Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

The issue is licensing Fusion. Some kind of license is required, and
this is arranged during the web-based back and forth that leads to
package and license file downloads. The free license simply isn't
offered as an option. Only paid options are offered.


'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
>Has anyone had success getting the free license for VMware Player 13.5?
> What is the issue with this process? Thanks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>  -Helen Keller
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> 
> On 2/20/2024 4:21 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > The on line process doesn't work. I don't know why, but other people
> > have had the same problem.
> > 
> > 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
> > > What is the issue with renewing? I will need to do the same as well.
> > > 
> > >  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> > > "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> > >   -Helen Keller
> > > My e-Mail:
> > > ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > > 
> > > On 2/19/2024 12:17 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > > > There's an available license that's free of charge. It's available to
> > > > students and to other categories they name. I have had one based on my
> > > > W3C activities for some time.
> > > > 
> > > > However, I've been unable to renew. It's been very frustrating.
> > > > 
> > > > Janina
> > > > 
> > > > Anders Holmberg writes:
> > > > > Hi!
> > > > > Is the fusion free of charge or do I have to pay for it?
> > > > > Bless.
> > > > > /A
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 11 feb. 2024 kl. 15:57 skrev 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
> > > > > > :
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I get this when I try to install windows 11.
> > > > > > Check your Startup Disk in the virtual machine settings. If you 
> > > > > > have not installed an operating system yet, you can choose an 
> > > > > > installation disc or disc image in the CD/DVD settings and restart 
> > > > > > the virtual machine.
> > > > > > I???m on an Intel mac.
> > > > > > On Feb 11, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Anders Holmberg 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Hi!
> > > > > > > Vocr is so hard to use.
> > > > > > > I have tried that but was wondering should I turn off VoiceOver?
> > > > > > > /A
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 11 feb. 2024 kl. 00:57 skrev Kelly Ford 
> > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Well,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I am now running a VMWare VM on my M1 Mac. I have to use VOCR 
> > > > > > > > to get through setup and then add VMWare tools.  Only then did 
> > > > > > > > I get Narrator sound.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I???m not entirely sure why because I did get the windows 
> > > > > > > > startup sound after going through the first steps of OS install 
> > > > > > > > where you enter a product key and such. But I didn???t have 
> > > > > > > > Narrator speech.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Kelly
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > On Feb 10, 2024, at 5:28???PM, Kelly Ford 
> > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > For what it is worth, my Mac updated to the latest developer 
> > > > > > > > > beta today. VMware virtual machines do not shutdown 
> > > > > > > > > immediately any longer but I???m not getting any sound from a 
> > > > > > > > > VM to use Narrator during OS install
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I am trying to get through it with VOCR so we will see.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > On Feb 9, 2024, at 9:50???AM, Anders Holmberg 
> > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Hi!
> > > > > > > > > > Hi!
> > > > > > > > > > Vocr is very very tedious.
> > > > > > > > > > So I rather not use any virtual machine.
> > > > > > > > > > I will try to find a refurbished laptop that I can install 
> > > > > > > > > > linux onto or windows.
> > > > > > > > > > Bless.
> > > > > > > > > > /A
> > > > > > > > > > > 8 feb. 2024 kl. 03:02 skrev 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via 
> > > > > > > > > > > MacVisionaries :
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > How do you find Parallels? Are you all right using VOCR? 
> > > > > > > > > > > I find it very tedious and definitely would prefer to 
> > > > > > > > > > > avoid that.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Has anyone had success getting the free license for VMware Player 
13.5? What is the issue with this process? Thanks.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
 -Helen Keller
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On 2/20/2024 4:21 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

The on line process doesn't work. I don't know why, but other people
have had the same problem.

'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:

What is the issue with renewing? I will need to do the same as well.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
  -Helen Keller
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 2/19/2024 12:17 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

There's an available license that's free of charge. It's available to
students and to other categories they name. I have had one based on my
W3C activities for some time.

However, I've been unable to renew. It's been very frustrating.

Janina

Anders Holmberg writes:

Hi!
Is the fusion free of charge or do I have to pay for it?
Bless.
/A


11 feb. 2024 kl. 15:57 skrev 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
:

I get this when I try to install windows 11.
Check your Startup Disk in the virtual machine settings. If you have not 
installed an operating system yet, you can choose an installation disc or disc 
image in the CD/DVD settings and restart the virtual machine.
I???m on an Intel mac.
On Feb 11, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:


Hi!
Vocr is so hard to use.
I have tried that but was wondering should I turn off VoiceOver?
/A


11 feb. 2024 kl. 00:57 skrev Kelly Ford :

Well,

I am now running a VMWare VM on my M1 Mac. I have to use VOCR to get through 
setup and then add VMWare tools.  Only then did I get Narrator sound.

I???m not entirely sure why because I did get the windows startup sound after 
going through the first steps of OS install where you enter a product key and 
such. But I didn???t have Narrator speech.

Kelly



On Feb 10, 2024, at 5:28???PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:

Hi,

For what it is worth, my Mac updated to the latest developer beta today. VMware 
virtual machines do not shutdown immediately any longer but I???m not getting 
any sound from a VM to use Narrator during OS install

I am trying to get through it with VOCR so we will see.




On Feb 9, 2024, at 9:50???AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Hi!
Vocr is very very tedious.
So I rather not use any virtual machine.
I will try to find a refurbished laptop that I can install linux onto or 
windows.
Bless.
/A

8 feb. 2024 kl. 03:02 skrev 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
:

How do you find Parallels? Are you all right using VOCR? I find it very tedious 
and definitely would prefer to avoid that.

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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I was referring to the license for VMware Fusion.

mattias jonsson writes:
> i wonder if narrator are removed from newer windows arm builds setup
> 
> > 19 feb. 2024 kl. 21:17 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > :
> > 
> > There's an available license that's free of charge. It's available to
> > students and to other categories they name. I have had one based on my
> > W3C activities for some time.
> > 
> > However, I've been unable to renew. It's been very frustrating.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Anders Holmberg writes:
> >> Hi!
> >> Is the fusion free of charge or do I have to pay for it?
> >> Bless.
> >> /A
> >> 
> >>> 11 feb. 2024 kl. 15:57 skrev 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
> >>> :
> >>> 
> >>> I get this when I try to install windows 11.
> >>> Check your Startup Disk in the virtual machine settings. If you have not 
> >>> installed an operating system yet, you can choose an installation disc or 
> >>> disc image in the CD/DVD settings and restart the virtual machine.
> >>> I???m on an Intel mac.
> >>> On Feb 11, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Anders Holmberg  
> >>> wrote:
>  
>  Hi!
>  Vocr is so hard to use.
>  I have tried that but was wondering should I turn off VoiceOver?
>  /A
>  
> > 11 feb. 2024 kl. 00:57 skrev Kelly Ford :
> > 
> > Well,
> > 
> > I am now running a VMWare VM on my M1 Mac. I have to use VOCR to get 
> > through setup and then add VMWare tools.  Only then did I get Narrator 
> > sound.
> > 
> > I???m not entirely sure why because I did get the windows startup sound 
> > after going through the first steps of OS install where you enter a 
> > product key and such. But I didn???t have Narrator speech.
> > 
> > Kelly
> > 
> > 
> >> On Feb 10, 2024, at 5:28???PM, Kelly Ford  
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> For what it is worth, my Mac updated to the latest developer beta 
> >> today. VMware virtual machines do not shutdown immediately any longer 
> >> but I???m not getting any sound from a VM to use Narrator during OS 
> >> install
> >> 
> >> I am trying to get through it with VOCR so we will see.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Feb 9, 2024, at 9:50???AM, Anders Holmberg  
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi!
> >>> Hi!
> >>> Vocr is very very tedious.
> >>> So I rather not use any virtual machine.
> >>> I will try to find a refurbished laptop that I can install linux onto 
> >>> or windows.
> >>> Bless.
> >>> /A
>  8 feb. 2024 kl. 03:02 skrev 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via 
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>  
>  How do you find Parallels? Are you all right using VOCR? I find it 
>  very tedious and definitely would prefer to avoid that.
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

[mattias jonsson]

i wonder if narrator are removed from newer windows arm builds setup

> 19 feb. 2024 kl. 21:17 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> There's an available license that's free of charge. It's available to
> students and to other categories they name. I have had one based on my
> W3C activities for some time.
> 
> However, I've been unable to renew. It's been very frustrating.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Anders Holmberg writes:
>> Hi!
>> Is the fusion free of charge or do I have to pay for it?
>> Bless.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 11 feb. 2024 kl. 15:57 skrev 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> I get this when I try to install windows 11.
>>> Check your Startup Disk in the virtual machine settings. If you have not 
>>> installed an operating system yet, you can choose an installation disc or 
>>> disc image in the CD/DVD settings and restart the virtual machine.
>>> I???m on an Intel mac.
>>> On Feb 11, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi!
 Vocr is so hard to use.
 I have tried that but was wondering should I turn off VoiceOver?
 /A
 
> 11 feb. 2024 kl. 00:57 skrev Kelly Ford :
> 
> Well,
> 
> I am now running a VMWare VM on my M1 Mac. I have to use VOCR to get 
> through setup and then add VMWare tools.  Only then did I get Narrator 
> sound.
> 
> I???m not entirely sure why because I did get the windows startup sound 
> after going through the first steps of OS install where you enter a 
> product key and such. But I didn???t have Narrator speech.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
>> On Feb 10, 2024, at 5:28???PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> For what it is worth, my Mac updated to the latest developer beta today. 
>> VMware virtual machines do not shutdown immediately any longer but I???m 
>> not getting any sound from a VM to use Narrator during OS install
>> 
>> I am trying to get through it with VOCR so we will see.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 9, 2024, at 9:50???AM, Anders Holmberg  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Hi!
>>> Vocr is very very tedious.
>>> So I rather not use any virtual machine.
>>> I will try to find a refurbished laptop that I can install linux onto 
>>> or windows.
>>> Bless.
>>> /A
 8 feb. 2024 kl. 03:02 skrev 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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 How do you find Parallels? Are you all right using VOCR? I find it 
 very tedious and definitely would prefer to avoid that.
 
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   That is what I was afraid was the case. I had run into this shortly 
after upgrading to Sonoma last year. Was hoping it had been corrected by 
now.


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On 2/20/2024 4:21 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

The on line process doesn't work. I don't know why, but other people
have had the same problem.

'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:

What is the issue with renewing? I will need to do the same as well.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
  -Helen Keller
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 2/19/2024 12:17 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

There's an available license that's free of charge. It's available to
students and to other categories they name. I have had one based on my
W3C activities for some time.

However, I've been unable to renew. It's been very frustrating.

Janina

Anders Holmberg writes:

Hi!
Is the fusion free of charge or do I have to pay for it?
Bless.
/A


11 feb. 2024 kl. 15:57 skrev 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
:

I get this when I try to install windows 11.
Check your Startup Disk in the virtual machine settings. If you have not 
installed an operating system yet, you can choose an installation disc or disc 
image in the CD/DVD settings and restart the virtual machine.
I???m on an Intel mac.
On Feb 11, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:


Hi!
Vocr is so hard to use.
I have tried that but was wondering should I turn off VoiceOver?
/A


11 feb. 2024 kl. 00:57 skrev Kelly Ford :

Well,

I am now running a VMWare VM on my M1 Mac. I have to use VOCR to get through 
setup and then add VMWare tools.  Only then did I get Narrator sound.

I???m not entirely sure why because I did get the windows startup sound after 
going through the first steps of OS install where you enter a product key and 
such. But I didn???t have Narrator speech.

Kelly



On Feb 10, 2024, at 5:28???PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:

Hi,

For what it is worth, my Mac updated to the latest developer beta today. VMware 
virtual machines do not shutdown immediately any longer but I???m not getting 
any sound from a VM to use Narrator during OS install

I am trying to get through it with VOCR so we will see.




On Feb 9, 2024, at 9:50???AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Hi!
Vocr is very very tedious.
So I rather not use any virtual machine.
I will try to find a refurbished laptop that I can install linux onto or 
windows.
Bless.
/A

8 feb. 2024 kl. 03:02 skrev 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
:

How do you find Parallels? Are you all right using VOCR? I find it very tedious 
and definitely would prefer to avoid that.

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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

The on line process doesn't work. I don't know why, but other people
have had the same problem.

'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
>What is the issue with renewing? I will need to do the same as well.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>  -Helen Keller
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 2/19/2024 12:17 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > There's an available license that's free of charge. It's available to
> > students and to other categories they name. I have had one based on my
> > W3C activities for some time.
> > 
> > However, I've been unable to renew. It's been very frustrating.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Anders Holmberg writes:
> > > Hi!
> > > Is the fusion free of charge or do I have to pay for it?
> > > Bless.
> > > /A
> > > 
> > > > 11 feb. 2024 kl. 15:57 skrev 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
> > > > :
> > > > 
> > > > I get this when I try to install windows 11.
> > > > Check your Startup Disk in the virtual machine settings. If you have 
> > > > not installed an operating system yet, you can choose an installation 
> > > > disc or disc image in the CD/DVD settings and restart the virtual 
> > > > machine.
> > > > I???m on an Intel mac.
> > > > On Feb 11, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Anders Holmberg  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi!
> > > > > Vocr is so hard to use.
> > > > > I have tried that but was wondering should I turn off VoiceOver?
> > > > > /A
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 11 feb. 2024 kl. 00:57 skrev Kelly Ford :
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Well,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I am now running a VMWare VM on my M1 Mac. I have to use VOCR to 
> > > > > > get through setup and then add VMWare tools.  Only then did I get 
> > > > > > Narrator sound.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I???m not entirely sure why because I did get the windows startup 
> > > > > > sound after going through the first steps of OS install where you 
> > > > > > enter a product key and such. But I didn???t have Narrator speech.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Kelly
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Feb 10, 2024, at 5:28???PM, Kelly Ford 
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > For what it is worth, my Mac updated to the latest developer beta 
> > > > > > > today. VMware virtual machines do not shutdown immediately any 
> > > > > > > longer but I???m not getting any sound from a VM to use Narrator 
> > > > > > > during OS install
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I am trying to get through it with VOCR so we will see.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > On Feb 9, 2024, at 9:50???AM, Anders Holmberg 
> > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Hi!
> > > > > > > > Hi!
> > > > > > > > Vocr is very very tedious.
> > > > > > > > So I rather not use any virtual machine.
> > > > > > > > I will try to find a refurbished laptop that I can install 
> > > > > > > > linux onto or windows.
> > > > > > > > Bless.
> > > > > > > > /A
> > > > > > > > > 8 feb. 2024 kl. 03:02 skrev 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via 
> > > > > > > > > MacVisionaries :
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > How do you find Parallels? Are you all right using VOCR? I 
> > > > > > > > > find it very tedious and definitely would prefer to avoid 
> > > > > > > > > that.
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   What is the issue with renewing? I will need to do the same as well.

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On 2/19/2024 12:17 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

There's an available license that's free of charge. It's available to
students and to other categories they name. I have had one based on my
W3C activities for some time.

However, I've been unable to renew. It's been very frustrating.

Janina

Anders Holmberg writes:

Hi!
Is the fusion free of charge or do I have to pay for it?
Bless.
/A


11 feb. 2024 kl. 15:57 skrev 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
:

I get this when I try to install windows 11.
Check your Startup Disk in the virtual machine settings. If you have not 
installed an operating system yet, you can choose an installation disc or disc 
image in the CD/DVD settings and restart the virtual machine.
I???m on an Intel mac.
On Feb 11, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:


Hi!
Vocr is so hard to use.
I have tried that but was wondering should I turn off VoiceOver?
/A


11 feb. 2024 kl. 00:57 skrev Kelly Ford :

Well,

I am now running a VMWare VM on my M1 Mac. I have to use VOCR to get through 
setup and then add VMWare tools.  Only then did I get Narrator sound.

I???m not entirely sure why because I did get the windows startup sound after 
going through the first steps of OS install where you enter a product key and 
such. But I didn???t have Narrator speech.

Kelly



On Feb 10, 2024, at 5:28???PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:

Hi,

For what it is worth, my Mac updated to the latest developer beta today. VMware 
virtual machines do not shutdown immediately any longer but I???m not getting 
any sound from a VM to use Narrator during OS install

I am trying to get through it with VOCR so we will see.




On Feb 9, 2024, at 9:50???AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Hi!
Vocr is very very tedious.
So I rather not use any virtual machine.
I will try to find a refurbished laptop that I can install linux onto or 
windows.
Bless.
/A

8 feb. 2024 kl. 03:02 skrev 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
:

How do you find Parallels? Are you all right using VOCR? I find it very tedious 
and definitely would prefer to avoid that.

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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

There's an available license that's free of charge. It's available to
students and to other categories they name. I have had one based on my
W3C activities for some time.

However, I've been unable to renew. It's been very frustrating.

Janina

Anders Holmberg writes:
> Hi!
> Is the fusion free of charge or do I have to pay for it?
> Bless.
> /A
> 
> > 11 feb. 2024 kl. 15:57 skrev 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
> > :
> > 
> > I get this when I try to install windows 11.
> > Check your Startup Disk in the virtual machine settings. If you have not 
> > installed an operating system yet, you can choose an installation disc or 
> > disc image in the CD/DVD settings and restart the virtual machine.
> > I???m on an Intel mac.
> > On Feb 11, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi!
> >> Vocr is so hard to use.
> >> I have tried that but was wondering should I turn off VoiceOver?
> >> /A
> >> 
> >>> 11 feb. 2024 kl. 00:57 skrev Kelly Ford :
> >>> 
> >>> Well,
> >>> 
> >>> I am now running a VMWare VM on my M1 Mac. I have to use VOCR to get 
> >>> through setup and then add VMWare tools.  Only then did I get Narrator 
> >>> sound.
> >>> 
> >>> I???m not entirely sure why because I did get the windows startup sound 
> >>> after going through the first steps of OS install where you enter a 
> >>> product key and such. But I didn???t have Narrator speech.
> >>> 
> >>> Kelly
> >>> 
> >>> 
>  On Feb 10, 2024, at 5:28???PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
>  
>  Hi,
>  
>  For what it is worth, my Mac updated to the latest developer beta today. 
>  VMware virtual machines do not shutdown immediately any longer but I???m 
>  not getting any sound from a VM to use Narrator during OS install
>  
>  I am trying to get through it with VOCR so we will see.
>  
>  
>  
> > On Feb 9, 2024, at 9:50???AM, Anders Holmberg  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi!
> > Hi!
> > Vocr is very very tedious.
> > So I rather not use any virtual machine.
> > I will try to find a refurbished laptop that I can install linux onto 
> > or windows.
> > Bless.
> > /A
> >> 8 feb. 2024 kl. 03:02 skrev 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
> >> :
> >> 
> >> How do you find Parallels? Are you all right using VOCR? I find it 
> >> very tedious and definitely would prefer to avoid that.
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Fusion is a paid product, but you can use Player for free if that meets your 
needs. It doesn't do certain things like snapshots IIRC, but you can run a 
Windows VM.

