Re: signature in mail question

[Raymond Foret Jr]

Nope.  Ain’t used any of that.  Sorry.


> On May 26, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Hey barefoot Ray, I see from your signature that you use Verizon Wireless. On 
> a completely unrelated note have you ever used any of the hotspot devices 
> like the jet pack or the Orvick speed hotspot devices? Just a longshot but I 
> thought I’d ask. I’m trying to find out about their accessibility and 
> useability for the blind.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On May 26, 2022, at 11:01 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You’ll need to use the old fashioned drag & drop method.  That is,
>> 
>> • select the All Signatures from the Signatures table.
>> • stop interacting with the All Signatures table, then navigate to the Names 
>> table and interact with it.
>> • navigate to the signature you wish to use.
>> • press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO cursor.
>> • turn off Cursor Tracking with VO-shift-f3.
>> • start the drag action by invoking mouse-down with VO-cmd-shift-space.
>> • stop interacting with the Names table and navigate over to the All 
>> Signatures table.
>> • interact with it and navigate to the desired account.
>> • press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO Cursor.
>> •start the drop action by invoking the mouse-up action with 
>> VO-cmd-shift-space.
>> • turn Cursor Tracking back on with VO-shift-f3.
>> 
>> That should do it.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On May 26, 2022, at 03:55, Raymond Foret Jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there.
>>> 
>>> I had to recreate my e-mail account due to pass word issues and now can’t 
>>> seem to drag accessibly my signatures from the all signatures table to the 
>>> actual account I want.  help?
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: signature in mail question

[Phil Halton]

Hey barefoot Ray, I see from your signature that you use Verizon Wireless. On a 
completely unrelated note have you ever used any of the hotspot devices like 
the jet pack or the Orvick speed hotspot devices? Just a longshot but I thought 
I’d ask. I’m trying to find out about their accessibility and useability for 
the blind.

Sent from my IPhone


> On May 26, 2022, at 11:01 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You’ll need to use the old fashioned drag & drop method.  That is,
> 
> • select the All Signatures from the Signatures table.
> • stop interacting with the All Signatures table, then navigate to the Names 
> table and interact with it.
> • navigate to the signature you wish to use.
> • press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO cursor.
> • turn off Cursor Tracking with VO-shift-f3.
> • start the drag action by invoking mouse-down with VO-cmd-shift-space.
> • stop interacting with the Names table and navigate over to the All 
> Signatures table.
> • interact with it and navigate to the desired account.
> • press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO Cursor.
> •start the drop action by invoking the mouse-up action with 
> VO-cmd-shift-space.
> • turn Cursor Tracking back on with VO-shift-f3.
> 
> That should do it.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On May 26, 2022, at 03:55, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there.
>> 
>> I had to recreate my e-mail account due to pass word issues and now can’t 
>> seem to drag accessibly my signatures from the all signatures table to the 
>> actual account I want.  help?
>> 
>> 
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Re: signature in mail question

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

You’ll need to use the old fashioned drag & drop method.  That is,

• select the All Signatures from the Signatures table.
• stop interacting with the All Signatures table, then navigate to the Names 
table and interact with it.
• navigate to the signature you wish to use.
• press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO cursor.
• turn off Cursor Tracking with VO-shift-f3.
• start the drag action by invoking mouse-down with VO-cmd-shift-space.
• stop interacting with the Names table and navigate over to the All Signatures 
table.
• interact with it and navigate to the desired account.
• press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO Cursor.
•start the drop action by invoking the mouse-up action with VO-cmd-shift-space.
• turn Cursor Tracking back on with VO-shift-f3.

That should do it.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On May 26, 2022, at 03:55, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Hi there.
> 
> I had to recreate my e-mail account due to pass word issues and now can’t 
> seem to drag accessibly my signatures from the all signatures table to the 
> actual account I want.  help?
> 
> 
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Re: signature in mail question

[Raymond Foret Jr]

Unfortunately, I seem to have forgotten how to do it. I did turn cursor 
tracking off, but, nothing I tried there after worked.


I may have to re-create the account again anyway. The need for a password to 
login to the SMTP side keeps turning off. And so Comcast keeps rejecting my 
attempts to send email. I’m going to add SMTP, but, somehow, the way enter a 
password and check that as the means of authentication, it does not seem to 
help. Either my Mac is just getting too old, or my memory is on how to set this 
up correctly. Sho Should I do it through Mail? Or use Internet accounts?





Also, I have had to delete my iCloud account from my Mac because somehow, every 
time I go to try to create just the mail account, Internet accounts keeps 
telling me that the account already exists when I know that it doesn’t because 
I had to delete it. Sorry for all the jumbled and confusion, but, that’s just 
how things are for me right now. 

Sincerely:
The constantly barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mack Verizon wireless iPhone and Apple TV user

Sent from my iPhone:
The first ever cellular phone equipped with Full accessibility for the blind 
built him!

> On May 26, 2022, at 8:35 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>    Can you do it using the old style drag and drop? You need to turn off 
> cursor tracking first, but it works here.
> 
> 
>> On May 26, 2022, at 5:55 AM, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there.
>> 
>> I had to recreate my e-mail account due to pass word issues and now can’t 
>> seem to drag accessibly my signatures from the all signatures table to the 
>> actual account I want.  help?
>> 
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Re: signature in mail question

[John Panarese]

   Can you do it using the old style drag and drop? You need to turn off cursor 
tracking first, but it works here.


> On May 26, 2022, at 5:55 AM, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Hi there.
> 
> I had to recreate my e-mail account due to pass word issues and now can’t 
> seem to drag accessibly my signatures from the all signatures table to the 
> actual account I want.  help?
> 
> 
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signature in mail question

[Raymond Foret Jr]

Hi there.I had to recreate my e-mail account due to pass word issues and now can’t seem to drag accessibly my signatures from the all signatures table to the actual account I want.  help?



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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,
I was going to suggest using a voiceOver search or the item chooser to find any 
collapsed item in the mailbox list, but I can't get this to work on my system 
running MacOS 12.2. Anybody out there running MacOS 12.1 who can test?

1. press VO-J until in the Mailbox list.
2. press VO-I tobring up item chooser.
3. type cloud 

When I did this, I expected to find my iCloud folder, but only found messages.
Strange.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jan 27, 2022, at 02:02, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I have another Apple mail question. I have 2 email accounts, gmail and 
> iCloud. once in awhile I want to go and dig an email out of the trash or at 
> least look at it. I can find the trash for gmail but not for iCloud. pressing 
> right arrow to expand the trash doesn't seem to do any good. where is the 
> iCloud trash? this is in Monterey.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 11:43 PM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, it sounds like your student has Column View enabled, and you do not.
>> Actually, I much prefer Column View, but that is an individual choice.
>> 
>> Column View can be enabled/disabled by going to the Menu Bar > View, and 
>> pressing the Down Arrow until you get to Column View.  Now press the Enter 
>> key to either select (check) or deselect (uncheck) as you prefer.
>> 
>> As Herbie stated, make sure that your student has QuickNav turned off, or 
>> uses the VO modifier when navigating, after interacting with the Mailbox 
>> contents table.
>> Note:  With QuickNav turned off, the Mailbox contents table may be navigated 
>> without interacting with the table.  The same is true for the Mailbox list.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 23:17, Herbie Allen > <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is 
>> off, then she should be able to go through the mail list without interacting.
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen >> <mailto:thistleshamrock2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. When 
>>> she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets this 
>>> table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads the 
>>> subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember how I 
>>> set it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. Any 
>>> advice would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Holly
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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Lorie McCloud]

I only have 2 gmail folders but I'm having trouble understanding this layout. 
I'll fiddle around with it some more.

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> It will be towards the bottom after all your Gmail folders. Might help to to 
> hav them collapsed.
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 14:03, Lorie McCloud > <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think I've ever seen that folder. guess I'll have to look around 
>> some more.
>> 
>>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 8:20 AM, Herbie Allen >> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> In your list of mailboxes. In mine at least, I have to go down past the 
>>> sink issues folder.
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 01:02, Lorie McCloud >>> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have another Apple mail question. I have 2 email accounts, gmail and 
>>>> iCloud. once in awhile I want to go and dig an email out of the trash or 
>>>> at least look at it. I can find the trash for gmail but not for iCloud. 
>>>> pressing right arrow to expand the trash doesn't seem to do any good. 
>>>> where is the iCloud trash? this is in Monterey.
>>>> 
>>>> thanks.
>>>> Lorie
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 11:43 PM, Brad Snyder >>>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, it sounds like your student has Column View enabled, and you do not.
>>>>> Actually, I much prefer Column View, but that is an individual choice.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Column View can be enabled/disabled by going to the Menu Bar > View, and 
>>>>> pressing the Down Arrow until you get to Column View.  Now press the 
>>>>> Enter key to either select (check) or deselect (uncheck) as you prefer.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As Herbie stated, make sure that your student has QuickNav turned off, or 
>>>>> uses the VO modifier when navigating, after interacting with the Mailbox 
>>>>> contents table.
>>>>> Note:  With QuickNav turned off, the Mailbox contents table may be 
>>>>> navigated without interacting with the table.  The same is true for the 
>>>>> Mailbox list.
>>>>> 
>>>>> HTH.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 23:17, Herbie Allen >>>> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is 
>>>>> off, then she should be able to go through the mail list without 
>>>>> interacting.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen >>>>> <mailto:thistleshamrock2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. 
>>>>>> When she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets 
>>>>>> this table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads 
>>>>>> the subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember 
>>>>>> how I set it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big 
>>>>>> Sir. Any advice would be appreciated.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Holly
>>>>>> 
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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Herbie Allen]

It will be towards the bottom after all your Gmail folders. Might help to to 
hav them collapsed.

