Re: adobe flash player

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I wouldn’t worry about them then.  If you can’t find them in the location that 
is mentioned, then they’re likely already gone.  If it is that you can’t find 
that location, then there’s a different problem.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jul 10, 2021, at 1:11 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I did run the uninstall program. it gave me a "done" button. but then the 
> how-to instructions say to remove these certain files from my computer and 
> that's where I was having the trouble. I can't find those files.
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2021, at 2:45 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That's all fine and dandy, but after a while she'll get nagged to update the 
>> flash player, which you can't as they've stopped supporting it. What I did 
>> was Googled how to uninstall the flash player and they tell you to run the 
>> uninstaller. So all she has to do is on their website, find the uninstaller 
>> and run it. For this, tabbing around is the best way of navigation so just 
>> find the uninstall button and press the spacebar by itself.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>> 
>> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
>> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email 
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>> happily add you.
>> 
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>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
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>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2021, at 10:34 PM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, I can't help you with this.
>>> I stopped using flash player long ago, and never installed it on either of 
>>> my two current max.
>>> Since it is no longer supported or used by websites, and Safari and other 
>>> modern browsers have it disabled, you could just leave it where it is and 
>>> not worry about it.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2021, at 17:47, Lorie McCloud >> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ok. I followed the steps but I so far can't locate the directories in 
>>> finder that I'm supposed to delete. I found "library" in the main directory 
>>> but can't find flash player as I go farther in. where should I look for 
>>> those?
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 9, 2021, at 5:01 PM, Brad Snyder >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> See below article from Apple Insider on uninstalling Flash Player from 
>>>> your Mac:
>>>> 
>>>> HTH.
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/01/03/how-to-uninstall-the-adobe-flash-player-from-your-mac
>>>>  
>>>> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/01/03/how-to-uninstall-the-adobe-flash-player-from-your-mac>
>>>> 
>>>> How to uninstall Adobe Flash Player from your Mac
>>>> Jan 12, 2021
>>>> <39591-75938-flash-montage-head-xl.jpg>
>>>> It's 2021, and Adobe is no longer supporting the Flash Player, so it's 
>>>> about time you uninstalled it from your Mac. Here's how to get rid of the 
>>>> relic from an older Internet browsing era. 
>>>> 
>>>> Flash was a major element of early web browsing, used to power various 
>>>> animations, forms, and other interactive elements on a website for a user. 
>>>> It was embraced as it offered more options to web developers and media 
>>>> creators than HTML, animated GIFs, and other basic technologies of the 
>>>> time. 
>>>> 
>>>> However, as browsers improved, and started to sue open standards like 
>>>> HTML5, WebGL, and WebAssembly among others, Flash fell by the wayside as 
>>>> the dominant way to provide interactivity. The increased use of the Flash 
>>>> player installer for malware purposes 
>>>> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/01/24/the-top-malware-threat-for-macos-infects-one-in-10-users>
>>>>  also probably hastened its demise. 
>>>> 
>>>> Adobe announced in 2017 
>>>> &

Re: adobe flash player

[Lorie McCloud]

I did run the uninstall program. it gave me a "done" button. but then the 
how-to instructions say to remove these certain files from my computer and 
that's where I was having the trouble. I can't find those files.

> On Jul 10, 2021, at 2:45 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's all fine and dandy, but after a while she'll get nagged to update the 
> flash player, which you can't as they've stopped supporting it. What I did 
> was Googled how to uninstall the flash player and they tell you to run the 
> uninstaller. So all she has to do is on their website, find the uninstaller 
> and run it. For this, tabbing around is the best way of navigation so just 
> find the uninstall button and press the spacebar by itself.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
> 
> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email with 
> your contact information and the group you wish to join and I'll happily add 
> you.
> 
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2021, at 10:34 PM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Unfortunately, I can't help you with this.
>> I stopped using flash player long ago, and never installed it on either of 
>> my two current max.
>> Since it is no longer supported or used by websites, and Safari and other 
>> modern browsers have it disabled, you could just leave it where it is and 
>> not worry about it.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Jul 9, 2021, at 17:47, Lorie McCloud > <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> ok. I followed the steps but I so far can't locate the directories in 
>> finder that I'm supposed to delete. I found "library" in the main directory 
>> but can't find flash player as I go farther in. where should I look for 
>> those?
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2021, at 5:01 PM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> See below article from Apple Insider on uninstalling Flash Player from your 
>>> Mac:
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/01/03/how-to-uninstall-the-adobe-flash-player-from-your-mac
>>>  
>>> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/01/03/how-to-uninstall-the-adobe-flash-player-from-your-mac>
>>> 
>>> How to uninstall Adobe Flash Player from your Mac
>>> Jan 12, 2021
>>> <39591-75938-flash-montage-head-xl.jpg>
>>> It's 2021, and Adobe is no longer supporting the Flash Player, so it's 
>>> about time you uninstalled it from your Mac. Here's how to get rid of the 
>>> relic from an older Internet browsing era. 
>>> 
>>> Flash was a major element of early web browsing, used to power various 
>>> animations, forms, and other interactive elements on a website for a user. 
>>> It was embraced as it offered more options to web developers and media 
>>> creators than HTML, animated GIFs, and other basic technologies of the 
>>> time. 
>>> 
>>> However, as browsers improved, and started to sue open standards like 
>>> HTML5, WebGL, and WebAssembly among others, Flash fell by the wayside as 
>>> the dominant way to provide interactivity. The increased use of the Flash 
>>> player installer for malware purposes 
>>> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/01/24/the-top-malware-threat-for-macos-infects-one-in-10-users>
>>>  also probably hastened its demise. 
>>> 
>>> Adobe announced in 2017 
>>> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/17/07/25/flash-is-dead-adobe-announces-end-of-life-plans-will-stop-distribution-in-2020>
>>>  it would cease development and distribution of Flash Player by the end of 
>>> 2020, and encourage the adoption of other open formats for content that 
>>> uses Flash. At the time, Adobe cited a collaboration with Apple, Facebook, 
>>> Google, Microsoft, and Mozilla as being the impetus behind the decision to 
>>> end-of-life the technology. 
>>> 
>>> Since that announcement, Adobe continued to support Flash with security 
>>> patches and other updates, setting its actual EOL date to be December 31, 
>>> 2020. From January 1, 2021, Adobe would cease supporting Flash Player 
>>> itself, followed by setting the sof

Re: adobe flash player

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Adobe is no longer doing anything with Flash either, so, there should be no 
update requests coming from Adobe anymore.  I agree with Brad, in that if you 
are having problems with the uninstaller in whatever form has been suggested, 
you should simply be able to leave it on your machine, and as you update to Big 
Sur or Monterey, it will likely be removed anyway as incompatible software.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jul 10, 2021, at 1:45 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's all fine and dandy, but after a while she'll get nagged to update the 
> flash player, which you can't as they've stopped supporting it. What I did 
> was Googled how to uninstall the flash player and they tell you to run the 
> uninstaller. So all she has to do is on their website, find the uninstaller 
> and run it. For this, tabbing around is the best way of navigation so just 
> find the uninstall button and press the spacebar by itself.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
> 
> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email with 
> your contact information and the group you wish to join and I'll happily add 
> you.
> 
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2021, at 10:34 PM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Unfortunately, I can't help you with this.
>> I stopped using flash player long ago, and never installed it on either of 
>> my two current max.
>> Since it is no longer supported or used by websites, and Safari and other 
>> modern browsers have it disabled, you could just leave it where it is and 
>> not worry about it.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Jul 9, 2021, at 17:47, Lorie McCloud > <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> ok. I followed the steps but I so far can't locate the directories in 
>> finder that I'm supposed to delete. I found "library" in the main directory 
>> but can't find flash player as I go farther in. where should I look for 
>> those?
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2021, at 5:01 PM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> See below article from Apple Insider on uninstalling Flash Player from your 
>>> Mac:
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/01/03/how-to-uninstall-the-adobe-flash-player-from-your-mac
>>>  
>>> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/01/03/how-to-uninstall-the-adobe-flash-player-from-your-mac>
>>> 
>>> How to uninstall Adobe Flash Player from your Mac
>>> Jan 12, 2021
>>> <39591-75938-flash-montage-head-xl.jpg>
>>> It's 2021, and Adobe is no longer supporting the Flash Player, so it's 
>>> about time you uninstalled it from your Mac. Here's how to get rid of the 
>>> relic from an older Internet browsing era. 
>>> 
>>> Flash was a major element of early web browsing, used to power various 
>>> animations, forms, and other interactive elements on a website for a user. 
>>> It was embraced as it offered more options to web developers and media 
>>> creators than HTML, animated GIFs, and other basic technologies of the 
>>> time. 
>>> 
>>> However, as browsers improved, and started to sue open standards like 
>>> HTML5, WebGL, and WebAssembly among others, Flash fell by the wayside as 
>>> the dominant way to provide interactivity. The increased use of the Flash 
>>> player installer for malware purposes 
>>> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/01/24/the-top-malware-threat-for-macos-infects-one-in-10-users>
>>>  also probably hastened its demise. 
>>> 
>>> Adobe announced in 2017 
>>> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/17/07/25/flash-is-dead-adobe-announces-end-of-life-plans-will-stop-distribution-in-2020>
>>>  it would cease development and distribution of Flash Player by the end of 
>>> 2020, and encourage the adoption of other open formats for content that 
>>> uses Flash. At the time, Adobe cited a collaboration with Apple, Facebook, 
>>> Google, Microsoft, and Mozilla as being the impetus behind the decision to 
>>> end-of-life th

Re: adobe flash player

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

That's all fine and dandy, but after a while she'll get nagged to update the 
flash player, which you can't as they've stopped supporting it. What I did was 
Googled how to uninstall the flash player and they tell you to run the 
uninstaller. So all she has to do is on their website, find the uninstaller and 
run it. For this, tabbing around is the best way of navigation so just find the 
uninstall button and press the spacebar by itself.

Regards,
Shawn,
Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email with 
your contact information and the group you wish to join and I'll happily add 
you.

Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Jul 9, 2021, at 10:34 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately, I can't help you with this.
> I stopped using flash player long ago, and never installed it on either of my 
> two current max.
> Since it is no longer supported or used by websites, and Safari and other 
> modern browsers have it disabled, you could just leave it where it is and not 
> worry about it.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jul 9, 2021, at 17:47, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> ok. I followed the steps but I so far can't locate the directories in finder 
> that I'm supposed to delete. I found "library" in the main directory but 
> can't find flash player as I go farther in. where should I look for those?
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2021, at 5:01 PM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> See below article from Apple Insider on uninstalling Flash Player from your 
>> Mac:
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/01/03/how-to-uninstall-the-adobe-flash-player-from-your-mac
>>  
>> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/01/03/how-to-uninstall-the-adobe-flash-player-from-your-mac>
>> 
>> How to uninstall Adobe Flash Player from your Mac
>> Jan 12, 2021
>> <39591-75938-flash-montage-head-xl.jpg>
>> It's 2021, and Adobe is no longer supporting the Flash Player, so it's about 
>> time you uninstalled it from your Mac. Here's how to get rid of the relic 
>> from an older Internet browsing era. 
>> 
>> Flash was a major element of early web browsing, used to power various 
>> animations, forms, and other interactive elements on a website for a user. 
>> It was embraced as it offered more options to web developers and media 
>> creators than HTML, animated GIFs, and other basic technologies of the time. 
>> 
>> However, as browsers improved, and started to sue open standards like HTML5, 
>> WebGL, and WebAssembly among others, Flash fell by the wayside as the 
>> dominant way to provide interactivity. The increased use of the Flash player 
>> installer for malware purposes 
>> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/01/24/the-top-malware-threat-for-macos-infects-one-in-10-users>
>>  also probably hastened its demise. 
>> 
>> Adobe announced in 2017 
>> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/17/07/25/flash-is-dead-adobe-announces-end-of-life-plans-will-stop-distribution-in-2020>
>>  it would cease development and distribution of Flash Player by the end of 
>> 2020, and encourage the adoption of other open formats for content that uses 
>> Flash. At the time, Adobe cited a collaboration with Apple, Facebook, 
>> Google, Microsoft, and Mozilla as being the impetus behind the decision to 
>> end-of-life the technology. 
>> 
>> Since that announcement, Adobe continued to support Flash with security 
>> patches and other updates, setting its actual EOL date to be December 31, 
>> 2020. From January 1, 2021, Adobe would cease supporting Flash Player 
>> itself, followed by setting the software to block Flash content from running 
>> at all from January 12. 
>> 
>> To end users, this will largely mean Adobe doesn't intend to issue Flash 
>> Player updates or security patches anymore. Since Flash can potentially be a 
>> security risk, especially with no further updates on the horizon, Adobe is 
>> actively advising 
>> <https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/end-of-life.html>users to 
>> uninstall the Flash Player from their computers. 
>> 
>> Adobe has even taken the step of removing download pages for Flash Player 
>> from its website, to prevent anyone curious from being tempted to install it 
>> for themselves in its last days of life. 
>> 
>> Major browser vendors are also disabling Flash Player fro

Re: adobe flash player

[Brad Snyder]

Unfortunately, I can't help you with this.
I stopped using flash player long ago, and never installed it on either of my 
two current max.
Since it is no longer supported or used by websites, and Safari and other 
modern browsers have it disabled, you could just leave it where it is and not 
worry about it.

- Brad -

On Jul 9, 2021, at 17:47, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

ok. I followed the steps but I so far can't locate the directories in finder 
that I'm supposed to delete. I found "library" in the main directory but can't 
find flash player as I go farther in. where should I look for those?
thanks.
Lorie

> On Jul 9, 2021, at 5:01 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> See below article from Apple Insider on uninstalling Flash Player from your 
> Mac:
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/01/03/how-to-uninstall-the-adobe-flash-player-from-your-mac
> 
> How to uninstall Adobe Flash Player from your Mac
> Jan 12, 2021
> <39591-75938-flash-montage-head-xl.jpg>
> It's 2021, and Adobe is no longer supporting the Flash Player, so it's about 
> time you uninstalled it from your Mac. Here's how to get rid of the relic 
> from an older Internet browsing era. 
> 
> Flash was a major element of early web browsing, used to power various 
> animations, forms, and other interactive elements on a website for a user. It 
> was embraced as it offered more options to web developers and media creators 
> than HTML, animated GIFs, and other basic technologies of the time. 
> 
> However, as browsers improved, and started to sue open standards like HTML5, 
> WebGL, and WebAssembly among others, Flash fell by the wayside as the 
> dominant way to provide interactivity. The increased use of the Flash player 
> installer for malware purposes also probably hastened its demise. 
> 
> Adobe announced in 2017 it would cease development and distribution of Flash 
> Player by the end of 2020, and encourage the adoption of other open formats 
> for content that uses Flash. At the time, Adobe cited a collaboration with 
> Apple, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, and Mozilla as being the impetus behind 
> the decision to end-of-life the technology. 
> 
> Since that announcement, Adobe continued to support Flash with security 
> patches and other updates, setting its actual EOL date to be December 31, 
> 2020. From January 1, 2021, Adobe would cease supporting Flash Player itself, 
> followed by setting the software to block Flash content from running at all 
> from January 12. 
> 
> To end users, this will largely mean Adobe doesn't intend to issue Flash 
> Player updates or security patches anymore. Since Flash can potentially be a 
> security risk, especially with no further updates on the horizon, Adobe is 
> actively advisingusers to uninstall the Flash Player from their computers. 
> 
> Adobe has even taken the step of removing download pages for Flash Player 
> from its website, to prevent anyone curious from being tempted to install it 
> for themselves in its last days of life. 
> 
> Major browser vendors are also disabling Flash Player from running from the 
> EOL date. For Mac browsers, Safari disabled support for Adobe Flash in early 
> 2020, after previously requiring users to explicitly enable it, while Firefox 
> version 84.0 is the last with support for Flash, and the same removal of 
> support is on the way for Chrome and Microsoft Edge. 
> 
> For iPhone and iPad users, Flash hasn't ever been a problem, as iOS and 
> iPadOS devices never supported the technology. 
> 
> Flash isn't being completely killed off, however, as Adobe has offered 
> support avenues for enterprise customers needing Flash Player for internal 
> business systems. For the web at large, however, Flash is basically dead. 
> 
> While web browsers are removing support and it will be seemingly inert, 
> there's still some work you have to do to get rid of the last remnants of it 
> from your Mac. The Flash Player is a separate application that needs to be 
> uninstalled, before you can seriously consider your Mac Flash-free. 
> 
> <39591-75937-adobe-flash-player-uninstaller-xl.jpg>
> The Adobe Flash Player Uninstaller running in macOS.
> First, you have to download the appropriate uninstaller for your version of 
> macOS or Mac OS X. There are three general versions available, covering Mac 
> OS X 10.1 to 10.3, OS X 10.4 and 10.5, and OS X 10.6 and later including 
> macOS, so make sure to download the appropriate version for your Mac's 
> operating system. 
> 
> How to uninstall Flash Player for Mac OS X 10.4 or later and macOS
> 
> How to uninstall Flash Player for Mac OS X 10.1 to 10.3
> 
> AppleInsider has affiliate partnerships and may earn commission on products 
> purcha

Re: adobe flash player

[Pete De Vasto]

For me, the .dmg file went into my Downloads folder. It’s really tricky to run, 
because VO doesn’t do a good job reading the buttons you need, just calling 
them images. What I resorted to doing, once I realized the app was open and 
running, was to navigate by the keyboard, and I got to first the uninstall 
button and pressed RETURN, then on the next screen I tabbed to each browser’s 
button, and then on the final screen all I saw was an image, and I just assumed 
that the uninstall was done so I closed the app. I’m short on time right now, 
but perhaps someone else here can document this further, but I’m glad, I hope, 
that the app is gone now from my system. Oh, I’m running Catalina BTW.

