Re: [MlMt] sent messages

[Robert Brenstein]

names of mailboxes in sources are normally taken over from the imap 
server. unfortunately, different servers use different names for the 
same mailboxes. if you want to make sure which mailbox in a given source 
is for sent message, right-click on the mailbox and see whether mailbox 
type that is checkmarked is “sent messages”. It is possible to have 
multiple mailboxes with “sent” in the name under a given source, but 
only one will be the formal type of “sent messages”.


On 19 Mar 2022, at 21:56, Randy Bush wrote:


in Sources, which is my normal view, i seem to have
Sent and Sent Messages, one i assume to be an iFoo
artifact.

Sent Messages has the mailbox type of Sent Messages.

neither of these two folders has any messages since
early march.

otoh, Mailboxes / Sent Messages appears to be quite
current.

i do have a smart folder which deletes all mail in
sent, junk, deleted, ... which is not within the
last two months.

what am i not understanding?

randy
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Re: [MlMt] How can I save the HTML part of an email so that I can open in a browser or text editor?

[Robert Brenstein]

Not direct save but you could change view to “Show HTML Source”, 
copy the text, paste into a text editor, save.


On 1 Mar 2022, at 17:41, Quinn Comendant wrote:

The previous email program I used (Gyazmail) would consider the HTML 
part of an email as any other attachment, and would let me save the 
HTML part by drag-and-dropping it to my desktop. Is there any way to 
save the HTML part of an email in MailMate?


Regards,
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Re: [MlMt] Moving settings to a new computer from an existing installation

[Robert Brenstein]

The instructions say (depending on what you have customized) which means 
“if they exist”. In other words, copy what you have and do not worry 
about what is not there.


On 28 Feb 2022, at 13:18, Oliver Groschopp wrote:


On 19 Feb 2022, at 20:22, John Purnell wrote:

I followed the instructions at the bottom of the respective manual 
page: https://manual.mailmate-app.com/rebuild before I opened 
MailMate (which I had previously updated to the latest beta build for 
Monterey). I then opened MailMate, manually synced all mailboxes, and 
waited for all the messages to download. After that I added my 
licence and checked the preferences as I moved from Mojave to 
Monterey (can't remember if I had to adjust any). This is the second 
time I've done this since using MailMate and the previous time was 
also effortless--a testament to Benny.


The above link states that the following should be saved:

/Users//Library/Application Support/MailMate/*.plist
/Users//Library/Application Support/MailMate/Resources/
/Users//Library/Application Support/MailMate/Bundles/
/Users//Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist

For me, neither /Users//Library/Application 
Support/MailMate/Resources/ nor /Users//Library/Application 
Support/MailMate/Bundles/ exists!


What's going on?
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Re: [MlMt] migrating from apple mail to mail mate - prospective user

[Robert Brenstein]

On 7 Feb 2022, at 1:33, mailmate--- via mailmate wrote:

> How can I archive mail from IMAP mailboxes to somewhere else free so 
I don’t exceed my free storage allocation in the mail server?


Either

```
Message > Move to mailbox…
```

and put them into another IMAP account. Or
```
Commands > Export > …
```
to store the Emails on your local storage. Of course that would move 
them outside of MailMate. You could open the files using MailMate, but 
they won’t be searched.


You could create a „dummy IMAP account“, with invalid credentials. 
It will then always be shown as offline, but you could copy mails into 
it. It’s hacky and isn’t guaranteed to work as intended. Be extra 
careful with it. For example, don’t *move* mails there, only copy.


The secure way would be to run a real IMAP server on your machine, to 
which MailMate can connect locally. I haven’t tried myself, but 
running [Dovecot](https://www.dovecot.org/) in a container should 
work.


E.



Using EagleFiler, Mail Steward or Mail Archiver X are some of further 
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Re: [MlMt] Open messages in tabs by default?

[Robert Brenstein]

Isn’t this a setting of the operating system whether a new window 
opens as window or as tab?


On 2 Feb 2022, at 14:47, Ben Lee-Cohen wrote:

Is there any way to open a message in a tab? I can’t find a [custom 
keybinding](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/custom_key_bindings) that 
appears to open a tab, so I’m at a bit of a loss.


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Re: [MlMt] Excluding an account Source from global search and Mailboxes

[Robert Brenstein]

To expand on what John suggested. You could create a smart mailbox that 
shows all messages with begin with ”postmaster@" in their address in 
whatever sources you specify. Then you can tell your personal inbox to 
exclude messages in that mailbox. That should separate your postmaster 
and private messages. If you do manual searches, Bill made the 
suggestion for you to reduce the search scope. If you do that often, you 
could try to create a “private all messages” smart mailbox which 
uses “All Messages” as source excluding the mailbox with postmaster@ 
messages and search this one instead of using "Search All Mailboxes". 
Note also that you can change the default search from the the search box 
on top from "Search All Mailboxes" to “Search Current Mailbox” 
through a preference.


On 4 Jan 2022, at 8:37, John Doherty via mailmate wrote:

Just curious if you've tried using smart mailboxes to help with this 
situation.


For example, a smart mailbox with conditions "message is not read" and 
"To: does not contain 'postmaster@'" should always contain messages 
that are not yet read and were not addressed to 
"postmaster@": in other words, messages presumably addressed 
to you personally that you haven't read yet.


I receive a lot of automated email. Maybe not as much as you, but 
probably a couple hundred messages a day -- not really sure, never 
actually counted. I use about 10 or so smart mailboxes to segregate 
things, and with a little more thought and effort, could probably 
usefully create 10 or 15 more.


Anyway, just a thought. Smart mailboxes are a pretty great feature of 
MailMate and seem like they could help with your situation.


On Mon 2022-01-03 08:16 PM MST -0700,  wrote:

I manage a mail server which has many postmaster@ mail accounts that 
I need to monitor. These accounts receive many hundreds of messages a 
day, such as Delivery Notification Failures, DMARC reports, and other 
transactional messages. I've added these to MailMate, and noticed the 
messages from these accounts appear whenever I do a "Search All 
Mailboxes" and they appear in the Mailboxes section of the sidebar. 
Obviously, it makes MailMate difficult to use when these 
transactional messages are mixed in with my personal and work mail.
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Re: [MlMt] Antvirus scanner

[Robert Brenstein]

On 26 Nov 2021, at 10:12, Charlie Clark wrote:


On 26 Nov 2021, at 9:54, leo wrote:

Ok, so I might just delete them manually in MailMate. I guess they 
then go in the system trash. And \_there\_ the Antivirus will 
probably delete them…


No, they won't be deleted until you empty the trash in MailMate. But 
if you like you can configure an action to do this for you 
automatically after a certain amount of time.




Or create a smart mailbox to show messages in the trash that are marked 
as spam and older than some threshold and manually trash them once a 
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Re: [MlMt] Multiple rule interactions (was "Re: Filter(?) Message is moved to trash")

[Robert Brenstein]

I was using such moving as you describe when I was using Eudora. 
Switching from POP to IMAP changed the paradigm. With Mailmate, I just 
leave messages in the Inbox and instead of moving have smart mailboxes 
to show those selected messages. For what you describe as Inbox, I have 
a smart mailbox called incoming. Same end effect with no physical 
movements and actually more control.


Robert

On 22 Nov 2021, at 23:32, Randall Gellens wrote:

I have some accounts where the Inbox rules are first a set of rules 
that each check for a certain value in a header field (often, the 
'List-ID' field), and if so, add a keyword to the message and move it 
to a list-specific mailbox. Then there's a rule that, if the the 'To' 
and 'Cc' header fields do not contain my address and the keyword added 
by the earlier rules doesn't appear, then move the message to a 
catch-all mailbox. The intent is that the messages left in the Inbox 
were addressed to me, messages for certain lists I care about are 
moved to their list-specific mailboxes, and everything else is in the 
catch-all mailbox.


However, what ends up happening is that messages are moved to the 
catch-all mailbox despite an earlier rule moving them to a 
list-specific mailbox (as evidenced by the keyword having been added). 
Are rules processed in an aggregate way, so that an earlier rule that 
moves a message is counteracted by a later rule? And an earlier rule 
that adds a keyword doesn't actually add it until after all rules have 
finished, so that other rules can't test it?


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Re: [MlMt] Delete problem

[Robert Brenstein]

Could it be that Preside actually deletes immediately whereas Mailmate 
moves the message to deleted messages mailbox?


On 21 Nov 2021, at 13:04, aisrael wrote:


Sorry : I hit the Delete key to delete, not the Return key.

Alain


I am using Mailmate on the Mac, and Preside on the iPhone. When I 
delete a message in Mailmate (hitting the Return key), the message is 
not deleted in Preside (neither on my institution’s webmail for that 
matter). However deleting a message in Preside results in a deletion 
in Mailmate. On the other hand, when I hit Move to Junk in Mailmate 
(Command-return), it works OK (in both Preside and webmail).


This suggests one of my settings related to deletion in Mailmate is 
not correct. Any idea?


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Re: [MlMt] version 8 of Todoist broke links to emails

[Robert Brenstein]

Personally, I don’t think that MM’s bundle is at fault. It worked 
fine until I upgraded Todoist and I haven’t changed anything on MM 
side. I give another shout to Todoist’s support having this more 
technical info. Maybe I can finally get the issue escalated.


On the other hand, the string that you quote as given to Todoist has 
those extra 25’s. If so, how was it working until now?


Robert

On 7 Oct 2021, at 18:20, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 7 Oct 2021, at 9:31, Robert Brenstein wrote:

Right. The question is who does the escaping and whether it is 
specific to my setup or it is a general problem.


That's a good question. I'm pretty sure it's a general problem, but I 
haven't tried myself yet. This is part of the string given to Todoist:


message://%253c5a5a03cc-fc01-4ed2-a3c4-61971ec37...@uni-potsdam.de%253e

That is a URL encoded version of the string that MailMate would like 
to get into Todoist which is this:


message://%3c5a5a03cc-fc01-4ed2-a3c4-61971ec37...@uni-potsdam.de%3e

This should, when it's decoded (by Apple Mail or MailMate) result in 
this Message-ID:


<5a5a03cc-fc01-4ed2-a3c4-61971ec37...@uni-potsdam.de>

So, why is the string given to Todoist double-encoded. Well, that's 
because it's given as a URL string itself in the `content` argument as 
(kind of) documented by Todoist 
[here](https://developer.todoist.com/guides/#views).


So, I don't *think* the Todoist bundle (MailMate) is to blame. But we 
needs things to work so if they insist then I'll have to look into a 
workaround.


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Re: [MlMt] version 8 of Todoist broke links to emails

[Robert Brenstein]

Right. The question is who does the escaping and whether it is specific 
to my setup or it is a general problem.


On 6 Oct 2021, at 19:24, Nick Rich via mailmate wrote:


Dear Robert,

It may be useful to know that %3e in the correct link is an escaped 
closing HTML tag,  >


The %25 is an HTML escaped percentage sign, % .

So it looks as though *something* is incorrectly escaping the 
percentage sign in %3e, and thus breaking the closing tag.


Hope this helps towards a solution,

Nick




From: "Robert Brenstein" 
Subject: [MlMt] version 8 of Todoist broke links to emails
Date: 6 October 2021 at 08:04:28 BST
To: mailmate@lists.freron.com


I upgraded to version 8.0.1 of the Todoist app (from version 7) and 
all new links from MM are not working - clicking the link switches me 
to MM but the expected email is not being open. The core was updated 
a couple times since then but the problem remains.


I compared the new links to old ones and noticed that additional 
characters are inserted in the URL.


The task created by version 8 is for example:

create course 
([link](message://%253c5a5a03cc-fc01-4ed2-a3c4-61971ec37...@uni-potsdam.de%253e 
))


when I remove 25 after the % to match the syntax of earlier links

create course 
([link](message://%3c5a5a03cc-fc01-4ed2-a3c4-61971ec37...@uni-potsdam.de%3e 
))


then the link works fine.

I did not change anything else, just upgraded Todoist. However, 
Todoist’s support claims that the problem is with our bundle.


Does anyone else see this issue?

Robert



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[MlMt] version 8 of Todoist broke links to emails

[Robert Brenstein]

I upgraded to version 8.0.1 of the Todoist app (from version 7) and all 
new links from MM are not working - clicking the link switches me to MM 
but the expected email is not being open. The core was updated a couple 
times since then but the problem remains.


I compared the new links to old ones and noticed that additional 
characters are inserted in the URL.