Concerning the configuration, I'd customise the VM for the first time 
immediately after creating it, before even starting it. Then you can make sure 
you have everything correct, including disk drive and boot order. Windows won't 
need to be reconfigured after setup, just install the VMWare Tools.

Cheers,
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Is the fusion free of charge or do I have to pay for it?
Bless.
/A

> 11 feb. 2024 kl. 15:57 skrev 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> I get this when I try to install windows 11.
> Check your Startup Disk in the virtual machine settings. If you have not 
> installed an operating system yet, you can choose an installation disc or 
> disc image in the CD/DVD settings and restart the virtual machine.
> I’m on an Intel mac.
> On Feb 11, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Vocr is so hard to use.
>> I have tried that but was wondering should I turn off VoiceOver?
>> /A
>> 
>>> 11 feb. 2024 kl. 00:57 skrev Kelly Ford :
>>> 
>>> Well,
>>> 
>>> I am now running a VMWare VM on my M1 Mac. I have to use VOCR to get 
>>> through setup and then add VMWare tools.  Only then did I get Narrator 
>>> sound.
>>> 
>>> I’m not entirely sure why because I did get the windows startup sound after 
>>> going through the first steps of OS install where you enter a product key 
>>> and such. But I didn’t have Narrator speech.
>>> 
>>> Kelly
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 10, 2024, at 5:28 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 For what it is worth, my Mac updated to the latest developer beta today. 
 VMware virtual machines do not shutdown immediately any longer but I’m not 
 getting any sound from a VM to use Narrator during OS install
 
 I am trying to get through it with VOCR so we will see.
 
 
 
> On Feb 9, 2024, at 9:50 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Hi!
> Vocr is very very tedious.
> So I rather not use any virtual machine.
> I will try to find a refurbished laptop that I can install linux onto or 
> windows.
> Bless.
> /A
>> 8 feb. 2024 kl. 03:02 skrev 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
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>> How do you find Parallels? Are you all right using VOCR? I find it very 
>> tedious and definitely would prefer to avoid that.
>> 
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries]

I get this when I try to install windows 11.
Check your Startup Disk in the virtual machine settings. If you have not 
installed an operating system yet, you can choose an installation disc or disc 
image in the CD/DVD settings and restart the virtual machine.
I’m on an Intel mac.
On Feb 11, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Vocr is so hard to use.
> I have tried that but was wondering should I turn off VoiceOver?
> /A
> 
>> 11 feb. 2024 kl. 00:57 skrev Kelly Ford :
>> 
>> Well,
>> 
>> I am now running a VMWare VM on my M1 Mac. I have to use VOCR to get through 
>> setup and then add VMWare tools.  Only then did I get Narrator sound.
>> 
>> I’m not entirely sure why because I did get the windows startup sound after 
>> going through the first steps of OS install where you enter a product key 
>> and such. But I didn’t have Narrator speech.
>> 
>> Kelly
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 10, 2024, at 5:28 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> For what it is worth, my Mac updated to the latest developer beta today. 
>>> VMware virtual machines do not shutdown immediately any longer but I’m not 
>>> getting any sound from a VM to use Narrator during OS install
>>> 
>>> I am trying to get through it with VOCR so we will see.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 9, 2024, at 9:50 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi!
 Hi!
 Vocr is very very tedious.
 So I rather not use any virtual machine.
 I will try to find a refurbished laptop that I can install linux onto or 
 windows.
 Bless.
 /A
> 8 feb. 2024 kl. 03:02 skrev 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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> How do you find Parallels? Are you all right using VOCR? I find it very 
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Vocr is so hard to use.
I have tried that but was wondering should I turn off VoiceOver?
/A

> 11 feb. 2024 kl. 00:57 skrev Kelly Ford :
> 
> Well,
> 
> I am now running a VMWare VM on my M1 Mac. I have to use VOCR to get through 
> setup and then add VMWare tools.  Only then did I get Narrator sound.
> 
> I’m not entirely sure why because I did get the windows startup sound after 
> going through the first steps of OS install where you enter a product key and 
> such. But I didn’t have Narrator speech.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
>> On Feb 10, 2024, at 5:28 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> For what it is worth, my Mac updated to the latest developer beta today. 
>> VMware virtual machines do not shutdown immediately any longer but I’m not 
>> getting any sound from a VM to use Narrator during OS install
>> 
>> I am trying to get through it with VOCR so we will see.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 9, 2024, at 9:50 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Hi!
>>> Vocr is very very tedious.
>>> So I rather not use any virtual machine.
>>> I will try to find a refurbished laptop that I can install linux onto or 
>>> windows.
>>> Bless.
>>> /A
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks for the report. I wonder why Narrator is now broken during setup? Do you 
suppose it applies to physical installs as well? Anyone know, tried it?

Anyway, I too am now running the beta and can confirm that it works for my 
Linux VM, in which I now have Braille through BRLTTY and, at least, PC Speaker 
support. Thank goodness. It was getting rather tortured, just using Terminal. 
But I’ve learned my lesson from this little episode, and that is that we must 
be prepared to jump out of an aeroplane at 30,000 feet, when times get 
desperate. Or something—I’m still working out what my options are, but keeping 
this BootCamp Windows partition seems prudent, as does getting to grips with 
UTM as a backup. I’d been meaning to renew this VM, anyway—it’s way out of date 
now.

Cheers,
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

[Kelly Ford]

Well,

I am now running a VMWare VM on my M1 Mac. I have to use VOCR to get through 
setup and then add VMWare tools.  Only then did I get Narrator sound.

I’m not entirely sure why because I did get the windows startup sound after 
going through the first steps of OS install where you enter a product key and 
such. But I didn’t have Narrator speech.

Kelly


> On Feb 10, 2024, at 5:28 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> For what it is worth, my Mac updated to the latest developer beta today. 
> VMware virtual machines do not shutdown immediately any longer but I’m not 
> getting any sound from a VM to use Narrator during OS install
> 
> I am trying to get through it with VOCR so we will see.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2024, at 9:50 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Hi!
>> Vocr is very very tedious.
>> So I rather not use any virtual machine.
>> I will try to find a refurbished laptop that I can install linux onto or 
>> windows.
>> Bless.
>> /A
>>> 8 feb. 2024 kl. 03:02 skrev 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

[Kelly Ford]

Hi,

For what it is worth, my Mac updated to the latest developer beta today. VMware 
virtual machines do not shutdown immediately any longer but I’m not getting any 
sound from a VM to use Narrator during OS install

I am trying to get through it with VOCR so we will see.



> On Feb 9, 2024, at 9:50 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Hi!
> Vocr is very very tedious.
> So I rather not use any virtual machine.
> I will try to find a refurbished laptop that I can install linux onto or 
> windows.
> Bless.
> /A
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Hi!
Vocr is very very tedious.
So I rather not use any virtual machine.
I will try to find a refurbished laptop that I can install linux onto or 
windows.
Bless.
/A
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

This bug affected both Intel and Apple Silicon Macs in the same way. Fusion 
does indeed work on Apple Silicon, when not affected by this bug. The latest 
Sonoma has fixed it; when I upgrade to the next minor point release, I'll see 
if the fix is in there, but if not then it's the next major point release that 
will have it, hopefully not too long.

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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

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   My Mac is Intel and VMware broke when I upgraded from Ventura  to 
Sonoma.


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On 2/8/2024 3:21 PM, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

Sorry to come in with no offer of help but a rather basic question on
thids topic.  Am I right in thinking from the discussion here that
people are/have been able to use Vmware Fusion on silicon-based Macs?
And that that had been working fine until Sonoma came along?  The
reason I ask is because I used to use Fusion on an older, intel-based
Macbook but thought when I bought a newer (2021) Macbook that the
silicon-based Macs couldn't be used with Fusion.  I gather from this
discussion and just reading at
https://blogs.vmware.com/teamfusion/2023/02/microsoft-now-officially-supports-windows-on-mac-computers-with-apple-silicon.html
that that changed?  But now Fusion isn't working with Sonoma.  Is that
an accurate summary of the situation?

Thanks,
Catherine
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Sorry to come in with no offer of help but a rather basic question on
thids topic.  Am I right in thinking from the discussion here that
people are/have been able to use Vmware Fusion on silicon-based Macs?
And that that had been working fine until Sonoma came along?  The
reason I ask is because I used to use Fusion on an older, intel-based
Macbook but thought when I bought a newer (2021) Macbook that the
silicon-based Macs couldn't be used with Fusion.  I gather from this
discussion and just reading at
https://blogs.vmware.com/teamfusion/2023/02/microsoft-now-officially-supports-windows-on-mac-computers-with-apple-silicon.html
that that changed?  But now Fusion isn't working with Sonoma.  Is that
an accurate summary of the situation?

Thanks,
Catherine
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

[Maurice A. Mines]

Hi just for  what  is is  worth, I amusing Parallels v 19.1 on  a  m2 Mac 
running fedora 38, and  windows 11 Arm 64. In  Windows I am  using Jaws 2024, 
J-Say v22.8 and  Dragon 15 pro standalone. The  spring version of NVDA for that 
same  Arm  version of  Microsoft Windows 11. In  Fedora I  am  using  Orca in 
the  gnome. That  is  my  setup and so fare  it  is  working for  me.

HTH Maurice  Mines

> On Feb 8, 2024, at 00:46, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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> Yes, I looked in detail at LiMa. No doubt it has some use cases even for pure 
> VM without containers, but it's not really laser-focussed on that; it doesn't 
> give that much control over the virtualization layer, and it adds a lot of 
> overhead and limited OS selection to boot. UTM wouldn't be my first choice 
> either, but it's a machine emulator, even when it's using Apple's frameworks, 
> and gives you all the control you'd need. It is primarily because it's a GUI 
> app from the Mac App Store that enables it to utilise certain privileges 
> without escalation, like network bridging, but that's not ideal for 
> unattended virtual machines and there's no support for USB hot-plugging in 
> that scenario. My ideal would be a CLI wrapper around the frameworks, but 
> nobody has written one that's feature-complete and signed by Apple for using 
> all the entitlements. So we're back to Fusion for an all-in-one solution.
> 
> Now for something completely different. What's your Linux environment like? 
> What is your preferred desktop?
> 
> Cheers,
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   I do have 13.5 stashed away. Problem I had before was trying to get 
a new free license for that version. Maybe I will try again if in fact 
the beta fixed the bug. Thanks for the offer! Feeling more hopeful 
now.This has been a long 5 months since Sonoma was released.


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On 2/7/2024 3:17 PM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:

The link was the one in my earlier email; here it is again:
https://communities.vmware.com/t5/VMware-Fusion-Discussions/VMs-shut-down-immediately-after-start-in-Fusion-Player-13-5-on/td-p/2992545

The really great news is that Apple have (surprise, surprise) just now updated 
Sonoma beta and, pending confirmation from another tester, fixed  the issue. 
Will miracles never cease?

I have the 13.5.0 disk image if you have a licence to run that. I dunno if 
earlier versions work, but 13.5 is definitely recommended for Sonoma. Let me 
know if you need this, I'll MailDrop it to you.

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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Missed that link but its now bookmarked. Cannot wait, what, 2-3 
weeks? Fingers crossed!


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On 2/7/2024 3:17 PM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:

The link was the one in my earlier email; here it is again:
https://communities.vmware.com/t5/VMware-Fusion-Discussions/VMs-shut-down-immediately-after-start-in-Fusion-Player-13-5-on/td-p/2992545

The really great news is that Apple have (surprise, surprise) just now updated 
Sonoma beta and, pending confirmation from another tester, fixed  the issue. 
Will miracles never cease?

I have the 13.5.0 disk image if you have a licence to run that. I dunno if 
earlier versions work, but 13.5 is definitely recommended for Sonoma. Let me 
know if you need this, I'll MailDrop it to you.

Cheers,
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

On 27/1/24 20:45, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I was happy to pay $10 9less one penny) for an accessible vm. Clearly,
I'm hoping this works out! I'll report when I've successfully started
running Arch in an UTM vm, or when I give up on trying.
This project, based on Qemu, received an endorsement in a podcast that I 
heard today:


https://github.com/lima-vm/lima

I have no information about its accessibility. It runs Linux in a 
virtual machine, supporting command line environments now, desktops 
still to come.


My preference is to run Linux directly on the hardware, but other people 
have different needs.


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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

The link was the one in my earlier email; here it is again:
https://communities.vmware.com/t5/VMware-Fusion-Discussions/VMs-shut-down-immediately-after-start-in-Fusion-Player-13-5-on/td-p/2992545

The really great news is that Apple have (surprise, surprise) just now updated 
Sonoma beta and, pending confirmation from another tester, fixed  the issue. 
Will miracles never cease?

I have the 13.5.0 disk image if you have a licence to run that. I dunno if 
earlier versions work, but 13.5 is definitely recommended for Sonoma. Let me 
know if you need this, I'll MailDrop it to you.

Cheers,
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

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   Meant to ask earlier, if in fact one can only run version 13 of 
VMware under Sonoma. Again, thanks.


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On 2/7/2024 10:53 AM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I don't hold out much hope to be honest, but I'll let you know if the beta 
fixes it, otherwise I'm looking at more time booted into Windows and using UTM 
for Linux. Meanwhile, if you're affected and you care, pester Apple 
Accessibility about it—it may not be their product, but it's certainly their 
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

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   Ok can you find an official link to that from VMware? Then I could 
forward that to Apple Accessibility. I think doing that would be more 
effective. If I do not need to go to version 13 of VMware, it would be 
easier for me. I have been having trouble accessing anything on their 
site including captchas. Its all been a headache but I am not up to 
changing VM software right now. Thanks.


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On 2/7/2024 10:53 AM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I don't hold out much hope to be honest, but I'll let you know if the beta 
fixes it, otherwise I'm looking at more time booted into Windows and using UTM 
for Linux. Meanwhile, if you're affected and you care, pester Apple 
Accessibility about it—it may not be their product, but it's certainly their 
bug, and VMWare have confirmed it.



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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

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I don't hold out much hope to be honest, but I'll let you know if the beta 
fixes it, otherwise I'm looking at more time booted into Windows and using UTM 
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Accessibility about it—it may not be their product, but it's certainly their 
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   I have not. Last I heard, in order to use VMware under Sonoma, one 
had to update VMware version 12 to version 13.


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On 2/7/2024 10:04 AM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:

So there’s activity on the VMWare Communities thread discussing this:
https://communities.vmware.com/t5/VMware-Fusion-Discussions/VMs-shut-down-immediately-after-start-in-Fusion-Player-13-5-on/td-p/2992545

I have yet to try the latest Sonoma beta to see if this is fixed, as suggested. 
Anyone else tried it yet? I probably will eventually, if not.

Cheers,
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

So there’s activity on the VMWare Communities thread discussing this:
https://communities.vmware.com/t5/VMware-Fusion-Discussions/VMs-shut-down-immediately-after-start-in-Fusion-Player-13-5-on/td-p/2992545

I have yet to try the latest Sonoma beta to see if this is fixed, as suggested. 
Anyone else tried it yet? I probably will eventually, if not.

Cheers,
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

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I'm on an M2 Max Pro laptop.

Findings so far: May need sighted assistance if using the pre-built
image to get the screen reader going in the VM.

Alternatively, I should be able to install from the installation ISO, I
should be able to arrow down once within the first 15 seconds of booting
the ISO to enable Speakup during installation. This is what I'm trying
to do so far without success so far.

Terje Str?mberg writes:
> Are you using one of te m1, m2, m3 mac models ? Or an Intel mac ?
> Take care
> 
> 
> 
> tir. 26. des. 2023 kl. 18:18 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries <
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>:
> 
> > If that is true, then I will stop using Windows. It runs fine on
> > Monterey so will keep that for backup.
> >
> >  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> > "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> >   -Helen Keller
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> >
> > On 12/26/2023 8:31 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > > Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get the
> > > free license.
> > >
> > > It turns out a lot of people have had issues with that, totally aside
> > > from any accessibility. I've wasted a lot of time trying to debug that.
> > >
> > > Furthermore, I'm concerned that VMware's new owners aren't going to pay
> > > much attention to accessibility given as how they just fired all the
> > > accessibility people from VMware. Way to go Broadcom! You're clearly not
> > > in tune with how to sell in the U.S. and the E.U.
> > >
> > > So, anyone want to make a wager on how long it will take them to learn
> > > and mend their ways?
> > >
> > > Argh!
> > >
> > > Janina
> > >
> > > 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
> > >> Yes that is what I determined is the issue. And I also can't get a
> > new
> > >> license key (free) for Player.
> > >>
> > >>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> > >> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> > >>   -Helen Keller
> > >> My e-Mail:
> > >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > >>
> > >> On 12/22/2023 12:48 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > >>> You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but that's
> > >>> another issue.
> > >>>
> > >>> hth
> > >>> Janina
> > >>>
> > >>> Anders Holmberg writes:
> >  Hi!
> >  DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
> >  Or do you still have the intel?
> >  /A
> > 
> > > 17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries <
> > macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>:
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> > > Hello all,
> > > Anyone using this app to run a Windows virtual machine on the
> > Mac? This broke under Sonoma where the VM will not start up. Thanks.
> > >
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

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Are you using one of te m1, m2, m3 mac models ? Or an Intel mac ?
Take care



tir. 26. des. 2023 kl. 18:18 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries <
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>:

> If that is true, then I will stop using Windows. It runs fine on
> Monterey so will keep that for backup.
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>   -Helen Keller
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 12/26/2023 8:31 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get the
> > free license.
> >
> > It turns out a lot of people have had issues with that, totally aside
> > from any accessibility. I've wasted a lot of time trying to debug that.
> >
> > Furthermore, I'm concerned that VMware's new owners aren't going to pay
> > much attention to accessibility given as how they just fired all the
> > accessibility people from VMware. Way to go Broadcom! You're clearly not
> > in tune with how to sell in the U.S. and the E.U.
> >
> > So, anyone want to make a wager on how long it will take them to learn
> > and mend their ways?
> >
> > Argh!
> >
> > Janina
> >
> > 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
> >> Yes that is what I determined is the issue. And I also can't get a
> new
> >> license key (free) for Player.
> >>
> >>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> >> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> >>   -Helen Keller
> >> My e-Mail:
> >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >>
> >> On 12/22/2023 12:48 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >>> You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.
> >>>
> >>> I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but that's
> >>> another issue.
> >>>
> >>> hth
> >>> Janina
> >>>
> >>> Anders Holmberg writes:
>  Hi!
>  DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
>  Or do you still have the intel?
>  /A
> 
> > 17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries <
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>:
> >
> > Hello all,
> > Anyone using this app to run a Windows virtual machine on the
> Mac? This broke under Sonoma where the VM will not start up. Thanks.
> >
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Matt! I'm downloading their pre-built Arch Linux image as I
write this.

