[MBZ] nissens

[Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes]

the nissens we had was from denmark, i believe

not china as someone said

as in this website

http://www.nissens.com/


thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins
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Re: [MBZ] Type III ACC Questions

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes I have had them fail too, I am not sure how much they cost these 
days but might just replace it with a programa rebuilt one.


On 3/8/2016 9:57 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Re. the compressor problem, 'been trying to remember name of relay 
that caused same problem on my '87 300D - a relay behind the 
battery.  Somebody help me remember its name.  Is it overvoltage 
relay?  Again, behind battery on '87 300D.
'Had same prob with compressor that Dan is having with '90 350SDL. I 
replaced that relay behind battery to cure prob.


Overvoltage relay on 350SDL is at  rear of engine comp. inward from 
fuse box.  Small rectangular unit  w/clear, plastic top, I think.


Wilton


All my problems were the KLIMA relay.  The Beloved Herr Doktor argued 
with me, and said the Klimas never failed (in his experience).  My 
experience was that EVERY KLIMA fails.  OVP relay can cause wonky 
problems too.  I've never had an OVP relay failYET!


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Re: [MBZ] Type III ACC Questions

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Diesels ROCK, guys!  Had I been driving a vergasser I would have 
been stranded at the side of the road.


Dan


Uh, that is OLD Diesels ROCK, guys!  Had I been driving a vergasser I 
would have been stranded at the side of the road.   Mechanical Fuel 
Injection ROCKS!


Had you been driving vergasser OR a newer Dissel with electronic 
(computer) controlled injection,  you would have been F.O.R.D.


Clinging to my bibles and my OLD DIESELS!  But it is pillory and her 
pill-posse that are bitter clingers.


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Re: [MBZ] Type III ACC Questions

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Re. the compressor problem, 'been trying to remember name of relay 
that caused same problem on my '87 300D - a relay behind the 
battery.  Somebody help me remember its name.  Is it overvoltage 
relay?  Again, behind battery on '87 300D.
'Had same prob with compressor that Dan is having with '90 350SDL. 
I replaced that relay behind battery to cure prob.


Overvoltage relay on 350SDL is at  rear of engine comp. inward from 
fuse box.  Small rectangular unit  w/clear, plastic top, I think.


Wilton


All my problems were the KLIMA relay.  The Beloved Herr Doktor argued 
with me, and said the Klimas never failed (in his experience).  My 
experience was that EVERY KLIMA fails.  OVP relay can cause wonky 
problems too.  I've never had an OVP relay failYET!


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[MBZ] CL Mentally challenged of the week

[clay via Mercedes]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/5458918317.html

REALLY?  $14k for a busted 240D is a bit rich.  


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] Type III ACC Questions

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

If the W126 is anything like my W123 and W116 models, the centre vents only 
emit air when cooling, NOT when heating. So it makes sense that as the interior 
temperature approaches the target that the centre vents would emit air to begin 
to balance the interior temperatures.

Nothing to with what you're trying to figure out here, but I would also mention 
that unplugging the aux water pump (the unfused one that burns out and takes 
the pushbutton unit with) is a good idea. It's mostly unnecessary and see above 
re hazard. There are now fuse kits available, but again I've never seen the 
point of that pump and I've lived in some very cold places.

D.

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Re: [MBZ] Type III ACC Questions

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Bingo, 21 steps I think, section 83 of the service manual.

Lacking the special test rig, given a good wiring diagram and skillful use of a 
digital multi-meter, almost all of the tests can be replicated.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On March 8, 2016 9:43:29 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>..snip...
>At the end of the day there is a list of specific tests that must be
>done in order to isolate the peoblem
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight jack coupon

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

IIRC somebody said the HF aluminum jacks were terrible and dangerous 
and made your kids dumb and your hair fall out

-Curt

  From: Craig via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Craig 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 11:06 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] Harbor Freight jack coupon
  
In light of our recent discussion about jacks, I thought you might like a

coupon for one of Harbor Freight's.

Craig



Compared to my farm store/HF (NLA) twin 3 ton capacity STEEL floor 
jacks, those little things are cheap and scary looking.  Maybe for a 
cheap roadside jack to change a tire on a rustbucket, but not for 
really working onthe car.


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Re: [MBZ] Need to replace radiator on my 1985 W123 300TD - what to do?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Looks like there are no OEM radiators available for my 1985 3200TD.

Some company called Nissens has a corner on the market.  It's either one of
these or a used OEM radiator.  Recommendations?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nissens-Radiator-fits-1981-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD-300TD-300CD-30-/291539005594?hash=item43e114309a:g:PBwAAOSwd0BVzNvB=mtr

Seems pricey, although Autohaus sells one for $190.


Andrew
1983 300TD
1985 300TD


Buy the nissen.  THey are fine

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Re: [MBZ] BAT 240D with leather?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Todays Bring a Trailer shows an 83 ( I think) and tge discription says it
has Palomino leather. Looks like MB Tex to me. Did 240Ds even have getting
leather as an option? I thought no

Bob R
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My 81 has leather.  optional.

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Re: [MBZ] Type III ACC Questions

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Iffy compressor operation can also be a slipping belt, which kicks out  
the KLIMA til restart -- easy enough to check, cycle the keyswitch and  
it will come back for a while.


Sadly, this can also be a bad compressor dragging when it's hot, I've  
had that happen to me.  Easy change if you can find a good one, but  
get a filter put into the suction side hose if you replace it.


Center vent is probably a vacuum issue, make sure you don't have a  
leak in something else up in the engine compartment that prevents full  
vac at the supply for the ACC.  Also check the switchover valves and  
associated elbows.


A shot of contact cleaner into the temp control wheel rheostat can  
work wonders too.


Verify that all the temp sensors are good -- a bad on at the  
evaporator that goes open when cold will shut the AC off too.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Type III ACC Questions

[WILTON via Mercedes]

NO, no!  It's KLIMA!  Just remembered!  KLIMA!

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "WILTON" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Type III ACC Questions


Re. the compressor problem, 'been trying to remember name of relay that 
caused same problem on my '87 300D - a relay behind the battery.  Somebody 
help me remember its name.  Is it overvoltage relay?  Again, behind 
battery on '87 300D.
'Had same prob with compressor that Dan is having with '90 350SDL.  I 
replaced that relay behind battery to cure prob.


Overvoltage relay on 350SDL is at  rear of engine comp. inward from fuse 
box.  Small rectangular unit  w/clear, plastic top, I think.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes List" 
Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 5:12 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Type III ACC Questions


As I get the 350SDL sorted out, I'm starting to turn towards the ACC 
system. It works, sort of, but has some quirks that I know are not right.


I'll be doing some research in the next couple of days to learn what I 
can but I figured I would toss things out here in the hope that maybe 
someone might recognize some of these and have some input. So here's 
what's going on:


The good:

Fan speeds seem to be good and somewhat temperature dependent. If the 
temp is set low and it's hot, you get high fan speed until things cool 
down, which is what it should be doing. Same in reverse with heat.


The various modes sort of work correctly for the most part (more on this 
later.). Heat comes out the floor, defrost out the top of the dash.


AC is charged and has proper pressures. Definitely gets cold.

The not so good:

Center vents are weird. They do work, but rarely. They only seem to come 
on during transitions when the system is close to the desired 
temperature. For example, when you want full cold, you get defroster 
vents, not center vents. When the system has almost reached the desired 
temperature, the center vents kick in. I think this is important to note 
since I realize that the system default is defrost - the center vents do 
work, just not for a lot of the time.


The aspirator fan wasn't working and the thermistor in the ceiling grille 
was filthy. It has been cleaned and I have the aspirator fan working.


When the AC is run, it comes on and makes plenty of cold. But - once the 
compressor cycles off the first time, it doesn't come back on until the 
car is shut off. So you get cold until it cools down, then you get 
ambient air - the compressor never comes back on.


The PO threw an evaporator temperature switch at the car, which they 
claim fixed the problem. It doesn't appear that's the case.


So, to summarize:

Center vents are wonky
AC compressor won't cycle back on

I'm all ears, folks. I know the Gen 1 ACC system, but the later system is 
a bit more complex and not something I'm familiar with.


