date:20200123

I wondered about that. When it stopped raining, they were all gone.   
SWMBO said she saw them picking up the second 20 yd dumpster and 
dropping the third.  I thought they had the stuff in a pile for some 
scrapper to pick up.  But either that happened, or they went  in the 
second or third dumpster.


Looks like I missed the chance.


Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
January 23, 2020 at 7:32 PM
How,about donating them to veterans homes, sr centers, rehab etc for 
reuse.

Sorry if this is,a bleeding heart idea

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


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Re: [MBZ] BatteryMINDer 12117TC on sale today

2020-01-23 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Yup. Thanks. That appears to be a Northern Tool exclusive charger.

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] So beyond OT: EOT

Meh.  Blondy wrote a song about that guy, heart of glass.  Guess she never
got to his brains.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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> Extremely off topic but nonetheless fascinating.  Also macabre and
> potentially upsetting for those with a delicate constitution.
>
> ITALYMount Vesuvius blast turned ancient victim's brain to glassPublished:
> Thursday, January 23, 2020
>
> The eruption of Mount Vesuvius turned an incinerated victim's brain
> material into glass, the first time scientists have verified the phenomenon
> from a volcanic blast, officials at the Herculaneum archaeology site said
> today.
>
> Archaeologists rarely recover human brain tissue, and when they do it is
> normally smooth and soapy in consistency, according to an article detailing
> the discovery in *The New England Journal of Medicine*. The eruption of
> Vesuvius in the year 79 instantly killed the inhabitants of Pompeii and
> neighboring Herculaneum, burying an area 12 miles from the volcano in ash
> in just a few hours.
>
> The remains of a man lying on a wooden bed were discovered at Herculaneum,
> closer to Vesuvius than Pompeii, in the 1960s. He is believed to have been
> the custodian of a place of worship, the Collegium Augustalium.
>
> A team led by Pier Paolo Petrone, a forensic anthropologist at the
> University of Naples Federico II, determined that the victim's brain matter
> had been vitrified, a process by which tissue is burned at a high heat and
> turned into glass, according to the study. The fragments presented as
> shards of shiny black material spotted within remnants of the victim's
> skull.
>
> A study of the charred wood nearby indicates a maximum temperature of 968
> degrees Fahrenheit.
>
> "This suggests that extreme radiant heat was able to ignite body fat and
> vaporize soft tissue," the study said.
>
> The resulting solidified spongy mass found in the victim's chest bones is
> also unique among other archaeological sites and can be compared with
> victims of more recent historic events like the firebombing of Dresden and
> Hamburg in World War II, the article said.
>
> The flash of extreme heat was followed by a rapid drop in temperatures,
> which vitrified the brain material, the authors said.
>
> "This is the first time ever that vitrified human brain remains have been
> discovered resulting from heat produced by an eruption," Herculaneum
> officials said. *— Associated Press*
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Re: [MBZ] BatteryMINDer 12117TC on sale today

Well that's nice!  I tried to order it yesterday, but for some reason the
website crashed and my order did not go through.  Just ordered it now, save
another buck.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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> Looks like the price went down a dollar.
>
> Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > Northern Tool has the BatteryMINDer 12117TC Battery Charger/Trickle
> > Charger/Desulfator on sale today for $19.99, which is $40.00 off.
> >
> > https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200332201_200332201
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Re: [MBZ] ML 250 Bluetec -needs hatch

Except Dimitri will weld it.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 8:48 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
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> Lol.  Or loan it to Dimitri for the weekend...
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 8:44 PM Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
>
>> Nah that will bang out & buff out.
>>
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 8:41 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I wouldn't count on it.  This could me a multi-thou repair.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 5:54 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > That should be a fairly easy item to find somewhere.  Easy fix unless
>>> > the body is pranged.
>>> >
>>> > --FT
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Re: [MBZ] 1973 280 on BAT

The seller didn’t say a thing - literally! It didn’t meet reserve.

Add to that they had a $399 dealer’s fee, too. I hate that.

-D


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> 
> Would you believe it was bid to $6k and seller said No Sale.  He thinks he
> has a Testarossa...
> 
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:30 AM Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> 
>> Has some  flaws but overall not too bad.
>> 
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-mercedes-benz-280-6/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-01-23
>> 
>> We purchased a dark blue 1973 280 in 1982 for $4700 and sold it a year
>> later for $4850.   Took it on long trips to Ohio and had no issues.  Moved
>> up to a 1976 W115 300D with PW, an aux. fuel tank in the trunk, and a
>> sunroof.
>> 
>> Those were the days .
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Re: [MBZ] ML 250 Bluetec -needs hatch

Lol.  Or loan it to Dimitri for the weekend...

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 8:44 PM Dwight Giles  wrote:

> Nah that will bang out & buff out.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
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>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 8:41 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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>
>> I wouldn't count on it.  This could me a multi-thou repair.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 5:54 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > That should be a fairly easy item to find somewhere.  Easy fix unless
>> > the body is pranged.
>> >
>> > --FT
>> >
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>> > > Kaleb car?
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Re: [MBZ] 1973 280 on BAT

Would you believe it was bid to $6k and seller said No Sale.  He thinks he
has a Testarossa...

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:30 AM Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> Has some  flaws but overall not too bad.
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-mercedes-benz-280-6/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-01-23
>
> We purchased a dark blue 1973 280 in 1982 for $4700 and sold it a year
> later for $4850.   Took it on long trips to Ohio and had no issues.  Moved
> up to a 1976 W115 300D with PW, an aux. fuel tank in the trunk, and a
> sunroof.
>
> Those were the days .
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Re: [MBZ] Use for old walkers

Not at all.  We all love vets.

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> How,about donating them to veterans homes, sr centers, rehab etc for reuse.
> Sorry if this is,a bleeding heart idea
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 7:10 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > That's what old chainsaw engines are for - motorize and race those
> walkers!
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:24 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > A few years ago someone posted a clever use for old walkers.   Now a
> > > neighbor is throwing out a bunch of walkers, including the wheeled
> > > sit-down walkers and I can't remember what the use was.   Anyone
> > remember?
> > >
> > > I was thinking 2 walkers and a slab of 3/4" plywood could make a
> > > portable bench.  Or 2 walkers could replace sawhorses.
> > >
> > > What other uses for old walkers can all you creative geniuses come up
> > with?
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> > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> > pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >
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> who
> > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> > for themselves."
> >
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Re: [MBZ] ML 250 Bluetec -needs hatch

Nah that will bang out & buff out.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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> I wouldn't count on it.  This could me a multi-thou repair.
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 5:54 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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>
> > That should be a fairly easy item to find somewhere.  Easy fix unless
> > the body is pranged.
> >
> > --FT
> >
> > On 1/23/20 4:57 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Kaleb car?
> > > https://www.copart.com/lot/60873529
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Re: [MBZ] ML Window Regulator Replacement

I love my 1983 W123 wagon more every day...

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 8:31 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> Yes and cheaper to assemble.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 7:09 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > It is more convenient to assemble with rivets, but not for maintenance.
> >
> > Dan, what type of rivets are you needing a monster rivet gun for? Iuse
> both
> > solid aluminum rivets with a little pneumatic gun, and cherrymax rivets
> > (strong pop-type) with an airpowered gun that is rather large on the
> Cessna
> > 
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:33 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Although I wonder why they didn't use more convenient fasteners, e.g.
> > > screws or bolts.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:24 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is a riveting story!
> > > >
> > > > --FT
> > > >
> > > > On 1/23/20 3:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > > > > The beater ML500 driver’s window regulator puked a few weeks ago. I
> > > have
> > > > tired of wrestling the window glass when I need to lower and raise
> it,
> > > so I
> > > > popped for a new regulator from the stealership, which was cheap and
> in
> > > > stock, a real “tell” that they sell a lot of these. They’re not prone
> > to
> > > > stocking parts for a chassis that’s 10+ years old, so when they have
> > the
> > > > part in stock I know they must commonly fail.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, five minutes to remove the inner door panel if that.
> Another
> > > 2-3
> > > > to drill out the rivets. Pop the motor connector and the remains of
> the
> > > old
> > > > regulator come out - someone in the past attempted to repair it with
> > some
> > > > scrap metal and JB Weld, amazing that it held up. The break made it
> > even
> > > > easier to remove the carcass of the old regulator.
> > > > >
> > > > > New regulator in, rivets in place, now I have to go over to the old
> > > > homestead and get my monster rivet gun. Dang! I was hoping to do this
> > in
> > > > under 30 minutes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Back in a bit after I pop over to the old place and get my stuff.
> > > > >
> > > > > -D
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> >
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> who
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> > for themselves."
> >
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Re: [MBZ] ML 250 Bluetec -needs hatch

I wouldn't count on it.  This could me a multi-thou repair.

