Re: [MBZ] wow

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Ugh, no. Lease a brand new one. Think about how far electric cars have come in 
the last 3 years... This is the only time I'm in favor of leasing.


Curt

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From:"Andrew Strasfogel" 
Date:Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:58 PM
Subject:Re: [MBZ] wow

Maybe it's wiser to look for a used Leaf


On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I like electric cars, I've driven both the Fiat and the Nissan Leaf, liked 'em 
both although I probably like the Leaf a little more. The Leaf is much bigger 
than the Smart, more like the size of a Golf. It was reasonably peppy, quiet 
and not at all a rattly deathtrap. If they were similarly priced I'd always go 
to the larger car. IMHO the Smart is wy overpriced, under featured and 
under mileage.
-Curt

      From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 4:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] wow

Yeah, that was a trick question.  I was trying to "out" a sleeper agent for
the electric car lobby...

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 19/11/2015 2:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I am jonesing for a Smart Electric.  Anybody drive one?
>>
>>
>> Do you honestly think that if we did drive one, that we would admit it?
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with
high winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull
gennys have not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need
of minor service.  Tonight I put another used starting battery
on it (it takes two---24V) and replaced the heater hose vapor
fuel line with a proper armored line.

I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and
it fired right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are
watching House of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.

The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already
run out 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly
on the other one, which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...

-- Jim


Jim gets an Eagle Scout award, for being prepared with multiple 
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Congrats on the success!  Glad y'all are well.

You musta sent the wind here!  50+ mph all day. Blew the remaining 
leaves out to andrew.


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Re: [MBZ] Generators

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Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:


The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already
run out 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly
on the other one, which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...


Maybe get a stationary tank?
My last fill was 99.9 cents a gallon plus tax.

http://spokane.craigslist.org/tls/5294274183.html

http://spokane.craigslist.org/for/5284050253.html

http://wenatchee.craigslist.org/for/5314495501.html

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Re: [MBZ] in praise of 4 wheel drive

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Hey, your party leaders have decreed  a 2 DAY work week in 2016 so there is
little chance of Congress accomplishing anything, other than maybe shutting
down the government.

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>
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> >
>
> > Siberia is snow covered, which means New England is going to get WHACKED
> > again this winter.
>
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Re: [MBZ] wow

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It's too soon to buy an all electric. There just aren't enough places to 
recharge if you run out of watts.
I have a very "green" friend whose Prius wasn't green enough to suit him, so he 
bought a Leaf for his wife to drive to work in the fast bus lane since 
electrics are were allowed there.
Then the county, in its infinite wisdom, 

Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> Maybe it's wiser to look for a used Leaf. They tested it first and found that 
> it would make the round trip to her job and back without recharging. 
> Everything was working well until 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> > I like electric cars, I've driven both the Fiat and the Nissan Leaf, liked 
> > 'em both although I probably like the Leaf a little more. The Leaf is much
> > bigger than the Smart, more like the size of a Golf. It was reasonably
> > peppy, quiet and not at all a rattly deathtrap. If they were similarly
> > priced I'd always go to the larger car. IMHO the Smart is wy
> > overpriced, under featured and under mileage.
> > -Curt
> >
> >   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
> >  Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 4:12 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] wow
> >
> > Yeah, that was a trick question.  I was trying to "out" a sleeper agent for
> > the electric car lobby...
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 19/11/2015 2:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > >
> > >> I am jonesing for a Smart Electric.  Anybody drive one?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Do you honestly think that if we did drive one, that we would admit it?
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Is J Cathey in Seattle?

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:01 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with
>> high winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull
>> gennys have not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need
>> of minor service.  Tonight I put another used starting battery
>> on it (it takes two---24V) and replaced the heater hose vapor
>> fuel line with a proper armored line.
>>
>> I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and
>> it fired right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are
>> watching House of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.
>>
>> The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already
>> run out 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly
>> on the other one, which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
>
> Jim gets an Eagle Scout award, for being prepared with multiple generator
> options.  Being prepared after being prepared...
>
> Congrats on the success!  Glad y'all are well.
>
> You musta sent the wind here!  50+ mph all day. Blew the remaining leaves
> out to andrew.
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Re: [MBZ] wow

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I've never leased a car in my life.  Is there a cap on mileage?  A bonus
for not driving much at all?


On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Ugh, no. Lease a brand new one. Think about how far electric cars have
> come in the last 3 years... This is the only time I'm in favor of leasing.
>
>
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
> From:"Andrew Strasfogel" 
> Date:Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:58 PM
> Subject:Re: [MBZ] wow
>
> Maybe it's wiser to look for a used Leaf
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> I like electric cars, I've driven both the Fiat and the Nissan Leaf, liked
> 'em both although I probably like the Leaf a little more. The Leaf is much
> bigger than the Smart, more like the size of a Golf. It was reasonably
> peppy, quiet and not at all a rattly deathtrap. If they were similarly
> priced I'd always go to the larger car. IMHO the Smart is wy
> overpriced, under featured and under mileage.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
>  Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 4:12 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] wow
>
> Yeah, that was a trick question.  I was trying to "out" a sleeper agent for
> the electric car lobby...
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > On 19/11/2015 2:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> I am jonesing for a Smart Electric.  Anybody drive one?
> >>
> >>
> >> Do you honestly think that if we did drive one, that we would admit it?
> >
> > RB
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Re: [MBZ] in praise of 4 wheel drive