Thanks,

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Type III ACC Questions

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I'm not sure it has been a while 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 8, 2016, at 8:28 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I really don’t think I have any leaks.  I drove home tonight from the mother 
> in-law’s, which is about 50 miles, mostly interstate, and I was able to get 
> the system to change state based on he temperature setting.  The closer the 
> cabin temperature was to the setting, the more the center vents worked.
> 
> I would think if it was leaking it would be less predictable.  Maybe not, 
> that’s just the logic I’m working off of.
> 
> Now let’s throw a wrench in the proverbial gears:
> 
> So I get off the interstate and have about seven miles on surface streets to 
> get home.  As I pull up to a stop light, both my ABS and SRS lights come on.  
> Shoot.
> 
> As I get closer to home, the radio cuts out.  Then it comes on again.  Then 
> it cuts out.
> 
> Hmm.
> 
> Headlights look really dim.  Really dim.
> 
> Make the dash home with everything electrical turned off that I can think of. 
>  Pull into to the driveway, pop the hood, put a meter on the battery while 
> the engine is running.
> 
> 10.1 volts.  Not good.  Alternator has taken a dump.
> 
> Go inside, check with Advance Auto, they have a Carquest rebuilt in stock 
> five minutes away.  Have the youngster take me down there after I enter an 
> order online with a 40% off coupon.  get the rebuilt alternator, get back to 
> the ranch.  Change clothes, grab a quick snack since my last meal was lunch 
> (Indian, yum!) and then head out to the garage.
> 
> Start to finish: 40 minutes.
> 
> So I’m wondering if the electrical system issues could have affected the 
> compressor.  However, I turned the AC on and off several times on my trip 
> home with the temperature set all the way to “Cold” and every time I did it 
> the compressor came on and it got cold - real cold.
> 
> Kaleb - is the center vent vacuum pod one that has two sources of vacuum, or 
> just one?
> 
> Diesels ROCK, guys!  Had I been driving a vergasser I would have been 
> stranded at the side of the road.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 8, 2016, at 6:34 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Here are your problems. You have vacuum leaks somewhere. Could be the center 
>> vent element or could be be other places in the system. Sounds like it 
>> sometimes pulls enough vacuum to open the vent. As far as compressor goes 
>> that is the classic clutch issue. The sensor in the compressor senses it 
>> slipping and shuts it off. You can get shims I believe to tighten it up but 
>> otherwise replace compressor clutch.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Type III ACC Questions

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The Klima relay cuts the compressor off if it gets the slipping signal. At the 
end of the day there is a list of specific tests that must be done in order to 
isolate the peoblem

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 8, 2016, at 8:07 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Re. the compressor problem, 'been trying to remember name of relay that 
> caused same problem on my '87 300D - a relay behind the battery.  Somebody 
> help me remember its name.  Is it overvoltage relay?  Again, behind battery 
> on '87 300D.
> 'Had same prob with compressor that Dan is having with '90 350SDL.  I 
> replaced that relay behind battery to cure prob.
> 
> Overvoltage relay on 350SDL is at  rear of engine comp. inward from fuse box. 
>  Small rectangular unit  w/clear, plastic top, I think.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
> 
> To: "Mercedes List" 
> Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 5:12 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] Type III ACC Questions
> 
> 
>> As I get the 350SDL sorted out, I'm starting to turn towards the ACC system. 
>> It works, sort of, but has some quirks that I know are not right.
>> 
>> I'll be doing some research in the next couple of days to learn what I can 
>> but I figured I would toss things out here in the hope that maybe someone 
>> might recognize some of these and have some input. So here's what's going on:
>> 
>> The good:
>> 
>> Fan speeds seem to be good and somewhat temperature dependent. If the temp 
>> is set low and it's hot, you get high fan speed until things cool down, 
>> which is what it should be doing. Same in reverse with heat.
>> 
>> The various modes sort of work correctly for the most part (more on this 
>> later.). Heat comes out the floor, defrost out the top of the dash.
>> 
>> AC is charged and has proper pressures. Definitely gets cold.
>> 
>> The not so good:
>> 
>> Center vents are weird. They do work, but rarely. They only seem to come on 
>> during transitions when the system is close to the desired temperature. For 
>> example, when you want full cold, you get defroster vents, not center vents. 
>> When the system has almost reached the desired temperature, the center vents 
>> kick in. I think this is important to note since I realize that the system 
>> default is defrost - the center vents do work, just not for a lot of the 
>> time.
>> 
>> The aspirator fan wasn't working and the thermistor in the ceiling grille 
>> was filthy. It has been cleaned and I have the aspirator fan working.
>> 
>> When the AC is run, it comes on and makes plenty of cold. But - once the 
>> compressor cycles off the first time, it doesn't come back on until the car 
>> is shut off. So you get cold until it cools down, then you get ambient air - 
>> the compressor never comes back on.
>> 
>> The PO threw an evaporator temperature switch at the car, which they claim 
>> fixed the problem. It doesn't appear that's the case.
>> 
>> So, to summarize:
>> 
>> Center vents are wonky
>> AC compressor won't cycle back on
>> 
>> I'm all ears, folks. I know the Gen 1 ACC system, but the later system is a 
>> bit more complex and not something I'm familiar with.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Type III ACC Questions

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

ACC panel has been inspected and verified to be in good operating order - I 
checked it last weekend.  Interestingly, the Gen 2 W126 models have a slightly 
redesigned ACC controller that eliminated the right angle joints that were 
soldered.  The later models have the plugs and everything on a single board.

Thanks!

Dan


> On Mar 8, 2016, at 9:33 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> The ACC panel can have bad solder joints, but I have seen
> 126 problems with the vacuum switch array (behind PBU) losing
> electrical continuity on some of the valves.  And there's
> always vacuum leaks in the actuators to contend with.
> 
> -- Jim
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Type III ACC Questions

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

The ACC panel can have bad solder joints, but I have seen
126 problems with the vacuum switch array (behind PBU) losing
electrical continuity on some of the valves.  And there's
always vacuum leaks in the actuators to contend with.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Type III ACC Questions

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Re. the compressor problem, 'been trying to remember name of relay 
that caused same problem on my '87 300D - a relay behind the battery.


Klima.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Type III ACC Questions

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I really don’t think I have any leaks.  I drove home tonight from the mother 
in-law’s, which is about 50 miles, mostly interstate, and I was able to get the 
system to change state based on he temperature setting.  The closer the cabin 
temperature was to the setting, the more the center vents worked.

I would think if it was leaking it would be less predictable.  Maybe not, 
that’s just the logic I’m working off of.

Now let’s throw a wrench in the proverbial gears:

So I get off the interstate and have about seven miles on surface streets to 
get home.  As I pull up to a stop light, both my ABS and SRS lights come on.  
Shoot.

As I get closer to home, the radio cuts out.  Then it comes on again.  Then it 
cuts out.

Hmm.

Headlights look really dim.  Really dim.

Make the dash home with everything electrical turned off that I can think of.  
Pull into to the driveway, pop the hood, put a meter on the battery while the 
engine is running.

10.1 volts.  Not good.  Alternator has taken a dump.

Go inside, check with Advance Auto, they have a Carquest rebuilt in stock five 
minutes away.  Have the youngster take me down there after I enter an order 
online with a 40% off coupon.  get the rebuilt alternator, get back to the 
ranch.  Change clothes, grab a quick snack since my last meal was lunch 
(Indian, yum!) and then head out to the garage.

Start to finish: 40 minutes.

So I’m wondering if the electrical system issues could have affected the 
compressor.  However, I turned the AC on and off several times on my trip home 
with the temperature set all the way to “Cold” and every time I did it the 
compressor came on and it got cold - real cold.

Kaleb - is the center vent vacuum pod one that has two sources of vacuum, or 
just one?

Diesels ROCK, guys!  Had I been driving a vergasser I would have been stranded 
at the side of the road.

Dan





> On Mar 8, 2016, at 6:34 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here are your problems. You have vacuum leaks somewhere. Could be the center 
> vent element or could be be other places in the system. Sounds like it 
> sometimes pulls enough vacuum to open the vent. As far as compressor goes 
> that is the classic clutch issue. The sensor in the compressor senses it 
> slipping and shuts it off. You can get shims I believe to tighten it up but 
> otherwise replace compressor clutch.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Type III ACC Questions

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Re. the compressor problem, 'been trying to remember name of relay that 
caused same problem on my '87 300D - a relay behind the battery.  Somebody 
help me remember its name.  Is it overvoltage relay?  Again, behind battery 
on '87 300D.
'Had same prob with compressor that Dan is having with '90 350SDL.  I 
replaced that relay behind battery to cure prob.


Overvoltage relay on 350SDL is at  rear of engine comp. inward from fuse 
box.  Small rectangular unit  w/clear, plastic top, I think.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes List" 
Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 5:12 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Type III ACC Questions


As I get the 350SDL sorted out, I'm starting to turn towards the ACC 
system. It works, sort of, but has some quirks that I know are not right.


I'll be doing some research in the next couple of days to learn what I can 
but I figured I would toss things out here in the hope that maybe someone 
might recognize some of these and have some input. So here's what's going 
on:


The good:

Fan speeds seem to be good and somewhat temperature dependent. If the temp 
is set low and it's hot, you get high fan speed until things cool down, 
which is what it should be doing. Same in reverse with heat.


The various modes sort of work correctly for the most part (more on this 
later.). Heat comes out the floor, defrost out the top of the dash.


AC is charged and has proper pressures. Definitely gets cold.

The not so good:

Center vents are weird. They do work, but rarely. They only seem to come 
on during transitions when the system is close to the desired temperature. 
For example, when you want full cold, you get defroster vents, not center 
vents. When the system has almost reached the desired temperature, the 
center vents kick in. I think this is important to note since I realize 
that the system default is defrost - the center vents do work, just not 
for a lot of the time.


The aspirator fan wasn't working and the thermistor in the ceiling grille 
was filthy. It has been cleaned and I have the aspirator fan working.


When the AC is run, it comes on and makes plenty of cold. But - once the 
compressor cycles off the first time, it doesn't come back on until the 
car is shut off. So you get cold until it cools down, then you get ambient 
air - the compressor never comes back on.


The PO threw an evaporator temperature switch at the car, which they claim 
fixed the problem. It doesn't appear that's the case.


