Re: [MBZ] 124 Tires

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Cool wheels, but I always feel like they are trying too hard. The 15 hole
r129s look stock and allow a wider tire.

On Wed, Sep 6, 2023, 6:35 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> Find a set of monoblocks
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
> > On Sep 6, 2023, at 9:19 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Pick up some 15 hole r129 spares on ebay. They are usually like new and
> you
> > can get a full set of 5 reasonably if you make some offers. They are 7"
> > instead of 6" so it opens up more tire width options. The 7" does not fit
> > into the trunk well perfectly, so you can keep a 6" spare wheel if you
> > want. I cannot recall what tires I put on but kept same diameter and
> went a
> > bit wider with good results on the 420 before I got rid of it
> inadvertantly
> > by crashing it. Sigh.
> >
> >> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023, 11:37 AM Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I watched a couple of Motorweek Retro Reviews (which I really like) and
> >> the were reviewing the 124. The videos I watched were from 86, 90 and
> 92.
> >> In them, Motorweek loved the 124, but was critical of the tires saying
> they
> >> were too narrow and too soft.
> >>
> >> I’m wondering if I could upsize the tires on my 90 300E without changing
> >> the wheels.  I don’t need or want to put stupid-big wheels or tires on
> it.
> >> But, maybe just a slight increase. The current size is 195/65/15.  I
> tried
> >> a few online calculators and I think the 6.5J wheel will allow a tire
> up to
> >> 215.
> >>
> >> I found some 205/65/15 that would likely work. According to the
> >> calculators, it’s a pretty small difference.
> >>
> >> Am I wasting my time? Is that small of an increase going to make any
> >> difference?   I don’t drive aggressively.  My one issue with the current
> >> tires is they are Michelin Premiere a/s which are good tires but they
> tend
> >> to wear quickly.  I have had them on other vehicles and they were
> >> comfortable and quiet, but the lifetime is about half of many other
> >> Michelin.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Tires

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Pick up some 15 hole r129 spares on ebay. They are usually like new and you
can get a full set of 5 reasonably if you make some offers. They are 7"
instead of 6" so it opens up more tire width options. The 7" does not fit
into the trunk well perfectly, so you can keep a 6" spare wheel if you
want. I cannot recall what tires I put on but kept same diameter and went a
bit wider with good results on the 420 before I got rid of it inadvertantly
by crashing it. Sigh.

On Fri, Sep 1, 2023, 11:37 AM Donald Snook via Mercedes <
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> I watched a couple of Motorweek Retro Reviews (which I really like) and
> the were reviewing the 124. The videos I watched were from 86, 90 and 92.
> In them, Motorweek loved the 124, but was critical of the tires saying they
> were too narrow and too soft.
>
> I’m wondering if I could upsize the tires on my 90 300E without changing
> the wheels.  I don’t need or want to put stupid-big wheels or tires on it.
> But, maybe just a slight increase. The current size is 195/65/15.  I tried
> a few online calculators and I think the 6.5J wheel will allow a tire up to
> 215.
>
> I found some 205/65/15 that would likely work. According to the
> calculators, it’s a pretty small difference.
>
> Am I wasting my time? Is that small of an increase going to make any
> difference?   I don’t drive aggressively.  My one issue with the current
> tires is they are Michelin Premiere a/s which are good tires but they tend
> to wear quickly.  I have had them on other vehicles and they were
> comfortable and quiet, but the lifetime is about half of many other
> Michelin.
>
> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] AAA

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

AAA doesnt pay enough. Drivers will take any other call first, even if they
accept the AAA. USAA towing is worthless for the same reason.

Charge air cooling leaks cause a lot of hard to pinpoint issues in these
newer cars.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023, 11:50 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> The issue was the upper intercooler hose came loose. I would have never
> guessed that from the description I was given of the problem.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 3, 2023, at 6:32 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 18:17:34 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> After 3 hours and literally 28 phone calls later they finally got it
> >> home.
> >
> > Congratulations on your persistence paying off!
> >
> >
> >> Wife says the gl jerked and sounded like the engine fell out, it does
> >> forward and reverse but only gets to 20, and sputtering and dies, so
> >> not sure what is going on with it.
> >
> > We will all be waiting to hear what you find.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] What ev to buy

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Chevy Bolt seems like excellent value.

Tesla is getting sued for lying about range in their specs, which they have
been doing for years. This has to impact their energy efficiency, because
they are going less miles in tbe same battery pack charge. So it could be
fraud on an EPA/CARB level.

For some reason I find the brand new Prius to be an attractive car. We make
some longer trips and for me the ability to do that in an efficient, modern
car without worrying where the next charge station is would be a valuable
feature. People drive the wheels off those cars.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023, 8:55 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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> The thing I dislike about hybrids is not the hybrid itself but that people
> buy a big stupid SUV but get a hybrid so its "green"...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 11:44:58 AM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Wouldn’t a hybrid be the gateway vehicle to an EV? Buy a Toyota Venza
> (supposedly a Lexus in Toyota badging) before going electric?
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 4, 2023, at 8:38 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I would consider one for the Flagstaff house. It would be fine for
> running errands. That and have an IC vehicle for longer trips.
> >
> > I'm not remotely close to that decision yet, but it's been in the back
> of my mind.
> >
> > -D
> > 
> > From: Mercedes  on behalf of Andrew
> Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 11:15 AM
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> > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel ; RICK HAWKINS <
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> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] What ev to buy
> >
> > Up until 2017 all EVs except Tesla have a range of around 75 miles.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 12:32 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> Other than tires the only service was a failed 12 volt battery
> >>
> >> Hmm, I first read that as _fires_, not tires.  Freudian slip much?  :-)
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Or just let it idle all night every day.

On Thu, Jul 27, 2023, 10:35 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> I recommend you retain a valet whose sole responsibility is to start your
> extensive fleet on a regular schedule to keep them in fine fettle.
>
> On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 1:30 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I just got it started. It turns out it is an air leak from somewhere.
> > Question is where? I don’t really have time to troubleshoot that right
> now
> > so I’ll just let it be and make sure not to let the car sit.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jul 27, 2023, at 10:10 AM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > That sounds like the classic small air leak in the fuel system,
> letting
> > it
> > > drain while sitting. It will run fine as long as it runs every day, and
> > you
> > > will not likely see fuel dripping. Check every inch (centimeter) of the
> > > lines from the fuel tank to the injection pump.
> > >
> > >> On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 8:37 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks Fred. I might take you up on that generous offer. Meanwhile,
> I’m
> > >> noticing a few more things. First of all, the lever was in the up
> > position
> > >> this morning but the car still would not start although it seems like
> > it’s
> > >> closer to starting. After cranking unsuccessfully, and turning the
> > ignition
> > >> off, I noticed that the lever was back in the down position and when I
> > >> would turn the ignition back on and it would pop up and stay up while
> > >> cranking. Once the ignition was turned off the lever would fall back
> > down.
> > >> I’m not sure what this means.
> > >> I haven’t heard anything from my friends and relatives in Greece!
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 11:06 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Dimitri, Dwight.
> > >>> FWIW.
> > >>> If the lever is down the rack is in the shutoff position and will not
> > >>> supply fuel at all.
> > >>> The vacuum shut-off device could be stuck, maybe? (I have a spare).
> > >>> The pump side plate, when removed, will let you access the rack.
> > >>> I have an OM602 injection pump with 90k mi. that you may have.
> > >>> Confused yet?
> > >>> Fred
> > >>> p.s. I hope your relatives in Greece are ok and not threatened by the
> > >>> wildfires.
> > >>>
> >  On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 9:52 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> > 
> >  wish I could help you Dimitri but it never got a chance to sit as it
> > >> was a
> >  daily driver. worth checking the IP.
> > 
> >  On Wed, Jul 26, 2023, 9:43 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
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> > 
> > > The 1990 300D 2.5 Turbo has been sitting for 5 days and now it
> won’t
> > > start. It glows just fine so I think it’s a fuel issue. The
> injector
> > >> pump
> > > shut off lever is in the depressed position. That doesn’t seem
> > right. I
> >  can
> > > pull it up but it just flops back down. If I hold it up while
> someone
> >  else
> > > cranks it still won’t start. After many cranking attempts it almost
> >  started
> > > a few times but I was afraid to drain the battery or kill the
> starter
> > >> so
> >  I
> > > stopped. Not sure what’s going on. It actually did this to me a
> > couple
> > >> of
> > > months ago after the car sat for a month while I sorted the relay
> > >> ground
> > > issue but it eventually did start. So it seems like when the car
> sits
> > >> it
> > > develops this problem. Maybe it’s an air leak at the injection
> pump?
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Re: [MBZ] Good vid explaining stand-alone ECU programming/tuning

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I know those two guys know each other. Kwiek said he was moving south
awhile back and somehow I thought he was going to work out of Jono's shop.
Probably wrong about that


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> That Kwiekclassics is in Nashville https://www.kwiekclassics.com/ They
> are building some cool cars https://www.kwiekclassics.com/photos
>
> Blue Ridge is in Jawja https://blueridgemb.com/  My side of Atlanta
> maybe 4hr away but looks to be in a small town.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 7/19/23 9:37 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > That's Jonathan ("Jono") at Blue Ridge. Great guy, super knowledgeable.
> Has more work than he knows what to do with, a lot of "cost is no object"
> customers who want high performance cars, like Hammers. If there's a
> conversion to be done, he's probably done it or knows whether or not it's
> feasible.
> >
> > -D
> > 
> > From: Mercedes  on behalf of Karl
> Wittnebel via Mercedes
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2023 9:52 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Cc: Karl Wittnebel
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Good vid explaining stand-alone ECU programming/tuning
> >
> > There is a dude swapping m113k motors etc into various other mercedes
> > chassis at blue ridge. Kwiekclassics on instagram. All aftermarket ecu
> > stuff.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 17, 2023, 12:44 PM Craig via Mercedes
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 15:12:12 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> >>   wrote:
> >>
> >>> Young guy knows his stuff, he's kinda manic in  explaining it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>How to Tune a Standalone ECU - E55 ASL Part 22
> >> PART TWENTY-TWO?! Yes, he must be manic!
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] w126 coolant leak just ahead of rear transmission mount.

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I thought the same thing about antifreeze smell if the heater core was
leaking; my wagon heater core has had a leak like that for at least a
decade and it always smells a tiny bit when it first comes on. Gotta be a
heater hose. Thanks.

On Wed, Jul 19, 2023, 6:17 AM Jim Cathey  wrote:

> > Where could this water be coming from? Coolant has been low again and
> again
> > and it is leaving puddles. The radiator etc just got replaced, so I
> thought
> > it would be coming from the front of the car. But no, it is dripping off
> > this exhaust bracket mount way on the back of the tranny. Makes me think
> > maybe heater related, but of course the heater is not on as it was in the
> > 90s here today. 1.5 gallons got me about 80 miles on the freeway. I carry
> > jugs around. Thanks for any ideas.
>
> Ours had a leaky heater hose just off the back of the engine.  It was a bit
> swollen, and would only leak sometimes.  P/N 126 832 12 94 for the right
> side hose.  (Left is 126 832 28 94.)
>
> The heater doesn't have to be on, the entire coolant system is pressurized
> at all times, whether there's flow or not.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] w126 coolant leak just ahead of rear transmission mount.

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Photo:
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On Tue, Jul 18, 2023, 6:57 PM Karl Wittnebel  wrote:

> Where could this water be coming from? Coolant has been low again and
> again and it is leaving puddles. The radiator etc just got replaced, so I
> thought it would be coming from the front of the car. But no, it is
> dripping off this exhaust bracket mount way on the back of the tranny.
> Makes me think maybe heater related, but of course the heater is not on as
> it was in the 90s here today. 1.5 gallons got me about 80 miles on the
> freeway. I carry jugs around. Thanks for any ideas.
>
> Karl
>
> On Sun, Jul 9, 2023, 9:24 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Low miles but crazy price.
>>
>>
>> https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/cincinnati-for-sale-420-sel-mercedes/7641654314.html
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[MBZ] w126 coolant leak just ahead of rear transmission mount.

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Where could this water be coming from? Coolant has been low again and again
and it is leaving puddles. The radiator etc just got replaced, so I thought
it would be coming from the front of the car. But no, it is dripping off
this exhaust bracket mount way on the back of the tranny. Makes me think
maybe heater related, but of course the heater is not on as it was in the
90s here today. 1.5 gallons got me about 80 miles on the freeway. I carry
jugs around. Thanks for any ideas.

Karl

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> Low miles but crazy price.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Good vid explaining stand-alone ECU programming/tuning

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There is a dude swapping m113k motors etc into various other mercedes
chassis at blue ridge. Kwiekclassics on instagram. All aftermarket ecu
stuff.



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> On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 15:12:12 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
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> > Young guy knows his stuff, he's kinda manic in  explaining it.
> >
> >
> >   How to Tune a Standalone ECU - E55 ASL Part 22
>
> PART TWENTY-TWO?! Yes, he must be manic!
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] I need this for a toy hauler -- Mercedes truck,$35,000

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Nah get a big diesel RV and tow the car trailer behind. Then the team has
onsite housing wherever you go, esp nice for endurance racing.

On Wed, Jul 5, 2023, 9:06 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> Get one of those big race car hauler RV trailers... I need to buy a
> lottery ticket today...
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1017653312561653
>
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Re: [MBZ] Redneck GT

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

You livin' to work, or workin' to live buddy?

On Wed, Jun 14, 2023, 7:08 AM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I won 2.5 million dollars.
> I spent most of it on fast cars, young women, and old whiskey. The rest I
> just squandered.
> Got any spare change, Buddy?
> The end.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 7:03 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The first step to all this is probably to minimize taxes by investing it
> > properly.
> >
> > The next step is to go back to work at WalMart.
> >
> > If he reinvests the 50k annual proceeds he will get somewhere eventually.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 8:17 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Yep, $1M, properly invested, would be a safety net and provide a
> livable
> > > if spartan income indefinitely if needed, or could be a very
> comfortable
> > > retirement eventually if allowed to compound for long enough.
> > >
> > > Most people would not do that, they would spend it all fairly quickly
> and
> > > then be back where they started except now they have all the
> obligations
> > > that come with what they bought.
> > >
> > > If you buy a $500K house and don't have the ongoing income to insure
> it,
> > > pay the taxes, and maintain it, you won't be living there long.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 13, 2023, at 20:53, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> > > >> won $2.5 mil, he quit his job at WalMart
> > > >
> > > > We (engineering crowd, way back when) had this argument with one of
> the
> > > > secretaries, who thought that if she won the $1M prize she'd be
> 'rich'.
> > > We
> > > > all chorus: "No, you won't!".  Especially because if you take it as a
> > > lump it's
> > > > substantially reduced, and otherwise $1M is something like 20 years
> of
> > > $50k
> > > > per year.  $50k/year is NOT rich.  It's nice.  It can even be
> > > comfortable.  But
> > > > it's not rich.
> > > >
> > > > What with inflation since then, I doubt that your goober's situation
> > now
> > > would
> > > > be any different than our speculative situation back then.
> > > >
> > > > It's enough for him to be set for life.  But only if he's wise.
> > > Otherwise he'll
> > > > be looking for work again in a year or three.  The car's a bad start.
> > > >
> > > > He can live like he used to, without having to work, with a few
> modest
> > > > treats and toys along the way.  Anything more extravagant than that
> and
> > > > he's screwed.
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] Redneck GT

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

The first step to all this is probably to minimize taxes by investing it
properly.

The next step is to go back to work at WalMart.

If he reinvests the 50k annual proceeds he will get somewhere eventually.

On Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 8:17 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> Yep, $1M, properly invested, would be a safety net and provide a livable
> if spartan income indefinitely if needed, or could be a very comfortable
> retirement eventually if allowed to compound for long enough.
>
> Most people would not do that, they would spend it all fairly quickly and
> then be back where they started except now they have all the obligations
> that come with what they bought.
>
> If you buy a $500K house and don't have the ongoing income to insure it,
> pay the taxes, and maintain it, you won't be living there long.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023, at 20:53, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> >> won $2.5 mil, he quit his job at WalMart
> >
> > We (engineering crowd, way back when) had this argument with one of the
> > secretaries, who thought that if she won the $1M prize she'd be 'rich'.
> We
> > all chorus: "No, you won't!".  Especially because if you take it as a
> lump it's
> > substantially reduced, and otherwise $1M is something like 20 years of
> $50k
> > per year.  $50k/year is NOT rich.  It's nice.  It can even be
> comfortable.  But
> > it's not rich.
> >
> > What with inflation since then, I doubt that your goober's situation now
> would
> > be any different than our speculative situation back then.
> >
> > It's enough for him to be set for life.  But only if he's wise.
> Otherwise he'll
> > be looking for work again in a year or three.  The car's a bad start.
> >
> > He can live like he used to, without having to work, with a few modest
> > treats and toys along the way.  Anything more extravagant than that and
> > he's screwed.
> >
> > -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 560SEL on BAT

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yeah. Diesel for the win here I think. These gassers are very inefficient.
I will keep pouring premium into ours as long as California will allow, but
fundamentally the car does not need the million ft lb of torque it seems to
have. It is very quiet, however, compared to the klatta klatta.

Anyone know how to get rid of periodic massive gas smell in the trunk and
passenger compartment? Seems worse if I top off the gas, so I am guessing
something is venting kiquid fuel into the trunk or something. There is a
fuel tank vent system which is probably messed up also, given I cannot
remove the (new) gas cap half the time, so maybe that system needs some
attention/parts. 88 560 sel.

On Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 5:46 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> That color actually looks pretty nice. Not flashy but elegant. Somewhat
> stealthy
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
> > On Jun 13, 2023, at 3:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Not a particularly appealing color either.
> >
> > I don't recall - where is Arborg?
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 3:11 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I think I will stick with my diesel.
> >> Sort of looks like he should have had a reserve bid price.
> >> I think this car was for sale here for a while. I don't recall the
> >> asking price but it does look like a nice car.
> >> The fact that it is in Arborg is the clue that it is one that was
> >> offered locally.
> >>
> >> Randy
> >>
> >>> On 13/06/2023 1:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Looks decent but not generating a bidding war (yet), perhaps due to
> >>> Manitoba location.  Here's your chance to own a Modern Mercedes, Randy.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1986-mercedes-benz-560sel-43/?utm_source=dm_medium=email_campaign=2023-06-13
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Re: [MBZ] Differentials

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

All good thoughts. The LSD in the 560 was running the special factory LSD
sauce when it died. No guarantee it had that all of its life.

The wagon ran whatever mercedes recommended for the 120k before I swapped
it out. It had about 80k on it when I bought it and was a two owner car I
think.

I kinda doubt any of us are driving one owner cars. We can put good oil in,
but there is no way to know how often that was changed or what spec was in
it before we owned the car.



On Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 11:20 AM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Question:
> What oil have you used in the diff's that failed?
> Ring and Pinion gears are held in strict position by properly shimmed
> bearings. As long as that strict position is maintained, they will run
> silently. As soon as shim or bearing wear happens the relationship of Ring
> to Pinion shifts, and because it is a complex gear cut relationship,, they
> start to make noise and failure is in their future.. because once a bearing
> fails even a little, it is on par with being "only a little pregnant.."
> It's is going to get more out of tolerance..
> I posit the base cause of failure lies with bearings.. likely pinion
> bearings, since they are smaller and more highly loaded.. further, properly
> lubricated bearings seldom fail and last a long time, thus, my speculation
> is, the culprit in this serial failure could be lubrication used was not up
> to the task it was given...
> Just my thoughts on the subject.. yours may be different..
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 9:52 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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>
> > The original differentials in the 85 wagon and the 88 560sel both started
> > to make progressively louder whirring sounds, so they were on their way
> > out. I replaced both. Wagon had about 211k on the clock and the 560 99k.
> > Not nearly the hundreds of thousands others seem to get.
> >
> > Replacememt on 560 locked up within a few hundred miles with new oil.
> > Diff#2 was loud from the start and had a lot of klunk on downshifts and
> > into reverse. Diff 3 is in the car now and is much quieter, so maybe it
> > will go for awhile.
> >
> > Wagon is a longer story.
> >
> > If I replace the valve cover gaskets on the 560 it should be leak free
> for
> > awhile.
> >
> > K
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 8, 2023, 9:09 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 07/06/2023 1:46 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> > > > Has anyone else run into a serial differential swapping issue . . .
> but
> > > then the replacement on the wagon seems to have blown a seal
> > > > and is trying to seize up while the 560 locked up tight on the 405
> > > > yesterday
> > >
> > > Is there enough play in the bearings on the wagon to have caused the
> > > seal to leak or did the seal just get old and the rubber get harder?
> > >
> > > Was there evidence that the seals were leaking on the 560 as well?
> > >
> > > Running out of oil is no doubt going to cause major differential
> failure
> > > no matter what brand of vehicle.
> > >
> > > Randy
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] I picked up the copart s500

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Maybe I shared this already but I had a new 88 chevy stepside with the v6.
Took it crawling right off the lot on a local trail, power line right of
way. Got to the top of a ridge. Noticed oil pressure gauge bouncing. Looked
outside and oil was pouring off the corner of the front air dam. Shut her
down, coasted back to a service station, dumped some oil in, took it back
to the dealer. Oil cooler line had not been torqued properly at the
factory.

It ran for 29k miles before it started pouring white smoke and dropping oil
pressure again. It probably had three minutes of IDLING run time on dodgy
oil pressure to cause that.

Back to the dealer; they dropped a new short block in it under warranty.
They said every bearing tolerance in the motor was at the overhaul limit.

So that it really all it takes to cook a motor. But it did run for awhile.
I think anything losing pressure under load is really on its last legs if
it runs at all.

On Tue, May 30, 2023, 4:33 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Why sweat what you don’t know. Get the pan replaced, pour some oil in it,
> charge the battery and light it off. I’ll be there’s a better than 50%
> chance it will run. Are the cylinders scored? Who cares if it’s running?
>
> -D
>
> On May 30, 2023, at 7:25 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Of course the other part of this is if somebody tried to start it while it
> was sitting at the auction. From the auction pics the dash was lit of so
> battery was not always dead. If somebody out looking at cars tried to start
> it, could have caused damage. That is unless there is some sort of starter
> lockout if the oil level indicates critical low level. Not sure if that is
> a feature or not. Battery in the car does appear to be taking a charge.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 30, 2023, at 6:20 PM, Curt Raymond  curtlud...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> You never know, we knocked a hole in the Piston Bully last winter and got
> away with it. No knocks, plenty of power...
>
> Curt
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>
> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 7:09 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> I don’t think they even have oil pressure sensors anymore. Looks like they
> hit something for sure. You can’t really see it in this pic but the cross
> member even has a gash in it.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Differentials

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yeah me too. The unblemished record for us is getting shakier, though.

The 85 wagon left my wife and kids on foot when the master brake cylinder
failed and applied the rear brakes continuously. That was unexpected. The
AC fuse melted through the fuse block when the nanny was running the AC
continuously during a hot spell, which was also unexpected. Found a new
fuse block on ebay and added the separate fuse outside the block. Now it is
suffering from some weird driveline issue. Oh well.

I dont mind being stranded by the side of the road; what I do mind is
having the car mechanically lock up and stop IN the road with minimal
warning. I could have made it to the shoulder had there not been a Jersey
wall on the white line for a mile or so at that location for a construction
project. But I couldnt get to the end of the wall before it seized. It was
the fastest I have ever exited a car unexpectedly for sure; a lot of semi
trucks coming up behind.

K


On Wed, Jun 7, 2023, 8:20 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> I get it, I hate being stranded on the side of the road. Hopefully you're
> just having some bad luck. Of all the cars I see broken down on the
> shoulder, they are rarely Mercedes.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023, at 21:48, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Yeah I should think any competent shop could give it a go. But Herbert
> says
> > the rebuilt ones tend to fail about as often as the junkyard ones do.
> > Nobody seems to have the jig they used to determine the pinion position
> > with the least whine, or maybe it was the shim thickness for the axle
> stub
> > bearings that they would swap until it sounded good. Whereas Ford and GM
> > and toyota diffs can be set up with some baby butt cream by just about
> > anyone.
> >
> > If you hear anything promising I would definitely be interested in a
> > reliable solution. Last night I thought maybe I should just work up a
> > swappable toyota setup. Heresy I know. At least this junkyard has a
> > warranty on diffs, so I can cycle through a few as long as they fail
> > promptly.
> >
> > But really it is a reliability and utility thing. If I cant put my wife
> and
> > kids in the car and tell them to head for Phoenix, a car isnt really
> worth
> > the driveway space. This whole "nearly die getting rear ended by a semi
> > because you are too stupid to drive a modern car" idea left a bad taste
> in
> > my mouth. Wasted my whole day to boot and an expensive tow.
> >
> > New junkyard diff is in but abs light came on so I think it needs a
> sensor.
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 7, 2023, 1:55 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> You need to find a differential shop and send them over.
> >>
> >> Other than a major component, like a ring or pinion, I can’t imagine
> they
> >> couldn’t rebuild them back to new.
> >>
> >> Let me ask around…
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> > On Jun 7, 2023, at 3:51 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > My 1987 300TD had a whine somewhere aft. So being a genius I replaced
> >> the
> >> > diff assembly, and it still whined.
> >> > Center bearing, only six months old, was talking to me. Replaced it
> and
> >> > viola quiet as can be.
> >> > YMMV.
> >> > Fred
> >> >
> >> >> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 3:16 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I had similar trouble with my '85 190D. It got very loud before I
> >> replaced
> >> >> it and the replacement was just as loud as that which I removed.
> >> >>
> >> >> The problem here would be, apparently, the fact that they're so good
> in
> >> >> the first place. Remember we're talking about nearly 40 year old cars
> >> here.
> >> >> It's pretty unlikely a diff from an American or Japanese car of the
> same
> >> >> vintage won't have had work done to it already. Nobody makes a
> rebuild
> >> kit
> >> >> because we've never needed a rebuild kit since they didn't fail in
> the
> >> >> first 30 years.
> >> >>
> >> >> Seems like a business opportunity for somebody entrepreneurial which
> I'm
> >> >> not...
> >> >>
> >> >> -Curt
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> &g

Re: [MBZ] Differentials

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Interesting. The wrecking yard here has two more in stock so I will
probably just keep swapping until I get a good one. Thanks.

There is a guy here who claims to have the setup to do a rebuild also. They
are in Irvine or somewhere. He sold me the 500e rear subframe for my 87
wagon project.



On Thu, Jun 8, 2023, 4:48 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I’m told that the only trusted people to do differentials is Stu Ritter’s
> former shop in Denver and Blue Ridge in Atlanta.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jun 7, 2023, at 10:34 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah he has responded to my emails before. Usually telling me to contact
> > someone here in CA that I or my mechanic have already talked to. But it
> is
> > nice to triangulate.
> >
> >> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023, 2:30 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Contact Pierre Hedary and ask him.
> >>
> >> Randy
> >>
> >>> On 07/06/2023 1:46 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Has anyone else run into a serial differential swapping issue? I have
> >> been
> >>> through about four differentials in the past year on the 300td and the
> >>> 560sel. Originals started whining so I thought I was doing a good thing
> >> by
> >>> swapping, but then the replacement on the wagon seems to have blown a
> >> seal
> >>> and is trying to seize up while the 560 locked up tight on the 405
> >>> yesterday leaving the car in the slow lane and me running upstream on
> the
> >>> other side of the jersey wall frantically waving off traffic like that
> >> guy
> >>> in Team America, just waiting for someone to plow into it until the chp
> >>> arrived to shut the whole freeway down. Total drag.
> >>>
> >>> I would happily put a new or factory rebuild in, but since they are nla
> >> and
> >>> no one can figure out the rebuild, I guess its back to boneyard
> roulette!
> >>>
> >>> I thought these things never went out, but as serious transportation
> >>> solution this is making my cars sort of a joke. Time for a Bolt or a
> >> second
> >>> Lexus or something I guess. My Dad has a pickup he has been trying to
> get
> >>> me to drive, so maybe that is the answer. I have never experienced this
> >>> problem before, but there doesnt seem to be a reliable solution. I can
> >>> recall taking the diff out of our 55 convertible in the 1990s and
> taking
> >> it
> >>> to the diff shop to get it rebuilt. Doesnt seem that hard. For some
> >> reason
> >>> a mercedes diff is just a paperweight when it is worn out. Unbelievably
> >>> stupid engineering.
> >>>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Differentials

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

The original differentials in the 85 wagon and the 88 560sel both started
to make progressively louder whirring sounds, so they were on their way
out. I replaced both. Wagon had about 211k on the clock and the 560 99k.
Not nearly the hundreds of thousands others seem to get.

Replacememt on 560 locked up within a few hundred miles with new oil.
Diff#2 was loud from the start and had a lot of klunk on downshifts and
into reverse. Diff 3 is in the car now and is much quieter, so maybe it
will go for awhile.

Wagon is a longer story.

If I replace the valve cover gaskets on the 560 it should be leak free for
awhile.

K

On Thu, Jun 8, 2023, 9:09 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> On 07/06/2023 1:46 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Has anyone else run into a serial differential swapping issue . . . but
> then the replacement on the wagon seems to have blown a seal
> > and is trying to seize up while the 560 locked up tight on the 405
> > yesterday
>
> Is there enough play in the bearings on the wagon to have caused the
> seal to leak or did the seal just get old and the rubber get harder?
>
> Was there evidence that the seals were leaking on the 560 as well?
>
> Running out of oil is no doubt going to cause major differential failure
> no matter what brand of vehicle.
>
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Differentials

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yeah I should think any competent shop could give it a go. But Herbert says
the rebuilt ones tend to fail about as often as the junkyard ones do.
Nobody seems to have the jig they used to determine the pinion position
with the least whine, or maybe it was the shim thickness for the axle stub
bearings that they would swap until it sounded good. Whereas Ford and GM
and toyota diffs can be set up with some baby butt cream by just about
anyone.

If you hear anything promising I would definitely be interested in a
reliable solution. Last night I thought maybe I should just work up a
swappable toyota setup. Heresy I know. At least this junkyard has a
warranty on diffs, so I can cycle through a few as long as they fail
promptly.

But really it is a reliability and utility thing. If I cant put my wife and
kids in the car and tell them to head for Phoenix, a car isnt really worth
the driveway space. This whole "nearly die getting rear ended by a semi
because you are too stupid to drive a modern car" idea left a bad taste in
my mouth. Wasted my whole day to boot and an expensive tow.

New junkyard diff is in but abs light came on so I think it needs a sensor.

On Wed, Jun 7, 2023, 1:55 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You need to find a differential shop and send them over.
>
> Other than a major component, like a ring or pinion, I can’t imagine they
> couldn’t rebuild them back to new.
>
> Let me ask around…
>
> -D
>
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> > On Jun 7, 2023, at 3:51 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > My 1987 300TD had a whine somewhere aft. So being a genius I replaced
> the
> > diff assembly, and it still whined.
> > Center bearing, only six months old, was talking to me. Replaced it and
> > viola quiet as can be.
> > YMMV.
> > Fred
> >
> >> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 3:16 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I had similar trouble with my '85 190D. It got very loud before I
> replaced
> >> it and the replacement was just as loud as that which I removed.
> >>
> >> The problem here would be, apparently, the fact that they're so good in
> >> the first place. Remember we're talking about nearly 40 year old cars
> here.
> >> It's pretty unlikely a diff from an American or Japanese car of the same
> >> vintage won't have had work done to it already. Nobody makes a rebuild
> kit
> >> because we've never needed a rebuild kit since they didn't fail in the
> >> first 30 years.
> >>
> >> Seems like a business opportunity for somebody entrepreneurial which I'm
> >> not...
> >>
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 02:47:24 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via
> Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Has anyone else run into a serial differential swapping issue? I have
> been
> >> through about four differentials in the past year on the 300td and the
> >> 560sel. Originals started whining so I thought I was doing a good thing
> by
> >> swapping, but then the replacement on the wagon seems to have blown a
> seal
> >> and is trying to seize up while the 560 locked up tight on the 405
> >> yesterday leaving the car in the slow lane and me running upstream on
> the
> >> other side of the jersey wall frantically waving off traffic like that
> guy
> >> in Team America, just waiting for someone to plow into it until the chp
> >> arrived to shut the whole freeway down. Total drag.
> >>
> >> I would happily put a new or factory rebuild in, but since they are nla
> and
> >> no one can figure out the rebuild, I guess its back to boneyard
> roulette!
> >>
> >> I thought these things never went out, but as serious transportation
> >> solution this is making my cars sort of a joke. Time for a Bolt or a
> second
> >> Lexus or something I guess. My Dad has a pickup he has been trying to
> get
> >> me to drive, so maybe that is the answer. I have never experienced this
> >> problem before, but there doesnt seem to be a reliable solution. I can
> >> recall taking the diff out of our 55 convertible in the 1990s and
> taking it
> >> to the diff shop to get it rebuilt. Doesnt seem that hard. For some
> reason
> >> a mercedes diff is just a paperweight when it is worn out. Unbelievably
> >> stupid engineering.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023, 9:15 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Differentials

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yeah he has responded to my emails before. Usually telling me to contact
someone here in CA that I or my mechanic have already talked to. But it is
nice to triangulate.

On Wed, Jun 7, 2023, 2:30 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> Contact Pierre Hedary and ask him.
>
> Randy
>
> On 07/06/2023 1:46 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Has anyone else run into a serial differential swapping issue? I have
> been
> > through about four differentials in the past year on the 300td and the
> > 560sel. Originals started whining so I thought I was doing a good thing
> by
> > swapping, but then the replacement on the wagon seems to have blown a
> seal
> > and is trying to seize up while the 560 locked up tight on the 405
> > yesterday leaving the car in the slow lane and me running upstream on the
> > other side of the jersey wall frantically waving off traffic like that
> guy
> > in Team America, just waiting for someone to plow into it until the chp
> > arrived to shut the whole freeway down. Total drag.
> >
> > I would happily put a new or factory rebuild in, but since they are nla
> and
> > no one can figure out the rebuild, I guess its back to boneyard roulette!
> >
> > I thought these things never went out, but as serious transportation
> > solution this is making my cars sort of a joke. Time for a Bolt or a
> second
> > Lexus or something I guess. My Dad has a pickup he has been trying to get
> > me to drive, so maybe that is the answer. I have never experienced this
> > problem before, but there doesnt seem to be a reliable solution. I can
> > recall taking the diff out of our 55 convertible in the 1990s and taking
> it
> > to the diff shop to get it rebuilt. Doesnt seem that hard. For some
> reason
> > a mercedes diff is just a paperweight when it is worn out. Unbelievably
> > stupid engineering.
> >
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[MBZ] Differentials

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Has anyone else run into a serial differential swapping issue? I have been
through about four differentials in the past year on the 300td and the
560sel. Originals started whining so I thought I was doing a good thing by
swapping, but then the replacement on the wagon seems to have blown a seal
and is trying to seize up while the 560 locked up tight on the 405
yesterday leaving the car in the slow lane and me running upstream on the
other side of the jersey wall frantically waving off traffic like that guy
in Team America, just waiting for someone to plow into it until the chp
arrived to shut the whole freeway down. Total drag.

I would happily put a new or factory rebuild in, but since they are nla and
no one can figure out the rebuild, I guess its back to boneyard roulette!

I thought these things never went out, but as serious transportation
solution this is making my cars sort of a joke. Time for a Bolt or a second
Lexus or something I guess. My Dad has a pickup he has been trying to get
me to drive, so maybe that is the answer. I have never experienced this
problem before, but there doesnt seem to be a reliable solution. I can
recall taking the diff out of our 55 convertible in the 1990s and taking it
to the diff shop to get it rebuilt. Doesnt seem that hard. For some reason
a mercedes diff is just a paperweight when it is worn out. Unbelievably
stupid engineering.

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Re: [MBZ] PeachParts Dying?

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Since it changed hands to the vulture capitalists everyone wised up that
their collective wisdom which they shared for free via the forum was just
being repackaged and sold off. A kit of that forum traffic was driven and
facilitated by the original ow ers who oosted a lot of good how to articles
etc with photos and really gave back to the community. No more.

On Fri, Apr 14, 2023, 6:08 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> Forums like BenzWorld are a gold mine of useful information when it comes
> to researching problems with specific models. I’ve belonged to BW for some
> time, but I don’t actively participate any longer. I never participated in
> PeachParts, as I found it to be spotty as far as reliable information,
> focused more on older models, and less granular sections. There’s never
> been a lot of activity there, either.
>
> I find them useful for research when I’m trying to figure out a problem or
> get an idea of what a particular job will require - like the starter on my
> ML550. Almost nothing about it in the W164 section, meaning it’s probably
> not a common issue.
>
> I belong to some model specific groups on FB, but mainly for the ability
> to source parts or cars. There’s little to no information of value to be
> found there, at least not that I've experienced. 99% of what I see there is
> dreck.
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 13, 2023, at 10:18 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Never really cared for forums or groups. Each one is something separate
> to keep up with. Email I manage in one place and it’s just much more
> practical.
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 13, 2023, at 21:47, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> It seems like the MB community keeps declining in good conversation and
> >> intelligence when it comes to these cars.  First we have the email
> lists
> >> which everyone gets to know everybody, and you get reliable and good
> >> help.  Those started dying off as people moved to the forums.  With
> >> that, it because less personable along with some sometimes shady info.
> >> Still some good info to be had.  Then fakebook came along with all of
> >> their groups.  Now, it is even less personable and includes getting
> >> attacked when trying to share accurate and correct info.  Otherwise,
> >> lots of bad info, very little good info.
> >>
> >> On 4/13/2023 8:42 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> There's a company in Canada where internet forums go to die.
> >>> Their business model seems to be buying popular forums and slowly
> >>> killing them.
> >>>
> >>> Did something like that happen to PeachParts forum?
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Re: [MBZ] driveline timing

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Thanks for all the suggestions and comments.

I took this one to a different shop. My main man Herbert is over 80 and not
the fastest sometimes. This car is my primary transportation and the 88
560sel had a chunk of concrete fly through the grill taking everything out
back to the fan, so I needed the wagon back pronto.

Dan they did do a half shaft at the same time, so it could be either the
half shaft or the driveshaft. I thought driveshaft, because I figured that
was an easier mistake to make than the half shaft bolts. But who knows.
Probably my last time taking a car to these bozos.