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Good, they never do anything useful anyway...
-Curt
  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 10:50 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] in praise of 4 wheel drive
   
Hey, your party leaders have decreed  a 2 DAY work week in 2016 so there is
little chance of Congress accomplishing anything, other than maybe shutting
down the government.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:47 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Snow in minimal amounts is a solvent on the glue of society in the DC area.
>
> --R (sent from my miniPad)
>
> > On Nov 19, 2015, at 11:28 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
>
> > Siberia is snow covered, which means New England is going to get WHACKED
> > again this winter.
>
> I hope that includes DC.  That is one way to keep the goobers from doing
> harm.  About the only way, unless we replaced 300 or more of the elected
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Re: [MBZ] in praise of 4 wheel drive

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

So what's the downside?

--R

On 11/20/15 10:50 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
Hey, your party leaders have decreed  a 2 DAY work week in 2016 so 
there is little chance of Congress accomplishing anything, other than 
maybe shutting down the government.


On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:47 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
> wrote:


Snow in minimal amounts is a solvent on the glue of society in the
DC area.

--R (sent from my miniPad)

> On Nov 19, 2015, at 11:28 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes
> wrote:
>

> Siberia is snow covered, which means New England is going to get
WHACKED
> again this winter.

I hope that includes DC.  That is one way to keep the goobers from
doing harm.  About the only way, unless we replaced 300 or more of
the elected goobers with Cruzes.

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Re: [MBZ] wow

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Depends on where you live. I could drive from my house to NYC with no problem, 
plenty of charging stations along 91, 84 and 95. I could drive to the airport 
which would be close to the limit of my range but theres charging ports (with 
preferential parking) at the airport.
If I could get my employer to install a 220v charging port at the office I 
could make my 60 mile one way commute pretty decently during the summer. In the 
depths of winter it might be a stretch. My wife could easily do her 20 mile 
round trip...
A friend of mine in LA has an electric Fiat, she pays around $100/mo for it, 
had to put $3,000 down but the state gave her half back. Overall she'll have 
the car 3 years and pay about $5000 total, all the service (minimal) is 
included in the lease. Thats not bad for a brand new car, if I could get that 
deal I'd have one. Sadly the Fiat electric is west coast only.

-Curt

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 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] wow
   

It's too soon to buy an all electric. There just aren't enough places to 
recharge if you run out of watts.
I have a very "green" friend whose Prius wasn't green enough to suit him, so he 
bought a Leaf for his wife to drive to work in the fast bus lane since 
electrics are were allowed there.
Then the county, in its infinite wisdom, 

Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> Maybe it's wiser to look for a used Leaf. They tested it first and found that 
> it would make the round trip to her job and back without recharging. 
> Everything was working well until 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> > I like electric cars, I've driven both the Fiat and the Nissan Leaf, liked 
> > 'em both although I probably like the Leaf a little more. The Leaf is much
> > bigger than the Smart, more like the size of a Golf. It was reasonably
> > peppy, quiet and not at all a rattly deathtrap. If they were similarly
> > priced I'd always go to the larger car. IMHO the Smart is wy
> > overpriced, under featured and under mileage.
> > -Curt
> >
> >      From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
> >  Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 4:12 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] wow
> >
> > Yeah, that was a trick question.  I was trying to "out" a sleeper agent for
> > the electric car lobby...
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 19/11/2015 2:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > >
> > >> I am jonesing for a Smart Electric.  Anybody drive one?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Do you honestly think that if we did drive one, that we would admit it?
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] wow

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Theres a cap but most electric cars have about an 80 mile range on a charge so 
you'll be hard pressed to hit it...
-Curt

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 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 10:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] wow
   
I've never leased a car in my life.  Is there a cap on mileage?  A bonus for 
not driving much at all? 


On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Ugh, no. Lease a brand new one. Think about how far electric cars have come in 
the last 3 years... This is the only time I'm in favor of leasing.


Curt

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From:"Andrew Strasfogel" 
Date:Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:58 PM
Subject:Re: [MBZ] wow

Maybe it's wiser to look for a used Leaf


On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I like electric cars, I've driven both the Fiat and the Nissan Leaf, liked 'em 
both although I probably like the Leaf a little more. The Leaf is much bigger 
than the Smart, more like the size of a Golf. It was reasonably peppy, quiet 
and not at all a rattly deathtrap. If they were similarly priced I'd always go 
to the larger car. IMHO the Smart is wy overpriced, under featured and 
under mileage.
-Curt

      From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 4:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] wow

Yeah, that was a trick question.  I was trying to "out" a sleeper agent for
the electric car lobby...

