Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, White house will set your thermostat
The reds already took your guns and brainwashed your children, and now they're coming for your air conditioning! Don't they have any shame? Seriously, neither that or anything like it will happen in the near future. You can't legislate environmental ethics or social responsibility to a people without one; you just can't- there's zero risk of that happening. Carol Browner might as well try to shave a snow leopard for all her efforts will get her. Our culture is beginning to form a sense of environmental ethics because it's starting to experience firsthand the effects of not having one. That (not laws) will get people to shut off their thermostats if they truly don't need them (most don't, some do). I think and hope that humans are smart enough to choose survival over minor physical discomfort, once the choice makes itself obvious and necessary. At the risk of sounding arrogant, that choice has already made itself obvious to some people, but not obvious enough for others (yet). It's difficult and takes time for people to realize that a fundamental assumption in their culture is wrong, but it can happen eventually. I haven't really used heat or AC significantly for about 5 years, and I don't feel that it has changed my quality of life in any significant way, other than having more money for things I find more important, and feeling good about not using resources I don't need. In the winter I wear warm clothes and pile up the blankets, and in the summer I wear light clothes and open the windows. I used to live in Corvallis, OR where it freezes in the winter, and I now live in Riverside, CA where it gets as hot at 110F in the summer. One winter it stayed below freezing for 2 weeks solid, and I had an electric bill of only $10 that month (split between 2 people, $5 each)- and I did not experience any discomfort. I find it amazing that (with the proper clothing) the human body can be very comfortable over a 20F range, fairly comfortable over an 80F or greater temperature range, and yet people feel the need to spend huge sums of money to keep their houses within a 2-3 degree temperature range. I just don't see the point! Also, I've found that with intelligent use of the windows and blinds, I can usually keep the house about 30 degrees warmer or cooler than ambient temperature, so I really can keep the interior between 60F and 80F when the outside temp swings between 30F and 110F, without using any heat or AC... Sincerely, Tyler On Mar 16, 2009, at 9:33 PM, harry watkins wrote: Obama's climate czar, Carol Browner, wants your thermostat. ( she is a former leader in the Socialist International group, a group that advocates one world government.) Czar Browner enlightened the readers of U.S. News and World Report, she said: Using the most cost effective electricity at the right time of day, we can eventually get to a system where an electric company will be able to hold back some of the power so that your air conditioner won't operate at its peak. This one set off my daily anger alarm until I read about the Vets medical situation. Some idiot (maybe not) has suggested that residential AC authorization should require your house to pass a leak test. I can tell you, mine will pass, but the poor guy that bought my last house will need some hand operated church fans. IMHO, if you have something that you think won't be taken away, changed or new fees attached, you're living in a dream world. Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel
From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 49beefcd.2080...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Will give that a try. Does the rear tail section need to be removed to get the govenor off? 2nd question, can this operation be done with the tranny in the car on a 201? 1) Don't think so but governor is different than .4xx boxes- held in with expanding clip inside 2) Not certain about the 201 but you've got a decent shot if you drop the rear mount and let the rear hang down. Tony Wirtel -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/6b046784/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, White house will set your thermostat
harry watkins wrote: Obama's climate czar, Carol Browner, wants your thermostat. Ever notice that we have more Czar/Ceasars at one them than Russia or Rome had total? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
it's been here for a very long time the entirety of the civil rights movement is government telling private industry and individuals what to do. it was ok then, but no good now? On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: Forcing a private company (private insurance) to cover the treatment of military veterans? When will Obama decide that the energy crises is so bad that we will not be allowed to drive cross country without a 'special permit? Think I'm kidding? There is no fundamental difference between the Government telling private industry what they will do and telling you what you will do! I'm afraid you are correct - Socialism is no longer around the corner, it's here! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war WASHINGTON, March 16 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The leader of the nation's largest veterans organization says he is deeply disappointed and concerned after a meeting with President Obama today to discuss a proposal to force private insurance companies to pay for the treatment of military veterans who have suffered service-connected disabilities and injuries. The Obama administration recently revealed a plan to require private insurance carriers to reimburse the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) in such cases. It became apparent during our discussion today that the President intends to move forward with this unreasonable plan, said Commander David K. Rehbein of The American Legion. He says he is looking to generate $540-million by this method, but refused to hear arguments about the moral and government-avowed obligations that would be compromised by it. The whole story: http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20090316/pl_usnw/the_american_legion_strongly_o pposed_to_president_s_plan_to_charge_wounded_heroes_for_treatment Every day there is another step towards socialism. Harry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090316/51 a0256a/attachment.htmlhttp://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090316/51%0Aa0256a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2003 - Release Date: 3/15/2009 2:07 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2003 - Release Date: 3/15/2009 2:07 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/d9714366/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jittery W123 speedo
The cable was recently installed by a professional, and then he rechecked the connection. I'll take a look at this weekend when the car is on the lift at a club tech session. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote: You might have a kinky cable. I'd start with checking the cable's path for anomalies. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 2:08 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: My 1983 300TD with a transplanted 1985 300D transmission has a new speedo cable, but the speedometer gauge is jittery from zero up to around 30 mph. Is there any fix for this annoying little issue? I checked and the cable is properly attached. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090316/f999e4e4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/be9914b6/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] if anybody is interested, this car is 2 doors down from me
When the lady bought the 57 new, she traded in her 1952 Chevy. The original bill of sale shows the trade in allowance she received. This car and its accompanying documentation is a museum piece, a genuine article of Americana. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.comwrote: Wow! Amazing! A little question, though - traded it in on/for a 52 Chevy? Wilton - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] if anybody is interested, this car is 2 doors down from me Speaking of cherry, a 1957 plain Chevy Belair 4 door SEDAN manual transmission with 3 on the column sold for $150,000 at Barrett Jackson recently. Why? It had serial number 1, all the records, and 57 k documented miles. The original owner traded it in on a 1952 Chevy. She was born in 1888 and lived to be 100. On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: These people moved in a year or 2 ago. Have never stopped by to chat about their SDL. You would think they would seeing all the MB's I have sitting around. Question to seller: Aren't you the guy with about 50 of those crappy old Mercedes in your back yard? How long has this one been sitting there? heehee Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090316/13 c9d827/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/00152869/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Prices in Everett ,Washington
I say we take up a collection to subsidize the hapless denizens of the locality with the most expensive diesel fuel in the lower 48. Here is Exhibit A - Washington, D.C. The price is still $3.21 down the street, and across the MD border the best local price is $2.69. I doubt anyone can come close to this insult to my wallet. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com wrote: On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:04:27 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: its 1.69 here We're 2.249 here. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/2402bb2a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, White house will set your thermostat
Tyler, I think you are confusing times when we had checks and balances in government. Now things are different, if Co-President Obama wants something, Co-President Pelosi and Co-President Reid will pass it even if they don't agree. They know that when they want something, Co-President Obama will sign it as pay back. This is what Acorn and some voters wanted, so its what we must live with. Harry The reds already took your guns and brainwashed your children, and now they're coming for your air conditioning! Don't they have any shame? Seriously, neither that or anything like it will happen in the near future. You can't legislate environmental ethics or social responsibility to a people without one; you just can't- there's zero risk of that happening. Carol Browner might as well try to shave a snow leopard for all her efforts will get her. Our culture is beginning to form a sense of environmental ethics because it's starting to experience firsthand the effects of not having one. That (not laws) will get people to shut off their thermostats if they truly don't need them (most don't, some do). I think and hope that humans are smart enough to choose survival over minor physical discomfort, once the choice makes itself obvious and necessary. At the risk of sounding arrogant, that choice has already made itself obvious to some people, but not obvious enough for others (yet). It's difficult and takes time for people to realize that a fundamental assumption in their culture is wrong, but it can happen eventually. I haven't really used heat or AC significantly for about 5 years, and I don't feel that it has changed my quality of life in any significant way, other than having more money for things I find more important, and feeling good about not using resources I don't need. In the winter I wear warm clothes and pile up the blankets, and in the summer I wear light clothes and open the windows. I used to live in Corvallis, OR where it freezes in the winter, and I now live in Riverside, CA where it gets as hot at 110F in the summer. One winter it stayed below freezing for 2 weeks solid, and I had an electric bill of only $10 that month (split between 2 people, $5 each)- and I did not experience any discomfort. I find it amazing that (with the proper clothing) the human body can be very comfortable over a 20F range, fairly comfortable over an 80F or greater temperature range, and yet people feel the need to spend huge sums of money to keep their houses within a 2-3 degree temperature range. I just don't see the point! Also, I've found that with intelligent use of the windows and blinds, I can usually keep the house about 30 degrees warmer or cooler than ambient temperature, so I really can keep the interior between 60F and 80F when the outside temp swings between 30F and 110F, without using any heat or AC... Sincerely, Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] if anybody is interested, this car is 2 doors down from me
