Re: [MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> Looks like I need to get the relay.


As always, a good resoldering with perhaps a replacement capacitor or two
is all yours probably needs to work like new.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap W210 Chassis

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yes in the sedan, but not S210


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
October 3, 2016 at 8:51 PM
Are these the ones that the spring perches rust out on?

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

‎http://youtu.be/uWiYphJUS7Q

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Re: [MBZ] This Looks Interesting

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

You could ask Dave M what was available for SLS.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
October 3, 2016 at 8:30 PM
I noticed the SLS reservoir. I thought that was interesting. I wonder 
if it’s all four wheels or just the back?


Dan



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Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Hippie Martha!   Whoda thunk it?



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
October 3, 2016 at 8:45 PM
I would add that my bus had a 1200cc mill in it, and it would go for 
what seemed like weeks on a tank of gas. No gauge, just the sump. Knob 
in the center console as I recall. Engine started to sputter, pull out 
the knob and you were good for another 30-40 miles or more.


Had a cool overhead console, too. Originally there was an air duct 
there to send air from under the roof at the front of the cab to the 
passenger area. I took the cover off this and put some gauges and a 
stereo up there.


Peace, man.





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Re: [MBZ] Cheap W210 Chassis

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Dan asks:

>‎Are these the ones that the spring >perches rust out on?

Yes, but for some reason, I don't think they use salt on the roads in Denver, 
or Colorado for that matter. ‎Perhaps someone who has resided there can 
expound. 

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Re: [MBZ] Stupid buyers

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Again, there are a lot of losers out there.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Some people are amazing aren't they!   I sold a guy an old cheap oldsmobile 
> several years ago and he called me all pissed off 4 months later because it 
> had a star chip in the windshield and the muffler went bad.  He had already 
> put over 6,000 miles on it in 4 months.  He said I must have known about the 
> chip and the muffler and that I had rigged something up to try to hide it 
> from him.   He bugged me repeatedly and could never explain how I was able to 
> hide the chip from him or how I had rigged the muffler to last long enough 
> that it went out only after I had sold it to him.  He kept bugging me and I 
> actually found a few of the service records that I had forgotten to give him. 
>   The muffler had a lifetime warranty from midas or some similar place.  We 
> finally agreed that he would bring the car to me and I had to bring it to 
> Midas to have the muffler replaced under warranty.  It didn't cost anything 
> -- except aggravation and time.  But, I was truly astounded by the nerve of 
> the guy.
   I wondered about how crazy his thoughts were.  He sincerely believed I was 
able to cover these things up and make them fail only after I had sold the car 
to him.  
> 
> There are a lot of crazy people in the world. 
> 
> Don Snook 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net] 
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 9:16 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: [MBZ] Stupid buyers
> 
> I have not had a chance to tell the tale of the selling of my ML which I 
> immediately regretted due to selling it way way way too cheap. Anyway this 
> guy bugs the crap out of me wanting to look at it. I talk to him on the phone 
> and answer his questions. He wanted to know if it had 2 sets of keys and 
> owners manual. He also wanted the vin to run a carfax. The truck had a 
> cracked from bumper due to neighbors cow running into it. No police or 
> insurance involved. So he shows up and starts looking it over. Then said he 
> pulled autocheck which shows the bumper shows as wrecked. I pull out my phone 
> and run a carfax which shows clean and explained how it would be impossible 
> for the cow damage to show up. Probably a ploy to get me to sell it even 
> cheaper. Guy turns out to be a dealer and was talking dealer talk about 
> auctions etc to which I responded with  dealer talk as well. He low balls me 
> on my already way way way too cheap price to which I tell him I am firm and 
> he can take it or leave it.
  I ended up knocking $100 off just so I did not have to deal with any further 
idols. His big concern was the cd changer was missing the magazine and kept 
asking if I had one. I had several 140s and 124s out back and he said surely 
they have one, he has never seen an s class that didn't. I told him I did not 
have a spare one to give him. Later on I am showing him around and looking at 
cars and as we are looking he keeps opening the trunks probably looking to see 
if I have a changed magazine. Kind of annoyed me. He finally pays and leaves. 
Now keep in mind I just put a brand new set of Michelins on it as well as brand 
new ac with new Denso compressor.  Probably close in value to what I sold it 
for. When I did the work I figured people would appreciate and recognize a well 
properly maintained vehicle bit I guess the M class crowd is just looking for a 
cheap car. I probably should have pulled the tires off and Put the old work out 
tires back on. So anyway a couple of days ago the guy ca
 lls up saying it runs and drives great but has the most uncomfortable seats in 
and ML he has ever had, said somebody but have replaced the padding with 
something else. Was also complaining about the way it steered around corners. 
He then wanted me to send him receipts for the tires and ac work. I told him if 
I ran across them I would send them to him. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap W210 Chassis

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Are these the ones that the spring perches rust out on?

Dan


> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Here in the north w210 is code word for rust.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 1990 300D
> Wickford RI
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing Update

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

According to the EPC, an 80-amp fuse is correct for 240Ds with FG numbers after 
149279


On Monday, 03 Oct 2016, Curley McLain wrote:
>
>The 80 amp fuse is intended for running 6 glow plugs.  It is the WRONG 
>fuse.  The correct fuse looks the same but will be 50 amp.  This was in 
>my post yesterday.  Another post yesterday told you the fuse was in the 
>top of the relay, under the relay cover, and exactly how to take the 
>cover off.


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Re: [MBZ] Cheap W210 Chassis

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Ah.  Makes sense after looking at it.  Sort of silly when you consider that the 
handset is right there, too.

Dan


> On Oct 3, 2016, at 9:45 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> What’s below the radio?  A trip computer?
>> 
> 
> That's the telephone's base unit. You could dial from the handset or from
> the console.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I would add that my bus had a 1200cc mill in it, and it would go for what 
seemed like weeks on a tank of gas.  No gauge, just the sump.  Knob in the 
center console as I recall.  Engine started to sputter, pull out the knob and 
you were good for another 30-40 miles or more.

Had a cool overhead console, too.  Originally there was an air duct there to 
send air from under the roof at the front of the cab to the passenger area.  I 
took the cover off this and put some gauges and a stereo up there.

Peace, man.


> On Oct 3, 2016, at 9:41 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
> I was just guessing base on memories that are nearly 50 years old.  I was 
> surprised when I discovered them at the time, and when I started researching 
> (at the time) I thought I came across something that said they were 1:1 and 
> just there to increase ground clearance.
> 
> That would suggest that the transaxles for the bus were different from the 
> car, as they would have factored into the final drive?
> 
> Only bus I ever had, and during a period of time when I was not what one 
> would considered “clear headed”, so I’m not surprised I was unaware of this.  
> Understand that my barn door bus was painted dark green and had “Der Party 
> Vagon” airbrushed in white Old English lettering on the sides, courtesy of a 
> good friend who frequented our home shop for the air supply to do her 
> airbrush art.
> 
> I will say that with the set of snow wires off my Mom’s 1974 Impala Custom 
> Coupe on the rear wheels that bus would go just about anywhere.  I off roaded 
> in it regularly, both on purpose and not on purpose.
> 
> 'nuf said.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:08 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh hey that reminds me:http://www.vintagebus.com/busfaq.html
>> contradicts Dan's contention that they weren't reduction boxes. I wonder if 
>> he's had some different gears to have it not reduce? I found another site 
>> that even lists the gearing options that could be had...
>> -Curt
>> 
>> From: MG via Mercedes 
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
>> Cc: trainpain2...@aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus
>> 
>> That's what I did for my Mom years ago with an 84 bus. It also 
>> had a 5 speed transmission. She loved it. Used crow about blowing 
>> away some old guy in a big boat Cadillac that was just stumbling 
>> along at 45 or 50 in a 55 zone. Said she never would have been 
>> able to do that with the old engine in it.
>> 
>> Manfred
>> 
>> 
>>> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 00:36:54 + (UTC)
>>> From: Curt Raymond 
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> 
>>> The split window busses had gear reduction boxes at the rear wheels for 
>>> extra gearing and aren't bad around town. Put a 2000cc Porsche engine in 
>>> one for a real sleeper...
>>> Curt
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap W210 Chassis

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


> What’s below the radio?  A trip computer?
>

That's the telephone's base unit. You could dial from the handset or from
the console.

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I was just guessing base on memories that are nearly 50 years old.  I was 
surprised when I discovered them at the time, and when I started researching 
(at the time) I thought I came across something that said they were 1:1 and 
just there to increase ground clearance.

That would suggest that the transaxles for the bus were different from the car, 
as they would have factored into the final drive?

Only bus I ever had, and during a period of time when I was not what one would 
considered “clear headed”, so I’m not surprised I was unaware of this.  
Understand that my barn door bus was painted dark green and had “Der Party 
Vagon” airbrushed in white Old English lettering on the sides, courtesy of a 
good friend who frequented our home shop for the air supply to do her airbrush 
art.

I will say that with the set of snow wires off my Mom’s 1974 Impala Custom 
Coupe on the rear wheels that bus would go just about anywhere.  I off roaded 
in it regularly, both on purpose and not on purpose.

'nuf said.

Dan



> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:08 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Oh hey that reminds me:http://www.vintagebus.com/busfaq.html
> contradicts Dan's contention that they weren't reduction boxes. I wonder if 
> he's had some different gears to have it not reduce? I found another site 
> that even lists the gearing options that could be had...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: MG via Mercedes 
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
> Cc: trainpain2...@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus
> 
> That's what I did for my Mom years ago with an 84 bus. It also 
> had a 5 speed transmission. She loved it. Used crow about blowing 
> away some old guy in a big boat Cadillac that was just stumbling 
> along at 45 or 50 in a 55 zone. Said she never would have been 
> able to do that with the old engine in it.
> 
> Manfred
> 
> 
>> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 00:36:54 + (UTC)
>> From: Curt Raymond 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> 
>> The split window busses had gear reduction boxes at the rear wheels for 
>> extra gearing and aren't bad around town. Put a 2000cc Porsche engine in one 
>> for a real sleeper...
>> Curt
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing Update

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Curley is The Last Word

--FT


On 10/3/16 8:33 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
The 80 amp fuse is intended for running 6 glow plugs.  It is the WRONG 
fuse.  The correct fuse looks the same but will be 50 amp.  This was 
in my post yesterday.  Another post yesterday told you the fuse was in 
the top of the relay, under the relay cover, and exactly how to take 
the cover off.


