Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Karen Lewellen]

Would feel better getting them outside of a place where a mistype might, 
as it did  yesterday lead to a problem only solved by a total shut down.
I am still working on understanding this voice too.  does not make me 
dizzy thank goodness, but what happened to the reasonably provided guides 
from  outside?




On Fri, 10 Jun 2022, E.T. wrote:

  Open Voiceover Utility, go to Help on the menu bar, and click on Voiceover 
Commands.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/10/2022 12:29 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Hi Tim,
 I may want the external keyboard anyway, had planned on one because my
 hands are finding holding several keys on a single side of the board a bit
 of a challenge.
 My hopefully better option though will be using voice control with
 voiceover for the combinations I find challenging, if I ever find a full
 list of commands.
 The mouse idea is brilliant, I take it there is a way to keep said mouse
 from impacting things by moving?
 Thanks,
 Kare



 On Fri, 10 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

>  Hi,
> 
>  Regarding hearing things when passwords are being entered.  That is 
>  only half correct.  There should be a clicking noise that you hear when 
>  entering a password.  The sound is somewhat similar to that of a 
>  typewriter.
> 
>  For the sensitivity of the TrackPad, I suggest plugging in a USB 
>  mouse.  You can set it so that the TrackPad is disabled when an 
>  external TrackPad or mouse is connected to the Mac.  This is done in 
>  System Preferences, Accessibility, Mouse & TrackPad, then the Options 
>  button.  This will save you the headache of that sensitivity and will 
>  negate the need for an external keyboard.
> 
>  HTH.
> 
>  Later…
> 
> 
>  Tim Kilburn

>  Jamf Certified Tech
>  Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>  Apple Teacher
>  (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>  Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> >  On Jun 9, 2022, at 20:54, Karen Lewellen  
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >  hi there,
> >  yes, the  trackpad,  which will be fine if it can be made less 
> >  sensitive to slight touch.
> >  i was calling accessibility directly, recalling that others have 
> >  complained about them of late.
> >  Speaking personally, the guy who responded to my being in crisis 
> >  voiceover wise by questioning why I was  using  Catalina, is more of 
> >  a poor training  example than too much work.
> >  The  Female main my apple representative locating details about my 
> >  nearest Apple store was sensational...even apologizing for the 90 
> >  minutes I tried to solve the issue before getting mr. why are you 
> >  using Catalina apple accessibility...and did I share he made it clear 
> >  he was blind?
> >  And also illustrates why I want in-store staff to work with, not  just 
> >  a blind person.  speaking personally a shared label does not a shared 
> >  experience make.
> >  My housemate for whom vision is not an issue absolutely loved working 
> >  with voiceover, because the experience was  new and fun.
> >  If I can create that in person and in store, I feel a little less 
> >  separation may result.
> >  I respect the password   information, but that no feedback is 
> >  provided while typing is concerning, or at least apple accessibility 
> >  says I  will not hear the keys while I type my password.

> >  best,
> >  Kare
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  On Thu, 9 Jun 2022, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > 
> > >  Karen,
> > >   Just a couple points. Or three. Keep in mind that Apple likely 
> > >  fields hundreds of calls and emails daily. They try hard to be of 
> > >  assistance.
> > > 
> > >   Tour 2012 Mac has no touch bar as later models do. You must be 
> > >  referring to the track pad. An external keyboard would certainly 
> > >  help there. Or an external trackpad which then allows disabling the 
> > >  built in one via a setting.
> > > 
> > >   If you are prompted for your login password, you can enter it when 
> > >  prompted. You will get used to it because it is part of the security 
> > >  scheme Apple has implemented. Yes its annoying but there it is.
> > > 
> > >   Perhaps you can find a local blind user through a local blind 
> > >  organization who can come and help? Might be worth a try.
> > > 
> > >  From E.T.'s Keyboard...

> > >  "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> > >  will make violent revolution inevitable."
> > >  --John F. Kennedy
> > >  My e-Mail:
> > >  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > > 
> > >  On 6/9/2022 6:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> > > >  hi Tim,
> > > >  One of your answers sort of illustrates how off the mark Apple
> > > >  accessibility was then.
> > > >  they did not reference a need to connect, simply tried, and 
> > > >  failed, given

> > > >  the steps were missing its no wonder.
> > > >  we did  adjust the basic system audio, finding no startup sound 
> > > >  checkbox

> > > >  

Re: system audio volume revisited?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Open Voiceover Utility, go to Help on the menu bar, and click on 
Voiceover Commands.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
 --John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/10/2022 12:29 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi Tim,
I may want the external keyboard anyway, had planned on one because my 
hands are finding holding several keys on a single side of the board a 
bit of a challenge.
My hopefully better option though will be using voice control with 
voiceover for the combinations I find challenging, if I ever find a full 
list of commands.
The mouse idea is brilliant, I take it there is a way to keep said mouse 
from impacting things by moving?

Thanks,
Kare



On Fri, 10 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

Regarding hearing things when passwords are being entered.  That is 
only half correct.  There should be a clicking noise that you hear 
when entering a password.  The sound is somewhat similar to that of a 
typewriter.


For the sensitivity of the TrackPad, I suggest plugging in a USB 
mouse.  You can set it so that the TrackPad is disabled when an 
external TrackPad or mouse is connected to the Mac.  This is done in 
System Preferences, Accessibility, Mouse & TrackPad, then the Options 
button.  This will save you the headache of that sensitivity and will 
negate the need for an external keyboard.


HTH.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 9, 2022, at 20:54, Karen Lewellen  
wrote:


hi there,
yes, the  trackpad,  which will be fine if it can be made less 
sensitive to slight touch.
i was calling accessibility directly, recalling that others have 
complained about them of late.
Speaking personally, the guy who responded to my being in crisis 
voiceover wise by questioning why I was  using  Catalina, is more of 
a poor training  example than too much work.
The  Female main my apple representative locating details about my 
nearest Apple store was sensational...even apologizing for the 90 
minutes I tried to solve the issue before getting mr. why are you 
using Catalina apple accessibility...and did I share he made it clear 
he was blind?
And also illustrates why I want in-store staff to work with, not  
just a blind person.  speaking personally a shared label does not a 
shared experience make.
My housemate for whom vision is not an issue absolutely loved working 
with voiceover, because the experience was  new and fun.
If I can create that in person and in store, I feel a little less 
separation may result.
I respect the password   information, but that no feedback is 
provided while typing is concerning, or at least apple accessibility 
says I  will not hear the keys while I type my password.

best,
Kare



On Thu, 9 Jun 2022, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Karen,
 Just a couple points. Or three. Keep in mind that Apple likely 
fields hundreds of calls and emails daily. They try hard to be of 
assistance.


 Tour 2012 Mac has no touch bar as later models do. You must be 
referring to the track pad. An external keyboard would certainly 
help there. Or an external trackpad which then allows disabling the 
built in one via a setting.


 If you are prompted for your login password, you can enter it when 
prompted. You will get used to it because it is part of the security 
scheme Apple has implemented. Yes its annoying but there it is.


 Perhaps you can find a local blind user through a local blind 
organization who can come and help? Might be worth a try.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/9/2022 6:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

hi Tim,
One of your answers sort of illustrates how off the mark Apple
accessibility was then.
they did not reference a need to connect, simply tried, and failed, 
given

the steps were missing its no wonder.
we did  adjust the basic system audio, finding no startup sound 
checkbox

either.
Still  knowing about f11 and f12 helps allot, so thanks for that as 
well.

I have decided to seek an apple store in person  because I am truly
hoping there is some way to curb how this machine's touch 
bar...which I

absolutely hate, react, lower the level of sensitivity.
My sleeves set the thing off, and it impacts what is happening, 
with my
being too new at things to get out of what happens. If not I will 
need to
use an external keyboard, something keeps triggering a request for 
me to

provide my administrative password,  with my not managing  to find the
old school apple tutorial under voiceover utilities either.
its frustrating getting locked into  say a  folder in a utility,
following the steps I believe I am hearing, for nothing to work.
On the other hand it was cool hearing my battery level by using 

Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well, air your only reason to have the mouse is to disable the trackpad, then 
you could put masking tape over the laser on the bottom of the mouse.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 10, 2022, at 15:29, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> I may want the external keyboard anyway, had planned on one because my hands 
> are finding holding several keys on a single side of the board a bit of a 
> challenge.
> My hopefully better option though will be using voice control with voiceover 
> for the combinations I find challenging, if I ever find a full list of 
> commands.
> The mouse idea is brilliant, I take it there is a way to keep said mouse from 
> impacting things by moving?
> Thanks,
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 10 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Regarding hearing things when passwords are being entered. That is only half 
>> correct. There should be a clicking noise that you hear when entering a 
>> password. The sound is somewhat similar to that of a typewriter.
>> 
>> For the sensitivity of the TrackPad, I suggest plugging in a USB mouse. You 
>> can set it so that the TrackPad is disabled when an external TrackPad or 
>> mouse is connected to the Mac. This is done in System Preferences, 
>> Accessibility, Mouse & TrackPad, then the Options button. This will save you 
>> the headache of that sensitivity and will negate the need for an external 
>> keyboard.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2022, at 20:54, Karen Lewellen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi there,
>>> yes, the trackpad, which will be fine if it can be made less sensitive to 
>>> slight touch.
>>> i was calling accessibility directly, recalling that others have complained 
>>> about them of late.
>>> Speaking personally, the guy who responded to my being in crisis voiceover 
>>> wise by questioning why I was using Catalina, is more of a poor training 
>>> example than too much work.
>>> The Female main my apple representative locating details about my nearest 
>>> Apple store was sensational...even apologizing for the 90 minutes I tried 
>>> to solve the issue before getting mr. why are you using Catalina apple 
>>> accessibility...and did I share he made it clear he was blind?
>>> And also illustrates why I want in-store staff to work with, not just a 
>>> blind person. speaking personally a shared label does not a shared 
>>> experience make.
>>> My housemate for whom vision is not an issue absolutely loved working with 
>>> voiceover, because the experience was new and fun.
>>> If I can create that in person and in store, I feel a little less 
>>> separation may result.
>>> I respect the password information, but that no feedback is provided while 
>>> typing is concerning, or at least apple accessibility says I will not hear 
>>> the keys while I type my password.
>>> best,
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
 Karen,
 Just a couple points. Or three. Keep in mind that Apple likely fields 
 hundreds of calls and emails daily. They try hard to be of assistance.
 