So, to summarize:

Center vents are wonky
AC compressor won't cycle back on

I'm all ears, folks. I know the Gen 1 ACC system, but the later system is 
a bit more complex and not something I'm familiar with.


Thanks,

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea

[clay via Mercedes]

Funny as heck, #1 boy would make all manner of odious remarks at me when I 
would brew up a pitcher of sweet tea.  Dad used to love is, being from Texas, 
but mom was a little less willing to allow that indulgence.

We had promised to take #1 boy to DC and visit the Atlantic states when he was 
10.  He would not touch the stuff until we stayed a week in Charleston.  By the 
time we hit the Tragic Kingdom, he was asking for jugs of store bought.  That 
devolved to those giant cans of tea.  From then on he demanded that I make him 
pitchers of the stuff.  He would suck down a whole half gallon daily.

clay

On Mar 8, 2016, at 12:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

> You're like the life long smoker who lives to be 100.
> 
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:20 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> 'Never had much of either, myself.
>> 
>> Wilton
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 2:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea
>> 
>> 
>> I get the cold sweats when a well meaning southerner offers me Sweet Tea.
>>> Sounds like a one two punch for tooth decay and diabetes
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:29 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, no, no . . .  You fill a pitcher (or glass) with ice cubes (or the
 shape of your choice), Brew a pot of hot tea (I prefer apricot flavored
 http://www.coffeeam.com/apblentea12l.html), and pour the hot ice over
 the
 ice.
 
 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> Oh thats how its gonna be huh?
> I say you fill the glass halfway with ice and the rest of the way with
> tea. You don't pollute it with sugar. If tea isn't good enough for you
 then
> you ought to just drink sugar water.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eELH0ivexKA
> 
> -Curt
> 
>  From: WILTON via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: WILTON 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 11:52 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea
> 
> BTW, I call Southern iced tea, "Momma's iced tea."  Ya fill the glass
 with
> ice, then ya fill the voids with Momma's sweet tea, and as the ice >
 melts,
> ya
> gotta replace it, which may provide more voids to be filled with >
 Momma's
> tea.  Far superior to that warm spit served up Nawth.;<)
> 
> Wilton
> 
>> Yes, whenever I get the chance?  Must keep the ice-to-tea ratio high
>> in
>> mine, too, or it's exceedingly "sub-par."
>> Dawncha want some?
>> 
>> Wilt
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" 
>> To: "WILTON via Mercedes" 
>> Cc: "Rick Knoble" 
>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 11:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Conclusion to broken 606 belt shock tap
>> 
>> 
>>> Wilton writes:
>>> 
 ‎Nice photos. Diet Pepsi'll be fine. >Thank you!
>>> 
>>> Y'all don't drink sweet tea?
>>> 
>>> Rick
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Well, someone actually reads my posts ;-)
I guess "hot" is relative -
The first hot should have been tea.

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> That's going to take some special science.
>
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via
> Mercedes 
> Sent: 08 March 2016 18:29
> To: Curt Raymond; Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: OK Don
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea
>
>  Brew a pot of hot tea (I prefer apricot flavored
> http://www.coffeeam.com/apblentea12l.html), and pour the hot ice over the
> ice.
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[MBZ] Seducing the baby sitter

[clay via Mercedes]

>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/cto/5472145604.html
> 
I was getting that feeling about this car.   The burning desire to do something 
really stupid that will bite you in the rear.  I made the plan and headed out 
this morning to place a bid.  There was a PnP on the way that had a CL post 
with a R107 that needed attention.   Classic cars galore, and a boat load of 
VW.  Dude at the counter even gives you a stub with row # address for  your 
car.  

There were three benz.  A totaled w210, a w123 300D, and the 107.   I pulled a 
Becker Europa cassette out of the w123.  It fires up.  Figure I put it on the 
fleabay.  The 107 had been hit already.  I think it had been sitting somewhere 
for ages, as the top was shredded and the inside was very wet.  Previous 
vulture was really polite.  He did not destroy anything in removal, piled the 
bundts in the trunk and covered up the engine after he removed the hood.\\

I had hoped to get lights, the seat shiny trim, door cards, and the fuel pump 
set up.  1973, so compatible with my SL.  I ended up getting the Dizzy with 
trigger points, MAP sensor, some wire bits, and the console controls.  This 
time I was able to pull the AC control without busting the pig tail.  The panel 
was also in much better condition than mine, bamboo.  I cleaned that up and put 
a coat of paint to match my interior.   My current center console is aged and a 
bit trashed from idiots trying to install radios.  There is a repainted console 
just waiting to go in.  Maybe summer.  When I can keep the car outside for more 
than a half hour with the top down.


clay 

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1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

That's going to take some special science.


From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via Mercedes 

Sent: 08 March 2016 18:29
To: Curt Raymond; Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: OK Don
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea

 Brew a pot of hot tea (I prefer apricot flavored
http://www.coffeeam.com/apblentea12l.html), and pour the hot ice over the
ice.

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Re: [MBZ] Type III ACC Questions

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Here are your problems. You have vacuum leaks somewhere. Could be the center 
vent element or could be be other places in the system. Sounds like it 
sometimes pulls enough vacuum to open the vent. As far as compressor goes that 
is the classic clutch issue. The sensor in the compressor senses it slipping 
and shuts it off. You can get shims I believe to tighten it up but otherwise 
replace compressor clutch.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 8, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> As I get the 350SDL sorted out, I'm starting to turn towards the ACC system. 
> It works, sort of, but has some quirks that I know are not right.
> 
> I'll be doing some research in the next couple of days to learn what I can 
> but I figured I would toss things out here in the hope that maybe someone 
> might recognize some of these and have some input. So here's what's going on:
> 
> The good:
> 
> Fan speeds seem to be good and somewhat temperature dependent. If the temp is 
> set low and it's hot, you get high fan speed until things cool down, which is 
> what it should be doing. Same in reverse with heat.
> 
> The various modes sort of work correctly for the most part (more on this 
> later.). Heat comes out the floor, defrost out the top of the dash.
> 
> AC is charged and has proper pressures. Definitely gets cold.
> 
> The not so good:
> 
> Center vents are weird. They do work, but rarely. They only seem to come on 
> during transitions when the system is close to the desired temperature. For 
> example, when you want full cold, you get defroster vents, not center vents. 
> When the system has almost reached the desired temperature, the center vents 
> kick in. I think this is important to note since I realize that the system 
> default is defrost - the center vents do work, just not for a lot of the time.
> 
> The aspirator fan wasn't working and the thermistor in the ceiling grille was 
> filthy. It has been cleaned and I have the aspirator fan working.
> 
> When the AC is run, it comes on and makes plenty of cold. But - once the 
> compressor cycles off the first time, it doesn't come back on until the car 
> is shut off. So you get cold until it cools down, then you get ambient air - 
> the compressor never comes back on.
> 
> The PO threw an evaporator temperature switch at the car, which they claim 
> fixed the problem. It doesn't appear that's the case.
> 
> So, to summarize:
> 
> Center vents are wonky
> AC compressor won't cycle back on
> 
> I'm all ears, folks. I know the Gen 1 ACC system, but the later system is a 
> bit more complex and not something I'm familiar with.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Need to replace radiator on my 1985 W123 300TD - what to do?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I put a new Nissens in my 300SD, maybe 20 years ago, and it's still running
OK.  Can't comment on quality of their current product.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 2:12 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
> Subject: [MBZ] Need to replace radiator on my 1985 W123 300TD - what to
> do?
> 
> Looks like there are no OEM radiators available for my 1985 3200TD.
> 
> Some company called Nissens has a corner on the market.  It's either one
of
> these or a used OEM radiator.  Recommendations?
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nissens-Radiator-fits-1981-1985-Mercedes-Benz-
> 300SD-300TD-300CD-30-
> /291539005594?hash=item43e114309a:g:PBwAAOSwd0BVzNvB=mtr
> 
> Seems pricey, although Autohaus sells one for $190.
> 
> 
> Andrew
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Re: [MBZ] Need to replace radiator on my 1985 W123 300TD - what to do?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I can send a used one for $120 plus shipping. I would recommend new. ‎
Rick 
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[MBZ] Type III ACC Questions

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

As I get the 350SDL sorted out, I'm starting to turn towards the ACC system. It 
works, sort of, but has some quirks that I know are not right.

I'll be doing some research in the next couple of days to learn what I can but 
I figured I would toss things out here in the hope that maybe someone might 
recognize some of these and have some input. So here's what's going on:

The good:

Fan speeds seem to be good and somewhat temperature dependent. If the temp is 
set low and it's hot, you get high fan speed until things cool down, which is 
what it should be doing. Same in reverse with heat.

The various modes sort of work correctly for the most part (more on this 
later.). Heat comes out the floor, defrost out the top of the dash.

AC is charged and has proper pressures. Definitely gets cold.

The not so good:

Center vents are weird. They do work, but rarely. They only seem to come on 
during transitions when the system is close to the desired temperature. For 
example, when you want full cold, you get defroster vents, not center vents. 
When the system has almost reached the desired temperature, the center vents 
kick in. I think this is important to note since I realize that the system 
default is defrost - the center vents do work, just not for a lot of the time.

