Re: iBooks Newbie Question: How to scroll? Continuous reading?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Sandie. I believe I see that I can write my own notes, but
that's not the kind of notes I'm talking about. I'm talking about author
provided notes that may be explanatory, or may simply be detailed
citations to sources. In print these are usually indicated by a
superscript number at the end of the sentence to which the note applies.
Hearing these read out as though they are part of the primary narrative
text content can become highly disruptive when there are lots of them,
especially lots of the citation kind. Some texts become virtually
unreadable.

In the days of audio cassette books there weren't other options. To
still have no good options, despite our DAISY standards defining useful
behavior requirements 25 years ago is really outrageous, imo.

Best,

Janina

sandie JazminKruse writes:
>  i do  believe that you can associate notes with the container part of the 
> application if that makes sense
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On 22 Oct 2022, at 03.20, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi All:
> > In iBooks I get the opening line, but cant's seem to scroll the actual 
> > content.
> > 
> > It imagine there's a way to scroll, perhaps even move by word and
> > character. What about continuous reading--which I expect is just some
> > kind of timed auto scrolling? That would be the best in some situations
> > and I expect I'd use it a lot.
> > 
> > Lastly, is there any intelligence in the iBooks user agent for handling
> > notes? Whether footnotes, or in line notes? Sometimes I'd like to see
> > them. Other times, I'd like to auto-skip them; but hearing some kind of
> > audio sonicon to indicate one exists would be very helpful.
> > 
> > We scoped this kind of ebook requirement during the development of
> > ANSI/NISO Z39-86 back in the late 1990s. I'm still not seeing it on any
> > player, and that has me upset. 25 years is a long time to wait for a
> > feature like this that's so important in academic reading.
> > 
> > Thanks for any pointers.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
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Re: iBooks Newbie Question: How to scroll? Continuous reading?

[sandie JazminKruse]

 i do  believe that you can associate notes with the container part of the 
application if that makes sense

Sent from my iPhone

> On 22 Oct 2022, at 03.20, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi All:
> In iBooks I get the opening line, but cant's seem to scroll the actual 
> content.
> 
> It imagine there's a way to scroll, perhaps even move by word and
> character. What about continuous reading--which I expect is just some
> kind of timed auto scrolling? That would be the best in some situations
> and I expect I'd use it a lot.
> 
> Lastly, is there any intelligence in the iBooks user agent for handling
> notes? Whether footnotes, or in line notes? Sometimes I'd like to see
> them. Other times, I'd like to auto-skip them; but hearing some kind of
> audio sonicon to indicate one exists would be very helpful.
> 
> We scoped this kind of ebook requirement during the development of
> ANSI/NISO Z39-86 back in the late 1990s. I'm still not seeing it on any
> player, and that has me upset. 25 years is a long time to wait for a
> feature like this that's so important in academic reading.
> 
> Thanks for any pointers.
> 
> Janina
> 
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Re: iBooks question

['Larry Honaker' via MacVisionaries]

Good idea; thanks.

Larry W. Honaker

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(Psalm 119:105 KJV)


> On Jan 8, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Dennis Westphal  
> wrote:
> 
> After the Text you want to copy is read press VO+Shift+c. That will copy the 
> last spoken otterance to the clipboard. 
> 
>> Am 08.01.2021 um 20:31 schrieb 'Larry Honaker' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Is there a way to copy pieces of text from a purchased book in the iBooks 
>> App?
>> 
>> I can understand the principle of not being able to copy the entire book; 
>> however, if you are studying material you are trying to learn, copying small 
>> sections would be most helpful.
>> 
>> Any thoughts out there.
>> 
>> Larry W. Honaker
>> 
>> kc8...@icloud.com
>> 
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>> (Psalm 119:105 KJV)
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Re: iBooks question

[Dennis Westphal]

After the Text you want to copy is read press VO+Shift+c. That will copy the 
last spoken otterance to the clipboard. 

> Am 08.01.2021 um 20:31 schrieb 'Larry Honaker' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Is there a way to copy pieces of text from a purchased book in the iBooks App?
> 
> I can understand the principle of not being able to copy the entire book; 
> however, if you are studying material you are trying to learn, copying small 
> sections would be most helpful.
> 
> Any thoughts out there.
> 
> Larry W. Honaker
> 
> kc8...@icloud.com
> 
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> (Psalm 119:105 KJV)
> 
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Re: iBooks

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Michael,
I experienced this as well. What usually helped was closing iBooks completely 
even from the App Switcher. After reopening it worked as expected.
All the best
Jürgen


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 10.06.2019 um 13:53 schrieb Michael Busboom :
> 
> Hello.
> 
> I, too, use the Books app on my iPhone XR and am very satisfied.  The only 
> really frustrating issue for me (or it was frustrating when I last 
> encountered it about a year ago) is that it is very difficult, though 
> possible, to use the app when the screen is locked.  With Voice Dream Reader, 
> you can lock the screen and the book keeps being read aloud.  However, when I 
> tried locking the screen while the reading of an iBook was in progress, 
> reading stopped.  I couldn’t make this work with the Books app, even though I 
> had turned „Speak screen“ on.
> 
> Best regards and happy reading!
> 
> Mike 
> 
> 
>> On 10.06.2019, at 08:25, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ben,
>>  
>> Books on the iPhone works very very well.
>>  
>> I use it on my iPhone and iPods all the time.
>>  
>> I’ve not had any issues with it at all.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Ben Constantini
>> Sent: Monday, 10 June 2019 4:04 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iBooks
>>  
>> Thanks Anne , I just  tried it on my mac with an old book I had purchased  
>> awhile back and it seemed to work okay . I am anxious to see how it works on 
>> my iPhone xr .
>>  
>> Thanks again , 
>> Ben Constantini
>> bennnyconstant...@gmail.com
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 9, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>  
>> Hello Ben,
>>  
>> Both on the Mac and on iOS, iBooks is now just called Books. On iOS, it’s 
>> very easy to use, rather less so on the Mac.
>> Cheers,
>>  
>> Anne
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On 9 Jun 2019, at 17:25, N2KPV  wrote:
>>  
>> I was wondering if anyone uses Ibooks and how accessible it is with 
>> voiceOver . I saw  a book I am interested in and was considering purchasing 
>> it .  I remember a few years back having trouble navigating  it . Hopefully 
>> it has gotten better .
>>  
>> Thanks in advance , Ben C.
>>  
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Re: iBooks

[Michael Busboom]

Hello.

I, too, use the Books app on my iPhone XR and am very satisfied.  The only 
really frustrating issue for me (or it was frustrating when I last encountered 
it about a year ago) is that it is very difficult, though possible, to use the 
app when the screen is locked.  With Voice Dream Reader, you can lock the 
screen and the book keeps being read aloud.  However, when I tried locking the 
screen while the reading of an iBook was in progress, reading stopped.  I 
couldn’t make this work with the Books app, even though I had turned „Speak 
screen“ on.

Best regards and happy reading!

Mike 


> On 10.06.2019, at 08:25, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ben,
>  
> Books on the iPhone works very very well.
>  
> I use it on my iPhone and iPods all the time.
>  
> I’ve not had any issues with it at all.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Ben Constantini
> Sent: Monday, 10 June 2019 4:04 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: iBooks
>  
> Thanks Anne , I just  tried it on my mac with an old book I had purchased  
> awhile back and it seemed to work okay . I am anxious to see how it works on 
> my iPhone xr .
>  
> Thanks again , 
> Ben Constantini
> bennnyconstant...@gmail.com <mailto:bennnyconstant...@gmail.com>
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On Jun 9, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Anne Robertson  <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:
>  
> Hello Ben,
>  
> Both on the Mac and on iOS, iBooks is now just called Books. On iOS, it’s 
> very easy to use, rather less so on the Mac.
> Cheers,
>  
> Anne
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On 9 Jun 2019, at 17:25, N2KPV  <mailto:bennnyconstant...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> I was wondering if anyone uses Ibooks and how accessible it is with voiceOver 
> . I saw  a book I am interested in and was considering purchasing it .  I 
> remember a few years back having trouble navigating  it . Hopefully it has 
> gotten better .
>  
> Thanks in advance , Ben C.
>  
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RE: iBooks

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Ben,

Books on the iPhone works very very well.

I use it on my iPhone and iPods all the time.

I’ve not had any issues with it at all.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Ben Constantini
Sent: Monday, 10 June 2019 4:04 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iBooks

Thanks Anne , I just  tried it on my mac with an old book I had purchased  
awhile back and it seemed to work okay . I am anxious to see how it works on my 
iPhone xr .

Thanks again ,
Ben Constantini
bennnyconstant...@gmail.com<mailto:bennnyconstant...@gmail.com>




On Jun 9, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Anne Robertson 
mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:

Hello Ben,

Both on the Mac and on iOS, iBooks is now just called Books. On iOS, it’s very 
easy to use, rather less so on the Mac.
Cheers,

Anne





On 9 Jun 2019, at 17:25, N2KPV 
mailto:bennnyconstant...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I was wondering if anyone uses Ibooks and how accessible it is with voiceOver . 
I saw  a book I am interested in and was considering purchasing it .  I 
remember a few years back having trouble navigating  it . Hopefully it has 
gotten better .

Thanks in advance , Ben C.

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RE: iBooks

[Simon Fogarty]

Do you mean on the computer or books on the IOS platform?

If on an iPad or iPhone then fantastically accessible
I use it all the time.

If on the mac OS platform then I can’t really say as I don’t use it but I’d bee 
surprised if it wasn’t accessible


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I was wondering if anyone uses Ibooks and how accessible it is with voiceOver . 
I saw  a book I am interested in and was considering purchasing it .  I 
remember a few years back having trouble navigating  it . Hopefully it has 
gotten better .

Thanks in advance , Ben C.
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Re: iBooks

[Ben Constantini]

Thanks Anne , I just  tried it on my mac with an old book I had purchased  
awhile back and it seemed to work okay . I am anxious to see how it works on my 
iPhone xr .

Thanks again , 
Ben Constantini
bennnyconstant...@gmail.com



> On Jun 9, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
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> Hello Ben,
> 
> Both on the Mac and on iOS, iBooks is now just called Books. On iOS, it’s 
> very easy to use, rather less so on the Mac.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
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Re: iBooks

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Ben,

Both on the Mac and on iOS, iBooks is now just called Books. On iOS, it’s very 
easy to use, rather less so on the Mac.
Cheers,

Anne




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Re: Ibooks on Ipad mini and braille.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I can try that out.
SO thanks very very much for your help.
/A
> On 09 Apr 2016, at 04:02, Michelle's Home Emails  
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> Hi Anders, 
> 
> Michelle Stevens here, 
> 
> Not sure if my advise is any good for answering your question?  
> 
> On the IPhone I use Braille display with iBooks all the time.  
> 
> To change pages I use the right rocker button on my focus 14.  To go top of 
> page 
> I use space bar and dots 123 and arrow until I get to the text. If you are a 
> quick Braille reader I sometimes use second and third fingers swipe down 
> screen to read pages continuously without stoping.  It is easy to loose your 
> spot because VO is reading quickly. 
> 
> Good luck 
> 
> Michelle 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 9 Apr 2016, at 1:51 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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>> Hi!
>> Is it possible to skip the pages chocer in Ibooks and read continuously with 
>> a braille display?
>> Its very frustrating to have to choke around and select next page and then 
>> go back and start reading again.
>> /A
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RE: Ibooks on Ipad mini and braille.

[M. Taylor]

Hello Michelle, et al, 

You can set iOS 9.x to automatically turn pages as you pan the Braille display. 
 To do this:

1.
>From the Settings menu, select General.

2.
Select Accessibility.

3.
Select VoiceOver.

4.
Select Braille.

5.
Set the "Turn Pages When Panning" option to "ON".

Now, as you pan, the page will turn, automatically.

I have not explored OS X to see if such an option exist.  For the most part, I 
only read iBooks, via Braille, in iOS.

Mark

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Hi Anders, 

Michelle Stevens here, 

Not sure if my advise is any good for answering your question?  

On the IPhone I use Braille display with iBooks all the time.  

To change pages I use the right rocker button on my focus 14.  To go top of 
page I use space bar and dots 123 and arrow until I get to the text. If you are 
a quick Braille reader I sometimes use second and third fingers swipe down 
screen to read pages continuously without stoping.  It is easy to loose your 
spot because VO is reading quickly. 

Good luck 

Michelle 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 9 Apr 2016, at 1:51 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
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> Hi!
> Is it possible to skip the pages chocer in Ibooks and read continuously with 
> a braille display?
> Its very frustrating to have to choke around and select next page and then go 
> back and start reading again.
> /A
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Re: Ibooks on Ipad mini and braille.

[Michelle's Home Emails]

Hi Anders, 

Michelle Stevens here, 

Not sure if my advise is any good for answering your question?  

On the IPhone I use Braille display with iBooks all the time.  

To change pages I use the right rocker button on my focus 14.  To go top of 
page 
I use space bar and dots 123 and arrow until I get to the text. If you are a 
quick Braille reader I sometimes use second and third fingers swipe down screen 
to read pages continuously without stoping.  It is easy to loose your spot 
because VO is reading quickly. 

Good luck 

Michelle 

Sent from my iPhone

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> Hi!
> Is it possible to skip the pages chocer in Ibooks and read continuously with 
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Re: ibooks storage?

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi,
Have you tried going into the purchases section in either itunes or the ibook 
store and redownloading them?

I am out of suggestions if this doesn’t work..
Cait

> On Mar 16, 2016, at 1:32 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> What about if you have lost yorur iPod and the books both audio and e books 
> from it, as well as you've reimaged your computer and the books haven't 
> updated back to your iiTunes account.
> 
> How do I get my books back into my account as I've paid for them 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
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> Subject: Re: ibooks storage?
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> Hello Caitlyn,
> Here’s where to find your iBooks:
> ~/Library/Containers/com.apple.BKAgentService/Data/Documents/iBooks/
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> Unfortunately, the names are not meaningful and the file type is epub.
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Re: ibooks storage?

[Anne Robertson]

I don’t like iBooks and rarely buy them. I prefer to buy from Kobo. The Kobo 
app works fine on my iPhone, less well on an iPad, and on the Mac, Adobe 
Digital Editions reads Kobo books. Adobe Digital Editions puts a folder in the 
Documents folder and the files have meaningful names. Also, Kobo books are 
usually cheaper than iBooks.
I prefer Kobo to Kindle since I can’t read Kindle books on my Mac.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 17 Mar 2016, at 16:23, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Thanks to the new iBooks storage location, it’s now very hard to back up your 
> stuff.  In prior days, Books was just a folder in your iTunes media folder, 
> which could be anywhere on your drive or on another file system altogether.  
> My advice is to keep a separate Books folder somewhere with all the PDFs and 
> third-party ePub books you bought.  You can then add those back to iBooks.  
> Download the rest of it from within iBooks itself.  And of course the one 
> sanctioned approach to backing up iBooks, one by one, requires drag and drop, 
> can’t be done from the keyboard, and doesn’t work at all with VoiceOver.
> 
> I wish Apple weren’t so damned determined to promote their own walled garden 
> at the expense of everything and everyone else any time they come out with 
> their latest new tat. It’s hateful. iBooks for Mac just makes me want to go 
> back to Windows sometimes, because it’s not at all clear to me what the value 
> proposition is for Mac users. This was clearly another product of the 
> iOSification of OS X.
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Re: ibooks storage?

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Thanks to the new iBooks storage location, it’s now very hard to back up your 
stuff.  In prior days, Books was just a folder in your iTunes media folder, 
which could be anywhere on your drive or on another file system altogether.  My 
advice is to keep a separate Books folder somewhere with all the PDFs and 
third-party ePub books you bought.  You can then add those back to iBooks.  
Download the rest of it from within iBooks itself.  And of course the one 
sanctioned approach to backing up iBooks, one by one, requires drag and drop, 
can’t be done from the keyboard, and doesn’t work at all with VoiceOver.

I wish Apple weren’t so damned determined to promote their own walled garden at 
the expense of everything and everyone else any time they come out with their 
latest new tat. It’s hateful. iBooks for Mac just makes me want to go back to 
Windows sometimes, because it’s not at all clear to me what the value 
proposition is for Mac users. This was clearly another product of the 
iOSification of OS X.