I was happy to pay $10 9less one penny) for an accessible vm. Clearly,
I'm hoping this works out! I'll report when I've successfully started
running Arch in an UTM vm, or when I give up on trying.

Best,
Janina

'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi.
>  you can download UTM from the app store for $9 to support the developers, 
> but you don???t have to.
> you can get it for free from this link.
> https://mac.getutm.app
> 
> > On Jan 3, 2024, at 10:27 AM, matthew dyer  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I have not tried UTM, but looked at it in the App Store.  Is it accessible? 
> >  How does this work?  Thanks.
> > 
> > Matthew
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On Jan 2, 2024, at 6:08???PM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> This whole situation makes me sad. Of course it's less convenient to carry 
> >> multiple machines around, and there's basically no real choice to 
> >> dual-boot, so our VM tools have to work. When they're snatched away from 
> >> us by indifference to critical accessibility bugs, we suffer, not only 
> >> lost opportunity but arguably the entire value proposition of these 
> >> expensive machines, which need to run multiple operating systems to 
> >> compensate for the inadequacy of any single operating system. Sigh.
> >> 
> >> I'm looking at the possible options, but realistically if you need to use 
> >> Braille in your guest it's Parallels or UTM. You have various options if 
> >> you only need textmode access as such, like vmctl/vmcli or qemu, but that 
> >> gets us back to the problem of macOS Terminal. Certainly it can't hurt you 
> >> to learn tdsr, however it's not a substitute to Terminal or the Linux 
> >> screen readers for speech and braille, but an adjunct.
> >> 
> >> I hope vmWare is fixed soon, as I still find it to be the best option for 
> >> me. Maybe one day Apple's native virtualization.framework will support USB 
> >> passthrough and Ethernet bridging from a graphical and command line 
> >> utility, but until then your best choice is UTM or directly invoking qemu. 
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hi.
 you can download UTM from the app store for $9 to support the developers, but 
you don’t have to.
you can get it for free from this link.
https://mac.getutm.app

> On Jan 3, 2024, at 10:27 AM, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have not tried UTM, but looked at it in the App Store.  Is it accessible?  
> How does this work?  Thanks.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 2, 2024, at 6:08 PM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This whole situation makes me sad. Of course it's less convenient to carry 
>> multiple machines around, and there's basically no real choice to dual-boot, 
>> so our VM tools have to work. When they're snatched away from us by 
>> indifference to critical accessibility bugs, we suffer, not only lost 
>> opportunity but arguably the entire value proposition of these expensive 
>> machines, which need to run multiple operating systems to compensate for the 
>> inadequacy of any single operating system. Sigh.
>> 
>> I'm looking at the possible options, but realistically if you need to use 
>> Braille in your guest it's Parallels or UTM. You have various options if you 
>> only need textmode access as such, like vmctl/vmcli or qemu, but that gets 
>> us back to the problem of macOS Terminal. Certainly it can't hurt you to 
>> learn tdsr, however it's not a substitute to Terminal or the Linux screen 
>> readers for speech and braille, but an adjunct.
>> 
>> I hope vmWare is fixed soon, as I still find it to be the best option for 
>> me. Maybe one day Apple's native virtualization.framework will support USB 
>> passthrough and Ethernet bridging from a graphical and command line utility, 
>> but until then your best choice is UTM or directly invoking qemu. Good luck 
>> whatever you go with.
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

UTM is a graphical frontend to qemu. It's accessible, absolutely, once you have 
a feel for it—certainly more than Parallels which needs you to use VOCR just to 
get set up. Definitely give it a try and see if it meets your needs. The Spice 
guest tools (or qemu agent on other platforms) go into your guest VMs to have 
functionality that VMware Tools gives. Getting Windows initially set up is a 
wee bit tricky because no network, but that's easily overcome. I'm not sure how 
you'd find that but it's really no big deal, you open a command prompt and type 
a command, the machine reboots, and you go through setup without signing in to 
Microsoft. I've also never tried importing an existing VM, so I can't tell you 
how well that will go.

Good luck.

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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

[matthew dyer]

Hi,

I have not tried UTM, but looked at it in the App Store.  Is it accessible?  
How does this work?  Thanks.

Matthew



> On Jan 2, 2024, at 6:08 PM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> This whole situation makes me sad. Of course it's less convenient to carry 
> multiple machines around, and there's basically no real choice to dual-boot, 
> so our VM tools have to work. When they're snatched away from us by 
> indifference to critical accessibility bugs, we suffer, not only lost 
> opportunity but arguably the entire value proposition of these expensive 
> machines, which need to run multiple operating systems to compensate for the 
> inadequacy of any single operating system. Sigh.
> 
> I'm looking at the possible options, but realistically if you need to use 
> Braille in your guest it's Parallels or UTM. You have various options if you 
> only need textmode access as such, like vmctl/vmcli or qemu, but that gets us 
> back to the problem of macOS Terminal. Certainly it can't hurt you to learn 
> tdsr, however it's not a substitute to Terminal or the Linux screen readers 
> for speech and braille, but an adjunct.
> 
> I hope vmWare is fixed soon, as I still find it to be the best option for me. 
> Maybe one day Apple's native virtualization.framework will support USB 
> passthrough and Ethernet bridging from a graphical and command line utility, 
> but until then your best choice is UTM or directly invoking qemu. Good luck 
> whatever you go with.
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Yeah, it's working now. It wasn't a few years ago when I installed on my
2013 era Macbook Air.

ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com writes:
> Hi,
> 
> To get arch working just do the following at bootup.  When the boot menu pops 
> up, down arrow once and press enter.  When arch starts speaking, just type 
> archinstall and follow the prompts and you should be good.  HTH.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
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> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Monday, January 1, 2024 3:15 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: VMware Fusion/Player
> 
> If I can get the Arch Linux installer to give me an accessible
> installation, I'll go with Arch.
> 
> When I succeded with VMware on my 2013 era Macbook Air, I was unable to
> get the Arch installer to talk, so went with Debian. That worked
> wonderfully as long as the Air was my traveling laptop.
> 
> I've never used Asahi, but Speakup will work with any Linux. The issue
> with Speakup is how hard you have to work to get Speakup to work. On
> Arch and Debian it comes with the Linux kernel. On Fedora it does not,
> so one would have to recompile the kernel. I'm not up to speed on how
> one compiles kernels these days, and I don't want to spend my life
> compiling them just to run Fedora, for instance.
> 
> At the moment I'm stuck licensing VMware 13. I can get as far as
> inputting the license key. For some stupid reason the Fusion download
> isn't giving me the free license, even though I clearly qualify for it
> and it's the license I had on my Air. That little mess remains
> untangled, and it's where I've been stuck for almost a year.
> 
> Happy New Year,
> Janina
> 
> Anders Holmberg writes:
> > Hi!
> > Is this Debian or Arch you want to make running on the M2?
> > My Mac mini is a m1 but from what I know now there is only one linux that 
> > runs on Linux.
> >  Linux called Asahi but I guess you know more on Linux than I do.
> > Not sure if you can run this with speakup.
> > Bless.
> > /A
> > 
> > > 31 dec. 2023 kl. 04:12 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > > :
> > > 
> > > Ah, bless you Anders! I suspect running anything virtualized on your
> > > Macbook Air, or on mine would be a miracle on its own anymore. I did
> > > have it working on my Air for quite a few years, though. The trick now
> > > is to get it working on my M2! That's the machine I expect to travel
> > > with for the forseeable future.
> > > 
> > > Janina
> > > 
> > > Anders Holmberg writes:
> > >> Hi!
> > >> Ok,so you can use parallels  for other operating systems than Windows.
> > >> I have a MacBook Air from 2015 I never use but it may come out handy for 
> > >> the linux thing.
> > >> I could give it to you if you like but then you need to come to Sweden 
> > >> or I need to go where you live.
> > >> Bless.
> > >> /A
> > >> 
> > >>> 29 dec. 2023 kl. 19:16 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > >>> :
> > >>> 
> > >>> Let's say that I stumble along with the Mac Terminal whilst on the road
> > >>> with my Macbook. For me it's horribly clunky to do much of anything
> > >>> command line through that app, but it's not impossible in most
> > >>> situations.
> > >>> 
> > >>> This thread suggests to me that I should take another look at Parallels,
> > >>> though. I don't even need the Linux desktop, just the command line shell
> > >>> environment. This was working very well indeed on my old Mac Air. My
> > >>> problems started when I got my M2.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Janina
> > >>> 
> > >>> Anders Holmberg writes:
> > >>>> Hi!
> > >>>> Yes of corse.
> > >>>> I do understand that.
> > >>>> But do things work for you now?
> > >>>> Bless.
> > >>>> /A
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>> 29 dec. 2023 kl. 03:14 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > >>>>> :
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> Not me. Not enough room in my suitcase, which is when I need the Mac
> > >>>>> hosted Linux. I've a perfectly good native Linux in my office. I want
> > >>>>> the Linux VM for traveling.
> > >>>>> 
> >

RE: VMware Fusion/Player

[ilovecountrymusic483]

Hi,

To get arch working just do the following at bootup.  When the boot menu pops 
up, down arrow once and press enter.  When arch starts speaking, just type 
archinstall and follow the prompts and you should be good.  HTH.

Matthew



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-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, January 1, 2024 3:15 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VMware Fusion/Player

If I can get the Arch Linux installer to give me an accessible
installation, I'll go with Arch.

When I succeded with VMware on my 2013 era Macbook Air, I was unable to
get the Arch installer to talk, so went with Debian. That worked
wonderfully as long as the Air was my traveling laptop.

I've never used Asahi, but Speakup will work with any Linux. The issue
with Speakup is how hard you have to work to get Speakup to work. On
Arch and Debian it comes with the Linux kernel. On Fedora it does not,
so one would have to recompile the kernel. I'm not up to speed on how
one compiles kernels these days, and I don't want to spend my life
compiling them just to run Fedora, for instance.

At the moment I'm stuck licensing VMware 13. I can get as far as
inputting the license key. For some stupid reason the Fusion download
isn't giving me the free license, even though I clearly qualify for it
and it's the license I had on my Air. That little mess remains
untangled, and it's where I've been stuck for almost a year.

Happy New Year,
Janina

Anders Holmberg writes:
> Hi!
> Is this Debian or Arch you want to make running on the M2?
> My Mac mini is a m1 but from what I know now there is only one linux that 
> runs on Linux.
>  Linux called Asahi but I guess you know more on Linux than I do.
> Not sure if you can run this with speakup.
> Bless.
> /A
> 
> > 31 dec. 2023 kl. 04:12 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > :
> > 
> > Ah, bless you Anders! I suspect running anything virtualized on your
> > Macbook Air, or on mine would be a miracle on its own anymore. I did
> > have it working on my Air for quite a few years, though. The trick now
> > is to get it working on my M2! That's the machine I expect to travel
> > with for the forseeable future.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Anders Holmberg writes:
> >> Hi!
> >> Ok,so you can use parallels  for other operating systems than Windows.
> >> I have a MacBook Air from 2015 I never use but it may come out handy for 
> >> the linux thing.
> >> I could give it to you if you like but then you need to come to Sweden or 
> >> I need to go where you live.
> >> Bless.
> >> /A
> >> 
> >>> 29 dec. 2023 kl. 19:16 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>> :
> >>> 
> >>> Let's say that I stumble along with the Mac Terminal whilst on the road
> >>> with my Macbook. For me it's horribly clunky to do much of anything
> >>> command line through that app, but it's not impossible in most
> >>> situations.
> >>> 
> >>> This thread suggests to me that I should take another look at Parallels,
> >>> though. I don't even need the Linux desktop, just the command line shell
> >>> environment. This was working very well indeed on my old Mac Air. My
> >>> problems started when I got my M2.
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> Anders Holmberg writes:
> >>>> Hi!
> >>>> Yes of corse.
> >>>> I do understand that.
> >>>> But do things work for you now?
> >>>> Bless.
> >>>> /A
> >>>> 
> >>>>> 29 dec. 2023 kl. 03:14 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>>> :
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Not me. Not enough room in my suitcase, which is when I need the Mac
> >>>>> hosted Linux. I've a perfectly good native Linux in my office. I want
> >>>>> the Linux VM for traveling.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Anders Holmberg writes:
> >>>>>> Hi!
> >>>>>> I???d rather use an old laptop for such things.
> >>>>>> Even for linux.
> >>>>>> /A
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> On 26 Dec 2023, at 17:31, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>>>>>  wrote:
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get 
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> free license.

Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Jonathan. I would be happy to sharpen my Terminal skills. I have
no doubt but what they could be improved regardless of whether Linux is
a more compelling cli environment or not.

I would appreciate your reposting.

With appreciation,
Janina

Jonathan Cohn writes:
> I posted recently about  screen reader for terminal windows on the Mac. Would 
> it be helpful for me to re-find that posting?
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> > On Dec 28, 2023, at 9:14 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Not me. Not enough room in my suitcase, which is when I need the Mac
> > hosted Linux. I've a perfectly good native Linux in my office. I want
> > the Linux VM for traveling.
> > 
> > 
> > Anders Holmberg writes:
> >> Hi!
> >> I???d rather use an old laptop for such things.
> >> Even for linux.
> >> /A
> >> 
> >>> On 26 Dec 2023, at 17:31, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get the
> >>> free license.
> >>> 
> >>> It turns out a lot of people have had issues with that, totally aside
> >>> from any accessibility. I've wasted a lot of time trying to debug that.
> >>> 
> >>> Furthermore, I'm concerned that VMware's new owners aren't going to pay
> >>> much attention to accessibility given as how they just fired all the
> >>> accessibility people from VMware. Way to go Broadcom! You're clearly not
> >>> in tune with how to sell in the U.S. and the E.U.
> >>> 
> >>> So, anyone want to make a wager on how long it will take them to learn
> >>> and mend their ways?
> >>> 
> >>> Argh!
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
>   Yes that is what I determined is the issue. And I also can't get a new
>  license key (free) for Player.
>  
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>  -Helen Keller
>  My e-Mail:
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>  
>  On 12/22/2023 12:48 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.
> > 
> > I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but that's
> > another issue.
> > 
> > hth
> > Janina
> > 
> > Anders Holmberg writes:
> >> Hi!
> >> DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
> >> Or do you still have the intel?
> >> /A
> >> 
> >>> 17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> >>> :
> >>> 
> >>> Hello all,
> >>>  Anyone using this app to run a Windows virtual machine on the Mac? 
> >>> This broke under Sonoma where the VM will not start up. Thanks.
> >>> 
> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> >>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> >>> -Helen Keller
> >>> My e-Mail:
> >>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

[Jonathan Cohn]

I posted recently about  screen reader for terminal windows on the Mac. Would 
it be helpful for me to re-find that posting?

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 28, 2023, at 9:14 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not me. Not enough room in my suitcase, which is when I need the Mac
> hosted Linux. I've a perfectly good native Linux in my office. I want
> the Linux VM for traveling.
> 
> 
> Anders Holmberg writes:
>> Hi!
>> I???d rather use an old laptop for such things.
>> Even for linux.
>> /A
>> 
>>> On 26 Dec 2023, at 17:31, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get the
>>> free license.
>>> 
>>> It turns out a lot of people have had issues with that, totally aside
>>> from any accessibility. I've wasted a lot of time trying to debug that.
>>> 
>>> Furthermore, I'm concerned that VMware's new owners aren't going to pay
>>> much attention to accessibility given as how they just fired all the
>>> accessibility people from VMware. Way to go Broadcom! You're clearly not
>>> in tune with how to sell in the U.S. and the E.U.
>>> 
>>> So, anyone want to make a wager on how long it will take them to learn
>>> and mend their ways?
>>> 
>>> Argh!
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
  Yes that is what I determined is the issue. And I also can't get a new
 license key (free) for Player.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
 -Helen Keller
 My e-Mail:
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 12/22/2023 12:48 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.
> 
> I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but that's
> another issue.
> 
> hth
> Janina
> 
> Anders Holmberg writes:
>> Hi!
>> DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
>> Or do you still have the intel?
>> /A
>> 
>>> 17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>>  Anyone using this app to run a Windows virtual machine on the Mac? 
>>> This broke under Sonoma where the VM will not start up. Thanks.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>> -Helen Keller
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

If I can get the Arch Linux installer to give me an accessible
installation, I'll go with Arch.

When I succeded with VMware on my 2013 era Macbook Air, I was unable to
get the Arch installer to talk, so went with Debian. That worked
wonderfully as long as the Air was my traveling laptop.

I've never used Asahi, but Speakup will work with any Linux. The issue
with Speakup is how hard you have to work to get Speakup to work. On
Arch and Debian it comes with the Linux kernel. On Fedora it does not,
so one would have to recompile the kernel. I'm not up to speed on how
one compiles kernels these days, and I don't want to spend my life
compiling them just to run Fedora, for instance.

At the moment I'm stuck licensing VMware 13. I can get as far as
inputting the license key. For some stupid reason the Fusion download
isn't giving me the free license, even though I clearly qualify for it
and it's the license I had on my Air. That little mess remains
untangled, and it's where I've been stuck for almost a year.