The aspirator fan wasn't working and the thermistor in the ceiling grille was 
filthy. It has been cleaned and I have the aspirator fan working.

When the AC is run, it comes on and makes plenty of cold. But - once the 
compressor cycles off the first time, it doesn't come back on until the car is 
shut off. So you get cold until it cools down, then you get ambient air - the 
compressor never comes back on.

The PO threw an evaporator temperature switch at the car, which they claim 
fixed the problem. It doesn't appear that's the case.

So, to summarize:

Center vents are wonky
AC compressor won't cycle back on

I'm all ears, folks. I know the Gen 1 ACC system, but the later system is a bit 
more complex and not something I'm familiar with.

Thanks,

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Need to replace radiator on my 1985 W123 300TD - what to do?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

New! I've never gotten a used radiator that was any good (out of perhaps
three - I'm a slow learner). If a radiator was in a car that had the green
coolant run through it, it's trash.

made in China means nothing. The Chinese build to the specs they're given.
If good specs, you'll get a good product. All those Apple products that
many people worship are made in China . . .

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So what's your recommendation - new vs. used radiator?
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Need to replace radiator on my 1985 W123 300TD - what to do?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Absurd, but true.

What's sad is that I saved one or two used 123 radiators from my old life
but I can't find them in the cluttered garage

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> Thats absurd...
> -Curt
>
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
>  Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 3:20 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need to replace radiator on my 1985 W123 300TD - what
> to do?
>
> Got a quote from SO Cal Mercedes for $200 on a good used 1985 radiator -
> plus shipping!  They disparaged Nissens as "made in China".
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Those are fine
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Mar 8, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Looks like there are no OEM radiators available for my 1985 3200TD.
> > >
> > > Some company called Nissens has a corner on the market.  It's either
> one
> > of
> > > these or a used OEM radiator.  Recommendations?
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nissens-Radiator-fits-1981-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD-300TD-300CD-30-/291539005594?hash=item43e114309a:g:PBwAAOSwd0BVzNvB=mtr
> > >
> > > Seems pricey, although Autohaus sells one for $190.
> > >
> > >
> > > Andrew
> > > 1983 300TD
> > > 1985 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] Need to replace radiator on my 1985 W123 300TD - what to do?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Thats absurd...
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 3:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need to replace radiator on my 1985 W123 300TD - what to do?
   
Got a quote from SO Cal Mercedes for $200 on a good used 1985 radiator -
plus shipping!  They disparaged Nissens as "made in China".

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Those are fine
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 8, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Looks like there are no OEM radiators available for my 1985 3200TD.
> >
> > Some company called Nissens has a corner on the market.  It's either one
> of
> > these or a used OEM radiator.  Recommendations?
> >
> >
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nissens-Radiator-fits-1981-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD-300TD-300CD-30-/291539005594?hash=item43e114309a:g:PBwAAOSwd0BVzNvB=mtr
> >
> > Seems pricey, although Autohaus sells one for $190.
> >
> >
> > Andrew
> > 1983 300TD
> > 1985 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] Price Cut in Aisle 9!!!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Yeah, I saw that too.  He used a squeezie key to unlock the doors
remotely.  What a crock.

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> Dan wrote:
> > Remember the $10,000 coupe? Reality is setting in, or they're desperate
> for cash.
> >
> > http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5478416618.html
>
> Richarde Gere drove a green one in Primal Fear 1996 interesting movie
> that I saw last night...
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Re: [MBZ] Price Cut in Aisle 9!!!

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Dan wrote:
> Remember the $10,000 coupe? Reality is setting in, or they're desperate for 
> cash.
>
> http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5478416618.html

Richarde Gere drove a green one in Primal Fear 1996 interesting movie
that I saw last night...
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Re: [MBZ] Need to replace radiator on my 1985 W123 300TD - what to do?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So what's your recommendation - new vs. used radiator?

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
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> Andrew wrote:
> > They disparaged Nissens as "made in China".
>
> Being political?...
> Me too.  Being political began 28 years ago when the store made famous
> by their Made In USA pitch drew me in but began to remove the slogan,
> so I began to see labels.
> Today? - same - I see labels.  Politics? - the elephant in the room
> (income disparity, jobs, wages being the words in politics today...)
> is me.  Me, being the elephant in the largest economy on the planet,
> can still choose to purchase Made In USA instead of China.  Politics?
> - I favour supporting jobs in Martinsville, VA formerly sweatshirt
> capital of the world - as a fine political statement, period.  I don't
> need no steenkin' government liars promises.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Need to replace radiator on my 1985 W123 300TD - what to do?

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Andrew wrote:
> They disparaged Nissens as "made in China".

Being political?...
Me too.  Being political began 28 years ago when the store made famous
by their Made In USA pitch drew me in but began to remove the slogan,
so I began to see labels.
Today? - same - I see labels.  Politics? - the elephant in the room
(income disparity, jobs, wages being the words in politics today...)
is me.  Me, being the elephant in the largest economy on the planet,
can still choose to purchase Made In USA instead of China.  Politics?
- I favour supporting jobs in Martinsville, VA formerly sweatshirt
capital of the world - as a fine political statement, period.  I don't
need no steenkin' government liars promises.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You're like the life long smoker who lives to be 100.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:20 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> 'Never had much of either, myself.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 2:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea
>
>
> I get the cold sweats when a well meaning southerner offers me Sweet Tea.
>> Sounds like a one two punch for tooth decay and diabetes
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:29 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> No, no, no . . .  You fill a pitcher (or glass) with ice cubes (or the
>>> shape of your choice), Brew a pot of hot tea (I prefer apricot flavored
>>> http://www.coffeeam.com/apblentea12l.html), and pour the hot ice over
>>> the
>>> ice.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Oh thats how its gonna be huh?
>>> > I say you fill the glass halfway with ice and the rest of the way with
>>> > tea. You don't pollute it with sugar. If tea isn't good enough for you
>>> then
>>> > you ought to just drink sugar water.
>>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eELH0ivexKA
>>> >
>>> > -Curt
>>> >
>>> >   From: WILTON via Mercedes 
>>> >  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> > Cc: WILTON 
>>> >  Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 11:52 AM
>>> >  Subject: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea
>>> >
>>> > BTW, I call Southern iced tea, "Momma's iced tea."  Ya fill the glass
>>> with
>>> > ice, then ya fill the voids with Momma's sweet tea, and as the ice >
>>> melts,
>>> > ya
>>> > gotta replace it, which may provide more voids to be filled with >
>>> Momma's
>>> > tea.  Far superior to that warm spit served up Nawth.;<)
>>> >
>>> > Wilton
>>> >
>>> > > Yes, whenever I get the chance?  Must keep the ice-to-tea ratio high
>>> > > in
>>> > > mine, too, or it's exceedingly "sub-par."
>>> > > Dawncha want some?
>>> > >
>>> > > Wilt
>>> > >
>>> > > - Original Message -
>>> > > From: "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" 
>>> > > To: "WILTON via Mercedes" 
>>> > > Cc: "Rick Knoble" 
>>> > > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 11:06 PM
>>> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Conclusion to broken 606 belt shock tap
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >> Wilton writes:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>>‎Nice photos. Diet Pepsi'll be fine. >Thank you!
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Y'all don't drink sweet tea?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Rick
>>> > >
>>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Need to replace radiator on my 1985 W123 300TD - what to do?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Got a quote from SO Cal Mercedes for $200 on a good used 1985 radiator -
plus shipping!  They disparaged Nissens as "made in China".

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Those are fine
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 8, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Looks like there are no OEM radiators available for my 1985 3200TD.
> >
> > Some company called Nissens has a corner on the market.  It's either one
> of
> > these or a used OEM radiator.  Recommendations?
> >
> >
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nissens-Radiator-fits-1981-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD-300TD-300CD-30-/291539005594?hash=item43e114309a:g:PBwAAOSwd0BVzNvB=mtr
> >
> > Seems pricey, although Autohaus sells one for $190.
> >
> >
> > Andrew
> > 1983 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Never had much of either, myself.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea



I get the cold sweats when a well meaning southerner offers me Sweet Tea.
Sounds like a one two punch for tooth decay and diabetes

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:29 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 


wrote:


No, no, no . . .  You fill a pitcher (or glass) with ice cubes (or the
shape of your choice), Brew a pot of hot tea (I prefer apricot flavored
http://www.coffeeam.com/apblentea12l.html), and pour the hot ice over the
ice.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Oh thats how its gonna be huh?
> I say you fill the glass halfway with ice and the rest of the way with
> tea. You don't pollute it with sugar. If tea isn't good enough for you
then
> you ought to just drink sugar water.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eELH0ivexKA
>
> -Curt
>
>   From: WILTON via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: WILTON 
>  Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 11:52 AM
>  Subject: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea
>
> BTW, I call Southern iced tea, "Momma's iced tea."  Ya fill the glass
with
> ice, then ya fill the voids with Momma's sweet tea, and as the ice 
> melts,

> ya
> gotta replace it, which may provide more voids to be filled with 
> Momma's

> tea.  Far superior to that warm spit served up Nawth.;<)
>
> Wilton
>
> > Yes, whenever I get the chance?  Must keep the ice-to-tea ratio high 
> > in

> > mine, too, or it's exceedingly "sub-par."
> > Dawncha want some?
> >
> > Wilt
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" 
> > To: "WILTON via Mercedes" 
> > Cc: "Rick Knoble" 
> > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 11:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Conclusion to broken 606 belt shock tap
> >
> >
> >> Wilton writes:
> >>
> >>>‎Nice photos. Diet Pepsi'll be fine. >Thank you!
> >>
> >> Y'all don't drink sweet tea?
> >>
> >> Rick
> >
>
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who

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for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My irrational fears are probably causing me to miss out on a lot of Great
Tastin Food.