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 14:03, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I don't think I've ever seen that folder. guess I'll have to look around some 
> more.
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 8:20 AM, Herbie Allen > <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> In your list of mailboxes. In mine at least, I have to go down past the sink 
>> issues folder.
>> 
>>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 01:02, Lorie McCloud >> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have another Apple mail question. I have 2 email accounts, gmail and 
>>> iCloud. once in awhile I want to go and dig an email out of the trash or at 
>>> least look at it. I can find the trash for gmail but not for iCloud. 
>>> pressing right arrow to expand the trash doesn't seem to do any good. where 
>>> is the iCloud trash? this is in Monterey.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 11:43 PM, Brad Snyder >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, it sounds like your student has Column View enabled, and you do not.
>>>> Actually, I much prefer Column View, but that is an individual choice.
>>>> 
>>>> Column View can be enabled/disabled by going to the Menu Bar > View, and 
>>>> pressing the Down Arrow until you get to Column View.  Now press the Enter 
>>>> key to either select (check) or deselect (uncheck) as you prefer.
>>>> 
>>>> As Herbie stated, make sure that your student has QuickNav turned off, or 
>>>> uses the VO modifier when navigating, after interacting with the Mailbox 
>>>> contents table.
>>>> Note:  With QuickNav turned off, the Mailbox contents table may be 
>>>> navigated without interacting with the table.  The same is true for the 
>>>> Mailbox list.
>>>> 
>>>> HTH.
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 23:17, Herbie Allen >>> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is 
>>>> off, then she should be able to go through the mail list without 
>>>> interacting.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen >>>> <mailto:thistleshamrock2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. 
>>>>> When she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets 
>>>>> this table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads 
>>>>> the subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember 
>>>>> how I set it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. 
>>>>> Any advice would be appreciated.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Holly
>>>>> 
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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Lorie McCloud]

I don't think I've ever seen that folder. guess I'll have to look around some 
more.

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 8:20 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> In your list of mailboxes. In mine at least, I have to go down past the sink 
> issues folder.
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 01:02, Lorie McCloud > <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have another Apple mail question. I have 2 email accounts, gmail and 
>> iCloud. once in awhile I want to go and dig an email out of the trash or at 
>> least look at it. I can find the trash for gmail but not for iCloud. 
>> pressing right arrow to expand the trash doesn't seem to do any good. where 
>> is the iCloud trash? this is in Monterey.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 11:43 PM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, it sounds like your student has Column View enabled, and you do not.
>>> Actually, I much prefer Column View, but that is an individual choice.
>>> 
>>> Column View can be enabled/disabled by going to the Menu Bar > View, and 
>>> pressing the Down Arrow until you get to Column View.  Now press the Enter 
>>> key to either select (check) or deselect (uncheck) as you prefer.
>>> 
>>> As Herbie stated, make sure that your student has QuickNav turned off, or 
>>> uses the VO modifier when navigating, after interacting with the Mailbox 
>>> contents table.
>>> Note:  With QuickNav turned off, the Mailbox contents table may be 
>>> navigated without interacting with the table.  The same is true for the 
>>> Mailbox list.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 23:17, Herbie Allen >> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is 
>>> off, then she should be able to go through the mail list without 
>>> interacting.
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen >>> <mailto:thistleshamrock2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. When 
>>>> she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets this 
>>>> table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads the 
>>>> subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember how I 
>>>> set it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. Any 
>>>> advice would be appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>> Holly
>>>> 
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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Herbie Allen]

In your list of mailboxes. In mine at least, I have to go down past the sink 
issues folder.

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 01:02, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I have another Apple mail question. I have 2 email accounts, gmail and 
> iCloud. once in awhile I want to go and dig an email out of the trash or at 
> least look at it. I can find the trash for gmail but not for iCloud. pressing 
> right arrow to expand the trash doesn't seem to do any good. where is the 
> iCloud trash? this is in Monterey.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 11:43 PM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, it sounds like your student has Column View enabled, and you do not.
>> Actually, I much prefer Column View, but that is an individual choice.
>> 
>> Column View can be enabled/disabled by going to the Menu Bar > View, and 
>> pressing the Down Arrow until you get to Column View.  Now press the Enter 
>> key to either select (check) or deselect (uncheck) as you prefer.
>> 
>> As Herbie stated, make sure that your student has QuickNav turned off, or 
>> uses the VO modifier when navigating, after interacting with the Mailbox 
>> contents table.
>> Note:  With QuickNav turned off, the Mailbox contents table may be navigated 
>> without interacting with the table.  The same is true for the Mailbox list.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 23:17, Herbie Allen > <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is 
>> off, then she should be able to go through the mail list without interacting.
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen >> <mailto:thistleshamrock2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. When 
>>> she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets this 
>>> table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads the 
>>> subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember how I 
>>> set it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. Any 
>>> advice would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Holly
>>> 
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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Brad Snyder]

I don’t use iCloud mail, but I have several other mail accounts enabled, so the 
following should work the same when iCloud mail is one of the enabled accounts, 
assuming you are using the stock Apple Mail app on your Mac:

When you are in the Mailbox List table, make sure you interact with the table, 
so you can navigate to the group headings.
You should be able to find the heading for Favorites, and you can press VO + 
Spacebar to either expand or collapse the group.
Once expanded, you should be able to locate the All Trash item.
Once the All Trash item has been located, you can once again use VO + Spacebar, 
to expand the item, and this should reveal the individual Trash boxes for each 
account you have enabled.

Alternatively, you should be able to navigate to the heading for each of your 
enabled mail accounts, and then use VO + Spacebar, to make sure that account is 
expanded.
Now, you should be able to navigate and locate the Trash box for each of your 
enabled mail accounts in your Apple Mail app.

HTH.

- Brad -




On Jan 27, 2022, at 01:02, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I have another Apple mail question. I have 2 email accounts, gmail and iCloud. 
once in awhile I want to go and dig an email out of the trash or at least look 
at it. I can find the trash for gmail but not for iCloud. pressing right arrow 
to expand the trash doesn't seem to do any good. where is the iCloud trash? 
this is in Monterey.

thanks.
Lorie

> On Jan 26, 2022, at 11:43 PM, Brad Snyder  <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> 
> Yes, it sounds like your student has Column View enabled, and you do not.
> Actually, I much prefer Column View, but that is an individual choice.
> 
> Column View can be enabled/disabled by going to the Menu Bar > View, and 
> pressing the Down Arrow until you get to Column View.  Now press the Enter 
> key to either select (check) or deselect (uncheck) as you prefer.
> 
> As Herbie stated, make sure that your student has QuickNav turned off, or 
> uses the VO modifier when navigating, after interacting with the Mailbox 
> contents table.
> Note:  With QuickNav turned off, the Mailbox contents table may be navigated 
> without interacting with the table.  The same is true for the Mailbox list.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 26, 2022, at 23:17, Herbie Allen  <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is 
> off, then she should be able to go through the mail list without interacting.
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen > <mailto:thistleshamrock2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. When 
>> she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets this 
>> table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads the 
>> subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember how I 
>> set it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. Any 
>> advice would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Holly
>> 
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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Lorie McCloud]

I have another Apple mail question. I have 2 email accounts, gmail and iCloud. 
once in awhile I want to go and dig an email out of the trash or at least look 
at it. I can find the trash for gmail but not for iCloud. pressing right arrow 
to expand the trash doesn't seem to do any good. where is the iCloud trash? 
this is in Monterey.

thanks.
Lorie

> On Jan 26, 2022, at 11:43 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Yes, it sounds like your student has Column View enabled, and you do not.
> Actually, I much prefer Column View, but that is an individual choice.
> 
> Column View can be enabled/disabled by going to the Menu Bar > View, and 
> pressing the Down Arrow until you get to Column View.  Now press the Enter 
> key to either select (check) or deselect (uncheck) as you prefer.
> 
> As Herbie stated, make sure that your student has QuickNav turned off, or 
> uses the VO modifier when navigating, after interacting with the Mailbox 
> contents table.
> Note:  With QuickNav turned off, the Mailbox contents table may be navigated 
> without interacting with the table.  The same is true for the Mailbox list.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 26, 2022, at 23:17, Herbie Allen  <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is 
> off, then she should be able to go through the mail list without interacting.
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen > <mailto:thistleshamrock2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. When 
>> she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets this 
>> table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads the 
>> subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember how I 
>> set it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. Any 
>> advice would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Holly
>> 
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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Brad Snyder]

Yes, it sounds like your student has Column View enabled, and you do not.
Actually, I much prefer Column View, but that is an individual choice.

Column View can be enabled/disabled by going to the Menu Bar > View, and 
pressing the Down Arrow until you get to Column View.  Now press the Enter key 
to either select (check) or deselect (uncheck) as you prefer.

As Herbie stated, make sure that your student has QuickNav turned off, or uses 
the VO modifier when navigating, after interacting with the Mailbox contents 
table.
Note:  With QuickNav turned off, the Mailbox contents table may be navigated 
without interacting with the table.  The same is true for the Mailbox list.

HTH.

- Brad -




On Jan 26, 2022, at 23:17, Herbie Allen  wrote:

Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is off, 
then she should be able to go through the mail list without interacting.

> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. When 
> she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets this 
> table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads the 
> subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember how I set 
> it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. Any advice 
> would be appreciated.
> 
> Holly
> 
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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Herbie Allen]

Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is off, 
then she should be able to go through the mail list without interacting.

> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen  wrote:
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> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. When 
> she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets this 
> table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads the 
> subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember how I set 
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Re: A basic Mail question

[Lorie McCloud]

oh sorry. it works in Catalina.

> On May 26, 2021, at 9:20 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> I can’t get this one to work.
> When I have interacted with the Mailbox table, this command moves one item at 
> a time.
> When I have not interacted with the Mailbox table, this command does nothing.
> 
> I am using Apple Mail on my Mac mini running Big Sur 11.4.
> I have my VO modifier set to be CMD + OPT 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 26, 2021, at 01:57, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
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> to jump to the top, command-option up arrow. to the bottom, command-option 
> down-arrow.
> 
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>> keyboard shortcut to jump to the top (or bottom) of a list. For example
>> when in a mailbox on the list of all the messages in that mailbox, how
>> do I jump to the top of the list? And how to the bottom of the list?
>> 
>> It's a simple basic question, but I've failed to find the answer. Must
>> be looking in all the wrong places! 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
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Re: A basic Mail question

[Matthew Dyer]

Matthew



Cmd-up arrow to go to the top and cmd-down arrow to go to the bottom.  HTH.



Hi,




On 5/26/2021 1:56 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

I've started using Mac Mail more frequently, but I'm not finding the
keyboard shortcut to jump to the top (or bottom) of a list. For example
when in a mailbox on the list of all the messages in that mailbox, how
do I jump to the top of the list? And how to the bottom of the list?

It's a simple basic question, but I've failed to find the answer. Must
be looking in all the wrong places! 

Thanks in advance,

Janina




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Re: A basic Mail question

[Brad Snyder]

I can’t get this one to work.
When I have interacted with the Mailbox table, this command moves one item at a 
time.
When I have not interacted with the Mailbox table, this command does nothing.

