do not update the play count even though this option is checked in System 
> prefs, Sharing category. Viewing history is also checked in the TV app on the 
> Mac.
>When I choose the Unwatched list on the ATV, shows and movies I have 
> already watched are still there. Is there another setting somewhere I need to 
> look for?
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Re: IOS delete a contacts group

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I don't believe that there is a specific method by which you can delete the 
group on the iPhone.  I'm not even sure how you would create a contact group on 
the iPhone.  So, basically, to get rid of it, I believe that you'll need to get 
it migrated to your iCloud contacts so that you can use your Mac to delete it.  
So, to accomplish this, I'd do the following:

• go to Settings, Your Name, iCloud, then uncheck the box beside Contacts.

This should bring up a dialog where it asks if you want to download your 
contacts to the iPhone or just leave them in iCloud.

• I suggest you leave them in iCloud and have them removed from your iPhone.

This should then only have that group and/or any other locally stored contacts 
on the iPhone, and all your important ones will be up in iCloud.  You can 
confirm by going to your Mac and checking what contacts are there.

• now, back out of iCloud all the way to the top level of Settings, then get to 
the Home screen.

• wait a few minutes.  While waiting, check that all the contacts on your Mac 
are the way you want them.

The waiting process is meant to ensure that everything has time to be removed 
from the iPhone.

• go back into Settings, Your Name, iCloud and check the box for Contacts.

If everything is right in the world, and the stars are aligned, it should ask 
if you wish to merge the contacts currently on your iPhone with those in 
iCloud.  Your answer would be affirmative.  This would, therefore, add any 
currently local contacts and contact groups to your iCloud contact database.  
Give it a few minutes, then go to your Mac and see if the offending group is 
present within the Contacts app on your Mac.  If yes, delete it.

This should do the trick.  Note that I use the word "should".  That's my catch 
word so that if it doesn't work, I can still save face.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 10, 2020, at 15:56, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:

What have you tried so far? I only have individual contacts on my phone so not 
sure on how to delete an entire group. 
More info?
Thanks,

> On 11/04/2020, at 04:11, Paul Hopewell  > wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I am running IOS 13.4.1 on my iPhone 8. My correct contacts and associated 
> groups are in iCloud and shared with my iMac. However I also have a now 
> obsolete group local to my iPhone which contains incorrect data. How can I 
> get rid of this group?
> Many thanks for any tips … Paul Hopewell
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Re: Microsoft word on the Mac.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hello David.

I did actually have problems using the word application on the Mac yesterday as 
I was trying to update my CV. I was also trying to use the Braille display with 
it but I found that voice-over was not always tracking what the speech said I E 
I don’t know if there is a braill e cursor, a bit like jaws, as sometimes when 
I tried to get to the end of the line the focus was somewhere else. I found 
that very annoying. In the end, I had to use text edit. I also had to use 
Windows to make sure that the document was okay.

> On 9 Apr 2020, at 2:55 pm, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Kawal,
> I still have some issues with MS-Word on the Mac, and wonder if you can share 
> some of the adjustments you made to help?
> 
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Re: IOS delete a contacts group

[Petrus Tuerlings]

What have you tried so far? I only have individual contacts on my phone so not 
sure on how to delete an entire group. 
More info?
Thanks,

> On 11/04/2020, at 04:11, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> Hello,
> I am running IOS 13.4.1 on my iPhone 8. My correct contacts and associated 
> groups are in iCloud and shared with my iMac. However I also have a now 
> obsolete group local to my iPhone which contains incorrect data. How can I 
> get rid of this group?
> Many thanks for any tips … Paul Hopewell
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Re: Converting a USB flatbed scanner to a Wireless Scanner

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Adding to Janina's excellent, yet disappointing note.  Besides Epson's 
proprietary software, I doubt that a 15 year old machine would accept the 
wireless communication through the router.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
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On Apr 10, 2020, at 03:17, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Dave:

I believe you're going to be disappointed on this one. It's not a matter
of a hardware device or dongle. It's a matter of software device
drivers, and Epson is very proprietary about their's.

I'm expecting to pick up a flatbed scanner sometime in the coming
months, and I will be looking to deploy it via my router for access from
any device on my network, but I will not be looking at Epson products
for that functionality.

Best,

Janina

Dave Carlson writes:
> Seeing some discussion about Netgear and networks, brings up something I’ve 
> wanted to do.
> 
> I have an Epson GT2500 Flatbed scanner that’s about 15 years old, and only 
> has a USB connection to a computer. So it’s connected to my studio 
> workstation. I’d like to access this scanner from my Mac and my wife’s Mac. 
> All our computers access our home network on our Apple AirPort Extreme 
> router. 
> 
> So my question is: What device or dongle do I need so that I plug my scanner 
> USB wire into it, and then it is now a device on my network that can be used 
> by any of the computers? It needs to have a USB A port on it and needs to 
> connect to our home network wirelessly.
> 
> 
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Re: Networking my printer, can I go through my Mac?

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Hi Eric,

Is your printer AirPrint capable?  If no, then you won't be able to see it with 
your iOS/iPadOS devices.  The sharing method I outlined should work fine for 
other Macs, but will not make a non-AirPrint ready printer sharable to 
iOS/iPadOS.

Later...