Happy New Year,
Janina

Anders Holmberg writes:
> Hi!
> Is this Debian or Arch you want to make running on the M2?
> My Mac mini is a m1 but from what I know now there is only one linux that 
> runs on Linux.
>  Linux called Asahi but I guess you know more on Linux than I do.
> Not sure if you can run this with speakup.
> Bless.
> /A
> 
> > 31 dec. 2023 kl. 04:12 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > :
> > 
> > Ah, bless you Anders! I suspect running anything virtualized on your
> > Macbook Air, or on mine would be a miracle on its own anymore. I did
> > have it working on my Air for quite a few years, though. The trick now
> > is to get it working on my M2! That's the machine I expect to travel
> > with for the forseeable future.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Anders Holmberg writes:
> >> Hi!
> >> Ok,so you can use parallels  for other operating systems than Windows.
> >> I have a MacBook Air from 2015 I never use but it may come out handy for 
> >> the linux thing.
> >> I could give it to you if you like but then you need to come to Sweden or 
> >> I need to go where you live.
> >> Bless.
> >> /A
> >> 
> >>> 29 dec. 2023 kl. 19:16 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>> :
> >>> 
> >>> Let's say that I stumble along with the Mac Terminal whilst on the road
> >>> with my Macbook. For me it's horribly clunky to do much of anything
> >>> command line through that app, but it's not impossible in most
> >>> situations.
> >>> 
> >>> This thread suggests to me that I should take another look at Parallels,
> >>> though. I don't even need the Linux desktop, just the command line shell
> >>> environment. This was working very well indeed on my old Mac Air. My
> >>> problems started when I got my M2.
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> Anders Holmberg writes:
>  Hi!
>  Yes of corse.
>  I do understand that.
>  But do things work for you now?
>  Bless.
>  /A
>  
> > 29 dec. 2023 kl. 03:14 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > :
> > 
> > Not me. Not enough room in my suitcase, which is when I need the Mac
> > hosted Linux. I've a perfectly good native Linux in my office. I want
> > the Linux VM for traveling.
> > 
> > 
> > Anders Holmberg writes:
> >> Hi!
> >> I???d rather use an old laptop for such things.
> >> Even for linux.
> >> /A
> >> 
> >>> On 26 Dec 2023, at 17:31, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get 
> >>> the
> >>> free license.
> >>> 
> >>> It turns out a lot of people have had issues with that, totally aside
> >>> from any accessibility. I've wasted a lot of time trying to debug 
> >>> that.
> >>> 
> >>> Furthermore, I'm concerned that VMware's new owners aren't going to 
> >>> pay
> >>> much attention to accessibility given as how they just fired all the
> >>> accessibility people from VMware. Way to go Broadcom! You're clearly 
> >>> not
> >>> in tune with how to sell in the U.S. and the E.U.
> >>> 
> >>> So, anyone want to make a wager on how long it will take them to learn
> >>> and mend their ways?
> >>> 
> >>> Argh!
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
>  Yes that is what I determined is the issue. And I also can't get a 
>  new
>  license key (free) for Player.
>  
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>  -Helen Keller
>  My e-Mail:
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>  
>  On 12/22/2023 12:48 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.
> > 
> > I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but 
> > that's
> > another issue.
> > 
> 

Re: VMware Fusion/Player

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Is this Debian or Arch you want to make running on the M2?
My Mac mini is a m1 but from what I know now there is only one linux that runs 
on Linux.
 Linux called Asahi but I guess you know more on Linux than I do.
Not sure if you can run this with speakup.
Bless.
/A

> 31 dec. 2023 kl. 04:12 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Ah, bless you Anders! I suspect running anything virtualized on your
> Macbook Air, or on mine would be a miracle on its own anymore. I did
> have it working on my Air for quite a few years, though. The trick now
> is to get it working on my M2! That's the machine I expect to travel
> with for the forseeable future.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Anders Holmberg writes:
>> Hi!
>> Ok,so you can use parallels  for other operating systems than Windows.
>> I have a MacBook Air from 2015 I never use but it may come out handy for the 
>> linux thing.
>> I could give it to you if you like but then you need to come to Sweden or I 
>> need to go where you live.
>> Bless.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 29 dec. 2023 kl. 19:16 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Let's say that I stumble along with the Mac Terminal whilst on the road
>>> with my Macbook. For me it's horribly clunky to do much of anything
>>> command line through that app, but it's not impossible in most
>>> situations.
>>> 
>>> This thread suggests to me that I should take another look at Parallels,
>>> though. I don't even need the Linux desktop, just the command line shell
>>> environment. This was working very well indeed on my old Mac Air. My
>>> problems started when I got my M2.
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Anders Holmberg writes:
 Hi!
 Yes of corse.
 I do understand that.
 But do things work for you now?
 Bless.
 /A
 
> 29 dec. 2023 kl. 03:14 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Not me. Not enough room in my suitcase, which is when I need the Mac
> hosted Linux. I've a perfectly good native Linux in my office. I want
> the Linux VM for traveling.
> 
> 
> Anders Holmberg writes:
>> Hi!
>> I???d rather use an old laptop for such things.
>> Even for linux.
>> /A
>> 
>>> On 26 Dec 2023, at 17:31, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get the
>>> free license.
>>> 
>>> It turns out a lot of people have had issues with that, totally aside
>>> from any accessibility. I've wasted a lot of time trying to debug that.
>>> 
>>> Furthermore, I'm concerned that VMware's new owners aren't going to pay
>>> much attention to accessibility given as how they just fired all the
>>> accessibility people from VMware. Way to go Broadcom! You're clearly not
>>> in tune with how to sell in the U.S. and the E.U.
>>> 
>>> So, anyone want to make a wager on how long it will take them to learn
>>> and mend their ways?
>>> 
>>> Argh!
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
 Yes that is what I determined is the issue. And I also can't get a new
 license key (free) for Player.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
 -Helen Keller
 My e-Mail:
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 12/22/2023 12:48 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.
> 
> I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but that's
> another issue.
> 
> hth
> Janina
> 
> Anders Holmberg writes:
>> Hi!
>> DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
>> Or do you still have the intel?
>> /A
>> 
>>> 17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> Anyone using this app to run a Windows virtual machine on the Mac? 
>>> This broke under Sonoma where the VM will not start up. Thanks.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>> -Helen Keller
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Ok,so you can use parallels  for other operating systems than Windows.
I have a MacBook Air from 2015 I never use but it may come out handy for the 
linux thing.
I could give it to you if you like but then you need to come to Sweden or I 
need to go where you live.
Bless.
/A

> 29 dec. 2023 kl. 19:16 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Let's say that I stumble along with the Mac Terminal whilst on the road
> with my Macbook. For me it's horribly clunky to do much of anything
> command line through that app, but it's not impossible in most
> situations.
> 
> This thread suggests to me that I should take another look at Parallels,
> though. I don't even need the Linux desktop, just the command line shell
> environment. This was working very well indeed on my old Mac Air. My
> problems started when I got my M2.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Anders Holmberg writes:
>> Hi!
>> Yes of corse.
>> I do understand that.
>> But do things work for you now?
>> Bless.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 29 dec. 2023 kl. 03:14 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Not me. Not enough room in my suitcase, which is when I need the Mac
>>> hosted Linux. I've a perfectly good native Linux in my office. I want
>>> the Linux VM for traveling.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anders Holmberg writes:
 Hi!
 I???d rather use an old laptop for such things.
 Even for linux.
 /A
 
> On 26 Dec 2023, at 17:31, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get the
> free license.
> 
> It turns out a lot of people have had issues with that, totally aside
> from any accessibility. I've wasted a lot of time trying to debug that.
> 
> Furthermore, I'm concerned that VMware's new owners aren't going to pay
> much attention to accessibility given as how they just fired all the
> accessibility people from VMware. Way to go Broadcom! You're clearly not
> in tune with how to sell in the U.S. and the E.U.
> 
> So, anyone want to make a wager on how long it will take them to learn
> and mend their ways?
> 
> Argh!
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
>> Yes that is what I determined is the issue. And I also can't get a new
>> license key (free) for Player.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>> -Helen Keller
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 12/22/2023 12:48 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.
>>> 
>>> I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but that's
>>> another issue.
>>> 
>>> hth
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Anders Holmberg writes:
 Hi!
 DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
 Or do you still have the intel?
 /A
 
> 17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hello all,
> Anyone using this app to run a Windows virtual machine on the Mac? 
> This broke under Sonoma where the VM will not start up. Thanks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> -Helen Keller
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Let's say that I stumble along with the Mac Terminal whilst on the road
with my Macbook. For me it's horribly clunky to do much of anything
command line through that app, but it's not impossible in most
situations.

This thread suggests to me that I should take another look at Parallels,
though. I don't even need the Linux desktop, just the command line shell
environment. This was working very well indeed on my old Mac Air. My
problems started when I got my M2.

Janina

Anders Holmberg writes:
> Hi!
> Yes of corse.
> I do understand that.
> But do things work for you now?
> Bless.
> /A
> 
> > 29 dec. 2023 kl. 03:14 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > :
> > 
> > Not me. Not enough room in my suitcase, which is when I need the Mac
> > hosted Linux. I've a perfectly good native Linux in my office. I want
> > the Linux VM for traveling.
> > 
> > 
> > Anders Holmberg writes:
> >> Hi!
> >> I???d rather use an old laptop for such things.
> >> Even for linux.
> >> /A
> >> 
> >>> On 26 Dec 2023, at 17:31, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get the
> >>> free license.
> >>> 
> >>> It turns out a lot of people have had issues with that, totally aside
> >>> from any accessibility. I've wasted a lot of time trying to debug that.
> >>> 
> >>> Furthermore, I'm concerned that VMware's new owners aren't going to pay
> >>> much attention to accessibility given as how they just fired all the
> >>> accessibility people from VMware. Way to go Broadcom! You're clearly not
> >>> in tune with how to sell in the U.S. and the E.U.
> >>> 
> >>> So, anyone want to make a wager on how long it will take them to learn
> >>> and mend their ways?
> >>> 
> >>> Argh!
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
>   Yes that is what I determined is the issue. And I also can't get a new
>  license key (free) for Player.
>  
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>  -Helen Keller
>  My e-Mail:
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>  
>  On 12/22/2023 12:48 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.
> > 
> > I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but that's
> > another issue.
> > 
> > hth
> > Janina
> > 
> > Anders Holmberg writes:
> >> Hi!
> >> DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
> >> Or do you still have the intel?
> >> /A
> >> 
> >>> 17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> >>> :
> >>> 
> >>> Hello all,
> >>>  Anyone using this app to run a Windows virtual machine on the Mac? 
> >>> This broke under Sonoma where the VM will not start up. Thanks.
> >>> 
> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> >>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> >>> -Helen Keller
> >>> My e-Mail:
> >>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >>> 
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yes of corse.
I do understand that.
But do things work for you now?
Bless.
/A

> 29 dec. 2023 kl. 03:14 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Not me. Not enough room in my suitcase, which is when I need the Mac
> hosted Linux. I've a perfectly good native Linux in my office. I want
> the Linux VM for traveling.
> 
> 
> Anders Holmberg writes:
>> Hi!
>> I???d rather use an old laptop for such things.
>> Even for linux.
>> /A
>> 
>>> On 26 Dec 2023, at 17:31, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get the
>>> free license.
>>> 
>>> It turns out a lot of people have had issues with that, totally aside
>>> from any accessibility. I've wasted a lot of time trying to debug that.
>>> 
>>> Furthermore, I'm concerned that VMware's new owners aren't going to pay
>>> much attention to accessibility given as how they just fired all the
>>> accessibility people from VMware. Way to go Broadcom! You're clearly not
>>> in tune with how to sell in the U.S. and the E.U.
>>> 
>>> So, anyone want to make a wager on how long it will take them to learn
>>> and mend their ways?
>>> 
>>> Argh!
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
  Yes that is what I determined is the issue. And I also can't get a new
 license key (free) for Player.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
 -Helen Keller
 My e-Mail:
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 12/22/2023 12:48 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.
> 
> I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but that's
> another issue.
> 
> hth
> Janina
> 
> Anders Holmberg writes:
>> Hi!
>> DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
>> Or do you still have the intel?
>> /A
>> 
>>> 17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>>  Anyone using this app to run a Windows virtual machine on the Mac? 
>>> This broke under Sonoma where the VM will not start up. Thanks.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>> -Helen Keller
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Not me. Not enough room in my suitcase, which is when I need the Mac
hosted Linux. I've a perfectly good native Linux in my office. I want
the Linux VM for traveling.


Anders Holmberg writes:
> Hi!
> I???d rather use an old laptop for such things.
> Even for linux.
> /A
> 
> > On 26 Dec 2023, at 17:31, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get the
> > free license.
> > 
> > It turns out a lot of people have had issues with that, totally aside
> > from any accessibility. I've wasted a lot of time trying to debug that.
> > 
> > Furthermore, I'm concerned that VMware's new owners aren't going to pay
> > much attention to accessibility given as how they just fired all the
> > accessibility people from VMware. Way to go Broadcom! You're clearly not
> > in tune with how to sell in the U.S. and the E.U.
> > 
> > So, anyone want to make a wager on how long it will take them to learn
> > and mend their ways?
> > 
> > Argh!
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
> >>   Yes that is what I determined is the issue. And I also can't get a new
> >> license key (free) for Player.
> >> 
> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> >> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> >> -Helen Keller
> >> My e-Mail:
> >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >> 
> >> On 12/22/2023 12:48 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >>> You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.
> >>> 
> >>> I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but that's
> >>> another issue.
> >>> 
> >>> hth
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> Anders Holmberg writes:
>  Hi!
>  DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
>  Or do you still have the intel?
>  /A
>  
> > 17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> > :
> > 
> > Hello all,
> >   Anyone using this app to run a Windows virtual machine on the Mac? 
> > This broke under Sonoma where the VM will not start up. Thanks.
> > 
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I’d rather use an old laptop for such things.
Even for linux.
/A

> On 26 Dec 2023, at 17:31, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get the
> free license.
> 
> It turns out a lot of people have had issues with that, totally aside
> from any accessibility. I've wasted a lot of time trying to debug that.
> 
> Furthermore, I'm concerned that VMware's new owners aren't going to pay
> much attention to accessibility given as how they just fired all the
> accessibility people from VMware. Way to go Broadcom! You're clearly not
> in tune with how to sell in the U.S. and the E.U.
> 
> So, anyone want to make a wager on how long it will take them to learn
> and mend their ways?
> 
> Argh!
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>   Yes that is what I determined is the issue. And I also can't get a new
>> license key (free) for Player.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>> -Helen Keller
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 12/22/2023 12:48 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.
>>> 
>>> I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but that's
>>> another issue.
>>> 
>>> hth
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Anders Holmberg writes:
 Hi!
 DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
 Or do you still have the intel?
 /A
 
> 17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hello all,
>   Anyone using this app to run a Windows virtual machine on the Mac? This 
> broke under Sonoma where the VM will not start up. Thanks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> -Helen Keller
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I can’t find a source for the news that Broadcom fired accessibility team 
employees from VMware, although of course they did fire many employees, 
generally.

Anyway, I was rather annoyed to find that my Christmas wouldn’t go to plan 
because of the latest issues with Sonoma and Fusion. Something of a blow to we 
blind Mac-using folk, I think, and not one with a very good workaround. Keep 
piling on the pressure, as usual. Apple, in fact, rather than VMware, seem to 
be the culprit here, because of changes Apple made in AppKit, which breaks 
Fusion due to a safety check imposed on setuid binaries. They’re working on it 
though, apparently.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

[Maurice A. Mines]

Hi E.t. are you  DeafBlind? To. Be  fair  I  am  not  having any issues in my  
Parallels setup whin I  use  usb braille. Bare in  mind that  iam using Dragon 
15 Pro Stand alone. I also  use J-Say v 22 on  this  VM and  thanks to  reading 
this  about Brodcom firing all  accessibility staff  will  insure that  I  will 
never com back  to  Vm Ware, at  any price.

Maurice  Mines.

>  


> On Dec 26, 2023, at 17:18, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   If that is true, then I will stop using Windows. It runs fine on Monterey 
> so will keep that for backup.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> -Helen Keller
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 12/26/2023 8:31 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get the
>> free license.
>> It turns out a lot of people have had issues with that, totally aside
>> from any accessibility. I've wasted a lot of time trying to debug that.
>> Furthermore, I'm concerned that VMware's new owners aren't going to pay
>> much attention to accessibility given as how they just fired all the
>> accessibility people from VMware. Way to go Broadcom! You're clearly not
>> in tune with how to sell in the U.S. and the E.U.
>> So, anyone want to make a wager on how long it will take them to learn
>> and mend their ways?
>> Argh!
>> Janina
>> 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>>Yes that is what I determined is the issue. And I also can't get a new
>>> license key (free) for Player.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>>  -Helen Keller
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 12/22/2023 12:48 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.
 
 I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but that's
 another issue.
 
 hth
 Janina
 
 Anders Holmberg writes:
> Hi!
> DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
> Or do you still have the intel?
> /A
> 
>> 17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hello all,
>>Anyone using this app to run a Windows virtual machine on the Mac? 
>> This broke under Sonoma where the VM will not start up. Thanks.
>> 
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>> -Helen Keller
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   If that is true, then I will stop using Windows. It runs fine on 
Monterey so will keep that for backup.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
 -Helen Keller
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 12/26/2023 8:31 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get the
free license.

It turns out a lot of people have had issues with that, totally aside
from any accessibility. I've wasted a lot of time trying to debug that.

Furthermore, I'm concerned that VMware's new owners aren't going to pay
much attention to accessibility given as how they just fired all the
accessibility people from VMware. Way to go Broadcom! You're clearly not
in tune with how to sell in the U.S. and the E.U.

So, anyone want to make a wager on how long it will take them to learn
and mend their ways?

Argh!

Janina

'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:

Yes that is what I determined is the issue. And I also can't get a new
license key (free) for Player.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
  -Helen Keller
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 12/22/2023 12:48 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.

I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but that's
another issue.

hth
Janina

Anders Holmberg writes:

Hi!
DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
Or do you still have the intel?
/A


17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
:

Hello all,
Anyone using this app to run a Windows virtual machine on the Mac? This 
broke under Sonoma where the VM will not start up. Thanks.

  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
-Helen Keller
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

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RE: VMware Fusion/Player

[kellford1967]

Wow,

I hadn't heard they fired all the accessibility staff. That is truly 
unfortunate. There was a great deal of progress on making the clients 
themselves accessible, obviously far more than Parallels in my opinion.

Kelly



-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2023 10:32 AM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: VMware Fusion/Player

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get the free 
license.

It turns out a lot of people have had issues with that, totally aside from any 
accessibility. I've wasted a lot of time trying to debug that.

Furthermore, I'm concerned that VMware's new owners aren't going to pay much 
attention to accessibility given as how they just fired all the accessibility 
people from VMware. Way to go Broadcom! You're clearly not in tune with how to 
sell in the U.S. and the E.U.

So, anyone want to make a wager on how long it will take them to learn and mend 
their ways?