Pete

> On Jul 9, 2021, at 3:01 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> See below article from Apple Insider on uninstalling Flash Player from your 
> Mac:
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/01/03/how-to-uninstall-the-adobe-flash-player-from-your-mac
>  
> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/01/03/how-to-uninstall-the-adobe-flash-player-from-your-mac>
> 
> How to uninstall Adobe Flash Player from your Mac
> Jan 12, 2021
> <39591-75938-flash-montage-head-xl.jpg>
> It's 2021, and Adobe is no longer supporting the Flash Player, so it's about 
> time you uninstalled it from your Mac. Here's how to get rid of the relic 
> from an older Internet browsing era. 
> 
> Flash was a major element of early web browsing, used to power various 
> animations, forms, and other interactive elements on a website for a user. It 
> was embraced as it offered more options to web developers and media creators 
> than HTML, animated GIFs, and other basic technologies of the time. 
> 
> However, as browsers improved, and started to sue open standards like HTML5, 
> WebGL, and WebAssembly among others, Flash fell by the wayside as the 
> dominant way to provide interactivity. The increased use of the Flash player 
> installer for malware purposes 
> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/01/24/the-top-malware-threat-for-macos-infects-one-in-10-users>
>  also probably hastened its demise. 
> 
> Adobe announced in 2017 
> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/17/07/25/flash-is-dead-adobe-announces-end-of-life-plans-will-stop-distribution-in-2020>
>  it would cease development and distribution of Flash Player by the end of 
> 2020, and encourage the adoption of other open formats for content that uses 
> Flash. At the time, Adobe cited a collaboration with Apple, Facebook, Google, 
> Microsoft, and Mozilla as being the impetus behind the decision to 
> end-of-life the technology. 
> 
> Since that announcement, Adobe continued to support Flash with security 
> patches and other updates, setting its actual EOL date to be December 31, 
> 2020. From January 1, 2021, Adobe would cease supporting Flash Player itself, 
> followed by setting the software to block Flash content from running at all 
> from January 12. 
> 
> To end users, this will largely mean Adobe doesn't intend to issue Flash 
> Player updates or security patches anymore. Since Flash can potentially be a 
> security risk, especially with no further updates on the horizon, Adobe is 
> actively advising 
> <https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/end-of-life.html>users to 
> uninstall the Flash Player from their computers. 
> 
> Adobe has even taken the step of removing download pages for Flash Player 
> from its website, to prevent anyone curious from being tempted to install it 
> for themselves in its last days of life. 
> 
> Major browser vendors are also disabling Flash Player from running from the 
> EOL date. For Mac browsers, Safari disabled support 
> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/01/23/adobe-flash-disabled-in-latest-safari-technology-preview>
>  for Adobe Flash in early 2020, after previously requiring users to 
> explicitly enable it, while Firefox 
> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/12/15/new-firefox-840-update-adds-native-apple-silicon-support>
>  version 84.0 is the last with support for Flash, and the same removal of 
> support is on the way for Chrome <https://www.chromium.org/flash-roadmap> and 
> Microsoft Edge 
> <https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2020/09/04/update-adobe-flash-end-support/>.
>  
> 
> For iPhone <https://appleinsider.com/inside/iphone> and iPad 
> <https://appleinsider.com/inside/ipad> users, Flash hasn't ever been a 
> problem, as iOS and iPadOS devices never supported the technology. 
> 
> Flash isn't being completely killed off, however, as Adobe has offered 
> support avenues for enterprise customers 
> <https://blog.adobe.com/en/fpost/2020/update-for-enterprise-adobe-flash-player.html>
>  needing Fla

Re: adobe flash player

[Lorie McCloud]

ok. I followed the steps but I so far can't locate the directories in finder 
that I'm supposed to delete. I found "library" in the main directory but can't 
find flash player as I go farther in. where should I look for those?
thanks.
Lorie

> On Jul 9, 2021, at 5:01 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> See below article from Apple Insider on uninstalling Flash Player from your 
> Mac:
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/01/03/how-to-uninstall-the-adobe-flash-player-from-your-mac
>  
> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/01/03/how-to-uninstall-the-adobe-flash-player-from-your-mac>
> 
> How to uninstall Adobe Flash Player from your Mac
> Jan 12, 2021
> <39591-75938-flash-montage-head-xl.jpg>
> It's 2021, and Adobe is no longer supporting the Flash Player, so it's about 
> time you uninstalled it from your Mac. Here's how to get rid of the relic 
> from an older Internet browsing era. 
> 
> Flash was a major element of early web browsing, used to power various 
> animations, forms, and other interactive elements on a website for a user. It 
> was embraced as it offered more options to web developers and media creators 
> than HTML, animated GIFs, and other basic technologies of the time. 
> 
> However, as browsers improved, and started to sue open standards like HTML5, 
> WebGL, and WebAssembly among others, Flash fell by the wayside as the 
> dominant way to provide interactivity. The increased use of the Flash player 
> installer for malware purposes 
> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/01/24/the-top-malware-threat-for-macos-infects-one-in-10-users>
>  also probably hastened its demise. 
> 
> Adobe announced in 2017 
> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/17/07/25/flash-is-dead-adobe-announces-end-of-life-plans-will-stop-distribution-in-2020>
>  it would cease development and distribution of Flash Player by the end of 
> 2020, and encourage the adoption of other open formats for content that uses 
> Flash. At the time, Adobe cited a collaboration with Apple, Facebook, Google, 
> Microsoft, and Mozilla as being the impetus behind the decision to 
> end-of-life the technology. 
> 
> Since that announcement, Adobe continued to support Flash with security 
> patches and other updates, setting its actual EOL date to be December 31, 
> 2020. From January 1, 2021, Adobe would cease supporting Flash Player itself, 
> followed by setting the software to block Flash content from running at all 
> from January 12. 
> 
> To end users, this will largely mean Adobe doesn't intend to issue Flash 
> Player updates or security patches anymore. Since Flash can potentially be a 
> security risk, especially with no further updates on the horizon, Adobe is 
> actively advising 
> <https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/end-of-life.html>users to 
> uninstall the Flash Player from their computers. 
> 
> Adobe has even taken the step of removing download pages for Flash Player 
> from its website, to prevent anyone curious from being tempted to install it 
> for themselves in its last days of life. 
> 
> Major browser vendors are also disabling Flash Player from running from the 
> EOL date. For Mac browsers, Safari disabled support 
> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/01/23/adobe-flash-disabled-in-latest-safari-technology-preview>
>  for Adobe Flash in early 2020, after previously requiring users to 
> explicitly enable it, while Firefox 
> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/12/15/new-firefox-840-update-adds-native-apple-silicon-support>
>  version 84.0 is the last with support for Flash, and the same removal of 
> support is on the way for Chrome <https://www.chromium.org/flash-roadmap> and 
> Microsoft Edge 
> <https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2020/09/04/update-adobe-flash-end-support/>.
>  
> 
> For iPhone <https://appleinsider.com/inside/iphone> and iPad 
> <https://appleinsider.com/inside/ipad> users, Flash hasn't ever been a 
> problem, as iOS and iPadOS devices never supported the technology. 
> 
> Flash isn't being completely killed off, however, as Adobe has offered 
> support avenues for enterprise customers 
> <https://blog.adobe.com/en/fpost/2020/update-for-enterprise-adobe-flash-player.html>
>  needing Flash Player for internal business systems. For the web at large, 
> however, Flash is basically dead. 
> 
> While web browsers are removing support and it will be seemingly inert, 
> there's still some work you have to do to get rid of the last remnants of it 
> from your Mac. The Flash Player is a separate application that needs to be 
> uninstalled, before you can seriously consider your Mac Flash-free. 
> 
> <39591-75937-adobe-flas

Re: adobe flash player

[Brad Snyder]

See below article from Apple Insider on uninstalling Flash Player from your Mac:

HTH.

- Brad -


https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/01/03/how-to-uninstall-the-adobe-flash-player-from-your-mac

How to uninstall Adobe Flash Player from your Mac
Jan 12, 2021

It's 2021, and Adobe is no longer supporting the Flash Player, so it's about 
time you uninstalled it from your Mac. Here's how to get rid of the relic from 
an older Internet browsing era. 

Flash was a major element of early web browsing, used to power various 
animations, forms, and other interactive elements on a website for a user. It 
was embraced as it offered more options to web developers and media creators 
than HTML, animated GIFs, and other basic technologies of the time. 

However, as browsers improved, and started to sue open standards like HTML5, 
WebGL, and WebAssembly among others, Flash fell by the wayside as the dominant 
way to provide interactivity. The increased use of the Flash player installer 
for malware purposes 
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/01/24/the-top-malware-threat-for-macos-infects-one-in-10-users>
 also probably hastened its demise. 

Adobe announced in 2017 
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/17/07/25/flash-is-dead-adobe-announces-end-of-life-plans-will-stop-distribution-in-2020>
 it would cease development and distribution of Flash Player by the end of 
2020, and encourage the adoption of other open formats for content that uses 
Flash. At the time, Adobe cited a collaboration with Apple, Facebook, Google, 
Microsoft, and Mozilla as being the impetus behind the decision to end-of-life 
the technology. 

Since that announcement, Adobe continued to support Flash with security patches 
and other updates, setting its actual EOL date to be December 31, 2020. From 
January 1, 2021, Adobe would cease supporting Flash Player itself, followed by 
setting the software to block Flash content from running at all from January 
12. 

To end users, this will largely mean Adobe doesn't intend to issue Flash Player 
updates or security patches anymore. Since Flash can potentially be a security 
risk, especially with no further updates on the horizon, Adobe is actively 
advising <https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/end-of-life.html>users to 
uninstall the Flash Player from their computers. 

Adobe has even taken the step of removing download pages for Flash Player from 
its website, to prevent anyone curious from being tempted to install it for 
themselves in its last days of life. 

Major browser vendors are also disabling Flash Player from running from the EOL 
date. For Mac browsers, Safari disabled support 
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/01/23/adobe-flash-disabled-in-latest-safari-technology-preview>
 for Adobe Flash in early 2020, after previously requiring users to explicitly 
enable it, while Firefox 
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/12/15/new-firefox-840-update-adds-native-apple-silicon-support>
 version 84.0 is the last with support for Flash, and the same removal of 
support is on the way for Chrome <https://www.chromium.org/flash-roadmap> and 
Microsoft Edge 
<https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2020/09/04/update-adobe-flash-end-support/>.
 

For iPhone <https://appleinsider.com/inside/iphone> and iPad 
<https://appleinsider.com/inside/ipad> users, Flash hasn't ever been a problem, 
as iOS and iPadOS devices never supported the technology. 

Flash isn't being completely killed off, however, as Adobe has offered support 
avenues for enterprise customers 
<https://blog.adobe.com/en/fpost/2020/update-for-enterprise-adobe-flash-player.html>
 needing Flash Player for internal business systems. For the web at large, 
however, Flash is basically dead. 

While web browsers are removing support and it will be seemingly inert, there's 
still some work you have to do to get rid of the last remnants of it from your 
Mac. The Flash Player is a separate application that needs to be uninstalled, 
before you can seriously consider your Mac Flash-free. 


The Adobe Flash Player Uninstaller running in macOS.
First, you have to download the appropriate uninstaller for your version of 
macOS <https://appleinsider.com/inside/macos> or Mac OS X. There are three 
general versions available, covering Mac OS X 10.1 to 10.3 
<https://fpdownload.macromedia.com/pub/flash/ts/uninstall_flash_player_osx_10.2.dmg>,
 OS X 10.4 and 10.5 
<https://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/support/uninstall_flash_player_osx_10.4.dmg>,
 and OS X 10.6 and later 
<https://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/support/uninstall_flash_player_osx.dmg>
 including macOS, so make sure to download the appropriate version for your 
Mac's operating system. 

How to uninstall Flash Player for Mac OS X 10.4 or later and macOS

How to uninstall Flash Player for Mac OS X 10.1 to 10.3

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adobe flash player

[Lorie McCloud]

I've decided to get rid of the Adobe Flash Player. the site I used it on is 
moving their stuff to youtube so I don't need it any more. how do I remove it 
from my Mac?

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: Flash card app?

[Brandon Olivares]

If you’re OK with just iPhone, Flashcards Deluxe is the best app I’ve found. It 
syncs with Dropbox, has simple text import via tab-separated values, supports 
spaced repetition, and is really easy to use. The apps author is very 
responsive as well.

I’ve never found an accessible flashcards app for the Mac. Anki is useless 
unfortunately, which is what most people use.

Brandon

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> On Jan 11, 2021, at 11:49 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I’m looking for a flash card app for the Mac. Ideally, I’d like it to 
> sync between my devices, but it isn’t a deal breaker if it doesn’t.
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
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Flash card app?

[Traci Duncan]

Hi all, I’m looking for a flash card app for the Mac. Ideally, I’d like it to 
sync between my devices, but it isn’t a deal breaker if it doesn’t.

Thanks,
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Flash cards

[Traci Duncan]

Hi, does anyone have Mac app recommendations for flash cards? I want it for 
multiple languages.

Thank you,
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RE: USB flash drive with my phone.

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah I do to,

I saw this done on a phone a couple of years back but it was a jail break phone 
which the guy needed to power the hub to get enough power to the USb adapter in 
his phone to run the usb flash drive.

Which really makes sense.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of joseph hodge
Sent: Monday, 11 May 2020 9:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: USB flash drive with my phone.

I found that there are two camera kits unfortunately I bought the cheaper one 
first and it does not have enough power to run by drives. However the one for 
$39 the camera kit three has a female lightning port that you can use to power 
a device plus charge your eye device and that seems to allow me to connect to 
most of my hard drives. It looks more like a hub because it’s got the square 
plastic housing and has a USB a port and a lightning female port. Hope this 
helps

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 11, 2020, at 3:37 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I think you'll find that the Usb device needs a bigger power supply than 
> what your phone can provide it.
> See what happens if you use a USB hub Powered and then connected to your 
> phone.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2020 8:12 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: USB flash drive with my phone.
> 
> Hi folks.
> 
>  I've got the camera connection kit, with the drive plugged in to my phone.
> 
> There are zip audio files on the drive.
> 
> I want to import these files into voice dream reader.
> 
> every time i try this, I get document not available.
> 
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Re: USB flash drive with my phone.

[joseph hodge]

I found that there are two camera kits unfortunately I bought the cheaper one 
first and it does not have enough power to run by drives. However the one for 
$39 the camera kit three has a female lightning port that you can use to power 
a device plus charge your eye device and that seems to allow me to connect to 
most of my hard drives. It looks more like a hub because it’s got the square 
plastic housing and has a USB a port and a lightning female port. Hope this 
helps

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 11, 2020, at 3:37 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I think you'll find that the Usb device needs a bigger power supply than 
> what your phone can provide it.
> See what happens if you use a USB hub Powered and then connected to your 
> phone.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2020 8:12 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: USB flash drive with my phone.
> 
> Hi folks.
> 
>  I've got the camera connection kit, with the drive plugged in to my phone.
> 
> There are zip audio files on the drive.
> 
> I want to import these files into voice dream reader.
> 
> every time i try this, I get document not available.
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RE: USB flash drive with my phone.

[Simon A Fogarty]

I think you'll find that the Usb device needs a bigger power supply than what 
your phone can provide it.
See what happens if you use a USB hub Powered and then connected to your phone.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2020 8:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: USB flash drive with my phone.

Hi folks.

  I've got the camera connection kit, with the drive plugged in to my phone.

There are zip audio files on the drive.

I want to import these files into voice dream reader.

every time i try this, I get document not available.

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Re: USB flash drive with my phone.

[Matt]

I would usually do that, but upload speed here doesn't work well.

On 5/9/2020 4:39 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
I’ve always used dropbox to transfer files to my phone, and if they 
are on a flash drive I just plugged it into my computer and used 
dropbox. Then it is quite easy to get files from dropbox into voice dream.


On 10/05/2020, at 08:33, Matt <mailto:meturner2...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Yeah, I think the files app keeps crashing, because it will not let 
me copy anything.


What format should the flash drive be in?


On 5/9/2020 4:17 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Try transferring them with the files app instead. Maybe even 
transfer them from the drive to the Reader folder in “on my iPhone” 
file area.


On May 9, 2020, at 3:11 PM, Matt <mailto:meturner2...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hi folks.

 I've got the camera connection kit, with the drive plugged in to 
my phone.


There are zip audio files on the drive.

I want to import these files into voice dream reader.

every time i try this, I get document not available.

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Re: USB flash drive with my phone.

[Petrus Tuerlings]

I’ve always used dropbox to transfer files to my phone, and if they are on a 
flash drive I just plugged it into my computer and used dropbox. Then it is 
quite easy to get files from dropbox into voice dream.

> On 10/05/2020, at 08:33, Matt  wrote:
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> Yeah, I think the files app keeps crashing, because it will not let me copy 
> anything.
> 
> What format should the flash drive be in?
> 
> 
> On 5/9/2020 4:17 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Try transferring them with the files app instead. Maybe even transfer them 
>> from the drive to the Reader folder in “on my iPhone” file area.
>> 
>>> On May 9, 2020, at 3:11 PM, Matt  wrote:
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>>> Hi folks.
>>> 
>>>  I've got the camera connection kit, with the drive plugged in to my phone.
>>> 
>>> There are zip audio files on the drive.
>>> 
>>> I want to import these files into voice dream reader.
>>> 
>>> every time i try this, I get document not available.
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Re: USB flash drive with my phone.

[Matt]

Yeah, I think the files app keeps crashing, because it will not let me 
copy anything.


What format should the flash drive be in?


On 5/9/2020 4:17 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Try transferring them with the files app instead. Maybe even transfer them from 
the drive to the Reader folder in “on my iPhone” file area.


On May 9, 2020, at 3:11 PM, Matt  wrote:

Hi folks.

  I've got the camera connection kit, with the drive plugged in to my phone.

There are zip audio files on the drive.

I want to import these files into voice dream reader.

every time i try this, I get document not available.

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Re: USB flash drive with my phone.

['Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries]

Try transferring them with the files app instead. Maybe even transfer them from 
the drive to the Reader folder in “on my iPhone” file area.

> On May 9, 2020, at 3:11 PM, Matt  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks.
> 
>  I've got the camera connection kit, with the drive plugged in to my phone.
> 
> There are zip audio files on the drive.
> 
> I want to import these files into voice dream reader.
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> every time i try this, I get document not available.
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USB flash drive with my phone.

