Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
I didn't notice the typo (obviously) until this morning and wondered who would catch it. -Curt Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 20:36:53 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: 20130920203653.896997eb7477557977099...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 18:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Sure you could, plug it in. I drove a 240D one summer where we hit -20F every morning for a whole week, thats -28C, close enough for government work. If you hit -20F during summer, I'd hate to see what your winters are like! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
They run at higher temps than a water cooled engine, and run at a higher percentage of maximum power most of the time. On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: Why is such heavy oil used in recip aircraft engines? Gerry From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com I don't intend to find out! I did help Dad start a Jacobs R755 radial engine with 50 wt oil in it at -30F once though - it took about two hours of a large kerosene space heater blowing on it before we could turn the prop, much less start it. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
Theres just not that much mass in the engine... I've noticed that mine takes a long time to heat up. I'm having the water pump changed next week, maybe I should have the thermostat done too. Considering the amount of stuff I'm having done it won't add much more money ;) Timing belt water pump the seals around the timing belt plus tensioners and whatnot coolant flush and fill with proper VW G12 Shifter bushings This is of course what I get for buying a car with no history. -Curt Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 11:22:03 -0600 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: cacncphmmq1ynajfegjtw7u2ywh0zyfmpmenxycfrvdvvz2p...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In general its OK. My 2000 Jetta was hard to warm up on the coldest days even in Nashville. And on those same coldest days once it was at operating temperature it would drop down some at traffic lights! but it was a real fuel miser, 50 MPG at 75 MPH was not uncommon. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
I have commented on this before so hope I don't bore anyone. My neighbor accross the lane has a Golf TDI. The first winter, he took it to the dealer to have seat heaters installed because the car did not produce sufficient heat to keep them warm. He says that is understandable. He is a retired Physics professor and says that vehicles that make really good fuel mileage are not as likely to produce good heat. He says that burning fuel is converting one form of energy to another and if one burns lots of fuel then one generally creates a lot of heat as part of that conversion. Thus the old cast iron V8 blocks of our youth used a lot of fuel but made and retained heat well. Modern engines have so much aluminum etc that they also dispel the heat better. Not so good when we need heat. One of the things I see touted for one of the new pickup trucks is active shutters that close off the grill when the temperature sensors say they don't need the airflow. Randy On 20/09/2013 12:57 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Theres just not that much mass in the engine... I've noticed that mine takes a long time to heat up. I'm having the water pump changed next week, maybe I should have the thermostat done too. Considering the amount of stuff I'm having done it won't add much more money ;) Timing belt water pump the seals around the timing belt plus tensioners and whatnot coolant flush and fill with proper VW G12 Shifter bushings This is of course what I get for buying a car with no history. -Curt Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 11:22:03 -0600 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: cacncphmmq1ynajfegjtw7u2ywh0zyfmpmenxycfrvdvvz2p...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In general its OK. My 2000 Jetta was hard to warm up on the coldest days even in Nashville. And on those same coldest days once it was at operating temperature it would drop down some at traffic lights! but it was a real fuel miser, 50 MPG at 75 MPH was not uncommon. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
What was old is new again! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca One of the things I see touted for one of the new pickup trucks is active shutters that close off the grill when the temperature sensors say they don't need the airflow. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
He can't wire a piece of cardboard in front of the radiator? Or at least covering one of the fans? He's right of course, it'll be interesting to see how mine is this winter. They sell a coolant heater specifically for the TDI, 1000w he'd at least be able to start his commute warm. -Curt Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:52:17 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: 523c9961.5050...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I have commented on this before so hope I don't bore anyone. My neighbor accross the lane has a Golf TDI. The first winter, he took it to the dealer to have seat heaters installed because the car did not produce sufficient heat to keep them warm. He says that is understandable. He is a retired Physics professor and says that vehicles that make really good fuel mileage are not as likely to produce good heat. He says that burning fuel is converting one form of energy to another and if one burns lots of fuel then one generally creates a lot of heat as part of that conversion. Thus the old cast iron V8 blocks of our youth used a lot of fuel but made and retained heat well. Modern engines have so much aluminum etc that they also dispel the heat better. Not so good when we need heat. One of the things I see touted for one of the new pickup trucks is active shutters that close off the grill when the temperature sensors say they don't need the airflow. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
A guy on TDI club said the same thing but its a car with an unknown history. If I get 6 months down the road and have to replace the water pump the timing belt has to come out anyway and I'm gonna be pissed. Might as well piggyback on labor already being done. Gonna have the coolant flushed and replaced too. Its probably only 25% coolant 75% water right now, the coolant distribution pipe was leaking and I didn't have any G12 to put in when I refilled. Which reminds me, tomorrow is oil change day. -Curt Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:18:09 -0600 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: CACnCPhmghNDnn=9AChj1oMkjUegt6r5_pkYC6ysTyf_LLPLW=g...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 the water pump is not timing belt driven on the A3. on the A4 it is. if its not leaking it may not be necessary to replace, but if the coolant is skunky and you're in there anyway... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
Probably more likely because the USA has a reasonably warm climate throughout much of it. Esp CA which accounted for a whole lot of vehicles sold. Not needed there, so the poor folks who lived in places like Chicago were ignored. Randy On 20/09/2013 3:21 PM, Frederick Moir wrote: Provincialism? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie On 20/09/2013 3:12 PM, Frederick Moir wrote: Randy. Long ago and far away in Europe, UK especially, flaps, blinds, mobile louvers and cardboard behind the grill, were common on cars. Fancier cars got more sophisticated devices, of course. Rolls Royce had the vertical slats in the grill moved by a thermo-bulb in the radiator header tank, for instance. Saab 96's, and others, had a roller blind in front of the radiator, controlled by a chain from the drivers seat. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. So, why have things like this been so slow in coming to us? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
Wilton. Any favorite engine (s) ? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie J-47 engines on B-47E's. ;) 'Also had GE, Studebaker and Packard engines - sometimes on same airplane. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
Back in the teens and '20s International Harvester offered shutters on tractors setup to burn kerosene. Extra heat was required at the intake manifold to vaporize the kerosene (which was really stove oil not what we think of as kerosene). Later models I believe had some kind of thermostat system to open and close the shutters to stay in the optimal temperature range. -Curt Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 14:58:53 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: 523ca8fd.7090...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed I remember them on things like big Mack trucks but I don't think it is something that has been done on pickup trucks. Randy On 20/09/2013 2:45 PM, Frederick Moir wrote: What was old is new again! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
They don't include 6 cyl MB diesels! Randy On 20/09/2013 3:45 PM, Frederick Moir wrote: Wilton. Any favorite engine (s) ? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
TF-33 on B-52H's (lot better ones with much more power now, though) and OM 603.960 (maybe, better now, too) Wilt - Original Message - From: Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Wilton. Any favorite engine (s) ? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie J-47 engines on B-47E's. ;) 'Also had GE, Studebaker and Packard engines - sometimes on same airplane. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
'They don't incl OM 603.970. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie They don't include 6 cyl MB diesels! Randy On 20/09/2013 3:45 PM, Frederick Moir wrote: Wilton. Any favorite engine (s) ? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
In general its OK. My 2000 Jetta was hard to warm up on the coldest days even in Nashville. And on those same coldest days once it was at operating temperature it would drop down some at traffic lights! but it was a real fuel miser, 50 MPG at 75 MPH was not uncommon. On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm in New England but close enough to the ocean it doesn't get all that cold for all that long. We'll hit -20F one morning every other year or so. I've been driving a diesel car for the past 10 years and the only time I had trouble with not having enough interior heat was the time the fan died on the way to work. That was a cold ride... Mike is in upstate New York, probably colder there than here. There must be plenty of working type people around you with diesel trucks and of course all semi-trucks are diesels. If they didn't have cabin heat people wouldn't use them. You must see the grill blockers around a lot. At one point Ford made cool (well I thought they were cool) plastic inserts for the grills on their trucks. This would have been in the '90s when the grill had big holes. You could put in as many inserts as you needed to keep the engine warm. Pretty invisible in use unlike a blanket or piece of cardboard. I suspect one big advantage in more recent years is higher temp thermostats, the engine is producing heat, as long as you're not wasting it out to the radiator you'll be able to have it in the cab. -Curt Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:49:18 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamiey Message-ID: 523b1cfe.6010...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 18/09/2013 3:31 PM, Fmiser wrote: Curt wrote: You're not really looking at the numbers here, you're saying 20 isn't that much more than 15 but it is 33 1/3% after all. In reality you've made my point again, you've got a 12 year old truck you've driven 66k, not even 6k a year, you're not a diesel truck person. A diesel person drives 25,000 miles or MORE a year. I disagree here. *smiles* A diesel person is one who chooses to drive a diesel. Someone using economics only for making a purchase choice may need to drive that much per year to make diesel a good choice. A true diesel person will buy and drive diesel powered vehicles even if it cost me more to do so. That's me. *grin* Money is a factor in my choice, but it is not the primary factor. -- Philip, diesel fan Where are you Philip? Any of you folks in colder climates? New Englanders maybe? I am wondering how well the diesel trucks produce heat. I am hearing stories around here that suggest they don't produce good heat in winter. Randy who lives in the GWN ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