Since the fuse blew, you could still have a grounded GP.  If so, the 
next fuse will blow also.  Each fuse will blow until you locate and 
correct the problem.  It is also possible that one of the wires to the 
GP is shorted to the block.  This is a common problem in the OM60x 
engines, and less common on the iron head engines like yours.  I'd 
guess you have a shorted out GP.  The test procedure is in my post 
from last night.  Without a meter that has a range of 0-20 or 0-50 
ohms or a finer scale, or a digital that can read in 10th of an ohm, 
it is very difficult to discriminate between a shorted GP and a good GP.


At any rate, before you stick in another fuse, test the ohm readings 
at GP wire harness that plugs into the GP relay.  Read the ohms 
between each of the 4 sockets with liners in them and a good ground.  
A good GP will read 1.4 ohms + or - 0.5 ohm.  A grounded plug will 
read 0 or the same reading you get when you hold the two meter probes 
together.  (depending on the meter, this may not be 0)





John Ingram via Mercedes 
October 3, 2016 at 6:12 PM
Hello Everyone,
I went out to the car and searched for the fuse and finally found it 
inside the cover on top of the relay. I hope it is the right fuse 
because it was blown and came out in two pieces. It is just a steel 
band and looks like the fuses in the on-line websites. The only 
lettering I can find looks to say 80A and is followed by a P with a 
circle around it. Is this possible?
This car is a very late 83 240D, one of the last ones sent. Over the 
years I have had to use the VIN number in order to get the right 
part. I think MBZ was using the parts they had left when they made 
this car. Some parts were clearly from earlier years, others may have 
been last minute changes.

I think I’ll look for a fuse first (80A?), It might fix it.
Thank you all again for your help!
John Ingram



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Re: [MBZ] This Looks Interesting

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Aren't there E class diesels?

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 9:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I noticed the SLS reservoir.  I thought that was interesting.  I wonder if
> it’s all four wheels or just the back?
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:45 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Looks like it has ASD, or SLS (or both).  I wonder if it was
> "federalized" when imported?
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> > '87 300TD
> > '95 E300
> >
> > On October 3, 2016 5:45:46 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-
> giveaway/2708585-1993-euro-w124-e320-sportline-euro.html#post14996577
> >>
> >> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Classic CL

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I offered them $500 and never got a reply.

Because I used one of my burner accounts I could easily contact them as another 
interested buyer and then make a stupid offer.

Dan



> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:38 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dead vacuum pump?  You're probably correct about other "repairs" to discover 
> and fix.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On October 3, 2016 10:38:37 AM EDT, Dan--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> I would be willing to guess the brake booster problem is more likely a
>> vacuum leak. However, the capping off of the rear caliper smells of
>> some serious kludging on someone's part, which makes it scary as you
>> don't know the extent of their other "repairs".
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing Update

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Buy and keep a couple in the glove box.

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The 80 amp fuse is intended for running 6 glow plugs.  It is the WRONG
> fuse.  The correct fuse looks the same but will be 50 amp.  This was in my
> post yesterday.  Another post yesterday told you the fuse was in the top of
> the relay, under the relay cover, and exactly how to take the cover off.
>
> Since the fuse blew, you could still have a grounded GP.  If so, the next
> fuse will blow also.  Each fuse will blow until you locate and correct the
> problem.  It is also possible that one of the wires to the GP is shorted to
> the block.  This is a common problem in the OM60x engines, and less common
> on the iron head engines like yours.  I'd guess you have a shorted out GP.
> The test procedure is in my post from last night.  Without a meter that has
> a range of 0-20 or 0-50 ohms or a finer scale, or a digital that can read
> in 10th of an ohm, it is very difficult to discriminate between a shorted
> GP and a good GP.
>
> At any rate, before you stick in another fuse, test the ohm readings at GP
> wire harness that plugs into the GP relay.  Read the ohms between each of
> the 4 sockets with liners in them and a good ground.  A good GP will read
> 1.4 ohms + or - 0.5 ohm.  A grounded plug will read 0 or the same reading
> you get when you hold the two meter probes together.  (depending on the
> meter, this may not be 0)
>
>
>
> John Ingram via Mercedes 
>> October 3, 2016 at 6:12 PM
>>
>> Hello Everyone,
>> I went out to the car and searched for the fuse and finally found it
>> inside the cover on top of the relay. I hope it is the right fuse because
>> it was blown and came out in two pieces. It is just a steel band and looks
>> like the fuses in the on-line websites. The only lettering I can find looks
>> to say 80A and is followed by a P with a circle around it. Is this possible?
>> This car is a very late 83 240D, one of the last ones sent. Over the
>> years I have had to use the VIN number in order to get the right part. I
>> think MBZ was using the parts they had left when they made this car. Some
>> parts were clearly from earlier years, others may have been last minute
>> changes.
>> I think I’ll look for a fuse first (80A?), It might fix it.
>> Thank you all again for your help!
>> John Ingram
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] This Looks Interesting

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I noticed the SLS reservoir.  I thought that was interesting.  I wonder if it’s 
all four wheels or just the back?

Dan


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> 
> Looks like it has ASD, or SLS (or both).  I wonder if it was "federalized" 
> when imported?
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Whoever.

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 8:01 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The '78 came to me with about 18 gauge wires from the relay to the glow
> plugs. Strangely whomever had originally made the wires ran them in series
> even though they were parallel plugs. It took a lng time to heat the
> plugs.
> I made new 10ga wires, ran them in parallel and starting improved
> immensely.
>
> -Curt
>
>   From: Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Dwight Giles 
>  Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 4:36 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing
>
> My two had been converted  to parallel. 78 had glow button for relay on
> firewall
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 1990 300D
> Wickford RI
>
> On Oct 3, 2016 2:24 PM, "Craig via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2 Oct 2016 16:44:44 -0400 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Yes that was my experience in my 78 & 79 240D,s.  fuse may have been
> > over wheel well. Obvious fuse case.
>
> But this is an '83, with parallel glow plugs and the relay on the
> left-front fender.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 2, 2016 4:13 PM, "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes"
> >  wrote:
> >
> > GP fuse -- if it is like my 300TD it is on the firewall in a little
> > covered holder, it is a 20A strip fuse about 2in long and screws onto
> > the contacts.  They cost like a dollar, buy a couple to keep in the car.
> >
> > Glow plug relay could be bad too (I'm guessing this car has a relay) but
> > the fuse is the likely culprit.
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/2/16 4:08 PM, John Ingram via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Everyone,
> > >
> > > When I turn the key on my ’83 240D the glow plug light goes on as
> > > usual but it does not go off after 10 seconds or so as it used to.
> > > When I turn over the engine it doesn’t even try to start.  It seems
> > > that the glow plugs never turned on.  Is there a relay or fuse that
> > > is the normal cause for this?  If so, what is it and where is it?
> > >
> > > Thank You,
> > > John Ingram
> > > ’83 240D  311K
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Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I guess the weatherman has gotten under your skin, I think this might, just 
maybe, cause a little less rain and wind than the storm that came through 
earlier this year.  We sure could use the rain.

Oh yeah, you've got all those big trees around, maybe you should up sticks...
-- 
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'95 E300

On October 3, 2016 8:39:51 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>shows this thing coming closer to the coast as a CAT2-3, 105mph+ winds 
>and LOTS of rain.  Might be a mandatory evacuation from the islands 
>which I will choose to follow or not.  Gonna get the boards out 
>tomorrow, check the track on Wed then start prepping. Might have to
>bail 
>to upstate at some point.  If I stay I have plenty of beer, food, and 
>shotgun shells and will get some gas for the genny tomorrow.
>
>Will check with the binyahs to see what they think before deciding what
>
>to do.  I think I know the answer.
>
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Re: [MBZ] This Looks Interesting

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Looks like it has ASD, or SLS (or both).  I wonder if it was "federalized" when 
imported?
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'95 E300

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>http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2708585-1993-euro-w124-e320-sportline-euro.html#post14996577
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[MBZ] OT Latest track

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

shows this thing coming closer to the coast as a CAT2-3, 105mph+ winds 
and LOTS of rain.  Might be a mandatory evacuation from the islands 
which I will choose to follow or not.  Gonna get the boards out 
tomorrow, check the track on Wed then start prepping. Might have to bail 
to upstate at some point.  If I stay I have plenty of beer, food, and 
shotgun shells and will get some gas for the genny tomorrow.


Will check with the binyahs to see what they think before deciding what 
to do.  I think I know the answer.


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Re: [MBZ] Classic CL

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Dead vacuum pump?  You're probably correct about other "repairs" to discover 
and fix.
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'95 E300

On October 3, 2016 10:38:37 AM EDT, Dan--- via Mercedes  
wrote:
>I would be willing to guess the brake booster problem is more likely a
>vacuum leak. However, the capping off of the rear caliper smells of
>some serious kludging on someone's part, which makes it scary as you
>don't know the extent of their other "repairs".
>
>Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Classic CL

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Eh, I'd offer $300, maybe go a bit higher.
-- 
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'95 E300

On October 3, 2016 9:04:13 AM EDT, Dan--- via Mercedes  
wrote:
>I just had to share this:
>
>http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5796811942.html
>
>Ok, so it's not a perfect car, but could potentially be worthwhile to
>look at. So I drop the seller a line and ask about the "needs a few
>things" comment.  Here's their reply:
>
>> Brakes: power vacuum assist has an issue - more like manual brakes
>right now - intermittent
>> and one of the calipers should be replaced - it wouldn't release so
>the left rear caliper is not connected right now
>> Motor Mounts:  Should be replaced - vibrating but not bad when
>driving
>> Windows:  two do not work - the other two work
>> AC - blows cold for a few months - then needs a can of refrigerant to
>replenish it.
>> 
>> Car starts every time and runs good.  Interior is descent.  No cracks
>in dash.
>> Paint looks nice.
>
>Wow. "Paint looks nice."  That makes me breathe easier.
>
>So I politely suggest that some of these are rather critical items that
>potentially render the car unroadworthy, not to mention are substantial
>repairs.  Their response:
>
>> It's an asking price, not a demanding price.  Make an offer.
>
>$100?
>
>Holy mother of pearl. I continue to be amazed at the level of
>stupidity.
>
>Dan
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing Update

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The 80 amp fuse is intended for running 6 glow plugs.  It is the WRONG 
fuse.  The correct fuse looks the same but will be 50 amp.  This was in 
my post yesterday.  Another post yesterday told you the fuse was in the 
top of the relay, under the relay cover, and exactly how to take the 
cover off.