 Tour 2012 Mac has no touch bar as later models do. You must be referring 
 to the track pad. An external keyboard would certainly help there. Or an 
 external trackpad which then allows disabling the built in one via a 
 setting.
 
 If you are prompted for your login password, you can enter it when 
 prompted. You will get used to it because it is part of the security 
 scheme Apple has implemented. Yes its annoying but there it is.
 
 Perhaps you can find a local blind user through a local blind organization 
 who can come and help? Might be worth a try.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
 will make violent revolution inevitable."
 --John F. Kennedy
 My e-Mail:
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
 
 On 6/9/2022 6:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> hi Tim,
> One of your answers sort of illustrates how off the mark Apple
> accessibility was then.
> they did not reference a need to connect, simply tried, and failed, given
> the steps were missing its no wonder.
> we did adjust the basic system audio, finding no startup sound checkbox
> either.
> Still knowing about f11 and f12 helps allot, so thanks for that as well.
> I have decided to seek an apple store in person because I am truly
> hoping there is some way to curb how this machine's touch bar...which I
> absolutely hate, react, lower the level of sensitivity.
> My sleeves set the thing off, and it impacts what is happening, with my
> being too new at things to get out of what happens. If not I will need to
> 

Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Tim,
I may want the external keyboard anyway, had planned on one because my 
hands are finding holding several keys on a single side of the board a bit 
of a challenge.
My hopefully better option though will be using voice control with 
voiceover for the combinations I find challenging, if I ever find a full 
list of commands.
The mouse idea is brilliant, I take it there is a way to keep said mouse 
from impacting things by moving?

Thanks,
Kare



On Fri, 10 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

Regarding hearing things when passwords are being entered.  That is only half 
correct.  There should be a clicking noise that you hear when entering a 
password.  The sound is somewhat similar to that of a typewriter.

For the sensitivity of the TrackPad, I suggest plugging in a USB mouse.  You can 
set it so that the TrackPad is disabled when an external TrackPad or mouse is 
connected to the Mac.  This is done in System Preferences, Accessibility, Mouse 
& TrackPad, then the Options button.  This will save you the headache of that 
sensitivity and will negate the need for an external keyboard.

HTH.

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 9, 2022, at 20:54, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

hi there,
yes, the  trackpad,  which will be fine if it can be made less sensitive to 
slight touch.
i was calling accessibility directly, recalling that others have complained 
about them of late.
Speaking personally, the guy who responded to my being in crisis voiceover wise 
by questioning why I was  using  Catalina, is more of a poor training  example 
than too much work.
The  Female main my apple representative locating details about my nearest 
Apple store was sensational...even apologizing for the 90 minutes I tried to 
solve the issue before getting mr. why are you using Catalina apple 
accessibility...and did I share he made it clear he was blind?
And also illustrates why I want in-store staff to work with, not  just a blind 
person.  speaking personally a shared label does not a shared experience make.
My housemate for whom vision is not an issue absolutely loved working with 
voiceover, because the experience was  new and fun.
If I can create that in person and in store, I feel a little less separation 
may result.
I respect the password   information, but that no feedback is provided while 
typing is concerning, or at least apple accessibility says I  will not hear the 
keys while I type my password.
best,
Kare



On Thu, 9 Jun 2022, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Karen,
 Just a couple points. Or three. Keep in mind that Apple likely fields hundreds 
of calls and emails daily. They try hard to be of assistance.

 Tour 2012 Mac has no touch bar as later models do. You must be referring to 
the track pad. An external keyboard would certainly help there. Or an external 
trackpad which then allows disabling the built in one via a setting.

 If you are prompted for your login password, you can enter it when prompted. 
You will get used to it because it is part of the security scheme Apple has 
implemented. Yes its annoying but there it is.

 Perhaps you can find a local blind user through a local blind organization who 
can come and help? Might be worth a try.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/9/2022 6:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

hi Tim,
One of your answers sort of illustrates how off the mark Apple
accessibility was then.
they did not reference a need to connect, simply tried, and failed, given
the steps were missing its no wonder.
we did  adjust the basic system audio, finding no startup sound checkbox
either.
Still  knowing about f11 and f12 helps allot, so thanks for that as well.
I have decided to seek an apple store in person  because I am truly
hoping there is some way to curb how this machine's touch bar...which I
absolutely hate, react, lower the level of sensitivity.
My sleeves set the thing off, and it impacts what is happening, with my
being too new at things to get out of what happens. If not I will need to
use an external keyboard, something keeps triggering a request for me to
provide my administrative password,  with my not managing  to find the
old school apple tutorial under voiceover utilities either.
its frustrating getting locked into  say a  folder in a utility,
following the steps I believe I am hearing, for nothing to work.
On the other hand it was cool hearing my battery level by using vo-m and
working my way across.
No idea why I believed the Music app came with big shore, its a part of
Catalina too.
Anyway we forge forward.
kare



On Thu, 9 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

 See my responses below in your text.

 Later???

 Tim Kilburn

 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning 

Re: system audio volume revisited?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Regarding hearing things when passwords are being entered.  That is only half 
correct.  There should be a clicking noise that you hear when entering a 
password.  The sound is somewhat similar to that of a typewriter.

For the sensitivity of the TrackPad, I suggest plugging in a USB mouse.  You 
can set it so that the TrackPad is disabled when an external TrackPad or mouse 
is connected to the Mac.  This is done in System Preferences, Accessibility, 
Mouse & TrackPad, then the Options button.  This will save you the headache of 
that sensitivity and will negate the need for an external keyboard.

HTH.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 9, 2022, at 20:54, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> hi there,
> yes, the  trackpad,  which will be fine if it can be made less sensitive to 
> slight touch.
> i was calling accessibility directly, recalling that others have complained 
> about them of late.
> Speaking personally, the guy who responded to my being in crisis voiceover 
> wise by questioning why I was  using  Catalina, is more of a poor training  
> example than too much work.
> The  Female main my apple representative locating details about my nearest 
> Apple store was sensational...even apologizing for the 90 minutes I tried to 
> solve the issue before getting mr. why are you using Catalina apple 
> accessibility...and did I share he made it clear he was blind?
> And also illustrates why I want in-store staff to work with, not  just a 
> blind person.  speaking personally a shared label does not a shared 
> experience make.
> My housemate for whom vision is not an issue absolutely loved working with 
> voiceover, because the experience was  new and fun.
> If I can create that in person and in store, I feel a little less separation 
> may result.
> I respect the password   information, but that no feedback is provided while 
> typing is concerning, or at least apple accessibility says I  will not hear 
> the keys while I type my password.
> best,
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Karen,
>>  Just a couple points. Or three. Keep in mind that Apple likely fields 
>> hundreds of calls and emails daily. They try hard to be of assistance.
>> 
>>  Tour 2012 Mac has no touch bar as later models do. You must be referring to 
>> the track pad. An external keyboard would certainly help there. Or an 
>> external trackpad which then allows disabling the built in one via a setting.
>> 
>>  If you are prompted for your login password, you can enter it when 
>> prompted. You will get used to it because it is part of the security scheme 
>> Apple has implemented. Yes its annoying but there it is.
>> 
>>  Perhaps you can find a local blind user through a local blind organization 
>> who can come and help? Might be worth a try.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>> --John F. Kennedy
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/9/2022 6:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>> hi Tim,
>>> One of your answers sort of illustrates how off the mark Apple
>>> accessibility was then.
>>> they did not reference a need to connect, simply tried, and failed, given
>>> the steps were missing its no wonder.
>>> we did  adjust the basic system audio, finding no startup sound checkbox
>>> either.
>>> Still  knowing about f11 and f12 helps allot, so thanks for that as well.
>>> I have decided to seek an apple store in person  because I am truly
>>> hoping there is some way to curb how this machine's touch bar...which I
>>> absolutely hate, react, lower the level of sensitivity.
>>> My sleeves set the thing off, and it impacts what is happening, with my
>>> being too new at things to get out of what happens. If not I will need to
>>> use an external keyboard, something keeps triggering a request for me to
>>> provide my administrative password,  with my not managing  to find the
>>> old school apple tutorial under voiceover utilities either.
>>> its frustrating getting locked into  say a  folder in a utility,
>>> following the steps I believe I am hearing, for nothing to work.
>>> On the other hand it was cool hearing my battery level by using vo-m and
>>> working my way across.
>>> No idea why I believed the Music app came with big shore, its a part of
>>> Catalina too.
>>> Anyway we forge forward.
>>> kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> >  See my responses below in your text.
>>> > >  Later…
>>> > > >  Tim Kilburn
>>> >  Jamf Certified Tech
>>> >  Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> >  Apple Teacher
>>> >  (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> >  Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> > > >  On Jun 8, 2022, at 17:48, Karen Lewellen  
>>> > > > > >  wrote:
>>> > > > >  Hi,
>>> > >  Not necessarily, at least for my combination 

Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Karen Lewellen]

The first thing required of us on Monday was a mandatory upgrade according 
to the system, nothing could be done otherwise.
Given my limited first hand voiceover experience, all the more reason to 
visit a professional to confirm what should or should not be there.
Not a task for me on my own for certain, I have no basis of comparison 
with  seemingly a single keystroke or whatever  creating confusion.

so to the apple store we go.