The task created by version 8 is for example:

create course 
([link](message://%253c5a5a03cc-fc01-4ed2-a3c4-61971ec37...@uni-potsdam.de%253e))


when I remove 25 after the % to match the syntax of earlier links

create course 
([link](message://%3c5a5a03cc-fc01-4ed2-a3c4-61971ec37...@uni-potsdam.de%3e))


then the link works fine.

I did not change anything else, just upgraded Todoist. However, 
Todoist’s support claims that the problem is with our bundle.


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Re: [MlMt] Disabling auto-switching of sender From: address?

[Robert Brenstein]

I learned (trained myself) to first enter TO and then adjust FROM if 
needed. I actually like the fact that MM adjust the FROM based on the 
TO. In my case, it gets it right most of the time and I have a dozen 
FROM addresses, each for a different purpose. It seems that last used 
FROM for a given TO is usually given a preference.


On 9 Sep 2021, at 22:20, Greg Earle wrote:


Benny,

MailMate has this troubling habit of sometimes auto-switching the 
From: address (if you have multiple e-mail accounts) to another 
account, depending on what the recipient address is.  This can be 
simply annoying or downright embarrassing, depending on the recipient 
and the name on the sending account.


Just today I brought up a new message window, and my work e-mail 
account was in the From: box drop-down.


I entered a work account in the To: field, and once I did that, it 
switched the From: address to my throwaway Gmail account!  If I'm 
sending from my work account to another work account, why on Earth 
would it switch the sending account?  If I am viewing my work account 
and click on "New", I expect it to use my work account as the "From:" 
address and then not change it after that.


Is there some setting (or "defaults write" variable) to permanently 
disable this switching "feature"?  Under "Preferences" -> "Composer" 
-> "New Message: Default account is" I have it set to "derived from 
context".  I'm not sure I want that, but the other static choices 
aren't really better, either.


Thanks,

- Greg
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Re: [MlMt] Suprious junk mail

[Robert Brenstein]

On 6 Sep 2021, at 16:19, Justin Mallone wrote:

On Sep 6, 2021, at 9:55 AM, James Coffey  
wrote:


All of a sudden messages are showing up in my junk email folder, 
stating they are not marked as junk but in folder. As they are real 
messages from work I am wondering how to fix this.


I've been having a similar issue where legitimate messages seem to be 
appearing in the Deleted Messages folder on only one of two computers 
I have MailMate installed on (an M1 MacBook Air).


I have been trying to figure this out for a few days but haven't been 
able to put it together yet.




I had such funky things when multiple devices were allowed to deal with 
spam. They went away once I restricted spam handling to MM on my main 
computer, which I train carefully and maintain white and black lists 
accordingly. The only side effect is that I see some spam when I check 
emails on other devices before main MM handles them.


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Re: [MlMt] Feature Request: Defer sending by default

[Robert Brenstein]

I have sending of all my emails delayed by 10 mins by default, so yes, 
there is such a setting. If you click the sandwich menu in the second 
row of the editor window, you can make the “Send later” field 
visible (you can set it to be always visible). You can set the default 
value but still change it for any message when composing.


On 26 Aug 2021, at 11:30, Stephan Bösebeck wrote:


Hi,

Just an idea, that might be interesting for others. If by default the 
sending of emails could be defered by 5 minutes, you could cancel a 
sent email, especially if you hit sent accidentally. Would be great, 
if we had a setting for that as well.


Or is that already possible and I am missing it somehow...

Cheers,

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Re: [MlMt] Getting SpamSieve to work with Junk folder of source account

[Robert Brenstein]

Have you told the spam filters that those are good messages? You need to 
train spamsieve ;-)
If that does not help, check the blacklist in the spamsieve and remove 
any wrong entries.


On 5 Aug 2021, at 14:25, Gavan Schneider via mailmate wrote:


Greetings all

I am using SpamSieve and have all the setup done as per 
instructions… and all the messages in my normal input stream get a 
SpamSieve score.


My problem is with one account where some messages are in that 
account’s “Junk” folder and therefore appear in the consolidated 
“Junk” folder. They are not getting a SpamSieve score (and are 
mostly not spam). What extra steps are needed so SpamSieve gets to 
process these messages?


My system: MailMate/5820/…/x86_64/iMac18,2/4 macOS 11.5

Many thanks in advance

Gavan Schneider
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Gavan Schneider, Sodwalls, NSW, Australia
Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a 
well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and 
wrong.

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Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked

[Robert Brenstein]

Let’s first make sure that we are talking about the same junk folder. 
You should see one for each of your IMAP accounts under Sources and also 
one funder Mailboxes with submailbox for each of your IMAP accounts. 
Which one are you referring to?


On 27 Jul 2021, at 1:03, Ralph Alvy wrote:

MM does see the Spam folder created by Fastmail as of Type Junk, so I 
can just delete that Junk folder. Right?


On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 2:50 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:

It sounds like a local Mailbox Junk got assigned the type of Junk (or 
Spam got renamed locally) and it is mapped onto the standard (for 
that server) mailbox Spam on the server. In other words, it is the 
same mailbox (folder as you call them), just named differently 
locally and on the server.



On 26 Jul 2021, at 23:17, Antonio Leding wrote:


OK - so my assessment is pretty much in agreement with what Bill 
said earlier…









The server side is moving the message to Spam. Then, on the MlMt 
side, you see this move occur in the Spam folder and because you 
also have a local Junk folder - also mapped as Junk - it will mirror 
whatever is going on in the local-Spam folder. And actually what 
happens in local-Junk should be mirrored in the local-Spam folder.









I’m not sure if just removing the local-Junk folder is fine - 
probably should be but since I haven’t personally done that, I 
will withhold any advice\comment. Perhaps others have done this and 
will comment….









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Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked

[Robert Brenstein]

It sounds like a local Mailbox Junk got assigned the type of Junk (or 
Spam got renamed locally) and it is mapped onto the standard (for that 
server) mailbox Spam on the server. In other words, it is the same 
mailbox (folder as you call them), just named differently locally and on 
the server.


On 26 Jul 2021, at 23:17, Antonio Leding wrote:

OK - so my assessment is pretty much in agreement with what Bill said 
earlier…


The server side is moving the message to Spam.  Then, on the MlMt 
side, you see this move occur in the Spam folder and because you also 
have a local Junk folder - also mapped as Junk - it will mirror 
whatever is going on in the local-Spam folder.  And actually what 
happens in local-Junk should be mirrored in the local-Spam folder.


I’m not sure if just removing the local-Junk folder is fine - 
probably should be but since I haven’t personally done that, I will 
withhold any advice\comment.  Perhaps others have done this and will 
comment….


- - -

On 26 Jul 2021, at 14:11, Ralph Alvy wrote:


Okay. Here's what I see.

I have a Spam folder on Fastmail server. In MailMate its Type is 
Junk.


I have a Junk folder in MailMate that is not on Fastmail server. In 
MailMate its Type is Junk.


I now see identical messages in both folders. For some reason I 
didn't before, but I think that had something to do with my 
transition to Fastmail a few nights ago, importing from Tuffmail to 
Fastmail while keeping Tuffmail online for a couple days.


But for now, both folders have the same messages in each and when I 
delete a message in Spam, it is deleted in Junk. And if I delete in 
Junk, it's deleted in Spam.


So it looks like I can just get rid of the Junk folder altogether 
since Fastmail doesn't even see it. Correct?



On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Antonio Leding wrote:

So to recap (please correct any errors):

 * There is a folder locally in MlMt called *Junk*; this same folder 
does *not* exist on the Fastmail server.


 * There is a folder on the Fastmail server called *Spam*; this same 
folder does *not* exist locally in MlMt.


 * SpamAssassin is running on the Fastmail side.

 * The message in question was moved to the local *Junk* folder but 
*not* the *Spam* folder on the Fastmail side.


 * The message in question had header info that indicates it was 
evaluated by SpamAssassin and also had a relatively high Spam score 
(7.2).


If the above is accurate, then the next 2 things I would like to 
know are:


 * What happened to the message on the Fastmail side? Meaning in 
which folder did it land?


 * If you right-click on the local *Junk* folder and then goto 
“Mailbox Type”, how is it mapped?




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Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked

[Robert Brenstein]

An IMAP server normally should have a junk mailbox. Whether it is called 
junk, spam, or else depends on the server. Have you checked in the 
sources the mailbox types for the source mailboxes? It is an item in the 
popup menu when you right-click on one of the folders in a source. You 
should have a mailbox for each of the special types set. You may want to 
first check your subscription to see whether by accident some mailboxes 
are not subscribed to.


On 26 Jul 2021, at 17:00, Ralph Alvy wrote:

I forgot to mention that the Junk folder is not on the Fastmail 
server. It is only a local folder created by MailMate. That seems to 
suggest the only way it got there is via MailMate itself.


On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 7:13 AM, Ralph Alvy wrote:
But Fastmail has its own folder for that. It's called Spam. And it 
did not put it in that folder.


On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Bill Cole wrote:

On 2021-07-25 at 20:15:31 UTC-0400 (Sun, 25 Jul 2021 17:15:31 -0700)
Ralph Alvy 
is rumored to have said:

I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines in 
the

raw message:

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0
X-Spam-known-sender: no
X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none)
X-Spam-score: 7.2
X-Spam-hits: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.248,
HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001,
  HTML_MESSAGE 0.001, ME_HAS_VSSU 0.001, ME_SENDERREP_NEUTRAL 
0.001,

  RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE -0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001, SPF_PASS -0.001,
  URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM 7, LANGUAGES en, BAYES_USED none, SA_VERSION
3.4.2


That's a SpamAssassin header, added by the server. Your mail 
provider

put that message in Junk, not MailMate. The total score of 7.2 is
significantly above the default SA threshold score for spam (5.0) 
but

the 'X-Spam-hits' itemization shows that almost entirely due to one
issue: the "URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM" hit scored at 7. That hit 
indicates
that there was a link in the message body whose domain is listed in 
the
Spamhaus DBL list: https://www.spamhaus.org/dbl. It is rare for the 
DBL

to list domains that are not exclusively used in spam, but it does
happen.


--
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Re: [MlMt] which mailbox

[Robert Brenstein]

If you open that message in its own window, you can right-click on the 
text in the window title bar and you will see the filing path, which 
will reveal the imap mailbox and mail account.


On 15 Jul 2021, at 19:24, Randy Bush wrote:


if i select the pseudo-mailbox of the account itself, i.e. not one of
its mailboxes, i see an unread message.  but none of the mailboxes has
that message.  how can i find out which mailbox has the message?

it is marked as junk, but the mailbox with the type junk does not
contain it.

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Re: [MlMt] How can I tell MM to NOT retrieve mail?

[Robert Brenstein]

Hmm, it should not be too difficult to add checkboxes in the account 
settings, one “disable sending messages when synchronizing” and two 
“disable fetching messages when synchronizing”, to let users control 
these. Of course, someone may still ask for global settings to control 
all accounts at once.


On 31 May 2021, at 23:09, TJ Luoma wrote:


Benny

This conversation reminded me - I would absolutely love a 'mode' for
MailMate that would allow me to _send_ email but _NOT_ receive email.

For example, today is a U.S. holiday, and so I am trying NOT to check 
my

email, but I am _sending_ some emails for things that are happening
tomorrow, later in the week, etc.

I used to use MailSmith as a "send only" email client, but it was 
32-bit

only, and I have not found another email app that can do it well.

~ Tj

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Re: [MlMt] Duplicate Sent messages

[Robert Brenstein]

Have you tried adding “and none of the following mailboxes” - 
mailbox “sent” in the mailboxes panel of the smart mailbox?


On 14 May 2021, at 19:10, Dave C wrote:

In my various smart mailboxes, when I send a message to a group, the 
copy (OK, it’s not really a copy but let’s overlook this 
nomenclature for the moment) that is in the Sent folder also appears 
in that group’s mailbox. So for every message I send I have in the 
smart mailbox: the message that is distributed to the list by the list 
server returned to me, and the Sent “copy” also.


Ideally, I want a condition for the smart mailbox that says “Does 
not appear in Sent mailbox”.


How do I keep Sent messages from also appearing in the associated 
smart mailboxes?


It’s a small thing, but MM is such a powerful and well-designed 
client, and perfections is my goal. :)


Thanks,
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Re: [MlMt] Memory Usage (Mail Steward)

[Robert Brenstein]

An alternative to Mail Steward ist Mail Archiver X, but it also keeps 
mail in its own database, that is outside Mailmate.