Since the fuse blew, you could still have a grounded GP.  If so, the 
next fuse will blow also.  Each fuse will blow until you locate and 
correct the problem.  It is also possible that one of the wires to the 
GP is shorted to the block.  This is a common problem in the OM60x 
engines, and less common on the iron head engines like yours.  I'd guess 
you have a shorted out GP.  The test procedure is in my post from last 
night.  Without a meter that has a range of 0-20 or 0-50 ohms or a finer 
scale, or a digital that can read in 10th of an ohm, it is very 
difficult to discriminate between a shorted GP and a good GP.


At any rate, before you stick in another fuse, test the ohm readings at 
GP wire harness that plugs into the GP relay.  Read the ohms between 
each of the 4 sockets with liners in them and a good ground.  A good GP 
will read 1.4 ohms + or - 0.5 ohm.  A grounded plug will read 0 or the 
same reading you get when you hold the two meter probes together.  
(depending on the meter, this may not be 0)





John Ingram via Mercedes 
October 3, 2016 at 6:12 PM
Hello Everyone,
I went out to the car and searched for the fuse and finally found it 
inside the cover on top of the relay. I hope it is the right fuse 
because it was blown and came out in two pieces. It is just a steel 
band and looks like the fuses in the on-line websites. The only 
lettering I can find looks to say 80A and is followed by a P with a 
circle around it. Is this possible?
This car is a very late 83 240D, one of the last ones sent. Over the 
years I have had to use the VIN number in order to get the right part. 
I think MBZ was using the parts they had left when they made this car. 
Some parts were clearly from earlier years, others may have been last 
minute changes.

I think I’ll look for a fuse first (80A?), It might fix it.
Thank you all again for your help!
John Ingram



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Re: [MBZ] Polei takes a rest

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Wrong injectors most likely, those would be the rare oblique injection type.  
Snag  'em for resale?  Trade?  I've probably got a set I could trade you, I'm 
sure I put those right over heresomewhere saw then last year, I think...
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'95 E300

On October 3, 2016 2:34:52 PM EDT, clay via Mercedes  
wrote:
>PO was fed prosecutor, so probably did not homebrew, but lived on an
>island with a pack of greenies who might have set up their own pump for
>local brew.  He had a Diesel Purge kit that may or may not have been
>used.  Looks like it involves a Gatorade bottle with in and out hose
>set up.  I could set that up to run 32oz of purge and drive it about.  
>There is a 350SDL at PnP, maybe I find a set of injectors to rebuild. 
>
>
>
>
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>infection.
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>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:43 PM, G Mann via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> What you've described is classic example of running home brew
>biodiesel.
>> 
>> In a perfect world, biodiesel would be made to Schedule 52 and be
>perfectly
>> compatible with dino diesel [pump diesel] Home brew diesel is
>often far
>> from Schedule 52 biodiesel and when it burns, leaves a very sticky
>and
>> thick layer of carbon inside the injectors, on valves, and combustion
>> chambers... which make the car run like crap as it builds up..
>> 
>> It also will degrade IP performance, which affects fuel delivery to
>the
>> then clogged injectors, which then don't make good spray pattern,
>which
>> degrades the burn rate of the fuel injected.. which makes more
>carbon..
>> 
>> OOooops... might be time to open the tank and clean it out.. purge
>the rest
>> of the fuel system, new filters.. AND... pull a fuel nozzle and have
>a look
>> at what "one of them look like"...
>> 
>> Actually... I would pull the one fuel nozzle first...
>> 
>> Just a thought.
>> 
>> Grant...
>> 
>> On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 5:58 PM, clay via Mercedes
>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> PO was running Bio for a long time.  Long enough that he had to
>replace
>>> the IP seals a few times.  I am slow at getting the fluids changed
>because
>>> I was thinking maybe if the engine got lifted out to fix the trans,
>then
>>> the busted oil pan could be swapped out.  Once I get the old fuel
>out, I
>>> want to run at least one tank of real fuel before changing the fuel
>filters.
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 30, 2016, at 11:33 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 An SDL is no slouch, and slipping trannies are hard to mistake.
 Your fuel system is probably crapped up. BioD scrapes loose
 all kinds of crud.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT crazy craigslist

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Even the picture was messed up in translation...
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On October 3, 2016 2:18:15 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes  
wrote:
>Klingon and a bad translation... apparently
>
>On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Was this ad translated from a different language?
>>
>> https://memphis.craigslist.org/cto/5810844747.html
>>
>> Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Oh hey that reminds me:http://www.vintagebus.com/busfaq.html
contradicts Dan's contention that they weren't reduction boxes. I wonder if 
he's had some different gears to have it not reduce? I found another site that 
even lists the gearing options that could be had...
-Curt

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 Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus
   
That's what I did for my Mom years ago with an 84 bus. It also 
had a 5 speed transmission. She loved it. Used crow about blowing 
away some old guy in a big boat Cadillac that was just stumbling 
along at 45 or 50 in a 55 zone. Said she never would have been 
able to do that with the old engine in it.

Manfred


> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 00:36:54 + (UTC)
> From: Curt Raymond 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> 
> The split window busses had gear reduction boxes at the rear wheels for extra 
> gearing and aren't bad around town. Put a 2000cc Porsche engine in one for a 
> real sleeper...
> Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Cheap W210 Chassis

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Here in the north w210 is code word for rust.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI

On Oct 3, 2016 7:51 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I don’t know anything about W210 chassis’ cars, but this looks like it
> might be a good deal:
>
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-
> giveaway/2708601-fs-1997-mb-e320-w210-138k.html#post14996689
>
> What’s below the radio?  A trip computer?
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[MBZ] 108 convertable

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Saw a 280SE convertible in Burbank, CA today, noticed it by sound as he motored 
by. What a car!
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The '78 came to me with about 18 gauge wires from the relay to the glow plugs. 
Strangely whomever had originally made the wires ran them in series even though 
they were parallel plugs. It took a lng time to heat the plugs.
I made new 10ga wires, ran them in parallel and starting improved immensely.

-Curt

  From: Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
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Cc: Dwight Giles 
 Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 4:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing
   
My two had been converted  to parallel. 78 had glow button for relay on
firewall

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI

On Oct 3, 2016 2:24 PM, "Craig via Mercedes"  wrote:

On Sun, 2 Oct 2016 16:44:44 -0400 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Yes that was my experience in my 78 & 79 240D,s.  fuse may have been
> over wheel well. Obvious fuse case.

But this is an '83, with parallel glow plugs and the relay on the
left-front fender.


Craig




> On Oct 2, 2016 4:13 PM, "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
>
> GP fuse -- if it is like my 300TD it is on the firewall in a little
> covered holder, it is a 20A strip fuse about 2in long and screws onto
> the contacts.  They cost like a dollar, buy a couple to keep in the car.
>
> Glow plug relay could be bad too (I'm guessing this car has a relay) but
> the fuse is the likely culprit.
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 10/2/16 4:08 PM, John Ingram via Mercedes wrote:
>
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > When I turn the key on my ’83 240D the glow plug light goes on as
> > usual but it does not go off after 10 seconds or so as it used to.
> > When I turn over the engine it doesn’t even try to start.  It seems
> > that the glow plugs never turned on.  Is there a relay or fuse that
> > is the normal cause for this?  If so, what is it and where is it?
> >
> > Thank You,
> > John Ingram
> > ’83 240D  311K
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                                            oil pressure gauge and do
                                            something about the failed
                                            hood paint and attend to the
                                            headlight switch -- and now I
                                            need to do something about the
                                            broken left rear trailing arm)
        '89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville Van (affectionately dubbed the BRV,
                                        the Big Red Van)

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        '94 E420      Oskar      127 kmi  RIP
        '86 190E/2.3
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[MBZ] Cheap W210 Chassis

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I don’t know anything about W210 chassis’ cars, but this looks like it might be 
a good deal:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2708601-fs-1997-mb-e320-w210-138k.html#post14996689

What’s below the radio?  A trip computer?

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 130, Issue 197

[MG via Mercedes]

That might actually be what was done. Though I have a feeling 
that this is more likely a photoshop session.


Manfred


Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 22:26:53 -0600
From: Craig 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus
Message-ID: <20160929222653.c570d82b28346acaee7d8...@pisquared.net>
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 04:17:00 + Fred Moir via Mercedes
 wrote:


Twin stacks = V8 ??


No.


Craig



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Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus

[MG via Mercedes]

All the Buses up to the beginning of the 68 model had a reduction 
gear box at the wheels. It was never a 1:1 in there. The axle had 
a smaller gear and the wheel hub had a slightly bigger gear. I 
did way too much work on those things not to remember that.


Manfred



Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 20:43:40 -0400
From: Dan Penoff 

I had a 59 barn door van and it didn?t have gear reduction at the wheels as I 
recall, just 1:1 gearing to increase the ride height.  I?m not aware that these 
had gear reduction, but it?s been a long time since I wrenched on one.

Dan




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Re: [MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing Update

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

80A.  That's what I meant. I think.  Whatever it is you can get them at 
the stealer, they are (or used to be) pretty cheap.  Keep a few in the 
glove box along with a screwdriver for any field repairs.


--FT


On 10/3/16 7:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

That is the “strip” fuse, John.  Just as described in previous posts.  Replace 
it and you should be good to go - buy a couple of spares to have around, too.