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Re: ibooks storage?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I use Ibooks but only on the Iphone as i want to read them in braille.
And braille on the mac is not working very well for me.
/A
> 17 mars 2016 kl. 18:24 skrev Anne Robertson :
> 
> I don’t like iBooks and rarely buy them. I prefer to buy from Kobo. The Kobo 
> app works fine on my iPhone, less well on an iPad, and on the Mac, Adobe 
> Digital Editions reads Kobo books. Adobe Digital Editions puts a folder in 
> the Documents folder and the files have meaningful names. Also, Kobo books 
> are usually cheaper than iBooks.
> I prefer Kobo to Kindle since I can’t read Kindle books on my Mac.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 17 Mar 2016, at 16:23, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks to the new iBooks storage location, it’s now very hard to back up 
>> your stuff.  In prior days, Books was just a folder in your iTunes media 
>> folder, which could be anywhere on your drive or on another file system 
>> altogether.  My advice is to keep a separate Books folder somewhere with all 
>> the PDFs and third-party ePub books you bought.  You can then add those back 
>> to iBooks.  Download the rest of it from within iBooks itself.  And of 
>> course the one sanctioned approach to backing up iBooks, one by one, 
>> requires drag and drop, can’t be done from the keyboard, and doesn’t work at 
>> all with VoiceOver.
>> 
>> I wish Apple weren’t so damned determined to promote their own walled garden 
>> at the expense of everything and everyone else any time they come out with 
>> their latest new tat. It’s hateful. iBooks for Mac just makes me want to go 
>> back to Windows sometimes, because it’s not at all clear to me what the 
>> value proposition is for Mac users. This was clearly another product of the 
>> iOSification of OS X.
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RE: ibooks storage?

[Simon Fogarty]

What about if you have lost yorur iPod and the books both audio and e books 
from it, as well as you've reimaged your computer and the books haven't updated 
back to your iiTunes account.

How do I get my books back into my account as I've paid for them 


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Subject: Re: ibooks storage?

Hello Caitlyn,
Here’s where to find your iBooks:
~/Library/Containers/com.apple.BKAgentService/Data/Documents/iBooks/


Unfortunately, the names are not meaningful and the file type is epub.

Cheers,

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Re: ibooks storage?

[Caitlyn Furness]

Wow, thanks, Ann!
Caitlyn

> On Mar 14, 2016, at 3:50 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Caitlyn,
> Here’s where to find your iBooks:
> ~/Library/Containers/com.apple.BKAgentService/Data/Documents/iBooks/
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, the names are not meaningful and the file type is epub.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
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Re: ibooks storage?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Caitlyn,
Here’s where to find your iBooks:
~/Library/Containers/com.apple.BKAgentService/Data/Documents/iBooks/


Unfortunately, the names are not meaningful and the file type is epub.

Cheers,

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Re: iBooks issue

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Gary,

VO-s and VO-p both work for me, as do the commands for next sentence and next 
paragraph. One thing I just checked, my mouse pointer is sitting on my desktop, 
so have you got your mouse pointer following your VO Cursor and keyboard focus? 
If so, try setting the mouse pointer to ignore the other cursors. I always have 
this setting as I find that the mouse can destabilise VoiceOver.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 10 Mar 2016, at 18:15, Gary <gary.robl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> How did you get VO to read a sentence or paragraph?  I tried VO + S, and VO + 
> P, and neither worked for me.
> Gary
> 
>> On Mar 10, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk 
>> <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Donna,
>> 
>> Like you, I can read with iBooks on my Mac with no trouble. However, a 
>> couple of things worth noting:
>> Having pressed VO-Space on a book title, I often have to turn VoiceOver off 
>> and back on again to be able to navigate;
>> The text area is to the right of the Previous Page button and it always goes 
>> busy for a short while before I can interact with it and read the book;
>> Quick Nav does not work in iBooks.
>> 
>> I can read by character, word, line, sentence or paragraph, but not by page. 
>> Read All works fine.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10 Mar 2016, at 15:44, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com 
>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I haven't followed this thread from the beginning, but I'm surprised.  I 
>>> agree that the IOS app is much better, but on my Mac iBooks works 
>>> reasonably well.  At least mostly.  The interface is kind of clunky, and I 
>>> get more busy messages than I would like, but I have no problem reading 
>>> book content.  I can read either by line, or just use VO-A to read 
>>> continuously.  Odd that my experience would be different from that of so 
>>> many of you.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Mar 10, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Gary,
>>>>  
>>>> I tried, just as you, to use IBooks on the mac a while back, as I was told 
>>>> it worked really well.  There is a possibility that in Yosemite, it did.  
>>>> I confess that I never tried it prior to El Capitan.  I found almost 
>>>> identically the same results as you.  I could read a majority of the 
>>>> interface of the app, but the book content itself, regardless the book 
>>>> loaded, wouldn't read hardly at all.
>>>>  
>>>> I should add that this isn't the case on I O S.  On I O S, it works 
>>>> beautifully.  I did report this to Apple, but I never really followed up 
>>>> with them about it, as reading IBooks from the mac isn't really something 
>>>> I'd normally wish to do.  I'd prefer to just use my phone, or IPad and do 
>>>> it.  That however said, I definitely can confirm that I am  able to 
>>>> reproduce your issues.
>>>>  
>>>> Chris.
>>>>  
>>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>>> From: Gary <mailto:gary.robl...@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:10 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: iBooks issue
>>>>> 
>>>>> I recently installed El Capitan and hadn’t used iBooks yet, but tried it 
>>>>> just now.
>>>>> When I opened iBooks, I went to the book shelf table with my list of 
>>>>> books and interacted with it.  I didn’t see another window/table with the 
>>>>> contents, so I double-click on my book, to open it.  A window opened, but 
>>>>> VO only dinged when I tried to move around.  I had to turn VO off and on 
>>>>> in order to read the book.  If I interacted with the scroll area, I could 
>>>>> only read my book a line at a time, but if I didn’t interact with it, VO 
>>>>> would read all the text continuously.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gary
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 9:48 PM, Juan Hernandez <juanhernande...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:juanhernande...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>

Re: iBooks issue

[Gary]

How did you get VO to read a sentence or paragraph?  I tried VO + S, and VO + 
P, and neither worked for me.
Gary

> On Mar 10, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna,
> 
> Like you, I can read with iBooks on my Mac with no trouble. However, a couple 
> of things worth noting:
> Having pressed VO-Space on a book title, I often have to turn VoiceOver off 
> and back on again to be able to navigate;
> The text area is to the right of the Previous Page button and it always goes 
> busy for a short while before I can interact with it and read the book;
> Quick Nav does not work in iBooks.
> 
> I can read by character, word, line, sentence or paragraph, but not by page. 
> Read All works fine.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 10 Mar 2016, at 15:44, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com 
>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I haven't followed this thread from the beginning, but I'm surprised.  I 
>> agree that the IOS app is much better, but on my Mac iBooks works reasonably 
>> well.  At least mostly.  The interface is kind of clunky, and I get more 
>> busy messages than I would like, but I have no problem reading book content. 
>>  I can read either by line, or just use VO-A to read continuously.  Odd that 
>> my experience would be different from that of so many of you.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Mar 10, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Gary,
>>>  
>>> I tried, just as you, to use IBooks on the mac a while back, as I was told 
>>> it worked really well.  There is a possibility that in Yosemite, it did.  I 
>>> confess that I never tried it prior to El Capitan.  I found almost 
>>> identically the same results as you.  I could read a majority of the 
>>> interface of the app, but the book content itself, regardless the book 
>>> loaded, wouldn't read hardly at all.
>>>  
>>> I should add that this isn't the case on I O S.  On I O S, it works 
>>> beautifully.  I did report this to Apple, but I never really followed up 
>>> with them about it, as reading IBooks from the mac isn't really something 
>>> I'd normally wish to do.  I'd prefer to just use my phone, or IPad and do 
>>> it.  That however said, I definitely can confirm that I am  able to 
>>> reproduce your issues.
>>>  
>>> Chris.
>>>  
>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>> From: Gary <mailto:gary.robl...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:10 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: iBooks issue
>>>> 
>>>> I recently installed El Capitan and hadn’t used iBooks yet, but tried it 
>>>> just now.
>>>> When I opened iBooks, I went to the book shelf table with my list of books 
>>>> and interacted with it.  I didn’t see another window/table with the 
>>>> contents, so I double-click on my book, to open it.  A window opened, but 
>>>> VO only dinged when I tried to move around.  I had to turn VO off and on 
>>>> in order to read the book.  If I interacted with the scroll area, I could 
>>>> only read my book a line at a time, but if I didn’t interact with it, VO 
>>>> would read all the text continuously.
>>>> 
>>>> Gary
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 9:48 PM, Juan Hernandez <juanhernande...@gmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:juanhernande...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I wanted to know if people are having issues with iBooks?  When I open a 
>>>>> book, I can’t seem to read it.  I place focus on the text, and interact 
>>>>> with it.  but it makes iBooks go busy, or even restart/ lockup some.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m fully updated on my ox x 10.11.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If anyone has any ideas I’d really appreciate it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best
>>>>> 
>>>>> Juan
>>>>> Juan Hernandez
>>>>> Email:  juanhernande...@gmail.com <mailto:juanhernande...@gmail.com>
>>>>> Mobile:  (619) 750-9431
>>>>> Twitter:  https://www.twitter.com/blindwiz 
>>>>> <https://www.twitter.com/blindwiz&g

Re: iBooks issue

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Anne,

I don't use Quicknav, so I wouldn't have figured that out.  I have had the same 
experience you write about when clicking on a book title.  I have been able to 
move around by pages, but not in a way that is consistent.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Mar 10, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna,
> 
> Like you, I can read with iBooks on my Mac with no trouble. However, a couple 
> of things worth noting:
> Having pressed VO-Space on a book title, I often have to turn VoiceOver off 
> and back on again to be able to navigate;
> The text area is to the right of the Previous Page button and it always goes 
> busy for a short while before I can interact with it and read the book;
> Quick Nav does not work in iBooks.
> 
> I can read by character, word, line, sentence or paragraph, but not by page. 
> Read All works fine.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 10 Mar 2016, at 15:44, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com 
>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I haven't followed this thread from the beginning, but I'm surprised.  I 
>> agree that the IOS app is much better, but on my Mac iBooks works reasonably 
>> well.  At least mostly.  The interface is kind of clunky, and I get more 
>> busy messages than I would like, but I have no problem reading book content. 
>>  I can read either by line, or just use VO-A to read continuously.  Odd that 
>> my experience would be different from that of so many of you.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Mar 10, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Gary,
>>>  
>>> I tried, just as you, to use IBooks on the mac a while back, as I was told 
>>> it worked really well.  There is a possibility that in Yosemite, it did.  I 
>>> confess that I never tried it prior to El Capitan.  I found almost 
>>> identically the same results as you.  I could read a majority of the 
>>> interface of the app, but the book content itself, regardless the book 
>>> loaded, wouldn't read hardly at all.
>>>  
>>> I should add that this isn't the case on I O S.  On I O S, it works 
>>> beautifully.  I did report this to Apple, but I never really followed up 
>>> with them about it, as reading IBooks from the mac isn't really something 
>>> I'd normally wish to do.  I'd prefer to just use my phone, or IPad and do 
>>> it.  That however said, I definitely can confirm that I am  able to 
>>> reproduce your issues.
>>>  
>>> Chris.
>>>  
>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>> From: Gary <mailto:gary.robl...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:10 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: iBooks issue
>>>> 
>>>> I recently installed El Capitan and hadn’t used iBooks yet, but tried it 
>>>> just now.
>>>> When I opened iBooks, I went to the book shelf table with my list of books 
>>>> and interacted with it.  I didn’t see another window/table with the 
>>>> contents, so I double-click on my book, to open it.  A window opened, but 
>>>> VO only dinged when I tried to move around.  I had to turn VO off and on 
>>>> in order to read the book.  If I interacted with the scroll area, I could 
>>>> only read my book a line at a time, but if I didn’t interact with it, VO 
>>>> would read all the text continuously.
>>>> 
>>>> Gary
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 9:48 PM, Juan Hernandez <juanhernande...@gmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:juanhernande...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I wanted to know if people are having issues with iBooks?  When I open a 
>>>>> book, I can’t seem to read it.  I place focus on the text, and interact 
>>>>> with it.  but it makes iBooks go busy, or even restart/ lockup some.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m fully updated on my ox x 10.11.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If anyone has any ideas I’d really appreciate it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best
>>>>> 
>>>>> Juan
>>>>> Juan Hernandez
>>>>> Email:  juanhernande...@gmail.com <mailto:juanhernande...@gmail.com>
>>>>> Mobile:  (619) 750-9431
>&g

Re: iBooks issue

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Donna,

Like you, I can read with iBooks on my Mac with no trouble. However, a couple 
of things worth noting:
Having pressed VO-Space on a book title, I often have to turn VoiceOver off and 
back on again to be able to navigate;
The text area is to the right of the Previous Page button and it always goes 
busy for a short while before I can interact with it and read the book;
Quick Nav does not work in iBooks.

I can read by character, word, line, sentence or paragraph, but not by page. 
Read All works fine.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 10 Mar 2016, at 15:44, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I haven't followed this thread from the beginning, but I'm surprised.  I 
> agree that the IOS app is much better, but on my Mac iBooks works reasonably 
> well.  At least mostly.  The interface is kind of clunky, and I get more busy 
> messages than I would like, but I have no problem reading book content.  I 
> can read either by line, or just use VO-A to read continuously.  Odd that my 
> experience would be different from that of so many of you.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Mar 10, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Gary,
>>  
>> I tried, just as you, to use IBooks on the mac a while back, as I was told 
>> it worked really well.  There is a possibility that in Yosemite, it did.  I 
>> confess that I never tried it prior to El Capitan.  I found almost 
>> identically the same results as you.  I could read a majority of the 
>> interface of the app, but the book content itself, regardless the book 
>> loaded, wouldn't read hardly at all.
>>  
>> I should add that this isn't the case on I O S.  On I O S, it works 
>> beautifully.  I did report this to Apple, but I never really followed up 
>> with them about it, as reading IBooks from the mac isn't really something 
>> I'd normally wish to do.  I'd prefer to just use my phone, or IPad and do 
>> it.  That however said, I definitely can confirm that I am  able to 
>> reproduce your issues.
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>>> - Original Message ----- 
>>> From: Gary <mailto:gary.robl...@gmail.com>
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:10 AM
>>> Subject: Re: iBooks issue
>>> 
>>> I recently installed El Capitan and hadn’t used iBooks yet, but tried it 
>>> just now.
>>> When I opened iBooks, I went to the book shelf table with my list of books 
>>> and interacted with it.  I didn’t see another window/table with the 
>>> contents, so I double-click on my book, to open it.  A window opened, but 
>>> VO only dinged when I tried to move around.  I had to turn VO off and on in 
>>> order to read the book.  If I interacted with the scroll area, I could only 
>>> read my book a line at a time, but if I didn’t interact with it, VO would 
>>> read all the text continuously.
>>> 
>>> Gary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 9:48 PM, Juan Hernandez <juanhernande...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:juanhernande...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello All,
>>>> 
>>>> I wanted to know if people are having issues with iBooks?  When I open a 
>>>> book, I can’t seem to read it.  I place focus on the text, and interact 
>>>> with it.  but it makes iBooks go busy, or even restart/ lockup some.
>>>> 
>>>> I’m fully updated on my ox x 10.11.
>>>> 
>>>> If anyone has any ideas I’d really appreciate it.
>>>> 
>>>> Best
>>>> 
>>>> Juan
>>>> Juan Hernandez
>>>> Email:  juanhernande...@gmail.com <mailto:juanhernande...@gmail.com>
>>>> Mobile:  (619) 750-9431
>>>> Twitter:  https://www.twitter.com/blindwiz 
>>>> <https://www.twitter.com/blindwiz>
>>>> Facebook:   
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/blindwiz <https://www.facebook.com/blindwiz>
>>>> website:  http://www.juanhernandez.me 
>>>>  <http://www.juanhernandez.me/>
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Re: iBooks issue

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

I haven't followed this thread from the beginning, but I'm surprised.  I agree 
that the IOS app is much better, but on my Mac iBooks works reasonably well.  
At least mostly.  The interface is kind of clunky, and I get more busy messages 
than I would like, but I have no problem reading book content.  I can read 
either by line, or just use VO-A to read continuously.  Odd that my experience 
would be different from that of so many of you.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Mar 10, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Gary,
>  
> I tried, just as you, to use IBooks on the mac a while back, as I was told it 
> worked really well.  There is a possibility that in Yosemite, it did.  I 
> confess that I never tried it prior to El Capitan.  I found almost 
> identically the same results as you.  I could read a majority of the 
> interface of the app, but the book content itself, regardless the book 
> loaded, wouldn't read hardly at all.
>  
> I should add that this isn't the case on I O S.  On I O S, it works 
> beautifully.  I did report this to Apple, but I never really followed up with 
> them about it, as reading IBooks from the mac isn't really something I'd 
> normally wish to do.  I'd prefer to just use my phone, or IPad and do it.  
> That however said, I definitely can confirm that I am  able to reproduce your 
> issues.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Gary <mailto:gary.robl...@gmail.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: iBooks issue
>> 
>> I recently installed El Capitan and hadn’t used iBooks yet, but tried it 
>> just now.
>> When I opened iBooks, I went to the book shelf table with my list of books 
>> and interacted with it.  I didn’t see another window/table with the 
>> contents, so I double-click on my book, to open it.  A window opened, but VO 
>> only dinged when I tried to move around.  I had to turn VO off and on in 
>> order to read the book.  If I interacted with the scroll area, I could only 
>> read my book a line at a time, but if I didn’t interact with it, VO would 
>> read all the text continuously.
>> 
>> Gary
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 9:48 PM, Juan Hernandez <juanhernande...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:juanhernande...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> I wanted to know if people are having issues with iBooks?  When I open a 
>>> book, I can’t seem to read it.  I place focus on the text, and interact 
>>> with it.  but it makes iBooks go busy, or even restart/ lockup some.
>>> 
>>> I’m fully updated on my ox x 10.11.
>>> 
>>> If anyone has any ideas I’d really appreciate it.
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> 
>>> Juan
>>> Juan Hernandez
>>> Email:  juanhernande...@gmail.com <mailto:juanhernande...@gmail.com>
>>> Mobile:  (619) 750-9431
>>> Twitter:  https://www.twitter.com/blindwiz 
>>> <https://www.twitter.com/blindwiz>
>>> Facebook:   
>>> https://www.facebook.com/blindwiz <https://www.facebook.com/blindwiz>
>>> website:  http://www.juanhernandez.me 
>>>  <http://www.juanhernandez.me/>
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Re: iBooks issue

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Gary,

I tried, just as you, to use IBooks on the mac a while back, as I was told it 
worked really well.  There is a possibility that in Yosemite, it did.  I 
confess that I never tried it prior to El Capitan.  I found almost identically 
the same results as you.  I could read a majority of the interface of the app, 
but the book content itself, regardless the book loaded, wouldn't read hardly 
at all.