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> That should be a fairly easy item to find somewhere.  Easy fix unless
> the body is pranged.
>
> --FT
>
> On 1/23/20 4:57 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] Use for old walkers

How,about donating them to veterans homes, sr centers, rehab etc for reuse.
Sorry if this is,a bleeding heart idea

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 7:10 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
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> That's what old chainsaw engines are for - motorize and race those walkers!
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:24 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > A few years ago someone posted a clever use for old walkers.   Now a
> > neighbor is throwing out a bunch of walkers, including the wheeled
> > sit-down walkers and I can't remember what the use was.   Anyone
> remember?
> >
> > I was thinking 2 walkers and a slab of 3/4" plywood could make a
> > portable bench.  Or 2 walkers could replace sawhorses.
> >
> > What other uses for old walkers can all you creative geniuses come up
> with?
> >
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>
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
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> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] ML Window Regulator Replacement

Yes and cheaper to assemble.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 7:09 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> It is more convenient to assemble with rivets, but not for maintenance.
>
> Dan, what type of rivets are you needing a monster rivet gun for? Iuse both
> solid aluminum rivets with a little pneumatic gun, and cherrymax rivets
> (strong pop-type) with an airpowered gun that is rather large on the Cessna
> 
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:33 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Although I wonder why they didn't use more convenient fasteners, e.g.
> > screws or bolts.
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:24 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > This is a riveting story!
> > >
> > > --FT
> > >
> > > On 1/23/20 3:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > > > The beater ML500 driver’s window regulator puked a few weeks ago. I
> > have
> > > tired of wrestling the window glass when I need to lower and raise it,
> > so I
> > > popped for a new regulator from the stealership, which was cheap and in
> > > stock, a real “tell” that they sell a lot of these. They’re not prone
> to
> > > stocking parts for a chassis that’s 10+ years old, so when they have
> the
> > > part in stock I know they must commonly fail.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, five minutes to remove the inner door panel if that. Another
> > 2-3
> > > to drill out the rivets. Pop the motor connector and the remains of the
> > old
> > > regulator come out - someone in the past attempted to repair it with
> some
> > > scrap metal and JB Weld, amazing that it held up. The break made it
> even
> > > easier to remove the carcass of the old regulator.
> > > >
> > > > New regulator in, rivets in place, now I have to go over to the old
> > > homestead and get my monster rivet gun. Dang! I was hoping to do this
> in
> > > under 30 minutes.
> > > >
> > > > Back in a bit after I pop over to the old place and get my stuff.
> > > >
> > > > -D
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>
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
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Re: [MBZ] So beyond OT: EOT

This is something sort of similar I was reading about the other day…

https://www.archaeology.org/news/8343-200109-iron-age-brain 


-D


> On Jan 23, 2020, at 7:03 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Fact is stranger than fiction - I figured the brain would just boil away,
> then turn to carbon.
> 
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 2:05 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Extremely off topic but nonetheless fascinating.  Also macabre and
>> potentially upsetting for those with a delicate constitution.
>> 
>> ITALYMount Vesuvius blast turned ancient victim's brain to glassPublished:
>> Thursday, January 23, 2020
>> 
>> The eruption of Mount Vesuvius turned an incinerated victim's brain
>> material into glass, the first time scientists have verified the phenomenon
>> from a volcanic blast, officials at the Herculaneum archaeology site said
>> today.
>> 
>> Archaeologists rarely recover human brain tissue, and when they do it is
>> normally smooth and soapy in consistency, according to an article detailing
>> the discovery in *The New England Journal of Medicine*. The eruption of
>> Vesuvius in the year 79 instantly killed the inhabitants of Pompeii and
>> neighboring Herculaneum, burying an area 12 miles from the volcano in ash
>> in just a few hours.
>> 
>> The remains of a man lying on a wooden bed were discovered at Herculaneum,
>> closer to Vesuvius than Pompeii, in the 1960s. He is believed to have been
>> the custodian of a place of worship, the Collegium Augustalium.
>> 
>> A team led by Pier Paolo Petrone, a forensic anthropologist at the
>> University of Naples Federico II, determined that the victim's brain matter
>> had been vitrified, a process by which tissue is burned at a high heat and
>> turned into glass, according to the study. The fragments presented as
>> shards of shiny black material spotted within remnants of the victim's
>> skull.
>> 
>> A study of the charred wood nearby indicates a maximum temperature of 968
>> degrees Fahrenheit.
>> 
>> "This suggests that extreme radiant heat was able to ignite body fat and
>> vaporize soft tissue," the study said.
>> 
>> The resulting solidified spongy mass found in the victim's chest bones is
>> also unique among other archaeological sites and can be compared with
>> victims of more recent historic events like the firebombing of Dresden and
>> Hamburg in World War II, the article said.
>> 
>> The flash of extreme heat was followed by a rapid drop in temperatures,
>> which vitrified the brain material, the authors said.
>> 
>> "This is the first time ever that vitrified human brain remains have been
>> discovered resulting from heat produced by an eruption," Herculaneum
>> officials said. *— Associated Press*
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> 
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] ML Window Regulator Replacement

Andrew, it seems that Mercedes went to rivets on window regulators in the late 
90s. I know that W220 and W211 chassis cars use rivets as well. Probably 
cheaper to use and easier in production. The regulators aren’t nearly as 
substantial as in previous models, either. At least not in the W220s.

Don, I just use a manual riveter from HF like this one:

https://www.harborfreight.com/heavy-duty-17-1-2-half-inch-hand-riveter-with-collection-bottle-66422.html
 


My small riveter wouldn’t do rivets this size, and I don’t rivet enough to 
bother with the hassle of a pneumatic riveter. If this one had a negative it’s 
that you have to be able to get straight on at the rivet, so if it’s in a tight 
space you might have problems.

-D



> On Jan 23, 2020, at 7:08 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It is more convenient to assemble with rivets, but not for maintenance.
> 
> Dan, what type of rivets are you needing a monster rivet gun for? Iuse both
> solid aluminum rivets with a little pneumatic gun, and cherrymax rivets
> (strong pop-type) with an airpowered gun that is rather large on the Cessna
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:33 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Although I wonder why they didn't use more convenient fasteners, e.g.
>> screws or bolts.
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:24 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> This is a riveting story!
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> On 1/23/20 3:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 The beater ML500 driver’s window regulator puked a few weeks ago. I
>> have
>>> tired of wrestling the window glass when I need to lower and raise it,
>> so I
>>> popped for a new regulator from the stealership, which was cheap and in
>>> stock, a real “tell” that they sell a lot of these. They’re not prone to
>>> stocking parts for a chassis that’s 10+ years old, so when they have the
>>> part in stock I know they must commonly fail.
 
 Anyway, five minutes to remove the inner door panel if that. Another
>> 2-3
>>> to drill out the rivets. Pop the motor connector and the remains of the
>> old
>>> regulator come out - someone in the past attempted to repair it with some
>>> scrap metal and JB Weld, amazing that it held up. The break made it even
>>> easier to remove the carcass of the old regulator.
 
 New regulator in, rivets in place, now I have to go over to the old
>>> homestead and get my monster rivet gun. Dang! I was hoping to do this in
>>> under 30 minutes.
 
 Back in a bit after I pop over to the old place and get my stuff.
 
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Use for old walkers

That's what old chainsaw engines are for - motorize and race those walkers!

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:24 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> A few years ago someone posted a clever use for old walkers.   Now a
> neighbor is throwing out a bunch of walkers, including the wheeled
> sit-down walkers and I can't remember what the use was.   Anyone remember?
>
> I was thinking 2 walkers and a slab of 3/4" plywood could make a
> portable bench.  Or 2 walkers could replace sawhorses.
>
> What other uses for old walkers can all you creative geniuses come up with?
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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] ML Window Regulator Replacement

It is more convenient to assemble with rivets, but not for maintenance.

Dan, what type of rivets are you needing a monster rivet gun for? Iuse both
solid aluminum rivets with a little pneumatic gun, and cherrymax rivets
(strong pop-type) with an airpowered gun that is rather large on the Cessna


On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:33 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Although I wonder why they didn't use more convenient fasteners, e.g.
> screws or bolts.
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:24 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > This is a riveting story!
> >
> > --FT
> >
> > On 1/23/20 3:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > > The beater ML500 driver’s window regulator puked a few weeks ago. I
> have
> > tired of wrestling the window glass when I need to lower and raise it,
> so I
> > popped for a new regulator from the stealership, which was cheap and in
> > stock, a real “tell” that they sell a lot of these. They’re not prone to
> > stocking parts for a chassis that’s 10+ years old, so when they have the
> > part in stock I know they must commonly fail.
> > >
> > > Anyway, five minutes to remove the inner door panel if that. Another
> 2-3
> > to drill out the rivets. Pop the motor connector and the remains of the
> old
> > regulator come out - someone in the past attempted to repair it with some
> > scrap metal and JB Weld, amazing that it held up. The break made it even
> > easier to remove the carcass of the old regulator.
> > >
> > > New regulator in, rivets in place, now I have to go over to the old
> > homestead and get my monster rivet gun. Dang! I was hoping to do this in
> > under 30 minutes.
> > >
> > > Back in a bit after I pop over to the old place and get my stuff.
> > >
> > > -D
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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] So beyond OT: EOT

Fact is stranger than fiction - I figured the brain would just boil away,
then turn to carbon.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 2:05 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Extremely off topic but nonetheless fascinating.  Also macabre and
> potentially upsetting for those with a delicate constitution.
>
> ITALYMount Vesuvius blast turned ancient victim's brain to glassPublished:
> Thursday, January 23, 2020
>
> The eruption of Mount Vesuvius turned an incinerated victim's brain
> material into glass, the first time scientists have verified the phenomenon
> from a volcanic blast, officials at the Herculaneum archaeology site said
> today.
>
> Archaeologists rarely recover human brain tissue, and when they do it is
> normally smooth and soapy in consistency, according to an article detailing
> the discovery in *The New England Journal of Medicine*. The eruption of
> Vesuvius in the year 79 instantly killed the inhabitants of Pompeii and
> neighboring Herculaneum, burying an area 12 miles from the volcano in ash
> in just a few hours.
>
> The remains of a man lying on a wooden bed were discovered at Herculaneum,
> closer to Vesuvius than Pompeii, in the 1960s. He is believed to have been
> the custodian of a place of worship, the Collegium Augustalium.
>
> A team led by Pier Paolo Petrone, a forensic anthropologist at the
> University of Naples Federico II, determined that the victim's brain matter
> had been vitrified, a process by which tissue is burned at a high heat and
> turned into glass, according to the study. The fragments presented as
> shards of shiny black material spotted within remnants of the victim's
> skull.
>
> A study of the charred wood nearby indicates a maximum temperature of 968
> degrees Fahrenheit.
>
> "This suggests that extreme radiant heat was able to ignite body fat and
> vaporize soft tissue," the study said.
>
> The resulting solidified spongy mass found in the victim's chest bones is
> also unique among other archaeological sites and can be compared with
> victims of more recent historic events like the firebombing of Dresden and
> Hamburg in World War II, the article said.
>
> The flash of extreme heat was followed by a rapid drop in temperatures,
> which vitrified the brain material, the authors said.
>
> "This is the first time ever that vitrified human brain remains have been
> discovered resulting from heat produced by an eruption," Herculaneum
> officials said. *— Associated Press*
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for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] Evil not Knievel

Or at least a horizontal stabilizer ---

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:53 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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> He needed that car that was equipped with rocket boosters.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 2:46 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Wasn't this car equipped with an airbag(s)?
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Use for old walkers

2020-01-23 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> Curley wrote:

> What other uses for old walkers can all you creative geniuses
> come up with?