[Matt]

Hi folks.

 I've got the camera connection kit, with the drive plugged in to my phone.

There are zip audio files on the drive.

I want to import these files into voice dream reader.

every time i try this, I get document not available.

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Re: the 3rd USB flash drive with the same issue

[Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر]

Hi:

No, it is 32 GB


> On Mar 29, 2020, at 3:14 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Possibly because of the size of the USB device’s storage,
>  
> Fat32 could be greyed out if the drive is over something like 64 gb
>  
> Or because you need to partition it first to ensure no mac os format is on it 
> before formatting as fat 32.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa Saber 
>  ? 
> Sent: Sunday, 29 March 2020 7:23 AM
> To: mac mailing list  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: the 3rd USB flash drive with the same issue
>  
> Just to Clear things.
> when i choose Fat32, the eras button is demmbed, with no reason.
> but when i choose X-fat, it’s working, is there any reason for this?
>  
> 
> 
> On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> When I used the word "wipe", yes, that is the same as erase.  So, go into 
> Disk Utility on the Mac, locate and  select the USB stick, then erase it.  
> FAT32 should be fine, or EXFAT would work as well.
>  
> Later...
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
> On Mar 27, 2020, at 13:47, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى 
> صابر⁩<⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>⁩> wrote:
>  
> WHat proparties you mean?
> 
> 
> On Mar 27, 2020, at 6:31 AM, PRAMIT BHARGAVA  <mailto:pramit.vis...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Format your USB drive and don't use quite format for this. Also go to the 
> properties and adjust it for best performance, rather than quick removal.
> And hopefully this will fix the problem.
>  
> Pramit
>  
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:05 PM Ramy Moustafa  <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi all:
> Hope everyone is safe.
> This is the 3rd Flash drive that i bought, I got Kingstone, Transend, and 
> Toshiba, and the same result.
> I did not format this Drive, i left it with the Factory Format which is 
> Fat32, Am using it to move data between Mac and windows, the problem that Is 
> happening on the 3 drives is that the drive is getting slower and slower with 
> no reason, this is not just on my mac, i tried it on my Friend’s mac, and the 
> same result, so, what can cause this? and is there away to avoid this?
> I amde a scan for errors and the 3 drives are ok, no virus,Need technical 
> Advice.
> Thanks in advance 
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RE: the 3rd USB flash drive with the same issue

[Simon A Fogarty]

No issue on windows using fat32 unless a file is bigger than 4GB in size,



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Sunday, 29 March 2020 7:40 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: the 3rd USB flash drive with the same issue

FAT32 doesn’t work on flash drives.  It has always been that way.  Not sure if 
this is a Mac thing, but I think it is the same on Windows.
Your choices are standard FAT, or Extended XFAT.
I’d go with XFAT because it will allow for larger file sizes.

HTH

- Brad -

On Mar 28, 2020, at 13:22, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
<⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com<mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>⁩> wrote:

Just to Clear things.
when i choose Fat32, the eras button is demmbed, with no reason.
but when i choose X-fat, it’s working, is there any reason for this?



On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

When I used the word "wipe", yes, that is the same as erase.  So, go into Disk 
Utility on the Mac, locate and  select the USB stick, then erase it.  FAT32 
should be fine, or EXFAT would work as well.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 27, 2020, at 13:47, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
<⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com<mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>⁩> wrote:

WHat proparties you mean?


On Mar 27, 2020, at 6:31 AM, PRAMIT BHARGAVA 
mailto:pramit.vis...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Format your USB drive and don't use quite format for this. Also go to the 
properties and adjust it for best performance, rather than quick removal.
And hopefully this will fix the problem.

Pramit

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:05 PM Ramy Moustafa 
mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all:
Hope everyone is safe.
This is the 3rd Flash drive that i bought, I got Kingstone, Transend, and 
Toshiba, and the same result.
I did not format this Drive, i left it with the Factory Format which is Fat32, 
Am using it to move data between Mac and windows, the problem that Is happening 
on the 3 drives is that the drive is getting slower and slower with no reason, 
this is not just on my mac, i tried it on my Friend’s mac, and the same result, 
so, what can cause this? and is there away to avoid this?
I amde a scan for errors and the 3 drives are ok, no virus,Need technical 
Advice.
Thanks in advance

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RE: the 3rd USB flash drive with the same issue

[Simon A Fogarty]

Possibly because of the size of the USB device’s storage,

Fat32 could be greyed out if the drive is over something like 64 gb

Or because you need to partition it first to ensure no mac os format is on it 
before formatting as fat 32.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa Saber  ? 
Sent: Sunday, 29 March 2020 7:23 AM
To: mac mailing list 
Subject: Re: the 3rd USB flash drive with the same issue

Just to Clear things.
when i choose Fat32, the eras button is demmbed, with no reason.
but when i choose X-fat, it’s working, is there any reason for this?



On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

When I used the word "wipe", yes, that is the same as erase.  So, go into Disk 
Utility on the Mac, locate and  select the USB stick, then erase it.  FAT32 
should be fine, or EXFAT would work as well.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 27, 2020, at 13:47, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
<⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com<mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>⁩> wrote:

WHat proparties you mean?


On Mar 27, 2020, at 6:31 AM, PRAMIT BHARGAVA 
mailto:pramit.vis...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Format your USB drive and don't use quite format for this. Also go to the 
properties and adjust it for best performance, rather than quick removal.
And hopefully this will fix the problem.

Pramit

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:05 PM Ramy Moustafa 
mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all:
Hope everyone is safe.
This is the 3rd Flash drive that i bought, I got Kingstone, Transend, and 
Toshiba, and the same result.
I did not format this Drive, i left it with the Factory Format which is Fat32, 
Am using it to move data between Mac and windows, the problem that Is happening 
on the 3 drives is that the drive is getting slower and slower with no reason, 
this is not just on my mac, i tried it on my Friend’s mac, and the same result, 
so, what can cause this? and is there away to avoid this?
I amde a scan for errors and the 3 drives are ok, no virus,Need technical 
Advice.
Thanks in advance

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Re: the 3rd USB flash drive with the same issue

[Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر]

Trying now the x-fat


> On Mar 28, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> FAT32 doesn’t work on flash drives.  It has always been that way.  Not sure 
> if this is a Mac thing, but I think it is the same on Windows.
> Your choices are standard FAT, or Extended XFAT.
> I’d go with XFAT because it will allow for larger file sizes.
> 
> HTH
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 28, 2020, at 13:22, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>⁩> wrote:
> 
> Just to Clear things.
> when i choose Fat32, the eras button is demmbed, with no reason.
> but when i choose X-fat, it’s working, is there any reason for this?
> 
> 
>> On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When I used the word "wipe", yes, that is the same as erase.  So, go into 
>> Disk Utility on the Mac, locate and  select the USB stick, then erase it.  
>> FAT32 should be fine, or EXFAT would work as well.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 27, 2020, at 13:47, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
>> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>⁩> wrote:
>> 
>> WHat proparties you mean?
>> 
>>> On Mar 27, 2020, at 6:31 AM, PRAMIT BHARGAVA >> <mailto:pramit.vis...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Format your USB drive and don't use quite format for this. Also go to the 
>>> properties and adjust it for best performance, rather than quick removal.
>>> And hopefully this will fix the problem.
>>> 
>>> Pramit
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:05 PM Ramy Moustafa >> <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Hi all:
>>> Hope everyone is safe.
>>> This is the 3rd Flash drive that i bought, I got Kingstone, Transend, and 
>>> Toshiba, and the same result.
>>> I did not format this Drive, i left it with the Factory Format which is 
>>> Fat32, Am using it to move data between Mac and windows, the problem that 
>>> Is happening on the 3 drives is that the drive is getting slower and slower 
>>> with no reason, this is not just on my mac, i tried it on my Friend’s mac, 
>>> and the same result, so, what can cause this? and is there away to avoid 
>>> this?
>>> I amde a scan for errors and the 3 drives are ok, no virus,Need technical 
>>> Advice.
>>> Thanks in advance 
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Re: the 3rd USB flash drive with the same issue

[Brad Snyder]

FAT32 doesn’t work on flash drives.  It has always been that way.  Not sure if 
this is a Mac thing, but I think it is the same on Windows.
Your choices are standard FAT, or Extended XFAT.
I’d go with XFAT because it will allow for larger file sizes.

HTH

- Brad -


On Mar 28, 2020, at 13:22, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
<⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com⁩> wrote:

Just to Clear things.
when i choose Fat32, the eras button is demmbed, with no reason.
but when i choose X-fat, it’s working, is there any reason for this?


> On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When I used the word "wipe", yes, that is the same as erase.  So, go into 
> Disk Utility on the Mac, locate and  select the USB stick, then erase it.  
> FAT32 should be fine, or EXFAT would work as well.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 27, 2020, at 13:47, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>⁩> wrote:
> 
> WHat proparties you mean?
> 
>> On Mar 27, 2020, at 6:31 AM, PRAMIT BHARGAVA > <mailto:pramit.vis...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Format your USB drive and don't use quite format for this. Also go to the 
>> properties and adjust it for best performance, rather than quick removal.
>> And hopefully this will fix the problem.
>> 
>> Pramit
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:05 PM Ramy Moustafa > <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi all:
>> Hope everyone is safe.
>> This is the 3rd Flash drive that i bought, I got Kingstone, Transend, and 
>> Toshiba, and the same result.
>> I did not format this Drive, i left it with the Factory Format which is 
>> Fat32, Am using it to move data between Mac and windows, the problem that Is 
>> happening on the 3 drives is that the drive is getting slower and slower 
>> with no reason, this is not just on my mac, i tried it on my Friend’s mac, 
>> and the same result, so, what can cause this? and is there away to avoid 
>> this?
>> I amde a scan for errors and the 3 drives are ok, no virus,Need technical 
>> Advice.
>> Thanks in advance 
>> 
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Re: the 3rd USB flash drive with the same issue

[Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر]

Just to Clear things.
when i choose Fat32, the eras button is demmbed, with no reason.
but when i choose X-fat, it’s working, is there any reason for this?


> On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When I used the word "wipe", yes, that is the same as erase.  So, go into 
> Disk Utility on the Mac, locate and  select the USB stick, then erase it.  
> FAT32 should be fine, or EXFAT would work as well.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 27, 2020, at 13:47, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>⁩> wrote:
> 
> WHat proparties you mean?
> 
>> On Mar 27, 2020, at 6:31 AM, PRAMIT BHARGAVA > <mailto:pramit.vis...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Format your USB drive and don't use quite format for this. Also go to the 
>> properties and adjust it for best performance, rather than quick removal.
>> And hopefully this will fix the problem.
>> 
>> Pramit
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:05 PM Ramy Moustafa > <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi all:
>> Hope everyone is safe.
>> This is the 3rd Flash drive that i bought, I got Kingstone, Transend, and 
>> Toshiba, and the same result.
>> I did not format this Drive, i left it with the Factory Format which is 
>> Fat32, Am using it to move data between Mac and windows, the problem that Is 
>> happening on the 3 drives is that the drive is getting slower and slower 
>> with no reason, this is not just on my mac, i tried it on my Friend’s mac, 
>> and the same result, so, what can cause this? and is there away to avoid 
>> this?
>> I amde a scan for errors and the 3 drives are ok, no virus,Need technical 
>> Advice.
>> Thanks in advance 
>> 
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Re: the 3rd USB flash drive with the same issue

[Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر]

ok,  but when changing the security preferences to erase all things, the erase 
is demmbed,
why/

> On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When I used the word "wipe", yes, that is the same as erase.  So, go into 
> Disk Utility on the Mac, locate and  select the USB stick, then erase it.  
> FAT32 should be fine, or EXFAT would work as well.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 27, 2020, at 13:47, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>⁩> wrote:
> 
> WHat proparties you mean?
> 
>> On Mar 27, 2020, at 6:31 AM, PRAMIT BHARGAVA > <mailto:pramit.vis...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Format your USB drive and don't use quite format for this. Also go to the 
>> properties and adjust it for best performance, rather than quick removal.
>> And hopefully this will fix the problem.
>> 
>> Pramit
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:05 PM Ramy Moustafa > <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi all:
>> Hope everyone is safe.
>> This is the 3rd Flash drive that i bought, I got Kingstone, Transend, and 
>> Toshiba, and the same result.
>> I did not format this Drive, i left it with the Factory Format which is 
>> Fat32, Am using it to move data between Mac and windows, the problem that Is 
>> happening on the 3 drives is that the drive is getting slower and slower 
>> with no reason, this is not just on my mac, i tried it on my Friend’s mac, 
>> and the same result, so, what can cause this? and is there away to avoid 
>> this?
>> I amde a scan for errors and the 3 drives are ok, no virus,Need technical 
>> Advice.
>> Thanks in advance 
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Re: the 3rd USB flash drive with the same issue

[Dave Carlson]

Ramey,
On a Mac, go to applications/utilities and open the disk utility app. There you 
can wipe your drive.

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Re: the 3rd USB flash drive with the same issue

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

When I used the word "wipe", yes, that is the same as erase.  So, go into Disk 
Utility on the Mac, locate and  select the USB stick, then erase it.  FAT32 
should be fine, or EXFAT would work as well.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 27, 2020, at 13:47, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
<⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com⁩> wrote:

WHat proparties you mean?

> On Mar 27, 2020, at 6:31 AM, PRAMIT BHARGAVA  <mailto:pramit.vis...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Format your USB drive and don't use quite format for this. Also go to the 
> properties and adjust it for best performance, rather than quick removal.
> And hopefully this will fix the problem.
> 
> Pramit
> 
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:05 PM Ramy Moustafa  <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi all:
> Hope everyone is safe.
> This is the 3rd Flash drive that i bought, I got Kingstone, Transend, and 
> Toshiba, and the same result.
> I did not format this Drive, i left it with the Factory Format which is 
> Fat32, Am using it to move data between Mac and windows, the problem that Is 
> happening on the 3 drives is that the drive is getting slower and slower with 
> no reason, this is not just on my mac, i tried it on my Friend’s mac, and the 
> same result, so, what can cause this? and is there away to avoid this?
> I amde a scan for errors and the 3 drives are ok, no virus,Need technical 
> Advice.
> Thanks in advance 
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Re: the 3rd USB flash drive with the same issue

[Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر]

WHat proparties you mean?

> On Mar 27, 2020, at 6:31 AM, PRAMIT BHARGAVA  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Format your USB drive and don't use quite format for this. Also go to the 
> properties and adjust it for best performance, rather than quick removal.
> And hopefully this will fix the problem.
> 
> Pramit
> 
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:05 PM Ramy Moustafa  <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi all:
> Hope everyone is safe.
> This is the 3rd Flash drive that i bought, I got Kingstone, Transend, and 
> Toshiba, and the same result.
> I did not format this Drive, i left it with the Factory Format which is 
> Fat32, Am using it to move data between Mac and windows, the problem that Is 
> happening on the 3 drives is that the drive is getting slower and slower with 
> no reason, this is not just on my mac, i tried it on my Friend’s mac, and the 
> same result, so, what can cause this? and is there away to avoid this?
> I amde a scan for errors and the 3 drives are ok, no virus,Need technical 
> Advice.
> Thanks in advance 
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Re: the 3rd USB flash drive with the same issue

[PRAMIT BHARGAVA]

Hi,

Format your USB drive and don't use quite format for this. Also go to the
properties and adjust it for best performance, rather than quick removal.
And hopefully this will fix the problem.

Pramit

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:05 PM Ramy Moustafa 
wrote:

> Hi all:
> Hope everyone is safe.
> This is the 3rd Flash drive that i bought, I got Kingstone, Transend, and
> Toshiba, and the same result.
> I did not format this Drive, i left it with the Factory Format which is
> Fat32, Am using it to move data between Mac and windows, the problem that
> Is happening on the 3 drives is that the drive is getting slower and slower
> with no reason, this is not just on my mac, i tried it on my Friend’s mac,
> and the same result, so, what can cause this? and is there away to avoid
> this?
> I amde a scan for errors and the 3 drives are ok, no virus,Need technical
> Advice.
> Thanks in advance
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Re: the 3rd USB flash drive with the same issue

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi:
Yes i am using the drive often.
U mean formatting or what?


> On Mar 26, 2020, at 6:14 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> How often are you replacing files on this device?  If often, and you are 
> adding, deleting, emptying the Trash lots, then this often happens.  I 
> suggest you use Disk Utility to wipe the drive again which should get rid of 
> directory structure issues that may be slowing things down.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 26, 2020, at 09:30, Ramy Moustafa  <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi all:
> Hope everyone is safe.
> This is the 3rd Flash drive that i bought, I got Kingstone, Transend, and 
> Toshiba, and the same result.
> I did not format this Drive, i left it with the Factory Format which is 
> Fat32, Am using it to move data between Mac and windows, the problem that Is 
> happening on the 3 drives is that the drive is getting slower and slower with 
> no reason, this is not just on my mac, i tried it on my Friend’s mac, and the 
> same result, so, what can cause this? and is there away to avoid this?
> I amde a scan for errors and the 3 drives are ok, no virus,Need technical 
> Advice.
> Thanks in advance 
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Re: the 3rd USB flash drive with the same issue

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

How often are you replacing files on this device?  If often, and you are 
adding, deleting, emptying the Trash lots, then this often happens.  I suggest 
you use Disk Utility to wipe the drive again which should get rid of directory 
structure issues that may be slowing things down.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 26, 2020, at 09:30, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hi all:
Hope everyone is safe.
This is the 3rd Flash drive that i bought, I got Kingstone, Transend, and 
Toshiba, and the same result.
I did not format this Drive, i left it with the Factory Format which is Fat32, 
Am using it to move data between Mac and windows, the problem that Is happening 
on the 3 drives is that the drive is getting slower and slower with no reason, 
this is not just on my mac, i tried it on my Friend’s mac, and the same result, 
so, what can cause this? and is there away to avoid this?
I amde a scan for errors and the 3 drives are ok, no virus,Need technical 
Advice.
Thanks in advance 

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the 3rd USB flash drive with the same issue

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi all:
Hope everyone is safe.
This is the 3rd Flash drive that i bought, I got Kingstone, Transend, and 
Toshiba, and the same result.
I did not format this Drive, i left it with the Factory Format which is Fat32, 
Am using it to move data between Mac and windows, the problem that Is happening 
on the 3 drives is that the drive is getting slower and slower with no reason, 
this is not just on my mac, i tried it on my Friend’s mac, and the same result, 
so, what can cause this? and is there away to avoid this?
I amde a scan for errors and the 3 drives are ok, no virus,Need technical 
Advice.
Thanks in advance 

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Re: 360 Mac Care? - uninstalling Flash Player

[Bradford Snyder]

Here you go:

HTH

Uninstall Flash Player | Mac OS
 <>These instructions are NOT applicable to Flash Player included with Google 
Chrome. Visit the Flash Player Help page 
<https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player.html> for instructions on enabling (or 
disabling) Flash Player in various browsers.