the water pump is not timing belt driven on the A3. on the A4 it is. if its not leaking it may not be necessary to replace, but if the coolant is skunky and you're in there anyway... On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Theres just not that much mass in the engine... I've noticed that mine takes a long time to heat up. I'm having the water pump changed next week, maybe I should have the thermostat done too. Considering the amount of stuff I'm having done it won't add much more money ;) Timing belt water pump the seals around the timing belt plus tensioners and whatnot coolant flush and fill with proper VW G12 Shifter bushings This is of course what I get for buying a car with no history. -Curt Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 11:22:03 -0600 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: cacncphmmq1ynajfegjtw7u2ywh0zyfmpmenxycfrvdvvz2p...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In general its OK. My 2000 Jetta was hard to warm up on the coldest days even in Nashville. And on those same coldest days once it was at operating temperature it would drop down some at traffic lights! but it was a real fuel miser, 50 MPG at 75 MPH was not uncommon. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
I don't intend to find out! I did help Dad start a Jacobs R755 radial engine with 50 wt oil in it at -30F once though - it took about two hours of a large kerosene space heater blowing on it before we could turn the prop, much less start it. On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I don't have to worry about that with my 115. When it gets really cold, I would never get it to start. I wonder how well the Passat would do when it is minus 30? Randy -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
J-47 engines on B-47E's. ;) 'Also had GE, Studebaker and Packard engines - sometimes on same airplane. Wilton - Original Message - From: Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Wilton. Aircraft or automobile or fire-truck or ground power unit or? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie My Rolls didn't have any stinkin' slats. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Randy. Long ago and far away in Europe, UK especially, flaps, blinds, mobile louvers and cardboard behind the grill, were common on cars. Fancier cars got more sophisticated devices, of course. Rolls Royce had the vertical slats in the grill moved by a thermo-bulb in the radiator header tank, for instance. Saab 96's, and others, had a roller blind in front of the radiator, controlled by a chain from the drivers seat. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie I remember them on things like big Mack trucks but I don't think it is something that has been done on pickup trucks. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
I don't have to worry about that with my 115. When it gets really cold, I would never get it to start. I wonder how well the Passat would do when it is minus 30? Randy On 20/09/2013 4:01 PM, OK Don wrote: Excatly what I did with the W115 cars, both the 220D and the 300D. Haven't needed to since I moved to the newer chassis though. They seemed able to heat the cabin just fine, whether it was 0F or 110F outside :-) The Passat TDI warms up quickly in the cold, and keeps us plenty warm - small, fuel efficient engine produces plenty of heat even at 0F. On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: When we lived in the Black Forest area north of Colorado Springs and had a spell of cold with temperatures down to -23 deg.F., I put a piece of cardboard between the A/C condenser and the radiator. It worked just fine. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 20/09/2013 3:12 PM, Frederick Moir wrote: Randy. Long ago and far away in Europe, UK especially, flaps, blinds, mobile louvers and cardboard behind the grill, were common on cars. Fancier cars got more sophisticated devices, of course. Rolls Royce had the vertical slats in the grill moved by a thermo-bulb in the radiator header tank, for instance. Saab 96's, and others, had a roller blind in front of the radiator, controlled by a chain from the drivers seat. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. So, why have things like this been so slow in coming to us? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
Excatly what I did with the W115 cars, both the 220D and the 300D. Haven't needed to since I moved to the newer chassis though. They seemed able to heat the cabin just fine, whether it was 0F or 110F outside :-) The Passat TDI warms up quickly in the cold, and keeps us plenty warm - small, fuel efficient engine produces plenty of heat even at 0F. On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: When we lived in the Black Forest area north of Colorado Springs and had a spell of cold with temperatures down to -23 deg.F., I put a piece of cardboard between the A/C condenser and the radiator. It worked just fine. Craig -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
He does not commute anymore as he is retired. Even when he was still working, he used the bus to get downtown. Used to see a lot of the winter fronts on vehicles around here - esp pickups - in the winters. I had one on my Suburban for years. Have not seen much cardboard in a long while. Sometimes pieces of carpet. Randy On 20/09/2013 2:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: He can't wire a piece of cardboard in front of the radiator? Or at least covering one of the fans? He's right of course, it'll be interesting to see how mine is this winter. They sell a coolant heater specifically for the TDI, 1000w he'd at least be able to start his commute warm. -Curt Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:52:17 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: 523c9961.5050...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I have commented on this before so hope I don't bore anyone. My neighbor accross the lane has a Golf TDI. The first winter, he took it to the dealer to have seat heaters installed because the car did not produce sufficient heat to keep them warm. He says that is understandable. He is a retired Physics professor and says that vehicles that make really good fuel mileage are not as likely to produce good heat. He says that burning fuel is converting one form of energy to another and if one burns lots of fuel then one generally creates a lot of heat as part of that conversion. Thus the old cast iron V8 blocks of our youth used a lot of fuel but made and retained heat well. Modern engines have so much aluminum etc that they also dispel the heat better. Not so good when we need heat. One of the things I see touted for one of the new pickup trucks is active shutters that close off the grill when the temperature sensors say they don't need the airflow. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Provincialism? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie On 20/09/2013 3:12 PM, Frederick Moir wrote: Randy. Long ago and far away in Europe, UK especially, flaps, blinds, mobile louvers and cardboard behind the grill, were common on cars. Fancier cars got more sophisticated devices, of course. Rolls Royce had the vertical slats in the grill moved by a thermo-bulb in the radiator header tank, for instance. Saab 96's, and others, had a roller blind in front of the radiator, controlled by a chain from the drivers seat. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. So, why have things like this been so slow in coming to us? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My Rolls didn't have any stinkin' slats. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Randy. Long ago and far away in Europe, UK especially, flaps, blinds, mobile louvers and cardboard behind the grill, were common on cars. Fancier cars got more sophisticated devices, of course. Rolls Royce had the vertical slats in the grill moved by a thermo-bulb in the radiator header tank, for instance. Saab 96's, and others, had a roller blind in front of the radiator, controlled by a chain from the drivers seat. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie I remember them on things like big Mack trucks but I don't think it is something that has been done on pickup trucks. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wilton. Aircraft or automobile or fire-truck or ground power unit or? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie My Rolls didn't have any stinkin' slats. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Randy. Long ago and far away in Europe, UK especially, flaps, blinds, mobile louvers and cardboard behind the grill, were common on cars. Fancier cars got more sophisticated devices, of course. Rolls Royce had the vertical slats in the grill moved by a thermo-bulb in the radiator header tank, for instance. Saab 96's, and others, had a roller blind in front of the radiator, controlled by a chain from the drivers seat. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie I remember them on things like big Mack trucks but I don't think it is something that has been done on pickup trucks. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Randy. Long ago and far away in Europe, UK especially, flaps, blinds, mobile louvers and cardboard behind the grill, were common on cars. Fancier cars got more sophisticated devices, of course. Rolls Royce had the vertical slats in the grill moved by a thermo-bulb in the radiator header tank, for instance. Saab 96's, and others, had a roller blind in front of the radiator, controlled by a chain from the drivers seat. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie I remember them on things like big Mack trucks but I don't think it is something that has been done on pickup trucks. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: Randy. Long ago and far away in Europe, UK especially, flaps, blinds, mobile louvers and cardboard behind the grill, were common on cars. Fancier cars got more sophisticated devices, of course. Rolls Royce had the vertical slats in the grill moved by a thermo-bulb in the radiator header tank, for instance. Saab 96's, and others, had a roller blind in front of the radiator, controlled by a chain from the drivers seat. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. When we lived in the Black Forest area north of Colorado Springs and had a spell of cold with temperatures down to -23 deg.F., I put a piece of cardboard between the A/C condenser and the radiator. It worked just fine. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I remember them on things like big Mack trucks but I don't think it is something that has been done on pickup trucks. Randy On 20/09/2013 2:45 PM, Frederick Moir wrote: What was old is new again! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca One of the things I see touted for one of the new pickup trucks is active shutters that close off the grill when the temperature sensors say they don't need the airflow. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sure you could, plug it in. I drove a 240D one summer where we hit -20F every morning for a whole week, thats -28C, close enough for government work. I had a big marine battery I kept in my apartment, first thing in the morning I'd haul it downstairs, hook up my 400w inverter and get the block heater cooking. Run back upstairs and have a shower and breakfast. When I was done I'd run down and start the car which was no problem. Haul the battery back upstairs (3rd floor walkup) and put it on the charger. I learned to bring the inverter and cord in the house too or the cord would be hard to handle. Before I had the battery I'd hook the 240D to my Dakota and Angie would drag us up and down the apartment complex driveway until the car started. I'd just slip it into 3rd and we'd go back and forth, after awhile it'd start popping and I'd put my foot to the floor, pretty quick it'd be firing on one but wouldn't stay running on its own. It wouldn't be long before all 4 were firing. I knew I had to come up with a better solution or Angie would get rid of me. The battery was an inspiration one day. Interestingly if you go on Peachparts they'll tell you a 400w inverter can't run the block heater in a 123 but I know the truth. -Curt Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 16:03:41 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: 523cb82d.2050...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I don't have to worry about that with my 115. When it gets really cold, I would never get it to start. I wonder how well the Passat would do when it is minus 30? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I forgot to mention that I've never had it cold enough my 190D wouldn't start but it hasn't been colder than about -15F here since I've had an OM601. At -15F an OM616 in a 240D is decidedly iffy, a OM601 is no trouble at all. When I bought the battery for the Jetta there were 3 sizes, I picked the biggest... -Curt Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 16:28:06 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: CANZcij-fJVsjfs3pG_Cfm+vA2TVEzRssa3XL4JPq6Fo=zbs...