Dan




On Oct 3, 2016, at 7:12 PM, John Ingram via Mercedes  
wrote:

Hello Everyone,
I went out to the car and searched for the fuse and finally found it inside the 
cover on top of the relay.  I hope it is the right fuse because it was blown 
and came out in two pieces.  It is just a steel band and looks like the fuses 
in the on-line websites.  The only lettering I can find looks to say 80A and is 
followed by a P with a circle around it. Is this possible?
This car is a very late 83 240D, one of the last ones sent.  Over the years I 
have had to use the VIN number in order to get the right part.  I think MBZ was 
using the parts they had left when they made this car. Some parts were clearly 
from earlier years, others may have been last minute changes.
I think I’ll look for a fuse first (80A?), It might fix it.
Thank you all again for your help!
John Ingram



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Re: [MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing Update

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That is the “strip” fuse, John.  Just as described in previous posts.  Replace 
it and you should be good to go - buy a couple of spares to have around, too.

Dan



> On Oct 3, 2016, at 7:12 PM, John Ingram via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> I went out to the car and searched for the fuse and finally found it inside 
> the cover on top of the relay.  I hope it is the right fuse because it was 
> blown and came out in two pieces.  It is just a steel band and looks like the 
> fuses in the on-line websites.  The only lettering I can find looks to say 
> 80A and is followed by a P with a circle around it. Is this possible? 
> This car is a very late 83 240D, one of the last ones sent.  Over the years I 
> have had to use the VIN number in order to get the right part.  I think MBZ 
> was using the parts they had left when they made this car. Some parts were 
> clearly from earlier years, others may have been last minute changes. 
> I think I’ll look for a fuse first (80A?), It might fix it.  
> Thank you all again for your help!
> John Ingram
> 
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[MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing Update

[John Ingram via Mercedes]

Hello Everyone,
I went out to the car and searched for the fuse and finally found it inside the 
cover on top of the relay.  I hope it is the right fuse because it was blown 
and came out in two pieces.  It is just a steel band and looks like the fuses 
in the on-line websites.  The only lettering I can find looks to say 80A and is 
followed by a P with a circle around it. Is this possible? 
This car is a very late 83 240D, one of the last ones sent.  Over the years I 
have had to use the VIN number in order to get the right part.  I think MBZ was 
using the parts they had left when they made this car. Some parts were clearly 
from earlier years, others may have been last minute changes. 
I think I’ll look for a fuse first (80A?), It might fix it.  
Thank you all again for your help!
John Ingram


 
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Re: [MBZ] New Klebmobile

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I see a place for submitting name, phone number and email to "place your 
order".  I also see lots of other very cheap Mercedes.  I smell a rat...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 3, 2016 1:58:04 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes  
wrote:
>On Sat, 1 Oct 2016 21:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>>
>http://www.2040-cars.com/Ford/E-Series-Van/1988-e350-f350-ford-dually-centurian-dreamer-conversion-1-ton-truck-sleeper-cab-419697/
>
>Interesting website; I have never heard of it before.
>
>They also have,
>
>http://www.2040-cars.com/Mercedes-Benz/300-Series/mercedes-benz-300-series-turbo-diesel-1201346/
>
>but there appears to be no way to contact the seller to ask questions.
>
>
>Craig
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Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus

[MG via Mercedes]

That's what I did for my Mom years ago with an 84 bus. It also 
had a 5 speed transmission. She loved it. Used crow about blowing 
away some old guy in a big boat Cadillac that was just stumbling 
along at 45 or 50 in a 55 zone. Said she never would have been 
able to do that with the old engine in it.


Manfred



Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 00:36:54 + (UTC)
From: Curt Raymond 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 

The split window busses had gear reduction boxes at the rear wheels for extra 
gearing and aren't bad around town. Put a 2000cc Porsche engine in one for a 
real sleeper...
Curt



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Re: [MBZ] This Looks Interesting

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

It is an M104.  What do you think it burns?  Car is listed as an E320.  
That is a clue.



Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
October 3, 2016 at 5:22 PM
Diesel or gas?

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
October 3, 2016 at 5:18 PM
IS that some kind of pumped-up euro mkt engine or the standard fitting 
to the car?  Is the US version 24 valve?


--FT




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October 3, 2016 at 4:45 PM
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2708585-1993-euro-w124-e320-sportline-euro.html#post14996577

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Re: [MBZ] This Looks Interesting

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Diesel or gas?

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> IS that some kind of pumped-up euro mkt engine or the standard fitting to
> the car?  Is the US version 24 valve?
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 10/3/16 6:14 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Nice! No ACC!  That is a HUGE plus!   Sportline a Plus.  Vergasser: a
>> Huge negative  cancels out the plusses.
>>
>> If anyone wants a vergasser, this looks like a candidate.
>>
>>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>> October 3, 2016 at 4:45 PM
>>> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/
>>> 2708585-1993-euro-w124-e320-sportline-euro.html#post14996577
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Stupid buyers

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

PIA always trumps "as is".

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 5:24 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes, I know what "as is" means.  I was there that day we discussed it in
> law school.
>
> The bill of sale had all the legal language in it:  as is, no warranties
> express or implied, blah, blah, blah.  I had no legal responsibility to do
> anything for the guy AND I told him that several times.  But, he was such a
> pain in the ass and kept up his demands, that at some point, it was worth
> it to get the muffler done just to shut him up.  It cost me nothing and he
> stopped bugging me.
>
> Don Snook
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: arche...@embarqmail.com [mailto:arche...@embarqmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 4:16 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stupid buyers
>
> Do you know the legal significance of the phrase "as is", Donald?
> Since it's been around for a while it would seem there would by now be
> enough cases to establish its validity or lack of validity in various
> states?
> Gerry
>
> Donald Snook wrote:
> > Some people are amazing aren't they!   I sold a guy an old cheap
> oldsmobile several years ago and he called me all pissed off 4 months later
> because it had a star chip in the windshield and the muffler went bad.  He
> had already put over 6,000 miles on it in 4 months.  He said I must have
> known about the chip and the muffler and that I had rigged something up to
> try to hide it from him.   He bugged me repeatedly and could never explain
> how I was able to hide the chip from him or how I had rigged the muffler to
> last long enough that it went out only after I had sold it to him.  He kept
> bugging me and I actually found a few of the service records that I had
> forgotten to give him.   The muffler had a lifetime warranty from midas or
> some similar place.  We finally agreed that he would bring the car to me
> and I had to bring it to Midas to have the muffler replaced under
> warranty.  It didn't cost anything -- except aggravation and time.  But, I
> was truly astounded by the nerve of the guy.  I wondered about how crazy
> his thoughts were.  He sincerely believed I was able to cover these things
> up and make them fail only after I had sold the car to him.
> >
> > There are a lot of crazy people in the world.
> >
> > Don Snook
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 9:16 PM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Subject: [MBZ] Stupid buyers
> >
> > I have not had a chance to tell the tale of the selling of my ML which I
> immediately regretted due to selling it way way way too cheap. Anyway this
> guy bugs the crap out of me wanting to look at it. I talk to him on the
> phone and answer his questions. He wanted to know if it had 2 sets of keys
> and owners manual. He also wanted the vin to run a carfax. The truck had a
> cracked from bumper due to neighbors cow running into it. No police or
> insurance involved. So he shows up and starts looking it over. Then said he
> pulled autocheck which shows the bumper shows as wrecked. I pull out my
> phone and run a carfax which shows clean and explained how it would be
> impossible for the cow damage to show up. Probably a ploy to get me to sell
> it even cheaper. Guy turns out to be a dealer and was talking dealer talk
> about auctions etc to which I responded with  dealer talk as well. He low
> balls me on my already way way way too cheap price to which I tell him I am
> firm and he can take it or leave it. I ended up knocking $100 off just so I
> did not have to deal with any further idols. His big concern was the cd
> changer was missing the magazine and kept asking if I had one. I had
> several 140s and 124s out back and he said surely they have one, he has
> never seen an s class that didn't. I told him I did not have a spare one to
> give him. Later on I am showing him around and looking at cars and as we
> are looking he keeps opening the trunks probably looking to see if I have a
> changed magazine. Kind of annoyed me. He finally pays and leaves. Now keep
> in mind I just put a brand new set of Michelins on it as well as brand new
> ac with new Denso compressor.  Probably close in value to what I sold it
> for. When I did the work I figured people would appreciate and recognize a
> well properly maintained vehicle bit I guess the M class crowd is just
> looking for a cheap car. I probably should have pulled the tires off and
> Put the old work out tires back on. So anyway a couple of days ago the guy
> calls up saying it runs and drives great but has the most uncomfortable
> seats in and ML he has ever had, said somebody but have replaced the
> padding with something else. Was also complaining about the way it steered
> around corners. He then wanted me to send him receipts for the tires and ac
> work. I told him if I ran across them I would send them to him.
> 

Re: [MBZ] This Looks Interesting

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

IS that some kind of pumped-up euro mkt engine or the standard fitting 
to the car?  Is the US version 24 valve?


--FT


On 10/3/16 6:14 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Nice! No ACC!  That is a HUGE plus!   Sportline a Plus.  
Vergasser: a Huge negative  cancels out the plusses.


If anyone wants a vergasser, this looks like a candidate.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
October 3, 2016 at 4:45 PM
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2708585-1993-euro-w124-e320-sportline-euro.html#post14996577 



Dan


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Re: [MBZ] This Looks Interesting

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Nice!  No ACC!  That is a HUGE plus!   Sportline a Plus.  Vergasser: 
a Huge negative  cancels out the plusses.


If anyone wants a vergasser, this looks like a candidate.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
October 3, 2016 at 4:45 PM
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2708585-1993-euro-w124-e320-sportline-euro.html#post14996577

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] This Looks Interesting

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Alexandria? $2500?
Andrew needs that more than he needs a Rolls. 

> On October 3, 2016 at 5:45 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2708585-1993-euro-w124-e320-sportline-euro.html#post14996577
> 
> Dan

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Re: [MBZ] This Looks Interesting

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 17:45:46 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2708585-1993-euro-w124-e320-sportline-euro.html#post14996577

Yes, it does.