On 12 May 2021, at 1:52, Tracy Valleau wrote:


The interface is simple fill-in-the fields.

I'd suggest visiting the application website, to take a look at it. 
They do a better job of introducing the app than I will.


mailsteward.com

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Re: [MlMt] email folder turned red and all messages gone

[Robert Brenstein]

That means that the mailbox went offline. Probably due to transient 
connectivity issue. Right click on it and take it online. Actually, you 
may want to check in sources to see whether the entire source went 
offline.


On 20 Apr 2021, at 1:36, Peter Borsella wrote:


Hi,

One of my commonly used IMAP folders had its title suddenly turned red 
and all of the messages therein are gone.  I quickly went onto Google 
where they also reside, and the messages are still there (for now!).


Does anyone know of a way to restore such messages?

Many thanks...Peter


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Re: [MlMt] Apply rule to sent messages?

[Robert Brenstein]

On 11 Apr 2021, at 23:05, Andrew Buc wrote:


On 11 Apr 2021, at 13:42, Robert Brenstein wrote:


What selections do you have on the mailboxes tab? Can you send the 
screen of that as well?


Attached. Tempor Set (PariAtur) in distortion mode is Andrew Buc 
(FastMail).




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Re: [MlMt] Apply rule to sent messages?

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On 11 Apr 2021, at 21:38, Andrew Buc wrote:


On 27 Mar 2021, at 8:42, Robert Brenstein wrote:

I think that a smart mailbox is actually simpler to handle and more 
reliable besides being more aligned with IMAP. The smart mailbox can 
check incoming and outgoing mailboxes for mails that have any 
recipient or sender be the specified email address (or more). 
Basically, the exact conditions, Andrew, that you set up for your 
rule except that applied for a smart mailbox with INBOX and SENT as 
source mailboxes. No need to actually move physical messages.




For reasons that I’ve explained in other posts, I really prefer to 
have dedicated folders for mail to and from my regular correspondents. 
But I accept that I’ll need to set up smart mailboxes to filter my 
outgoing emails to a given correspondent. To take one example, 
here’s a smart mailbox I’ve set up. IMO the “from name 
contains” condition should result in my seeing messages both to and 
from my friend. But I’m seeing only my outgoing messages to my 
friend. I’ve tried applying the smart mailbox to All Messages and to 
“Andrew Buc (FastMail)” (how I’ve named the account in MM), and 
it makes no difference. Thanks.




What selections do you have on the mailboxes tab? Can you send the 
screen of that as well?


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Re: [MlMt] Prospective user: Possible to use MM in separate window mode?

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On 5 Apr 2021, at 21:31, David Green wrote:


On 5 Apr 2021, at 13:52, ch wrote:


I've read a bunch of list posts about switching to MailMate and am 
somewhat prepared for the mental retraining I'll be facing. However, 
there is one way of working that I'm not prepared to give up: using 
separate mailbox windows.


I really, really dislike the one-window three-pane email standard - 
it drives me bonkers. I'm someone who likes to see everything at 
once. My office looks like chaos, but I know in which pile and how 
far down everything is because I can see it! :-)


You can have multiple windows.  I think to get what you want, you 
would choose the three pane view, select the mailbox for this window, 
and then chose to hide the mailbox side panel.


Dave


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Re: [MlMt] Utterly baffled by Mailing Lists

[Robert Brenstein]

As simple way to handle mailing lists in MM is to set up a separate 
smart mailbox for each list. In my experience, this takes a bit of 
effort initially but makes it easy to handle peculiarities of various 
lists, and there is no problem to view each list individually as well as 
all together. I have lists that have no list-id, for example, but use 
common prefix for subject. Some send emails from the list address, some 
use posters email as sender. All those smart mailboxes sit inside a 
smart mailbox “mailing lists” that has no other settings than the 
checkbox “include messages in any of the submailboxes” checked. I 
also have a smart mailbox “mailing lists new” that shows me only new 
messages from the “mailing lists”, new as incoming within last 24 
hrs and not read yet.


On 29 Mar 2021, at 15:21, Paul Atlan wrote:

Thanks for the detailed answer. I guess it makes sense, given the 
plurality of tools,  and I just need to keep on refining my list of 
rules.


Although I may try to see if i can't file them into a newsreader such 
as NetNewsWire. It may be able to do the filing for me at minimal 
effort ...
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Re: [MlMt] Apply rule to sent messages?

[Robert Brenstein]

I think that a smart mailbox is actually simpler to handle and more 
reliable besides being more aligned with IMAP. The smart mailbox can 
check incoming and outgoing mailboxes for mails that have any recipient 
or sender be the specified email address (or more). Basically, the exact 
conditions, Andrew, that you set up for your rule except that applied 
for a smart mailbox with INBOX and SENT as source mailboxes. No need to 
actually move physical messages.



On 27 Mar 2021, at 3:47, Andrew Buc wrote:

Making some headway with MM, and I’m taking Philip Paeps’s 
suggestion of using FastMail's sieve features to file the mail on the 
server when it arrives. Having said that, I think there’s something 
to be said for learning at least a bit about MM rules.


20-odd years ago I was running an OS/2 (really!) mail client, 
PMMail/2, that would let me apply rules to a message when it was sent. 
For any given friend I’d set up a rule sending messages to or from 
that friend to that friend’s dedicated folder. That way I could 
easily see both sides of the correspondence with the friend.


Apple Mail doesn’t have this functionality but every so often I 
apply my rules to my Sent folder, and my outgoing emails to my friends 
end up in the appropriate folders. Incoming email, of course, are 
already in the folders.


To see if I could do this in MM, I made a rule for a particular 
friend—-screen shot attached with my friend’s personal info 
blacked out.


If I highlight an email to my friend in the Sent Items folder and hit 
cmd-opt-L, I get a “thunk” sound and no action. If I RMB on the 
Sent Items folder and choose “Apply rules of Sent Items,” the 
choices in the next menu (selected messages, all messages) are grayed 
out.


I tried turning the rule off, having my friend send a test message, 
turning the rule on, and invoking it with cmd-opt-L on the copy of the 
message in the inbox. In that context the rule works.


Can what I’d like to do be done, and if so, how? I’m on build 
5673. Thanks!

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Re: [MlMt] Question on IMAP mailboxes and rules from a MailMate newbie

[Robert Brenstein]

On 2021-03-14 02:43:51 (+0800), Andrew Buc wrote:
What you see here is a start at duplicating my folder structure in 
Apple Mail. The Friends mailbox, as you might guess, is for personal 
correspondence. The Lists mailbox is for various listservs. I have 
many more friends and subscribe to many more listservs than shown, but 
I’m taking it a step at a time.


The Friends and Lists mailboxes are directly under the “Andrew Buc 
(FastMail)” account. Is that where they should be?


You may want to consider changing your paradigm a bit and instead of 
using physical mailboxes for groups like friends and lists, you use 
smart mailboxes. You may find that this gives you even more flexibility 
and control over your mail streams. I am talking from experience of 
using POP with Eudora for many many many years and switching to IMAP and 
MailMate a few years ago.


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Re: [MlMt] Forward only part of an email?

[Robert Brenstein]

It would be quite complicated, if possible at all, to decipher 
HTML-dependencies on a fragment you selected. The situation is different 
when forwarding the entire email. You just need to clean up the fragment 
as you wishes.


On 7 Feb 2021, at 15:51, Dan Romanchik wrote:


Hi, Jeff—

Thanks for your reply. It does do this, but it only forwards the HTML 
code. For example, I wanted to forward a job listing from LinkedIn to 
a friend. I highlighted the particular job, and this is what MailMate 
decided to forward:


[]() 
| [Freelance Resume Writer- 
Remote]()


It treats that highlighted portion as text, not HTML. When I forward 
the complete email, it preserves it as an HTML email.


Regards, Dan



Hi Dan,

If you go into MailMate’s settings, click on the Composer tab you 
will find an option to Only include selected text. I think this does 
what you’re looking for.


Jeff

On 1 Feb 2021, at 14:35, Dan Romanchik wrote:
One of the features that I do like about Apple Mail is that you can 
highlight a portion of a received email, even if it’s HTML, and 
forward only that part. I haven’t figured out how to do this with 
MailMate yet. Is this possible?


Regards,

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Re: [MlMt] 2nd IT Service Notice: Campus Email Protocols IMAP/SMTP/POP Disabled - 2/1

[Robert Brenstein]

On 4 Feb 2021, at 10:47, Charlie Clark wrote:


On 4 Feb 2021, at 5:48, Harvey S. Leff wrote:


MailMate aficionados,
I received the message below saying that my university’s email 
services would no longer use IMAP.


This really is quite worrying given that certificate-based e-mail has 
been possible for years, if not decades. What the world doesn't need 
is more proprietary, locked in systems where vendors get to choose 
what is and is not suitable…


Charlie


What the message from OP’s university says is that they are disabling 
IMAP and SMTP protocols on their Office 365 service. That is an optional 
access to Office 365, which itself has always been proprietary, Charlie. 
If there is enough people at the university that do not have mail 
clients that work natively with Office 365, there might be enough 
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Re: [MlMt] Suggestion for a toolbar button to switch between plain text and html

[Robert Brenstein]

When I create a new msg and enter customize toolbar, there is an icon 
labelled “preview” and another labelled “toggle message 
preview.” The latter has two buttons, one for turning preview on and 
another for off.


On 11 Dec 2020, at 5:35, m...@rhp.tw wrote:


I don't see the option when I choose "Customize Toolbar".

On Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 08:56 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:

You can add it to the toolbar. It is one of the options when editing 
it.


On 10 Dec 2020, at 23:09, Robert Anders wrote:


Hi.

I had to use windows for a week and one thing i am missing after 
returning from using thebat! is a fast way to switch between the 
plain text and the html version of a message.


My default ist plain text 90% of the time, but sometimes there is no 
plain text alternative or it's broken or i (rarely) really do want 
to view the html version. There's a menu entry but a toggle in the 
toolbar as an option would be great.



Thanks!



Robert.

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Re: [MlMt] Suggestion for a toolbar button to switch between plain text and html

[Robert Brenstein]

You can add it to the toolbar. It is one of the options when editing it.

On 10 Dec 2020, at 23:09, Robert Anders wrote:


Hi.

I had to use windows for a week and one thing i am missing after 
returning from using thebat! is a fast way to switch between the plain 
text and the html version of a message.


My default ist plain text 90% of the time, but sometimes there is no 
plain text alternative or it's broken or i (rarely) really do want to 
view the html version. There's a menu entry but a toggle in the 
toolbar as an option would be great.



Thanks!



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Re: [MlMt] Smart Folder - select all

[Robert Brenstein]

Gray selection means that the focus is not in that panel. Tabbing moves 
the focus. I am using way older version off MM and it behaves the same 
way - I mean I need to click or tab to the list panel for active 
selection and actions - so this auto-move of focus must have been 
introduced at some point and now taken away, either on purpose or by 
accident.


On 3 Dec 2020, at 12:27, David Ledger wrote:


On 2 Dec 2020, at 22:41, Michael Nietzold wrote:



- i would like to have the old behavior


I support this change request :-)


Correction to my last post.

5673 is almost the same as the ‘5744+ behaviour’. The entries in 
the message list do highlight, but in grey. They will not delete until 
I tab into the message list.


Thunderbird, which I use on my Ubuntu laptop, does selection and 
deletion without tabbing into the message list, which is why I notice 
it so often. I use it several times a day to empty my Junk mailboxes.


David

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Re: [MlMt] Allow spacebar to move to older message instead of newer

[Robert Brenstein]

Does it move to the NEXT message according to sorting and other criteria 
for a given mailbox?
Spacebar shortcut is actually not a standard shortcut, so may be there 
is sth with your definition.


I am using MM for 4 years now and I still occasionally hit spacebar to 
open a message (but nothing happens since I have only std settings). Old 
habits die hard ;-)


On 24 Nov 2020, at 15:56, Richard Spiers wrote:


Anybody have any ideas ? Or is this something that would require a new
feature to be implemented?

Kind regards
Richard Spiers

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 6:41 PM Richard Spiers 


wrote:


Hi all

I keep my mailboxes sorted with newest / latest email at the top, and
would like to use spacebar to move through all my unread mail - 
scrolling
the newest email and then moving to the next message (slightly 
older).