So, she traded a 52 for the 57 - that's what I thought it must be. ;)) Wilton - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] if anybody is interested, this car is 2 doors down from me When the lady bought the 57 new, she traded in her 1952 Chevy. The original bill of sale shows the trade in allowance she received. This car and its accompanying documentation is a museum piece, a genuine article of Americana. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.comwrote: Wow! Amazing! A little question, though - traded it in on/for a 52 Chevy? Wilton - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] if anybody is interested, this car is 2 doors down from me Speaking of cherry, a 1957 plain Chevy Belair 4 door SEDAN manual transmission with 3 on the column sold for $150,000 at Barrett Jackson recently. Why? It had serial number 1, all the records, and 57 k documented miles. The original owner traded it in on a 1952 Chevy. She was born in 1888 and lived to be 100. On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: These people moved in a year or 2 ago. Have never stopped by to chat about their SDL. You would think they would seeing all the MB's I have sitting around. Question to seller: Aren't you the guy with about 50 of those crappy old Mercedes in your back yard? How long has this one been sitting there? heehee Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090316/13 c9d827/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/00 152869/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Driving in Quebec
Curt, ya, may wanta see if Quebec has a web site denoting driving/traffic laws and possible differences such as right turn on red, etc. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Prices in Everett ,Washington
Why is it so high there? (Sort of a rhetorical question) --R andrew strasfogel wrote: I say we take up a collection to subsidize the hapless denizens of the locality with the most expensive diesel fuel in the lower 48. Here is Exhibit A - Washington, D.C. The price is still $3.21 down the street, and across the MD border the best local price is $2.69. I doubt anyone can come close to this insult to my wallet. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com wrote: On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:04:27 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: its 1.69 here We're 2.249 here. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/2402bb2a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/add000a4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net writes: When will Obama decide that the energy crises is so bad that we will not be allowed to drive cross country without a 'special permit? Think I'm kidding? There is no fundamental difference between the Government telling private industry what they will do and telling you what you will do! Some idiot congressman is on TV now proposing a 60% tax surcharge on excess executive pay in companies that have taken bail-out money. That's right a 95% tax rate. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
This issue 'came to head' with the AIG bonus payouts. I've worked for salary as an upper level Manager and can tell you that bonuses are setup by contractually binding goals and paid based on performance to those goals. In other words, the bonuses were due the recipient just like your weekly paycheck is due to you. 1. Do I like the fact that they received bonuses? No! 2. Are the bonuses fair? Yes - the bonuses were instituted (as they always are) to increase performance make sure goals are met. I'm sure that some bonuses were even tied to cost cutting measures. 3. Did they earn their bonuses? Yes - see answer 2 above. 4. Should they keep their bonuses? Yes - see answer 2 above. So, when does the Government have the right to decide that profit, bonuses or pay in the private sector is excessive? How would you feel of the government decided that YOU were making too much money and gave YOU a 20% PAY CUT or TAX INCREASE? That's what they are trying to do to AIG! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:56 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net writes: When will Obama decide that the energy crises is so bad that we will not be allowed to drive cross country without a 'special permit? Think I'm kidding? There is no fundamental difference between the Government telling private industry what they will do and telling you what you will do! Some idiot congressman is on TV now proposing a 60% tax surcharge on excess executive pay in companies that have taken bail-out money. That's right a 95% tax rate. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
Tom Hargrave wrote: So, when does the Government have the right to decide that profit, bonuses or pay in the private sector is excessive? How would you feel of the government decided that YOU were making too much money and gave YOU a 20% PAY CUT or TAX INCREASE? Depends, is it the same government that gave my employer $200 Billion so that my paychecks didn't bounce? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1980 4x4 International Scout II Turbodiesel - $3400
WANT!! Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:21:28 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Subject: [MBZ] 1980 4x4 International Scout II Turbodiesel - $3400 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 49bf1738.3070...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1078416293.html --R -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/3b0aa36c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, White house will set your thermostat
Man you're leaving yourself open with that one... In MA this January it never got above freezing for a MONTH. We didn't have a week above freezing from November through until March. If I didn't have heat my house would have been destroyed, the pipes would have frozen and then when they thawed the house would have filled with water which would have frozen, collapsed the basement and the house would have fallen in. There are places where it doesn't get above ZERO for months... Don't tell me I don't need heat until you've lived somewhere that it actually gets cold. Freezing is not cold, its time to put on a sweater. Zero is where it starts to get cold and -20F is when you put on a parka... -Curt Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:24:50 -0700 From: Tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, White house will set your thermostat To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 575ae46f-13a6-4047-872e-3a5fe1a9a...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes The reds already took your guns and brainwashed your children, and now they're coming for your air conditioning! Don't they have any shame? Seriously, neither that or anything like it will happen in the near future. You can't legislate environmental ethics or social responsibility to a people without one; you just can't- there's zero risk of that happening. Carol Browner might as well try to shave a snow leopard for all her efforts will get her. Our culture is beginning to form a sense of environmental ethics because it's starting to experience firsthand the effects of not having one. That (not laws) will get people to shut off their thermostats if they truly don't need them (most don't, some do). I think and hope that humans are smart enough to choose survival over minor physical discomfort, once the choice makes itself obvious and necessary. At the risk of sounding arrogant, that choice has already made itself obvious to some people, but not obvious enough for others (yet). It's difficult and takes time for people to realize that a fundamental assumption in their culture is wrong, but it can happen eventually. I haven't really used heat or AC significantly for about 5 years, and I don't feel that it has changed my quality of life in any significant way, other than having more money for things I find more important, and feeling good about not using resources I don't need. In the winter I wear warm clothes and pile up the blankets, and in the summer I wear light clothes and open the windows. I used to live in Corvallis, OR where it freezes in the winter, and I now live in Riverside, CA where it gets as hot at 110F in the summer. One winter it stayed below freezing for 2 weeks solid, and I had an electric bill of only $10 that month (split between 2 people, $5 each)- and I did not experience any discomfort. I find it amazing that (with the proper clothing) the human body can be very comfortable over a 20F range, fairly comfortable over an 80F or greater temperature range, and yet people feel the need to spend huge sums of money to keep their houses within a 2-3 degree temperature range. I just don't see the point! Also, I've found that with intelligent use of the windows and blinds, I can usually keep the house about 30 degrees warmer or cooler than ambient temperature, so I really can keep the interior between 60F and 80F when the outside temp swings between 30F and 110F, without using any heat or AC... Sincerely, Tyler -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/777e1bad/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Prices in Everett ,Washington
Best I've seen is $2.25 in central MA. Strangely DC appears to have 20 cents per gallon tax (plus Fed). MA is 21... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:40:09 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Prices in Everett ,Washington To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: b8cdcef40903170640p23184ea2i285b0a7cb4eec...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I say we take up a collection to subsidize the hapless denizens of the locality with the most expensive diesel fuel in the lower 48. Here is Exhibit A - Washington, D.C. The price is still $3.21 down the street, and across the MD border the best local price is $2.69. I doubt anyone can come close to this insult to my wallet. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com wrote: On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:04:27 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: its 1.69 here We're 2.249 here. Craig -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/450c5e5a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Driving in Quebec
Good advice Wilton, motorcycles do tend to pick up tickets if you aren't careful. -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:22:29 -0500 From: Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: [MBZ] Driving in Quebec To: mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 003801c9a714$30390ec0$0301a...@computer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Curt, ya, may wanta see if Quebec has a web site denoting driving/traffic laws and possible differences such as right turn on red, etc. Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/acc621ed/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Prices in Everett ,Washington
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Best I've seen is $2.25 in central MA. Strangely DC appears to have 20 cents per gallon tax (plus Fed). MA is 21... When I lived in Illinois (Will county, one of the collar counties around Cook) there were gas stations all along the county line because it was about $0.20/gallon cheaper than buying gas in Cook county due to higher taxes. BTW diesel here where I am now is 2.09 last I looked -- but that was a couple of days ago. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
The government did not give your employer $200 Billion so that your paycheck won't bounce. They used the money to prop up the banking system so that the banks would not collapse and you only benefited from the transaction. Think of what would have happened if they had not propped up the banks let large financial institutions fail? I wonder what the $20.00 in your wallet would have bought the day after? Maybe a candy bar or soda? They averted a disaster. The irony is that politicians never get credit for averting disaster! Seriously, history is full of examples of collapsed financial systems and it's never pretty. The result is always rampant inflation cost increases to the point where you could wake up the next day to discover the money in your pocket will only buy 1/2 what it bought the day before. Then you would wake up the day after to see the same decline again! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war Tom Hargrave wrote: So, when does the Government have the right to decide that profit, bonuses or pay in the private sector is excessive? How would you feel of the government decided that YOU were making too much money and gave YOU a 20% PAY CUT or TAX INCREASE? Depends, is it the same government that gave my employer $200 Billion so that my paychecks didn't bounce? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil cooler?