On Thu, 9 Jun 2022, E.T. wrote:


Karen,
  To cut to the chase, you got this Mac secondhand? Was it completely reset? 
In other words, if it was not, then will may want to focus on going through 
all the settings in both Voiceover Utility and in System preferences.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/9/2022 7:54 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 hi there,
 yes, the  trackpad,  which will be fine if it can be made less sensitive
 to slight touch.
 i was calling accessibility directly, recalling that others have
 complained about them of late.
 Speaking personally, the guy who responded to my being in crisis voiceover
 wise by questioning why I was  using  Catalina, is more of a poor
 training  example than too much work.
 The  Female main my apple representative locating details about my
 nearest Apple store was sensational...even apologizing for the 90 minutes
 I tried to solve the issue before getting mr. why are you using Catalina
 apple accessibility...and did I share he made it clear he was blind?
 And also illustrates why I want in-store staff to work with, not  just a
 blind person.  speaking personally a shared label does not a shared
 experience make.
 My housemate for whom vision is not an issue absolutely loved working with
 voiceover, because the experience was  new and fun.
 If I can create that in person and in store, I feel a little less
 separation may result.
 I respect the password   information, but that no feedback is provided
 while typing is concerning, or at least apple accessibility says I  will
 not hear the keys while I type my password.
 best,
 Kare



 On Thu, 9 Jun 2022, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:

>  Karen,
>    Just a couple points. Or three. Keep in mind that Apple likely fields 
>  hundreds of calls and emails daily. They try hard to be of assistance.
> 
>    Tour 2012 Mac has no touch bar as later models do. You must be 
>  referring to the track pad. An external keyboard would certainly help 
>  there. Or an external trackpad which then allows disabling the built in 
>  one via a setting.
> 
>    If you are prompted for your login password, you can enter it when 
>  prompted. You will get used to it because it is part of the security 
>  scheme Apple has implemented. Yes its annoying but there it is.
> 
>    Perhaps you can find a local blind user through a local blind 
>  organization who can come and help? Might be worth a try.
> 
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...

>  "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>  will make violent revolution inevitable."
>  --John F. Kennedy
>  My e-Mail:
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>  On 6/9/2022 6:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> >   hi Tim,
> >   One of your answers sort of illustrates how off the mark Apple
> >   accessibility was then.
> >   they did not reference a need to connect, simply tried, and failed, 
> >  given

> >   the steps were missing its no wonder.
> >   we did  adjust the basic system audio, finding no startup sound 
> >  checkbox

> >   either.
> >   Still  knowing about f11 and f12 helps allot, so thanks for that as 
> >  well.

> >   I have decided to seek an apple store in person  because I am truly
> >   hoping there is some way to curb how this machine's touch 
> >  bar...which I

> >   absolutely hate, react, lower the level of sensitivity.
> >   My sleeves set the thing off, and it impacts what is happening, with 
> >  my
> >   being too new at things to get out of what happens. If not I will 
> >  need to
> >   use an external keyboard, something keeps triggering a request for 
> >  me to
> >   provide my administrative password,  with my not managing  to find 
> >  the

> >   old school apple tutorial under voiceover utilities either.
> >   its frustrating getting locked into  say a  folder in a utility,
> >   following the steps I believe I am hearing, for nothing to work.
> >   On the other hand it was cool hearing my battery level by using vo-m 
> >  and

> >   working my way across.
> >   No idea why I believed the Music app came with big shore, its a part 
> >  of

> >   Catalina too.
> >   Anyway we forge forward.
> >   kare
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   On Thu, 9 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > 
> > >   See my responses below in your text.

> > > >   Later…
> > > > >   Tim Kilburn
> > >   Jamf Certified Tech
> > >   Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> > >   Apple Teacher
> > >   (with Swift Playgrounds 

Re: system audio volume revisited?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Karen,
   To cut to the chase, you got this Mac secondhand? Was it completely 
reset? In other words, if it was not, then will may want to focus on 
going through all the settings in both Voiceover Utility and in System 
preferences.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
 --John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/9/2022 7:54 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

hi there,
yes, the  trackpad,  which will be fine if it can be made less sensitive 
to slight touch.
i was calling accessibility directly, recalling that others have 
complained about them of late.
Speaking personally, the guy who responded to my being in crisis 
voiceover wise by questioning why I was  using  Catalina, is more of a 
poor training  example than too much work.
The  Female main my apple representative locating details about my 
nearest Apple store was sensational...even apologizing for the 90 
minutes I tried to solve the issue before getting mr. why are you using 
Catalina apple accessibility...and did I share he made it clear he was 
blind?
And also illustrates why I want in-store staff to work with, not  just a 
blind person.  speaking personally a shared label does not a shared 
experience make.
My housemate for whom vision is not an issue absolutely loved working 
with voiceover, because the experience was  new and fun.
If I can create that in person and in store, I feel a little less 
separation may result.
I respect the password   information, but that no feedback is provided 
while typing is concerning, or at least apple accessibility says I  will 
not hear the keys while I type my password.

best,
Kare



On Thu, 9 Jun 2022, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Karen,
  Just a couple points. Or three. Keep in mind that Apple likely 
fields hundreds of calls and emails daily. They try hard to be of 
assistance.


  Tour 2012 Mac has no touch bar as later models do. You must be 
referring to the track pad. An external keyboard would certainly help 
there. Or an external trackpad which then allows disabling the built 
in one via a setting.


  If you are prompted for your login password, you can enter it when 
prompted. You will get used to it because it is part of the security 
scheme Apple has implemented. Yes its annoying but there it is.


  Perhaps you can find a local blind user through a local blind 
organization who can come and help? Might be worth a try.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/9/2022 6:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 hi Tim,
 One of your answers sort of illustrates how off the mark Apple
 accessibility was then.
 they did not reference a need to connect, simply tried, and failed, 
given

 the steps were missing its no wonder.
 we did  adjust the basic system audio, finding no startup sound 
checkbox

 either.
 Still  knowing about f11 and f12 helps allot, so thanks for that as 
well.

 I have decided to seek an apple store in person  because I am truly
 hoping there is some way to curb how this machine's touch bar...which I
 absolutely hate, react, lower the level of sensitivity.
 My sleeves set the thing off, and it impacts what is happening, with my
 being too new at things to get out of what happens. If not I will 
need to
 use an external keyboard, something keeps triggering a request for 
me to

 provide my administrative password,  with my not managing  to find the
 old school apple tutorial under voiceover utilities either.
 its frustrating getting locked into  say a  folder in a utility,
 following the steps I believe I am hearing, for nothing to work.
 On the other hand it was cool hearing my battery level by using vo-m 
and

 working my way across.
 No idea why I believed the Music app came with big shore, its a part of
 Catalina too.
 Anyway we forge forward.
 kare



 On Thu, 9 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

>  See my responses below in your text.
> >  Later…
> > >  Tim Kilburn
>  Jamf Certified Tech
>  Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>  Apple Teacher
>  (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>  Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > >  On Jun 8, 2022, at 17:48, Karen Lewellen 
 > >  wrote:

> > > >  Hi,
> >  Not necessarily, at least for my combination of experiences.
> >  If I do, as I plan tomorrow, check the sound effects sub-menu 
and a > >  means of setting sound as  you wisely share here, I get to 
establish > >  a baseline of sound that from an auditory processing 
standpoint > >  insures I can say hear past  the tinnitus I have in 
one ear.  I > >  already know my associate states  the volume is low.
> >  From what you provide here f-11 and f-12 will adjust the system 
volume > >  allowing  me to make changes, when wearing headphones, 
or  using a > >  speaker, or any number of situations.
> >  Still, and I am happy to be corrected if wrong, would 

Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Karen Lewellen]

hi there,
yes, the  trackpad,  which will be fine if it can be made less sensitive 
to slight touch.
i was calling accessibility directly, recalling that others have 
complained about them of late.
Speaking personally, the guy who responded to my being in crisis voiceover 
wise by questioning why I was  using  Catalina, is 
more of 
a poor training  example than too much work.
The  Female main my apple representative locating details about my nearest 
Apple 
store was sensational...even apologizing for the 90 minutes I tried to 
solve the issue before getting mr. why are you using Catalina apple 
accessibility...and did I share he made it clear he was blind?
And also illustrates why I want in-store staff to work with, not  just a 
blind person.  speaking personally a shared label does not a shared 
experience make.
My housemate for whom vision is not an issue absolutely loved working with 
voiceover, because the experience was  new and fun.
If I can create that in person and in store, I feel a little less 
separation may result.
I respect the password   information, but that no feedback is provided 
while typing is concerning, or at least apple accessibility says I  will 
not hear the keys while I type my password.

best,
Kare



On Thu, 9 Jun 2022, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Karen,
  Just a couple points. Or three. Keep in mind that Apple likely fields 
hundreds of calls and emails daily. They try hard to be of assistance.


  Tour 2012 Mac has no touch bar as later models do. You must be referring 
to the track pad. An external keyboard would certainly help there. Or an 
external trackpad which then allows disabling the built in one via a setting.


  If you are prompted for your login password, you can enter it when 
prompted. You will get used to it because it is part of the security scheme 
Apple has implemented. Yes its annoying but there it is.


