Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Pure political genius.  Mortgage the yet unborn.  They can't complain from
the womb and the current crop of politicians will be gone before they can
vote.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Clay via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 7:45 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Clay 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

There is one shipper in AK that retrofit their fleet with massive LNG tanks.
They shuttle between WA and AK, as well as head out to HI in these boats.
It is the Green thing to do.  I wonder if they could swap over to H fuel at
a later date.

Euro rail is electric.  Not a small enough area to allow USA to do that.
Take too much copper, and the miscreants would be constantly ripping the
wires out.  

I was reading up on the energy disaster in UK this morning.  Big huzzahs for
the increase in plug in cars, while much rending of tunic over the increase
in home heating and electric costs.  Many energy companies went into
receivership when cost to get fuel outpaced revenues and customers got
tossed into another provider with jacked up pricing.  Elected leadership is
pondering giving away more money as well as reducing tax on energy in an
attempt to lower the curve of inflationary costs.  I tried to reconcile the
mass increase in energy cost (electric) with forcing plug in cars and
inability to provide power when consumers reduce NG use and increase plug in
heaters to balance their bills


Clay

> On Jan 6, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:
> 
> Thorium reactors and upgrade (and hardening) of the US electric grid would
be an answer. However, they don't produce byproducts used in nuclear
weapons, so there is no interest.
> 
> The elephant in the room is this. A barrel of oil produces 40-46%
gasoline, 25-28% diesel fuel, 10-12% jet A, and miscellaneous other stuff,
asphalt, ship fuel, etc.  If you eliminate the internal combustion
automobile that operates on gasoline, but do NOT eliminate diesel powered
semi tractor trailers, farm tractors, combines, diesel electric
locomotives*, cargo container ships, asphalt roads, and other stuff I don't
care to mention, there will be a glut of gasoline byproduct that will need
to be disposed of. This occured early in the pandemic, when trucks were on
the road, and cars weren't. Refineries were facing shut downs because of
lack of gasoline storage, and diesel was facing shortages. Crude oil was
negative for a while, because there was a lack of storage.
> 
> No one thinks this stuff through. Decisions and actions have consequences.
Electric cars make little sense for the majority. In urban areas, where
travel is limited to a few miles each way, sure. Visitors from other
countries are amazed at the wide open spaces in the heartland and out west.
In rural America they make no sense.
> 
> So unless you eliminate a good deal of the population, and colonize the
remainder of folks into urban areas, mass electrification of personal
transportation is __ (fill in the blank).
> 
> *Locomotives are a diesel electric hybrid.
> 
> 
> Rick

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

It isn't a fixed ratio.  After initial fractional distillation, the heavier 
distillates can be converted (commonly by hydrocracking) to produce more of the 
lighter distillates.  The process needs to be adjusted for the various types of 
incoming crude (e.g. light, heavy, sweet, sour).
-Original Message-

From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 4:13 PM

That breakdown of a barrel of oil is interesting. So how did we arrive at that 
perfect balance of what oil provides and what we do with it? Did we develop 
technology to use the oil products available, or did we develop refining 
techniques to produce the refined product the market wanted?

For example, before jet airplanes, where did the 10% Jet A component go?

When the railroads all switched from coal-fired steam to diesel-electric, how 
did we supply that increased demand for diesel fuel?


On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 3:56 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> Thorium reactors and upgrade (and hardening) of the US electric grid 
> would be an answer. However, they don't produce byproducts used in 
> nuclear weapons, so there is no interest.
>
> The elephant in the room is this. A barrel of oil produces 40-46% 
> gasoline, 25-28% diesel fuel, 10-12% jet A, and miscellaneous other 
> stuff, asphalt, ship fuel, etc.  If you eliminate the internal 
> combustion automobile that operates on gasoline, but do NOT eliminate 
> diesel powered semi tractor trailers, farm tractors, combines, diesel 
> electric locomotives*, cargo container ships, asphalt roads, and other 
> stuff I don't care to mention, there will be a glut of gasoline 
> byproduct that will need to be disposed of. This occured early in the 
> pandemic, when trucks were on the road, and cars weren't. Refineries 
> were facing shut downs because of lack of gasoline storage, and diesel 
> was facing shortages. Crude oil was negative for a while, because 
> there was a lack of storage.
>
> No one thinks this stuff through. Decisions and actions have 
> consequences. Electric cars make little sense for the majority. In 
> urban areas, where travel is limited to a few miles each way, sure.
> Visitors from other countries are amazed at the wide open spaces in 
> the heartland and out west. In rural America they make no sense.
>
> So unless you eliminate a good deal of the population, and colonize 
> the remainder of folks into urban areas, mass electrification of 
> personal transportation is __ (fill in the blank).
>
> *Locomotives are a diesel electric hybrid.
>
>
> Rick
>
> Hard times produce tough men.
>
> Tough men produce good times.
>
> Good times produce weak men.
>
> Weak men produce hard times. #
>
> # We are here.
>
> Hope This Helps.
>
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: January 6, 2022 2:07 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: astrasfo...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware
>
> *Electric cars are niche vehicles for the rich based on the myth they 
> don't pollute.  Given state of the art of electrical power generation, 
> conversion, and transmission, electric vehicle operation pollutes less 
> (not
> none) only if the charging power is hydro.*
>
> Really?  I have a deposit on a modestly priced EV (Fisker Ocean), and 
> am not exactly rich.
>
> Obviously, if you build GHG emitting power plants to satisfy the 
> demand for charging EVs that would be a detriment, but no one is suggesting 
> that.
> Solar and wind are steadily supplanting fossil fuel generating sources 
> of baseload electricity, and nuclear may yet enjoy a renaissance (but 
> don't hold your breath).  And to be fair, conventional ICE cars have 
> comparable or greater impacts than EVs in terms of building and 
> recycling costs while polluting the air and warming the planet.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 2:38 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < 
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Exactly.  Electric cars are niche vehicles for the rich based on the 
>> myth they don't pollute.  Given state of the art of electrical power 
>> generation, conversion, and transmission, electric vehicle operation 
>> pollutes less (not
>> none) only if the charging power is hydro.  And that doesn't account 
>> for pollution from building and recycling.
>>
>> The electric vehicle craze is what you get when art-history majors 
>> make decisions for brain-dead politicians.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of G Mann via Mercedes
>> Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 8:58 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: G Mann 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware
>>
>> In the real world, cold weather sucks the life out of battery reserves.
>> So, at wind chill minus 30, range would be much less... then, how do 
>> you heat the car so you can stand to drive and survive... stuck in a 
>> snowbank for a couple days with no recharge [real world that happens] 
>> you become a well preserved frozen artifact 

Re: [MBZ] At least clean your crap out before trying to sell it

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Might not be a bad deal actually 

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> On Jan 6, 2022, at 9:44 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Seats look good
> 
> --FT
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>> On Jan 6, 2022, at 10:41 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2035348316645412/
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] At least clean your crap out before trying to sell it

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Seats look good

--FT
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> On Jan 6, 2022, at 10:41 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2035348316645412/
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[MBZ] At least clean your crap out before trying to sell it

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2035348316645412/


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Clay via Mercedes]

I used to work along the tracks by the Amtrak office.  There were a number of 
trains sitting on side rails chugging away day and night with nobody onboard.  
Upon occasion one would be sitting and not running.  It was entertaining when 
they tried to light it off.  Always a summer event.  Massive Delta engines 
would sound as if somehow they used a howitzer shell to kickstart rotation.  
Must have had APU that slowly spun the shafts up, compressing air and injecting 
fuel and all the while this thing is farting like a mexican giant with belching 
black clouds out the stack until it would light, but still had the shaking and 
belch/fart staccato for five minutes until the engine was warmed up.  Then it 
sat puffing/purring along for a few days.  At least I thought it was the same 
engine/train when I showed up to work the next day.


Clay



> On Jan 6, 2022, at 3:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Jet A is very nearly kerosene which is similar to diesel fuel 
> anyway.Locomotives use bunker fuel, like big ships do.When I was just out of 
> high school I worked land surveying along the railroad between Boston and 
> Portland, Maine. I noticed that the locos stayed running all the time. I 
> asked once if the loco got shut down and completely cooled down how long it 
> would take to get it running again. The answer was "It'd start again in May" 
> this was in November...
> -Curt

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[MBZ] This seriously sold in less than a day for this crack price?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1807918873058345/


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Jet A is very nearly kerosene which is similar to diesel fuel 
anyway.Locomotives use bunker fuel, like big ships do.When I was just out of 
high school I worked land surveying along the railroad between Boston and 
Portland, Maine. I noticed that the locos stayed running all the time. I asked 
once if the loco got shut down and completely cooled down how long it would 
take to get it running again. The answer was "It'd start again in May" this was 
in November...
-Curt

On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 04:14:38 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 That breakdown of a barrel of oil is interesting. So how did we arrive at that 
perfect balance of what oil provides and what we do with it? Did we develop 
technology to use the oil products available, or did we develop refining 
techniques to produce the refined product the market wanted?

For example, before jet airplanes, where did the 10% Jet A component go?

When the railroads all switched from coal-fired steam to diesel-electric, how 
did we supply that increased demand for diesel fuel?