I need your complete VIN to quote the oil cooler. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:01 PM Subject: [MBZ] Oil cooler? Replaced a leaking caliper on the '83 240D yesterday, I'm starting to get good at 'em... While I was at it I spent some time looking for oil leaks. Theres got to be some, the car drinks oil and the engine is filthy with it. I think I found one, the lines into the oil cooler are heavily coated and nasty. Looks like its seeping at one or both of the connections or out the bottom of the cooler. It looks like the cooler is just clipped onto the side of the radiator... Rusty's website lists the hoses but doesn't seem to list the cooler itself. Any BTDT from the list? -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090316/9be83568/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Oil cooler lines (more)
So I'm convinced I need to replace the oil cooler lines. Rusty has 4 each upper and lower depending on the engine number. How do I find that out so I can order the right thing? Thanks -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/d580d699/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil cooler lines (more)
Just call me. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:44 PM Subject: [MBZ] Oil cooler lines (more) So I'm convinced I need to replace the oil cooler lines. Rusty has 4 each upper and lower depending on the engine number. How do I find that out so I can order the right thing? Thanks -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/d580d699/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] getting it backwards
So, she traded a 52 for the 57 - that's what I thought it must be Yup, that's what he typed. Proofreading, why bother? RLE ** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/ca78bee3/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jittery W123 speedo
Hi Andrew I'll be interested in replies to this. I've lived with a jittery speedo since an indy barbarian screwed up a speedo recalibration 180,000 miles ago. The fix has always been to replace the cable. In all other respects, everything seems to be fine. Cable takes the correct path from go-to-wo, and the speedo itself has checked out OK. However, it seems to me that I'm replacing the cable far too often. The jitter problem is most accentuated during summer when the wagon (normally garaged) sees more of the sun on the dashboard. Cheers Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 215K mi Christchurch NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
Allen wrote: Some idiot congressman is on TV now proposing a 60% tax surcharge on excess executive pay in companies that have taken bail-out money. That's right a 95% tax rate. Senator Chris Dodd proposed a 90% tax on those bonuses last night. The same Senator Dodd that got a sweetheart VIP house buying deal from AIG. The same Senator Dodd that added a clause in the stimulus package to exclude any contract bonus deals that had occurred before 2/11/09. He must have forgot. Just like he did not realize his house deal was special. Good thing he's not in a position of power. Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] getting it backwards
'Stead of a 57 for a 52 as stated originally. ;)) Wilton - Original Message - From: relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] getting it backwards So, she traded a 52 for the 57 - that's what I thought it must be Yup, that's what he typed. Proofreading, why bother? RLE ** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/ca 78bee3/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
If AIG chooses to accept bailouts from the federal government, doesn't that give the government the right to set any conditions they want? The bonuses may be fair and earned, but an organization that is at risk of failing due to lack of funds can no longer afford non-essential costs like bonuses if it wants to keep providing paychecks or employment at all. Tyler Tom Hargrave wrote: This issue 'came to head' with the AIG bonus payouts. I've worked for salary as an upper level Manager and can tell you that bonuses are setup by contractually binding goals and paid based on performance to those goals. In other words, the bonuses were due the recipient just like your weekly paycheck is due to you. 1. Do I like the fact that they received bonuses? No! 2. Are the bonuses fair? Yes - the bonuses were instituted (as they always are) to increase performance make sure goals are met. I'm sure that some bonuses were even tied to cost cutting measures. 3. Did they earn their bonuses? Yes - see answer 2 above. 4. Should they keep their bonuses? Yes - see answer 2 above. So, when does the Government have the right to decide that profit, bonuses or pay in the private sector is excessive? How would you feel of the government decided that YOU were making too much money and gave YOU a 20% PAY CUT or TAX INCREASE? That's what they are trying to do to AIG! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jittery W123 speedo
In that case it MUST be the speedometer itself. Have you swapped it out for a unit that is known to work properly? What about the speed sensor (?) on back of the speedometer? Or am I thinking of the tach pickup? On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Euan goneb...@paradise.net.nz wrote: Hi Andrew I'll be interested in replies to this. I've lived with a jittery speedo since an indy barbarian screwed up a speedo recalibration 180,000 miles ago. The fix has always been to replace the cable. In all other respects, everything seems to be fine. Cable takes the correct path from go-to-wo, and the speedo itself has checked out OK. However, it seems to me that I'm replacing the cable far too often. The jitter problem is most accentuated during summer when the wagon (normally garaged) sees more of the sun on the dashboard. Cheers Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 215K mi Christchurch NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/791d9b02/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
This does not change my argument or the point I was trying to make. I can almost guarantee that the bonus plan was a CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT between the Company and those receiving bonuses. And legally, they may have had no choice but to pay the bonuses providing the ones receiving the bonuses lived up to their end of the deal - they met their goals. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of tyler Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war If AIG chooses to accept bailouts from the federal government, doesn't that give the government the right to set any conditions they want? The bonuses may be fair and earned, but an organization that is at risk of failing due to lack of funds can no longer afford non-essential costs like bonuses if it wants to keep providing paychecks or employment at all. Tyler Tom Hargrave wrote: This issue 'came to head' with the AIG bonus payouts. I've worked for salary as an upper level Manager and can tell you that bonuses are setup by contractually binding goals and paid based on performance to those goals. In other words, the bonuses were due the recipient just like your weekly paycheck is due to you. 1. Do I like the fact that they received bonuses? No! 2. Are the bonuses fair? Yes - the bonuses were instituted (as they always are) to increase performance make sure goals are met. I'm sure that some bonuses were even tied to cost cutting measures. 3. Did they earn their bonuses? Yes - see answer 2 above. 4. Should they keep their bonuses? Yes - see answer 2 above. So, when does the Government have the right to decide that profit, bonuses or pay in the private sector is excessive? How would you feel of the government decided that YOU were making too much money and gave YOU a 20% PAY CUT or TAX INCREASE? That's what they are trying to do to AIG! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
tyler casi...@usermail.com writes: If AIG chooses to accept bailouts from the federal government, doesn't that give the government the right to set any conditions they want? At any time, as public opinion dicatates? That seems a pretty broad right. OTOH AIG should have seen this coming. With government money comes government strings. There's no shortage of fools in this drama. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
So, those who had Objectives and Goals to put AIG into a financial catastrophe felt around the world will be rewardedthose with Objectives and Goals to provide legal and moral income have failed and will go without. I get it now. Contracts mean nothing ...all around this great country there are employee layoffs and cutbacks even with contracts, going on right now. This AIG thing does not make any sense and we, as a stockholder in this corrupt company ought to be doing something about it. Hope the CEO of AIG follows in the path of Kenneth Lay. John On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: This does not change my argument or the point I was trying to make. I can almost guarantee that the bonus plan was a CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT between the Company and those receiving bonuses. And legally, they may have had no choice but to pay the bonuses providing the ones receiving the bonuses lived up to their end of the deal - they met their goals. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of tyler Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war If AIG chooses to accept bailouts from the federal government, doesn't that give the government the right to set any conditions they want? The bonuses may be fair and earned, but an organization that is at risk of failing due to lack of funds can no longer afford non-essential costs like bonuses if it wants to keep providing paychecks or employment at all. Tyler Tom Hargrave wrote: This issue 'came to head' with the AIG bonus payouts. I've worked for salary as an upper level Manager and can tell you that bonuses are setup by contractually binding goals and paid based on performance to those goals. In other words, the bonuses were due the recipient just like your weekly paycheck is due to you. 1. Do I like the fact that they received bonuses? No! 2. Are the bonuses fair? Yes - the bonuses were instituted (as they always are) to increase performance make sure goals are met. I'm sure that some bonuses were even tied to cost cutting measures. 3. Did they earn their bonuses? Yes - see answer 2 above. 4. Should they keep their bonuses? Yes - see answer 2 above. So, when does the Government have the right to decide that profit, bonuses or pay in the private sector is excessive? How would you feel of the government decided that YOU were making too much money and gave YOU a 20% PAY CUT or TAX INCREASE? That's what they are trying to do to AIG! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
I can see one business going under being accused of bad management - take Enron for example. But they were one company in their industry and it was very clear that they cooked the books. Everyone else in the same industry waded through the Enron crises without a problem. AIG and the others are an entirely different situation. This is institution wide - affecting all large banks most medium size banks. And because of this, you can hardly blame bad management of one institution for the problem. The experts already agree that the issue was caused by a fundamental change in the way the entire industry was run and managed and they probably won't be finished sorting out the details for years. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of John Freer Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war So, those who had Objectives and Goals to put AIG into a financial catastrophe felt around the world will be rewardedthose with Objectives and Goals to provide legal and moral income have failed and will go without. I get it now. Contracts mean nothing ...all around this great country there are employee layoffs and cutbacks even with contracts, going on right now. This AIG thing does not make any sense and we, as a stockholder in this corrupt company ought to be doing something about it. Hope the CEO of AIG follows in the path of Kenneth Lay. John On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: This does not change my argument or the point I was trying to make. I can almost guarantee that the bonus plan was a CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT between the Company and those receiving bonuses. And legally, they may have had no choice but to pay the bonuses providing the ones receiving the bonuses lived up to their end of the deal - they met their goals. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of tyler Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war If AIG chooses to accept bailouts from the federal government, doesn't that give the government the right to set any conditions they want? The bonuses may be fair and earned, but an organization that is at risk of failing due to lack of funds can no longer afford non-essential costs like bonuses if it wants to keep providing paychecks or employment at all. Tyler Tom Hargrave wrote: This issue 'came to head' with the AIG bonus payouts. I've worked for salary as an upper level Manager and can tell you that bonuses are setup by contractually binding goals and paid based on performance to those goals. In other words, the bonuses were due the recipient just like your weekly paycheck is due to you. 1. Do I like the fact that they received bonuses? No! 2. Are the bonuses fair? Yes - the bonuses were instituted (as they always are) to increase performance make sure goals are met. I'm sure that some bonuses were even tied to cost cutting measures. 3. Did they earn their bonuses? Yes - see answer 2 above. 4. Should they keep their bonuses? Yes - see answer 2 above. So, when does the Government have the right to decide that profit, bonuses or pay in the private sector is excessive? How would you feel of the government decided that YOU were making too much money and gave YOU a 20% PAY CUT or TAX INCREASE? That's what they are trying to do to AIG! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database:
Re: [MBZ] OT: Driving Quebec?
