Re: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103
yea, it seems to work pretty well. Curt Raymond wrote: I'm pretty well sold on AutoFrost. Once we get our housebuying out of the way I'm going to recharge my 190D with AutoFrost. Seems like a good excuse to learn how it all works. -Curt Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 22:25:51 -0500 From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103 To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed *SNIP* Turned on the AC, and nothing cold. next project. I think it is still R-12. So i need to find a source for freeze 12 or similar concoction. *SNIP* - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1cent;/min. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103
I'm pretty well sold on AutoFrost. Once we get our housebuying out of the way I'm going to recharge my 190D with AutoFrost. Seems like a good excuse to learn how it all works. -Curt Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 22:25:51 -0500 From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103 To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed *SNIP* Turned on the AC, and nothing cold. next project. I think it is still R-12. So i need to find a source for freeze 12 or similar concoction. *SNIP* - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1cent;/min. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri May 12 19:44:28 2006 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.182]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FedYp-0001G6-Uv for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:44:28 + Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z74so716068pyg for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:44:25 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=MMJTURUKU4TyhnyG1QSzV6Px4Spir3G0OijoayE7vLcIl59hdKvv9MH6oucFDaM+pl4cnAWrdxEtKr9J5LVt0YCx3F9GvqQViqP3gq5fMzO0wU+qcgNWTvsFkuGibXFNFa7mm2rQUioHwXq0rvrNUHFuj/khE8CGtNN2kvIeNm8= Received: by 10.35.84.12 with SMTP id m12mr109653pyl; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.49.2 with HTTP; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:44:25 -0500 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] I am on crank X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 19:44:32 - Not to add more to your to-do list, but I think that I dropped the ball on following up with you regarding a wood-type ashtray for my 240D. I need one to solve the problem of the cigarette lighter apparently being removed - base and all - by the P.O. Is there a wire that runs to the back of the ashtray and plugs into the ligher base? That whole area was left in a mess by P.O. Hope it's still intact in my car. Brian 83 240D On 5/12/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you sent it I probably got it. I will be responding to parts questions over the weekend. archer wrote: Kaleb: Did you get my order with the question about payment? I'm re-sending it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D - - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 7:04 PM Subject: [MBZ] I am on crank Well I got the balancer/pulley pulled off the parts engine and installe= d on the 85 300D, so its now ready to go again. I ended up using a steering wheel puller for GM cars on it. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76
Re: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103
You may bet by with a description -- it goes outside everthing, around the crank (ribbed side in, with the loop going up between the crank and the AC pulley to the tensioner. You will probably have to push the tensioner loose to get the belt on -- the shock tends to extend it to full travel while you are wrestling the belt around. Big PITA. You do have a new belt, eh? Tensioner OK? Peter
Re: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103
Yes, tensioner is ok. Idlers are ok. Belt is new. the old one will make a good spare. NO cracks showing. Thanks for the routing. I will go try that. I thought i remembered how it went, but I didn't get it right. I think I am getting it confused with the OM 603 routing. I have found the easiest way is to take the PS pulley off to get the belt off, then get the belt routed, then put the PS pulley on. Then tension it. and check/tighten everything again. Loren 88 TE M103 et al I am glad I took the radiator out. makes the whole mess easier. At 08:22 PM 5/9/2006, you wrote: You may bet by with a description -- it goes outside everthing, around the crank (ribbed side in, with the loop going up between the crank and the AC pulley to the tensioner. You will probably have to push the tensioner loose to get the belt on -- the shock tends to extend it to full travel while you are wrestling the belt around. Big PITA. You do have a new belt, eh? Tensioner OK? Peter ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103