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 19/11/2015 2:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I am jonesing for a Smart Electric.  Anybody drive one?
>>
>>
>> Do you honestly think that if we did drive one, that we would admit it?
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Re: [MBZ] wow

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 20/11/2015 10:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Depends on where you live. I could drive from my house to NYC with no problem, 
plenty of charging stations along 91, 84 and 95. I could drive to the airport 
which would be close to the limit of my range but theres charging ports (with 
preferential parking) at the airport.
If I could get my employer to install a 220v charging port at the office I 
could make my 60 mile one way commute pretty decently during the summer. In the 
depths of winter it might be a stretch. My wife could easily do her 20 mile 
round trip...
A friend of mine in LA has an electric Fiat, she pays around $100/mo for it, 
had to put $3,000 down but the state gave her half back. Overall she'll have 
the car 3 years and pay about $5000 total, all the service (minimal) is 
included in the lease. Thats not bad for a brand new car, if I could get that 
deal I'd have one. Sadly the Fiat electric is west coast only.

-Curt


The real question is why anyone would do a commute of even 20 miles for 
any length of time.
I have moved my office 5 times in the past 20 years and every time has 
been closer to home.
Our home was initially bought in a location within a mile of my wife's 
workplace.

I think the furthest that I commuted on a daily basis is maybe 10 miles.
My office is now within a mile of home.
Think of the time and money that is wasted on a long daily commute.

RB

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[MBZ] Wow...CORRECTED

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archer75 wrote:
> It's too soon to buy an all electric. There just aren't enough places to 
> recharge if you run out of watts.
> I have a very "green" friend whose Prius wasn't green enough to suit him, so 
> he bought a Leaf for his wife to drive to work in the fast bus lane since 
> electrics are were allowed there.
> Then the county, in its infinite wisdom, decided that an electric must have a 
> driver and a passenger or it must stay in the stop and go slow lanes.
The result was that, after running out of watts several times on her way back 
from work, she started driving the Prius again.
Volts do not have the hated Toyota technology, and they seem to be reliable 
with few repairs. Most other hybrids lease hybrid technology from Toyota.
Gerry 
> 
> Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > Maybe it's wiser to look for a used Leaf. They tested it first and found 
> > that it would make the round trip to her job and back without recharging. 
> > Everything was working well until 
> > 
> > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> > > I like electric cars, I've driven both the Fiat and the Nissan Leaf, 
> > > liked 'em both although I probably like the Leaf a little more. The Leaf 
> > > is much
> > > bigger than the Smart, more like the size of a Golf. It was reasonably
> > > peppy, quiet and not at all a rattly deathtrap. If they were similarly
> > > priced I'd always go to the larger car. IMHO the Smart is wy
> > > overpriced, under featured and under mileage.
> > > -Curt
> > >
> > >   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > >  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
> > >  Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 4:12 PM
> > >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] wow
> > >
> > > Yeah, that was a trick question.  I was trying to "out" a sleeper agent 
> > > for
> > > the electric car lobby...
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 19/11/2015 2:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I am jonesing for a Smart Electric.  Anybody drive one?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Do you honestly think that if we did drive one, that we would admit it?
> > > >
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[MBZ] Amazon & Mobil 1

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Just noticed that Amazon has Mobil 1 0W-40 for around $26 for the five quart 
jug. If you have a Prime membership this is a good deal, since shipping costs 
nothing.

It's weird - their price fluctuates wildly on this stuff. It went up to over 
$40/jug a couple of months ago, now it's back down again.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Amazon & Mobil 1

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Is the 0w40 extended performance? 

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> On Nov 20, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Just noticed that Amazon has Mobil 1 0W-40 for around $26 for the five quart 
> jug. If you have a Prime membership this is a good deal, since shipping costs 
> nothing.
> 
> It's weird - their price fluctuates wildly on this stuff. It went up to over 
> $40/jug a couple of months ago, now it's back down again.
> 
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] wow

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I could do that. My commute is less than 40 miles round trip.

We don't have chargers here, but I could probably shame the commissioners into 
installing a couple.

Dan

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> On Nov 20, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Depends on where you live. I could drive from my house to NYC with no 
> problem, plenty of charging stations along 91, 84 and 95. I could drive to 
> the airport which would be close to the limit of my range but theres charging 
> ports (with preferential parking) at the airport.
> If I could get my employer to install a 220v charging port at the office I 
> could make my 60 mile one way commute pretty decently during the summer. In 
> the depths of winter it might be a stretch. My wife could easily do her 20 
> mile round trip...
> A friend of mine in LA has an electric Fiat, she pays around $100/mo for it, 
> had to put $3,000 down but the state gave her half back. Overall she'll have 
> the car 3 years and pay about $5000 total, all the service (minimal) is 
> included in the lease. Thats not bad for a brand new car, if I could get that 
> deal I'd have one. Sadly the Fiat electric is west coast only.
> 
> -Curt
> 
>  From: archer75--- via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: "arche...@embarqmail.com" 
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] wow
> 
> 
> It's too soon to buy an all electric. There just aren't enough places to 
> recharge if you run out of watts.
> I have a very "green" friend whose Prius wasn't green enough to suit him, so 
> he bought a Leaf for his wife to drive to work in the fast bus lane since 
> electrics are were allowed there.
> Then the county, in its infinite wisdom, 
> 
> Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> Maybe it's wiser to look for a used Leaf. They tested it first and found 
>> that it would make the round trip to her job and back without recharging. 
>> Everything was working well until 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>>> I like electric cars, I've driven both the Fiat and the Nissan Leaf, liked 
>>> 'em both although I probably like the Leaf a little more. The Leaf is much
>>> bigger than the Smart, more like the size of a Golf. It was reasonably
>>> peppy, quiet and not at all a rattly deathtrap. If they were similarly
>>> priced I'd always go to the larger car. IMHO the Smart is wy
>>> overpriced, under featured and under mileage.
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>   To: Mercedes Discussion Li