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On Apr 10, 2020, at 08:17, Brad Snyder  wrote:

I have a Brother HL2700DW Multi-function Printer/Scanner, and my experiences 
are pretty much the same as Janina’s.
My wife is sighted, so we were able to use the touchpad to connect the printer 
wirelessly to our network.  I am able to access the printer from all computers, 
(both Mac and Windows)  on the network.  I can also print from my iPhone and 
iPad.
My wife handles the scanning wirelessly from her iMac using the Brother iPrint 
and Scan application, and says she has no problem saving a scanned file on her 
computer.
I recently upgraded my wife’s iMac to Catalina, and installed the 64-bit 
version of the Brother iPrint and Scan software on her Mac, and my wife 
commented that she is now able to scan in color, which was not the case with 
the earlier version. 

- Brad -




On Apr 10, 2020, at 04:07, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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Hi, Eric:

Especially if you have a wired ethernet port on your Brother printer,
you can happily share it across all your networked devices. This is
exactly what I do with mine, currently an HL2395DW.

Use Safari to access the relevant resources on support.brother.com 
. You
will likely need to install drivers that support your specific model.

I also use the mac address of my printer's ethernet port to dynamically
assign it the same IP address on every boot which allows me to add the
machine a globally accessible domain name.

Note that this also supports wifi access as you probably are providing
wifi via your router.

I have found things work pretty much as expected. The exception for me
is the scan function as mine is a multi-function device. I can scan from
my Mac, but I can't seem to save the results of my scan into a file.
That's annoying, but I get around it by using the corresponding Brother
application on my Android phone, Iprint and Scan, where scanning and
saving works as expected.

Best,

Janina

Eric Caron writes:
> Hi folks,
> 
>   My brother laser printer could be networked through my router but I 
> would need to access the non accessible touch pad.  My sighted partner gets 
> very frustrated with technical things so I can’t rely on a patient helper to 
> figure it out. 
> 
>   I currently have the printer connected  through usb to my Mac.  That is 
> fine but I’d like to be able to have other devices such as phones, iPads, and 
> another Mac be able to print from the printer. 
> 
> Is there a way to have the printer show up for these devices by sharing it 
> somehow through my Mac? 
> 
> Any tips appreciated.
> 
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Re: Ios 13.4.1

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Andrew,

Yes, you certainly have occasion to be frustrated.  One thing to note, Apple 
Accessibility is simply a support line.  They are not the developers, nor do 
they have a direct line to the developer team.  They can, though, escalate 
items easier than you or I, so I do understand your frustration.  I will pass 
your concern on to an Apple SE or two to see if they can direct it to the 
relevant team members to see if it can be addressed sooner rather than later.  
Regarding how easy the problem is to fix, I can't be sure other than to say 
that it's often easier from the outside than it is from the inside when it 
comes to lengthy and complicated code.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 10, 2020, at 04:28, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I think frustration sometimes makes us speak to generally.  My ongoing 
complaint about Apple’s accessibility indifference to an issue I’ve been 
reporting for over 4 years is their ignoring thus far the Greek voice bug where 
the Greek voice, be it native to Apple or infovox ivox instead of reading text 
properly, spells it out, which renders it useless.  I think 4 years is a very 
long time and I am having to keep one of my macs on Sierra in order to be able 
to work and enjoy the greek speech.  This is really beginning to irritate me.  
I have been beta testing as well and have been reporting this problem for over 
4 years as well ever since High Sierra.  I have recently been on the phone to 
Apple Accessibility begging them to fix this.  I don’t think it is very hard to 
correct this problem and yet they haven’t.  The latest Catalina beta has 
retained this bug too.  Every time there’s a new release of beta for testing, I 
send a bug report and it’s beginning to feel like a joke.  I don’t quite know 
what to do because one day I will have to give up my Sierra running laptop 
either because it fails or when the OS becomes unsupported.  So hence I’m 
playing around with Windows again very very reluctantly.

Best wishes

Andrew
> On 9 Apr 2020, at 21:31, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> What specifically has given you the impression that Apple is not focusing on 
> accessibility?
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> 
> On Apr 9, 2020, at 14:29, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> I’m getting fed up with Apple non-responsiveness to accessibility issues & 
> have begun the process of going back to Windows. & Jaws.  I’m so disappointed.
>> On 8 Apr 2020, at 08:16, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
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>> Hi!
>> I just updated to iOS 13.4.1.
>> SO far i haven’t notice any bugfixes for Vo.
>> /A
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Re: Ios 13.4.1

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Not to mention the cost of the technology.  The money I’ve spent & keep on 
spending on it would cover a mortgage payments for a modest house.  So yes, I’m 
fed up I can’t use the Greek voice  after 4 years of reporting the bug.  & yes, 
I’ve paid for Windows10 so that I can have a Greek voice that reads text 
correctly in case Apple’s decided Greek speakers outside Greece don’t have to 
be supported.  I’m privileged though to have work & income but if I hadn’t?  
God help me then.

Andrew
> On 10 Apr 2020, at 19:01, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Sometimes when I am having a discussion with an individual who   uses the  
> make a single AP work  in a single way dictionary I ask them a question.
> Do you  often change your eyes or  hands
> or ears each time you visit  the store  instead of the bank, instead of the 
> movies?
> When the answer is of course no, I ask then why  would you expect  someone 
> who reads or writes or interacts  differently to change the equal of their 
> body  in such a fashion?
> Its unrealistic, impractical, and counterproductive to the concept of 
> inclusion.  Of course you should  be able to choose the operating system you 
> wish and get the job done.
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 10 Apr 2020, joseph hodge wrote:
> 
>> I find that I use screen readers and treat them as they are all tools in the 
>> toolbox the more I know the better off I’ll be. However this being said it’s 
>> so maddening win one aspect to an application or website just doesn’t work 
>> on one operating system and then I throw it on something else it doesn’t 
>> work and then I go to the third option and it works fine. I was playing with 
>> an app yesterday that works the best on Chromebook who would’ve guessed? It 
>> just sucks that I have to pick and choose the operating systems to get the 
>> best results for that particular application why can’t I just use the 
>> application the way I like on any operating system I like?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 9, 2020, at 10:17 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jason,
>>> You  raise an issue that frankly baffles me.
>>> why is it not possible for  an  individual to choose a single operating 
>>> system and   have their needs met from an accessibility standpoint?
>>> why  is it an acceptable situation to need   multiple devices in various 
>>> systems to complete tasks.
>>> It certainly was not always  the case.
>>> I can respect having a laptop or desktop and also a phone or tablet, but 
>>> those  should work in harmony with each other if that makes sense. and the 
>>> accessibility should be consistent on those devices regardless of program 
>>> being used.
>>> I have no idea where the concept of creating a single program to manage a 
>>> single task   then  incorporating accessibility in came from, perhaps the 
>>> windows arena.
>>> Still as someone pointed out earlier in this thread Google believes that 
>>> controlling punctuation  should not be something a user can do  on the 
>>> Android platform.  Yet text to speech is not a screen reader,  with google 
>>> failing to understand  this a major concern.
>>> as you note, most of the individuals meeting with accessibility will not 
>>> have  the technological ability to figure things out..so will simply 
>>> believe  access is an impossibility in  general.
>>> However such complacency about what access is expected to do in part 
>>> started with the population benefiting from that access, not demanding that 
>>>  a screen reader tool work uniformly across the board much the way in 
>>> theory the physical functions  the adaptive tool enhances work in the human 
>>> body.
>>> Kare
>>> Who frankly wonders on average how many machines an individual using 
>>> adaptive technology  owns?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thu, 9 Apr 2020, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 
 I haven’t updated to iOS 13.4.1 yet, but I plan to do it soon. Based on 
 what I’ve read, I don’t expect any changes that will affect me or other 
 VoiceOver users significantly.
 
 
 
 Every modern operating system has accessibility bugs, unfortunately. 
 That’s why I sometimes have to switch operating systems just to get work 
 done. For example, I’ve switched from Windows to Mac to complete a task in 
 the last week or two due to accessibility issues on the Windows  side. 
 Fortunately, the laptop with Windows installed and the MacBook Pro are on 
 the same desk, so it’s really easy to move from one to the other. Of 
 course, I really shouldn’t have to move between two computers just to do 
 my work properly, but that’s how it is at the moment. This isn’t the place 
 to discuss application and screen reader crashes on Windows, or 
 accessibility regressions there either, or having to switch between 
 Windows screen readers to work around bugs. In my experience, the Mac has 
 had its share of accessibility problems as well, and I’ve been using it 
 

Re: How do I move a HomePod to a different room in my house in the home app?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks again for the help, Tim. I was skipping the step to edit the home, and 
going straight to opening the controls of the device. Once I started by editing 
the home the change stuck.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 10, 2020, at 1:39 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> i just tested this and it stuck for me.  I did the following:
> 
> • open the Home app on iPhone.
> • Double-tap the Edit button.
> • Double-tap the HomePod.
> • Swipe to find the room that it's assigned to, just after the name field.  
> Double-tap on this button.
> • Swipe to locate the picker and flick up/down until you find the desired 
> room.
> • Swipe left to the Close button and double-tap it.
> • Double-tap on the Done button.
> 
> That should do it.  If this is what you've been doing, then you're app is 
> being stupid.  Restart the device and restart the HomePod or HomePods to see 
> if they behave better after the restart.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 10, 2020, at 10:39, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> I’m having a problem with one of my Sonos speakers that I am hoping to fix by 
> moving one of my HomePods to a different room. Long story. Anyway, when I go 
> into the Home app and change the room that the HomePod is assigned to, the 
> change doesn’t stick. What am I doing wrong? There is no Dunn or save button. 
> My only options seem to be reset HomePod or close. Do I have to reset the 
> HomePod just to move it to a new room? Thanks for any help.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: How do I move a HomePod to a different room in my house in the home app?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

i just tested this and it stuck for me.  I did the following:

• open the Home app on iPhone.
• Double-tap the Edit button.
• Double-tap the HomePod.
• Swipe to find the room that it's assigned to, just after the name field.  
Double-tap on this button.
• Swipe to locate the picker and flick up/down until you find the desired room.
• Swipe left to the Close button and double-tap it.
• Double-tap on the Done button.

That should do it.  If this is what you've been doing, then you're app is being 
stupid.  Restart the device and restart the HomePod or HomePods to see if they 
behave better after the restart.

HTH.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 10, 2020, at 10:39, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi all,

I’m having a problem with one of my Sonos speakers that I am hoping to fix by 
moving one of my HomePods to a different room. Long story. Anyway, when I go 
into the Home app and change the room that the HomePod is assigned to, the 
change doesn’t stick. What am I doing wrong? There is no Dunn or save button. 
My only options seem to be reset HomePod or close. Do I have to reset the 
HomePod just to move it to a new room? Thanks for any help.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: Ios 13.4.1

[Karen Lewellen]

Sometimes when I am having a discussion with an individual who   uses 
the  make a single AP work  in a single way dictionary I ask them a 
question.

Do you  often change your eyes or  hands
 or ears each time you visit  the store  instead of the bank, instead of 
the movies?
When the answer is of course no, I ask then why  would you expect  someone 
who reads or writes or interacts  differently to change the equal of their 
body  in such a fashion?
 Its unrealistic, impractical, and counterproductive to the concept of 
inclusion.  Of course you should  be able to choose the operating system 
you wish and get the job done.

Kare



On Fri, 10 Apr 2020, joseph hodge wrote:


I find that I use screen readers and treat them as they are all tools in the 
toolbox the more I know the better off I’ll be. However this being said it’s so 
maddening win one aspect to an application or website just doesn’t work on one 
operating system and then I throw it on something else it doesn’t work and then 
I go to the third option and it works fine. I was playing with an app yesterday 
that works the best on Chromebook who would’ve guessed? It just sucks that I 
have to pick and choose the operating systems to get the best results for that 
particular application why can’t I just use the application the way I like on 
any operating system I like?

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 9, 2020, at 10:17 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Jason,
You  raise an issue that frankly baffles me.
why is it not possible for  an  individual to choose a single operating system 
and   have their needs met from an accessibility standpoint?
why  is it an acceptable situation to need   multiple devices in various 
systems to complete tasks.
It certainly was not always  the case.
I can respect having a laptop or desktop and also a phone or tablet, but those  
should work in harmony with each other if that makes sense. and the 
accessibility should be consistent on those devices regardless of program being 
used.
I have no idea where the concept of creating a single program to manage a 
single task   then  incorporating accessibility in came from, perhaps the 
windows arena.
Still as someone pointed out earlier in this thread Google believes that 
controlling punctuation  should not be something a user can do  on the Android 
platform.  Yet text to speech is not a screen reader,  with google failing to 
understand  this a major concern.
as you note, most of the individuals meeting with accessibility will not have  
the technological ability to figure things out..so will simply believe  access 
is an impossibility in  general.
However such complacency about what access is expected to do in part started 
with the population benefiting from that access, not demanding that  a screen 
reader tool work uniformly across the board much the way in theory the physical 
functions  the adaptive tool enhances work in the human body.
Kare
Who frankly wonders on average how many machines an individual using adaptive 
technology  owns?




On Thu, 9 Apr 2020, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I haven’t updated to iOS 13.4.1 yet, but I plan to do it soon. Based on what 
I’ve read, I don’t expect any changes that will affect me or other VoiceOver 
users significantly.



Every modern operating system has accessibility bugs, unfortunately. That’s why 
I sometimes have to switch operating systems just to get work done. For 
example, I’ve switched from Windows to Mac to complete a task in the last week 
or two due to accessibility issues on the Windows  side. Fortunately, the 
laptop with Windows installed and the MacBook Pro are on the same desk, so it’s 
really easy to move from one to the other. Of course, I really shouldn’t have 
to move between two computers just to do my work properly, but that’s how it is 
at the moment. This isn’t the place to discuss application and screen reader 
crashes on Windows, or accessibility regressions there either, or having to 
switch between Windows screen readers to work around bugs. In my experience, 
the Mac has had its share of accessibility problems as well, and I’ve been 
using it since 2014. Some applications are more accessible under Windows than 
under Mac OS, and vice versa.



I have Windows 10, Mac OS, Linux and iOS here, so I believe I can make fair 
comparisons. As it stands, I think the practical advice is to have multiple 
operating systems available and to switch between them, as the task requires, 
to work around accessibility problems. I should be able to choose two operating 
systems – one for a laptop/desktop and the other for mobile, and use those 
exclusively, but I don’t envisage that being effective from an accessibility 
perspective for me within the short term or even the medium term. It just isn’t 
workable, given the quality problems across multiple platforms. iOS is adequate 
for my mobile needs, but the desktop/laptop situation is more complex – and 
that’s where I’m doing most of the work, and 

How do I move a HomePod to a different room in my house in the home app?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

I’m having a problem with one of my Sonos speakers that I am hoping to fix by 
moving one of my HomePods to a different room. Long story. Anyway, when I go 
into the Home app and change the room that the HomePod is assigned to, the 
change doesn’t stick. What am I doing wrong? There is no Dunn or save button. 
My only options seem to be reset HomePod or close. Do I have to reset the 
HomePod just to move it to a new room? Thanks for any help.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Apple Magic Trackpad 2

[Brad Snyder]

Some devices display their battery level in the menu extras area on my Mac, and 
some devices don't.
My apple Magic Trackpad and both pairs of my AirPods display the battery level. 
My Bose headphones do not.