I think it will essentially be like driving anywhere else, except when someone cuts you off, you have to swear at them in French. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:12 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] OT: Driving Quebec? I seem to remember somebody on the list being from Quebec but does anybody have experience driving around that province? A friend and I are thinking of taking a motorcycle trip this fall up into Quebec, specifically from central MA up through Vermont to Valcourt to see the Bombardier Museum, then to Quebec City, then around the top of Maine for a day or two at my camp and back home. Figure to make a 7 day trip out of it and travel something like 1000 miles. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=winchendon,+madaddr=valcourt,+qc,+canada+to:quebec+city+qc+to:car ibou,+maine+to:winchendon,+mahl=engeocode=mra=lsrtol=0,1,2,3sll=45.243953,-70.235596sspn=5.275545,9.799805ie =UTF8ll=45.073521,-70.147705spn=5.291326,9.799805z=7 I'm curious about the roads, we've played with setting Google to avoid highways and it adds a surprisingly small amount of time... Thanks -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090316/d240ffe6/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] actual diesel content
Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com writes: If the flat hose is not obstructed, and yet it pops of from the pressure then either there is something blocking the far end OR the flow rate is so high that the pressure can still build up. My vote is the cyclone oil seprator inside the air cleaner housing is plugged. What's the procedure to check/clean that? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net writes: AIG and the others are an entirely different situation. This is institution wide - affecting all large banks most medium size banks. And because of this, you can hardly blame bad management of one institution for the problem. The experts already agree that the issue was caused by a fundamental change in the way the entire industry was run and managed and they probably won't be finished sorting out the details for years. Maybe so, but demonizing and alienating and confiscating the income of the very people who might have some understanding of how to unwind the AIG situation in a sane manner does not seem to be a very good idea. Certainly the likes of Pelosi, Frank, and Dodd don't have the first clue. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Jatropha Sesds
Was flipping thru boring magazines in a doctors waiting room when a article caught my attention - seems a tree/bush grows beans that can be turned into pretty high quality diesel fuel. They said a guy in Fla had planted several hundred (thousand?) acres in the stuff as an investment and he had been able to develop hybrids even better than that being grown in other countries. The Fl environment seems to help the bush grow also. Seems they can produce as mush as 1600 gallons of diesel per acre per growing season. Plus, it's not a food source so it doesn't compete with people starving. Found this http://www.jatrophabiodiesel.org/ - sorry if this has been discussed - haven't been able to read the ist as often as I'd like. LarryT 91 300D 78 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Beans for Diesel
I did some calculating after sending my last msg - with a possible 1600 gal/acre I calculated my wife needs roughly 250 gal to commute to/from work/year - so a little over 1/8th acre would give us the needed beans. Hmmm...I have 1/3 acre available so that might work. Hey! Free driving! ;-) One more calc - 250 gal X $2.50/gal = $625 savings ;-D LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jatropha Sesds
The reason it is not a food crop is because it is toxic to humans. The people in India selling seeds say it takes 5 years to come to maturity. -Dave Walton On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:18 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Was flipping thru boring magazines in a doctors waiting room when a article caught my attention - seems a tree/bush grows beans that can be turned into pretty high quality diesel fuel. They said a guy in Fla had planted several hundred (thousand?) acres in the stuff as an investment and he had been able to develop hybrids even better than that being grown in other countries. The Fl environment seems to help the bush grow also. Seems they can produce as mush as 1600 gallons of diesel per acre per growing season. Plus, it's not a food source so it doesn't compete with people starving. Found this http://www.jatrophabiodiesel.org/ - sorry if this has been discussed - haven't been able to read the ist as often as I'd like. LarryT 91 300D 78 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/a4dfe8c8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Beans for Diesel
'Course, nothing's free. Wilton - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 6:29 PM Subject: [MBZ] Beans for Diesel I did some calculating after sending my last msg - with a possible 1600 gal/acre I calculated my wife needs roughly 250 gal to commute to/from work/year - so a little over 1/8th acre would give us the needed beans. Hmmm...I have 1/3 acre available so that might work. Hey! Free driving! ;-) One more calc - 250 gal X $2.50/gal = $625 savings ;-D LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
And you'd say that getting into these derivatives was not bad management? My understanding is that a bonus is paid on performance -- how much money you end up making the company, not how much you sell. If the end result of your actions is that you bring down the company and perhaps the world economy to boot, should that be rewarded? For better or for worse, some folks are walking away with millions in retention pay (and more than a few took the retention pay and then left). The end result will be that -- hopefully -- IF there is more of my tax money (and yours) pumped into these too-big-to-fail companies, then there are strings attached. Personally, I hope we tax the hell out of those bonuses. If you get a bonus with corporate money, then that is fine. If you are getting a bonus with MY money, then I, as a taxpayer and by extension one of the largest owners of the company, then I want it back. More than outrage that these losers are walking away with millions is the outrage that these losers are walking away with millions from the public coffers, money intended to prop up the company (and not the individual bank accounts of its employees). Next time, any government money comes with a whole lot of strings and up front agreements. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: I can see one business going under being accused of bad management - take Enron for example. But they were one company in their industry and it was very clear that they cooked the books. Everyone else in the same industry waded through the Enron crises without a problem. AIG and the others are an entirely different situation. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/9a7c8511/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
I love the argument that these bonuses were promised by contract -- what about the fact that the company had to be rescued by the US government? I, personally, would have reduced all salaries at all institutions taking the money, either directly or as payment of contracts, to US GS rates as a condition of bailing them out. No profits to anyone, no bonuses, not dividends, nothing until all moneys repaid at interest, either. Peter On Mar 17, 2009, at 7:17 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote: And you'd say that getting into these derivatives was not bad management? My understanding is that a bonus is paid on performance -- how much money you end up making the company, not how much you sell. If the end result of your actions is that you bring down the company and perhaps the world economy to boot, should that be rewarded? For better or for worse, some folks are walking away with millions in retention pay (and more than a few took the retention pay and then left). The end result will be that -- hopefully -- IF there is more of my tax money (and yours) pumped into these too-big-to-fail companies, then there are strings attached. Personally, I hope we tax the hell out of those bonuses. If you get a bonus with corporate money, then that is fine. If you are getting a bonus with MY money, then I, as a taxpayer and by extension one of the largest owners of the company, then I want it back. More than outrage that these losers are walking away with millions is the outrage that these losers are walking away with millions from the public coffers, money intended to prop up the company (and not the individual bank accounts of its employees). Next time, any government money comes with a whole lot of strings and up front agreements. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: I can see one business going under being accused of bad management - take Enron for example. But they were one company in their industry and it was very clear that they cooked the books. Everyone else in the same industry waded through the Enron crises without a problem. AIG and the others are an entirely different situation. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/ attachments/20090317/9a7c8511/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Prices in Everett ,Washington
$1.83 Hee Hee B.R. La. Russ 83 240D x2 Ans Still looking for a Manny Tranny W140 wrote: I just filled up the other day and Diesel was $1.85. Not bad, eh? Walt Lasher Everett, WA. W140 S350 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
I keep asking myself if the bonuses would have been paid -- or been obligated -- had AIG been allowed to go into bankruptcy or even shut down. I think I know the answer, and that answer should determine what happens under what was essentially bankruptcy reorganization, with the government buying and administering the assets. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: I love the argument that these bonuses were promised by contract -- what about the fact that the company had to be rescued by the US government? I, personally, would have reduced all salaries at all institutions taking the money, either directly or as payment of contracts, to US GS rates as a condition of bailing them out. No profits to anyone, no bonuses, not dividends, nothing until all moneys repaid at interest, either. Peter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/c02b03e0/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jatropha Sesds