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't intend to find out! I did help Dad start a Jacobs R755 radial engine with 50 wt oil in it at -30F once though - it took about two hours of a large kerosene space heater blowing on it before we could turn the prop, much less start it. On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I don't have to worry about that with my 115. When it gets really cold, I would never get it to start. I wonder how well the Passat would do when it is minus 30? Randy -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 18:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Sure you could, plug it in. I drove a 240D one summer where we hit -20F every morning for a whole week, thats -28C, close enough for government work. If you hit -20F during summer, I'd hate to see what your winters are like! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Why is such heavy oil used in recip aircraft engines? Gerry From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com I don't intend to find out! I did help Dad start a Jacobs R755 radial engine with 50 wt oil in it at -30F once though - it took about two hours of a large kerosene space heater blowing on it before we could turn the prop, much less start it. On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I don't have to worry about that with my 115. When it gets really cold, I would never get it to start. I wonder how well the Passat would do when it is minus 30? Randy -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3222/6186 - Release Date: 09/20/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt wrote: With a 6.2 you certainly don't have the power you'd get with a 5.7 gasser... Actually, you would. A J-code (the one without the EGR) 6.2L specs and drives very much like a 5.7 (350 cid) gasoline engine. But fuel mileage is easily 50% better. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 17/09/2013 5:05 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: A diesel isn't out of the question, but I'd like to avoid having to a steep learning curve with something completely new. A gas 350, or example, is something that will be very easy to manage without much new to learn. Ideally I get something that I just do a major service on, maybe brakes or some suspension, and then have it is be fairly trouble free for a while. Jaime The ultimate question is what you will use it for and my guess is that if you buy a decent truck, you will use it more than you think you might. If you truly think you will only use it sporadically, then I would agree that a basic 2 wheel drive Chevy will suit you fine. I bought a 1968 C10 (2 wheel drive 1/2 ton) with a 292 inline 6 and a powerglide in about 1985 for $750. It was a Plant Science truck from the local university and they put them up for tender. It was a bit rough but not rusty. I bought a junkyard seat and a rebuilt carb and put new tires on it and kept it until about 2 years ago and sold it for $1600. So, I had it roughly 25 years and sold it for more than I paid for it. In the intervening years, I put 2 or 3 or more exhaust systems on it, a starter, a few batteries, had the rad recored, and put a 2nd set of new tires on it, so I did not break even, but it was fairly cheap to own. It had no power steering or brakes and had the radio delete plate. It was pretty basic except for being sort of a heavy half truck. It had coil rear suspension with the half leaf overload springs. Sometimes I kept insurance on it year round and sometimes I let it lapse for the winter. Insurance was cheap on it too. I used it to haul stuff when needed. During the time I had it we built on to our house and I hauled a lot of lumber etc home with it from the local lumber yards. I rarely drove it on the highway very far from home although I did have it out to the cottage 2 or 3 times and that is 175 miles away. It was terrible on fuel and that was one of the discouraging factors. Also during the time I had it, I also had a Suburban for 10 years so I did not need the pickup for a lot of my lake runs. I only drove the pickup about 14000 miles in 25 years. It was handy to have if we had trouble with another vehicle and needed something to drive while fixing the other ones. It was useful for hauling away junk and for hauling in things like garden soil and gravel etc. It was a good truck but it was noisy and unrefined by today's standards. I thought seriously about fixing it up with some bodywork and paint etc but quickly realized I could buy a much newer better riding truck for less than it would cost to decently fix the old truck so I sold it. My wife and my younger son are still a bit miffed about my selling it but it was wasting away since we were not using it and it was sitting out at the lake for the last couple of years we owned it. My younger son is 6'3 and the cabs on those old trucks are not as big as the new ones. He really did not fit it all that well. I also considered it somewhat unsafe compared to the newer trucks with more modern amenities like air bags etc. After I sold my Suburban and subsequently passed on the 4Runner (that replaced the Suburban) to my son, I bought a 98 F150 short box regular cab 4X4 and drove it for a year and liked it well enough that I bouhgt the Supercrew that I am still driving. That was sort of the nail in the coffin for the old pickup as I passed on the short box to my son and we really did not need 3 pickups in the family and the newer ones were so much easier and more comfortable to drive. So, the gist of my long story is that a basic older truck can be useful and inexpensive if you are not going to use it a whole lot. If you find that you like it and use it a lot, you will end up swapping it for a better one. My earlier suggestion was that you bite the bullet and start out with the better one but you need to be the judge of that. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This surprises me, I was always under the impression the 6.2 was a bit under powered. I've never thought a 5.7 underpowered... It reinforces my desire for a 6.2 powered Blazer... -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 01:08:50 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: 20130918010850.37350...@jasper.condray.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Curt wrote: With a 6.2 you certainly don't have the power you'd get with a 5.7 gasser... Actually, you would. A J-code (the one without the EGR) 6.2L specs and drives very much like a 5.7 (350 cid) gasoline engine. But fuel mileage is easily 50% better. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So Jaime is becoming a redneck:) Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 9:34 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: it's time for you to know this. jaime used to confide in me that he wanted to be you On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Jaime is just trying to be more like me. First he moves to the country (I think), then he needs a lawn tractor. Now he wants a pickup. Next thing you know he will have 80 junk cars in his back yard. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i'd agree with curt here. the love of diesel is nice and all but diesel isn't always an answer but the reality is jaime just wants another toy. for as often as he needs to use a truck, he can just rent one and be WAY ahead in overall costs i used to drive a very nice 94 E420, but the head gasket blew. seems to be 30 hours of labor so i went back to driving my clapped out 280CE., this car lacked any sort of creature comforts (the windows didn't even fully roll up) at all and got about 12mpg. when i wanted to do an overnight or day trip, i'd go to an enterprise rent a car where i had a deal where i could show up and take any car left on the lot 10 minutes before closing on saturday and return it same time monday for 20 bucks plus tax. there were always big vans and pickups available. sometimes they were all that was available so think about how often you really NEED a pickup truck and how much it costs to rent vs how much it cots to own full time and i suspect you will discover that renting is much cheaper than owning but renting doen't give you teh fun of playing with a new toy and that is probably what we have here On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: He's gonna pay 2-3x for a diesel and it'll have added maintenance costs. Its not like he's going to commute with it. For trips to the home center or the dump or to retrieve a car a cheap gasser makes more sense than a diesel. If he was gonna do long road trips sure... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:52:07 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: CALHJ_1A+AceL3Rh-vZYhxkMcVs5VqOg+W3b+=aa-rfpenpu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Miles are high for a v8 Ford. Not a great deal. Look further south for less rust. A 3/4 ton with a diesel will get better mpg and haul way more. Early idi models get near 20mpg and have plenty enough power. That truck will get around 12. Older Chevy diesels, 6.2 etc., get great mpg and last forever. Newer Diesels, such as my Powerstroke(with exception to the Cummins), get worse mpg at around 15 or so average but with 450 ft-lbs of torque, who cares? Mike On Sep 17, 2013 11:23 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.frankcoffeyauto.com/1994_Ford_Ford_Milford_NH_174894153.veh Looks good, and the price is right. Google maps says it's 285 miles from Trenton, NJ, 4 hours 52 minutes. Sounds like road trip time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
Curt wrote: With a 6.2 you certainly don't have the power you'd get with a 5.7 gasser... Fmiser wrote: Actually, you would. A J-code (the one without the EGR) 6.2L specs and drives very much like a 5.7 (350 cid) gasoline engine. But fuel mileage is easily 50% better. Curt wrote: This surprises me, I was always under the impression the 6.2 was a bit under powered. I've never thought a 5.7 underpowered... It reinforces my desire for a 6.2 powered Blazer... The C-code has less power (J and C are the letters in the VIN for the engine). It is used in the light duty cars. I believe the non-military Blazers would all be C-code from the factory, but I don't really know. There were two versions of 3/4 ton Suburbans, the one with high GVWR got the J-code engine while the lighter got the C-code. It seems often the cars were setup for max economy with long-legged differential gearing - which, of course, makes them slow. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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As far as I'm concerned the 6.2 is under powered. I've had both the 6.2 and the 6.5. Both in vans and the 6.5 beats the 6.2 hands down and they both got right at 20mpg. Mind it's still not great at pulling but it is better. If you get a Blazer try to find one with the 6.5 turbo on it. If the electronic pump goes out you can still put in a later mechanical pump for less money and be a lot happier. I'm just sad that the turbo doesn't fit in a van. I think my Dodge van with the 318 may have been better at pulling then the 6.2 but it also used a lot more fuel. Manfred Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 08:54:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com This surprises me, I was always under the impression the 6.2 was a bit under powered. I've never thought a 5.7 underpowered... It reinforces my desire for a 6.2 powered Blazer... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not acronyms, initialisms, unless you're going to try to pronounce HPFP which would be hard without vowels... ;) HPFP = High pressure fuel pump which is apparently prone to failure on the Jetta and Beetle from 2009 on although there is disagreement on how many. VW and NTSB say 1-2%, if you read some of the forums it might be as high as 25%. The theory is that our crappy diesel fuel is killing a pump which might be marginal to begin with. Smart money right now says to run a lubricity additive. Passat uses a different HPFP which is supposedly more robust. DEF = Diesel Exhaust Fluid, the oft referred to urea which, contrary to popular opinion is not refined from urine. The Jetta has a filter which fills with diesel soot after awhile, before its completely full the engine runs a regeneration cycle which shoots extra fuel through the engine and burns out the filter. Some folks report the car running poorly during that time, some don't, its hard to know who to believe. The Passat uses DEF and thus doesn't have the filter and its possible problems, this is also why the Passat gets slightly better mileage. -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 11:54:03 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamiey Message-ID: 20130918115403.7b375e8bd31a3326c65b5...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: OK Don will tell you the Passat gets better mileage than the Jetta (its also less prone to HPFP problems and doesn't go through a filter regen cycle although it does require DEF), is roomier and overall probably a better car for a couple grand more. What do the acronyms mean? What does the filter regen cycle do? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Whats the difference between C and J? Can you modify a C to a J? I don't want a 1ton pickup, I guess a 3/4 ton Sub I could live with ;) -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:14:39 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: 20130918131439.51d65...