Loren Faeth wrote: I had a little time this afternoon, So I tried putting the waterpump = on. Did ok. Maybe a little over an hour to get the front end of the = engine back together. Passed leak test = Here is the problem: I can't remember the serp belt routing. I know I s= aw = it on a job on the cd but it was illegible. Does anyone have a picture o= f = a good diagram from job 1350 or 1351? I can't get either of those to com= e = up on braingears. Try this! Marshall -- = Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 = 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: M103 belt.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 22192 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/20060= 509/e2038e90/M103belt.pdf
Re: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103
Hi Any idea how long the water pump lasted on the 103 engine? mileage or age period. mak - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 5:54 AM Subject: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103 I had a little time this afternoon, So I tried putting the waterpump on. Did ok. Maybe a little over an hour to get the front end of the engine back together. Passed leak test Here is the problem: I can't remember the serp belt routing. I know I saw it on a job on the cd but it was illegible. Does anyone have a picture of a good diagram from job 1350 or 1351? I can't get either of those to come up on braingears. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/334 - Release Date: 5/8/2006
Re: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103
Thank you Herr Doktor and Herr Frederick. It seems the assembly went faster than the disassembly. I got everything back together in maybe 2.5 hours total, not counting the time to try to figure out the belt routing. But thanks to quick responses I got it all together tonight except the last AT hose. It broke! SO, I am going to replace the AT hoses and change the trans fluid and filter. Waiting again BTW: my solution to getting the back 2 bolts in: I put a layer of masking tape around the 3/8 drive universal joint. then by using a 6 and 3 extension on the top back bolt, I got it in. For the Bottom back bolt, I used the universal with tape, and the 12 extension. The intake manifold and the big AC hose go right where you need to work. It was not near as bad as I thought it would be. The tape was the trick. I think Herr Frederick's 6 hours was about right for me too. It'll go faster next time, if I can remember what I did this time. Herr Kahn, I am not sure about the life of the waterpump on a 103. I believe that the one I replaced was not original. So, in roughly 200K, this car is on the third pump. My experience, with M180 and diesels is that an MB pump will last 100 to 200k miles, with the mean being somewhere around 150k. Third party replacement pumps are usually good for 30k to 100k. In this case, what I believe was the second pump probably got rusty because the car sat for a year or possibly more. Perhaps other M103 owners can relate their experiences. I have only put about 250 miles on this one. Every time I try to drive it something breaks or I find something else unreliable. I think when i get the AT hoses, it will be good to go. Sure does drive nice with new hydraulic parts and new tires! Loren 88 TE 87 TD, soon to be on the road again! et al. 124 wagons are sure good (sport) driving machines! (guessing sedans are too) 126 SDLs are wonderful longhaul road machines 123s are fun, and decent road machines 110s are fun and great road machines! (Not too shabby for sport driving as long as you don't push them too hard) (sorry, only drove a 115 diesel once. No opinion here) At 09:27 PM 5/9/2006, you wrote: Loren Faeth wrote: I had a little time this afternoon, So I tried putting the waterpump on. Did ok. Maybe a little over an hour to get the front end of the engine back together. Passed leak test Here is the problem: I can't remember the serp belt routing. I know I saw it on a job on the cd but it was illegible. Does anyone have a picture of a good diagram from job 1350 or 1351? I can't get either of those to come up on braingears. Try this! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: M103 belt.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 22192 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/20060509/e2038e90/M103belt.pdf ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103