On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:16 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> That's okay, too, if that's what ya want.  'Leaves more of the good stuff
> for me.  ;<)
>
> Wilt
>
> - Original Message - From: "OK Don via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Curt Raymond" ; "Mercedes Discussion List" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: "OK Don" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 1:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea
>
>
>
> No, no, no . . .  You fill a pitcher (or glass) with ice cubes (or the
>> shape of your choice), Brew a pot of hot tea (I prefer apricot flavored
>> http://www.coffeeam.com/apblentea12l.html), and pour the hot ice over the
>> ice.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Oh thats how its gonna be huh?
>>> I say you fill the glass halfway with ice and the rest of the way with
>>> tea. You don't pollute it with sugar. If tea isn't good enough for you
>>> then
>>> you ought to just drink sugar water.
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eELH0ivexKA
>>>
>>> -Curt
>>>
>>>   From: WILTON via Mercedes 
>>>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> Cc: WILTON 
>>>  Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 11:52 AM
>>>  Subject: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea
>>>
>>> BTW, I call Southern iced tea, "Momma's iced tea."  Ya fill the glass
>>> with
>>> ice, then ya fill the voids with Momma's sweet tea, and as the ice melts,
>>> ya
>>> gotta replace it, which may provide more voids to be filled with Momma's
>>> tea.  Far superior to that warm spit served up Nawth.;<)
>>>
>>> Wilton
>>>
>>> > Yes, whenever I get the chance?  Must keep the ice-to-tea ratio high in
>>> > mine, too, or it's exceedingly "sub-par."
>>> > Dawncha want some?
>>> >
>>> > Wilt
>>> >
>>> > - Original Message -
>>> > From: "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" 
>>> > To: "WILTON via Mercedes" 
>>> > Cc: "Rick Knoble" 
>>> > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 11:06 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Conclusion to broken 606 belt shock tap
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Wilton writes:
>>> >>
>>> >>>‎Nice photos. Diet Pepsi'll be fine. >Thank you!
>>> >>
>>> >> Y'all don't drink sweet tea?
>>> >>
>>> >> Rick
>>> >
>>>
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>> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>>
>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
>> who
>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>> for themselves."
>>
>> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea

[WILTON via Mercedes]

That's okay, too, if that's what ya want.  'Leaves more of the good stuff 
for me.  ;<)


Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "OK Don via Mercedes" 
To: "Curt Raymond" ; "Mercedes Discussion List" 


Cc: "OK Don" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea



No, no, no . . .  You fill a pitcher (or glass) with ice cubes (or the
shape of your choice), Brew a pot of hot tea (I prefer apricot flavored
http://www.coffeeam.com/apblentea12l.html), and pour the hot ice over the
ice.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Oh thats how its gonna be huh?
I say you fill the glass halfway with ice and the rest of the way with
tea. You don't pollute it with sugar. If tea isn't good enough for you 
then

you ought to just drink sugar water.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eELH0ivexKA

-Curt

  From: WILTON via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: WILTON 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 11:52 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea

BTW, I call Southern iced tea, "Momma's iced tea."  Ya fill the glass 
with

ice, then ya fill the voids with Momma's sweet tea, and as the ice melts,
ya
gotta replace it, which may provide more voids to be filled with Momma's
tea.  Far superior to that warm spit served up Nawth.;<)

Wilton

> Yes, whenever I get the chance?  Must keep the ice-to-tea ratio high in
> mine, too, or it's exceedingly "sub-par."
> Dawncha want some?
>
> Wilt
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" 
> To: "WILTON via Mercedes" 
> Cc: "Rick Knoble" 
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 11:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Conclusion to broken 606 belt shock tap
>
>
>> Wilton writes:
>>
>>>‎Nice photos. Diet Pepsi'll be fine. >Thank you!
>>
>> Y'all don't drink sweet tea?
>>
>> Rick
>


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Well, that's why we all have different names.  We're not all alike nor like 
like all of the same things, and that's okay - we're all different.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Curt Raymond" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea



Oh thats how its gonna be huh?
I say you fill the glass halfway with ice and the rest of the way with 
tea. You don't pollute it with sugar. If tea isn't good enough for you 
then you ought to just drink sugar water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eELH0ivexKA

-Curt

 From: WILTON via Mercedes 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: WILTON 
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 11:52 AM
Subject: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea

BTW, I call Southern iced tea, "Momma's iced tea." Ya fill the glass with
ice, then ya fill the voids with Momma's sweet tea, and as the ice melts, 
ya

gotta replace it, which may provide more voids to be filled with Momma's
tea. Far superior to that warm spit served up Nawth. ;<)

Wilton


Yes, whenever I get the chance? Must keep the ice-to-tea ratio high in
mine, too, or it's exceedingly "sub-par."
Dawncha want some?

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" 

To: "WILTON via Mercedes" 
Cc: "Rick Knoble" 
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Conclusion to broken 606 belt shock tap



Wilton writes:


‎Nice photos. Diet Pepsi'll be fine. >Thank you!


Y'all don't drink sweet tea?

Rick





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Re: [MBZ] Price Cut in Aisle 9!!!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I'm thinking $3,750 - cash money.

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>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > Remember the $10,000 coupe? Reality is setting in, or they're desperate
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> > http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5478416618.html
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Re: [MBZ] Big contest

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If I did that there would be no contest.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You could have had them all changed out by tonight.  Benz breaks are
> eezy.  You need to buy some jack stands and some wrenches and just deal
> with this stuff.  Call Jabba for all the parts then take oober (or, more
> appropriately, the bus) to work for a coupla days while the parts arrive.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 3/8/16 2:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I will send a prize to whoever guesses closest to the price I will be
>> paying to replace the entire rear brake system in my 1983 300TD.  This is
>> for parts AND labor.
>>
>> I finally drove over to my indy to diagnose the horrible screeching
>> braking
>> noise on my white 1983 300TD wagon.  A trip up his lift showed that BOTH
>> rear calipers had seized up with a few days of each other, resulting in
>> shot rotors and (of course) pads.  The rear hoses were also in need of
>> replacement, since they were quite "original", and not in a good way.
>>
>> Because of the urgency of the work, I did not have the luxury of ordering
>> from a low priced internet catalog, e.g., Autohaus.  I relied on local
>> parts chain stores for all the components (e.g., Napa, Advance and the
>> like).  The tech charges his labor sort of by the job, but roughly $85/hr.
>>
>> Rules:  Contest ends at midnight on Wednesday 3/9/16.  Minimum bid
>> separation is $10.  Winner is whoever gets closest to the actual amount
>> for
>> parts + labor (above or below).  You may break down the various components
>> of your final estimate to illustrate how your final guess was derived.
>>
>> To summarize:
>>
>> Parts - rear brake pads, 2 rear hoses, 2 rear rotors, L and R rebuilt
>> caliper
>> Labor - cost to install these parts
>>
>> Prize winner will receive choice of home made jalapeno or habanero pepper
>> jelly, applesauce, or cranberry applesauce.  Apples locally grown in my
>> new
>> front yard.
>>
>> Andrew, spreading largesse.
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Re: [MBZ] Need to replace radiator on my 1985 W123 300TD - what to do?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Those are fine

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> On Mar 8, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looks like there are no OEM radiators available for my 1985 3200TD.
> 
> Some company called Nissens has a corner on the market.  It's either one of
> these or a used OEM radiator.  Recommendations?
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nissens-Radiator-fits-1981-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD-300TD-300CD-30-/291539005594?hash=item43e114309a:g:PBwAAOSwd0BVzNvB=mtr
> 
> Seems pricey, although Autohaus sells one for $190.
> 
> 
> Andrew
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Re: [MBZ] Price Cut in Aisle 9!!!

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well they need to cut a lot more 

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> On Mar 8, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Remember the $10,000 coupe? Reality is setting in, or they're desperate for 
> cash.
> 
> http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5478416618.html
> 
> Dan 
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Re: [MBZ] Big contest

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

You could have had them all changed out by tonight.  Benz breaks are 
eezy.  You need to buy some jack stands and some wrenches and just deal 
with this stuff.  Call Jabba for all the parts then take oober (or, more 
appropriately, the bus) to work for a coupla days while the parts arrive.


--R

On 3/8/16 2:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I will send a prize to whoever guesses closest to the price I will be
paying to replace the entire rear brake system in my 1983 300TD.  This is
for parts AND labor.

I finally drove over to my indy to diagnose the horrible screeching braking
noise on my white 1983 300TD wagon.  A trip up his lift showed that BOTH
rear calipers had seized up with a few days of each other, resulting in
shot rotors and (of course) pads.  The rear hoses were also in need of
replacement, since they were quite "original", and not in a good way.