I will run it up on ramps when I get home and find the dimples to see if
they are aligned. When I shortened the driveshaft on the 124 wagon I had to
find them. It should not be too hard to find these on the 123 with some PB
Blaster or carb
Cleaner to make them jump out.

South Texas is absolutely beautiful this time of year.

Karl

On Mon, Apr 10, 2023, 6:51 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Verify that the center bearing support is actually bolted tightly in place?
> Same for the ends of the driveshaft?
>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 4:38 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > On 10/04/2023 10:03 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> see if one of your tires has a tread separation or something. It acts
> > fine
> > >> for an hour at 80mph then suddenly gets all shaky. Anyway I think it
> > must
> > >> be the driveline as braking and steering have no effect on it.
> > > My one experience with this problem, for sure, didn't have it being all
> > that
> > > intermittent.  See:
> > >
> > >   http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/JSLdline.html <
> > http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/JSLdline.html>
> > >
> > > Short version: the alignment matters, down to the spline level.  Some
> > drivelines
> > > are marked in the castings, some are not.  It is possible to recover
> > yourself,
> > > cheaply, with some work.
> > >
> > > -- Jim
> > >
> > > ___
> >
> > I agree with Jim. I wouldn't think that it would be an intermittent
> > issue if it was the drive shaft out of balance due to improper alignment
> > after repair. One would think it would shake all the time if that were
> > the case. Might shake worse at some speeds but one would think it would
> > have vibration all the time due to imbalance.
> >
> > I would look carefully for some other problem before going back to the
> > driveshaft.
> >
> > Is the engine still running smoothly when the vibration starts?
> >
> > Randy
> >
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[MBZ] driveline timing

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Happy Easter to all the gentiles on the list.

I know the driveshaft halves are balanced and that there is an alignment
mark, but I had the shop drop a new hangar bearing donut into the 85 td and
since then it picked up an intermittent severe vibration which is a bit
random at speeds between 55 and 65 but definitely makes you stop the car to
see if one of your tires has a tread separation or something. It acts fine
for an hour at 80mph then suddenly gets all shaky. Anyway I think it must
be the driveline as braking and steering have no effect on it. Anyone else
experience this? Kind of annoying to pay the shop and then have issues, but
serves me right I guess. It will go back to the shop but wondering if I am
thinking correctly about the symptoms.

Thanks,
Karl
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Re: [MBZ] OT GB1 GameBird

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Very well designed piece of kit.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/building-the-worlds-finest-aerobatic-aircraft-with/id1613754487?i=1000577653001

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> It's a very nice aircraft - made in Bentonville, AR. You can have one for
> only $608,000.
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 12:41 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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>
> > I’m outside working and there is plane flying around. I looked it up it’s
> > a GB1 GameBird aerobatic plane. Thing sounds like a straight piped 350
> with
> > a hot cam, popping and growling like a race car. Kinda cool
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 5-10 years ago this would have been about a $800-$1200 car

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Yeah they are old enough to appeal to the retro-chic crowd like Lady Gaga
now.

On Sat, Jan 21, 2023, 8:28 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> This might be, but used to be it was a select few that wanted them. Now it
> seems everyone does. Seems like perhaps some celebrities had them recently
> now suddenly everyone wants one.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jan 21, 2023, at 10:20 AM, Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > scarcity of supply.
> >
> >> On Sat, Jan 21, 2023, 10:43 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> Seriously, what is the deal these days? Suddenly these are listed for
> stupid money and suddenly when they do list for a somewhat reasonable
> amount, they are sold within hours if not minutes. It used to be I might
> try to sell a car like this for $1500 and it would sit for weeks with no
> bites, eventually might end up selling it for $1200 or so.
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Prevost house

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Good find. Great planes. Hope the spars check out.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2022, 3:49 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
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> That O-235 should make it a nice aircraft! The only "Champ" I've flown was
> a 7KCAB - AEIO-320. We used it to tow gliders back in the day - seldom flew
> right-side-up to and from the airport with the gliders :-)
>
> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:27 PM G Mann via Mercedes  >
> wrote:
>
> > Last covered in Ceconite, and has zero defects that tell me it is
> failing.
> > Next step, once the FAA registration is cleared, and I own the "N"
> number,
> > is to do a very complete annual inspection, with all AD compliance
> brought
> > up to date, along with a wing spar inspection [it has the wood spars it
> was
> > born with, so 75 yr old, time to have a look like my life depended on
> it..]
> > Then, fly it...
> > I "Just happen to have a Lycoming 235 engine" which makes almost double
> the
> > HP of the 65 hp in it now... some time in the future... maybe.. But that
> is
> > a whole new project...
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:14 PM G Mann  wrote:
> >
> > > The Champ has been stored inside the whole time, never saw the light of
> > > day, and it's Arizona, so very dry, little moisture in the air to make
> > > rust. I pulled the prop through, has decent compression, even though
> the
> > > cylinders are likely bone dry of oil. I'll pull the plugs and pre-oil
> the
> > > cylinders, also do what I can to pre-lube the cam and rod bearings. I'm
> > > betting it starts and runs [very low power to start with just to give
> it
> > a
> > > chance to get oil where it needs to go..
> > > Fabric feels strong still, Logs say it was last covered in C
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 4:55 PM OK Don via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I've seen engines that have been sitting for 20+ years started and
> flown
> > >> away - I guess the wear from a flew flights with rusty cam and
> cylinders
> > >> won't make it fall from the sky, and you'd be replacing them anyway
> > during
> > >> an overhaul.
> > >> What fabric does it have? If Ceconite or other dacron, I wonder if
> it's
> > >> still good?
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 1:07 AM G Mann via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Don,
> > >> > Thanks on the Champ. It is a true barn find, well hanger find,
> > actually.
> > >> > It comes with a full set of engine and airframe log books from the
> day
> > >> it
> > >> > left the factory in 1946, which is incredible.  In digging through
> the
> > >> > current history today I discovered it has been setting in the hanger
> > >> where
> > >> > it is since the owner bought it 23 years ago, and not been flown...
> > >> > previous story was 12 years... paperwork says 23 years... so next
> > comes
> > >> a
> > >> > full inspection and return to legal flight status.
> > >> > A fun airplane to fly, if you are not in a hurry... haha... Life in
> > the
> > >> > slow lane = driving a 240D to the airport to fly a Champ... then
> > driving
> > >> > home... that should take up the whole day..
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon, Dec 26, 2022 at 7:48 PM OK Don via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > >> > >
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Cool looking Champ!
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Mon, Dec 26, 2022 at 7:09 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
> > >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Kaleb,
> > >> > > > Thanks  for asking. It is being converted into a deluxe motor
> > coach.
> > >> > The
> > >> > > > chassis is the same one you see used all over Europe. When they
> > were
> > >> > > > imported into the USA, they had to use American made engine and
> > >> > > > transmission, so it is fitted with Detroit V8 diesel, with
> Allison
> > >> > > > transmission, also, the lower deck was used for cargo and
> baggage,
> > >> > since
> > >> > > > the USA safety folks choked at a 100 passenger bus.
> > >> > > > So, for my use, the lower bays are used for things like washer
> > dryer
> > >> > > [full
> > >> > > > size ] deep freeze, pantry, all the batteries and H20 tanks, etc
> > etc
> > >> > > etc..
> > >> > > > [loads of space to use], the upper passenger deck is devoted to
> > >> living
> > >> > > > quarters with all accommodations.
> > >> > > > 40 ft long, 8 ft 6 in wide X 2 ... 11 ft 4 in tall, air ride
> > >> > suspension,
> > >> > > > weighs in at 40,000 lbs, 3 axles, two fuel tanks with 245
> gallons
> > of
> > >> > > "cheap
> > >> > > > diesel" in each one.
> > >> > > > Since Arizona is "little Hades" in the summer, my plan is to go
> to
> > >> > Idaho,
> > >> > > > Wyoming, and Montana in the summer months and take life "easy"
> out
> > >> of
> > >> > the
> > >> > > > heat. AZ is the best place to be from mid Sept to early June,
> and
> > my
> > >> > > intent
> > >> > > > is to be a "sunbird" instead of a "snowbird"...
> > >> > > > Assisted, of course, by a winning lottery ticket and an absent
> > >> > ex-wife...
> > >> > > > 

Re: [MBZ] The Covid

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

What Dan said. Feel better soon!

Karl

On Sun, Nov 27, 2022, 6:47 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> Then you should be able to go to one of the providers they list on the
> website and get it for free. If you’ve tested at home and tested positive
> you shouldn’t have to get tested by them, either.
>
> -D
>
> On Nov 27, 2022, at 9:45 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Yep looks like my medical conditions are on the list
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Nov 27, 2022, at 8:36 AM, dan penoff.com via
> Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> My son went to a walk-in urgent care place.
>
>
> https://aspr.hhs.gov/COVID-19/Therapeutics/Products/Paxlovid/Documents/paxlovid-information-sheet.pdf
>
> -D
>
> On Nov 27, 2022, at 9:33 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> So where do you go to get this stuff? Urgent care, ER? Doctor office? What
> are the conditions they require to get it. What does it supposedly do?
>
> Fever is higher today. I have to be careful with what I take since I’m on
> warfarin. I did take a couple of Tylenol though.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 27, 2022, at 7:09 AM, dan penoff.com<
> http://penoff.com> via Mercedes  > wrote:
>
> Thank you, Craig.
>
> To be truthful, my wife is a cancer survivor. I’m not sure if one can ever
> be considered “cured” once you have it. That being said, I have her
> permission to use her diagnosis it when conditions require it, and this was
> one of those times I invoked the “Big C” as we call it.
>
> The conditions the government requires for getting Paxlovid are stupid and
> unnecessary. There is tons of the stuff available and it should be handed
> out to anyone who is affected as required. It’s not like there’s a shortage
> or it’s extremely expensive.
>
> -D
>
>
> On Nov 26, 2022, at 10:50 PM, Craig  diese...@pisquared.net>> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 02:52:30 + "dan penoff.com<
> http://penoff.com> via Mercedes"
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> I was there and told the doc, “His mom is a cancer patient ..."
>
> Dan,
>
> I'm sorry to hear of your wife's cancer.
>
> May she be healed quickly.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Ignition tumblers

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I had no problem with 123 and 124. The 126 was nla a few months ago,
though.

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> It appears vin coded ignition tumblers are available again for 123, 124
> etc? I have a 124 I might need one for and looked up the part number and it
> shows it can be ordered.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Home built rocket at 293,488ft

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Model rockets can withstand huge acceleration forces, so they tend to use
high impulse, high force motors with fast burn times. Then coast to apogee.
You can model all this stuff in a free program called open rocket. You put
in your dimensions and weights and the motor specs and it tells you how
high it will go and generates acceleration and speed curves for the flight.

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> I did the gravity calculation, using rough numbers.
> A one lb rocket traveling 4000 fps (roughly mach 4 anyway) would have
> 249,000 ft-lb of energy.
> Which is what you'd need to throw it 249,000 feet up a 1G gravity well
> in a perfect vacuum.
> So yes, a rocket traveling at Mach 4.1 can indeed coast more than
> 200,000 feet straight up.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Home built rocket at 293,488ft

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

We do some of that, but inly Level 1 not Level 3. You get a waiver from FAA
and communicate with controlling authority. A lot of these launch from up
near Mojave at the FAR site (Friends of Amateur Rocketry). It has a tower
and concrete bunkers and all.



On Mon, Nov 14, 2022, 7:16 AM OK Don via Mercedes 
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> Yes, you get clearance from the FAA, they route traffic around the area,
> issue a NOTAM, and fine you if you stray from your assigned area. Amaeur
> rockets were launched at the Ft Sill (SW OK) firing range once or twice a
> year when I was a kid - don't know if they still do.
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 6:51 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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>
> > There are a number of areas in the western Nevada desert that are
> > restricted airspace for such things. Rocketry clubs use them for their
> fun
> > and games. I would also expect you would have to file a request with the
> > FAA to put up a NOTAM for such activity as well.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Nov 13, 2022, at 10:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> how did they get permission to do that?
> > >
> > > Probably didn't ask?
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: EV kisses.

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Maybe my Hertz Tesla has some sort of sport suspension on it. But why would
Hertz do that? It just seems to be very stiffly sprung with limited
suspension travel. I have never been in a car that hobby horses over uneven
pavement like this thing. Frost heaves are what did Pobst in at Pikes Peak.

Johnny Cash's old Rolls was at my upholstery guy's shop a few months back
with a whole new electric drivetrain in it. I think that might actually be
a better car than this Y thing. I can see a 560 chassis responding well to
electric treatment. But the problem with all this hot rod stuff is lack of
support. Unless you are a garage hero with electric motors, where do you
turn when something acts up, like the heater or AC? Hope to live near the
conversion shop I guess.

Tesla seems to have pushed the motors and heating/cooling loops for cabin,
battery and motors/transmission to very elegant levels of sophistication
and efficiency, from what I read anyway. But the majors will close that gap
quickly. Toyota just launched an iron lithium battery car in China -
totally new tech for cars and no degradation of battery capacity over time
with less fire risk apparently.

I can see long haul trucks going hydrogen fuel cell for more range.

K

On Sat, Nov 12, 2022, 9:27 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I drove a Model S a few years ago, I don't remember it handling poorly but
> it's the top model car...
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 10:08 AM, Kevin Kraly
> wrote:   Mercedes content: Our 2019 Sprinter had no tactile buttons or
> knobs for radio presets either. However, it did have the capability of
> voice activation so I was able to say “Play 98.7 FM,” and it would
> immediately obey my command. I could also turn on the seat heater, check
> fuel economy instantaneous/average, and probably a few other things.
> I did get to experience Tesla acceleration since I got an Uber driver who
> was more than happy to show off his new Model III. I got to feel the
> dashboard touchscreen since I was able to ride in the front passenger’s
> seat before COVID. Go kart ride and handling comments are spot on.
> Kevin in Lexington, NC
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 12, 2022, at 9:30 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > My new pickup has no tactile buttons for radio presets which is
> irritating. At least it has knobs for HVAC...
> >
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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> >  On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 9:03 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  If I'm understanding Karl correctly, my
> hate for the touchscreen crap
> > has multiplied tenfold.
> > Having to take my eyes off the road and focus on a tactile free screen
> > to do anything is a safety hazard.
> > What pisses me off to no end is when my Chevy puts up a long paragraph
> > of verbiage on the screen, and requires me to hit the "OK, I actually
> > read all that bullshit while driving" button to bring the radio display
> > back up. What's all the verbiage? A warning to not read the damn screen
> > while driving!!!
> > Makes me want to drive into a tree just so I can sue GM.
> >
> > But aside from the aforementioned horribly unsafe safety warning, I can
> > live with the Chevy. The channel preset buttons are big, you can
> > eventually learn approximately where they are, and you're better off
> > using the buttons on the back of the steering wheel to just jump up/down
> > the channel list anyway.
> >
> > Having to negotiate levels of menus while driving makes me think the
> > best use of the Tesla would be to puncture the batteries, throw it off a
> > bridge an enjoy the fireworks when it hits the water.
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: EV kisses.

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Man the stereo is insane though. Almost makes up for the fact that it
handles like a RedBull soap box derby racer.

View out the front is beautiful.

Climate is controlled very well.

Definitely a computer with wheels and a motor.

It shows little diagrams of everything you are driving by, for no apparent
reason, as it doesnt seem to do much with the info. It beeps at you when
the light turns green, which helps you get a text sent at the red light
without slowing anyone else down, which I am not sure is any kind of
technical victory but more like enabling an alcoholic.

Unbelievably crappy ride.  And it makes some sort of a clunk which sounds
like a suspension component gone rogue. This has been a known issue with
some of the early forgings and ball joints. I mean come on - if you are
going to skimp, do it somewhere else.

Combustion engines definitely save people from themselves. Max torque at
zero rpm is kind of insane. And pedestrians tend to underestimate your
speed or think you are farther away than you are because it makes no sound
speeding up. It slows really fast and intuitively with just the accelerator
pedal so it moves like something out of the Matrix speeding up and slowing
down so much more readily and naturally than a gas car. To get a gas car to
do the same thing, you have to burn immense amounts of gas through gear 1
and high rpm, which is not reclaimed with braking and you think "hey I'll
just take it easy and save some fuel". But it seems free on batteries with
regen braking, as I am paying squat for the energy. So this is just another
level of around town speed up and slow down, as I expected but no one
including me seems ready for the capability of the thing. We are in close
traffic through Beverly Hills and honestly the car tempts you to do things
you should not and makes them seem perfectly reasonable. It does not need
400 or 700hp or whatever it has. If they get that Aptera thing figured out
and it has real controls and no gimmicks I would probably prefer it.
Actually I would prefer a bike maybe with some electric assist, but I
prefer to live longer than LA traffic would allow, if I can.




On Fri, Nov 11, 2022, 6:03 PM mitch--- via Mercedes 
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> If I'm understanding Karl correctly, my hate for the touchscreen crap
> has multiplied tenfold.
> Having to take my eyes off the road and focus on a tactile free screen
> to do anything is a safety hazard.
> What pisses me off to no end is when my Chevy puts up a long paragraph
> of verbiage on the screen, and requires me to hit the "OK, I actually
> read all that bullshit while driving" button to bring the radio display
> back up. What's all the verbiage? A warning to not read the damn screen
> while driving!!!
> Makes me want to drive into a tree just so I can sue GM.
>
> But aside from the aforementioned horribly unsafe safety warning, I can
> live with the Chevy. The channel preset buttons are big, you can
> eventually learn approximately where they are, and you're better off
> using the buttons on the back of the steering wheel to just jump up/down
> the channel list anyway.
>
> Having to negotiate levels of menus while driving makes me think the
> best use of the Tesla would be to puncture the batteries, throw it off a
> bridge an enjoy the fireworks when it hits the water.
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[MBZ] Fwd: EV kisses.

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

See below for day 2 report Somehow it went only to Andrew.

For Day 3 I will only add that the fore and aft hobby horsing is super
annoying and I dont know what their chassis dynamics people are smoking.

Still have not charged it.

No key or off switch still annoying. I leave my kid inside and if I take
the key along I am worried it is going to lock him in or some other dumb
unforeseen consequence.

Headlights are exceptionally good.

Very quiet.

Sitting parked with all climate stuff still running is handy.

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From: Karl Wittnebel 
Date: Thu, Nov 10, 2022, 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV kisses.
To: Andrew Strasfogel 


Day 2:

Driving a Tesla is sort of like having a business partner. You kind of
negotiate with it to get it to do what you want, which is usually 3 menus
deep. I think if they just simplified this thing and put all the controls
for climate and seat heaters and cameras somewhere intuitive, it would be a
lot easier to operate.

The steering is OK but the chassis dynamics over bumps are truly abysmal.
If you get it porpoising it has a fast resonance fore and aft like a car
with no suspension. Randy Pobst wrecked one at Pikes Peak two years ago for
this reason; when the whole car goes up it has a ton of momentum from the
battery and doesnt want to settle back down. He almost wrecked the model S
this year for similar reasons; bounced in a corner.

Interior quality feels about like a lower end Toyota. It seems like the
Ford of electric cars. I see a ton of Audi E-trons here and Taycans and now
I know why; the Tesla interior is very average. Fine, but not for 50k.
Electrics are still too expensive for what they do.

No gas station is definitely a win. Not sure it is worth the headache of
this thing.

My kid is doing an air particulate project for 6th grade and cars do
produce a lot of 2.5 micron particles that are associated with all kinds of
poor health outcomes. He is making filters to reduce that stuff and
measuring it in the classroom, comparing filter designs. So the electric
cars probably win there. Not a big deal outside the city but here there are
thousands of cars passing his school twice a day stop and go idling with
brake dust etc. So an interesting thing to consider but definitely point
source emissions are a plus for the electrics in densely populated areas.

Would be fun to try a Lucid Air. But expensive. The Aptera might be cool as
a sort of motorcycle substitute. But the Checy Bolt has to be the best deal
in electrics for commuting. Another 7500 spif from the feds coming in Jan.

On Wed, Nov 9, 2022, 11:42 AM Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> Are those other vehicles you mentioned EV or gas?
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 2:39 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> The wagon got swiped by some dude at school dropoff, so his insurance is
>> paying for me to drive a Tesla for a couple weeks. Model Y. Basic model.
>>
>> There are some things to get used to, for instance you dont turn the car
>> off. You just put it into park and get out and walk away and it locks
>> itself up.
>>
>>  The screen is like learning a new software program. Works well for t gh e
>> mostpart but not what I am looking for when I get in a car. It would be
>> better with some manual a/c controls.
>>
>> Rarely use the brakes at all. Taking foot off accelerator brings the car
>> to
>> a halt more aggressively than I usually brake.
>>
>> The auto steer chirps for no apparent reason sometimes to save me from
>> myself I guess.
>>
>> Handling is like driving a stiffly sprung SUV. Definitely not a luxury
>> ride.
>>
>> Ridiculously quick. I find myself accelerating to speeds I would never
>> consider in the diesel between stop signs for example.
>>
>> The driver assist stuff is all helpful to keep you from running into stuff
>> and make you aware of your surroundings. These cars are going to be
>> involved in fewer acceidents than normal cars, for sure.
>>
>> So yes they make speed boring but in general it seems hard to argue with
>> it
>> for a city car: no point source emissions, quiet, crashworthy, less brake
>> dust, cameras all over constantly recording, never go to a gas station or
>> get your oil changed. If you dont need a truck and can spend 50k on a car
>> there are far dumber vehicles to buy for most americans. Radio is truly
>> excellent and kids love the glass roof.
>>
>> I really want one of those new corolla grx things though. 300hp on 1.6L
>> has
>> to be some kind of record for a production car and they probably will not
>> make them very long. Owning a Lexus gx460 for four years has made me a
>> toyota fan.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2022, 5:00 PM Curt Raymond via Merced

Re: [MBZ] Why Does This Appeal to Me?

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Because those are awesome cars. Super simple, overengineered, slightly
underpowered, very comfortable. At 6'3 I can stretch out in the back of a
240 in a sleeping bag. Not in a 300td - have to go diagonal.

They made a diesel v6 but wow is it a dog.



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Re: [MBZ] EV kisses.

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The wagon got swiped by some dude at school dropoff, so his insurance is
paying for me to drive a Tesla for a couple weeks. Model Y. Basic model.

There are some things to get used to, for instance you dont turn the car
off. You just put it into park and get out and walk away and it locks
itself up.

 The screen is like learning a new software program. Works well for t gh e
mostpart but not what I am looking for when I get in a car. It would be
better with some manual a/c controls.

Rarely use the brakes at all. Taking foot off accelerator brings the car to
a halt more aggressively than I usually brake.

The auto steer chirps for no apparent reason sometimes to save me from
myself I guess.

Handling is like driving a stiffly sprung SUV. Definitely not a luxury
ride.

Ridiculously quick. I find myself accelerating to speeds I would never
consider in the diesel between stop signs for example.

The driver assist stuff is all helpful to keep you from running into stuff
and make you aware of your surroundings. These cars are going to be
involved in fewer acceidents than normal cars, for sure.

So yes they make speed boring but in general it seems hard to argue with it
for a city car: no point source emissions, quiet, crashworthy, less brake
dust, cameras all over constantly recording, never go to a gas station or
get your oil changed. If you dont need a truck and can spend 50k on a car
there are far dumber vehicles to buy for most americans. Radio is truly
excellent and kids love the glass roof.

I really want one of those new corolla grx things though. 300hp on 1.6L has
to be some kind of record for a production car and they probably will not
make them very long. Owning a Lexus gx460 for four years has made me a
toyota fan.

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> I drove a Tesla model S a couple years ago. Dimitri only says the driving
> experience is insipid because he's never driven one.
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>   On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 7:58 PM, OK Don via Mercedes<
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> acceleration, till the battery dies.
>
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> > Haha. Well I’m not saying that guys who drive EVs are gay, I’m suggesting
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> > > are you sure? That appears to be a woman he is kissing.
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Re: [MBZ] Preaching to the Converted

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I think I have put about 120k on the wagon in daily driving since 2001. I
still drive it to work daily and on any longer trips to save gas over the
560. About an hour each way up the grapevine and back every Tuesday at 70+
mph. Violin lessons with the dog in back on Saturdays; bike rack on the
trailer hitch. It hauled my international canoe on the roof up and down the
Eastern Seaboard from Gananoque to Sarasota for eight years. Head gasket
started leaking in Rhode island on a trip and I ran the coolant low and
overheated it; this was 15 years ago; borrowed a glass coffee pot from a
Dunkin Donuts and filled it back up and kept driving for another 10 years
before replacing the head. So not without maintenance. But still feels
quite safe.

The tailgate guide rubber on the sides has finally died and I emailed
Latvia but no reponse yet.

Hole in the floor pan so no accelerator pedal.

New carpet last year; may go full leather interior this year.

Front w126 brakes. Master cylinder failed. Pedal is hard it should have a
126 booster probably.

Anyway I agree what else do you see on the road being used daily after 37
years? This car has saved me so many tickets. Except that time at night at
the Pentagon when the feds were tailgaiting me so I sped up and then they
pulled me over for speeding. Complete a-holes. Federal court. It was like
entrapment. Fortunately the federal prosecutors were more reasonable at the
Alexandria courthouse.

I keep thinking I should put a rebuilt motor in it while there are still
parts.

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> but, I have to say that I continue to marvel at the quality of my old
> Mercedes. It is 47 years old and has it's little idiosyncrasies, but it
> is a darned good car. I won't be here to see what the current crop of
> vehicles will be like in 47 years but I highly doubt they will match my
> old car.
>
> Some years I have driven it very little. This year, in the later summer
> and through the fall, I have been driving it back and forth to my office
> most days and I cannot help but be impressed. The diesel is of course a
> bit noisy, but I sort of like listening to it. I don't have a radio in
> the car at the moment but I likely wouldn't listen to it in any event.
> It would mostly just be filler for the hole in the dash. It is no hot
> rod but for the driving I have been doing, it is fine. I am in no risk
> of being run down when I leave stop signs or traffic lights. It is a bit
> disappointing that fuel has become more expensive than gasoline but the
> car makes decent mileage so it is not that much of a penalty.
>
> The car is about to be put away for the winter as snow is in the
> forecast but such is life in the GWN. I need to get the winter tires
> onto my truck this weekend.
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[MBZ] OT covid

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

In case anyone cares: The latest on ivermectin for covid; basically no
better than placebo in time to recovery for over 30yo outside the hospital.
This is a randomized controlled trial, which is pretty much the strongest
type of design for proof in a clinical trial:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2797483

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Re: [MBZ] 400E

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It is just that half the coils may decide not to fire, but the onboard
diagnostics, such as they are, will spit out some code that doesnt tell you
anything about that. Or anything else. Throttle body and wiring harnesses
are kind of the minimum to start. Then ezl modules and the rest of the
electronic boxes up front. And that weird ignition module inside the front
fender. Cool car for sure but not worth the headache imho as a driver.

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> >>
> >> I looked at this 92 400E today. Guy bought it at estate sale after it
> had sat for 6yr and did some kinda hack work on it. Body and interior
> mostly very nice. Seats look new, smells new. No rust, underneath and whole
> car actually very clean. Engine ran really bad. Needs some work which is
> mostly fuel and intake and hoses and ignition stuff. Couldn’t drive it to
> check out trans and steering etc. tires looked original, dry and cracked.
> I’m gonna LOBALL the guy tomorrow and see what he says. Could be a very
> cool car.
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Re: [MBZ] 1979 300TD - 200k miles - $7,000

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At this rate I will still be driving the '85 when I retire. It will need a
short block at some point I guess, but it gets great mileage and hauls a
lot. Cruise control must have blown a fuse today or something; I already
had the amp rebuilt and rarely use it but it just stopped doing anything
today. But it just keeps going. Maybe they should give some
environmentalism award or an HOV sticker to anyone driving a car more than
20 years old that gets more than 20 mpg, on the basis of all the
environmental imact they have avioded by not buying a new car every 5 years
like everyone else for the past few decades.

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> Poky NA diesel worth maybe $4k.
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 3:31 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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>
> > Front seat padding is gone. Looks like headliner is falling. Some rust
> and
> > dead paint.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] EV's

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I don't know who "they" are and I have know idea what they want, but here
in LA an electric car already makes a lot of sense for a lot of people. If
the prices ever come down, they will be the best option for maybe 70% of
vehicles on our roads. Just from a cost of ownership and convenience
perspective. A lot of families could have one EV and one ICE, rather than
two ICE cars.

One of the big advantages in a major metro is no point source emissions. It
will clean up our air quite a bit. It is hard to imagine how much exhaust
comes off the 405 every day. We live just over the hill from it.

Anyway I don't see diesel trucks going anywhere soon unless we get a lot
more serious about rail infrastructure. There is a lot of infrastructure
that would need to be built to make EVs more broadly practical than they
are also.

The electic grid would be fine. The impact would be less than the advent of
residential AC. Just build it up if needed. But they will all charge off
peak anyway, just the way my thermostat already gets turned up
automatically when demand is high on hot evenings.

Not a solution to every problem but EVs are a good solution to a lot of
problems. If we got serious about separating bike lanes from car lanes and
making cycling truly safe like they did in Holland, tons of people would
ride bikes here in LA and a lot of them would be electric. An electric bike
is an impressive thing. Much more impressive than electric cars, from a
power to weight perspective. If they can ever get this Aptera thing off the
ground, it would really be a cool mode of commuter transport. Until then a
velomobile with a power hub is as close as it gets. Electric skateboards
are also impressive, but less safe. Those One Wheel things will apparently
go 100 miles on a charge or something. They weigh nothing.

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> > These things are still toys, only suitable for well-defined commuting.
> Not work.
>
>
> There was an OT Benzworld thread on EVs  that popped up on an email feed.
> This is my response.
>
> Unless John Deere is going to make electric combines and tractors,
> locomotives stop using diesel fuel, and semi trucks become electric, EVs
> are a virtue signal. A refinery can only skew the crude crack a few
> percentage points one way or the other as far as end products go. You like
> asphalt on your roads? You need to refine crude. You like plastic for all
> the purposes it serves? You need to refine crude. If you still refine crude
> and have no demand for gasoline, the price drops precipitously or it
> becomes a waste product to be flared off, much like natural gas on an oil
> rig. There is currently no fuel source with as much Btu capacity per pound
> as refined petroleum products, save perhaps nuclear energy.
>
> Build thorium powered nuclear plants, use Fischer Troupsch to turn coal
> into diesel and gasoline and the planet is saved. TPTB don't want a
> solution. They want control.
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Re: [MBZ] 400E

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Run away.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, 7:19 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> I looked at this 92 400E today. Guy bought it at estate sale after it had
> sat for 6yr and did some kinda hack work on it. Body and interior mostly
> very nice. Seats look new, smells new. No rust, underneath and whole car
> actually very clean. Engine ran really bad. Needs some work which is mostly
> fuel and intake and hoses and ignition stuff. Couldn’t drive it to check
> out trans and steering etc. tires looked original, dry and cracked. I’m
> gonna LOBALL the guy tomorrow and see what he says. Could be a very cool
> car.
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Re: [MBZ] Bullseye

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Oh I see someone already posted.

Its a P3 Orion - not a c130.

Almost got mowed down by two c130s off Oxnard yesterday at 4500.



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> that stuff. Those things are built like brick doghouses.
>
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> > Hey, let's fly a WC130 through that CAT5 and see how it goes...
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Re: [MBZ] Bullseye

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Hope you found some high ground Dan!

Gotta follow Tropical Nick Underwood for the Inside track:

https://twitter.com/TheAstroNick/status/1575152959767322625?t=XzBB3d0rCNyv0YJsKAz_-w=19

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> Reverse surge in Tampa Bay:
> https://news.yahoo.com/water-tampa-bay-recedes-dramatically-171627070.html
>
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 3:21 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
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> > This could be Manila.
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 3:20 PM mitch--- via Mercedes <
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Re: [MBZ] 560 sel differential? 1988

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Thanks. I put a used one in the 300td this year already. Not a good year
for differentials apparently.

I put a wavetrac LSD into the 606 wagon. That is the only one I have
rebuilt. Did not touch the pinion so I just bolted it back together.

I suspect the howl is from the pinion. There seem to be a lot of these old
LSD 560 diffs for sale, so I wonder if they fail more often for whatever
reason. Anyway there is an ebay one not too far from me so I will put some
bearings and seals in it and do the swap.

Thanks,
Karl

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> In the one diff that I had to rebuild back when I was a paid wrench, the
> noise was coming from the pinion gear - it was visibly worn. We replaced
> the gears and bearings, after waiting months for the special order Volvo
> parts, and sent it on its way, happy and quiet.
>
> I'd vote for getting a used diff, inspect/repair it, then do the swap.
>
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> > Anyone have an old 2.42 diff from a 126? The USA sel cars had LSD, but
> not
> > critical. Mine is whining. I guess I could put new bearings in and see if
> > that fixes it, but I wonder if it is a bearing or gears that fail.
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[MBZ] 560 sel differential? 1988

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Anyone have an old 2.42 diff from a 126? The USA sel cars had LSD, but not
critical. Mine is whining. I guess I could put new bearings in and see if
that fixes it, but I wonder if it is a bearing or gears that fail.
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Re: [MBZ] Tool Boxes

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Craftsman has some higher spec stuff that is ok. Polished chrome finish.

Last two new chests I bought were benchtop Kobalt from Lowes. Nice enough.

Main 60" box is SnapOn from Craigslist. Great box. I think I paid 1200.
Worth every penny. Used is pretty good unless all beat to hell, which most
are not if high quality.

Picked up some old proto stuff from a guy clearing out his hangar. Got a
radial arm saw, two Kennedy machinist chests full of gauges and lathe
tooling and two crusty cabinet boxes for 400. Might have been too much, but
pribably not.

On Wed, Sep 7, 2022, 12:50 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> For what it’s worth, I wouldn’t buy current model Craftsman tools, either.
> All of mine are legacy tools that either I purchased or were handed down to
> me from my Dad. Reminds me that I need to order some rebuild kits for my
> ratchets….
>
> The tools that are in those new Craftsman boxes are nearly all HF “Quinn”
> brand, and I’m very pleased with them so far.
>
> -D
>
> On Sep 7, 2022, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> I quit buying Craftsman the first time I bought an SK ratchet. It opened
> my eyes to how bad Craftsman products post 2000 have been. Their wrenches
> in particular are pure garbage, barely smoothed, never mind polished, with
> clear casting seams on them. HF wrenches are better quality for half the
> price.
>
> More recently I've bought a few HF ratchets, I was initially wary of them
> but they've been excellent. I've got a 1/2" drive extendo at camp that I've
> stood on, it's only like 18" long but that's still 300+# at the ratchet
> pawls. It's held up fine. At home I've got one of the 3/8" bending head
> ones, works great for very little money.
>
> -Curt
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 02:31:39 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via
> Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
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>
>
>
>
> I wonder when the Craftsman stuff will be on sale again? It’s $598
> currently at my Lowes.
> I’ll be down by the HF later today so I might pop in and give them a look.
>
> AZBob
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> On Sep 7, 2022, at 10:58 AM, dan penoff.com via
> Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> When I was looking for a roll-around box for the Flagstaff shop I got a
> Craftsman set (bottom box w/drawers, top box w/drawers) from Lowe’s and
> I’ve been very happy with them.
>
> This is the set I got:
>
>
> https://www.lowes.com/collections/CRAFTSMAN-S2000-26-in-Red-Closed-Till-Tool-Storage-Collection/GR_2971
>
> And yes, $500 is a chunk of change for storage, but it’s one area where
> the adage about “you get what you pay for” really plays out.
>
> -D
>
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>
> So….What is the common consensus of the best toolbox you can get? I don’t
> need the little plastic tacklebox looking things, I mean the nice large
> drawers, ball bearings, whatever makes them awesome ones.
> I am consolidating three separate boxes into one. Well at least that’s my
> intention. I am also retiring a large, old, metal chest of drawers that
> once was used to hold sewing patterns. I have it full of random crap that
> I’m either gonna get rid of or sell and one of those drawers has useful
> tools that will have to be consolidated into a toolbox.
>
> What’s good, homies?
>
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Re: [MBZ] 88 560sel

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Unclear. That will be the first order of business.

On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> How long and what kind of driving since last fluid and filter change?
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, at 20:39, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Ol girl missed the 2-3 shift today. Shifted into 3 on a hard accel, then
> > backed out and revved free like the clutch disengaged. I let off the gas
> > and it reengaged. Drove home.
> >
> > So far no other problems with this tranny. Doesnt seem to slip. Shifts
> > hard.
> >
> > Anybody have a similar experience in a similar car?
> >
> > Thanks,
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[MBZ] 88 560sel

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Ol girl missed the 2-3 shift today. Shifted into 3 on a hard accel, then
backed out and revved free like the clutch disengaged. I let off the gas
and it reengaged. Drove home.

So far no other problems with this tranny. Doesnt seem to slip. Shifts
hard.

Anybody have a similar experience in a similar car?

Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] OT: BMW X5

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Pull the motor. You can probably just weld the bosses solid again and
redrill them. Or find a junkyard motor and swap it out.

On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 12:16 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
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> Jim, remind me the X5’s year and engine? I have a BMW friend that may
> chime in.
>
> AZBob
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> > On Aug 29, 2022, at 11:49 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes <
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> >
> > On 2022-08-29 14:34, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> Have to pull the intake manifold and everything on the side.
> >> Which _I_ didn't want to do.  Which is why I hired the 'professional'
> >> to take care of the problem.
> >> He did a worse job than what I feared I would do.
> >
> > The last two times I hired a specialist to do something I didn't have
> the proper tools for, they buggered it far worse than I could have properly
> dreamed of. The one I remember best, I spent 4x as much time taking it to
> them as it would have taken me to do it myself, and they considered the
> damage they did to be proper work. That was over 20 years ago, and it was
> the last straw for me.
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Re: [MBZ] More State Farm

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Yes recent BAT sales are good ammo.

If this is anything like USAA, you refuse the offer and then hire an
appraiser. Most of their work is done by video these days, so it doesnt
matter who you get. The ins co also hire an appraiser. Those two agree on a
value, and that is the offer. If they do not agree, it goes to arbitration.
All this is or should be in your policy documentation.

In the case of my 95 e420, the offer went from 4k to 14k. Would have been
far cheaper for them to pay the 8k to fix it, but they did not. The buyback
on it from copart was too high, so that was the end of it for me.
Incidentally I do not recommend that car. Ignition and wiring complex,
fragile and no modern diagnostics. Also too fast and would swap ends
dropping into 2nd gear.

K

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 5:04 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> Actually there are plenty of BAT sold listings for these that are WELL
> over NADA.  That should work.
>
> On 8/18/2022 6:59 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > 99 E300, 233k miles.  Very well sorted out car, very very clean car. I
> > would say it is at the upper end of the scale as far as these go.
> > That is why I am somewhat inclined to have it fixed professionally,
> > but at the end of the day it is a car I paid $1500 for with 190k on
> > it, with a bad conductor plate.  Since then, it has had full service
> > as needed, injectors rebuilt, new Bilstein shocks all around, it has
> > the black trim along the front bumper broken and the underpan cover as
> > well,  replaced those.  Literally rebuilt the ac system with new
> > compressor, expansion valve etc. Also has a new heater control valve.
> > Parts are here to replace the center support and flex discs.  Paint is
> > in very good shape except for that RF fender that looks like it was
> > repainted at some point and has become chalky.  New brake pads and
> > rotors all around.  I know all that stuff does not add any value
> > necessarily.  Oh yea, just solved the passenger seat mystery with
> > installing the missing fuse so now literally everything on the car works.
> >
> > On 8/18/2022 6:52 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >> That’s pretty good. You may very well have a chance, but if the cost
> >> to repair is more than 50% or so of the market, they probably won’t
> >> pay to repair it. This should be interesting to see how they respond.
> >>
> >> What were the details on the car? Model, year, miles, etc.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 7:50 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Nada shows low retail at $4600, average at $6350, and high at
> >>> $11050.  KBB shows range of $3731 to $6317.  I need to also look at
> >>> some comps that have sold, or are listed for sale.  If anybody
> >>> happens to come across any, send them my way.
> >>>
> >>> On 8/18/2022 6:19 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>  The insurer is going to claim the car is worth something like $3k
>  and offer that as a payoff and total it. I highly doubt they would
>  even consider paying out the cost to repair based on the age,
>  mileage and condition.
> 
>  Now is the time Kaleb should be gathering data to support a higher
>  valuation. That’s the battle that’s going to be fought.
> 
>  -D
> 
> > On Aug 18, 2022, at 7:00 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > On 2022-08-18 17:58, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Took the car by the State Farm approved shop that is about 20
> >> minutes
> >> away. Guy seemed real nice and knowledgeable. He said it does not
> >> appear to have b pillar damage, just the frame of the door bent.
> >> Anyway, their estimate was only about a grand less than the MB
> >> certified shop at around $4800. He said he doubts they will fix
> >> it and
> >> it will probably be a battle. So, I guess we will see what fun
> >> happens
> >> from here.
> > $4800, according to the shop chosen by the at fault driver's
> > insurance company?
> > And no structural damage? Did the MB certified shop agree with
> > that diagnosis?
> > If you could get a check for $4800 and switch a door yourself,
> > that sounds like a win.
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Re: [MBZ] diagnostics

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I didn't have time to mess with it so I just had it towed to Herbert the
mechanic. It was definitely the ignition switch as the spring return on the
start position seems totally gone and the key rotates way past where it
should without any glow or other signs of life. I expect it will need the
new switch. I replace tumblers on general principle in all the cars;
incidentally the key matching ignition tumbler for an 88 w126 is NLA now.
So that car has an ignition key and a door key. Feels like I am driving an
80s Buick or a caprice or something, except this car kicks ass in every
department instead of being a POS. I mean the transmission shifting is very
1980s but it is fast and the AC still runs R12 so it actually does
something. I do need some of that magic anti squeak paste the gwagen guys
like so much. And it uses tons of fuel, like big v8 quantities. So I still
bust out the diesel for any trip over 10 miles - when it is working anyway.
God, the number of new parts on the 123. Everything but the dash out
evaporator and vacuum actuator job. I mean it has a new fuse block because
the AC fuse finally melted the old one. And the short block and injection
pump have never been rebuilt. I have never even put a timing chain in it;
probably should have when I replaced the head.

Incidentally, SLS on the 126 is non-functional! Leaking a bit from the
valve. Seems like a rare condition. I adjusted the linkage, but still no
luck. It is not the accumulators; ride is fine, just a bit low. The leak
has me wondering if valve is somehow bad. This is the non-rebuildable
version, like the 124. I guess I will unhook and then move the valve lever
by hand with engine running to see if I can get any movement or hissing
like the wagon does when the dog jumps out of the back.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2022, 1:07 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> Most likely, but check your neutral safety switch first once you’ve
> confirmed the battery is good. The electrical portion of the ignition
> switch can be replaced without having to replace the whole assembly. It’s a
> bit of a PITA to do in-frame, but it can be done with an offset screwdriver
> and some patience. It’s recommended to remove the whole assembly, but
> that’s a major undertaking. Be careful to reconnect the vacuum lines when
> you’re done, as they often get disconnected with all the moving stuff
> around in there.
>
> You should verify, but I believe the part number is a 202 545 01 04 64.
> Message me your VIN and I can look it up to be sure.
>
> -D
>
> > On Aug 15, 2022, at 3:56 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Speaking of diagnostics, when the diesel 123 takes your kid to school
> just
> > fine, but then no glow and no starter when you try to go home, is that
> due
> > to the switch behind the ignition key? Headlights work fine and it has a
> > newish AGM battery. But no power to windows or anything else except the
> > cigarette lighter and dome light.
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 15, 2022, 9:39 AM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT changing jobs long post

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Can't tell you how to prioritize income over other benefits or costs like
travel, but maybe do what feels right and good things will happen.

You could get them to cut you in on an equity stake with tag along rights.
Then if they flip the company to another private equity group, which is
what they all want to do at 5 years, at least you get paid out for your
shares at the same multiple everyone else does, and it is taxed at capital
gains rates.

I woukd not worry at all about reputation at current company. When they
realize you have options is when they start to take you more seriously.

Otherwise a highly personal decision.





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> Basically the way it works with this new job is you have a base but get a
> bonus for each week you are out based on how many days it is. I talked to
> them some more and basically they send out an email with what city/dates
> the trip is and everyone available looks at travel and sends them quotes
> for the cost. Whoever can get there cheapest will get it. For me, with most
> flights being connecting flights and flights returning have to generally be
> after 6-7pm, there would be no flights all the way back to Tulsa so I would
> have to stay an extra night and fly out the next morning. This will result
> is me probably getting less “assignments”, resulting in the numbers coming
> in at the lower end of my estimation.
>
> I also asked about rental cars since you just book travel wherever. At my
> current job we have a booking tool we used and we have contracts with a
> coupe of different companies we use. Part of the contract includes damage
> coverage and we are to waive it at booking. Company won’t cover it. I asked
> them do they reimburse the rental insurance or what. Basically they are
> relying on whatever credit card we use to cover it.
>
> The bidding process and this rental car liability question are leading me
> to believe I should pass. However, even if I don’t get as many trips I
> would end up working 2 weeks a month and would be at home the other 2
> working on cars. Could still end up making the same or more than currently,
> or could be less if my current job does not change anything with our pay
> plan.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Aug 15, 2022, at 1:13 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Exactly my point. At that time in my career I didn’t want to bounce
> around for a better deal unless I was satisfied it would be a long term
> gig. It’s also a PITA to be changing horses after a while, you always lose
> something in the deal no matter what. Might not be tangible, but the only
> way you gain is by sticking around for a while.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Aug 15, 2022, at 2:01 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes I have probably 20 years to go. I am at the stage where I don’t
> want to just hop jobs just for the sake of chance and will soon be in the
> territory of possible age discrimination where they prefer to hire some
> young kid instead of me.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On Aug 15, 2022, at 12:30 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Some excellent points, Jim. One thing to consider is how close you
> are to an exit strategy, that is, retirement. Kaleb’s still got some years
> before he can start working full time at Okie Acres making yummy Maine
> treats with the Missus and getting all of that German iron back into shape
> once he gets his shop sorted out. You gotta be in it for the long game at
> this point, so that’s  consideration as well that can often overshadow
> personal preferences, such as travel. I did much the same when I took the
> job back at the County in Florida over the job in Flagstaff - less
> commuting and more money/better benefits, even though it’s something I
> don’t enjoy doing and never will. That could easily change and I could
> flip-flop again, but it would be a final move that would force me to make
> (permanent) changes in my life I’m ready for but Mrs. Dan isn’t quite up
> for at this point. It’s all about compromise, isn’t it?
> >>>
> >>> I do miss the interaction with my co-workers, as we are a tightly knit
> team who have worked together closely over nearly 10 years with common
> interests, more friends than co-workers. That being said, I like not having
> to spend money for gas, food and clothing, as well as the use of my time to
> commute, all of which are higher on the hierarchy of needs for me than
> personal interaction. We make up for it by getting together for lunch at
> the office maybe once a month.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
>  On Aug 15, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  I retired during the pandemic because I missed the human interaction
> with
>  my co-workers.  That outweighed any financial considerations.
> 
> > 

Re: [MBZ] diagnostics

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Speaking of diagnostics, when the diesel 123 takes your kid to school just
fine, but then no glow and no starter when you try to go home, is that due
to the switch behind the ignition key? Headlights work fine and it has a
newish AGM battery. But no power to windows or anything else except the
cigarette lighter and dome light.

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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

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I would agree that when it comes to being in the hospital, the patient with
the squeaky wheel family gets better care. As providers, just knowing we
are being observed helps us to remain vigilant and sharp. This applies to
all members of the care team - RNs etc.

I forgot to mention that if you are uninsured and go to the hospital, then
receive an astronomical bill, you can almost always negotiate a 75%
discount on that for cash. This is because insurance companies typically
get about 80% off the full rate, so hospitals are just giving you the same
deal if you ask for it. But you have to ask. All this is a holdover from
days of yore when insurers paid the full asking price; believe it or not
there are still a few who do and hospitals do not want to miss out on that
income, so they still send out a bill for the full amount because they have
to charge the same rate for everyone.

Regards,

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> Excellent commentary, Karl, Thank you so much for taking the time to put
> this together.
>
> To reflect on a couple of things:
>
> Insurers rejecting claims to “run down” the claimant - I had this happen
> with orthodontic work I had done as a part of an oral surgery that was
> medically necessary. Cigna kept constantly rejecting (legitimate) claims by
> my orthodontic provider for no reason. Mrs. Dan has worked in the medical
> prescription processing (IT) field for some time, so we’re well acquainted
> with claim processing and things like “HICPIC” codes. Not our first rodeo.
> I filed a complaint and requested arbitration, and what do you know? Two
> days after I filed for arbitration the claim got paid. I refuse to believe
> that was a coincidence.
>
> I can’t stress enough how important it is to advocate for yourself when it
> involves medical treatment. That, and make sure your significant other or
> family can do the same in case you’re not able to. I’ve seen too many times
> when people just willingly accept what they’re told, rather than ask the
> hard questions to get the full picture of potential treatments and
> outcomes. That’s not to say all caregivers don’t provide this, but
> oftentimes they don’t or only present what they think is best. Especially
> when it comes to major illnesses or surgeries, it’s incumbent on the
> patient to have as much information as possible to be able to make the best
> informed decision as to their treatment.
>
> When Mrs. Dan was hospitalized for being overmedicated as I mentioned
> before, had I let things go as the caregivers wanted to, the outcome might
> not have been ideal. Instead, I challenged their direction and was able to
> get some of their peers involved who helped us to come to a more
> appropriate approach with a good outcome. Understand that I didn’t
> challenge their knowledge or suggestions, I just probed for more
> information and other potential treatment approaches. Had there been none I
> would have been fine with moving forward as they originally suggested.
>
> You gotta be on the field with the team, not the sidelines.
>
> Again, thanks a bunch, Karl.
>
> Dan
>
> > On Aug 12, 2022, at 1:22 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have some thoughts.
> >
> > 19% of the US GDP is spent on health care. It is  staggeringly higher
> than
> > the next highest country. So a logical question is: where does the money
> go?
> >
> >
> https://www.statista.com/statistics/268826/health-expenditure-as-gdp-percentage-in-oecd-countries/#:~:text=Among%20OECD%20member%20countries%2C%20the,U.S.%20with%20distinctly%20smaller%20percentages
> > .
> >
> > The medicare observation was correct. Doctors fought it tooth and nail,
> but
> > it ended up making a bunch of MDs very wealthy in the 1970s and 80s
> because
> > they paid well and the private insurers paid asking cost to docs and
> > hospitals.
> >
> > When it became clear that this was unfair and unsustainable, we started
> to
> > see medicare and insurers start ratcheting payments down. This has put
> > pressure on independent providers in lower paying specialties like
> primary
> > care. Consolidation among payors means the small docs are at their mercy
> > for getting paid. Literally insurers wl just reject 10% of claims
> outright
> > and hope that a docs office cannot pay someone to sit on the phone for
> two
> > hours to sort it out. This and other administrative inefficiencies
> account
> > for perhaps 15% of every healthcare dollar spent.
> >
> > Rates for doc payment are actually set largely by the AMA. The whole
> system
> > rewards 

Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I have some thoughts.

19% of the US GDP is spent on health care. It is  staggeringly higher than
the next highest country. So a logical question is: where does the money go?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/268826/health-expenditure-as-gdp-percentage-in-oecd-countries/#:~:text=Among%20OECD%20member%20countries%2C%20the,U.S.%20with%20distinctly%20smaller%20percentages
.

The medicare observation was correct. Doctors fought it tooth and nail, but
it ended up making a bunch of MDs very wealthy in the 1970s and 80s because
they paid well and the private insurers paid asking cost to docs and
hospitals.

When it became clear that this was unfair and unsustainable, we started to
see medicare and insurers start ratcheting payments down. This has put
pressure on independent providers in lower paying specialties like primary
care. Consolidation among payors means the small docs are at their mercy
for getting paid. Literally insurers wl just reject 10% of claims outright
and hope that a docs office cannot pay someone to sit on the phone for two
hours to sort it out. This and other administrative inefficiencies account
for perhaps 15% of every healthcare dollar spent.

Rates for doc payment are actually set largely by the AMA. The whole system
rewards procedures of various types. This leads to wide disparities in the
cost of care; unscrupulous for-profit health systems and docs can bilk the
insurance/medicare system by upcoding visits systematically:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=web=j=https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/06/01/the-cost-conundrum/amp=2ahUKEwjKsreD5MH5AhWsKkQIHcnxASQQFnoECBAQAQ=AOvVaw2B-tTctc6j_7JCvqiSMUNG

 But it also drives a lot of the best docs into high paying specialties
that do lots of procedures. This is why finding a good primary care doc
just gets harder and harder. The US imports foreign medical grads to fill
primary care training slots every year, because US grads know their life is
going to suck if they practice internal medicine. Your example of the
cardiologist married to your internist is a great example; the internist
can work part time because the cardiologist makes more than double the
salary. Otherwise the internist could not live on that income.

Because they cant get paid by insurance companies, literally, unless they
are part of a larger network of docs, most internists go into practices
that they do not own or manage. This is true in the hospital and for
outpatient jobs. So most internists are working for the man. If they built
up a big practice, they will get bought by a hospital network who can
negotiate better rates with insurers. Hospital owned practices can also
charge a lot more for the same services through a payment adjustment
designed to compensate hospitals for the cost of caring for uninsured etc.
So pracitces are all consolidating due to our frankly corrupt, self serving
insurance system taking 20% off the top while denying doctors payment for
care provided and denying patients access to needed care at the same time.

The concierge model is great if you get a good doc. There are a lot of
quacks out there who are financially motivated and practicing sketchy
medicine but are accessible to their patients, who dont always know the doc
is a quack. There are good concierge docs also. LA is full of them.

In any event, the system needs to pay docs to do  the right thing. If
primary care paid more, more of the smartest people in medicine would do
it. GPs in rural Scotland can and do make a killing, for instance, because
the system values what they do. Our system tends to reward docs for
operating on people and doing coloniscopies and putting in heart valves and
stents, so you get smart, materialistic people doing those things and no
coherent primary care provider. Until AMA changes the RVUs assigned to
primary care, and Medicare pays more for those visits, this will not
change. Same with the opioid epidemic; if pain management providers were
paid as much for an opioid weaning appointment as they are for an epidural
or facet block or radiofrequency ablation, then no one would be strung out
on prescription narcotics. You get the idea.

Of course hospitals get paid more for procedures also, which is part of the
problem.

As previously mentioned, insurance companies are a total scam, skimming 20%
off every healthcare dollar. They should be limited to 3-5% as they are in
Germany. Poof your healthcare just got a lot cheaper..

Medicare should be allowed to negotiate drug prices with drug manufacturers
in the same way other countries and our own VA hospitals do. No reason for
us to subsidize drug development for the whole world only for drug
companies to sell the same drug to Canadians for 1/3 what it costs
Americans. Complete graft and unpatriotic. Pigs at the healthcare trough.
But we allow it, because Pharma has your congressperson in their pocket.
Think about it.

We already have socialized medicine. It is called EMTALA and it was brought
to you by Ronald Regan:

Re: [MBZ] OT: TDI Eurovan 5-speed - 112k miles - $19,500

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

There is a French dude in TN mating hopped up vw diesels to porsche 7 speed
trannys and putting them into vw vanagons. He is some kind of genius I
think. Top diesel at pikes peak this year.

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>
> > EPA certified 2.5L gas with 4 sp auto and 5 sp manual in 1995.
> > Rerated to 14 city, 17 hwy with both transmissions.
> > Apparently they no longer disclose the original ratings.
> > https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/1995_volkswagen_eurovan.shtml
>
> Yeah 40MPG didn't pass the smell test for a heavy box on wheels, even with
> a diesel engine.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Adhesvie recommendations needed

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Liquid nails takes a long time to dry. Foam may fall off before it dries.

 Contact cement might dissolve the EPS, but it would be great otherwise. I
might try 3m super trim spray adhesive if compatible with the foam. And you
definitely want some foil on the back to keep the steel from radiating heat
inward, if I understand correctly.

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> There is stuff for that polystyrene, panel glue maybe?  I don’t know what
> might work on the plastic but I’m sure there is some product for it.
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
> > On Jul 21, 2022, at 7:46 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > I need to glue something like this:
> >
> https://www.lowes.com/pd/Tuftex-Multi-Wall-6mm-Panel-Clear-4-ft-x-8-ft-Corrugated-Polycarbonate-Plastic-Roof-Panel/1000689436
> >
> > and this:
> >
> https://www.lowes.com/pd/Insulfoam-Common-0-5-in-x-4-ft-x-8-ft-Actual-0-5-in-x-4-ft-x-8-ft-1-R-1-9-Faced-Polystyrene-Garage-Door-Foam-Board-Insulation/3033278
> >
> > to the inside of the hangar door - corrugated steel on a steel frame.
> >
> > It's too hot with some bare metal sections and the two large translucent
> > fiberglass panels for light when the afternoon sun is shining on it.
> > Most of the door has the foil backed foam, but the top ¼ doesn't.
> >
> > What would you use to glue it up - liquid nails, or ???
> >
> > --
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> >
> > "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you
> > are wearing."
> >
> > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> > pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >
> > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> Wernher
> > Von Braun
> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Peugeots

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Growing up in Riyadh there were a million 504 diesels from Syria and Turkey
that would come down yearly for the Haj. Definitely a preferred vehicle,
which is really all the endorsement a car needs in retrospect. They would
load them like crazy. A wagon is always attractive but then you give up the
funky humped trunk silhouette. I never saw a wagon over there.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 3:15 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
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> Growing up in Athens during the seventies and eighties, I saw a lot of
> Peugeot diesel taxis, along with W115, W123 and W124 Mercedes as well as
> Toyota Corona, VW Jetta, Opel Kadet etc.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jul 21, 2022, at 6:05 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I wonder how many Peugeot diesels were ruined with waste oil
> conversions and hood stacks?
> >
> >
> >> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022, at 4:36 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I had a neighbor years ago (late 1980’s)  in SoCal who had a fleet of
> >> Peugeot 504 Diesels. He started with a 1979, then he acquired a 1978
> >> and finally a 1976 station wagon manny tranny. They were very
> >> comfortable and reliable. I wasn’t into Diesels at the time or I would
> >> have tried to talk him into selling me one. I did like the body style.
> >> They were much cheaper to purchase than a comparable 240D since he was
> >> able to purchase the 1978 for $900 in 1987 with under 100K miles.
> >> Kevin in Lexington, NC
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Peugeots

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

The 240 diesel was a dog. A buddy even turboed one and it still wouldnt get
out of its own way. 6 cylinders I think. Maybe 85hp.

I had a 240 wagon gasser before my 85 td. Honestly it was a better car in
many ways. Primarily because it was simpler and a 5 speed. Less maintenance
for sure. I put an ipd swaybar on it and it cornered great. It was also
possible for a 6'5" person to sleep flat in the back along one side, which
is not possible in the Merc unless you remove the seat bottoms instead of
tilting them.



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> Much like the Volvo 240s, they did. Lots of them.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jul 21, 2022, at 10:28 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Might have to find myself a 504. I seem to recall they had a diesel.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 8:22 AM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Not quite as long a run as the even tougher 504, of which more than
> three
> >> million were produced between 1968 and 2006!
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 18, 2022, David Bruckmann wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Although Citroens are dearest to me, I can tell you that there's a
> reason
> >>> Peugeot 504 and 505 models are still running around in Africa and South
> >>> America... VERY tough cars, although the engines can be hit and miss.
> >> Super
> >>> comfortable as well. And when you consider that the 505 debuted *43
> years
> >>> ago* and was in production for 18 years through 1997, all the more
> >>> remarkable.
> >>>
> >>> A scene from Bastille Day in San Francisco, Citroens and Peugeots in
> >>> attendance:
> >>>
> >>> -- next part --
> >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
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> >>> Size: 287246 bytes
> >>> Desc: not available
> >>> URL: <
> >>>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Peugeots

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Might have to find myself a 504. I seem to recall they had a diesel.

On Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 8:22 AM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
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> Not quite as long a run as the even tougher 504, of which more than three
> million were produced between 1968 and 2006!
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2022, David Bruckmann wrote:
>
> >
> > Although Citroens are dearest to me, I can tell you that there's a reason
> > Peugeot 504 and 505 models are still running around in Africa and South
> > America... VERY tough cars, although the engines can be hit and miss.
> Super
> > comfortable as well. And when you consider that the 505 debuted *43 years
> > ago* and was in production for 18 years through 1997, all the more
> > remarkable.
> >
> > A scene from Bastille Day in San Francisco, Citroens and Peugeots in
> > attendance:
> >
> > -- next part --
> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > Name: C785467C-B913-4879-8278-19BB4443E549.jpeg
> > Type: image/jpeg
> > Size: 287246 bytes
> > Desc: not available
> > URL: <
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Fun with ADS-B

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yeah, almost got swatted out of the sky in my 140 last year.


On Sun, Jun 26, 2022, 6:12 PM mitch--- via Mercedes 
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> Oops.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZLXMKMgnS8
>
> The pilot of the tail wheeled-equipped airplane reported that, he was on
> an approach to land at an uncontrolled airport behind two helicopters.
> An airport surveillance video showed the accident airplane flying over
> the runway about 20 seconds after a helicopter was in a slow hover taxi
> adjacent to the runway. The pilot reported that he saw the helicopter
> and decided to land long to maintain separation. He added that while on
> short final, he saw a helicopter 'cross'  the runway, so he increased
> engine power to full and attempted a go-around. About one-third of the
> way down the length of the runway, the airplane encountered the
> helicopter's downwash, and the airplane entered an uncommanded steep
> right bank. The pilot applied opposite aileron, but he was not able to
> maintain control of the airplane. Subsequently, the airplane impacted
> right of the runway and sustained substantial damage to the right wing
> and fuselage. The pilot reported that there were no preaccident
> mechanical malfunctions or failures with the airplane that would have
> precluded normal operation.
>
> According to Federal Aviation Administration Advisory Circular No.
> 90-23G, Aircraft Wake Turbulence, 'pilots should avoid taxiing or flying
> within a distance of three rotor diameters of a helicopter hovering or
> in a slow hover taxi, as the downwash can contain high wind speeds.
>
> Probable Cause: The pilot's loss of airplane control during a go-around
> as it encountered wake turbulence from a slow hover taxiing helicopter.
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Re: [MBZ] Green on green

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

No one would ever check, unless you try to bring it into CA, and even then
only once.

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> Cat converter. Avoid.
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 9:58 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> > 1975 Mercedes-Benz 450 SEL Private owner
> >
> >
> https://houston.craigslist.org/cto/d/sugar-land-1975-mercedes-benz-450-sel/7495010977.html
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Teenage American Spitfire pilot

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Anybody know anything about that flight where they flew atomic clocks
around the world? What sort of planes and was it commercial?



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> Unarmed reconnaissance flights over Germany.
> Special teen enlisted pilot program in Army Air Corps.
> They painted recon planes sky blue and carried extra fuel instead of
> guns and ammo.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie3SrjLlcUY
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

The panels keep getting more efficient so the payoff particulars keeps
changing. They supposedly collect power from the scattered light on the
back side of the chips now also, for instance. So I think some shadier
places that would not be suitable are now more suitable. But depends upon
local laws also. They have net zero metering ones that never put power into
the grid beyond what you use, if you live in one of those communist states
that refuses to pay you for power you generate ;-)

Fire is the main reason a lot of policies are getting cancelled in the SW.
We went with stucco and a metal roof but should have boxed in the eaves
also with stucco, as that is where the roofs often catch fire. Plus be sure
your roof vents and hvac air intakes all have 1/8" metal screens, rather
than 1/4", which lets too many embers in. 11 houses burned across the
street in the next block up during the Getty fire.



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> Heh. Don’t come to Florida. That’s the first thing they’ll go after. If
> you’ve got a roof that’s more than about 10-12 years old you’ll have a
> tough time getting a policy.
>
> The roof on the Flagstaff house is 20 years old and definitely worn. It’s
> asphalt shingles and a relatively low pitch. They definitely have some wear
> and are getting brittle. We knew this when we bought the place and fully
> expected to have to put a roof on in the next 2-3 years anyway.
>
> This is only one of a number of reasons the insurance company booted us.
> We screwed up and went cheap, through a value-added service our long time
> mortgage broker offered. The policy was with “Hippo”, a totally online home
> insurer. They were easily $600 less than Allstate, our insurer of first
> resort. We’re talking $1800 vs. $1200. I should have known something was
> fishy here.
>
> About 3-4 months ago I got a copy of their underwriter’s report. I read
> through it line by line and realized when I was done that this didn’t even
> sound like our house. It wasn’t minor stuff, it was things like them saying
> it was slab-on-grade when it’s on a foundation with a crawl space. They
> didn’t even list the garage or note that it had living space (casita) in it.
>
> I made a list of discrepancies and called them. Had to leave a message
> with a customer service person, as I wasn’t allowed to speak to anyone in
> underwriting. About two weeks later I get a call from someone in
> Underwriting, and they told me they corrected some of the discrepancies I
> pointed out, but the rest were “minor” issues I “shouldn’t worry about”.
> Yeah, that gave me the warm fuzzies, for sure.
>
> So this morning I get an email from them with a non-renewal notice:
>
> "Stairs, porches or decks without a properly installed railing does not
> meet underwriting eligibility. General condition of roof does not meet
> underwriting eligibility. Unable to verify that the major systems of the
> home have been updated.”
>
> There are steps to the side door of the house made of pavers,
> professionally done by the PO, but there’s no handrail. Think 180 degree 6”
> rise steps against the exterior wall, four or five high, I think. Yeah,
> I’ll give them the roof. “Unable to verify major systems”? They never
> inspected the house or even asked to. HVAC, plumbing, electrical, all
> redone.
>
> They screwed up and pooched this one, so they’re bailing. It’s that
> simple. And that’s no doubt why they were so cheap, too. That’s on me, I
> should have known better.
>
> So tomorrow morning I’ll call our Allstate agent in Flagstaff.
>
> -D
>
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> >
> > Never heard of insurance canceling because of the age of the roof. I've
> also had roofs redone a couple of times and never informed the insurance
> company.
> >
> > Who is your insurance with?
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 30, 2022, at 3:28 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >> The solar co-op in Flagstaff has already contacted me and said my
> >> property looks like a good candidate. I think not based on my knowledge
> >> of the trees and where the sun falls throughout the day on the roof of
> >> the house. That said, my (detached) garage has a very clear view of the
> >> sky through most of the day, so that’s always a possibility.
> >>
> >> Looks like a new roof is in my future anyway, as I just got a notice of
> >> cancellation from my homeowner’s insurance company this morning. One of
> >> the reasons they cited was the age of my roof. What’s funny is that
> >> they were falling all over themselves wanting to insure me when I
> >> bought the house. I saw the underwriting statement and the description
> >> wasn’t anything like my house - they described it as a slab on grade
> >> (foundation with a crawl) the square footage was wrong and it didn’t
> >> even mention my detached garage. I brought this to their attention
> >> about a month ago when I saw the 

Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes the EV has more emissions to produce but breaks even by about year 5 in
normal use on carbon IIRC.

Thise little Aptera things have solar cells in the roof and are so light
and aerodynamically slippery that you can charge about 40 miles a day on
sunlight only. I may do that eventually but collision with any big SUVs
would not be pretty, even with airbags.

Karl

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> I read an article recently about the massive amount of diesel fuel burned
> to run the equipment to mine the minerals to make 1 EV battery. Not to
> mention the soil that must be moved. For the last 30 or 40 years they
> should have developed more nuclear power and figured out something else
> besides electric battery powered cars.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 26, 2022, at 2:31 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > EVs are for pussies!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On May 26, 2022, at 3:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> 6-8 mile commutes are where an EV excels. Electric heat means the
> cabin is warm quickly and you don't need to worry about range.
> >> Curt
> >>
> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 11:31 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   As I understand it, the important thing
> with Blue Tec is that the DPF "regeneration" cycle needs time to complete.
> If it's frequently interrupted, you eventually have problems. I don't know
> how long a cycle takes, or if 6-8 miles of driving is enough time. Kevin
> posted a writeup a while back on someone's woes with Bluetec.
> >>
> >> It's not great for any car, gas or diesel, to not get fully warmed up.
> You really want to get the engine oil and exhaust fully warm to drive out
> moisture. That said, a 6-8 miles drive twice daily is probably OK
> especially if some of it is at highway speeds and you're doing occasional
> longer drives. You might be better off with a gasser though, or (heaven
> forbid) even an EV for a commute that short.
> >>
> >>
>  On Thu, May 26, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> I have been out of the MB diesel game for too long and can’t keep up
> on
> >>> the nomenclature and which ones to avoid.
> >>>
> >>> If I was looking for a Mercedes diesel that would get 30+ mpg and is
> >>> pretty reliable which would I look for?
> >>>
> >>> I know the 124 diesel with the 2.5 (602?) is great.  And the 603 is
> >>> very good too. (Right?)
> >>>
> >>> The 606 in the 124 and 210 is also good?
> >>>
> >>> Then, the CDI started and the Black Death is a big concern and the
> blue
> >>> tec is next.  Someone mentioned the other day that bluetec has its own
> >>> issues — most notably it is not good for relatively short drives like
> a
> >>> 10 minute commute.  It really needs to be driven for a while to get
> >>> everything heated up and working.
> >>>
> >>> My cars now get driven to work only 6-8 miles one way. Half of that is
> >>> on the highway - obviously not for long.  Then relatively short trips
> >>> on the weekend. occasionally we drive long distances over a weekend
> 600
> >>> miles or so maybe every few months.
> >>>
> >>> So, if I want a fuel efficient MB diesel that doesn’t have to be
> driven
> >>> 30 minutes at a time, should I be focused on 124 and 210 with the 602,
> >>> 603, and 606?
> >>>
> >>> What was the six cylinder non-turbo that was in the 124 and 210? I
> >>> remember hearing great things about those.
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Opinions on window tint

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I put the 3M clear on the 126, all windows. Huge reduction in interior heat
load through front and rear. It still runs r12 so it is like a refrigerator
now, but the car is black on black so had to do something.

The 3M crystal stuff is expensive and tint guy said the other brands may be
better for less money.

I have dark tint in the 123 wagon, darker in Rear than front. All modern
SUVs run it. Looks fine. Need to do the windshield.

Rear window on a 126 takes an experienced hand to shrink the film in
corners due to compound curve. And be sure not to break the 3rd brake
light. The whole thing just tilts up and out- dont mess with the cover.

Dropped a bluetooth kenwood and some speakers in also with subwoofers in
doors. Sacrelige but totally functional.

On Sat, May 14, 2022, 10:30 AM MG via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Might want to look into the clear ceramic films.
> Heard about them a couple of years ago was said to
> work quite well though a bit more expensive that
> others.
>
> I was quite skeptical about them until my SIL in
> Orlando had the windshield done on his new MB
> coupe. I didn't see any difference when I looked
> at it but I could feel the difference between
> holding my hand in the sun and then holding it in
> the car where the sun hit it through the
> windshield. At close to $200 just for the
> windshield I almost had the 300TD done but didn't
> like the price at all when I thought about the
> probable price for the whole car, what with the
> big windows around the back.
>
> MG
>
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > What is everyone's opinion on window tint as far as brands?  Also,
> > opinions on using it on older cars such as 123 etc?  My opinion is that
> > it looks fine on anything 124 and newer for sure, I would include 126 in
> > that.  I am on the line with 123 but I still think it is appropriate on
> > that.  My thought anything 115 or older it is out of place.  What about
> > 116?  Not sure on that one.  Thoughts?  I am thinking about getting my
> > 99 tinted to see if it really makes a big difference in the summer
> > time.   What is the general cost these days to get a car tinted?  I do
> > not want something that looks like crap or turns purple in a few years.
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Re: [MBZ] 178 in a SUV down I-95

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yup.

On Thu, May 12, 2022, 9:56 AM mitch--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On 2022-05-12 12:23, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Law drones are becoming common. Sherrifs dept flies a lot of them here.
> >
> > Good article in latest New Yorker about Baraktar.
> >
>
> This?
>
> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/05/16/the-turkish-drone-that-changed-the-nature-of-warfare
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Re: [MBZ] 178 in a SUV down I-95

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Law drones are becoming common. Sherrifs dept flies a lot of them here.

Good article in latest New Yorker about Baraktar.

On Wed, May 11, 2022, 7:16 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> Brother-in-law’s grandson is one of those people. Because he has a birth
> defect that affected one hand and some fingers so the military wouldn’t
> take him. He went to a private flying school, got his tickets, and now
> flies drones for the military as a contractor.
>
> -D
>
> > On May 11, 2022, at 1:53 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Not really, there are folks in the US flying drones in Afghanistan after
> all.
> >
> > Wouldn't be practical for small cities but for big ones it makes a lot
> of sense.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 04:45:20 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via
> Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Wouldn't the range of the transponder (?) limit pursuit distances?
> >
> > On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 4:34 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> They need to deploy surveillance drones on these fleeing vehicles rather
> >> than chase them with surface vehicles. No reason they cannot tube
> launch a
> >> fixed wing drone quickly from the cop car and follow at a distance to
> avoid
> >> either the perps or the cops killing bystanders inadvertantly.
> >>
> >> On Sat, May 7, 2022, 7:03 PM G Mann via Mercedes  >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Faster than a cop radio"
> >>> [Yet another car thief fantasy]
> >>> These guys are young. They will be very popular in jail.
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, May 7, 2022 at 1:08 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I am somewhat impressed with the car’s performance. The two idiots
> need
> >>> to
> >>>> be dispatched quickly after a short fair trial.
> >>>>
> >>>> —FT
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>
> >>>>> On May 7, 2022, at 3:49 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> AMG 63?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And yes, Florida Man is responsible.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/crime/martin-county/2022/05/05/sheriffs-deputies-stop-high-speed-pursuit-i-95/9642855002/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> MARTIN COUNTY — A high-speed pursuit through six counties came to an
> >>>> abrupt end on Interstate 95 after the vehicle with two people inside
> >> ran
> >>>> over a spike strip and a sheriff's K9 found one of them in the woods.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It all happened Monday night around 8.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Richard St. Leger, 20, of Pompano Beach, faces charges of grand theft
> >>> of
> >>>> a motor vehicle, fleeing with disregard of safety to persons or
> >> property
> >>>> and resisting arrest without violence, according to his arrest
> >> affidavit.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Davonte Martin, 27, of Boynton Beach, faces a charge of trespass of a
> >>>> structure or conveyance, the affidavit lists.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Deputies said St. Leger accelerated up to 178 mph at times in a
> >> stolen
> >>>> Mercedes-Benz SUV as he drove through Orange, Osceola, Indian River,
> >>>> Okeechobee, St. Lucie and Martin counties on Florida's Turnpike and
> >> I-95.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Except for maybe a takeover, bank robbery or an active shooter,
> >>> there's
> >>>> not anything more dangerous to the public. than somebody driving like
> >>> that
> >>>> running from the police," Martin County Sheriff William Snyder said.
> >>>> "That's just as dangerous as it gets."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Police started pursuing the two in Orlando, but the SUV was initially
> >>>> stolen from Palm Beach County, Snyder said.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From Orlando, they traveled to Fort Pierce on the turnpike and
> >> stopped
> >>>&g

Re: [MBZ] 178 in a SUV down I-95

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

They dont typically go 178mph for very far at a time; average speed is much
lower and you can see miles with good optics on a drone, conditions
permitting. Nothing slowing you down except wind. Not many helicopters go
178mph either, but you never see a car outrun one.

On Wed, May 11, 2022, 1:54 PM mitch--- via Mercedes 
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> On 2022-05-11 16:44, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Wouldn't the range of the transponder (?) limit pursuit distances?
>
> $500 personal drones have 5-10 miles of range these days, complete with
> 1080p video feed to the controller.
> A bigger problem is flying at 180mph, even for fixed wing craft.
> (100+mph quadcopters exist, but the battery life is miniscule, and I've
> never heard of one going 150mph)
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Re: [MBZ] 178 in a SUV down I-95

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

They need to deploy surveillance drones on these fleeing vehicles rather
than chase them with surface vehicles. No reason they cannot tube launch a
fixed wing drone quickly from the cop car and follow at a distance to avoid
either the perps or the cops killing bystanders inadvertantly.