The current shortcut for spacebar only works if I scroll down to the 
end

of my mail, and start working my way up - this is the reverse of the
behaviour I'd like.

Anybody have a suggestion of how this can be accomplished ?

The options for MmMessagesOutlineMoveStrategy do not appear to do 
anything

here.

Not sure if it would require something like a
scrollPageDownOrPreviousMessage instead of the current
scrollPageDownOrNextMessage or a flag to switch the direction ?

Kind regards
Richard Spiers





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[MlMt] bundle for todoist needs update

[Robert Brenstein]

The bundle creates a link to message from MM using the following syntax:

(message:// (link))

This worked fine for years but no longer. Current documentation
https://get.todoist.help/hc/en-us/articles/205195102

states that this should be:

message:// ((link))

that is moving the starting parenthesis from the beginning to before the 
word link

or using proper markdown:

[(link)](message://)

It would be really great if the bundle is adjusted accordingly.
The old-style links show as text and do not act as links.

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Re: [MlMt] include contents of one smart mailbox in another

[Robert Brenstein]

What stops you from setting mailbox B as the source for mailbox A?
If you do that, then the conditions you set for A apply only to mails 
that are shown in B.
You can have multiple source mailboxes for smart mailboxes, those being 
either true mailboxes, combo mailboxes or smart mailboxes.


On 10 Nov 2020, at 18:02, Shoshanna Green wrote:

Is it possible to set up a condition for smart mailbox A that will 
catch all messages that are in smart mailbox B, without just copying 
all the conditions for B over to A? Copying them over requires 
manually keeping the two sets of conditions identical; if I make a 
change to B I have to remember to make the same change to A.


In other words, I'd like to be able to have a condition on A that says 
"is included in B" along with the usual conditions like "is from 
such-and-such address," "is unread," etc.


(I believe that if B is a submailbox of A I can just check the box on 
A's Mailboxes tab that says "Include messages in any submailboxes of 
this mailbox"? But I'm wondering if there's a way to do it when B is 
not a submailbox of A.) (Also I find that checkbox a bit 
counterintuitive, since the mailboxes listed on that tab are the ones 
to which the conditions will be applied; listing them there doesn't 
mean that the messages in them will automatically be included whether 
or not the conditions match. But that seems to be what the checkbox 
means for submailboxes. The checkbox would be more intuitive to me on 
the Conditions tab.)


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Re: [MlMt] Messages sent in duplicate

[Robert Brenstein]

This is a known matter. Only one message is actually sent but due to way 
office 365 implements IMAP, two messages show up in MM. The second one 
has extra header entry. This was discussed in more detail on this list 
in the past. Most people just ignore the double entry.


On 1 Nov 2020, at 22:28, Kee Hinckley wrote:

I keep meaning to report that. As far as I can tell MailMate is 
putting a copy in the outbox, but so is Exchange. It’s possible to 
tell the copies apart from the headers, but I’m on my iPad right 
now, so I can’t look at the raw messages.



On Nov 1, 2020 at 04:46:39 CST, Olivier Bedouelle 
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  Hello,  I don't understand, with office 365, my messages sent in 
mailmate are duplicates. In Outlook web, there is no. There is only 
one and my correspondents receive only one.  Do you know why?
Olivier Bedouelle

Gérant
+33 1 76 43 34 34  Sauvaje
Chemin rural n°12
78114 Magny les hameaux
 Sauvaje.fr



  Sauvaje • Les jardiniers du vivant
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Re: [MlMt] Smart Mailbox - include submailbox

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I have never tried putting regular IMAP mailboxes into a smart mailbox. 
It seems counter-intuitive to me. I believe that the key is that no 
source mailboxes are selected and no conditions are set for the mailbox 
with that checkbox set.


On 15 Oct 2020, at 22:27, Martin S Taylor wrote:

You mean it only works if the sub-mailboxes are smart mailboxes? That 
seems a bit curious. Why doesn't it work if the sub-mailboxes are 
regular IMAP mailboxes in different accounts?


MST

On 15 Oct 2020, at 19:49, Robert Brenstein wrote:

You might be misconstruing what this checkbox does. Let say I 
subscribe to 10 mailing lists. I create a smart mailbox for each of 
the lists. I then place all those mailboxes inside another mailbox 
which has no source folders selected or conditions set. Now, if I 
activated the checkbox to "Include messages in any submailbox,” the 
enclosing folder will show all my mailing lists combined while I 
retain full and independent control of what each submailbox shows.


On 15 Oct 2020, at 20:06, Martin S Taylor wrote:

When I click the checkbox to "Include messages in any submailbox", 
it doesn't seem to make any difference. Am I missing something, or 
is this a bug?


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Re: [MlMt] Smart Mailbox - include submailbox

[Robert Brenstein]

You might be misconstruing what this checkbox does. Let say I subscribe 
to 10 mailing lists. I create a smart mailbox for each of the lists. I 
then place all those mailboxes inside another mailbox which has no 
source folders selected or conditions set. Now, if I activated the 
checkbox to "Include messages in any submailbox,” the enclosing folder 
will show all my mailing lists combined while I retain full and 
independent control of what each submailbox shows.


On 15 Oct 2020, at 20:06, Martin S Taylor wrote:

When I click the checkbox to "Include messages in any submailbox", it 
doesn't seem to make any difference. Am I missing something, or is 
this a bug?


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Re: [MlMt] English grammar correction

[Robert Brenstein]

You can turn that warning off in user preferences (composer tab). I 
personally find it useful.


On 8 Oct 2020, at 7:24, Tracy Valleau wrote:

The button that appears in the dialog when the word "attachment" is 
found in the text, but no attachment is linked in the email (which is 
nanny-overkill, IMHO) should be


"Send anyway?"

not

"Send anyways?"

'anyways' is an informal dialect. It may be used, but so is "ain't".

And it ain't right to use it anyways.

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Re: [MlMt] can send mail but new mail doesn't download into inbox

[Robert Brenstein]

What you describe is a case when the account is taken offline in MM.  
Such a thing happened to me a couple times when one of my providers had 
problems for a while and MM could not connect. You can also take an 
account offline as a user, which I also did a few times.


If you go to the sources section, you can right-click on the account and 
the popup will have an option to take the account back online.


On 30 Sep 2020, at 20:40, Ken Pope wrote:

I’m using MM 1.13.2 (5673) on Catalina 10.15.7.  Everything perfect 
until a few hours ago when: (a) although I can send mail, new mail 
doesn’t appear in my inbox; (b) my account (k...@kenpope.com) under 
“sources” turned red, and all the boxes under it went from black 
to light gray; & (c) although new mail doesn’t appear in the inbox, 
it *does* appear under “sources” if I highlight the red source 
account.


Although MM is my main client, I have 4 others (Mail, GyazMail, 
Airmail, & Postbox) that I use solely to download mail and provide 
backups—the k...@kenpope.com continues to download and appear in 
their inboxes.


Any idea about what’s gone wrong and how I can fix it?

Thanks for your help.

Ken


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Re: [MlMt] Keybindings for non-US keyboards

[Robert Brenstein]

He meant that to produce the left square bracket on the German keyboard, 
he needs to press alt-5 (option-5 if you will). So how do you produce a 
shortcut that itself requests the alt key to be hold. Will the alt key 
be recognized doubly, once to produce the bracket and then to produce 
the shortcut? I gather he has to remap these shortcuts to completely 
other keys.


On 30 Sep 2020, at 17:23, Bill Cole wrote:


On 30 Sep 2020, at 7:58, Charlie Clark wrote:


Increase indentation cmd + [ becomes be alt + cmd + 6 on my keyboard
And I've no idea how to get alt + cmd + [ because I'd need alt twice!


Typically "Alt" (common on Windows keyboards) is mapped to the Mac 
"Option" key rather than "Command" (a.k.a. "cloverleaf".) Does your 
keyboard have a 3rd modifier key of some sort, i.e. Control, Alt, and 
Something Else?  I know that Windows keyboards usually have a Windows 
key, which is often mapped to Mac's Command.


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Re: [MlMt] "Folders" and Unread Messages

[Robert Brenstein]

Counters are independent from conditions.
Are your and’s and or’s all correct in the conditions?
I’d have a smart mailbox that shows Forums and another that uses that 
one as the source and shows only unread mails.


On 26 Sep 2020, at 19:55, Oliver Groschopp wrote:


Hi,

I have created a folder in Mailmate (Smart Mailbox) There I put all my 
mails from forums under it.


Now I want to see the unread mails of all mailboxes in the "Forums" 
folder.


Unfortunately I can't do that, all unread mails are counted, but all 
are displayed!


As "Conditions" I have set "Message is not Read".

Can anyone help me?

Regards

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Re: [MlMt] Can't send email from one of my Google Apps accounts "Pending submission"

[Robert Brenstein]

Is that account online in MM?

On 24 Sep 2020, at 18:46, Lisa Sieverts wrote:

The Activity Viewer has no activity for this account. All of the other 
accounts are showing activity, or if nothing is happening, then show 
LOGOUT. But for this problem account, the Activity Viewer only shows 
two blank lines, even when I try to force a send from this account 
again.


Thank you.
Lisa

Have you tried using Window->Show Activity Viewer to get a sense of 
where the failure is happening in the SMTP transaction?


Glenn P. Parker
glenn.par...@comcast.net


On 23 Sep 2020, at 13:30, Lisa Sieverts wrote:

In the past week or so, one of my several Google Apps accounts has 
ceased being able to send email. I had made no changes to the 
outgoing mail settings.


I have tried forcing the OAuth2 again via File | Edit IMAP Account. 
I was able to do that reauthorization successfully but my emails are 
still stuck.


My three other Google accounts are fine.

I’m using MailMate version 1.13.2 (5673) with Catalina 10.15.6.

Any ideas are welcome. Luckily, I can use my other accounts — 
it’s not ideal to have messages come from the wrong account but it 
works.


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Re: [MlMt] filtering by lists

[Robert Brenstein]

Mail coming from the lists will have that header but not new mails being 
sent by the OP, which is the case if I understood it correctly. One 
might need to create a smart folder with “sent” mailbox as source 
and with “any of the below” condition and a list of to-addresses of 
all mailing lists.


On 9 Sep 2020, at 12:28, Philip Paeps wrote:


On 2020-09-09 00:09:05 (+0800), Evan Silberman wrote:
How might I create a smart folder that catalogs all of my emails sent 
to various mailing lists?


Most mailing lists will set a List-Id header.  You could filter on 
that.


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Re: [MlMt] ]Line-spacing in HTML Mails I'm Sending

[Robert Brenstein]

Are you sure that all your recipients want to see the extra spacing in 
their emails? It reduces the amount of text visible on smaller screens, 
for example. If formatting is essential for your deliveries, you can 
send them as PDF files.


On 30 Jul 2020, at 1:50, Steve Holyer wrote:


Want to nudge this.

Can someone tell me how to adjust the outgoing template (css) to 
change the line-spacing on the html portion of outgoing mail?


Thanks!
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Re: [MlMt] Don't include "source" in general search results

[Robert Brenstein]

Since “all messages” is a special mailbox, I’d not try to change 
it in any way. I’d created “almost all messages” smart mailbox 
which uses “all messages” as source and subtracts messages in your 
source-to-be-excluded. Then, you can use that mailbox as the source for 
other smart mailboxes.


On 21 Jul 2020, at 16:28, Marc ARC wrote:


Hello,

Since there is a “Source” I don’t want to search into ( unless I 
really want to look there ),
I think it’s best to retrieve/eliminate this Source from all 
messages.


I can do this for specific mailboxes within this source but I can’t 
seem to figure out how to do it for the entire source.


I tried the following:

 [Source > Path > Noinbox] [is not in] [Mailbox of SourceName] [Source 
 > Path > Noinbox]

works fine but I don’t want to specify every mailbox in there.


 [Source > Path > Noinbox] [is not in] [SourceName] [Source > Path > 
Noinbox]

Doesn’t seem to work, and neither all alternatives I tried

Any ideas welcome

Thanks in advance,



Marc

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Re: [MlMt] search for messages with attachments

[Robert Brenstein]

Have you looked at the extended list of message attributes? If I search 
for attach, I see attachment-count and x-has-attach which sound like 
possibilities for you. Except that you would need to use a smart 
mailbox. But you could have such a smart mailbox picking up msg only 
with attachments as a submailbox of whatever else and then you would use 
the toolbar search for finding the specific message.