On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 3:56 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> Thorium reactors and upgrade (and hardening) of the US electric grid 
> would be an answer. However, they don't produce byproducts used in 
> nuclear weapons, so there is no interest.
>
> The elephant in the room is this. A barrel of oil produces 40-46% 
> gasoline, 25-28% diesel fuel, 10-12% jet A, and miscellaneous other 
> stuff, asphalt, ship fuel, etc.  If you eliminate the internal 
> combustion automobile that operates on gasoline, but do NOT eliminate 
> diesel powered semi tractor trailers, farm tractors, combines, diesel 
> electric locomotives*, cargo container ships, asphalt roads, and other 
> stuff I don't care to mention, there will be a glut of gasoline 
> byproduct that will need to be disposed of. This occured early in the 
> pandemic, when trucks were on the road, and cars weren't. Refineries 
> were facing shut downs because of lack of gasoline storage, and diesel 
> was facing shortages. Crude oil was negative for a while, because there 
> was a lack of storage.
>
> No one thinks this stuff through. Decisions and actions have 
> consequences. Electric cars make little sense for the majority. In 
> urban areas, where travel is limited to a few miles each way, sure. 
> Visitors from other countries are amazed at the wide open spaces in the 
> heartland and out west. In rural America they make no sense.
>
> So unless you eliminate a good deal of the population, and colonize the 
> remainder of folks into urban areas, mass electrification of personal 
> transportation is __ (fill in the blank).
>
> *Locomotives are a diesel electric hybrid.
>
>
> Rick
>
> Hard times produce tough men.
>
> Tough men produce good times.
>
> Good times produce weak men.
>
> Weak men produce hard times. #
>
> # We are here.
>
> Hope This Helps.
>
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: January 6, 2022 2:07 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: astrasfo...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware
>
> *Electric cars are niche vehicles for the rich based on the myth they don't
> pollute.  Given state of the art of electrical power generation,
> conversion, and transmission, electric vehicle operation pollutes less (not
> none) only if the charging power is hydro.*
>
> Really?  I have a deposit on a modestly priced EV (Fisker Ocean), and am
> not exactly rich.
>
> Obviously, if you build GHG emitting power plants to satisfy the demand for
> charging EVs that would be a detriment, but no one is suggesting that.
> Solar and wind are steadily supplanting fossil fuel generating sources of
> baseload electricity, and nuclear may yet enjoy a renaissance (but don't
> hold your breath).  And to be fair, conventional ICE cars have comparable
> or greater impacts than EVs in terms of building and recycling costs while
> polluting the air and warming the planet.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 2:38 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Exactly.  Electric cars are niche vehicles for the rich based on the myth
>> they don't pollute.  Given state of the art of electrical power generation,
>> conversion, and transmission, electric vehicle operation pollutes less (not
>> none) only if the charging power is hydro.  And that doesn't account for
>> pollution from building and recycling.
>>
>> The electric vehicle craze is what you get when art-history majors make
>> decisions for brain-dead politicians.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of G Mann via Mercedes
>> Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 8:58 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: G Mann 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware
>>
>> In the real world, cold weather sucks the life out of battery reserves.
>> So, at wind chill minus 30, range would be much less... then, how do you
>> heat the car so you can stand to drive and survive... 

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Clay via Mercedes]

I seem to recall that Standard Oil needed to find a use for all the left over 
product after making the main product Kerosene back in the day.   IIRC that led 
to the battle over what would fuel the automobiles of the future where steam 
and batteries lost to petrol.

Clay


> On Jan 6, 2022, at 12:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That breakdown of a barrel of oil is interesting. So how did we arrive at 
> that perfect balance of what oil provides and what we do with it? Did we 
> develop technology to use the oil products available, or did we develop 
> refining techniques to produce the refined product the market wanted?
> 
> For example, before jet airplanes, where did the 10% Jet A component go?
> 
> When the railroads all switched from coal-fired steam to diesel-electric, how 
> did we supply that increased demand for diesel fuel?


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Clay via Mercedes]

There is one shipper in AK that retrofit their fleet with massive LNG tanks.  
They shuttle between WA and AK, as well as head out to HI in these boats.  It 
is the Green thing to do.  I wonder if they could swap over to H fuel at a 
later date.

Euro rail is electric.  Not a small enough area to allow USA to do that.  Take 
too much copper, and the miscreants would be constantly ripping the wires out.  

I was reading up on the energy disaster in UK this morning.  Big huzzahs for 
the increase in plug in cars, while much rending of tunic over the increase in 
home heating and electric costs.  Many energy companies went into receivership 
when cost to get fuel outpaced revenues and customers got tossed into another 
provider with jacked up pricing.  Elected leadership is pondering giving away 
more money as well as reducing tax on energy in an attempt to lower the curve 
of inflationary costs.  I tried to reconcile the mass increase in energy cost 
(electric) with forcing plug in cars and inability to provide power when 
consumers reduce NG use and increase plug in heaters to balance their bills


Clay

> On Jan 6, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Thorium reactors and upgrade (and hardening) of the US electric grid would be 
> an answer. However, they don't produce byproducts used in nuclear weapons, so 
> there is no interest.
> 
> The elephant in the room is this. A barrel of oil produces 40-46% gasoline, 
> 25-28% diesel fuel, 10-12% jet A, and miscellaneous other stuff, asphalt, 
> ship fuel, etc.  If you eliminate the internal combustion automobile that 
> operates on gasoline, but do NOT eliminate diesel powered semi tractor 
> trailers, farm tractors, combines, diesel electric locomotives*, cargo 
> container ships, asphalt roads, and other stuff I don't care to mention, 
> there will be a glut of gasoline byproduct that will need to be disposed of. 
> This occured early in the pandemic, when trucks were on the road, and cars 
> weren't. Refineries were facing shut downs because of lack of gasoline 
> storage, and diesel was facing shortages. Crude oil was negative for a while, 
> because there was a lack of storage.
> 
> No one thinks this stuff through. Decisions and actions have consequences. 
> Electric cars make little sense for the majority. In urban areas, where 
> travel is limited to a few miles each way, sure. Visitors from other 
> countries are amazed at the wide open spaces in the heartland and out west. 
> In rural America they make no sense.
> 
> So unless you eliminate a good deal of the population, and colonize the 
> remainder of folks into urban areas, mass electrification of personal 
> transportation is __ (fill in the blank).
> 
> *Locomotives are a diesel electric hybrid.
> 
> 
> Rick

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[MBZ] I am listing this for a friend - 2006 C280 - $6,900

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

The friend seems quite optimistic on the asking price.

https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/d/de-soto-2006-mercedes-benz-280/7429501361.html

I am pretty sure these can have balance shaft issues also.

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[MBZ] OT: Honda Clocks Are Stuck 20 Years In The Past And There Isn't A Fix

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I fear more and more of this. The car may be mechanically perfect, but will 
refuse to function because some programmer failed to look beyond his current 
deadline and now there is an unfixable bug in an embedded software system. At 
this point, the manufacture probably cannot even recreate the software 
development environment that would be needed to fix it (and that's also 
assuming they still have the source code).

Granted this isn't stopping Hondas from being driven... this time.

https://jalopnik.com/honda-clocks-are-stuck-20-years-in-the-past-and-this-mi-1848306970

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes

[Robert Massmann via Mercedes]

I did seller for CARFAX report since the car had a dealer tag on it.

-Original Message- 
From: Allan Streib via Mercedes

Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 5:28 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Allan Streib
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes

Maybe. Sometimes in a photo, shadows and reflections can look like dents --  
that said, if you're shopping for 8-10 year old cars it is going to be rare 
to find one without a ding or scratch somewhere.


Good question about the engine cover, maybe removed for the photo but 
certainly would be a question for the seller.




On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote:

When I went back and looked over the photos again, it looked like there
might be a ding in the bumper drivers side. I also would be lire with 
engine

compartment missing all its cover?

Regards,

Bob Massmann
Southwestern Ohio

-Original Message- 
From: Allan Streib via Mercedes

Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 1:01 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Allan Streib
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes

It's a Blutec, so it has a DPF, I don't know if it's possible to evaluate
the condition of those but that would be my concern if everything else
checks out. If it got regular long-ish highway trips it probably had
adequate opportunity for the "regen" cycles to complete. If it was used
mostly for in-town, short trips I'd be more cautious.

Then you need to consider *your* driving routine. If this is a car that 
will

mostly be driven short trips for shopping and work maybe diesel isn't the
best option. If you'll be doing regular longer fast highway runs, it could
be great.

Allan

On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 11:58 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote:

I found this one about 50 miles from me in Columbus Ohio. Need to see a
CARFAX report before I look?

https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-2013-mercedes-benz-ml350/7421132068.html

2004 BMW X3
2002 BMW 525i
1982 Mercedes 300D none running
1985 Mercedes 300CD none running

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Massmann via Mercedes

Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2022 8:47 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com
Subject: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes

I am starting to look for my next Mercedes as I had sold my 1995 E300D
because is was getting harder to maintain and had close to 500,000 miles.
I
am looking at the ML series 2014-2015. I would like to get back to a
diesel
car but it is not necessary. Just wondering what the better option would
be?
I do like to camp so it currently am towing small popup camper, but may
upgrade to larger enclosed trailer at some point. I only looked at one
vehicle thus far a 2015 ML350, it has less than 100,000 miles and has 
most

of the options. They are asking 19,700 for it.

So if anyone have opinions on my search, please chime in. Not in a real
big
hurry, but would like to do something sooner than later.