I am using Apple Mail on my Mac mini running Big Sur 11.4.
I have my VO modifier set to be CMD + OPT 

- Brad -


On May 26, 2021, at 01:57, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

to jump to the top, command-option up arrow. to the bottom, command-option 
down-arrow.

> On May 26, 2021, at 12:56 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've started using Mac Mail more frequently, but I'm not finding the
> keyboard shortcut to jump to the top (or bottom) of a list. For example
> when in a mailbox on the list of all the messages in that mailbox, how
> do I jump to the top of the list? And how to the bottom of the list?
> 
> It's a simple basic question, but I've failed to find the answer. Must
> be looking in all the wrong places! 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> -- 
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Re: A basic Mail question

[Brad Snyder]

CMD + OPT + Up/Down Arrow works only when interacting with the Mailbox table.
OPT + Up/Down Arrow should work all the time. 

- Brad -


On May 26, 2021, at 06:16, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Yes, that's the magic! Thanks, Lorie!

Janina

Lorie McCloud writes:
> to jump to the top, command-option up arrow. to the bottom, command-option 
> down-arrow.
> 
>> On May 26, 2021, at 12:56 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I've started using Mac Mail more frequently, but I'm not finding the
>> keyboard shortcut to jump to the top (or bottom) of a list. For example
>> when in a mailbox on the list of all the messages in that mailbox, how
>> do I jump to the top of the list? And how to the bottom of the list?
>> 
>> It's a simple basic question, but I've failed to find the answer. Must
>> be looking in all the wrong places! 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
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Re: A basic Mail question

[Brad Snyder]

Make sure you have Keyboard Commander turned off, or at least not set to use 
both Option keys.

- Brad -


On May 26, 2021, at 06:15, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Not working, sorry to say.

Brad Snyder writes:
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> Try using OPT + UpArrow, to go to the top of a mailbox list, and OPT + 
> DownArrow, to go to the bottom of the list.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 26, 2021, at 00:56, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> I've started using Mac Mail more frequently, but I'm not finding the
> keyboard shortcut to jump to the top (or bottom) of a list. For example
> when in a mailbox on the list of all the messages in that mailbox, how
> do I jump to the top of the list? And how to the bottom of the list?
> 
> It's a simple basic question, but I've failed to find the answer. Must
> be looking in all the wrong places! 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> -- 
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Re: A basic Mail question

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, that's the magic! Thanks, Lorie!

Janina

Lorie McCloud writes:
> to jump to the top, command-option up arrow. to the bottom, command-option 
> down-arrow.
> 
> > On May 26, 2021, at 12:56 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
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> > Hi,
> > 
> > I've started using Mac Mail more frequently, but I'm not finding the
> > keyboard shortcut to jump to the top (or bottom) of a list. For example
> > when in a mailbox on the list of all the messages in that mailbox, how
> > do I jump to the top of the list? And how to the bottom of the list?
> > 
> > It's a simple basic question, but I've failed to find the answer. Must
> > be looking in all the wrong places! 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 
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Re: A basic Mail question

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Not working, sorry to say.

Brad Snyder writes:
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> Try using OPT + UpArrow, to go to the top of a mailbox list, and OPT + 
> DownArrow, to go to the bottom of the list.
> 
> HTH.
> 
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> 
> On May 26, 2021, at 00:56, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> I've started using Mac Mail more frequently, but I'm not finding the
> keyboard shortcut to jump to the top (or bottom) of a list. For example
> when in a mailbox on the list of all the messages in that mailbox, how
> do I jump to the top of the list? And how to the bottom of the list?
> 
> It's a simple basic question, but I've failed to find the answer. Must
> be looking in all the wrong places! 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Janina
> 
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Re: A basic Mail question

[Lorie McCloud]

to jump to the top, command-option up arrow. to the bottom, command-option 
down-arrow.

> On May 26, 2021, at 12:56 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've started using Mac Mail more frequently, but I'm not finding the
> keyboard shortcut to jump to the top (or bottom) of a list. For example
> when in a mailbox on the list of all the messages in that mailbox, how
> do I jump to the top of the list? And how to the bottom of the list?
> 
> It's a simple basic question, but I've failed to find the answer. Must
> be looking in all the wrong places! 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Janina
> 
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Re: A basic Mail question

[Brad Snyder]

Try using OPT + UpArrow, to go to the top of a mailbox list, and OPT + 
DownArrow, to go to the bottom of the list.

HTH.

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On May 26, 2021, at 00:56, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

I've started using Mac Mail more frequently, but I'm not finding the
keyboard shortcut to jump to the top (or bottom) of a list. For example
when in a mailbox on the list of all the messages in that mailbox, how
do I jump to the top of the list? And how to the bottom of the list?

It's a simple basic question, but I've failed to find the answer. Must
be looking in all the wrong places! 

Thanks in advance,

Janina


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A basic Mail question

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I've started using Mac Mail more frequently, but I'm not finding the
keyboard shortcut to jump to the top (or bottom) of a list. For example
when in a mailbox on the list of all the messages in that mailbox, how
do I jump to the top of the list? And how to the bottom of the list?

It's a simple basic question, but I've failed to find the answer. Must
be looking in all the wrong places! 

Thanks in advance,

Janina


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ONE MORE IPAD MAIL QUESTION

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi again, all,

I probably will give Outlook a try, but in the meantime, I have one more iPad 
mail question.  I am noticing that frequently the message that is displayed is 
not the same is the one that Voiceover reports as being selected.  Anyone know 
why this would happen, and if there’s a way to fix it?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: A Mail Question.

[Eileen Scrivani]

Jonathan,

Thanks. I have verizon, but not using Yahoo for mail processing. I use the mail 
app that comes on the Iphone and on my Mac book I again am using the Apple 
supplied Mail app.

On my IPhone 6, the edit button is still at the top right corner of the screen, 
but the delete button does not indicate “all”. Delete just deletes one message 
at a time. I used to be able to open a message, then place one finger on 
delete, leave it there and then with a second finger just keep tapping on the 
delete button as I would rapidly delete one message after another. 

It no longer works the way it used to with the last two plus releases of IOS.

Eileen

From: Jonathan Cohn 
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 8:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: A Mail Question.

I remember being able to do this in IOS 8 by clicking the edit button and then 
immediately going down to the delete button which then said trash all. I don't 
believe there is a way to clear an entire mailbox in IOS 10 mail application. 
Since you have a verizon.net address, I assume you are using Yahoo mail… In 
this case you might be able to find a yahoo mail app or perhaps even the google 
mail app and do the deletion from there.  
+ 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn




  On Nov 13, 2017, at 2:35 PM, Eileen Scrivani <etscriv...@verizon.net> wrote:

  Sorry, I neglected to state in the below that I want to do this on the 
IPhone, not on the Mac.

  Eileen

  From: Eileen Scrivani 
  Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 2:00 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: A Mail Question.

  Hello All, 

  Does any one know of a way to select all messages in the inbox and do a mass 
delete? I have accumulated a ton of messages on my phone and I simply want to 
clear out the entire inbox. I need a pain-free way of getting rid of them.

  Any ideas greatly appreciated.

  Eileen

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Re: A Mail Question.

[Jonathan Cohn]

I remember being able to do this in IOS 8 by clicking the edit button and then 
immediately going down to the delete button which then said trash all. I don't 
believe there is a way to clear an entire mailbox in IOS 10 mail application. 
Since you have a verizon.net <http://verizon.net/> address, I assume you are 
using Yahoo mail… In this case you might be able to find a yahoo mail app or 
perhaps even the google mail app and do the deletion from there. 
 + 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Nov 13, 2017, at 2:35 PM, Eileen Scrivani <etscriv...@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I neglected to state in the below that I want to do this on the 
> IPhone, not on the Mac.
>  
> Eileen
>  
> From: Eileen Scrivani <>
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 2:00 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <>
> Subject: A Mail Question.
>  
> Hello All,
>  
> Does any one know of a way to select all messages in the inbox and do a mass 
> delete? I have accumulated a ton of messages on my phone and I simply want to 
> clear out the entire inbox. I need a pain-free way of getting rid of them.
>  
> Any ideas greatly appreciated.
>  
> Eileen
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Re: A Mail Question.

[Eileen Scrivani]

Sorry, I neglected to state in the below that I want to do this on the IPhone, 
not on the Mac.

Eileen

From: Eileen Scrivani 
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: A Mail Question.

Hello All, 

Does any one know of a way to select all messages in the inbox and do a mass 
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Any ideas greatly appreciated.

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Re: very basic mac mail question

[Alex Hall]

I just use option=up for top or option=down for bottom. If that doesn't work, 
be sure you've stopped interacting with the messages table and try again.
 On Jan 12, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Should be command option up arrow and command option down arrow. 
 Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas 
 Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
 Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
 Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
 Email: blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com mailto:blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com 
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 characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the 
 expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles 
 between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; 
 blindness is not what holds you back. 
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 On Jan 12, 2015, at 10:28 AM, Michael Malver mmal...@gmail.com 
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 I can’t seem to figure out the keyboard command for moving to the top or 
 bottom of the message list once I give it focus.
 How can I accomplish this?
  
 
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very basic mac mail question

[Michael Malver]

I can't seem to figure out the keyboard command for moving to the top or
bottom of the message list once I give it focus.

How can I accomplish this?

 

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Re: very basic mac mail question

[Aleeha Dudley]

Should be command option up arrow and command option down arrow. 
Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
Email: blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com mailto:blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com 
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the 
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between 
blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not 
what holds you back. 
“The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian 
proverb 

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 How can I accomplish this?
  
 
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A no mail question

[Angus MacKinnon]

I can not see by the website how to set the list to no mail. Is it possible to 
set this list to no mail by email? Thank you.
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Re: A no mail question

[Chris Blouch]

Done. You can also choose Digest which gives you one big email a day 
with all the messages concatenated together.


CB

On 12/14/13 7:05 PM, Angus MacKinnon wrote:

I can not see by the website how to set the list to no mail. Is it possible to 
set this list to no mail by email? Thank you.
Î
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A no mail question

[Angus MacKinnon]

I am having a lapse in memory. I am about to leave on a two week trip. Is it 
possible to set this list to no mail status, so my mailbox does not fillup? 
Thank you.

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Re: another mail question

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

 
 Jean:

In the iOS 7 settings, under mail, there should be a button to turn archiving 
on or off.