Argh!

Janina

'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
>Yes that is what I determined is the issue. And I also can't get a 
> new license key (free) for Player.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>  -Helen Keller
> My e-Mail:
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> 
> On 12/22/2023 12:48 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.
> > 
> > I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but 
> > that's another issue.
> > 
> > hth
> > Janina
> > 
> > Anders Holmberg writes:
> > > Hi!
> > > DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
> > > Or do you still have the intel?
> > > /A
> > > 
> > > > 17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> > > > :
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> > > > Hello all,
> > > >Anyone using this app to run a Windows virtual machine on the Mac? 
> > > > This broke under Sonoma where the VM will not start up. Thanks.
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get the
free license.

It turns out a lot of people have had issues with that, totally aside
from any accessibility. I've wasted a lot of time trying to debug that.

Furthermore, I'm concerned that VMware's new owners aren't going to pay
much attention to accessibility given as how they just fired all the
accessibility people from VMware. Way to go Broadcom! You're clearly not
in tune with how to sell in the U.S. and the E.U.

So, anyone want to make a wager on how long it will take them to learn
and mend their ways?

Argh!

Janina

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>Yes that is what I determined is the issue. And I also can't get a new
> license key (free) for Player.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>  -Helen Keller
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 12/22/2023 12:48 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.
> > 
> > I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but that's
> > another issue.
> > 
> > hth
> > Janina
> > 
> > Anders Holmberg writes:
> > > Hi!
> > > DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
> > > Or do you still have the intel?
> > > /A
> > > 
> > > > 17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> > > > :
> > > > 
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >Anyone using this app to run a Windows virtual machine on the Mac? 
> > > > This broke under Sonoma where the VM will not start up. Thanks.
> > > > 
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Yes that is what I determined is the issue. And I also can't get a 
new license key (free) for Player.


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On 12/22/2023 12:48 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.

I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but that's
another issue.

hth
Janina

Anders Holmberg writes:

Hi!
DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
Or do you still have the intel?
/A


17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
:

Hello all,
   Anyone using this app to run a Windows virtual machine on the Mac? This 
broke under Sonoma where the VM will not start up. Thanks.

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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

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You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.

I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but that's
another issue.

hth
Janina

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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

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Hi!
DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
Or do you still have the intel?
/A

> 17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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Re: VMware Fusion under Ventura

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   How did we get from VMware Fusion to Parallels? I specifically asked 
about Fusion. Are you i fact running Fusion?


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On 4/19/2023 12:47 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Sorry, I was confusing Fusion with Parallels.  I have heard that Parallels is 
supposed to be made accessible soon.  But I’m not going to be the guinea pig to 
try it out.


On Apr 18, 2023, at 8:33 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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   Come again?!

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On 4/18/2023 6:14 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries wrote:

You’re a brave man!

On Apr 18, 2023, at 8:02 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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   If anyone is running Fusion, I've a question. Please reply to me off list. 
Thanks.

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Re: VMware Fusion under Ventura

['Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries]

Sorry, I was confusing Fusion with Parallels.  I have heard that Parallels is 
supposed to be made accessible soon.  But I’m not going to be the guinea pig to 
try it out.

> On Apr 18, 2023, at 8:33 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
>   Come again?!
> 
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> will make violent revolution inevitable."
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> My e-Mail:
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> On 4/18/2023 6:14 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> You’re a brave man!
>>> On Apr 18, 2023, at 8:02 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   If anyone is running Fusion, I've a question. Please reply to me off 
>>> list. Thanks.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>> --John F. Kennedy
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
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Re: VMware Fusion under Ventura

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Come again?!

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
 --John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 4/18/2023 6:14 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries wrote:

You’re a brave man!




On Apr 18, 2023, at 8:02 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   If anyone is running Fusion, I've a question. Please reply to me off list. 
Thanks.

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will make violent revolution inevitable."
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Re: VMware Fusion under Ventura

['Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries]

You’re a brave man!



> On Apr 18, 2023, at 8:02 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   If anyone is running Fusion, I've a question. Please reply to me off list. 
> Thanks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: VMware Fusion Vs Virtualbox.

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
1 Do you have a free license?
2 Did you download a Windows 10 ISO?
If yes to both questions, Choose new from the file menu to create a new VM.


> On Dec 15, 2022, at 10:52 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> Ok, I think I’ve somewhat managed to get the installation process started, 
> after some playing around and having to allow my system settings access to my 
> accessibility settings and turning the switch on to VMware Fusion, which I 
> had no idea about.  So I’ve allowed VMware access to everything it’s popped 
> up so far, and now I’m at some weird window that’s saying something about 
> “enter unity” which is dimmed, but when I try to move around, I get the 
> message “VMware has no windows.” Can someone please explain this?
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2022, at 12:47 PM, Sheri Byrne  wrote:
>> 
>> Additionally, as a VMware accessibility team employee if you have issues 
>> I’ll make sure you get help :)
>> 
>> Sheri
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2022, at 9:41 AM, Maurice A. mines  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi NVDA works  vary  well  under  Vm Ware Fusion.  I don’t  think that  
>>> Virtual Box  is  usable by  a blind  user.
>>> 
>>> Maurice Mines.
>>> 
 On Dec 8, 2022, at 16:32, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Jessica,
 I'm replying to you on list so someone else can assist with how to deal 
 with NVDA.  Good luck!
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
 will make violent revolution inevitable."
 --John F. Kennedy
 My e-Mail:
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
> On 12/8/2022 8:12 AM, Jessica Moss wrote:
> Ok, I’m sure everyone is probably tired of hearing about this, but wanted 
> to give a heads-up.  I managed to finally find a direct link to download 
> the 64-bit ISO file from Microsoft, and think I managed to locate the 
> right file regarding VMware Fusion, considering at the moment, I’m just 
> wanting to run everything in trial mode just to see how it does.  I also 
> have downloaded NVDA and just have everything just sitting in my 
> downloads folder.
> So at this point, my question is, after I start the installation process 
> and I eventually get to the point where there’s no longer speech, how do 
> I go about installing NVDA, or would I be better off launching team 
> viewer, and having an Aira agent help me do the remainder?
>> On Dec 5, 2022, at 6:29 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> -Jessica,
>> Maybe I should first suggest another option. I took a quick look at 
>> Windows 11 on Amazon. One option is to buy for $139 and download then 
>> you can out it on a thumb drive though I don't know how big it is. Or, 
>> buy a PC. I saw an HP model for $189. If you want to look into getting a 
>> PC, there are other brands too like Dell.
>> 
>> For NVDA here is the web site.  It will give you the download button 
>> with the "no donation" button already selected.
>> 
>> https://www.nvaccess.org/download/
>> 
>> Here is the VMware site.
>> 
>> https://my.vmware.com/web/vmware/downloads/info/slug/desktop_end_user_computing/vmware_fusion/13_0
>> 
>> VMware Fusion Player 13 is the latest. If you choose to go this route 
>> and not a PC, you can install this using Voiceover. You can run it and 
>> look at its settings etc. Once you get a Windows ISO (image file) you 
>> can install it into Fusion.
>> 
>> You might want some sihted help after this to put the NVDA file on the 
>> Windows desktop. When you clock it, it will come up talking.
>> 
>> I hope this helps!
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>> --John F. Kennedy
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 12/5/2022 12:36 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
>>> I will be using NVDA, due to the fact that I unfortunately can’t afford 
>>> a license for Jaws, and using it in 40-minute mode too attempt to do 
>>> this training material isn’t going to work.
>>> Can you please send me a direct link to download these ISO files?   
>>> I’ve attempted to do several searches to obtain them, and found a site 
>>> that I thought led to where two find them along with instructions, but 
>>> is taking me in circles when it comes to downloading then.
>>> The site I ended up at was something called Minitool.com 
>>> , that supposedly redirects you to where to 
>>> download them, but just seems to take me to more news articles.
 On Dec 3, 2022, at 12:49 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Jessica,
 A quick note. If you want to use NVDA which is free, give me some time 
 to try something. In the meantime, ALL the VMware setup can be done 
 with Voiceover. So if you go ahead and get a Windows ISO, you're on 
 

Re: VMware Fusion Vs Virtualbox.

[Jessica Moss]

Ok, I think I’ve somewhat managed to get the installation process started, 
after some playing around and having to allow my system settings access to my 
accessibility settings and turning the switch on to VMware Fusion, which I had 
no idea about.  So I’ve allowed VMware access to everything it’s popped up so 
far, and now I’m at some weird window that’s saying something about “enter 
unity” which is dimmed, but when I try to move around, I get the message 
“VMware has no windows.” Can someone please explain this?

> On Dec 8, 2022, at 12:47 PM, Sheri Byrne  wrote:
> 
> Additionally, as a VMware accessibility team employee if you have issues I’ll 
> make sure you get help :)
> 
> Sheri
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2022, at 9:41 AM, Maurice A. mines  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi NVDA works  vary  well  under  Vm Ware Fusion.  I don’t  think that  
>> Virtual Box  is  usable by  a blind  user.
>> 
>> Maurice Mines.
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2022, at 16:32, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jessica,
>>> I'm replying to you on list so someone else can assist with how to deal 
>>> with NVDA.  Good luck!
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>> --John F. Kennedy
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 12/8/2022 8:12 AM, Jessica Moss wrote:
 Ok, I’m sure everyone is probably tired of hearing about this, but wanted 
 to give a heads-up.  I managed to finally find a direct link to download 
 the 64-bit ISO file from Microsoft, and think I managed to locate the 
 right file regarding VMware Fusion, considering at the moment, I’m just 
 wanting to run everything in trial mode just to see how it does.  I also 
 have downloaded NVDA and just have everything just sitting in my downloads 
 folder.
 So at this point, my question is, after I start the installation process 
 and I eventually get to the point where there’s no longer speech, how do I 
 go about installing NVDA, or would I be better off launching team viewer, 
 and having an Aira agent help me do the remainder?
> On Dec 5, 2022, at 6:29 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> -Jessica,
> Maybe I should first suggest another option. I took a quick look at 
> Windows 11 on Amazon. One option is to buy for $139 and download then you 
> can out it on a thumb drive though I don't know how big it is. Or, buy a 
> PC. I saw an HP model for $189. If you want to look into getting a PC, 
> there are other brands too like Dell.
> 
> For NVDA here is the web site.  It will give you the download button with 
> the "no donation" button already selected.
> 
> https://www.nvaccess.org/download/
> 
> Here is the VMware site.
> 
> https://my.vmware.com/web/vmware/downloads/info/slug/desktop_end_user_computing/vmware_fusion/13_0
> 
> VMware Fusion Player 13 is the latest. If you choose to go this route and 
> not a PC, you can install this using Voiceover. You can run it and look 
> at its settings etc. Once you get a Windows ISO (image file) you can 
> install it into Fusion.
> 
> You might want some sihted help after this to put the NVDA file on the 
> Windows desktop. When you clock it, it will come up talking.
> 
> I hope this helps!
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 12/5/2022 12:36 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
>> I will be using NVDA, due to the fact that I unfortunately can’t afford 
>> a license for Jaws, and using it in 40-minute mode too attempt to do 
>> this training material isn’t going to work.
>> Can you please send me a direct link to download these ISO files?   I’ve 
>> attempted to do several searches to obtain them, and found a site that I 
>> thought led to where two find them along with instructions, but is 
>> taking me in circles when it comes to downloading then.
>> The site I ended up at was something called Minitool.com 
>> , that supposedly redirects you to where to 
>> download them, but just seems to take me to more news articles.
>>> On Dec 3, 2022, at 12:49 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jessica,
>>> A quick note. If you want to use NVDA which is free, give me some time 
>>> to try something. In the meantime, ALL the VMware setup can be done 
>>> with Voiceover. So if you go ahead and get a Windows ISO, you're on 
>>> your way.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>> --John F. Kennedy
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> 
>>> On 12/2/2022 2:28 PM, Jessica 

Re: VMware Fusion Vs Virtualbox.

[Jessica Moss]

Thank you so much, can you please contact me off list?  I think I’ve got 
everything I need, just want to make sure I get everything up and running 
smoothly, and have the correct files and the like.

> On Dec 8, 2022, at 12:47 PM, Sheri Byrne  wrote:
> 
> Additionally, as a VMware accessibility team employee if you have issues I’ll 
> make sure you get help :)
> 
> Sheri
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2022, at 9:41 AM, Maurice A. mines  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi NVDA works  vary  well  under  Vm Ware Fusion.  I don’t  think that  
>> Virtual Box  is  usable by  a blind  user.
>> 
>> Maurice Mines.
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2022, at 16:32, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jessica,
>>> I'm replying to you on list so someone else can assist with how to deal 
>>> with NVDA.  Good luck!
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>> --John F. Kennedy
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 12/8/2022 8:12 AM, Jessica Moss wrote:
 Ok, I’m sure everyone is probably tired of hearing about this, but wanted 
 to give a heads-up.  I managed to finally find a direct link to download 
 the 64-bit ISO file from Microsoft, and think I managed to locate the 
 right file regarding VMware Fusion, considering at the moment, I’m just 
 wanting to run everything in trial mode just to see how it does.  I also 
 have downloaded NVDA and just have everything just sitting in my downloads 
 folder.
 So at this point, my question is, after I start the installation process 
 and I eventually get to the point where there’s no longer speech, how do I 
 go about installing NVDA, or would I be better off launching team viewer, 
 and having an Aira agent help me do the remainder?
> On Dec 5, 2022, at 6:29 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> -Jessica,
> Maybe I should first suggest another option. I took a quick look at 
> Windows 11 on Amazon. One option is to buy for $139 and download then you 
> can out it on a thumb drive though I don't know how big it is. Or, buy a 
> PC. I saw an HP model for $189. If you want to look into getting a PC, 
> there are other brands too like Dell.
> 
> For NVDA here is the web site.  It will give you the download button with 
> the "no donation" button already selected.
> 
> https://www.nvaccess.org/download/
> 
> Here is the VMware site.
> 
> https://my.vmware.com/web/vmware/downloads/info/slug/desktop_end_user_computing/vmware_fusion/13_0
> 
> VMware Fusion Player 13 is the latest. If you choose to go this route and 
> not a PC, you can install this using Voiceover. You can run it and look 
> at its settings etc. Once you get a Windows ISO (image file) you can 
> install it into Fusion.
> 
> You might want some sihted help after this to put the NVDA file on the 
> Windows desktop. When you clock it, it will come up talking.
> 
> I hope this helps!
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 12/5/2022 12:36 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
>> I will be using NVDA, due to the fact that I unfortunately can’t afford 
>> a license for Jaws, and using it in 40-minute mode too attempt to do 
>> this training material isn’t going to work.
>> Can you please send me a direct link to download these ISO files?   I’ve 
>> attempted to do several searches to obtain them, and found a site that I 
>> thought led to where two find them along with instructions, but is 
>> taking me in circles when it comes to downloading then.
>> The site I ended up at was something called Minitool.com 
>> , that supposedly redirects you to where to 
>> download them, but just seems to take me to more news articles.
>>> On Dec 3, 2022, at 12:49 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jessica,
>>> A quick note. If you want to use NVDA which is free, give me some time 
>>> to try something. In the meantime, ALL the VMware setup can be done 
>>> with Voiceover. So if you go ahead and get a Windows ISO, you're on 
>>> your way.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>> --John F. Kennedy
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> 
>>> On 12/2/2022 2:28 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
 Ok, that’s what I was afraid of, and to be honest, I think I need 
 whoever is willing to please contact me off list.  I have absolutely 
 no idea how to even get this started, have never done this before, so 
 I’m going to need some guidance, whether we do a team viewer 

Re: VMware Fusion Vs Virtualbox.

[Sheri Byrne]

Additionally, as a VMware accessibility team employee if you have issues I’ll 
make sure you get help :)

Sheri

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 8, 2022, at 9:41 AM, Maurice A. mines  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi NVDA works  vary  well  under  Vm Ware Fusion.  I don’t  think that  
> Virtual Box  is  usable by  a blind  user.
> 
> Maurice Mines.
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2022, at 16:32, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Jessica,
>>  I'm replying to you on list so someone else can assist with how to deal 
>> with NVDA.  Good luck!
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>> --John F. Kennedy
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 12/8/2022 8:12 AM, Jessica Moss wrote:
>>> Ok, I’m sure everyone is probably tired of hearing about this, but wanted 
>>> to give a heads-up.  I managed to finally find a direct link to download 
>>> the 64-bit ISO file from Microsoft, and think I managed to locate the right 
>>> file regarding VMware Fusion, considering at the moment, I’m just wanting 
>>> to run everything in trial mode just to see how it does.  I also have 
>>> downloaded NVDA and just have everything just sitting in my downloads 
>>> folder.
>>>  So at this point, my question is, after I start the installation process 
>>> and I eventually get to the point where there’s no longer speech, how do I 
>>> go about installing NVDA, or would I be better off launching team viewer, 
>>> and having an Aira agent help me do the remainder?
 On Dec 5, 2022, at 6:29 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 -Jessica,
  Maybe I should first suggest another option. I took a quick look at 
 Windows 11 on Amazon. One option is to buy for $139 and download then you 
 can out it on a thumb drive though I don't know how big it is. Or, buy a 
 PC. I saw an HP model for $189. If you want to look into getting a PC, 
 there are other brands too like Dell.
 
  For NVDA here is the web site.  It will give you the download button with 
 the "no donation" button already selected.
 
 https://www.nvaccess.org/download/
 
  Here is the VMware site.
 
 https://my.vmware.com/web/vmware/downloads/info/slug/desktop_end_user_computing/vmware_fusion/13_0
 
  VMware Fusion Player 13 is the latest. If you choose to go this route and 
 not a PC, you can install this using Voiceover. You can run it and look at 
 its settings etc. Once you get a Windows ISO (image file) you can install 
 it into Fusion.
 
  You might want some sihted help after this to put the NVDA file on the 
 Windows desktop. When you clock it, it will come up talking.
 