Craig

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[MBZ] This Looks Interesting

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2708585-1993-euro-w124-e320-sportline-euro.html#post14996577

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Re: [MBZ] Stupid buyers

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Yes, I know what "as is" means.  I was there that day we discussed it in law 
school.  

The bill of sale had all the legal language in it:  as is, no warranties 
express or implied, blah, blah, blah.  I had no legal responsibility to do 
anything for the guy AND I told him that several times.  But, he was such a 
pain in the ass and kept up his demands, that at some point, it was worth it to 
get the muffler done just to shut him up.  It cost me nothing and he stopped 
bugging me. 

Don Snook 


-Original Message-
From: arche...@embarqmail.com [mailto:arche...@embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 4:16 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stupid buyers

Do you know the legal significance of the phrase "as is", Donald?
Since it's been around for a while it would seem there would by now be enough 
cases to establish its validity or lack of validity in various states?
Gerry

Donald Snook wrote:
> Some people are amazing aren't they!   I sold a guy an old cheap oldsmobile 
> several years ago and he called me all pissed off 4 months later because it 
> had a star chip in the windshield and the muffler went bad.  He had already 
> put over 6,000 miles on it in 4 months.  He said I must have known about the 
> chip and the muffler and that I had rigged something up to try to hide it 
> from him.   He bugged me repeatedly and could never explain how I was able to 
> hide the chip from him or how I had rigged the muffler to last long enough 
> that it went out only after I had sold it to him.  He kept bugging me and I 
> actually found a few of the service records that I had forgotten to give him. 
>   The muffler had a lifetime warranty from midas or some similar place.  We 
> finally agreed that he would bring the car to me and I had to bring it to 
> Midas to have the muffler replaced under warranty.  It didn't cost anything 
> -- except aggravation and time.  But, I was truly astounded by the nerve of 
> the guy.
   I wondered about how crazy his thoughts were.  He sincerely believed I was 
able to cover these things up and make them fail only after I had sold the car 
to him.  
> 
> There are a lot of crazy people in the world. 
> 
> Don Snook 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net] 
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 9:16 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: [MBZ] Stupid buyers
> 
> I have not had a chance to tell the tale of the selling of my ML which I 
> immediately regretted due to selling it way way way too cheap. Anyway this 
> guy bugs the crap out of me wanting to look at it. I talk to him on the phone 
> and answer his questions. He wanted to know if it had 2 sets of keys and 
> owners manual. He also wanted the vin to run a carfax. The truck had a 
> cracked from bumper due to neighbors cow running into it. No police or 
> insurance involved. So he shows up and starts looking it over. Then said he 
> pulled autocheck which shows the bumper shows as wrecked. I pull out my phone 
> and run a carfax which shows clean and explained how it would be impossible 
> for the cow damage to show up. Probably a ploy to get me to sell it even 
> cheaper. Guy turns out to be a dealer and was talking dealer talk about 
> auctions etc to which I responded with  dealer talk as well. He low balls me 
> on my already way way way too cheap price to which I tell him I am firm and 
> he can take it or leave it.
  I ended up knocking $100 off just so I did not have to deal with any further 
idols. His big concern was the cd changer was missing the magazine and kept 
asking if I had one. I had several 140s and 124s out back and he said surely 
they have one, he has never seen an s class that didn't. I told him I did not 
have a spare one to give him. Later on I am showing him around and looking at 
cars and as we are looking he keeps opening the trunks probably looking to see 
if I have a changed magazine. Kind of annoyed me. He finally pays and leaves. 
Now keep in mind I just put a brand new set of Michelins on it as well as brand 
new ac with new Denso compressor.  Probably close in value to what I sold it 
for. When I did the work I figured people would appreciate and recognize a well 
properly maintained vehicle bit I guess the M class crowd is just looking for a 
cheap car. I probably should have pulled the tires off and Put the old work out 
tires back on. So anyway a couple of days ago the guy ca
 lls up saying it runs and drives great but has the most uncomfortable seats in 
and ML he has ever had, said somebody but have replaced the padding with 
something else. Was also complaining about the way it steered around corners. 
He then wanted me to send him receipts for the tires and ac work. I told him if 
I ran across them I would send them to him. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Stupid buyers

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Do you know the legal significance of the phrase "as is", Donald?
Since it's been around for a while it would seem there would by now be enough 
cases to establish its validity or lack of validity in various states?
Gerry

Donald Snook wrote:
> Some people are amazing aren't they!   I sold a guy an old cheap oldsmobile 
> several years ago and he called me all pissed off 4 months later because it 
> had a star chip in the windshield and the muffler went bad.  He had already 
> put over 6,000 miles on it in 4 months.  He said I must have known about the 
> chip and the muffler and that I had rigged something up to try to hide it 
> from him.   He bugged me repeatedly and could never explain how I was able to 
> hide the chip from him or how I had rigged the muffler to last long enough 
> that it went out only after I had sold it to him.  He kept bugging me and I 
> actually found a few of the service records that I had forgotten to give him. 
>   The muffler had a lifetime warranty from midas or some similar place.  We 
> finally agreed that he would bring the car to me and I had to bring it to 
> Midas to have the muffler replaced under warranty.  It didn't cost anything 
> -- except aggravation and time.  But, I was truly astounded by the nerve of 
> the guy.
   I wondered about how crazy his thoughts were.  He sincerely believed I was 
able to cover these things up and make them fail only after I had sold the car 
to him.  
> 
> There are a lot of crazy people in the world. 
> 
> Don Snook 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net] 
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 9:16 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: [MBZ] Stupid buyers
> 
> I have not had a chance to tell the tale of the selling of my ML which I 
> immediately regretted due to selling it way way way too cheap. Anyway this 
> guy bugs the crap out of me wanting to look at it. I talk to him on the phone 
> and answer his questions. He wanted to know if it had 2 sets of keys and 
> owners manual. He also wanted the vin to run a carfax. The truck had a 
> cracked from bumper due to neighbors cow running into it. No police or 
> insurance involved. So he shows up and starts looking it over. Then said he 
> pulled autocheck which shows the bumper shows as wrecked. I pull out my phone 
> and run a carfax which shows clean and explained how it would be impossible 
> for the cow damage to show up. Probably a ploy to get me to sell it even 
> cheaper. Guy turns out to be a dealer and was talking dealer talk about 
> auctions etc to which I responded with  dealer talk as well. He low balls me 
> on my already way way way too cheap price to which I tell him I am firm and 
> he can take it or leave it.
  I ended up knocking $100 off just so I did not have to deal with any further 
idols. His big concern was the cd changer was missing the magazine and kept 
asking if I had one. I had several 140s and 124s out back and he said surely 
they have one, he has never seen an s class that didn't. I told him I did not 
have a spare one to give him. Later on I am showing him around and looking at 
cars and as we are looking he keeps opening the trunks probably looking to see 
if I have a changed magazine. Kind of annoyed me. He finally pays and leaves. 
Now keep in mind I just put a brand new set of Michelins on it as well as brand 
new ac with new Denso compressor.  Probably close in value to what I sold it 
for. When I did the work I figured people would appreciate and recognize a well 
properly maintained vehicle bit I guess the M class crowd is just looking for a 
cheap car. I probably should have pulled the tires off and Put the old work out 
tires back on. So anyway a couple of days ago the guy ca
 lls up saying it runs and drives great but has the most uncomfortable seats in 
and ML he has ever had, said somebody but have replaced the padding with 
something else. Was also complaining about the way it steered around corners. 
He then wanted me to send him receipts for the tires and ac work. I told him if 
I ran across them I would send them to him. 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

My two had been converted  to parallel. 78 had glow button for relay on
firewall

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI

On Oct 3, 2016 2:24 PM, "Craig via Mercedes"  wrote:

On Sun, 2 Oct 2016 16:44:44 -0400 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Yes that was my experience in my 78 & 79 240D,s.  fuse may have been
> over wheel well. Obvious fuse case.

But this is an '83, with parallel glow plugs and the relay on the
left-front fender.


Craig




> On Oct 2, 2016 4:13 PM, "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
>
> GP fuse -- if it is like my 300TD it is on the firewall in a little
> covered holder, it is a 20A strip fuse about 2in long and screws onto
> the contacts.  They cost like a dollar, buy a couple to keep in the car.
>
> Glow plug relay could be bad too (I'm guessing this car has a relay) but
> the fuse is the likely culprit.
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 10/2/16 4:08 PM, John Ingram via Mercedes wrote:
>
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > When I turn the key on my ’83 240D the glow plug light goes on as
> > usual but it does not go off after 10 seconds or so as it used to.
> > When I turn over the engine it doesn’t even try to start.  It seems
> > that the glow plugs never turned on.  Is there a relay or fuse that
> > is the normal cause for this?  If so, what is it and where is it?
> >
> > Thank You,
> > John Ingram
> > ’83 240D  311K
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Re: [MBZ] OT Soviet automotive engineering is best engineering

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I'm sure it was involved though

--FT


On 10/3/16 2:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

And... no vodka was spilled or wasted. very important.. da?

I've seen city buses with fewer passengers.. incredible..

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


http://jalopnik.com/watch-a-whole-herd-of-grown-ass-russians
-spill-out-of-a-1787354106


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Re: [MBZ] Classic CL

[clay via Mercedes]

I can do crappy respray all week long

clay


> On Oct 3, 2016, at 6:52 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It all comes down to how good the paint job is. I bet is a crappie respray
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I just had to share this:
>> 
>> http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5796811942.html
>> 
>> Ok, so it's not a perfect car, but could potentially be worthwhile to look 
>> at. So I drop the seller a line and ask about the "needs a few things" 
>> comment.  Here's their reply:
>> 
>>> Brakes: power vacuum assist has an issue - more like manual brakes right 
>>> now - intermittent
>>> and one of the calipers should be replaced - it wouldn't release so the 
>>> left rear caliper is not connected right now
>>> Motor Mounts:  Should be replaced - vibrating but not bad when driving
>>> Windows:  two do not work - the other two work
>>> AC - blows cold for a few months - then needs a can of refrigerant to 
>>> replenish it.
>>> 
>>> Car starts every time and runs good.  Interior is descent.  No cracks in 
>>> dash.
>>> Paint looks nice.
>> 
>> Wow. "Paint looks nice."  That makes me breathe easier.
>> 
>> So I politely suggest that some of these are rather critical items that 
>> potentially render the car unroadworthy, not to mention are substantial 
>> repairs.  Their response:
>> 
>>> It's an asking price, not a demanding price.  Make an offer.
>> 
>> $100?
>> 
>> Holy mother of pearl. I continue to be amazed at the level of stupidity.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Polei takes a rest

[clay via Mercedes]

PO was fed prosecutor, so probably did not homebrew, but lived on an island 
with a pack of greenies who might have set up their own pump for local brew.  
He had a Diesel Purge kit that may or may not have been used.  Looks like it 
involves a Gatorade bottle with in and out hose set up.  I could set that up to 
run 32oz of purge and drive it about.   There is a 350SDL at PnP, maybe I find 
a set of injectors to rebuild. 