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've thought about one of those for camp, we've got lots of wood...
Last week I used my little 2 stroke China generator to top up (read as bring 
back from the brink of disaster) the batteries on the camp a couple times. I 
bought it back in 2008 after we had an ice storm. When I bought it it ran 
great, started on about the third pull. I've run it maybe 3 times since then 
and it started easy each time. This trip the little b@$tard started out by 
breaking the fuel petcock right off in the tank... Fortunately Car Quest had a 
petcock that would work but it doesn't fit exactly right and the fuel line is 
stretched, which reminds me I need to replace it. I finally had to resort to 
starting fluid to get it to fire up and it ran like garbage for an hour or two. 
This is with fresh fuel mind you, all the old stuff fell out when the fuel 
petcock failed... It ran better after a couple hours but its still rough. I 
need to put some more Seafoam in the gas and run it a couple more hours before 
I'll call it acceptable.The nice thing about the little 2 stroke is it'll run 
like 2 hours on a quart of fuel. The 3k 4 stroke at camp uses twice that or 
more. I was also pleased that it doesn't smoke appreciably once its warmed up.
-Curt

  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Rich Thomas 
 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 2:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
   
You need one of those hot tubs with a wood stove in it, or an Okie hot 
tub -- an old bathtub sitting over an open fire.

--R

On 11/19/15 11:47 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with
> high winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull
> gennys have not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need
> of minor service.  Tonight I put another used starting battery
> on it (it takes two---24V) and replaced the heater hose vapor
> fuel line with a proper armored line.
>
> I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and
> it fired right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are
> watching House of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.
>
> The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already
> run out 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly
> on the other one, which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Amazon & Mobil 1

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I think so. It's the "European" oil they put the stickers on the MB engines for.

I have been using 15W-50 in my older stuff, like Tommy's S420 that is 
approaching 300k, but everything else I have is at or below 100k, so it gets 
the 0W-40.

Dan

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> On Nov 20, 2015, at 1:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is the 0w40 extended performance? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Just noticed that Amazon has Mobil 1 0W-40 for around $26 for the five quart 
>> jug. If you have a Prime membership this is a good deal, since shipping 
>> costs nothing.
>> 
>> It's weird - their price fluctuates wildly on this stuff. It went up to over 
>> $40/jug a couple of months ago, now it's back down again.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I bought it on Amazon but all the Dong Ching generators are about the same. 
Mine is the 1200w, I think I paid $120.
-Curt

  From: "arche...@embarqmail.com" 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 2:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
   
Is that the HF generator that's been advertised for $99 lately?
Gerry



Curt Raymond wrote:
> I've thought about one of those for camp, we've got lots of wood...
> Last week I used my little 2 stroke China generator to top up (read as bring 
> back from the brink of disaster) the batteries on the camp a couple times. I 
> bought it back in 2008 after we had an ice storm. When I bought it it ran 
> great, started on about the third pull. I've run it maybe 3 times since then 
> and it started easy each time. This trip the little b@$tard started out by 
> breaking the fuel petcock right off in the tank... Fortunately Car Quest had 
> a petcock that would work but it doesn't fit exactly right and the fuel line 
> is stretched, which reminds me I need to replace it. I finally had to resort 
> to starting fluid to get it to fire up and it ran like garbage for an hour or 
> two. This is with fresh fuel mind you, all the old stuff fell out when the 
> fuel petcock failed... It ran better after a couple hours but its still 
> rough. I need to put some more Seafoam in the gas and run it a couple more 
> hours before I'll call it acceptable.The nice thing about the little 2 stroke 
> is it'll run like 2 hours on a quart of fuel. The 3k 4 stroke at camp uses 
> twice that or more. I was also pleased that it doesn't smoke appreciably once 
> its warmed up.
> -Curt
> 
>      From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
> Cc: Rich Thomas 
>  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 2:03 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
>    
> You need one of those hot tubs with a wood stove in it, or an Okie hot 
> tub -- an old bathtub sitting over an open fire.
> 
> --R
> 
> On 11/19/15 11:47 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> > Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with
> > high winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull
> > gennys have not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need
> > of minor service.  Tonight I put another used starting battery
> > on it (it takes two---24V) and replaced the heater hose vapor
> > fuel line with a proper armored line.
> >
> > I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and
> > it fired right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are
> > watching House of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.
> >
> > The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already
> > run out 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly
> > on the other one, which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...
> >
> > -- Jim
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