  I hope this helps!
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
 will make violent revolution inevitable."
 --John F. Kennedy
 My e-Mail:
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 12/5/2022 12:36 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
> I will be using NVDA, due to the fact that I unfortunately can’t afford a 
> license for Jaws, and using it in 40-minute mode too attempt to do this 
> training material isn’t going to work.
>  Can you please send me a direct link to download these ISO files?   I’ve 
> attempted to do several searches to obtain them, and found a site that I 
> thought led to where two find them along with instructions, but is taking 
> me in circles when it comes to downloading then.
> The site I ended up at was something called Minitool.com 
> , that supposedly redirects you to where to download 
> them, but just seems to take me to more news articles.
>> On Dec 3, 2022, at 12:49 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Jessica,
>>  A quick note. If you want to use NVDA which is free, give me some time 
>> to try something. In the meantime, ALL the VMware setup can be done with 
>> Voiceover. So if you go ahead and get a Windows ISO, you're on your way.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>> --John F. Kennedy
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>> 
>> On 12/2/2022 2:28 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
>>> Ok, that’s what I was afraid of, and to be honest, I think I need 
>>> whoever is willing to please contact me off list.  I have absolutely no 
>>> idea how to even get this started, have never done this before, so I’m 
>>> going to need some guidance, whether we do a team viewer session, back 
>>> and forth e-mail’s, or exchange numbers and stay on the phone as long 
>>> as one of us is able; I’m open to any of these.
 On Dec 2, 2022, at 12:45 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
 
 VMWare is definitely the superior product. However, Voiceover won’t do 
 anything once you are inside the virtual session. You would have 

Re: VMware Fusion Vs Virtualbox.

[Maurice A. mines]

Hi NVDA works  vary  well  under  Vm Ware Fusion.  I don’t  think that  Virtual 
Box  is  usable by  a blind  user.

Maurice Mines.

> On Dec 8, 2022, at 16:32, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jessica,
>   I'm replying to you on list so someone else can assist with how to deal 
> with NVDA.  Good luck!
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 12/8/2022 8:12 AM, Jessica Moss wrote:
>> Ok, I’m sure everyone is probably tired of hearing about this, but wanted to 
>> give a heads-up.  I managed to finally find a direct link to download the 
>> 64-bit ISO file from Microsoft, and think I managed to locate the right file 
>> regarding VMware Fusion, considering at the moment, I’m just wanting to run 
>> everything in trial mode just to see how it does.  I also have downloaded 
>> NVDA and just have everything just sitting in my downloads folder.
>>   So at this point, my question is, after I start the installation process 
>> and I eventually get to the point where there’s no longer speech, how do I 
>> go about installing NVDA, or would I be better off launching team viewer, 
>> and having an Aira agent help me do the remainder?
>>> On Dec 5, 2022, at 6:29 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> -Jessica,
>>>   Maybe I should first suggest another option. I took a quick look at 
>>> Windows 11 on Amazon. One option is to buy for $139 and download then you 
>>> can out it on a thumb drive though I don't know how big it is. Or, buy a 
>>> PC. I saw an HP model for $189. If you want to look into getting a PC, 
>>> there are other brands too like Dell.
>>> 
>>>   For NVDA here is the web site.  It will give you the download button with 
>>> the "no donation" button already selected.
>>> 
>>> https://www.nvaccess.org/download/
>>> 
>>>   Here is the VMware site.
>>> 
>>> https://my.vmware.com/web/vmware/downloads/info/slug/desktop_end_user_computing/vmware_fusion/13_0
>>> 
>>>   VMware Fusion Player 13 is the latest. If you choose to go this route and 
>>> not a PC, you can install this using Voiceover. You can run it and look at 
>>> its settings etc. Once you get a Windows ISO (image file) you can install 
>>> it into Fusion.
>>> 
>>>   You might want some sihted help after this to put the NVDA file on the 
>>> Windows desktop. When you clock it, it will come up talking.
>>> 
>>>   I hope this helps!
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>> --John F. Kennedy
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 12/5/2022 12:36 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
 I will be using NVDA, due to the fact that I unfortunately can’t afford a 
 license for Jaws, and using it in 40-minute mode too attempt to do this 
 training material isn’t going to work.
   Can you please send me a direct link to download these ISO files?   I’ve 
 attempted to do several searches to obtain them, and found a site that I 
 thought led to where two find them along with instructions, but is taking 
 me in circles when it comes to downloading then.
 The site I ended up at was something called Minitool.com 
 , that supposedly redirects you to where to download 
 them, but just seems to take me to more news articles.
> On Dec 3, 2022, at 12:49 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Jessica,
>   A quick note. If you want to use NVDA which is free, give me some time 
> to try something. In the meantime, ALL the VMware setup can be done with 
> Voiceover. So if you go ahead and get a Windows ISO, you're on your way.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> 
> On 12/2/2022 2:28 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
>> Ok, that’s what I was afraid of, and to be honest, I think I need 
>> whoever is willing to please contact me off list.  I have absolutely no 
>> idea how to even get this started, have never done this before, so I’m 
>> going to need some guidance, whether we do a team viewer session, back 
>> and forth e-mail’s, or exchange numbers and stay on the phone as long as 
>> one of us is able; I’m open to any of these.
>>> On Dec 2, 2022, at 12:45 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> VMWare is definitely the superior product. However, Voiceover won’t do 
>>> anything once you are inside the virtual session. You would have to 
>>> install NVDA or JAWS  inside the VMWare session in order to make 
>>> windows fully accessible. Btw, I don’t trust narrator to be more than 
>>> basic system accessibility only, hence my suggestions for superior 
>>> screen readers.
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> 

Re: VMware Fusion Vs Virtualbox.

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Jessica,
   I'm replying to you on list so someone else can assist with how to 
deal with NVDA.  Good luck!


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
 --John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 12/8/2022 8:12 AM, Jessica Moss wrote:

Ok, I’m sure everyone is probably tired of hearing about this, but wanted to 
give a heads-up.  I managed to finally find a direct link to download the 
64-bit ISO file from Microsoft, and think I managed to locate the right file 
regarding VMware Fusion, considering at the moment, I’m just wanting to run 
everything in trial mode just to see how it does.  I also have downloaded NVDA 
and just have everything just sitting in my downloads folder.
   So at this point, my question is, after I start the installation process and 
I eventually get to the point where there’s no longer speech, how do I go about 
installing NVDA, or would I be better off launching team viewer, and having an 
Aira agent help me do the remainder?


On Dec 5, 2022, at 6:29 PM, E.T.  wrote:

-Jessica,
   Maybe I should first suggest another option. I took a quick look at Windows 
11 on Amazon. One option is to buy for $139 and download then you can out it on 
a thumb drive though I don't know how big it is. Or, buy a PC. I saw an HP 
model for $189. If you want to look into getting a PC, there are other brands 
too like Dell.

   For NVDA here is the web site.  It will give you the download button with the "no 
donation" button already selected.

https://www.nvaccess.org/download/

   Here is the VMware site.

https://my.vmware.com/web/vmware/downloads/info/slug/desktop_end_user_computing/vmware_fusion/13_0

   VMware Fusion Player 13 is the latest. If you choose to go this route and 
not a PC, you can install this using Voiceover. You can run it and look at its 
settings etc. Once you get a Windows ISO (image file) you can install it into 
Fusion.

   You might want some sihted help after this to put the NVDA file on the 
Windows desktop. When you clock it, it will come up talking.

   I hope this helps!

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 12/5/2022 12:36 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:

I will be using NVDA, due to the fact that I unfortunately can’t afford a 
license for Jaws, and using it in 40-minute mode too attempt to do this 
training material isn’t going to work.
   Can you please send me a direct link to download these ISO files?   I’ve 
attempted to do several searches to obtain them, and found a site that I 
thought led to where two find them along with instructions, but is taking me in 
circles when it comes to downloading then.
The site I ended up at was something called Minitool.com , 
that supposedly redirects you to where to download them, but just seems to take me to 
more news articles.

On Dec 3, 2022, at 12:49 PM, E.T.  wrote:

Jessica,
   A quick note. If you want to use NVDA which is free, give me some time to 
try something. In the meantime, ALL the VMware setup can be done with 
Voiceover. So if you go ahead and get a Windows ISO, you're on your way.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com 

On 12/2/2022 2:28 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:

Ok, that’s what I was afraid of, and to be honest, I think I need whoever is 
willing to please contact me off list.  I have absolutely no idea how to even 
get this started, have never done this before, so I’m going to need some 
guidance, whether we do a team viewer session, back and forth e-mail’s, or 
exchange numbers and stay on the phone as long as one of us is able; I’m open 
to any of these.

On Dec 2, 2022, at 12:45 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:

VMWare is definitely the superior product. However, Voiceover won’t do anything 
once you are inside the virtual session. You would have to install NVDA or JAWS 
 inside the VMWare session in order to make windows fully accessible. Btw, I 
don’t trust narrator to be more than basic system accessibility only, hence my 
suggestions for superior screen readers.

-Eric



On Dec 1, 2022, at 9:18 AM, Jessica Moss mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com>>> wrote:

I’m still looking into installing Windows on my Mac, in order to attempt to finish my training 
materials throughdhs.org >, 
which has come to a halt,, due to the fact that in order to use the testing tools they provide, 
they’re only available for the Windows platform. My supervisor told me about something called 
Vertualbox, which is free to install Windows on, as opposed to VMware Fusion, but he had no idea 
if it was usable with Voiceover.  

Re: VMware Fusion Vs Virtualbox.

[Eric Oyen]

I wish I could, but I am in the middle of a marketing project that takes most 
of my time. I am fairly certain there are qualified folks on here. There was an 
ad on the blind ads list earlier where someone offered services to help 
remotely setup and install windows (including screen reader support). Might 
want to check over there.

-Eric


> On Dec 2, 2022, at 3:28 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> Ok, that’s what I was afraid of, and to be honest, I think I need whoever is 
> willing to please contact me off list.  I have absolutely no idea how to even 
> get this started, have never done this before, so I’m going to need some 
> guidance, whether we do a team viewer session, back and forth e-mail’s, or 
> exchange numbers and stay on the phone as long as one of us is able; I’m open 
> to any of these.
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2022, at 12:45 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> VMWare is definitely the superior product. However, Voiceover won’t do 
>> anything once you are inside the virtual session. You would have to install 
>> NVDA or JAWS  inside the VMWare session in order to make windows fully 
>> accessible. Btw, I don’t trust narrator to be more than basic system 
>> accessibility only, hence my suggestions for superior screen readers.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2022, at 9:18 AM, Jessica Moss >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m still looking into installing Windows on my Mac, in order to attempt to 
>>> finish my training materials through dhs.org , which has 
>>> come to a halt,, due to the fact that in order to use the testing tools 
>>> they provide, they’re only available for the Windows platform.  My 
>>> supervisor told me about something called Vertualbox, which is free to 
>>> install Windows on, as opposed to VMware Fusion, but he had no idea if it 
>>> was usable with Voiceover.  Can anyone with experience with either/or 
>>> please give me some tips on how to run them?
>>>   I don’t currently own a copy of Windows, so will have to find out how to 
>>> obtain everything/get things up and running.
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Re: VMware Fusion Vs Virtualbox.

[Jessica Moss]

Ok, that’s what I was afraid of, and to be honest, I think I need whoever is 
willing to please contact me off list.  I have absolutely no idea how to even 
get this started, have never done this before, so I’m going to need some 
guidance, whether we do a team viewer session, back and forth e-mail’s, or 
exchange numbers and stay on the phone as long as one of us is able; I’m open 
to any of these.

> On Dec 2, 2022, at 12:45 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> VMWare is definitely the superior product. However, Voiceover won’t do 
> anything once you are inside the virtual session. You would have to install 
> NVDA or JAWS  inside the VMWare session in order to make windows fully 
> accessible. Btw, I don’t trust narrator to be more than basic system 
> accessibility only, hence my suggestions for superior screen readers.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2022, at 9:18 AM, Jessica Moss > > wrote:
>> 
>> I’m still looking into installing Windows on my Mac, in order to attempt to 
>> finish my training materials through dhs.org , which has 
>> come to a halt,, due to the fact that in order to use the testing tools they 
>> provide, they’re only available for the Windows platform.  My supervisor 
>> told me about something called Vertualbox, which is free to install Windows 
>> on, as opposed to VMware Fusion, but he had no idea if it was usable with 
>> Voiceover.  Can anyone with experience with either/or please give me some 
>> tips on how to run them?
>>   I don’t currently own a copy of Windows, so will have to find out how to 
>> obtain everything/get things up and running.
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Re: VMware Fusion Vs Virtualbox.

[Eric Oyen]

VMWare is definitely the superior product. However, Voiceover won’t do anything 
once you are inside the virtual session. You would have to install NVDA or JAWS 
 inside the VMWare session in order to make windows fully accessible. Btw, I 
don’t trust narrator to be more than basic system accessibility only, hence my 
suggestions for superior screen readers.

-Eric


> On Dec 1, 2022, at 9:18 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
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> finish my training materials through dhs.org , which has 
> come to a halt,, due to the fact that in order to use the testing tools they 
> provide, they’re only available for the Windows platform.  My supervisor told 
> me about something called Vertualbox, which is free to install Windows on, as 
> opposed to VMware Fusion, but he had no idea if it was usable with Voiceover. 
>  Can anyone with experience with either/or please give me some tips on how to 
> run them?
>   I don’t currently own a copy of Windows, so will have to find out how to 
> obtain everything/get things up and running.
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Re: VMware Fusion Vs Virtualbox.

[Maurice A. mines]

Hi I wood  stick with  Vmw Ware I have  been  using this  software for  more  
than  tin years, and  have  had  vary  few  problems.

Maurice  Mines.

> On Dec 1, 2022, at 16:18, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I’m still looking into installing Windows on my Mac, in order to attempt to 
> finish my training materials through dhs.org , which has 
> come to a halt,, due to the fact that in order to use the testing tools they 
> provide, they’re only available for the Windows platform.  My supervisor told 
> me about something called Vertualbox, which is free to install Windows on, as 
> opposed to VMware Fusion, but he had no idea if it was usable with Voiceover. 
>  Can anyone with experience with either/or please give me some tips on how to 
> run them?
>   I don’t currently own a copy of Windows, so will have to find out how to 
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Re: VMware Fusion and Login Items

[Matthew Dyer]

Hi,



I used vmware fusion in the beta and had the same thing it is quite 
annoying.



Matthew



On 11/2/2022 2:47 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
   This question is for anyone who is running VMware Fusion under 
Ventura. That app is not in the login items list relating to 
background checks. When I launch the app, I always get a notification 
that suggests I can enable this which I do not want.


   The app appears in the list and I toggle it to 'no'. Makes no 
difference. I haven't found any setting that might resolve this. Any 
ideas? Thanks much.


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Re: VMWare Fusion On Mac OS Monterey

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Well, for  me it works but you might add more than 4 gb ram.
& gb for example.
/A

> 24 apr. 2022 kl. 16:39 skrev Pete De Vasto :
> 
> Hi all,
> If this has come up before, apologies for the repeat. I’ve upgraded my early 
> 2015 MacBook Air to Monterey, and am now trying to get VMWare Fusion up and 
> running. I had one of the earliest instances of VMWare 11 previously, and 
> removed it first, then I installed the latest version, 12.2 I think it is. 
> I’ve got a free personal license, and used the Easy Install feature, but 
> whenever I try to start my Windows 10 Home X64 machine, it either hangs or I 
> can’t seem to get to the machine’s window. The Windows machine is configured 
> with all of VMWare’s defaults, except I increased memory to 4GB instead of 
> 2GB. If anyone is using VMWare under Monterey, do you have any ideas of 
> settings I might need to change? I guess it could be that early 2015 MacBook 
> Airs are a little too old as well.
> Thanks for any help or ideas,
> Pete De Vasto
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Re: VMWare Fusion On Mac OS Monterey

[Maurice Mines]

First of all let me say I’m dictating this to my phone because I’m just waking 
up. To don’t use VMware 11 you can only use version 12. I would strongly 
suggest the free version if that doesn’t work you’re likely to have to use 
parallel VMware with Drew from the Mac market as far as OS X Monterey they are 
focusing on the UNIX crowd not the Mac crowd I have used parallels but here’s a 
warning if they configuration doesn’t work it will mess with Apple‘s power 
management I have a MacBook Pro 2020 and long story short when I did that it 
went into a crash and reboot loop I have abandoned putting windows on my Mac 
but because I have to use windows or dictation  dictation one can read, 
separate windows machine now. Back and windows are now on different hardware. 
Works much better for me I’m not saying this is your situation nor am I 
suggesting that you should. I just want to make certain that you and others are 
aware of the issues.  Again please remember I’m dictating this to my phone so 
if you can’t understand some thing just ask me what I meant. Oh final note this 
doesn’t involve organizational endorsement or even advice on this. This is just 
the signature that goes on my phone. 

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> On Apr 24, 2022, at 7:39 AM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> If this has come up before, apologies for the repeat. I’ve upgraded my early 
> 2015 MacBook Air to Monterey, and am now trying to get VMWare Fusion up and 
> running. I had one of the earliest instances of VMWare 11 previously, and 
> removed it first, then I installed the latest version, 12.2 I think it is. 
> I’ve got a free personal license, and used the Easy Install feature, but 
> whenever I try to start my Windows 10 Home X64 machine, it either hangs or I 
> can’t seem to get to the machine’s window. The Windows machine is configured 
> with all of VMWare’s defaults, except I increased memory to 4GB instead of 
> 2GB. If anyone is using VMWare under Monterey, do you have any ideas of 
> settings I might need to change? I guess it could be that early 2015 MacBook 
> Airs are a little too old as well.
> Thanks for any help or ideas,
> Pete De Vasto
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Re: VMWare Fusion On Mac OS Monterey

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Good probability that there was an error message on the screen that you need to 
look at. I had issues with the boot partition and windows failing giving some 
things like this.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 24, 2022, at 10:39 AM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> If this has come up before, apologies for the repeat. I’ve upgraded my early 
> 2015 MacBook Air to Monterey, and am now trying to get VMWare Fusion up and 
> running. I had one of the earliest instances of VMWare 11 previously, and 
> removed it first, then I installed the latest version, 12.2 I think it is. 
> I’ve got a free personal license, and used the Easy Install feature, but 
> whenever I try to start my Windows 10 Home X64 machine, it either hangs or I 
> can’t seem to get to the machine’s window. The Windows machine is configured 
> with all of VMWare’s defaults, except I increased memory to 4GB instead of 
> 2GB. If anyone is using VMWare under Monterey, do you have any ideas of 
> settings I might need to change? I guess it could be that early 2015 MacBook 
> Airs are a little too old as well.
> Thanks for any help or ideas,
> Pete De Vasto
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Re: vmware fusion and bootcamp partition question

[The wolf]

Hello it was just a suggestion

from what I under stnd you can not resize the boot camp partition once 
it has been created


On 7/20/2021 6:32 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
Why do you think reloading the OS will help? There are often less 
drastic ways to correct an issue. I'm curious with APFS volumes  the 
partition sizing can be adjusted after initially being created, does 
this extend to the Bootcamp partition too? If so, then you could just 
adjust later in disk utility.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



On Jul 20, 2021, at 00:49, The wolf > wrote:


Hello

I will give it another go on vmware fusion.