Hope this helps. Be well.

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Re: Apple Mail question.

[Nicholas Parsons]

Hi,

I think the problem is that you've got so many messages and it will take a long 
time for Mail to scan your messages and apply the rules. I've done this before 
with a few thousand messages and I too thought nothing was hapenning for a long 
time. I can't imagine what it would be like with 48 thousand. So, my advice, 
after you try applying rules, press command-option-0 to view Mail activity. 
Take a look and see if Mail is doing anything. If it is, then just give it 
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Re: Apple Mail question.

[Danny Noonan]

Thanks muchly for the tips. I didn't know the mail activity hotkey. That's 
great to have.

I decided I had to trim the monster mailbox  down to give mail a chance to be 
able to function at all so I've been experimenting with folder searches saved 
into smart folders where I can delete or move as required and it seems to be 
helping. I've gotten rid of 3 or 4  thousand so far but have a long way to go. 
turns out it was still downloading and there were 65000 messages when it had 
finished.. I'm frankly amazed mail can function at all with this. Windows would 
have pooped itself to death way before this. smile.

Thanks again.

Danny.

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 I think the problem is that you've got so many messages and it will take a 
 long time for Mail to scan your messages and apply the rules. I've done this 
 before with a few thousand messages and I too thought nothing was hapenning 
 for a long time. I can't imagine what it would be like with 48 thousand. So, 
 my advice, after you try applying rules, press command-option-0 to view Mail 
 activity. Take a look and see if Mail is doing anything. If it is, then just 
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Re: configuring apple apple mail question

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

You can also just press enter on the messages to open them.  I honestly see no 
real difference between pressing command W, and pressing VO J.  Your actually 
pressing 2 fewer keys to read a message, and 1 fewer key to close the message 
and go back to your messages table.

JMO.

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On Aug 28, 2012, at 12:11 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 One thing to keep in mind here is that this will not work if you get rid of 
 the preview pane. The up side is that you can arrow past messages without 
 having them automatically be marked as read; the down side is that you will 
 have to open them with cmd-o and close them with cmd-w (enter seems to work 
 to open as well) and cannot delete right from the text. It's a trade-off 
 however you slice it.
 About the sorting of columns: I don't know, but if you get an answer, please 
 share it with the list as I'd love to re-order a few things.
 On Aug 27, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi
 Yes I do this all the time. I interact with the message text by pressing vo 
 j, then read the message, then press delete. The next message will show up, 
 depending on the last arrow press you do. If you previously pressed up 
 arrow, the next message to display will be above the one you just deleted. 
 If you previously pressed down arrow, the next message you see will be below 
 the one you just deleted.
 Good luck.
 Lisette
 
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 wrote:
 
 Hello all in standard view is it possible to open a message, delete, then 
 automatically move to the next message. Know what I am saying here? Thanks!
 Sent from my mac
 
 
 
 On 27 Aug 2012, at 18:02, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, I am using ML   with standard view in apple mail.  Is there a way to 
 configure things so that the fields in the messages table are in an order 
 that I prefer.  I'd like voiceover to read this info to me in a different 
 order.  I really don't need to know how many message conversations are in 
 a message first.  Does that make sense?  I mostly prefer to hear the 
 subject field first.  Although, in some mailboxes, I'd like to hear the 
 sender name first.  Is it possible to configure different mailboxes 
 differently?
 
 Thanks,
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configuring apple apple mail question

[Christina C.]

Hi, I am using ML   with standard view in apple mail.  Is there a way to 
configure things so that the fields in the messages table are in an order that 
I prefer.  I'd like voiceover to read this info to me in a different order.  I 
really don't need to know how many message conversations are in a message 
first.  Does that make sense?  I mostly prefer to hear the subject field first. 
 Although, in some mailboxes, I'd like to hear the sender name first.  Is it 
possible to configure different mailboxes differently?

Thanks,
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Re: configuring apple apple mail question

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello all in standard view is it possible to open a message, delete, then 
automatically move to the next message. Know what I am saying here? Thanks!
Sent from my mac



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 configure things so that the fields in the messages table are in an order 
 that I prefer.  I'd like voiceover to read this info to me in a different 
 order.  I really don't need to know how many message conversations are in a 
 message first.  Does that make sense?  I mostly prefer to hear the subject 
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Re: configuring apple apple mail question

[Lisette Wesseling]

Hi
Yes I do this all the time. I interact with the message text by pressing vo j, 
then read the message, then press delete. The next message will show up, 
depending on the last arrow press you do. If you previously pressed up arrow, 
the next message to display will be above the one you just deleted. If you 
previously pressed down arrow, the next message you see will be below the one 
you just deleted.
Good luck.
Lisette

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wrote:

 Hello all in standard view is it possible to open a message, delete, then 
 automatically move to the next message. Know what I am saying here? Thanks!
 Sent from my mac
 
 
 
 On 27 Aug 2012, at 18:02, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, I am using ML   with standard view in apple mail.  Is there a way to 
 configure things so that the fields in the messages table are in an order 
 that I prefer.  I'd like voiceover to read this info to me in a different 
 order.  I really don't need to know how many message conversations are in a 
 message first.  Does that make sense?  I mostly prefer to hear the subject 
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Re: configuring apple apple mail question

[Alex Hall]

One thing to keep in mind here is that this will not work if you get rid of the 
preview pane. The up side is that you can arrow past messages without having 
them automatically be marked as read; the down side is that you will have to 
open them with cmd-o and close them with cmd-w (enter seems to work to open as 
well) and cannot delete right from the text. It's a trade-off however you slice 
it.
About the sorting of columns: I don't know, but if you get an answer, please 
share it with the list as I'd love to re-order a few things.
On Aug 27, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hi
 Yes I do this all the time. I interact with the message text by pressing vo 
 j, then read the message, then press delete. The next message will show up, 
 depending on the last arrow press you do. If you previously pressed up arrow, 
 the next message to display will be above the one you just deleted. If you 
 previously pressed down arrow, the next message you see will be below the one 
 you just deleted.
 Good luck.
 Lisette
 
 On 28/08/2012, at 8:25 AM, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hello all in standard view is it possible to open a message, delete, then 
 automatically move to the next message. Know what I am saying here? Thanks!
 Sent from my mac
 
 
 
 On 27 Aug 2012, at 18:02, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, I am using ML   with standard view in apple mail.  Is there a way to 
 configure things so that the fields in the messages table are in an order 
 that I prefer.  I'd like voiceover to read this info to me in a different 
 order.  I really don't need to know how many message conversations are in a 
 message first.  Does that make sense?  I mostly prefer to hear the subject 
 field first.  Although, in some mailboxes, I'd like to hear the sender name 
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Re: dumb mail question

[christopher hallsworth]

I just cursor to the link and do a vo-space to activate it. This is assuming 
quick nav is off. If on press up and down together to activate.
On 23 Aug 2012, at 20:52, Bill Holton wrote:

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 What is the best voiceover command to use that will get mail to consistently 
 open a web URL insight email?
 
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Re: dumb mail question

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I would navigate by character to the url itself then press VO space.  If that 
fails you, do the same but instead of pressing VO space, press VO shift M to 
bring up the context menu and select to open link or something like that.

hth

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Re: dumb mail question

[Alex Hall]

That's what I do. You don't have to go by character though, just by
line or whatever until you get close, then by word until the vo cursor
is focused somewhere on the link text. Vo-shift-m, open url, enter,
and there you go.

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 I would navigate by character to the url itself then press VO space.  If
 that fails you, do the same but instead of pressing VO space, press VO shift
 M to bring up the context menu and select to open link or something like
 that.

 hth

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conversation order in mail question

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi,
Ok, anybody have any suggestions about how to get conversations to be displayed 
correctly in apple mail?  I'd like them to be displayed with the oldest message 
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Hi,
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Hi,
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Re: conversation order in mail question

[Gerard Doody]

Hi Caitlyn,  I am not sure of the whole answer, but when I expand a 
conversation on my mac, I see the newest and the oldest from the person who 
seems to have initated th whole conversation.  So, I will see say a request for 
help and the last thing that that person said in a subsequent message on top. 
then the first one below it.  not sure what else to say about it now, but, I'll 
experiment and let you know.  take care 
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On May 16, 2012, at 5:54 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:

Hi,
Ok, anybody have any suggestions about how to get conversations to be displayed 
correctly in apple mail?  I'd like them to be displayed with the oldest message 
on top so I can read them in order, but this isn't happening.  I did see an 
option for this in preferences and it's set up to display this way, but the 
newest message in the conversation is still on top, annoyingly.

any ideas?  It doesn't seem to matter whether that darn check box in prefs is 
checked or unchecked..

thanks,
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Re: Mac Mail question

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Once you find it in Trash, Press VO M to go to the menu bar; go over to 
Message, and down to move to, submenu.  Right arrow there and then press I, 
for Inbox, and enter.  That will move the message from Trash to Inbox.  If 
there are other messages in Trash that you wish to move to Inbox, you can 
simply find them and hit Command Option T.


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Re: Mac Mail question

[Kirsten Edmondson]

Thanks, I was looking in the wrong menu then. 

On 1 May 2012, at 20:14, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

 Once you find it in Trash, Press VO M to go to the menu bar; go over to 
 Message, and down to move to, submenu.  Right arrow there and then press 
 I, for Inbox, and enter.  That will move the message from Trash to Inbox.  
 If there are other messages in Trash that you wish to move to Inbox, you can 
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Re: Mac Mail question

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Hi there!
You can also open VO+shift+m and in that menu arrow down to the move sub menu!
And there is also a move again which is set to the last mailbox you sent 
something to!
hth Colin

On 1 May 2012, at 22:57, Kirsten Edmondson wrote:

 Thanks, I was looking in the wrong menu then. 
 
 On 1 May 2012, at 20:14, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
 
 Once you find it in Trash, Press VO M to go to the menu bar; go over to 
 Message, and down to move to, submenu.  Right arrow there and then press 
 I, for Inbox, and enter.  That will move the message from Trash to Inbox.  
 If there are other messages in Trash that you wish to move to Inbox, you can 
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Re: Mac Mail question

[Dan Roy]

Also, you can cut the message with ctrl-X and then paste it wherever you want 
it.  This is what I usually do, it works great.


On May 1, 2012, at 5:10 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:

 Hi there!
 You can also open VO+shift+m and in that menu arrow down to the move sub menu!
 And there is also a move again which is set to the last mailbox you sent 
 something to!
 hth Colin
 
 On 1 May 2012, at 22:57, Kirsten Edmondson wrote:
 
 Thanks, I was looking in the wrong menu then. 
 