doesn't compete with people starving ?? If the plant is being grown on land that would otherwise be growing a food crop then there is no difference. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 6:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Jatropha Sesds Was flipping thru boring magazines in a doctors waiting room when a article caught my attention - seems a tree/bush grows beans that can be turned into pretty high quality diesel fuel. They said a guy in Fla had planted several hundred (thousand?) acres in the stuff as an investment and he had been able to develop hybrids even better than that being grown in other countries. The Fl environment seems to help the bush grow also. Seems they can produce as mush as 1600 gallons of diesel per acre per growing season. Plus, it's not a food source so it doesn't compete with people starving. Found this http://www.jatrophabiodiesel.org/ - sorry if this has been discussed - haven't been able to read the ist as often as I'd like. LarryT 91 300D 78 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
Possibly, possibly not, but what would have happened to our economy and the spending value of YOUR DOLLAR if they had been allowed to fail? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war I keep asking myself if the bonuses would have been paid -- or been obligated -- had AIG been allowed to go into bankruptcy or even shut down. I think I know the answer, and that answer should determine what happens under what was essentially bankruptcy reorganization, with the government buying and administering the assets. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: I love the argument that these bonuses were promised by contract -- what about the fact that the company had to be rescued by the US government? I, personally, would have reduced all salaries at all institutions taking the money, either directly or as payment of contracts, to US GS rates as a condition of bailing them out. No profits to anyone, no bonuses, not dividends, nothing until all moneys repaid at interest, either. Peter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/c0 2b03e0/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
We shall never know (perhaps) but I don't think the sky would have fallen as predicted. It would have been ugly, but we have ugly now. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: Possibly, possibly not, but what would have happened to our economy and the spending value of YOUR DOLLAR if they had been allowed to fail? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/71128794/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
Governments don't have memories; governments NEVER learn. For examole, we individuals remember Korea, Vietnam, Lebanon, Somalia, etc.; now Iraq, Afghanistan, but governments can't seem to remember them when they need to. Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war And you'd say that getting into these derivatives was not bad management? My understanding is that a bonus is paid on performance -- how much money you end up making the company, not how much you sell. If the end result of your actions is that you bring down the company and perhaps the world economy to boot, should that be rewarded? For better or for worse, some folks are walking away with millions in retention pay (and more than a few took the retention pay and then left). The end result will be that -- hopefully -- IF there is more of my tax money (and yours) pumped into these too-big-to-fail companies, then there are strings attached. Personally, I hope we tax the hell out of those bonuses. If you get a bonus with corporate money, then that is fine. If you are getting a bonus with MY money, then I, as a taxpayer and by extension one of the largest owners of the company, then I want it back. More than outrage that these losers are walking away with millions is the outrage that these losers are walking away with millions from the public coffers, money intended to prop up the company (and not the individual bank accounts of its employees). Next time, any government money comes with a whole lot of strings and up front agreements. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: I can see one business going under being accused of bad management - take Enron for example. But they were one company in their industry and it was very clear that they cooked the books. Everyone else in the same industry waded through the Enron crises without a problem. AIG and the others are an entirely different situation. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/9a 7c8511/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
Tom Hargrave wrote: Possibly, possibly not, but what would have happened to our economy and the spending value of YOUR DOLLAR if they had been allowed to fail? Less damage than was done by 'saving' them, that's the only thing that's truly certain here. The simple way to save them from their own stupidity would have been to declare the insurance invalid if bought by a company that had no insurable interest. Much like it would already be invalid for me to buy life insurance on Tom with myself as beneficiary. We're feeding hundreds of billions to AIG to pay off claims on insurance that was passed off as 'not insurance', and much of it was sold to companies which had no insurable interest, who then orchestrated the failure so the insurance would pay off. Let's say I bought a thousand insurance policies on Tom's home, each for 1/2 million dollars. Then let's say I found a legal way to make Tom's home burn down so I could make 1/2 Billion. If the insurance company could not pay off, do we need the taxpayers to pay me? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
The real crime would be to allow private insurance companies to continue to refuse covering medical procedures for veterans that were fully insured by them before, during, and after their service to this country. -Dave Walton On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: Forcing a private company (private insurance) to cover the treatment of military veterans? When will Obama decide that the energy crises is so bad that we will not be allowed to drive cross country without a 'special permit? Think I'm kidding? There is no fundamental difference between the Government telling private industry what they will do and telling you what you will do! I'm afraid you are correct - Socialism is no longer around the corner, it's here! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war WASHINGTON, March 16 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The leader of the nation's largest veterans organization says he is deeply disappointed and concerned after a meeting with President Obama today to discuss a proposal to force private insurance companies to pay for the treatment of military veterans who have suffered service-connected disabilities and injuries. The Obama administration recently revealed a plan to require private insurance carriers to reimburse the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) in such cases. It became apparent during our discussion today that the President intends to move forward with this unreasonable plan, said Commander David K. Rehbein of The American Legion. He says he is looking to generate $540-million by this method, but refused to hear arguments about the moral and government-avowed obligations that would be compromised by it. The whole story: http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20090316/pl_usnw/the_american_legion_strongly_o pposed_to_president_s_plan_to_charge_wounded_heroes_for_treatment Every day there is another step towards socialism. Harry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090316/51 a0256a/attachment.htmlhttp://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090316/51%0Aa0256a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2003 - Release Date: 3/15/2009 2:07 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2003 - Release Date: 3/15/2009 2:07 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/463838de/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
I have my insurance through USAA. What would happen to me if USAA went under? I'd have to look for another company to ensure my mini-fleet. Look -- I don't think anyone objects to the government stepping in and pumping capital into big companies important to our economy. The disagreement is with these companies taking public funds and channeling them into endeavors that do little to save the company, such as giving the money in huge checks to employees. If you are near a tv, turn on CNN. Donald Trump is laying it out much better than I could. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Less damage than was done by 'saving' them, that's the only thing that's truly certain here. The simple way to save them from their own stupidity would have been to declare the insurance invalid if bought by a company that had no insurable interest. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/077b1ccd/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jatropha Sesds
Growing conditions favorable to every know food crop in the US will kill Jatropha. It thrives on too much sun, too little water, and nutrient-free soil. There is probably some barely edible strain of wheat that can grow in Africa and produce 2 or 3 grains of seed per season that might compete with it, but nothing we in the US would consider as food. -Dave Walton On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: doesn't compete with people starving ?? If the plant is being grown on land that would otherwise be growing a food crop then there is no difference. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 6:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Jatropha Sesds Was flipping thru boring magazines in a doctors waiting room when a article caught my attention - seems a tree/bush grows beans that can be turned into pretty high quality diesel fuel. They said a guy in Fla had planted several hundred (thousand?) acres in the stuff as an investment and he had been able to develop hybrids even better than that being grown in other countries. The Fl environment seems to help the bush grow also. Seems they can produce as mush as 1600 gallons of diesel per acre per growing season. Plus, it's not a food source so it doesn't compete with people starving. Found this http://www.jatrophabiodiesel.org/ - sorry if this has been discussed - haven't been able to read the ist as often as I'd like. LarryT 91 300D 78 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/09d15f46/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