I would trade or sell the 2004 BMW X3 that I am currently driving.

Regards,

Bob Massmann
Southwestern Ohio
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Maybe. Sometimes in a photo, shadows and reflections can look like dents -- 
that said, if you're shopping for 8-10 year old cars it is going to be rare to 
find one without a ding or scratch somewhere.

Good question about the engine cover, maybe removed for the photo but certainly 
would be a question for the seller.



On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote:
> When I went back and looked over the photos again, it looked like there 
> might be a ding in the bumper drivers side. I also would be lire with engine 
> compartment missing all its cover?
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob Massmann
> Southwestern Ohio
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Allan Streib via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 1:01 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Allan Streib
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes
>
> It's a Blutec, so it has a DPF, I don't know if it's possible to evaluate 
> the condition of those but that would be my concern if everything else 
> checks out. If it got regular long-ish highway trips it probably had 
> adequate opportunity for the "regen" cycles to complete. If it was used 
> mostly for in-town, short trips I'd be more cautious.
>
> Then you need to consider *your* driving routine. If this is a car that will 
> mostly be driven short trips for shopping and work maybe diesel isn't the 
> best option. If you'll be doing regular longer fast highway runs, it could 
> be great.
>
> Allan
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 11:58 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote:
>> I found this one about 50 miles from me in Columbus Ohio. Need to see a
>> CARFAX report before I look?
>>
>> https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-2013-mercedes-benz-ml350/7421132068.html
>>
>> 2004 BMW X3
>> 2002 BMW 525i
>> 1982 Mercedes 300D none running
>> 1985 Mercedes 300CD none running
>>
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Robert Massmann via Mercedes
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2022 8:47 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com
>> Subject: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes
>>
>> I am starting to look for my next Mercedes as I had sold my 1995 E300D
>> because is was getting harder to maintain and had close to 500,000 miles. 
>> I
>> am looking at the ML series 2014-2015. I would like to get back to a 
>> diesel
>> car but it is not necessary. Just wondering what the better option would 
>> be?
>> I do like to camp so it currently am towing small popup camper, but may
>> upgrade to larger enclosed trailer at some point. I only looked at one
>> vehicle thus far a 2015 ML350, it has less than 100,000 miles and has most
>> of the options. They are asking 19,700 for it.
>>
>> So if anyone have opinions on my search, please chime in. Not in a real 
>> big
>> hurry, but would like to do something sooner than later.
>>
>> I would trade or sell the 2004 BMW X3 that I am currently driving.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bob Massmann
>> Southwestern Ohio
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes

[Robert Massmann via Mercedes]

When I went back and looked over the photos again, it looked like there 
might be a ding in the bumper drivers side. I also would be lire with engine 
compartment missing all its cover?


Regards,

Bob Massmann
Southwestern Ohio

-Original Message- 
From: Allan Streib via Mercedes

Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 1:01 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Allan Streib
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes

It's a Blutec, so it has a DPF, I don't know if it's possible to evaluate 
the condition of those but that would be my concern if everything else 
checks out. If it got regular long-ish highway trips it probably had 
adequate opportunity for the "regen" cycles to complete. If it was used 
mostly for in-town, short trips I'd be more cautious.


Then you need to consider *your* driving routine. If this is a car that will 
mostly be driven short trips for shopping and work maybe diesel isn't the 
best option. If you'll be doing regular longer fast highway runs, it could 
be great.


Allan

On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 11:58 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote:

I found this one about 50 miles from me in Columbus Ohio. Need to see a
CARFAX report before I look?

https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-2013-mercedes-benz-ml350/7421132068.html

2004 BMW X3
2002 BMW 525i
1982 Mercedes 300D none running
1985 Mercedes 300CD none running

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Massmann via Mercedes

Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2022 8:47 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com
Subject: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes

I am starting to look for my next Mercedes as I had sold my 1995 E300D
because is was getting harder to maintain and had close to 500,000 miles. 
I
am looking at the ML series 2014-2015. I would like to get back to a 
diesel
car but it is not necessary. Just wondering what the better option would 
be?

I do like to camp so it currently am towing small popup camper, but may
upgrade to larger enclosed trailer at some point. I only looked at one
vehicle thus far a 2015 ML350, it has less than 100,000 miles and has most
of the options. They are asking 19,700 for it.

So if anyone have opinions on my search, please chime in. Not in a real 
big

hurry, but would like to do something sooner than later.

I would trade or sell the 2004 BMW X3 that I am currently driving.

Regards,

Bob Massmann
Southwestern Ohio
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

The 'refineries' have ability to make one compound out of another that 
they didn't have 100 years ago, IIRC it's mostly cracking the heavy 
stuff down into gasoline fractions.


To answer your question, I believe the jet fuel used to go into kerosene 
lamps and heaters.

Mitch.

On 2022-01-06 16:13, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

That breakdown of a barrel of oil is interesting. So how did we arrive
at that perfect balance of what oil provides and what we do with it?
Did we develop technology to use the oil products available, or did we
develop refining techniques to produce the refined product the market
wanted?

For example, before jet airplanes, where did the 10% Jet A component 
go?




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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

That breakdown of a barrel of oil is interesting. So how did we arrive at that 
perfect balance of what oil provides and what we do with it? Did we develop 
technology to use the oil products available, or did we develop refining 
techniques to produce the refined product the market wanted?

For example, before jet airplanes, where did the 10% Jet A component go?

When the railroads all switched from coal-fired steam to diesel-electric, how 
did we supply that increased demand for diesel fuel?


On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 3:56 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> Thorium reactors and upgrade (and hardening) of the US electric grid 
> would be an answer. However, they don't produce byproducts used in 
> nuclear weapons, so there is no interest.
>
> The elephant in the room is this. A barrel of oil produces 40-46% 
> gasoline, 25-28% diesel fuel, 10-12% jet A, and miscellaneous other 
> stuff, asphalt, ship fuel, etc.  If you eliminate the internal 
> combustion automobile that operates on gasoline, but do NOT eliminate 
> diesel powered semi tractor trailers, farm tractors, combines, diesel 
> electric locomotives*, cargo container ships, asphalt roads, and other 
> stuff I don't care to mention, there will be a glut of gasoline 
> byproduct that will need to be disposed of. This occured early in the 
> pandemic, when trucks were on the road, and cars weren't. Refineries 
> were facing shut downs because of lack of gasoline storage, and diesel 
> was facing shortages. Crude oil was negative for a while, because there 
> was a lack of storage.
>
> No one thinks this stuff through. Decisions and actions have 
> consequences. Electric cars make little sense for the majority. In 
> urban areas, where travel is limited to a few miles each way, sure. 
> Visitors from other countries are amazed at the wide open spaces in the 
> heartland and out west. In rural America they make no sense.
>
> So unless you eliminate a good deal of the population, and colonize the 
> remainder of folks into urban areas, mass electrification of personal 
> transportation is __ (fill in the blank).
>
> *Locomotives are a diesel electric hybrid.
>
>
> Rick
>
> Hard times produce tough men.
>
> Tough men produce good times.
>
> Good times produce weak men.
>
> Weak men produce hard times. #
>
> # We are here.
>
> Hope This Helps.
>
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: January 6, 2022 2:07 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: astrasfo...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware
>
> *Electric cars are niche vehicles for the rich based on the myth they don't
> pollute.  Given state of the art of electrical power generation,
> conversion, and transmission, electric vehicle operation pollutes less (not
> none) only if the charging power is hydro.*
>
> Really?  I have a deposit on a modestly priced EV (Fisker Ocean), and am
> not exactly rich.
>
> Obviously, if you build GHG emitting power plants to satisfy the demand for
> charging EVs that would be a detriment, but no one is suggesting that.
> Solar and wind are steadily supplanting fossil fuel generating sources of
> baseload electricity, and nuclear may yet enjoy a renaissance (but don't
> hold your breath).  And to be fair, conventional ICE cars have comparable
> or greater impacts than EVs in terms of building and recycling costs while
> polluting the air and warming the planet.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 2:38 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Exactly.  Electric cars are niche vehicles for the rich based on the myth
>> they don't pollute.  Given state of the art of electrical power generation,
>> conversion, and transmission, electric vehicle operation pollutes less (not
>> none) only if the charging power is hydro.  And that doesn't account for
>> pollution from building and recycling.
>>
>> The electric vehicle craze is what you get when art-history majors make
>> decisions for brain-dead politicians.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of G Mann via Mercedes
>> Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 8:58 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: G Mann 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware
>>
>> In the real world, cold weather sucks the life out of battery reserves.
>> So, at wind chill minus 30, range would be much less... then, how do you
>> heat the car so you can stand to drive and survive... stuck in a snowbank
>> for a couple days with no recharge [real world that happens] you become a
>> well preserved frozen artifact not found until the spring thaw, maybe.
>> The electric car has reality problems that have not been overcome. I will
>> keep driving Diesels for now.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 12:23 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > If it really has a 620 mile range (assume real-world ~500) that would
>> > be quite welcome. Not a fan of the wide screen and other gizmos. Give
>> > me a car with that range, 

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Thorium reactors and upgrade (and hardening) of the US electric grid would be 
an answer. However, they don't produce byproducts used in nuclear weapons, so 
there is no interest.