 On 1 May 2012, at 20:14, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
 
 Once you find it in Trash, Press VO M to go to the menu bar; go over to 
 Message, and down to move to, submenu.  Right arrow there and then press 
 I, for Inbox, and enter.  That will move the message from Trash to Inbox. 
  If there are other messages in Trash that you wish to move to Inbox, you 
 can simply find them and hit Command Option T.
 
 
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Re: Previous Recipiants Mail Question

[Teresa Cochran]

I think of the previous recipients list as a sort of holding tank of addresses 
that have been dealt with in mail. You can then take these and put them in your 
address book or delete them. I actually like this feature. When I used to use 
Outlook Express in windows, I was a little annoyed to find every single address 
I'd replied to in my address book. I don't necessarily want every address in 
there.

Teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Apr 13, 2012, at 4:02 PM, Jim Gatteys wrote:

 You can also create smart groups and put a key word  in the notes field or 
 any field in address book.  If you are consistent address book will create a 
 smart group.
 Jim
 
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 you can create groups in address book. Go to file and then to new group. You 
 dan select from all contacts the people you want and copy them. 
 then go to the new group and paste them. 
 
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Previous Recipiants Mail Question

[Emilio Hernandez]

Hello everyone,

In the previous recipients feature within the Window menu in the menubar, is 
there a way to rename e-mail address so they reflect the name of the sender?
Additionally, how can I send a message to multiple users? Finally, how can I 
create a mail group for future use?

Thank you all for all of your help.

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Re: Previous Recipiants Mail Question

[Jim Gatteys]

Hi Emilio!
You can create a group in address book for future mail sending.
You can enter multiple addresses in the to, cc and bcc fields to send.
I do not know of a way to rename addresses in the previous recipients.  I've 
tried previously with no luck.  I've always kind of wondered why that is there. 
 It doesn't seem to let you do anything.
Maybe somebody else will know more--well certainly they will!

Jim

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 Hello everyone,
 
 In the previous recipients feature within the Window menu in the menubar, is 
 there a way to rename e-mail address so they reflect the name of the sender?
 Additionally, how can I send a message to multiple users? Finally, how can I 
 create a mail group for future use?
 
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Re: Previous Recipiants Mail Question

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you can create groups in address book. Go to file and then to new group. You 
dan select from all contacts the people you want and copy them. 
 then go to the new group and paste them. 

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 Hi Emilio!
 You can create a group in address book for future mail sending.
 You can enter multiple addresses in the to, cc and bcc fields to send.
 I do not know of a way to rename addresses in the previous recipients.  I've 
 tried previously with no luck.  I've always kind of wondered why that is 
 there.  It doesn't seem to let you do anything.
 Maybe somebody else will know more--well certainly they will!
 
 Jim
 
 On Apr 13, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Emilio Hernandez wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 In the previous recipients feature within the Window menu in the menubar, is 
 there a way to rename e-mail address so they reflect the name of the sender?
 Additionally, how can I send a message to multiple users? Finally, how can I 
 create a mail group for future use?
 
 Thank you all for all of your help.
 
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Re: Previous Recipiants Mail Question

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You can also create smart groups and put a key word  in the notes field or any 
field in address book.  If you are consistent address book will create a smart 
group.
Jim

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Re: Lion Mail question

[bill holton]

Are you using the standard Lion layout or have you gone back to the previous 
version.  In the newer layout I can't figure out how to go down by files.  A 
single field seems to include all the info, there doesn't seem to be a way to 
change to table or list view to easily go down the subject fields.  Wondering 
if there is any way to rearrange these so the subject reads first.  Thanks.
Bill

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 I suppose you could change the sort order in the view menu and sort according 
 to the field you want. Also I like to interact with the messages table and vo 
 right to the subject field. Then I vo down and hear just subjects messages. 
 Not quite what you were asking for but hope this helps.
 
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Re: Lion Mail question

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I suppose you could change the sort order in the view menu and sort according 
to the field you want. Also I like to interact with the messages table and vo 
right to the subject field. Then I vo down and hear just subjects messages. Not 
quite what you were asking for but hope this helps.

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Switching from 1 inbox to an other in lion mail question

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi all,

Thanks for your great tips in my first steps on the mac. Here I go again with 
an other one:
Is there a way to quickly go to the list of mailboxes to switch between them? I 
can error around with vo and find the table if the list of mailboxes is showing 
and I suppose could set a hotspot but did not want to rediscover the wheel. :)

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Re: Switching from 1 inbox to an other in lion mail question

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Ioana. 
I have lost my mailboxes more than once, and at first, got real frustrated. 
Lately, I have been either going to the menu and calling up Favorite Mailboxes. 
But when I finally remembered the command, I can press command-1 to go to the 
Inbox. So far it looks like if I can get my inbox to show the others show. Hope 
this helps. 

Regards, 
Gigi 

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 Hi all,
 
 Thanks for your great tips in my first steps on the mac. Here I go again with 
 an other one:
 Is there a way to quickly go to the list of mailboxes to switch between them? 
 I can error around with vo and find the table if the list of mailboxes is 
 showing and I suppose could set a hotspot but did not want to rediscover the 
 wheel. :)
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: Switching from 1 inbox to an other in lion mail question

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi there,

Poking around I found that pressing command shift m shows or hides the mailbox 
list.
Thought I'd share.

Ioana 
On Sep 22, 2011, at 12:44 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

 Hi Ioana. 
 I have lost my mailboxes more than once, and at first, got real frustrated. 
 Lately, I have been either going to the menu and calling up Favorite 
 Mailboxes. But when I finally remembered the command, I can press command-1 
 to go to the Inbox. So far it looks like if I can get my inbox to show the 
 others show. Hope this helps. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
 On Sep 22, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Thanks for your great tips in my first steps on the mac. Here I go again 
 with an other one:
 Is there a way to quickly go to the list of mailboxes to switch between 
 them? I can error around with vo and find the table if the list of mailboxes 
 is showing and I suppose could set a hotspot but did not want to rediscover 
 the wheel. :)
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: New User Mac Mail Question

[Garth Humphreys]

Can it at least be setup to work as IMAP   
I do not want to have to use the account as POP

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Re: New User Mac Mail Question

[james Walton]

no
live can not be setup as imap
i wish it could

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Re: New User Mac Mail Question

[Rachel magario]

Garth,

When you go to mail boxes does it show there as one of the options or not?
If it does, it could be you just have your gmail inbox chosen, so it will only 
show your gmail messages.
You have to choose the higher level inbox to show messages from both.
But, if it does not show, then they are other possibilities.
HTH,
RM

On Sep 8, 2011, at 9:40 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote:

 Hi All 
 
 I have a new Mac Book Air 11Inch.  I have my gmail account working well. But 
 can't seem to get my windows live account working. I went into Mail,Calendars 
  and Contacts in system preferences and added the account as an exchange 
 account however it doesn't seem to appear in mail  or contacts.  There were 
 some errors when I first set it up but I think I have fixed these. At least I 
 go back into check the account it seems to be there and all the fields seem 
 to be filled out. I have ensured that the ticked boxes are ticked to enable 
 Mail and Contacts.  Has anyone got any ideas as to what I have done wrong.
 
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Re: New User Mac Mail Question

[Rachel magario]

Garf and all, I forgot the exchange miner detail.  Sorry. :) 
But apparently there is a solution. I am not sure how accessible it is with 
voiceover. But worth a shot,  for you courageous early adopters.
It is called fluentfactory
http://fluentfactory.com/mboxmail-for-mac/
I have given up checking my hotmail for a long time, so I will  not be trying.
HTH,
Rachel
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 no
 live can not be setup as imap
 i wish it could
 
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Re: New User Mac Mail Question

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promise, I'll stop sending email soon!
I forgot to say this solution is not a mail client, just a background tool that 
runs in the background to help you use the mail client you want and still 
access your hotmail without having to use pop.
Hope it helps.
Rachel.
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Re: New User Mac Mail Question

[Garth Humphreys]

Hi Rachael 

Thanks for the info. I will have a look into this soon. Well maybe when I get a 
bit more confident using my Mac. I keep my Live account for important messes as 
the push works so well on the iPhone. 

I know that using a Liveaccount for important mail is probably the opposite 
to just about everyone else however that's the way it is. Luckily the iPhone 
works so well with exchange.

Send as many messages as you like Rachael  :) 

Garth 

PS what is the shortcut key for sending mail? At the moment I am having to go 
up to the send button in the toolbar.´´  
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 promise, I'll stop sending email soon!
 I forgot to say this solution is not a mail client, just a background tool 
 that runs in the background to help you use the mail client you want and 
 still access your hotmail without having to use pop.
 Hope it helps.
 Rachel.
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Re: New User Mac Mail Question

[Rachel magario]

command shift d
send messages on mail!
Yes, I am known for talking to much! :) 
Trying to be careful not to overload my new friends on this list! haha
On Sep 9, 2011, at 5:12 AM, Garth Humphreys wrote:

 Hi Rachael 
 
 Thanks for the info. I will have a look into this soon. Well maybe when I get 
 a bit more confident using my Mac. I keep my Live account for important 
 messes as the push works so well on the iPhone. 
 
 I know that using a Liveaccount for important mail is probably the 
 opposite to just about everyone else however that's the way it is. Luckily 
 the iPhone works so well with exchange.
 
 Send as many messages as you like Rachael  :) 
 
 Garth 
 
 PS what is the shortcut key for sending mail? At the moment I am having to go 
 up to the send button in the toolbar.´´  
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 promise, I'll stop sending email soon!
 I forgot to say this solution is not a mail client, just a background tool 
 that runs in the background to help you use the mail client you want and 
 still access your hotmail without having to use pop.
 Hope it helps.
 Rachel.
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New User Mac Mail Question

[Garth Humphreys]

Hi All 

I have a new Mac Book Air 11Inch.  I have my gmail account working well. But 
can't seem to get my windows live account working. I went into Mail,Calendars   
   and Contacts in system preferences and added the account as an exchange 
account however it doesn't seem to appear in mail  or contacts.  There were 
some errors when I first set it up but I think I have fixed these. At least I 
go back into check the account it seems to be there and all the fields seem to 
be filled out. I have ensured that the ticked boxes are ticked to enable Mail 
and Contacts.  Has anyone got any ideas as to what I have done wrong.