  Perhaps you can find a local blind user through a local blind organization 
who can come and help? Might be worth a try.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/9/2022 6:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 hi Tim,
 One of your answers sort of illustrates how off the mark Apple
 accessibility was then.
 they did not reference a need to connect, simply tried, and failed, given
 the steps were missing its no wonder.
 we did  adjust the basic system audio, finding no startup sound checkbox
 either.
 Still  knowing about f11 and f12 helps allot, so thanks for that as well.
 I have decided to seek an apple store in person  because I am truly
 hoping there is some way to curb how this machine's touch bar...which I
 absolutely hate, react, lower the level of sensitivity.
 My sleeves set the thing off, and it impacts what is happening, with my
 being too new at things to get out of what happens. If not I will need to
 use an external keyboard, something keeps triggering a request for me to
 provide my administrative password,  with my not managing  to find the
 old school apple tutorial under voiceover utilities either.
 its frustrating getting locked into  say a  folder in a utility,
 following the steps I believe I am hearing, for nothing to work.
 On the other hand it was cool hearing my battery level by using vo-m and
 working my way across.
 No idea why I believed the Music app came with big shore, its a part of
 Catalina too.
 Anyway we forge forward.
 kare



 On Thu, 9 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

>  See my responses below in your text.
> 
>  Later…
> 
> 
>  Tim Kilburn

>  Jamf Certified Tech
>  Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>  Apple Teacher
>  (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>  Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> >  On Jun 8, 2022, at 17:48, Karen Lewellen  
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >  Hi,

> >  Not necessarily, at least for my combination of experiences.
> >  If I do, as I plan tomorrow, check the sound effects sub-menu and a 
> >  means of setting sound as  you wisely share here, I get to establish 
> >  a baseline of sound that from an auditory processing standpoint 
> >  insures I can say hear past  the tinnitus I have in one ear.  I 
> >  already know my associate states  the volume is low.
> >  From what you provide here f-11 and f-12 will adjust the system volume 
> >  allowing  me to make changes, when wearing headphones, or  using a 
> >  speaker, or any number of situations.
> >  Still, and I am happy to be corrected if wrong, would not the sound 
> >  return to  the  level of the computer once shut down, meaning it 
> >  would not absolutely recall where I left the f-11 f-12 setting?
> 
>  TK:  The level of volume that was set before restart or shutdown is 
>  normally the level that it will return to upon startup the next time.
> 
> >  again happy to be wrong, but for me personally, better to have a sound 
> >  baseline I can adjust then hear nothing by mistake.
> >  Will report 

Re: system audio volume revisited?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Karen,
   Just a couple points. Or three. Keep in mind that Apple likely 
fields hundreds of calls and emails daily. They try hard to be of 
assistance.


   Tour 2012 Mac has no touch bar as later models do. You must be 
referring to the track pad. An external keyboard would certainly help 
there. Or an external trackpad which then allows disabling the built in 
one via a setting.


   If you are prompted for your login password, you can enter it when 
prompted. You will get used to it because it is part of the security 
scheme Apple has implemented. Yes its annoying but there it is.


   Perhaps you can find a local blind user through a local blind 
organization who can come and help? Might be worth a try.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
 --John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/9/2022 6:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

hi Tim,
One of your answers sort of illustrates how off the mark Apple 
accessibility was then.
they did not reference a need to connect, simply tried, and failed, 
given the steps were missing its no wonder.
we did  adjust the basic system audio, finding no startup sound checkbox 
either.

Still  knowing about f11 and f12 helps allot, so thanks for that as well.
I have decided to seek an apple store in person  because I am truly 
hoping there is some way to curb how this machine's touch bar...which I 
absolutely hate, react, lower the level of sensitivity.
My sleeves set the thing off, and it impacts what is happening, with my 
being too new at things to get out of what happens. If not I will need 
to use an external keyboard, something keeps triggering a request for me 
to provide my administrative password,  with my not managing  to find 
the old school apple tutorial under voiceover utilities either.
its frustrating getting locked into  say a  folder in a utility, 
following the steps I believe I am hearing, for nothing to work.
On the other hand it was cool hearing my battery level by using vo-m and 
working my way across.
No idea why I believed the Music app came with big shore, its a part of 
Catalina too.

Anyway we forge forward.
kare



On Thu, 9 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


See my responses below in your text.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 8, 2022, at 17:48, Karen Lewellen  
wrote:


Hi,
Not necessarily, at least for my combination of experiences.
If I do, as I plan tomorrow, check the sound effects sub-menu and a 
means of setting sound as  you wisely share here, I get to establish 
a baseline of sound that from an auditory processing standpoint 
insures I can say hear past  the tinnitus I have in one ear.  I 
already know my associate states  the volume is low.
From what you provide here f-11 and f-12 will adjust the system 
volume allowing  me to make changes, when wearing headphones, or  
using a speaker, or any number of situations.
Still, and I am happy to be corrected if wrong, would not the sound 
return to  the  level of the computer once shut down, meaning it 
would not absolutely recall where I left the f-11 f-12 setting?


TK:  The level of volume that was set before restart or shutdown is 
normally the level that it will return to upon startup the next time.


again happy to be wrong, but for me personally, better to have a 
sound baseline I can adjust then hear nothing by mistake.
Will report on the startup checkbox, if my time tomorrow supports 
your wisdom, I will be sharing that with apple accessibility.
After all, not only did I provide my apple id, but I shared the exact 
Catalina  edition I use..so no reason for misinformation.
While I have your ear, what steps must I go through for an apple 
accessibility person's effort to see my screen actually work?
They claimed that when tried the system on their side said they  
could not find my mac...go figure.


TK:  They should be able to connect to you either via a share screen 
request through iMessages, or they can send you a link that you can 
connect to through their support system.  If by iMessage, you will 
need iMessage set up on your Mac with either or both of your Apple ID 
eMail or mobile phone number enabled as iMessage usable.


If there is an additional setting, I would appreciate knowing in case 
I have another problem like yesterday.

Thanks,
Karen



On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

This is being made more complex than it needs to be.

• System volume is the level of everything.  This is controlled 
either by the volume keys, F11 and F12 for down and up respectively, 
or you can use the VoiceOver command of VO-minus or VO-equals.  Yes, 
there is control for this in the Sound pane, but that would make 
your life more complicated and there’s no need to go there.
• the Apple Accessibility representative was 

Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Karen Lewellen]

hi Tim,
One of your answers sort of illustrates how off the mark Apple 
accessibility was then.
they did not reference a need to connect, simply tried, and failed, given 
the steps were missing its no wonder.
we did  adjust the basic system audio, finding no startup sound checkbox 
either.

Still  knowing about f11 and f12 helps allot, so thanks for that as well.
I have decided to seek an apple store in person  because I am truly hoping 
there is some way to curb how this machine's touch bar...which I 
absolutely hate, react, lower the level of sensitivity.
My sleeves set the thing off, and it impacts what is happening, with my 
being too new at things to get out of what happens. 
If not I will need to use an external keyboard, something keeps triggering 
a request for me to provide my administrative password,  with my not 
managing  to find the old school apple tutorial under voiceover utilities 
either.
its frustrating getting locked into  say a  folder in a utility, following 
the steps I believe I am hearing, for nothing to work.
On the other hand it was cool hearing my battery level by using vo-m and 
working my way across.
No idea why I believed the Music app came with big shore, its a part of 
Catalina too.

Anyway we forge forward.
kare



On Thu, 9 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


See my responses below in your text.

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 8, 2022, at 17:48, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi,
Not necessarily, at least for my combination of experiences.
If I do, as I plan tomorrow, check the sound effects sub-menu and a means of 
setting sound as  you wisely share here, I get to establish a baseline of sound 
that from an auditory processing standpoint insures I can say hear past  the 
tinnitus I have in one ear.  I already know my associate states  the volume is 
low.
From what you provide here f-11 and f-12 will adjust the system volume allowing 
 me to make changes, when wearing headphones, or  using a speaker, or any 
number of situations.
Still, and I am happy to be corrected if wrong, would not the sound return to  
the  level of the computer once shut down, meaning it would not absolutely 
recall where I left the f-11 f-12 setting?


TK:  The level of volume that was set before restart or shutdown is normally 
the level that it will return to upon startup the next time.


again happy to be wrong, but for me personally, better to have a sound baseline 
I can adjust then hear nothing by mistake.
Will report on the startup checkbox, if my time tomorrow supports your wisdom, 
I will be sharing that with apple accessibility.
After all, not only did I provide my apple id, but I shared the exact Catalina  
edition I use..so no reason for misinformation.
While I have your ear, what steps must I go through for an apple accessibility 
person's effort to see my screen actually work?
They claimed that when tried the system on their side said they  could not find 
my mac...go figure.


TK:  They should be able to connect to you either via a share screen request 
through iMessages, or they can send you a link that you can connect to through 
their support system.  If by iMessage, you will need iMessage set up on your 
Mac with either or both of your Apple ID eMail or mobile phone number enabled 
as iMessage usable.


If there is an additional setting, I would appreciate knowing in case I have 
another problem like yesterday.
Thanks,
Karen



On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

This is being made more complex than it needs to be.

??? System volume is the level of everything.  This is controlled either by the 
volume keys, F11 and F12 for down and up respectively, or you can use the 
VoiceOver command of VO-minus or VO-equals.  Yes, there is control for this in 
the Sound pane, but that would make your life more complicated and there???s no 
need to go there.
??? the Apple Accessibility representative was mistaken for Catalina.  This 
checkbox for the Startup Chime is not available in Catalina.  It was introduced 
in Big Sur.
??? if you currently do not have the Startup Chime, then you???ll either need 
to turn up the system volume, which I???ve outlined above, use the Terminal 
command I outlined in an earlier post, or, in some cases, you can reset the 
PRAM and it will be heard.
??? to reset the PRAM, turn your Mac off, then wait a few seconds, turn it back 
on and immediately hold down cmd+option+r+p.  Some finger gymnastics, but 
doable.

As I mentioned from the beginning, the Startup Chime was initially a hardware 
change, so older Macs that originally had the Startup Chime should not have 
lost it in the first place.

HTH.

Later???

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:08, Karen 

Re: system audio volume revisited?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

See my responses below in your text.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 8, 2022, at 17:48, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Not necessarily, at least for my combination of experiences.
> If I do, as I plan tomorrow, check the sound effects sub-menu and a means of 
> setting sound as  you wisely share here, I get to establish a baseline of 
> sound that from an auditory processing standpoint insures I can say hear past 
>  the tinnitus I have in one ear.  I already know my associate states  the 
> volume is low.
> From what you provide here f-11 and f-12 will adjust the system volume 
> allowing  me to make changes, when wearing headphones, or  using a speaker, 
> or any number of situations.
> Still, and I am happy to be corrected if wrong, would not the sound return to 
>  the  level of the computer once shut down, meaning it would not absolutely 
> recall where I left the f-11 f-12 setting?