 <>
 <>Flash Player information

 <>If Flash Player is installed on your computer, the following box displays 
the version of Flash Player and your operating system. If Flash Player is not 
installed, an error message appears.

 <>Flash Player installation failed

 <>If your Flash Player installation was not successful, use the following 
solution to reinstall.

 <>Solution: Download and run the uninstaller

 <>
 <>
 <>
 <>1. Determine your Mac OS version 

 <>Click the Apple icon and choose About This Mac.

The Mac OS version appears in the About This Mac dialog.


 <>2. Run the uninstaller applicable to your Mac OS version

 <>Run the uninstaller on Mac OS X 10.4 and later, including macOS
Run the uninstaller on Mac OS X 10.1 to 10.3
Note:

Beginning with Flash Player 11.5, uninstalling the Flash Player resets the 
AutoUpdateDisable and SilentAutoUpdateEnable settings in mms.cfg to their 
default values:

AutoUpdateDisable=0
SilentAutoUpdateEnable=0
If you are running the Flash Player uninstaller as part of your deployment 
process, redeploy any custom changes to either AutoUpdateDisable or 
SilentAutoUpdateEnable.

 <>Run the uninstaller on Mac OS X 10.4 and later, including macOS

 <>In Safari, choose Window > Downloads.

If you are using Mac OS X 10.7 (Lion), click the Downloads icon displayed on 
the browser.

 <>In Mozilla, choose Tools > Downloads.

 <>To open the uninstaller, double-click it in the Downloads window.

 <>Note: If the Flash Player installer window does not appear, choose Go > 
Desktop in the Finder. Scroll down to the Devices section and click Uninstall 
Flash Player.

 <>To run the uninstaller, double-click the Uninstaller icon in the window. If 
you see a message asking if you want to open the uninstaller file, click Open.

 <>When the uninstaller starts, click Uninstall.
 <>Bookmark or print this page so that you can use the rest of these 
instructions after you close your browser.
 <>To close all browsers, either click the browser name in the Uninstaller 
dialog, or close each browser manually and then click Retry.

Note: Do not click Quit in the Uninstaller window. It stops the uninstallation 
process.

 <>After you close the browsers, the uninstaller continues automatically until 
the uninstallation is complete. When you see the message notifying you that the 
uninstallation succeeded, click Done.


 <>Delete the following directories:

/Library/Preferences/Macromedia/Flash\ Player
/Library/Caches/Adobe/Flash\ Player
 <>Verify that uninstallation is complete.
 <>Run the uninstaller on Mac OS X 10.1 to 10.3

 <>Choose Window > Downloads to view the downloaded uninstaller.

 <>Save the uninstaller file in a convenient location.

 <>To open the uninstaller, double-click it in the Downloads window. 

 <>To run the uninstaller, double-click the Uninstaller icon in the window. If 
requested, enter your computer user name and password and click OK.

 <>When the uninstaller starts, click Continue. 

 <> Bookmark or print this page so that you can use the rest of these 
instructions after you close your browser. Close all browsers and other 
applications that use Flash Player, including instant messaging applications, 
SWF files, and projectors (EXE files that play SWF files). Otherwise, the 
uninstaller cannot finish (even though it appears to finish).

 <>Once the uninstaller finishes, the window closes automatically.

 <>Verify that uninstallation is complete.

 <>
 <>3. Verify that uninstallation is complete

 <>You can verify that uninstallation is complete by following these steps:

 <>




On Jan 6, 2020, at 06:55, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

How can you get the flash player to go completely away?

Kristeen


On Jan 2, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

Just my opinion, but I would be Leary of anything that just “pops up” on my 
computer.  I would also advise that you stop using Flash Player because it is 
widely known to be a security risk, and no longer necessary on a Mac.

- Brad -


On Jan 2, 2020, at 14:44, CHUCK REICHEL mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi List,
This app popped up on my mac book air after updating flash player under Mojave.
360 Mac Care helps you Speed Up Your Mac and Make it Secure. It aims to provide 
users a great experience for an Optimized Mac and optimal use of resources.
Heres one of the things it listed;
360 Mac Care has found junk a

Re: Uninstalling Adobe Flash Player

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Worth a try for sure.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 4, 2019, at 05:23, Craig Werner  wrote:

Hello, Tim.

In reporting the problem to Apple Accessibility, I realize the problem
is more Adobe's than Apple's, but in case Apple can bring pressure on
Adobe, I thought it was worth voicing the concern.

Craig

On 11/3/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Actually, this inaccessibility is the result of Adobe's lack of commitment
> to this sort of thing.  Adobe has improved accessibility on quite a number
> of fronts, but still are lagging behind with many of their interfaces.  For
> example, the Creative Cloud app, which is relatively new still does not even
> come close to being accessible.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 3, 2019, at 13:54, Craig Werner  wrote:
> 
> Thank you, Tim.  I'll get sighted help.  I reported the installer to
> Apple Accessibility as likely inaccessible to VoiceOver.
> 
> Craig
> 
> On 11/3/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Many of Adobe's software titles continue to be inaccessible.  I believe
>> that
>> the Uninstaller is one of them.  Other than getting sighted assistance,
>> you're likely out of luck with the Adobe Uninstaller app.
>> 
>> Later.,,,.
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Jamf Certified Associate
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 13:13, Craig Werner  wrote:
>> 
>> Greetings, everyone.
>> 
>> I am attempting to uninstall Adobe Flash Player on a MacBook Air
>> running os 10.14.6.  I open the Utilities folder under Applications
>> and then open the Adobe Flash Player Uninstall Manager; but when I try
>> to install the necessary helper file, VoiceOver goes busy, and I am
>> unable to complete the uninstall process.  I could download Clean My
>> Mac and uninstall the software via that tool, but I'd rather not do
>> so.
>> 
>> Thank you for all help.
>> 
>> Craig
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Re: Uninstalling Adobe Flash Player

[Craig Werner]

Hello, Tim.

In reporting the problem to Apple Accessibility, I realize the problem
is more Adobe's than Apple's, but in case Apple can bring pressure on
Adobe, I thought it was worth voicing the concern.

Craig

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> Hi,
>
> Actually, this inaccessibility is the result of Adobe's lack of commitment
> to this sort of thing.  Adobe has improved accessibility on quite a number
> of fronts, but still are lagging behind with many of their interfaces.  For
> example, the Creative Cloud app, which is relatively new still does not even
> come close to being accessible.
>
> Later...
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Nov 3, 2019, at 13:54, Craig Werner  wrote:
>
> Thank you, Tim.  I'll get sighted help.  I reported the installer to
> Apple Accessibility as likely inaccessible to VoiceOver.
>
> Craig
>
> On 11/3/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Many of Adobe's software titles continue to be inaccessible.  I believe
>> that
>> the Uninstaller is one of them.  Other than getting sighted assistance,
>> you're likely out of luck with the Adobe Uninstaller app.
>>
>> Later.,,,.
>>
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Jamf Certified Associate
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 13:13, Craig Werner  wrote:
>>
>> Greetings, everyone.
>>
>> I am attempting to uninstall Adobe Flash Player on a MacBook Air
>> running os 10.14.6.  I open the Utilities folder under Applications
>> and then open the Adobe Flash Player Uninstall Manager; but when I try
>> to install the necessary helper file, VoiceOver goes busy, and I am
>> unable to complete the uninstall process.  I could download Clean My
>> Mac and uninstall the software via that tool, but I'd rather not do
>> so.
>>
>> Thank you for all help.
>>
>> Craig
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Re: Uninstalling Adobe Flash Player

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Actually, this inaccessibility is the result of Adobe's lack of commitment to 
this sort of thing.  Adobe has improved accessibility on quite a number of 
fronts, but still are lagging behind with many of their interfaces.  For 
example, the Creative Cloud app, which is relatively new still does not even 
come close to being accessible.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 3, 2019, at 13:54, Craig Werner  wrote:

Thank you, Tim.  I'll get sighted help.  I reported the installer to
Apple Accessibility as likely inaccessible to VoiceOver.

Craig

On 11/3/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Many of Adobe's software titles continue to be inaccessible.  I believe that
> the Uninstaller is one of them.  Other than getting sighted assistance,
> you're likely out of luck with the Adobe Uninstaller app.
> 
> Later.,,,.
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 2, 2019, at 13:13, Craig Werner  wrote:
> 
> Greetings, everyone.
> 
> I am attempting to uninstall Adobe Flash Player on a MacBook Air
> running os 10.14.6.  I open the Utilities folder under Applications
> and then open the Adobe Flash Player Uninstall Manager; but when I try
> to install the necessary helper file, VoiceOver goes busy, and I am
> unable to complete the uninstall process.  I could download Clean My
> Mac and uninstall the software via that tool, but I'd rather not do
> so.
> 
> Thank you for all help.
> 
> Craig
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Re: Uninstalling Adobe Flash Player

[Craig Werner]

Thank you, Tim.  I'll get sighted help.  I reported the installer to
Apple Accessibility as likely inaccessible to VoiceOver.

Craig

On 11/3/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Many of Adobe's software titles continue to be inaccessible.  I believe that
> the Uninstaller is one of them.  Other than getting sighted assistance,
> you're likely out of luck with the Adobe Uninstaller app.
>
> Later.,,,.
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Nov 2, 2019, at 13:13, Craig Werner  wrote:
>
> Greetings, everyone.
>
> I am attempting to uninstall Adobe Flash Player on a MacBook Air
> running os 10.14.6.  I open the Utilities folder under Applications
> and then open the Adobe Flash Player Uninstall Manager; but when I try
> to install the necessary helper file, VoiceOver goes busy, and I am
> unable to complete the uninstall process.  I could download Clean My
> Mac and uninstall the software via that tool, but I'd rather not do
> so.
>
> Thank you for all help.
>
> Craig
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Re: Uninstalling Adobe Flash Player

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Many of Adobe's software titles continue to be inaccessible.  I believe that 
the Uninstaller is one of them.  Other than getting sighted assistance, you're 
likely out of luck with the Adobe Uninstaller app.

Later.,,,.


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 2, 2019, at 13:13, Craig Werner  wrote:

Greetings, everyone.

I am attempting to uninstall Adobe Flash Player on a MacBook Air
running os 10.14.6.  I open the Utilities folder under Applications
and then open the Adobe Flash Player Uninstall Manager; but when I try
to install the necessary helper file, VoiceOver goes busy, and I am
unable to complete the uninstall process.  I could download Clean My
Mac and uninstall the software via that tool, but I'd rather not do
so.

Thank you for all help.

Craig

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Re: Uninstalling Adobe Flash Player

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Try activating window chooser menu and check whether there is a window asking 
you to enter your computer password to proceed.  That has sometimes happened to 
me in other situations.  I don’t seem to be able to proceed because I need to 
enter my computer password but Voiceover doesn’t report this.  Have a go in 
case this is true for you.

Andrew
> On 2 Nov 2019, at 19:13, Craig Werner  wrote:
> 
> Greetings, everyone.
> 
> I am attempting to uninstall Adobe Flash Player on a MacBook Air
> running os 10.14.6.  I open the Utilities folder under Applications
> and then open the Adobe Flash Player Uninstall Manager; but when I try
> to install the necessary helper file, VoiceOver goes busy, and I am
> unable to complete the uninstall process.  I could download Clean My
> Mac and uninstall the software via that tool, but I'd rather not do
> so.
> 
> Thank you for all help.
> 
> Craig
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Uninstalling Adobe Flash Player

[Craig Werner]

Greetings, everyone.

I am attempting to uninstall Adobe Flash Player on a MacBook Air
running os 10.14.6.  I open the Utilities folder under Applications
and then open the Adobe Flash Player Uninstall Manager; but when I try
to install the necessary helper file, VoiceOver goes busy, and I am
unable to complete the uninstall process.  I could download Clean My
Mac and uninstall the software via that tool, but I'd rather not do
so.

Thank you for all help.

Craig

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Re: Using 64 flash drive to make super duper back-up

[Ramy Moustafa]

ok, will try to do.
Thanks so much 


> On May 6, 2018, at 12:31 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   I actually now make redundant backups after a couple of mishaps. Unless 
> your drive is partitioned I would npt put both Time Machine and SuperDuoer on 
> it. I used to have separate smaller drives but it got too messy so got the 
> 4tb.
> 
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> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 5/5/2018 3:23 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> Hi ET:
>> thanks so much for this, i have only 1 hard 512 GB. i was using it as a time 
>> machine storage, do you recommend using it? My system is not so big, so just 
>> 128 GB is my system drive.
>>  and I need to use this Hard for time machine and super duper, can i?
>>> On May 6, 2018, at 12:18 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ramy,
>>>   I use a 4tb drive for my backups. I partitioned it into 4 so I can keep 
>>> the various backups separate. You do not want to share a drive/partition 
>>> with data and backups. I also eject the drive when all the backups are done.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>>> Many believe that we have been visited
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>>> 
>>> On 5/5/2018 3:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>>>> Hi Mark:
>>>> So, i have my 4 TB hard drive for my data, can i use it for those back-ups 
>>>> or it must be an empty drive?
>>>>> On May 5, 2018, at 8:16 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Ramy,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I strongly recommend against using a 64 GB USB flash drive to make a 
>>>>> Superduper backup.  The drive is simply too slow in order to be used to 
>>>>> boot your Mac.  It can be done, however, the boot up process would take 
>>>>> over 20 minutes or so.  Also, even after the OS was up and running, it 
>>>>> would take up to 10 minutes for anything to happen, such as opening an 
>>>>> application such as Mail.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Purchase a Thunderbolt or USB 3 128GB or higher, spinning drive for your 
>>>>> Superduper backups.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good luck,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2018 5:33 AM
>>>>> To: mac mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Using 64 flash drive to make super duper back-up
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all:
>>>>> I need to buy a flahs drive to use it to make a super Duper  backup for 
>>>>> my clean system.
>>>>> can i use a 64 USB flash drive?
>>>>> my system now is only 40 GB with my needs.
>>>>> thanks in advance
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Re: Using 64 flash drive to make super duper back-up

[E.T.]

   I actually now make redundant backups after a couple of mishaps. 
Unless your drive is partitioned I would npt put both Time Machine and 
SuperDuoer on it. I used to have separate smaller drives but it got too 
messy so got the 4tb.


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On 5/5/2018 3:23 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Hi ET:
thanks so much for this, i have only 1 hard 512 GB. i was using it as a time 
machine storage, do you recommend using it? My system is not so big, so just 
128 GB is my system drive.
  and I need to use this Hard for time machine and super duper, can i?


On May 6, 2018, at 12:18 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

Ramy,
   I use a 4tb drive for my backups. I partitioned it into 4 so I can keep the 
various backups separate. You do not want to share a drive/partition with data 
and backups. I also eject the drive when all the backups are done.

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On 5/5/2018 3:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Hi Mark:
So, i have my 4 TB hard drive for my data, can i use it for those back-ups or 
it must be an empty drive?

On May 5, 2018, at 8:16 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:

Hello Ramy,

I strongly recommend against using a 64 GB USB flash drive to make a Superduper 
backup.  The drive is simply too slow in order to be used to boot your Mac.  It 
can be done, however, the boot up process would take over 20 minutes or so.  
Also, even after the OS was up and running, it would take up to 10 minutes for 
anything to happen, such as opening an application such as Mail.

Purchase a Thunderbolt or USB 3 128GB or higher, spinning drive for your 
Superduper backups.

Good luck,

Mark

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On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2018 5:33 AM
To: mac mailing list
Subject: Using 64 flash drive to make super duper back-up

Hi all:
I need to buy a flahs drive to use it to make a super Duper  backup for my 
clean system.
can i use a 64 USB flash drive?
my system now is only 40 GB with my needs.
thanks in advance

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Re: Using 64 flash drive to make super duper back-up

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi ET:
thanks so much for this, i have only 1 hard 512 GB. i was using it as a time 
machine storage, do you recommend using it? My system is not so big, so just 
128 GB is my system drive.
 and I need to use this Hard for time machine and super duper, can i?

> On May 6, 2018, at 12:18 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Ramy,
>   I use a 4tb drive for my backups. I partitioned it into 4 so I can keep the 
> various backups separate. You do not want to share a drive/partition with 
> data and backups. I also eject the drive when all the backups are done.
> 
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> On 5/5/2018 3:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> Hi Mark:
>> So, i have my 4 TB hard drive for my data, can i use it for those back-ups 
>> or it must be an empty drive?
>>> On May 5, 2018, at 8:16 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Ramy,
>>> 
>>> I strongly recommend against using a 64 GB USB flash drive to make a 
>>> Superduper backup.  The drive is simply too slow in order to be used to 
>>> boot your Mac.  It can be done, however, the boot up process would take 
>>> over 20 minutes or so.  Also, even after the OS was up and running, it 
>>> would take up to 10 minutes for anything to happen, such as opening an 
>>> application such as Mail.
>>> 
>>> Purchase a Thunderbolt or USB 3 128GB or higher, spinning drive for your 
>>> Superduper backups.
>>> 
>>> Good luck,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2018 5:33 AM
>>> To: mac mailing list
>>> Subject: Using 64 flash drive to make super duper back-up
>>> 
>>> Hi all:
>>> I need to buy a flahs drive to use it to make a super Duper  backup for my 
>>> clean system.
>>> can i use a 64 USB flash drive?
>>> my system now is only 40 GB with my needs.
>>> thanks in advance
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Re: Using 64 flash drive to make super duper back-up

[E.T.]