Because of the urgency of the work, I did not have the luxury of ordering
from a low priced internet catalog, e.g., Autohaus.  I relied on local
parts chain stores for all the components (e.g., Napa, Advance and the
like).  The tech charges his labor sort of by the job, but roughly $85/hr.

Rules:  Contest ends at midnight on Wednesday 3/9/16.  Minimum bid
separation is $10.  Winner is whoever gets closest to the actual amount for
parts + labor (above or below).  You may break down the various components
of your final estimate to illustrate how your final guess was derived.

To summarize:

Parts - rear brake pads, 2 rear hoses, 2 rear rotors, L and R rebuilt
caliper
Labor - cost to install these parts

Prize winner will receive choice of home made jalapeno or habanero pepper
jelly, applesauce, or cranberry applesauce.  Apples locally grown in my new
front yard.

Andrew, spreading largesse.
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Re: [MBZ] HF aluminum jack

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Is that the "Bill Clinton" model?

--R

On 3/8/16 2:36 PM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes wrote:

i'll bet i haven't used it 10 times …. last time i tried (moving some printing 
presses), the jack would rise with a pump of the handle bit it would not stay 
up … it went back down immediately



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Re: [MBZ] HF aluminum jack

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Both are the common complaints for cheap jacks.
There are lots of rebuild instructions online, I'd probably try to repair the 
HF unit. Once fixed it'd probably be better than new...
-Curt

  From: Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes 
 To: "mercedes@okiebenz.com List"  
Cc: Rick Hawkins Java 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 2:36 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] HF aluminum jack
   
Folks

i bought one of the HF aluminum jacks probably 9 months ago

i'll bet i haven't used it 10 times …. last time i tried (moving some printing 
presses), the jack would rise with a pump of the handle bit it would not stay 
up … it went back down immediately

the raise/lower valve seems functional

some check valve problem?

i've probably jacked 6 cars and maybe 3 or 4 printing presses

other than that it's been riding in the back of my 300td

interestingly, the same day the HF jack failed one like this failed as well

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Torin-2-Ton-Hydraulic-Trolley-Jack/33348135

it was an abused and used little jack. It's leaking out of the small pump. I 
took it apart and replaced the o ring

it still POURED out fluid

what gives

i bought the walmart one for $17 or something a month or so ago …. ordered and 
store pickup

it seems fine, but what to do with the other one

too much stuff

thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight jack coupon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I got a steel 3 ton for Christmas. I specified one with the higher lift range, 
but apparently the store didn't have any so they got me the next one down.

I've been pleased with it so far. Makes little work of raising a W140 or W126.

Dan

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> On Mar 8, 2016, at 1:55 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Really? I bought the steel 3 ton since I remembered somebody talking smack 
> about the aluminum...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Meade Dillon 
> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>  
> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 12:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight jack coupon
> 
> So THATS what happened!  I didn't get that memo
> 
> I have that jack (1.5 ton aluminum "racing" jack) and it works great.  I can 
> easily lifter either the entire front end or rear end of my two MB's.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> IIRC somebody said the HF aluminum jacks were terrible and dangerous and made 
> your kids dumb and your hair fall out
> -Curt
> 
>   From: Craig via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Craig 
>  Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 11:06 AM
>  Subject: [MBZ] Harbor Freight jack coupon
> 
> In light of our recent discussion about jacks, I thought you might like a
> coupon for one of Harbor Freight's.
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Big contest

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I just did this job on the Golf and parts were around $450 but I went with new 
calipers ($104 each) and didn't do the hoses ($50 each!) so with labor I'm 
going to guess $500 even.
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 2:31 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Big contest
   
I will send a prize to whoever guesses closest to the price I will be
paying to replace the entire rear brake system in my 1983 300TD.  This is
for parts AND labor.

I finally drove over to my indy to diagnose the horrible screeching braking
noise on my white 1983 300TD wagon.  A trip up his lift showed that BOTH
rear calipers had seized up with a few days of each other, resulting in
shot rotors and (of course) pads.  The rear hoses were also in need of
replacement, since they were quite "original", and not in a good way.

Because of the urgency of the work, I did not have the luxury of ordering
from a low priced internet catalog, e.g., Autohaus.  I relied on local
parts chain stores for all the components (e.g., Napa, Advance and the
like).  The tech charges his labor sort of by the job, but roughly $85/hr.

Rules:  Contest ends at midnight on Wednesday 3/9/16.  Minimum bid
separation is $10.  Winner is whoever gets closest to the actual amount for
parts + labor (above or below).  You may break down the various components
of your final estimate to illustrate how your final guess was derived.

To summarize:

Parts - rear brake pads, 2 rear hoses, 2 rear rotors, L and R rebuilt
caliper
Labor - cost to install these parts

Prize winner will receive choice of home made jalapeno or habanero pepper
jelly, applesauce, or cranberry applesauce.  Apples locally grown in my new
front yard.

Andrew, spreading largesse.
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[MBZ] HF aluminum jack

[Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes]

Folks

i bought one of the HF aluminum jacks probably 9 months ago

i'll bet i haven't used it 10 times …. last time i tried (moving some printing 
presses), the jack would rise with a pump of the handle bit it would not stay 
up … it went back down immediately

the raise/lower valve seems functional

some check valve problem?

i've probably jacked 6 cars and maybe 3 or 4 printing presses

other than that it's been riding in the back of my 300td

interestingly, the same day the HF jack failed one like this failed as well

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Torin-2-Ton-Hydraulic-Trolley-Jack/33348135

it was an abused and used little jack. It's leaking out of the small pump. I 
took it apart and replaced the o ring

it still POURED out fluid

what gives

i bought the walmart one for $17 or something a month or so ago …. ordered and 
store pickup

it seems fine, but what to do with the other one

too much stuff

thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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[MBZ] Big contest

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I will send a prize to whoever guesses closest to the price I will be
paying to replace the entire rear brake system in my 1983 300TD.  This is
for parts AND labor.

I finally drove over to my indy to diagnose the horrible screeching braking
noise on my white 1983 300TD wagon.  A trip up his lift showed that BOTH
rear calipers had seized up with a few days of each other, resulting in
shot rotors and (of course) pads.  The rear hoses were also in need of
replacement, since they were quite "original", and not in a good way.

Because of the urgency of the work, I did not have the luxury of ordering
from a low priced internet catalog, e.g., Autohaus.  I relied on local
parts chain stores for all the components (e.g., Napa, Advance and the
like).  The tech charges his labor sort of by the job, but roughly $85/hr.

Rules:  Contest ends at midnight on Wednesday 3/9/16.  Minimum bid
separation is $10.  Winner is whoever gets closest to the actual amount for
parts + labor (above or below).  You may break down the various components
of your final estimate to illustrate how your final guess was derived.

To summarize:

Parts - rear brake pads, 2 rear hoses, 2 rear rotors, L and R rebuilt
caliper
Labor - cost to install these parts

Prize winner will receive choice of home made jalapeno or habanero pepper
jelly, applesauce, or cranberry applesauce.  Apples locally grown in my new
front yard.

Andrew, spreading largesse.
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Re: [MBZ] Need to replace radiator on my 1985 W123 300TD - what to do?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Nissens makes a good radiator. I think they might have been OEM for the later 
cars...
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 2:12 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Need to replace radiator on my 1985 W123 300TD - what to do?
   
Looks like there are no OEM radiators available for my 1985 3200TD.

Some company called Nissens has a corner on the market.  It's either one of
these or a used OEM radiator.  Recommendations?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nissens-Radiator-fits-1981-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD-300TD-300CD-30-/291539005594?hash=item43e114309a:g:PBwAAOSwd0BVzNvB=mtr

Seems pricey, although Autohaus sells one for $190.


Andrew
1983 300TD
1985 300TD
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[MBZ] Need to replace radiator on my 1985 W123 300TD - what to do?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Looks like there are no OEM radiators available for my 1985 3200TD.

Some company called Nissens has a corner on the market.  It's either one of
these or a used OEM radiator.  Recommendations?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nissens-Radiator-fits-1981-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD-300TD-300CD-30-/291539005594?hash=item43e114309a:g:PBwAAOSwd0BVzNvB=mtr

Seems pricey, although Autohaus sells one for $190.


Andrew
1983 300TD
1985 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I get the cold sweats when a well meaning southerner offers me Sweet Tea.
Sounds like a one two punch for tooth decay and diabetes

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:29 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> No, no, no . . .  You fill a pitcher (or glass) with ice cubes (or the
> shape of your choice), Brew a pot of hot tea (I prefer apricot flavored
> http://www.coffeeam.com/apblentea12l.html), and pour the hot ice over the
> ice.
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Oh thats how its gonna be huh?
> > I say you fill the glass halfway with ice and the rest of the way with
> > tea. You don't pollute it with sugar. If tea isn't good enough for you
> then
> > you ought to just drink sugar water.
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eELH0ivexKA
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >   From: WILTON via Mercedes 
> >  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: WILTON 
> >  Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 11:52 AM
> >  Subject: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea
> >
> > BTW, I call Southern iced tea, "Momma's iced tea."  Ya fill the glass
> with
> > ice, then ya fill the voids with Momma's sweet tea, and as the ice melts,
> > ya
> > gotta replace it, which may provide more voids to be filled with Momma's
> > tea.  Far superior to that warm spit served up Nawth.;<)
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> > > Yes, whenever I get the chance?  Must keep the ice-to-tea ratio high in
> > > mine, too, or it's exceedingly "sub-par."
> > > Dawncha want some?
> > >
> > > Wilt
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" 
> > > To: "WILTON via Mercedes" 
> > > Cc: "Rick Knoble" 
> > > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 11:06 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Conclusion to broken 606 belt shock tap
> > >
> > >
> > >> Wilton writes:
> > >>
> > >>>‎Nice photos. Diet Pepsi'll be fine. >Thank you!
> > >>
> > >> Y'all don't drink sweet tea?
> > >>
> > >> Rick
> > >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight jack coupon

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

I like HF aluminum. I also have HF steel but it  started leaking after only 
couple years. Junk. Aluminum ten years now and is perfect.