TK:  The level of volume that was set before restart or shutdown is normally 
the level that it will return to upon startup the next time.

> again happy to be wrong, but for me personally, better to have a sound 
> baseline I can adjust then hear nothing by mistake.
> Will report on the startup checkbox, if my time tomorrow supports your 
> wisdom, I will be sharing that with apple accessibility.
> After all, not only did I provide my apple id, but I shared the exact 
> Catalina  edition I use..so no reason for misinformation.
> While I have your ear, what steps must I go through for an apple 
> accessibility person's effort to see my screen actually work?
> They claimed that when tried the system on their side said they  could not 
> find my mac...go figure.

TK:  They should be able to connect to you either via a share screen request 
through iMessages, or they can send you a link that you can connect to through 
their support system.  If by iMessage, you will need iMessage set up on your 
Mac with either or both of your Apple ID eMail or mobile phone number enabled 
as iMessage usable.

> If there is an additional setting, I would appreciate knowing in case I have 
> another problem like yesterday.
> Thanks,
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> This is being made more complex than it needs to be.
>> 
>> • System volume is the level of everything.  This is controlled either by 
>> the volume keys, F11 and F12 for down and up respectively, or you can use 
>> the VoiceOver command of VO-minus or VO-equals.  Yes, there is control for 
>> this in the Sound pane, but that would make your life more complicated and 
>> there’s no need to go there.
>> • the Apple Accessibility representative was mistaken for Catalina.  This 
>> checkbox for the Startup Chime is not available in Catalina.  It was 
>> introduced in Big Sur.
>> • if you currently do not have the Startup Chime, then you’ll either need to 
>> turn up the system volume, which I’ve outlined above, use the Terminal 
>> command I outlined in an earlier post, or, in some cases, you can reset the 
>> PRAM and it will be heard.
>> • to reset the PRAM, turn your Mac off, then wait a few seconds, turn it 
>> back on and immediately hold down cmd+option+r+p.  Some finger gymnastics, 
>> but doable.
>> 
>> As I mentioned from the beginning, the Startup Chime was initially a 
>> hardware change, so older Macs that originally had the Startup Chime should 
>> not have lost it in the first place.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:08, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If Apple accessibility is correct and it is considered  to be a sound 
>>> effect,  hopefully there will indeed be a volume for effects in general as 
>>> e. T. is suggesting.
>>> will find out on Thursday.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
>>> 
 Actually, with the startup sound, I don’t even know if you can change the 
 volume. Maybe in terminal, but I don’t think I can even change the volume 
 level of VO on the logon Screen that you get with File Valt and I don’t 
 think I could last time I had it in recovery mode, though that was a while 
 back so I could be wrong on that one.
 
> On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:21, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> I am not interested in doing this in the terminal, although I imagine 
> Johnathan's information will help someone.
> Instead I am interested in where the settings for system volume are 
> located.
> I intend on Thursday to have sighted help adjust this setting, I am not 
> solid enough in voiceover as of yet to do this, we are still optimizing 
> my computer for my use.
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 7 

Re: system audio volume revisited?

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

Changes in the system volume setting are preserved across reboots of the 
machine, at least on the two Mac Book Pro devices that I’ve owned.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Karen Lewellen 
Date: Wednesday, 8June, 2022 at 19:49
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: system audio volume revisited?
Hi,
  Not necessarily, at least for my combination of experiences.
If I do, as I plan tomorrow, check the sound effects sub-menu and a means
of setting sound as  you wisely share here, I get to establish a baseline
of sound that from an auditory processing standpoint insures I can say
hear past  the tinnitus I have in one ear.  I already know my associate
states  the volume is low.
>From what you provide here f-11 and f-12 will adjust the system volume
allowing  me to make changes, when wearing headphones, or  using a
speaker, or any number of situations.
Still, and I am happy to be corrected if wrong, would not the sound return
to  the  level of the computer once shut down, meaning it would not
absolutely recall where I left the f-11 f-12 setting?
again happy to be wrong, but for me personally, better to have a sound
baseline I can adjust then hear nothing by mistake.
Will report on the startup checkbox, if my time tomorrow supports your
wisdom, I will be sharing that with apple accessibility.
After all, not only did I provide my apple id, but I shared the exact
Catalina  edition I use..so no reason for misinformation.
While I have your ear, what steps must I go through for an apple
accessibility person's effort to see my screen actually work?
They claimed that when tried the system on their side said they  could
not find my mac...go figure.
If there is an additional setting, I would appreciate knowing in case I
have another problem like yesterday.
Thanks,
Karen



On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This is being made more complex than it needs to be.
>
> • System volume is the level of everything.  This is controlled either by the 
> volume keys, F11 and F12 for down and up respectively, or you can use the 
> VoiceOver command of VO-minus or VO-equals.  Yes, there is control for this 
> in the Sound pane, but that would make your life more complicated and there’s 
> no need to go there.
> • the Apple Accessibility representative was mistaken for Catalina.  This 
> checkbox for the Startup Chime is not available in Catalina.  It was 
> introduced in Big Sur.
> • if you currently do not have the Startup Chime, then you’ll either need to 
> turn up the system volume, which I’ve outlined above, use the Terminal 
> command I outlined in an earlier post, or, in some cases, you can reset the 
> PRAM and it will be heard.
> • to reset the PRAM, turn your Mac off, then wait a few seconds, turn it back 
> on and immediately hold down cmd+option+r+p.  Some finger gymnastics, but 
> doable.
>
> As I mentioned from the beginning, the Startup Chime was initially a hardware 
> change, so older Macs that originally had the Startup Chime should not have 
> lost it in the first place.
>
> HTH.
>
> Later…
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:08, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>
>> If Apple accessibility is correct and it is considered  to be a sound 
>> effect,  hopefully there will indeed be a volume for effects in general as 
>> e. T. is suggesting.
>> will find out on Thursday.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, with the startup sound, I don’t even know if you can change the 
>>> volume. Maybe in terminal, but I don’t think I can even change the volume 
>>> level of VO on the logon Screen that you get with File Valt and I don’t 
>>> think I could last time I had it in recovery mode, though that was a while 
>>> back so I could be wrong on that one.
>>>
>>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:21, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am not interested in doing this in the terminal, although I imagine 
>>>> Johnathan's information will help someone.
>>>> Instead I am interested in where the settings for system volume are 
>>>> located.
>>>> I intend on Thursday to have sighted help adjust this setting, I am not 
>>>> solid enough in voiceover as of yet to do this, we are still optimizing my 
>>>> computer for my use.
>>>> Karen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> You can use:
>>>

Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi,
 Not necessarily, at least for my combination of experiences.
If I do, as I plan tomorrow, check the sound effects sub-menu and a means 
of setting sound as  you wisely share here, I get to establish a baseline 
of sound that from an auditory processing standpoint insures I can say 
hear past  the tinnitus I have in one ear.  I already know my associate 
states  the volume is low.
From what you provide here f-11 and f-12 will adjust the system volume 
allowing  me to make changes, when wearing headphones, or  using a 
speaker, or any number of situations.
Still, and I am happy to be corrected if wrong, would not the sound return 
to  the  level of the computer once shut down, meaning it would not 
absolutely recall where I left the f-11 f-12 setting?
again happy to be wrong, but for me personally, better to have a sound 
baseline I can adjust then hear nothing by mistake.
Will report on the startup checkbox, if my time tomorrow supports your 
wisdom, I will be sharing that with apple accessibility.
After all, not only did I provide my apple id, but I shared the exact 
Catalina  edition I use..so no reason for misinformation.
While I have your ear, what steps must I go through for an apple 
accessibility person's effort to see my screen actually work?
They claimed that when tried the system on their side said they  could 
not find my mac...go figure.
If there is an additional setting, I would appreciate knowing in case I 
have another problem like yesterday.

Thanks,
Karen



On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

This is being made more complex than it needs to be.

??? System volume is the level of everything.  This is controlled either by the 
volume keys, F11 and F12 for down and up respectively, or you can use the 
VoiceOver command of VO-minus or VO-equals.  Yes, there is control for this in 
the Sound pane, but that would make your life more complicated and there???s no 
need to go there.
??? the Apple Accessibility representative was mistaken for Catalina.  This 
checkbox for the Startup Chime is not available in Catalina.  It was introduced 
in Big Sur.
??? if you currently do not have the Startup Chime, then you???ll either need 
to turn up the system volume, which I???ve outlined above, use the Terminal 
command I outlined in an earlier post, or, in some cases, you can reset the 
PRAM and it will be heard.
??? to reset the PRAM, turn your Mac off, then wait a few seconds, turn it back 
on and immediately hold down cmd+option+r+p.  Some finger gymnastics, but 
doable.

As I mentioned from the beginning, the Startup Chime was initially a hardware 
change, so older Macs that originally had the Startup Chime should not have 
lost it in the first place.

HTH.

Later???

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:08, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

If Apple accessibility is correct and it is considered  to be a sound effect,  
hopefully there will indeed be a volume for effects in general as e. T. is 
suggesting.
will find out on Thursday.



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:


Actually, with the startup sound, I don???t even know if you can change the 
volume. Maybe in terminal, but I don???t think I can even change the volume 
level of VO on the logon Screen that you get with File Valt and I don???t think 
I could last time I had it in recovery mode, though that was a while back so I 
could be wrong on that one.


On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:21, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

I am not interested in doing this in the terminal, although I imagine 
Johnathan's information will help someone.
Instead I am interested in where the settings for system volume are located.
I intend on Thursday to have sighted help adjust this setting, I am not solid 
enough in voiceover as of yet to do this, we are still optimizing my computer 
for my use.
Karen



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

You can use:

sudo nvram StartupMute=%00

To enable the startup chime on a Mac where it has been muted.  Remember that in 
Terminal, when you use the ???sudo??? command, you will be asked to enter your 
password if you???re an Admin of the computer.  There will be no audio feedback 
when entering this password in Terminal like you would here in regular 
situations. If you???re not in an Admin account, you will not be able to use 
this command.