Ramy,
   I use a 4tb drive for my backups. I partitioned it into 4 so I can 
keep the various backups separate. You do not want to share a 
drive/partition with data and backups. I also eject the drive when all 
the backups are done.


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On 5/5/2018 3:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Hi Mark:
So, i have my 4 TB hard drive for my data, can i use it for those back-ups or 
it must be an empty drive?



On May 5, 2018, at 8:16 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:

Hello Ramy,

I strongly recommend against using a 64 GB USB flash drive to make a Superduper 
backup.  The drive is simply too slow in order to be used to boot your Mac.  It 
can be done, however, the boot up process would take over 20 minutes or so.  
Also, even after the OS was up and running, it would take up to 10 minutes for 
anything to happen, such as opening an application such as Mail.

Purchase a Thunderbolt or USB 3 128GB or higher, spinning drive for your 
Superduper backups.

Good luck,

Mark

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Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2018 5:33 AM
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Subject: Using 64 flash drive to make super duper back-up

Hi all:
I need to buy a flahs drive to use it to make a super Duper  backup for my 
clean system.
can i use a 64 USB flash drive?
my system now is only 40 GB with my needs.
thanks in advance

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Re: Using 64 flash drive to make super duper back-up

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi Mark:
So, i have my 4 TB hard drive for my data, can i use it for those back-ups or 
it must be an empty drive?


> On May 5, 2018, at 8:16 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello Ramy,
> 
> I strongly recommend against using a 64 GB USB flash drive to make a 
> Superduper backup.  The drive is simply too slow in order to be used to boot 
> your Mac.  It can be done, however, the boot up process would take over 20 
> minutes or so.  Also, even after the OS was up and running, it would take up 
> to 10 minutes for anything to happen, such as opening an application such as 
> Mail.
> 
> Purchase a Thunderbolt or USB 3 128GB or higher, spinning drive for your 
> Superduper backups.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Mark
> 
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> Subject: Using 64 flash drive to make super duper back-up
> 
> Hi all:
> I need to buy a flahs drive to use it to make a super Duper  backup for my 
> clean system.
> can i use a 64 USB flash drive?
> my system now is only 40 GB with my needs.
> thanks in advance
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RE: Using 64 flash drive to make super duper back-up

[M. Taylor]

Hello Ramy,

I strongly recommend against using a 64 GB USB flash drive to make a Superduper 
backup.  The drive is simply too slow in order to be used to boot your Mac.  It 
can be done, however, the boot up process would take over 20 minutes or so.  
Also, even after the OS was up and running, it would take up to 10 minutes for 
anything to happen, such as opening an application such as Mail.

Purchase a Thunderbolt or USB 3 128GB or higher, spinning drive for your 
Superduper backups.

Good luck,

Mark

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Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2018 5:33 AM
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Subject: Using 64 flash drive to make super duper back-up

Hi all:
I need to buy a flahs drive to use it to make a super Duper  backup for my 
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can i use a 64 USB flash drive?
my system now is only 40 GB with my needs.
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Re: Using 64 flash drive to make super duper back-up

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi again:
related to my question,  must i use a free USB flash drive? or any flash drive 
that i can just take the clawn image?
am asking because i don’t understand if this will make a full image on my Flash 
drive which prevent me for using the flash drive with any other thing? or just 
1 file that i can copy to any other storage?
and if it will be 1 file, how i can use it if my system got down?


> On May 5, 2018, at 2:33 PM, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi all:
> I need to buy a flahs drive to use it to make a super Duper  backup for my 
> clean system.
> can i use a 64 USB flash drive?
> my system now is only 40 GB with my needs.
> thanks in advance
> 

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Using 64 flash drive to make super duper back-up

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi all:
I need to buy a flahs drive to use it to make a super Duper  backup for my 
clean system.
can i use a 64 USB flash drive?
my system now is only 40 GB with my needs.
thanks in advance

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Re: Try to flash iso file to usb stick.

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Huh? That's all I've ever done with iso files, dd'd them to some media.

Of course, what's really cool is to install directly from the iso and
avoid media entirely. Newer Macs can do this. See:

https://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/30/el-cap-boot-camp-no-usb/

Janina

Anders Holmberg writes:
> Hi!
> SOmeone on the blinux list mentioned that you could not dd an iso file.
> /A
> 
> > 6 feb. 2018 kl. 19:53 skrev Georgina Joyce <g...@gena-j.me.uk>:
> > 
> > Hello,,
> > 
> > When I have had that situation it is because the write did not work. But 
> > I’m guessing that you wrote the file to boot from, so have you tried 
> > booting from it?
> > 
> > I wondered why you didn’t use dd from the terminal?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Gena
> > 
> > Call: M0EBP
> > Loc: IO83PS
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On 6 Feb 2018, at 15:04, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se 
> >> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi!
> >> I want to flash an iso file to a usb stick.
> >> The iso contains vinux 5.1 and i found a page on how to do this.
> >> I can’t find this right now but it tels me to format the usb drive as fat 
> >> and with scheme guid.
> >> THen i should use a tool called Etcher which i have downloaded and its 
> >> half accessible so i can use it but its not as smooth as i hoped it would 
> >> be.
> >> But i had success writing the iso, however after that the mac complains 
> >> that it can’t read the usb stick.
> >> So i am told to eject ignore or format.
> >> What could be causing this problem?
> >> Can the Iso file maybe have been damaged?
> >> Thanks in advance?
> >> /A
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Re: Try to flash iso file to usb stick.

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello,

A quick search reveals many listings. Here’s one example:

http://osxdaily.com/2015/06/05/copy-iso-to-usb-drive-mac-os-x-command/

Gena

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> On 6 Feb 2018, at 19:40, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> SOmeone on the blinux list mentioned that you could not dd an iso file.
> /A
> 
>> 6 feb. 2018 kl. 19:53 skrev Georgina Joyce <g...@gena-j.me.uk 
>> <mailto:g...@gena-j.me.uk>>:
>> 
>> Hello,,
>> 
>> When I have had that situation it is because the write did not work. But I’m 
>> guessing that you wrote the file to boot from, so have you tried booting 
>> from it?
>> 
>> I wondered why you didn’t use dd from the terminal?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>> Call: M0EBP
>> Loc: IO83PS
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6 Feb 2018, at 15:04, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se 
>>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I want to flash an iso file to a usb stick.
>>> The iso contains vinux 5.1 and i found a page on how to do this.
>>> I can’t find this right now but it tels me to format the usb drive as fat 
>>> and with scheme guid.
>>> THen i should use a tool called Etcher which i have downloaded and its half 
>>> accessible so i can use it but its not as smooth as i hoped it would be.
>>> But i had success writing the iso, however after that the mac complains 
>>> that it can’t read the usb stick.
>>> So i am told to eject ignore or format.
>>> What could be causing this problem?
>>> Can the Iso file maybe have been damaged?
>>> Thanks in advance?
>>> /A
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Re: Try to flash iso file to usb stick.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
SOmeone on the blinux list mentioned that you could not dd an iso file.
/A

> 6 feb. 2018 kl. 19:53 skrev Georgina Joyce <g...@gena-j.me.uk>:
> 
> Hello,,
> 
> When I have had that situation it is because the write did not work. But I’m 
> guessing that you wrote the file to boot from, so have you tried booting from 
> it?
> 
> I wondered why you didn’t use dd from the terminal?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
> 
> Call: M0EBP
> Loc: IO83PS
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6 Feb 2018, at 15:04, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se 
>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I want to flash an iso file to a usb stick.
>> The iso contains vinux 5.1 and i found a page on how to do this.
>> I can’t find this right now but it tels me to format the usb drive as fat 
>> and with scheme guid.
>> THen i should use a tool called Etcher which i have downloaded and its half 
>> accessible so i can use it but its not as smooth as i hoped it would be.
>> But i had success writing the iso, however after that the mac complains that 
>> it can’t read the usb stick.
>> So i am told to eject ignore or format.
>> What could be causing this problem?
>> Can the Iso file maybe have been damaged?
>> Thanks in advance?
>> /A
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Re: Try to flash iso file to usb stick.

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello,,

When I have had that situation it is because the write did not work. But I’m 
guessing that you wrote the file to boot from, so have you tried booting from 
it?

I wondered why you didn’t use dd from the terminal?

Regards,

Gena

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Loc: IO83PS



> On 6 Feb 2018, at 15:04, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I want to flash an iso file to a usb stick.
> The iso contains vinux 5.1 and i found a page on how to do this.
> I can’t find this right now but it tels me to format the usb drive as fat and 
> with scheme guid.
> THen i should use a tool called Etcher which i have downloaded and its half 
> accessible so i can use it but its not as smooth as i hoped it would be.
> But i had success writing the iso, however after that the mac complains that 
> it can’t read the usb stick.
> So i am told to eject ignore or format.
> What could be causing this problem?
> Can the Iso file maybe have been damaged?
> Thanks in advance?
> /A
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Try to flash iso file to usb stick.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I want to flash an iso file to a usb stick.
The iso contains vinux 5.1 and i found a page on how to do this.
I can’t find this right now but it tels me to format the usb drive as fat and 
with scheme guid.
THen i should use a tool called Etcher which i have downloaded and its half 
accessible so i can use it but its not as smooth as i hoped it would be.
But i had success writing the iso, however after that the mac complains that it 
can’t read the usb stick.
So i am told to eject ignore or format.
What could be causing this problem?
Can the Iso file maybe have been damaged?
Thanks in advance?
/A

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RE: Flash player app

[Jennifer Parry]

Hi Simon
I had not thought to try VlLC. Will try it out and let you know.

Regards
Jennifer Parry

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On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Saturday, 18 November 2017 10:18 PM
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Subject: RE: Flash player app

I'm not sure but yeah as stated flash isn't working on mac computers these days,

 But does VLC let you play flash  videos?
I use vlc on both windows and mac pretty much for everything.
 But I can't say flash related videos is something I really look for .


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Adobe flash is not accessible on the mac, and it's unlikely that this will be 
improved since Flash is a dying breed. Best thing to do is contact the web site 
and ask them to switch to HTML 5 and move away from relying on flash.
Original message:
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> Does anyone know of an accessible media player that will play flash. 
> Trying to watch a tv catch up service program, and it keeps telling me 
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> Thanks for your help.

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Re: Flash player app

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Flash works fine on the Mac.  The limitation is mostly for VO users due to the 
poor accessibility of the product.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 18, 2017, at 04:17, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

I'm not sure but yeah as stated flash isn't working on mac computers these days,

But does VLC let you play flash  videos?
I use vlc on both windows and mac pretty much for everything.
But I can't say flash related videos is something I really look for .


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RE: Flash player app

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I'm not sure but yeah as stated flash isn't working on mac computers these days,

 But does VLC let you play flash  videos?
I use vlc on both windows and mac pretty much for everything.
 But I can't say flash related videos is something I really look for .


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Subject: Re: Flash player app

Adobe flash is not accessible on the mac, and it's unlikely that this will be 
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and ask them to switch to HTML 5 and move away from relying on flash.
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> Does anyone know of an accessible media player that will play flash. 
> Trying to watch a tv catch up service program, and it keeps telling me 
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> Thanks for your help.

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Re: Flash player app

[jennifer parry]

Hi Mike
Thank you for this, I will contact them.

regards
Jennifer Parry


> On 18 Nov 2017, at 9:42 am, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
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> Adobe flash is not accessible on the mac, and it's unlikely that this will be 
> improved since Flash is a dying breed. Best thing to do is contact the web 
> site and ask them to switch to HTML 5 and move away from relying on flash.
> Original message:
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>> Does anyone know of an accessible media player that will play flash. Trying 
>> to watch a tv catch up service program, and it keeps telling me that I need 
>> a flash player plugin to play the video file.
>> Thanks for your help.
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Re: Flash player app

[Mike Arrigo]

Adobe flash is not accessible on the mac, and it's unlikely that this 
will be improved since Flash is a dying breed. Best thing to do is 
contact the web site and ask them to switch to HTML 5 and move away 
from relying on flash.

Original message:

Hello all
Does anyone know of an accessible media player that will play flash. 
Trying to watch a tv catch up service program, and it keeps telling me 
that I need a flash player plugin to play the video file.

Thanks for your help.



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Flash player app

[jennifer parry]

Hello allDoes anyone know of an accessible media player that will play flash. Trying to watch a tv catch up service program, and it keeps telling me that I need a flash player plugin to play the video file.Thanks for your help.regardsJennifer Parry



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Re: flash messages on braille display

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Hi Florian,
In braille settings in VO utility, there is a checkbox for alert messages. I 
have also turned off the status cell, style cell and extended style cell to 
save room on my display.

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> Hi,,
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> Is it possible to tell VoiceOver to not show alert messages on the braille 
> display at all? If not, is it at least possible to not show the word ' space' 
>  when it thinks it should? It's very distracting and I really want it gone, 
> post-haste :P
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flash messages on braille display

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Hi,,

Is it possible to tell VoiceOver to not show alert messages on the braille 
display at all? If not, is it at least possible to not show the word ' 
space'  when it thinks it should? It's very distracting and I really want 
it gone, post-haste :P

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Re: Erasing everything from a USB flash drive

[Bill Gallik]

Thank you for your kind words, but in all honesty I cannot claim any credit for 
the incredibly well thought UNIX operating system.  The people that designed 
and implemented uNIX are far more intelligent than I and it goes without saying 
their combined intellects are truly remarkable.  Not only that, but Kernigan 
and Ritchie are (maybe were by this time) very down to earth types.  I was 
truly to have been able to work at Bell Labs and I experienced some 
terrifically satisfying projects.

Again, thank you! 


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I am sure I have always thought of Christmas time, when it has come round -- 
apart from the veneration due to its sacred name and origin, if anything 
belonging to it can be apart from that -- as a good time; a kind, forgiving, 
charitable, pleasant time: the only time I know of, in the long calendar of the 
year, when men and women seem by one consent to open their shut-up hearts 
freely, and to think of people below them as if they really were 
fellow-passengers to the grave, and not another race of creatures bound on 
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Re: Erasing everything from a USB flash drive

[Eric Oyen]

btw, I know of a few folks that retired from bell labs. One holds some 28 
patents for modification of the old mechanical telco switches to handle digital 
data. He lives just up the road in peoria az. He is the one that taught me a 
few tricks with linux. :)

-eric

On Dec 9, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

> I’m such a fan of the Unix environments.  You all did good work at Bell labs. 
>  Consider how long Unix has held up as the standard now.  It’s as important 
> today as ever and I don’t see a time when it won’t be.  Well done!
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Eric,
>> 
>> I want to thank you for putting that DD commandline out there, I worked for 
>> many years at AT Bell laboratories were all development work was done on 
>> UNIX systems and I completely forgotten about the DD command. Nice to have a 
>> refresher.
>> 
>> Paul,
>> 
>> Eric is making a very sound suggestion here, the IF=/dev/zero parameter in 
>> the suggested command line is a UNIX standard for writing null data to the 
>> output file (OF=).
>> 
>> And Paul, if you have no useful vision at all I suggest you read this 
>> message character by character so that you will realize that the command 
>> line options in Eric's message are actually symbols rather than spelled out 
>> words.
>> 
>> - Sent from Bill's iPhone 6 (iOS 10.0.2)
>> 
>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>>> well, you could always use dd. The command I would use is: dd if=/dev/zero 
>>> of=/dev/ and then let it run. it might take a while 
>>> to erase, but there will not even be partition information on there 
>>> afterward. after that, you can use disk utility to repartition and format 
>>> that usb device.
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 3:41 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote:
>>> 
 Hello, 
 Further to my earlier post about erasing a folder without going via 
 trash…..
 
 I I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac. 
 I have a 256 GB memory stick with I have used as a time machine backup 
 disk with encryption. I have also used it as the target disk for a 
 SuperDuper! backup of my iMac. 
 The experience was not entirely satisfactory as 256 GB is not enough for 
 more than a couple of time machine backups and a SuperDuper! backup. Also 
 both time machine and SuperDuper! backups were very slow, much slower than 
 a USB attached external hard disk drive. 
 
 So I now want to empty the 256 GB memory stick and reuse it for other 
 purposes. I first tried using disk utility to erase the disk but that did 
 not work as it said I did not have the authority to do the erase. 
 I then tried erasing each folder with Command+Ottion+Delete. That took a 
 long time and also did not work. 
 
 I note the posts about using terminal commands. I am not familiar with 
 that so am rather nervous about using it. I am also wondering about the 
 effect of my having originally used the memory stick for an encrypted time 
 machine backup with the password saved in the keychain. How do I mark the 
 memory stick as not encrypted?
 
 In summary I want to restore the memory stick to its original empty 
 unencrypted state. What do you recommend? 
 
 Many thanks. 
 
 Paul Hopewell 
 
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Re: Erasing everything from a USB flash drive

[Eric Oyen]

heh. this comes from being a full time linux user as well. :)
I have a windows laptop here, but I use it mostly for programming radios. I 
much prefer the mac for web browsing, email and media playing. btw, most of the 
linux/unix tools are available via console on the mac.