On 14 Jul 2020, at 15:22, Carlos Moffat wrote:


Thanks, Arnau.

I think A works if I’m looking for a particular filename (say PDF). 
But is there a way to search for “mails from John Smith that have an 
attachment”? Sounds like the answer is no.


Carlos

On 14 Jul 2020, at 2:34, Arnau Rebassa wrote:


Hi Carlos,

If I’m not wrong you can use A .

Cheers!

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Re: [MlMt] Export and save

[Robert Brenstein]

Mail Archiver X is another option

On 1 Jun 2020, at 10:52, aisrael wrote:

I know this has been treated repeatedly, but I can’t seem to find 
the relevant information : if my emails are deleted from the server 
(when I retire for example), how can I save all my mailboxes/emails 
locally (or on a server) in a searchable form, that would include the 
attachments?


I seem to remember there were commercial apps that can do that, but I 
don’t find the right info.


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Re: [MlMt] Delayed sending not working

[Robert Brenstein]

Yes, if you configured MM correctly, any new message you create should 
have the field “Send later” pre-filled with the value you set 
(converted to minutes). You may use an app “Prefs Editor 2” to see 
the settings in the plist file more comfortably. As others pointed out, 
remember to make any edits of this file only when MM is not running.


Robert

On 29 May 2020, at 16:11, Evan Silberman wrote:


Robert,

I have the “Send later” header. If I configured delay sending 
correctly, should it have a default value (e.g., 3 minutes)?





Evan Silberman
646-460-5354
EdD Candidate, Higher Ed Administration
NYU Steinhardt

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Re: [MlMt] delayed sending not working

[Robert Brenstein]

The settings are only the defaults that are used when a new message is 
created. You should see them in the “Send Later” field. With your 
settings, you should see there “3 minutes”. If you don’t, then 
your commands did not take for some reason.


On 28 May 2020, at 16:54, Evan Silberman wrote:


Hi,
I enabled the delay sending as per hidden preferences. However, when I 
send a message, it does not show in my drafts folder. It sends 
immediately.


I used this command:
defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmSendMessageDelayEnabled -bool YES

I set the delay:
defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmSendMessageDelay -integer 180

I made the warning conditional:
defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmSendLaterWarningLimitEnabled 
-bool YES


I did this and restarted the mail mate client.

What am I missing? Is this a premium feature, or should it work on a 
trial version (which I have right now)?




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Re: [MlMt] AltaMail vs. Preside?

[Robert Brenstein]

On 16 May 2020, at 17:40, Randall Gellens wrote:

Just as an aside, you write "MailMate isn’t 'pretty.' Its interface 
is busy and dated-looking"  I am thoroughly sick of sleek and 
modern-looking interfaces that range from utterly useless to 
user-vicious.  It seems that every major web site and app has 
"modernized" their interface, making them clean, pretty, lots of empty 
space and pictures, at the cost of being able to see or do anything.


--Randall



I concur that it is a bit unfair to call MM’s interface not pretty, 
busy and dated-looking. It is somewhat simplistic but optimized for 
displaying as much as possible of email data and email content, not for 
visual beauty, which is one of the reasons power mail users are drawn to 
it. May be you could rephrase it in such more positive terms.


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Re: [MlMt] [Date] in Conditions & Rules

[Robert Brenstein]

I get most reliable results with date-received. I mostly use it to test 
receiving within so many days.


On 17 May 2020, at 12:07, Marc ARC wrote:


Hello,

Does anybody know what info MM uses for the Date variable in the Rules 
and Conditions ?


Date_Received of Date_Send ?

I thought Date_Received, but since I’m getting unexpected behaviour 
using Date conditions, I’m starting to wonder if I’m 
misinterpreting things


Anybody seen similar behaviour ?


Thanks


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Re: [MlMt] Mail drop capable?

[Robert Brenstein]

There are several such services. I personally use pcloud transfer 
(https://transfer.pcloud.com). If you use dropbox and have enough space, 
you can also put files into dropbox and send the link to the file.


On 3 May 2020, at 17:48, Bill Cropper via mailmate wrote:

Can Mailmate be setup to use Apple’s [Mail 
Drop](https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203093) feature?  Are there 
other methods to send large attachments other than Mail Drop?


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Re: [MlMt] What does the "limit at start of month" option do?

[Robert Brenstein]

That the results will be displayed only once a month (first day of each 
new month). If you want to use it, you may prefer to switch to counting 
weeks or even days, depending how often you want to see the change.


On 31 Mar 2020, at 7:48, Chris Frederick wrote:


Hey everyone,

When using a Smart Mailbox condition like "Date-Received is within 
last 1 months", the pop-up menu for "is within last" contains an 
option named "Limit at start of month". What exactly does this option 
do?


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Re: [MlMt] how not to organize by thread?

[Robert Brenstein]

On 23 Mar 2020, at 16:06, Shoshanna Green wrote:


On 23 Mar 2020, at 10:07, Denis Ricard via mailmate wrote:

I do not want ‘Organize by thread’. I’m not sure why by 
Mailmate always opens with ‘Organize by thread’ selected. I 
uncheck it, by it doesn’t keep between relaunch. I’ve looked in 
the prefs and I haven’t found where I can set this option.


If anyone can help me set this I’d appreciate.


I don't want it either, and I couldn't stop MailMate from doing it. I 
ended up creating a Keyboard Maestro macro to automatically deselect 
Organize by Thread in MailMate's View menu every time the MailMate 
viewer window activates.


In which layout is this issue?

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Re: [MlMt] DRAFTS issues with MailMate and Protonmail

[Robert Brenstein]

Have you checked whether one of the mailboxes in your IMAP account has a 
checkmark for type “draft”? Maybe that setting got lost.


On 13 Mar 2020, at 15:15, Thomas Baker wrote:


To be precise, the message I get is:

MailMate encountered the following error: “Server response: 
“M4 NO
mailbox Drafts does not exist”. Command attempted: “M4 
SUBSCRIBE

Drafts”.”.  Mailbox: “Drafts”.
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Re: [MlMt] Different Sorting per folder?

[Robert Brenstein]

Any folder using default columns will follow whatever the default 
setting is. However, you can change columns and sort for any folder and 
MM will remember that.


On 24 Feb 2020, at 7:29, RHPT wrote:

When I change the sort on one folder it changes the sorting for all 
folders. Is it possible for each folder to have its own sorting? For 
example, I would like my Inbox to be sorted oldest-to-newest but for 
the Trash and Sent Mail sorted newest-to-oldest.




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Re: [MlMt] Version 1.13.1 (5671) crashing more and more

[Robert Brenstein]

On 4 Feb 2020, at 15:25, Charlie Clark wrote:


On 4 Feb 2020, at 15:02, Robert Brenstein wrote:

5676 is a bit more stable under El Capitan than earlier version but 
still crashes randomly, more even than we care for, and it crashes 
even if user does nothing on the computer.


Okay, then it's best to stick with the last stable release and Benny 
is quite clear on this. Some of us are prepared to put up with the odd 
crash to try new things out, but if I had more than a couple of 
crashes a week, I'd go back to stable as well.


Charlie



I’d like to go to the last stable release but unfortunately that 
version fails to print emails :-( We may go back to 5657 which seemed 
least crash-prone of all the betas I tried.


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Re: [MlMt] Version 1.13.1 (5671) crashing more and more

[Robert Brenstein]

On 4 Feb 2020, at 14:27, Charlie Clark wrote:


On 3 Feb 2020, at 22:21, Eric Sharakan wrote:

I've been having random crashes (usually when expunging mailboxes) 
with several prior versions of MM.  The latest test version (5676) 
seems to have fixed them; it's been rock-solid for me.


Same here. 5676 is much stabler on Mojave than previous betas.

Charlie



5676 is a bit more stable under El Capitan than earlier version but 
still crashes randomly, more even than we care for, and it crashes even 
if user does nothing on the computer.


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Re: [MlMt] When printing emailed invoices => how to not print headers?

[Robert Brenstein]

Thanks for pointing me to the ticket.

On 3 Feb 2020, at 23:38, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Hi,

   I second as well that it would be useful to have the option when 
printing so we can change for any specific email.


I saw [this 
discussion](https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/792-print-without-header) 
where a solution is given by modifying the "stylesheet.css" file, but 
I couldn't make it work…


This solution changes the "stylesheet.css" to remove the headers when 
printing, but I think it would be great to be able to decide while 
printing if we want to keep it or not. So, I'm not sure if it is 
possible to add controls to the print popup dialog since it is a 
native window, but if not, maybe it would be great to add a way to set 
different css files for different print configurations and adding a 
drop-down menu somewhere that would let us choose the css file to be 
used for the now printing document.


Best,

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On 3 Feb 2020, at 17:14, Robert Brenstein wrote:


I second that this would be quite a useful feature.
This would have to be set however not as a preference but be an 
option to set when printing any specific email, me thinks.


Robert

On 1 Feb 2020, at 19:33, Robert M. Münch wrote:

Is there a way how I can avoid that any email headers are printed? I 
just want to print the content.


This would be very useful especially when printing invoices, where 
the email headers don’t help a lot.


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Re: [MlMt] When printing emailed invoices => how to not print headers?

[Robert Brenstein]

I second that this would be quite a useful feature.
This would have to be set however not as a preference but be an option 
to set when printing any specific email, me thinks.


Robert

On 1 Feb 2020, at 19:33, Robert M. Münch wrote:

Is there a way how I can avoid that any email headers are printed? I 
just want to print the content.


This would be very useful especially when printing invoices, where the 
email headers don’t help a lot.


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[MlMt] Version 1.13.1 (5671) crashing more and more

[Robert Brenstein]

Version 1.13.1 (5671) keeps crashing more and more for my wife for no 
apparent reason, that is without any discernible pattern. Anybody else 
seeing that? I stay with version 5657 because newer versions were 
crashing on me too much. I suspect that Benny’s making major code 
changes is the reason, but I wonder whether this is a generic issue or 
something specific to our computers (we run El Capitan for example).


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Re: [MlMt] exclude from AllMessages

[Robert Brenstein]

“All Messages” is a special folder that you probably should not 
change. Move it way down off your way if you do not want to use it and 
create a smart folder using “all messages” as the source minus the 
IMAP account.


On 1 Feb 2020, at 13:21, Marc ARC wrote:


Hello,

How can exclude a whole source/imap account from “All Messages” so 
that Ì’m not searching this source/imap account.
The purpose is that all of the mails part of any of the 
folders/mailboxes part of source are excluded from the MM All_Messages 
standard mailbox



I tried the following

 [Source > Path > Noinbox] [is not in] [SourceName] [Source > Path 
 > Noinbox]


But I can’t seem to make it work. Changing SourceName to a Mailbox 
of SourceName works but I which not to have to specify every mailbox 
in there.


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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Robert Brenstein]

On 31 Jan 2020, at 0:45, Jo wrote:


On 28 Jan 2020, at 7:53, Glenn Parker wrote:

First, a little nomenclature for the new user. What MailMate calls 
the “Account” or “Source” is what I normally call a 
“mailbox”, that is to say the folder hierarchically and messages 
accessed via a particular account on an IMAP server. To me, that 
whole thing is the mailbox. What MailMate calls a “IMAP Mailbox” 
is what I would normally call a “folder”. The core standard for 
IMAP, [RFC 3501](), uses this 
terminology for mailboxes and folders, as does every other IMAP 
client I have used.


OK, bear with me here… (I’ve actually closed my eyes to this whole 
thing for a couple days to see if a clearer head will help) I’m 
looking under Sources. The assorted email accounts that I have are 
listed, with little globe icons. When I expand those, there are little 
folder icons (draft, inbox, junk, sent, trash…if it’s a gmail 
account, drafts becomes [gmail] with its own set up subfolders (folder 
icons - the blue things).


You can then add rules to your INBOX folder that will automatically 
(or manually) move incoming messages to your new Mailbox as they 
arrive. You can add lots of rules for specific email senders, or for 
email from a particular domain, or many other criteria. You can even 
make a rule that recognizes email addresses found in an existing 
Mailbox.


So what you’re saying is all of these little things that look like 
folders to me are the IMAP mailboxes? Are you also saying that I can 
MOVE messages into these mailboxes and they (the messages) will no 
longer appear in any main inbox area? And I can do that by using the 
move command, AND by filtering?