In my experience, almost all small engine problems are caused by stale fuel 
and/or incomplete mixing of 3-cycle mix.  It's way cheaper to suck out/burn of 
the dregs than replace/rebuild gummed-up and corroded carbs.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 3:30 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Curt Raymond 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> 
> The inverter versions of the Honda are awesome, is yours one that supports
> teaming with another? We had a couple of those on a campout I was on in
> September. 1 was adequate for making coffee in the 30 cup urn but struggled
> if we were also trying to make toast ;) I need to keep my eye open for a
> Honda, way quieter than mine although for the money mine has been pretty
> good. I think my restart issue might be helped by running it dry which I did
> when I left camp.
> -Curt
>   From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
> Cc: Greg Fiorentino 
>  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 3:19 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> 
> I got lucky a few years back and found a Honda 2000i nearby on CL. The
> plastic case was a bit scarred, but it started up and ran great. I got it for 
> $400.
> I always run it dry before storage and do regular oil changes with synthetic.
> 
> I use it for camping to charge up the coach batteries when there's not enough
> sun for the solar power. The onboard 3.6KW LP fired Onan uses too much
> fuel for that purpose. Luckily we have not been without power at home for
> more than brief interruptions, so haven't needed the Honda at the house.
> 
> They're not cheap, but an excellent unit.
> 
> Greg
> 
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> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:21 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Curt Raymond
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> 
> I've thought about one of those for camp, we've got lots of wood...
> Last week I used my little 2 stroke China generator to top up (read as bring
> back from the brink of disaster) the batteries on the camp a couple times. I
> bought it back in 2008 after we had an ice storm. When I bought it it ran
> great, started on about the third pull. I've run it maybe 3 times since then 
> and
> it started easy each time. This trip the little b@$tard started out by 
> breaking
> the fuel petcock right off in the tank... Fortunately Car Quest had a petcock
> that would work but it doesn't fit exactly right and the fuel line is 
> stretched,
> which reminds me I need to replace it. I finally had to resort to starting 
> fluid
> to get it to fire up and it ran like garbage for an hour or two. This is with 
> fresh
> fuel mind you, all the old stuff fell out when the fuel petcock failed... It 
> ran
> better after a couple hours but its still rough. I need to put some more
> Seafoam in the gas and run it a couple more hours before I'll call it
> acceptable.The nice thing about the little 2 stroke is it'll run like 2 hours 
> on a
> quart of fuel. The 3k 4 stroke at camp uses twice that or more. I was also
> pleased that it doesn't smoke appreciably once its warmed up.
> -Curt
> 
>   From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Rich Thomas 
>  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 2:03 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> 
> You need one of those hot tubs with a wood stove in it, or an Okie hot tub --
> an old bathtub sitting over an open fire.
> 
> --R
> 
> On 11/19/15 11:47 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> > Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with high
> > winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull gennys have
> > not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need of minor service.
> > Tonight I put another used starting battery on it (it takes two---24V)
> > and replaced the heater hose vapor fuel line with a proper armored
> > line.
> >
> > I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and it fired
> > right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are watching House
> > of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.
> >
> > The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already run out
> > 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly on the other one,
> > which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...
> >
> > -- Jim
> >
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Re: [MBZ] wow

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Some of us don't want to live in the city. My wife does a much bigger business 
where her office is than she would 10 miles over in our little town.
Theres no work in TV anywhere near where we live but I like living in a little 
town and my house was MUCH cheaper (probably $100,000) than one within 10 miles 
of my office.
If you want to go down this road then why would anyone with a commute 10 miles 
or less drive a gas powered car? Totally environmentally irresponsible, an 
electric car would use less fuel, warm up the cabin faster, experience less 
wear and last better.
When I first graduated from college I commuted 1.5 miles and was frequently 
late for work. Now I go 60 miles each way and I'm rarely late. I also 
appreciate the "me time" I get during my commute. On the other hand I get a LOT 
of "me time" and I'd be just as happy with half as much ;)
-Curt
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 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 12:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] wow
   
On 20/11/2015 10:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Depends on where you live. I could drive from my house to NYC with no 
> problem, plenty of charging stations along 91, 84 and 95. I could drive to 
> the airport which would be close to the limit of my range but theres charging 
> ports (with preferential parking) at the airport.
> If I could get my employer to install a 220v charging port at the office I 
> could make my 60 mile one way commute pretty decently during the summer. In 
> the depths of winter it might be a stretch. My wife could easily do her 20 
> mile round trip...
> A friend of mine in LA has an electric Fiat, she pays around $100/mo for it, 
> had to put $3,000 down but the state gave her half back. Overall she'll have 
> the car 3 years and pay about $5000 total, all the service (minimal) is 
> included in the lease. Thats not bad for a brand new car, if I could get that 
> deal I'd have one. Sadly the Fiat electric is west coast only.
>
> -Curt
>
>
The real question is why anyone would do a commute of even 20 miles for 
any length of time.
I have moved my office 5 times in the past 20 years and every time has 
been closer to home.
Our home was initially bought in a location within a mile of my wife's 
workplace.
I think the furthest that I commuted on a daily basis is maybe 10 miles.
My office is now within a mile of home.
Think of the time and money that is wasted on a long daily commute.