I should add that this isn't the case on I O S.  On I O S, it works 
beautifully.  I did report this to Apple, but I never really followed up with 
them about it, as reading IBooks from the mac isn't really something I'd 
normally wish to do.  I'd prefer to just use my phone, or IPad and do it.  That 
however said, I definitely can confirm that I am  able to reproduce your issues.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Gary 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:10 AM
  Subject: Re: iBooks issue


  I recently installed El Capitan and hadn’t used iBooks yet, but tried it just 
now.
  When I opened iBooks, I went to the book shelf table with my list of books 
and interacted with it.  I didn’t see another window/table with the contents, 
so I double-click on my book, to open it.  A window opened, but VO only dinged 
when I tried to move around.  I had to turn VO off and on in order to read the 
book.  If I interacted with the scroll area, I could only read my book a line 
at a time, but if I didn’t interact with it, VO would read all the text 
continuously.


  Gary






On Mar 9, 2016, at 9:48 PM, Juan Hernandez <juanhernande...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


Hello All,


I wanted to know if people are having issues with iBooks?  When I open a 
book, I can’t seem to read it.  I place focus on the text, and interact with 
it.  but it makes iBooks go busy, or even restart/ lockup some.


I’m fully updated on my ox x 10.11.


If anyone has any ideas I’d really appreciate it.


Best


Juan

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Re: iBooks issue

[Gary]

I recently installed El Capitan and hadn’t used iBooks yet, but tried it just 
now.
When I opened iBooks, I went to the book shelf table with my list of books and 
interacted with it.  I didn’t see another window/table with the contents, so I 
double-click on my book, to open it.  A window opened, but VO only dinged when 
I tried to move around.  I had to turn VO off and on in order to read the book. 
 If I interacted with the scroll area, I could only read my book a line at a 
time, but if I didn’t interact with it, VO would read all the text continuously.

Gary



> On Mar 9, 2016, at 9:48 PM, Juan Hernandez  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I wanted to know if people are having issues with iBooks?  When I open a 
> book, I can’t seem to read it.  I place focus on the text, and interact with 
> it.  but it makes iBooks go busy, or even restart/ lockup some.
> 
> I’m fully updated on my ox x 10.11.
> 
> If anyone has any ideas I’d really appreciate it.
> 
> Best
> 
> Juan
> Juan Hernandez
> Email:  juanhernande...@gmail.com 
> Mobile:  (619) 750-9431
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Re: iBooks issue

[Blee Blat]

Yup. Same here. Works lovely in iOS but OS X iBooks is a useless waste of disk 
space. Someone said it could be internet issues but that's not the case here 
since speed test shows I'm actually getting slightly more throughput than 
advertised by the ISP. So I think they've just broken something.

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Re: iBooks still unusable after clean install

[David Griffith]

On Windows I use QRead and as far as I can tell preserves structure fine 
for the purposes I have used it for.
Control H will bring up a navigable list of headings in any book or 
magazine and this is my main method of navigation.


I will put it on my VM Ware Fusion image of Win 7 as a mac alternatibve 
to iBooks for now.
I used to use Stanza on the Mac.  Unfortunately Stanza does not seem to 
support  modern epub file on the Mac any more though it stills handles 
mobi files OK as long as you install the legacy Java stuff when prompted.
This is a work around for the RNIB Talking Newspaper service as stuff is 
available as mobi as well as epub from that library.


David Griffith
06/02/2016 20:35, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

Yes, clean installs are best done clean.  It’s a pain, but it’s always worth 
doing the clean part.  There will be corrupt preferences and long-dead traces 
of previous crashes or other problems that would be swept up by simply cloning 
the Library folders.

 From what you’re saying, though, it sounds like your investments of time are 
best elsewhere.  To be honest, I rarely use iBooks for OS X for reading at all. 
 You only need it to set up your book library for iTunes to sync to your 
iDevices.  If I could opt out of that, and have my books back in my media 
folder (which is not on my boot device) you can be sure that I would.

What, out of interest, do you use for ePub on Windows?  Anything that preserves 
structure?



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Re: iBooks still unusable after clean install

[Donna Goodin]

I have just tried using iBooks for the first time as well.  I know this may 
seem like a sort of basic suggestion, but the first time I opened iBooks, I had 
the same problem.  I closed and reopened the app, and now the problem has gone 
away.  You might give that a try.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Feb 7, 2016, at 11:18 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I have just tried using iBooks for the first time, so I need to add a couple 
> things to my library. You might want to try trashing all preferences that 
> start with com.apple.ibooks and see if that helps.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
>> On Feb 6, 2016, at 04:13, David Griffith  wrote:
>> 
>> Ever since I upgraded to El Kapitan I have found iBooks on OS unusable with 
>> constant busy messages ehen whenever I try to interact with the text scroll 
>> area. .
>> I took advice and did a complete clean install of El Kapitan.
>> 
>> Unfortunately this has not produced any improvement and I have exactly the 
>> same issues as when I had simply upgraded over Yosemite.
>> 
>> I have a 2011 iMac with 16 GB of Ram and a solid state primary hard disc. No 
>> other part of the OS, as far as I can tell so far is producing any lag.
>> I am using the Alex voice.
>> 
>> It seems puzzingly that some of us are reporting no issues whilst others 
>> appear to have exactly the same problem I have.
>> 
>> Could I first of all confirm if anybody else, like me, has this problem even 
>> after a complete clean install?
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
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Re: iBooks still unusable after clean install

[Jonathan Cohn]

I have just tried using iBooks for the first time, so I need to add a couple 
things to my library. You might want to try trashing all preferences that start 
with com.apple.ibooks and see if that helps.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

> On Feb 6, 2016, at 04:13, David Griffith  wrote:
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> Ever since I upgraded to El Kapitan I have found iBooks on OS unusable with 
> constant busy messages ehen whenever I try to interact with the text scroll 
> area. .
> I took advice and did a complete clean install of El Kapitan.
> 
> Unfortunately this has not produced any improvement and I have exactly the 
> same issues as when I had simply upgraded over Yosemite.
> 
> I have a 2011 iMac with 16 GB of Ram and a solid state primary hard disc. No 
> other part of the OS, as far as I can tell so far is producing any lag.
> I am using the Alex voice.
> 
> It seems puzzingly that some of us are reporting no issues whilst others 
> appear to have exactly the same problem I have.
> 
> Could I first of all confirm if anybody else, like me, has this problem even 
> after a complete clean install?
> 
> David Griffith
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Re: iBooks still unusable after clean install

[David Griffith]

Yes this is what is happening with me but based on this feedback I may 
have to do an ultra clean install.


The problem may be that after the install I migrated my apps and 
settings across to the new install from Time  machine as it is a real 
pain retrieving and entering all the non app store app licenses.
 Also my printer driver setup requires me to pay for sighted help as 
well.  As everything else is working as expected so far I might have to 
consider whether iBooks is really worth having to dlete all my settings 
accounts and so on to set everything up from scratch.


 I may just rely on Windows for ePub.

David Griffith

On 06/02/2016 12:54, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

Although I think iBooks for Mac is really quite horrible, an unfinished 
counterpart to its far-superior iOS version, I didn’t have any trouble using 
it.  Once you interact with the scroll area, you can stay interacted with it, 
and even continuous read, and it will plough through the book, overcoming any 
navigational boundary.

Is this really not what you have? Damn. :(



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Re: iBooks still unusable after clean install

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Yes, clean installs are best done clean.  It’s a pain, but it’s always worth 
doing the clean part.  There will be corrupt preferences and long-dead traces 
of previous crashes or other problems that would be swept up by simply cloning 
the Library folders.

>From what you’re saying, though, it sounds like your investments of time are 
>best elsewhere.  To be honest, I rarely use iBooks for OS X for reading at 
>all.  You only need it to set up your book library for iTunes to sync to your 
>iDevices.  If I could opt out of that, and have my books back in my media 
>folder (which is not on my boot device) you can be sure that I would.

What, out of interest, do you use for ePub on Windows?  Anything that preserves 
structure?

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Re: iBooks still unusable after clean install

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Although I think iBooks for Mac is really quite horrible, an unfinished 
counterpart to its far-superior iOS version, I didn’t have any trouble using 
it.  Once you interact with the scroll area, you can stay interacted with it, 
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Is this really not what you have? Damn. :(

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Re: ibooks is driving me crazy

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Hello Andrew,

When I open iBooks, there is a toolbar at the top left of the window, and to 
the right of it is Bookshelf scroll area. I interact with this and land on the 
Sort By button. Navigating right, I find a grid of book titles, and if I 
interact with one, I find a button. Pressing VO-Space opens the book.
In this window, there are lots of buttons. Between the Previous Page button and 
the Next Page button is the reading area. If I interact with this, I can press 
VO-a for continuous reading, or use various VO commands to read by sentence, 
paragraph, word, etc. VO-Cmd-h will jump to the next heading, but I find that 
Quick Nav just does not work.

Cheers,

Anne

> On 9 Nov 2015, at 08:56, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> I should clarify that my trouble with ibooks is on the mac not on my ipad or 
> iPhone.  On my mac, iBooks gets constantly busy when I try to read.  There 
> are buttons in the window that should allow you to move to next or previous 
> page but they don't seem to do what they are supposed to.  That is if I 
> manage to get out of the reading area.  And even if I do, Voiceover stops 
> speaking and I don't know where I am.  Also, there is a page picker item in 
> the window.  Once I put Voiceover cursor on it, and then press up and down 
> arrow keys, Voiceover reports the numbers of the pages changing.  So I assume 
> it's a page picker thing.  But when I get back to the text area to resume 
> reading in a new location I have just chosen, I'm still in the old location.  
> And then the busy problem starts again.  I have installed El Capitan from 
> scratch so it can't be the installation over the old system that's causing it.
> 
> I'm writing to the list about this to make sure it is not just me before I 
> report it to Accessibility.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 8 Nov 2015, at 22:26, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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>> iBooks is very annoying by nature, but it’s not nonfunctional—at least, not 
>> by Apple’s present-day standards.  It sounds like you’re having a right time 
>> of it, though, and there’s probably something wrong in your particular 
>> installation.
>> 
>> At the very least, can you explore the main window and press on the “Get 
>> Started” button?
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Re: ibooks is driving me crazy

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iBooks is very annoying by nature, but it’s not nonfunctional—at least, not by 
Apple’s present-day standards.  It sounds like you’re having a right time of 
it, though, and there’s probably something wrong in your particular 
installation.

At the very least, can you explore the main window and press on the “Get 
Started” button?

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Re: ibooks is driving me crazy

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Yeah I can get menus but that's it. The reading area is always busy. Have I got 
something misconfigured on OS X? Are there certain settings for accessibility. 
I read all the ibooks on iphone because it reads flawlessly but the same level 
of access on os x would be lovely.  

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Re: ibooks is driving me crazy

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi Anne,

Thank you for responding.  The thing is that I can't find the preferences where 
I could set the reading to two pages or whatever other option there may be.  I 
can go to the menu bar with vo+m but I can't arrow down the menus.  I'm just so 
surprise;surprised.

Andrew
> On 8 Nov 2015, at 19:39, Anne Robertson  wrote:
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> For me, iBooks in Mac OS X El Capitán, iBooks is working OK. I have it set to 
> 2 pages and can either read using VO-a or by sentence, paragraph, etc.
> 
> In fact, I much prefer Adobe Digital Editions on the Mac, and Kobo on the 
> iPhone to read eBooks. Besides, living in France, there are lots of English 
> language iBooks I can’t get. I don’t have this problem with either Kobo or 
> Kindle.
> For about a year, the latest versions of Kobo for iOS weren’t accessible, but 
> they’ve fixed most of the problems now.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
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>> Yeah I can get menus but that's it. The reading area is always busy. Have I 
>> got something misconfigured on OS X? Are there certain settings for 
>> accessibility. I read all the ibooks on iphone because it reads flawlessly 
>> but the same level of access on os x would be lovely.  
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Re: ibooks is driving me crazy

[Blee Blat]

Ok, I have a few PDF's that I've just been using preview for. How is Adobe 
Digital Editions different? And how is Kobo different than Kindle or iBooks. 
I'm not a huge fan of Kindle because a lot of the books I'd like to read are 
only on free sample.
 But iBooks on the phone is lovely if I could just get the app store to stop 
signing in and out every reboot it'd be lovely too but restoring the phone did 
not fix that but that's another thread it's only related to this one because I 
had to click thrice to buy a book yesterday. :)

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Re: ibooks is driving me crazy

[Anne Robertson]

For me, iBooks in Mac OS X El Capitán, iBooks is working OK. I have it set to 2 
pages and can either read using VO-a or by sentence, paragraph, etc.

In fact, I much prefer Adobe Digital Editions on the Mac, and Kobo on the 
iPhone to read eBooks. Besides, living in France, there are lots of English 
language iBooks I can’t get. I don’t have this problem with either Kobo or 
Kindle.
For about a year, the latest versions of Kobo for iOS weren’t accessible, but 
they’ve fixed most of the problems now.

Cheers,

Anne


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> but the same level of access on os x would be lovely.  
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Re: ibooks is driving me crazy

[Eileen Scrivani]

If you can access the table of contents, I believe you must choose the page 
from the TOC in El Capitan.  But, I forget how you get to the reading area.  
Before I went back to Yosemite, if I remember correctly, it would always skip 
back to a previous page where I had a book mark set.  

HTH.

Eileen


From: Andrew Lamanche 
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Subject: ibooks is driving me crazy

Hi,

I don't seem to be able to work out anything in ibooks under El Capitan.

I can't open any menus, I can't find preferences, I don't seem to be able to 
read books or change pages in a book, please help!  This is desperate.  I feel 
so helpless.  Ibooks gets busy very often when I land on the reading area which 
it doesn't report anyway.  How do I go from page to page if I want to skip 
pages, or chapter to chapter?

Many thanks, in frustration

Andrew

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Re: ibooks is driving me crazy

[Anne Robertson]

Adobe Digital Editions works for reading PDFs but you don’t have the same 
ability to read by character, word, line, etc. I use it for reading DRM 
protected books from Kobo since the Kobo application doesn’t work on Mac.
Kobo for iOS works pretty well except for turning pages to get to where you 
left off in a chapter. For that, you have to turn VoiceOver off and do a 
one-finger swipe left to turn a page.
It stops reading at the end of a chapter, at which point you double-tap on an 
item labelled iPad Scrubber Arrows to the right of Location in Book. It says 
iPad whether you read on an iPad or an iPhone.
For the Library, it has to be organised by title, as the list of books by 
author is not accessible.
I really need to write a user guide for Applevis. Oh yes, and Braille works 
fine with Kobo.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 8 Nov 2015, at 23:32, Blee Blat  wrote:
> 
> Ok, I have a few PDF's that I've just been using preview for. How is Adobe 
> Digital Editions different? And how is Kobo different than Kindle or iBooks. 
> I'm not a huge fan of Kindle because a lot of the books I'd like to read are 
> only on free sample.
> But iBooks on the phone is lovely if I could just get the app store to stop 
> signing in and out every reboot it'd be lovely too but restoring the phone 
> did not fix that but that's another thread it's only related to this one 
> because I had to click thrice to buy a book yesterday. :)
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Re: ibooks is driving me crazy

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

I should clarify that my trouble with ibooks is on the mac not on my ipad or 
iPhone.  On my mac, iBooks gets constantly busy when I try to read.  There are 
buttons in the window that should allow you to move to next or previous page 
but they don't seem to do what they are supposed to.  That is if I manage to 
get out of the reading area.  And even if I do, Voiceover stops speaking and I 
don't know where I am.  Also, there is a page picker item in the window.  Once 
I put Voiceover cursor on it, and then press up and down arrow keys, Voiceover 
reports the numbers of the pages changing.  So I assume it's a page picker 
thing.  But when I get back to the text area to resume reading in a new 
location I have just chosen, I'm still in the old location.  And then the busy 
problem starts again.  I have installed El Capitan from scratch so it can't be 
the installation over the old system that's causing it.