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Re: New User Mac Mail Question

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please explain to me how you got it to work as exchange!
when i tried it it did not work for me. i had to do it as pop
on my iPhone it works well as exchange though

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Re: New User Mac Mail Question

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I don't think you can use a windows live or hotmail account as exchange in Mac 
mail.  Only mobile devices.

Ricardo Walker
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On Sep 8, 2011, at 10:40 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote:

 Hi All 
 
 I have a new Mac Book Air 11Inch.  I have my gmail account working well. But 
 can't seem to get my windows live account working. I went into Mail,Calendars 
  and Contacts in system preferences and added the account as an exchange 
 account however it doesn't seem to appear in mail  or contacts.  There were 
 some errors when I first set it up but I think I have fixed these. At least I 
 go back into check the account it seems to be there and all the fields seem 
 to be filled out. I have ensured that the ticked boxes are ticked to enable 
 Mail and Contacts.  Has anyone got any ideas as to what I have done wrong.
 
 Garth 
 
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Re: New User Mac Mail Question

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agreed because when you set it up the server is m.hotmail.com

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Re: Mac Mail Question

[Paul Erkens]

Hi Linda,

If you have 2 mailboxes and you want to easily switch between them, here's how 
to do it. If you need more help, let me know.

First, you will want to have both mailboxes in your favorites bar. You can do 
this using the new drag and drop procedure in voice over. First, look where the 
favorites bar is. Interact with it, and find your way around, so that you later 
know where to paste your second mailbox. If you see checkboxes in the favorites 
bar, don't worry about them. For this task, they are not important.

If your first mailbox is already in the favorites bar, but your second mailbox 
isn't yet, then you will have to drag the second mailbox from the mailboxes 
table, over to the favorites bar. The reason you will want both mailboxes to be 
in the favorites bar is, that you will later be able to use command plus the 
number 1 to get into the first mailbox, and command plus 2 to get into your 
second mailbox, as displayed in the favorites bar. Which mailbox will open if 
you press command 1 or command 2, depends on the order in which the mailboxes 
appear on the favorites bar. So if, for example, your private email account is 
first on the favorites bar, and your, say, gmail account is second, then 
command 1 wil open your private inbox and command 2 your gmail.
Opening a new mail window etc, like you described, is then no longer necessary.

To drag the second mailbox over to the favorites bar, go to the mailboxes table 
and interact with it, put the voiceover cursor on the mailbox you want to drag, 
then press v o comma there. This will tell voice over that this is the item you 
want to drag elsewhere. Now, move over to the favorites bar and interact with 
it, put the v o cursor on the spot just to the right of your first mailbox that 
was already there, and then drop the second mailbox using v o plus period. This 
will start the drag operation. You will here a mouse down sound, then some soft 
whooshes while it's dragging, then a mouse up click, and the second mailbox is 
in the favorites bar. Now, the work should be done, if I'm not forgetting 
something. It is somewhat more work to get rid of a certain mailbox in the 
favorites bar, once you accidentally dragged the wrong one over, so be careful 
that you pick the correct mailbox, that you called, your second mailbox.

From now on, if you press command plus 1, your private email should be 
displayed. Command 2 gives you your other account. You will have to interact 
again after switching mailboxes this way, but it is fast and convenient to do 
it this way.

Hth. Paul.
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 Hello again,
 
 Well, I kept researching and found another solution to my question.  I just 
 found that command option N will open a new mail window in which I can then 
 open another mailbox.  Then I can easily switch between the windows to check 
 my inbox and my other mailbox.
 
 This works, but if anyone knows how I can change command 2 to do the trick, 
 I'm still interested.
 
 Linda
 
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Re: Mac Mail Question

[Paul Erkens]

Hi Linda,

If you have 2 mailboxes and you want to easily switch between them, here's how 
to do it. If you need more help, let me know.

First, you will want to have both mailboxes in your favorites bar. You can do 
this using the new drag and drop procedure in voice over. First, look where the 
favorites bar is. Interact with it, and find your way around, so that you later 
know where to paste your second mailbox. If you see checkboxes in the favorites 
bar, don't worry about them. For this task, they are not important.

If your first mailbox is already in the favorites bar, but your second mailbox 
isn't yet, then you will have to drag the second mailbox from the mailboxes 
table, over to the favorites bar. The reason you will want both mailboxes to be 
in the favorites bar is, that you will later be able to use command plus the 
number 1 to get into the first mailbox, and command plus 2 to get into your 
second mailbox, as displayed in the favorites bar. Which mailbox will open if 
you press command 1 or command 2, depends on the order in which the mailboxes 
appear on the favorites bar. So if, for example, your private email account is 
first on the favorites bar, and your, say, gmail account is second, then 
command 1 wil open your private inbox and command 2 your gmail.
Opening a new mail window etc, like you described, is then no longer necessary.

To drag the second mailbox over to the favorites bar, go to the mailboxes 
table, put the voiceover cursor on the mailbox you want to drag, then press v o 
comma there. This will tell voice over that this is the item you want to drag 
elsewhere. Now, move over to the favorites bar, put the v o cursor on the spot 
just to the right of your first mailbox that was already there, and then drop 
the second mailbox using v o plus period. This will start the drag operation. 
You will here a mouse down sound, then some soft whooshes while it's dragging, 
then a mouse up click, and the second mailbox is in the favorites bar. Now, the 
work should be done, if I'm not forgetting something. It is somewhat more work 
to get rid of a certain mailbox in the favorites bar, once you accidentally 
dragged the wrong one over, so be careful that you pick the correct mailbox, 
that you called, your second mailbox.

From now on, if you press command plus 1, your private email should be 
displayed. Command 2 gives you your other account. You will have to interact 
again after switching mailboxes this way, but it is fast and convenient to do 
it like this.

Hth. Paul.
On Aug 23, 2011, at 1:02 AM, Linda Adams wrote:

 Hello again,
 
 Well, I kept researching and found another solution to my question.  I just 
 found that command option N will open a new mail window in which I can then 
 open another mailbox.  Then I can easily switch between the windows to check 
 my inbox and my other mailbox.
 
 This works, but if anyone knows how I can change command 2 to do the trick, 
 I'm still interested.
 
 Linda
 
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Re: Another mail question with Lion

[Simon Cavendish]

Hello,

I've just tried to do this. This is what I did.

I vo+left arrow to the message header area. I then interacted with it. Once you 
interact, I moved with vo+right once and landed on details link. Voiceover 
actually says here link. I pressed vo+spacebar on this link. This resulted in 
being able to see the senders address. I then routed my mouse cursor to vo with 
vo+command+f5 and performed mouse click with vo+shift+spacebar. This opened a 
menu for me which gives you a choice of replying to sender or adding the 
sender's details to your address book. Hope this helps.

Simon
On 2 Aug 2011, at 20:15, carlene knight wrote:

 Hi:
 
 I was going to personally reply to a list member but I can't figure out how 
 to highlight each header.  Before, I could open the message with return, 
 shift tab to headers, vo/right arrow to the email address so that I could 
 select it.  Now I can't seem to highlight any headers and I don't think 
 they're hidden as I can see the info, I just can't seem to place the cursor 
 on any particular heading.  It's been a heck of a long time since I attempted 
 this, and I am barely computer literate so it might be obvious, and if so, I 
 apologize.  I've got mail in classic view.  Thanks in advance.
 
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Re: Another mail question with Lion

[carlene knight]

Hello Simon, and thanks for the reply.  I tried doing this, just now, but the 
only header that shows is hide.  I can't get details or anything like that to 
come up as I used to.  I'll try it again but this is frustrating.  Thanks again

.On Aug 2, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote:

 Hello,
 
 I've just tried to do this. This is what I did.
 
 I vo+left arrow to the message header area. I then interacted with it. Once 
 you interact, I moved with vo+right once and landed on details link. 
 Voiceover actually says here link. I pressed vo+spacebar on this link. This 
 resulted in being able to see the senders address. I then routed my mouse 
 cursor to vo with vo+command+f5 and performed mouse click with 
 vo+shift+spacebar. This opened a menu for me which gives you a choice of 
 replying to sender or adding the sender's details to your address book. Hope 
 this helps.
 
 Simon
 On 2 Aug 2011, at 20:15, carlene knight wrote:
 
 Hi:
 
 I was going to personally reply to a list member but I can't figure out how 
 to highlight each header.  Before, I could open the message with return, 
 shift tab to headers, vo/right arrow to the email address so that I could 
 select it.  Now I can't seem to highlight any headers and I don't think 
 they're hidden as I can see the info, I just can't seem to place the cursor 
 on any particular heading.  It's been a heck of a long time since I 
 attempted this, and I am barely computer literate so it might be obvious, 
 and if so, I apologize.  I've got mail in classic view.  Thanks in advance.
 
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Re: Another mail question with Lion

[Red.Falcon]

Hi Carlene!
OK I'm still not using Lion!
But could the add to address book command help here!
Or has that been removed!
Just in case you do not know it, :] the command is command+shift+Y
Well hth Colin

On 2 Aug 2011, at 23:45, carlene knight wrote:

 
 Hello Simon, and thanks for the reply.  I tried doing this, just now, but the 
 only header that shows is hide.  I can't get details or anything like that to 
 come up as I used to.  I'll try it again but this is frustrating.  Thanks 
 again
 
 .On Aug 2, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 I've just tried to do this. This is what I did.
 
 I vo+left arrow to the message header area. I then interacted with it. Once 
 you interact, I moved with vo+right once and landed on details link. 
 Voiceover actually says here link. I pressed vo+spacebar on this link. 
 This resulted in being able to see the senders address. I then routed my 
 mouse cursor to vo with vo+command+f5 and performed mouse click with 
 vo+shift+spacebar. This opened a menu for me which gives you a choice of 
 replying to sender or adding the sender's details to your address book. Hope 
 this helps.
 
 Simon
 On 2 Aug 2011, at 20:15, carlene knight wrote:
 
 Hi:
 
 I was going to personally reply to a list member but I can't figure out how 
 to highlight each header.  Before, I could open the message with return, 
 shift tab to headers, vo/right arrow to the email address so that I could 
 select it.  Now I can't seem to highlight any headers and I don't think 
 they're hidden as I can see the info, I just can't seem to place the cursor 
 on any particular heading.  It's been a heck of a long time since I 
 attempted this, and I am barely computer literate so it might be obvious, 
 and if so, I apologise.  I've got mail in classic view.  Thanks in advance.
 