HTH.

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:24, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:

On mac's that do not have startup chime, you can still enable it in the 
terminal app with a command that examines and changes nvram settings for the 
computer. I think it might have been Alex Hall that posted the recipe to turn 
this on.  Or perhaps a man ---  c nvram will pull up the sntax. My mac is 

Re: system audio volume revisited?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

This is being made more complex than it needs to be.

• System volume is the level of everything.  This is controlled either by the 
volume keys, F11 and F12 for down and up respectively, or you can use the 
VoiceOver command of VO-minus or VO-equals.  Yes, there is control for this in 
the Sound pane, but that would make your life more complicated and there’s no 
need to go there.
• the Apple Accessibility representative was mistaken for Catalina.  This 
checkbox for the Startup Chime is not available in Catalina.  It was introduced 
in Big Sur.
• if you currently do not have the Startup Chime, then you’ll either need to 
turn up the system volume, which I’ve outlined above, use the Terminal command 
I outlined in an earlier post, or, in some cases, you can reset the PRAM and it 
will be heard.
• to reset the PRAM, turn your Mac off, then wait a few seconds, turn it back 
on and immediately hold down cmd+option+r+p.  Some finger gymnastics, but 
doable.

As I mentioned from the beginning, the Startup Chime was initially a hardware 
change, so older Macs that originally had the Startup Chime should not have 
lost it in the first place.

HTH.

Later…
 
Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:08, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> If Apple accessibility is correct and it is considered  to be a sound effect, 
>  hopefully there will indeed be a volume for effects in general as e. T. is 
> suggesting.
> will find out on Thursday.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
> 
>> Actually, with the startup sound, I don’t even know if you can change the 
>> volume. Maybe in terminal, but I don’t think I can even change the volume 
>> level of VO on the logon Screen that you get with File Valt and I don’t 
>> think I could last time I had it in recovery mode, though that was a while 
>> back so I could be wrong on that one.
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:21, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am not interested in doing this in the terminal, although I imagine 
>>> Johnathan's information will help someone.
>>> Instead I am interested in where the settings for system volume are located.
>>> I intend on Thursday to have sighted help adjust this setting, I am not 
>>> solid enough in voiceover as of yet to do this, we are still optimizing my 
>>> computer for my use.
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 You can use:
 
 sudo nvram StartupMute=%00
 
 To enable the startup chime on a Mac where it has been muted.  Remember 
 that in Terminal, when you use the “sudo” command, you will be asked to 
 enter your password if you’re an Admin of the computer.  There will be no 
 audio feedback when entering this password in Terminal like you would here 
 in regular situations. If you’re not in an Admin account, you will not be 
 able to use this command.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:24, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> On mac's that do not have startup chime, you can still enable it in the 
> terminal app with a command that examines and changes nvram settings for 
> the computer. I think it might have been Alex Hall that posted the recipe 
> to turn this on.  Or perhaps a man ---  c nvram will pull up the sntax. 
> My mac is a couple 100 miles away so can't be very specific.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:59 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be 
>> set low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your 
>> computer from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, 
>>> which   may be why the sound is missing.
>>> As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was 
>>> never a windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
>>> What about turning up the sound if needful?
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  

Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Karen Lewellen]

If Apple accessibility is correct and it is considered  to be a sound 
effect,  hopefully there will indeed be a volume for effects in general as 
e. T. is suggesting.

will find out on Thursday.



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:


Actually, with the startup sound, I don’t even know if you can change the 
volume. Maybe in terminal, but I don’t think I can even change the volume level 
of VO on the logon Screen that you get with File Valt and I don’t think I could 
last time I had it in recovery mode, though that was a while back so I could be 
wrong on that one.


On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:21, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

I am not interested in doing this in the terminal, although I imagine 
Johnathan's information will help someone.
Instead I am interested in where the settings for system volume are located.
I intend on Thursday to have sighted help adjust this setting, I am not solid 
enough in voiceover as of yet to do this, we are still optimizing my computer 
for my use.
Karen



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

You can use:

sudo nvram StartupMute=%00

To enable the startup chime on a Mac where it has been muted.  Remember that in 
Terminal, when you use the “sudo” command, you will be asked to enter your 
password if you’re an Admin of the computer.  There will be no audio feedback 
when entering this password in Terminal like you would here in regular 
situations. If you’re not in an Admin account, you will not be able to use this 
command.

HTH.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:24, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:

On mac's that do not have startup chime, you can still enable it in the 
terminal app with a command that examines and changes nvram settings for the 
computer. I think it might have been Alex Hall that posted the recipe to turn 
this on.  Or perhaps a man ---  c nvram will pull up the sntax. My mac is a 
couple 100 miles away so can't be very specific.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:59 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be set 
low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your computer 
from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

Hi Tim,
My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, which   
may be why the sound is missing.
As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never a 
windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
What about turning up the sound if needful?
Kare



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  That is, 
the startup chime should still work normally on that device without any 
intervention in System Preferences.  I’m willing to be corrected, but I also 
believe that the checkbox that they’re speaking of was not present in Catalina, 
only Big Sur and newer.

No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that is 
sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it was removed, it 
doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that noise, then the hardware 
was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, unless the drive was a 
problem.

HTH.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

hi everyone,
I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 Catalina.
I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, was told 
by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing system preferences, 
sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a checkbox beside start up sound.
What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume is 
turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when awakening 
the mac, opening the lid?
Thanks,
Karen




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Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Karen Lewellen]

so, system preferences sound, sound effects, output then.
Or so we will discover.
Thanks,
karen



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Karen,
   Look on the Sound Effects tab near the bottom of that window.

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On 6/7/2022 7:17 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 what I am still missing is where one changes the system volume itself.
 I understand that about voiceover volume, but the start up sound is a
 system volume effect,  and unless I missed a post, the details for
 adjusting system volume have not been shared?
 Karen



 On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

>  Hi,
> 
>  Basically, sound  effects are at the same volume as the system.  So, 
>  if you have your volume set to 50%, then the sound effects will also be 
>  played at 50%.  VoiceOver has its own level that is changed with the 
>  system volume, but it depends on where VO volume is set to begin with.  
>  For example, you can use the rotor to decrease the volume of VO in 
>  reference to the system volume.  Pressing VO-cmd-shift-left or right 
>  until you hear VO announce “Volume”, then keeping the VO-cmd-shift 
>  keys down and pressing the down or up volume will only change the 
>  VoiceOver volume.  Thus, you can change the VO volume to, let’s say, 
>  40%, and it will not affect the sound effects or other media volumes.  
>  Turning up or down the system volume will change the VO volume relative, 
>  but it will stay at 40% of the system volume.
> 
>  I hope that this makes sense.
> 
>  Later…
> 
> 
>  Tim Kilburn

>  Jamf Certified Tech
>  Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>  Apple Teacher
>  (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>  Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> >  On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:17, Karen Lewellen  
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >  yes, that is exactly what I am saying.
> >  And  I wish to also know where system sound effects volume is 
> >  managed, as I dare say it differs from say voiceover volume.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > 
> > >  Hi,
> > > 
> > >  If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will 
> > >  normally be set low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, 
> > >  or startup your computer from scratch, you do not hear any startup 
> > >  chime?
> > > 
> > >  Later…
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  Tim Kilburn

> > >  Jamf Certified Tech
> > >  Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> > >  Apple Teacher
> > >  (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > >  Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > > 
> > > >  On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen 
> > > >   wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >  Hi Tim,
> > > >  My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big 
> > > >  shore, which   may be why the sound is missing.
> > > >  As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, 
> > > >  was never a windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy 
> > > >  laughs.

> > > >  What about turning up the sound if needful?
> > > >  Kare
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > >  Hi,
> > > > > 
> > > > >  The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of 
> > > > >  Mac.  That is, the startup chime should still work normally on 
> > > > >  that device without any intervention in System Preferences.  
> > > > >  I’m willing to be corrected, but I also believe that the 
> > > > >  checkbox that they’re speaking of was not present in Catalina, 
> > > > >  only Big Sur and newer.
> > > > > 
> > > > >  No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a 
> > > > >  chime that is sounded as part of the boot process.  In older 
> > > > >  Macs, before it was removed, it doubled as kind of a system 
> > > > >  check.  If you heard that noise, then the hardware was OK, and 
> > > > >  it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, unless the drive was a 
> > > > >  problem.
> > > > > 
> > > > >  HTH.
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Later…
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Tim Kilburn

> > > > >  Jamf Certified Tech
> > > > >  Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> > > > >  Apple Teacher
> > > > >  (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > > > >  Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > > > > 
> > > > > >  On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen 
> > > > > >   wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  hi everyone,
> > > > > >  I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 
> > > > > >  10.15.7 Catalina.
> > > > > >  I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being 
> > > > > >  removed, was told by apple accessibility that this is 
> > > > > >  corrected  by accessing system preferences, sound, sound 
> > > > > >  effects, and making sure there is a checkbox beside start up 
> > > > > >  sound.
> > > > > >  What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up 
> > > > > >  sound 

Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Karen Lewellen]

as in system preferences,  output?
As stated I have to guide someone else to the option.



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:


System volume is under Output.


On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:17, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

what I am still missing is where one changes the system volume itself.
I understand that about voiceover volume, but the start up sound is a system 
volume effect,  and unless I missed a post, the details for adjusting system 
volume have not been shared?
Karen



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

Basically, sound  effects are at the same volume as the system.  So, if you 
have your volume set to 50%, then the sound effects will also be played at 50%. 
 VoiceOver has its own level that is changed with the system volume, but it 
depends on where VO volume is set to begin with.  For example, you can use the 
rotor to decrease the volume of VO in reference to the system volume.  Pressing 
VO-cmd-shift-left or right until you hear VO announce “Volume”, then keeping 
the VO-cmd-shift keys down and pressing the down or up volume will only change 
the VoiceOver volume.  Thus, you can change the VO volume to, let’s say, 40%, 
and it will not affect the sound effects or other media volumes.  Turning up or 
down the system volume will change the VO volume relative, but it will stay at 
40% of the system volume.

I hope that this makes sense.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:17, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

yes, that is exactly what I am saying.
And  I wish to also know where system sound effects volume is managed, as I 
dare say it differs from say voiceover volume.



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be set 
low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your computer 
from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi Tim,
My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, which   
may be why the sound is missing.
As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never a 
windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
What about turning up the sound if needful?
Kare



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  That is, 
the startup chime should still work normally on that device without any 
intervention in System Preferences.  I’m willing to be corrected, but I also 
believe that the checkbox that they’re speaking of was not present in Catalina, 
only Big Sur and newer.

No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that is 
sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it was removed, it 
doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that noise, then the hardware 
was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, unless the drive was a 
problem.

HTH.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

hi everyone,
I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 Catalina.
I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, was told 
by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing system preferences, 
sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a checkbox beside start up sound.
What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume is 
turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when awakening 
the mac, opening the lid?
Thanks,
Karen




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Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Herbie Allen]

Actually, with the startup sound, I don’t even know if you can change the 
volume. Maybe in terminal, but I don’t think I can even change the volume level 
of VO on the logon Screen that you get with File Valt and I don’t think I could 
last time I had it in recovery mode, though that was a while back so I could be 
wrong on that one.

> On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:21, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> I am not interested in doing this in the terminal, although I imagine 
> Johnathan's information will help someone.
> Instead I am interested in where the settings for system volume are located.
> I intend on Thursday to have sighted help adjust this setting, I am not solid 
> enough in voiceover as of yet to do this, we are still optimizing my computer 
> for my use.
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You can use:
>> 
>> sudo nvram StartupMute=%00
>> 
>> To enable the startup chime on a Mac where it has been muted.  Remember that 
>> in Terminal, when you use the “sudo” command, you will be asked to enter 
>> your password if you’re an Admin of the computer.  There will be no audio 
>> feedback when entering this password in Terminal like you would here in 
>> regular situations. If you’re not in an Admin account, you will not be able 
>> to use this command.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:24, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On mac's that do not have startup chime, you can still enable it in the 
>>> terminal app with a command that examines and changes nvram settings for 
>>> the computer. I think it might have been Alex Hall that posted the recipe 
>>> to turn this on.  Or perhaps a man ---  c nvram will pull up the sntax. My 
>>> mac is a couple 100 miles away so can't be very specific.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:59 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be 
 set low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your 
 computer from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, 
> which   may be why the sound is missing.
> As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never 
> a windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
> What about turning up the sound if needful?
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  
>> That is, the startup chime should still work normally on that device 
>> without any intervention in System Preferences.  I’m willing to be 
>> corrected, but I also believe that the checkbox that they’re speaking of 
>> was not present in Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.
>> 
>> No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime 
>> that is sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it 
>> was removed, it doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that 
>> noise, then the hardware was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the 
>> MacOS, unless the drive was a problem.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi everyone,
>>> I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 
>>> Catalina.
>>> I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, 
>>> was told by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing 
>>> system preferences, sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a 
>>> checkbox beside start up sound.
>>> What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound 
>>> volume is turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
>>> Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when 
>>> awakening the mac, opening the lid?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: system audio volume revisited?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Karen,
   Look on the Sound Effects tab near the bottom of that window.

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will make violent revolution inevitable."
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On 6/7/2022 7:17 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

what I am still missing is where one changes the system volume itself.
I understand that about voiceover volume, but the start up sound is a 
system volume effect,  and unless I missed a post, the details for 
adjusting system volume have not been shared?

Karen



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

Basically, sound  effects are at the same volume as the system.  So, 
if you have your volume set to 50%, then the sound effects will also 
be played at 50%.  VoiceOver has its own level that is changed with 
the system volume, but it depends on where VO volume is set to begin 
with.  For example, you can use the rotor to decrease the volume of VO 
in reference to the system volume.  Pressing VO-cmd-shift-left or 
right until you hear VO announce “Volume”, then keeping the 
VO-cmd-shift keys down and pressing the down or up volume will only 
change the VoiceOver volume.  Thus, you can change the VO volume to, 
let’s say, 40%, and it will not affect the sound effects or other 
media volumes.  Turning up or down the system volume will change the 
VO volume relative, but it will stay at 40% of the system volume.


I hope that this makes sense.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:17, Karen Lewellen  
wrote:


yes, that is exactly what I am saying.
And  I wish to also know where system sound effects volume is 
managed, as I dare say it differs from say voiceover volume.




On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will 
normally be set low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, 
or startup your computer from scratch, you do not hear any startup 
chime?


Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen  
wrote:


Hi Tim,
My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big 
shore, which   may be why the sound is missing.
As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was 
never a windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.

What about turning up the sound if needful?
Kare



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of 
Mac.  That is, the startup chime should still work normally on 
that device without any intervention in System Preferences.  I’m 
willing to be corrected, but I also believe that the checkbox that 
they’re speaking of was not present in Catalina, only Big Sur and 
newer.


No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a 
chime that is sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, 
before it was removed, it doubled as kind of a system check.  If 
you heard that noise, then the hardware was OK, and it should 
proceed to bring up the MacOS, unless the drive was a problem.


HTH.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen 
 wrote:


hi everyone,
I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 
10.15.7 Catalina.
I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being 
removed, was told by apple accessibility that this is corrected  
by accessing system preferences, sound, sound effects, and making 
sure there is a checkbox beside start up sound.
What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound 
volume is turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen 
when awakening the mac, opening the lid?

Thanks,
Karen




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Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Herbie Allen]

System volume is under Output.

> On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:17, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> what I am still missing is where one changes the system volume itself.
> I understand that about voiceover volume, but the start up sound is a system 
> volume effect,  and unless I missed a post, the details for adjusting system 
> volume have not been shared?
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Basically, sound  effects are at the same volume as the system.  So, if you 
>> have your volume set to 50%, then the sound effects will also be played at 
>> 50%.  VoiceOver has its own level that is changed with the system volume, 
>> but it depends on where VO volume is set to begin with.  For example, you 
>> can use the rotor to decrease the volume of VO in reference to the system 
>> volume.  Pressing VO-cmd-shift-left or right until you hear VO announce 
>> “Volume”, then keeping the VO-cmd-shift keys down and pressing the down or 
>> up volume will only change the VoiceOver volume.  Thus, you can change the 
>> VO volume to, let’s say, 40%, and it will not affect the sound effects or 
>> other media volumes.  Turning up or down the system volume will change the 
>> VO volume relative, but it will stay at 40% of the system volume.
>> 
>> I hope that this makes sense.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:17, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> yes, that is exactly what I am saying.
>>> And  I wish to also know where system sound effects volume is managed, as I 
>>> dare say it differs from say voiceover volume.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be 
 set low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your 
 computer from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, 
> which   may be why the sound is missing.
> As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never 
> a windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
> What about turning up the sound if needful?
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  
>> That is, the startup chime should still work normally on that device 
>> without any intervention in System Preferences.  I’m willing to be 
>> corrected, but I also believe that the checkbox that they’re speaking of 
>> was not present in Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.
>> 
>> No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime 
>> that is sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it 
>> was removed, it doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that 
>> noise, then the hardware was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the 
>> MacOS, unless the drive was a problem.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi everyone,
>>> I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 
>>> Catalina.
>>> I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, 
>>> was told by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing 
>>> system preferences, sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a 
>>> checkbox beside start up sound.
>>> What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound 
>>> volume is turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
>>> Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when 
>>> awakening the mac, opening the lid?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Karen Lewellen]

I am not interested in doing this in the terminal, although I imagine 
Johnathan's information will help someone.

Instead I am interested in where the settings for system volume are located.
I intend on Thursday to have sighted help adjust this setting, I am not 
solid enough in voiceover as of yet to do this, we are still optimizing my 
computer for my use.

Karen



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

You can use:

sudo nvram StartupMute=%00

To enable the startup chime on a Mac where it has been muted.  Remember that in 
Terminal, when you use the ???sudo??? command, you will be asked to enter your 
password if you???re an Admin of the computer.  There will be no audio feedback 
when entering this password in Terminal like you would here in regular 
situations. If you???re not in an Admin account, you will not be able to use 
this command.

HTH.

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:24, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:

On mac's that do not have startup chime, you can still enable it in the 
terminal app with a command that examines and changes nvram settings for the 
computer. I think it might have been Alex Hall that posted the recipe to turn 
this on.  Or perhaps a man ---  c nvram will pull up the sntax. My mac is a 
couple 100 miles away so can't be very specific.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:59 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

???Hi,

If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be set 
low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your computer 
from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

Hi Tim,
My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, which   
may be why the sound is missing.
As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never a 
windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
What about turning up the sound if needful?
Kare



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  That is, 
the startup chime should still work normally on that device without any 
intervention in System Preferences.  I???m willing to be corrected, but I also 
believe that the checkbox that they???re speaking of was not present in 
Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.

No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that is 
sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it was removed, it 
doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that noise, then the hardware 
was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, unless the drive was a 
problem.

HTH.

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

hi everyone,
I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 Catalina.
I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, was told 
by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing system preferences, 
sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a checkbox beside start up sound.
What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume is 
turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when awakening 
the mac, opening the lid?
Thanks,
Karen




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Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Karen Lewellen]

what I am still missing is where one changes the system volume itself.
I understand that about voiceover volume, but the start up sound is a 
system volume effect,  and unless I missed a post, the details for 
adjusting system volume have not been shared?