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> On Mar 8, 2016, at 1:55 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Really? I bought the steel 3 ton since I remembered somebody talking smack 
> about the aluminum...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Meade Dillon 
> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>  
> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 12:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight jack coupon
> 
> So THATS what happened!  I didn't get that memo
> 
> I have that jack (1.5 ton aluminum "racing" jack) and it works great.  I can 
> easily lifter either the entire front end or rear end of my two MB's.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> IIRC somebody said the HF aluminum jacks were terrible and dangerous and made 
> your kids dumb and your hair fall out
> -Curt
> 
>   From: Craig via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Craig 
>  Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 11:06 AM
>  Subject: [MBZ] Harbor Freight jack coupon
> 
> In light of our recent discussion about jacks, I thought you might like a
> coupon for one of Harbor Freight's.
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight jack coupon

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Really? I bought the steel 3 ton since I remembered somebody talking smack 
about the aluminum...
-Curt

  From: Meade Dillon 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 12:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight jack coupon
   
So THATS what happened!  I didn't get that memo

I have that jack (1.5 ton aluminum "racing" jack) and it works great.  I can 
easily lifter either the entire front end or rear end of my two MB's.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

IIRC somebody said the HF aluminum jacks were terrible and dangerous and made 
your kids dumb and your hair fall out
-Curt

      From: Craig via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Craig 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 11:06 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] Harbor Freight jack coupon

In light of our recent discussion about jacks, I thought you might like a
coupon for one of Harbor Freight's.


Craig




  
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Re: [MBZ] Price Cut in Aisle 9!!!

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Retribution time for Bob (? I think it was Bob).  Purchase this, remove the
gasser drivetrain and install a proper compression ignition motor from one
that your acquaintance has cast off?  Maybe trade him the gasser
drivetrain?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Remember the $10,000 coupe? Reality is setting in, or they're desperate
> for cash.
>
> http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5478416618.html
>
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] BAT 240D with leather?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have seen a few with it but it is rare.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 8, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Todays Bring a Trailer shows an 83 ( I think) and tge discription says it
> has Palomino leather. Looks like MB Tex to me. Did 240Ds even have getting
> leather as an option? I thought no
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea

[OK Don via Mercedes]

No, no, no . . .  You fill a pitcher (or glass) with ice cubes (or the
shape of your choice), Brew a pot of hot tea (I prefer apricot flavored
http://www.coffeeam.com/apblentea12l.html), and pour the hot ice over the
ice.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Oh thats how its gonna be huh?
> I say you fill the glass halfway with ice and the rest of the way with
> tea. You don't pollute it with sugar. If tea isn't good enough for you then
> you ought to just drink sugar water.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eELH0ivexKA
>
> -Curt
>
>   From: WILTON via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: WILTON 
>  Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 11:52 AM
>  Subject: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea
>
> BTW, I call Southern iced tea, "Momma's iced tea."  Ya fill the glass with
> ice, then ya fill the voids with Momma's sweet tea, and as the ice melts,
> ya
> gotta replace it, which may provide more voids to be filled with Momma's
> tea.  Far superior to that warm spit served up Nawth.;<)
>
> Wilton
>
> > Yes, whenever I get the chance?  Must keep the ice-to-tea ratio high in
> > mine, too, or it's exceedingly "sub-par."
> > Dawncha want some?
> >
> > Wilt
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" 
> > To: "WILTON via Mercedes" 
> > Cc: "Rick Knoble" 
> > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 11:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Conclusion to broken 606 belt shock tap
> >
> >
> >> Wilton writes:
> >>
> >>>‎Nice photos. Diet Pepsi'll be fine. >Thank you!
> >>
> >> Y'all don't drink sweet tea?
> >>
> >> Rick
> >
>
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[MBZ] Price Cut in Aisle 9!!!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Remember the $10,000 coupe? Reality is setting in, or they're desperate for 
cash.

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5478416618.html

Dan 

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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight jack coupon

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

So THATS what happened!  I didn't get that memo

I have that jack (1.5 ton aluminum "racing" jack) and it works great.  I
can easily lifter either the entire front end or rear end of my two MB's.

-
Max
Charleston SC

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> IIRC somebody said the HF aluminum jacks were terrible and dangerous and
> made your kids dumb and your hair fall out
> -Curt
>
>   From: Craig via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Craig 
>  Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 11:06 AM
>  Subject: [MBZ] Harbor Freight jack coupon
>
> In light of our recent discussion about jacks, I thought you might like a
> coupon for one of Harbor Freight's.
>
>
> Craig
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Oh thats how its gonna be huh?
I say you fill the glass halfway with ice and the rest of the way with tea. You 
don't pollute it with sugar. If tea isn't good enough for you then you ought to 
just drink sugar water.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eELH0ivexKA

-Curt

  From: WILTON via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: WILTON 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 11:52 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea
   
BTW, I call Southern iced tea, "Momma's iced tea."  Ya fill the glass with 
ice, then ya fill the voids with Momma's sweet tea, and as the ice melts, ya 
gotta replace it, which may provide more voids to be filled with Momma's 
tea.  Far superior to that warm spit served up Nawth.    ;<)

Wilton

> Yes, whenever I get the chance?  Must keep the ice-to-tea ratio high in 
> mine, too, or it's exceedingly "sub-par."
> Dawncha want some?
>
> Wilt
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" 
> To: "WILTON via Mercedes" 
> Cc: "Rick Knoble" 
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 11:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Conclusion to broken 606 belt shock tap
>
>
>> Wilton writes:
>>
>>>‎Nice photos. Diet Pepsi'll be fine. >Thank you!
>>
>> Y'all don't drink sweet tea?
>>
>> Rick
> 


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Re: [MBZ] BAT 240D with leather?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Probably much like "bullet-proof" glass in a 140, too - sellers don't know 
what they're talking 'bout, i. e., don't know their cars well.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
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Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BAT 240D with leather?



Leather in a 240D is like wearing a tux to a rock concert.
On Mar 8, 2016 11:34 AM, "Bob Rentfro via Mercedes" 


wrote:


Todays Bring a Trailer shows an 83 ( I think) and tge discription says it
has Palomino leather. Looks like MB Tex to me. Did 240Ds even have 
getting

leather as an option? I thought no

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] BAT 240D with leather?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Leather in a 240D is like wearing a tux to a rock concert.
On Mar 8, 2016 11:34 AM, "Bob Rentfro via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Todays Bring a Trailer shows an 83 ( I think) and tge discription says it
> has Palomino leather. Looks like MB Tex to me. Did 240Ds even have getting
> leather as an option? I thought no
>
> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

It is asserted that sweet tea was invented just up the road in 
Summerville, SC, which was named Summerville because the plantation 
owners would decamp up that way in the summer to get away from the 
miasmas of the coastal regions.


--R

On 3/8/16 11:52 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
BTW, I call Southern iced tea, "Momma's iced tea."  Ya fill the glass 
with ice, then ya fill the voids with Momma's sweet tea, and as the 
ice melts, ya gotta replace it, which may provide more voids to be 
filled with Momma's tea.  Far superior to that warm spit served up 
Nawth.;<)


Wilton

Yes, whenever I get the chance?  Must keep the ice-to-tea ratio high 
in mine, too, or it's exceedingly "sub-par."

Dawncha want some?

Wilt

- Original Message - From: "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" 


To: "WILTON via Mercedes" 
Cc: "Rick Knoble" 
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Conclusion to broken 606 belt shock tap



Wilton writes:


‎Nice photos. Diet Pepsi'll be fine. >Thank you!


Y'all don't drink sweet tea?

Rick





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[MBZ] OT - Southern iced tea

[WILTON via Mercedes]

BTW, I call Southern iced tea, "Momma's iced tea."  Ya fill the glass with 
ice, then ya fill the voids with Momma's sweet tea, and as the ice melts, ya 
gotta replace it, which may provide more voids to be filled with Momma's 
tea.  Far superior to that warm spit served up Nawth.;<)


Wilton

Yes, whenever I get the chance?  Must keep the ice-to-tea ratio high in 
mine, too, or it's exceedingly "sub-par."

Dawncha want some?

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" 

To: "WILTON via Mercedes" 
Cc: "Rick Knoble" 
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Conclusion to broken 606 belt shock tap



Wilton writes:


‎Nice photos. Diet Pepsi'll be fine. >Thank you!