The elephant in the room is this. A barrel of oil produces 40-46% gasoline, 
25-28% diesel fuel, 10-12% jet A, and miscellaneous other stuff, asphalt, ship 
fuel, etc.  If you eliminate the internal combustion automobile that operates 
on gasoline, but do NOT eliminate diesel powered semi tractor trailers, farm 
tractors, combines, diesel electric locomotives*, cargo container ships, 
asphalt roads, and other stuff I don't care to mention, there will be a glut of 
gasoline byproduct that will need to be disposed of. This occured early in the 
pandemic, when trucks were on the road, and cars weren't. Refineries were 
facing shut downs because of lack of gasoline storage, and diesel was facing 
shortages. Crude oil was negative for a while, because there was a lack of 
storage.

No one thinks this stuff through. Decisions and actions have consequences. 
Electric cars make little sense for the majority. In urban areas, where travel 
is limited to a few miles each way, sure. Visitors from other countries are 
amazed at the wide open spaces in the heartland and out west. In rural America 
they make no sense.

So unless you eliminate a good deal of the population, and colonize the 
remainder of folks into urban areas, mass electrification of personal 
transportation is __ (fill in the blank).

*Locomotives are a diesel electric hybrid.


Rick

Hard times produce tough men.

Tough men produce good times.

Good times produce weak men.

Weak men produce hard times. #

# We are here.

Hope This Helps.


From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: January 6, 2022 2:07 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: astrasfo...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

*Electric cars are niche vehicles for the rich based on the myth they don't
pollute.  Given state of the art of electrical power generation,
conversion, and transmission, electric vehicle operation pollutes less (not
none) only if the charging power is hydro.*

Really?  I have a deposit on a modestly priced EV (Fisker Ocean), and am
not exactly rich.

Obviously, if you build GHG emitting power plants to satisfy the demand for
charging EVs that would be a detriment, but no one is suggesting that.
Solar and wind are steadily supplanting fossil fuel generating sources of
baseload electricity, and nuclear may yet enjoy a renaissance (but don't
hold your breath).  And to be fair, conventional ICE cars have comparable
or greater impacts than EVs in terms of building and recycling costs while
polluting the air and warming the planet.



On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 2:38 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Exactly.  Electric cars are niche vehicles for the rich based on the myth
> they don't pollute.  Given state of the art of electrical power generation,
> conversion, and transmission, electric vehicle operation pollutes less (not
> none) only if the charging power is hydro.  And that doesn't account for
> pollution from building and recycling.
>
> The electric vehicle craze is what you get when art-history majors make
> decisions for brain-dead politicians.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of G Mann via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 8:58 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: G Mann 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware
>
> In the real world, cold weather sucks the life out of battery reserves.
> So, at wind chill minus 30, range would be much less... then, how do you
> heat the car so you can stand to drive and survive... stuck in a snowbank
> for a couple days with no recharge [real world that happens] you become a
> well preserved frozen artifact not found until the spring thaw, maybe.
> The electric car has reality problems that have not been overcome. I will
> keep driving Diesels for now.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 12:23 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > If it really has a 620 mile range (assume real-world ~500) that would
> > be quite welcome. Not a fan of the wide screen and other gizmos. Give
> > me a car with that range, basic gauges on the dash, a manual climate
> > control system, real switches for the headlights, wipers, and other
> > accessories, and I might be interested.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > > MB Tex was the distant ancestor of vegan upholstery.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 8:44 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Wasn’t that called “MBTex”?
> > >>
> > >> --FT
> > >> Sent from iFōn
> > >>
> > >> > On Jan 3, 2022, at 8:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Fisker uses vegan leather too.
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, 7:02 PM Clay via 

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

*Electric cars are niche vehicles for the rich based on the myth they don't
pollute.  Given state of the art of electrical power generation,
conversion, and transmission, electric vehicle operation pollutes less (not
none) only if the charging power is hydro.*

Really?  I have a deposit on a modestly priced EV (Fisker Ocean), and am
not exactly rich.

Obviously, if you build GHG emitting power plants to satisfy the demand for
charging EVs that would be a detriment, but no one is suggesting that.
Solar and wind are steadily supplanting fossil fuel generating sources of
baseload electricity, and nuclear may yet enjoy a renaissance (but don't
hold your breath).  And to be fair, conventional ICE cars have comparable
or greater impacts than EVs in terms of building and recycling costs while
polluting the air and warming the planet.



On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 2:38 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Exactly.  Electric cars are niche vehicles for the rich based on the myth
> they don't pollute.  Given state of the art of electrical power generation,
> conversion, and transmission, electric vehicle operation pollutes less (not
> none) only if the charging power is hydro.  And that doesn't account for
> pollution from building and recycling.
>
> The electric vehicle craze is what you get when art-history majors make
> decisions for brain-dead politicians.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of G Mann via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 8:58 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: G Mann 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware
>
> In the real world, cold weather sucks the life out of battery reserves.
> So, at wind chill minus 30, range would be much less... then, how do you
> heat the car so you can stand to drive and survive... stuck in a snowbank
> for a couple days with no recharge [real world that happens] you become a
> well preserved frozen artifact not found until the spring thaw, maybe.
> The electric car has reality problems that have not been overcome. I will
> keep driving Diesels for now.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 12:23 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > If it really has a 620 mile range (assume real-world ~500) that would
> > be quite welcome. Not a fan of the wide screen and other gizmos. Give
> > me a car with that range, basic gauges on the dash, a manual climate
> > control system, real switches for the headlights, wipers, and other
> > accessories, and I might be interested.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > > MB Tex was the distant ancestor of vegan upholstery.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 8:44 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Wasn’t that called “MBTex”?
> > >>
> > >> --FT
> > >> Sent from iFōn
> > >>
> > >> > On Jan 3, 2022, at 8:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Fisker uses vegan leather too.
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, 7:02 PM Clay via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Vegan leather = Mango fruit leather
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Clay
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> On Jan 3, 2022, at 2:57 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > >> >
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38651341/mercedes-benz-vision-eqxx-
> > concept-revealed/
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> --
> > >> >>> OK Don
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is
> > >> >>> time
> > to
> > >> >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
> > doing.”
> > >> >> Wernher
> > >> >>> Von Braun
> > >> >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > >> >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > >> >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> > >> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Exactly.  Electric cars are niche vehicles for the rich based on the myth they 
don't pollute.  Given state of the art of electrical power generation, 
conversion, and transmission, electric vehicle operation pollutes less (not 
none) only if the charging power is hydro.  And that doesn't account for 
pollution from building and recycling.

The electric vehicle craze is what you get when art-history majors make 
decisions for brain-dead politicians.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of G Mann via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 8:58 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: G Mann 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

In the real world, cold weather sucks the life out of battery reserves. So, at 
wind chill minus 30, range would be much less... then, how do you heat the car 
so you can stand to drive and survive... stuck in a snowbank for a couple days 
with no recharge [real world that happens] you become a well preserved frozen 
artifact not found until the spring thaw, maybe.
The electric car has reality problems that have not been overcome. I will keep 
driving Diesels for now.


On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 12:23 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If it really has a 620 mile range (assume real-world ~500) that would 
> be quite welcome. Not a fan of the wide screen and other gizmos. Give 
> me a car with that range, basic gauges on the dash, a manual climate 
> control system, real switches for the headlights, wipers, and other 
> accessories, and I might be interested.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > MB Tex was the distant ancestor of vegan upholstery.
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 8:44 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < 
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Wasn’t that called “MBTex”?
> >>
> >> --FT
> >> Sent from iFōn
> >>
> >> > On Jan 3, 2022, at 8:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Fisker uses vegan leather too.
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, 7:02 PM Clay via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Vegan leather = Mango fruit leather
> >> >>
> >> >> Clay
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Jan 3, 2022, at 2:57 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >>
> https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38651341/mercedes-benz-vision-eqxx-
> concept-revealed/
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> OK Don
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is 
> >> >>> time
> to
> >> >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >> >>>
> >> >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
> doing.”
> >> >> Wernher
> >> >>> Von Braun
> >> >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> >> >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> >> >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> >> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 86 Volvo Wagon erupts into a bidding war

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

One of those was abandoned in the parking lot at a former employer. It was in a 
primo parking spot or it would have probably sat there a lot longer. As it was, 
it took some months to have it officially deemed abandoned and towed away.

Allan

On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 2:13 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
> 50kmi Swedish Brick.
> Those 240s were popular, and almost all gone now, but I didn't expect 
> double low mile 240D money.
>
> On 2022-01-06 14:03, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> I am speechless.
>> 
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1986-volvo-240-wagon-5/
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Re: [MBZ] 86 Volvo Wagon erupts into a bidding war

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50kmi Swedish Brick.
Those 240s were popular, and almost all gone now, but I didn't expect 
double low mile 240D money.


On 2022-01-06 14:03, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I am speechless.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1986-volvo-240-wagon-5/


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[MBZ] 86 Volvo Wagon erupts into a bidding war

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I am speechless.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1986-volvo-240-wagon-5/
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[MBZ] 2008 C350 - 130k miles - $6,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Seems a little on the high side, but miles aren't bad, decent color, and 
according to the VIN it has the M272 with the improved balance shaft parts.

https://southbend.craigslist.org/cto/d/walkerton-mercedes-benz/7429128356.html

"Will show at the Dollar General store"
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes

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Price seems high.  If you aren't set on a large SUV, the 250GLK Bluetec is
awesome -  reliable and highly fuel efficient.  It might be adequate in
size to suit your needs.  They are mfd. in Germany rather than AL, which
IMO is a huge plus.

On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 1:03 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> It's a Blutec, so it has a DPF, I don't know if it's possible to evaluate
> the condition of those but that would be my concern if everything else
> checks out. If it got regular long-ish highway trips it probably had
> adequate opportunity for the "regen" cycles to complete. If it was used
> mostly for in-town, short trips I'd be more cautious.
>
> Then you need to consider *your* driving routine. If this is a car that
> will mostly be driven short trips for shopping and work maybe diesel isn't
> the best option. If you'll be doing regular longer fast highway runs, it
> could be great.
>
> Allan
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 11:58 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote:
> > I found this one about 50 miles from me in Columbus Ohio. Need to see a
> > CARFAX report before I look?
> >
> >
> https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-2013-mercedes-benz-ml350/7421132068.html
> >
> > 2004 BMW X3
> > 2002 BMW 525i
> > 1982 Mercedes 300D none running
> > 1985 Mercedes 300CD none running
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Massmann via Mercedes
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2022 8:47 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com
> > Subject: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes
> >
> > I am starting to look for my next Mercedes as I had sold my 1995 E300D
> > because is was getting harder to maintain and had close to 500,000
> miles. I
> > am looking at the ML series 2014-2015. I would like to get back to a
> diesel
> > car but it is not necessary. Just wondering what the better option would
> be?
> > I do like to camp so it currently am towing small popup camper, but may
> > upgrade to larger enclosed trailer at some point. I only looked at one
> > vehicle thus far a 2015 ML350, it has less than 100,000 miles and has
> most
> > of the options. They are asking 19,700 for it.
> >
> > So if anyone have opinions on my search, please chime in. Not in a real
> big
> > hurry, but would like to do something sooner than later.
> >
> > I would trade or sell the 2004 BMW X3 that I am currently driving.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bob Massmann
> > Southwestern Ohio
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Re: [MBZ] Heartbreaking

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When I lived up there (Lockport) I think my train into Chicago used to pass 
that yard in Summit.

On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 12:53 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

It's a Blutec, so it has a DPF, I don't know if it's possible to evaluate the 
condition of those but that would be my concern if everything else checks out. 
If it got regular long-ish highway trips it probably had adequate opportunity 
for the "regen" cycles to complete. If it was used mostly for in-town, short 
trips I'd be more cautious.

Then you need to consider *your* driving routine. If this is a car that will 
mostly be driven short trips for shopping and work maybe diesel isn't the best 
option. If you'll be doing regular longer fast highway runs, it could be great.

Allan

On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 11:58 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote:
> I found this one about 50 miles from me in Columbus Ohio. Need to see a 
> CARFAX report before I look?
>
> https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-2013-mercedes-benz-ml350/7421132068.html
>
> 2004 BMW X3
> 2002 BMW 525i
> 1982 Mercedes 300D none running
> 1985 Mercedes 300CD none running
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Robert Massmann via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2022 8:47 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com
> Subject: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes
>
> I am starting to look for my next Mercedes as I had sold my 1995 E300D 
> because is was getting harder to maintain and had close to 500,000 miles. I 
> am looking at the ML series 2014-2015. I would like to get back to a diesel 
> car but it is not necessary. Just wondering what the better option would be? 
> I do like to camp so it currently am towing small popup camper, but may 
> upgrade to larger enclosed trailer at some point. I only looked at one 
> vehicle thus far a 2015 ML350, it has less than 100,000 miles and has most 
> of the options. They are asking 19,700 for it.
>
> So if anyone have opinions on my search, please chime in. Not in a real big 
> hurry, but would like to do something sooner than later.
>
> I would trade or sell the 2004 BMW X3 that I am currently driving.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob Massmann
> Southwestern Ohio
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Re: [MBZ] Looks like a 1932 luxury car, Mercedes . 1982 Ford Mustang Boss 302 Coupe 2D, $33, 500

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I disagree.  That is borderline tasteful.

On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 12:58 PM M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
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> Pimp hat and hookers sold separately.
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 8:59 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> > Gets lots of praise when going down the road.
> >
> > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/506541480652317
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

During my time as a Congressional Fellow I staffed a hearing on Hot Dry
Rock geothermal energy.  Has great promise but not yet commercial.
https://www1.eere.energy.gov/ba/pba/pdfs/geo_hotdry_rock.pdf

On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 12:19 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  I expect it depends on how high the ground water is, I've seen some that
> have 400' drops. I've also seen them talk about horizontal loops 10 feet
> down but as our frost line is 6 feet I'd imagine we'd want horizontal loops
> to be deeper than that.
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 12:05:32 PM EST, dan penoff.com via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  I think our loops were supposed to go down 60 feet or so if I recall
> correctly.
>
> -D
>
> On Jan 6, 2022, at 9:21 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
> 
> I don't know how far down we'll have to go for rock, the top couple feet
> are soft soil anyway...
>
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 11:07:14 AM EST, dan penoff.com <
> d...@penoff.com> wrote:
>
>
> Based on the geology of where you live I’m guessing a lot of the cost is
> in the boreholes for the loops. Drilling through rock versus clay and soil
> (Indiana) is a big difference.
>
> -D
>
> On Jan 6, 2022, at 8:23 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
> 
> Whoa, I've been considering it for here and the estimate is $35k although
> we have a very small house (900sqft) so it'll probably be cheaper. Plus I
> want to hook it into our existing hydronic setup. I have no interest in hot
> air...
>
> We spend about $1600/yr on oil which isn't getting any cheaper.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 10:17:34 AM EST, dan penoff.com via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>
> We seriously considered geothermal for the massif we owned in Indiana.
> This would have been 2010, but for a 4,000 SF two story house the total
> would have been around $14,000, less Federal and State incentives bringing
> our out the door cost of around $10,000-$11,000 as I recall. Average
> monthly bill regardless of season was estimated at under $100.
>
> Also, in Indiana the state gave you a cut on your property taxes for
> installing geothermal. It wasn’t a substantial amount, but hey, like Geddy
> Lee says, “10 bucks is 10 bucks.”
>
> -D
>
> > On Jan 6, 2022, at 6:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > What was the install cost for your geothermal system?  This would work
> > great in the mid-Atlantic but has never really caught on.  How much
> acreage
> > did you need?
> >
> >> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 12:02 AM OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dan, I've lived with heat pumps since 1979 - the earlier ones had
> resistive
> >> backup heat that did come on below freezing. This new one doesn't have
> any
> >> resistive elements. In our main house, we have geothermal, and
> >> occasionally the resistive elements would fire up, but I've pulled the
> >> cut-off on them so we just have the geothermal now and it's been just
> fine,
> >> even below 0F last winter.
> >> No, they don't blow hot air, and the warm air does blow more than a hot
> air
> >> system would, but it's not a problem, at least for us. YMMV.
> >> The new mini-split is in the 700 sq ft "guest house" where my wife is
> now
> >> growing veggies all year round -and it replaced a couple of window units
> >> (one was a heat pump) and some electric space heaters. The electric use
> is
> >> about a third of what it was last year. When we installed the
> geothermal in
> >> the big house, our total energy cost was cut in half.
> >> We're very happy with both of them.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 8:59 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Don, is the outlet air temperature decent? That's one thing that a lot
> of
> >>> people don't get used to if they've experienced gas or electric forced
> >> air
> >>> - the outlet temps are generally quite a bit higher than what a heat
> pump
> >>> puts out.
> >>>
> >>> I'm curious about this as I don't want to put something in the casita
> >> that
> >>> won't perform.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>> 
> >>> From: Mercedes  mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com>> on behalf of OK Don via
> >>> Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 9:34 PM
> >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List  mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
> >>> Cc: OK Don mailto:okd...@gmail.com>>
> >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware
> >>>
> >>> The Mitsubishi mini-split we had installed last year is rated for
> either
> >> 5
> >>> or 10F. It has been down to 15F so far, and it held the temp just fine.
> >> The
> >>> temp is supposed to drop to 12F tonight - we'll see.It's also very
> quiet.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 7:46 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> 

Re: [MBZ] Looks like a 1932 luxury car, Mercedes . 1982 Ford Mustang Boss 302 Coupe 2D, $33, 500

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Pimp hat and hookers sold separately.

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> Gets lots of praise when going down the road.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/506541480652317
>
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[MBZ] Heartbreaking

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

https://row52.com/Vehicle/Index/RNDLdqdF8DF3LyLfx8eSkHPlR


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Re: [MBZ] Estate Sale - 1975 Mercedes-Benz 190 E 2.3 Sedan 4D, $5, 500

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Appears to be an early 70's W114 230. Either someone has been swapping 
bumpers or it is older than the add suggests.

He says  it shows 20K miles - so who knows how many miles in actuality.
Maybe a nice little 4 cylinder car with a manual transmission but no AC. 
No photos of the interior.


Randy


On 06/01/2022 8:51 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

Unclear what it is but it looks nice

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

There are other ways to do these things too.
One of the ladies that my wife worked with for years had a recently 
built house that used passive heat sources. It was super insulated and 
faced south. The windows were almost all in the south wall and those 
were large. It had clerestory windows that faced into a balcony on the 
2nd floor and dark coloured ceramic tile on all of the floors in the 
main living area and upper hallway. The sun through the windows warmed 
the floors which gave off heat in the night. Many years, she had not 
turned on the heat at Christmas time and her annual electric bills were 
minimal. This house was built probably 20 to 25 years ago so technology 
has not doubt advanced since then.