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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

You need one of those hot tubs with a wood stove in it, or an Okie hot 
tub -- an old bathtub sitting over an open fire.


--R

On 11/19/15 11:47 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with
high winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull
gennys have not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need
of minor service.  Tonight I put another used starting battery
on it (it takes two---24V) and replaced the heater hose vapor
fuel line with a proper armored line.

I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and
it fired right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are
watching House of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.

The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already
run out 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly
on the other one, which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Make that 2-cycle.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 3:42 PM
> To: 'Curt Raymond' ; 'Mercedes Discussion List'
> 
> Cc: Scott Ritchey 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> 
> In my experience, almost all small engine problems are caused by stale
fuel
> and/or incomplete mixing of 3-cycle mix.  It's way cheaper to suck
out/burn
> of the dregs than replace/rebuild gummed-up and corroded carbs.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 3:30 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Curt Raymond 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> >
> > The inverter versions of the Honda are awesome, is yours one that
> > supports teaming with another? We had a couple of those on a campout I
> > was on in September. 1 was adequate for making coffee in the 30 cup
> > urn but struggled if we were also trying to make toast ;) I need to
> > keep my eye open for a Honda, way quieter than mine although for the
> > money mine has been pretty good. I think my restart issue might be
> > helped by running it dry which I did when I left camp.
> > -Curt
> >   From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
> >  To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
> > Cc: Greg Fiorentino 
> >  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 3:19 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> >
> > I got lucky a few years back and found a Honda 2000i nearby on CL. The
> > plastic case was a bit scarred, but it started up and ran great. I got
it for
> $400.
> > I always run it dry before storage and do regular oil changes with
synthetic.
> >
> > I use it for camping to charge up the coach batteries when there's not
> > enough sun for the solar power. The onboard 3.6KW LP fired Onan uses
> > too much fuel for that purpose. Luckily we have not been without power
> > at home for more than brief interruptions, so haven't needed the Honda
at
> the house.
> >
> > They're not cheap, but an excellent unit.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:21 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Cc: Curt Raymond
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> >
> > I've thought about one of those for camp, we've got lots of wood...
> > Last week I used my little 2 stroke China generator to top up (read as
> > bring back from the brink of disaster) the batteries on the camp a
> > couple times. I bought it back in 2008 after we had an ice storm. When
> > I bought it it ran great, started on about the third pull. I've run it
> > maybe 3 times since then and it started easy each time. This trip the
> > little b@$tard started out by breaking the fuel petcock right off in
> > the tank... Fortunately Car Quest had a petcock that would work but it
> > doesn't fit exactly right and the fuel line is stretched, which
> > reminds me I need to replace it. I finally had to resort to starting
> > fluid to get it to fire up and it ran like garbage for an hour or two.
> > This is with fresh fuel mind you, all the old stuff fell out when the
> > fuel petcock failed... It ran better after a couple hours but its
> > still rough. I need to put some more Seafoam in the gas and run it a
> > couple more hours before I'll call it acceptable.The nice thing about
> > the little 2 stroke is it'll run like 2 hours on a quart of fuel. The 3k
4 stroke at
> camp uses twice that or more. I was also pleased that it doesn't smoke
> appreciably once its warmed up.
> > -Curt
> >
> >   From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
> >  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: Rich Thomas 
> >  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 2:03 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> >
> > You need one of those hot tubs with a wood stove in it, or an Okie hot
> > tub -- an old bathtub sitting over an open fire.
> >
> > --R
> >
> > On 11/19/15 11:47 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with high
> > > winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull gennys
> > > have not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need of minor
> service.
> > > Tonight I put another used starting battery on it (it takes
> > > two---24V) and replaced the heater hose vapor fuel line with a
> > > proper armored line.
> > >
> > > I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and it
> > > fired right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are watching
> > > House of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.
> > >
> > > The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already 

Re: [MBZ] Generators

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Is that the HF generator that's been advertised for $99 lately?
Gerry

Curt Raymond wrote:
> I've thought about one of those for camp, we've got lots of wood...
> Last week I used my little 2 stroke China generator to top up (read as bring 
> back from the brink of disaster) the batteries on the camp a couple times. I 
> bought it back in 2008 after we had an ice storm. When I bought it it ran 
> great, started on about the third pull. I've run it maybe 3 times since then 
> and it started easy each time. This trip the little b@$tard started out by 
> breaking the fuel petcock right off in the tank... Fortunately Car Quest had 
> a petcock that would work but it doesn't fit exactly right and the fuel line 
> is stretched, which reminds me I need to replace it. I finally had to resort 
> to starting fluid to get it to fire up and it ran like garbage for an hour or 
> two. This is with fresh fuel mind you, all the old stuff fell out when the 
> fuel petcock failed... It ran better after a couple hours but its still 
> rough. I need to put some more Seafoam in the gas and run it a couple more 
> hours before I'll call it acceptable.The nice thing about the little 2 stroke 
> is it'll run like 2 hours on a quart of fuel. The 3k 4 stroke at camp uses 
> twice that or more. I was also pleased that it doesn't smoke appreciably once 
> its warmed up.
> -Curt
> 
>   From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
> Cc: Rich Thomas 
>  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 2:03 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
>
> You need one of those hot tubs with a wood stove in it, or an Okie hot 
> tub -- an old bathtub sitting over an open fire.
> 
> --R
> 
> On 11/19/15 11:47 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> > Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with
> > high winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull
> > gennys have not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need
> > of minor service.  Tonight I put another used starting battery
> > on it (it takes two---24V) and replaced the heater hose vapor
> > fuel line with a proper armored line.
> >
> > I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and
> > it fired right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are
> > watching House of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.
> >
> > The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already
> > run out 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly
> > on the other one, which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...
> >
> > -- Jim
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The inverter versions of the Honda are awesome, is yours one that supports 
teaming with another? We had a couple of those on a campout I was on in 
September. 1 was adequate for making coffee in the 30 cup urn but struggled if 
we were also trying to make toast ;)
I need to keep my eye open for a Honda, way quieter than mine although for the 
money mine has been pretty good. I think my restart issue might be helped by 
running it dry which I did when I left camp.
-Curt
  From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'  
Cc: Greg Fiorentino 
 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 3:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
   