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Re: Another mail question with Lion

[carlene knight]

Thanks for reminding me of that command.  I didn't have to put anything in 
addresses  before, but perhaps I will have too.  Thanks for the thought.
On Aug 2, 2011, at 4:02 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:

 Hi Carlene!
 OK I'm still not using Lion!
 But could the add to address book command help here!
 Or has that been removed!
 Just in case you do not know it, :] the command is command+shift+Y
 Well hth Colin
 
 On 2 Aug 2011, at 23:45, carlene knight wrote:
 
 
 Hello Simon, and thanks for the reply.  I tried doing this, just now, but 
 the only header that shows is hide.  I can't get details or anything like 
 that to come up as I used to.  I'll try it again but this is frustrating.  
 Thanks again
 
 .On Aug 2, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 I've just tried to do this. This is what I did.
 
 I vo+left arrow to the message header area. I then interacted with it. Once 
 you interact, I moved with vo+right once and landed on details link. 
 Voiceover actually says here link. I pressed vo+spacebar on this link. 
 This resulted in being able to see the senders address. I then routed my 
 mouse cursor to vo with vo+command+f5 and performed mouse click with 
 vo+shift+spacebar. This opened a menu for me which gives you a choice of 
 replying to sender or adding the sender's details to your address book. 
 Hope this helps.
 
 Simon
 On 2 Aug 2011, at 20:15, carlene knight wrote:
 
 Hi:
 
 I was going to personally reply to a list member but I can't figure out 
 how to highlight each header.  Before, I could open the message with 
 return, shift tab to headers, vo/right arrow to the email address so that 
 I could select it.  Now I can't seem to highlight any headers and I don't 
 think they're hidden as I can see the info, I just can't seem to place the 
 cursor on any particular heading.  It's been a heck of a long time since I 
 attempted this, and I am barely computer literate so it might be obvious, 
 and if so, I apologise.  I've got mail in classic view.  Thanks in advance.
 
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Re: Another mail question with Lion

[André Nuno Soares]

Hello carlene,

This still works, you just have to do a few extra steps:
1) Open the message with enter.
2) VO left arrow to move to the message headers group.
3) Interact with the message headers group.
4) VO right arrow to the link that reads details or hide. If it's 
details, VO space on it.
5) VO left arrow to message headers text.
6) Interact with it.

And that's it,  you're in a headers section very similar to the Snow Leopard 
one. 

Note however, that you can only move around with VO arrow keys, while in SL you 
could do it simply with the arrow keys.


HTH,
André

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 Hi:
 
 I was going to personally reply to a list member but I can't figure out how 
 to highlight each header.  Before, I could open the message with return, 
 shift tab to headers, vo/right arrow to the email address so that I could 
 select it.  Now I can't seem to highlight any headers and I don't think 
 they're hidden as I can see the info, I just can't seem to place the cursor 
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Re: Another mail question with Lion

[carlene knight]

Thanks.  I was afraid that if I tapped the hide button it would do just that 
and hide something I wanted to see.  I forgot that it toggles.  Thanks so much. 
 That's confusing to my wee little brain.  :)
On Aug 2, 2011, at 4:52 PM, André Nuno Soares wrote:

 Hello carlene,
 
 This still works, you just have to do a few extra steps:
 1) Open the message with enter.
 2) VO left arrow to move to the message headers group.
 3) Interact with the message headers group.
 4) VO right arrow to the link that reads details or hide. If it's 
 details, VO space on it.
 5) VO left arrow to message headers text.
 6) Interact with it.
 
 And that's it,  you're in a headers section very similar to the Snow Leopard 
 one. 
 
 Note however, that you can only move around with VO arrow keys, while in SL 
 you could do it simply with the arrow keys.
 
 
 HTH,
 André
 
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 Hi:
 
 I was going to personally reply to a list member but I can't figure out how 
 to highlight each header.  Before, I could open the message with return, 
 shift tab to headers, vo/right arrow to the email address so that I could 
 select it.  Now I can't seem to highlight any headers and I don't think 
 they're hidden as I can see the info, I just can't seem to place the cursor 
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 and if so, I apologize.  I've got mail in classic view.  Thanks in advance.
 
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Re: Fundamental Mail question

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Richard,

To set rules in Mail:

1.  Press cmd-comma to bring up the Preferences window.
2.  Interact with the toolbar.
3.  Navigate right to the Rules tab and press it.
4.  Navigate right to the Add Rule button.
5.  Give the Rule a name.
6.  Set the criteria in whatever manner you wish.
7.  Set the Action if the criteria is met.
8.  Press OK.
9.  close the Preferences window.

That should do it for you.

Later...

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 Hello:
 I want to create some rules for my unruly mailbox.  However, the only menu 
 item I can find that makes reference to rules is one in the messages menu 
 that is labeled apply rule.  Well, that is the problem.  I don't know how 
 to make a rule, so of course, I can't apply one!!
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Re: Fundamental Mail question

[Scott Howell]

Richard,

You setup rules from within preferences. Access preferences via command-comma 
and once you open preferences interact with the toolbar and you will find rules 
there.
hth,

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Re: Fundamental Mail question

[matthew Dyer]

Hi There.

To create a new role n mail, use command , to go the mail prefrence and select 
the roles tab and select add role and follow the promts.  HTH.

Mathew

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Re: Fundamental Mail question

[Richard Ring]

Thanks so much for such an informative and detailed response!

On Jul 19, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

 Hi Richard,
 
 To set rules in Mail:
 
 1.  Press cmd-comma to bring up the Preferences window.
 2.  Interact with the toolbar.
 3.  Navigate right to the Rules tab and press it.
 4.  Navigate right to the Add Rule button.
 5.  Give the Rule a name.
 6.  Set the criteria in whatever manner you wish.
 7.  Set the Action if the criteria is met.
 8.  Press OK.
 9.  close the Preferences window.
 
 That should do it for you.
 
 Later...
 
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 Hello:
 I want to create some rules for my unruly mailbox.  However, the only menu 
 item I can find that makes reference to rules is one in the messages menu 
 that is labeled apply rule.  Well, that is the problem.  I don't know how 
 to make a rule, so of course, I can't apply one!!
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Re: Spellchecker and mail question

[Colin M]

Hi All!
Well I'm back in black on my Mac!
So how to stop the spell check before sending!
1] open vo+shift+m and go to the spell check sub menu!
2 the first item should be hide spell check, vo+space on it!
3] you'll be back in the message!
And you can go through it to check the words you want!
4] to continue open vo+shift+m and go to check document now and vo+space on 
that and you'll go through the rest of the message and change any other mis 
spelled words!
And as normal when you've finished it will send the message!
hth Colin
[no longer Macless] Yay smiley

I'm far too bad for Heaven!
The Devil is afraid I'll take his place!

On 2 May 2011, at 03:50, Zachary Kline wrote:

 I believe this is the way Mail is supposed to work.  I personally use 
 cmd-semi-colon to do my spell checking before I send a message.  It isn't as 
 full-featured as the dialog, but it gets the job done.  You could use 
 cmd-colon just as easily.
 Best,
 Zack.
 On May 1, 2011, at 7:48 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 
 Hi:
 Do you think this is a bug with Vo, iMail, or just the way it is supposed to 
 work?
 On May 1, 2011, at 6:08 PM, Robert Nelson wrote:
 
 Dear Sarai,
 
 I was able to confirm your experience with the inability of being able to 
 close the Spell Check Window without having the message being sent.
 
 If you change the settings in the Mail Preferences window, under the 
 compose pane, you  should be able to cure the problem.   there are three 
 selections in the pop up spell check window.  One is Never.  the second 
 is While typing.  The third isUpon pressing the send button.If you 
 change the spell check to either Never or While Typing you will be  
 able to  close the window by  either command-w or VO-ESCAPE..
 
 Once you do that  you may bring the Spell check back up by pressing 
 SHIFT-COMMAND-SEMICOLON or if the  misspelled word is  selected, 
 
 I hope  this helps.
 
 Sincerely Yours,
 robert Nelson
 you may use the shortcut menu VO-SHIFT-M.
 On May 1, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 
 Thanks, but no luck.On May 1, 2011, at 12:45 PM, 
 velocity.focu...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 Hi there!
 Sorry I've been out of the loop!
 I'm not on my Mac, so saying this from memorie!
 So when you are at a word to check and you do not want it to send!
 Open vo+shift+m and in there is a option to close spell check or some 
 wording like that!
 It is there I've used it!
 HTH Colin.
 
 -original message-
 Subject: Re: Spellchecker and mail question
 From: Sarai Bucciarelli bucc7...@bellsouth.net
 Date: 29/04/2011 04:40
 
 Nope, that sends the message for me.
 On Apr 28, 2011, at 7:57 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Have you tried pressing escape? That always works for me when I'm 
 spellchecking something and want to see the context.
 
 Brandon
 
 On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 
 Hi guys:
 I have my mail to spellcheck before sending; however if I cannot 
 understand the misspelled word, or want to read it in the sentence, or 
 manually enter in a correction, I cannot exit spell checker without 
 sending the message. Is there a way to exit without sending?
 
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Re: Spellchecker and mail question

[velocity . focus66]

Hi there!
Sorry I've been out of the loop!
I'm not on my Mac, so saying this from memorie!
So when you are at a word to check and you do not want it to send!
Open vo+shift+m and in there is a option to close spell check or some wording 
like that!
It is there I've used it!
HTH Colin.

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Subject: Re: Spellchecker and mail question
From: Sarai Bucciarelli bucc7...@bellsouth.net
Date: 29/04/2011 04:40

Nope, that sends the message for me.
On Apr 28, 2011, at 7:57 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Have you tried pressing escape? That always works for me when I'm 
 spellchecking something and want to see the context.
 
 Brandon
 
 On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 
 Hi guys:
 I have my mail to spellcheck before sending; however if I cannot understand 
 the misspelled word, or want to read it in the sentence, or manually enter 
 in a correction, I cannot exit spell checker without sending the message. Is 
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Re: Spellchecker and mail question

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Thanks, but no luck.On May 1, 2011, at 12:45 PM, 
velocity.focu...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi there!
 Sorry I've been out of the loop!
 I'm not on my Mac, so saying this from memorie!
 So when you are at a word to check and you do not want it to send!
 Open vo+shift+m and in there is a option to close spell check or some wording 
 like that!
 It is there I've used it!
 HTH Colin.
 