Geithner told to stop AIG bonuses Today's Daily Bell Tuesday, March 17, 2009 Branding the situation an 'outrage' for American taxpayers, who control around 80% of the company, the US President said that AIG had fallen into financial distress due to recklessness and greed and questioned the justification for paying out staff bonuses. Mr. Geithner was instructed to pursue every legal avenue to block some $165m of payments due immediately to members of AIG's London-headquartered Financial Products team, including what are thought to be several multi-million dollar pay-outs for a number of key British staff. In a hard-hitting series of comments President Obama took aim at the Financial Products team, responsible for a $40.5bn loss last year which in large part drove AIG to the brink of collapse, saying it's hard to understand how derivative traders at AIG warranted any bonuses. AIG intends to pay out $450m within the next few weeks - part of an overall compensation pool of $1.2bn. - UK Telegraph Dominant Social Theme: Greedy guys at AIG. Free-Market Analysis: This is pretty incredible. AIG got into trouble playing the derivatives games. It swapped risk-based contracts and took fees, but never set aside funds as it would with ordinary insurance risk. Additionally, there is probably nothing wrong with derivatives under a gold standard. But it was easy fiat money that allowed AIG to create the derivatives and take the risk in the first place. Derivatives, all US$400 trillion, (most not unwound yet) are nothing but the biggest fiat money bubble of all. Bigger than tech, bigger than the mortgage bubble - these derivatives are pure speculation, but because they are so contractually obscure, and overwhelming, until they are dealt with, the rest of the financial system will doubtless remain in some sort of paralysis. Here is how AIG's derivatives business worked, according to an email response to an article on the AIG fiasco in the Dallas Morning News. We don't know the attribution, and we wouldn't ordinarily publish an unattributed email, but it is a good summary that rings true, confirming what we already understand about the way the AIG pursued its derivatives business and why it got into trouble. The problem [is that] AIG didn't sell insurance because insurance is a regulated product that requires the insurer (AIG) to maintain a pool of cash to pay out for losses. What AIG sold were contracts that indemnified (mostly) investment banks from losses on certain investments they held (mostly mortgage backed securities, but AIG would sell you a swap on just about anything). These contracts (the credit default swaps) were unregulated and didn't force AIG to maintain any sort loss pool, so they didn't. Money went in to AIG when the banks bought the swaps and instantly fell to the bottom line as profit. Another side effect of the way AIG was selling the default swaps: Once they sold a swap on a set of securities, those securities would have their credit rating raised to match AIG's perfect AAA rating. Because they were indemnifying the underlying securities, it no longer mattered what they were, just the odds that AIG would pay off in the end. The Dallas Morning News article, not excerpted above, has harsh words for another part of the AIG crisis - the places where the government bailout money went (apparently over US$100 billion by now though it is difficult to keep track.) Billions and billions of taxpayer dollars went to pay off investment banks -- Goldman, JPMorgan, et al. -- who bought credit-default swap policies from AIG, which AIG could not pay out on. These are the same firms who spent gobs of cash successfully lobbying Democrats and Republicans for years to keep government oversight of derivatives and credit-default swaps at bay. OK, so let's take a deep breath and summarize. AIG was a reinsurer of insurers but several years ago it slowed its normal course of business and revved up its swaps business. These swaps were trades in which AIG certified that it would make good on any losses, but didn't put money aside to cover potential losses. When the bill came due, AIG went to the US federal government which basically made good on the promises that AIG had made. Thus the counterparties were made whole - and these counterparties were among the biggest American and European financial entities. As we have already indicated, the AIG bailout was actually a bailout of the larger financial industry. That was the reason for the bailout. Without it, Wall Street, and who knows, maybe London's City big banks would have gone down sooner and harder. Conclusion: To fulminate about AIG bonuses is to miss the point. There is no way that America's largest insurer could have or would have taken such risks were not the entire system corrupt from bottom to top. AIG's top people were not foolish, anymore than the rest of Wall Street. At this point moral hazard
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com writes: More than outrage that these losers are walking away with millions is the outrage that these losers are walking away with millions from the public coffers, money intended to prop up the company (and not the individual bank accounts of its employees). We're giving about 5 times the amount of those bonus payments as aid to Hamas, though. Just something to chew on for perspective. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil cooler lines (more)
Have your VIN in hand, and call Rusty. Better service than the website. You'll get the right parts. Rusty and Tom are friendly (if Hursty answers, he'll pass you to someone who knows something). It's an 800 number - just call him. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: So I'm convinced I need to replace the oil cooler lines. Rusty has 4 each upper and lower depending on the engine number. How do I find that out so I can order the right thing? Thanks -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/d580d699/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don W124 Diesels KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/3cc18575/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Beans for Diesel
Yup - how many gallons to plant, grow, harvest, press, process those beans into something usable? On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.comwrote: 'Course, nothing's free. Wilton - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 6:29 PM Subject: [MBZ] Beans for Diesel I did some calculating after sending my last msg - with a possible 1600 gal/acre I calculated my wife needs roughly 250 gal to commute to/from work/year - so a little over 1/8th acre would give us the needed beans. Hmmm...I have 1/3 acre available so that might work. Hey! Free driving! ;-) One more calc - 250 gal X $2.50/gal = $625 savings ;-D LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don W124 Diesels KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/15c31b46/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Prices in Everett ,Washington
While the one station on I-35 is $1.69 for #2, there are stations in town that still want over $2 -- and seem to be selling it! On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Russ Williams rawil...@eatel.net wrote: $1.83 Hee Hee B.R. La. Russ 83 240D x2 Ans Still looking for a Manny Tranny W140 wrote: I just filled up the other day and Diesel was $1.85. Not bad, eh? Walt Lasher Everett, WA. W140 S350 -- OK Don W124 Diesels KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/4fb9752a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Beans for Diesel
Are these similar to castor beans? I recall reading that someone (Brazil?) was making BioD from castor oil. Allan OK Don okd...@gmail.com writes: Yup - how many gallons to plant, grow, harvest, press, process those beans into something usable? On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.comwrote: 'Course, nothing's free. Wilton - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 6:29 PM Subject: [MBZ] Beans for Diesel I did some calculating after sending my last msg - with a possible 1600 gal/acre I calculated my wife needs roughly 250 gal to commute to/from work/year - so a little over 1/8th acre would give us the needed beans. Hmmm...I have 1/3 acre available so that might work. Hey! Free driving! ;-) One more calc - 250 gal X $2.50/gal = $625 savings ;-D LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: moss
My yard is continually invaded by moss. I just spent most of the day raking it off the ground, exposing bare dirt underneath, which I'm going to reseed. I've done this before, though, and the moss comes back so it seems like a losing battle. Anyone know whether there's anything I can do to make the area less moss-friendly without harming the grass? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
Wonko the Sane wrote: Look -- I don't think anyone objects to the government stepping in and pumping capital into big companies important to our economy. Speak for yourself, Mister. Imagine that it's 1930, and the Acme Gas Light Company is too big to fail, but it HAS failed. Should the Hoover administration rack up debt for unborn grandchildren (that would be us) to keep it afloat? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jatropha Sesds
That's hardly the case anywhere in Florida where one farmer has planted a crop. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jatropha Sesds Growing conditions favorable to every know food crop in the US will kill Jatropha. It thrives on too much sun, too little water, and nutrient-free soil. There is probably some barely edible strain of wheat that can grow in Africa and produce 2 or 3 grains of seed per season that might compete with it, but nothing we in the US would consider as food. -Dave Walton On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: doesn't compete with people starving ?? If the plant is being grown on land that would otherwise be growing a food crop then there is no difference. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 6:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Jatropha Sesds Was flipping thru boring magazines in a doctors waiting room when a article caught my attention - seems a tree/bush grows beans that can be turned into pretty high quality diesel fuel. They said a guy in Fla had planted several hundred (thousand?) acres in the stuff as an investment and he had been able to develop hybrids even better than that being grown in other countries. The Fl environment seems to help the bush grow also. Seems they can produce as mush as 1600 gallons of diesel per acre per growing season. Plus, it's not a food source so it doesn't compete with people starving. Found this http://www.jatrophabiodiesel.org/ - sorry if this has been discussed - haven't been able to read the ist as often as I'd like. LarryT 91 300D 78 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/09 d15f46/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] at the risk of talking about a diesel ...