I got lucky a few years back and found a Honda 2000i nearby on CL. The plastic 
case was a bit scarred, but it started up and ran great. I got it for $400. I 
always run it dry before storage and do regular oil changes with synthetic.

I use it for camping to charge up the coach batteries when there's not enough 
sun for the solar power. The onboard 3.6KW LP fired Onan uses too much fuel for 
that purpose. Luckily we have not been without power at home for more than 
brief interruptions, so haven't needed the Honda at the house.

They're not cheap, but an excellent unit.

Greg

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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond 
via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:21 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators

I've thought about one of those for camp, we've got lots of wood...
Last week I used my little 2 stroke China generator to top up (read as bring 
back from the brink of disaster) the batteries on the camp a couple times. I 
bought it back in 2008 after we had an ice storm. When I bought it it ran 
great, started on about the third pull. I've run it maybe 3 times since then 
and it started easy each time. This trip the little b@$tard started out by 
breaking the fuel petcock right off in the tank... Fortunately Car Quest had a 
petcock that would work but it doesn't fit exactly right and the fuel line is 
stretched, which reminds me I need to replace it. I finally had to resort to 
starting fluid to get it to fire up and it ran like garbage for an hour or two. 
This is with fresh fuel mind you, all the old stuff fell out when the fuel 
petcock failed... It ran better after a couple hours but its still rough. I 
need to put some more Seafoam in the gas and run it a couple more hours before 
I'll call it acceptable.The nice thing about the little 2 stroke is it'll run 
like 2 hours on a quart of fuel. The 3k 4 stroke at camp uses twice that or 
more. I was also pleased that it doesn't smoke appreciably once its warmed up.
-Curt

      From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Rich Thomas 
 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 2:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
  
You need one of those hot tubs with a wood stove in it, or an Okie hot tub -- 
an old bathtub sitting over an open fire.

--R

On 11/19/15 11:47 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with high 
> winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull gennys have 
> not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need of minor service.  
> Tonight I put another used starting battery on it (it takes two---24V) 
> and replaced the heater hose vapor fuel line with a proper armored 
> line.
>
> I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and it fired 
> right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are watching House 
> of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.
>
> The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already run out 
> 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly on the other one, 
> which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] wow

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 20/11/2015 2:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

My commute is 36 miles, almost equally divided between surface streets and 
highway (65 mph). On really good days, it's under 25 minutes. Worst case, it's 
35.

Just enough time to catch the news and a podcast. This American Life is one 
day's commute worth of listening.

Dan



If I were in Florida that might be almost enjoyable, but I am not.

My commute in the mornings normally takes about an hour. Most of that is 
consumed having coffee with the boys at the DQ about half way to the office.
Did I mention that I can drive it in about 7 minutes and most days, I go 
home for lunch. I can walk it in about 16 minutes overland accross the 
field at the University and sometimes do in better weather.


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Re: [MBZ] Amazon & Mobil 1

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I bought a gallon of 5w40 last week for $24.99 at O'Reilly in Maine. On sale it 
was cheaper than I've been paying for Car Quest brand 5w40...
-Curt

  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes List  
Cc: Dan Penoff 
 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 1:47 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Amazon & Mobil 1
   
Just noticed that Amazon has Mobil 1 0W-40 for around $26 for the five quart 
jug. If you have a Prime membership this is a good deal, since shipping costs 
nothing.

It's weird - their price fluctuates wildly on this stuff. It went up to over 
$40/jug a couple of months ago, now it's back down again.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[clay via Mercedes]

Other side of the state, Spokane

clay

On Nov 20, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

> Is J Cathey in Seattle?
> 
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:01 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with
>>> high winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull
>>> gennys have not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need
>>> of minor service.  Tonight I put another used starting battery
>>> on it (it takes two---24V) and replaced the heater hose vapor
>>> fuel line with a proper armored line.
>>> 
>>> I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and
>>> it fired right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are
>>> watching House of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.
>>> 
>>> The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already
>>> run out 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly
>>> on the other one, which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
>>> 
>> 
>> Jim gets an Eagle Scout award, for being prepared with multiple generator
>> options.  Being prepared after being prepared...
>> 
>> Congrats on the success!  Glad y'all are well.
>> 
>> You musta sent the wind here!  50+ mph all day. Blew the remaining leaves
>> out to andrew.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] wow

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

My commute is 36 miles, almost equally divided between surface streets and 
highway (65 mph). On really good days, it's under 25 minutes. Worst case, it's 
35.