Build a crucible, melt the aluminum an cast parts for a milling
machine.

http://gingerybookstore.com/

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Re: [MBZ] ML 250 Bluetec -needs hatch

That should be a fairly easy item to find somewhere.  Easy fix unless 
the body is pranged.


--FT

On 1/23/20 4:57 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Kaleb car?
https://www.copart.com/lot/60873529

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hybrids vs. EVs - emissions comparison

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 22:23:24 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

>  Where the camshaft activates the injectors, like a Detroit diesel. VW
> used them for a little while, I think 2003 or 2004 until the common
> rail engines came out which I think is 2009 or 2010. They're hard on
> timing belts and don't get as good economy but are slightly more
> powerful, respond better to a tune and are more irritating to replace
> injectors on as the injector is under the valve cover. -Curt

Thank you.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hybrids vs. EVs - emissions comparison

 Where the camshaft activates the injectors, like a Detroit diesel. VW used 
them for a little while, I think 2003 or 2004 until the common rail engines 
came out which I think is 2009 or 2010.
They're hard on timing belts and don't get as good economy but are slightly 
more powerful, respond better to a tune and are more irritating to replace 
injectors on as the injector is under the valve cover.
-Curt

On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 2:54:15 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 18:52:43 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Angie's '05 Golf has done a paltry 50mpg, the pump deuse engines just
> don't make the economy of the others.

"pump deuse engines" ?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap -- UPDATE


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
https://www.live5news.com/2020/01/23/coroner-identifies-uber-passenger-killed-by-driver-following-altercation-johns-island/ 


And I thought it was bad with them killing the deaded guy a "victim" when they 
were treating the case as probable self defense...


“He died from apparent gunshot wounds,” CPD officials said."The offender was 
also still on scene."


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Re: [MBZ] Use for old walkers


especially if I can score a couple of the folding ones.

I liked your portable bench.


Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
January 23, 2020 at 3:46 PM
Not ringing a bell for me, but I like the idea of using walkers for saw
horses.
-
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[MBZ] ML 250 Bluetec -needs hatch


Kaleb car?
https://www.copart.com/lot/60873529

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Re: [MBZ] Evil not Knievel

He needed that car that was equipped with rocket boosters.
-
Max
Charleston SC

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> Wasn't this car equipped with an airbag(s)?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Use for old walkers

Not ringing a bell for me, but I like the idea of using walkers for saw
horses.
-
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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> A few years ago someone posted a clever use for old walkers.   Now a
> neighbor is throwing out a bunch of walkers, including the wheeled
> sit-down walkers and I can't remember what the use was.   Anyone remember?
>
> I was thinking 2 walkers and a slab of 3/4" plywood could make a
> portable bench.  Or 2 walkers could replace sawhorses.
>
> What other uses for old walkers can all you creative geniuses come up with?
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On 23/01/2020 3:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
A few years ago someone posted a clever use for old walkers.   Now a 
neighbor is throwing out a bunch of walkers, including the wheeled 
sit-down walkers and I can't remember what the use was.   Anyone 
remember?


I was thinking 2 walkers and a slab of 3/4" plywood could make a 
portable bench.  Or 2 walkers could replace sawhorses.


What other uses for old walkers can all you creative geniuses come up 
with?


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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300

Sounds like a real cheap fix.  Nice!
-
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Charleston SC


On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 4:38 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> OK in a quick research this seems to be the issue but will need to get
> the car to check and see:
>
>
> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/351031-w210-glow-plug-issue-97-e300d.html
>
> Looks like if the connector is not connecting then the IP won't pump any
> fuel, which is why the guy suspected the IP..  Damn wouldn't it be cool
> if it is just a bad connector!
>
> --FT
>
> tjts1  tjts1 is
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> Join Date: May 2009
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> Quote:
> Originally Posted by *treiberg* View Post
> <
> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/351031-w210-glow-plug-issue-97-e300d.html#post3383292>
>
>
> Back to this issue again. Car has been running fine for several months,
> with only a few times where light wouldn't come on, but usually if we
> just waited an hour or two, we would finally get the glow plug light and
> then car would fire up. But now I cannot get glow plug light on and
> engine will not start without it. Here is a tally of what I have
> investigated:
>
> -glow plug resistance appears to be fine, all in the 0.6 to 0.8 ohm range
> -glow plug relay seems to be fine, at least I see it providing 12V to
> output blades when I energize it, and you can hear relay click
> -replaced the K40 relay
> -problem appears to be worse when engine or ambient is hot
>
> The problem appears to be that the signal to energize the relay is not
> working. I cannot consistently get 12v at the two input wires to the
> glow plug relay. My understanding is that this starts with the ignition
> switch, but it is also enabled by the temperature sensor located under
> the manifold. I wonder if this sensor has gone bad...??
>
> Also, I need to start the car to move it. So I figured if I just apply
> 12V to the input side of the glow plug relay, then it will pass power to
> the glow plugs and I will be able to start it after 10-15 seconds - sort
> of bypassing the electronics that send the 12v. However, when I do this
> the relay only pops on for 1-2 seconds and turns right back off again,
> not nearly enough time to energize those plugs to allow me to start. Is
> that relay somehow super smart and know that my 12v is different than
> the one from the ECU?
>
> If anyone out there has some input, or can even provide a wiring diagram
> for a 97 E210 E300D, that would really help.
>
> I went through this exact issue with my 97 a couple of weeks ago. First
> of all trying to hot wire the GP relay is not going to work because this
> GP relay is digitally controlled by the engine computer. Even if you
> manage to hotwire it, the computer won't allow fuel to the IP if it
> doesn't have clear communication with the GP relay. The GP relay has a
> PIC16 micro controller in it. There is a small 2 wire (3 pin) plug on
> the GP relay with a white and brown wire. Brown is ground and white is a
> data line from the engine computer. Grab that plug and wiggle it a bit.
> You'll see it has some play. The plug is poorly designed and
> intermittently cuts the data signal between the engine computer and GP
> relay.
>
> The solution is fairly simple. Solder your own wires to pins 1 and 2 of
> the 3 pin plug on the GP relay and use standard off the shelf plugs to
> securely plug it into the car's wiring harness (brown and white wires).
> Leave everything else the same. You will also need to connect to the
> OBD2 port and delete the stored code (P0380 i think).
>
> Heres an older thread where we discussed the issue and the fix.
> GP relay help - 1997 E300 om606.912
> <
> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/358272-gp-relay-help-1997-e300-om606-912-a-2.html
> >
>
> My car went from intermittent no start to totally reliable starts after
> this modification. MB issued a service bulletin about this very issue.
> Quote:
> SUBJECT: DEALER TECHNICAL BULLETIN 31/98
>
> 31/98-1 RECALLS AND SERVICE CAMPAIGNS: WHEN REPAIRING ANY VEHICLE,
> ALWAYS CHECK THE VEHICLE MASTER INQUIRY FOR OPEN CAMPAIGNS
>
> 31/98-3 GROUP 07 - ALL DIESELS AS OF MY 96 (210.020, 210.025): For
> conditions of code P1482 (preglow control module) in engine ECU, in
> addition to the tests outlined in Diagnostic Manual 1.1 and 1.2,*please
> check the electrical line and connectors between the preglow control
> module and the engine ECU (signal wire / ground and voltage supply) for
> possible intermittent contact, open contact, short to ground and / or
> power.* If all checks OK, replace preglow control module. These
> additional tests are necessary to obtain a more precise definition of
> code P1482. In case of warranty, please use Damage Code according to
> identified problem.
> H. Polz, Service Engineering
> HPdg 12-18-98
>
>
> On 1/22/20 4:53 PM, Buggered Benzmail

Re: [MBZ] 99 E300

OK in a quick research this seems to be the issue but will need to get
the car to check and see:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/351031-w210-glow-plug-issue-97-e300d.html

Looks like if the connector is not connecting then the IP won't pump any
fuel, which is why the guy suspected the IP.. Damn wouldn't it be cool
if it is just a bad connector!

--FT

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Quote:
Originally Posted by *treiberg* View Post

Back to this issue again. Car has been running fine for several months,
with only a few times where light wouldn't come on, but usually if we
just waited an hour or two, we would finally get the glow plug light and
then car would fire up. But now I cannot get glow plug light on and
engine will not start without it. Here is a tally of what I have
investigated:

-glow plug resistance appears to be fine, all in the 0.6 to 0.8 ohm range
-glow plug relay seems to be fine, at least I see it providing 12V to
output blades when I energize it, and you can hear relay click

-replaced the K40 relay
-problem appears to be worse when engine or ambient is hot

The problem appears to be that the signal to energize the relay is not
working. I cannot consistently get 12v at the two input wires to the
glow plug relay. My understanding is that this starts with the ignition
switch, but it is also enabled by the temperature sensor located under
the manifold. I wonder if this sensor has gone bad...??

Also, I need to start the car to move it. So I figured if I just apply
12V to the input side of the glow plug relay, then it will pass power to
the glow plugs and I will be able to start it after 10-15 seconds - sort
of bypassing the electronics that send the 12v. However, when I do this
the relay only pops on for 1-2 seconds and turns right back off again,
not nearly enough time to energize those plugs to allow me to start. Is
that relay somehow super smart and know that my 12v is different than
the one from the ECU?

If anyone out there has some input, or can even provide a wiring diagram
for a 97 E210 E300D, that would really help.

I went through this exact issue with my 97 a couple of weeks ago. First
of all trying to hot wire the GP relay is not going to work because this
GP relay is digitally controlled by the engine computer. Even if you
manage to hotwire it, the computer won't allow fuel to the IP if it
doesn't have clear communication with the GP relay. The GP relay has a
PIC16 micro controller in it. There is a small 2 wire (3 pin) plug on
the GP relay with a white and brown wire. Brown is ground and white is a
data line from the engine computer. Grab that plug and wiggle it a bit.
You'll see it has some play. The plug is poorly designed and
intermittently cuts the data signal between the engine computer and GP
relay.