If you have enough land, you can do geothermal with trenches and 
horizontal piping. My aunt and uncle in NW Ontario (Dryden) had that 
system for years and it worked well.
If you live on a rural acreage with a pond, you can run the piping in 
the pond.


If you don't have much land, it is more problematic. We looked into it 
for our house in Winnipeg and we don't have enough land unless we had 
them drill deep and use fewer holes. That becomes more expensive as 
drilling deeper would require drilling into rock. It wouldn't be 
worthwhile for us. We got a new efficient furnace and our costs were 
halved from what we were paying for natural gas with our furnace from 
the 80's.


Randy


On 06/01/2022 9:16 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

We seriously considered geothermal for the massif we owned in Indiana. This 
would have been 2010, but for a 4,000 SF two story house the total would have 
been around $14,000, less Federal and State incentives bringing our out the 
door cost of around $10,000-$11,000 as I recall. Average monthly bill 
regardless of season was estimated at under $100.

Also, in Indiana the state gave you a cut on your property taxes for installing 
geothermal. It wasn’t a substantial amount, but hey, like Geddy Lee says, “10 
bucks is 10 bucks.”

-D


On Jan 6, 2022, at 6:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:

What was the install cost for your geothermal system?  This would work
great in the mid-Atlantic but has never really caught on.  How much acreage
did you need?


On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 12:02 AM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

Dan, I've lived with heat pumps since 1979 - the earlier ones had resistive
backup heat that did come on below freezing. This new one doesn't have any
resistive elements. In our main house, we have geothermal, and
occasionally the resistive elements would fire up, but I've pulled the
cut-off on them so we just have the geothermal now and it's been just fine,
even below 0F last winter.
No, they don't blow hot air, and the warm air does blow more than a hot air
system would, but it's not a problem, at least for us. YMMV.
The new mini-split is in the 700 sq ft "guest house" where my wife is now
growing veggies all year round -and it replaced a couple of window units
(one was a heat pump) and some electric space heaters. The electric use is
about a third of what it was last year. When we installed the geothermal in
the big house, our total energy cost was cut in half.
We're very happy with both of them.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 8:59 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Don, is the outlet air temperature decent? That's one thing that a lot of
people don't get used to if they've experienced gas or electric forced

air

- the outlet temps are generally quite a bit higher than what a heat pump
puts out.

I'm curious about this as I don't want to put something in the casita

that

won't perform.

Thanks!

-D

From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via
Mercedes 
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 9:34 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: OK Don 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

The Mitsubishi mini-split we had installed last year is rated for either

5

or 10F. It has been down to 15F so far, and it held the temp just fine.

The

temp is supposed to drop to 12F tonight - we'll see.It's also very quiet.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 7:46 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


yes we just had one rated 4F installed in our church rectory.
the one we put in our house 15 years ago is rated 30F for heat

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, 6:00 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Actually, there are heat pumps now rated for lower temperatures. My
insulation guys in Flagstaff offered me a mini-split that’s good down

to

4F

(-15C) for the casita. Granted, I can’t imagine the air temperature

coming

out of it would be that great, but it’s supposed to produce heat down

to

that ambient temperature.

I passed for now, but I may still do it so I can disable the old gas

wall

furnace that’s currently in there.

-D

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 5, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

It really isn't a problem for 

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

You have to have one of those back bumper/trailer hitch racks with a 
good sized generator on it so that you can feed your battery.


Randy

On 06/01/2022 7:57 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

In the real world, cold weather sucks the life out of battery reserves. So,
at wind chill minus 30, range would be much less... then, how do you heat
the car so you can stand to drive and survive... stuck in a snowbank for a
couple days with no recharge [real world that happens] you become a well
preserved frozen artifact not found until the spring thaw, maybe.
The electric car has reality problems that have not been overcome. I will
keep driving Diesels for now.




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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I expect it depends on how high the ground water is, I've seen some that have 
400' drops. I've also seen them talk about horizontal loops 10 feet down but as 
our frost line is 6 feet I'd imagine we'd want horizontal loops to be deeper 
than that.
-Curt

On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 12:05:32 PM EST, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I think our loops were supposed to go down 60 feet or so if I recall correctly.

-D

On Jan 6, 2022, at 9:21 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:


I don't know how far down we'll have to go for rock, the top couple feet are 
soft soil anyway...

-Curt

On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 11:07:14 AM EST, dan penoff.com  
wrote:


Based on the geology of where you live I’m guessing a lot of the cost is in the 
boreholes for the loops. Drilling through rock versus clay and soil (Indiana) 
is a big difference.

-D

On Jan 6, 2022, at 8:23 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:


Whoa, I've been considering it for here and the estimate is $35k although we 
have a very small house (900sqft) so it'll probably be cheaper. Plus I want to 
hook it into our existing hydronic setup. I have no interest in hot air...

We spend about $1600/yr on oil which isn't getting any cheaper.

-Curt

On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 10:17:34 AM EST, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:


We seriously considered geothermal for the massif we owned in Indiana. This 
would have been 2010, but for a 4,000 SF two story house the total would have 
been around $14,000, less Federal and State incentives bringing our out the 
door cost of around $10,000-$11,000 as I recall. Average monthly bill 
regardless of season was estimated at under $100.

Also, in Indiana the state gave you a cut on your property taxes for installing 
geothermal. It wasn’t a substantial amount, but hey, like Geddy Lee says, “10 
bucks is 10 bucks.”

-D

> On Jan 6, 2022, at 6:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> What was the install cost for your geothermal system?  This would work
> great in the mid-Atlantic but has never really caught on.  How much acreage
> did you need?
>
>> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 12:02 AM OK Don via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dan, I've lived with heat pumps since 1979 - the earlier ones had resistive
>> backup heat that did come on below freezing. This new one doesn't have any
>> resistive elements. In our main house, we have geothermal, and
>> occasionally the resistive elements would fire up, but I've pulled the
>> cut-off on them so we just have the geothermal now and it's been just fine,
>> even below 0F last winter.
>> No, they don't blow hot air, and the warm air does blow more than a hot air
>> system would, but it's not a problem, at least for us. YMMV.
>> The new mini-split is in the 700 sq ft "guest house" where my wife is now
>> growing veggies all year round -and it replaced a couple of window units
>> (one was a heat pump) and some electric space heaters. The electric use is
>> about a third of what it was last year. When we installed the geothermal in
>> the big house, our total energy cost was cut in half.
>> We're very happy with both of them.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 8:59 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Don, is the outlet air temperature decent? That's one thing that a lot of
>>> people don't get used to if they've experienced gas or electric forced
>> air
>>> - the outlet temps are generally quite a bit higher than what a heat pump
>>> puts out.
>>>
>>> I'm curious about this as I don't want to put something in the casita
>> that
>>> won't perform.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> From: Mercedes 
>>> mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com>> on 
>>> behalf of OK Don via
>>> Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 9:34 PM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
>>> Cc: OK Don mailto:okd...@gmail.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware
>>>
>>> The Mitsubishi mini-split we had installed last year is rated for either
>> 5
>>> or 10F. It has been down to 15F so far, and it held the temp just fine.
>> The
>>> temp is supposed to drop to 12F tonight - we'll see.It's also very quiet.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 7:46 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
 yes we just had one rated 4F installed in our church rectory.
 the one we put in our house 15 years ago is rated 30F for heat

 On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, 6:00 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Actually, there are heat pumps now rated for lower temperatures. My
> insulation guys in Flagstaff offered me a mini-split that’s good down
>>> to
 4F
> (-15C) for the casita. Granted, I can’t imagine the air temperature
 coming
> out of it would be 

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I think our loops were supposed to go down 60 feet or so if I recall correctly.

-D

On Jan 6, 2022, at 9:21 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:


I don't know how far down we'll have to go for rock, the top couple feet are 
soft soil anyway...

-Curt

On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 11:07:14 AM EST, dan penoff.com  
wrote:


Based on the geology of where you live I’m guessing a lot of the cost is in the 
boreholes for the loops. Drilling through rock versus clay and soil (Indiana) 
is a big difference.

-D

On Jan 6, 2022, at 8:23 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:


Whoa, I've been considering it for here and the estimate is $35k although we 
have a very small house (900sqft) so it'll probably be cheaper. Plus I want to 
hook it into our existing hydronic setup. I have no interest in hot air...

We spend about $1600/yr on oil which isn't getting any cheaper.

-Curt

On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 10:17:34 AM EST, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:


We seriously considered geothermal for the massif we owned in Indiana. This 
would have been 2010, but for a 4,000 SF two story house the total would have 
been around $14,000, less Federal and State incentives bringing our out the 
door cost of around $10,000-$11,000 as I recall. Average monthly bill 
regardless of season was estimated at under $100.

Also, in Indiana the state gave you a cut on your property taxes for installing 
geothermal. It wasn’t a substantial amount, but hey, like Geddy Lee says, “10 
bucks is 10 bucks.”