I am still running in to the weird bootcamp slider issue as well

am wondering if I should just reload the mac operating system?

Hank


On 7/19/2021 5:46 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
It just works. Sometimes I push an arrow key to get it to take focus 
but just putting your voiceover cursor into the VM will cause it to 
be taking control. Then when you’re ready to stop using the VM you 
need to push control and option.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 17, 2021, at 5:58 PM, The wolf > wrote:


Hello

I tried doing that and it isn't working

is ther4e anything else you can suggest fore both issues?

Hank



On 7/17/2021 2:25 PM, Matthew Dyer wrote:
Matthew



sorry, if you tried switching to fullscreen mode while the vm 
window.  HTH.




Hi,





On 7/17/2021 5:15 PM, The wolf wrote:
think you missed typed in your last email

Areusing full scren.  If not, try that and see what happens.  I 
am using fussion 12 with no problems.

can you resend?

Hank


On 7/17/2021 2:14 PM, Matthew Dyer wrote:

Matthew



Areusing full scren.  If not, try that and see what happens. I 
am using fussion 12 with no problems.




Hi,




On 7/17/2021 5:04 PM, The wolf wrote:

Hello

cmd plus G does not work in vmware fusion 12

and there is no slider wwhat so ever when setting up boot camp 
using the assistant


am confused

I am using the latest osx if that helps any

thanks

Hank


On 7/16/2021 12:42 PM, Matthew Dyer wrote:

Matthew



You can get command ofthe vm was using cmd plus G.  The 
bootcamp partition can be set was using the sider. Interactive 
withthe slider and VO left and right til you have it set the 
way you want then click next.




Hi



On 7/15/2021 7:04 PM, The wolf wrote:

Hello

I have a couple of questions  sent this to the list a couple 
of days ago and have not heard back


in vmware fusion 12

once you start a virtual machine how do you get control of 
the virtual machine to start using it what is the keyboard 
command fore that?


on bootcamp assistant when you choose the size of the 
partition how do you do that?


I can not find the part to change the amount that you set 
aside fore the bootcamp partition and I need to change it


can I please get some help on these questions

thanks

Hank




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Re: vmware fusion and bootcamp partition question

[The wolf]

Hello

I will give it another go on vmware fusion.

I am still running in to the weird bootcamp slider issue as well

am wondering if I should just reload the mac operating system?

Hank


On 7/19/2021 5:46 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

It just works. Sometimes I push an arrow key to get it to take focus but just 
putting your voiceover cursor into the VM will cause it to be taking control. 
Then when you’re ready to stop using the VM you need to push control and option.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 17, 2021, at 5:58 PM, The wolf  wrote:

Hello

I tried doing that and it isn't working

is ther4e anything else you can suggest fore both issues?

Hank



On 7/17/2021 2:25 PM, Matthew Dyer wrote:
Matthew



sorry, if you tried switching to fullscreen mode while the vm window.  HTH.



Hi,





On 7/17/2021 5:15 PM, The wolf wrote:
think you missed typed in your last email

Areusing full scren.  If not, try that and see what happens.  I am using 
fussion 12 with no problems.
can you resend?

Hank


On 7/17/2021 2:14 PM, Matthew Dyer wrote:

Matthew



Areusing full scren.  If not, try that and see what happens. I am using fussion 
12 with no problems.



Hi,




On 7/17/2021 5:04 PM, The wolf wrote:

Hello

cmd plus G does not work in vmware fusion 12

and there is no slider wwhat so ever when setting up boot camp using the 
assistant

am confused

I am using the latest osx if that helps any

thanks

Hank


On 7/16/2021 12:42 PM, Matthew Dyer wrote:

Matthew



You can get command ofthe vm was using cmd plus G.  The bootcamp partition can 
be set was using the sider. Interactive withthe slider and VO left and right 
til you have it set the way you want then click next.



Hi



On 7/15/2021 7:04 PM, The wolf wrote:

Hello

I have a couple of questions  sent this to the list a couple of days ago and 
have not heard back

in vmware fusion 12

once you start a virtual machine how do you get control of the virtual machine 
to start using it what is the keyboard command fore that?

on bootcamp assistant when you choose the size of the partition how do you do 
that?

I can not find the part to change the amount that you set aside fore the 
bootcamp partition and I need to change it

can I please get some help on these questions

thanks

Hank




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Re: vmware fusion and bootcamp partition question

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

It just works. Sometimes I push an arrow key to get it to take focus but just 
putting your voiceover cursor into the VM will cause it to be taking control. 
Then when you’re ready to stop using the VM you need to push control and option.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 17, 2021, at 5:58 PM, The wolf  wrote:
> 
> Hello
> 
> I tried doing that and it isn't working
> 
> is ther4e anything else you can suggest fore both issues?
> 
> Hank
> 
> 
>> On 7/17/2021 2:25 PM, Matthew Dyer wrote:
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> sorry, if you tried switching to fullscreen mode while the vm window.  HTH.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/17/2021 5:15 PM, The wolf wrote:
>>> think you missed typed in your last email
>>> 
>>> Areusing full scren.  If not, try that and see what happens.  I am using 
>>> fussion 12 with no problems.
>>> can you resend?
>>> 
>>> Hank
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/17/2021 2:14 PM, Matthew Dyer wrote:
 Matthew
 
 
 
 Areusing full scren.  If not, try that and see what happens. I am using 
 fussion 12 with no problems.
 
 
 
 Hi,
 
 
 
 
 On 7/17/2021 5:04 PM, The wolf wrote:
> Hello
> 
> cmd plus G does not work in vmware fusion 12
> 
> and there is no slider wwhat so ever when setting up boot camp using the 
> assistant
> 
> am confused
> 
> I am using the latest osx if that helps any
> 
> thanks
> 
> Hank
> 
> 
> On 7/16/2021 12:42 PM, Matthew Dyer wrote:
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> You can get command ofthe vm was using cmd plus G.  The bootcamp 
>> partition can be set was using the sider. Interactive withthe slider and 
>> VO left and right til you have it set the way you want then click next.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/15/2021 7:04 PM, The wolf wrote:
>>> Hello
>>> 
>>> I have a couple of questions  sent this to the list a couple of days 
>>> ago and have not heard back
>>> 
>>> in vmware fusion 12
>>> 
>>> once you start a virtual machine how do you get control of the virtual 
>>> machine to start using it what is the keyboard command fore that?
>>> 
>>> on bootcamp assistant when you choose the size of the partition how do 
>>> you do that?
>>> 
>>> I can not find the part to change the amount that you set aside fore 
>>> the bootcamp partition and I need to change it
>>> 
>>> can I please get some help on these questions
>>> 
>>> thanks
>>> 
>>> Hank
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 
>>> 
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Re: vmware fusion and bootcamp partition question

[The wolf]

Hello

I tried doing that and it isn't working

is ther4e anything else you can suggest fore both issues?

Hank


On 7/17/2021 2:25 PM, Matthew Dyer wrote:

Matthew



sorry, if you tried switching to fullscreen mode while the vm window.  
HTH.




Hi,




On 7/17/2021 5:15 PM, The wolf wrote:

think you missed typed in your last email

Areusing full scren.  If not, try that and see what happens.  I am 
using fussion 12 with no problems.

can you resend?

Hank


On 7/17/2021 2:14 PM, Matthew Dyer wrote:

Matthew



Areusing full scren.  If not, try that and see what happens. I am 
using fussion 12 with no problems.




Hi,




On 7/17/2021 5:04 PM, The wolf wrote:

Hello

cmd plus G does not work in vmware fusion 12

and there is no slider wwhat so ever when setting up boot camp 
using the assistant


am confused

I am using the latest osx if that helps any

thanks

Hank


On 7/16/2021 12:42 PM, Matthew Dyer wrote:

Matthew



You can get command ofthe vm was using cmd plus G.  The bootcamp 
partition can be set was using the sider. Interactive withthe 
slider and VO left and right til you have it set the way you want 
then click next.




Hi



On 7/15/2021 7:04 PM, The wolf wrote:

Hello

I have a couple of questions  sent this to the list a couple of 
days ago and have not heard back


in vmware fusion 12

once you start a virtual machine how do you get control of the 
virtual machine to start using it what is the keyboard command 
fore that?


on bootcamp assistant when you choose the size of the partition 
how do you do that?


I can not find the part to change the amount that you set aside 
fore the bootcamp partition and I need to change it


can I please get some help on these questions

thanks

Hank









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Re: vmware fusion and bootcamp partition question

[The wolf]

think you missed typed in your last email

Areusing full scren.  If not, try that and see what happens.  I am using 
fussion 12 with no problems.

can you resend?

Hank


On 7/17/2021 2:14 PM, Matthew Dyer wrote:

Matthew



Areusing full scren.  If not, try that and see what happens.  I am 
using fussion 12 with no problems.




Hi,




On 7/17/2021 5:04 PM, The wolf wrote:

Hello

cmd plus G does not work in vmware fusion 12

and there is no slider wwhat so ever when setting up boot camp using 
the assistant


am confused

I am using the latest osx if that helps any

thanks

Hank


On 7/16/2021 12:42 PM, Matthew Dyer wrote:

Matthew



You can get command ofthe vm was using cmd plus G.  The bootcamp 
partition can be set was using the sider. Interactive withthe slider 
and VO left and right til you have it set the way you want then 
click next.




Hi



On 7/15/2021 7:04 PM, The wolf wrote:

Hello

I have a couple of questions  sent this to the list a couple of 
days ago and have not heard back


in vmware fusion 12

once you start a virtual machine how do you get control of the 
virtual machine to start using it what is the keyboard command fore 
that?


on bootcamp assistant when you choose the size of the partition how 
do you do that?


I can not find the part to change the amount that you set aside 
fore the bootcamp partition and I need to change it


can I please get some help on these questions

thanks

Hank







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Re: vmware fusion and bootcamp partition question

[The wolf]

Hello

cmd plus G does not work in vmware fusion 12

and there is no slider wwhat so ever when setting up boot camp using the 
assistant


am confused

I am using the latest osx if that helps any

thanks

Hank


On 7/16/2021 12:42 PM, Matthew Dyer wrote:

Matthew



You can get command ofthe vm was using cmd plus G.  The bootcamp 
partition can be set was using the sider.  Interactive withthe slider 
and VO left and right til you have it set the way you want then click 
next.




Hi



On 7/15/2021 7:04 PM, The wolf wrote:

Hello

I have a couple of questions  sent this to the list a couple of days 
ago and have not heard back


in vmware fusion 12

once you start a virtual machine how do you get control of the 
virtual machine to start using it what is the keyboard command fore 
that?


on bootcamp assistant when you choose the size of the partition how 
do you do that?


I can not find the part to change the amount that you set aside fore 
the bootcamp partition and I need to change it


can I please get some help on these questions

thanks

Hank





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Re: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Tom:

Do you mean Speakup crashes but you're otherwise able to access the vm?
Perhaps by ssh in from a terminal?

Running with current kernels the bug I mentioned hard locks the machine
so only a power restart works. Ctrl+Alt+Delete does nothing.

Sometimes the hard lock can be heard as a syllable or some phoneme being
repeated a couple times per second.

I have no way to understand what might lock the VMware app itself, as
opposed to some machine hosted by VMware. That seems a completely
different issue to me. Not sure how to assess that. It's now been
several years since I ran VMware for my virtual machines.

Best,

Janina

Tom Moore writes:
> Sorry I was not clear.
> Two things occur.
> The first is that Speakup crashes and doesn't seem to be able to be restarted 
> and after a few hours or being booted Vmware itself locks up and I have to 
> reboot the host to get everything working properly again.
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2020 8:38 AM
> To: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines
> 
> You don't describe what issue you're experiencing.
> 
> There is a bug recently discussed on the Speakup list that crashes the
> entire machine if you use successive screen review commands on the
> numeric keypad too quickly, especially if it's something like word
> forward followed immediately by word back.
> 
> Knowing this vulnerability I continue to use my Linux quite
> successfully. Jason's suggestion is also a good option.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries writes:
> > Have you tried Fenrir as your screen reader on the Linux machines?
> > 
> > https://linux-a11y.org/index.php?page=fenrir-screenreader
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > There was recently a mailing list discussion of the dependencies that had 
> > to be installed to run it under Debian. There’s already an Arch Linux 
> > package in the Arch User Repository. I don’t know the status on other 
> > distributions. Once it’s running, though, it works well in my experience.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > From:  on behalf of Tom Moore 
> > 
> > Reply-To: 
> > Date: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 19:34
> > To: 
> > Subject: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Hi guys,
> > 
> > Has anyone had any problems with the stability of Linux machines after 
> > Debian 8 and Centos 6 as far as Speakup goes in Vmware fusion 11 and 11.5?
> > 
> > This has been an issue that I’ve seen for quite some time, and it is now 
> > really starting to becoming annoying with newer versions of Linux?
> > 
> > If I use Linux version with out Speakup everything runs just fine.
> > 
> > For the time being what I do is run Debian 8 with Speakup and then ssh into 
> > the other Linux machines I need to use.
> > 
> > Using Debian 8 as my work station machine isn’t something I’d like to do 
> > much longer unless I have too!
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Thanks for any tips you guys might have…
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Tom
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
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Re: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

I don’t use VMWare, so I’m not familiar with the reputable sources of 
appropriate images. However, a quick Web search on “debian vmware images” gave 
results that seemed immediately useful. A little research on the Web regarding 
your preferred Linux distributions should answer the question.

 

From:  on behalf of Tom Moore 

Reply-To: 
Date: Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 08:47
To: 
Subject: RE: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines

 

What distros do you know of that have ready to go images for Vmware?

 

Tom

 

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2020 8:09 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines

 

It would probably be better to download an already prepared virtual machine 
image than to use the installer from an ISO 9960 file.

 

Then install the screen reader.

 

Other people have been encountering problems with Speakup and recent kernels 
I’m not aware of a solution. My own pragmatic response, some time ago, was to 
move beyond Speakup by switching to Fenrir.

 

From:  on behalf of Tom Moore 

Reply-To: 
Date: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 20:25
To: 
Subject: RE: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines

 

Hi,

I have not tried this screen reader as it is hard enough to get the basic 
distributions installed with Speakup for the install process.

Sometimes I can get most of the way through the process and others I cannot.

 

Tom



 

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2020 8:00 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines

 

Have you tried Fenrir as your screen reader on the Linux machines?

https://linux-a11y.org/index.php?page=fenrir-screenreader

 

There was recently a mailing list discussion of the dependencies that had to be 
installed to run it under Debian. There’s already an Arch Linux package in the 
Arch User Repository. I don’t know the status on other distributions. Once it’s 
running, though, it works well in my experience.

 

From:  on behalf of Tom Moore 

Reply-To: 
Date: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 19:34
To: 
Subject: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines

 

Hi guys,

Has anyone had any problems with the stability of Linux machines after Debian 8 
and Centos 6 as far as Speakup goes in Vmware fusion 11 and 11.5?

This has been an issue that I’ve seen for quite some time, and it is now really 
starting to becoming annoying with newer versions of Linux?

If I use Linux version with out Speakup everything runs just fine.

For the time being what I do is run Debian 8 with Speakup and then ssh into the 
other Linux machines I need to use.

Using Debian 8 as my work station machine isn’t something I’d like to do much 
longer unless I have too!

 

Thanks for any tips you guys might have…

 

Tom

 

 

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RE: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines

[Tom Moore]

What distros do you know of that have ready to go images for Vmware?

 

Tom

 

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2020 8:09 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines

 

It would probably be better to download an already prepared virtual machine 
image than to use the installer from an ISO 9960 file.

 

Then install the screen reader.

 

Other people have been encountering problems with Speakup and recent kernels 
I’m not aware of a solution. My own pragmatic response, some time ago, was to 
move beyond Speakup by switching to Fenrir.

 

From: mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> on behalf of Tom Moore mailto:tommym2...@gmail.com> >
Reply-To: mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Date: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 20:25
To: mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: RE: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines

 

Hi,

I have not tried this screen reader as it is hard enough to get the basic 
distributions installed with Speakup for the install process.

Sometimes I can get most of the way through the process and others I cannot.

 

Tom



 

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2020 8:00 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines

 

Have you tried Fenrir as your screen reader on the Linux machines?

https://linux-a11y.org/index.php?page=fenrir-screenreader

 

There was recently a mailing list discussion of the dependencies that had to be 
installed to run it under Debian. There’s already an Arch Linux package in the 
Arch User Repository. I don’t know the status on other distributions. Once it’s 
running, though, it works well in my experience.

 

From: mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> on behalf of Tom Moore mailto:tommym2...@gmail.com> >
Reply-To: mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Date: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 19:34
To: mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines

 

Hi guys,

Has anyone had any problems with the stability of Linux machines after Debian 8 
and Centos 6 as far as Speakup goes in Vmware fusion 11 and 11.5?

This has been an issue that I’ve seen for quite some time, and it is now really 
starting to becoming annoying with newer versions of Linux?

If I use Linux version with out Speakup everything runs just fine.

For the time being what I do is run Debian 8 with Speakup and then ssh into the 
other Linux machines I need to use.

Using Debian 8 as my work station machine isn’t something I’d like to do much 
longer unless I have too!

 

Thanks for any tips you guys might have…

 

Tom

 

 

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RE: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines

[Tom Moore]

Sorry I was not clear.
Two things occur.
The first is that Speakup crashes and doesn't seem to be able to be restarted 
and after a few hours or being booted Vmware itself locks up and I have to 
reboot the host to get everything working properly again.

Tom


-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2020 8:38 AM
To: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines

You don't describe what issue you're experiencing.

There is a bug recently discussed on the Speakup list that crashes the
entire machine if you use successive screen review commands on the
numeric keypad too quickly, especially if it's something like word
forward followed immediately by word back.

Knowing this vulnerability I continue to use my Linux quite
successfully. Jason's suggestion is also a good option.