The solution is fairly simple. Solder your own wires to pins 1 and 2 of
the 3 pin plug on the GP relay and use standard off the shelf plugs to
securely plug it into the car's wiring harness (brown and white wires).
Leave everything else the same. You will also need to connect to the
OBD2 port and delete the stored code (P0380 i think).

Heres an older thread where we discussed the issue and the fix.
GP relay help - 1997 E300 om606.912

My car went from intermittent no start to totally reliable starts after
this modification. MB issued a service bulletin about this very issue.

Quote:
SUBJECT: DEALER TECHNICAL BULLETIN 31/98

31/98-1 RECALLS AND SERVICE CAMPAIGNS: WHEN REPAIRING ANY VEHICLE,
ALWAYS CHECK THE VEHICLE MASTER INQUIRY FOR OPEN CAMPAIGNS

31/98-3 GROUP 07 - ALL DIESELS AS OF MY 96 (210.020, 210.025): For
conditions of code P1482 (preglow control module) in engine ECU, in
addition to the tests outlined in Diagnostic Manual 1.1 and 1.2,*please
check the electrical line and connectors between the preglow control
module and the engine ECU (signal wire / ground and voltage supply) for
possible intermittent contact, open contact, short to ground and / or
power.* If all checks OK, replace preglow control module. These
additional tests are necessary to obtain a more precise definition of
code P1482. In case of warranty, please use Damage Code according to
identified problem.

H. Polz, Service Engineering
HPdg 12-18-98

On 1/22/20 4:53 PM, Buggered Benzmail wrote:
H I’ve got the smashed $500E300... do some swap. don’t like white
much but it looks half nice. $500 would be more like it...

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/172589444114706/

1200$

Needs injection pump or pump rebuild

Ran and drove perfect

Re: [MBZ] Use for old walkers

I have one walker for my apres knee surgery days.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 4:24 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> A few years ago someone posted a clever use for old walkers.   Now a
> neighbor is throwing out a bunch of walkers, including the wheeled
> sit-down walkers and I can't remember what the use was.   Anyone remember?
>
> I was thinking 2 walkers and a slab of 3/4" plywood could make a
> portable bench.  Or 2 walkers could replace sawhorses.
>
> What other uses for old walkers can all you creative geniuses come up with?
>
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Re: [MBZ] ML Window Regulator Replacement

Although I wonder why they didn't use more convenient fasteners, e.g.
screws or bolts.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:24 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This is a riveting story!
>
> --FT
>
> On 1/23/20 3:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > The beater ML500 driver’s window regulator puked a few weeks ago. I have
> tired of wrestling the window glass when I need to lower and raise it, so I
> popped for a new regulator from the stealership, which was cheap and in
> stock, a real “tell” that they sell a lot of these. They’re not prone to
> stocking parts for a chassis that’s 10+ years old, so when they have the
> part in stock I know they must commonly fail.
> >
> > Anyway, five minutes to remove the inner door panel if that. Another 2-3
> to drill out the rivets. Pop the motor connector and the remains of the old
> regulator come out - someone in the past attempted to repair it with some
> scrap metal and JB Weld, amazing that it held up. The break made it even
> easier to remove the carcass of the old regulator.
> >
> > New regulator in, rivets in place, now I have to go over to the old
> homestead and get my monster rivet gun. Dang! I was hoping to do this in
> under 30 minutes.
> >
> > Back in a bit after I pop over to the old place and get my stuff.
> >
> > -D
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[MBZ] Use for old walkers

A few years ago someone posted a clever use for old walkers.   Now a 
neighbor is throwing out a bunch of walkers, including the wheeled 
sit-down walkers and I can't remember what the use was.   Anyone remember?


I was thinking 2 walkers and a slab of 3/4" plywood could make a 
portable bench.  Or 2 walkers could replace sawhorses.


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Re: [MBZ] So beyond OT: EOT


Interesting.

Herculaneum is quite interesting.   Better than Pompeii to see.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
January 23, 2020 at 2:04 PM
Extremely off topic but nonetheless fascinating. Also macabre and
potentially upsetting for those with a delicate constitution.

ITALYMount Vesuvius blast turned ancient victim's brain to glassPublished:
Thursday, January 23, 2020

The eruption of Mount Vesuvius turned an incinerated victim's brain
material into glass, the first time scientists have verified the 
phenomenon

from a volcanic blast, officials at the Herculaneum archaeology site said
today.

Archaeologists rarely recover human brain tissue, and when they do it is
normally smooth and soapy in consistency, according to an article 
detailing

the discovery in *The New England Journal of Medicine*. The eruption of
Vesuvius in the year 79 instantly killed the inhabitants of Pompeii and
neighboring Herculaneum, burying an area 12 miles from the volcano in ash
in just a few hours.
...


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Re: [MBZ] ML Window Regulator Replacement


This is a riveting story!

--FT

On 1/23/20 3:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

The beater ML500 driver’s window regulator puked a few weeks ago. I have tired 
of wrestling the window glass when I need to lower and raise it, so I popped 
for a new regulator from the stealership, which was cheap and in stock, a real 
“tell” that they sell a lot of these. They’re not prone to stocking parts for a 
chassis that’s 10+ years old, so when they have the part in stock I know they 
must commonly fail.

Anyway, five minutes to remove the inner door panel if that. Another 2-3 to 
drill out the rivets. Pop the motor connector and the remains of the old 
regulator come out - someone in the past attempted to repair it with some scrap 
metal and JB Weld, amazing that it held up. The break made it even easier to 
remove the carcass of the old regulator.

New regulator in, rivets in place, now I have to go over to the old homestead 
and get my monster rivet gun. Dang! I was hoping to do this in under 30 minutes.

Back in a bit after I pop over to the old place and get my stuff.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] s class 420 for sell, was said to be an over engineered vehicle for its time,


and don't forget the bulletproof glass!

Not that I'm into 140s but I would think maybe like $3k, it looks half 
nice, but since I ain't buying I'm bottom feeding anyway...


-_FT

On 1/23/20 3:04 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I would agree with Andrew somewhat. The S420 W140 was the “gas and go” version 
of the chassis, and one in good shape like this one appears to be probably a 
$3500 car.

I bought Little Tommy’s S420 with nearly 300k on the clock and it’s still 
around here with over 350k on it last time I heard. They’re pretty bulletproof, 
but not terribly economical.

-D





On Jan 23, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

CL crackhead

https://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/cto/d/conway-mercedes-benz-420-class-luxury/7059973168.html

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[MBZ] ML Window Regulator Replacement

The beater ML500 driver’s window regulator puked a few weeks ago. I have tired 
of wrestling the window glass when I need to lower and raise it, so I popped 
for a new regulator from the stealership, which was cheap and in stock, a real 
“tell” that they sell a lot of these. They’re not prone to stocking parts for a 
chassis that’s 10+ years old, so when they have the part in stock I know they 
must commonly fail.

Anyway, five minutes to remove the inner door panel if that. Another 2-3 to 
drill out the rivets. Pop the motor connector and the remains of the old 
regulator come out - someone in the past attempted to repair it with some scrap 
metal and JB Weld, amazing that it held up. The break made it even easier to 
remove the carcass of the old regulator.

New regulator in, rivets in place, now I have to go over to the old homestead 
and get my monster rivet gun. Dang! I was hoping to do this in under 30 minutes.

Back in a bit after I pop over to the old place and get my stuff.

-D
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[MBZ] So beyond OT: EOT

Extremely off topic but nonetheless fascinating.  Also macabre and
potentially upsetting for those with a delicate constitution.

ITALYMount Vesuvius blast turned ancient victim's brain to glassPublished:
Thursday, January 23, 2020

The eruption of Mount Vesuvius turned an incinerated victim's brain
material into glass, the first time scientists have verified the phenomenon
from a volcanic blast, officials at the Herculaneum archaeology site said
today.

Archaeologists rarely recover human brain tissue, and when they do it is
normally smooth and soapy in consistency, according to an article detailing
the discovery in *The New England Journal of Medicine*. The eruption of
Vesuvius in the year 79 instantly killed the inhabitants of Pompeii and
neighboring Herculaneum, burying an area 12 miles from the volcano in ash
in just a few hours.

The remains of a man lying on a wooden bed were discovered at Herculaneum,
closer to Vesuvius than Pompeii, in the 1960s. He is believed to have been
the custodian of a place of worship, the Collegium Augustalium.

A team led by Pier Paolo Petrone, a forensic anthropologist at the
University of Naples Federico II, determined that the victim's brain matter
had been vitrified, a process by which tissue is burned at a high heat and
turned into glass, according to the study. The fragments presented as
shards of shiny black material spotted within remnants of the victim's
skull.

A study of the charred wood nearby indicates a maximum temperature of 968
degrees Fahrenheit.

"This suggests that extreme radiant heat was able to ignite body fat and
vaporize soft tissue," the study said.

The resulting solidified spongy mass found in the victim's chest bones is
also unique among other archaeological sites and can be compared with
victims of more recent historic events like the firebombing of Dresden and
Hamburg in World War II, the article said.

The flash of extreme heat was followed by a rapid drop in temperatures,
which vitrified the brain material, the authors said.

"This is the first time ever that vitrified human brain remains have been
discovered resulting from heat produced by an eruption," Herculaneum
officials said. *— Associated Press*
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap -- UPDATE


https://www.live5news.com/2020/01/23/coroner-identifies-uber-passenger-killed-by-driver-following-altercation-johns-island/

On 1/23/20 7:31 AM, Buggered Benzmail wrote:

Might need some cleanup

Ride-share driver fatally shot passenger after 'altercation,' 
Charleston police say

https://www.postandcourier.com/news/ride-share-driver-fatally-shot-passenger-after-altercation-charleston-police/article_fe85ce6a-3d14-11ea-814d-abcf626a6fa4.html

--FT
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Re: [MBZ] s class 420 for sell, was said to be an over engineered vehicle for its time,

I would agree with Andrew somewhat. The S420 W140 was the “gas and go” version 
of the chassis, and one in good shape like this one appears to be probably a 
$3500 car.

I bought Little Tommy’s S420 with nearly 300k on the clock and it’s still 
around here with over 350k on it last time I heard. They’re pretty bulletproof, 
but not terribly economical.