Temperatures in Iowa have finally left the freezing range. The last two afternoons were in the high 60s. Turned over my organic garden this afternoon (shovel and muscle power), in anticipation of planting in a few weeks. Have driven the 240D (mostly garaged for the winter, to keep it away from the road salt) 1.5 days to/from work this week. Took the motorcycle back after lunch yesterday. Just couldn't resist, even though it is only one mile each way. Drive the 240D thru the $9 car wash this evening, polished it up a bit, fixed a bad tail light, and pretty much enjoyed the clatta-clatta sound from which my ears have been deprived during the long winter. For what it is worth, the 300E survived the winter pretty well. One small surface rust area that will have to be addressed in the near future. Have to drive to one of our offices tomorrow morning (30 miles each way) to teach a three hour class in Child Abuse / Dependent Adult Abuse. The 240D fuel tank is topped off, the car is clean, and I am looking forward to a very enjoyable, 60 mph, two lane highway road trip (at 55 cents a mile reimbursement). Heater is set to off (control wire broken on one side of the valve). No need for AC yet. Wife is happy, too -- if I am driving the 240D, she has free access to the 300E. For some reason, she seems to prefer the 300E to her Buick. Wonder why? This weekend, will run a can or two of Diesel Purge thru the injectors so it sounds like a sewing machine once again. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/c812b819/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: moss
Allan Streib wrote: Anyone know whether there's anything I can do to make the area less moss-friendly without harming the grass? Why not forget the grass and cultivate the native moss? It probably doesn't even need mowing. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jittery W123 speedo
Euan, Just to make sure, Are you replacing the complete cable, inner flex and outer sleeve or just the inner flex drive? If you are doing just the inner flex then it could be that the outer cover needs to be replaced as it may be too worn and causing the inner flex drive to get damaged very quickly. Manfred Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:54:36 +1200 From: Euan goneb...@paradise.net.nz Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jittery W123 speedo Hi Andrew I'll be interested in replies to this. I've lived with a jittery speedo since an indy barbarian screwed up a speedo recalibration 180,000 miles ago. The fix has always been to replace the cable. In all other respects, everything seems to be fine. Cable takes the correct path from go-to-wo, and the speedo itself has checked out OK. However, it seems to me that I'm replacing the cable far too often. The jitter problem is most accentuated during summer when the wagon (normally garaged) sees more of the sun on the dashboard. Cheers Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 215K mi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
I think you just made my point for me. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: Look -- I don't think anyone objects to the government stepping in and pumping capital into big companies important to our economy. Speak for yourself, Mister. Imagine that it's 1930, and the Acme Gas Light Company is too big to fail, but it HAS failed. Should the Hoover administration rack up debt for unborn grandchildren (that would be us) to keep it afloat? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/bad4048b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: moss
Exactly! If it doesn't need mowing, Encourage it. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: Anyone know whether there's anything I can do to make the area less moss-friendly without harming the grass? Why not forget the grass and cultivate the native moss? It probably doesn't even need mowing. -- OK Don W124 Diesels KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/07884296/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jatropha Sesds
Yea right, the guy who claims to have cross-bred Jatropha to increase oil production after 3 years - with a plat that does not produce fruit until the 5th year. I'm thinking he is smoking the stuff - or looking for suckers that have more money than brains to invest in a get-rich-quick scheme -Dave Walton On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: That's hardly the case anywhere in Florida where one farmer has planted a crop. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jatropha Sesds Growing conditions favorable to every know food crop in the US will kill Jatropha. It thrives on too much sun, too little water, and nutrient-free soil. There is probably some barely edible strain of wheat that can grow in Africa and produce 2 or 3 grains of seed per season that might compete with it, but nothing we in the US would consider as food. -Dave Walton On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: doesn't compete with people starving ?? If the plant is being grown on land that would otherwise be growing a food crop then there is no difference. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 6:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Jatropha Sesds Was flipping thru boring magazines in a doctors waiting room when a article caught my attention - seems a tree/bush grows beans that can be turned into pretty high quality diesel fuel. They said a guy in Fla had planted several hundred (thousand?) acres in the stuff as an investment and he had been able to develop hybrids even better than that being grown in other countries. The Fl environment seems to help the bush grow also. Seems they can produce as mush as 1600 gallons of diesel per acre per growing season. Plus, it's not a food source so it doesn't compete with people starving. Found this http://www.jatrophabiodiesel.org/ - sorry if this has been discussed - haven't been able to read the ist as often as I'd like. LarryT 91 300D 78 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/09 d15f46/attachment.htmlhttp://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/09%0Ad15f46/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/030ca58d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
We have a stable currency now - more stable than any other major currency in the world. If the financial markets had been allowed to fail this would not be so. The most recent example I remember was when the Mexican Peso went into free fall in the early 90s. I worked with Mexican Engineers who were paid in US dollars at the time. The Peso fell so fast that one of the Engineers I worked with was able to pay off his recently purchased house in 2 years - a house that should have taken him 15 years to pay for. The same could have happened here. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war We shall never know (perhaps) but I don't think the sky would have fallen as predicted. It would have been ugly, but we have ugly now. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: Possibly, possibly not, but what would have happened to our economy and the spending value of YOUR DOLLAR if they had been allowed to fail? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/71 128794/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
There is a difference between the Government propping up a viable industry and one who's time has passed. Do you have gas lights in your house? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war I think you just made my point for me. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: Look -- I don't think anyone objects to the government stepping in and pumping capital into big companies important to our economy. Speak for yourself, Mister. Imagine that it's 1930, and the Acme Gas Light Company is too big to fail, but it HAS failed. Should the Hoover administration rack up debt for unborn grandchildren (that would be us) to keep it afloat? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/ba d4048b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Beans for Diesel
Are you going to plant and harvest it by hand? Are you planning to use fertilizer and other soil nutrients? If you don't, will you plan for more land due to the reduced yield per acre of natural grown plants? How much will the oil press cost to buy and run? How much does seed cost for planting? I could go on. Luther LarryT wrote: I did some calculating after sending my last msg - with a possible 1600 gal/acre I calculated my wife needs roughly 250 gal to commute to/from work/year - so a little over 1/8th acre would give us the needed beans. Hmmm...I have 1/3 acre available so that might work. Hey! Free driving! ;-) One more calc - 250 gal X $2.50/gal = $625 savings ;-D LarryT 91 300D -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: moss
I was going to say the same thing. There must be some environmental reason for the moss to grow. And it this it true, you need to accept things as is or change the environment. For example, you aren't going to pant a peach tree grove in the desert Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: moss Allan Streib wrote: Anyone know whether there's anything I can do to make the area less moss-friendly without harming the grass? Why not forget the grass and cultivate the native moss? It probably doesn't even need mowing. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
What happened to no politics on this list? Isn't that what Banned is for? -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: moss
I had a web site bookmarked some years ago about people completely covering their yards with moss -- they were gorgeous, required little care, and were totally totally the best to walk on barefoot. I'll see if I can find it and forward it along. YOu might want to encourage that behavior! --R Allan Streib wrote: My yard is continually invaded by moss. I just spent most of the day raking it off the ground, exposing bare dirt underneath, which I'm going to reseed. I've done this before, though, and the moss comes back so it seems like a losing battle. Anyone know whether there's anything I can do to make the area less moss-friendly without harming the grass? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: moss
Does that include concrete? I wonder if my Wife would go for me planting concrete in the front yard. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: moss Exactly! If it doesn't need mowing, Encourage it. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: Anyone know whether there's anything I can do to make the area less moss-friendly without harming the grass? Why not forget the grass and cultivate the native moss? It probably doesn't even need mowing. -- OK Don W124 Diesels KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/07 884296/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: moss
OK Don wrote: Exactly! If it doesn't need mowing, Encourage it. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/01/garden/01moss.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
1 -- I don't have gas lights in my house, but I wish I had a gas stove rather than an electric stove. A really big, restaurant quality stove and oven. (I am to cooking as you are to brewing brew.) 2 -- I do, however, generate a LOT of gas. Comes with a vegetarian diet, I think, plus lots of cabbage (fried cabbage, boiled cabbage, steamed cabbage -- pot luck at lunch today). ... That is in jest, partly, because I eat so many beans (including soy based products) that if I was inclined to gas, I'd be completely miserable ... or my co-workers would be. Plus, I am an officer so my doesn't stink. :-) On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: There is a difference between the Government propping up a viable industry and one who's time has passed. Do you have gas lights in your house? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/f046fd71/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
Wait ... I thought this WAS Banned. I just thought a bunch of new folks signed up. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Luther benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: What happened to no politics on this list? Isn't that what Banned is for? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/a8437c18/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: moss lawn
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/01/garden/01moss.html?_r=1ref=gardenoref=sloginLandLiving.com Allan Streib wrote: My yard is continually invaded by moss. I just spent most of the day raking it off the ground, exposing bare dirt underneath, which I'm going to reseed. I've done this before, though, and the moss comes back so it seems like a losing battle. Anyone know whether there's anything I can do to make the area less moss-friendly without harming the grass? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
Mine doesn't stink either, only because I'm moving foreword fast enough to not smell it... Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:18 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war 1 -- I don't have gas lights in my house, but I wish I had a gas stove rather than an electric stove. A really big, restaurant quality stove and oven. (I am to cooking as you are to brewing brew.) 2 -- I do, however, generate a LOT of gas. Comes with a vegetarian diet, I think, plus lots of cabbage (fried cabbage, boiled cabbage, steamed cabbage -- pot luck at lunch today). ... That is in jest, partly, because I eat so many beans (including soy based products) that if I was inclined to gas, I'd be completely miserable ... or my co-workers would be. Plus, I am an officer so my doesn't stink. :-) On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: There is a difference between the Government propping up a viable industry and one who's time has passed. Do you have gas lights in your house? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/f0 46fd71/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: moss