Yes, those globe things under sources are basically mail accounts and 
the folders inside are IMAP mailboxes. As you see from the discussion, 
they are called somewhat differently by different people, often 
following what they are used to from their previous mail clients, hence 
things can get easily confusing. I think of those folders under the 
globes as “physical” mailboxes (trays, folders if you will) for each 
mail account. Each server software has its own default names for them, 
as you noticed. Regardless of the names, there are 5 standard functional 
types as defined by IMAP. If you are not sure which type is a specific 
mailbox, right click on it and scroll down the menu to “mailbox 
type” - if a given mailbox is a standard mailbox, it will have a 
checkmark in front of its type. If there is no checkmark, it is a 
generic (user- or service-created) mailbox.


You can move messages between IMAP mailboxes using menus, icons on top 
of the window, or drag and drop. You can also set up action rules in 
smart mailboxes. Many people however leave all mail that is not spam or 
archive or trash in the inbox. You can create as many smart mailboxes as 
you need to group/filter your mails the way you need to handle them. 
Smart mailboxes are purely virtual and are just filtered or unfiltered 
views into one or more IMAP mailboxes. They can also use other smart 
mailboxes as the reference.


For example, I have a smart mailbox for each of my mailings lists. All 
of them sit inside of a smart mailbox that combines them all together 
into a all-mailing-lists mailbox. For some mailing lists, I have 
additional smart mailbox with suffix “new” which shows me only last 
so many days of unread mails from given list by doing additional 
filtering on the main mailing list mailbox. All the “new” mailboxes 
sit inside “mailing lists new” mailbox that combines all new 
messages together. For a few mailing lists, I have also a smart mailbox 
with suffix “recent” which shows me all mails, read and unread, that 
came within past so many days. For really busy lists (where I do not 
bother to read all), I also have a smart mailbox with suffix “old” 
to show me messages older than defined threshold, so I can trash them.


These are just a few examples of taking advantage of the smart folders. 
The beauty is that you can change, add, remove them as needed and the 
actual messages sit the same all the time and you can still go to combo 
inbox and search it for whatever if you are not sure where the message 
is.


If you read older threads, you will notice references to a zero-inbox. 
It is usually a smart mailbox that refers to the combined inbox 
subtracting mails shown in select smart folders. In other words, what is 
shown in it is the stuff that is not shown elsewhere. You process the 
messages in this mailbox by either putting them into spam, trash, 
archive, or amending one of smart mailboxes to include them. At the end 
of the day, you should (ideally) have that mailbox empty, hence its 
name. In POP world, you achieved the same by moving messages from inbox 
to other mailboxes/folders. My zero-inbox for example, excludes the 
smart mailbox combining all mailing lists, so I never see any mailing 
list posts in my “incoming mail”.

Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Robert Brenstein]

On 28 Jan 2020, at 19:25, Jo wrote:


On 28 Jan 2020, at 5:11, Eric Sharakan wrote:

Create an Inbox rule that moves emails to one specific, pre-existing 
IMAP mailbox. Then setup another "rule" attached to that mailbox with 
no actual rules, but the settings to creates virtual submailboxes 
based on the sender's name. This way, you get the sorting by sender's 
name and the moving of the messages out of your inbox.


Does that make sense?


It almost makes sense. The problem I’m having is wrapping my head 
around IMAP in general, I think. I have been almost exclusively using 
POP for so many years now.


So is a ‘pre-existing IMAP mailbox’ one that is for a specific 
email address? Is it in the Sources area? There are so MANY mailboxes 
here it’s very confusing. Of course I have a half dozen email 
addresses in play, so it’s my own fault.


Jo


I used to use Eudora and POP for ever and ever, so when I switched to 
MailMate and IMAP, it took some mental effort and head scratching to 
adjust. My suggestion is that you embrace the IMAP paradigm rather than 
sticking to POP style. It took me some physical effort to set all up but 
it was well worth it and the effort was mostly only during the initial 
setup. In practical terms, I suggest that you learn to use the smart 
mailboxes that MailMate offers and do not or only minimally use 
additional real folder/mailboxes in your IMAP account. A lot more power 
and flexibility to gain over time. Focus more on creating an optimal 
mail workflow than recreating your previous setup.


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Re: [MlMt] removing forwarding symbol ">"

[Robert Brenstein]

You can decrease the indentation level through the format menu in the 
forwarded msg or you can use edit as new msg from the message menu to 
create a new message (instead of using forward). Each has pluses and 
minuses depending on what you really what to achieve.


On 26 Jan 2020, at 20:42, Ken Pope wrote:

When I forward a message, there is a vertical row of the forwarding 
symbol “>” along the left margin.


Is there any way I can adjust the settings so that when I forward a 
message, it will forward the message without those symbols?


Thanks in advance for your help with this.

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Re: [MlMt] Handling project-based e-mails

[Robert Brenstein]

The real inbox is not smart. It is a proper IMAP mailbox. Create a smart 
mailbox called for example INCOMING and set to to inbox sans exclusion 
folders. Move inbox down the list out of way and use Incoming instead.


On 23 Dec 2019, at 9:52, Charlie Clark wrote:


On 23 Dec 2019, at 0:57, Robert Brenstein wrote:

Smart folders can do such exclusions easily. You just use the “not 
in the folder” condition on the mailboxes tab.


Right, but I want this other way round. I want to exclude stuff that 
is in a Smart Folder from being shown in my Inbox. At the moment I 
don't think this is possible and am beginning to think that I should 
probably set up rule-based project mailboxes and add smart folders to 
them. It seems to me that this involves possible redundancy in setting 
up the rules and viewing conditions.


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Re: [MlMt] Handling project-based e-mails

[Robert Brenstein]

Smart folders can do such exclusions easily. You just use the “not in 
the folder” condition on the mailboxes tab.


On 22 Dec 2019, at 12:04, Charlie Clark wrote:

I suspect that I'm going to have to do something like this but, with a 
little more support from MailMate, I'd be much happier. For example, 
it would be really nice to have some way of easily excluding mails 
from mailboxes that have already been filtered.


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Re: [MlMt] Recover accidentally deleted emails in TRASH by change date possible?

[Robert Brenstein]

https://talk.tidbits.com/t/ios-13-2-delete-all-in-junk-folder-actually-deletes-inbox-messages/10131

On 6 Dec 2019, at 23:16, Michael Nietzold wrote:

That's interesting - I assumed it was my dumb error while selecting 
all mails in the wrong folder and then deleting it.


I used Apple Mail on iOS ( on macOS only MailMate)

Do you have some keywords to search for this bug or a link?

Thank you



Von meinem iDingens gesendet...

Am 06.12.2019 um 19:32 schrieb Robert Brenstein 
:



What you describe is a known bug in the new Apple Mail app.
It was discussed extensively on Tidbits recently among others.

On 6 Dec 2019, at 8:21, Michael Nietzold wrote:

Hi,

In iPhone Apple Mail I was in my spam folder. Deleted manually bad 
mails. selected by "select all" some remaining mails, at first i was 
about to move them out of the spam folder, but the I remembered they 
are moved to spam by my IMAP server and then I hit delete this 
emails.


路‍♂️ but somehow this deleted also many Mails from my INBOX 
 I don't know why 


Now I have many 5k-10k mails in the trash folder  (normal deleted 
time before and the just now deleted) but I don't like to go through 
all of them manually.


My last chance is using my MailMate to solve this. But I am not at my 
Mac just now :(


Here are my questions:
- I there a way to distinct the mails I deleted just now?
- there are some IMAP header with the time of deletion or a last 
change date?


Any help would be nice to read

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Re: [MlMt] Recover accidentally deleted emails in TRASH by change date possible?

[Robert Brenstein]

What you describe is a known bug in the new Apple Mail app.
It was discussed extensively on Tidbits recently among others.

On 6 Dec 2019, at 8:21, Michael Nietzold wrote:


Hi,

In iPhone Apple Mail I was in my spam folder. Deleted manually bad 
mails. selected by "select all" some remaining mails, at first i was 
about to move them out of the spam folder, but the I remembered they 
are moved to spam by my IMAP server and then I hit delete this emails.


路‍♂️ but somehow this deleted also many Mails from my INBOX 
 I don't know why 


Now I have many 5k-10k mails in the trash folder  (normal deleted 
time before and the just now deleted) but I don't like to go through 
all of them manually.


My last chance is using my MailMate to solve this. But I am not at my 
Mac just now :(


Here are my questions:
- I there a way to distinct the mails I deleted just now?
- there are some IMAP header with the time of deletion or a last 
change date?


Any help would be nice to read

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Re: [MlMt] Export / Import settings

[Robert Brenstein]

On 27 Nov 2019, at 12:42, Niall O'Reilly wrote:


On 27 Nov 2019, at 7:32, Stephan Bösebeck wrote:

I wonder if there is a way to have settings (not only keybindings, 
also smart folders etc) synchronized over to the other mac? Or ex- 
and import those settings somehow?


This is something I’ld also like to see.


This has been discussed in the past. Sync is not available but you can 
copy the plist files to transfer the config to another computer.


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Re: [MlMt] Print Dialog Stopped Working with Version 1.13 (5665)

[Robert Brenstein]

You get the alpha builds by holding the option key while checking for 
updates.
I know for fact that 5662 could print under El Capitan but we backrolled 
to 5657 because it crashes less frequently.
We haven’t tried builds newer as 5662, but if the printing dialog does 
not show, it is either a bug or Benny removed the printing code for 
older systems again. This was discussed on this list not so long ago.


Robert

On 20 Nov 2019, at 18:28, Denis Ricard via mailmate wrote:

Same here. I’m guessing these are folks downloading alpha 
versions. 


On 20 Nov 2019, at 12:24, Richard Rettke wrote:

The latest version available when I request an update (including 
Beta) is Version 1.13 (5655). It is working fine in regards to 
printing. I do not and have not seen a version 5665.


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On 20 Nov 2019, at 11:17, Marc 
ARC [mailm...@arcict.com]() wrote:



Issue confirmed on MacOS 10.12.6 with MM build 5665


 Regards,

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Re: [MlMt] Print Dialog Stopped Working with Version 1.13 (5665)

[Robert Brenstein]

I hope that Benny keeps decides to keep the old printing code in the 
next public release. I know that maintaining two sets of printing codes 
is a bit of a headache but IMHO many people will affected.


On 20 Nov 2019, at 3:34, Melton Low wrote:


Downgraded to 5655 and the print dialog appeared again.

Forwarded message:


From: Melton Low 
To: MailMate Users 
Subject: Print Dialog Stopped Working with Version 1.13 (5665)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 17:10:00 -0700

Hi,

I am wondering if anyone else experiencing this. With today's update 
to Version 1.13 (5665), Command-P or clicking the printer icon in the 
toolbar no longer activate the print dialog.


macOS 10.15.1

Mel

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Re: [MlMt] sync bug

[Robert Brenstein]

Both me and my wife see that a few times a year on our accounts which 
are using office365 service. Nowhere else. Benny or someone else 
explained that once on the list. It is a server-side issue, a reset of 
some sort. It might be happening for all mail clients but not all report 
it.


On 18 Nov 2019, at 19:59, Lipman, Barton L wrote:

I have had this happen many times.  MailMate seems to pay attention to 
more details than many email clients so that mail servers that are a 
bit erratic can drive it crazy.  (Not a scientific explanation, I 
know, but I don't understand these issues well.)


If your situation is the same as mine, it won't happen every time you 
launch MailMate but might happen a couple or three times a year.


Bart


On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 1:44 PM, Alain Israel 
mailto:aisr...@pasteur.fr>> wrote:


This weekend when I launched Mailmate, I got the following warning
(attached). All my mailboxes (and I have a great number) got 
desynchronized, and take forever (and even more) to resynchronize (and 
I suspect I will get the same problem the next time I launch 
Mailmate).


What is the best solution to solve the problem? Reinstall Mailmate? 
Anything else?


My other mail clients seem to work OK.

Importantly, the same problem happened when I opened Mailmate on 2 
different computers.


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Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?

[Robert Brenstein]

If you are talking about mailing lists, I find it better to have 
separate mail account for each major list and another account for 
smaller lists. That way, I do not only have server-side structure as you 
call it but can decide which lists I want to have (or not) on any 
specific device. It is also a tad easier to set up smart mailboxes in MM 
since I can simply reference the source account.


On 12 Nov 2019, at 22:16, Andreas Borutta wrote:


* I prefer the server side structure, because I can use on every
client, because it synchronizes.