-D

> On Jan 23, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> CL crackhead
> 
> https://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/cto/d/conway-mercedes-benz-420-class-luxury/7059973168.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hybrids vs. EVs - emissions comparison

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 12:10:54 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I just heard that somebody put some 700+ HP crypsler engine into an IH 
> Scout.    Nuts!

They did indeed. They called it the "Hell Scout". Travelcenters of America
(one of the big truck stop chains) had a contest to give it to someone
recently.

I have the issues of the T/A magazine which featured it, but I don't have
time right now to take pictures of them.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hybrids vs. EVs - emissions comparison

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 18:52:43 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Angie's '05 Golf has done a paltry 50mpg, the pump deuse engines just
> don't make the economy of the others.

"pump deuse engines" ?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hybrids vs. EVs - emissions comparison

Perhaps, if you assume the diesel accumulates 1 million miles over 50 years.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 2:09 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Someone posted an article here last year that stated that a current MB
> Diesel had less emissions over it's life than an all electric car, a
> hybrid, or whatever.
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 12:08 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I suspect a 400,000 mile Mercedes Diesel beats them all handily.   Or
> > even a 250k mile 240D probably would beat them.
> >
> > > Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> > > January 23, 2020 at 11:48 AM
> > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > So where do lithium free high MPG cars fit in?
> > > I would assume that if you could sell it today, a Sprint/Firefly/Metro
> > > with 3cyl/5sp would handily beat a Prius. (hey Randy, if you see a
> > > rust free Firefly, I'd like to make a mid engine 50mpg hot rod out of
> it)
> > >
> > > A Mercedes 250 diesel rivals or beats the Prius in anything but pure
> > > stoplight to stoplight driving, but the price tag is probably an
> > > indication of high energy in manufacture.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] s class 420 for sell, was said to be an over engineered vehicle for its time,

What do you think it's worth?  $3800 seems like a bargain to me, if there
are no major issues.

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> CL crackhead
>
>
> https://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/cto/d/conway-mercedes-benz-420-class-luxury/7059973168.html
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Re: [MBZ] Evil not Knievel

Wasn't this car equipped with an airbag(s)?

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wrote:

> My thought's exactly - we have another Darwin award winner!
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:58 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > "They do it in the movies"Famous (last) words from a Darwin winner.
> >
> > > Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> > > January 23, 2020 at 11:19 AM
> > > And that's not the Snake River Canyon.
> > >
> > > California man dies after hurtling 400 feet across river in his
> > > Mercedes after 100 mph police chase
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fresno-california-man-dies-hurtling-400-feet-across-river-in-his-mercedes-after-high-speed-police-chase/
> > >
> > >
> > > Investigators estimate he was traveling at over 100 mph and did not
> > > try to stop before his silver Mercedes sedan launched over the river.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap

Heart attack.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 1:54 PM Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Apparently you missed the post where it was still being investigated. On
> the news they'd be telling you everything about cabs while insisting that
> information would be forthcoming "real soon".
>
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 1:21:11 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>
> Nobody has answered my question.  What played out?
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 1:18 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I've told this story before, I drove a cab in college, fellow cabby told
> me
> > this.  Details getting foggy, but here's the rough story.  Fellow driving
> > for a different company, same town, had two unrelated passengers in his
> > cab, a man and a woman.  Man starts harassing the woman, IIRC he was not
> > touching her but was very insistent that she submit to his charms.
> Despite
> > request from both woman and driver to lay off, man continues.  Driver
> stops
> > cab, brandishes pistol and tells the man to get out.  Man gets out, calls
> > cops, and cabby gets arrested in the Peoples Republic of Madison WI.
> >
> > A simple enough weapon was a couple athletic socks around a few rolls of
> > coins.  Perfectly legal to have coins, what if I need to make change?
> > Swing that correctly, connect with head or neck of the perpetrator, they
> > will probably decide to release the strangle hold.
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 12:56 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > > > So I guess the passenger was carrying some sort of weapon?
> > > >
> > > > I am skeptical given the vetting process for Lyft and Uber drivers...
> > > >
> > >
> > > All Uber and Lyft drivers (and riders) are contractually prevented from
> > > bearing
> > > arms. All sane Uber, Lyft, and taxi drivers are armed anyway.
> > >
> > > Mitch.
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[MBZ] s class 420 for sell, was said to be an over engineered vehicle for its time,


CL crackhead

https://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/cto/d/conway-mercedes-benz-420-class-luxury/7059973168.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hybrids vs. EVs - emissions comparison

Someone posted an article here last year that stated that a current MB
Diesel had less emissions over it's life than an all electric car, a
hybrid, or whatever.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 12:08 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I suspect a 400,000 mile Mercedes Diesel beats them all handily.   Or
> even a 250k mile 240D probably would beat them.
>
> > Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> > January 23, 2020 at 11:48 AM
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >
> > So where do lithium free high MPG cars fit in?
> > I would assume that if you could sell it today, a Sprint/Firefly/Metro
> > with 3cyl/5sp would handily beat a Prius. (hey Randy, if you see a
> > rust free Firefly, I'd like to make a mid engine 50mpg hot rod out of it)
> >
> > A Mercedes 250 diesel rivals or beats the Prius in anything but pure
> > stoplight to stoplight driving, but the price tag is probably an
> > indication of high energy in manufacture.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hybrids vs. EVs - emissions comparison


On 23/01/2020 11:48 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

A new study finds that hybrids like the Toyota Prius Prime (pictured) 
have

lower cradle-to-grave emissions than electric vehicles Wikimedia
Commons/Mariordo


So where do lithium free high MPG cars fit in?
I would assume that if you could sell it today, a Sprint/Firefly/Metro 
with 3cyl/5sp would handily beat a Prius. (hey Randy, if you see a 
rust free Firefly, I'd like to make a mid engine 50mpg hot rod out of it)


A Mercedes 250 diesel rivals or beats the Prius in anything but pure 
stoplight to stoplight driving, but the price tag is probably an 
indication of high energy in manufacture.


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correctly, they set the engine back and removed the front seats and the 
driver sat on the rear seat. I don't think it had a firewall.


Purely a toy they played with. It was junk.

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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300

Nice!  Maybe a good driver to upgrade the Daughter Unit?
-
Max
Charleston SC


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> This car is pretty nice but I hate the white beige but whatever. Needs an
> interior cleaning but really not bad, upholstery good.  Good tires. 184k
> mi. A few little rusty ding spots on the paint On edges but easy enough to
> deal with, or not l.  I put the OBD reader on it the only code was Glow
> plug circuit A which probably means the GPs aren’t heating to start the
> car. H.
>
> Young guy selling it has a shop, needed a starter apparently which he put
> on. Spins but won’t fire. He thinks it’s the fuel pump or injection pump or
> something as he said it wasn’t getting fuel in any injectors.  Could just
> be GPS.  Worse deal I pull off the bits from the wrecked car.
>
> Something about being sent over from a transmission shop for the starter.
> Who knows, no codes for any trans issues, maybe whoever just left it there.
> But he got the title and a few dineros and a new battery in it so I guess
> it’s reasonable. He doesn’t have time to fool with it.
>
> $500 I’m picking it up tomorrow.
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Jan 22, 2020, at 7:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail <
> buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > It’s up in the Creek. Gonna go look at it tomorrow
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iPhone
> >
> >> On Jan 22, 2020, at 6:38 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> That does look like it's worth checking it out.  May even be the K40
> relay,
> >> which causes a no-start condition, fairly common problem.  I think the
> >> failure mode is engine cranks but IP is held in OFF so no fuel, no
> start.
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 4:54 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> H I’ve got the smashed $500E300...  do some swap. don’t like white
> >>> much but it looks half nice.   $500 would be more like it...
> >>>
> >>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/172589444114706/
> >>>
> >>> 1200$
> >>> Needs injection pump or pump rebuild
> >>> Ran and drove perfect
> >>> Drivetrain good for 1million miles diesel
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Free to good home

 I had to go back and check my post, I can see the disconnect.
I traded the '91 for the parts. The '84 got sold for $200. Sadly I don't 
remember what happened to the $200. I still have both the BMW jack and the lug 
wrench although I'm actually thinking it might have been from the BMW. Its 
shaped like a crank.

-Curt

On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 2:02:07 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 16:56:28 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

[edited]

    I traded that 1984 Tempo 2.3l 4spd manual for a BMW jack,
    an MB lug wrench and a handful of misc parts for my '81 300TD.
    I thought it was a good deal.


One for the quotes page!


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Re: [MBZ] Free to good home

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 16:56:28 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

[edited]

 I traded that 1984 Tempo 2.3l 4spd manual for a BMW jack,
 an MB lug wrench and a handful of misc parts for my '81 300TD.
 I thought it was a good deal.


One for the quotes page!


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Re: [MBZ] Evil not Knievel

My thought's exactly - we have another Darwin award winner!

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>
> > Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> > January 23, 2020 at 11:19 AM
> > And that's not the Snake River Canyon.
> >
> > California man dies after hurtling 400 feet across river in his
> > Mercedes after 100 mph police chase
> >
> >
> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fresno-california-man-dies-hurtling-400-feet-across-river-in-his-mercedes-after-high-speed-police-chase/
> >
> >
> > Investigators estimate he was traveling at over 100 mph and did not
> > try to stop before his silver Mercedes sedan launched over the river.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hybrids vs. EVs - emissions comparison

 For mileage? Unlikely. The best I ever saw from a 240D was 32mpg. Average over 
150,000 miles of driving 240Ds for me was more like 28mpg.
My '98 Jetta maxed at 56mpg, I think I've had the '15 up to 58 or so. In all 
cases thats never going over 65mph, sometimes not going over 55.
Angie's '05 Golf has done a paltry 50mpg, the pump deuse engines just don't 
make the economy of the others.
Any of those VWs will accelerate faster than a 240D, which is understating how 
much faster they are. They'll out handle a 240D and start way better in the 
cold than any 61x engine. The 2015 especially is amazing in the cold.
240D is a lovely car in a lot of respects but not from a fuel economy 
perspective its outclassed by basically any sedan its size or smaller made in 
the last 15 years.
-Curt

On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 1:08:38 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I suspect a 400,000 mile Mercedes Diesel beats them all handily.   Or 
even a 250k mile 240D probably would beat them.

> Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> January 23, 2020 at 11:48 AM
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>
> So where do lithium free high MPG cars fit in?
> I would assume that if you could sell it today, a Sprint/Firefly/Metro 
> with 3cyl/5sp would handily beat a Prius. (hey Randy, if you see a 
> rust free Firefly, I'd like to make a mid engine 50mpg hot rod out of it)
>
> A Mercedes 250 diesel rivals or beats the Prius in anything but pure 
> stoplight to stoplight driving, but the price tag is probably an 
> indication of high energy in manufacture.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hybrids vs. EVs - emissions comparison


Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
My mechanic brother-in-law worked at a shop that created an early 
Hyundai Pony into a hot rod with a 455 Olds engine. If I recall 
correctly, they set the engine back and removed the front seats and the 
driver sat on the rear seat. I don't think it had a firewall.


Purely a toy they played with. It was junk.



In the 1970s-Early 1980s, it was semi common to see a 2 seater Vega Kammback 
with a Toronado 455 drivetrain in place of the back seat. I heard they were 
junk, but went really fast in a straight line.


I found this on BAT, with I assume awful weight distribution, like a SWB pickup 
with a big block engine.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1987-pontiac-firefly/

My dream Firefly is more like a R5 Turbo, but with a modern engine, sub 2000lb 
weight, and 50mpg. GM did wonders with light weight and efficiency when they 
designed the LE2 engine and 6T35 transaxle. I'd basically shove a 2016-2019 
Cruze cradle and drivetrain into the back of the Firefly and put bigger 
brakes/hubs in the front of the car.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-renault-r5-turbo-2-3/

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Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap

 Apparently you missed the post where it was still being investigated. On the 
news they'd be telling you everything about cabs while insisting that 
information would be forthcoming "real soon".
-Curt

On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 1:21:11 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 Nobody has answered my question.  What played out?

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 1:18 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I've told this story before, I drove a cab in college, fellow cabby told me
> this.  Details getting foggy, but here's the rough story.  Fellow driving
> for a different company, same town, had two unrelated passengers in his
> cab, a man and a woman.  Man starts harassing the woman, IIRC he was not
> touching her but was very insistent that she submit to his charms.  Despite
> request from both woman and driver to lay off, man continues.  Driver stops
> cab, brandishes pistol and tells the man to get out.  Man gets out, calls
> cops, and cabby gets arrested in the Peoples Republic of Madison WI.
>
> A simple enough weapon was a couple athletic socks around a few rolls of
> coins.  Perfectly legal to have coins, what if I need to make change?
> Swing that correctly, connect with head or neck of the perpetrator, they
> will probably decide to release the strangle hold.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 12:56 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > > So I guess the passenger was carrying some sort of weapon?
> > >
> > > I am skeptical given the vetting process for Lyft and Uber drivers...
> > >
> >
> > All Uber and Lyft drivers (and riders) are contractually prevented from
> > bearing
> > arms. All sane Uber, Lyft, and taxi drivers are armed anyway.
> >
> > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap

Cops came, dead guy in back seat, back window open, no arrests, the deceased 
was hauled off. Case still under investigation. No further deets. 

--FT
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> On Jan 23, 2020, at 1:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nobody has answered my question.  What played out?
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 1:18 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I've told this story before, I drove a cab in college, fellow cabby told me
>> this.  Details getting foggy, but here's the rough story.  Fellow driving
>> for a different company, same town, had two unrelated passengers in his
>> cab, a man and a woman.  Man starts harassing the woman, IIRC he was not
>> touching her but was very insistent that she submit to his charms.  Despite
>> request from both woman and driver to lay off, man continues.  Driver stops
>> cab, brandishes pistol and tells the man to get out.  Man gets out, calls
>> cops, and cabby gets arrested in the Peoples Republic of Madison WI.
>> 
>> A simple enough weapon was a couple athletic socks around a few rolls of
>> coins.  Perfectly legal to have coins, what if I need to make change?
>> Swing that correctly, connect with head or neck of the perpetrator, they
>> will probably decide to release the strangle hold.
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 12:56 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 So I guess the passenger was carrying some sort of weapon?
 
 I am skeptical given the vetting process for Lyft and Uber drivers...
 
>>> 
>>> All Uber and Lyft drivers (and riders) are contractually prevented from
>>> bearing
>>> arms. All sane Uber, Lyft, and taxi drivers are armed anyway.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300

Yeah either one maybe. The daughter unit 124 is ok but needing this and that. 
While I’d like a diesel that color combo makes me gag for some reason. Either 
flip it to her for the 124 or sell it. I like the silver E320 gasser, it does 
ok on petrol, about what the diesel did and is quite peppy.  Everything works, 
its a pretty nice car.  I’m going to check out that old dead man 211 05 E500, 
the woman seems anxious to unload it, if that is nice I might unload the 210 
E320 then. Creep up into newer cars although they are getting more complex.. .

I’m thinking this might be something simple on the E300 as I doubt an injection 
pump would go bad. I need to learn what that GP issue is about — a relay maybe? 
 Didn’t look at that on the first $500E300 as it just has 2 bad GPs.  If the 
GPs aren’t heating it’s not gonna light off easily.   Or maybe a fuel pump or 
relay?  Both of those would be simple enough to swap from the crashed E300. 

Any ideas let me know. 

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> Max says:
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>> Nice!  Maybe a good driver to upgrade the Daughter Unit?
> 
> I was thinking a flip to me actually. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Free to good home

Well i found a Simca,owners group on FB this morning.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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> Are there any on the road today?  Even 40 years ago they were scarce...
>
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> >
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> > '54 station wagon.
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Re: [MBZ] Free to good home

Are there any on the road today?  Even 40 years ago they were scarce...

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>
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> '54 station wagon.
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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300

2020-01-23 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Max says:

>Nice!  Maybe a good driver to upgrade the Daughter Unit?

I was thinking a flip to me actually. 

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] Free to good home

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 09:59:14 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
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> Wow!  I have not thought of or heard of Simca for a long time!

My dad bought a Simca in the mid-to-late 50s. He traded it in on a
1960 Ford Falcon, so our family had two Fords, the '60 Falcon and a
'54 station wagon.


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Re: [MBZ] BatteryMINDer 12117TC on sale today

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 06:54:52 -0500 Mitch Haley via Mercedes
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> Looks like the price went down a dollar.

You are right, it did!

I saw some decrease before the day I sent the original email about this,
but I figured the ending of their sale meant the price would go up.

I was wrong, so if someone delayed, the price is now $18.99.

Whether or how much it might go down from now I cannot say ...

Craig

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> > Charger/Desulfator on sale today for $19.99, which is $40.00 off.
> > 
> > https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200332201_200332201

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Re: [MBZ] This is Nice

Not a big problem if everything is as it appears and the drive train is
good.

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> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > If you like W116 chassis’ cars:
> >
> >
> https://orlando.craigslist.org/ctd/d/clearwater-1973-mercedes-450sel-73k/7050692653.html
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> Horsehair is dead.
> Seller has artfully avoided showing pics of driver's seat leather.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap

Nobody has answered my question.  What played out?

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> I've told this story before, I drove a cab in college, fellow cabby told me
> this.  Details getting foggy, but here's the rough story.  Fellow driving
> for a different company, same town, had two unrelated passengers in his
> cab, a man and a woman.  Man starts harassing the woman, IIRC he was not
> touching her but was very insistent that she submit to his charms.  Despite
> request from both woman and driver to lay off, man continues.  Driver stops
> cab, brandishes pistol and tells the man to get out.  Man gets out, calls
> cops, and cabby gets arrested in the Peoples Republic of Madison WI.
>
> A simple enough weapon was a couple athletic socks around a few rolls of
> coins.  Perfectly legal to have coins, what if I need to make change?
> Swing that correctly, connect with head or neck of the perpetrator, they
> will probably decide to release the strangle hold.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 12:56 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > > So I guess the passenger was carrying some sort of weapon?
> > >
> > > I am skeptical given the vetting process for Lyft and Uber drivers...
> > >
> >
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> > bearing
> > arms. All sane Uber, Lyft, and taxi drivers are armed anyway.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] $500 Wagon Update, CE light is on now

Well the intermittent no-start is no longer intermittent, it is full time.
Fortunately I've got three other diesel 124s that run just fine, so shift
to the easiest to get out of the drive and motor on.  I'll put the code
reader on it tonight and see if I can pull anything.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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> Mine have always been intermittent failures, which is why I suspect they
> didn’t throw codes. When I looked at the errors in SDS later on I could see
> the failures, but I assume they have to be permanent faults to trigger the
> CEL.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Jan 22, 2020, at 7:49 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > My w211 E320 threw,a code.
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 7:29 PM Craig via Mercedes 
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> >> On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 09:52:11 -0500 dan--- via Mercedes
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> >>
> >>> Of all the CPS failures I’ve seen, only one threw a CEL.
> >>
> >> I know CEL is Check Engine Light. What is CPS?
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap

I've told this story before, I drove a cab in college, fellow cabby told me
this.  Details getting foggy, but here's the rough story.  Fellow driving
for a different company, same town, had two unrelated passengers in his
cab, a man and a woman.  Man starts harassing the woman, IIRC he was not
touching her but was very insistent that she submit to his charms.  Despite
request from both woman and driver to lay off, man continues.  Driver stops
cab, brandishes pistol and tells the man to get out.  Man gets out, calls
cops, and cabby gets arrested in the Peoples Republic of Madison WI.

A simple enough weapon was a couple athletic socks around a few rolls of
coins.  Perfectly legal to have coins, what if I need to make change?
Swing that correctly, connect with head or neck of the perpetrator, they
will probably decide to release the strangle hold.

-
Max
Charleston SC

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> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > So I guess the passenger was carrying some sort of weapon?
> >
> > I am skeptical given the vetting process for Lyft and Uber drivers...
> >
>
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> bearing
> arms. All sane Uber, Lyft, and taxi drivers are armed anyway.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300


Rest easy, Kaleb.   Your lead is quite secure.


Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
January 23, 2020 at 11:37 AM
Dang. How many cars do you have now? You are getting out of control.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hybrids vs. EVs - emissions comparison

I just heard that somebody put some 700+ HP crypsler engine into an IH 
Scout.    Nuts!



Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
January 23, 2020 at 12:06 PM


My mechanic brother-in-law worked at a shop that created an early 
Hyundai Pony into a hot rod with a 455 Olds engine. If I recall 
correctly, they set the engine back and removed the front seats and 
the driver sat on the rear seat. I don't think it had a firewall.


Purely a toy they played with. It was junk.

RB



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hybrids vs. EVs - emissions comparison

I suspect a 400,000 mile Mercedes Diesel beats them all handily.   Or 
even a 250k mile 240D probably would beat them.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
January 23, 2020 at 11:48 AM
Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:


So where do lithium free high MPG cars fit in?
I would assume that if you could sell it today, a Sprint/Firefly/Metro 
with 3cyl/5sp would handily beat a Prius. (hey Randy, if you see a 
rust free Firefly, I'd like to make a mid engine 50mpg hot rod out of it)


A Mercedes 250 diesel rivals or beats the Prius in anything but pure 
stoplight to stoplight driving, but the price tag is probably an 
indication of high energy in manufacture.


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Re: [MBZ] Free to good home

the mazda Diesel frod used was a knock off of the VW engine.  Only major 
difference: mazda reversed the IP and ran it on a separate belt off the 
back of the belt driven camshaft.   They were better than the BMW.  The 
early frods had a recall for a head gasket.   I did the headgasket 
myself at over 100k. At that point, the cylinders looked like new, and 
the head was perfectly flat.   The body rusted away but the engine was 
still good. I'd say they were as good as a vw Diesel of the era.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
January 23, 2020 at 11:40 AM


The 2.3L Mustang/Tempo engine was directly descended from the 2300 
Pinto engine.
The 2.0L Escort/Tempo diesel was a Mazda with a belt drive injection 
pump and an aluminum head. Reliable like a BMW aluminum head diesel, 
not like an OM601/602/603.


Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] Potential Kleb Car

I should forget wagons and get this for towing my boat.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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> Probably bum linkage bushings.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300

2020-01-23 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Kaleb says:

>Dang. How many cars do you have now? You are getting out of control.


Pot. Kettle. Black. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Evil not Knievel


"They do it in the movies"    Famous (last) words from a Darwin winner.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
January 23, 2020 at 11:19 AM
And that's not the Snake River Canyon.

California man dies after hurtling 400 feet across river in his 
Mercedes after 100 mph police chase


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fresno-california-man-dies-hurtling-400-feet-across-river-in-his-mercedes-after-high-speed-police-chase/ 



Investigators estimate he was traveling at over 100 mph and did not 
try to stop before his silver Mercedes sedan launched over the river.




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Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

So I guess the passenger was carrying some sort of weapon?

I am skeptical given the vetting process for Lyft and Uber drivers...



All Uber and Lyft drivers (and riders) are contractually prevented from bearing 
arms. All sane Uber, Lyft, and taxi drivers are armed anyway.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Evil not Knievel

2020-01-23 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

Another fool who thought that what he saw in movies was real?
Sounds like he cleared the river OK.  Too bad he didn't realize
that there is more to it than that.

Yes, the only tragedy is that he ruined a nice car.  And several
good peoples' day.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hybrids vs. EVs - emissions comparison


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:


A new study finds that hybrids like the Toyota Prius Prime (pictured) have
lower cradle-to-grave emissions than electric vehicles Wikimedia
Commons/Mariordo


So where do lithium free high MPG cars fit in?
I would assume that if you could sell it today, a Sprint/Firefly/Metro with 
3cyl/5sp would handily beat a Prius. (hey Randy, if you see a rust free Firefly, 
I'd like to make a mid engine 50mpg hot rod out of it)


A Mercedes 250 diesel rivals or beats the Prius in anything but pure stoplight 
to stoplight driving, but the price tag is probably an indication of high energy 
in manufacture.


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Re: [MBZ] Evil not Knievel


Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

 I suspect the author of that notation doesn't really know what tragedy means.
-Curt


Usually "absolute tragedy" = "I don't know how to spell 'atrocity'".
Don't ask me why it was used in this instance.

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Re: [MBZ] Free to good home


Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

 1984 Tempo 2.3l 4spd manual was my first car. Dad replaced it with a '91 Tempo 
3spd automatic, I don't remember what engine was in it but that car was crap 
and it hated me. He gave that car to Angie, it still hated me.
The 2.3l 4spd was a good combo in the older car, had enough grunt to be fairly driveable. IIRC the engine was from Mazda so it was reasonably skookum for a 1980's 4 banger. 


The 2.3L Mustang/Tempo engine was directly descended from the 2300 Pinto engine.
The 2.0L Escort/Tempo diesel was a Mazda with a belt drive injection pump and an 
aluminum head. Reliable like a BMW aluminum head diesel, not like an OM601/602/603.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300

2020-01-23 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

Dang. How many cars do you have now? You are getting out of control. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 23, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This car is pretty nice but I hate the white beige but whatever. Needs an 
> interior cleaning but really not bad, upholstery good.  Good tires. 184k mi. 
> A few little rusty ding spots on the paint On edges but easy enough to deal 
> with, or not l.  I put the OBD reader on it the only code was Glow plug 
> circuit A which probably means the GPs aren’t heating to start the car. 
> H. 
> 
> Young guy selling it has a shop, needed a starter apparently which he put on. 
> Spins but won’t fire. He thinks it’s the fuel pump or injection pump or 
> something as he said it wasn’t getting fuel in any injectors.  Could just be 
> GPS.  Worse deal I pull off the bits from the wrecked car.  
> 
> Something about being sent over from a transmission shop for the starter. Who 
> knows, no codes for any trans issues, maybe whoever just left it there. But 
> he got the title and a few dineros and a new battery in it so I guess it’s 
> reasonable. He doesn’t have time to fool with it. 
> 
> $500 I’m picking it up tomorrow. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 7:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> It’s up in the Creek. Gonna go look at it tomorrow 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 22, 2020, at 6:38 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That does look like it's worth checking it out.  May even be the K40 relay,
>>> which causes a no-start condition, fairly common problem.  I think the
>>> failure mode is engine cranks but IP is held in OFF so no fuel, no start.
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 4:54 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 H I’ve got the smashed $500E300...  do some swap. don’t like white
 much but it looks half nice.   $500 would be more like it...
 
 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/172589444114706/
 
 1200$
 Needs injection pump or pump rebuild
 Ran and drove perfect
 Drivetrain good for 1million miles diesel
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Evil not Knievel

 I suspect the author of that notation doesn't really know what tragedy means.
-Curt

On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 12:28:02 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 So, is the reason that it is "an absolute tragedy" because he ruined a 
nice Mercedes?

RB

On 23/01/2020 11:19 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> And that's not the Snake River Canyon.
>
> California man dies after hurtling 400 feet across river in his 
> Mercedes after 100 mph police chase
>
> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fresno-california-man-dies-hurtling-400-feet-across-river-in-his-mercedes-after-high-speed-police-chase/
>  
>
>
> Investigators estimate he was traveling at over 100 mph and did not 
> try to stop before his silver Mercedes sedan launched over the river.
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Re: [MBZ] This is Nice


Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

If you like W116 chassis’ cars:

https://orlando.craigslist.org/ctd/d/clearwater-1973-mercedes-450sel-73k/7050692653.html


Horsehair is dead.
Seller has artfully avoided showing pics of driver's seat leather.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap

Apparently the rear window was either down or blown out. Driver (Uber or lyft 
looks like) might have gotten out and popped the passenger. 

TV people were Over here trying to get details, cops aren’t talking but no 
arrest of the driver. Probably some crackhead. 

--FT
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> On Jan 23, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That wasn't my question.  How does the driver shoot someone in the back
> seat?
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:31 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Easy.  Criminal in back seat brandishes a weapon and demands some property
>> which belongs to the driver.  Any action the driver takes can be justified
>> as self defense.  If the criminal actually uses force, the driver's
>> response is also self defense.  For instance, criminal puts a knife to
>> driver's neck and asks for money.  Now you have capability (knife) and
>> intent (ask for $) and opportunity (close physical proximity).
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:20 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Self defense?  How would this have played out with the passenger in the
>>> back seat?
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:37 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 The victim, identified in the report as a 51-year-old man, was found
 unresponsive in the car’s back seat, the report said. He suffered
>>> apparent
 gunshot wounds and was declared dead at the scene.
 
 Police have not determined whether the killing was an act of self
>> defense
 or
 which ride-share service employed the driver. (but they've apparently
 determined
 that the guy who apparently attacked the driver is a "victim")
 
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Re: [MBZ] Evil not Knievel

2020-01-23 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

He was "Flying on Drugs" ?

He was practicing for his new job as a "Crash Test Dummy"?

To harsh and to soon?  Sarcasm it's my personal burden Sympathy...
not so much.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 10:20 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> And that's not the Snake River Canyon.
>
> California man dies after hurtling 400 feet across river in his Mercedes
> after
> 100 mph police chase
>
>
> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fresno-california-man-dies-hurtling-400-feet-across-river-in-his-mercedes-after-high-speed-police-chase/
>
> Investigators estimate he was traveling at over 100 mph and did not try to
> stop
> before his silver Mercedes sedan launched over the river.
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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300

This car is pretty nice but I hate the white beige but whatever. Needs an 
interior cleaning but really not bad, upholstery good.  Good tires. 184k mi. A 
few little rusty ding spots on the paint On edges but easy enough to deal with, 
or not l.  I put the OBD reader on it the only code was Glow plug circuit A 
which probably means the GPs aren’t heating to start the car. H. 

Young guy selling it has a shop, needed a starter apparently which he put on. 
Spins but won’t fire. He thinks it’s the fuel pump or injection pump or 
something as he said it wasn’t getting fuel in any injectors.  Could just be 
GPS.  Worse deal I pull off the bits from the wrecked car.  

Something about being sent over from a transmission shop for the starter. Who 
knows, no codes for any trans issues, maybe whoever just left it there. But he 
got the title and a few dineros and a new battery in it so I guess it’s 
reasonable. He doesn’t have time to fool with it. 