Karen



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

Basically, sound  effects are at the same volume as the system.  So, if you 
have your volume set to 50%, then the sound effects will also be played at 50%. 
 VoiceOver has its own level that is changed with the system volume, but it 
depends on where VO volume is set to begin with.  For example, you can use the 
rotor to decrease the volume of VO in reference to the system volume.  Pressing 
VO-cmd-shift-left or right until you hear VO announce ???Volume???, then 
keeping the VO-cmd-shift keys down and pressing the down or up volume will only 
change the VoiceOver volume.  Thus, you can change the VO volume to, let???s 
say, 40%, and it will not affect the sound effects or other media volumes.  
Turning up or down the system volume will change the VO volume relative, but it 
will stay at 40% of the system volume.

I hope that this makes sense.

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:17, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

yes, that is exactly what I am saying.
And  I wish to also know where system sound effects volume is managed, as I 
dare say it differs from say voiceover volume.



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be set 
low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your computer 
from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi Tim,
My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, which   
may be why the sound is missing.
As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never a 
windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
What about turning up the sound if needful?
Kare



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  That is, 
the startup chime should still work normally on that device without any 
intervention in System Preferences.  I???m willing to be corrected, but I also 
believe that the checkbox that they???re speaking of was not present in 
Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.

No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that is 
sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it was removed, it 
doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that noise, then the hardware 
was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, unless the drive was a 
problem.

HTH.

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

hi everyone,
I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 Catalina.
I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, was told 
by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing system preferences, 
sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a checkbox beside start up sound.
What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume is 
turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when awakening 
the mac, opening the lid?
Thanks,
Karen




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Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Karen Lewellen]

My information  from apple accessibility is that there is a checkbox for 
the start up sound under system preferences, sound, sound effects.




On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:


On mac's that do not have startup chime, you can still enable it in the 
terminal app with a command that examines and changes nvram settings for the 
computer. I think it might have been Alex Hall that posted the recipe to turn 
this on.  Or perhaps a man ---  c nvram will pull up the sntax. My mac is a 
couple 100 miles away so can't be very specific.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:59 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

???Hi,

If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be set 
low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your computer 
from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi Tim,
My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, which   
may be why the sound is missing.
As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never a 
windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
What about turning up the sound if needful?
Kare




On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  That is, 
the startup chime should still work normally on that device without any 
intervention in System Preferences.  I???m willing to be corrected, but I also 
believe that the checkbox that they???re speaking of was not present in 
Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.

No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that is 
sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it was removed, it 
doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that noise, then the hardware 
was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, unless the drive was a 
problem.

HTH.

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

hi everyone,
I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 Catalina.
I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, was told 
by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing system preferences, 
sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a checkbox beside start up sound.
What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume is 
turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when awakening 
the mac, opening the lid?
Thanks,
Karen




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Re: system audio volume revisited?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

You can use:

sudo nvram StartupMute=%00

To enable the startup chime on a Mac where it has been muted.  Remember that in 
Terminal, when you use the “sudo” command, you will be asked to enter your 
password if you’re an Admin of the computer.  There will be no audio feedback 
when entering this password in Terminal like you would here in regular 
situations. If you’re not in an Admin account, you will not be able to use this 
command.

HTH.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:24, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> On mac's that do not have startup chime, you can still enable it in the 
> terminal app with a command that examines and changes nvram settings for the 
> computer. I think it might have been Alex Hall that posted the recipe to turn 
> this on.  Or perhaps a man ---  c nvram will pull up the sntax. My mac is a 
> couple 100 miles away so can't be very specific. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:59 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be set 
>> low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your computer 
>> from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, 
>>> which   may be why the sound is missing.
>>> As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never a 
>>> windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
>>> What about turning up the sound if needful?
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  That 
 is, the startup chime should still work normally on that device without 
 any intervention in System Preferences.  I’m willing to be corrected, but 
 I also believe that the checkbox that they’re speaking of was not present 
 in Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.
 
 No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that 
 is sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it was 
 removed, it doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that noise, 
 then the hardware was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, 
 unless the drive was a problem.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen  > wrote:
> 
> hi everyone,
> I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 
> Catalina.
> I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, 
> was told by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing 
> system preferences, sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a 
> checkbox beside start up sound.
> What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume 
> is turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
> Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when 
> awakening the mac, opening the lid?
> Thanks,
> Karen
> 
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Re: system audio volume revisited?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Basically, sound  effects are at the same volume as the system.  So, if you 
have your volume set to 50%, then the sound effects will also be played at 50%. 
 VoiceOver has its own level that is changed with the system volume, but it 
depends on where VO volume is set to begin with.  For example, you can use the 
rotor to decrease the volume of VO in reference to the system volume.  Pressing 
VO-cmd-shift-left or right until you hear VO announce “Volume”, then keeping 
the VO-cmd-shift keys down and pressing the down or up volume will only change 
the VoiceOver volume.  Thus, you can change the VO volume to, let’s say, 40%, 
and it will not affect the sound effects or other media volumes.  Turning up or 
down the system volume will change the VO volume relative, but it will stay at 
40% of the system volume.

I hope that this makes sense.

Later…
   

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:17, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> yes, that is exactly what I am saying.
> And  I wish to also know where system sound effects volume is managed, as I 
> dare say it differs from say voiceover volume.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be set 
>> low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your computer 
>> from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, 
>>> which   may be why the sound is missing.
>>> As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never a 
>>> windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
>>> What about turning up the sound if needful?
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  That 
 is, the startup chime should still work normally on that device without 
 any intervention in System Preferences.  I’m willing to be corrected, but 
 I also believe that the checkbox that they’re speaking of was not present 
 in Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.
 
 No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that 
 is sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it was 
 removed, it doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that noise, 
 then the hardware was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, 
 unless the drive was a problem.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> hi everyone,
> I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 
> Catalina.
> I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, 
> was told by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing 
> system preferences, sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a 
> checkbox beside start up sound.
> What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume 
> is turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
> Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when 
> awakening the mac, opening the lid?
> Thanks,
> Karen
> 
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Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

On mac's that do not have startup chime, you can still enable it in the 
terminal app with a command that examines and changes nvram settings for the 
computer. I think it might have been Alex Hall that posted the recipe to turn 
this on.  Or perhaps a man ---  c nvram will pull up the sntax. My mac is a 
couple 100 miles away so can't be very specific. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:59 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be set 
> low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your computer 
> from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, 
>> which   may be why the sound is missing.
>> As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never a 
>> windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
>> What about turning up the sound if needful?
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  That 
>>> is, the startup chime should still work normally on that device without any 
>>> intervention in System Preferences.  I’m willing to be corrected, but I 
>>> also believe that the checkbox that they’re speaking of was not present in 
>>> Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.
>>> 
>>> No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that 
>>> is sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it was 
>>> removed, it doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that noise, 
>>> then the hardware was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, 
>>> unless the drive was a problem.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
 
 hi everyone,
 I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 
 Catalina.
 I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, was 
 told by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing system 
 preferences, sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a checkbox 
 beside start up sound.
 What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume 
 is turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
 Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when 
 awakening the mac, opening the lid?
 Thanks,
 Karen
 
 
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Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Karen Lewellen]

yes, that is exactly what I am saying.
And  I wish to also know where system sound effects volume is managed, as 
I dare say it differs from say voiceover volume.




On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be set 
low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your computer 
from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi Tim,
My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, which   
may be why the sound is missing.
As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never a 
windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
What about turning up the sound if needful?
Kare



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  That is, 
the startup chime should still work normally on that device without any 
intervention in System Preferences.  I???m willing to be corrected, but I also 
believe that the checkbox that they???re speaking of was not present in 
Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.

No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that is 
sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it was removed, it 
doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that noise, then the hardware 
was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, unless the drive was a 
problem.

HTH.

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

hi everyone,
I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 Catalina.
I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, was told 
by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing system preferences, 
sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a checkbox beside start up sound.
What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume is 
turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when awakening 
the mac, opening the lid?
Thanks,
Karen




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Re: system audio volume revisited?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be set 
low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your computer 
from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, which 
>   may be why the sound is missing.
> As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never a 
> windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
> What about turning up the sound if needful?
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  That 
>> is, the startup chime should still work normally on that device without any 
>> intervention in System Preferences.  I’m willing to be corrected, but I also 
>> believe that the checkbox that they’re speaking of was not present in 
>> Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.
>> 
>> No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that 
>> is sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it was 
>> removed, it doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that noise, 
>> then the hardware was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, 
>> unless the drive was a problem.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi everyone,
>>> I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 
>>> Catalina.
>>> I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, was 
>>> told by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing system 
>>> preferences, sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a checkbox 
>>> beside start up sound.
>>> What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume is 
>>> turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
>>> Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when 
>>> awakening the mac, opening the lid?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Tim,
My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, 
which   may be why the sound is missing.
As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never a 
windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.

What about turning up the sound if needful?
Kare



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  That is, 
the startup chime should still work normally on that device without any 
intervention in System Preferences.  I???m willing to be corrected, but I also 
believe that the checkbox that they???re speaking of was not present in 
Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.

No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that is 
sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it was removed, it 
doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that noise, then the hardware 
was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, unless the drive was a 
problem.

HTH.

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

hi everyone,
I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 Catalina.
I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, was told 
by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing system preferences, 
sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a checkbox beside start up sound.
What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume is 
turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when awakening 
the mac, opening the lid?
Thanks,
Karen




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Re: system audio volume revisited?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  That is, 
the startup chime should still work normally on that device without any 
intervention in System Preferences.  I’m willing to be corrected, but I also 
believe that the checkbox that they’re speaking of was not present in Catalina, 
only Big Sur and newer.

No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that is 
sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it was removed, it 
doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that noise, then the hardware 
was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, unless the drive was a 
problem.

HTH.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> hi everyone,
> I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 Catalina.
> I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, was 
> told by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing system 
> preferences, sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a checkbox beside 
> start up sound.
> What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume is 
> turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
> Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when awakening 
> the mac, opening the lid?
> Thanks,
> Karen
> 
> 

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