@jasper.condray.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: With a 6.2 you certainly don't have the power you'd get with a 5.7 gasser... Fmiser wrote: Actually, you would.? A J-code (the one without the EGR) 6.2L specs and drives very much like a 5.7 (350 cid) gasoline engine. But fuel mileage is easily 50% better. Curt wrote: This surprises me, I was always under the impression the 6.2 was a bit under powered. I've never thought a 5.7 underpowered... It reinforces my desire for a 6.2 powered Blazer... The C-code has less power (J and C are the letters in the VIN for the engine). It is used in the light duty cars. I believe the non-military Blazers would all be C-code from the factory, but I don't really know. There were two versions of 3/4 ton Suburbans, the one with high GVWR got the J-code engine while the lighter got the C-code. It seems often the cars were setup for max economy with long-legged differential gearing - which, of course, makes them slow. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The 6.2 is the 240D of chevy, yes they are slow and probably considered underpowered by todays standards, but it will pull just about anything you want it to, just slowly. On 9/18/2013 10:54 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: This surprises me, I was always under the impression the 6.2 was a bit under powered. I've never thought a 5.7 underpowered... It reinforces my desire for a 6.2 powered Blazer... -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 01:08:50 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: 20130918010850.37350...@jasper.condray.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Curt wrote: With a 6.2 you certainly don't have the power you'd get with a 5.7 gasser... Actually, you would. A J-code (the one without the EGR) 6.2L specs and drives very much like a 5.7 (350 cid) gasoline engine. But fuel mileage is easily 50% better. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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As I was telling Fred a couple weeks ago Mercedes folks are enthusiasts, VW people are nuts. Diesel people appreciate a finely designed and built engine, gasser people are dang fools. Honestly though if I didn't have a highway commute I'd probably switch to a gasser. It doesn't take much around town with a diesel MB to carbon it up... -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 15:31:07 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamiey Message-ID: 20130918153107.5b12b...@jasper.condray.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Curt wrote: You're not really looking at the numbers here, you're saying 20 isn't that much more than 15 but it is 33 1/3% after all. In reality you've made my point again, you've got a 12 year old truck you've driven 66k, not even 6k a year, you're not a diesel truck person. A diesel person drives 25,000 miles or MORE a year. I disagree here. *smiles* A diesel person is one who chooses to drive a diesel. Someone using economics only for making a purchase choice may need to drive that much per year to make diesel a good choice. A true diesel person will buy and drive diesel powered vehicles even if it cost me more to do so. That's me. *grin* Money is a factor in my choice, but it is not the primary factor. -- Philip, diesel fan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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C is EGR, J is no EGR. All you have to do is swap the intake manifold. On 9/18/2013 2:23 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Whats the difference between C and J? Can you modify a C to a J? I don't want a 1ton pickup, I guess a 3/4 ton Sub I could live with ;) -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:14:39 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: 20130918131439.51d65...@jasper.condray.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: With a 6.2 you certainly don't have the power you'd get with a 5.7 gasser... Fmiser wrote: Actually, you would.? A J-code (the one without the EGR) 6.2L specs and drives very much like a 5.7 (350 cid) gasoline engine. But fuel mileage is easily 50% better. Curt wrote: This surprises me, I was always under the impression the 6.2 was a bit under powered. I've never thought a 5.7 underpowered... It reinforces my desire for a 6.2 powered Blazer... The C-code has less power (J and C are the letters in the VIN for the engine). It is used in the light duty cars. I believe the non-military Blazers would all be C-code from the factory, but I don't really know. There were two versions of 3/4 ton Suburbans, the one with high GVWR got the J-code engine while the lighter got the C-code. It seems often the cars were setup for max economy with long-legged differential gearing - which, of course, makes them slow. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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not until he starts getting some guns and dogs. On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: So Jaime is becoming a redneck:) Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 9:34 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: it's time for you to know this. jaime used to confide in me that he wanted to be you On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Jaime is just trying to be more like me. First he moves to the country (I think), then he needs a lawn tractor. Now he wants a pickup. Next thing you know he will have 80 junk cars in his back yard. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i'd agree with curt here. the love of diesel is nice and all but diesel isn't always an answer but the reality is jaime just wants another toy. for as often as he needs to use a truck, he can just rent one and be WAY ahead in overall costs i used to drive a very nice 94 E420, but the head gasket blew. seems to be 30 hours of labor so i went back to driving my clapped out 280CE., this car lacked any sort of creature comforts (the windows didn't even fully roll up) at all and got about 12mpg. when i wanted to do an overnight or day trip, i'd go to an enterprise rent a car where i had a deal where i could show up and take any car left on the lot 10 minutes before closing on saturday and return it same time monday for 20 bucks plus tax. there were always big vans and pickups available. sometimes they were all that was available so think about how often you really NEED a pickup truck and how much it costs to rent vs how much it cots to own full time and i suspect you will discover that renting is much cheaper than owning but renting doen't give you teh fun of playing with a new toy and that is probably what we have here On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: He's gonna pay 2-3x for a diesel and it'll have added maintenance costs. Its not like he's going to commute with it. For trips to the home center or the dump or to retrieve a car a cheap gasser makes more sense than a diesel. If he was gonna do long road trips sure... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:52:07 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: CALHJ_1A+AceL3Rh-vZYhxkMcVs5VqOg+W3b+=aa-rfpenpu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Miles are high for a v8 Ford. Not a great deal. Look further south for less rust. A 3/4 ton with a diesel will get better mpg and haul way more. Early idi models get near 20mpg and have plenty enough power. That truck will get around 12. Older Chevy diesels, 6.2 etc., get great mpg and last forever. Newer Diesels, such as my Powerstroke(with exception to the Cummins), get worse mpg at around 15 or so average but with 450 ft-lbs of torque, who cares? Mike On Sep 17, 2013 11:23 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.frankcoffeyauto.com/1994_Ford_Ford_Milford_NH_174894153.veh Looks good, and the price is right. Google maps says it's 285 miles from Trenton, NJ, 4 hours 52 minutes. Sounds like road trip time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior
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They probabably cant own guns up there in liberal land. I actually just aquired 10 more guns yesterday. I have 6 riffles and/or shotguns leaned up against my bedroom wall next to my bed while I figure out a place to store them because I have an overflow of guns. On 9/18/2013 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: not until he starts getting some guns and dogs. On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: So Jaime is becoming a redneck:) Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 9:34 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not true. The J code has better head bolts, better main cap bolts, bigger injectors, pump and lines and probably a few more I am missing. That said, I am running an 83 rv engine that is probably the old c code. Runs stronger than my J code engine ever did so who knows? Oh, and the military Blazers should all be J code engines. Mike On Sep 18, 2013 7:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: C is EGR, J is no EGR. All you have to do is swap the intake manifold. On 9/18/2013 2:23 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Whats the difference between C and J? Can you modify a C to a J? I don't want a 1ton pickup, I guess a 3/4 ton Sub I could live with ;) -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:14:39 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: 20130918131439.51d651f4@**Jasper.condray.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: With a 6.2 you certainly don't have the power you'd get with a 5.7 gasser... Fmiser wrote: Actually, you would.? A J-code (the one without the EGR) 6.2L specs and drives very much like a 5.7 (350 cid) gasoline engine. But fuel mileage is easily 50% better. Curt wrote: This surprises me, I was always under the impression the 6.2 was a bit under powered. I've never thought a 5.7 underpowered... It reinforces my desire for a 6.2 powered Blazer... The C-code has less power (J and C are the letters in the VIN for the engine). It is used in the light duty cars. I believe the non-military Blazers would all be C-code from the factory, but I don't really know. There were two versions of 3/4 ton Suburbans, the one with high GVWR got the J-code engine while the lighter got the C-code. It seems often the cars were setup for max economy with long-legged differential gearing - which, of course, makes them slow. --Philip __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.frankcoffeyauto.com/1994_Ford_Ford_Milford_NH_174894153.veh Looks good, and the price is right. Google maps says it's 285 miles from Trenton, NJ, 4 hours 52 minutes. Sounds like road trip time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Miles are high for a v8 Ford. Not a great deal. Look further south for less rust. A 3/4 ton with a diesel will get better mpg and haul way more. Early idi models get near 20mpg and have plenty enough power. That truck will get around 12. Older Chevy diesels, 6.2 etc., get great mpg and last forever. Newer Diesels, such as my Powerstroke(with exception to the Cummins), get worse mpg at around 15 or so average but with 450 ft-lbs of torque, who cares? Mike On Sep 17, 2013 11:23 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.frankcoffeyauto.com/1994_Ford_Ford_Milford_NH_174894153.veh Looks good, and the price is right. Google maps says it's 285 miles from Trenton, NJ, 4 hours 52 minutes. Sounds like road trip time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