On Sat, May 7, 2022, 7:03 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> "Faster than a cop radio"
> [Yet another car thief fantasy]
> These guys are young. They will be very popular in jail.
>
> On Sat, May 7, 2022 at 1:08 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I am somewhat impressed with the car’s performance. The two idiots need
> to
> > be dispatched quickly after a short fair trial.
> >
> > —FT
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On May 7, 2022, at 3:49 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > AMG 63?
> > >
> > > And yes, Florida Man is responsible.
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/crime/martin-county/2022/05/05/sheriffs-deputies-stop-high-speed-pursuit-i-95/9642855002/
> > >
> > > MARTIN COUNTY — A high-speed pursuit through six counties came to an
> > abrupt end on Interstate 95 after the vehicle with two people inside ran
> > over a spike strip and a sheriff's K9 found one of them in the woods.
> > >
> > > It all happened Monday night around 8.
> > >
> > > Richard St. Leger, 20, of Pompano Beach, faces charges of grand theft
> of
> > a motor vehicle, fleeing with disregard of safety to persons or property
> > and resisting arrest without violence, according to his arrest affidavit.
> > >
> > > Davonte Martin, 27, of Boynton Beach, faces a charge of trespass of a
> > structure or conveyance, the affidavit lists.
> > >
> > > Deputies said St. Leger accelerated up to 178 mph at times in a stolen
> > Mercedes-Benz SUV as he drove through Orange, Osceola, Indian River,
> > Okeechobee, St. Lucie and Martin counties on Florida's Turnpike and I-95.
> > >
> > > "Except for maybe a takeover, bank robbery or an active shooter,
> there's
> > not anything more dangerous to the public. than somebody driving like
> that
> > running from the police," Martin County Sheriff William Snyder said.
> > "That's just as dangerous as it gets."
> > >
> > > Police started pursuing the two in Orlando, but the SUV was initially
> > stolen from Palm Beach County, Snyder said.
> > >
> > > From Orlando, they traveled to Fort Pierce on the turnpike and stopped
> > at a gas station on West Midway Road, where police spotted them.
> > >
> > > The men spotted law enforcement officers following them and drove to
> > I-95 and headed south.
> > >
> > > A Martin County sheriff's lieutenant pursued and attempted a traffic
> > stop, but left as the SUV sped up to 150 mph, according to the arrest
> > affidavit.
> > >
> > > Deputies deployed their tire deflation device around the Kanner Highway
> > exit on I-95, which deflated the SUV's two tires as it drove over it.
> > >
> > > St. Leger fled from the SUV into a wooded area after the vehicle was
> > disabled, prompting deputies to deploy K9 Zorro, to find him.
> > >
> > > The K9 found and bit St. Leger, while Martin stayed in the SUV and
> > surrendered to deputies. St. Leger was treated at Cleveland Clinic Martin
> > South Hospital for the dog bite, Snyder said..
> > >
> > > Both are in custody at the Martin County Jail. St. Leger has an
> $800,000
> > bond and Martin has a $100,000 bond, according to a jail official.
> > >
> > > Snyder said the two men would be prosecuted in the 19th Judicial
> Circuit
> > which is the Treasure Coast and Okeechobee County.
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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

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Add the w126 to that list. At least the matching ignition tumbler is NLA.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 7:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> You should have made the dealer order it again.
>
> On 4/14/2022 9:17 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote:
> > Indeed, mine were cut in Texas, and very poorly at that. They somehow got
> > the key misaligned on the thin axis, which means that the cutaway portion
> > is wildly uneven from side to side. So you have a 50% chance of operating
> > the lock.
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, Dan Penoff wrote:
> >
> >> The Classic Center Parts system (Germany) shows them to be available,
> >> which means they?re available from any dealer in the U.S. as well. They
> >> should be able to order one for you with proof of ownership and have it
> cut
> >> to match the VIN. That?s typically done at the parts depot in Texas, at
> >> least all of the keys I?ve had made from them in the last 20 year were.
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Re: [MBZ] More ethanol!

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Yeah DDGs are really good feed. The ethanol plant sells it all.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 3:06 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It's only a net negative if the byproduct of the ethanol production can't
> also be used as feed. It can...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 05:53:04 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, at 4:37 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> > Why is gasoline still so expensive if oil prices have dropped?
>
> Unleaded 87 is back down to $3.99 here. Diesel is at $4.89.
>
> Using food crops for fuel is stupid. It's a net negative once all costs
> are accounted for.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Planespotting

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

You would think buying a jet makes you less rich, but that has not been
true for the last 20 years or so. You buy and the plane goes up in price,
so you sell and use the profit to leverage the purchase of a larger
aircraft, which then appreciates and generates even more equity. Seems
weird, but covid drove demand quite a lot and some of these things nearly
doubled in value. Add 8% inflation to that and moving your dollars into
durable capital equipment starts to look pretty smart.

Far from making their owners less rich, it is another case of the rich
getting even richer. That is what I mean by a glimpse into another world.
The world where people with a lot of money compete with each other for big
ticket capital equipment items. Because they all got a lot richer through
gains in the financial world during covid, so the price of a jet just keeps
climbing.Maybe they will come down again at some point, but it isnt
happening yet.


On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 11:27 AM Jim Cathey  wrote:

> > ...about the rich getting richer during covid is 100% true. Prices
> > of private jets are out of sight. If people have the means to fly private
> > they do, and there are a lot of people with the means.
>
> Buying a jet in order to avoid riding in plague-tubes makes you less
> rich, no matter how you slice it.  Immaterial, though, if peoples'
> reactions
> to covid increases your business enough to pay for it.  (Amazon, Netflix,
> etc.)
>
> But it's good for Honest Omar's Flying Carpets, and private pilots, and...
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Planespotting

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Yeah you get to peel back the curtain a bit on the layers of the economy
when you start paying attention to private jet traffic. All that stuff
people say about the rich getting richer during covid is 100% true. Prices
of private jets are out of sight. If people have the means to fly private
they do, and there are a lot of people with the means.

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> This ADSB receiver I got the boy is a major time suck. While we’ve still
> got to get a better antenna setup going, it still pulls in a lot of traffic
> overhead.
>
> I’ve seen three FedEx planes on their way to Honolulu this afternoon, one
> of them an MD-11. Another FedEx MD-11 going from MEM to LAX right behind
> the other.
>
> It’s also interesting how many private jets there are who don’t report
> their registrations publicly.
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300CD Steering Box

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Rebuilt steering box will transform the car; get one from a reputable place
or it will probably need to be replaced again in short order and you will
spend more on the 2x labor than you would have on a decent rebuilt box.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 5:48 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> Ralph,
>
> There is a company in Nevada that is considered the expert and go-to place
> to get rebuilt steering boxes for Mercedes called C Hydraulics. Your
> mechanic should be able to purchase from them, they don’t sell to the end
> user/general public. Their rebuilt steering boxes aren’t cheap, but they
> have a very good reputation and stand behind their products.
>
> http://candmhydraulics.com/index.html
>
> I spent some time speaking with them a few year back when I was dealing
> with some issues on a W140 with an odd steering issue and they were very
> helpful and ultimately identified the problem as being a control issue and
> not the steering box.
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 13, 2022, at 5:48 AM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > My steering became stiff and would try to lock up when turning.  The
> > steering had started having a bit of play while driving, and I had to
> > constantly correct it.  Didn't bother me much and I just figured it was
> old
> > and needed some slight adjustment, but then this locking up and stiffness
> > set in very quickly.  He analyzed all the front end linkage from the
> actual
> > steering shaft and everything is fine there.  After disconnecting all the
> > items involved with the steering, this problem still persists.  That left
> > only the direct steering box intact, and the issue was still there.
> There
> > are very few older style M.B.'s in my area, here in N.B., Canada, but he
> > does have an  '84/85 300C of his own, not a diesel, but hasn't run into
> > this problem before.  I doubt one would be available at a wrecking yard,
> > but I could check.
> > If I could find another part I am pretty sure he could get it done okay.
> > Can these be rebuilt?
> > Thanks.
> > Ralph
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 4:38 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I would first say, if you're not doing your own work, then find a shop
> >> that is experienced in older MB vehicles before doing any expensive
> repairs
> >> (may be easier said than done depending on where you are located).
> >>
> >> What is the problem the mechanic diagnosed?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 12, 2022, at 2:08 PM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> I am having a problem with my steering box, and I am looking to replace
> >> it,
> >>> if I can find one.  The garage I have looking into my problem feels I
> >> would
> >>> have to replace it with either a new one or a reconditioned one; if
> there
> >>> is such a thing.  Would this part be available thru a normal auto parts
> >>> store, or should I be enquiring thru a M.B. Dealer?  The mechanic is
> not
> >> a
> >>> M.B specialist, and is not familiar with this part.  Would it be
> >> reasonable
> >>> to overhaul it, or is it a replacement situation?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>> Ralph  Robertson
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Re: [MBZ] Are w123s a major attraction to people?

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Yeah its funny how impressionable we are in youth, then we turn i to
crotchety old geezers. When I was in junior high, a lwb 126 was pretty much
the nicest car one would think about. Here we are 38 years later and guess
what is in the driveway. It was turning some heads at the Spago valet
tonight. Black on black with Ronal pentas.

On Sat, Apr 9, 2022, 9:05 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> Yea I will let you know. It’s not really a big deal I just never got
> around to it. I thought about keeping it but I already have that really
> nice dark red on burgundy 240D, plus now 2 (3) turbos and the CD, plus the
> 116 300SD that is just about as nice as this 300D. I should do a big video
> tour of all of Okie acres.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 9, 2022, at 10:57 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > In 1978 my dream car was a 240D, white, manual. I didn’t sell enough
> weed to afford one so That’s when I bought my ‘71 220D.
> > Let me know when you get the title sorted out.  I’d be on that like a
> hobo on a hotdog.
> >
> > AZBob
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Apr 9, 2022, at 8:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I need to get that white 240D ready to sell.  It came in with a bad
> clutch hydraulics.  Fixed that but need to see if I can get the AC going.
> Main problem is getting the title sorted out.  Guy who had it moved here
> from NV, registered it in OK but title is on hold waiting for the NV
> title.  Guy lost the NV title.  He would have needed to get a duplicate NV
> title then turn that into OK, which then OK would issue a OK title.  I am
> either going to have to see if I can somehow get a NV title, have guy sign
> it then get the OK title.  Most likely route will be the Vermont loophole
> or do a court ordered title or title 42.
> >>
>  On 4/9/2022 10:47 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> That first one is out of your league nice. I love the white 240D
> manny. I drive that all damn day.
> >>>
> >>> AZBob
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> > On Apr 9, 2022, at 8:18 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Here is a video
> 
>  https://youtu.be/-HhmMQteamk
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Apr 9, 2022, at 8:54 PM, Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > well I get comments on my 300 CD. I do think there is something so
> appealing about 123 styling. classic.
> >
> >>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022, 7:21 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> Just got home from hauling 2 more 123 turbos back to the house.
> Once is most likely a parts car on the trailer. The other is an absolute
> pristine BAT bait car. I’m mean jaw dropping nice. I mean Dean what’s his
> name nice. No way does it belong at Okie Acres nice. The wife drove it
> back.  Had people pulling along side taking photos. Had to stop at Sam’s on
> the way back and had people coming up asking about it? Wtf? I used to drive
> 123s all the time and never had this happen. What’s going to happen when I
> break out a 115 or 116 and start driving it?
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Hey, Karl, did you see this?

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Basically, if you have to ask, you can't afford it.

On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 9:16 AM Karl Wittnebel  wrote:

> If I cared what gas prices are, I would not drive a 560sel.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 5:18 AM mitch--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Matt Shupe of Walnut Creek, California, the principal at Praetorian
>> Public Relations, was on a road trip through the state this week when he
>> stumbled across gas prices that made his jaw drop.
>>
>> During a stop at a remote station in Big Sur on Sunday, Shupe decided to
>> glance at the pump before going inside to buy snacks and was relieved
>> that he didn't need a fill-up. The price for premium gas, which his car
>> requires, was $9.799. He wrote on Instagram that he is "still blown away
>> by these nearly $10 [per] gallon insane gas prices."
>>
>> "I've been going out of my way to find Costco gas stations along the
>> route because the gas prices have been so insane," Shupe told FOX
>> Business. He said braving the lines at Costco has saved him $10 or $20 a
>> tank.
>>
>> The average price of gas in California is currently $6.17 per gallon for
>> premium and $5.82 for regular, according to AAA. The national average
>> for regular is $4.16.
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Re: [MBZ] Hey, Karl, did you see this?

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

If I cared what gas prices are, I would not drive a 560sel.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 5:18 AM mitch--- via Mercedes 
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>
> Matt Shupe of Walnut Creek, California, the principal at Praetorian
> Public Relations, was on a road trip through the state this week when he
> stumbled across gas prices that made his jaw drop.
>
> During a stop at a remote station in Big Sur on Sunday, Shupe decided to
> glance at the pump before going inside to buy snacks and was relieved
> that he didn't need a fill-up. The price for premium gas, which his car
> requires, was $9.799. He wrote on Instagram that he is "still blown away
> by these nearly $10 [per] gallon insane gas prices."
>
> "I've been going out of my way to find Costco gas stations along the
> route because the gas prices have been so insane," Shupe told FOX
> Business. He said braving the lines at Costco has saved him $10 or $20 a
> tank.
>
> The average price of gas in California is currently $6.17 per gallon for
> premium and $5.82 for regular, according to AAA. The national average
> for regular is $4.16.
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Re: [MBZ] 560SEL 4 place seating

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Yeah probably an option with the split buckets in back.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 10:31 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> These are not the normal 89-91 front seats.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 4, 2022, at 12:29 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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> >
> > 126 seats changed several times. This is the newer smooth version
> because
> > it is a 1990 car.
> >
> >> On Sun, Apr 3, 2022, 6:52 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> What’s the deal with the front seats? Those don’t look like any I have
> >> seen in a sedan before. Look more like SEC seats.
> >>
> >> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2011769998984243/
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 560SEL 4 place seating

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126 seats changed several times. This is the newer smooth version because
it is a 1990 car.

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> What’s the deal with the front seats? Those don’t look like any I have
> seen in a sedan before. Look more like SEC seats.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2011769998984243/
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Re: [MBZ] Battery Fun

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Yah I thought that until a black walnut fell in my sister's yard and I
split it with my Dad some years back. I thought I was doing pretty well; he
was setting the pieces on a stump and I was swinging the axe around like a
clock hand. Then I hit a tough one and got it stuck. He said "Let me try."
I forgot he had a summer job driving rail spikes when he was a kid; his
grampa Carl homesteaded on a piece of railroad checkerboard, so the tracks
cross the section road just off the end of the driveway at the end of the
pasture of the home farm. Anyway he used some crazy technique where he
raised his arms and the axe straight up in front of him way over his head
like a lightning rod, then brought it down bending fully over at the waist
with a straight line from his belly button out to the head of the axe and
the axe head trailing enough behind to get some whip action on it. Sagged
down at the knees a bit at the same time. The log just exploded in all
directions. For that split second it was like watching one of those Thor
movies. I think his gut gave him an unfair advantage, personally.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 7:32 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> That’s the thing that people don’t often understand about the big mauls.
> You don’t swing it, you just drop it and let physics do the work for you.
>
> I had some friction tape on the handle of mine for a while, but I ended up
> taking it off and just getting some good grippy gloves.
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 23, 2022, at 10:24 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I prefer a wooden handle, I think the fiberglass send more vibrations. I
> do like that that one has a 36" handle, too many of them are too short.
> >
> > I've got one of these:
> >
> https://www.hardwarestore.com/brands/651025-vulcan-34524-wood-splitting-maul-12-lb-head-steel-handle-27-in-oal.html?ps=004=CjwKCAjwiuuRBhBvEiwAFXKaNFPw8bRgM1etm2BXtegQpAb3ZxUC-TdgqAM1Ek3yU4J8KBx88up5nxoCpFYQAvD_BwE
> >
> > Sometimes it's hard to tell who is in charge when swinging something
> that heavy.
> >
> >
> > -Cuft
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, March 23, 2022, 10:18:09 AM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis <
> dsereta...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > This one is seriously impressive if you’re into the lumberjack method.
> And it’s made in Finland not China!
> >
> >
> https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/fiskars-s-36-in-super-splitting-axe-378841-1004-1330386?store=2395=Shopping-Google-Organic_Feed-Product-1330386=Shopping-Google-LOB-Local_Feed_medium=Google_source=Shopping_campaign=LOB_content=Local_Feed=0AD3fmFPI49mXQrWvxVxqp-Ajm1mGC=CjwKCAjwiuuRBhBvEiwAFXKaNBnn-Q1NDXYMDTog-o8O5XtoAq4icj6h_V0MsW4ViryXkhdGtfPLdBoCmx0QAvD_BwE
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Mar 23, 2022, at 9:20 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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> >>
> >> Which reminds me, my buddy has been farting around with his log
> splitter for awhile. It won't crank at all. Battery reads 12.xv and doesn't
> drop at all under load that he can see. Figures it's locked up, it'd sat
> outside awhile.
> >>
> >> He goes and buys a Harbor Freight 13hp, guess what, that won't crank
> either. Jump it off the truck and it starts just fine.
> >>
> >> I think his problem is his el-cheapo Harbor Freight meter. I've had the
> cheap ones and they're junk. The $30 one is surprisingly good but the $6
> one, not so much.
> >>
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022, 09:55:26 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Failing batteries can cause all sorts of anomalies.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022, at 7:00 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> SL500 was acting up, not wanting to stay charged. I figured it was
> >>> because it’s rarely driven these days. Finally got to the point today
> >>> where it wouldn’t tale a charge, period.
> >>>
> >>> Hauled the 4+ year old flooded cell H8 down to the Advanced Auto and
> >>> was pleased to see the last of the long-timers still there. I waited
> >>> for him so he could check the battery, and it was kaput.
> >>>
> >>> I put a two year battery in it as I’m planning on selling the car
> soon.
> >>> He was trying to find me something cheaper but I told him not to
> >>> bother, as I didn’t want to have to run around to another store, but
> >>> would just go with the cheapest one they had (the two year “silver”).
> >>>
> >>> For those of you who might frequent Advance for batteries, it’s been
> >>> near impossible to get a promo code that will work on a battery any
> >>> more. I bemoaned the fact to this guy and he was able to put in a $17
> >>> discount on the sale from some obscure code. Nice.
> >>>
> >>> What’s interesting is that I was having all sorts of weird faults, no
> >>> doubt due to the voltage dropping into the basement when stuff got
> >>> turned on. I ran the DAS on it when I got everything finished and
> >>> cleared all the faults, so all is well now.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> 

Re: [MBZ] Retired

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Good luck with the buffet and congrats on retirement Bob.