I'm writing to the list about this to make sure it is not just me before I 
report it to Accessibility.

Andrew
> On 8 Nov 2015, at 22:26, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> iBooks is very annoying by nature, but it’s not nonfunctional—at least, not 
> by Apple’s present-day standards.  It sounds like you’re having a right time 
> of it, though, and there’s probably something wrong in your particular 
> installation.
> 
> At the very least, can you explore the main window and press on the “Get 
> Started” button?
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Re: iBooks with the Mac and iPhone6

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi, 

that’s really interesting. I’m reading a technical book for a class that I am 
taking and I believe I have better control over the iBook app on my Mac. Once I 
get to a page, I interact with it using VO-Shift-down arrow and I’m able to 
down arrow (line-by-line) or other smaller increments. It seems that in iBooks 
on the phone, I need to move my finger with constant contact on the screen to 
move line-by-line. Flicking from left-to-right only moves me to different 
objects on the page and then I lose my place. I also have this manual on my New 
Generation Victor Stream, which I have the most control over. I found out last 
night that there are 5 different levels  on the Stream that I can select from, 
besides navigating by character, word, line, sentence, etc. Go figure it. 

Best, 
Eileen 
> On Sep 29, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> One thing i seem to not figure out is if there’s a table of contents i can 
> interact with that and lick the wanted item but sometimes it seems not to 
> work.
> Reading is also easier on the phone to me.
> /A
>> 29 sep. 2015 kl. 03:27 skrev Eileen Misrahi :
>> 
>> Hello, 
>> 
>> Thanks for responding. I decided to Google it and came up with some results 
>> and ideas. So here goes: 
>> 
>> On the Mac, open iBooks and go to its preferences by pressing Command-comma. 
>> 2. Select the general tab with VO-space and stop interacting with it by 
>> pressing VO-Shift-Up Arrow.
>> 3. Tab a few times until you hear “Sync.” The next tab will be a checkbox. 
>> Press VO-space on it. this checkbox is to “Sync bookmarks, highlights, and 
>> collections across all devices.” That’s it for the Mac. 
>> 
>> iOS:
>> 1. Open settings-iBooks and flick until you hear VO say “Sync.” This is a 
>> checkbox. Mine was not checked. Use VO-space to check it. 
>> 2. Close out the settings menu. 
>> 
>> I opened iBooks on both the Mac and iPhone. I did find that the app on the 
>> phone had a link to go back to 431. I did tap on the search button. The text 
>> edit field accepted page numbers. The firs line of page 432 was read by VO. 
>> I single finger double tap on it and I was moved to that page. I hope this 
>> helps. 
>> 
>> Best, 
>> Eileen 
>>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I did try it but it doesn’t seem to work here.
>>> BUt maybe my mac is a bit to old.
>>> /A
 29 sep. 2015 kl. 01:11 skrev Eileen Misrahi :
 
 Hello Folks, 
 
 I decided to take the plunge and post this topic here. With so much 
 discussion about the appropriateness of subject matter this one involves 
 both the Mac and iOS device. 
 
 I have a textbook downloaded into iBooks on both my MacBook Air 2013 and 
 my iPhone6. Is there anyway to obtain a hand off effect between the 2 
 devices? I mainly use iBooks on the Mac for better control of iBooks, but 
 I need to perform some exercises with it,so I opened the book in iBooks on 
 my phone. However, I needed to use the picker about 250 flicks to get to 
 the page I needed to view in order to have access to the directions. Is 
 there a “Go To Page” in the iPhone app so I don’t have to flick so much 
 and to increase efficiency? Is there a sync feature between the 2 versions 
 that would import the bookmarks and current page being viewed? This would 
 be terrific to have the 2 versions of iBooks communicate between each 
 other in order to expedite the process. I look forward to your responses. 
 
 Kind regards, 
 Eileen 
 
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Re: iBooks with the Mac and iPhone6

[Mary Otten]

Hi Eileen,
Back in the good old days, it used to be possible to navigate within an iBook 
page buy whatever you had your rotor set two, such as lines. Then that lovely 
setting went away. I know that I have asked Apple accessibility after every 
iBooks upgrade to get this put back. Thus far, they have not done it. I wish 
everyone who uses iBooks and who would like to be able to navigate within an 
iBook page by using the rotor would write to accessibility at apple and let 
them know that you would like this feature restored as soon as possible. It 
really was so helpful, and why they thought they needed to take it away and 
haven't put it back I have no idea.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2015, at 7:59 AM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> that’s really interesting. I’m reading a technical book for a class that I am 
> taking and I believe I have better control over the iBook app on my Mac. Once 
> I get to a page, I interact with it using VO-Shift-down arrow and I’m able to 
> down arrow (line-by-line) or other smaller increments. It seems that in 
> iBooks on the phone, I need to move my finger with constant contact on the 
> screen to move line-by-line. Flicking from left-to-right only moves me to 
> different objects on the page and then I lose my place. I also have this 
> manual on my New Generation Victor Stream, which I have the most control 
> over. I found out last night that there are 5 different levels  on the Stream 
> that I can select from, besides navigating by character, word, line, 
> sentence, etc. Go figure it. 
> 
> Best, 
> Eileen 
>> On Sep 29, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> One thing i seem to not figure out is if there’s a table of contents i can 
>> interact with that and lick the wanted item but sometimes it seems not to 
>> work.
>> Reading is also easier on the phone to me.
>> /A
>>> 29 sep. 2015 kl. 03:27 skrev Eileen Misrahi :
>>> 
>>> Hello, 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for responding. I decided to Google it and came up with some results 
>>> and ideas. So here goes: 
>>> 
>>> On the Mac, open iBooks and go to its preferences by pressing 
>>> Command-comma. 
>>> 2. Select the general tab with VO-space and stop interacting with it by 
>>> pressing VO-Shift-Up Arrow.
>>> 3. Tab a few times until you hear “Sync.” The next tab will be a checkbox. 
>>> Press VO-space on it. this checkbox is to “Sync bookmarks, highlights, and 
>>> collections across all devices.” That’s it for the Mac. 
>>> 
>>> iOS:
>>> 1. Open settings-iBooks and flick until you hear VO say “Sync.” This is a 
>>> checkbox. Mine was not checked. Use VO-space to check it. 
>>> 2. Close out the settings menu. 
>>> 
>>> I opened iBooks on both the Mac and iPhone. I did find that the app on the 
>>> phone had a link to go back to 431. I did tap on the search button. The 
>>> text edit field accepted page numbers. The firs line of page 432 was read 
>>> by VO. I single finger double tap on it and I was moved to that page. I 
>>> hope this helps. 
>>> 
>>> Best, 
>>> Eileen 
 On Sep 28, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi!
 I did try it but it doesn’t seem to work here.
 BUt maybe my mac is a bit to old.
 /A
> 29 sep. 2015 kl. 01:11 skrev Eileen Misrahi :
> 
> Hello Folks, 
> 
> I decided to take the plunge and post this topic here. With so much 
> discussion about the appropriateness of subject matter this one involves 
> both the Mac and iOS device. 
> 
> I have a textbook downloaded into iBooks on both my MacBook Air 2013 and 
> my iPhone6. Is there anyway to obtain a hand off effect between the 2 
> devices? I mainly use iBooks on the Mac for better control of iBooks, but 
> I need to perform some exercises with it,so I opened the book in iBooks 
> on my phone. However, I needed to use the picker about 250 flicks to get 
> to the page I needed to view in order to have access to the directions. 
> Is there a “Go To Page” in the iPhone app so I don’t have to flick so 
> much and to increase efficiency? Is there a sync feature between the 2 
> versions that would import the bookmarks and current page being viewed? 
> This would be terrific to have the 2 versions of iBooks communicate 
> between each other in order to expedite the process. I look forward to 
> your responses. 
> 
> Kind regards, 
> Eileen 
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Re: iBooks with the Mac and iPhone6

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
One thing i seem to not figure out is if there’s a table of contents i can 
interact with that and lick the wanted item but sometimes it seems not to work.
Reading is also easier on the phone to me.
/A
> 29 sep. 2015 kl. 03:27 skrev Eileen Misrahi :
> 
> Hello, 
> 
> Thanks for responding. I decided to Google it and came up with some results 
> and ideas. So here goes: 
> 
> On the Mac, open iBooks and go to its preferences by pressing Command-comma. 
> 2. Select the general tab with VO-space and stop interacting with it by 
> pressing VO-Shift-Up Arrow.
> 3. Tab a few times until you hear “Sync.” The next tab will be a checkbox. 
> Press VO-space on it. this checkbox is to “Sync bookmarks, highlights, and 
> collections across all devices.” That’s it for the Mac. 
> 
> iOS:
> 1. Open settings-iBooks and flick until you hear VO say “Sync.” This is a 
> checkbox. Mine was not checked. Use VO-space to check it. 
> 2. Close out the settings menu. 
> 
> I opened iBooks on both the Mac and iPhone. I did find that the app on the 
> phone had a link to go back to 431. I did tap on the search button. The text 
> edit field accepted page numbers. The firs line of page 432 was read by VO. I 
> single finger double tap on it and I was moved to that page. I hope this 
> helps. 
> 
> Best, 
> Eileen 
>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I did try it but it doesn’t seem to work here.
>> BUt maybe my mac is a bit to old.
>> /A
>>> 29 sep. 2015 kl. 01:11 skrev Eileen Misrahi :
>>> 
>>> Hello Folks, 
>>> 
>>> I decided to take the plunge and post this topic here. With so much 
>>> discussion about the appropriateness of subject matter this one involves 
>>> both the Mac and iOS device. 
>>> 
>>> I have a textbook downloaded into iBooks on both my MacBook Air 2013 and my 
>>> iPhone6. Is there anyway to obtain a hand off effect between the 2 devices? 
>>> I mainly use iBooks on the Mac for better control of iBooks, but I need to 
>>> perform some exercises with it,so I opened the book in iBooks on my phone. 
>>> However, I needed to use the picker about 250 flicks to get to the page I 
>>> needed to view in order to have access to the directions. Is there a “Go To 
>>> Page” in the iPhone app so I don’t have to flick so much and to increase 
>>> efficiency? Is there a sync feature between the 2 versions that would 
>>> import the bookmarks and current page being viewed? This would be terrific 
>>> to have the 2 versions of iBooks communicate between each other in order to 
>>> expedite the process. I look forward to your responses. 
>>> 
>>> Kind regards, 
>>> Eileen 
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Re: iBooks with the Mac and iPhone6

[Eileen Scrivani]

Hi Eileen M, 

I’ve been doing this same thing with my Mac Book & IPhone 6.  It appears to me 
that the page numbering is not in synch between the 2 devices.  I think it has 
to do with the fact that less material appears on the Iphone’s screen than what 
the Mac Book can show.  I have on the phone tried tapping on the go to page 
button, but that just seems to do weird things to the screen and the way 
reading the book behaves.

I would be interested in knowing if anyone else has a solution to this.

Eileen S. 
From: Eileen Misrahi 
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 7:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: iBooks with the Mac and iPhone6

Hello Folks, 

I decided to take the plunge and post this topic here. With so much discussion 
about the appropriateness of subject matter this one involves both the Mac and 
iOS device. 

I have a textbook downloaded into iBooks on both my MacBook Air 2013 and my 
iPhone6. Is there anyway to obtain a hand off effect between the 2 devices? I 
mainly use iBooks on the Mac for better control of iBooks, but I need to 
perform some exercises with it,so I opened the book in iBooks on my phone. 
However, I needed to use the picker about 250 flicks to get to the page I 
needed to view in order to have access to the directions. Is there a “Go To 
Page” in the iPhone app so I don’t have to flick so much and to increase 
efficiency? Is there a sync feature between the 2 versions that would import 
the bookmarks and current page being viewed? This would be terrific to have the 
2 versions of iBooks communicate between each other in order to expedite the 
process. I look forward to your responses. 

Kind regards, 
Eileen 

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Re: iBooks with the Mac and iPhone6

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I did try it but it doesn’t seem to work here.
BUt maybe my mac is a bit to old.
/A
> 29 sep. 2015 kl. 01:11 skrev Eileen Misrahi :
> 
> Hello Folks, 
> 
> I decided to take the plunge and post this topic here. With so much 
> discussion about the appropriateness of subject matter this one involves both 
> the Mac and iOS device. 
> 
> I have a textbook downloaded into iBooks on both my MacBook Air 2013 and my 
> iPhone6. Is there anyway to obtain a hand off effect between the 2 devices? I 
> mainly use iBooks on the Mac for better control of iBooks, but I need to 
> perform some exercises with it,so I opened the book in iBooks on my phone. 
> However, I needed to use the picker about 250 flicks to get to the page I 
> needed to view in order to have access to the directions. Is there a “Go To 
> Page” in the iPhone app so I don’t have to flick so much and to increase 
> efficiency? Is there a sync feature between the 2 versions that would import 
> the bookmarks and current page being viewed? This would be terrific to have 
> the 2 versions of iBooks communicate between each other in order to expedite 
> the process. I look forward to your responses. 
> 
> Kind regards, 
> Eileen 
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Re: iBooks with the Mac and iPhone6

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello, 

Thanks for responding. I decided to Google it and came up with some results and 
ideas. So here goes: 

On the Mac, open iBooks and go to its preferences by pressing Command-comma. 
2. Select the general tab with VO-space and stop interacting with it by 
pressing VO-Shift-Up Arrow.
3. Tab a few times until you hear “Sync.” The next tab will be a checkbox. 
Press VO-space on it. this checkbox is to “Sync bookmarks, highlights, and 
collections across all devices.” That’s it for the Mac. 

iOS:
1. Open settings-iBooks and flick until you hear VO say “Sync.” This is a 
checkbox. Mine was not checked. Use VO-space to check it. 
2. Close out the settings menu. 

I opened iBooks on both the Mac and iPhone. I did find that the app on the 
phone had a link to go back to 431. I did tap on the search button. The text 
edit field accepted page numbers. The firs line of page 432 was read by VO. I 
single finger double tap on it and I was moved to that page. I hope this helps. 

Best, 
Eileen 
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I did try it but it doesn’t seem to work here.
> BUt maybe my mac is a bit to old.
> /A
>> 29 sep. 2015 kl. 01:11 skrev Eileen Misrahi :
>> 
>> Hello Folks, 
>> 
>> I decided to take the plunge and post this topic here. With so much 
>> discussion about the appropriateness of subject matter this one involves 
>> both the Mac and iOS device. 
>> 
>> I have a textbook downloaded into iBooks on both my MacBook Air 2013 and my 
>> iPhone6. Is there anyway to obtain a hand off effect between the 2 devices? 
>> I mainly use iBooks on the Mac for better control of iBooks, but I need to 
>> perform some exercises with it,so I opened the book in iBooks on my phone. 
>> However, I needed to use the picker about 250 flicks to get to the page I 
>> needed to view in order to have access to the directions. Is there a “Go To 
>> Page” in the iPhone app so I don’t have to flick so much and to increase 
>> efficiency? Is there a sync feature between the 2 versions that would import 
>> the bookmarks and current page being viewed? This would be terrific to have 
>> the 2 versions of iBooks communicate between each other in order to expedite 
>> the process. I look forward to your responses. 
>> 
>> Kind regards, 
>> Eileen 
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Re: iBooks Author

[Caitlyn Furness]

I’d like the correct spelling of the publishing site Sara was talking about, 
please.  I typed inlian publishing and got a big fat zilch!

Thanks,
Caitlyn

 On Jun 22, 2015, at 2:22 AM, Daniela Rubio mabuha...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello!
 Were you able to use the widgets area? At some point, I was trying to use it 
 and I was not able to make out the book layout. It was a big table, but I 
 could not work wit it. Did you actually create a book with it?
 Thanks for all!
 