He's gonna pay 2-3x for a diesel and it'll have added maintenance costs. Its not like he's going to commute with it. For trips to the home center or the dump or to retrieve a car a cheap gasser makes more sense than a diesel. If he was gonna do long road trips sure... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:52:07 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: CALHJ_1A+AceL3Rh-vZYhxkMcVs5VqOg+W3b+=aa-rfpenpu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Miles are high for a v8 Ford. Not a great deal. Look further south for less rust. A 3/4 ton with a diesel will get better mpg and haul way more. Early idi models get near 20mpg and have plenty enough power. That truck will get around 12. Older Chevy diesels, 6.2 etc., get great mpg and last forever. Newer Diesels, such as my Powerstroke(with exception to the Cummins), get worse mpg at around 15 or so average but with 450 ft-lbs of torque, who cares? Mike On Sep 17, 2013 11:23 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.frankcoffeyauto.com/1994_Ford_Ford_Milford_NH_174894153.veh Looks good, and the price is right. Google maps says it's 285 miles from Trenton, NJ, 4 hours 52 minutes. Sounds like road trip time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i'd agree with curt here. the love of diesel is nice and all but diesel isn't always an answer but the reality is jaime just wants another toy. for as often as he needs to use a truck, he can just rent one and be WAY ahead in overall costs i used to drive a very nice 94 E420, but the head gasket blew. seems to be 30 hours of labor so i went back to driving my clapped out 280CE., this car lacked any sort of creature comforts (the windows didn't even fully roll up) at all and got about 12mpg. when i wanted to do an overnight or day trip, i'd go to an enterprise rent a car where i had a deal where i could show up and take any car left on the lot 10 minutes before closing on saturday and return it same time monday for 20 bucks plus tax. there were always big vans and pickups available. sometimes they were all that was available so think about how often you really NEED a pickup truck and how much it costs to rent vs how much it cots to own full time and i suspect you will discover that renting is much cheaper than owning but renting doen't give you teh fun of playing with a new toy and that is probably what we have here On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: He's gonna pay 2-3x for a diesel and it'll have added maintenance costs. Its not like he's going to commute with it. For trips to the home center or the dump or to retrieve a car a cheap gasser makes more sense than a diesel. If he was gonna do long road trips sure... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:52:07 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: CALHJ_1A+AceL3Rh-vZYhxkMcVs5VqOg+W3b+=aa-rfpenpu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Miles are high for a v8 Ford. Not a great deal. Look further south for less rust. A 3/4 ton with a diesel will get better mpg and haul way more. Early idi models get near 20mpg and have plenty enough power. That truck will get around 12. Older Chevy diesels, 6.2 etc., get great mpg and last forever. Newer Diesels, such as my Powerstroke(with exception to the Cummins), get worse mpg at around 15 or so average but with 450 ft-lbs of torque, who cares? Mike On Sep 17, 2013 11:23 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.frankcoffeyauto.com/1994_Ford_Ford_Milford_NH_174894153.veh Looks good, and the price is right. Google maps says it's 285 miles from Trenton, NJ, 4 hours 52 minutes. Sounds like road trip time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have to question the added maintenance costs. Really? My old idi's just go on and on with minimal maint. My friends with gassers that sit a lot are always fiddling with plug wires or stale gas to get them going for an occasional mission. I just go out and give the old 6.2 a crank, let the smoke clear and off we go. I will say that is often not as easy as it sounds in the middle of the winter, that is where a gasser with efi is nice. The older Fords are well within the $3000 budget. While harder to find not rusted away the square body Chevy's are as well. Keep an eye out and you can steal a heavy diesel truck from someone looking to downsize. I got my 97 f250 Powerstroke for $2500 because it sat for 3 years and needed some work to get going. Now it is an $8000 truck up here because it has no rust and looks new. Be patient and keep a close eye on Craigslist. Just saw a one owner 2000 diesel 4wd Excursion for $2000high miles but looks nice and says drives nice. Mike On Sep 17, 2013 1:37 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: He's gonna pay 2-3x for a diesel and it'll have added maintenance costs. Its not like he's going to commute with it. For trips to the home center or the dump or to retrieve a car a cheap gasser makes more sense than a diesel. If he was gonna do long road trips sure... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:52:07 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: CALHJ_1A+AceL3Rh-vZYhxkMcVs5VqOg+W3b+=aa-rfpenpu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Miles are high for a v8 Ford. Not a great deal. Look further south for less rust. A 3/4 ton with a diesel will get better mpg and haul way more. Early idi models get near 20mpg and have plenty enough power. That truck will get around 12. Older Chevy diesels, 6.2 etc., get great mpg and last forever. Newer Diesels, such as my Powerstroke(with exception to the Cummins), get worse mpg at around 15 or so average but with 450 ft-lbs of torque, who cares? Mike On Sep 17, 2013 11:23 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.frankcoffeyauto.com/1994_Ford_Ford_Milford_NH_174894153.veh Looks good, and the price is right. Google maps says it's 285 miles from Trenton, NJ, 4 hours 52 minutes. Sounds like road trip time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
With the Ford don't you give up a lot of the fuel economy reason for having one? With a 6.2 you certainly don't have the power you'd get with a 5.7 gasser... Lets not count out a Dakota either. My '96 had 222,000 miles when I got rid of it, it was big enough to haul a small car (actually it should haul a big car, we hauled a 4400# farm tractor with it) and a good size bed although not a real 8 footer... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:55:32 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: calhj_1d-x1zzm_zsw+0xqy1htuj-ofkwp2mss0r7gezffzn...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have to question the added maintenance costs. Really? My old idi's just go on and on with minimal maint. My friends with gassers that sit a lot are always fiddling with plug wires or stale gas to get them going for an occasional mission. I just go out and give the old 6.2 a crank, let the smoke clear and off we go. I will say that is often not as easy as it sounds in the middle of the winter, that is where a gasser with efi is nice. The older Fords are well within the $3000 budget. While harder to find not rusted away the square body Chevy's are as well. Keep an eye out and you can steal a heavy diesel truck from someone looking to downsize. I got my 97 f250 Powerstroke for $2500 because it sat for 3 years and needed some work to get going. Now it is an $8000 truck up here because it has no rust and looks new. Be patient and keep a close eye on Craigslist. Just saw a one owner 2000 diesel 4wd Excursion for $2000high miles but looks nice and says drives nice. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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'Used the Ford trailer with MB 123 wheel covers and three-pointed star on the tailgate today; noticed right tire pressure low and cracking with age; probably time for newer tires on it. These are probably only 10 - 12 years old. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie I rented a pickup a couple months ago to tow my 240D home. I paid around $150 for 24 hours for a Chevy extended cab v6 4wd which as Gary says really isn't that bad at all. I towed a car (carefully!) and returned the truck with them none the wiser. That was me just walking in off the street, I'm sure you could find a better deal online. Home Depot has hourly rentals which are pretty cheap if all you needed was to bring a load of lumber home... Of course Wilton has always made do with a trailer but Jamie did mention the occasional car hauling. -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:49:23 -0400 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: caciok3sgtqtgupxv7fgc-n7ixehwx_hcz6chrcjwpdx_dcz...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i'd agree with curt here. the love of diesel is nice and all but diesel isn't always an answer but the reality is jaime just wants another toy. for as often as he needs to use a truck, he can just rent one and be WAY ahead in overall costs i used to drive a very nice 94 E420, but the head gasket blew. seems to be 30 hours of labor so i went back to driving my clapped out 280CE., this car lacked any sort of creature comforts (the windows didn't even fully roll up) at all and got about 12mpg. when i wanted to do an overnight or day trip, i'd go to an enterprise rent a car where i had a deal where i could show up and take any car left on the lot 10 minutes before closing on saturday and return it same time monday for 20 bucks plus tax. there were always big vans and pickups available. sometimes they were all that was available so think about how often you really NEED a pickup truck and how much it costs to rent vs how much it cots to own full time and i suspect you will discover that renting is much cheaper than owning but renting doen't give you teh fun of playing with a new toy and that is probably what we have here ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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fine, diminish he who might point out the emperor has no clothes On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: Reality is that Gary doesn't know what I'm looking for! Lots of good points being made here (other than Gary's), so thanks for the input. A diesel isn't out of the question, but I'd like to avoid having to a steep learning curve with something completely new. A gas 350, or example, is something that will be very easy to manage without much new to learn. Ideally I get something that I just do a major service on, maybe brakes or some suspension, and then have it is be fairly trouble free for a while. Jaime On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i'd agree with curt here. the love of diesel is nice and all but diesel isn't always an answer but the reality is jaime just wants another toy. for as often as he needs to use a truck, he can just rent one and be WAY ahead in overall costs i used to drive a very nice 94 E420, but the head gasket blew. seems to be 30 hours of labor so i went back to driving my clapped out 280CE., this car lacked any sort of creature comforts (the windows didn't even fully roll up) at all and got about 12mpg. when i wanted to do an overnight or day trip, i'd go to an enterprise rent a car where i had a deal where i could show up and take any car left on the lot 10 minutes before closing on saturday and return it same time monday for 20 bucks plus tax. there were always big vans and pickups available. sometimes they were all that was available so think about how often you really NEED a pickup truck and how much it costs to rent vs how much it cots to own full time and i suspect you will discover that renting is much cheaper than owning but renting doen't give you teh fun of playing with a new toy and that is probably what we have here On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: He's gonna pay 2-3x for a diesel and it'll have added maintenance costs. Its not like he's going to commute with it. For trips to the home center or the dump or to retrieve a car a cheap gasser makes more sense than a diesel. If he was gonna do long road trips sure... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:52:07 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: CALHJ_1A+AceL3Rh-vZYhxkMcVs5VqOg+W3b+= aa-rfpenpu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Miles are high for a v8 Ford. Not a great deal. Look further south for less rust. A 3/4 ton with a diesel will get better mpg and haul way more. Early idi models get near 20mpg and have plenty enough power. That truck will get around 12. Older Chevy diesels, 6.2 etc., get great mpg and last forever. Newer Diesels, such as my Powerstroke(with exception to the Cummins), get worse mpg at around 15 or so average but with 450 ft-lbs of torque, who cares? Mike On Sep 17, 2013 11:23 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.frankcoffeyauto.com/1994_Ford_Ford_Milford_NH_174894153.veh Looks good, and the price is right. Google maps says it's 285 miles from Trenton, NJ, 4 hours 52 minutes. Sounds like road trip time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have a 2001 F-250. Got it new, love it. Diesel was 4K$ more at the time, and it just wasn't worth it, even though fuel was cheaper then. If you tow all the time for a living, then a diesel is a good thing. If you're buying a utility truck to go to the lake, pick up lawn stuff, and in general haul stuff around but not for a living, then gas is great. Now that the cost of diesel is so far north of gas, I am convinced my lil ole F-250 gasser was a good choice. Now I got 66K miles on it. It will still be here when the crematorium is messing with me (c: From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Reality is that Gary doesn't know what I'm looking for! Lots of good points being made here (other than Gary's), so thanks for the input. A diesel isn't out of the question, but I'd like to avoid having to a steep learning curve with something completely new. A gas 350, or example, is something that will be very easy to manage without much new to learn. Ideally I get something that I just do a major service on, maybe brakes or some suspension, and then have it is be fairly trouble free for a while. Jaime On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i'd agree with curt here. the love of diesel is nice and all but diesel isn't always an answer but the reality is jaime just wants another toy. for as often as he needs to use a truck, he can just rent one and be WAY ahead in overall costs i used to drive a very nice 94 E420, but the head gasket blew. seems to be 30 hours of labor so i went back to driving my clapped out 280CE., this car lacked any sort of creature comforts (the windows didn't even fully roll up) at all and got about 12mpg. when i wanted to do an overnight or day trip, i'd go to an enterprise rent a car where i had a deal where i could show up and take any car left on the lot 10 minutes before closing on saturday and return it same time monday for 20 bucks plus tax. there were always big vans and pickups available. sometimes they were all that was available so think about how often you really NEED a pickup truck and how much it costs to rent vs how much it cots to own full time and i suspect you will discover that renting is much cheaper than owning but renting doen't give you teh fun of playing with a new toy and that is probably what we have here On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: He's gonna pay 2-3x for a diesel and it'll have added maintenance costs. Its not like he's going to commute with it. For trips to the home center or the dump or to retrieve a car a cheap gasser makes more sense than a diesel. If he was gonna do long road trips sure... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:52:07 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: CALHJ_1A+AceL3Rh-vZYhxkMcVs5VqOg+W3b+=aa-rfpenpu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Miles are high for a v8 Ford. Not a great deal. Look further south for less rust. A 3/4 ton with a diesel will get better mpg and haul way more. Early idi models get near 20mpg and have plenty enough power. That truck will get around 12. Older Chevy diesels, 6.2 etc., get great mpg and last forever. Newer Diesels, such as my Powerstroke(with exception to the Cummins), get worse mpg at around 15 or so average but with 450 ft-lbs of torque, who cares? Mike On Sep 17, 2013 11:23 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.frankcoffeyauto.com/1994_Ford_Ford_Milford_NH_174894153.veh Looks good, and the price is right. Google maps says it's 285 miles from Trenton, NJ, 4 hours 52 minutes. Sounds like road trip time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
Reality is that Gary doesn't know what I'm looking for! Lots of good points being made here (other than Gary's), so thanks for the input. A diesel isn't out of the question, but I'd like to avoid having to a steep learning curve with something completely new. A gas 350, or example, is something that will be very easy to manage without much new to learn. Ideally I get something that I just do a major service on, maybe brakes or some suspension, and then have it is be fairly trouble free for a while. Jaime On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i'd agree with curt here. the love of diesel is nice and all but diesel isn't always an answer but the reality is jaime just wants another toy. for as often as he needs to use a truck, he can just rent one and be WAY ahead in overall costs i used to drive a very nice 94 E420, but the head gasket blew. seems to be 30 hours of labor so i went back to driving my clapped out 280CE., this car lacked any sort of creature comforts (the windows didn't even fully roll up) at all and got about 12mpg. when i wanted to do an overnight or day trip, i'd go to an enterprise rent a car where i had a deal where i could show up and take any car left on the lot 10 minutes before closing on saturday and return it same time monday for 20 bucks plus tax. there were always big vans and pickups available. sometimes they were all that was available so think about how often you really NEED a pickup truck and how much it costs to rent vs how much it cots to own full time and i suspect you will discover that renting is much cheaper than owning but renting doen't give you teh fun of playing with a new toy and that is probably what we have here On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: He's gonna pay 2-3x for a diesel and it'll have added maintenance costs. Its not like he's going to commute with it. For trips to the home center or the dump or to retrieve a car a cheap gasser makes more sense than a diesel. If he was gonna do long road trips sure... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:52:07 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: CALHJ_1A+AceL3Rh-vZYhxkMcVs5VqOg+W3b+=aa-rfpenpu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Miles are high for a v8 Ford. Not a great deal. Look further south for less rust. A 3/4 ton with a diesel will get better mpg and haul way more. Early idi models get near 20mpg and have plenty enough power. That truck will get around 12. Older Chevy diesels, 6.2 etc., get great mpg and last forever. Newer Diesels, such as my Powerstroke(with exception to the Cummins), get worse mpg at around 15 or so average but with 450 ft-lbs of torque, who cares? Mike On Sep 17, 2013 11:23 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.frankcoffeyauto.com/1994_Ford_Ford_Milford_NH_174894153.veh Looks good, and the price is right. Google maps says it's 285 miles from Trenton, NJ, 4 hours 52 minutes. Sounds like road trip time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
I rented a pickup a couple months ago to tow my 240D home. I paid around $150 for 24 hours for a Chevy extended cab v6 4wd which as Gary says really isn't that bad at all. I towed a car (carefully!) and returned the truck with them none the wiser. That was me just walking in off the street, I'm sure you could find a better deal online. Home Depot has hourly rentals which are pretty cheap if all you needed was to bring a load of lumber home... Of course Wilton has always made do with a trailer but Jamie did mention the occasional car hauling. -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:49:23 -0400 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: caciok3sgtqtgupxv7fgc-n7ixehwx_hcz6chrcjwpdx_dcz...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i'd agree with curt here. the love of diesel is nice and all but diesel isn't always an answer but the reality is jaime just wants another toy. for as often as he needs to use a truck, he can just rent one and be WAY ahead in overall costs i used to drive a very nice 94 E420, but the head gasket blew. seems to be 30 hours of labor so i went back to driving my clapped out 280CE., this car lacked any sort of creature comforts (the windows didn't even fully roll up) at all and got about 12mpg. when i wanted to do an overnight or day trip, i'd go to an enterprise rent a car where i had a deal where i could show up and take any car left on the lot 10 minutes before closing on saturday and return it same time monday for 20 bucks plus tax. there were always big vans and pickups available. sometimes they were all that was available so think about how often you really NEED a pickup truck and how much it costs to rent vs how much it cots to own full time and i suspect you will discover that renting is much cheaper than owning but renting doen't give you teh fun of playing with a new toy and that is probably what we have here ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
So far north of gas? I got my aunt with this the other day, they have a diesel Passat and a gasser Volvo. We talked it out and if you aim low on the Passat and say 40mpg and say 30mpg on the Volvo which is probably slightly optimistic that gives the Passat a 33% advantage right? If gas is $3.65 and diesel is $4 (and thats a bad spread, its not as bad here) thats 35 cents difference or around 9%. So my contention is that you spend an extra 9 cents to save 33. You don't have to hit me twice with a stick... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:19:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: 1379456364.48504.yahoomail...@web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have a 2001 F-250. ?Got it new, love it. ?Diesel was 4K$ more at the time, and it just wasn't worth it, even though fuel was cheaper then. ?If you tow all the time for a living, then a diesel is a good thing. ?If you're buying a utility truck to go to the lake, pick up lawn stuff, and in general haul stuff around but not for a living, then gas is great. ?Now that the cost of diesel is so far north of gas, I am convinced my lil ole F-250 gasser was a good choice. Now I got 66K miles on it. ?It will still be here when the crematorium is messing with me (c: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My 6.2 has just as much power as a 350 gasser and gets better mpg. It hauls my crewcab with 10k pound trailer and a fullsize pickup just fine. A 350 would be working hard and getting worse mpg. Yeah, you sort of give up economy. Until you look at how much fuel a gasser that will pull like a Powerstroke burns when working hard. Then it seems like a pretty good trade. Mike On Sep 17, 2013 6:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: With the Ford don't you give up a lot of the fuel economy reason for having one? With a 6.2 you certainly don't have the power you'd get with a 5.7 gasser... Lets not count out a Dakota either. My '96 had 222,000 miles when I got rid of it, it was big enough to haul a small car (actually it should haul a big car, we hauled a 4400# farm tractor with it) and a good size bed although not a real 8 footer... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:55:32 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: calhj_1d-x1zzm_zsw+0xqy1htuj-ofkwp2mss0r7gezffzn...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have to question the added maintenance costs. Really? My old idi's just go on and on with minimal maint. My friends with gassers that sit a lot are always fiddling with plug wires or stale gas to get them going for an occasional mission. I just go out and give the old 6.2 a crank, let the smoke clear and off we go. I will say that is often not as easy as it sounds in the middle of the winter, that is where a gasser with efi is nice. The older Fords are well within the $3000 budget. While harder to find not rusted away the square body Chevy's are as well. Keep an eye out and you can steal a heavy diesel truck from someone looking to downsize. I got my 97 f250 Powerstroke for $2500 because it sat for 3 years and needed some work to get going. Now it is an $8000 truck up here because it has no rust and looks new. Be patient and keep a close eye on Craigslist. Just saw a one owner 2000 diesel 4wd Excursion for $2000high miles but looks nice and says drives nice. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
Jaime Kopchinski wrote: But this is more realistic: http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/4050953148.html How many miles has it been since the intake was hooked up to a functioning air filter? My Horizon had a KN in it from about 30k mi. It was running OK when I parked it at 232k mi, but by the time it hit 150k (M1 oil changed every 7500 miles) it no longer had enough compression to park it on a boat ramp without the parking brake. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This is kinda cool: http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/4062231342.html On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: My 6.2 has just as much power as a 350 gasser and gets better mpg. It hauls my crewcab with 10k pound trailer and a fullsize pickup just fine. A 350 would be working hard and getting worse mpg. Yeah, you sort of give up economy. Until you look at how much fuel a gasser that will pull like a Powerstroke burns when working hard. Then it seems like a pretty good trade. Mike On Sep 17, 2013 6:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: With the Ford don't you give up a lot of the fuel economy reason for having one? With a 6.2 you certainly don't have the power you'd get with a 5.7 gasser... Lets not count out a Dakota either. My '96 had 222,000 miles when I got rid of it, it was big enough to haul a small car (actually it should haul a big car, we hauled a 4400# farm tractor with it) and a good size bed although not a real 8 footer... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:55:32 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: calhj_1d-x1zzm_zsw+0xqy1htuj-ofkwp2mss0r7gezffzn...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have to question the added maintenance costs. Really? My old idi's just go on and on with minimal maint. My friends with gassers that sit a lot are always fiddling with plug wires or stale gas to get them going for an occasional mission. I just go out and give the old 6.2 a crank, let the smoke clear and off we go. I will say that is often not as easy as it sounds in the middle of the winter, that is where a gasser with efi is nice. The older Fords are well within the $3000 budget. While harder to find not rusted away the square body Chevy's are as well. Keep an eye out and you can steal a heavy diesel truck from someone looking to downsize. I got my 97 f250 Powerstroke for $2500 because it sat for 3 years and needed some work to get going. Now it is an $8000 truck up here because it has no rust and looks new. Be patient and keep a close eye on Craigslist. Just saw a one owner 2000 diesel 4wd Excursion for $2000high miles but looks nice and says drives nice. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