Karl


On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 6:53 PM greg via Mercedes 
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> Congrats!
>
> Greg
>
> > As of 1730 March 18, 2022, my 37 year career of making ‘lectricity was
> > done. It hasn’t sunk in yet, I still feel like I’m just taking time
> > off.
> > What few, basic plans that we made for what we wanted to do upon retiring
> > have had the Kabash thrown on them for the time being now that we are in
> > the throes of eldercare.
> > I start my cancer treatments in two weeks. Six weeks of living in San
> > Diego. It will be good to get this taken care of.
> > Right now I feel like I have the fat kid plate at the Boo-fay. I’ll be
> > glad when some of these things start coming off.
> > What are my first tasks is trying to convince SWMBO that we need to make
> a
> > circuit of the United States ensuring that we get to New England around
> > September Chowder Q time.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Myna S123

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Nah I have an 87 td with a myna 606 and compound turbos that has been a
driveway queen for too long, but is under some pressure now that the e420
bit the dust. The 85 td is stock.  88 560 sel is my driver for now; Kids
arrive to school in style (except when the accessory belt starts screaming,
which it does whenever ambient is below 55 deg or I drive through a puddle,
but at least they can smoke cigars and turn their seat heaters on and
recline the rear seat and put the armrest down while they snarf on goldfush
or apples or whatever. Black on black leather with staggered ronal penta
knockoffs. I was behind a bus on Friday that collided headon with a
lincoln. So I stopped while the road got blocked off etc to check on the
driver of the car and provide an eyewitness account. Anyway all the cops
and towtruck drivers love the w126. Also the valet guys at the Beverly
Hills Hotel loved it when we rocked up there for a wedding last spring. It
shines like a jewel. Just got the new stereo sorted.

That green valtonen s123 was a real artwork. It grenaded at about 4bar
boost as I recall; it was supercharged for sure and maybe twincharged. You
need to beef up the rods and lower the compression to run that much boost
on any of these merc diesels because they all run 21:1 or similar stock,
except the really old NA 4 bangers which were 19:1 I think. Anyway 15x21 is
a lot less than 45 or 60x21. And that is before you mess with timing.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 2:48 PM mitch--- via Mercedes 
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> On 2022-03-26 16:40, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > Where’s the hood stack?
>
> This is a "Crazy Finn" video, not an "Ugly American" video.
>
> IIRC, Karl has a tuned V6 in his 1985 S123. I think the video is the
> usual OM617 with Myna pump mods.
>
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> they have anything to do with his CDI mods.
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Re: [MBZ] Tires and such

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Crap that I dont need.

On Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 11:30 AM Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> So what do you skimp on?
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 2:24 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> The things you use every day should be nice things. Penny wise pound
>> foolish. I never cheap out on shoes. Tires are like shoes for your car.
>>
>> When I lived in Baltimore, I would go to the used tire place and buy tires
>> from them. I had a beige 87 LTD and I would get the take offs from police
>> cars. Those days are over, but if you want to save money on tires, that is
>> the way to go. UPS runs used rubber.
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 1:04 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I have heard talk about UTQG and high numbers being long wearing but not
>> > as good traction? What is a good range to be in? Some of the cheap and
>> not
>> > so cheap tires I have bought in the past were at 540 with around a 50k
>> > warranty. Looking at some such as the General RT43 that are 700 with a
>> 65k
>> > warranty. Thoughts?
>> >
>> > I checked my records on cheap tires I just a couple of years ago for $69
>> > are nearly double today. I used to prefer Michelins but quite frankly
>> I’m
>> > not paying their prices. They are well over $200, close to $300 a piece
>> for
>> > some models and sizes for certain cars and over $400 each for vehicles
>> such
>> > as the GL. Insane.  Used to be I would be double for Michelins which
>> would
>> > only be maybe $140 each.
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Tires and such

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

The things you use every day should be nice things. Penny wise pound
foolish. I never cheap out on shoes. Tires are like shoes for your car.

When I lived in Baltimore, I would go to the used tire place and buy tires
from them. I had a beige 87 LTD and I would get the take offs from police
cars. Those days are over, but if you want to save money on tires, that is
the way to go. UPS runs used rubber.

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> I have heard talk about UTQG and high numbers being long wearing but not
> as good traction? What is a good range to be in? Some of the cheap and not
> so cheap tires I have bought in the past were at 540 with around a 50k
> warranty. Looking at some such as the General RT43 that are 700 with a 65k
> warranty. Thoughts?
>
> I checked my records on cheap tires I just a couple of years ago for $69
> are nearly double today. I used to prefer Michelins but quite frankly I’m
> not paying their prices. They are well over $200, close to $300 a piece for
> some models and sizes for certain cars and over $400 each for vehicles such
> as the GL. Insane.  Used to be I would be double for Michelins which would
> only be maybe $140 each.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Corn based ethanol

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yeah we all have our sacred cows.

On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 12:19 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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> Karl says:
> > Also known as cognitive dissonance.
>
> There's a LOT of that going on.
> I'd explain, but I don't feel like causing "cognitive dissonance" and
> getting moderated.
>
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Re: [MBZ] More tires

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

We just put a set of michelins on the lexus SUV. No regrets. Quiet as a
mouse, smooth ride, excellent traction wet and dry. Yes it is $1250 but
this is the primary family truckster and it is worth the peace of mind.
Michelins have about 4x as many sipes per tread block as any other tire.
They are in a different league. Yes kumhos will get you down the road; just
had a nice set on the 123 - replaced them with Michelin defenders, which
are superior in all respects. Recently put staggered coopers on the w126
and they seem fine but they are also w rated and not cheap.

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> Need to put new tires on the GL, not paying $400 a piece for Michelins.
> Looking at Kumho and Nexen.  Anybody used either?
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Re: [MBZ] Corn based ethanol

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Oh a bit tongue in cheek, but like most things, the reality is complicated.
Kind of like that far side of the cow holding a poorly painted sign that
says "Eat More Chikin"

It's difficult to teach a man to understand a concept when his livelihood
depends upon him not understanding it. You arent going to get the cows to
support less Chicken subsidies, because people would eat more beef. You
also arent going to get corn farmers to believe that ethanol is
environmentally damaging or worthless, or that ethanol subsidies are a bad
idea, because they would then have to believe they are morally bad for
participating in that, and they know they are not immoral, so ethanol must
not be bad. Also known as cognitive dissonance.





On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 8:38 AM Curt Raymond  wrote:

> I can't tell if you're sarcastic or not. E85 is good race fuel, it's
> probably okay in low humidity environments, it's lousy in most other
> applications.
>
> -Curt
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 18, 2022, 11:17:21 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I keep hoping they will just require all cars to run on e85. But so far it
> hasnt worked.
>
> Apart from being an important hedge against commodity prices for farmers,
> the ddg's feed a lot of livestock. And real people work in those plants.
>
> Support farmers: Drink more vodka (within reason)!
>
> K
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 5:14 AM mitch--- via Mercedes  >
> wrote:
>
> > On 2022-03-12 23:00, Frederick Moir via Mercedes wrote:
> > > OK Don.
> > > Y'know, when I read about using corn for fuel, I laughed my ass off!
> > > And would bet that the Iowa corn farmers did too!
> > > Another lobbyist victory.
> > > Fred the sceptic.
> >
> >
> > You're not wrong.
> > Ethanol subsidies/mandates are now an entrenched political sacred cow.
> > And some long serving members of Iowa's congressional delegation will
> > never stand for the cow's demise. And I'm sure some of those subsidies
> > make their way through lobbyists and PACs to congressional re-election
> > campaigns outside of Iowa also.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Corn based ethanol

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I keep hoping they will just require all cars to run on e85. But so far it
hasnt worked.

Apart from being an important hedge against commodity prices for farmers,
the ddg's feed a lot of livestock. And real people work in those plants.

Support farmers: Drink more vodka (within reason)!

K



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> On 2022-03-12 23:00, Frederick Moir via Mercedes wrote:
> > OK Don.
> > Y'know, when I read about using corn for fuel, I laughed my ass off!
> > And would bet that the Iowa corn farmers did too!
> > Another lobbyist victory.
> > Fred the sceptic.
>
>
> You're not wrong.
> Ethanol subsidies/mandates are now an entrenched political sacred cow.
> And some long serving members of Iowa's congressional delegation will
> never stand for the cow's demise. And I'm sure some of those subsidies
> make their way through lobbyists and PACs to congressional re-election
> campaigns outside of Iowa also.
>
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Re: [MBZ] $6K Repair or Different Vehicle

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Another vote for used engine. Used cars are insane right now. Couple grand
to install the 500 dollar motor and drive on. Otherwise buy a used nissan
sentra or toyota corolla with a stick and just pay the money.

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 3:41 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
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> Youngest’s 2014 Jetta, 1.8 T, 121K miles, had the red oil pressure alarm
> come in the other day after she had driven it about ten miles and then let
> it idle in a parking lot for about ten minutes. As soon as the alarm came
> in, she shut it off and called me. At that point she had her things to do
> so it sat for about three hours.
>
> When she came back out she checked the oil level (perfect) and ensured no
> puddles were beneath it. She started the engine and it started and sounded
> normal with no oil alarm light in. I told her to monitor the dash closely
> and listen carefully as she drove home and if anything sounds amiss or the
> alarm comes back in shut ‘er down.
>
> She made it home without mishap. I was going to check the oil  pressure
> and start troubleshooting but I have way too much stuff going on right now,
> so I took it down to a highly respected German shop (BMW, Mini, VW [no MB])
> and have them give it the once over.
>
>
>
> After having it for a day they reported back:
>
>
>
> “One scanned fault for low oil pressure plausibility and airmass sensor
> fault. Smoke test reveals leak at upper timing cover gasket. Clamshell is
> also leaking a bit of oil. Spool valve okay. Timing chain tensioner fully
> extended 9 notches (spec is no more than 7 notches extended). Using
> Picoscope measured cam/crank timing correlation and found camshafts are
> deviating consistently further indicating timing chain stretch and worn
> timing components. At idle, oil pressure is 22 psi (spec is 17-29 psi). At
> 2000 rpm,34 psi (spec is 23-31). At 3700 rpm, 34 psi (spec 43-58
> psi). This indicated worn counter-balance shaft leading to the improper oil
> pressure control.”
>
>
>
> Bottom line, $6.25K repair. I bounced this off of a couple other VW guys
> and they said it looks/sounds reasonable.
>
>
>
> We’ve had the car since new. No deep-seated emotional attachment to it.
>
>
>
> Get it fixed or sneakily trade it in on something else?
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] How sad

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Hey, but leather!

On Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 5:23 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/667885134256591/
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Re: [MBZ] Wow

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes those ideas came to mind but she is more in the mode of "let's get the
kid safely into school and get this taken care of as fast as possible" than
in mixing it up with the guy. I just thought it was a BS attitude on the
guy's part.







On Wed, Mar 9, 2022, 2:12 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> On 09/03/2022 2:53 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> > A guy in a new mercedes 450 coupe ran into my 85 wagon the other day
> while
> > the nanny was dropping kid to school. The wagon was parked. The guy gets
> > out, nanny says hey you ran into my car! Guy says "Your car is old!".
> > Damage is to my left front fender and molding and ran a crease down his
> > right door and rear fender. Anyway I couldnt believe he would say such a
> > thing. I have a local shop that is factory certified to repair all the
> > damaged McLarens in town, so I figure they should be able to handle it.
> >
> I hope your nanny was quick enough to say "yes, it is a classic. Isn't
> it wonderful?"
>
> And, "I doubt your car will last as long as this one has?"
>
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Wow

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A guy in a new mercedes 450 coupe ran into my 85 wagon the other day while
the nanny was dropping kid to school. The wagon was parked. The guy gets
out, nanny says hey you ran into my car! Guy says "Your car is old!".
Damage is to my left front fender and molding and ran a crease down his
right door and rear fender. Anyway I couldnt believe he would say such a
thing. I have a local shop that is factory certified to repair all the
damaged McLarens in town, so I figure they should be able to handle it.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2022, 9:29 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That was a d*ck move on your neighbor’s friend’s part. Really.
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 7, 2022, at 12:20 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The average pickup truck buyer is all sizzle and no steak.
> >
> > A friend of my neighbor asked to borrow my truck to move some stuff
> with. He's got a couple year old Chevy 2500 in perfect condition. I asked
> why he didn't just use his own truck. "I don't want to get mine dirty.
> Yours is rusty."
> >
> > What I told him doesn't bear repeating but he didn't get to use my
> truck...
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Monday, March 7, 2022, 12:14:48 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Truly, an ugly truck. Why are the manufacturers trying to make the
> > pickup trucks look so huge?
> > I sort of understand trucks becoming taller given they are pretty much
> > all 4 wheel drive now, but I don't really understand the tall hood and
> > massive grill. They are putting smaller engines in - V6 turbo rather
> > than V8 in most now so one would think the front clip might be able to
> > be made smaller rather than larger.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >
> > On 07/03/2022 10:40 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> >>
> >> --FT
> >> Sent from iFōn
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Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices

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Yeah. That coupe is still there.

On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 2:15 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> Not a surprise, since Gorda is just south of Big Sur and there’s literally
> nothing in the way of infrastructure anywhere near. I’m sure the prices are
> close to this all along that part of the coast as well as on the Lost Coast
> (northern CA near the OR border.)
>
> They were at or near $4.00/gallon for regular unleaded in Flagstaff
> yesterday. All of their fuel gets trucked in from PHX, two hours to the
> south. I’m heading back in a few weeks, I’m sure it will be much higher
> then. Thank goodness I work from home and everywhere else I go is within a
> couple miles of the house.
>
> Time to go V12 shopping!
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 6, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Gorda, CA. Highest prices I can find right now.
> >
> > https://www.ksbw.com/article/gas-prices-in-gorda-hit-dollar759/39341899
> >
> > $8.49 9/10 for premium.
> >
> > Coming to a city near you.
> >
> > Wish I had the equipment and parts to rebuild Mercedes diesel injection
> pumps. There will be a ton of cars for sale cheap when they get destroyed
> by morons.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

https://linksharing.samsungcloud.com/5KlLBklKTSZv

Pushing 7

On Sat, Mar 5, 2022, 4:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> When I was pumping that $4.29 diesel earlier today somebody hung a sign in
> the pump indicating their thoughts on who or what was responsible.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 5, 2022, at 6:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > No, as long as nothing partisan comes into the conversation. In fact,
> I’m really pleased at what a good discussion this has been. It’s been
> thoughtful and reflective and has addressed the issue well from a
> functional standpoint.
> >
> > Continue on.
> >
> > -D/ListMom
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Mar 5, 2022, at 3:52 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> is this considered political by the moderator?
> >>
> >>> On Sat, Mar 5, 2022, 3:35 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Price at the pump is the canary in the coal mine.  Everything made
> using
> >>> energy or hydrocarbons will cost more, providing it is even
> available.  We
> >>> have been well and truly screwed by environmentalist dilatants and the
> ESG
> >>> crowd.  The Ukrainians got screwed infinitely worse.  It doesn't stop
> >>> there; expect global food shortages in 2022 and beyond except in the
> US and
> >>> a few other self-sufficient places.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2022 3:02 PM
> >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >>> Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
> >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
> >>>
> >>> I am counting on 8 before it's all over.
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Mar 5, 2022, 10:37 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Closer to six bucks soon.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Rick
> >>>>
> >>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >>>> Sent: March 5, 2022 11:44 AM
> >>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >>>> Cc: ka...@striplin.net
> >>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car
> >>>> prices
> >>>>
> >>>> Just passed the next station of the local major chain and it was
> $4.92.
> >>>> Since this chain controls all fuel prices in the area it will soon be
> >>>> $4.92 everywhere.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Mar 5, 2022, at 11:24 AM, Kaleb Striplin 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just got back to Tulsa. Was something like $3.69 and just had to
> >>>>> fill
> >>>> up at $4.29. Wtf?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mar 5, 2022, at 9:55 AM, Kaleb Striplin 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It was 4.59 just outside of Enid this morning
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2022, at 9:44 AM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I saw Diesel at $3.80 in town, then at $4.10 by the Interstate
> >>>> yesterday.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 10:20 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> >>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Diesel is $4.59!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2022, at 11:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Bodes well for us diesel lovers.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2022, 11:09 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> >>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Four dollars a gallon here tonight for 87.

Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Ok let's start a pool. Everybody put in 5 bucks and guess the high gas
price for Los Angeles over the next month. Not sure how to monitor that
price, though.

On Sat, Mar 5, 2022, 12:04 PM Dimitri Seretakis 
wrote:

> 9-10 in California
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 5, 2022, at 3:03 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am counting on 8 before it's all over.
> >
> >> On Sat, Mar 5, 2022, 10:37 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Closer to six bucks soon.
> >>
> >>
> >> Rick
> >>
> >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >> Sent: March 5, 2022 11:44 AM
> >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >> Cc: ka...@striplin.net
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
> >>
> >> Just passed the next station of the local major chain and it was $4.92.
> >> Since this chain controls all fuel prices in the area it will soon be
> $4.92
> >> everywhere.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>>> On Mar 5, 2022, at 11:24 AM, Kaleb Striplin 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Just got back to Tulsa. Was something like $3.69 and just had to fill
> >> up at $4.29. Wtf?
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Mar 5, 2022, at 9:55 AM, Kaleb Striplin 
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> It was 4.59 just outside of Enid this morning
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On Mar 5, 2022, at 9:44 AM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I saw Diesel at $3.80 in town, then at $4.10 by the Interstate
> >> yesterday.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 10:20 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> >>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Diesel is $4.59!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2022, at 11:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> >>>>>>> Bodes well for us diesel lovers.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2022, 11:09 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> >>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Four dollars a gallon here tonight for 87.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Just keeps going up. $0.30 in the past two days alone
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Bodes poorly for values of used V8s and SUVs?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ___
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> OK Don
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
> to
> >>>>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >>>>>
> >>>>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> >> Wernher
> >>>>> Von Braun
> >>>>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> >>>>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> >>>>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> >>>>> ___
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Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I am counting on 8 before it's all over.

On Sat, Mar 5, 2022, 10:37 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Closer to six bucks soon.
>
>
> Rick
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: March 5, 2022 11:44 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: ka...@striplin.net
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
>
> Just passed the next station of the local major chain and it was $4.92.
> Since this chain controls all fuel prices in the area it will soon be $4.92
> everywhere.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 5, 2022, at 11:24 AM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> >
> > Just got back to Tulsa. Was something like $3.69 and just had to fill
> up at $4.29. Wtf?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Mar 5, 2022, at 9:55 AM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> >>
> >> It was 4.59 just outside of Enid this morning
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On Mar 5, 2022, at 9:44 AM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I saw Diesel at $3.80 in town, then at $4.10 by the Interstate
> yesterday.
> >>>
>  On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 10:20 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Diesel is $4.59!
> 
> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2022, at 11:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > Bodes well for us diesel lovers.
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2022, 11:09 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> Four dollars a gallon here tonight for 87.
> >>
> >> Just keeps going up. $0.30 in the past two days alone
> >>
> >> Bodes poorly for values of used V8s and SUVs?
> >>
> >> ___
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> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> OK Don
> >>>
> >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >>>
> >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> Wernher
> >>> Von Braun
> >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> >>> ___
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Re: [MBZ] 123/126 air cleaner bracket

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yeah reinforce it or you will be welding it again soon. It is easy to blast
through that thin metal. Add a short section of radiator hose between the
valve cover and the air cleaner housing to keep vibration from destroying
the mounts and bracket again.

On Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 6:00 AM MG via Mercedes  wrote:

> I have welded them before. They are galvanized so
> do it outside with the air moving away from you. I
> would also add an extra piece of metal across the
> break for a couple of inches as they tend to
> rebreak at the same point.
>
> MG
>
> Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> > I found a broken bracket in my piles of treasures and since my new
> welder arrived Friday and I have nascent skills it got me thinking…
> >
> > I’m wondering if it is galvanized or something as there is no rust on
> it, or if it’s some metal that is not stick or mig weldable. Anyone know?
> >
> > --FT
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