 Daniela Rubio T
 iPhone: +34662328507
 
 
 
 
 
 El 21/6/2015, a las 21:09, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com 
 mailto:kilbu...@me.com escribió:
 
 Hi,
 
 As far as I recall, it is very accessible.  I used it last year about this 
 time at an Apple Education workshop and was able to use most of the features.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 21, 2015, at 13:03, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com 
 mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 How accessible is iBooks Author for writing and designing iBooks to the 
 iBooks store?
 
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Re: iBooks Author

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Sorry, it was a fairly busy workshop and iBooks Author was only for about 2 
hours or so.  I played around with the controls, entered some data, added some 
audio content and probably a bit more, but didn't actually complete anything.  
Most was usable for me although I do recall some minor frustrations.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 22, 2015, at 00:22, Daniela Rubio mabuha...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello!
Were you able to use the widgets area? At some point, I was trying to use it 
and I was not able to make out the book layout. It was a big table, but I could 
not work wit it. Did you actually create a book with it?
Thanks for all!

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507





 El 21/6/2015, a las 21:09, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com 
 mailto:kilbu...@me.com escribió:
 
 Hi,
 
 As far as I recall, it is very accessible.  I used it last year about this 
 time at an Apple Education workshop and was able to use most of the features.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 21, 2015, at 13:03, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com 
 mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 How accessible is iBooks Author for writing and designing iBooks to the 
 iBooks store?
 
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Re: iBooks Author

[Daniela Rubio]

Hello!
Were you able to use the widgets area? At some point, I was trying to use it 
and I was not able to make out the book layout. It was a big table, but I could 
not work wit it. Did you actually create a book with it?
Thanks for all!

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507





 El 21/6/2015, a las 21:09, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com escribió:
 
 Hi,
 
 As far as I recall, it is very accessible.  I used it last year about this 
 time at an Apple Education workshop and was able to use most of the features.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 21, 2015, at 13:03, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 How accessible is iBooks Author for writing and designing iBooks to the 
 iBooks store?
 
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Re: iBooks Author

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

As far as I recall, it is very accessible.  I used it last year about this time 
at an Apple Education workshop and was able to use most of the features.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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How accessible is iBooks Author for writing and designing iBooks to the iBooks 
store?

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Re: IBooks

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Sorry Tim, I updated the subject line to better reflect.  Hope you don't 
mind.


Wow, you're right though.  That's really interesting.  I wonder why the 
vo+shift+M wouldn't work.  Does it have to do with how things are coded?


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


Hi,

When in iBooks in the Bookshelf table, you can navigate to a specific title, 
press VO-shift-m and get no response.  Press VO-cmd-f5, then ctrl-click and 
the Contextual menu is available.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Can you be more specific of where in IBooks I'll see this?  I confess, 
guilty as charged, I've been meaning on the mac to play with IBooks more, 
but I admittedly haven't even openned it since it became accessible.  Now 
for someone as advanced as I am of a mac user, how sad is that!?  LOL!


Chris.

- Original Message - From: Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


Chris,

VO-shift-m does not work in this situation.  There are a number of apps that 
the VO-shift-m process does not bring up a Contextual menu for us VO users, 
but the physical control-click does.  I often check this as an option since 
I've noticed the lack of consistency.  iBooks is one example where the 
VO-shift-m is unresponsive but the physical ctrl-click does bring up a 
Contextual menu of choices.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:


That seems like a lot of work, Tim.  Can you not just hit vo+shift+M?  Isn't 
that technically the same as  control clicking in most 90 percent cases? 
Please excuse my ignorance if I'm incorrect on this assumption.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


hi,

You can do just what the Help article says.  That is, navigate to the System 
Pref you wish to remove, do not press or VO-space on it.  When focus is on 
the button, use VO-cmd-f5 to bring mouse focus to the VO cursor, then hold 
down the Control key while pressing the mouse or trackpad button.  The 
Contextual menu will appear with the Remove option for you.


HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 12, 2015, at 12:23, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi

If I install a custom System Preferences pain, how can I accessibly 
uninstall it? There's no uninstall button in said pain and the help files on 
Apple say to control right click.



-Shaf

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Re: IBooks

[Tim Kilburn]

Chris,

Yes.  I suspect that the table uses slightly different structure than, let's 
say, a similar table in iTunes.  It's likely a custom element using proper 
accessibility API's but not everything in there meets VO needs.  Just surmising.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 13:06, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Sorry Tim, I updated the subject line to better reflect.  Hope you don't mind.

Wow, you're right though.  That's really interesting.  I wonder why the 
vo+shift+M wouldn't work.  Does it have to do with how things are coded?

Chris.

- Original Message - From: Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


Hi,

When in iBooks in the Bookshelf table, you can navigate to a specific title, 
press VO-shift-m and get no response.  Press VO-cmd-f5, then ctrl-click and the 
Contextual menu is available.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Can you be more specific of where in IBooks I'll see this?  I confess, guilty 
as charged, I've been meaning on the mac to play with IBooks more, but I 
admittedly haven't even openned it since it became accessible.  Now for someone 
as advanced as I am of a mac user, how sad is that!?  LOL!

Chris.

- Original Message - From: Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


Chris,

VO-shift-m does not work in this situation.  There are a number of apps that 
the VO-shift-m process does not bring up a Contextual menu for us VO users, but 
the physical control-click does.  I often check this as an option since I've 
noticed the lack of consistency.  iBooks is one example where the VO-shift-m is 
unresponsive but the physical ctrl-click does bring up a Contextual menu of 
choices.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

That seems like a lot of work, Tim.  Can you not just hit vo+shift+M?  Isn't 
that technically the same as  control clicking in most 90 percent cases? Please 
excuse my ignorance if I'm incorrect on this assumption.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


hi,

You can do just what the Help article says.  That is, navigate to the System 
Pref you wish to remove, do not press or VO-space on it.  When focus is on the 
button, use VO-cmd-f5 to bring mouse focus to the VO cursor, then hold down the 
Control key while pressing the mouse or trackpad button.  The Contextual menu 
will appear with the Remove option for you.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 12, 2015, at 12:23, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi

If I install a custom System Preferences pain, how can I accessibly uninstall 
it? There's no uninstall button in said pain and the help files on Apple say to 
control right click.


-Shaf

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Re: IBooks

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Aa, gotcha.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: IBooks


Chris,

Yes.  I suspect that the table uses slightly different structure than, let's 
say, a similar table in iTunes.  It's likely a custom element using proper 
accessibility API's but not everything in there meets VO needs.  Just 
surmising.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 13:06, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Sorry Tim, I updated the subject line to better reflect.  Hope you don't 
mind.


Wow, you're right though.  That's really interesting.  I wonder why the 
vo+shift+M wouldn't work.  Does it have to do with how things are coded?


Chris.

- Original Message - From: Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


Hi,

When in iBooks in the Bookshelf table, you can navigate to a specific title, 
press VO-shift-m and get no response.  Press VO-cmd-f5, then ctrl-click and 
the Contextual menu is available.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Can you be more specific of where in IBooks I'll see this?  I confess, 
guilty as charged, I've been meaning on the mac to play with IBooks more, 
but I admittedly haven't even openned it since it became accessible.  Now 
for someone as advanced as I am of a mac user, how sad is that!?  LOL!


Chris.

- Original Message - From: Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


Chris,

VO-shift-m does not work in this situation.  There are a number of apps that 
the VO-shift-m process does not bring up a Contextual menu for us VO users, 
but the physical control-click does.  I often check this as an option since 
I've noticed the lack of consistency.  iBooks is one example where the 
VO-shift-m is unresponsive but the physical ctrl-click does bring up a 
Contextual menu of choices.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:


That seems like a lot of work, Tim.  Can you not just hit vo+shift+M?  Isn't 
that technically the same as  control clicking in most 90 percent cases? 
Please excuse my ignorance if I'm incorrect on this assumption.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


hi,

You can do just what the Help article says.  That is, navigate to the System 
Pref you wish to remove, do not press or VO-space on it.  When focus is on 
the button, use VO-cmd-f5 to bring mouse focus to the VO cursor, then hold 
down the Control key while pressing the mouse or trackpad button.  The 
Contextual menu will appear with the Remove option for you.


HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 12, 2015, at 12:23, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi

If I install a custom System Preferences pain, how can I accessibly 
uninstall it? There's no uninstall button in said pain and the help files on 
Apple say to control right click.



-Shaf

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Re: iBooks and Yosemite

[David Griffith]

Depending on whether you are in single or two page view you can navigate 
by single or two pages simply by pressing the up and down arrow keys.
Theoretically I think you should be able to navigate  by chapter with 
shift command left and right arrow from memory but I am not sure about 
this yet as it did not appear to work on one book but that may have been 
a book structure fault.
You can read by normal VO reading keys fore line etc but I cannot find a 
paragraph read equivalent.

Quick Nav rota commands for line paragraph
 word and character and so on do not appear to work. This is a shame.
I am still investigating like you.

David Griffith

On 24/10/2014 07:47, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Hi all
I tried  iBooks last night by opening an Epub document from my iCloud Drive. 
Sure enough, VoiceOver read the book, or at least sporadically anyway, but how 
do I actually navigate the text? Is this even possible? Great to see iBooks 
fully accessible under Yosemite though.
Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks!



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RE: ibooks

[wayne17a]

Hello I tried vo a and all it was read the page twice and then stop and I had 
to use the next page to move on so any help in what I am doing wrong

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Michael Malver
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 2:58 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ibooks

 

I would also like to say thank you. I often consult the list of  voice over 
commands available from the help menu, and I don't remember seeing this one.


On Oct 22, 2014, at 11:37 AM, wayne17a wayne...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello thanks I did not get your last message so thanks I will give that a go 
again thanks

 

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Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 12:11 PM
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Subject: Re: ibooks

 

I replied before as well but obviously you did not see it. VO A is working fine 
for me to produce continuous reading in iBooks.

 

David Griffith. 

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Hello I have asked before about this is there a way to do continuous read on 
the mac thanks in adance

 

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Re: ibooks

[David Griffith]

The normal VO A command appears to be working fine for me on an unprotected 
ePub document.
 I am still experimenting. I had changed to single page view to see if that 
could reduce busy messages when navigating by page but I am not sure if that 
makes difference
David Griffith

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 let me know thanks in advance
 
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Re: ibooks

[David Griffith]

I replied before as well but obviously you did not see it. VO A is working fine 
for me to produce continuous reading in iBooks.

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RE: ibooks

[wayne17a]

Hello thanks I did not get your last message so thanks I will give that a go
again thanks

 

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I replied before as well but obviously you did not see it. VO A is working
fine for me to produce continuous reading in iBooks.

 

David Griffith. 

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Re: ibooks

[Michael Malver]

I would also like to say thank you. I often consult the list of  voice over 
commands available from the help menu, and I don't remember seeing this one.

 On Oct 22, 2014, at 11:37 AM, wayne17a wayne...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello thanks I did not get your last message so thanks I will give that a go 
 again thanks
  
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Re: iBooks and pdf

[Ray Foret Jr]

Nothing.  pdf files are supposed to open in Preview not Ibooks.


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 I’m having trouble opening pdf files in iBooks. When ever I try opening a pdf 
 file in ibooks, it launches preview. I can’t get it to open in iBooks. what 
 am I doing wrong here?
 
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Re: iBooks and pdf

[Faisal]

Ahh okay, I thought that iBooks was able to open pdf files.
 On Oct 21, 2014, at 5:26 PM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Nothing.  pdf files are supposed to open in Preview not Ibooks.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
 
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 what am I doing wrong here?
 
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Re: iBooks and pdf

[Barry Abbott]

Have you tried select ting a PDF file then pressing command iwhich gives you 
information about the file but you can also choose to associate the file with 
an app and continue tabbing to apply the change to all PDF files. For example, 
I have docuscan plus open my PDF files. I'm going to see if I can get it to 
work with iBooks. If the Mac version of iBooks handles PDF files then I don't 
see why this would not work. The advantage of docuscan plus is that it will 
automatically convert PDF image files which is why I chose to use it as my 
default PDF file reader.

Hope this helps.

Barry
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 Nothing.  pdf files are supposed to open in Preview not Ibooks.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
 
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 mailto:newyorkyank...@gmail.com wrote:
 
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 what am I doing wrong here?
 
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RE: iBooks on Yosemite

[wayne17a]

Hello yes ibooks Is good now but how can I continuous read thanks in advance
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ello,
I almost love iBooks now. But! Sometimes it just keeps reading the same page
over again and again. Or it will just stop at the bottom of a page. While in
other books, VO tracks and reads just fine.
Book Marks work also.
`On Oct 17, 2014, at 7:05 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Rumor has it that iBooks is very accessible under Yosemite. I do have a
question. Regarding bookmarks, is it possible now to set a bookmark and get
something meaningful read back to you when you scroll through your list of
bookmarks? I have done this in the past and a cookbook, bookmarking recipe
titles. And to my dismay, when I went back and looked at my list of
bookmarks, all I had were useless page numbers. I am hoping that there has
been an update which will give me text, not a meaningless number, for a
bookmark. Any comments from anyone? Thank you.
 Mary
 
 
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Re: iBooks on Yosemite

[Joseph]

ello,
I almost love iBooks now. But! Sometimes it just keeps reading the same page 
over again and again. Or it will just stop at the bottom of a page. While in 
other books, VO tracks and reads just fine.
Book Marks work also.
`On Oct 17, 2014, at 7:05 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Rumor has it that iBooks is very accessible under Yosemite. I do have a 
 question. Regarding bookmarks, is it possible now to set a bookmark and get 
 something meaningful read back to you when you scroll through your list of 
 bookmarks? I have done this in the past and a cookbook, bookmarking recipe 
 titles. And to my dismay, when I went back and looked at my list of 
 bookmarks, all I had were useless page numbers. I am hoping that there has 
 been an update which will give me text, not a meaningless number, for a 
 bookmark. Any comments from anyone? Thank you.
 Mary
 
 
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Re: iBooks on Yosemite

[Mary Otten]

Hi Joseph,
When you say bookmarks work do you mean that you actually get text with the 
bookmark? Or when you go through your bookmark list, do you just get page 
numbers?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 17, 2014, at 7:10 PM, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 ello,
 I almost love iBooks now. But! Sometimes it just keeps reading the same page 
 over again and again. Or it will just stop at the bottom of a page. While in 
 other books, VO tracks and reads just fine.
 Book Marks work also.
 `On Oct 17, 2014, at 7:05 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Rumor has it that iBooks is very accessible under Yosemite. I do have a 
 question. Regarding bookmarks, is it possible now to set a bookmark and get 
 something meaningful read back to you when you scroll through your list of 
 bookmarks? I have done this in the past and a cookbook, bookmarking recipe 
 titles. And to my dismay, when I went back and looked at my list of 
 bookmarks, all I had were useless page numbers. I am hoping that there has 
 been an update which will give me text, not a meaningless number, for a 
 bookmark. Any comments from anyone? Thank you.
 Mary
 
 
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Re: iBooks on Yosemite

[Joseph]

Hello,
Yep. Book Marks do work. When you set a Mark, then when you go to locate it, it 
will read a bit of the text to let you know what you'v selected.

 On Oct 17, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Joseph,
 When you say bookmarks work do you mean that you actually get text with the 
 bookmark? Or when you go through your bookmark list, do you just get page 
 numbers?
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 17, 2014, at 7:10 PM, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 ello,
 I almost love iBooks now. But! Sometimes it just keeps reading the same page 
 over again and again. Or it will just stop at the bottom of a page. While in 
 other books, VO tracks and reads just fine.
 Book Marks work also.
 `On Oct 17, 2014, at 7:05 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Rumor has it that iBooks is very accessible under Yosemite. I do have a 
 question. Regarding bookmarks, is it possible now to set a bookmark and get 
 something meaningful read back to you when you scroll through your list of 
 bookmarks? I have done this in the past and a cookbook, bookmarking recipe 
 titles. And to my dismay, when I went back and looked at my list of 
 bookmarks, all I had were useless page numbers. I am hoping that there has 
 been an update which will give me text, not a meaningless number, for a 
 bookmark. Any comments from anyone? Thank you.
 Mary
 
 
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Re: Ibooks?

[Caitlyn Furness]

What kind of trouble are you having?
I have been using i books with my braille display and not having too much 
trouble.

I did have to remap the next and previous chapter commands since they conflict 
with the command for highlighting, but that wasn't hard.
Cait

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 Hey there.
 
 I was wondering if anyone has found an easy way to get around Ibooks on the 
 mac yet?
 
 Sadly now I'm definitely stuck having to use it since it's the only place I 
 can find that has books I need for class. *sighs*
 
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Re: Ibooks?

[May McDonald Homuth]

That's the biggest one. How to get it to switch to the next chapter. Sometimes 
when I do the command it works and other times it doesn't and takes at least 6 
tries.

I'm not using a braille display, just voiceover.

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On Aug 28, 2014, at 1:50 PM, Caitlyn Furness caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote:

 What kind of trouble are you having?
 I have been using i books with my braille display and not having too much 
 trouble.
 