I managed to get almost half of our front yard covered in concrete -- though it's a small yard, and I needed more parking space. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: Does that include concrete? I wonder if my Wife would go for me planting concrete in the front yard. -- OK Don W124 Diesels KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/8b48b41f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
I would not define this discussion as politics. No politicians names or political parties have been bashed. It is an interesting discussion about the current economic bailouts. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:20 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war Wait ... I thought this WAS Banned. I just thought a bunch of new folks signed up. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Luther benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: What happened to no politics on this list? Isn't that what Banned is for? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/a8 437c18/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com writes: 1 -- I don't have gas lights in my house, but I wish I had a gas stove rather than an electric stove. A really big, restaurant quality stove and oven. (I am to cooking as you are to brewing brew.) I wanted to get one of those too -- have so far been disuaded because they need a gas line that's bigger than most residential installations have available, and and they need a GOOD exhaust system to remove the heat (a little plastic-fan consumer range hood won't cut it). Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: moss
I think you discovered the secret - buy more Mercedes, require more parking space, plant more concrete. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: moss I managed to get almost half of our front yard covered in concrete -- though it's a small yard, and I needed more parking space. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: Does that include concrete? I wonder if my Wife would go for me planting concrete in the front yard. -- OK Don W124 Diesels KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/8b 48b41f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: moss
You obviously have way too much moisture. I'd recommend calling in the local university extension office. If you live where I think you live, Indiana University should have something out your way. (Wi On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: My yard is continually invaded by moss. I just spent most of the day raking it off the ground, exposing bare dirt underneath, which I'm going to reseed. I've done this before, though, and the moss comes back so it seems like a losing battle. Anyone know whether there's anything I can do to make the area less moss-friendly without harming the grass? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/d4a2dc17/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: moss
Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes: Why not forget the grass and cultivate the native moss? I prefer a lawn It probably doesn't even need mowing. I enjoy mowing the lawn. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: moss
Exactly! I had four MBs at the time -- got the concrete, and om down to 2 MBs now --- the wife still has her van though, so there are three vehicles out front. Most of what would be grass, is under 4 trees and is covered with Vinca (?) - a vine ground cover that we mow once a year. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: I think you discovered the secret - buy more Mercedes, require more parking space, plant more concrete. -- OK Don W124 Diesels KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/9c749482/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
I have a huge gas line in the basement that runs up to behind our electric range. I'd just have to rip out some cabinets and counters to make room for the oversized unit. (Ha ha -- he said unit.) But quite frankly, being empty-nesters as we are, I don't really need six or eight burners. We normally don't use all four burners on our stove. We're more into raw veggies (especially cauliflower) and crock pot and microwave for the Boca stuff. Two burners are plenty for us, except in my fantasies. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com writes: 1 -- I don't have gas lights in my house, but I wish I had a gas stove rather than an electric stove. A really big, restaurant quality stove and oven. (I am to cooking as you are to brewing brew.) I wanted to get one of those too -- have so far been disuaded because they need a gas line that's bigger than most residential installations have available, and and they need a GOOD exhaust system to remove the heat (a little plastic-fan consumer range hood won't cut it). Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/259eaad3/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: moss
I could park five side by side in front of my garage, and have room for three more inside. :-) On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:32 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly! I had four MBs at the time -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/b436f9cd/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: moss
Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com writes: You obviously have way too much moisture. Strangly the moss flourishes most where the trees hang over the grass, blocking most rainfall and the grass seems to wither and die there while the moss takes over. Or maybe the moss is strangling the grass. I wonder if soil acidity could be part of it? Does moss like acidic soil? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com writes: I have a huge gas line in the basement that runs up to behind our electric range. I'd just have to rip out some cabinets and counters to make room for the oversized unit. (Ha ha -- he said unit.) But quite frankly, being empty-nesters as we are, I don't really need six or eight burners. We normally don't use all four burners on our stove. We're more into raw veggies (especially cauliflower) and crock pot and microwave for the Boca stuff. Two burners are plenty for us, except in my fantasies. You can get 4 burner restaurant range. They tend to be narrow, though, like 24 and the oven might be smaller than you'd like. See http://www.selectappliance.com/exec/ce-product/ar_ar-4 Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: moss
Ah-HA. Where the grass withers, the moss takes over. Darwin 101. In my yard, it is mushrooms rather than moss. That, and I think there is an ancient, abandoned sewer pipe (I've seen its clay head poking up thru the ground when the weather is just right) is leaking moisture into the ground. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com writes: You obviously have way too much moisture. Strangly the moss flourishes most where the trees hang over the grass, blocking most rainfall and the grass seems to wither and die there while the moss takes over. Or maybe the moss is strangling the grass. I wonder if soil acidity could be part of it? Does moss like acidic soil? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/03f17fcd/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: moss
Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com writes: Ah-HA. Where the grass withers, the moss takes over. Darwin 101. In my yard, it is mushrooms rather than moss. That, and I think there is an ancient, abandoned sewer pipe (I've seen its clay head poking up thru the ground when the weather is just right) is leaking moisture into the ground. You might be right about the moisture factor. It's mostly over the septic field where the problem is the worst. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Prices in Everett ,Washington
I paid $1.80 today. Bob R -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Luther Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Prices in Everett ,Washington UGH, it's still $1.95 over here. Luther Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: its 1.69 here W140 wrote: I just filled up the other day and Diesel was $1.85. Not bad, eh? Walt Lasher Everett, WA. W140 S350 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
Naw ... I am thinking more of the Iron Chef sort of thing. The secret ingredient is ... SOY BURGERS! I want the Jay Leno's Garage of kitchens. I want the local fire department standing by (sitting on my deck, drinking beer and smoking cigars, just in case something goes wrong when I do blackened catfish). I want Bobby Flay to walk in and say he can't deal with that much cooking power, and has to cancel due to a previously scheduled root canal. Does anyone else sense a Walter Mitty moment? On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com writes: You can get 4 burner restaurant range. They tend to be narrow, though, like 24 and the oven might be smaller than you'd like. See http://www.selectappliance.com/exec/ce-product/ar_ar-4 Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/cd57102e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: moss
BINGO. I think moss is a fungus, and on what does a fungus feed? On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com writes: Ah-HA. Where the grass withers, the moss takes over. Darwin 101. In my yard, it is mushrooms rather than moss. That, and I think there is an ancient, abandoned sewer pipe (I've seen its clay head poking up thru the ground when the weather is just right) is leaking moisture into the ground. You might be right about the moisture factor. It's mostly over the septic field where the problem is the worst. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/4e6ebb8c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: moss
Apply sunshine, lime (dolomite lime), reduce moisture, aerate the soil. Wilton - Original Message - From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: moss Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com writes: Ah-HA. Where the grass withers, the moss takes over. Darwin 101. In my yard, it is mushrooms rather than moss. That, and I think there is an ancient, abandoned sewer pipe (I've seen its clay head poking up thru the ground when the weather is just right) is leaking moisture into the ground. You might be right about the moisture factor. It's mostly over the septic field where the problem is the worst. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: moss
Moss likes acid soil, low light, and poor nutrient conditions. What is your soil like? Peter On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:59 PM, Allan Streib wrote: My yard is continually invaded by moss. I just spent most of the day raking it off the ground, exposing bare dirt underneath, which I'm going to reseed. I've done this before, though, and the moss comes back so it seems like a losing battle. Anyone know whether there's anything I can do to make the area less moss-friendly without harming the grass? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: moss
Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.com writes: Apply sunshine, lime (dolomite lime), reduce moisture, aerate the soil. Sounds like a plan. Can't do much about the sunshine, though, without cutting trees which is not really something I want to do. Though most areas do get some sun for part of the day at least. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: moss
And Wilton is on the right track. Moss usually doesn't compete very well with grass, so the conditions are poor for grass Peter On Mar 17, 2009, at 10:04 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Moss likes acid soil, low light, and poor nutrient conditions. What is your soil like? Peter On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:59 PM, Allan Streib wrote: My yard is continually invaded by moss. I just spent most of the day raking it off the ground, exposing bare dirt underneath, which I'm going to reseed. I've done this before, though, and the moss comes back so it seems like a losing battle. Anyone know whether there's anything I can do to make the area less moss-friendly without harming the grass? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: moss
Moss is not a fungus (kingdom Fungi)- it is a plant (kingdom Plantae). It feeds on sunlight, water, and soil just like other plants, but it prefers low light and high moisture. This is why it usually lives in the shadow of larger objects that block direct sun, keeping it from drying out. I actually found some moss the other day in the Mojave desert of all places. It was behind the permanent shadow of a large rock, which allowed it to stay cool and moist. Tyler On Mar 17, 2009, at 7:55 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote: BINGO. I think moss is a fungus, and on what does a fungus feed? On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com writes: Ah-HA. Where the grass withers, the moss takes over. Darwin 101. In my yard, it is mushrooms rather than moss. That, and I think there is an ancient, abandoned sewer pipe (I've seen its clay head poking up thru the ground when the weather is just right) is leaking moisture into the ground. You might be right about the moisture factor. It's mostly over the septic field where the problem is the worst. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