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> On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:43 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> What you've described is classic example of running home brew biodiesel.
> 
> In a perfect world, biodiesel would be made to Schedule 52 and be perfectly
> compatible with dino diesel [pump diesel] Home brew diesel is often far
> from Schedule 52 biodiesel and when it burns, leaves a very sticky and
> thick layer of carbon inside the injectors, on valves, and combustion
> chambers... which make the car run like crap as it builds up..
> 
> It also will degrade IP performance, which affects fuel delivery to the
> then clogged injectors, which then don't make good spray pattern, which
> degrades the burn rate of the fuel injected.. which makes more carbon..
> 
> OOooops... might be time to open the tank and clean it out.. purge the rest
> of the fuel system, new filters.. AND... pull a fuel nozzle and have a look
> at what "one of them look like"...
> 
> Actually... I would pull the one fuel nozzle first...
> 
> Just a thought.
> 
> Grant...
> 
> On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 5:58 PM, clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> PO was running Bio for a long time.  Long enough that he had to replace
>> the IP seals a few times.  I am slow at getting the fluids changed because
>> I was thinking maybe if the engine got lifted out to fix the trans, then
>> the busted oil pan could be swapped out.  Once I get the old fuel out, I
>> want to run at least one tank of real fuel before changing the fuel filters.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 11:33 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> An SDL is no slouch, and slipping trannies are hard to mistake.
>>> Your fuel system is probably crapped up. BioD scrapes loose
>>> all kinds of crud.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 2 Oct 2016 16:44:44 -0400 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Yes that was my experience in my 78 & 79 240D,s.  fuse may have been
> over wheel well. Obvious fuse case.

But this is an '83, with parallel glow plugs and the relay on the
left-front fender.


Craig



 
> On Oct 2, 2016 4:13 PM, "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
> GP fuse -- if it is like my 300TD it is on the firewall in a little
> covered holder, it is a 20A strip fuse about 2in long and screws onto
> the contacts.  They cost like a dollar, buy a couple to keep in the car.
> 
> Glow plug relay could be bad too (I'm guessing this car has a relay) but
> the fuse is the likely culprit.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/2/16 4:08 PM, John Ingram via Mercedes wrote:
> 
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > When I turn the key on my ’83 240D the glow plug light goes on as
> > usual but it does not go off after 10 seconds or so as it used to.
> > When I turn over the engine it doesn’t even try to start.  It seems
> > that the glow plugs never turned on.  Is there a relay or fuse that
> > is the normal cause for this?  If so, what is it and where is it?
> >
> > Thank You,
> > John Ingram
> > ’83 240D  311K
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broken left rear trailing arm)
 '89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville Van (affectionately dubbed the BRV,
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Re: [MBZ] Message to New President and Congress

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

plus the $4mil ins fraud


G Mann via Mercedes 
October 3, 2016 at 1:05 PM
Dat rock on dat ho wut be wuth fo anna half millun aneway. Dat be 
holywuud.


On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <

Curley McLain 
October 3, 2016 at 12:11 PM
Two publicity stunts combined with ins fraud.



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Re: [MBZ] OT crazy craigslist

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Klingon and a bad translation... apparently

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
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> Was this ad translated from a different language?
>
> https://memphis.craigslist.org/cto/5810844747.html
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Re: [MBZ] New Klebmobile

[Darren Marshall via Mercedes]

I hope this is available for party rentals

Darren

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> 
> http://allentown.craigslist.org/cto/5739641513.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT Soviet automotive engineering is best engineering

[G Mann via Mercedes]

And... no vodka was spilled or wasted. very important.. da?

I've seen city buses with fewer passengers.. incredible..

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> http://jalopnik.com/watch-a-whole-herd-of-grown-ass-russians
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>
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Re: [MBZ] New Klebmobile

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 1 Oct 2016 21:19:38 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I kinda like the van for some reason, puts you closer to the action in 
> case of an intimate encounter.

Sort of like the Air Force saying that the pilot should investigate a
crash since he's the first one on the scene.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Message to New President and Congress

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Dat rock on dat ho wut be wuth fo anna half millun aneway. Dat be holywuud.

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> Two publicity stunts combined with ins fraud.
>
> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>> October 3, 2016 at 8:41 AM
>> Dude? like Kim Kardashiannn? got her jewelry stolen in Paris?  OMG I
>> am freaking out?
>>
>> --FT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Curley McLain 
>> October 3, 2016 at 8:29 AM
>> NOPE!   Greed and sloth rule, unless christendom tempers those tendencies.
>>
>> "Those who don't LEARN from history, are doomed to REPEAT it."
>>
>> We have the most historically illiterate society of modern times.
>>
>> archer75--- via Mercedes 
>> October 3, 2016 at 7:56 AM
>>
>> "The Budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public
>> debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and
>> controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed, lest
>> Rome will become bankrupt. People must again learn to work instead of
>> living on public assistance." - Cicero , 55 BC
>>
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Re: [MBZ] New Klebmobile

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 1 Oct 2016 21:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> http://www.2040-cars.com/Ford/E-Series-Van/1988-e350-f350-ford-dually-centurian-dreamer-conversion-1-ton-truck-sleeper-cab-419697/

Interesting website; I have never heard of it before.

They also have,

http://www.2040-cars.com/Mercedes-Benz/300-Series/mercedes-benz-300-series-turbo-diesel-1201346/

but there appears to be no way to contact the seller to ask questions.


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[MBZ] OT crazy craigslist

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Was this ad translated from a different language?

https://memphis.craigslist.org/cto/5810844747.html

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Re: [MBZ] who needs a 97 E320 project

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Similar to Wilton's car Max bought for $300.  We got it all pretty much 
picked, I wonder if we should put the remaining hulk on CL for $500.


I am trying to sale this showroom condition merzaydees body good for 
project or restaurantion no lowballers no calls text only first $500 
cash takes it or possible trades for guns, explosives, or new merchandise


--FT


On 10/3/16 1:23 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

Doesn't even qualify for a Kaleb price!

https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/5810953943.html

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[MBZ] who needs a 97 E320 project

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Doesn't even qualify for a Kaleb price!

https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/5810953943.html

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[MBZ] OT Soviet automotive engineering is best engineering

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

http://jalopnik.com/watch-a-whole-herd-of-grown-ass-russians-spill-out-of-a-1787354106


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Re: [MBZ] Message to New President and Congress

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Two publicity stunts combined with ins fraud.


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
October 3, 2016 at 8:41 AM
Dude? like Kim Kardashiannn? got her jewelry stolen in Paris?  OMG 
I am freaking out?


--FT




Curley McLain 
October 3, 2016 at 8:29 AM
NOPE!   Greed and sloth rule, unless christendom tempers those tendencies.

"Those who don't LEARN from history, are doomed to REPEAT it."

We have the most historically illiterate society of modern times.

archer75--- via Mercedes 
October 3, 2016 at 7:56 AM

"The Budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, 
public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be 
tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be 
curtailed, lest Rome will become bankrupt. People must again learn to 
work instead of living on public assistance." - Cicero , 55 BC


So, evidently we've learned NOTHING over the past 2,071 years.   |

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[MBZ] what is the point of scam CL ads

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Lately I have seen several cars/trucks listed on Craigslist that I am guessing 
are some sort of scam.   I am not talking about the obvious ones where they 
list a 4 year old Mercedes for $2500.  These have been older vehicles.  For 
example, there was a 97 Chevy Truck. Extended cab, Z71 for $1500 with only 
85,000 miles.  That would be a steal of a deal and I guess the old saying if it 
seems too good to be true, it probably is.  But, the only way to reply was to 
call.  There was no email.   I called and texted and eventually got directed to 
send an email.  I didn't because I guess that is the scam.  They want your 
email.

But, I keep seeing similar ads.  Yesterday there was a 92 Ford F-350 with only 
32,000 for $2000.  I was ready to drive over and give them the cash.  I called 
and texted and no answer.  Then, the ad is removed.

So, what sort of benefit is there to running this scam?  Is it just to get 
phone numbers? Is it market research?  I don't understand why they go to the 
trouble.

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Re: [MBZ] Stupid buyers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Another reason why when I use CL any more it's a burner email address and no 
phone number.

Of course selling a car involves a title, so they would have your contact 
information, but they would have to have kept it from the title when they 
bought it.