-D

> On Jan 6, 2022, at 6:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> What was the install cost for your geothermal system?  This would work
> great in the mid-Atlantic but has never really caught on.  How much acreage
> did you need?
>
>> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 12:02 AM OK Don via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dan, I've lived with heat pumps since 1979 - the earlier ones had resistive
>> backup heat that did come on below freezing. This new one doesn't have any
>> resistive elements. In our main house, we have geothermal, and
>> occasionally the resistive elements would fire up, but I've pulled the
>> cut-off on them so we just have the geothermal now and it's been just fine,
>> even below 0F last winter.
>> No, they don't blow hot air, and the warm air does blow more than a hot air
>> system would, but it's not a problem, at least for us. YMMV.
>> The new mini-split is in the 700 sq ft "guest house" where my wife is now
>> growing veggies all year round -and it replaced a couple of window units
>> (one was a heat pump) and some electric space heaters. The electric use is
>> about a third of what it was last year. When we installed the geothermal in
>> the big house, our total energy cost was cut in half.
>> We're very happy with both of them.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 8:59 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Don, is the outlet air temperature decent? That's one thing that a lot of
>>> people don't get used to if they've experienced gas or electric forced
>> air
>>> - the outlet temps are generally quite a bit higher than what a heat pump
>>> puts out.
>>>
>>> I'm curious about this as I don't want to put something in the casita
>> that
>>> won't perform.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> From: Mercedes 
>>> mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com>> on 
>>> behalf of OK Don via
>>> Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 9:34 PM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
>>> Cc: OK Don mailto:okd...@gmail.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware
>>>
>>> The Mitsubishi mini-split we had installed last year is rated for either
>> 5
>>> or 10F. It has been down to 15F so far, and it held the temp just fine.
>> The
>>> temp is supposed to drop to 12F tonight - we'll see.It's also very quiet.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 7:46 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
 yes we just had one rated 4F installed in our church rectory.
 the one we put in our house 15 years ago is rated 30F for heat

 On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, 6:00 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Actually, there are heat pumps now rated for lower temperatures. My
> insulation guys in Flagstaff offered me a mini-split that’s good down
>>> to
 4F
> (-15C) for the casita. Granted, I can’t imagine the air temperature
 coming
> out of it would be that great, but it’s supposed to produce heat down
>>> to
> that ambient temperature.
>
> I passed for now, but I may still do it so I can disable the old gas
>>> wall
> furnace that’s currently in there.
>
> -D
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 5, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> 

Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes

[Robert Massmann via Mercedes]

I found this one about 50 miles from me in Columbus Ohio. Need to see a 
CARFAX report before I look?


https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-2013-mercedes-benz-ml350/7421132068.html

2004 BMW X3
2002 BMW 525i
1982 Mercedes 300D none running
1985 Mercedes 300CD none running

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Massmann via Mercedes

Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2022 8:47 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com
Subject: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes

I am starting to look for my next Mercedes as I had sold my 1995 E300D 
because is was getting harder to maintain and had close to 500,000 miles. I 
am looking at the ML series 2014-2015. I would like to get back to a diesel 
car but it is not necessary. Just wondering what the better option would be? 
I do like to camp so it currently am towing small popup camper, but may 
upgrade to larger enclosed trailer at some point. I only looked at one 
vehicle thus far a 2015 ML350, it has less than 100,000 miles and has most 
of the options. They are asking 19,700 for it.


So if anyone have opinions on my search, please chime in. Not in a real big 
hurry, but would like to do something sooner than later.


I would trade or sell the 2004 BMW X3 that I am currently driving.

Regards,

Bob Massmann
Southwestern Ohio
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[MBZ] Fwd: @@@@ MERCEDES TURBO DIESLE@@@@

[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

Nit mine.

-- Forwarded message -
From: Frederick Moir 
Date: Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 9:52 AM
Subject:  MERCEDES TURBO DIESLE
To: Frederick Moir 


https://providence.craigslist.org/pts/d/ashaway-mercedes-turbo-diesle/7429202458.html

Sent from Mail  for Windows




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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Whoa, I've been considering it for here and the estimate is $35k although we 
have a very small house (900sqft) so it'll probably be cheaper. Plus I want to 
hook it into our existing hydronic setup. I have no interest in hot air...

We spend about $1600/yr on oil which isn't getting any cheaper.
-Curt

On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 10:17:34 AM EST, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 We seriously considered geothermal for the massif we owned in Indiana. This 
would have been 2010, but for a 4,000 SF two story house the total would have 
been around $14,000, less Federal and State incentives bringing our out the 
door cost of around $10,000-$11,000 as I recall. Average monthly bill 
regardless of season was estimated at under $100.

Also, in Indiana the state gave you a cut on your property taxes for installing 
geothermal. It wasn’t a substantial amount, but hey, like Geddy Lee says, “10 
bucks is 10 bucks.”

-D

> On Jan 6, 2022, at 6:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What was the install cost for your geothermal system?  This would work
> great in the mid-Atlantic but has never really caught on.  How much acreage
> did you need?
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 12:02 AM OK Don via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dan, I've lived with heat pumps since 1979 - the earlier ones had resistive
>> backup heat that did come on below freezing. This new one doesn't have any
>> resistive elements. In our main house, we have geothermal, and
>> occasionally the resistive elements would fire up, but I've pulled the
>> cut-off on them so we just have the geothermal now and it's been just fine,
>> even below 0F last winter.
>> No, they don't blow hot air, and the warm air does blow more than a hot air
>> system would, but it's not a problem, at least for us. YMMV.
>> The new mini-split is in the 700 sq ft "guest house" where my wife is now
>> growing veggies all year round -and it replaced a couple of window units
>> (one was a heat pump) and some electric space heaters. The electric use is
>> about a third of what it was last year. When we installed the geothermal in
>> the big house, our total energy cost was cut in half.
>> We're very happy with both of them.
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 8:59 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Don, is the outlet air temperature decent? That's one thing that a lot of
>>> people don't get used to if they've experienced gas or electric forced
>> air
>>> - the outlet temps are generally quite a bit higher than what a heat pump
>>> puts out.
>>> 
>>> I'm curious about this as I don't want to put something in the casita
>> that
>>> won't perform.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via
>>> Mercedes 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 9:34 PM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> Cc: OK Don 
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware
>>> 
>>> The Mitsubishi mini-split we had installed last year is rated for either
>> 5
>>> or 10F. It has been down to 15F so far, and it held the temp just fine.
>> The
>>> temp is supposed to drop to 12F tonight - we'll see.It's also very quiet.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 7:46 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 yes we just had one rated 4F installed in our church rectory.
 the one we put in our house 15 years ago is rated 30F for heat
 
 On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, 6:00 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> Actually, there are heat pumps now rated for lower temperatures. My
> insulation guys in Flagstaff offered me a mini-split that’s good down
>>> to
 4F
> (-15C) for the casita. Granted, I can’t imagine the air temperature
 coming
> out of it would be that great, but it’s supposed to produce heat down
>>> to
> that ambient temperature.
> 
> I passed for now, but I may still do it so I can disable the old gas
>>> wall
> furnace that’s currently in there.
> 
> -D
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 5, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It really isn't a problem for Tesla owners to keep the car warm in
> really cold weather. They just light it on fire and it burns hot for
 days.
>> 
>> Heat pumps for houses don't work here in the winter temperatures.
>>> They
> are fine in spring and fall but come winter, you will be relying upon
> electric heat built in to the heat pump system.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 05/01/2022 2:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Ask the folks in Teslas who were stranded on the interstate in
 Virginia.
>>> 
>>> I think at least the newer EV cars do not use resistance heating,
 which
> would be a heavy drain on the batteries, but use a heat pump system
>>> which
> should be more efficient, at 

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

We seriously considered geothermal for the massif we owned in Indiana. This 
would have been 2010, but for a 4,000 SF two story house the total would have 
been around $14,000, less Federal and State incentives bringing our out the 
door cost of around $10,000-$11,000 as I recall. Average monthly bill 
regardless of season was estimated at under $100.

Also, in Indiana the state gave you a cut on your property taxes for installing 
geothermal. It wasn’t a substantial amount, but hey, like Geddy Lee says, “10 
bucks is 10 bucks.”

-D

> On Jan 6, 2022, at 6:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What was the install cost for your geothermal system?  This would work
> great in the mid-Atlantic but has never really caught on.  How much acreage
> did you need?
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 12:02 AM OK Don via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dan, I've lived with heat pumps since 1979 - the earlier ones had resistive
>> backup heat that did come on below freezing. This new one doesn't have any
>> resistive elements. In our main house, we have geothermal, and
>> occasionally the resistive elements would fire up, but I've pulled the
>> cut-off on them so we just have the geothermal now and it's been just fine,
>> even below 0F last winter.
>> No, they don't blow hot air, and the warm air does blow more than a hot air
>> system would, but it's not a problem, at least for us. YMMV.
>> The new mini-split is in the 700 sq ft "guest house" where my wife is now
>> growing veggies all year round -and it replaced a couple of window units
>> (one was a heat pump) and some electric space heaters. The electric use is
>> about a third of what it was last year. When we installed the geothermal in
>> the big house, our total energy cost was cut in half.
>> We're very happy with both of them.
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 8:59 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Don, is the outlet air temperature decent? That's one thing that a lot of
>>> people don't get used to if they've experienced gas or electric forced
>> air
>>> - the outlet temps are generally quite a bit higher than what a heat pump
>>> puts out.
>>> 
>>> I'm curious about this as I don't want to put something in the casita
>> that
>>> won't perform.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via
>>> Mercedes 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 9:34 PM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> Cc: OK Don 
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware
>>> 
>>> The Mitsubishi mini-split we had installed last year is rated for either
>> 5
>>> or 10F. It has been down to 15F so far, and it held the temp just fine.
>> The
>>> temp is supposed to drop to 12F tonight - we'll see.It's also very quiet.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 7:46 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 yes we just had one rated 4F installed in our church rectory.
 the one we put in our house 15 years ago is rated 30F for heat
 