- Brad -

On Apr 10, 2020, at 11:05, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

For my my bluetooth headphones, battery level is listed in the sub-menu of the 
device in my menu extras area. 
Jonathan


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>> The new version is a bit smaller and thinner and lighter. More plastic. One 
>> major improvement is the built in rechargable battery, which can be charged 
>> with a lightning cable.
>> Concerning functionality its the same.
>> hth,
>> Ronald
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IOS delete a contacts group

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello,
I am running IOS 13.4.1 on my iPhone 8. My correct contacts and associated 
groups are in iCloud and shared with my iMac. However I also have a now 
obsolete group local to my iPhone which contains incorrect data. How can I get 
rid of this group?
Many thanks for any tips … Paul Hopewell

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Re: Apple Magic Trackpad 2

[Jonathan Cohn]

For my my bluetooth headphones, battery level is listed in the sub-menu of the 
device in my menu extras area. 
Jonathan


> On Apr 10, 2020, at 11:04 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   Does the Mac have ability to check battery status of connected Bluetooth 
> peripherals as iOS does?
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> in the past. What if it were true?
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> On 4/10/2020 2:36 AM, Ronald van Rhijn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> The new version is a bit smaller and thinner and lighter. More plastic. One 
>> major improvement is the built in rechargable battery, which can be charged 
>> with a lightning cable.
>> Concerning functionality its the same.
>> hth,
>> Ronald
>>> Op 9 apr. 2020, om 21:08 heeft 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  het volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>>   I currently have the previous model. Does the 2 offer any advantages over 
>>> the older model?
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Re: Apple TV 4k

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Still unable to resolve this. Would like input.

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On 4/7/2020 10:13 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
    Latest tvOS and macOS. Watching movies and TV shows in the Computers 
app do not update the play count even though this option is checked in 
System prefs, Sharing category. Viewing history is also checked in the 
TV app on the Mac.


    When I choose the Unwatched list on the ATV, shows and movies I have 
already watched are still there. Is there another setting somewhere I 
need to look for?


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Operating system accessibility (was RE: Ios 13.4.1)

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

The short answer in my view is that, in general, the people who develop screen 
readers, support for accessibility within operating systems, and support for 
accessibility in at least some applications are hard-working, knowledgeable, 
and strive to get it right. Unfortunately, whether they work for multinational 
corporations or for small organizations, they tend to be under-resourced. Too 
many software developers writing applications and application components don't 
know how to implement accessibility support well - or don't give it sufficient 
priority.
The result is that there are too many bugs and rough edges, and this won't 
change until there are stronger policies in place requiring higher quality, as 
well as more software developers working on accessibility issues effectively.
I don't think for a moment that this situation is acceptable. I think it's a 
policy issue, not a technical one, ultimately.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 10:17 PM
To: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Ios 13.4.1

Jason,
You  raise an issue that frankly baffles me.
why is it not possible for  an  individual to choose a single operating 
system and   have their needs met from an accessibility standpoint?
why  is it an acceptable situation to need   multiple devices in various 
systems to complete tasks.
It certainly was not always  the case.
I can respect having a laptop or desktop and also a phone or tablet, but those  
should work in harmony with each other if that makes sense. and the 
accessibility should be consistent on those devices regardless of program being 
used.
I have no idea where the concept of creating a single program to manage a 
single task   then  incorporating accessibility in came from, perhaps the 
windows arena.
Still as someone pointed out earlier in this thread Google believes that 
controlling punctuation  should not be something a user can do  on the Android 
platform.  Yet text to speech is not a screen reader,  with google failing to 
understand  this a major concern.
as you note, most of the individuals meeting with accessibility will not have  
the technological ability to figure things out..so will simply believe  access 
is an impossibility in  general.
However such complacency about what access is expected to do in part started 
with the population benefiting from that access, not demanding that  a screen 
reader tool work uniformly across the board much the way in theory the physical 
functions  the adaptive tool enhances work in the human body.
Kare
Who frankly wonders on average how many machines an individual using adaptive 
technology  owns?



On Thu, 9 Apr 2020, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> I haven’t updated to iOS 13.4.1 yet, but I plan to do it soon. Based on 
> what I’ve read, I don’t expect any changes that will affect me or other 
> VoiceOver users significantly.
>
>
>
> Every modern operating system has accessibility bugs, unfortunately. That’s 
> why I sometimes have to switch operating systems just to get work done. For 
> example, I’ve switched from Windows to Mac to complete a task in the last 
> week or two due to accessibility issues on the Windows  side. Fortunately, 
> the laptop with Windows installed and the MacBook Pro are on the same desk, 
> so it’s really easy to move from one to the other. Of course, I really 
> shouldn’t have to move between two computers just to do my work properly, 
> but that’s how it is at the moment. This isn’t the place to discuss 
> application and screen reader crashes on Windows, or accessibility 
> regressions there either, or having to switch between Windows screen readers 
> to work around bugs. In my experience, the Mac has had its share of 
> accessibility problems as well, and I’ve been using it since 2014. Some 
> applications are more accessible under Windows than under Mac OS, and vice 
> versa.
>
>
>
> I have Windows 10, Mac OS, Linux and iOS here, so I believe I can make 
> fair comparisons. As it stands, I think the practical advice is to 
> have multiple operating systems available and to switch between them, 
> as the task requires, to work around accessibility problems. I should 
> be able to choose two operating systems – one for a laptop/desktop 
> and the other for mobile, and use those exclusively, but I don’t 
> envisage that being effective from an accessibility perspective for me 
> within the short term or even the medium term. It just isn’t 
> workable, given the quality problems across multiple platforms. iOS is 
> adequate for my mobile needs, but the desktop/laptop situation is more 
> complex – and that’s where I’m doing most of the work, and 
> therefore where I notice the problems more. Everyone’s situation is 
> different, of course, and, as usual, the people with less technical 
> knowledge will be
>
> The most disadvantaged when they run into 

Re: Apple Magic Trackpad 2

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Interesting, and I wonder how one could switch between iDevices and Mac.