$500 I’m picking it up tomorrow. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Jan 22, 2020, at 7:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail  
> wrote:
> 
> It’s up in the Creek. Gonna go look at it tomorrow 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 6:38 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> That does look like it's worth checking it out.  May even be the K40 relay,
>> which causes a no-start condition, fairly common problem.  I think the
>> failure mode is engine cranks but IP is held in OFF so no fuel, no start.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 4:54 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> H I’ve got the smashed $500E300...  do some swap. don’t like white
>>> much but it looks half nice.   $500 would be more like it...
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/172589444114706/
>>> 
>>> 1200$
>>> Needs injection pump or pump rebuild
>>> Ran and drove perfect
>>> Drivetrain good for 1million miles diesel
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Evil not Knievel

So, is the reason that it is "an absolute tragedy" because he ruined a 
nice Mercedes?


RB

On 23/01/2020 11:19 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

And that's not the Snake River Canyon.

California man dies after hurtling 400 feet across river in his 
Mercedes after 100 mph police chase


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fresno-california-man-dies-hurtling-400-feet-across-river-in-his-mercedes-after-high-speed-police-chase/ 



Investigators estimate he was traveling at over 100 mph and did not 
try to stop before his silver Mercedes sedan launched over the river.


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[MBZ] Evil not Knievel


And that's not the Snake River Canyon.

California man dies after hurtling 400 feet across river in his Mercedes after 
100 mph police chase


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fresno-california-man-dies-hurtling-400-feet-across-river-in-his-mercedes-after-high-speed-police-chase/

Investigators estimate he was traveling at over 100 mph and did not try to stop 
before his silver Mercedes sedan launched over the river.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap

From the movies I've watched, the passenger can easily attempt to strangle
the driver - hence the need for the driver to be prepared to defend himself.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 10:55 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So I guess the passenger was carrying some sort of weapon?
>
> I am skeptical given the vetting process for Lyft and Uber drivers...
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:52 AM Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
>
> > Depends on which seat the passenger is in. If he's sitting behind the
> > driver you shoot right through the seat. Otherwise you'd have to lean
> > around, its awkward no matter what.
> > First 38 seconds... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33MV7fvdhxI
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 11:43:44 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via
> > Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> >
> > That wasn't my question.  How does the driver shoot someone in the back
> > seat?
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:31 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Easy.  Criminal in back seat brandishes a weapon and demands some
> > property
> > > which belongs to the driver.  Any action the driver takes can be
> > justified
> > > as self defense.  If the criminal actually uses force, the driver's
> > > response is also self defense.  For instance, criminal puts a knife to
> > > driver's neck and asks for money.  Now you have capability (knife) and
> > > intent (ask for $) and opportunity (close physical proximity).
> > > -
> > > Max
> > > Charleston SC
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:20 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Self defense?  How would this have played out with the passenger in
> the
> > > > back seat?
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:37 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The victim, identified in the report as a 51-year-old man, was
> found
> > > > > unresponsive in the car’s back seat, the report said. He suffered
> > > > apparent
> > > > > gunshot wounds and was declared dead at the scene.
> > > > >
> > > > > Police have not determined whether the killing was an act of self
> > > defense
> > > > > or
> > > > > which ride-share service employed the driver. (but they've
> apparently
> > > > > determined
> > > > > that the guy who apparently attacked the driver is a "victim")
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Re: [MBZ] Potential Kleb Car

Cheap flights into PIE from Tulsa. That or drive down over the weekend.

-D



> On Jan 23, 2020, at 12:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> Why does it have to be so far away?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 23, 2020, at 10:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Probably bum linkage bushings.
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/palm-harbor-1991-mercedes-benz-350sd/7048049603.html
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Free to good home

Good trade. Jack and the Beanstalk.
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


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>  1984 Tempo 2.3l 4spd manual was my first car. Dad replaced it with a '91
> Tempo 3spd automatic, I don't remember what engine was in it but that car
> was crap and it hated me. He gave that car to Angie, it still hated me.
> The 2.3l 4spd was a good combo in the older car, had enough grunt to be
> fairly driveable. IIRC the engine was from Mazda so it was reasonably
> skookum for a 1980's 4 banger. The electronic ignition modules in both
> Tempos we had were terrible. IIRC the '91 needed one every 70,000 miles or
> so. Fortunately it was relatively easy to change. I did it once in the
> parking lot of our apartment with a guy telling me "that'll never fix it".
> He shut his yap quick when the car started. I still have the tool required.
> I traded that car for a BMW jack, an MB lug wrench and a handful of misc
> parts for my '81 300TD. I thought it was a good deal.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 11:47:32 AM EST, Randy Bennell via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  On 23/01/2020 10:41 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > I don't suppose I'll need an '80s Ford Tempo manual ever again...
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> Good Lord, I hope not!
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] Potential Kleb Car

2020-01-23 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

Why does it have to be so far away?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 23, 2020, at 10:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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> 
> Probably bum linkage bushings.
> 
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] Free to good home

 1984 Tempo 2.3l 4spd manual was my first car. Dad replaced it with a '91 Tempo 
3spd automatic, I don't remember what engine was in it but that car was crap 
and it hated me. He gave that car to Angie, it still hated me.
The 2.3l 4spd was a good combo in the older car, had enough grunt to be fairly 
driveable. IIRC the engine was from Mazda so it was reasonably skookum for a 
1980's 4 banger. The electronic ignition modules in both Tempos we had were 
terrible. IIRC the '91 needed one every 70,000 miles or so. Fortunately it was 
relatively easy to change. I did it once in the parking lot of our apartment 
with a guy telling me "that'll never fix it". He shut his yap quick when the 
car started. I still have the tool required.
I traded that car for a BMW jack, an MB lug wrench and a handful of misc parts 
for my '81 300TD. I thought it was a good deal.

-Curt

On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 11:47:32 AM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  

 On 23/01/2020 10:41 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> I don't suppose I'll need an '80s Ford Tempo manual ever again...
>
> -Curt
>
Good Lord, I hope not!

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap

So I guess the passenger was carrying some sort of weapon?

I am skeptical given the vetting process for Lyft and Uber drivers...

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:52 AM Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Depends on which seat the passenger is in. If he's sitting behind the
> driver you shoot right through the seat. Otherwise you'd have to lean
> around, its awkward no matter what.
> First 38 seconds... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33MV7fvdhxI
>
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 11:43:44 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>
> That wasn't my question.  How does the driver shoot someone in the back
> seat?
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:31 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Easy.  Criminal in back seat brandishes a weapon and demands some
> property
> > which belongs to the driver.  Any action the driver takes can be
> justified
> > as self defense.  If the criminal actually uses force, the driver's
> > response is also self defense.  For instance, criminal puts a knife to
> > driver's neck and asks for money.  Now you have capability (knife) and
> > intent (ask for $) and opportunity (close physical proximity).
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:20 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Self defense?  How would this have played out with the passenger in the
> > > back seat?
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:37 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The victim, identified in the report as a 51-year-old man, was found
> > > > unresponsive in the car’s back seat, the report said. He suffered
> > > apparent
> > > > gunshot wounds and was declared dead at the scene.
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] Free to good home

LOL

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:47 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> On 23/01/2020 10:41 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > I don't suppose I'll need an '80s Ford Tempo manual ever again...
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> Good Lord, I hope not!
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap

 Depends on which seat the passenger is in. If he's sitting behind the driver 
you shoot right through the seat. Otherwise you'd have to lean around, its 
awkward no matter what.First 38 seconds... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33MV7fvdhxI
-Curt

On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 11:43:44 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 That wasn't my question.  How does the driver shoot someone in the back
seat?

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:31 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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> Easy.  Criminal in back seat brandishes a weapon and demands some property
> which belongs to the driver.  Any action the driver takes can be justified
> as self defense.  If the criminal actually uses force, the driver's
> response is also self defense.  For instance, criminal puts a knife to
> driver's neck and asks for money.  Now you have capability (knife) and
> intent (ask for $) and opportunity (close physical proximity).
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:20 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> > Self defense?  How would this have played out with the passenger in the
> > back seat?
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:37 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The victim, identified in the report as a 51-year-old man, was found
> > > unresponsive in the car’s back seat, the report said. He suffered
> > apparent
> > > gunshot wounds and was declared dead at the scene.
> > >
> > > Police have not determined whether the killing was an act of self
> defense
> > > or
> > > which ride-share service employed the driver. (but they've apparently
> > > determined
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Re: [MBZ] Free to good home


On 23/01/2020 10:41 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I don't suppose I'll need an '80s Ford Tempo manual ever again...

-Curt


Good Lord, I hope not!

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Re: [MBZ] Free to good home

You just moved up your retirement date  5 years.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:41 AM Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Hmm, I have a few Chiltons and Haynes hanging around. I don't suppose I'll
> need an '80s Ford Tempo manual ever again...
>
> I've got a couple MB manuals too, 123 w/mild water damage. I think I've
> got a 201 Chiltons too.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 11:25:29 AM EST, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>
> Thanks Andrew,
> I might do that. I don't see any Chilton's manuals on there.
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:16 AM Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
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> >  You should try to sell on ebay.
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=simca+%2B+%28catalog%2C+catalogue%29&_sacat=0_TitleDesc=0&_sop=16&_osacat=0&_odkw=simca+%2B+%28%2769%2C+1969%29
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:09 AM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Just as well. What do you get when you combine the French and Chrysler?
> >> (sorry) I found a Simca club on FB so I will donate it to them. I gave
> my
> >> leftover inventory a few years ago to the Society of Automotive
> Historians
> >> which included ads, manuals etc.
> >> I keep all MB literature.Might have an old land Rover manual here
> >> somewhere.
> >> Dwight
> >> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> >> Wickford RI
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:00 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Wow!  I have not thought of or heard of Simca for a long time!
> >> >
> >> > > Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
> >> > > January 23, 2020 at 9:34 AM
> >> > > Brand new Chilton's manual for Simca 1969 & earlier models. You
> DON'T
> >> > have
> >> > > to admit you have a Simca-I never did but used to deal in automotive
> >> > > literature and this s a residual. I wil even pay shipping.
> >> > > Send me private EM if interested.
> >> > >
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap