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What's an A500? On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Bow down and welcome our child overlords --R My son was in 6th grade when I stopped helping him, and he began the help desk It was also when he got an old A500 of his own and he began to unleash his genius. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts now Fonts now Telling your Benz what to do
Could it understand Okie? --R On 3/5/15 11:02 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: My GL had that sort of deal Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2015, at 9:04 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedesmercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So the new MamaML has a deal where you can talk to it and tell it what to do. You push a button on the steering wheel then you tell it to navigate to some address or place you have saved, or change the radio or music on your pod or call someone or do various other things. She has tried it but apparently they don't understand each other too well yet. She finds the soul in the machine to be pleasant enough, however, when it tells her what to do, unlike her views toward me while doing the same. It has also assimilated her phone into it so it can call people or send texts or do other things phone-wise, and apparently can also suck in 10GB or 80GB of music to its memory banks. I find this whole thing somewhat disturbing yet intriguing. It has a rotating pushbutton mouse joystick sort of thing too to whiz around the screen if you don't want to talk to it. The instruction book is about 400 pages long. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I see the error now. We should have banned movie theaters. -Original Message- From: Addison Thompson via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:25 PM IMNSHO the problem is one group's attempt to control morality and illegal behavior by controlling a thing, i.e. the guns, instead of focusing on the actual behavior of the small number of misbehaving individuals. For example, some nut-job shoots up a movie theater and the response from some is to try to ban the tool that he used rather than advocate for more mental health programs to deal with the cause of the shooting. As Dan said, there is a need for more mental health resources for those that need it. In so doing, the controls advocated by the ban group infringe on the rights of the vast majority that do not exhibit the criminal behavior thus setting up this endless discussion. Regards, Addison (who advocates for my right to self-defense) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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The witness Amanda showed excellent judgment by leaving. When it is safe to do so, escape is almost always the best option. The real first rule in a gun fight is don't get shot. Which reminds me, I need to renew my CCP later this year. -Original Message- From: Penoff via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 5:48 PM I'm not taking sides on the issue either way, but I thought this was rather timely considering the conversation: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/mcdonald-s-shooting-on-danforth- leaves-2-dead- 1.2977019?cmp=fbtlutm_content=buffercabe2utm_medium=socialutm_s ource=facebook.comutm_campaign=buffer Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Gerry wrote: Banning personal weapons in the hopes of saving that 0.05% is such a silly idea, it makes one wonder if its advocates might have ulterior motives. One thing for sure - law and regulation has lost sight of intention. We are tied up in the underwear of law and regulation rather than intent. The intent is... shall we morph this topic to fill-in-the-blank? Intention is: protection of all carried out by all. Thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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How is the left hand? Maybe you can switch? RB On 04/03/2015 6:41 PM, wiltonw--- via Mercedes wrote: I used Dragon Speaking with good results 6 or 8 years ago. Problem for last couple months is tremor of right hand so bad my handwriting is unreadable, even by me. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts now Fonts now Telling your Benz what to do
Still a fine little lady growing up fast. Wilton Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yesterday my wife called me at work with a question about MS Word and adding/importing clipart. I didn't know enough to talk her through it over the phone, best I could offer was press F1 to bring up the Help dialogue, use the search function there and follow the directions. Right after I said that, our 8-year old (who was home sick with a fever) happened upon the scene, and I hear I can show you Mommy, press this... and help was rendered (and I was off the hook, both figuratively and literally). I'm thinking we should get the 8-year old a cell phone so Momma can call her with her help desk questions. -Max On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So the new MamaML has a deal where you can talk to it and tell it what to do. You push a button on the steering wheel then you tell it to navigate to some address or place you have saved, or change the radio or music on your pod or call someone or do various other things. She has tried it but apparently they don't understand each other too well yet. She finds the soul in the machine to be pleasant enough, however, when it tells her what to do, unlike her views toward me while doing the same. It has also assimilated her phone into it so it can call people or send texts or do other things phone-wise, and apparently can also suck in 10GB or 80GB of music to its memory banks. I find this whole thing somewhat disturbing yet intriguing. It has a rotating pushbutton mouse joystick sort of thing too to whiz around the screen if you don't want to talk to it. The instruction book is about 400 pages long. --R - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I think if M could pay in candy or stuffed animals, 8-yr-old would be willing to train her on the ML? On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Bow down and welcome our child overlords --R -- - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts now Fonts now Telling your Benz what to do
My GL had that sort of deal Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2015, at 9:04 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So the new MamaML has a deal where you can talk to it and tell it what to do. You push a button on the steering wheel then you tell it to navigate to some address or place you have saved, or change the radio or music on your pod or call someone or do various other things. She has tried it but apparently they don't understand each other too well yet. She finds the soul in the machine to be pleasant enough, however, when it tells her what to do, unlike her views toward me while doing the same. It has also assimilated her phone into it so it can call people or send texts or do other things phone-wise, and apparently can also suck in 10GB or 80GB of music to its memory banks. I find this whole thing somewhat disturbing yet intriguing. It has a rotating pushbutton mouse joystick sort of thing too to whiz around the screen if you don't want to talk to it. The instruction book is about 400 pages long. --R On 3/4/15 7:41 PM, wiltonw--- via Mercedes wrote: I used Dragon Speaking with good results 6 or 8 years ago. Problem for last couple months is tremor of right hand so bad my handwriting is unreadable, even by me. Wilton OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It is, if you take the time to learn it and to train it to your voice. However, writing with your fingers and dictating text are not usually the same thing. You don't talk like you write. It takes getting used to planning what your are about to say with your mouth the way you do when you write/type. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: DragonSpeak is supposed to be really good. I don't have any direct experience with it, however. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts now Fonts now Telling your Benz what to do
Yesterday my wife called me at work with a question about MS Word and adding/importing clipart. I didn't know enough to talk her through it over the phone, best I could offer was press F1 to bring up the Help dialogue, use the search function there and follow the directions. Right after I said that, our 8-year old (who was home sick with a fever) happened upon the scene, and I hear I can show you Mommy, press this... and help was rendered (and I was off the hook, both figuratively and literally). I'm thinking we should get the 8-year old a cell phone so Momma can call her with her help desk questions. -Max On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So the new MamaML has a deal where you can talk to it and tell it what to do. You push a button on the steering wheel then you tell it to navigate to some address or place you have saved, or change the radio or music on your pod or call someone or do various other things. She has tried it but apparently they don't understand each other too well yet. She finds the soul in the machine to be pleasant enough, however, when it tells her what to do, unlike her views toward me while doing the same. It has also assimilated her phone into it so it can call people or send texts or do other things phone-wise, and apparently can also suck in 10GB or 80GB of music to its memory banks. I find this whole thing somewhat disturbing yet intriguing. It has a rotating pushbutton mouse joystick sort of thing too to whiz around the screen if you don't want to talk to it. The instruction book is about 400 pages long. --R - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Bow down and welcome our child overlords --R On 3/5/15 10:40 AM, Meade Dillon wrote: Yesterday my wife called me at work with a question about MS Word and adding/importing clipart. I didn't know enough to talk her through it over the phone, best I could offer was press F1 to bring up the Help dialogue, use the search function there and follow the directions. Right after I said that, our 8-year old (who was home sick with a fever) happened upon the scene, and I hear I can show you Mommy, press this... and help was rendered (and I was off the hook, both figuratively and literally). I'm thinking we should get the 8-year old a cell phone so Momma can call her with her help desk questions. -Max On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So the new MamaML has a deal where you can talk to it and tell it what to do. You push a button on the steering wheel then you tell it to navigate to some address or place you have saved, or change the radio or music on your pod or call someone or do various other things. She has tried it but apparently they don't understand each other too well yet. She finds the soul in the machine to be pleasant enough, however, when it tells her what to do, unlike her views toward me while doing the same. It has also assimilated her phone into it so it can call people or send texts or do other things phone-wise, and apparently can also suck in 10GB or 80GB of music to its memory banks. I find this whole thing somewhat disturbing yet intriguing. It has a rotating pushbutton mouse joystick sort of thing too to whiz around the screen if you don't want to talk to it. The instruction book is about 400 pages long. --R - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts now Fonts now Telling your Benz what to do
So the new MamaML has a deal where you can talk to it and tell it what to do. You push a button on the steering wheel then you tell it to navigate to some address or place you have saved, or change the radio or music on your pod or call someone or do various other things. She has tried it but apparently they don't understand each other too well yet. She finds the soul in the machine to be pleasant enough, however, when it tells her what to do, unlike her views toward me while doing the same. It has also assimilated her phone into it so it can call people or send texts or do other things phone-wise, and apparently can also suck in 10GB or 80GB of music to its memory banks. I find this whole thing somewhat disturbing yet intriguing. It has a rotating pushbutton mouse joystick sort of thing too to whiz around the screen if you don't want to talk to it. The instruction book is about 400 pages long. --R On 3/4/15 7:41 PM, wiltonw--- via Mercedes wrote: I used Dragon Speaking with good results 6 or 8 years ago. Problem for last couple months is tremor of right hand so bad my handwriting is unreadable, even by me. Wilton OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It is, if you take the time to learn it and to train it to your voice. However, writing with your fingers and dictating text are not usually the same thing. You don't talk like you write. It takes getting used to planning what your are about to say with your mouth the way you do when you write/type. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: DragonSpeak is supposed to be really good. I don't have any direct experience with it, however. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On Thu, 5 Mar 2015 18:25:02 -0500 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I see the error now. We should have banned movie theaters. -Original Message- From: Addison Thompson via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:25 PM IMNSHO the problem is one group's attempt to control morality and illegal behavior by controlling a thing, i.e. the guns, instead of focusing on the actual behavior of the small number of misbehaving individuals. For example, some nut-job shoots up a movie theater and the response from some is to try to ban the tool that he used rather than advocate for more mental health programs to deal with the cause of the shooting. As Dan said, there is a need for more mental health resources for those that need it. In so doing, the controls advocated by the ban group infringe on the rights of the vast majority that do not exhibit the criminal behavior thus setting up this endless discussion. Regards, Addison (who advocates for my right to self-defense) During the 20 years from 1995 to 2015 there was average yearly enrollment of 30,000,000 grade school (grades 1 to 8) students enrolled in U.S. schools. During that same period 168 people were killed in school shootings, and this ignores the number enrolled in high schools. That means the percent of grade and high school students killed was something much less than 0.05% of students killed. Banning personal weapons in the hopes of saving that 0.05% is such a silly idea, it makes one wonder if its advocates might have ulterior motives. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts now Fonts now Telling your Benz what to do
Well.. thank heaven there is an instruction manual so you won't have distracted driving operating all those nifty little geegawws that do things other than let you pay attention to driving the car and other drivers who wish to drive through you. Multi Tasking: That principle of time and action management that allows you to do many simultaneous actions poorly while believing you are over achieving. On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 8:04 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So the new MamaML has a deal where you can talk to it and tell it what to do. You push a button on the steering wheel then you tell it to navigate to some address or place you have saved, or change the radio or music on your pod or call someone or do various other things. She has tried it but apparently they don't understand each other too well yet. She finds the soul in the machine to be pleasant enough, however, when it tells her what to do, unlike her views toward me while doing the same. It has also assimilated her phone into it so it can call people or send texts or do other things phone-wise, and apparently can also suck in 10GB or 80GB of music to its memory banks. I find this whole thing somewhat disturbing yet intriguing. It has a rotating pushbutton mouse joystick sort of thing too to whiz around the screen if you don't want to talk to it. The instruction book is about 400 pages long. --R On 3/4/15 7:41 PM, wiltonw--- via Mercedes wrote: I used Dragon Speaking with good results 6 or 8 years ago. Problem for last couple months is tremor of right hand so bad my handwriting is unreadable, even by me. Wilton OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It is, if you take the time to learn it and to train it to your voice. However, writing with your fingers and dictating text are not usually the same thing. You don't talk like you write. It takes getting used to planning what your are about to say with your mouth the way you do when you write/type. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: DragonSpeak is supposed to be really good. I don't have any direct experience with it, however. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts now Fonts now Telling your Benz what to do
So the new MamaML has a deal where you can talk to it and tell it what to do. You push a button on the steering wheel then you tell it to navigate to some address or place you have saved, or change the radio or music on your pod or call someone or do various other things. She has tried it but apparently they don't understand each other too well yet. She finds the soul in the machine to be pleasant enough, however, when it tells her what to do, unlike her views toward me while doing the same. It has also assimilated her phone into it so it can call people or send texts or do other things phone-wise, and apparently can also suck in 10GB or 80GB of music to its memory banks. I find this whole thing somewhat disturbing yet intriguing. It has a rotating pushbutton mouse joystick sort of thing too to whiz around the screen if you don't want to talk to it. The instruction book is about 400 pages long. --R Jaime's baby, I think. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts now Fonts now Telling your Benz what to do
Bow down and welcome our child overlords --R My son was in 6th grade when I stopped helping him, and he began the help desk It was also when he got an old A500 of his own and he began to unleash his genius. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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During the 20 years from 1995 to 2015 there was average yearly enrollment of 30,000,000 grade school (grades 1 to 8) students enrolled in U.S. schools. During that same period 168 people were killed in school shootings, and this ignores the number enrolled in high schools. That means the percent of grade and high school students killed was something much less than 0.05% of students killed. Banning personal weapons in the hopes of saving that 0.05% is such a silly idea, it makes one wonder if its advocates might have ulterior motives. Gerry Ding Ding Ding Ding! Gerry Scores!Bingo! lessee: tyrants who disarmed the population: 1. lenin/stalin (probably in the double digits millions killed) 2. Dolfie(6 million plus killed) 3. Benito (the Mussolini one) (dunno how many there) 4. One of the mexican despots, followed by all the rest... (millions) 5. Mao (not the list member) (probably in the double digit millions killed) 6. Pol pot (millions) 7. Kim Jong whatevers (millions) 8. The brothers fidel and raul, along with the hotshot che... (millions) If our dear leader follows the predictable pattern, he will continue to rule by fiat, dissolve congress by some ' national emergency, confiscate all ammunition/weapons and proceed to kill millions who don't see things his way. No thanks! I much prefer the constitution, as amended, and keeping and bearing arms. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Reminds me of the saying: Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity. Gerry wrote: Banning personal weapons in the hopes of saving that 0.05% is such a silly idea, it makes one wonder if its advocates might have ulterior motives. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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DId those mass murderers obtain their guns legally or illegally? On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:55 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The shooting that occurred at the mall in Clackamas, OR in December 2012 was stopped by a licensed armed civilian after the shooter had killed 2 and seriously wounded one. The death toll could have been much worse if an armed civilian were not on the scene. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 6:23 PM To: 'Randy Bennell'; 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Other than the Giffords shooting, is anyone aware of a mass shooting that was not in a safe gun-free zone? -Original Message- From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 1:01 PM ... You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Usually they're legal guns obtained illegally, usually from family. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts DId those mass murderers obtain their guns legally or illegally? On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:55 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The shooting that occurred at the mall in Clackamas, OR in December 2012 was stopped by a licensed armed civilian after the shooter had killed 2 and seriously wounded one. The death toll could have been much worse if an armed civilian were not on the scene. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 6:23 PM To: 'Randy Bennell'; 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Other than the Giffords shooting, is anyone aware of a mass shooting that was not in a safe gun-free zone? -Original Message- From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 1:01 PM ... You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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But the point is that the people who are shot and killed are still dead so to them it really makes little difference whether the gun was legally obtained or not. RB On 04/03/2015 11:13 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Of course it does. In the wake of a shooting you get all the chowderheads that thing new laws will prevent future shootings which they don't:A. Shooters don't care that they're breaking the law orB. The gun was legal anyway. -Curt Does it truly matter? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Columbine and the Colorado theater thing were both guns kids took from their parent's. There was another one I can't remember the name of where the parents had given the kid a gun to teach him responsibility which is backwards, the gun should be a reward for showing responsibility... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Is that a hunch? IIRC the Va Tech killer purchased his legally. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Usually they're legal guns obtained illegally, usually from family. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts DId those mass murderers obtain their guns legally or illegally? On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:55 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The shooting that occurred at the mall in Clackamas, OR in December 2012 was stopped by a licensed armed civilian after the shooter had killed 2 and seriously wounded one. The death toll could have been much worse if an armed civilian were not on the scene. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 6:23 PM To: 'Randy Bennell'; 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Other than the Giffords shooting, is anyone aware of a mass shooting that was not in a safe gun-free zone? -Original Message- From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 1:01 PM ... You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Not to forget Scooter Libby who's outing of a CIA operative during a time of war should have him in front of a firing squad... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 1:05 PM Subject: [MBZ] Facts I'm not going to intervene unless people get nasty. As long as everyone can agree to disagree and there are no personal attacks I'm OK with things. While I have mixed emotions about gun ownership, I see this as a circular argument that will never go away I also think it points to the serious need for mental health resources being more available to those who need them. Did anyone read about the coed at Oregon who reported a sexual assault, only to have her records shared with the defense attorneys because they fell under the student records laws rather than HIPAA? Or better yet, our selective prosecution where people like David Petreaus who get a slap on the wrist for disclosing secret information while others who did far worse get incarcerated? While I'm not about to renounce my citizenship, I will say this place is messed up. Let the discourse begin. Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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My niece, for reasons I will not go into, had fairly direct knowledge of that situation and would say you are incorrect in your characterization of it. It was mostly a political hack job. --R On 3/4/15 1:20 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Not to forget Scooter Libby who's outing of a CIA operative during a time of war should have him in front of a firing squad... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Mao, rest in peace, was as crazy as a fox. He led China for decades. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Are you saying Mao has mental problems and needs help? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 4, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm not going to intervene unless people get nasty. As long as everyone can agree to disagree and there are no personal attacks I'm OK with things. While I have mixed emotions about gun ownership, I see this as a circular argument that will never go away I also think it points to the serious need for mental health resources being more available to those who need them. Did anyone read about the coed at Oregon who reported a sexual assault, only to have her records shared with the defense attorneys because they fell under the student records laws rather than HIPAA? Or better yet, our selective prosecution where people like David Petreaus who get a slap on the wrist for disclosing secret information while others who did far worse get incarcerated? While I'm not about to renounce my citizenship, I will say this place is messed up. Let the discourse begin. Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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IMNSHO the problem is one group's attempt to control morality and illegal behavior by controlling a thing, i.e. the guns, instead of focusing on the actual behavior of the small number of misbehaving individuals. For example, some nut-job shoots up a movie theater and the response from some is to try to ban the tool that he used rather than advocate for more mental health programs to deal with the cause of the shooting. As Dan said, there is a need for more mental health resources for those that need it. In so doing, the controls advocated by the ban group infringe on the rights of the vast majority that do not exhibit the criminal behavior thus setting up this endless discussion. Regards, Addison (who advocates for my right to self-defense) On Mar 4, 2015, Dan wrote: From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Subject: [MBZ] Facts Date: March 4, 2015 10:05:28 AM PST I'm not going to intervene unless people get nasty. As long as everyone can agree to disagree and there are no personal attacks I'm OK with things. While I have mixed emotions about gun ownership, I see this as a circular argument that will never go away I also think it points to the serious need for mental health resources being more available to those who need them. Did anyone read about the coed at Oregon who reported a sexual assault, only to have her records shared with the defense attorneys because they fell under the student records laws rather than HIPAA? Or better yet, our selective prosecution where people like David Petreaus who get a slap on the wrist for disclosing secret information while others who did far worse get incarcerated? While I'm not about to renounce my citizenship, I will say this place is messed up. Let the discourse begin. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Is that true? Apparently, the leak came from Armitage (and others?) who were never charged. Libby was convicted of lying to investigators in an attempt to cover it up. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Not to forget Scooter Libby who's outing of a CIA operative during a time of war should have him in front of a firing squad... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Are you saying Mao has mental problems and needs help? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 4, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm not going to intervene unless people get nasty. As long as everyone can agree to disagree and there are no personal attacks I'm OK with things. While I have mixed emotions about gun ownership, I see this as a circular argument that will never go away I also think it points to the serious need for mental health resources being more available to those who need them. Did anyone read about the coed at Oregon who reported a sexual assault, only to have her records shared with the defense attorneys because they fell under the student records laws rather than HIPAA? Or better yet, our selective prosecution where people like David Petreaus who get a slap on the wrist for disclosing secret information while others who did far worse get incarcerated? While I'm not about to renounce my citizenship, I will say this place is messed up. Let the discourse begin. Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I read where he never brushed his teeth, would just swish green tea around. Apparently he could knock a buzzard off a wagon. --R On 3/4/15 2:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Mao, rest in peace, was as crazy as a fox. He led China for decades. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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w On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 3:00 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well, at least he is now opposed to political killings. He is being twice as Transparent as our faithless leader himself. No need for FOIA with Pooter, he will disclose it all. There are no soviet troops in Ukraine, Crimea wanted to become part of the new USSR in a bloodless coup that did not involve soviet troops taking it over, and there is no connection with Tsar Pooter and blowing plaines out of the sky. I have no official email account for the NSA to track clay On Mar 3, 2015, at 7:43 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: When Tsar Vladimir is Tsar of all the Russias.Next year, perhaps?Or do I have too little faith in our dear leader. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 19:31:10 -0600 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts From: mercedes@okiebenz.com clay wrote: ...will result in a peace and love utopia for all. I like that. When does it start? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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And all the Federal criminals who are toking up left and right. Why is the drug gestapo not out rounding them up? All the middle schools are drug free zones but have the most active drug scene in neighborhoods. Maybe the recent move to restrict the sale of 5.56mm or .223 rounds will save all the little drug dealers. Or at least stop hunters from shooting bunnies. clay On Mar 3, 2015, at 9:44 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Actually, the Tucson shooting of Giffords and the other victims did happen in a gun free zone also.. Apparently, criminals intent of violence and murder don't bother to read the signs. Some time back, I read a rather in-depth and factual piece on the Colorado theater mass murder which listed the shooter as having broken 57 gun laws before arriving at the theater to commit mass murder. All those laws did not deter this individual from breaking them. Also, there is now reasonable evidence which demonstrates the shooter selected the particular theater because it did not allow patrons who had concealed carry permits to have their legally owned and carried weapons inside the theater. Imagine that.. It gives rise to the question, would less people have been harmed if someone had the means to protect themselves and the lives of others. On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: When Tsar Vladimir is Tsar of all the Russias.Next year, perhaps?Or do I have too little faith in our dear leader. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 19:31:10 -0600 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts From: mercedes@okiebenz.com clay wrote: ...will result in a peace and love utopia for all. I like that. When does it start? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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We are going to have the biggest and best wild bunnies in the neighborhood this spring. We have been feeding them all winter. Needless to say, my back yard is well fertilized. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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What I NEED is something that'll turn my shaky handwriting into readable script! ; Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:33 PM Subject: [MBZ] Facts now Fonts This looks like fun http://www.wherethesmileshavebeen.com/how-to-turn-your-handwriting-into-a-font-for-free/ Back to work now --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Snark on Nawww.. we just elect them to a second term as president.. aka ... jennifer flowers, monica lewenski, et al. admitted sexual predator. Complex question with no simple straight line answer, currently... Snark off On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:45 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What is the tool/thing sexual violators can be deprived of? We lock them up, but they come out and do it again. No need to source a weapon illegally. Burglars and robbers keep doing the same things as well. Bankers and embezzlers keep screwing people over. Maybe we need to deprive the perpetrators of a chance to repeat. White collar, violent, criminal, property, any criminal, just snuff them out. No need to control bullets, guns, computers, gonads. clay On Mar 4, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Addison Thompson via Mercedes wrote: IMNSHO the problem is one group's attempt to control morality and illegal behavior by controlling a thing, i.e. the guns, instead of focusing on the actual behavior of the small number of misbehaving individuals. For example, some nut-job shoots up a movie theater and the response from some is to try to ban the tool that he used rather than advocate for more mental health programs to deal with the cause of the shooting. As Dan said, there is a need for more mental health resources for those that need it. In so doing, the controls advocated by the ban group infringe on the rights of the vast majority that do not exhibit the criminal behavior thus setting up this endless discussion. Regards, Addison (who advocates for my right to self-defense) On Mar 4, 2015, Dan wrote: From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Subject: [MBZ] Facts Date: March 4, 2015 10:05:28 AM PST I'm not going to intervene unless people get nasty. As long as everyone can agree to disagree and there are no personal attacks I'm OK with things. While I have mixed emotions about gun ownership, I see this as a circular argument that will never go away I also think it points to the serious need for mental health resources being more available to those who need them. Did anyone read about the coed at Oregon who reported a sexual assault, only to have her records shared with the defense attorneys because they fell under the student records laws rather than HIPAA? Or better yet, our selective prosecution where people like David Petreaus who get a slap on the wrist for disclosing secret information while others who did far worse get incarcerated? While I'm not about to renounce my citizenship, I will say this place is messed up. Let the discourse begin. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Hey - you forgot our first Kenyan Muslim non-Christian President who Wants to Confiscate Your Guns. You're getting soft! On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Snark on Nawww.. we just elect them to a second term as president.. aka ... jennifer flowers, monica lewenski, et al. admitted sexual predator. Complex question with no simple straight line answer, currently... Snark off On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:45 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What is the tool/thing sexual violators can be deprived of? We lock them up, but they come out and do it again. No need to source a weapon illegally. Burglars and robbers keep doing the same things as well. Bankers and embezzlers keep screwing people over. Maybe we need to deprive the perpetrators of a chance to repeat. White collar, violent, criminal, property, any criminal, just snuff them out. No need to control bullets, guns, computers, gonads. clay On Mar 4, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Addison Thompson via Mercedes wrote: IMNSHO the problem is one group's attempt to control morality and illegal behavior by controlling a thing, i.e. the guns, instead of focusing on the actual behavior of the small number of misbehaving individuals. For example, some nut-job shoots up a movie theater and the response from some is to try to ban the tool that he used rather than advocate for more mental health programs to deal with the cause of the shooting. As Dan said, there is a need for more mental health resources for those that need it. In so doing, the controls advocated by the ban group infringe on the rights of the vast majority that do not exhibit the criminal behavior thus setting up this endless discussion. Regards, Addison (who advocates for my right to self-defense) On Mar 4, 2015, Dan wrote: From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Subject: [MBZ] Facts Date: March 4, 2015 10:05:28 AM PST I'm not going to intervene unless people get nasty. As long as everyone can agree to disagree and there are no personal attacks I'm OK with things. While I have mixed emotions about gun ownership, I see this as a circular argument that will never go away I also think it points to the serious need for mental health resources being more available to those who need them. Did anyone read about the coed at Oregon who reported a sexual assault, only to have her records shared with the defense attorneys because they fell under the student records laws rather than HIPAA? Or better yet, our selective prosecution where people like David Petreaus who get a slap on the wrist for disclosing secret information while others who did far worse get incarcerated? While I'm not about to renounce my citizenship, I will say this place is messed up. Let the discourse begin. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Not the guns yet, but the bullets now. The Apostate has a pen and a phone! --R On 3/4/15 4:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Hey - you forgot our first Kenyan Muslim non-Christian President who Wants to Confiscate Your Guns. You're getting soft! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Is that a hunch? IIRC the Va Tech killer purchased his legally. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Usually they're legal guns obtained illegally, usually from family. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts DId those mass murderers obtain their guns legally or illegally? On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:55 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The shooting that occurred at the mall in Clackamas, OR in December 2012 was stopped by a licensed armed civilian after the shooter had killed 2 and seriously wounded one. The death toll could have been much worse if an armed civilian were not on the scene. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 6:23 PM To: 'Randy Bennell'; 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Other than the Giffords shooting, is anyone aware of a mass shooting that was not in a safe gun-free zone? -Original Message- From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 1:01 PM ... You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Kip Kinkel, Oregon youth, boy scout shooting medal, had mental issues as well as behavioral. Kip showed an interest in guns, so his folks thought it would help to support his hobby. Might draw him out and make him more sociable. clay On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Columbine and the Colorado theater thing were both guns kids took from their parent's. There was another one I can't remember the name of where the parents had given the kid a gun to teach him responsibility which is backwards, the gun should be a reward for showing responsibility... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Is that a hunch? IIRC the Va Tech killer purchased his legally. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Usually they're legal guns obtained illegally, usually from family. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts DId those mass murderers obtain their guns legally or illegally? On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:55 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The shooting that occurred at the mall in Clackamas, OR in December 2012 was stopped by a licensed armed civilian after the shooter had killed 2 and seriously wounded one. The death toll could have been much worse if an armed civilian were not on the scene. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 6:23 PM To: 'Randy Bennell'; 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Other than the Giffords shooting, is anyone aware of a mass shooting that was not in a safe gun-free zone? -Original Message- From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 1:01 PM ... You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors
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Dan, A note of thanks for your even handed moderation of this discussion. I join with you in the assessment that our society needs to give both recognition and attention followed by treatment to individuals who display the potential to harm others. I would be very content to see my tax dollars spent to treat these persons correctly and remove them from access to the means to harm others. In each of the cases of mass murders the after the fact investigation demonstrated the individual had clearly [if anyone had been looking] displayed a rather long history of unhealthy and antisocial behavior. Our social system failed in each case to treat these individuals. This group, I believe, is composed of better than average intelligence individuals, and as such, are both involved and concerned in making the place we live safer and better.. Each of us is an individual with different viewpoints... Thank you for listening to mine.. I would agree with yours.. but then.. we would both be wrong.. ;)) Grant... On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I read where he never brushed his teeth, would just swish green tea around. Apparently he could knock a buzzard off a wagon. --R On 3/4/15 2:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Mao, rest in peace, was as crazy as a fox. He led China for decades. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Well, at least he is now opposed to political killings. He is being twice as Transparent as our faithless leader himself. No need for FOIA with Pooter, he will disclose it all. There are no soviet troops in Ukraine, Crimea wanted to become part of the new USSR in a bloodless coup that did not involve soviet troops taking it over, and there is no connection with Tsar Pooter and blowing plaines out of the sky. I have no official email account for the NSA to track clay On Mar 3, 2015, at 7:43 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: When Tsar Vladimir is Tsar of all the Russias.Next year, perhaps?Or do I have too little faith in our dear leader. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 19:31:10 -0600 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts From: mercedes@okiebenz.com clay wrote: ...will result in a peace and love utopia for all. I like that. When does it start? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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http://murphyauction.com/Auction/Details/4674 I am thinking of getting a heater and a stove at this place. The Kriss Vector .45 looks sleek clay On Mar 4, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: On 04/03/2015 10:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: DId those mass murderers obtain their guns legally or illegally? Does it truly matter? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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The BRUSHMASTER is the one for you I like the Ruger pistola, those are some nice little plinking arms --R On 3/4/15 3:21 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: http://murphyauction.com/Auction/Details/4674 I am thinking of getting a heater and a stove at this place. The Kriss Vector .45 looks sleek clay On Mar 4, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: On 04/03/2015 10:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: DId those mass murderers obtain their guns legally or illegally? Does it truly matter? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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What is the tool/thing sexual violators can be deprived of? We lock them up, but they come out and do it again. No need to source a weapon illegally. Burglars and robbers keep doing the same things as well. Bankers and embezzlers keep screwing people over. Maybe we need to deprive the perpetrators of a chance to repeat. White collar, violent, criminal, property, any criminal, just snuff them out. No need to control bullets, guns, computers, gonads. clay On Mar 4, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Addison Thompson via Mercedes wrote: IMNSHO the problem is one group's attempt to control morality and illegal behavior by controlling a thing, i.e. the guns, instead of focusing on the actual behavior of the small number of misbehaving individuals. For example, some nut-job shoots up a movie theater and the response from some is to try to ban the tool that he used rather than advocate for more mental health programs to deal with the cause of the shooting. As Dan said, there is a need for more mental health resources for those that need it. In so doing, the controls advocated by the ban group infringe on the rights of the vast majority that do not exhibit the criminal behavior thus setting up this endless discussion. Regards, Addison (who advocates for my right to self-defense) On Mar 4, 2015, Dan wrote: From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Subject: [MBZ] Facts Date: March 4, 2015 10:05:28 AM PST I'm not going to intervene unless people get nasty. As long as everyone can agree to disagree and there are no personal attacks I'm OK with things. While I have mixed emotions about gun ownership, I see this as a circular argument that will never go away I also think it points to the serious need for mental health resources being more available to those who need them. Did anyone read about the coed at Oregon who reported a sexual assault, only to have her records shared with the defense attorneys because they fell under the student records laws rather than HIPAA? Or better yet, our selective prosecution where people like David Petreaus who get a slap on the wrist for disclosing secret information while others who did far worse get incarcerated? While I'm not about to renounce my citizenship, I will say this place is messed up. Let the discourse begin. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I'm not endorsing Bill Maher by any means, but he did say something the other day on his show that I thought was pretty astute: http://www.drugpolicy.org/blog/bill-maher-calls-obama-end-drug-war-free-drug-war-prisoners We lock up so many people in Federal prisons with mandatory sentences for stupid things. This has done nothing to stop the flow of drugs or for that matter, the drug war. It's a giant resource suck of not only taxpayer's dollars but of human resources as well. Just my $0.02. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Not the guns yet, but the bullets now. The Apostate has a pen and a phone! --R On 3/4/15 4:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Hey - you forgot our first Kenyan Muslim non-Christian President who Wants to Confiscate Your Guns. You're getting soft! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Thanks, Grant. I had skin in that game, as I had a family member who required hospitalization on a couple of occasions for mental health issues. Fortunately for them at the time it was pre-Reagan dismantling of public health services and they were able to get the care and attention they needed for proper treatment. I'm pleased to say that they are and have been a contributing member of our society as a result of this and other resources that were available at the time. I work in an urban area where there are many homeless folks. I'm sure some are there because they choose to be, but a fair number of them are clearly in need of mental health services that just don't exist. While none that I have seen appear to be a threat to society, I often wonder about those we *don't* see who are living on the fringes and have or could be identified as being in need of such services. Hmm. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 3:23 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan, A note of thanks for your even handed moderation of this discussion. I join with you in the assessment that our society needs to give both recognition and attention followed by treatment to individuals who display the potential to harm others. I would be very content to see my tax dollars spent to treat these persons correctly and remove them from access to the means to harm others. In each of the cases of mass murders the after the fact investigation demonstrated the individual had clearly [if anyone had been looking] displayed a rather long history of unhealthy and antisocial behavior. Our social system failed in each case to treat these individuals. This group, I believe, is composed of better than average intelligence individuals, and as such, are both involved and concerned in making the place we live safer and better.. Each of us is an individual with different viewpoints... Thank you for listening to mine.. I would agree with yours.. but then.. we would both be wrong.. ;)) Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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The issue as I see it is that the genie is already out of the bottle, and you can't put it back. There are too many guns already in circulation to effectively reduce access to them, so stop trying to. Yes, mental health is a major issue that gets ignored. However, relying on identifying and treating potential violent offenders is also fraught with it's own set of horrors. Who decides who get locked you for treatment when? The statistics regarding the number of guns, number of citizens, and frequency of shootings rather nullifies the need to carry a gun for personal or even group defense. The likelihood of ever needing to use one is extremely small, unless you like to put yourself in harms way. If you look at the recent reporting of shootings, if we want to reduce the gun violence rate, we need to dis-arm the police. Of course, a lot of this is due to what's being reported when. Local shootings didn't get reported nationally in the '50's and 60's. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Addison Thompson via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: IMNSHO the problem is one group's attempt to control morality and illegal behavior by controlling a thing, i.e. the guns, instead of focusing on the actual behavior of the small number of misbehaving individuals. For example, some nut-job shoots up a movie theater and the response from some is to try to ban the tool that he used rather than advocate for more mental health programs to deal with the cause of the shooting. As Dan said, there is a need for more mental health resources for those that need it. In so doing, the controls advocated by the ban group infringe on the rights of the vast majority that do not exhibit the criminal behavior thus setting up this endless discussion. Regards, Addison (who advocates for my right to self-defense) -- OK Don (Who advocates his right to own firearms because I like them, but don't carry one around with me all the time.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I'm not taking sides on the issue either way, but I thought this was rather timely considering the conversation: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/mcdonald-s-shooting-on-danforth-leaves-2-dead-1.2977019?cmp=fbtlutm_content=buffercabe2utm_medium=socialutm_source=facebook.comutm_campaign=buffer Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 5:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm not endorsing Bill Maher by any means, but he did say something the other day on his show that I thought was pretty astute: http://www.drugpolicy.org/blog/bill-maher-calls-obama-end-drug-war-free-drug-war-prisoners We lock up so many people in Federal prisons with mandatory sentences for stupid things. This has done nothing to stop the flow of drugs or for that matter, the drug war. It's a giant resource suck of not only taxpayer's dollars but of human resources as well. Just my $0.02. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Not the guns yet, but the bullets now. The Apostate has a pen and a phone! --R On 3/4/15 4:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Hey - you forgot our first Kenyan Muslim non-Christian President who Wants to Confiscate Your Guns. You're getting soft! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I have a brother who has worked in the corrections business for years now. He states that we should be locking up those we are afraid of, not those we are mad at. Yes, the drug war is totally irrational, generates much more violent crime than it reduces, and a huge waste of funds. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm not endorsing Bill Maher by any means, but he did say something the other day on his show that I thought was pretty astute: http://www.drugpolicy.org/blog/bill-maher-calls-obama-end-drug-war-free-drug-war-prisoners We lock up so many people in Federal prisons with mandatory sentences for stupid things. This has done nothing to stop the flow of drugs or for that matter, the drug war. It's a giant resource suck of not only taxpayer's dollars but of human resources as well. Just my $0.02. Dan -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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You do know that the mental health system, such as it was, was dismantled under Reagan because that is what mental health advocates wanted -- they believed that the system as it was violated the rights of mentally ill people by forcing them into treatment or hospitals or whatever, against their will. So Reagan et al. gave them what they wanted, rights for the mentally ill to decide what they wanted or needed. So now we have mentally ill people with their rights who can't get the treatment they need, or who refuse it because it is their right to do so, and live on the streets and damage themselves and others with their freedom. Of course, no one saw that one coming... --R On 3/4/15 5:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Thanks, Grant. I had skin in that game, as I had a family member who required hospitalization on a couple of occasions for mental health issues. Fortunately for them at the time it was pre-Reagan dismantling of public health services and they were able to get the care and attention they needed for proper treatment. I'm pleased to say that they are and have been a contributing member of our society as a result of this and other resources that were available at the time. I work in an urban area where there are many homeless folks. I'm sure some are there because they choose to be, but a fair number of them are clearly in need of mental health services that just don't exist. While none that I have seen appear to be a threat to society, I often wonder about those we *don't* see who are living on the fringes and have or could be identified as being in need of such services. Hmm. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 3:23 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan, A note of thanks for your even handed moderation of this discussion. I join with you in the assessment that our society needs to give both recognition and attention followed by treatment to individuals who display the potential to harm others. I would be very content to see my tax dollars spent to treat these persons correctly and remove them from access to the means to harm others. In each of the cases of mass murders the after the fact investigation demonstrated the individual had clearly [if anyone had been looking] displayed a rather long history of unhealthy and antisocial behavior. Our social system failed in each case to treat these individuals. This group, I believe, is composed of better than average intelligence individuals, and as such, are both involved and concerned in making the place we live safer and better.. Each of us is an individual with different viewpoints... Thank you for listening to mine.. I would agree with yours.. but then.. we would both be wrong.. ;)) Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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It is, if you take the time to learn it and to train it to your voice. However, writing with your fingers and dictating text are not usually the same thing. You don't talk like you write. It takes getting used to planning what your are about to say with your mouth the way you do when you write/type. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: DragonSpeak is supposed to be really good. I don't have any direct experience with it, however. Dan -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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DragonSpeak is supposed to be really good. I don't have any direct experience with it, however. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: WILTON wrote: What I NEED is something that'll turn my shaky handwriting into readable script! ; 20 years ago my father in law was looking for something similar. DragonSpeak or somesuch program was text to speech but I don't know about these 'aps' today. Talk your text in to existence. With Siri and others you would think this would be a reality, but from what Wilton says, probably not? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Since you brought it up I have had partial hearing loss in my left ear since I was a child, due mainly to some really nasty inner ear infections I had. The frequencies affected are between 5kHz and 7kHz or thereabouts, smack dab in the middle of the range for normal speech. I would love to have some sort of hearing aid or assistive device. While I can hear, the lack of hearing in this range makes it pretty much impossible for me to carry on a conversation with anyone in an environment with a lot of background noise, like a loud restaurant or at a party. If you speak to me in one of these places I can see your lips move but I can't hear a damned thing you say. It's frustrating and isolating. Insurance has never covered hearing aids. Why I can buy insurance for vision, just about any other assistive device for any deficiencies I have as a human, but not hearing aids. This is one of the reasons we changed over to Costco. They are supposed to have in-house audiologists and good deals on hearing aids. I haven't had a chance to check this out, but it's pretty high on my list. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:09 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, many in the mental health systems saw that one coming, but they didn't have a voice in Washington. What the mental health professionals wanted was the closing of the massive institutions, replacing them with smaller ones for acute treatment and outpatient clinics. What they got was de-funding of the whole system, so only the rich could afford mental health treatment of any significance. Which brings me to another pet peeve of mine, health insurance. It makes NO sense to insure for treatment of one part of your body and not another. It should be all or none. Separate insurance for heart disease, teeth, vision, mental health, etc. is absurd. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IUjtHf76wM -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts I'm high on the real thing -- a clean windshield , powerful gasoline , and a shoe shine. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Mar 4, 2015, at 7:25 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Why am I picturing you rolling a fatty about now? Dan is someone burning rope? Man On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You are only coming through in waves Your lips move but I can't hear what you're saying When I was a child I had a fever My hands felt just like two balloons Now I've got that feeling once again I can't explain, you would not understand This is not how I am I have become comfortably numb --R On 3/4/15 6:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Since you brought it up I have had partial hearing loss in my left ear since I was a child, due mainly to some really nasty inner ear infections I had. The frequencies affected are between 5kHz and 7kHz or thereabouts, smack dab in the middle of the range for normal speech. I would love to have some sort of hearing aid or assistive device. While I can hear, the lack of hearing in this range makes it pretty much impossible for me to carry on a conversation with anyone in an environment with a lot of background noise, like a loud restaurant or at a party. If you speak to me in one of these places I can see your lips move but I can't hear a damned thing you say. It's frustrating and isolating. Insurance has never covered hearing aids. Why I can buy insurance for vision, just about any other assistive device for any deficiencies I have as a human, but not hearing aids. This is one of the reasons we changed over to Costco. They are supposed to have in-house audiologists and good deals on hearing aids. I haven't had a chance to check this out, but it's pretty high on my list. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:09 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, many in the mental health systems saw that one coming, but they didn't have a voice in Washington. What the mental health professionals wanted was the closing of the massive institutions, replacing them with smaller ones for acute treatment and outpatient clinics. What they got was de-funding of the whole system, so only the rich could afford mental health treatment of any significance. Which brings me to another pet peeve of mine, health insurance. It makes NO sense to insure for treatment of one part of your body and not another. It should be all or none. Separate insurance for heart disease, teeth, vision, mental health, etc. is absurd. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors
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WILTON wrote: What I NEED is something that'll turn my shaky handwriting into readable script! ; 20 years ago my father in law was looking for something similar. DragonSpeak or somesuch program was text to speech but I don't know about these 'aps' today. Talk your text in to existence. With Siri and others you would think this would be a reality, but from what Wilton says, probably not? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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You are only coming through in waves Your lips move but I can't hear what you're saying When I was a child I had a fever My hands felt just like two balloons Now I've got that feeling once again I can't explain, you would not understand This is not how I am I have become comfortably numb --R On 3/4/15 6:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Since you brought it up I have had partial hearing loss in my left ear since I was a child, due mainly to some really nasty inner ear infections I had. The frequencies affected are between 5kHz and 7kHz or thereabouts, smack dab in the middle of the range for normal speech. I would love to have some sort of hearing aid or assistive device. While I can hear, the lack of hearing in this range makes it pretty much impossible for me to carry on a conversation with anyone in an environment with a lot of background noise, like a loud restaurant or at a party. If you speak to me in one of these places I can see your lips move but I can't hear a damned thing you say. It's frustrating and isolating. Insurance has never covered hearing aids. Why I can buy insurance for vision, just about any other assistive device for any deficiencies I have as a human, but not hearing aids. This is one of the reasons we changed over to Costco. They are supposed to have in-house audiologists and good deals on hearing aids. I haven't had a chance to check this out, but it's pretty high on my list. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:09 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, many in the mental health systems saw that one coming, but they didn't have a voice in Washington. What the mental health professionals wanted was the closing of the massive institutions, replacing them with smaller ones for acute treatment and outpatient clinics. What they got was de-funding of the whole system, so only the rich could afford mental health treatment of any significance. Which brings me to another pet peeve of mine, health insurance. It makes NO sense to insure for treatment of one part of your body and not another. It should be all or none. Separate insurance for heart disease, teeth, vision, mental health, etc. is absurd. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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--R wrote: Of course, no one saw that one coming... Old people (I am old people), mental people, cancer people, etc all cost much more than they contribute. Any loss of these class of people becomes a benefit for the culture/society/nation as a whole. Yes, I am ready to be fertilizer, I know I am the problem, hence, I stay away from these systems of health and mental etc Reality must rule. Feelings take right seat, i.e. SIC. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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She was not a CIA operative and she had already told the world she worked for the CIA. There was no news just a rehash of previously disclosed stuff. Not to forget Scooter Libby who's outing of a CIA operative during a time of war should have him in front of a firing squad... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I have tinnitus in both ears as well, but it's not so bad that it prevents me from hearing - more like a nuisance thing in the background. Not a lot you can do for it, so I understand. I suspect mine is due to exposure to high noise levels when I was younger... Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:32 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan wrote: Since you brought it up I have had partial hearing loss in my left ear since I was a child, due mainly to some really nasty inner ear infections I had. I don't feel all alone anymore. Someone on this very list suggested a Lyric hearing aid. I may try one soon. In going to have to do something. Rick Who has hearing loss in his right ear, and tinnitus in both. Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Very much so. And I didn't agree with them then, and I don't agree with them now. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 5:53 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You do know that the mental health system, such as it was, was dismantled under Reagan because that is what mental health advocates wanted -- they believed that the system as it was violated the rights of mentally ill people by forcing them into treatment or hospitals or whatever, against their will. So Reagan et al. gave them what they wanted, rights for the mentally ill to decide what they wanted or needed. So now we have mentally ill people with their rights who can't get the treatment they need, or who refuse it because it is their right to do so, and live on the streets and damage themselves and others with their freedom. Of course, no one saw that one coming... --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I bought a new hearing aid, best kind money can buy. Cost me $8000. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:13 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: I have had partial hearing loss in my left ear since I was a child, due mainly to some really nasty inner ear infections I had. The frequencies affected are between 5kHz and 7kHz or thereabouts, smack dab in the middle of the range for normal speech. I would love to have some sort of hearing aid or assistive device. While I can hear, the lack of hearing in this range makes it pretty much impossible for me to carry on a conversation with anyone in an environment with a lot of background noise, like a loud restaurant or at a party. If you speak to me in one of these places I can see your lips move but I can't hear a damned thing you say. It's frustrating and isolating. G: Please let me know if the hearing aid you buy helps in a noisy environment. My hearing aids, which were state of the art programmable about 15 years ago, have never helped that problem; and I have never talked to anyone who had a hearing aid that did although every hearing company for the past 40 years has claimed that theirs solves the noisy environment situation. Insurance has never covered hearing aids. Why I can buy insurance for vision, just about any other assistive device for any deficiencies I have as a human, but not hearing aids. G: My Blue Cross insurance pays $1000 per hearing aid as do many other insurors. This has been in effect for only a couple of years. If you are on the counties group insurance plan, they may not. This is one of the reasons we changed over to Costco. They are supposed to have in-house audiologists and good deals on hearing aids. I haven't had a chance to check this out, but it's pretty high on my list. Dan G: Costco sounds like a good bet since they have a fine reputation in other respects. Otherwise, it's best to go to an ENT M.D. who has his own audiologist and sells hearing aids. Most of the rest are in the same category as car salesmen IMO. Another option I just remembered was a med school. UF med school has a good hearing department and sells hearing aids. USF may have one as well. Suggestion: Buy the best you can afford since even the best is seldom as good as you hope for. Good luck, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Dan wrote: Since you brought it up I have had partial hearing loss in my left ear since I was a child, due mainly to some really nasty inner ear infections I had. I don't feel all alone anymore. Someone on this very list suggested a Lyric hearing aid. I may try one soon. In going to have to do something. Rick Who has hearing loss in his right ear, and tinnitus in both. Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Yes, many in the mental health systems saw that one coming, but they didn't have a voice in Washington. What the mental health professionals wanted was the closing of the massive institutions, replacing them with smaller ones for acute treatment and outpatient clinics. What they got was de-funding of the whole system, so only the rich could afford mental health treatment of any significance. Which brings me to another pet peeve of mine, health insurance. It makes NO sense to insure for treatment of one part of your body and not another. It should be all or none. Separate insurance for heart disease, teeth, vision, mental health, etc. is absurd. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You do know that the mental health system, such as it was, was dismantled under Reagan because that is what mental health advocates wanted -- they believed that the system as it was violated the rights of mentally ill people by forcing them into treatment or hospitals or whatever, against their will. So Reagan et al. gave them what they wanted, rights for the mentally ill to decide what they wanted or needed. So now we have mentally ill people with their rights who can't get the treatment they need, or who refuse it because it is their right to do so, and live on the streets and damage themselves and others with their freedom. Of course, no one saw that one coming... --R OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Why am I picturing you rolling a fatty about now? Dan is someone burning rope? Man On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You are only coming through in waves Your lips move but I can't hear what you're saying When I was a child I had a fever My hands felt just like two balloons Now I've got that feeling once again I can't explain, you would not understand This is not how I am I have become comfortably numb --R On 3/4/15 6:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Since you brought it up I have had partial hearing loss in my left ear since I was a child, due mainly to some really nasty inner ear infections I had. The frequencies affected are between 5kHz and 7kHz or thereabouts, smack dab in the middle of the range for normal speech. I would love to have some sort of hearing aid or assistive device. While I can hear, the lack of hearing in this range makes it pretty much impossible for me to carry on a conversation with anyone in an environment with a lot of background noise, like a loud restaurant or at a party. If you speak to me in one of these places I can see your lips move but I can't hear a damned thing you say. It's frustrating and isolating. Insurance has never covered hearing aids. Why I can buy insurance for vision, just about any other assistive device for any deficiencies I have as a human, but not hearing aids. This is one of the reasons we changed over to Costco. They are supposed to have in-house audiologists and good deals on hearing aids. I haven't had a chance to check this out, but it's pretty high on my list. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:09 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, many in the mental health systems saw that one coming, but they didn't have a voice in Washington. What the mental health professionals wanted was the closing of the massive institutions, replacing them with smaller ones for acute treatment and outpatient clinics. What they got was de-funding of the whole system, so only the rich could afford mental health treatment of any significance. Which brings me to another pet peeve of mine, health insurance. It makes NO sense to insure for treatment of one part of your body and not another. It should be all or none. Separate insurance for heart disease, teeth, vision, mental health, etc. is absurd. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I used Dragon Speaking with good results 6 or 8 years ago. Problem for last couple months is tremor of right hand so bad my handwriting is unreadable, even by me. Wilton OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It is, if you take the time to learn it and to train it to your voice. However, writing with your fingers and dictating text are not usually the same thing. You don't talk like you write. It takes getting used to planning what your are about to say with your mouth the way you do when you write/type. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: DragonSpeak is supposed to be really good. I don't have any direct experience with it, however. Dan -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Dan Penoff wrote: I have had partial hearing loss in my left ear since I was a child, due mainly to some really nasty inner ear infections I had. The frequencies affected are between 5kHz and 7kHz or thereabouts, smack dab in the middle of the range for normal speech. I would love to have some sort of hearing aid or assistive device. While I can hear, the lack of hearing in this range makes it pretty much impossible for me to carry on a conversation with anyone in an environment with a lot of background noise, like a loud restaurant or at a party. If you speak to me in one of these places I can see your lips move but I can't hear a damned thing you say. It's frustrating and isolating. G: Please let me know if the hearing aid you buy helps in a noisy environment. My hearing aids, which were state of the art programmable about 15 years ago, have never helped that problem; and I have never talked to anyone who had a hearing aid that did although every hearing company for the past 40 years has claimed that theirs solves the noisy environment situation. Insurance has never covered hearing aids. Why I can buy insurance for vision, just about any other assistive device for any deficiencies I have as a human, but not hearing aids. G: My Blue Cross insurance pays $1000 per hearing aid as do many other insurors. This has been in effect for only a couple of years. If you are on the counties group insurance plan, they may not. This is one of the reasons we changed over to Costco. They are supposed to have in-house audiologists and good deals on hearing aids. I haven't had a chance to check this out, but it's pretty high on my list. Dan G: Costco sounds like a good bet since they have a fine reputation in other respects. Otherwise, it's best to go to an ENT M.D. who has his own audiologist and sells hearing aids. Most of the rest are in the same category as car salesmen IMO. Another option I just remembered was a med school. UF med school has a good hearing department and sells hearing aids. USF may have one as well. Suggestion: Buy the best you can afford since even the best is seldom as good as you hope for. Good luck, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Mine is from shot guns and engines without mufflers - auto and aircraft. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Heavy Metal??? On Mar 4, 2015, at 9:01 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So you were a party animal. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have tinnitus in both ears as well, but it's not so bad that it prevents me from hearing - more like a nuisance thing in the background. Not a lot you can do for it, so I understand. I suspect mine is due to exposure to high noise levels when I was younger... Dan -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Curt started it --- That animation reminded that I had not shared this Russian video yet: http://www.youtube.com/embed/FG1LGKieTxY?rel=0 We have all wondered what would happen if the oxygen and acetylene welding gas delivery truck had an accident in front of us. View the video below for what actually happens. It’s spectacular … and just when you think it’s all over . BANG!! On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IUjtHf76wM -Curt -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Many states allow full auto if you have the proper (and expensive) licensing! Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Addison Thompson via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 10:19 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts (Randy Bennell) Randy, Automatic weapons have been illegal in the US since the 1930s. You probably mean semi-automatic weapons which pretty much includes most modern rifles and pistols designs of the past century. Addison On Mar 3, 2015, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: From: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Date: March 3, 2015 10:00:43 AM PST On 03/03/2015 11:45 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Thank you for your efforts to direct the thinking of these foreign individuals to understand this very special American Right. You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate the beauty in a well made firearm. I think it would be interesting to make an AK47 and have watched the video on how to do it. I own a couple of .22 rifles and have been considering something a bit bigger. However, I am happy with the fact that hand guns and automatic weapons are not common in Canada. Let us face it, there are a lot of people out there who should not be permitted to have any sort of firearms. They are stupid, or criminally minded, or careless, or mentally unstable, bad tempered, etc. Being permitted to possess a weapon should require rigorous background checks, formal training, and ongoing checks to make sure things are not changing. Automatic weapons should only be had by the military for war. They should not be sold to anyone with sufficient cash and no obvious criminal record. RB who will now climb down off of the soapbox ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Sorry Randy your ignorance is showing. It is VERY difficult to own an automatic weapon. There is a licensing process and significant background checks, the gun is licensed much like a car. I believe you're thinking of semi-automatic weapons. Remember you are 100x more likely to die from a medical accident than be gunned down ANYWHERE, not just the mall. Do you not realize how big a difference that is? ALMOST NOBODY GETS SHOT IN THE US. More (way more, like 3x) people die from the flu for crying out loud, gun violence isn't even in the top 10. Your soap box sucks because its got no actual facts on it... -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts On 03/03/2015 11:45 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Thank you for your efforts to direct the thinking of these foreign individuals to understand this very special American Right. You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate the beauty in a well made firearm. I think it would be interesting to make an AK47 and have watched the video on how to do it. I own a couple of .22 rifles and have been considering something a bit bigger. However, I am happy with the fact that hand guns and automatic weapons are not common in Canada. Let us face it, there are a lot of people out there who should not be permitted to have any sort of firearms. They are stupid, or criminally minded, or careless, or mentally unstable, bad tempered, etc. Being permitted to possess a weapon should require rigorous background checks, formal training, and ongoing checks to make sure things are not changing. Automatic weapons should only be had by the military for war. They should not be sold to anyone with sufficient cash and no obvious criminal record. RB who will now climb down off of the soapbox ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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You still need a gun that was originally licensed before the 1986 ban on full autos. I do wonder about the mini-guns I see on TV, must be some special licensing law there... -Curt From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: 'Addison Thompson' as.thomp...@cox.net; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts (Randy Bennell) Many states allow full auto if you have the proper (and expensive) licensing! Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Addison Thompson via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 10:19 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts (Randy Bennell) Randy, Automatic weapons have been illegal in the US since the 1930s. You probably mean semi-automatic weapons which pretty much includes most modern rifles and pistols designs of the past century. Addison On Mar 3, 2015, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: From: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Date: March 3, 2015 10:00:43 AM PST On 03/03/2015 11:45 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Thank you for your efforts to direct the thinking of these foreign individuals to understand this very special American Right. You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate the beauty in a well made firearm. I think it would be interesting to make an AK47 and have watched the video on how to do it. I own a couple of .22 rifles and have been considering something a bit bigger. However, I am happy with the fact that hand guns and automatic weapons are not common in Canada. Let us face it, there are a lot of people out there who should not be permitted to have any sort of firearms. They are stupid, or criminally minded, or careless, or mentally unstable, bad tempered, etc. Being permitted to possess a weapon should require rigorous background checks, formal training, and ongoing checks to make sure things are not changing. Automatic weapons should only be had by the military for war. They should not be sold to anyone with sufficient cash and no obvious criminal record. RB who will now climb down off of the soapbox ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On 03/03/2015 11:45 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Thank you for your efforts to direct the thinking of these foreign individuals to understand this very special American Right. You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate the beauty in a well made firearm. I think it would be interesting to make an AK47 and have watched the video on how to do it. I own a couple of .22 rifles and have been considering something a bit bigger. However, I am happy with the fact that hand guns and automatic weapons are not common in Canada. Let us face it, there are a lot of people out there who should not be permitted to have any sort of firearms. They are stupid, or criminally minded, or careless, or mentally unstable, bad tempered, etc. Being permitted to possess a weapon should require rigorous background checks, formal training, and ongoing checks to make sure things are not changing. Automatic weapons should only be had by the military for war. They should not be sold to anyone with sufficient cash and no obvious criminal record. RB who will now climb down off of the soapbox ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts (Randy Bennell)
Randy, Automatic weapons have been illegal in the US since the 1930s. You probably mean semi-automatic weapons which pretty much includes most modern rifles and pistols designs of the past century. Addison On Mar 3, 2015, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: From: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Date: March 3, 2015 10:00:43 AM PST On 03/03/2015 11:45 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Thank you for your efforts to direct the thinking of these foreign individuals to understand this very special American Right. You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate the beauty in a well made firearm. I think it would be interesting to make an AK47 and have watched the video on how to do it. I own a couple of .22 rifles and have been considering something a bit bigger. However, I am happy with the fact that hand guns and automatic weapons are not common in Canada. Let us face it, there are a lot of people out there who should not be permitted to have any sort of firearms. They are stupid, or criminally minded, or careless, or mentally unstable, bad tempered, etc. Being permitted to possess a weapon should require rigorous background checks, formal training, and ongoing checks to make sure things are not changing. Automatic weapons should only be had by the military for war. They should not be sold to anyone with sufficient cash and no obvious criminal record. RB who will now climb down off of the soapbox ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Well, there are lies, damned lies, and statistics in that order as I recall. AND unfortunately, people do get shot all of the time. BUT I did not expect that very many of you folks would agree with me even it I was correct. RB On 03/03/2015 2:01 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Sorry Randy your ignorance is showing. It is VERY difficult to own an automatic weapon. There is a licensing process and significant background checks, the gun is licensed much like a car. I believe you're thinking of semi-automatic weapons. Remember you are 100x more likely to die from a medical accident than be gunned down ANYWHERE, not just the mall. Do you not realize how big a difference that is? ALMOST NOBODY GETS SHOT IN THE US. More (way more, like 3x) people die from the flu for crying out loud, gun violence isn't even in the top 10. Your soap box sucks because its got no actual facts on it... -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts On 03/03/2015 11:45 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Thank you for your efforts to direct the thinking of these foreign individuals to understand this very special American Right. You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate the beauty in a well made firearm. I think it would be interesting to make an AK47 and have watched the video on how to do it. I own a couple of .22 rifles and have been considering something a bit bigger. However, I am happy with the fact that hand guns and automatic weapons are not common in Canada. Let us face it, there are a lot of people out there who should not be permitted to have any sort of firearms. They are stupid, or criminally minded, or careless, or mentally unstable, bad tempered, etc. Being permitted to possess a weapon should require rigorous background checks, formal training, and ongoing checks to make sure things are not changing. Automatic weapons should only be had by the military for war. They should not be sold to anyone with sufficient cash and no obvious criminal record. RB who will now climb down off of the soapbox ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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If some dude pulled that sort of thing at a mall in SC or TX or most any state with a concealed carry law, the dude would not last long enough to wreak too much mayhem. And he would not be using an automatic weapon, nor a semi-automatic for long. --R On 3/3/15 1:00 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: On 03/03/2015 11:45 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Thank you for your efforts to direct the thinking of these foreign individuals to understand this very special American Right. You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate the beauty in a well made firearm. I think it would be interesting to make an AK47 and have watched the video on how to do it. I own a couple of .22 rifles and have been considering something a bit bigger. However, I am happy with the fact that hand guns and automatic weapons are not common in Canada. Let us face it, there are a lot of people out there who should not be permitted to have any sort of firearms. They are stupid, or criminally minded, or careless, or mentally unstable, bad tempered, etc. Being permitted to possess a weapon should require rigorous background checks, formal training, and ongoing checks to make sure things are not changing. Automatic weapons should only be had by the military for war. They should not be sold to anyone with sufficient cash and no obvious criminal record. RB who will now climb down off of the soapbox ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Yeah, what happens in Canada? They apologize him to death? There are bad people in the world. Appeasing the bad people doesn't work. -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts On 03/03/2015 2:12 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: If some dude pulled that sort of thing at a mall in SC or TX or most any state with a concealed carry law, the dude would not last long enough to wreak too much mayhem. And he would not be using an automatic weapon, nor a semi-automatic for long. --R But that just proves my point, does it not? You would shoot him so once again, someone gets shot. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Exactly right. And most likely before the cops could show up to do the deed. And most likely saving (my and) other lives in the process. Exactly right. The interesting thing is, most of these random shootings do not occur in places where the perp is likely to face opposition. They have the foresight to select a soft target, and when it is likely the target will not be soft, the perps either don't do the deed, or go somewhere easier. So deterrence works, and self-protection works. I understand that some people just can't grasp or accept the realities involved. Even in places where the gun laws are stringent, wackos find a way, either with a gun or something else. France and the Charlie Hebdo business comes to mind, even the cop did not have a weapon to defend himself and the people he was guarding. You have the right to your beliefs and I respect that though I disagree and find them puzzling when the facts mitigate against them. But, YMMV. --R (When seconds count, the police are only minutes away) On 3/3/15 3:19 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 03/03/2015 2:12 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: If some dude pulled that sort of thing at a mall in SC or TX or most any state with a concealed carry law, the dude would not last long enough to wreak too much mayhem. And he would not be using an automatic weapon, nor a semi-automatic for long. --R But that just proves my point, does it not? You would shoot him so once again, someone gets shot. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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You are correct. The sale of all new full automatic weapons is forbidden to private ownership since the 1986 law took effect. Only those owned prior to that date are permitted to be owned. The resultant effect has been a huge escalation in value for those guns. The $1,000 dollar full automatic cheaply made AK 47 now sells for $12,000 and up, plus fees for license. Production and sale of full auto continues to the military and select police units. Not private citizens. The mini guns you see on TV may be made for hollywood props ? I have contact with a manufacturer of the mini gun used by the military, and I can tell you, it is tightly and securely controlled.. every part is accounted for under DOD contract. Federal inspectors are on site full time. Interesting fact: If Chicago, Detroit, and NYC firearm murder statistics were removed from the calculations, USA would rate second from the bottom in worldwide number of firearm deaths.. I take note that those three cities have the most draconian gun laws against private ownership in the whole United States.. The conclusion can be made that murderers prefer unarmed victims.. On 3/3/15, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You still need a gun that was originally licensed before the 1986 ban on full autos. I do wonder about the mini-guns I see on TV, must be some special licensing law there... -Curt From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: 'Addison Thompson' as.thomp...@cox.net; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts (Randy Bennell) Many states allow full auto if you have the proper (and expensive) licensing! Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Addison Thompson via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 10:19 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts (Randy Bennell) Randy, Automatic weapons have been illegal in the US since the 1930s. You probably mean semi-automatic weapons which pretty much includes most modern rifles and pistols designs of the past century. Addison On Mar 3, 2015, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: From: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Date: March 3, 2015 10:00:43 AM PST On 03/03/2015 11:45 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Thank you for your efforts to direct the thinking of these foreign individuals to understand this very special American Right. You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate the beauty in a well made firearm. I think it would be interesting to make an AK47 and have watched the video on how to do it. I own a couple of .22 rifles and have been considering something a bit bigger. However, I am happy with the fact that hand guns and automatic weapons are not common in Canada. Let us face it, there are a lot of people out there who should not be permitted to have any sort of firearms. They are stupid, or criminally minded, or careless, or mentally unstable, bad tempered, etc. Being permitted to possess a weapon should require rigorous background checks, formal training, and ongoing checks to make sure things are not changing. Automatic weapons should only be had by the military for war. They should not be sold to anyone with sufficient cash and no obvious criminal record. RB who will now climb down off of the soapbox ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http
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I take notice that those who are fearful of private citizens being in possession of a firearm, when trouble comes,, call for the police, who bring a firearm to protect them... after the fact. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away ... Hoplophobia: It means the fear of firearms. Now recognized as a psychosis, I believe. Some have it and have not been treated.. Some do not have it.. While I respect your illness, I will not participate in it by catching it. On 3/3/15, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yeah, what happens in Canada? They apologize him to death? There are bad people in the world. Appeasing the bad people doesn't work. -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts On 03/03/2015 2:12 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: If some dude pulled that sort of thing at a mall in SC or TX or most any state with a concealed carry law, the dude would not last long enough to wreak too much mayhem. And he would not be using an automatic weapon, nor a semi-automatic for long. --R But that just proves my point, does it not? You would shoot him so once again, someone gets shot. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts -- meenieguns
Rich, et Alles.My car has a gun-sight already for a mini anything.Pedestrians mostly. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 16:23:05 -0500 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts -- meenieguns From: mercedes@okiebenz.com A friend of mine owned a sporting goods store in MA of all places, and had a firearms sales permit, which apparently included automatic weapons. I could see mounting one on the front of the truck. Maybe both. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts -- meenieguns
No doubt in the shape of a 3-pointed star. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Fred Moir via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 1:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts -- meenieguns Rich, et Alles.My car has a gun-sight already for a mini anything.Pedestrians mostly. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 16:23:05 -0500 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts -- meenieguns From: mercedes@okiebenz.com A friend of mine owned a sporting goods store in MA of all places, and had a firearms sales permit, which apparently included automatic weapons. I could see mounting one on the front of the truck. Maybe both. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts -- meenieguns
A friend of mine owned a sporting goods store in MA of all places, and had a firearms sales permit, which apparently included automatic weapons. One night we were socializing and he says he just sold 2 mini-guns to some foreign buyer. These were the things that go like 3000 or 6000 rounds per minute, like mounted on helicopters for hosing down targets quickly. I think they were made by GE or some subsidiary, might have been located in MA, I don't remember. So this was intriguing, turns out his store had the necessary permits for selling and exporting this thing so he was basically just the pass-through on it. I don't recall him ever saying who the buyer was, or if we asked he averred on the identification, which was further intriguing as to who would be buying these, how they had the necessary permits to do so, with the foreign connection, etc. I could see mounting one on the front of the truck. Maybe both. --R On 3/3/15 3:22 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: You are correct. The sale of all new full automatic weapons is forbidden to private ownership since the 1986 law took effect. Only those owned prior to that date are permitted to be owned. The resultant effect has been a huge escalation in value for those guns. The $1,000 dollar full automatic cheaply made AK 47 now sells for $12,000 and up, plus fees for license. Production and sale of full auto continues to the military and select police units. Not private citizens. The mini guns you see on TV may be made for hollywood props ? I have contact with a manufacturer of the mini gun used by the military, and I can tell you, it is tightly and securely controlled.. every part is accounted for under DOD contract. Federal inspectors are on site full time. Interesting fact: If Chicago, Detroit, and NYC firearm murder statistics were removed from the calculations, USA would rate second from the bottom in worldwide number of firearm deaths.. I take note that those three cities have the most draconian gun laws against private ownership in the whole United States.. The conclusion can be made that murderers prefer unarmed victims.. On 3/3/15, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You still need a gun that was originally licensed before the 1986 ban on full autos. I do wonder about the mini-guns I see on TV, must be some special licensing law there... -Curt From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: 'Addison Thompson' as.thomp...@cox.net; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts (Randy Bennell) Many states allow full auto if you have the proper (and expensive) licensing! Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Addison Thompson via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 10:19 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts (Randy Bennell) Randy, Automatic weapons have been illegal in the US since the 1930s. You probably mean semi-automatic weapons which pretty much includes most modern rifles and pistols designs of the past century. Addison On Mar 3, 2015, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: From: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Date: March 3, 2015 10:00:43 AM PST On 03/03/2015 11:45 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Thank you for your efforts to direct the thinking of these foreign individuals to understand this very special American Right. You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate the beauty in a well made firearm. I think it would be interesting to make an AK47 and have watched the video on how to do it. I own a couple of .22 rifles and have been considering something a bit bigger. However, I am happy with the fact that hand guns and automatic weapons are not common in Canada. Let us face it, there are a lot of people out there who should not be permitted to have any sort of firearms. They are stupid, or criminally minded, or careless, or mentally unstable, bad tempered, etc. Being permitted to possess a weapon should require rigorous background checks, formal training, and ongoing checks to make sure things are not changing. Automatic weapons should only be had by the military for war. They should not be sold to anyone with sufficient cash and no obvious criminal record. RB who will now climb down off of the soapbox ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor
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*sigh* If gun laws worked so well why does Canada still have firearms deaths and why are gang related homicides on the rise in Canada while they decline in the USA? -Curt From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Well, there are lies, damned lies, and statistics in that order as I recall. AND unfortunately, people do get shot all of the time. BUT I did not expect that very many of you folks would agree with me even it I was correct. RB On 03/03/2015 2:01 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Sorry Randy your ignorance is showing. It is VERY difficult to own an automatic weapon. There is a licensing process and significant background checks, the gun is licensed much like a car. I believe you're thinking of semi-automatic weapons. Remember you are 100x more likely to die from a medical accident than be gunned down ANYWHERE, not just the mall. Do you not realize how big a difference that is? ALMOST NOBODY GETS SHOT IN THE US. More (way more, like 3x) people die from the flu for crying out loud, gun violence isn't even in the top 10. Your soap box sucks because its got no actual facts on it... -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts On 03/03/2015 11:45 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Thank you for your efforts to direct the thinking of these foreign individuals to understand this very special American Right. You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate the beauty in a well made firearm. I think it would be interesting to make an AK47 and have watched the video on how to do it. I own a couple of .22 rifles and have been considering something a bit bigger. However, I am happy with the fact that hand guns and automatic weapons are not common in Canada. Let us face it, there are a lot of people out there who should not be permitted to have any sort of firearms. They are stupid, or criminally minded, or careless, or mentally unstable, bad tempered, etc. Being permitted to possess a weapon should require rigorous background checks, formal training, and ongoing checks to make sure things are not changing. Automatic weapons should only be had by the military for war. They should not be sold to anyone with sufficient cash and no obvious criminal record. RB who will now climb down off of the soapbox ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On 03/03/2015 2:12 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: If some dude pulled that sort of thing at a mall in SC or TX or most any state with a concealed carry law, the dude would not last long enough to wreak too much mayhem. And he would not be using an automatic weapon, nor a semi-automatic for long. --R But that just proves my point, does it not? You would shoot him so once again, someone gets shot. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts -- meenieguns
Correct... the Mini Gun was developed by General Electric and first used in Vietnam conflict. An improved variant of that original patent is now manufactured by Dillion Precision of Scottsdale AZ. and sold to the military under DOD contract. As for having the necessary Department of Defense [DOD] clearance to sell internationally all it takes is paper and patience... some of that paper must be covered with special green ink, however, so it is not for the garden variety gun dealer. The restrictions have always been tight.. since 911 and the passage of Patriot Act.. it is positively made difficult to qualify and maintain. Then again... We are from the Government and we are here to help you is not the motto government functions under. It is much more We are not happy until you are not happy. ;)) Grant... Rank Civilian.. [comma deliberately omitted] On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A friend of mine owned a sporting goods store in MA of all places, and had a firearms sales permit, which apparently included automatic weapons. One night we were socializing and he says he just sold 2 mini-guns to some foreign buyer. These were the things that go like 3000 or 6000 rounds per minute, like mounted on helicopters for hosing down targets quickly. I think they were made by GE or some subsidiary, might have been located in MA, I don't remember. So this was intriguing, turns out his store had the necessary permits for selling and exporting this thing so he was basically just the pass-through on it. I don't recall him ever saying who the buyer was, or if we asked he averred on the identification, which was further intriguing as to who would be buying these, how they had the necessary permits to do so, with the foreign connection, etc. I could see mounting one on the front of the truck. Maybe both. --R On 3/3/15 3:22 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: You are correct. The sale of all new full automatic weapons is forbidden to private ownership since the 1986 law took effect. Only those owned prior to that date are permitted to be owned. The resultant effect has been a huge escalation in value for those guns. The $1,000 dollar full automatic cheaply made AK 47 now sells for $12,000 and up, plus fees for license. Production and sale of full auto continues to the military and select police units. Not private citizens. The mini guns you see on TV may be made for hollywood props ? I have contact with a manufacturer of the mini gun used by the military, and I can tell you, it is tightly and securely controlled.. every part is accounted for under DOD contract. Federal inspectors are on site full time. Interesting fact: If Chicago, Detroit, and NYC firearm murder statistics were removed from the calculations, USA would rate second from the bottom in worldwide number of firearm deaths.. I take note that those three cities have the most draconian gun laws against private ownership in the whole United States.. The conclusion can be made that murderers prefer unarmed victims.. On 3/3/15, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You still need a gun that was originally licensed before the 1986 ban on full autos. I do wonder about the mini-guns I see on TV, must be some special licensing law there... -Curt From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: 'Addison Thompson' as.thomp...@cox.net; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts (Randy Bennell) Many states allow full auto if you have the proper (and expensive) licensing! Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Addison Thompson via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 10:19 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts (Randy Bennell) Randy, Automatic weapons have been illegal in the US since the 1930s. You probably mean semi-automatic weapons which pretty much includes most modern rifles and pistols designs of the past century. Addison On Mar 3, 2015, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: From: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Date: March 3, 2015 10:00:43 AM PST On 03/03/2015 11:45 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Thank you for your efforts to direct the thinking of these foreign individuals to understand this very special American Right. You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate the beauty in a well made firearm. I think it would be interesting to make an AK47 and have watched the video on how to do it. I own a couple of .22 rifles and have been considering something a bit bigger. However, I am happy with the fact that hand guns and automatic weapons are not common
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The shooting that occurred at the mall in Clackamas, OR in December 2012 was stopped by a licensed armed civilian after the shooter had killed 2 and seriously wounded one. The death toll could have been much worse if an armed civilian were not on the scene. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 6:23 PM To: 'Randy Bennell'; 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Other than the Giffords shooting, is anyone aware of a mass shooting that was not in a safe gun-free zone? -Original Message- From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 1:01 PM ... You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Our faithless and hopey leader, Neville obama Chamberlain, knows that appeasing the bad actors will result in a peace and love utopia for all. Meanwhile the rest of us know that nukes and ICMBs are going to be flying, with the bullets and all manner of religious extremism. Adolph Putin is on an unimpeded march toward Chekoslovakia, then Poland once he has Ukraine. The conniving Hillary (the federal rules don't apply to me) made a mess of the muddled east, and now the catsup cowboy is not any better, but at least he has an official email address. clay On Mar 3, 2015, at 12:22 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Yeah, what happens in Canada? They apologize him to death? There are bad people in the world. Appeasing the bad people doesn't work. -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts On 03/03/2015 2:12 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: If some dude pulled that sort of thing at a mall in SC or TX or most any state with a concealed carry law, the dude would not last long enough to wreak too much mayhem. And he would not be using an automatic weapon, nor a semi-automatic for long. --R But that just proves my point, does it not? You would shoot him so once again, someone gets shot. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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clay wrote: ...will result in a peace and love utopia for all. I like that. When does it start? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Dillon, not Dillion. No relation, but people have asked. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On March 3, 2015 6:14:20 PM EST, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Correct... the Mini Gun was developed by General Electric and first used in Vietnam conflict. An improved variant of that original patent is now manufactured by Dillion Precision of Scottsdale AZ. and sold to the military under DOD contract. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Other than the Giffords shooting, is anyone aware of a mass shooting that was not in a safe gun-free zone? -Original Message- From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 1:01 PM ... You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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When Tsar Vladimir is Tsar of all the Russias.Next year, perhaps?Or do I have too little faith in our dear leader. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 19:31:10 -0600 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts From: mercedes@okiebenz.com clay wrote: ...will result in a peace and love utopia for all. I like that. When does it start? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Actually, the Tucson shooting of Giffords and the other victims did happen in a gun free zone also.. Apparently, criminals intent of violence and murder don't bother to read the signs. Some time back, I read a rather in-depth and factual piece on the Colorado theater mass murder which listed the shooter as having broken 57 gun laws before arriving at the theater to commit mass murder. All those laws did not deter this individual from breaking them. Also, there is now reasonable evidence which demonstrates the shooter selected the particular theater because it did not allow patrons who had concealed carry permits to have their legally owned and carried weapons inside the theater. Imagine that.. It gives rise to the question, would less people have been harmed if someone had the means to protect themselves and the lives of others. On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: When Tsar Vladimir is Tsar of all the Russias.Next year, perhaps?Or do I have too little faith in our dear leader. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 19:31:10 -0600 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts From: mercedes@okiebenz.com clay wrote: ...will result in a peace and love utopia for all. I like that. When does it start? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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once again, someone gets shot. And rightly so, IMO. What other outcome would you prefer? Counseling? No civilian guns in the country? Is there any reason to believe that a comprehensive gun ban would be more effective than prohibition or the war on drugs? We have plenty of examples to show how this works out: like LA, Chicago, and NYC. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Randy Bennell via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:20 PM On 03/03/2015 2:12 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: If some dude pulled that sort of thing at a mall in SC or TX or most any state with a concealed carry law, the dude would not last long enough to wreak too much mayhem. And he would not be using an automatic weapon, nor a semi-automatic for long. --R But that just proves my point, does it not? You would shoot him so once again, someone gets shot. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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It is interesting to note that yesterday, over 280,000,000 American Citizens who are gun owners harmed no one and if they used their guns for any purpose, they did it responsibly. Also interesting is that the vast majority of police officers, who are armed each day of work, and who often are in contact with Citizens who have broken the law, spend their entire professional career without ever drawing their gun and discharging it. Yet, in one TV show alone, in a 20 minute period, as entertainment, I watched actors play police officers who discharged their weapons many times, without regard for who might be downstream of the path of the bullet. I also note that these action hero actors, who are paid huge sums for shooting people for entertainment, are the most outspoken against Second Amendment Right to self defense by any means. [keep and bear arms does not define only firearms] Fact vs Fantasy seems to be something a segment of the world population has difficulty keeping separate. Thank you for your efforts to direct the thinking of these foreign individuals to understand this very special American Right. On 3/2/15, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If they (or most Americans, for that matter) understood the facts, they would be much less eager to surrender their freedoms. -Original Message- From: Raymond via Mercedes Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 3:55 PM I had two guys in class last week from Europe. It took a lot of statistical explaining for them to realize that most everything they thought they knew about the USA and guns was wrong. They kept saying but what we see on TV. and I kept telling them they should know better since they both work for TV stations... While we are all inundated with images of people being shot the chances of any single average person being shot is exceedingly small. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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If they (or most Americans, for that matter) understood the facts, they would be much less eager to surrender their freedoms. -Original Message- From: Raymond via Mercedes Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 3:55 PM I had two guys in class last week from Europe. It took a lot of statistical explaining for them to realize that most everything they thought they knew about the USA and guns was wrong. They kept saying but what we see on TV. and I kept telling them they should know better since they both work for TV stations... While we are all inundated with images of people being shot the chances of any single average person being shot is exceedingly small. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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...I'm beginning to thing Woger must be a politician, notice how when presented with facts that dispute his assertion he just clams up Did I miss something? RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Walt Z wrote: Then figure out how much you paid in, and stop when you take out what you paid in. It's your money, and if you choose to give it away to someone else, then that is your choice. Google that concept. That is simply not what is out there being said. There is no accounting per employee. It has several ways in which the dollars arrive to you when you make the claim, but it is not put in there by me. In all cases, it is put in there by the employer. What I want to know is whether the rate the employer pays increases when a claim is made. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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As a former employer I can assure you that the premiums paid by employers do increase based on their employment history. The amount varies by state, but ranges from about 3% to as much as 20% of the total payroll. The amount is usually based on your past five years of employment history. So you can see that your employer is paying out a significant amount of coin to cover those costs, and this is done in near real time. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Walt Z wrote: Then figure out how much you paid in, and stop when you take out what you paid in. It's your money, and if you choose to give it away to someone else, then that is your choice. Google that concept. That is simply not what is out there being said. There is no accounting per employee. It has several ways in which the dollars arrive to you when you make the claim, but it is not put in there by me. In all cases, it is put in there by the employer. What I want to know is whether the rate the employer pays increases when a claim is made. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dan wrote: As a former employer I can assure you that the premiums paid by employers do increase based on their employment history. The amount varies by state, but ranges from about 3% to as much as 20% of the total payroll. The amount is usually based on your past five years of employment history. Interesting. I thought I read the amount was 0.65%, but 3-20% - that is substantial. I don't want to make anyone upset. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mao, I used to have a company. I was given a rate (percent of my payroll) to pay in as unemployment tax. For each year I had no claims, my rate was reduced. It never went completely away, but it did go down. Several years later, I closed my company and went to work for another company. No claims were ever made against that money that I paid in to unemployment. So, you can use those funds with my blessing and not feel like you are violating your principles. Personally, I have been unemployed for quite a while now. Yes, I get unemployment...not a big amount, but it helps with the bills and puts food on the table. Unemployment and other types of assistance are humbling after having spent decades working to make companies profitable and now I'm too old to be of value to anyone. So, I'll take the unemployment...it's helping me survive those wonderful liberals and socialists that want to destroy the USA and make us like Europe, South America, and Africa. I don't think Russia, India, or China care about us, so maybe we need to start caring about us before it's too late. Take the money and hope for better times and better leaders. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: What I want to know is whether the rate the employer pays increases when a claim is made. Yes, it specifically does. That is why, until recently*, companies would endeavor to fire employees rather than lay them off. In a similar way, some companies intentionally reduce pay and hours so as to have a smaller liability if the employee can not be fired for cause. Honestly, Mr. Chairman, I think you are on the wrong side of this one. I do wish I knew of any CAD jobs, but the place I worked is gone and I didn't keep up with anyone. Best, -Tim *enough lawsuits were won that this seems to have stopped, at least that I've heard about ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