-eric

On Dec 9, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:

> Hi Eric,
> 
> I want to thank you for putting that DD commandline out there, I worked for 
> many years at AT Bell laboratories were all development work was done on 
> UNIX systems and I completely forgotten about the DD command. Nice to have a 
> refresher.
> 
> Paul,
> 
> Eric is making a very sound suggestion here, the IF=/dev/zero parameter in 
> the suggested command line is a UNIX standard for writing null data to the 
> output file (OF=).
> 
> And Paul, if you have no useful vision at all I suggest you read this message 
> character by character so that you will realize that the command line options 
> in Eric's message are actually symbols rather than spelled out words.
> 
> - Sent from Bill's iPhone 6 (iOS 10.0.2)
> 
> On Dec 9, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
>> well, you could always use dd. The command I would use is: dd if=/dev/zero 
>> of=/dev/ and then let it run. it might take a while to 
>> erase, but there will not even be partition information on there afterward. 
>> after that, you can use disk utility to repartition and format that usb 
>> device.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 3:41 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello, 
>>> Further to my earlier post about erasing a folder without going via trash…..
>>> 
>>> I I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac. 
>>> I have a 256 GB memory stick with I have used as a time machine backup disk 
>>> with encryption. I have also used it as the target disk for a SuperDuper! 
>>> backup of my iMac. 
>>> The experience was not entirely satisfactory as 256 GB is not enough for 
>>> more than a couple of time machine backups and a SuperDuper! backup. Also 
>>> both time machine and SuperDuper! backups were very slow, much slower than 
>>> a USB attached external hard disk drive. 
>>> 
>>> So I now want to empty the 256 GB memory stick and reuse it for other 
>>> purposes. I first tried using disk utility to erase the disk but that did 
>>> not work as it said I did not have the authority to do the erase. 
>>> I then tried erasing each folder with Command+Ottion+Delete. That took a 
>>> long time and also did not work. 
>>> 
>>> I note the posts about using terminal commands. I am not familiar with that 
>>> so am rather nervous about using it. I am also wondering about the effect 
>>> of my having originally used the memory stick for an encrypted time machine 
>>> backup with the password saved in the keychain. How do I mark the memory 
>>> stick as not encrypted?
>>> 
>>> In summary I want to restore the memory stick to its original empty 
>>> unencrypted state. What do you recommend? 
>>> 
>>> Many thanks. 
>>> 
>>> Paul Hopewell 
>>> 
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Re: Erasing everything from a USB flash drive

[Scott Granados]

I’m such a fan of the Unix environments.  You all did good work at Bell labs.  
Consider how long Unix has held up as the standard now.  It’s as important 
today as ever and I don’t see a time when it won’t be.  Well done!

> On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> I want to thank you for putting that DD commandline out there, I worked for 
> many years at AT Bell laboratories were all development work was done on 
> UNIX systems and I completely forgotten about the DD command. Nice to have a 
> refresher.
> 
> Paul,
> 
> Eric is making a very sound suggestion here, the IF=/dev/zero parameter in 
> the suggested command line is a UNIX standard for writing null data to the 
> output file (OF=).
> 
> And Paul, if you have no useful vision at all I suggest you read this message 
> character by character so that you will realize that the command line options 
> in Eric's message are actually symbols rather than spelled out words.
> 
> - Sent from Bill's iPhone 6 (iOS 10.0.2)
> 
> On Dec 9, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Eric Oyen  > wrote:
> 
>> well, you could always use dd. The command I would use is: dd if=/dev/zero 
>> of=/dev/ and then let it run. it might take a while to 
>> erase, but there will not even be partition information on there afterward. 
>> after that, you can use disk utility to repartition and format that usb 
>> device.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 3:41 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello, 
>>> Further to my earlier post about erasing a folder without going via trash…..
>>> 
>>> I I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac. 
>>> I have a 256 GB memory stick with I have used as a time machine backup disk 
>>> with encryption. I have also used it as the target disk for a SuperDuper! 
>>> backup of my iMac. 
>>> The experience was not entirely satisfactory as 256 GB is not enough for 
>>> more than a couple of time machine backups and a SuperDuper! backup. Also 
>>> both time machine and SuperDuper! backups were very slow, much slower than 
>>> a USB attached external hard disk drive. 
>>> 
>>> So I now want to empty the 256 GB memory stick and reuse it for other 
>>> purposes. I first tried using disk utility to erase the disk but that did 
>>> not work as it said I did not have the authority to do the erase. 
>>> I then tried erasing each folder with Command+Ottion+Delete. That took a 
>>> long time and also did not work. 
>>> 
>>> I note the posts about using terminal commands. I am not familiar with that 
>>> so am rather nervous about using it. I am also wondering about the effect 
>>> of my having originally used the memory stick for an encrypted time machine 
>>> backup with the password saved in the keychain. How do I mark the memory 
>>> stick as not encrypted?
>>> 
>>> In summary I want to restore the memory stick to its original empty 
>>> unencrypted state. What do you recommend? 
>>> 
>>> Many thanks. 
>>> 
>>> Paul Hopewell 
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Re: Erasing everything from a USB flash drive

[Bill Gallik]

Hi Eric,

I want to thank you for putting that DD commandline out there, I worked for 
many years at AT Bell laboratories were all development work was done on UNIX 
systems and I completely forgotten about the DD command. Nice to have a 
refresher.

Paul,

Eric is making a very sound suggestion here, the IF=/dev/zero parameter in the 
suggested command line is a UNIX standard for writing null data to the output 
file (OF=).

And Paul, if you have no useful vision at all I suggest you read this message 
character by character so that you will realize that the command line options 
in Eric's message are actually symbols rather than spelled out words.

- Sent from Bill's iPhone 6 (iOS 10.0.2)

> On Dec 9, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> well, you could always use dd. The command I would use is: dd if=/dev/zero 
> of=/dev/ and then let it run. it might take a while to 
> erase, but there will not even be partition information on there afterward. 
> after that, you can use disk utility to repartition and format that usb 
> device.
> 
> -eric
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 3:41 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, 
>> Further to my earlier post about erasing a folder without going via trash…..
>> 
>> I I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac. 
>> I have a 256 GB memory stick with I have used as a time machine backup disk 
>> with encryption. I have also used it as the target disk for a SuperDuper! 
>> backup of my iMac. 
>> The experience was not entirely satisfactory as 256 GB is not enough for 
>> more than a couple of time machine backups and a SuperDuper! backup. Also 
>> both time machine and SuperDuper! backups were very slow, much slower than a 
>> USB attached external hard disk drive. 
>> 
>> So I now want to empty the 256 GB memory stick and reuse it for other 
>> purposes. I first tried using disk utility to erase the disk but that did 
>> not work as it said I did not have the authority to do the erase. 
>> I then tried erasing each folder with Command+Ottion+Delete. That took a 
>> long time and also did not work. 
>> 
>> I note the posts about using terminal commands. I am not familiar with that 
>> so am rather nervous about using it. I am also wondering about the effect of 
>> my having originally used the memory stick for an encrypted time machine 
>> backup with the password saved in the keychain. How do I mark the memory 
>> stick as not encrypted?
>> 
>> In summary I want to restore the memory stick to its original empty 
>> unencrypted state. What do you recommend? 
>> 
>> Many thanks. 
>> 
>> Paul Hopewell 
>> 
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Re: Erasing everything from a USB flash drive

[Eric Oyen]

well, you could always use dd. The command I would use is: dd if=/dev/zero 
of=/dev/ and then let it run. it might take a while to 
erase, but there will not even be partition information on there afterward. 
after that, you can use disk utility to repartition and format that usb device.

-eric

On Dec 9, 2016, at 3:41 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote:

> Hello, 
> Further to my earlier post about erasing a folder without going via trash…..
> 
> I I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac. 
> I have a 256 GB memory stick with I have used as a time machine backup disk 
> with encryption. I have also used it as the target disk for a SuperDuper! 
> backup of my iMac. 
> The experience was not entirely satisfactory as 256 GB is not enough for more 
> than a couple of time machine backups and a SuperDuper! backup. Also both 
> time machine and SuperDuper! backups were very slow, much slower than a USB 
> attached external hard disk drive. 
> 
> So I now want to empty the 256 GB memory stick and reuse it for other 
> purposes. I first tried using disk utility to erase the disk but that did not 
> work as it said I did not have the authority to do the erase. 
> I then tried erasing each folder with Command+Ottion+Delete. That took a long 
> time and also did not work. 
> 
> I note the posts about using terminal commands. I am not familiar with that 
> so am rather nervous about using it. I am also wondering about the effect of 
> my having originally used the memory stick for an encrypted time machine 
> backup with the password saved in the keychain. How do I mark the memory 
> stick as not encrypted?
> 
> In summary I want to restore the memory stick to its original empty 
> unencrypted state. What do you recommend? 
> 
> Many thanks. 
> 
> Paul Hopewell 
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Re: Erasing everything from a USB flash drive

[Bill Gallik]

Paul,

The encryption issue can be addressed by reformatting the drive with the 
appropriate selection in Disk Utility.  I believe the key to resolving your 
problem here is to correct the situation that prevents you from using Disk 
Utility on this drive, but there’s a number of possibilities potentially 
contributing to this. It’s typically quite effective to start at the least 
complex culprit and work your way through progressively more complicated 
circumstances.

Thus, the first question to be asked; is there a “write protect” feature on 
your memory stick that is in play?


Bill & Leader Dog Holland
- "That I have no sight, does not mean I have no vision."
- Bill Gallik, Northern Wisconsin Curmudgeon, 1952-20?? (I am NOT delusional)??

> On Dec 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
> 
> Hello, 
> Further to my earlier post about erasing a folder without going via trash…..
> 
> I I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac. 
> I have a 256 GB memory stick with I have used as a time machine backup disk 
> with encryption. I have also used it as the target disk for a SuperDuper! 
> backup of my iMac. 
> The experience was not entirely satisfactory as 256 GB is not enough for more 
> than a couple of time machine backups and a SuperDuper! backup. Also both 
> time machine and SuperDuper! backups were very slow, much slower than a USB 
> attached external hard disk drive. 
> 
> So I now want to empty the 256 GB memory stick and reuse it for other 
> purposes. I first tried using disk utility to erase the disk but that did not 
> work as it said I did not have the authority to do the erase. 
> I then tried erasing each folder with Command+Option+Delete. That took a long 
> time and also did not work. 
> 
> I note the posts about using terminal commands. I am not familiar with that 
> so am rather nervous about using it. I am also wondering about the effect of 
> my having originally used the memory stick for an encrypted time machine 
> backup with the password saved in the keychain. How do I mark the memory 
> stick as not encrypted?
> 
> In summary I want to restore the memory stick to its original empty 
> unencrypted state. What do you recommend? 
> 
> Many thanks. 
> 
> Paul Hopewell 
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Erasing everything from a USB flash drive

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello, 
Further to my earlier post about erasing a folder without going via trash…..

I I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac. 
I have a 256 GB memory stick with I have used as a time machine backup disk 
with encryption. I have also used it as the target disk for a SuperDuper! 
backup of my iMac. 
The experience was not entirely satisfactory as 256 GB is not enough for more 
than a couple of time machine backups and a SuperDuper! backup. Also both time 
machine and SuperDuper! backups were very slow, much slower than a USB attached 
external hard disk drive. 

So I now want to empty the 256 GB memory stick and reuse it for other purposes. 
I first tried using disk utility to erase the disk but that did not work as it 
said I did not have the authority to do the erase. 
I then tried erasing each folder with Command+Ottion+Delete. That took a long 
time and also did not work. 

I note the posts about using terminal commands. I am not familiar with that so 
am rather nervous about using it. I am also wondering about the effect of my 
having originally used the memory stick for an encrypted time machine backup 
with the password saved in the keychain. How do I mark the memory stick as not 
encrypted?

In summary I want to restore the memory stick to its original empty unencrypted 
state. What do you recommend? 

Many thanks. 

Paul Hopewell 

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Re: Installing flash on the mac

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Yes,  just use tab to navigate around the installer, and space to 
check/activate buttons.  VO is not needed nor particularly responsive in this 
installer.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 5, 2016, at 07:05, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com> wrote:

I use tab in the window and press the spacebar only to check the checkbox.
> On 5 Dec 2016, at 12:54, aliFaisal <faisal.a...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> I am running the latest build of sierra, and yes I tried routing VO to the 
> mouse. When I do that, it brings up the apple menu for some reason.
>   
>> On Dec 5, 2016, at 7:51 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm, let's see here. It's been a while since I initially installed Flash. I 
>> know the updater is accessible, I mean, yeah, you gotta tab. VOing around 
>> the screen won't cut it for some weird reason, but you're trying to install 
>> from scratch... Hmm. Let me think...
>> 
>> How about this: Have you tried maybe tabbing to that checkbox, routing the 
>> mouse with VO+Command+F5, then doing a VO+Shift+Space to click?
>> 
>> What version are you running of OSX? I'd not think that would matter, 
>> honestly, but, just in case it does...
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "aliFaisal" <faisal.a...@icloud.com>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 7:37 AM
>> Subject: Installing flash on the mac
>> 
>> 
>> I am trying to install flash on my mac. However in the installation window, 
>> I am unable to check the box for accepting the terms of service thereby not 
>> being able to complete the installation. How does one go about selecting the 
>> check box?
>> Note, I can only get to it by tabbing. When I tried swiping on the track 
>> pad, nothing would happen. Likewise for VO left and right arrow. when I 
>> tried to press space or return on the checkbox, nothing would happen. for 
>> some reason, voiceover focus isn’t switching to it from what I can tell.
>> Thanks
>> 
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Re: Installing flash on the mac

[Andrew Lamanche]

I use tab in the window and press the spacebar only to check the checkbox.
> On 5 Dec 2016, at 12:54, aliFaisal <faisal.a...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> I am running the latest build of sierra, and yes I tried routing VO to the 
> mouse. When I do that, it brings up the apple menu for some reason.
>   
>> On Dec 5, 2016, at 7:51 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm, let's see here. It's been a while since I initially installed Flash. I 
>> know the updater is accessible, I mean, yeah, you gotta tab. VOing around 
>> the screen won't cut it for some weird reason, but you're trying to install 
>> from scratch... Hmm. Let me think...
>> 
>> How about this: Have you tried maybe tabbing to that checkbox, routing the 
>> mouse with VO+Command+F5, then doing a VO+Shift+Space to click?
>> 
>> What version are you running of OSX? I'd not think that would matter, 
>> honestly, but, just in case it does...
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "aliFaisal" <faisal.a...@icloud.com>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 7:37 AM
>> Subject: Installing flash on the mac
>> 
>> 
>> I am trying to install flash on my mac. However in the installation window, 
>> I am unable to check the box for accepting the terms of service thereby not 
>> being able to complete the installation. How does one go about selecting the 
>> check box?
>> Note, I can only get to it by tabbing. When I tried swiping on the track 
>> pad, nothing would happen. Likewise for VO left and right arrow. when I 
>> tried to press space or return on the checkbox, nothing would happen. for 
>> some reason, voiceover focus isn’t switching to it from what I can tell.
>> Thanks
>> 
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Re: Installing flash on the mac

[Christine Grassman]

I recently encountered this annoyance.. I shut off VoiceOver, and I  pressed 
spacebar in the place I believed the checkbox to be when VO was off. I turned 
VO back on, and it was checked. I tried this out of sheer frustration. Hope it 
works for you. 
Christine

> On Dec 5, 2016, at 7:54 AM, aliFaisal <faisal.a...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> I am running the latest build of sierra, and yes I tried routing VO to the 
> mouse. When I do that, it brings up the apple menu for some reason.
>   
>> On Dec 5, 2016, at 7:51 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm, let's see here. It's been a while since I initially installed Flash. I 
>> know the updater is accessible, I mean, yeah, you gotta tab. VOing around 
>> the screen won't cut it for some weird reason, but you're trying to install 
>> from scratch... Hmm. Let me think...
>> 
>> How about this: Have you tried maybe tabbing to that checkbox, routing the 
>> mouse with VO+Command+F5, then doing a VO+Shift+Space to click?
>> 
>> What version are you running of OSX? I'd not think that would matter, 
>> honestly, but, just in case it does...
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "aliFaisal" <faisal.a...@icloud.com>
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>> Subject: Installing flash on the mac
>> 
>> 
>> I am trying to install flash on my mac. However in the installation window, 
>> I am unable to check the box for accepting the terms of service thereby not 
>> being able to complete the installation. How does one go about selecting the 
>> check box?
>> Note, I can only get to it by tabbing. When I tried swiping on the track 
>> pad, nothing would happen. Likewise for VO left and right arrow. when I 
>> tried to press space or return on the checkbox, nothing would happen. for 
>> some reason, voiceover focus isn’t switching to it from what I can tell.
>> Thanks
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Re: Installing flash on the mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Gosh, you know... I've seen this behavior before, so you're not alone. I 
just don't know a sollution, lamentably. And, when I did! see it, it wasn't 
in the Flash installer.


It will be very interesting to see what you find out about this in the long 
run. :)


Chris.

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From: "aliFaisal" <faisal.a...@icloud.com>

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Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: Installing flash on the mac


I am running the latest build of sierra, and yes I tried routing VO to the 
mouse. When I do that, it brings up the apple menu for some reason.


On Dec 5, 2016, at 7:51 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hmm, let's see here. It's been a while since I initially installed Flash. 
I know the updater is accessible, I mean, yeah, you gotta tab. VOing 
around the screen won't cut it for some weird reason, but you're trying to 
install from scratch... Hmm. Let me think...


How about this: Have you tried maybe tabbing to that checkbox, routing the 
mouse with VO+Command+F5, then doing a VO+Shift+Space to click?


What version are you running of OSX? I'd not think that would matter, 
honestly, but, just in case it does...


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "aliFaisal" <faisal.a...@icloud.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 7:37 AM
Subject: Installing flash on the mac


I am trying to install flash on my mac. However in the installation 
window, I am unable to check the box for accepting the terms of service 
thereby not being able to complete the installation. How does one go about 
selecting the check box?
Note, I can only get to it by tabbing. When I tried swiping on the track 
pad, nothing would happen. Likewise for VO left and right arrow. when I 
tried to press space or return on the checkbox, nothing would happen. for 
some reason, voiceover focus isn’t switching to it from what I can tell.

Thanks

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Re: Installing flash on the mac

[aliFaisal]

I am running the latest build of sierra, and yes I tried routing VO to the 
mouse. When I do that, it brings up the apple menu for some reason.