Y'all don't drink sweet tea?

Rick





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[MBZ] BAT 240D with leather?

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Todays Bring a Trailer shows an 83 ( I think) and tge discription says it
has Palomino leather. Looks like MB Tex to me. Did 240Ds even have getting
leather as an option? I thought no

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight jack coupon

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

IIRC somebody said the HF aluminum jacks were terrible and dangerous and made 
your kids dumb and your hair fall out
-Curt

  From: Craig via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Craig 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 11:06 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] Harbor Freight jack coupon
   
In light of our recent discussion about jacks, I thought you might like a
coupon for one of Harbor Freight's.


Craig

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[MBZ] Harbor Freight jack coupon

[Craig via Mercedes]

In light of our recent discussion about jacks, I thought you might like a
coupon for one of Harbor Freight's.


Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Conclusion to broken 606 belt shock tap

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Good to know, Wilton.

Mine has never been noisy, but when I was doing a close inspection of the 
engine the other day I noticed the lower shock bushing was degraded enough that 
it was rotating due to normal engine vibration.  I could watch it and see the 
rubber bushing turning ever so slowly.

The spring is an odd part. When I removed mine I was amazed to find that it is 
really a combination of several parts, a couple of hooks and the spring itself. 
I initially thought it might be broken when I first removed it.

Looks like a replacement isn't too bad from the dealer, around $46.00 list.

Dan 

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> On Mar 8, 2016, at 9:42 AM, WILTON via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Do you know that those belt tensioner springs can break under normal usage? 
> At about 200 kmi my '91 350SDL was getting noisy at the tensioner mechanism. 
> I opened the hood one day prepared to replace the "typical" noisy damper and 
> found that part of the spring was missing!  It had broken, and about half of 
> it had fallen away to join the many tons of rubber, screws, bolts, nuts, 
> springs, belts, brackets, mufflers, exhaust pipes, glass, chairs, mattresses, 
> bottles, cans, food wrappers, kitchen sinks and much other detritus littering 
> or roads and streets.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "WILTON via Mercedes" 
> 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "WILTON" 
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 7:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Conclusion to broken 606 belt shock tap
> 
> 
>> ATTABOY, yoself!  Easy, eh?  You're welcome, of course.
>> BTW, let's see 'em.
>> 
>> Wilton
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
>> 
>> To: "Mercedes List" 
>> Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 6:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Conclusion to broken 606 belt shock tap
>> 
>> 
>>> WILTON. IS. THE. MAN.
>>> 
>>> Just swapped my belt tensioner shock.  Even with taking pictures it took me 
>>> less than 10 minutes to do.
>>> 
>>> Thanks a bunch, Wilton!
>>> 
>>> ATTABOY!
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: Transmission helper ideas, Please! AbEhbdE7cu

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Not within my authority. Cc'ed to the Klebster for action.

Dan

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> On Mar 8, 2016, at 9:14 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Could the list mom get me off double secret probation with the code business 
> please?
> 
> --R
> 
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject:Re: [MBZ] Transmission helper ideas, Please!
> Date:Tue, 8 Mar 2016 09:09:37 -0500
> From:Rich Thomas 
> To:mercedes@okiebenz.com
> 
> 
> 
> The easiest is to get under and look at the linkage bushings, it will be
> clear if none are there or they are broken.   When the bushings on one
> of my SDs went the shift lever was pretty loose (lose), a symptom you
> don't seem to have but easy to check underneath anyway.  Then look as
> Gerry suggests at the various mounts to make sure nothing is collapsed
> or missing or broken.  I know nothing about the adjustment.
> 
> The linkage bushings are a bit fiddly to replace but they are cheap, and
> probably should be checked/replaced anyway if you are messing with the
> transmission.
> 
> --R
> 
>> On 3/8/16 9:02 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> Gerry wrote:
>> The failure of reverse after hitting a pothole is suspicious. In addition to 
>> checking the linkage rods and bushings as Kaleb suggested, check the engine 
>> mounts and the transmission mount. A combination of broken or collapsed 
>> engine mounts and/or transmission mount might possibly have shifted the 
>> engine/transmission enough that reverse does not engage.
>> 
>> Sometimes you can see an engine/transmission shift just by looking at the 
>> fan which should be parallel to, and centered to the radiator.
>> The car can be driven with no indication of problems even though the 
>> engine/transmission may be shifted/mis-aligned.
>> 
>> "Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>>> I think so but I would check the linkage first.  If it does have the
>>> bolt it will be on the side toward the front, it will be a bolt with a
>>> lock nut on it.
>> Max Dillon wrote:
 Does this transmission have the external adjustment for the reverse band?  
 Kaleb?  Curly?
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Re: [MBZ] Conclusion to broken 606 belt shock tap

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Do you know that those belt tensioner springs can break under normal usage? 
At about 200 kmi my '91 350SDL was getting noisy at the tensioner mechanism. 
I opened the hood one day prepared to replace the "typical" noisy damper and 
found that part of the spring was missing!  It had broken, and about half of 
it had fallen away to join the many tons of rubber, screws, bolts, nuts, 
springs, belts, brackets, mufflers, exhaust pipes, glass, chairs, 
mattresses, bottles, cans, food wrappers, kitchen sinks and much other 
detritus littering or roads and streets.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "WILTON" 
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Conclusion to broken 606 belt shock tap



ATTABOY, yoself!  Easy, eh?  You're welcome, of course.
BTW, let's see 'em.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes List" 
Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Conclusion to broken 606 belt shock tap



WILTON. IS. THE. MAN.

Just swapped my belt tensioner shock.  Even with taking pictures it took 
me less than 10 minutes to do.


Thanks a bunch, Wilton!

ATTABOY!

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] Conclusion to broken 606 belt shock tap

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yes, whenever I get the chance?  Must keep the ice-to-tea ratio high in 
mine, too, or it's exceedingly "sub-par."

Dawncha want some?

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" 

To: "WILTON via Mercedes" 
Cc: "Rick Knoble" 
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Conclusion to broken 606 belt shock tap



Wilton writes:


‎Nice photos. Diet Pepsi'll be fine. >Thank you!


Y'all don't drink sweet tea?

Rick
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[MBZ] Fwd: Re: Transmission helper ideas, Please! AbEhbdE7cu

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Could the list mom get me off double secret probation with the code 
business please?


--R

 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Re: [MBZ] Transmission helper ideas, Please!
Date:   Tue, 8 Mar 2016 09:09:37 -0500
From:   Rich Thomas 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com



The easiest is to get under and look at the linkage bushings, it will be
clear if none are there or they are broken.   When the bushings on one
of my SDs went the shift lever was pretty loose (lose), a symptom you
don't seem to have but easy to check underneath anyway.  Then look as
Gerry suggests at the various mounts to make sure nothing is collapsed
or missing or broken.  I know nothing about the adjustment.

The linkage bushings are a bit fiddly to replace but they are cheap, and
probably should be checked/replaced anyway if you are messing with the
transmission.

--R

On 3/8/16 9:02 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

Gerry wrote:
The failure of reverse after hitting a pothole is suspicious. In addition to 
checking the linkage rods and bushings as Kaleb suggested, check the engine 
mounts and the transmission mount. A combination of broken or collapsed engine 
mounts and/or transmission mount might possibly have shifted the 
engine/transmission enough that reverse does not engage.

Sometimes you can see an engine/transmission shift just by looking at the fan 
which should be parallel to, and centered to the radiator.
The car can be driven with no indication of problems even though the 
engine/transmission may be shifted/mis-aligned.

"Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

I think so but I would check the linkage first.  If it does have the
bolt it will be on the side toward the front, it will be a bolt with a
lock nut on it.

Max Dillon wrote:

Does this transmission have the external adjustment for the reverse band?  
Kaleb?  Curly?


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Re: [MBZ] Transmission helper ideas, Please!

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Gerry wrote:
The failure of reverse after hitting a pothole is suspicious. In addition to 
checking the linkage rods and bushings as Kaleb suggested, check the engine 
mounts and the transmission mount. A combination of broken or collapsed engine 
mounts and/or transmission mount might possibly have shifted the 
engine/transmission enough that reverse does not engage.

Sometimes you can see an engine/transmission shift just by looking at the fan 
which should be parallel to, and centered to the radiator.
The car can be driven with no indication of problems even though the 
engine/transmission may be shifted/mis-aligned.

"Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> I think so but I would check the linkage first.  If it does have the 
> bolt it will be on the side toward the front, it will be a bolt with a 
> lock nut on it.

Max Dillon wrote:
> > Does this transmission have the external adjustment for the reverse band?  
> > Kaleb?  Curly?


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Downspout Theft

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes the deterrent effect is correlated much more strongly with likelihood
of getting caught than with severity of punishment.
On Mar 4, 2016 9:01 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes"  wrote:

> And yet, thieves still stole horses and other things of value. They even
> robbed banks! Punishment only deters those least likely to commit the
> crimes.
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > 100 years ago, horse thieves were hung.  Other thieves were likely to be
> > shot or put in prison.
> >
> > Now the popos make more money on speeding tickets and have no interest in
> > catching thieves, and people who try to defend themselves or property are
> > more likely to end up in the klink than the thief.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> OK Don
>
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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