 I did have to remap the next and previous chapter commands since they 
 conflict with the command for highlighting, but that wasn't hard.
 Cait
 
 On Aug 28, 2014, at 10:49 AM, May McDonald Homuth m...@canadianlynx.ca 
 wrote:
 
 Hey there.
 
 I was wondering if anyone has found an easy way to get around Ibooks on the 
 mac yet?
 
 Sadly now I'm definitely stuck having to use it since it's the only place I 
 can find that has books I need for class. *sighs*
 
 16 days, 22 hours, 41 minutes
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 www.canadianlynx.ca
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RE: Ibooks?

[M. Taylor]

Hello May,

What I can tell you is that, as the public beta of Yosemite has
demonstrated, is that the soon-to-be-released version of iBooks is
incredibly more VoiceOver accessible.  So, just hang in there for a few more
weeks.  You will not be disappointed.

Mark 



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Subject: Ibooks?

Hey there.

I was wondering if anyone has found an easy way to get around Ibooks on the
mac yet?

Sadly now I'm definitely stuck having to use it since it's the only place I
can find that has books I need for class. *sighs*

16 days, 22 hours, 41 minutes
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www.canadianlynx.ca
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Re: Ibooks?

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi,
when you do the next chapter command, it doesn't say anything.  After I do the 
command for next chapter(in my case, command shift n), I stop interacting with 
the current html area, vo right arrow or just right arrow to the next html 
area, then interact.  that should work.  I haven't yet figured out a quicker 
way, but this is what works for me here.
hth,
Cait

On Aug 28, 2014, at 2:00 PM, May McDonald Homuth m...@canadianlynx.ca wrote:

 That's the biggest one. How to get it to switch to the next chapter. 
 Sometimes when I do the command it works and other times it doesn't and takes 
 at least 6 tries.
 
 I'm not using a braille display, just voiceover.
 
 16 days, 19 hours, 29 minutes
 May and Leader Dog . . .
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 m...@canadianlynx.ca
 
 On Aug 28, 2014, at 1:50 PM, Caitlyn Furness caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 What kind of trouble are you having?
 I have been using i books with my braille display and not having too much 
 trouble.
 
 I did have to remap the next and previous chapter commands since they 
 conflict with the command for highlighting, but that wasn't hard.
 Cait
 
 On Aug 28, 2014, at 10:49 AM, May McDonald Homuth m...@canadianlynx.ca 
 wrote:
 
 Hey there.
 
 I was wondering if anyone has found an easy way to get around Ibooks on the 
 mac yet?
 
 Sadly now I'm definitely stuck having to use it since it's the only place I 
 can find that has books I need for class. *sighs*
 
 16 days, 22 hours, 41 minutes
 May and Leader Dog . . .
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 m...@canadianlynx.ca
 
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Re: Ibooks?

[Barry Hadder]

Hi May,

There are two things about the chapter navigation in iBooks for Mavericks I 
have found that I will explain incase you aren't aware of them.
First, ibooks considers all subsections in a chapter as chapters.  So, even if 
you press command-shift-left or right it will seem to you not to be doing 
anything even though the content being displayed is changing.  You can 
determine what is actually being displayed by routing the mouse to the scroll 
area and reading the content with vo-command-f5.
Second, The next and prior chapter keys will not work for some reason if the 
keyboard focus is in the scroll area or an html content area.  The solution is 
just to get the keyboard focus onto one of the buttons and away from the html 
content.
Hope this helps.

.

 On Aug 28, 2014, at 5:46 PM, May McDonald Homuth m...@canadianlynx.ca wrote:
 
 Yes, I do it that way as well. Sadly as I said it doesn't always jump to the 
 next chapter. It usually takes 6 or 7 tries before finally working.
 
 Thanks for at least letting me know that I'm at least trying the right 
 way...it just doesn't like to cooperate.
 
 16 days, 14 hours, 44 minutes
 May and Leader Dog . . .
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 m...@canadianlynx.ca
 
 On Aug 28, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Caitlyn Furness caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 when you do the next chapter command, it doesn't say anything.  After I do 
 the command for next chapter(in my case, command shift n), I stop 
 interacting with the current html area, vo right arrow or just right arrow 
 to the next html area, then interact.  that should work.  I haven't yet 
 figured out a quicker way, but this is what works for me here.
 hth,
 Cait
 
 On Aug 28, 2014, at 2:00 PM, May McDonald Homuth m...@canadianlynx.ca 
 wrote:
 
 That's the biggest one. How to get it to switch to the next chapter. 
 Sometimes when I do the command it works and other times it doesn't and 
 takes at least 6 tries.
 
 I'm not using a braille display, just voiceover.
 
 16 days, 19 hours, 29 minutes
 May and Leader Dog . . .
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 m...@canadianlynx.ca
 
 On Aug 28, 2014, at 1:50 PM, Caitlyn Furness caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 What kind of trouble are you having?
 I have been using i books with my braille display and not having too much 
 trouble.
 
 I did have to remap the next and previous chapter commands since they 
 conflict with the command for highlighting, but that wasn't hard.
 Cait
 
 On Aug 28, 2014, at 10:49 AM, May McDonald Homuth m...@canadianlynx.ca 
 wrote:
 
 Hey there.
 
 I was wondering if anyone has found an easy way to get around Ibooks on 
 the mac yet?
 
 Sadly now I'm definitely stuck having to use it since it's the only place 
 I can find that has books I need for class. *sighs*
 
 16 days, 22 hours, 41 minutes
 May and Leader Dog . . .
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 m...@canadianlynx.ca
 
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Re: iBooks under latest Mavericks

[Barry Hadder]

Hi Mary,

First of all, the only useful selection in the radio group you mentioned is the 
list.  Nothing else works well with vo.
I'll go over some tricks I've found helpful in reading and navigating a book.  
First, I've found it helpful to turn off cursor tracking as the chapter 
navigation does not work for some reason win focus is in the HTML content.
Next, you can route the mouse to the scroll area and press vo-f5.  This will 
read the book content that is actually being displayed.  Now you can move from 
chapter to chapter with command-shift-left or command-shift-right.  When you do 
this, the displayed content you read with vo-f5 will change.  You can move vo 
directly to the displayed content for reading by routing it to the mouse.  You 
actually could not do this in the first release, but they did fix this.  Also, 
you won't have large chunks of text that vo won't read at all.

I agree with most of your comments about iBooks.  I think it really could and 
should have been better.  I believe that it is currently in the best state that 
it's been in however, and I am able to use it affectively in the way I 
described.  I hope you find something I said useful keeping in mind that while 
the methods work for me presently, there are glitches as always.


On May 21, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:

Having read on one of the lists I'm on, I think this one, but I might be wrong, 
that accessibility to iBooks was somewhat improved with the recent update, I 
have tried to get to grips with it, and have failed completely. When I first 
opened the program, it offered to import my several hundred books, and I said 
yes to that. I have reopened the program, and I have found a series of radio 
buttons that let me select among collections, all books and some other choices 
I don't recall. I picked collections, and I see a table that has my collection 
names in it. If I select one and quit interacting, I see absolutely no 
indication anywhere that I can actually access a list of books, much less open 
one. I've been through the menus with no help. I've been in preferences and 
found nothing useful. There are a few unlabeled buttons that somebody suggested 
were easy to label. I'd like to know how, since there are no hints associated 
with these. All in all, I find this application to be totally frustrating and a 
really bad example of what I thought was Apple's commitment to accessibility. 
Especially since they want iBooks in schools, you'd think they'd have made this 
totally VO accessible. 

So, for those of you who find this application efficiently usable, please tell 
me what I'm missing. Thanks.

Mary
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Re: iBooks under latest Mavericks

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I was just at an Apple Learning Tour event last week and let some of the folks 
see the frustrations with accessibility in some of the apps including iBooks.  
I agree that with Apple's push to have iBooks in the schools, they need to 
continue working on these downfalls.  I'm not making excuses, but, my 
experience says that these things don't happen at the speed of light like we 
would hope for.  Accessibility improvements tend to just gradually happen with 
no real advanced notice, which, of course, is Apple's way with most things.  We 
need to continue expressing the need to have these accessibility issues 
addressed and also continue sharing workarounds as, sometimes, these are the 
things that help people understand and improve on the accessibility issues.

Sorry, not much real help for you here.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 21, 2014, at 10:35 AM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Mary,
 
 First of all, the only useful selection in the radio group you mentioned is 
 the list.  Nothing else works well with vo.
 I'll go over some tricks I've found helpful in reading and navigating a book. 
  First, I've found it helpful to turn off cursor tracking as the chapter 
 navigation does not work for some reason win focus is in the HTML content.
 Next, you can route the mouse to the scroll area and press vo-f5.  This will 
 read the book content that is actually being displayed.  Now you can move 
 from chapter to chapter with command-shift-left or command-shift-right.  When 
 you do this, the displayed content you read with vo-f5 will change.  You can 
 move vo directly to the displayed content for reading by routing it to the 
 mouse.  You actually could not do this in the first release, but they did fix 
 this.  Also, you won't have large chunks of text that vo won't read at all.
 
 I agree with most of your comments about iBooks.  I think it really could and 
 should have been better.  I believe that it is currently in the best state 
 that it's been in however, and I am able to use it affectively in the way I 
 described.  I hope you find something I said useful keeping in mind that 
 while the methods work for me presently, there are glitches as always.
 
 
 On May 21, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Having read on one of the lists I'm on, I think this one, but I might be 
 wrong, that accessibility to iBooks was somewhat improved with the recent 
 update, I have tried to get to grips with it, and have failed completely. 
 When I first opened the program, it offered to import my several hundred 
 books, and I said yes to that. I have reopened the program, and I have found 
 a series of radio buttons that let me select among collections, all books and 
 some other choices I don't recall. I picked collections, and I see a table 
 that has my collection names in it. If I select one and quit interacting, I 
 see absolutely no indication anywhere that I can actually access a list of 
 books, much less open one. I've been through the menus with no help. I've 
 been in preferences and found nothing useful. There are a few unlabeled 
 buttons that somebody suggested were easy to label. I'd like to know how, 
 since there are no hints associated with these. All in all, I find this 
 application to be totally frustrating and a really bad example of what I 
 thought was Apple's commitment to accessibility. Especially since they want 
 iBooks in schools, you'd think they'd have made this totally VO accessible. 
 
 So, for those of you who find this application efficiently usable, please 
 tell me what I'm missing. Thanks.
 
 Mary
 Mary Otten
 motte...@gmail.com
 
 
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Re: iBooks under latest Mavericks

[Mary Otten]

Thanks, Tim and Barry, for your responses. I will give the list view a try. It 
seems to me, and I might be remembering wrongly, that when iBooks first came 
out on iOS, its accessibility was excellent right from the start. Maybe not 
perfect, but very good. In fact, to my way of thinking, it is actually not as 
good as it use to be, since they broke the ability to navigate within a page by 
line using your finger. I know I've discussed that one with the accessibility 
folks on a couple of occasions, and I keep hoping for that feature to come 
back, but it hasn't happened. 

I know accessibility doesn't happen overnight. But they set the bart pretty low 
for themselves with the Mac version of the app.

Is it possible to navigate within a page once you have a book open? i.e. if I 
need to spell a word, go word by word or line by line, can I do that with vo 
plus arrows or other vo commands? Or is it just a deal where you read straight 
through until it quits reading?

Thanks again.

Mary
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Re: iBooks under latest Mavericks

[Mario Navarro]

people only have what they deserve 
... continue to support apple's irresponsibility that she pays you well ... 
like the mavericks update 10.9.3?
apple gave you a handful of nothing wasn't accessibility?
cheers.

As mulheres, durante séculos, serviram de espelho aos homens por possuírem o 
poder mágico e delicioso de reflectirem uma imagem do homem duas vezes maior 
que o natural.
Virginia Woolf

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No dia 21/05/2014, às 18:17, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com escreveu:

 Hi,
 
 I was just at an Apple Learning Tour event last week and let some of the 
 folks see the frustrations with accessibility in some of the apps including 
 iBooks.  I agree that with Apple's push to have iBooks in the schools, they 
 need to continue working on these downfalls.  I'm not making excuses, but, my 
 experience says that these things don't happen at the speed of light like we 
 would hope for.  Accessibility improvements tend to just gradually happen 
 with no real advanced notice, which, of course, is Apple's way with most 
 things.  We need to continue expressing the need to have these accessibility 
 issues addressed and also continue sharing workarounds as, sometimes, these 
 are the things that help people understand and improve on the accessibility 
 issues.
 
 Sorry, not much real help for you here.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On May 21, 2014, at 10:35 AM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Mary,
 
 First of all, the only useful selection in the radio group you mentioned is 
 the list.  Nothing else works well with vo.
 I'll go over some tricks I've found helpful in reading and navigating a 
 book.  First, I've found it helpful to turn off cursor tracking as the 
 chapter navigation does not work for some reason win focus is in the HTML 
 content.
 Next, you can route the mouse to the scroll area and press vo-f5.  This will 
 read the book content that is actually being displayed.  Now you can move 
 from chapter to chapter with command-shift-left or command-shift-right.  
 When you do this, the displayed content you read with vo-f5 will change.  
 You can move vo directly to the displayed content for reading by routing it 
 to the mouse.  You actually could not do this in the first release, but they 
 did fix this.  Also, you won't have large chunks of text that vo won't read 
 at all.
 
 I agree with most of your comments about iBooks.  I think it really could 
 and should have been better.  I believe that it is currently in the best 
 state that it's been in however, and I am able to use it affectively in the 
 way I described.  I hope you find something I said useful keeping in mind 
 that while the methods work for me presently, there are glitches as always.
 
 
 On May 21, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Having read on one of the lists I'm on, I think this one, but I might be 
 wrong, that accessibility to iBooks was somewhat improved with the recent 
 update, I have tried to get to grips with it, and have failed completely. 
 When I first opened the program, it offered to import my several hundred 
 books, and I said yes to that. I have reopened the program, and I have found 
 a series of radio buttons that let me select among collections, all books 
 and some other choices I don't recall. I picked collections, and I see a 
 table that has my collection names in it. If I select one and quit 
 interacting, I see absolutely no indication anywhere that I can actually 
 access a list of books, much less open one. I've been through the menus with 
 no help. I've been in preferences and found nothing useful. There are a few 
 unlabeled buttons that somebody suggested were easy to label. I'd like to 
 know how, since there are no hints associated with these. All in all, I find 
 this application to be totally frustrating and a really bad example of what 
 I thought was Apple's commitment to accessibility. Especially since they 
 want iBooks in schools, you'd think they'd have made this totally VO 
 accessible. 
 
 So, for those of you who find this application efficiently usable, please 
 tell me what I'm missing. Thanks.
 
 Mary
 Mary Otten
 motte...@gmail.com
 
 
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Re: iBooks under latest Mavericks

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Not sure that I understand what's trying to be said here.  Not wanting to open 
up a can of worms but just a little confused.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 21, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Mario Navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:

 
 
 people only have what they deserve 
 ... continue to support apple's irresponsibility that she pays you well ... 
 like the mavericks update 10.9.3?
 apple gave you a handful of nothing wasn't accessibility?
 cheers.
 
 As mulheres, durante séculos, serviram de espelho aos homens por possuírem o 
 poder mágico e delicioso de reflectirem uma imagem do homem duas vezes maior 
 que o natural.
 Virginia Woolf
 
 Mario Navarro
 mario@gmail.com
 
 
 
 No dia 21/05/2014, às 18:17, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com escreveu:
 
 Hi,
 
 I was just at an Apple Learning Tour event last week and let some of the 
 folks see the frustrations with accessibility in some of the apps including 
 iBooks.  I agree that with Apple's push to have iBooks in the schools, they 
 need to continue working on these downfalls.  I'm not making excuses, but, 
 my experience says that these things don't happen at the speed of light like 
 we would hope for.  Accessibility improvements tend to just gradually happen 
 with no real advanced notice, which, of course, is Apple's way with most 
 things.  We need to continue expressing the need to have these accessibility 
 issues addressed and also continue sharing workarounds as, sometimes, these 
 are the things that help people understand and improve on the accessibility 
 issues.
 
 Sorry, not much real help for you here.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On May 21, 2014, at 10:35 AM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Mary,
 
 First of all, the only useful selection in the radio group you mentioned is 
 the list.  Nothing else works well with vo.
 I'll go over some tricks I've found helpful in reading and navigating a 
 book.  First, I've found it helpful to turn off cursor tracking as the 
 chapter navigation does not work for some reason win focus is in the HTML 
 content.
 Next, you can route the mouse to the scroll area and press vo-f5.  This 
 will read the book content that is actually being displayed.  Now you can 
 move from chapter to chapter with command-shift-left or 
 command-shift-right.  When you do this, the displayed content you read with 
 vo-f5 will change.  You can move vo directly to the displayed content for 
 reading by routing it to the mouse.  You actually could not do this in the 
 first release, but they did fix this.  Also, you won't have large chunks of 
 text that vo won't read at all.
 