 On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, 6:00 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> Actually, there are heat pumps now rated for lower temperatures. My
> insulation guys in Flagstaff offered me a mini-split that’s good down
>>> to
 4F
> (-15C) for the casita. Granted, I can’t imagine the air temperature
 coming
> out of it would be that great, but it’s supposed to produce heat down
>>> to
> that ambient temperature.
> 
> I passed for now, but I may still do it so I can disable the old gas
>>> wall
> furnace that’s currently in there.
> 
> -D
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 5, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It really isn't a problem for Tesla owners to keep the car warm in
> really cold weather. They just light it on fire and it burns hot for
 days.
>> 
>> Heat pumps for houses don't work here in the winter temperatures.
>>> They
> are fine in spring and fall but come winter, you will be relying upon
> electric heat built in to the heat pump system.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 05/01/2022 2:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Ask the folks in Teslas who were stranded on the interstate in
 Virginia.
>>> 
>>> I think at least the newer EV cars do not use resistance heating,
 which
> would be a heavy drain on the batteries, but use a heat pump system
>>> which
> should be more efficient, at least as long as it's not *too* cold
 outside.
>>> 
>>> I don't know how a half-charged EV vs. a car with a half-tank of
>> gas
> would compare as far as keeping warm enough to prevent hypothermia
>> in a
> "stranded in a blizzard" scenario.
>>> 
>>> Allan
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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[MBZ] Looks like a 1932 luxury car, Mercedes . 1982 Ford Mustang Boss 302 Coupe 2D, $33, 500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Gets lots of praise when going down the road.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/506541480652317

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[MBZ] Crunched 600SL hulk 1993 Mercedes-Benz SL-Class Roadster 2D, $2, 500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1110417719784654

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[MBZ] Estate Sale - 1975 Mercedes-Benz 190 E 2.3 Sedan 4D,$5,500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Unclear what it is but it looks nice

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1014825999376603

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[MBZ] 1997 Mercedes-Benz unsure,$1,500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

1997 Mercedes-Benz Unsure · Coupe · Driven 1,234 miles 1997 I believe 
Mercedes Benz will start up in Ayden North Carolina [hidden information] 
call me if you are interested be a great project car


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[MBZ] 2006 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren 4 puertas,$6,165

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[MBZ] When men were real men -- 1921 Benz-Mercedes Rabbit-the-First - Jay Leno’s Garage

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Let's put this aircraft engine from a downed plane that I buried in the 
back yard in some old chassis and see what happens on the race track


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqN0P0iqids

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Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I can only speak to the 2011 W164 ML diesel.  bought one for my wife at 
the time, it was a nice car, very entertaining what with a very large 
torque rating.  She is still driving it as of a few months ago so from 
that standpoint it seems to have held up OK.  I think I managed to 
instill in her the idea of ongoing maintenance, oil changes and such, so 
I presume she is sticking to some routine in that regard.


The 164 is more civilized than the 163 but might be a bit less capable 
in terms of "truckish" behavior -- the 163 is very solid in that regard, 
off-road and towing, and the 722.6 trans is a solid unit.  The newer 
722.9 version seems more problematic and more finicky but regular fluid 
changes will probably help it behave.  I know nothing about the newer 
models you are looking at, other than seeing them around.


--FT

On 1/5/22 8:47 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote:

I am starting to look for my next Mercedes as I had sold my 1995 E300D because 
is was getting harder to maintain and had close to 500,000 miles. I am looking 
at the ML series 2014-2015. I would like to get back to a diesel car but it is 
not necessary. Just wondering what the better option would be? I do like to 
camp so it currently am towing small popup camper, but may upgrade to larger 
enclosed trailer at some point. I only looked at one vehicle thus far a 2015 
ML350, it has less than 100,000 miles and has most of the options. They are 
asking 19,700 for it.

So if anyone have opinions on my search, please chime in. Not in a real big 
hurry, but would like to do something sooner than later.

I would trade or sell the 2004 BMW X3 that I am currently driving.

Regards,

Bob Massmann
Southwestern Ohio
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[G Mann via Mercedes]

In the real world, cold weather sucks the life out of battery reserves. So,
at wind chill minus 30, range would be much less... then, how do you heat
the car so you can stand to drive and survive... stuck in a snowbank for a
couple days with no recharge [real world that happens] you become a well
preserved frozen artifact not found until the spring thaw, maybe.
The electric car has reality problems that have not been overcome. I will
keep driving Diesels for now.


On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 12:23 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If it really has a 620 mile range (assume real-world ~500) that would be
> quite welcome. Not a fan of the wide screen and other gizmos. Give me a car
> with that range, basic gauges on the dash, a manual climate control system,
> real switches for the headlights, wipers, and other accessories, and I
> might be interested.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > MB Tex was the distant ancestor of vegan upholstery.
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 8:44 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Wasn’t that called “MBTex”?
> >>
> >> --FT
> >> Sent from iFōn
> >>
> >> > On Jan 3, 2022, at 8:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Fisker uses vegan leather too.
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, 7:02 PM Clay via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Vegan leather = Mango fruit leather
> >> >>
> >> >> Clay
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Jan 3, 2022, at 2:57 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >>
> https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38651341/mercedes-benz-vision-eqxx-concept-revealed/
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> OK Don
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
> to
> >> >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >> >>>
> >> >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
> doing.”
> >> >> Wernher
> >> >>> Von Braun
> >> >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> >> >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> >> >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> >> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What was the install cost for your geothermal system?  This would work
great in the mid-Atlantic but has never really caught on.  How much acreage
did you need?

On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 12:02 AM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Dan, I've lived with heat pumps since 1979 - the earlier ones had resistive
> backup heat that did come on below freezing. This new one doesn't have any
> resistive elements. In our main house, we have geothermal, and
> occasionally the resistive elements would fire up, but I've pulled the
> cut-off on them so we just have the geothermal now and it's been just fine,
> even below 0F last winter.
> No, they don't blow hot air, and the warm air does blow more than a hot air
> system would, but it's not a problem, at least for us. YMMV.
> The new mini-split is in the 700 sq ft "guest house" where my wife is now
> growing veggies all year round -and it replaced a couple of window units
> (one was a heat pump) and some electric space heaters. The electric use is
> about a third of what it was last year. When we installed the geothermal in
> the big house, our total energy cost was cut in half.
> We're very happy with both of them.
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 8:59 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Don, is the outlet air temperature decent? That's one thing that a lot of
> > people don't get used to if they've experienced gas or electric forced
> air
> > - the outlet temps are generally quite a bit higher than what a heat pump
> > puts out.
> >
> > I'm curious about this as I don't want to put something in the casita
> that
> > won't perform.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > -D
> > 
> > From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via
> > Mercedes 
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 9:34 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: OK Don 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware
> >
> > The Mitsubishi mini-split we had installed last year is rated for either
> 5
> > or 10F. It has been down to 15F so far, and it held the temp just fine.
> The
> > temp is supposed to drop to 12F tonight - we'll see.It's also very quiet.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 7:46 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > yes we just had one rated 4F installed in our church rectory.
> > >  the one we put in our house 15 years ago is rated 30F for heat
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, 6:00 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Actually, there are heat pumps now rated for lower temperatures. My
> > > > insulation guys in Flagstaff offered me a mini-split that’s good down
> > to
> > > 4F
> > > > (-15C) for the casita. Granted, I can’t imagine the air temperature
> > > coming
> > > > out of it would be that great, but it’s supposed to produce heat down
> > to
> > > > that ambient temperature.
> > > >
> > > > I passed for now, but I may still do it so I can disable the old gas
> > wall
> > > > furnace that’s currently in there.
> > > >
> > > > -D
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPad
> > > >
> > > > > On Jan 5, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It really isn't a problem for Tesla owners to keep the car warm in
> > > > really cold weather. They just light it on fire and it burns hot for
> > > days.
> > > > >
> > > > > Heat pumps for houses don't work here in the winter temperatures.
> > They
> > > > are fine in spring and fall but come winter, you will be relying upon
> > > > electric heat built in to the heat pump system.
> > > > >
> > > > > Randy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> On 05/01/2022 2:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> > > > >> Ask the folks in Teslas who were stranded on the interstate in
> > > Virginia.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I think at least the newer EV cars do not use resistance heating,
> > > which
> > > > would be a heavy drain on the batteries, but use a heat pump system
> > which
> > > > should be more efficient, at least as long as it's not *too* cold
> > > outside.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I don't know how a half-charged EV vs. a car with a half-tank of
> gas
> > > > would compare as far as keeping warm enough to prevent hypothermia
> in a
> > > > "stranded in a blizzard" scenario.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Allan
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 GL450 - 126k miles - $5,900

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Auction flip?  Temp paper plate. No interest in haggling, where’s the fun in 
that

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> On Jan 5, 2022, at 10:44 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Seems a pretty decent price.
> 
> https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/d/lebanon-2007-mercedes-gl450-suv-blue/7429166514.html
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