> On Dec 5, 2016, at 7:51 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hmm, let's see here. It's been a while since I initially installed Flash. I 
> know the updater is accessible, I mean, yeah, you gotta tab. VOing around the 
> screen won't cut it for some weird reason, but you're trying to install from 
> scratch... Hmm. Let me think...
> 
> How about this: Have you tried maybe tabbing to that checkbox, routing the 
> mouse with VO+Command+F5, then doing a VO+Shift+Space to click?
> 
> What version are you running of OSX? I'd not think that would matter, 
> honestly, but, just in case it does...
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "aliFaisal" <faisal.a...@icloud.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 7:37 AM
> Subject: Installing flash on the mac
> 
> 
> I am trying to install flash on my mac. However in the installation window, I 
> am unable to check the box for accepting the terms of service thereby not 
> being able to complete the installation. How does one go about selecting the 
> check box?
> Note, I can only get to it by tabbing. When I tried swiping on the track pad, 
> nothing would happen. Likewise for VO left and right arrow. when I tried to 
> press space or return on the checkbox, nothing would happen. for some reason, 
> voiceover focus isn’t switching to it from what I can tell.
> Thanks
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Re: Installing flash on the mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Hmm, let's see here. It's been a while since I initially installed Flash. I 
know the updater is accessible, I mean, yeah, you gotta tab. VOing around 
the screen won't cut it for some weird reason, but you're trying to install 
from scratch... Hmm. Let me think...


How about this: Have you tried maybe tabbing to that checkbox, routing the 
mouse with VO+Command+F5, then doing a VO+Shift+Space to click?


What version are you running of OSX? I'd not think that would matter, 
honestly, but, just in case it does...


Chris.

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To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 7:37 AM
Subject: Installing flash on the mac


I am trying to install flash on my mac. However in the installation window, 
I am unable to check the box for accepting the terms of service thereby not 
being able to complete the installation. How does one go about selecting the 
check box?
Note, I can only get to it by tabbing. When I tried swiping on the track 
pad, nothing would happen. Likewise for VO left and right arrow. when I 
tried to press space or return on the checkbox, nothing would happen. for 
some reason, voiceover focus isn’t switching to it from what I can tell.

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Installing flash on the mac

[aliFaisal]

I am trying to install flash on my mac. However in the installation window, I 
am unable to check the box for accepting the terms of service thereby not being 
able to complete the installation. How does one go about selecting the check 
box?
Note, I can only get to it by tabbing. When I tried swiping on the track pad, 
nothing would happen. Likewise for VO left and right arrow. when I tried to 
press space or return on the checkbox, nothing would happen. for some reason, 
voiceover focus isn’t switching to it from what I can tell.
Thanks

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Re: Information request about using flash in web pages

[Mike Arrigo]

It's best not to use flash at all, instead use html 5, it provides all 
of the features of flash and is accessible.

Original message:
Flash does not talk to the Macintosh accessibility layer and from what 
it sounds like, it never will. If your institution is creating flash 
materials using the Captivate tool, they should also be able to create 
an HTML 5 version of the materials.



The only other thing to do is to use a Windows VM for flash content.



Best wishes,



Jonathan






On Nov 23, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Sauro Cesaretti 
<saurocesaretti1...@gmail.com <mailto:saurocesaretti1...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Hello,


I'd like to know if there is somebody in the list that can give me 
advices how to use flash contents in web pages.

In particular, my online university uses flash to supply contents.
I can see that there are flash contents but interacting with that, I 
cannot do anything.



Could you give me any advice?
Thank you very much in advance
regards,Sauro



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Re: Information request about using flash in web pages

[Sauro Cesaretti]

Hello,
Perfect, everything is clear now.
Thank you so much for the information.
Regards,Sauro



2016-11-23 16:43 GMT+01:00, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com>:
> Flash does not talk to the Macintosh accessibility layer and from what it
> sounds like, it never will. If your institution is creating flash materials
> using the Captivate tool, they should also be able to create an HTML 5
> version of the materials.
>
> The only other thing to do is to use a Windows VM for flash content.
>
>   Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Sauro Cesaretti
>> <saurocesaretti1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'd like to know if there is somebody in the list that can give me advices
>> how to use flash contents in web pages.
>> In particular, my online university uses flash to supply contents.
>> I can see that there are flash contents but  interacting with that, I
>> cannot do anything.
>>
>> Could you give me any advice?
>> Thank you very much in advance
>> regards,Sauro
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Re: Information request about using flash in web pages

[Jonathan Cohn]

Flash does not talk to the Macintosh accessibility layer and from what it 
sounds like, it never will. If your institution is creating flash materials 
using the Captivate tool, they should also be able to create an HTML 5 version 
of the materials.

The only other thing to do is to use a Windows VM for flash content.

Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On Nov 23, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Sauro Cesaretti <saurocesaretti1...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'd like to know if there is somebody in the list that can give me advices 
> how to use flash contents in web pages.
> In particular, my online university uses flash to supply contents.
> I can see that there are flash contents but  interacting with that, I cannot 
> do anything.
> 
> Could you give me any advice?
> Thank you very much in advance
> regards,Sauro
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Information request about using flash in web pages

[Sauro Cesaretti]

Hello,

I'd like to know if there is somebody in the list that can give me advices how 
to use flash contents in web pages.
In particular, my online university uses flash to supply contents.
I can see that there are flash contents but  interacting with that, I cannot do 
anything.

Could you give me any advice?
Thank you very much in advance
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Re: error message: Video requires Flash?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Anders,

Thanks for the offer, that was very kind.  I don't have Chrome installed, but I 
was able to get with the person who posted the video and got the info I was 
after.  

Thanks for the offer, though, I really appreciate it!
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 22, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Do you happen to have google chrome installed Donna?
> If not i can take a look at the video with chrome on my mac if you want to to 
> see if it works.
> /A
>> On 21 Oct 2016, at 15:34, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, can't view the video, but at least I know Flash is on.  thanks for the 
>> tip.  I had it on under el Cap, but didn't realize I needed to turn it on 
>> again after i upgraded to Sierra.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 8:21 AM, Jeffrey Shockley <jawswiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, what you have to do, is go to Safari preferences, going to security 
>>> I think it is, and find the settings for plug-ins. Then, you have to find a 
>>> checkbox for flash, and check it. Then, there will be a pop up, where you 
>>> have to choose to turn it on. Then, just close The window and refresh the 
>>> page, and you should be good to go.
>>> I hope this helps,
>>> Jeffrey
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 8:56 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm clicking on a video and getting that error message.  Flash is 
>>>> installed and updated.  Why would I be getting this message, and what do I 
>>>> do about it?
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Donna
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Re: error message: Video requires Flash?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Do you happen to have google chrome installed Donna?
If not i can take a look at the video with chrome on my mac if you want to to 
see if it works.
/A
> On 21 Oct 2016, at 15:34, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, can't view the video, but at least I know Flash is on.  thanks for the 
> tip.  I had it on under el Cap, but didn't realize I needed to turn it on 
> again after i upgraded to Sierra.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 8:21 AM, Jeffrey Shockley <jawswiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, what you have to do, is go to Safari preferences, going to security I 
>> think it is, and find the settings for plug-ins. Then, you have to find a 
>> checkbox for flash, and check it. Then, there will be a pop up, where you 
>> have to choose to turn it on. Then, just close The window and refresh the 
>> page, and you should be good to go.
>> I hope this helps,
>> Jeffrey
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 8:56 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm clicking on a video and getting that error message.  Flash is installed 
>>> and updated.  Why would I be getting this message, and what do I do about 
>>> it?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: error message: Video requires Flash?

[Donna Goodin]

thanks, Scott. :)
Donna
> On Oct 21, 2016, at 12:56 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ah very good, as long as it’s a trusted source.  Just wanted to rule that out.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 1:04 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It was a trusted source.  I'm thinking it may be related to the software she 
>> used to record it.  It was some software called Jing, that basically records 
>> the video from screen shots.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is it a well known video source?  It could be a misdirect and some sort of 
>>> malware trying to get you to install.  Not sure just a guess.
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 9:34 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, can't view the video, but at least I know Flash is on.  thanks for 
>>>> the tip.  I had it on under el Cap, but didn't realize I needed to turn it 
>>>> on again after i upgraded to Sierra.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 8:21 AM, Jeffrey Shockley <jawswiz...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello, what you have to do, is go to Safari preferences, going to 
>>>>> security I think it is, and find the settings for plug-ins. Then, you 
>>>>> have to find a checkbox for flash, and check it. Then, there will be a 
>>>>> pop up, where you have to choose to turn it on. Then, just close The 
>>>>> window and refresh the page, and you should be good to go.
>>>>> I hope this helps,
>>>>> Jeffrey
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 8:56 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm clicking on a video and getting that error message.  Flash is 
>>>>>> installed and updated.  Why would I be getting this message, and what do 
>>>>>> I do about it?
>>>>>> TIA,
>>>>>> Donna
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Re: error message: Video requires Flash?

[Scott Granados]

Ah very good, as long as it’s a trusted source.  Just wanted to rule that out.


> On Oct 21, 2016, at 1:04 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> It was a trusted source.  I'm thinking it may be related to the software she 
> used to record it.  It was some software called Jing, that basically records 
> the video from screen shots.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Is it a well known video source?  It could be a misdirect and some sort of 
>> malware trying to get you to install.  Not sure just a guess.
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 9:34 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, can't view the video, but at least I know Flash is on.  thanks for 
>>> the tip.  I had it on under el Cap, but didn't realize I needed to turn it 
>>> on again after i upgraded to Sierra.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 8:21 AM, Jeffrey Shockley <jawswiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello, what you have to do, is go to Safari preferences, going to security 
>>>> I think it is, and find the settings for plug-ins. Then, you have to find 
>>>> a checkbox for flash, and check it. Then, there will be a pop up, where 
>>>> you have to choose to turn it on. Then, just close The window and refresh 
>>>> the page, and you should be good to go.
>>>> I hope this helps,
>>>> Jeffrey
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 8:56 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm clicking on a video and getting that error message.  Flash is 
>>>>> installed and updated.  Why would I be getting this message, and what do 
>>>>> I do about it?
>>>>> TIA,
>>>>> Donna
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Re: error message: Video requires Flash?

[Donna Goodin]

It was a trusted source.  I'm thinking it may be related to the software she 
used to record it.  It was some software called Jing, that basically records 
the video from screen shots.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 21, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Is it a well known video source?  It could be a misdirect and some sort of 
> malware trying to get you to install.  Not sure just a guess.
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 9:34 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, can't view the video, but at least I know Flash is on.  thanks for the 
>> tip.  I had it on under el Cap, but didn't realize I needed to turn it on 
>> again after i upgraded to Sierra.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 8:21 AM, Jeffrey Shockley <jawswiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, what you have to do, is go to Safari preferences, going to security 
>>> I think it is, and find the settings for plug-ins. Then, you have to find a 
>>> checkbox for flash, and check it. Then, there will be a pop up, where you 
>>> have to choose to turn it on. Then, just close The window and refresh the 
>>> page, and you should be good to go.
>>> I hope this helps,
>>> Jeffrey
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 8:56 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm clicking on a video and getting that error message.  Flash is 
>>>> installed and updated.  Why would I be getting this message, and what do I 
>>>> do about it?
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Donna
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Re: error message: Video requires Flash?

[Scott Granados]

Is it a well known video source?  It could be a misdirect and some sort of 
malware trying to get you to install.  Not sure just a guess.

> On Oct 21, 2016, at 9:34 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, can't view the video, but at least I know Flash is on.  thanks for the 
> tip.  I had it on under el Cap, but didn't realize I needed to turn it on 
> again after i upgraded to Sierra.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 8:21 AM, Jeffrey Shockley <jawswiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, what you have to do, is go to Safari preferences, going to security I 
>> think it is, and find the settings for plug-ins. Then, you have to find a 
>> checkbox for flash, and check it. Then, there will be a pop up, where you 
>> have to choose to turn it on. Then, just close The window and refresh the 
>> page, and you should be good to go.
>> I hope this helps,
>> Jeffrey
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 8:56 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm clicking on a video and getting that error message.  Flash is installed 
>>> and updated.  Why would I be getting this message, and what do I do about 
>>> it?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: error message: Video requires Flash?

[Donna Goodin]

Well, can't view the video, but at least I know Flash is on.  thanks for the 
tip.  I had it on under el Cap, but didn't realize I needed to turn it on again 
after i upgraded to Sierra.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 21, 2016, at 8:21 AM, Jeffrey Shockley <jawswiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello, what you have to do, is go to Safari preferences, going to security I 
> think it is, and find the settings for plug-ins. Then, you have to find a 
> checkbox for flash, and check it. Then, there will be a pop up, where you 
> have to choose to turn it on. Then, just close The window and refresh the 
> page, and you should be good to go.
> I hope this helps,
> Jeffrey
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 8:56 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm clicking on a video and getting that error message.  Flash is installed 
>> and updated.  Why would I be getting this message, and what do I do about it?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: error message: Video requires Flash?

[Jeffrey Shockley]

Hello, what you have to do, is go to Safari preferences, going to security I 
think it is, and find the settings for plug-ins. Then, you have to find a 
checkbox for flash, and check it. Then, there will be a pop up, where you have 
to choose to turn it on. Then, just close The window and refresh the page, and 
you should be good to go.
I hope this helps,
Jeffrey

Sent from my iPhone

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> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm clicking on a video and getting that error message.  Flash is installed 
> and updated.  Why would I be getting this message, and what do I do about it?
> TIA,
> Donna
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error message: Video requires Flash?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

I'm clicking on a video and getting that error message.  Flash is installed and 
updated.  Why would I be getting this message, and what do I do about it?
TIA,
Donna

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RE: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

[Simon Fogarty]

Processor is an I7 1.7GHz with 8gb ram 

 Can't say it's a big issue.

 I run a couple of vms from it also but due to the vm product being vm player I 
only have one at a time running 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
Sent: Sunday, 2 October 2016 6:50 AM
To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

Running Windows on your MBA? Sure possible, must be uncomfortable though since 
the processor isn’t as powerful as the MBP.
> On 30 Sep 2016, at 21:26, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Very few issues with my Mac,
> 
> I had to learn to use the Mac for work reasons, then I purchased one 
> and now run bothmacOSX and windows on my MBA As for windows machines 
> with bloat ware,
> 
> Yes I felt the same way so with my last 3 widnows machines I always 
> wiped them and then reinstalled a fresh copy of windows without the garbage 
> That way it was a lot easier.
> 
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hannah
> Sent: Saturday, 1 October 2016 7:11 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance
> 
> HI Simon .
> 
> thankyou .
> 
> Well i hate this windows laptop .
> 
> just fed up of buying windows computers with bloat ware on them .
> 
> Do you get any issues with the mack at times?
> 
> On 30/09/2016 07:59, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Hannah
>> 
>> 
>> You’re a lucky lady,
>> 
>> I can't say I have issues with my MBA and VO I think you'll be even 
>> better off if it's a pro mac book as the processor will add to the 
>> performance also.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hannah
>> Sent: Friday, 30 September 2016 8:18 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance
>> 
>> HI tim as far as i know it's a brand new one .
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 29/09/2016 20:14, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> If you get this as a refurbished from the Apple Store, then it will come 
>>> with the latest MacOS pre-installed.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> No clean install is planned, just an update. Why is this? Asking as never 
>>> had trouble updating from one macOS to the other.
>>>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:30, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I may see how big an SSD I could put in this one, mid 2012. Last I looked, 
>>>> it was only 500 which is too small.
>>>> 
>>>> Going to do a clean install? Probably best. I will be doing that this 
>>>> weekend. Oh joy but if its raining, will be an ideal time.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>> On 9/29/2016 11:15 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>>>>> Thank you. And I now know what mac she will be getting. It’s an early 
>>>>> 2015 Macbook Pro with retina, 13 inches. No doubt it will come with 
>>>>> Yosemite preinstalled then. Not bad, but not worht a keeper either. So 
>>>>> will update to Sierra at a moment’s notice.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:11, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Good deal. And it will be interesting to hear your reviews of VO 
>>>>>> performance, as well as those busy this busy that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 9/29/2016 11:05 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello everyone.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So I’ve done it! Purchased my girlfriend and new list member Hannah's 
>>>>>>> first mac which will come with flash storage. Wondering what VoiceOver 
>>>>>>> would be like at startup compared to how it would be on a mac with ha

Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Well, no i don’t as i don’t have the need for it anymore as i can embose from 
my mac now.
Though i will try to run linux on it but it takes up less power.
/A
> On 1 Oct 2016, at 19:50, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Running Windows on your MBA? Sure possible, must be uncomfortable though 
> since the processor isn’t as powerful as the MBP.
>> On 30 Sep 2016, at 21:26, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Very few issues with my Mac,
>> 
>> I had to learn to use the Mac for work reasons, then I purchased one and now 
>> run bothmacOSX and windows on my MBA 
>> As for windows machines with bloat ware,
>> 
>> Yes I felt the same way so with my last 3 widnows machines I always wiped 
>> them and then reinstalled a fresh copy of windows without the garbage 
>> That way it was a lot easier.
>> 
>> 
>> Good luck.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hannah
>> Sent: Saturday, 1 October 2016 7:11 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance
>> 
>> HI Simon .
>> 
>> thankyou .
>> 
>> Well i hate this windows laptop .
>> 
>> just fed up of buying windows computers with bloat ware on them .
>> 
>> Do you get any issues with the mack at times?
>> 
>> On 30/09/2016 07:59, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Hannah
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You’re a lucky lady,
>>> 
>>> I can't say I have issues with my MBA and VO I think you'll be even 
>>> better off if it's a pro mac book as the processor will add to the 
>>> performance also.
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hannah
>>> Sent: Friday, 30 September 2016 8:18 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance
>>> 
>>> HI tim as far as i know it's a brand new one .
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 29/09/2016 20:14, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> If you get this as a refurbished from the Apple Store, then it will come 
>>>> with the latest MacOS pre-installed.
>>>> 
>>>> Later...
>>>> 
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42, christopher hallsworth 
>>>> <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> No clean install is planned, just an update. Why is this? Asking as never 
>>>> had trouble updating from one macOS to the other.
>>>>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:30, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I may see how big an SSD I could put in this one, mid 2012. Last I 
>>>>> looked, it was only 500 which is too small.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Going to do a clean install? Probably best. I will be doing that this 
>>>>> weekend. Oh joy but if its raining, will be an ideal time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/29/2016 11:15 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>>>>>> Thank you. And I now know what mac she will be getting. It’s an early 
>>>>>> 2015 Macbook Pro with retina, 13 inches. No doubt it will come with 
>>>>>> Yosemite preinstalled then. Not bad, but not worht a keeper either. So 
>>>>>> will update to Sierra at a moment’s notice.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:11, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Good deal. And it will be interesting to hear your reviews of VO 
>>>>>>> performance, as well as those busy this busy that.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 9/29/2016 11:05 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello everyone.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So I’ve done it! Purchased my girlfriend and new list member Hannah's 
&g

Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

[christopher hallsworth]

Running Windows on your MBA? Sure possible, must be uncomfortable though since 
the processor isn’t as powerful as the MBP.
> On 30 Sep 2016, at 21:26, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Very few issues with my Mac,
> 
> I had to learn to use the Mac for work reasons, then I purchased one and now 
> run bothmacOSX and windows on my MBA 
> As for windows machines with bloat ware,
> 
> Yes I felt the same way so with my last 3 widnows machines I always wiped 
> them and then reinstalled a fresh copy of windows without the garbage 
> That way it was a lot easier.
> 
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hannah
> Sent: Saturday, 1 October 2016 7:11 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance
> 
> HI Simon .
> 
> thankyou .
> 
> Well i hate this windows laptop .
> 
> just fed up of buying windows computers with bloat ware on them .
> 
> Do you get any issues with the mack at times?
> 
> On 30/09/2016 07:59, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Hannah
>> 
>> 
>> You’re a lucky lady,
>> 
>> I can't say I have issues with my MBA and VO I think you'll be even 
>> better off if it's a pro mac book as the processor will add to the 
>> performance also.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hannah
>> Sent: Friday, 30 September 2016 8:18 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance
>> 
>> HI tim as far as i know it's a brand new one .
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 29/09/2016 20:14, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> If you get this as a refurbished from the Apple Store, then it will come 
>>> with the latest MacOS pre-installed.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> No clean install is planned, just an update. Why is this? Asking as never 
>>> had trouble updating from one macOS to the other.
>>>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:30, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I may see how big an SSD I could put in this one, mid 2012. Last I looked, 
>>>> it was only 500 which is too small.
>>>> 
>>>> Going to do a clean install? Probably best. I will be doing that this 
>>>> weekend. Oh joy but if its raining, will be an ideal time.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>> On 9/29/2016 11:15 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>>>>> Thank you. And I now know what mac she will be getting. It’s an early 
>>>>> 2015 Macbook Pro with retina, 13 inches. No doubt it will come with 
>>>>> Yosemite preinstalled then. Not bad, but not worht a keeper either. So 
>>>>> will update to Sierra at a moment’s notice.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:11, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Good deal. And it will be interesting to hear your reviews of VO 
>>>>>> performance, as well as those busy this busy that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 9/29/2016 11:05 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello everyone.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So I’ve done it! Purchased my girlfriend and new list member Hannah's 
>>>>>>> first mac which will come with flash storage. Wondering what VoiceOver 
>>>>>>> would be like at startup compared to how it would be on a mac with hard 
>>>>>>> disk storage? On mine, it’s choppy, even under Sierra, but it’s always 
>>>>>>> been like that. However once disk activity stops VoiceOver behaves as 
>>>>>>> expected. Not concerned, more curious really.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Well, netbook is somewhat or much slower than the macbook air.
Although i understand you ofcourse.
/A
> 30 sep. 2016 kl. 19:56 skrev christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com>:
> 
> THat was my thinking as well. MBA is ok, but a little slow to my liking. I 
> would always go for an MBP. Think of MBA as Apple’s answer to the days of the 
> netbook, while MBP is Apple’s answer to a powerhouse of a Windows laptop.
>> On 30 Sep 2016, at 07:59, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hannah
>> 
>> 
>> You’re a lucky lady,
>> 
>> I can't say I have issues with my MBA and VO 
>> I think you'll be even better off if it's a pro mac book as the processor 
>> will add to the performance also.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hannah
>> Sent: Friday, 30 September 2016 8:18 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance
>> 
>> HI tim as far as i know it's a brand new one .
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 29/09/2016 20:14, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> If you get this as a refurbished from the Apple Store, then it will come 
>>> with the latest MacOS pre-installed.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> No clean install is planned, just an update. Why is this? Asking as never 
>>> had trouble updating from one macOS to the other.
>>>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:30, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I may see how big an SSD I could put in this one, mid 2012. Last I looked, 
>>>> it was only 500 which is too small.
>>>> 
>>>> Going to do a clean install? Probably best. I will be doing that this 
>>>> weekend. Oh joy but if its raining, will be an ideal time.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>> On 9/29/2016 11:15 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>>>>> Thank you. And I now know what mac she will be getting. It’s an early 
>>>>> 2015 Macbook Pro with retina, 13 inches. No doubt it will come with 
>>>>> Yosemite preinstalled then. Not bad, but not worht a keeper either. So 
>>>>> will update to Sierra at a moment’s notice.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:11, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Good deal. And it will be interesting to hear your reviews of VO 
>>>>>> performance, as well as those busy this busy that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 9/29/2016 11:05 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello everyone.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So I’ve done it! Purchased my girlfriend and new list member Hannah's 
>>>>>>> first mac which will come with flash storage. Wondering what VoiceOver 
>>>>>>> would be like at startup compared to how it would be on a mac with hard 
>>>>>>> disk storage? On mine, it’s choppy, even under Sierra, but it’s always 
>>>>>>> been like that. However once disk activity stops VoiceOver behaves as 
>>>>>>> expected. Not concerned, more curious really.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
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>>>>>> Visionaries list.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
>>>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
>>>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark 
>>>>>> at:  macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara 
>>>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>&g

RE: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

[Simon Fogarty]

Very few issues with my Mac,

 I had to learn to use the Mac for work reasons, then I purchased one and now 
run bothmacOSX and windows on my MBA 
As for windows machines with bloat ware,

Yes I felt the same way so with my last 3 widnows machines I always wiped them 
and then reinstalled a fresh copy of windows without the garbage 
 That way it was a lot easier.


Good luck.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Hannah
Sent: Saturday, 1 October 2016 7:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

HI Simon .

thankyou .

Well i hate this windows laptop .

just fed up of buying windows computers with bloat ware on them .

Do you get any issues with the mack at times?

On 30/09/2016 07:59, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> Hannah
>
>
> You’re a lucky lady,
>
>  I can't say I have issues with my MBA and VO I think you'll be even 
> better off if it's a pro mac book as the processor will add to the 
> performance also.
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hannah
> Sent: Friday, 30 September 2016 8:18 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance
>
> HI tim as far as i know it's a brand new one .
>
>
>
> On 29/09/2016 20:14, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> If you get this as a refurbished from the Apple Store, then it will come 
>> with the latest MacOS pre-installed.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> No clean install is planned, just an update. Why is this? Asking as never 
>> had trouble updating from one macOS to the other.
>>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:30, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I may see how big an SSD I could put in this one, mid 2012. Last I looked, 
>>> it was only 500 which is too small.
>>>
>>>  Going to do a clean install? Probably best. I will be doing that this 
>>> weekend. Oh joy but if its raining, will be an ideal time.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 9/29/2016 11:15 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>>>> Thank you. And I now know what mac she will be getting. It’s an early 2015 
>>>> Macbook Pro with retina, 13 inches. No doubt it will come with Yosemite 
>>>> preinstalled then. Not bad, but not worht a keeper either. So will update 
>>>> to Sierra at a moment’s notice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:11, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Good deal. And it will be interesting to hear your reviews of VO 
>>>>> performance, as well as those busy this busy that.
>>>>>
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/29/2016 11:05 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>>>>>> Hello everyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I’ve done it! Purchased my girlfriend and new list member Hannah's 
>>>>>> first mac which will come with flash storage. Wondering what VoiceOver 
>>>>>> would be like at startup compared to how it would be on a mac with hard 
>>>>>> disk storage? On mine, it’s choppy, even under Sierra, but it’s always 
>>>>>> been like that. However once disk activity stops VoiceOver behaves as 
>>>>>> expected. Not concerned, more curious really.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi thank you. Well she chose it so that’s that. She may look at Fusion as a 
future gift. I explained that this is a better way of running Windows on her 
mac should she wish to.
> On 30 Sep 2016, at 21:23, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> Yes, I love my MBA which is fully spec'd out a 2013 model,
> 
> But I think I'm going to have to go pro next time due to wishing to drop 
> bootcamp and use fusion for my vms which I currently have 3 of 
> Then again as I'm not thinking of updating till next year may be MBA specs 
> will change upwards 
> 
> Good work on the buy.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Saturday, 1 October 2016 6:57 AM
> To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance
> 
> THat was my thinking as well. MBA is ok, but a little slow to my liking. I 
> would always go for an MBP. Think of MBA as Apple’s answer to the days of the 
> netbook, while MBP is Apple’s answer to a powerhouse of a Windows laptop.
>> On 30 Sep 2016, at 07:59, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hannah
>> 
>> 
>> You’re a lucky lady,
>> 
>> I can't say I have issues with my MBA and VO I think you'll be even 
>> better off if it's a pro mac book as the processor will add to the 
>> performance also.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hannah
>> Sent: Friday, 30 September 2016 8:18 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance
>> 
>> HI tim as far as i know it's a brand new one .
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 29/09/2016 20:14, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> If you get this as a refurbished from the Apple Store, then it will come 
>>> with the latest MacOS pre-installed.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> No clean install is planned, just an update. Why is this? Asking as never 
>>> had trouble updating from one macOS to the other.
>>>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:30, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I may see how big an SSD I could put in this one, mid 2012. Last I looked, 
>>>> it was only 500 which is too small.
>>>> 
>>>> Going to do a clean install? Probably best. I will be doing that this 
>>>> weekend. Oh joy but if its raining, will be an ideal time.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>> On 9/29/2016 11:15 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>>>>> Thank you. And I now know what mac she will be getting. It’s an early 
>>>>> 2015 Macbook Pro with retina, 13 inches. No doubt it will come with 
>>>>> Yosemite preinstalled then. Not bad, but not worht a keeper either. So 
>>>>> will update to Sierra at a moment’s notice.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:11, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Good deal. And it will be interesting to hear your reviews of VO 
>>>>>> performance, as well as those busy this busy that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 9/29/2016 11:05 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello everyone.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So I’ve done it! Purchased my girlfriend and new list member Hannah's 
>>>>>>> first mac which will come with flash storage. Wondering what VoiceOver 
>>>>>>> would be like at startup compared to how it would be on a mac with hard 
>>>>>>> disk storage? On mine, it’s choppy, even under Sierra, but it’s always 
>>>>>>> been like that. However once disk activity stops VoiceOver behaves as 
>>>>>>> expected. Not concerned, more curious really.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
&g

RE: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Chris,

 Yes, I love my MBA which is fully spec'd out a 2013 model,

 But I think I'm going to have to go pro next time due to wishing to drop 
bootcamp and use fusion for my vms which I currently have 3 of 
Then again as I'm not thinking of updating till next year may be MBA specs will 
change upwards 

Good work on the buy.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
Sent: Saturday, 1 October 2016 6:57 AM
To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

THat was my thinking as well. MBA is ok, but a little slow to my liking. I 
would always go for an MBP. Think of MBA as Apple’s answer to the days of the 
netbook, while MBP is Apple’s answer to a powerhouse of a Windows laptop.
> On 30 Sep 2016, at 07:59, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hannah
> 
> 
> You’re a lucky lady,
> 
> I can't say I have issues with my MBA and VO I think you'll be even 
> better off if it's a pro mac book as the processor will add to the 
> performance also.
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hannah
> Sent: Friday, 30 September 2016 8:18 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance
> 
> HI tim as far as i know it's a brand new one .
> 
> 
> 
> On 29/09/2016 20:14, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> If you get this as a refurbished from the Apple Store, then it will come 
>> with the latest MacOS pre-installed.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> No clean install is planned, just an update. Why is this? Asking as never 
>> had trouble updating from one macOS to the other.
>>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:30, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I may see how big an SSD I could put in this one, mid 2012. Last I looked, 
>>> it was only 500 which is too small.
>>> 
>>> Going to do a clean install? Probably best. I will be doing that this 
>>> weekend. Oh joy but if its raining, will be an ideal time.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 9/29/2016 11:15 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>>>> Thank you. And I now know what mac she will be getting. It’s an early 2015 
>>>> Macbook Pro with retina, 13 inches. No doubt it will come with Yosemite 
>>>> preinstalled then. Not bad, but not worht a keeper either. So will update 
>>>> to Sierra at a moment’s notice.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:11, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good deal. And it will be interesting to hear your reviews of VO 
>>>>> performance, as well as those busy this busy that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/29/2016 11:05 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>>>>>> Hello everyone.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I’ve done it! Purchased my girlfriend and new list member Hannah's 
>>>>>> first mac which will come with flash storage. Wondering what VoiceOver 
>>>>>> would be like at startup compared to how it would be on a mac with hard 
>>>>>> disk storage? On mine, it’s choppy, even under Sierra, but it’s always 
>>>>>> been like that. However once disk activity stops VoiceOver behaves as 
>>>>>> expected. Not concerned, more curious really.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

[E.T.]

   I look forward to the day I can turn Windows off for good. Been 
using it too many years to make a clean break but its coming. (smiles) 
Then I may consider a second Mac as a backup.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/30/2016 11:13 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Guys, very kind words, thank you very much, this is why she will be receiving 
one, fed up of buying Windows computers every few years all because of its own 
fair share of problems too many to mention here plus she loves Apple devices in 
general so makes sense to complete the line-up, she is a very lucky lady 
indeed, known her eleven years this coming Tuesday, nough said before it turns 
into a general chat discussion.

On 30 Sep 2016, at 19:10, Hannah <tiggerfa...@icloud.com> wrote:

HI Simon .

thankyou .

Well i hate this windows laptop .

just fed up of buying windows computers with bloat ware on them .

Do you get any issues with the mack at times?

On 30/09/2016 07:59, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hannah


You’re a lucky lady,

I can't say I have issues with my MBA and VO
I think you'll be even better off if it's a pro mac book as the processor will 
add to the performance also.
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Hannah
Sent: Friday, 30 September 2016 8:18 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

HI tim as far as i know it's a brand new one .



On 29/09/2016 20:14, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

If you get this as a refurbished from the Apple Store, then it will come with 
the latest MacOS pre-installed.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
wrote:

No clean install is planned, just an update. Why is this? Asking as never had 
trouble updating from one macOS to the other.

On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:30, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

I may see how big an SSD I could put in this one, mid 2012. Last I looked, it 
was only 500 which is too small.

Going to do a clean install? Probably best. I will be doing that this weekend. 
Oh joy but if its raining, will be an ideal time.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/29/2016 11:15 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Thank you. And I now know what mac she will be getting. It’s an early 2015 
Macbook Pro with retina, 13 inches. No doubt it will come with Yosemite 
preinstalled then. Not bad, but not worht a keeper either. So will update to 
Sierra at a moment’s notice.



On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:11, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

Good deal. And it will be interesting to hear your reviews of VO performance, 
as well as those busy this busy that.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/29/2016 11:05 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Hello everyone.

So I’ve done it! Purchased my girlfriend and new list member Hannah's first mac 
which will come with flash storage. Wondering what VoiceOver would be like at 
startup compared to how it would be on a mac with hard disk storage? On mine, 
it’s choppy, even under Sierra, but it’s always been like that. However once 
disk activity stops VoiceOver behaves as expected. Not concerned, more curious 
really.




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Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

[E.T.]

   Its ok. When you stated the year I just took it that it was second hand.

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On 9/30/2016 10:36 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Sorry E.T. for any confusion caused. It is definitely a new machine as when I 
looked in the refurbished macs section, I was told that “no products were 
available” or similar wording.

On 30 Sep 2016, at 14:53, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

Chris H,
  I had thought you were getting a used unit. In such a case, if I bought used, 
I would do a clean install just to be safe. But new I would not.

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On 9/29/2016 11:21 PM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

WHat do you mean? And also, I purchased my own mac in 2012.

On 29 Sep 2016, at 22:17, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

 Ahh new machine, then yes you have it made.

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On 9/29/2016 12:26 PM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Oh I see. Didn’t kno. When I bought this late 2011 Macbook Pro, 13 inches, new, 
from UK retailer Argos, it came with Lion. So this is my first purchase from 
Apple directly. The mac that is.

On 29 Sep 2016, at 20:25, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:

hi,

Then if it's brand new, it will come with the newest MacOS.  It may be a 
decimal or so behind, but still in Sierra.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 29, 2016, at 13:18, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
wrote:

Hi

Yes it is a new one, Apple Store did not have any refurbished ones.



On 29 Sep 2016, at 20:17, Hannah <tiggerfa...@icloud.com> wrote:

HI tim as far as i know it's a brand new one .



On 29/09/2016 20:14, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

If you get this as a refurbished from the Apple Store, then it will come with 
the latest MacOS pre-installed.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
wrote:

No clean install is planned, just an update. Why is this? Asking as never had 
trouble updating from one macOS to the other.

On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:30, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

I may see how big an SSD I could put in this one, mid 2012. Last I looked, it 
was only 500 which is too small.

Going to do a clean install? Probably best. I will be doing that this weekend. 
Oh joy but if its raining, will be an ideal time.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/29/2016 11:15 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Thank you. And I now know what mac she will be getting. It’s an early 2015 
Macbook Pro with retina, 13 inches. No doubt it will come with Yosemite 
preinstalled then. Not bad, but not worht a keeper either. So will update to 
Sierra at a moment’s notice.



On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:11, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

Good deal. And it will be interesting to hear your reviews of VO performance, 
as well as those busy this busy that.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/29/2016 11:05 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Hello everyone.

So I’ve done it! Purchased my girlfriend and new list member Hannah's first mac 
which will come with flash storage. Wondering what VoiceOver would be like at 
startup compared to how it would be on a mac with hard disk storage? On mine, 
it’s choppy, even under Sierra, but it’s always been like that. However once 
disk activity stops VoiceOver behaves as expected. Not concerned, more curious 
really.




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