Andreas
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Re: [MlMt] MM crashing

[Robert Brenstein]

I backrolled to 5657 as 5662 was crashing every couple hours. 5657 
crashes a lot less.


On 6 Nov 2019, at 15:00, Eric Sharakan wrote:

Hi, I'm now at r5662 and still experiencing these crashes 
intermittently, always at the time I request an expunge operation.


I noticed recently that the popup after selecting re-open after the 
crash now states that diagnostic information is being sent to 
freron.com rather than macromates.com(?), so hopefully Benny is 
getting them.


Thanks.

-Eric

On 14 Oct 2019, at 11:51, Eric Sharakan wrote:

I've started experiencing intermittent crashes of MailMate, since 
upgrading to r5656. I've had 3 crashes, and at least on two of them, 
it was soon after requesting a mailbox be expunged.


This sounds strangely familiar; I'm pretty sure I had a very similar 
crashing issue to this some months back, so this could be a 
regression in the latest version.


I'm running MacOS 10.14.6.

Thanks.

-Eric

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Re: [MlMt] Relaxing the definition of a "correspondent" to deal with certain mailing lists.

[Robert Brenstein]

I use the “search for related messages” function to get alternative 
aggregation (double-click or shift-double-click, depending on your 
preference setting, on subject or sender). The scope you define my 
choosing an appropriate mailbox.


There are unfortunately too many inconsistencies and varied preferences 
in the mailing systems and list setups to have nice working automatic 
aggregations.


On 31 Oct 2019, at 6:17, Scott wrote:


Hi,

I've recently been making increased use of the View -> Layout -> 
Correspondence way of viewing mail in MailMate as the extra panel 
provides some great context as to previous conversations with the same 
person/email address.


However, like no doubt many of you, I'm a member of many mailing 
lists, as well as ticketing systems, which try to regularise email 
addresses for all sent mail to be from the mailing list itself 
(usually to avoid things like SPF/DMARC/DKIM/etc blocks).


This means that MailMate does its skull-insertion to highlight that 
the email address appears potentially inconsistent.


For example:

From: "usern...@hotmail.com" 

And on MailMate, the first @ is the skull.

The problem is that this also seems to break the Correspondence view.  
Either I get no results, or, I get a plethora of results for 
email-l...@company.net, or, weirdly, something in between.


What I don't get is what I get in this view when the email is merely:

From:  "Jayne Q. Rhubarb" 

What I would like is for MailMate to act a bit more like Mail.app in 
this regard?  It seems to be able to recognise "conversations" based 
upon the combination of the "friendly name" and the <> proper address.


Is there a way to do this in MailMate?  Some way to see the whole From 
header as the thing to base a correspondent's identity on?


Or is there another solution I've not thought of here (that doesn't 
require me changing every mailing list and ticketing system on the 
planet to suit my needs)?


Thanks,

Scott

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Re: [MlMt] Finger slip deleted a mailbox - how recover?

[Robert Brenstein]

On 1 Apr 2019, at 14:33, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 27 Mar 2019, at 10:23, Marc ARC wrote:

But I do accept the premise that the consequences of an 
unintentional move can be a big problem. I think it might be best if 
I simply added some kind of “are you sure” warning when moving 
IMAP mailboxes. Naturally, that should include an option to suppress 
it. Something similar already exists for deleting IMAP mailboxes.


What about this alternatives ?

- when somebody wants to drag a message “ to move please hold alt 
“

Or
- when somebody wants to drag a message “ to move please activate 
blabla “
- “Enable edit mode for mailboxes” which could sit in the menu 
and desactivates it self after xx minutes


I could perhaps imagine an edit mode, but I don't think automatic 
deactivation would work well.


The more I think about it, I think a warning is the best way to go. 
It'll solve the problem of accidental moves and it'll give me an 
opportunity to warn about the consequences of moving mailboxes. I 
don't think most users realize how inefficiently this is handled when 
using multiple email clients configured with the same IMAP account (a 
recent [RFC](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8474) tries to solve this 
problem, but that'll only be a theoretical solution for the 
foreseeable future).


--
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Sorry for resurrecting an old thread, but, over past few months, I have 
managed to drop some mailboxes into other mailboxes, mostly not even 
being aware of when and how I did it, just noticing that suddenly one of 
the top-level mailboxes is missing. It just happened again last week and 
now today. So yes, apparently I need some protection from myself ;-)


I would vote for having to hold some (modifier) key down when 
rearranging mailboxes, whichever key Benny thinks is appropriate. 
Accidental moves when both hands are requires will be rare. Warning 
dialogs might be too disruptive (warning upon deletion is required - 
that is a different case). Edit mode seems to me an overkill. Holdin a 
key with one hand while rearranging mailboxes using the mouse in the 
other hand seems only a small deviation from current operation. Of 
course, users should be able to toggle this on and off since some might 
not be able to do two-hand manipulations or may simply do not want such 
a protection.


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[MlMt] default header

[Robert Brenstein]

I think this is one of those idiosyncrasies with headers in list views 
that Benny speaks of on the list.


The combo-inbox is set to show a submailbox for each account. Inbox 
itself shows correct columns, the default set; however, submailboxes do 
not inherit that and have different columns, although the header config 
popup shows that the default set is selected.


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Re: [MlMt] Weird annoyance

[Robert Brenstein]

For people who do not feel secure editing raw prefs files, I can 
recommend “Prefs Editor 2” app. Editing prefs is safe as long as 
MailMate is not running. You may also try to reposition and resize 
window then quit and relaunch MM or the same plus fill out and save then 
quit and relaunch. MM should at some point write the new position into 
the prefs file.


On 18 Oct 2019, at 14:02, Tobias Jung wrote:

In my experience in cases like this, it often helps to delete the 
preferences file.
However, yo do lose ALL the settings then which is usually not very 
pleasant.


So let me suggest another approach.
Download PrefsEditor
http://apps.tempel.org/PrefsEditor/index.php

After you’ve opened the app, open the file 
com.freron.MailMate.plist.

Look for the key "NSWindow Frame MMComposer".
In my case, the corresponding value is "734 146 722 760 0 0 1920 
1057". The first four figures seem to be related to x- and y-position, 
width and height.
They do no match exactly here. I guess for example, counting the 
y-position start below macOS’s menu line (which makes sense). The 
height value is somewhat smaller than the actual window height (33px).


I guess modifying these values will do the trick
BUT!!!
Please don’t do it until someone here confirmed it’s a safe thing 
to do. I don’t know if this really works and I’d hate to be 
responsible if this screws up you preference file.


For the moment, you at least can look at those values and see if they 
correspond to your composer window’s position and size.


Hope this helps,
Tobias Jung



On 18 Oct 2019, at 13:32, Annamarie Pluhar wrote:

Well after quite a few tries at this - MM now open the new draft pane 
in the middle of my screen but it is still quite narrow….



Annamarie Pluhar
802-451-1941
802-579-5975 (iPhone - not good when I'm at my desk.)

On 18 Oct 2019, at 7:20, Edward Thome wrote:

I am not sure why that would have started, but now it might of that 
as the
default. The next time that you move and resize the window, 
immediately
close the window and open a new one. If that one is also skinny and 
to the
side, relocate and resize it and then close it and open a new 
window.
Usually (on a Mac) doing that once will reset the default window 
size and
position as long as you close the window before it is used in any 
way.


All the best,
Ed




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On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 5:08 AM, Annamarie Pluhar <
annamarie.plu...@gmail.com> wrote:

Not quite. I took a screen shot: Link here

See how the new window is way over to the right and narrow?

I always move it into the middle and widen it. But this has been 
going on

for some days now.

Never seen this before and I’ve been a MM user for 6? 8? Years.

Annamarie

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On 17 Oct 2019, at 22:27, Michael Nietzold wrote:

Maybe that's the preview window?

When i write a mesage text and then MM see it can be an Markdown 
then MM

open a preview window under the message box

Von meinem iDingens gesendet...

Am 18.10.2019 um 04:12 schrieb John Cooper 
:


Move it somewhere else?

Mine always open wherever the last message window was when it 
closed.


Annamarie Pluhar wrote (at 17:57 on 17 Oct 2019):

Somehow - I don’t know how or why - MM has decided that when I 
want to
write an email it opens up a little skinny window on the right side 
of my

screen. How do I correct this behavior?

Any ideas?
Thanks


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Re: [MlMt] MM crashing

[Robert Brenstein]

I am getting intermittent crashes since I upgraded to version 5657. No 
crashes in 5656 for me. There is no pattern to those crashes, though (by 
printing, by sending, by switching). I am sending stacktrace to Benny as 
well, in case it helps him to track this down.


Robert

On 17 Oct 2019, at 10:18, Charlie Clark wrote:


On 14 Oct 2019, at 17:51, Eric Sharakan wrote:

I've started experiencing intermittent crashes of MailMate, since 
upgrading to r5656. I've had 3 crashes, and at least on two of them, 
it was soon after requesting a mailbox be expunged.


This sounds strangely familiar; I'm pretty sure I had a very similar 
crashing issue to this some months back, so this could be a 
regression in the latest version.


I've had a couple of crashes too. The stacktrace was sent to Benny so 
I hope he'll be able to make sense of it. If not, the best thing for 
crashes is to open a ticket.


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Re: [MlMt] Version 5655 fails to print

[Robert Brenstein]

Anyone experiencing this may want to join the ticket
https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/2406-version-5655-cant-print-messages

On 14 Oct 2019, at 20:23, Marc De Roover wrote:


Update

5656 fails to print on 10.11.6

Marc

On 7 Oct 2019, at 14:45, Robert Brenstein wrote:

After upgrading to Version 1.13 (5655), I can’t seem to print 
individual messages. Selecting Print keeps the File menu highlighted 
for a moment but the print dialog does not show up. The Page Setup 
dialog shows up normally, when the menu item is selected. Anyone else 
sees the same?


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Re: [MlMt] MailMate slowness?!

[Robert Brenstein]

You may want to file a bug ticket, so this can be tracked.

On 14 Oct 2019, at 18:39, Angelo Machils via mailmate wrote:

It seems to be linked to HTML/MD support. I found a few more settings, 
disabling all HTML/MD/preview support and then everything I noticed as 
lagging/slow is now ‘snappy’. Not ideal, but at least more 
useable. Let’s hope this gets fixed soon :)



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Re: [MlMt] MailMate slowness?!

[Robert Brenstein]

Yes, I meant 1.12.5
Too bad you upgrade macOS to Catalina. 1.12.5 works on Mojave but 
Catalina needs 1.13 AFAIK.


On 14 Oct 2019, at 16:39, Angelo Machils via mailmate wrote:


Hello,

On 14 Oct 2019, at 17:29, Robert Brenstein wrote:


Have you tried going back to previous public release?


I think 5655 (1.13) is/was the latest stable/public release and I 
installed that first and noticed the lagginess/slowness. This was on 
Mojave. Then I upgraded to Catalina, still the same issue. Complete 
fresh install of Catalina and still the same.
Only as a (final) test, I tried the latest beta release. So I can’t 
really see what going back would accomplish. Or do you mean the 
version before 5655 (1.13)? That would be 1.12.5 and according to the 
site, that one is not supported.



Regards,

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Re: [MlMt] MailMate slowness?!

[Robert Brenstein]

Have you tried going back to previous public release?

On 14 Oct 2019, at 15:54, Angelo Machils via mailmate wrote:

My email number is nowhere near such an amount (about 2000 in total 
across 3 different G Suite/Gmail accounts). I have set everything now 
to ‘plain text’, so no MD preview and the reply just plain text, 
but alas, no change. Even without the preview, I type faster than 
I’m seeing the characters appear. It’s also not like the message 
I’m replying to is so large. It’s not like it’s unworkable, but 
it’s also far from pleasant :)
Updating to the latest beta release (5656) from the latest stable 
(5655 I think) also doesn’t change anything.



Regards,

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Re: [MlMt] MailMate slowness?!

[Robert Brenstein]

Just to add a point: I am using MM on Mac mini (Late 2014) with 16GB RAM 
under El Capitan handling just over 100k emails with 20 sources and ca 
60 smart mailboxes. It works as expected, with no delays that I notice.