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On 4/10/2020 6:45 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

Hello ET,
There was a long article in tidbits.com this week discussing trackpad usage 
with the latest IOS and iPads. I believe you need the newer trackpad if you 
want to use it with the iPad. Not sure of if that would be useful to us, but 
interesting none the less.



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Re: Apple Magic Trackpad 2

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   Does the Mac have ability to check battery status of connected 
Bluetooth peripherals as iOS does?


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On 4/10/2020 2:36 AM, Ronald van Rhijn wrote:

Hi,

The new version is a bit smaller and thinner and lighter. More plastic. One 
major improvement is the built in rechargable battery, which can be charged 
with a lightning cable.
Concerning functionality its the same.

hth,
Ronald


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Re: Networking my printer, can I go through my Mac?

[Brad Snyder]

I have a Brother HL2700DW Multi-function Printer/Scanner, and my experiences 
are pretty much the same as Janina’s.
My wife is sighted, so we were able to use the touchpad to connect the printer 
wirelessly to our network.  I am able to access the printer from all computers, 
(both Mac and Windows)  on the network.  I can also print from my iPhone and 
iPad.
My wife handles the scanning wirelessly from her iMac using the Brother iPrint 
and Scan application, and says she has no problem saving a scanned file on her 
computer.
I recently upgraded my wife’s iMac to Catalina, and installed the 64-bit 
version of the Brother iPrint and Scan software on her Mac, and my wife 
commented that she is now able to scan in color, which was not the case with 
the earlier version. 

- Brad -




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Hi, Eric:

Especially if you have a wired ethernet port on your Brother printer,
you can happily share it across all your networked devices. This is
exactly what I do with mine, currently an HL2395DW.

Use Safari to access the relevant resources on support.brother.com. You
will likely need to install drivers that support your specific model.

I also use the mac address of my printer's ethernet port to dynamically
assign it the same IP address on every boot which allows me to add the
machine a globally accessible domain name.

Note that this also supports wifi access as you probably are providing
wifi via your router.

I have found things work pretty much as expected. The exception for me
is the scan function as mine is a multi-function device. I can scan from
my Mac, but I can't seem to save the results of my scan into a file.
That's annoying, but I get around it by using the corresponding Brother
application on my Android phone, Iprint and Scan, where scanning and
saving works as expected.

Best,

Janina

Eric Caron writes:
> Hi folks,
> 
>   My brother laser printer could be networked through my router but I 
> would need to access the non accessible touch pad.  My sighted partner gets 
> very frustrated with technical things so I can’t rely on a patient helper to 
> figure it out. 
> 
>   I currently have the printer connected  through usb to my Mac.  That is 
> fine but I’d like to be able to have other devices such as phones, iPads, and 
> another Mac be able to print from the printer. 
> 
> Is there a way to have the printer show up for these devices by sharing it 
> somehow through my Mac? 
> 
> Any tips appreciated.
> 
> Eric Caron 
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Re: Apple Magic Trackpad 2

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello ET,
There was a long article in tidbits.com this week discussing trackpad usage 
with the latest IOS and iPads. I believe you need the newer trackpad if you 
want to use it with the iPad. Not sure of if that would be useful to us, but 
interesting none the less.


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Re: Microsoft word on the Mac.

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Hello Maurice,

Have you tried working with tables in a Word document on the mac side?  It used 
to be impossible so I was wondering whether you had any experience of tables in 
Word on the mac.  Another word processing app on the Mac, Nisus Writer, was 
very promising but for the tables again.  It seems to be one of those features 
whose implementation with accessibility in mind has always been a problem.

Andrew
> On 9 Apr 2020, at 22:14, maurice mines  wrote:
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> Hello, I use Microsoft Word for the Mac practically on a daily basis. The 
> ways that I’ve made it work for me, is by first going to that ribbon. I stop 
> interacting with it then I get to the point where it will show me the text 
> that’s currently in the document. I interact with that and I’m able to read 
> the document. At least that’s a whole lot better than Microsoft Word to the 
> max started out back in 2016. Back then it wasn’t usable for very much other 
> than you could create a document but you had to leave it in draft mode. 
> Today’s version at least is usable and all of its modes.
> 
> When I talk about my experience with Microsoft Word to the math I want to be 
> clear that it is the version that is actually on the local machine. Not the 
> web version of Microsoft Word which I believe still is virtually 
> inaccessible. And when I deal with documents that I  create an word on the 
> Mac and read them in the version of the same program and Windows live had 
> very few compatibility issues.
> 
> For extremely short Word documents, such as the signature file or something 
> of that nature. I can even use TextEdit or doubt in terms of reading it. I’m 
> going to include my signature file which actually is a Word document just as 
> an example. Please note however my signature file is not an endorsement or 
> discrediting my position which the file mentions. I did not write the actual 
> text of the file. But in order to make it work for me I converted the 
> document that was originally in HTML format into a Word document for use as 
> an email signature. In addition I use word for the Mac for most of not all of 
> my academic work that requires the use of Microsoft Word. And ideas it 
> depending on how long the document is for meeting assignments. Yes I think 
> there could be many improvements to the Mac product but it is at least 
> functional right now and can be used easily.
> 
> So here’s the file. Remember this is just for an example. Of a Word document. 
> Although I did not write this document, I am responsible for its layout since 
> I had to make a few adjustments. Thank you very much in advance for reading 
> this. Everyone stay safe and if possible stay where you are. Have other nice 
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> there’s something that you truly don’t understand please contact me and I 
> will do my very best to clear up any misunderstandings.
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> 
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>> On Apr 9, 2020, at 13:24, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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>> How is the issue of accessibility of Tables in Word on mac?  That used to be 
>> a major stumbling block as it has been on all the other ones on the Mac 
>> platforms apart from Pages.
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 7 Apr 2020, at 21:43, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>>> Just had a play with Microsoft word on the Mac and that is better also.  So 
>>> if anyone wants a go then do it.  I wonder why Apple don’t slag off 
>>> Microsoft anymore, I remember that they always did at their events.
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Re: Ios 13.4.1