 I agree with most of your comments about iBooks.  I think it really could 
 and should have been better.  I believe that it is currently in the best 
 state that it's been in however, and I am able to use it affectively in the 
 way I described.  I hope you find something I said useful keeping in mind 
 that while the methods work for me presently, there are glitches as always.
 
 
 On May 21, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Having read on one of the lists I'm on, I think this one, but I might be 
 wrong, that accessibility to iBooks was somewhat improved with the recent 
 update, I have tried to get to grips with it, and have failed completely. 
 When I first opened the program, it offered to import my several hundred 
 books, and I said yes to that. I have reopened the program, and I have 
 found a series of radio buttons that let me select among collections, all 
 books and some other choices I don't recall. I picked collections, and I 
 see a table that has my collection names in it. If I select one and quit 
 interacting, I see absolutely no indication anywhere that I can actually 
 access a list of books, much less open one. I've been through the menus 
 with no help. I've been in preferences and found nothing useful. There are 
 a few unlabeled buttons that somebody suggested were easy to label. I'd 
 like to know how, since there are no hints associated with these. All in 
 all, I find this application to be totally frustrating and a really bad 
 example of what I thought was Apple's commitment to accessibility. 
 Especially since they want iBooks in schools, you'd think they'd have made 
 this totally VO accessible. 
 
 So, for those of you who find this application efficiently usable, please 
 tell me what I'm missing. Thanks.
 
 Mary
 Mary Otten
 motte...@gmail.com
 
 
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   Good question.  I guess it is the interpretation of riddles   


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On May 21, 2014, at 11:00 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Not sure that I understand what's trying to be said here.  Not wanting to 
 open up a can of worms but just a little confused.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On May 21, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Mario Navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
 people only have what they deserve 
 ... continue to support apple's irresponsibility that she pays you well ... 
 like the mavericks update 10.9.3?
 apple gave you a handful of nothing wasn't accessibility?
 cheers.
 
 As mulheres, durante séculos, serviram de espelho aos homens por possuírem o 
 poder mágico e delicioso de reflectirem uma imagem do homem duas vezes maior 
 que o natural.
 Virginia Woolf
 
 Mario Navarro
 mario@gmail.com
 
 
 
 No dia 21/05/2014, às 18:17, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com escreveu:
 
 Hi,
 
 I was just at an Apple Learning Tour event last week and let some of the 
 folks see the frustrations with accessibility in some of the apps including 
 iBooks.  I agree that with Apple's push to have iBooks in the schools, they 
 need to continue working on these downfalls.  I'm not making excuses, but, 
 my experience says that these things don't happen at the speed of light 
 like we would hope for.  Accessibility improvements tend to just gradually 
 happen with no real advanced notice, which, of course, is Apple's way with 
 most things.  We need to continue expressing the need to have these 
 accessibility issues addressed and also continue sharing workarounds as, 
 sometimes, these are the things that help people understand and improve on 
 the accessibility issues.
 
 Sorry, not much real help for you here.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On May 21, 2014, at 10:35 AM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Mary,
 
 First of all, the only useful selection in the radio group you mentioned 
 is the list.  Nothing else works well with vo.
 I'll go over some tricks I've found helpful in reading and navigating a 
 book.  First, I've found it helpful to turn off cursor tracking as the 
 chapter navigation does not work for some reason win focus is in the HTML 
 content.
 Next, you can route the mouse to the scroll area and press vo-f5.  This 
 will read the book content that is actually being displayed.  Now you can 
 move from chapter to chapter with command-shift-left or 
 command-shift-right.  When you do this, the displayed content you read 
 with vo-f5 will change.  You can move vo directly to the displayed content 
 for reading by routing it to the mouse.  You actually could not do this in 
 the first release, but they did fix this.  Also, you won't have large 
 chunks of text that vo won't read at all.
 
 I agree with most of your comments about iBooks.  I think it really could 
 and should have been better.  I believe that it is currently in the best 
 state that it's been in however, and I am able to use it affectively in 
 the way I described.  I hope you find something I said useful keeping in 
 mind that while the methods work for me presently, there are glitches as 
 always.
 
 
 On May 21, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Having read on one of the lists I'm on, I think this one, but I might be 
 wrong, that accessibility to iBooks was somewhat improved with the recent 
 update, I have tried to get to grips with it, and have failed completely. 
 When I first opened the program, it offered to import my several hundred 
 books, and I said yes to that. I have reopened the program, and I have 
 found a series of radio buttons that let me select among collections, all 
 books and some other choices I don't recall. I picked collections, and I 
 see a table that has my collection names in it. If I select one and quit 
 interacting, I see absolutely no indication anywhere that I can actually 
 access a list of books, much less open one. I've been through the menus 
 with no help. I've been in preferences and found nothing useful. There are 
 a few unlabeled buttons that somebody suggested were easy to label. I'd 
 like to know how, since there are no hints associated with these. All in 
 all, I find this application to be totally frustrating and a really bad 
 example of what I thought was Apple's commitment to accessibility. 
 Especially since they want iBooks in schools, you'd think they'd have made 
 this totally VO accessible. 
 
 So, for those of you who find this application efficiently usable, please 
 tell me what I'm missing. Thanks.
 
 Mary
 Mary Otten
 motte...@gmail.com
 
 
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Re: iBooks, WasRe: The bug for Messaging on the I phone.

[Teresa Cochran]

Ah yes, that's another can of worms. I can use it with system speech from the 
edit menu, but Braille is now shot for me. It only navigates through one 
paragraph per chapter in Braille, but i can read the entire chapter with system 
speech.

Teresa

On the other hand, there are different fingers.

On Mar 13, 2014, at 5:30 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Teresa,
 
 I'm talking about iBooks on the Mac.
 
 
 On Mar 13, 2014, at 7:14 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Which iBooks situation are you referring to? I haven't had trouble with 
 ibooks on the iPod thus far, other than the long-standing breakage of whiz 
 wheels on the focus 40.
 
 Teresa
 
 Teresa Cochran
 batsfly...@me.com
 Facebook
 
 On Mar 13, 2014, at 4:44 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello again,
 
 I'm taking everything I suggested back.
 What fooled me was that I had three options: an iPhone, a home phone, and an 
 email.  Messages would allow me to select the iPhone an email, but not the 
 home phone.
 I can confirm that this bug exists after removing the iPhone number.  I 
 think that there are many work-arounds for this and it isn't worth losing 
 any sleep over.  What I find most bothersome is the fact that it is very 
 hard to nail down bugs with Apple software due to very strange behavior.
 I personally find the iBooks situation much more serious.
 
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Re: iBooks, WasRe: The bug for Messaging on the I phone.

[Barry Hadder]

Hi Teresa,

I'm talking about iBooks on the Mac.


On Mar 13, 2014, at 7:14 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:

Which iBooks situation are you referring to? I haven't had trouble with ibooks 
on the iPod thus far, other than the long-standing breakage of whiz wheels on 
the focus 40.

Teresa

Teresa Cochran
batsfly...@me.com
Facebook

On Mar 13, 2014, at 4:44 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello again,
 
 I'm taking everything I suggested back.
 What fooled me was that I had three options: an iPhone, a home phone, and an 
 email.  Messages would allow me to select the iPhone an email, but not the 
 home phone.
 I can confirm that this bug exists after removing the iPhone number.  I think 
 that there are many work-arounds for this and it isn't worth losing any sleep 
 over.  What I find most bothersome is the fact that it is very hard to nail 
 down bugs with Apple software due to very strange behavior.
 I personally find the iBooks situation much more serious.

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Re: iBooks

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi Stacey.

I think you may go with ibooks. There seems to be no solution to do that.

Best regards Annie.
Den 06/03/2014 kl. 13.13 skrev Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net:

 Hello,
 I just purchased an iBook yesterday that I would like to convert to some 
 different format.
 Is there a free program for the mac that will do this?
 I'm running Lion which is as high as this mac will go.
 Thanks,
 
 Stacey Robinson
 stacey...@bellsouth.net
 
 
 
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RE: iBooks

[BBS]

Hi Stacy and Annie. iBooks are copyright protected and therefore they cannot
be converted. I'm afraid you'll either have to read the book on your iDevice
if you have one or upgrade to Mavericks which you said you can't do, right?


Shawn
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Subject: Re: iBooks

Hi Stacey.

I think you may go with ibooks. There seems to be no solution to do that.

Best regards Annie.
Den 06/03/2014 kl. 13.13 skrev Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net:

 Hello,
 I just purchased an iBook yesterday that I would like to convert to some
different format.
 Is there a free program for the mac that will do this?
 I'm running Lion which is as high as this mac will go.
 Thanks,
 
 Stacey Robinson
 stacey...@bellsouth.net
 
 
 
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Re: iBooks

[Stacey Robinson]

Thanks sean and everyone.
I'm just reading the book on my phone.

Stacey Robinson
stacey...@bellsouth.net



On Mar 6, 2014, at 10:59 AM, BBS wrote:

 Hi Stacy and Annie. iBooks are copyright protected and therefore they cannot
 be converted. I'm afraid you'll either have to read the book on your iDevice
 if you have one or upgrade to Mavericks which you said you can't do, right?
 
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 
 
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 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen
 Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 10:33 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: iBooks
 
 Hi Stacey.
 
 I think you may go with ibooks. There seems to be no solution to do that.
 
 Best regards Annie.
 Den 06/03/2014 kl. 13.13 skrev Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net:
 
 Hello,
 I just purchased an iBook yesterday that I would like to convert to some
 different format.
 Is there a free program for the mac that will do this?
 I'm running Lion which is as high as this mac will go.
 Thanks,
 
 Stacey Robinson
 stacey...@bellsouth.net
 
 
 
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Re: iBooks, Was just upgraded to Mavericks, question re Eva voice

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Donna,

Just be aware that iBooks is a bit tricky. When you’re in the library, push the 
lists radio button to have VO say your book titles. When you open a book, the 
chapter will be in an HTmL area, which you have to interact with. The shortcut 
key to switch chapters doesn’t work well with vO, so use the Go menu instead. 
Also, books with complicated sections within chapters don’t work properly with 
vO. Straightforward text within chapters will read well.

HtH,
Teresa

We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan

On Jan 21, 2014, at 5:23 AM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:

 Ah. I thought I had a vague recollection of seeing some postings to that 
 effect, but couldn’t remember for sure.  Thanks for confirming.  
 Cheers,
 Donna
 On Jan 21, 2014, at 7:17 AM, David Taylor e.david.tay...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 No nuance voices support pitch or intonation changes.
 
 Cheers
 Dave
 
 On 21 Jan 2014, at 12:41, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I decided to take advantage of the three-day weekend to finally upgrade to 
 Mavericks.  Overall, I’m happy with the upgrade.  Though I haven’t had much 
 time to look at iBooks, I’m looking forward to having it on my Mac, and I’m 
 pleased to see that some commands that didn’t work in ML have been restored.
 
 I tried out the Eva voice, but am finding that changes to pitch and volume 
 have no impact.  Has anyone else noticed this?  Is there a fix?
 thanks,
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Re: iBooks, Was just upgraded to Mavericks, question re Eva voice

[Donna Goodin]

Hi, Teresa,

Thanks for the tips.  I’ve been following the iBooks discussions pretty closely 
in anticipation of the upgrade, but I’ll definitely keep this in mind.
Cheers,
Donna
On Jan 21, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, Donna,
 
 Just be aware that iBooks is a bit tricky. When you’re in the library, push 
 the lists radio button to have VO say your book titles. When you open a book, 
 the chapter will be in an HTmL area, which you have to interact with. The 
 shortcut key to switch chapters doesn’t work well with vO, so use the Go menu 
 instead. Also, books with complicated sections within chapters don’t work 
 properly with vO. Straightforward text within chapters will read well.
 
 HtH,
 Teresa
 
 We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan
 
 On Jan 21, 2014, at 5:23 AM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 Ah. I thought I had a vague recollection of seeing some postings to that 
 effect, but couldn’t remember for sure.  Thanks for confirming.  
 Cheers,
 Donna
 On Jan 21, 2014, at 7:17 AM, David Taylor e.david.tay...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 No nuance voices support pitch or intonation changes.
 
 Cheers
 Dave
 
 On 21 Jan 2014, at 12:41, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I decided to take advantage of the three-day weekend to finally upgrade to 
 Mavericks.  Overall, I’m happy with the upgrade.  Though I haven’t had 
 much time to look at iBooks, I’m looking forward to having it on my Mac, 
 and I’m pleased to see that some commands that didn’t work in ML have been 
 restored.
 
 I tried out the Eva voice, but am finding that changes to pitch and volume 
 have no impact.  Has anyone else noticed this?  Is there a fix?
 thanks,
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Re: ibooks on the mac, how do you all magane this?

[Rebecca Sabo]

Hi all,
I have not tried using the books yet on the mack i still read my books on my 
iPhone or iPad.
Becky Sabo 
On Dec 8, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:

 You can press enter or command-down-arrow when in listview to open a book.
 
 Ibooks on the Mac is not as useable as it is on iOS. I use the next chapter 
 item in the menus and then interact with the last html content I find, which 
 is usually the next chapter. It is useable, but not as convenient as it could 
 be.
 
 Teresa
 
 Slow down; you'll get there faster.
 
 On Dec 8, 2013, at 5:47 AM, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I cannit even open an ibook. I am in grid view.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 8, 2013, at 2:36 AM, Anouk Radix radix.an...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, I hate to bring this up again, maybe I am doing something wrong but 
 reading ibooks on the mac (using braille) remains quite the challenge.
 Next chapter command does not seem to work and i have to use the item 
 chooser quite often to get text to scroll down so i can read new material. 
 Quite time consuming and inefficient.
 I can read on ios using speech, just read from cursor, but i comprehend 
 text better if i read it in braille and normally find this experience more 
 efficient on the mac.
 Any tips guides or podcasts that can help with htis or is ibooks on the mac 
 just not as accessible as of now?
 Greetings, Anouk,
 
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Re: ibooks on the mac, how do you all magane this?

[Jessica D]

I cannit even open an ibook. I am in grid view.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 8, 2013, at 2:36 AM, Anouk Radix radix.an...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, I hate to bring this up again, maybe I am doing something wrong but 
 reading ibooks on the mac (using braille) remains quite the challenge.
 Next chapter command does not seem to work and i have to use the item chooser 
 quite often to get text to scroll down so i can read new material. Quite time 
 consuming and inefficient.
 I can read on ios using speech, just read from cursor, but i comprehend text 
 better if i read it in braille and normally find this experience more 
 efficient on the mac.
 Any tips guides or podcasts that can help with htis or is ibooks on the mac 
 just not as accessible as of now?
 Greetings, Anouk,
 
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Re: ibooks on the mac, how do you all magane this?

[Teresa Cochran]

You can press enter or command-down-arrow when in listview to open a book.

Ibooks on the Mac is not as useable as it is on iOS. I use the next chapter 
item in the menus and then interact with the last html content I find, which is 
usually the next chapter. It is useable, but not as convenient as it could be.

Teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Dec 8, 2013, at 5:47 AM, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote:

 I cannit even open an ibook. I am in grid view.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 8, 2013, at 2:36 AM, Anouk Radix radix.an...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, I hate to bring this up again, maybe I am doing something wrong but 
 reading ibooks on the mac (using braille) remains quite the challenge.
 Next chapter command does not seem to work and i have to use the item 
 chooser quite often to get text to scroll down so i can read new material. 
 Quite time consuming and inefficient.
 I can read on ios using speech, just read from cursor, but i comprehend text 
 better if i read it in braille and normally find this experience more 
 efficient on the mac.
 Any tips guides or podcasts that can help with htis or is ibooks on the mac 
 just not as accessible as of now?
 Greetings, Anouk,
 
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Re: ibooks and short cuts?

[Teresa Cochran]

It’s a bug. Going through the menus works, though.

HtH,
Teresa

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wrote:

 HI.  Am currently reading an ibook on the mac.  I am having trouble with the 
 command shift right arrow short cut to go to next chapter.  sometimes it 
 works and other times it says part of the text i’m reading is highlighted.  
 Is anyone else having trouble with this?  Should it be reported to the 
 accessibility team?  
 
 thanks. 
   regards
 Maria and crew from australia
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Re: ibooks and short cuts?

[Ray Foret Jr]

Sure am.  That never works for me.  Neither does item chooser in so far as 
actually being able to cause the proper text to be hilighted.


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built-in!

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On Nov 20, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 HI.  Am currently reading an ibook on the mac.  I am having trouble with the 
 command shift right arrow short cut to go to next chapter.  sometimes it 
 works and other times it says part of the text i’m reading is highlighted.  
 Is anyone else having trouble with this?  Should it be reported to the 
 accessibility team?  
 
 thanks. 
   regards
 Maria and crew from australia
 email:
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
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Re: ibooks and short cuts?