Dan

> On Oct 3, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Some people are amazing aren't they!   I sold a guy an old cheap oldsmobile 
> several years ago and he called me all pissed off 4 months later because it 
> had a star chip in the windshield and the muffler went bad.  He had already 
> put over 6,000 miles on it in 4 months.  He said I must have known about the 
> chip and the muffler and that I had rigged something up to try to hide it 
> from him.   He bugged me repeatedly and could never explain how I was able to 
> hide the chip from him or how I had rigged the muffler to last long enough 
> that it went out only after I had sold it to him.  He kept bugging me and I 
> actually found a few of the service records that I had forgotten to give him. 
>   The muffler had a lifetime warranty from midas or some similar place.  We 
> finally agreed that he would bring the car to me and I had to bring it to 
> Midas to have the muffler replaced under warranty.  It didn't cost anything 
> -- except aggravation and time.  But, I was truly astounded by the nerve of 
> the guy.
   I wondered about how crazy his thoughts were.  He sincerely believed I was 
able to cover these things up and make them fail only after I had sold the car 
to him.  
> 
> There are a lot of crazy people in the world. 
> 
> Don Snook 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net] 
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 9:16 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: [MBZ] Stupid buyers
> 
> I have not had a chance to tell the tale of the selling of my ML which I 
> immediately regretted due to selling it way way way too cheap. Anyway this 
> guy bugs the crap out of me wanting to look at it. I talk to him on the phone 
> and answer his questions. He wanted to know if it had 2 sets of keys and 
> owners manual. He also wanted the vin to run a carfax. The truck had a 
> cracked from bumper due to neighbors cow running into it. No police or 
> insurance involved. So he shows up and starts looking it over. Then said he 
> pulled autocheck which shows the bumper shows as wrecked. I pull out my phone 
> and run a carfax which shows clean and explained how it would be impossible 
> for the cow damage to show up. Probably a ploy to get me to sell it even 
> cheaper. Guy turns out to be a dealer and was talking dealer talk about 
> auctions etc to which I responded with  dealer talk as well. He low balls me 
> on my already way way way too cheap price to which I tell him I am firm and 
> he can take it or leave it.
  I ended up knocking $100 off just so I did not have to deal with any further 
idols. His big concern was the cd changer was missing the magazine and kept 
asking if I had one. I had several 140s and 124s out back and he said surely 
they have one, he has never seen an s class that didn't. I told him I did not 
have a spare one to give him. Later on I am showing him around and looking at 
cars and as we are looking he keeps opening the trunks probably looking to see 
if I have a changed magazine. Kind of annoyed me. He finally pays and leaves. 
Now keep in mind I just put a brand new set of Michelins on it as well as brand 
new ac with new Denso compressor.  Probably close in value to what I sold it 
for. When I did the work I figured people would appreciate and recognize a well 
properly maintained vehicle bit I guess the M class crowd is just looking for a 
cheap car. I probably should have pulled the tires off and Put the old work out 
tires back on. So anyway a couple of days ago the guy ca
 lls up saying it runs and drives great but has the most uncomfortable seats in 
and ML he has ever had, said somebody but have replaced the padding with 
something else. Was also complaining about the way it steered around corners. 
He then wanted me to send him receipts for the tires and ac work. I told him if 
I ran across them I would send them to him. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Stupid buyers

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Some people are amazing aren't they!   I sold a guy an old cheap oldsmobile 
several years ago and he called me all pissed off 4 months later because it had 
a star chip in the windshield and the muffler went bad.  He had already put 
over 6,000 miles on it in 4 months.  He said I must have known about the chip 
and the muffler and that I had rigged something up to try to hide it from him.  
 He bugged me repeatedly and could never explain how I was able to hide the 
chip from him or how I had rigged the muffler to last long enough that it went 
out only after I had sold it to him.  He kept bugging me and I actually found a 
few of the service records that I had forgotten to give him.   The muffler had 
a lifetime warranty from midas or some similar place.  We finally agreed that 
he would bring the car to me and I had to bring it to Midas to have the muffler 
replaced under warranty.  It didn't cost anything -- except aggravation and 
time.  But, I was truly astounded by the nerve of the guy.  
 I wondered about how crazy his thoughts were.  He sincerely believed I was 
able to cover these things up and make them fail only after I had sold the car 
to him.  

There are a lot of crazy people in the world. 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net] 
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 9:16 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Stupid buyers

I have not had a chance to tell the tale of the selling of my ML which I 
immediately regretted due to selling it way way way too cheap. Anyway this guy 
bugs the crap out of me wanting to look at it. I talk to him on the phone and 
answer his questions. He wanted to know if it had 2 sets of keys and owners 
manual. He also wanted the vin to run a carfax. The truck had a cracked from 
bumper due to neighbors cow running into it. No police or insurance involved. 
So he shows up and starts looking it over. Then said he pulled autocheck which 
shows the bumper shows as wrecked. I pull out my phone and run a carfax which 
shows clean and explained how it would be impossible for the cow damage to show 
up. Probably a ploy to get me to sell it even cheaper. Guy turns out to be a 
dealer and was talking dealer talk about auctions etc to which I responded with 
 dealer talk as well. He low balls me on my already way way way too cheap price 
to which I tell him I am firm and he can take it or leave it. I
  ended up knocking $100 off just so I did not have to deal with any further 
idols. His big concern was the cd changer was missing the magazine and kept 
asking if I had one. I had several 140s and 124s out back and he said surely 
they have one, he has never seen an s class that didn't. I told him I did not 
have a spare one to give him. Later on I am showing him around and looking at 
cars and as we are looking he keeps opening the trunks probably looking to see 
if I have a changed magazine. Kind of annoyed me. He finally pays and leaves. 
Now keep in mind I just put a brand new set of Michelins on it as well as brand 
new ac with new Denso compressor.  Probably close in value to what I sold it 
for. When I did the work I figured people would appreciate and recognize a well 
properly maintained vehicle bit I guess the M class crowd is just looking for a 
cheap car. I probably should have pulled the tires off and Put the old work out 
tires back on. So anyway a couple of days ago the guy call
 s up saying it runs and drives great but has the most uncomfortable seats in 
and ML he has ever had, said somebody but have replaced the padding with 
something else. Was also complaining about the way it steered around corners. 
He then wanted me to send him receipts for the tires and ac work. I told him if 
I ran across them I would send them to him. 

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Re: [MBZ] Classic CL

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I would be willing to guess the brake booster problem is more likely a vacuum 
leak. However, the capping off of the rear caliper smells of some serious 
kludging on someone's part, which makes it scary as you don't know the extent 
of their other "repairs".

Dan

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> On Oct 3, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, then I get it a do a few simple repairs and sell it for $2k, usually.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 9:00 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Kaleb - "I'll give you $500 for it."
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What exactly is a kleb car? 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
 wrote:
 
 I realize I'm more of a discerning owner, but with the issues described, 
 mainly the brake system problems, this is a Kleb car.
 
 $500?
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
> On Oct 3, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looks like the interior is on the decline.  But for some cheap money and 
> a day or two of sorting it would be an OK driver.
> 
> --R
> 
> 
>> On 10/3/16 9:04 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> I just had to share this:
>> 
>> http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5796811942.html
>> 
>> Ok, so it's not a perfect car, but could potentially be worthwhile to 
>> look at. So I drop the seller a line and ask about the "needs a few 
>> things" comment.  Here's their reply:
>> 
>>> Brakes: power vacuum assist has an issue - more like manual brakes 
>>> right now - intermittent
>>> and one of the calipers should be replaced - it wouldn't release so the 
>>> left rear caliper is not connected right now
>>> Motor Mounts:  Should be replaced - vibrating but not bad when driving
>>> Windows:  two do not work - the other two work
>>> AC - blows cold for a few months - then needs a can of refrigerant to 
>>> replenish it.
>>> 
>>> Car starts every time and runs good.  Interior is descent.  No cracks 
>>> in dash.
>>> Paint looks nice.
>> Wow. "Paint looks nice."  That makes me breathe easier.
>> 
>> So I politely suggest that some of these are rather critical items that 
>> potentially render the car unroadworthy, not to mention are substantial 
>> repairs.  Their response:
>> 
>>> It's an asking price, not a demanding price.  Make an offer.
>> $100?
>> 
>> Holy mother of pearl. I continue to be amazed at the level of stupidity.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Classic CL

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes, then I get it a do a few simple repairs and sell it for $2k, usually.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2016, at 9:00 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Kaleb - "I'll give you $500 for it."
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> What exactly is a kleb car? 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I realize I'm more of a discerning owner, but with the issues described, 
>>> mainly the brake system problems, this is a Kleb car.
>>> 
>>> $500?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Oct 3, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Looks like the interior is on the decline.  But for some cheap money and a 
 day or two of sorting it would be an OK driver.
 
 --R
 
 
> On 10/3/16 9:04 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> I just had to share this:
> 
> http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5796811942.html
> 
> Ok, so it's not a perfect car, but could potentially be worthwhile to 
> look at. So I drop the seller a line and ask about the "needs a few 
> things" comment.  Here's their reply:
> 
>> Brakes: power vacuum assist has an issue - more like manual brakes right 
>> now - intermittent
>> and one of the calipers should be replaced - it wouldn't release so the 
>> left rear caliper is not connected right now
>> Motor Mounts:  Should be replaced - vibrating but not bad when driving
>> Windows:  two do not work - the other two work
>> AC - blows cold for a few months - then needs a can of refrigerant to 
>> replenish it.
>> 
>> Car starts every time and runs good.  Interior is descent.  No cracks in 
>> dash.
>> Paint looks nice.
> Wow. "Paint looks nice."  That makes me breathe easier.
> 
> So I politely suggest that some of these are rather critical items that 
> potentially render the car unroadworthy, not to mention are substantial 
> repairs.  Their response:
> 
>> It's an asking price, not a demanding price.  Make an offer.
> $100?
> 
> Holy mother of pearl. I continue to be amazed at the level of stupidity.
> 
> Dan
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Classic CL

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Kaleb - "I'll give you $500 for it."

Dan

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> On Oct 3, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What exactly is a kleb car? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I realize I'm more of a discerning owner, but with the issues described, 
>> mainly the brake system problems, this is a Kleb car.
>> 
>> $500?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Looks like the interior is on the decline.  But for some cheap money and a 
>>> day or two of sorting it would be an OK driver.
>>> 
>>> --R
>>> 
>>> 
 On 10/3/16 9:04 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
 I just had to share this:
 
 http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5796811942.html
 
 Ok, so it's not a perfect car, but could potentially be worthwhile to look 
 at. So I drop the seller a line and ask about the "needs a few things" 
 comment.  Here's their reply:
 
> Brakes: power vacuum assist has an issue - more like manual brakes right 
> now - intermittent
> and one of the calipers should be replaced - it wouldn't release so the 
> left rear caliper is not connected right now
> Motor Mounts:  Should be replaced - vibrating but not bad when driving
> Windows:  two do not work - the other two work
> AC - blows cold for a few months - then needs a can of refrigerant to 
> replenish it.
> 
> Car starts every time and runs good.  Interior is descent.  No cracks in 
> dash.
> Paint looks nice.
 Wow. "Paint looks nice."  That makes me breathe easier.
 