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

I think frustration sometimes makes us speak to generally.  My ongoing 
complaint about Apple’s accessibility indifference to an issue I’ve been 
reporting for over 4 years is their ignoring thus far the Greek voice bug where 
the Greek voice, be it native to Apple or infovox ivox instead of reading text 
properly, spells it out, which renders it useless.  I think 4 years is a very 
long time and I am having to keep one of my macs on Sierra in order to be able 
to work and enjoy the greek speech.  This is really beginning to irritate me.  
I have been beta testing as well and have been reporting this problem for over 
4 years as well ever since High Sierra.  I have recently been on the phone to 
Apple Accessibility begging them to fix this.  I don’t think it is very hard to 
correct this problem and yet they haven’t.  The latest Catalina beta has 
retained this bug too.  Every time there’s a new release of beta for testing, I 
send a bug report and it’s beginning to feel like a joke.  I don’t quite know 
what to do because one day I will have to give up my Sierra running laptop 
either because it fails or when the OS becomes unsupported.  So hence I’m 
playing around with Windows again very very reluctantly.

Best wishes

Andrew
> On 9 Apr 2020, at 21:31, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> What specifically has given you the impression that Apple is not focusing on 
> accessibility?
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
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> On Apr 9, 2020, at 14:29, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> I’m getting fed up with Apple non-responsiveness to accessibility issues & 
> have begun the process of going back to Windows. & Jaws.  I’m so disappointed.
>> On 8 Apr 2020, at 08:16, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
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>> Hi!
>> I just updated to iOS 13.4.1.
>> SO far i haven’t notice any bugfixes for Vo.
>> /A
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Re: Apple Magic Trackpad 2

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Hi,

The new version is a bit smaller and thinner and lighter. More plastic. One 
major improvement is the built in rechargable battery, which can be charged 
with a lightning cable.
Concerning functionality its the same.

hth,
Ronald

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Re: Converting a USB flatbed scanner to a Wireless Scanner

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Dave:

I believe you're going to be disappointed on this one. It's not a matter
of a hardware device or dongle. It's a matter of software device
drivers, and Epson is very proprietary about their's.

I'm expecting to pick up a flatbed scanner sometime in the coming
months, and I will be looking to deploy it via my router for access from
any device on my network, but I will not be looking at Epson products
for that functionality.

Best,

Janina

Dave Carlson writes:
> Seeing some discussion about Netgear and networks, brings up something I’ve 
> wanted to do.
> 
> I have an Epson GT2500 Flatbed scanner that’s about 15 years old, and only 
> has a USB connection to a computer. So it’s connected to my studio 
> workstation. I’d like to access this scanner from my Mac and my wife’s Mac. 
> All our computers access our home network on our Apple AirPort Extreme 
> router. 
> 
> So my question is: What device or dongle do I need so that I plug my scanner 
> USB wire into it, and then it is now a device on my network that can be used 
> by any of the computers? It needs to have a USB A port on it and needs to 
> connect to our home network wirelessly.
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Re: Networking my printer, can I go through my Mac?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Tim is right about how things are supposed to work. Unfortunately, for
whatever reason, Brother wants you to do things there way.

You get the same result in the end. It's just setup that's different.

Best,

Janina

Eric Caron writes:
> Hi Tim,
> 
>   Hoping for a few more tips.
> 
> I followed the directions and went to System prefs and selected printers and 
> I checked the share check box. 
> 
> But when we go to the print button on a iOS device under print it says select 
> printer but nothing shows up. 
> 
> Any next steps?
> 
> I did restart both the computer, printer, and iOS Device.
> 
> Eric 
> 
> 
> > On Apr 9, 2020, at 3:09 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Definitely.  Go to System Preferences, Printers & Scanners, select the 
> > printer, then V-right to the "share this Printer" checkbox and check it.  
> > Basically, that's all you need to do although you can go into the Options & 
> > Supplies section if you wish to modify its name.  As long as your computer 
> > is turned on an connected to that network, others will be able to print to 
> > it through your Mac.
> > 
> > Later...
> > 
> > 
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Jamf Certified Tech
> > Apple Teacher
> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > 
> > On Apr 9, 2020, at 12:40, Eric Caron  > > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > My brother laser printer could be networked through my router but I 
> > would need to access the non accessible touch pad.  My sighted partner gets 
> > very frustrated with technical things so I can’t rely on a patient helper 
> > to figure it out. 
> > 
> > I currently have the printer connected  through usb to my Mac.  That is 
> > fine but I’d like to be able to have other devices such as phones, iPads, 
> > and another Mac be able to print from the printer. 
> > 
> > Is there a way to have the printer show up for these devices by sharing it 
> > somehow through my Mac? 
> > 
> > Any tips appreciated.
> > 
> > Eric Caron 
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Re: Networking my printer, can I go through my Mac?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Eric:

Especially if you have a wired ethernet port on your Brother printer,
you can happily share it across all your networked devices. This is
exactly what I do with mine, currently an HL2395DW.