[Nicholas Parsons]

From memory it worked for me if I stopped interacting with the text HTML area. 
However, I'm not on my Mavericks Mac at the moment so can't double check this.
Cheers,
Nic

On 21 Jan 2013, at 5:26 AM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com 
wrote:

HI.  Am currently reading an ibook on the mac.  I am having trouble with the 
command shift right arrow short cut to go to next chapter.  sometimes it works 
and other times it says part of the text i’m reading is highlighted.  Is anyone 
else having trouble with this?  Should it be reported to the accessibility 
team?  

thanks. 
regards
Maria and crew from australia
email:
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
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where we play lots of great music




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Re: ibooks and short cuts?

[Ray Foret Jr]

Didn’t make any difference for me one way or the other.  I almost think we’re 
dealing with a half baked cookie.


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built-in!

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wrote:

 From memory it worked for me if I stopped interacting with the text HTML 
 area. However, I'm not on my Mavericks Mac at the moment so can't double 
 check this.
 Cheers,
 Nic
 
 On 21 Jan 2013, at 5:26 AM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 HI.  Am currently reading an ibook on the mac.  I am having trouble with the 
 command shift right arrow short cut to go to next chapter.  sometimes it 
 works and other times it says part of the text i’m reading is highlighted.  
 Is anyone else having trouble with this?  Should it be reported to the 
 accessibility team?  
 
 thanks. 
   regards
 Maria and crew from australia
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 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
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Re: iBooks internal location on the mac?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Look at Tidbits.com this week thereis a article About fixing genres in iBooks 
that includes the process of moving the book to the desktop. Apparently the 
library folder that contains books uses random names for the folders so you 
need to export them from the program directly.  

Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 12, 2013, at 10:44 PM, Kliphton --- kliphton@outlook.com 
 wrote:
 
 Is aarticle about fixing genres in Hello.  I have imported about 700 books in 
 ePub format in to iBooks.  They
 read just fine, but I accidently deleted the folder where I originally
 Gimported them from.  Where does iBooks store them so I can try to save them
 to a different folder for my own reference?  Thanks.
 
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RE: iBooks internal location on the mac?

[Kliphton -------]

Tried that, there is no option for that.

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Subject: Re: iBooks internal location on the mac?

Look at Tidbits.com this week thereis a article About fixing genres in
iBooks that includes the process of moving the book to the desktop.
Apparently the library folder that contains books uses random names for the
folders so you need to export them from the program directly.  

Sent from my iPhone

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wrote:
 
 Is aarticle about fixing genres in Hello.  I have imported about 700 
 books in ePub format in to iBooks.  They read just fine, but I 
 accidently deleted the folder where I originally Gimported them from.  
 Where does iBooks store them so I can try to save them to a different
folder for my own reference?  Thanks.
 
 Kliphton
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Re: iBooks for MacOS X 10.9 accessibility

[Joanne Chua]

Hi,

I think what Greg trying to say is the different from the visual and what VO 
reads or may not read.


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 On 26 Oct 2013, at 13:36, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I’m not understanding many of the issues you brought up.  I also think that 
 you left some things out.
 
 1.  I am able to interact with an entire chapter with Voiceover.  I could be 
 wrong, but The number of pages shown seems to be strictly visual in my 
 experience.  I have not had to scroll to read a page.
 2.  I have not experienced the situation where vo sees the store window when 
 it couldn’t access it.
 3.  I’m not sure what you are referring to in regards to the book cover 
 information.  I am able to access title, author, etc.
 4.  I find the unlabeled buttons annoying, but it’s not as big a deal as some 
 people seem to think it is.  
 
 I don’t understand how you missed the problems in the library window.¬  Maybe 
 you did mention it and I just couldn’t read through all of the inspector junk.
 
 1.  vo can’t read any book information in the authors view.
 2.  Vo can’t read any book information in the collections view.
 3.  Vo can’t read any book information in the categories view.
 
 Those last three things in my opinion are the bad things.  I have also 
 reported them when it was still in beta.
 
 
 On Oct 25, 2013, at 8:22 PM, Greg Kearney gkear...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I am reporting the following accessibility issues about iBook for MacOS. Not 
 that in the case of some unreachable controls I have enclosed the 
 Accessibility Inspector information which should aid in correcting theses 
 issues. I would point out that the Accessibility Inspector is able to quickly 
 tell a developer if a control is accessible or not.
 
 1. VoiceOver reading of a book does not turn the pages of the books as they 
 are read.
 
 2. Book cover images do not have title/author information. This could be 
 corrected by implementing IPTC captions on the images. A work around is to 
 insure that the Show Titles option is in the view menu is set.
 
 3. The bookstore is listed as a window even when it is not reachable with 
 VoiceOver
 
 4. The book reading window has a number of unlabeled buttons which are as 
 follows:
 
 Library button
 
 Hierarchy
   AXApplication
   AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXButton
 Attributes
   AXRoleAXButton
   AXRoleDescriptionbutton
   AXHelpnil
   AXEnabledYES
   AXFocused (W)NO
   AXParentAXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXWindowAXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXTopLevelUIElementAXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXPositionx=291.00 y=68.00
   AXSizew=16.00 h=25.00
   AXTitleempty string
 Actions
   AXPress
 Warnings And Errors
   Missing value for AXTitle, AXDescription, or AXTitleUIElement
 
 Table of Contents button
 
 Hierarchy
   AXApplication
   AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXButton
 Attributes
   AXRoleAXButton
   AXRoleDescriptionbutton
   AXHelpnil
   AXEnabledYES
   AXFocused (W)NO
   AXParentAXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXWindowAXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXTopLevelUIElementAXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXPositionx=177.00 y=120.00
   AXSizew=20.00 h=25.00
   AXTitleempty string
 Actions
   AXPress
 Warnings And Errors
   Missing value for AXTitle, AXDescription, or AXTitleUIElement
 
 Notes Button
 
 Hierarchy
   AXApplication
   AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXButton
 Attributes
   AXRoleAXButton
   AXRoleDescriptionbutton
   AXHelpnil
   AXEnabledYES
   AXFocused (W)NO
   AXParentAXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXWindowAXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXTopLevelUIElementAXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXPositionx=208.00 y=120.00
   AXSizew=20.00 h=25.00
   AXTitleempty string
 Actions
   AXPress
 Warnings And Errors
   Missing value for AXTitle, AXDescription, or AXTitleUIElement
 
 Type setting button
 
 Hierarchy
   AXApplication
   AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXButton
 Attributes
   AXRoleAXButton
   AXRoleDescriptionbutton
   AXHelpnil
   AXEnabledYES
   AXFocused (W)NO
   AXParentAXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXWindowAXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXTopLevelUIElementAXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXPositionx=1011.00 y=120.00
   AXSizew=29.00 h=25.00
   AXTitleempty string
 Actions
   AXPress
 Warnings And Errors
   Missing value for AXTitle, AXDescription, or AXTitleUIElement
 
 Find button
 
 Hierarchy
   AXApplication
   AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXButton
 Attributes
   AXRoleAXButton
   AXRoleDescriptionbutton
   AXHelpnil
   AXEnabledYES
   AXFocused (W)NO
   AXParentAXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXWindowAXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXTopLevelUIElementAXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXPositionx=1011.00 y=120.00
   AXSizew=29.00 h=25.00
 

Re: iBooks for MacOS X 10.9 accessibility

[Barry Hadder]

Greg,

I think you made a good point about the scrolling.  I think after thinking 
about this however, it’s much more complicated.  While a blind person is able 
to read a book, I don’t think that Voiceover is interacting with the scroll 
area properly at all.

I looked at what I wrote, and I realized that it might have come across as 
slightly confrontational.  That was not my intention at all.
I think that iBooks is so ruff at this stage, that Apple has to know that there 
are problems.  The first dp version didn’t work at all.  So it’s actually come 
a long way.It was quite holarious.  I don’t really understand why they 
haven’t spent more time with it sense they had built it up, but I’m sure that 
there will be more done one it soon.
Take care.

On Oct 25, 2013, at 8:22 PM, Greg Kearney gkear...@gmail.com wrote:

I am reporting the following accessibility issues about iBook for MacOS. Not 
that in the case of some unreachable controls I have enclosed the Accessibility 
Inspector information which should aid in correcting theses issues. I would 
point out that the Accessibility Inspector is able to quickly tell a developer 
if a control is accessible or not.

1. VoiceOver reading of a book does not turn the pages of the books as they are 
read.

2. Book cover images do not have title/author information. This could be 
corrected by implementing IPTC captions on the images. A work around is to 
insure that the Show Titles option is in the view menu is set.

3. The bookstore is listed as a window even when it is not reachable with 
VoiceOver

4. The book reading window has a number of unlabelled buttons which are as 
follows:

Library button

Hierarchy
   AXApplication
   AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXButton
Attributes
   AXRole   AXButton
   AXRoleDescriptionbutton
   AXHelp   nil
   AXEnabledYES
   AXFocused (W)NO
   AXParent AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXWindow AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXTopLevelUIElement  AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXPosition   x=291.00 y=68.00
   AXSize   w=16.00 h=25.00
   AXTitle  empty string
Actions
   AXPress
Warnings And Errors
   Missing value for AXTitle, AXDescription, or AXTitleUIElement

Table of Contents button

Hierarchy
   AXApplication
   AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXButton
Attributes
   AXRole   AXButton
   AXRoleDescriptionbutton
   AXHelp   nil
   AXEnabledYES
   AXFocused (W)NO
   AXParent AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXWindow AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXTopLevelUIElement  AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXPosition   x=177.00 y=120.00
   AXSize   w=20.00 h=25.00
   AXTitle  empty string
Actions
   AXPress
Warnings And Errors
   Missing value for AXTitle, AXDescription, or AXTitleUIElement

Notes Button

Hierarchy
   AXApplication
   AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXButton
Attributes
   AXRole   AXButton
   AXRoleDescriptionbutton
   AXHelp   nil
   AXEnabledYES
   AXFocused (W)NO
   AXParent AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXWindow AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXTopLevelUIElement  AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXPosition   x=208.00 y=120.00
   AXSize   w=20.00 h=25.00
   AXTitle  empty string
Actions
   AXPress
Warnings And Errors
   Missing value for AXTitle, AXDescription, or AXTitleUIElement

Type setting button

Hierarchy
   AXApplication
   AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXButton
Attributes
   AXRole   AXButton
   AXRoleDescriptionbutton
   AXHelp   nil
   AXEnabledYES
   AXFocused (W)NO
   AXParent AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXWindow AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXTopLevelUIElement  AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXPosition   x=1011.00 y=120.00
   AXSize   w=29.00 h=25.00
   AXTitle  empty string
Actions
   AXPress
Warnings And Errors
   Missing value for AXTitle, AXDescription, or AXTitleUIElement

Find button

Hierarchy
   AXApplication
   AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXButton
Attributes
   AXRole   AXButton
   AXRoleDescriptionbutton
   AXHelp   nil
   AXEnabledYES
   AXFocused (W)NO
   AXParent AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXWindow AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXTopLevelUIElement  AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXPosition   x=1011.00 y=120.00
   AXSize   w=29.00 h=25.00
   AXTitle  empty string
Actions
   AXPress
Warnings And Errors
   Missing value for AXTitle, AXDescription, or AXTitleUIElement

Add/Remove bookmark button

Hierarchy
   AXApplication
   AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXButton
Attributes
   AXRole   AXButton
   AXRoleDescriptionbutton
   AXHelp   nil
   AXEnabledYES
   AXFocused (W)NO
   AXParent AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXWindow AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXTopLevelUIElement  AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXPosition   x=1081.00 y=120.00
   AXSize   w=11.00 h=25.00
   AXTitle  empty string
Actions
   AXPress
Warnings And 

Re: iBooks for MacOS X 10.9 accessibility

[Barry Hadder]

Hi,

I’m not understanding many of the issues you brought up.  I also think that you 
left some things out.

1.  I am able to interact with an entire chapter with Voiceover.  I could be 
wrong, but The number of pages shown seems to be strictly visual in my 
experience.  I have not had to scroll to read a page.
2.  I have not experienced the situation where vo sees the store window when it 
couldn’t access it.
3.  I’m not sure what you are referring to in regards to the book cover 
information.  I am able to access title, author, etc.
4.  I find the unlabeled buttons annoying, but it’s not as big a deal as some 
people seem to think it is.  

I don’t understand how you missed the problems in the library window.¬  Maybe 
you did mention it and I just couldn’t read through all of the inspector junk.

1.  vo can’t read any book information in the authors view.
2.  Vo can’t read any book information in the collections view.
3.  Vo can’t read any book information in the categories view.

Those last three things in my opinion are the bad things.  I have also reported 
them when it was still in beta.


On Oct 25, 2013, at 8:22 PM, Greg Kearney gkear...@gmail.com wrote:

I am reporting the following accessibility issues about iBook for MacOS. Not 
that in the case of some unreachable controls I have enclosed the Accessibility 
Inspector information which should aid in correcting theses issues. I would 
point out that the Accessibility Inspector is able to quickly tell a developer 
if a control is accessible or not.

1. VoiceOver reading of a book does not turn the pages of the books as they are 
read.

2. Book cover images do not have title/author information. This could be 
corrected by implementing IPTC captions on the images. A work around is to 
insure that the Show Titles option is in the view menu is set.

3. The bookstore is listed as a window even when it is not reachable with 
VoiceOver

4. The book reading window has a number of unlabeled buttons which are as 
follows:

Library button

Hierarchy
   AXApplication
   AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXButton
Attributes
   AXRole   AXButton
   AXRoleDescriptionbutton
   AXHelp   nil
   AXEnabledYES
   AXFocused (W)NO
   AXParent AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXWindow AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXTopLevelUIElement  AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXPosition   x=291.00 y=68.00
   AXSize   w=16.00 h=25.00
   AXTitle  empty string
Actions
   AXPress
Warnings And Errors
   Missing value for AXTitle, AXDescription, or AXTitleUIElement

Table of Contents button

Hierarchy
   AXApplication
   AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXButton
Attributes
   AXRole   AXButton
   AXRoleDescriptionbutton
   AXHelp   nil
   AXEnabledYES
   AXFocused (W)NO
   AXParent AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXWindow AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXTopLevelUIElement  AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXPosition   x=177.00 y=120.00
   AXSize   w=20.00 h=25.00
   AXTitle  empty string
Actions
   AXPress
Warnings And Errors
   Missing value for AXTitle, AXDescription, or AXTitleUIElement

Notes Button

Hierarchy
   AXApplication
   AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXButton
Attributes
   AXRole   AXButton
   AXRoleDescriptionbutton
   AXHelp   nil
   AXEnabledYES
   AXFocused (W)NO
   AXParent AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXWindow AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXTopLevelUIElement  AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXPosition   x=208.00 y=120.00
   AXSize   w=20.00 h=25.00
   AXTitle  empty string
Actions
   AXPress
Warnings And Errors
   Missing value for AXTitle, AXDescription, or AXTitleUIElement

Type setting button

Hierarchy
   AXApplication
   AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXButton
Attributes
   AXRole   AXButton
   AXRoleDescriptionbutton
   AXHelp   nil
   AXEnabledYES
   AXFocused (W)NO
   AXParent AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXWindow AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXTopLevelUIElement  AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXPosition   x=1011.00 y=120.00
   AXSize   w=29.00 h=25.00
   AXTitle  empty string
Actions
   AXPress
Warnings And Errors
   Missing value for AXTitle, AXDescription, or AXTitleUIElement

Find button

Hierarchy
   AXApplication
   AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXButton
Attributes
   AXRole   AXButton
   AXRoleDescriptionbutton
   AXHelp   nil
   AXEnabledYES
   AXFocused (W)NO
   AXParent AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXWindow AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXTopLevelUIElement  AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXPosition   x=1011.00 y=120.00
   AXSize   w=29.00 h=25.00
   AXTitle  empty string
Actions
   AXPress
Warnings And Errors
   Missing value for AXTitle, AXDescription, or AXTitleUIElement

Add/Remove bookmark button

Hierarchy
   AXApplication
   AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
   AXButton
Attributes
   AXRole   AXButton
   

Re: iBooks on Mac

[Mary Otten]

Sent iBooks is coming to the Mac when the new Mavericks operating system comes 
out. Apple announced that back in the spring at WWDC.
 Mary
from my iPhone

On Sep 24, 2013, at 5:48 PM, Helena Fehr helena.torch.li...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all!
 I've been hearing rumours that iBooks is coming to the Mac. ANybody know 
 when? Also, is it just me, or is everyone else with IoS7 having problems with 
 voiceOver freezing on their iPhones? Is this gunna get fixed yet?
 God bless!!!
 Helena
 
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