PS: If you have the wobble extensions, I think one or 2 of them would work in place of the universal joint. I briefly considered going to buy wobble extensions or taking a grinder to one of my extensions to make a wobble extension before the tape solution occurred to me. I never have used universal joints much. On the diesels, I always found a way to work without them. At 11:47 PM 5/9/2006, you wrote: Thank you Herr Doktor and Herr Frederick. It seems the assembly went faster than the disassembly. I got everything back together in maybe 2.5 hours total, not counting the time to try to figure out the belt routing. But thanks to quick responses I got it all together tonight except the last AT hose. It broke! SO, I am going to replace the AT hoses and change the trans fluid and filter. Waiting again BTW: my solution to getting the back 2 bolts in: I put a layer of masking tape around the 3/8 drive universal joint. then by using a 6 and 3 extension on the top back bolt, I got it in. For the Bottom back bolt, I used the universal with tape, and the 12 extension. The intake manifold and the big AC hose go right where you need to work. It was not near as bad as I thought it would be. The tape was the trick. I think Herr Frederick's 6 hours was about right for me too. It'll go faster next time, if I can remember what I did this time. Herr Kahn, I am not sure about the life of the waterpump on a 103. I believe that the one I replaced was not original. So, in roughly 200K, this car is on the third pump. My experience, with M180 and diesels is that an MB pump will last 100 to 200k miles, with the mean being somewhere around 150k. Third party replacement pumps are usually good for 30k to 100k. In this case, what I believe was the second pump probably got rusty because the car sat for a year or possibly more. Perhaps other M103 owners can relate their experiences. I have only put about 250 miles on this one. Every time I try to drive it something breaks or I find something else unreliable. I think when i get the AT hoses, it will be good to go. Sure does drive nice with new hydraulic parts and new tires! Loren 88 TE 87 TD, soon to be on the road again! et al. 124 wagons are sure good (sport) driving machines! (guessing sedans are too) 126 SDLs are wonderful longhaul road machines 123s are fun, and decent road machines 110s are fun and great road machines! (Not too shabby for sport driving as long as you don't push them too hard) (sorry, only drove a 115 diesel once. No opinion here) At 09:27 PM 5/9/2006, you wrote: Loren Faeth wrote: I had a little time this afternoon, So I tried putting the waterpump on. Did ok. Maybe a little over an hour to get the front end of the engine back together. Passed leak test Here is the problem: I can't remember the serp belt routing. I know I saw it on a job on the cd but it was illegible. Does anyone have a picture of a good diagram from job 1350 or 1351? I can't get either of those to come up on braingears. Try this! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: M103 belt.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 22192 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/20060509/ e2038e90/M103belt.pdf ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103
Loren Faeth wrote: Thank you Herr Doktor and Herr Frederick. It seems the assembly went faster than the disassembly. I got everything back together in maybe 2.5 hours total, not counting the time to try to figure out the belt routing. But thanks to quick responses I got it all together tonight except the last AT hose. It broke! SO, I am going to replace the AT hoses and change the trans fluid and filter. Waiting again BTW: my solution to getting the back 2 bolts in: I put a layer of masking tape around the 3/8 drive universal joint. then by using a 6 and 3 extension on the top back bolt, I got it in. For the Bottom back bolt, I used the universal with tape, and the 12 extension. The intake manifold and the big AC hose go right where you need to work. It was not near as bad as I thought it would be. The tape was the trick. I think Herr Frederick's 6 hours was about right for me too. It'll go faster next time, if I can remember what I did this time. Herr Kahn, I am not sure about the life of the waterpump on a 103. I believe that the one I replaced was not original. So, in roughly 200K, this car is on the third pump. My experience, with M180 and diesels is that an MB pump will last 100 to 200k miles, with the mean being somewhere around 150k. Third party replacement pumps are usually good for 30k to 100k. In this case, what I believe was the second pump probably got rusty because the car sat for a year or possibly more. Perhaps other M103 owners can relate their experiences. I have only put about 250 miles on this one. Every time I try to drive it something breaks or I find something else unreliable. I think when i get the AT hoses, it will be good to go. Sure does drive nice with new hydraulic parts and new tires! Loren 88 TE 87 TD, soon to be on the road again! et al. 124 wagons are sure good (sport) driving machines! (guessing sedans are too) 126 SDLs are wonderful longhaul road machines 123s are fun, and decent road machines 110s are fun and great road machines! (Not too shabby for sport driving as long as you don't push them too hard) (sorry, only drove a 115 diesel once. No opinion here) At 09:27 PM 5/9/2006, you wrote: Loren Faeth wrote: I had a little time this afternoon, So I tried putting the waterpump on. Did ok. Maybe a little over an hour to get the front end of the engine back together. Passed leak test Here is the problem: I can't remember the serp belt routing. I know I saw it on a job on the cd but it was illegible. Does anyone have a picture of a good diagram from job 1350 or 1351? I can't get either of those to come up on braingears. Try this! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: M103 belt.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 22192 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/20060509/e2038e90/M103belt.pdf ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net As I recall, factory time for the job (experienced mechanic that's done the job before) is 4+ hours. A really good mechanic can better that by an hour or so if NOTHING goes wrong. Most mechanics (even very good ones) take 6 hours or more the first time. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103
Those are some of the ones he wins. On 5/4/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hendrik Riessen wrote: Problem is they charge book time even if it takes them 2-3 hours, unless you know a very honest mechanic who doesn't like money much. What gets my goat is how, when I have a mechanic do two or three jobs at the same time that involve removing the same parts, I end up paying as much as I would have to get them done separately, because they just add up the book times. David Brodbeck '83 300D Turbo -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103
Next question: How on earth do you get those 2 back bolts started when you put humpty back together?? I finally got the pump out. What a pain. Sure makes me appreciate a 110/111 and even a 123 240D! It is a nifty design, before they hang on the intake manifold and all the accessories. I hope I never have to do this again! Loren 88 300TE At 08:31 PM 4/27/2006, you wrote: Danke, Herr Frederick I was guessing it would be a long job because when i was working on the Tandem PS pump i didn't see a way to get the bracket off without first taking the pump out first. Just taking out the tandem pump I thought was a bear. (compared to OM 621/616 engines) That is the type of BTDT info I was looking for! I have started the disassembly. I am going to take the radiator out also, because I want to flush the system and having the radiator our will make access easier. Loren 88 TE M103 At 07:29 PM 4/27/2006, you wrote: 6 hours, almost to the minute. You must remove the bracket for the PS pump, but need to remove the pump, just loosen it. You don't need to touch the AC bracket or pump. You also do not need to remove the screw that holds the heater pipe, it has a slot. A real bear to get back if if you do (as I did). Make sure you have a new o-ring for that pipe, and I would replace the short hose between thermostat housing and pump (or whatever it is) -- you really must remove the pump to change it. A swivel will be required to get to the rear bolts on the WP. Make sure the surface of the head is clean, you don't want to have to do this again because the o-ring leaked. Without PS, this is about a 30 min job. Peter ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103
Gosh, I don't remember too much trouble there. Remember the old mechanic's trick of putting a bit of paper over the head of the screw (or over the hex driver) so that it sticks the screw onto the tool. Makes it a bit easier to get a bolt to rotate in a hole. I did the whole job in one shot, boy did my back ache! Didn't cure the slow coolant leak somewhere, though. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103
Loren Faeth wrote: Next question: How on earth do you get those 2 back bolts started when you put humpty back together?? I finally got the pump out. What a pain. Sure makes me appreciate a 110/111 and even a 123 240D! It is a nifty design, before they hang on the intake manifold and all the accessories. I hope I never have to do this again! Everyone I know has found the M103 water pump to be a challenge (the first time). After the first time, it's just a pain! This from another list: I would not put a M103 water pump in the easy to medium catagory. It is more in the medium to heavy duty catagory. Book time for the water pump is almost four hours..it is not all that easy. A really good fast Benz mechanic who has done many can knock it out in about 2-2.5 hours, maybe..It's not that it is a particularly difficult job, but I think a lot of mechanical experience would really help in the process. Stu Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103
H. THat is why i started this. Coolant dribble from front of engine, unidentified, coupled with a chirp noise. We thought it was probably the WP. In most cases that is the correct diagnoses, but this is my first M103. Now that i got the pump off, a cursory inspection looks like it is ok, but I will look closer. Loren 88 300TE At 08:06 PM 5/3/2006, you wrote: Gosh, I don't remember too much trouble there. Remember the old mechanic's trick of putting a bit of paper over the head of the screw (or over the hex driver) so that it sticks the screw onto the tool. Makes it a bit easier to get a bolt to rotate in a hole. I did the whole job in one shot, boy did my back ache! Didn't cure the slow coolant leak somewhere, though. Peter ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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I think peter's 6 hours is closer, but I am being overly cautious I know. If I could pay someone for 2 hours and get it done, I WOULD! (next time) ; ) At 08:16 PM 5/3/2006, you wrote: Loren Faeth wrote: Next question: How on earth do you get those 2 back bolts started when you put humpty back together?? I finally got the pump out. What a pain. Sure makes me appreciate a 110/111 and even a 123 240D! It is a nifty design, before they hang on the intake manifold and all the accessories. I hope I never have to do this again! Everyone I know has found the M103 water pump to be a challenge (the first time). After the first time, it's just a pain! This from another list: I would not put a M103 water pump in the easy to medium catagory. It is more in the medium to heavy duty catagory. Book time for the water pump is almost four hours..it is not all that easy. A really good fast Benz mechanic who has done many can knock it out in about 2-2.5 hours, maybe..It's not that it is a particularly difficult job, but I think a lot of mechanical experience would really help in the process. Stu Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103
Talking about cramped engine compartments. I put a deposit on a 96 Mitsubishi Magna (similar to the Diamante you get in the US except this one is a base model) and with the V6 lying travesley with a auto box attached there ain't much room left for all the other things needed. There is a power steering pump in there somewhere I think, the alternator is reasonably easy to get at but the spark plugs for the rear cylinder bank look like you need to take off the inlet manifold to change them. Luckily this V6 can take long life spark plugs. Anyway it was cheap at AU$3000, with service history and 186,000k's on the clock. Few minor fix ups and it should be alright. Biggest problem will be to hang onto my drivers license, especially now that the Government has put different speed limits all over the place. Some places you are only allowed to go 40k's/h then there are 50 zones and the bigger roads in town are 60. Yeah I know it ain't a Merc but I can't buy a 96 V6 Mercedes for 3 grand and given the price of fuel I could not justify a old V8 Merc or a good condition 280E which would be the only thing equivilant in power. Then again trying to find any Merc in good condition for 3 grand is an excercise in patience. Hendrik who will be able to service and repair the family fleet soon, once I make some room in the shed (h that bit of styrofoam will be useful for something some day:-)) - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103 Next question: How on earth do you get those 2 back bolts started when you put humpty back together?? I finally got the pump out. What a pain. Sure makes me appreciate a 110/111 and even a 123 240D! It is a nifty design, before they hang on the intake manifold and all the accessories. I hope I never have to do this again! Loren 88 300TE At 08:31 PM 4/27/2006, you wrote: Danke, Herr Frederick I was guessing it would be a long job because when i was working on the Tandem PS pump i didn't see a way to get the bracket off without first taking the pump out first. Just taking out the tandem pump I thought was a bear. (compared to OM 621/616 engines) That is the type of BTDT info I was looking for! I have started the disassembly. I am going to take the radiator out also, because I want to flush the system and having the radiator our will make access easier. Loren 88 TE M103 At 07:29 PM 4/27/2006, you wrote: 6 hours, almost to the minute. You must remove the bracket for the PS pump, but need to remove the pump, just loosen it. You don't need to touch the AC bracket or pump. You also do not need to remove the screw that holds the heater pipe, it has a slot. A real bear to get back if if you do (as I did). Make sure you have a new o-ring for that pipe, and I would replace the short hose between thermostat housing and pump (or whatever it is) -- you really must remove the pump to change it. A swivel will be required to get to the rear bolts on the WP. Make sure the surface of the head is clean, you don't want to have to do this again because the o-ring leaked. Without PS, this is about a 30 min job. Peter ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 28/04/2006
Re: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103