 -original message-
 Subject: Re: Spellchecker and mail question
 From: Sarai Bucciarelli bucc7...@bellsouth.net
 Date: 29/04/2011 04:40
 
 Nope, that sends the message for me.
 On Apr 28, 2011, at 7:57 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Have you tried pressing escape? That always works for me when I'm 
 spellchecking something and want to see the context.
 
 Brandon
 
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 Hi guys:
 I have my mail to spellcheck before sending; however if I cannot understand 
 the misspelled word, or want to read it in the sentence, or manually enter 
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 Is there a way to exit without sending?
 
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Re: Spellchecker and mail question

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Dear Sarai,

I was able to confirm your experience with the inability of being able to close 
the Spell Check Window without having the message being sent.

If you change the settings in the Mail Preferences window, under the compose 
pane, you  should be able to cure the problem.   there are three selections in 
the pop up spell check window.  One is Never.  the second is While typing.  
The third isUpon pressing the send button.If you change the spell check 
to either Never or While Typing you will be  able to  close the window by  
either command-w or VO-ESCAPE..

Once you do that  you may bring the Spell check back up by pressing 
SHIFT-COMMAND-SEMICOLON or if the  misspelled word is  selected, 

I hope  this helps.

Sincerely Yours,
robert Nelson
you may use the shortcut menu VO-SHIFT-M.
On May 1, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

 Thanks, but no luck.On May 1, 2011, at 12:45 PM, 
 velocity.focu...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 Hi there!
 Sorry I've been out of the loop!
 I'm not on my Mac, so saying this from memorie!
 So when you are at a word to check and you do not want it to send!
 Open vo+shift+m and in there is a option to close spell check or some 
 wording like that!
 It is there I've used it!
 HTH Colin.
 
 -original message-
 Subject: Re: Spellchecker and mail question
 From: Sarai Bucciarelli bucc7...@bellsouth.net
 Date: 29/04/2011 04:40
 
 Nope, that sends the message for me.
 On Apr 28, 2011, at 7:57 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Have you tried pressing escape? That always works for me when I'm 
 spellchecking something and want to see the context.
 
 Brandon
 
 On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 
 Hi guys:
 I have my mail to spellcheck before sending; however if I cannot 
 understand the misspelled word, or want to read it in the sentence, or 
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Re: Spellchecker and mail question

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
Do you think this is a bug with Vo, iMail, or just the way it is supposed to 
work?
On May 1, 2011, at 6:08 PM, Robert Nelson wrote:

 Dear Sarai,
 
 I was able to confirm your experience with the inability of being able to 
 close the Spell Check Window without having the message being sent.
 
 If you change the settings in the Mail Preferences window, under the compose 
 pane, you  should be able to cure the problem.   there are three selections 
 in the pop up spell check window.  One is Never.  the second is While 
 typing.  The third isUpon pressing the send button.If you change the 
 spell check to either Never or While Typing you will be  able to  close 
 the window by  either command-w or VO-ESCAPE..
 
 Once you do that  you may bring the Spell check back up by pressing 
 SHIFT-COMMAND-SEMICOLON or if the  misspelled word is  selected, 
 
 I hope  this helps.
 
 Sincerely Yours,
 robert Nelson
 you may use the shortcut menu VO-SHIFT-M.
 On May 1, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 
 Thanks, but no luck.On May 1, 2011, at 12:45 PM, 
 velocity.focu...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 Hi there!
 Sorry I've been out of the loop!
 I'm not on my Mac, so saying this from memorie!
 So when you are at a word to check and you do not want it to send!
 Open vo+shift+m and in there is a option to close spell check or some 
 wording like that!
 It is there I've used it!
 HTH Colin.
 
 -original message-
 Subject: Re: Spellchecker and mail question
 From: Sarai Bucciarelli bucc7...@bellsouth.net
 Date: 29/04/2011 04:40
 
 Nope, that sends the message for me.
 On Apr 28, 2011, at 7:57 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Have you tried pressing escape? That always works for me when I'm 
 spellchecking something and want to see the context.
 
 Brandon
 
 On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 
 Hi guys:
 I have my mail to spellcheck before sending; however if I cannot 
 understand the misspelled word, or want to read it in the sentence, or 
 manually enter in a correction, I cannot exit spell checker without 
 sending the message. Is there a way to exit without sending?
 
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Re: Spellchecker and mail question

[Zachary Kline]

I believe this is the way Mail is supposed to work.  I personally use 
cmd-semi-colon to do my spell checking before I send a message.  It isn't as 
full-featured as the dialog, but it gets the job done.  You could use cmd-colon 
just as easily.
Best,
Zack.
On May 1, 2011, at 7:48 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

 Hi:
 Do you think this is a bug with Vo, iMail, or just the way it is supposed to 
 work?
 On May 1, 2011, at 6:08 PM, Robert Nelson wrote:
 
 Dear Sarai,
 
 I was able to confirm your experience with the inability of being able to 
 close the Spell Check Window without having the message being sent.
 
 If you change the settings in the Mail Preferences window, under the compose 
 pane, you  should be able to cure the problem.   there are three selections 
 in the pop up spell check window.  One is Never.  the second is While 
 typing.  The third isUpon pressing the send button.If you change the 
 spell check to either Never or While Typing you will be  able to  close 
 the window by  either command-w or VO-ESCAPE..
 
 Once you do that  you may bring the Spell check back up by pressing 
 SHIFT-COMMAND-SEMICOLON or if the  misspelled word is  selected, 
 
 I hope  this helps.
 
 Sincerely Yours,
 robert Nelson
 you may use the shortcut menu VO-SHIFT-M.
 On May 1, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 
 Thanks, but no luck.On May 1, 2011, at 12:45 PM, 
 velocity.focu...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 Hi there!
 Sorry I've been out of the loop!
 I'm not on my Mac, so saying this from memorie!
 So when you are at a word to check and you do not want it to send!
 Open vo+shift+m and in there is a option to close spell check or some 
 wording like that!
 It is there I've used it!
 HTH Colin.
 
 -original message-
 Subject: Re: Spellchecker and mail question
 From: Sarai Bucciarelli bucc7...@bellsouth.net
 Date: 29/04/2011 04:40
 
 Nope, that sends the message for me.
 On Apr 28, 2011, at 7:57 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Have you tried pressing escape? That always works for me when I'm 
 spellchecking something and want to see the context.
 
 Brandon
 
 On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 
 Hi guys:
 I have my mail to spellcheck before sending; however if I cannot 
 understand the misspelled word, or want to read it in the sentence, or 
 manually enter in a correction, I cannot exit spell checker without 
 sending the message. Is there a way to exit without sending?
 
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Spellchecker and mail question

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi guys:
I have my mail to spellcheck before sending; however if I cannot understand the 
misspelled word, or want to read it in the sentence, or manually enter in a 
correction, I cannot exit spell checker without sending the message. Is there a 
way to exit without sending?

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Re: Spellchecker and mail question

[Brandon Olivares]

Hi,

Have you tried pressing escape? That always works for me when I'm spellchecking 
something and want to see the context.

Brandon

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 I have my mail to spellcheck before sending; however if I cannot understand 
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Re: Spellchecker and mail question

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Nope, that sends the message for me.
On Apr 28, 2011, at 7:57 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Have you tried pressing escape? That always works for me when I'm 
 spellchecking something and want to see the context.
 
 Brandon
 
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 Hi guys:
 I have my mail to spellcheck before sending; however if I cannot understand 
 the misspelled word, or want to read it in the sentence, or manually enter 
 in a correction, I cannot exit spell checker without sending the message. Is 
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ipad and mail question again

[Denise Avant]

hello all,
i think i have solved some of my mail issues on the ipad. however, i notice 
when i open mail and look at the various e-mails i hear vo say dismiss popup. i 
have never seen this on the iphone, and am wondering what's going on. i have 
also heard vo indicate that a webpage is loading, though i have not even open 
safari on my ipad yet.
thanks.

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Re: ipad and mail question again

[Bryan Jones]

Hi Denise,

Apple and some other developers have written some Apps such as Mail to present 
things a little differently on the iPad than on the iPhone or iTouch. One of 
the differences is the use of popup windows on the iPad. These popup windows 
present lists of choices and other information that might not currently be 
displayed on the screen. They are sort of like menus in the Mac OS or Windows. 
When you open a popup it covers part of the current screen and blocks access to 
whatever part of the screen it happens to be covering. To use the Mail App as 
an example, If I am holding the ipad in landscape mode with home button to the 
right and the mail app open, I will normally have two columns, the left column 
containing the list of mailboxes or messages, and the right column containing 
the body of the currently selected mail message. If I change the orientation of 
the iPad to portrait with home button at the bottom, I will now have just one 
column and it contains the body of the current mail message. In portrait mode, 
if I want to navigate mailboxes or messages I can double-tap the top left 
button and this will open a popup window over top of part of the current mail 
message. I can then navigate the list of mailboxes and / or messages in that 
popup window and when I've found what I want I can double-tap outside of the 
popup window to close it or, to use Apple's term, dismiss popup.. This is 
just one small example of the use of popup windows on the ipad, but hopefully 
it gives you a better understanding.

Regarding the issue of VO telling you a web page is loading, when and where is 
this happening? If it's within a mail message, my initial thought is that 
perhaps this would be caused if mail is set to load images automatically. You 
might try turning off that feature by going to Settings / Mail, Contacts, 
Calendar / Load Remote Images and toggling it off.

HTH,
Bryan

On Apr 4, 2011, at 6:26 AM, Denise Avant wrote:
 i think i have solved some of my mail issues on the ipad. however, i notice 
 when i open mail and look at the various e-mails i hear vo say dismiss popup. 
 i have never seen this on the iphone, and am wondering what's going on. i 
 have also heard vo indicate that a webpage is loading, though i have not even 
 open safari on my ipad yet.
 thanks.

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Re: ipad and mail question again

[Frank Carmickle]

Hi

On Apr 4, 2011, at 7:30 AM, Bryan Jones wrote:
Snip...

 Regarding the issue of VO telling you a web page is loading, when and where 
 is this happening? If it's within a mail message, my initial thought is that 
 perhaps this would be caused if mail is set to load images automatically. You 
 might try turning off that feature by going to Settings / Mail, Contacts, 
 Calendar / Load Remote Images and toggling it off.
 
In IOS 4.3 any time you open a mail message that has an attachment it says web 
page loaded.  This includes messages that are html.

HTH
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