Best,

Janina

'Jason White' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Have you tried Fenrir as your screen reader on the Linux machines?
> 
> https://linux-a11y.org/index.php?page=fenrir-screenreader
> 
>  
> 
> There was recently a mailing list discussion of the dependencies that had to 
> be installed to run it under Debian. There’s already an Arch Linux package in 
> the Arch User Repository. I don’t know the status on other distributions. 
> Once it’s running, though, it works well in my experience.
> 
>  
> 
> From:  on behalf of Tom Moore 
> 
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 19:34
> To: 
> Subject: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines
> 
>  
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> Has anyone had any problems with the stability of Linux machines after Debian 
> 8 and Centos 6 as far as Speakup goes in Vmware fusion 11 and 11.5?
> 
> This has been an issue that I’ve seen for quite some time, and it is now 
> really starting to becoming annoying with newer versions of Linux?
> 
> If I use Linux version with out Speakup everything runs just fine.
> 
> For the time being what I do is run Debian 8 with Speakup and then ssh into 
> the other Linux machines I need to use.
> 
> Using Debian 8 as my work station machine isn’t something I’d like to do much 
> longer unless I have too!
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for any tips you guys might have…
> 
>  
> 
> Tom
> 
>  
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Re: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

You don't describe what issue you're experiencing.

There is a bug recently discussed on the Speakup list that crashes the
entire machine if you use successive screen review commands on the
numeric keypad too quickly, especially if it's something like word
forward followed immediately by word back.

Knowing this vulnerability I continue to use my Linux quite
successfully. Jason's suggestion is also a good option.

Best,

Janina

'Jason White' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Have you tried Fenrir as your screen reader on the Linux machines?
> 
> https://linux-a11y.org/index.php?page=fenrir-screenreader
> 
>  
> 
> There was recently a mailing list discussion of the dependencies that had to 
> be installed to run it under Debian. There’s already an Arch Linux package in 
> the Arch User Repository. I don’t know the status on other distributions. 
> Once it’s running, though, it works well in my experience.
> 
>  
> 
> From:  on behalf of Tom Moore 
> 
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 19:34
> To: 
> Subject: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines
> 
>  
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> Has anyone had any problems with the stability of Linux machines after Debian 
> 8 and Centos 6 as far as Speakup goes in Vmware fusion 11 and 11.5?
> 
> This has been an issue that I’ve seen for quite some time, and it is now 
> really starting to becoming annoying with newer versions of Linux?
> 
> If I use Linux version with out Speakup everything runs just fine.
> 
> For the time being what I do is run Debian 8 with Speakup and then ssh into 
> the other Linux machines I need to use.
> 
> Using Debian 8 as my work station machine isn’t something I’d like to do much 
> longer unless I have too!
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for any tips you guys might have…
> 
>  
> 
> Tom
> 
>  
> 
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Re: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

It would probably be better to download an already prepared virtual machine 
image than to use the installer from an ISO 9960 file.

 

Then install the screen reader.

 

Other people have been encountering problems with Speakup and recent kernels 
I’m not aware of a solution. My own pragmatic response, some time ago, was to 
move beyond Speakup by switching to Fenrir.

 

From:  on behalf of Tom Moore 

Reply-To: 
Date: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 20:25
To: 
Subject: RE: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines

 

Hi,

I have not tried this screen reader as it is hard enough to get the basic 
distributions installed with Speakup for the install process.

Sometimes I can get most of the way through the process and others I cannot.

 

Tom



 

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2020 8:00 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines

 

Have you tried Fenrir as your screen reader on the Linux machines?

https://linux-a11y.org/index.php?page=fenrir-screenreader

 

There was recently a mailing list discussion of the dependencies that had to be 
installed to run it under Debian. There’s already an Arch Linux package in the 
Arch User Repository. I don’t know the status on other distributions. Once it’s 
running, though, it works well in my experience.

 

From:  on behalf of Tom Moore 

Reply-To: 
Date: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 19:34
To: 
Subject: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines

 

Hi guys,

Has anyone had any problems with the stability of Linux machines after Debian 8 
and Centos 6 as far as Speakup goes in Vmware fusion 11 and 11.5?

This has been an issue that I’ve seen for quite some time, and it is now really 
starting to becoming annoying with newer versions of Linux?

If I use Linux version with out Speakup everything runs just fine.

For the time being what I do is run Debian 8 with Speakup and then ssh into the 
other Linux machines I need to use.

Using Debian 8 as my work station machine isn’t something I’d like to do much 
longer unless I have too!

 

Thanks for any tips you guys might have…

 

Tom

 

 

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RE: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines

[Tom Moore]

Hi,

I have not tried this screen reader as it is hard enough to get the basic 
distributions installed with Speakup for the install process.

Sometimes I can get most of the way through the process and others I cannot.

 

Tom



 

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2020 8:00 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines

 

Have you tried Fenrir as your screen reader on the Linux machines?

https://linux-a11y.org/index.php?page=fenrir-screenreader

 

There was recently a mailing list discussion of the dependencies that had to be 
installed to run it under Debian. There’s already an Arch Linux package in the 
Arch User Repository. I don’t know the status on other distributions. Once it’s 
running, though, it works well in my experience.

 

From: mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> on behalf of Tom Moore mailto:tommym2...@gmail.com> >
Reply-To: mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Date: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 19:34
To: mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines

 

Hi guys,

Has anyone had any problems with the stability of Linux machines after Debian 8 
and Centos 6 as far as Speakup goes in Vmware fusion 11 and 11.5?

This has been an issue that I’ve seen for quite some time, and it is now really 
starting to becoming annoying with newer versions of Linux?

If I use Linux version with out Speakup everything runs just fine.

For the time being what I do is run Debian 8 with Speakup and then ssh into the 
other Linux machines I need to use.

Using Debian 8 as my work station machine isn’t something I’d like to do much 
longer unless I have too!

 

Thanks for any tips you guys might have…

 

Tom

 

 

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Re: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

Have you tried Fenrir as your screen reader on the Linux machines?

https://linux-a11y.org/index.php?page=fenrir-screenreader

 

There was recently a mailing list discussion of the dependencies that had to be 
installed to run it under Debian. There’s already an Arch Linux package in the 
Arch User Repository. I don’t know the status on other distributions. Once it’s 
running, though, it works well in my experience.

 

From:  on behalf of Tom Moore 

Reply-To: 
Date: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 19:34
To: 
Subject: Vmware Fusion with Linux machines

 

Hi guys,

Has anyone had any problems with the stability of Linux machines after Debian 8 
and Centos 6 as far as Speakup goes in Vmware fusion 11 and 11.5?

This has been an issue that I’ve seen for quite some time, and it is now really 
starting to becoming annoying with newer versions of Linux?

If I use Linux version with out Speakup everything runs just fine.

For the time being what I do is run Debian 8 with Speakup and then ssh into the 
other Linux machines I need to use.

Using Debian 8 as my work station machine isn’t something I’d like to do much 
longer unless I have too!

 

Thanks for any tips you guys might have…

 

Tom

 

 

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RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi,\

This s not true,

 You do not have to update your vm ware fusion everytime a new OS version comes 
out for the mac.


Infact I don't  believe vm ware come out with a new version every year anyway.

They may of course release vm fashion updates for a version
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Tom Moore
Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2019 12:27 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

Hi Dave,
>From what I have experienced is that lately each time there is a new Mac os 
>version that is released they come out with a new Vmware version to go with it.
If you wish to keep your Mac on an older release for a year or two you can get 
by with keeping the old version kicking, but at this point they seem to get 
released together and upgrade together.
This is why you may think there is an annual license when technically there is 
not with this version.
Enterprise versions though are a completely different thing.

Tom


-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 3:25 AM
To: 'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

Hi Dave,

Not that I am aware,

I only ever purchase the software once and if required an update later 

 There isn't or should I say there wasn't an annual licence fee for vm ware 
products in the passed.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2019 4:06 AM
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

Simon,
Good to hear. Am I also hearing that the $79 is an annual license?

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Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Dave,
   Developers like VMware will offer upgrades (updates are free) at a 
lower price. The new macOS will be released in about a month so you 
might want to wait for that and get the latest Fusion then.


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in the past. What if it were true?

On 8/27/2019 5:44 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:

Tom,
So you’re saying that each time I update my Mac OS, I need to update VMWare 
Fusion, and pay another $79? Or that $49 update price I saw on their web page?

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RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

[Tom Moore]

I can't tell you that this will always happen to you, but this has been the 
case for the last two years for me.
In my case I have been able to use it as a business expense but you may not be 
able to do this.

Tom

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Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 8:44 AM
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

Tom,
So you’re saying that each time I update my Mac OS, I need to update VMWare 
Fusion, and pay another $79? Or that $49 update price I saw on their web page?

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Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

[Dave Carlson]

Tom,
So you’re saying that each time I update my Mac OS, I need to update VMWare 
Fusion, and pay another $79? Or that $49 update price I saw on their web page?

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RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

[Tom Moore]

Hi Dave,
>From what I have experienced is that lately each time there is a new Mac os 
>version that is released they come out with a new Vmware version to go with it.
If you wish to keep your Mac on an older release for a year or two you can get 
by with keeping the old version kicking, but at this point they seem to get 
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This is why you may think there is an annual license when technically there is 
not with this version.
Enterprise versions though are a completely different thing.

Tom


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Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 3:25 AM
To: 'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

Hi Dave,

Not that I am aware,

I only ever purchase the software once and if required an update later 

 There isn't or should I say there wasn't an annual licence fee for vm ware 
products in the passed.

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Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2019 4:06 AM
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

Simon,
Good to hear. Am I also hearing that the $79 is an annual license?

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RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Dave,

Not that I am aware,

I only ever purchase the software once and if required an update later 

 There isn't or should I say there wasn't an annual licence fee for vm ware 
products in the passed.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2019 4:06 AM
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

Simon,
Good to hear. Am I also hearing that the $79 is an annual license?

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Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   To start, if you go to the Fusion settings and select the Keyboard 
category, on the Mac Host Keyboard tab, uncheck Mac Host Keyboard.


   Then, when the Windows VM is loaded, disable Voiceover and press 
command g to grab the keyboard.


   Go to full screen with command control f (this is a toggle). Hold 
the command and control keys and press the f key. Do this quickly.


   If you want to switch to the Mac then return to Windows, enable 
Voiceover and then command control to ungrab the keyboard. This is why 
you want to press these keys then f quickly when toggling full screen.


   To get back to Windows, go to the Window menu on the menu bar, 
select your VM and press return. Disable VO and grab the keyboard.


   It took me a while to get this right but if I don't rush, it works. 
Oh and when I am finished with the VM, I toggle full screen off and shut 
down Windows then take the same steps to return to the Mac.


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On 8/26/2019 2:57 PM, lenron brown wrote:

How do I swap between the mac os and windows when running the vm?

On 8/26/19, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  wrote:

 What is it about Fusion that is a nightmare? It does require care to
avoid pressing certain key combinations that could inadvertently throw
you into the Mac environment. It otherwise works well

 By the way, there are many reasons one wants to run Windows on a
Mac. Windows applications that has no Mac equivalent is one reason.

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On 8/26/2019 1:42 AM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:

I personally find running VM ware fusion a nightmare to run. I would
recommend running Mac on its own.

I don't know about pro edition though.

Take care,
Hem.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
Sent: 26 August 2019 13:53
To: 'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

The fusion running windows 7 wont die no, It's just the Microsoft support
for things like updating or security patching for the windows version


   On your own machine windows will keep working as is.

-Original Message-
From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Monday, 26 August 2019 3:54 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

Dave,
  I'm running Windows 7 with VMware Fusion. I do not expect it will die
come January when MS stops supporting 7. Actually I want to stop using it
before then

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On 8/25/2019 8:45 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:

Simon,
Okay, $80 is less than the price for Pro. The web site says it can handle
up to Windows 10. I have the source for Windows 7. Do you know if Windows
7 will still run on a VMWare session?

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Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

[Ibraheem Fakir]

Thanks guys!



Mistakes sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 26, 2019, at 5:57 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> How do I swap between the mac os and windows when running the vm?
> 
>> On 8/26/19, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
>> wrote:
>>What is it about Fusion that is a nightmare? It does require care to
>> avoid pressing certain key combinations that could inadvertently throw
>> you into the Mac environment. It otherwise works well
>> 
>>By the way, there are many reasons one wants to run Windows on a
>> Mac. Windows applications that has no Mac equivalent is one reason.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>>> On 8/26/2019 1:42 AM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:
>>> I personally find running VM ware fusion a nightmare to run. I would
>>> recommend running Mac on its own.
>>> 
>>> I don't know about pro edition though.
>>> 
>>> Take care,
>>> Hem.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
>>> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
>>> Sent: 26 August 2019 13:53
>>> To: 'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com' 
>>> Subject: RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?
>>> 
>>> The fusion running windows 7 wont die no, It's just the Microsoft support
>>> for things like updating or security patching for the windows version
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  On your own machine windows will keep working as is.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> Sent: Monday, 26 August 2019 3:54 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?
>>> 
>>> Dave,
>>> I'm running Windows 7 with VMware Fusion. I do not expect it will die
>>> come January when MS stops supporting 7. Actually I want to stop using it
>>> before then
>>> 
>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>>> On 8/25/2019 8:45 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
>>>> Simon,
>>>> Okay, $80 is less than the price for Pro. The web site says it can handle
>>>> up to Windows 10. I have the source for Windows 7. Do you know if Windows
>>>> 7 will still run on a VMWare session?
>>>> 
>>>> Dave Carlson
>>>> Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

[lenron brown]

How do I swap between the mac os and windows when running the vm?

On 8/26/19, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  wrote:
> What is it about Fusion that is a nightmare? It does require care to
> avoid pressing certain key combinations that could inadvertently throw
> you into the Mac environment. It otherwise works well
>
> By the way, there are many reasons one wants to run Windows on a
> Mac. Windows applications that has no Mac equivalent is one reason.
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
>
> On 8/26/2019 1:42 AM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:
>> I personally find running VM ware fusion a nightmare to run. I would
>> recommend running Mac on its own.
>>
>> I don't know about pro edition though.
>>
>> Take care,
>> Hem.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
>> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: 26 August 2019 13:53
>> To: 'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com' 
>> Subject: RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?
>>
>> The fusion running windows 7 wont die no, It's just the Microsoft support
>> for things like updating or security patching for the windows version
>>
>>
>>   On your own machine windows will keep working as is.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> Sent: Monday, 26 August 2019 3:54 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?
>>
>> Dave,
>>  I'm running Windows 7 with VMware Fusion. I do not expect it will die
>> come January when MS stops supporting 7. Actually I want to stop using it
>> before then
>>
>>   From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>
>> On 8/25/2019 8:45 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
>>> Simon,
>>> Okay, $80 is less than the price for Pro. The web site says it can handle
>>> up to Windows 10. I have the source for Windows 7. Do you know if Windows
>>> 7 will still run on a VMWare session?
>>>
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   What is it about Fusion that is a nightmare? It does require care to 
avoid pressing certain key combinations that could inadvertently throw 
you into the Mac environment. It otherwise works well


   By the way, there are many reasons one wants to run Windows on a 
Mac. Windows applications that has no Mac equivalent is one reason.


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On 8/26/2019 1:42 AM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:

I personally find running VM ware fusion a nightmare to run. I would recommend 
running Mac on its own.

I don't know about pro edition though.

Take care,
Hem.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
Sent: 26 August 2019 13:53
To: 'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

The fusion running windows 7 wont die no, It's just the Microsoft support for 
things like updating or security patching for the windows version


  On your own machine windows will keep working as is.

-Original Message-
From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Monday, 26 August 2019 3:54 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

Dave,
 I'm running Windows 7 with VMware Fusion. I do not expect it will die come 
January when MS stops supporting 7. Actually I want to stop using it before then

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On 8/25/2019 8:45 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:

Simon,
Okay, $80 is less than the price for Pro. The web site says it can handle up to 
Windows 10. I have the source for Windows 7. Do you know if Windows 7 will 
still run on a VMWare session?

Dave Carlson
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Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

[Dave Carlson]

Simon,
Good to hear. Am I also hearing that the $79 is an annual license?

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Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

[Jonathan Cohn]

I just looked at the new VM dialog  in VMWare 11.1 Professional and there is an 
option to install Windows 3.1, so don’t worry about older OS’s. The only major 
issue I have with VMWare is that caps lock key can not be used as a screen 
reader key unless significant mucking is done on the VM. I wish I could 
dedicate my Dell USB keyboard to only work with my VM’s and be ignored by MacOS 
much like my Braille displays are if I plug them in after the VM is active. 
Also, don’t answer the permissions questions wrong when you first start VMWare. 
I have had cases where because the granularity on the Security systems setting 
page is not specific enough, I have had to reset security settings for an 
entire app or computer in order to get some functionality. This is mostly the 
case with scripting functions where one application is asking to control 
another application, but can occur in other situations too.
Best Wishes,
Jonathan C. Cohn


> On Aug 25, 2019, at 11:45 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Simon,
> Okay, $80 is less than the price for Pro. The web site says it can handle up 
> to Windows 10. I have the source for Windows 7. Do you know if Windows 7 will 
> still run on a VMWare session?
> 
> Dave Carlson
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RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

[Hemachandran Karaha]

I personally find running VM ware fusion a nightmare to run. I would recommend 
running Mac on its own.

I don't know about pro edition though.

Take care,
Hem.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
Sent: 26 August 2019 13:53
To: 'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

The fusion running windows 7 wont die no, It's just the Microsoft support for 
things like updating or security patching for the windows version 


 On your own machine windows will keep working as is.

-Original Message-
From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, 26 August 2019 3:54 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

Dave,
I'm running Windows 7 with VMware Fusion. I do not expect it will die come 
January when MS stops supporting 7. Actually I want to stop using it before then

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Many believe that we have been visited
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On 8/25/2019 8:45 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
> Simon,
> Okay, $80 is less than the price for Pro. The web site says it can handle up 
> to Windows 10. I have the source for Windows 7. Do you know if Windows 7 will 
> still run on a VMWare session?
> 
> Dave Carlson
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RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

[Simon A Fogarty]

The fusion running windows 7 wont die no, 
It's just the Microsoft support for things like updating or security patching 
for the windows version 


 On your own machine windows will keep working as is.

-Original Message-
From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, 26 August 2019 3:54 PM
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Subject: Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?

Dave,
I'm running Windows 7 with VMware Fusion. I do not expect it will die come 
January when MS stops supporting 7. Actually I want to stop using it before then

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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 8/25/2019 8:45 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
> Simon,
> Okay, $80 is less than the price for Pro. The web site says it can handle up 
> to Windows 10. I have the source for Windows 7. Do you know if Windows 7 will 
> still run on a VMWare session?
> 
> Dave Carlson
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