Problem is they charge book time even if it takes them 2-3 hours, unless you know a very honest mechanic who doesn't like money much. Hendrik who doesn't charge the missus anything to keep the heaps mobile, then again she doesn't charge me for coffee and horizontal workout in the morning - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103 I think peter's 6 hours is closer, but I am being overly cautious I know. If I could pay someone for 2 hours and get it done, I WOULD! (next time) ; ) At 08:16 PM 5/3/2006, you wrote: Loren Faeth wrote: Next question: How on earth do you get those 2 back bolts started when you put humpty back together?? I finally got the pump out. What a pain. Sure makes me appreciate a 110/111 and even a 123 240D! It is a nifty design, before they hang on the intake manifold and all the accessories. I hope I never have to do this again! Everyone I know has found the M103 water pump to be a challenge (the first time). After the first time, it's just a pain! This from another list: I would not put a M103 water pump in the easy to medium catagory. It is more in the medium to heavy duty catagory. Book time for the water pump is almost four hours..it is not all that easy. A really good fast Benz mechanic who has done many can knock it out in about 2-2.5 hours, maybe..It's not that it is a particularly difficult job, but I think a lot of mechanical experience would really help in the process. Stu Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 28/04/2006
Re: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103
Problem is they charge book time even if it takes them 2-3 hours, unless you know a very honest mechanic who doesn't like money much. The whole point of the book time is that you win some and you lose some. A really good mechanic wins more than he loses, and can start making good money, provided there's enough work waiting for him. The friends and family price might be less, anywhere from free up to parts cost and/or actual time. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103
6 hours, almost to the minute. You must remove the bracket for the PS pump, but need to remove the pump, just loosen it. You don't need to touch the AC bracket or pump. You also do not need to remove the screw that holds the heater pipe, it has a slot. A real bear to get back if if you do (as I did). Make sure you have a new o-ring for that pipe, and I would replace the short hose between thermostat housing and pump (or whatever it is) -- you really must remove the pump to change it. A swivel will be required to get to the rear bolts on the WP. Make sure the surface of the head is clean, you don't want to have to do this again because the o-ring leaked. Without PS, this is about a 30 min job. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103
Danke, Herr Frederick I was guessing it would be a long job because when i was working on the Tandem PS pump i didn't see a way to get the bracket off without first taking the pump out first. Just taking out the tandem pump I thought was a bear. (compared to OM 621/616 engines) That is the type of BTDT info I was looking for! I have started the disassembly. I am going to take the radiator out also, because I want to flush the system and having the radiator our will make access easier. Loren 88 TE M103 At 07:29 PM 4/27/2006, you wrote: 6 hours, almost to the minute. You must remove the bracket for the PS pump, but need to remove the pump, just loosen it. You don't need to touch the AC bracket or pump. You also do not need to remove the screw that holds the heater pipe, it has a slot. A real bear to get back if if you do (as I did). Make sure you have a new o-ring for that pipe, and I would replace the short hose between thermostat housing and pump (or whatever it is) -- you really must remove the pump to change it. A swivel will be required to get to the rear bolts on the WP. Make sure the surface of the head is clean, you don't want to have to do this again because the o-ring leaked. Without PS, this is about a 30 min job. Peter ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103
OK, I should have printed the pages first. there are small print prerequisites on the top of the page that i missed on the screen. It says to remove the tensioner and the waterpump and the air cleaner. It does not say however if the PS pump bracket stays in place or if you remove the pump and bracket as a unit. Anyone BTDT? I know from the suspension work that the PS pump is a bear to get to all the bolts. I never did figure out if you could remove the bracket and PS pump as a unit. I'd sure appreciate any help. Thanks. Plan to flush and change to the proper antifreeze as part of the process. Loren 88 300TEM103 At 05:45 PM 4/27/2006, you wrote: Can anyone tell me how much i have to take off the engine to change the M103 waterpump? THe job, 20-2100 has an exploded diagram, but I can't tell if you have to take off the AC compressor and bracket or only the PS pump and bracket or neither, with the right tools and contortions. There is no step by step instructions that i can find. http://skinnerbox.steaky.org/Service/W124/w124CD1/Program/Engine/103/20-2100.pdf Does anyone have the flat rate time for this? that might give me a clue. Thanks! Loren 88 300TE ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