On 12 Oct 2019, at 8:20, Angelo Machils via mailmate wrote:


Hello,

After a while of not using a Mac, I just got a secondhand MB Air 
(2015) and of course installed MailMate. I have had a (very) similar 
machine before, but I can’t really remember if MailMate was so slow 
on that as well. For example, if I click the reply button or type 
COM-R, it takes about 3-4 seconds for the window to show, sometimes I 
even see the spinning ball. 3-4 Seconds don’t seem that long but 
with the stock Mail application, the window appears instantly.
Also, when typing with MD preview, I actually type faster than the 
characters appear on the screen, also in the text window. Something I 
haven’t seen since the days of a serial terminal :) None of my other 
applications seems so slow/sluggish.


I understand my system is far from being a powerhouse, but I never 
considered MM to be a ‘heavy’ application.



Regards,

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Re: [MlMt] How to search for unread mails?

[Robert Brenstein]

The pedestrian way is to select Inbox and press ctrl-alt-cmd-f to 
activate mailbox search. It opens with the default search on from, so 
you just need to enter the sender address, then click the plus button on 
the far-right end of that line. A new search line opens. Change From to 
Tags/Keyword in the popup. It defaults to searching for read messages. 
Change “include” to “do not include” and you are done.


On 11 Oct 2019, at 16:29, Glenn Parker wrote:


One quick and easy way:

Enter “f *sender*” into the search bar, then (if necessary) 
display the Read column and click its the column header to sort by 
read/unread state.  All unread messages will be grouped at the top (or 
bottom) of the list.


On 11 Oct 2019, at 3:47, Robert M. Münch wrote:

I want to search all unread emails from a sender. How to do this 
without creating a mailbox?


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Re: [MlMt] coloring advice

[Robert Brenstein]

could the double hash be a problem?

On 10 Oct 2019, at 17:27, Xebar Saram wrote:

> Hi all
>
> i used the excellent hidden pref guide to color my mails based on
> source. Here is the current plist file:
> /Users/zeltak/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Styles.plist
>
>
> {   styles = (
> {   type = mailbox;
> color = "#00";
>   // fontStyle = "bold";
> uuid = 'INBOX:ikloog%40gmail@imap.gmail.com';
> },
> {   type = mailbox;
> color = "#1C3B91";
>   //  fontStyle = "bold";
> uuid = 'INBOX:mssmcampus%5ckloog...@imap.mssm.edu';
> },
>
> {   type = keyword;
> keyword = 'Unread';
>color = "##FF2D00";
>fontStyle = "bold";
> },
> );
> }
>
> the color per uuid mailbox works great. What i cant figure out is how to
> mark unread mails with bold and color. That dosent seem to work. Can anyone
> look at my current code in the plist file and tell me what im missing?
>
> best
>
> Z


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Re: [MlMt] Version 5655 fails to print

[Robert Brenstein]

We were using the last public version, me thinks. I haven’t noted the 
version before upgrading.


On 8 Oct 2019, at 21:47, Marc ARC wrote:


Robert,

The 2 issues aren’t linked.

We noticed the printing issue already some time ago.

What version of MM were you at before ? Do you try the “beta” 
versions ?


Regards,


Marc

On 8 Oct 2019, at 15:46, Robert Brenstein wrote:


El Capitan 10.11.6
The problem occurs on two different computers, a Mac mini and a 
MacBook Pro.

It started after the upgrade.
I just upgraded another computer, a MacBook Pro running High Sierra 
10.13.6, and here printing works fine after the upgrade.


I wonder whether the problem could have to do with the upgrade 
process. The upgrade failed to relaunch - the dialog told me that MM 
would relaunch now, a new icon opened on the bar but went away and 
the old version remained open, with the dialog about relaunching. 
After manual quit and reopen, the newer version was active.


Robert

On 7 Oct 2019, at 17:17, Marc ARC wrote:


Robert,

Which version of MacOS are you on?

OK with
10.11.6
10.12.6

Issue confirmed with
10.10.5

Regards,

Marc

On 7 Oct 2019, at 14:45, Robert Brenstein wrote:

After upgrading to Version 1.13 (5655), I can’t seem to print 
individual messages. Selecting Print keeps the File menu 
highlighted for a moment but the print dialog does not show up. The 
Page Setup dialog shows up normally, when the menu item is 
selected. Anyone else sees the same?


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Re: [MlMt] Version 5655 fails to print

[Robert Brenstein]

El Capitan 10.11.6
The problem occurs on two different computers, a Mac mini and a MacBook 
Pro.

It started after the upgrade.
I just upgraded another computer, a MacBook Pro running High Sierra 
10.13.6, and here printing works fine after the upgrade.


I wonder whether the problem could have to do with the upgrade process. 
The upgrade failed to relaunch - the dialog told me that MM would 
relaunch now, a new icon opened on the bar but went away and the old 
version remained open, with the dialog about relaunching. After manual 
quit and reopen, the newer version was active.


Robert

On 7 Oct 2019, at 17:17, Marc ARC wrote:


Robert,

Which version of MacOS are you on?

OK with
10.11.6
10.12.6

Issue confirmed with
10.10.5

Regards,

Marc

On 7 Oct 2019, at 14:45, Robert Brenstein wrote:

After upgrading to Version 1.13 (5655), I can’t seem to print 
individual messages. Selecting Print keeps the File menu highlighted 
for a moment but the print dialog does not show up. The Page Setup 
dialog shows up normally, when the menu item is selected. Anyone else 
sees the same?


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Re: [MlMt] filter/smart folder by 'state'

[Robert Brenstein]

The mails are most likely send only once. I see that always with 
Office365 server where one of my accounts resides. Benny, I think, 
explained the technical reason for two entries in the Send mailbox a 
while ago.


On 4 Oct 2019, at 20:05, Jason Davies wrote:


Hi everyone

Short version: Is there a way to create a rule or smart mailbox for 
things via the 'state' column's information?


Long version: for reasons we can't avoid, I end up with duplicate 
outgoing mails. The only discernible difference is that one says 'Sent 
via [my address]', visible if I select 'state' in the Column view. But 
I can find no way to use this; even clicking on the heading doesn't 
sort them by 'state'.


The list of criteria for rules has various things for 'state' but 
they're all specific to other things. Is there a way to automatically 
get these messages?


Cheers,

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[MlMt] Version 5655 fails to print

[Robert Brenstein]

After upgrading to Version 1.13 (5655), I can’t seem to print 
individual messages. Selecting Print keeps the File menu highlighted for 
a moment but the print dialog does not show up. The Page Setup dialog 
shows up normally, when the menu item is selected. Anyone else sees the 
same?


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Re: [MlMt] Messages as Tabs

[Robert Brenstein]

this is some system setting. i have such a behavior under high sierra 
but not under el capitan.


On 25 Sep 2019, at 17:43, Michael Nietzold wrote:

Since some versions i get on double click and on enter the messages in 
Tabs instead of new window. how i can change this to the old behavoir?


MailMate: Version 1.12.5 (5635)
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Re: [MlMt] VPN conflicts

[Robert Brenstein]

You may want to try using a different DNS provider when tunneling over 
VPN, like Google’s 8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4 for example. Some VPN services have 
their own DNS as an option as well.


On 23 Sep 2019, at 14:41, Peter Borsella wrote:


Good Day, All,
I am using a VPN tool on my Mac, and have experienced as might be 
expected that emails do not flow with the VPN active.  However, are 
there any settings or workarounds that would still allow me to keep my 
VPN turned on while exchanging emails?

Thanks...Peter


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Re: [MlMt] Grouping mailing lists

[Robert Brenstein]

Well, it is a one-time effort to set up the structure. Adding a new list 
later is just adding a new list-id condition or a new smart mailbox. The 
rest follows automatically. Settings things up in MailMate may indeed be 
a tad more involved than in other mail clients but MailMail focuses on 
features for power users and offers a bunch of options not available in 
other mail clients. I haven’t seen a client yet that has more 
feature-rich and very fast smart mailboxes, for example, handling my 
100k emails without any hesitation.


On 11 Sep 2019, at 15:57, Charlie Clark wrote:


On 11 Sep 2019, at 15:26, Robert Brenstein wrote:

Have you tried without tagging? Here are more or less the steps to 
follow:


1. create a mailbox “mailinglists”
2. on the tab “mailboxes” check the checkbox “include messages 
in any submailboxes of this mailbox”
3. inside this mailbox, create a separate smart mailbox for each of 
your mailing lists

4. create a mailbox “new mail”
5. set the “mailboxes” tab to have
   all of the following mailboxes
  All Messages (or Inbox)
  None of the following mailboxes
 Mailing lists
I hope the indentation carries through properly as it is critical.



It did, though you might find the markdown syntax useful:

https://github.com/adam-p/markdown-here/wiki/Markdown-Cheatsheet#lists

Though I've found the preview function so sluggish, I generally have 
it disabled. Mind you, I've been using plaintext markup for **years**. 
:roll: ;-)


6. You can set on the “Conditions” tab “Message not Read” to 
see only unread messages


The “New Mail” mailbox should show all your mail except those 
that are in your mailinglists.


Yes, I worked that out. But I was looking for a way of doing this 
without creating a slew of new mailboxes, ie. sticking as close to 
what I'm used to as possible. The way Opera Mail does this very 
similar to MailMate but I'd argue slightly more intuitive, though it's 
more restricted in other ways, such as being able to create views from 
a search.
![](cid:CE66F5CC-B44D-4C4B-AB58-5844DBF16DDD@begeistert.org 
"Bildschirmfoto 2019-09-11 um 15.50.50.png")


The current setup is to create folders (smart mailboxes without 
criteria) and add individual lists to these (find isn't brilliant for 
these). These can then be excluded from the catch all mailing list.


For 2 and 3, you can use the simpler setup suggested earlier if your 
mailinglists are uniform and can be all identified within a single 
smart mailbox. In my case, for some lists I use List-Id, for others 
from-address, for others to-address, for some I need to additionally 
check for an identifier in the subject.


Fortunately, all the ones I have can be correctly identified via a 
list-id header, though auto-completion doesn't work that well.


Still, given that I only started with the program on Monday, I'm 
really enjoying it. :-)


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Re: [MlMt] Mails not appearing as threads

[Robert Brenstein]

If the mails in the thread retain the subject, you can 
shift-double-click or double-click, depending on your preference setting 
(search for related messages on viewer panel) on the subject to 
automagically display only those messages. That is often more reliable 
than the threading function.


On 12 Sep 2019, at 19:39, Charlie Clark wrote:


Hi,

I generally have organise by thread active but some conversations 
aren't appearing as such, but the thread arc is showing them as 
related and in the conversation view, they appear as grouped by 
thread.


I know that threading is largely dependent upon the mail client 
preserving the right headers – in this case the "offending" MUA is 
Apple Mail – but I wonder if there's something else I should be 
doing or checking?


Thanks for your suggestions!

Charlie
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Re: [MlMt] Grouping mailing lists

[Robert Brenstein]

Have you tried without tagging? Here are more or less the steps to 
follow:


1. create a mailbox “mailinglists”
2. on the tab “mailboxes” check the checkbox “include messages in 
any submailboxes of this mailbox”
3. inside this mailbox, create a separate smart mailbox for each of your 
mailing lists

4. create a mailbox “new mail”
5. set the “mailboxes” tab to have
   all of the following mailboxes
  All Messages (or Inbox)
  None of the following mailboxes
 Mailing lists
I hope the indentation carries through properly as it is critical.
6. You can set on the “Conditions” tab “Message not Read” to see 
only unread messages


The “New Mail” mailbox should show all your mail except those that 
are in your mailinglists.


For 2 and 3, you can use the simpler setup suggested earlier if your 
mailinglists are uniform and can be all identified within a single smart 
mailbox. In my case, for some lists I use List-Id, for others 
from-address, for others to-address, for some I need to additionally 
check for an identifier in the subject.



On 11 Sep 2019, at 14:45, Charlie Clark wrote:


On 10 Sep 2019, at 18:03, Charlie Clark wrote:

I think I've got this working for me. I've created some additional 
smart mailboxes (Python, Web, etc.) and put the mailing lists I want 
in these. I then set a rule for all mailing lists to be tagged as 
Mailing List. Then I excluded the selected mailing lists from the 
general mailing list mailbox. Then I set a condition for my accounts 
and their inboxes to ignore anything tagged mailing list. I initially 
tried setting the condition tags does not exist for the inboxes but 
that didn't work as expected.


Okay, this doesn't work quite as expected. Once a new mail arrives on 
a list, the list gets added to the general Mailing Lists folder but 
does not appear in the dedicated mailbox. I can appreciate this is 
because of the slightly circular logic and can work around it, but it 
would be nice if something like this could be added.


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