But this is more realistic: http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/4050953148.html On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: This is kinda cool: http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/4062231342.html On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: My 6.2 has just as much power as a 350 gasser and gets better mpg. It hauls my crewcab with 10k pound trailer and a fullsize pickup just fine. A 350 would be working hard and getting worse mpg. Yeah, you sort of give up economy. Until you look at how much fuel a gasser that will pull like a Powerstroke burns when working hard. Then it seems like a pretty good trade. Mike On Sep 17, 2013 6:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: With the Ford don't you give up a lot of the fuel economy reason for having one? With a 6.2 you certainly don't have the power you'd get with a 5.7 gasser... Lets not count out a Dakota either. My '96 had 222,000 miles when I got rid of it, it was big enough to haul a small car (actually it should haul a big car, we hauled a 4400# farm tractor with it) and a good size bed although not a real 8 footer... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:55:32 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: calhj_1d-x1zzm_zsw+0xqy1htuj-ofkwp2mss0r7gezffzn...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have to question the added maintenance costs. Really? My old idi's just go on and on with minimal maint. My friends with gassers that sit a lot are always fiddling with plug wires or stale gas to get them going for an occasional mission. I just go out and give the old 6.2 a crank, let the smoke clear and off we go. I will say that is often not as easy as it sounds in the middle of the winter, that is where a gasser with efi is nice. The older Fords are well within the $3000 budget. While harder to find not rusted away the square body Chevy's are as well. Keep an eye out and you can steal a heavy diesel truck from someone looking to downsize. I got my 97 f250 Powerstroke for $2500 because it sat for 3 years and needed some work to get going. Now it is an $8000 truck up here because it has no rust and looks new. Be patient and keep a close eye on Craigslist. Just saw a one owner 2000 diesel 4wd Excursion for $2000high miles but looks nice and says drives nice. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:51:21 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: But this is more realistic: http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/4050953148.html 1994 Chevy Silverado 1500 with Extended Cab, 8ft Bed w/Bedliner, All power options, 5.7L V8 with Automatic Trans, A/C, KN Intake Tune Kit, Lots of New Parts. This truck is in great shape: No Rust, No Accidents (Clear Title) with 140K Miles (Highway) $2900 OBO. No Texting, Please Call: 862 823 1984 On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: This is kinda cool: http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/4062231342.html 1972 Chevy C10. 350 Crate engine with less than 20k. 3spd manual transmission. Good clutch. 12 bolt rear. Dual chrome exhaust stacks! Runs GREAT! Needs cosmetics. Truck was in PA during Sandy. Easy makeover or great shop truck or farm truck! $2450 or best cash offer. Call or text Joe @ 908-216-4565 Thanks for looking! Why would the 1994 Silverado with Extended Cab be more realistic? Note the presence of KN Intake Tune Kit. That could mean one of the it doesn't filter very much KN filters, which would imply quite worn rings like running without an air filter gives. The 1972 has a manual transmission, which would be my choice. In addition, it has 20 kmi on a crate engine. Of course, the air filter housing in the last picture brings up questions, though it's not there in the second picture. The only cosmetic things I see are the tailgate (which a rattle can of spray paint would take care of) and overspray on the inside door trim on the driver's door. Craig Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Get rid of the stacks and the 72 is a much better investment. Can't get easier to work on. Nowhere near as comfortable or efficient but the coolness factor makes up for that. Mike On Sep 17, 2013 7:52 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:51:21 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: But this is more realistic: http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/4050953148.html 1994 Chevy Silverado 1500 with Extended Cab, 8ft Bed w/Bedliner, All power options, 5.7L V8 with Automatic Trans, A/C, KN Intake Tune Kit, Lots of New Parts. This truck is in great shape: No Rust, No Accidents (Clear Title) with 140K Miles (Highway) $2900 OBO. No Texting, Please Call: 862 823 1984 On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: This is kinda cool: http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/4062231342.html 1972 Chevy C10. 350 Crate engine with less than 20k. 3spd manual transmission. Good clutch. 12 bolt rear. Dual chrome exhaust stacks! Runs GREAT! Needs cosmetics. Truck was in PA during Sandy. Easy makeover or great shop truck or farm truck! $2450 or best cash offer. Call or text Joe @ 908-216-4565 Thanks for looking! Why would the 1994 Silverado with Extended Cab be more realistic? Note the presence of KN Intake Tune Kit. That could mean one of the it doesn't filter very much KN filters, which would imply quite worn rings like running without an air filter gives. The 1972 has a manual transmission, which would be my choice. In addition, it has 20 kmi on a crate engine. Of course, the air filter housing in the last picture brings up questions, though it's not there in the second picture. The only cosmetic things I see are the tailgate (which a rattle can of spray paint would take care of) and overspray on the inside door trim on the driver's door. Craig Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
Jaime is just trying to be more like me. First he moves to the country (I think), then he needs a lawn tractor. Now he wants a pickup. Next thing you know he will have 80 junk cars in his back yard. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i'd agree with curt here. the love of diesel is nice and all but diesel isn't always an answer but the reality is jaime just wants another toy. for as often as he needs to use a truck, he can just rent one and be WAY ahead in overall costs i used to drive a very nice 94 E420, but the head gasket blew. seems to be 30 hours of labor so i went back to driving my clapped out 280CE., this car lacked any sort of creature comforts (the windows didn't even fully roll up) at all and got about 12mpg. when i wanted to do an overnight or day trip, i'd go to an enterprise rent a car where i had a deal where i could show up and take any car left on the lot 10 minutes before closing on saturday and return it same time monday for 20 bucks plus tax. there were always big vans and pickups available. sometimes they were all that was available so think about how often you really NEED a pickup truck and how much it costs to rent vs how much it cots to own full time and i suspect you will discover that renting is much cheaper than owning but renting doen't give you teh fun of playing with a new toy and that is probably what we have here On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: He's gonna pay 2-3x for a diesel and it'll have added maintenance costs. Its not like he's going to commute with it. For trips to the home center or the dump or to retrieve a car a cheap gasser makes more sense than a diesel. If he was gonna do long road trips sure... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:52:07 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: CALHJ_1A+AceL3Rh-vZYhxkMcVs5VqOg+W3b+=aa-rfpenpu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Miles are high for a v8 Ford. Not a great deal. Look further south for less rust. A 3/4 ton with a diesel will get better mpg and haul way more. Early idi models get near 20mpg and have plenty enough power. That truck will get around 12. Older Chevy diesels, 6.2 etc., get great mpg and last forever. Newer Diesels, such as my Powerstroke(with exception to the Cummins), get worse mpg at around 15 or so average but with 450 ft-lbs of torque, who cares? Mike On Sep 17, 2013 11:23 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.frankcoffeyauto.com/1994_Ford_Ford_Milford_NH_174894153.veh Looks good, and the price is right. Google maps says it's 285 miles from Trenton, NJ, 4 hours 52 minutes. Sounds like road trip time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
If I were in your boat a 350 Chevy is exactly what I would get. That suburban toad had for a long time then I had travelled all over the country hauling cars, it had about 260k and did not use a drop of oil. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 5:05 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Reality is that Gary doesn't know what I'm looking for! Lots of good points being made here (other than Gary's), so thanks for the input. A diesel isn't out of the question, but I'd like to avoid having to a steep learning curve with something completely new. A gas 350, or example, is something that will be very easy to manage without much new to learn. Ideally I get something that I just do a major service on, maybe brakes or some suspension, and then have it is be fairly trouble free for a while. Jaime On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i'd agree with curt here. the love of diesel is nice and all but diesel isn't always an answer but the reality is jaime just wants another toy. for as often as he needs to use a truck, he can just rent one and be WAY ahead in overall costs i used to drive a very nice 94 E420, but the head gasket blew. seems to be 30 hours of labor so i went back to driving my clapped out 280CE., this car lacked any sort of creature comforts (the windows didn't even fully roll up) at all and got about 12mpg. when i wanted to do an overnight or day trip, i'd go to an enterprise rent a car where i had a deal where i could show up and take any car left on the lot 10 minutes before closing on saturday and return it same time monday for 20 bucks plus tax. there were always big vans and pickups available. sometimes they were all that was available so think about how often you really NEED a pickup truck and how much it costs to rent vs how much it cots to own full time and i suspect you will discover that renting is much cheaper than owning but renting doen't give you teh fun of playing with a new toy and that is probably what we have here On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: He's gonna pay 2-3x for a diesel and it'll have added maintenance costs. Its not like he's going to commute with it. For trips to the home center or the dump or to retrieve a car a cheap gasser makes more sense than a diesel. If he was gonna do long road trips sure... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:52:07 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: CALHJ_1A+AceL3Rh-vZYhxkMcVs5VqOg+W3b+=aa-rfpenpu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Miles are high for a v8 Ford. Not a great deal. Look further south for less rust. A 3/4 ton with a diesel will get better mpg and haul way more. Early idi models get near 20mpg and have plenty enough power. That truck will get around 12. Older Chevy diesels, 6.2 etc., get great mpg and last forever. Newer Diesels, such as my Powerstroke(with exception to the Cummins), get worse mpg at around 15 or so average but with 450 ft-lbs of torque, who cares? Mike On Sep 17, 2013 11:23 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.frankcoffeyauto.com/1994_Ford_Ford_Milford_NH_174894153.veh Looks good, and the price is right. Google maps says it's 285 miles from Trenton, NJ, 4 hours 52 minutes. Sounds like road trip time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