Use Safari to access the relevant resources on support.brother.com. You
will likely need to install drivers that support your specific model.

I also use the mac address of my printer's ethernet port to dynamically
assign it the same IP address on every boot which allows me to add the
machine a globally accessible domain name.

Note that this also supports wifi access as you probably are providing
wifi via your router.

I have found things work pretty much as expected. The exception for me
is the scan function as mine is a multi-function device. I can scan from
my Mac, but I can't seem to save the results of my scan into a file.
That's annoying, but I get around it by using the corresponding Brother
application on my Android phone, Iprint and Scan, where scanning and
saving works as expected.

Best,

Janina

Eric Caron writes:
> Hi folks,
> 
>   My brother laser printer could be networked through my router but I 
> would need to access the non accessible touch pad.  My sighted partner gets 
> very frustrated with technical things so I can’t rely on a patient helper to 
> figure it out. 
> 
>   I currently have the printer connected  through usb to my Mac.  That is 
> fine but I’d like to be able to have other devices such as phones, iPads, and 
> another Mac be able to print from the printer. 
> 
> Is there a way to have the printer show up for these devices by sharing it 
> somehow through my Mac? 
> 
> Any tips appreciated.
> 
> Eric Caron 
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Re: Ios 13.4.1

[joseph hodge]

I find that I use screen readers and treat them as they are all tools in the 
toolbox the more I know the better off I’ll be. However this being said it’s so 
maddening win one aspect to an application or website just doesn’t work on one 
operating system and then I throw it on something else it doesn’t work and then 
I go to the third option and it works fine. I was playing with an app yesterday 
that works the best on Chromebook who would’ve guessed? It just sucks that I 
have to pick and choose the operating systems to get the best results for that 
particular application why can’t I just use the application the way I like on 
any operating system I like? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 9, 2020, at 10:17 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Jason,
> You  raise an issue that frankly baffles me.
> why is it not possible for  an  individual to choose a single operating 
> system and   have their needs met from an accessibility standpoint?
> why  is it an acceptable situation to need   multiple devices in various 
> systems to complete tasks.
> It certainly was not always  the case.
> I can respect having a laptop or desktop and also a phone or tablet, but 
> those  should work in harmony with each other if that makes sense. and the 
> accessibility should be consistent on those devices regardless of program 
> being used.
> I have no idea where the concept of creating a single program to manage a 
> single task   then  incorporating accessibility in came from, perhaps the 
> windows arena.
> Still as someone pointed out earlier in this thread Google believes that 
> controlling punctuation  should not be something a user can do  on the 
> Android platform.  Yet text to speech is not a screen reader,  with google 
> failing to understand  this a major concern.
> as you note, most of the individuals meeting with accessibility will not have 
>  the technological ability to figure things out..so will simply believe  
> access is an impossibility in  general.
> However such complacency about what access is expected to do in part started 
> with the population benefiting from that access, not demanding that  a screen 
> reader tool work uniformly across the board much the way in theory the 
> physical functions  the adaptive tool enhances work in the human body.
> Kare
> Who frankly wonders on average how many machines an individual using adaptive 
> technology  owns?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, 9 Apr 2020, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>> I haven’t updated to iOS 13.4.1 yet, but I plan to do it soon. Based on what 
>> I’ve read, I don’t expect any changes that will affect me or other VoiceOver 
>> users significantly.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Every modern operating system has accessibility bugs, unfortunately. That’s 
>> why I sometimes have to switch operating systems just to get work done. For 
>> example, I’ve switched from Windows to Mac to complete a task in the last 
>> week or two due to accessibility issues on the Windows  side. Fortunately, 
>> the laptop with Windows installed and the MacBook Pro are on the same desk, 
>> so it’s really easy to move from one to the other. Of course, I really 
>> shouldn’t have to move between two computers just to do my work properly, 
>> but that’s how it is at the moment. This isn’t the place to discuss 
>> application and screen reader crashes on Windows, or accessibility 
>> regressions there either, or having to switch between Windows screen readers 
>> to work around bugs. In my experience, the Mac has had its share of 
>> accessibility problems as well, and I’ve been using it since 2014. Some 
>> applications are more accessible under Windows than under Mac OS, and vice 
>> versa.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have Windows 10, Mac OS, Linux and iOS here, so I believe I can make fair 
>> comparisons. As it stands, I think the practical advice is to have multiple 
>> operating systems available and to switch between them, as the task 
>> requires, to work around accessibility problems. I should be able to choose 
>> two operating systems – one for a laptop/desktop and the other for mobile, 
>> and use those exclusively, but I don’t envisage that being effective from an 
>> accessibility perspective for me within the short term or even the medium 
>> term. It just isn’t workable, given the quality problems across multiple 
>> platforms. iOS is adequate for my mobile needs, but the desktop/laptop 
>> situation is more complex – and that’s where I’m doing most of the work, and 
>> therefore where I notice the problems more. Everyone’s situation is 
>> different, of course, and, as usual, the people with less technical 
>> knowledge will be
>> 
>> The most disadvantaged when they run into accessibility problems – on 
>> whichever platform they’re using. It’s the same everywhere.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Macvisionaries  on behalf of joseph 
>> hodge
>> 
>> 
>> Reply-To: Macvisionaries 
>> Date: Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 16:38
>> To: Macvisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: Ios 13.4.1
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>