 So I politely suggest that some of these are rather critical items that 
 potentially render the car unroadworthy, not to mention are substantial 
 repairs.  Their response:
 
> It's an asking price, not a demanding price.  Make an offer.
 $100?
 
 Holy mother of pearl. I continue to be amazed at the level of stupidity.
 
 Dan
 
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Re: [MBZ] Classic CL

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

What exactly is a kleb car? 

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> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I realize I'm more of a discerning owner, but with the issues described, 
> mainly the brake system problems, this is a Kleb car.
> 
> $500?
> 
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>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Looks like the interior is on the decline.  But for some cheap money and a 
>> day or two of sorting it would be an OK driver.
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/3/16 9:04 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I just had to share this:
>>> 
>>> http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5796811942.html
>>> 
>>> Ok, so it's not a perfect car, but could potentially be worthwhile to look 
>>> at. So I drop the seller a line and ask about the "needs a few things" 
>>> comment.  Here's their reply:
>>> 
 Brakes: power vacuum assist has an issue - more like manual brakes right 
 now - intermittent
 and one of the calipers should be replaced - it wouldn't release so the 
 left rear caliper is not connected right now
 Motor Mounts:  Should be replaced - vibrating but not bad when driving
 Windows:  two do not work - the other two work
 AC - blows cold for a few months - then needs a can of refrigerant to 
 replenish it.
 
 Car starts every time and runs good.  Interior is descent.  No cracks in 
 dash.
 Paint looks nice.
>>> Wow. "Paint looks nice."  That makes me breathe easier.
>>> 
>>> So I politely suggest that some of these are rather critical items that 
>>> potentially render the car unroadworthy, not to mention are substantial 
>>> repairs.  Their response:
>>> 
 It's an asking price, not a demanding price.  Make an offer.
>>> $100?
>>> 
>>> Holy mother of pearl. I continue to be amazed at the level of stupidity.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Classic CL

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It all comes down to how good the paint job is. I bet is a crappie respray

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> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I just had to share this:
> 
> http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5796811942.html
> 
> Ok, so it's not a perfect car, but could potentially be worthwhile to look 
> at. So I drop the seller a line and ask about the "needs a few things" 
> comment.  Here's their reply:
> 
>> Brakes: power vacuum assist has an issue - more like manual brakes right now 
>> - intermittent
>> and one of the calipers should be replaced - it wouldn't release so the left 
>> rear caliper is not connected right now
>> Motor Mounts:  Should be replaced - vibrating but not bad when driving
>> Windows:  two do not work - the other two work
>> AC - blows cold for a few months - then needs a can of refrigerant to 
>> replenish it.
>> 
>> Car starts every time and runs good.  Interior is descent.  No cracks in 
>> dash.
>> Paint looks nice.
> 
> Wow. "Paint looks nice."  That makes me breathe easier.
> 
> So I politely suggest that some of these are rather critical items that 
> potentially render the car unroadworthy, not to mention are substantial 
> repairs.  Their response:
> 
>> It's an asking price, not a demanding price.  Make an offer.
> 
> $100?
> 
> Holy mother of pearl. I continue to be amazed at the level of stupidity.
> 
> Dan
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Message to New President and Congress

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Dude? like Kim Kardashiannn? got her jewelry stolen in Paris?  OMG I 
am freaking out?


--FT


On 10/3/16 9:29 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

NOPE! Greed and sloth rule, unless christendom tempers those tendencies.

"Those who don't LEARN from history, are doomed to REPEAT it."

We have the most historically illiterate society of modern times.

archer75--- via Mercedes 
October 3, 2016 at 7:56 AM

"The Budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, 
public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be 
tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should 
be curtailed, lest Rome will become bankrupt. People must again learn 
to work instead of living on public assistance." - Cicero , 55 BC


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Re: [MBZ] Message to New President and Congress

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

NOPE!   Greed and sloth rule, unless christendom tempers those tendencies.

"Those who don't LEARN from history, are doomed to REPEAT it."

We have the most historically illiterate society of modern times.

archer75--- via Mercedes 
October 3, 2016 at 7:56 AM

"The Budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, 
public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be 
tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be 
curtailed, lest Rome will become bankrupt. People must again learn to 
work instead of living on public assistance." - Cicero , 55 BC


So, evidently we've learned NOTHING over the past 2,071 years.   |


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Re: [MBZ] Classic CL

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I realize I'm more of a discerning owner, but with the issues described, mainly 
the brake system problems, this is a Kleb car.

$500?

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> On Oct 3, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looks like the interior is on the decline.  But for some cheap money and a 
> day or two of sorting it would be an OK driver.
> 
> --R
> 
> 
>> On 10/3/16 9:04 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> I just had to share this:
>> 
>> http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5796811942.html
>> 
>> Ok, so it's not a perfect car, but could potentially be worthwhile to look 
>> at. So I drop the seller a line and ask about the "needs a few things" 
>> comment.  Here's their reply:
>> 
>>> Brakes: power vacuum assist has an issue - more like manual brakes right 
>>> now - intermittent
>>> and one of the calipers should be replaced - it wouldn't release so the 
>>> left rear caliper is not connected right now
>>> Motor Mounts:  Should be replaced - vibrating but not bad when driving
>>> Windows:  two do not work - the other two work
>>> AC - blows cold for a few months - then needs a can of refrigerant to 
>>> replenish it.
>>> 
>>> Car starts every time and runs good.  Interior is descent.  No cracks in 
>>> dash.
>>> Paint looks nice.
>> Wow. "Paint looks nice."  That makes me breathe easier.
>> 
>> So I politely suggest that some of these are rather critical items that 
>> potentially render the car unroadworthy, not to mention are substantial 
>> repairs.  Their response:
>> 
>>> It's an asking price, not a demanding price.  Make an offer.
>> $100?
>> 
>> Holy mother of pearl. I continue to be amazed at the level of stupidity.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

No, but I'd guess you can buy a new relay for the price kent wants to 
bodge up your car.  About $130 for a new one and $30 to 75 for a used 
one.   Check out ebay  You can use a 4 cyl or 5 cyl relay.  Just put in 
the right fuse.


If you think you want to go the pushbutton relay route, let me know.  I 
can help you find the right relay and fuse.  You can make your own 
wires.  It won't save you much money, but it will be cheaper than Kent's 
kit.

John Ingram via Mercedes 
October 3, 2016 at 5:38 AM
Thank you all for the great replies to my questions. I knew I would 
get the benefit of all your experience. I will start testing. Since 
the dashboard indicator light goes on this indicates the fuse is good. 
Looks like I need to get the relay.


There also is the push button relay kit from Mercedes Source, replaces 
stock relay. Anyone tried this?


Thank you all again for your help.
John Ingram



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Re: [MBZ] Classic CL

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Looks like the interior is on the decline.  But for some cheap money and 
a day or two of sorting it would be an OK driver.


--R


On 10/3/16 9:04 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

I just had to share this:

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5796811942.html

Ok, so it's not a perfect car, but could potentially be worthwhile to look at. So I drop 
the seller a line and ask about the "needs a few things" comment.  Here's their 
reply:


Brakes: power vacuum assist has an issue - more like manual brakes right now - 
intermittent
and one of the calipers should be replaced - it wouldn't release so the left 
rear caliper is not connected right now
Motor Mounts:  Should be replaced - vibrating but not bad when driving
Windows:  two do not work - the other two work
AC - blows cold for a few months - then needs a can of refrigerant to replenish 
it.

Car starts every time and runs good.  Interior is descent.  No cracks in dash.
Paint looks nice.

Wow. "Paint looks nice."  That makes me breathe easier.

So I politely suggest that some of these are rather critical items that 
potentially render the car unroadworthy, not to mention are substantial 
repairs.  Their response:


It's an asking price, not a demanding price.  Make an offer.

$100?

Holy mother of pearl. I continue to be amazed at the level of stupidity.

Dan

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[MBZ] Classic CL

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I just had to share this:

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5796811942.html

Ok, so it's not a perfect car, but could potentially be worthwhile to look at. 
So I drop the seller a line and ask about the "needs a few things" comment.  
Here's their reply:

> Brakes: power vacuum assist has an issue - more like manual brakes right now 
> - intermittent
> and one of the calipers should be replaced - it wouldn't release so the left 
> rear caliper is not connected right now
> Motor Mounts:  Should be replaced - vibrating but not bad when driving
> Windows:  two do not work - the other two work
> AC - blows cold for a few months - then needs a can of refrigerant to 
> replenish it.
> 
> Car starts every time and runs good.  Interior is descent.  No cracks in dash.
> Paint looks nice.

Wow. "Paint looks nice."  That makes me breathe easier.

So I politely suggest that some of these are rather critical items that 
potentially render the car unroadworthy, not to mention are substantial 
repairs.  Their response:

> It's an asking price, not a demanding price.  Make an offer.

$100?

Holy mother of pearl. I continue to be amazed at the level of stupidity.

Dan

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[MBZ] Message to New President and Congress

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

  
"The Budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt 
should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and 
controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed, lest Rome 
will become bankrupt. People must again learn to work instead of living on 
public assistance." - Cicero , 55 BC
  
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[MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing

[John Ingram via Mercedes]

Thank you all for the great replies to my questions. I knew I would get the 
benefit of all your experience. I will start testing.  Since the dashboard 
indicator light goes on this indicates the fuse is good.  Looks like I need to 
get the relay.

There also is the push button relay kit from Mercedes Source, replaces stock 
relay.  Anyone tried this?

Thank you all again for your help.
John Ingram



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Re: [MBZ] No need for Baby Poo Mogs

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Fast axles?
Isn't 95kph the normal top speed for mogs?

Can't you just imagine the ambulance racing to help you, tachometer buried, at
60mph? Must be the special military or logging road ambulance. 

Mitch.

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