Yep there you go, try to talk then down to about 2500 though. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: But this is more realistic: http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/4050953148.html On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: This is kinda cool: http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/4062231342.html On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: My 6.2 has just as much power as a 350 gasser and gets better mpg. It hauls my crewcab with 10k pound trailer and a fullsize pickup just fine. A 350 would be working hard and getting worse mpg. Yeah, you sort of give up economy. Until you look at how much fuel a gasser that will pull like a Powerstroke burns when working hard. Then it seems like a pretty good trade. Mike On Sep 17, 2013 6:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: With the Ford don't you give up a lot of the fuel economy reason for having one? With a 6.2 you certainly don't have the power you'd get with a 5.7 gasser... Lets not count out a Dakota either. My '96 had 222,000 miles when I got rid of it, it was big enough to haul a small car (actually it should haul a big car, we hauled a 4400# farm tractor with it) and a good size bed although not a real 8 footer... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:55:32 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: calhj_1d-x1zzm_zsw+0xqy1htuj-ofkwp2mss0r7gezffzn...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have to question the added maintenance costs. Really? My old idi's just go on and on with minimal maint. My friends with gassers that sit a lot are always fiddling with plug wires or stale gas to get them going for an occasional mission. I just go out and give the old 6.2 a crank, let the smoke clear and off we go. I will say that is often not as easy as it sounds in the middle of the winter, that is where a gasser with efi is nice. The older Fords are well within the $3000 budget. While harder to find not rusted away the square body Chevy's are as well. Keep an eye out and you can steal a heavy diesel truck from someone looking to downsize. I got my 97 f250 Powerstroke for $2500 because it sat for 3 years and needed some work to get going. Now it is an $8000 truck up here because it has no rust and looks new. Be patient and keep a close eye on Craigslist. Just saw a one owner 2000 diesel 4wd Excursion for $2000high miles but looks nice and says drives nice. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
it's time for you to know this. jaime used to confide in me that he wanted to be you On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Jaime is just trying to be more like me. First he moves to the country (I think), then he needs a lawn tractor. Now he wants a pickup. Next thing you know he will have 80 junk cars in his back yard. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i'd agree with curt here. the love of diesel is nice and all but diesel isn't always an answer but the reality is jaime just wants another toy. for as often as he needs to use a truck, he can just rent one and be WAY ahead in overall costs i used to drive a very nice 94 E420, but the head gasket blew. seems to be 30 hours of labor so i went back to driving my clapped out 280CE., this car lacked any sort of creature comforts (the windows didn't even fully roll up) at all and got about 12mpg. when i wanted to do an overnight or day trip, i'd go to an enterprise rent a car where i had a deal where i could show up and take any car left on the lot 10 minutes before closing on saturday and return it same time monday for 20 bucks plus tax. there were always big vans and pickups available. sometimes they were all that was available so think about how often you really NEED a pickup truck and how much it costs to rent vs how much it cots to own full time and i suspect you will discover that renting is much cheaper than owning but renting doen't give you teh fun of playing with a new toy and that is probably what we have here On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: He's gonna pay 2-3x for a diesel and it'll have added maintenance costs. Its not like he's going to commute with it. For trips to the home center or the dump or to retrieve a car a cheap gasser makes more sense than a diesel. If he was gonna do long road trips sure... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:52:07 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: CALHJ_1A+AceL3Rh-vZYhxkMcVs5VqOg+W3b+=aa-rfpenpu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Miles are high for a v8 Ford. Not a great deal. Look further south for less rust. A 3/4 ton with a diesel will get better mpg and haul way more. Early idi models get near 20mpg and have plenty enough power. That truck will get around 12. Older Chevy diesels, 6.2 etc., get great mpg and last forever. Newer Diesels, such as my Powerstroke(with exception to the Cummins), get worse mpg at around 15 or so average but with 450 ft-lbs of torque, who cares? Mike On Sep 17, 2013 11:23 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.frankcoffeyauto.com/1994_Ford_Ford_Milford_NH_174894153.veh Looks good, and the price is right. Google maps says it's 285 miles from Trenton, NJ, 4 hours 52 minutes. Sounds like road trip time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
If he's living in the country he sure don't need no import truck. Nothing says country like a Chevy 350. I like the 72 myself without the stacks. Just dual it out by the bumper. On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: it's time for you to know this. jaime used to confide in me that he wanted to be you On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Jaime is just trying to be more like me. First he moves to the country (I think), then he needs a lawn tractor. Now he wants a pickup. Next thing you know he will have 80 junk cars in his back yard. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i'd agree with curt here. the love of diesel is nice and all but diesel isn't always an answer but the reality is jaime just wants another toy. for as often as he needs to use a truck, he can just rent one and be WAY ahead in overall costs i used to drive a very nice 94 E420, but the head gasket blew. seems to be 30 hours of labor so i went back to driving my clapped out 280CE., this car lacked any sort of creature comforts (the windows didn't even fully roll up) at all and got about 12mpg. when i wanted to do an overnight or day trip, i'd go to an enterprise rent a car where i had a deal where i could show up and take any car left on the lot 10 minutes before closing on saturday and return it same time monday for 20 bucks plus tax. there were always big vans and pickups available. sometimes they were all that was available so think about how often you really NEED a pickup truck and how much it costs to rent vs how much it cots to own full time and i suspect you will discover that renting is much cheaper than owning but renting doen't give you teh fun of playing with a new toy and that is probably what we have here On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: He's gonna pay 2-3x for a diesel and it'll have added maintenance costs. Its not like he's going to commute with it. For trips to the home center or the dump or to retrieve a car a cheap gasser makes more sense than a diesel. If he was gonna do long road trips sure... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:52:07 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: CALHJ_1A+AceL3Rh-vZYhxkMcVs5VqOg+W3b+= aa-rfpenpu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Miles are high for a v8 Ford. Not a great deal. Look further south for less rust. A 3/4 ton with a diesel will get better mpg and haul way more. Early idi models get near 20mpg and have plenty enough power. That truck will get around 12. Older Chevy diesels, 6.2 etc., get great mpg and last forever. Newer Diesels, such as my Powerstroke(with exception to the Cummins), get worse mpg at around 15 or so average but with 450 ft-lbs of torque, who cares? Mike On Sep 17, 2013 11:23 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.frankcoffeyauto.com/1994_Ford_Ford_Milford_NH_174894153.veh Looks good, and the price is right. Google maps says it's 285 miles from Trenton, NJ, 4 hours 52 minutes. Sounds like road trip time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
Hahahaha Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 8:34 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: it's time for you to know this. jaime used to confide in me that he wanted to be you On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Jaime is just trying to be more like me. First he moves to the country (I think), then he needs a lawn tractor. Now he wants a pickup. Next thing you know he will have 80 junk cars in his back yard. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i'd agree with curt here. the love of diesel is nice and all but diesel isn't always an answer but the reality is jaime just wants another toy. for as often as he needs to use a truck, he can just rent one and be WAY ahead in overall costs i used to drive a very nice 94 E420, but the head gasket blew. seems to be 30 hours of labor so i went back to driving my clapped out 280CE., this car lacked any sort of creature comforts (the windows didn't even fully roll up) at all and got about 12mpg. when i wanted to do an overnight or day trip, i'd go to an enterprise rent a car where i had a deal where i could show up and take any car left on the lot 10 minutes before closing on saturday and return it same time monday for 20 bucks plus tax. there were always big vans and pickups available. sometimes they were all that was available so think about how often you really NEED a pickup truck and how much it costs to rent vs how much it cots to own full time and i suspect you will discover that renting is much cheaper than owning but renting doen't give you teh fun of playing with a new toy and that is probably what we have here On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: He's gonna pay 2-3x for a diesel and it'll have added maintenance costs. Its not like he's going to commute with it. For trips to the home center or the dump or to retrieve a car a cheap gasser makes more sense than a diesel. If he was gonna do long road trips sure... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:52:07 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: CALHJ_1A+AceL3Rh-vZYhxkMcVs5VqOg+W3b+=aa-rfpenpu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Miles are high for a v8 Ford. Not a great deal. Look further south for less rust. A 3/4 ton with a diesel will get better mpg and haul way more. Early idi models get near 20mpg and have plenty enough power. That truck will get around 12. Older Chevy diesels, 6.2 etc., get great mpg and last forever. Newer Diesels, such as my Powerstroke(with exception to the Cummins), get worse mpg at around 15 or so average but with 450 ft-lbs of torque, who cares? Mike On Sep 17, 2013 11:23 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.frankcoffeyauto.com/1994_Ford_Ford_Milford_NH_174894153.veh Looks good, and the price is right. Google maps says it's 285 miles from Trenton, NJ, 4 hours 52 minutes. Sounds like road trip time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
My second favorite Chevy body style. I do hate stacks on a pickup but they'd be easy enough to remove. -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:49:32 -0400 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: CACY-bALV=4w8vp4omknj8f9wbu4tlkwrz0ya6zjx8ktu4qa...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is kinda cool: http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/4062231342.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
Local spread on fuel is much tighter. Diesel is normally a significant premium. not for this past summer. Diesel is running on par with 89 octane. Normal price is at least $0.13 more than 93 octane clay On Sep 17, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: So far north of gas? I got my aunt with this the other day, they have a diesel Passat and a gasser Volvo. We talked it out and if you aim low on the Passat and say 40mpg and say 30mpg on the Volvo which is probably slightly optimistic that gives the Passat a 33% advantage right? If gas is $3.65 and diesel is $4 (and thats a bad spread, its not as bad here) thats 35 cents difference or around 9%. So my contention is that you spend an extra 9 cents to save 33. You don't have to hit me twice with a stick... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:19:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: 1379456364.48504.yahoomail...@web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have a 2001 F-250. ?Got it new, love it. ?Diesel was 4K$ more at the time, and it just wasn't worth it, even though fuel was cheaper then. ?If you tow all the time for a living, then a diesel is a good thing. ?If you're buying a utility truck to go to the lake, pick up lawn stuff, and in general haul stuff around but not for a living, then gas is great. ?Now that the cost of diesel is so far north of gas, I am convinced my lil ole F-250 gasser was a good choice. Now I got 66K miles on it. ?It will still be here when the crematorium is messing with me (c: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
For me personally, nothing toes like a diesel! We've had gas pick ups and gas motor homes, but the diesel pickups don't have to work so hard and shift down and rev so high to make it up hills. Our 2012 ram Cummins pickup had no issues when loaded down and towing are nearly 6000 pound boat and trailer from Colorado to Oregon. Again, there's nothing like a diesel! Kevin back in Oregon Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: My second favorite Chevy body style. I do hate stacks on a pickup but they'd be easy enough to remove. -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:49:32 -0400 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: CACY-bALV=4w8vp4omknj8f9wbu4tlkwrz0ya6zjx8ktu4qa...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is kinda cool: http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/4062231342.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