Just enough time to catch the news and a podcast. This American Life is one 
day's commute worth of listening.

Dan

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> On Nov 20, 2015, at 3:13 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Randy,
> 
> Not to mention that short drives that don't fully warm up the engine and
> transmission oils are a sure path to rapid wear and death of the vehicle.
> The late Dr. MB opined that once the coolant temperature is normal
> operating temperature, another fifteen minutes of driving were required to
> get the oils fully warmed up to drive out the moisture.
> 
> My daily commute is about 15 miles, about 25-30 minutes.  In my opinion
> this is just barely long enough to warm up the oils.  If my commute were
> shorter, I'd be switching to a gasser that warms up quickly.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Some of us don't want to live in the city 
>>  From: Randy Bennell 
>> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 12:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] wow>
>> The real question is why anyone would do a commute of even 20 miles for
>> any length of time.
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I got lucky a few years back and found a Honda 2000i nearby on CL. The plastic 
case was a bit scarred, but it started up and ran great. I got it for $400. I 
always run it dry before storage and do regular oil changes with synthetic.

I use it for camping to charge up the coach batteries when there's not enough 
sun for the solar power. The onboard 3.6KW LP fired Onan uses too much fuel for 
that purpose. Luckily we have not been without power at home for more than 
brief interruptions, so haven't needed the Honda at the house.

They're not cheap, but an excellent unit.

Greg

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via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:21 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators

I've thought about one of those for camp, we've got lots of wood...
Last week I used my little 2 stroke China generator to top up (read as bring 
back from the brink of disaster) the batteries on the camp a couple times. I 
bought it back in 2008 after we had an ice storm. When I bought it it ran 
great, started on about the third pull. I've run it maybe 3 times since then 
and it started easy each time. This trip the little b@$tard started out by 
breaking the fuel petcock right off in the tank... Fortunately Car Quest had a 
petcock that would work but it doesn't fit exactly right and the fuel line is 
stretched, which reminds me I need to replace it. I finally had to resort to 
starting fluid to get it to fire up and it ran like garbage for an hour or two. 
This is with fresh fuel mind you, all the old stuff fell out when the fuel 
petcock failed... It ran better after a couple hours but its still rough. I 
need to put some more Seafoam in the gas and run it a couple more hours before 
I'll call it acceptable.The nice thing about the little 2 stroke is it'll 
 run like 2 hours on a quart of fuel. The 3k 4 stroke at camp uses twice that 
or more. I was also pleased that it doesn't smoke appreciably once its warmed 
up.
-Curt

  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Rich Thomas 
 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 2:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
   
You need one of those hot tubs with a wood stove in it, or an Okie hot tub -- 
an old bathtub sitting over an open fire.

--R

On 11/19/15 11:47 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with high 
> winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull gennys have 
> not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need of minor service.  
> Tonight I put another used starting battery on it (it takes two---24V) 
> and replaced the heater hose vapor fuel line with a proper armored 
> line.
>
> I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and it fired 
> right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are watching House 
> of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.
>
> The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already run out 
> 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly on the other one, 
> which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] wow

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 20/11/2015 2:13 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Randy,

Not to mention that short drives that don't fully warm up the engine and
transmission oils are a sure path to rapid wear and death of the vehicle.
The late Dr. MB opined that once the coolant temperature is normal
operating temperature, another fifteen minutes of driving were required to
get the oils fully warmed up to drive out the moisture.

My daily commute is about 15 miles, about 25-30 minutes.  In my opinion
this is just barely long enough to warm up the oils.  If my commute were
shorter, I'd be switching to a gasser that warms up quickly.

-
Max
Charleston SC


There is that but I do not drive the diesel in winter and the majority 
of the time and miles on the truck is highway travel to and from the 
lake (350 miles round trip) or Grand Forks ND (250 miles round trip) 
plus I run Mobil1 in the truck so I am not too worried about it. I use 
the command start to warm up the truck in the cold weather and keep it 
plugged in as well so it gets mostly warmed up.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] wow

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Randy,

Not to mention that short drives that don't fully warm up the engine and
transmission oils are a sure path to rapid wear and death of the vehicle.
The late Dr. MB opined that once the coolant temperature is normal
operating temperature, another fifteen minutes of driving were required to
get the oils fully warmed up to drive out the moisture.

My daily commute is about 15 miles, about 25-30 minutes.  In my opinion
this is just barely long enough to warm up the oils.  If my commute were
shorter, I'd be switching to a gasser that warms up quickly.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Some of us don't want to live in the city 
>   From: Randy Bennell 
>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 12:06 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] wow>
> The real question is why anyone would do a commute of even 20 miles for
> any length of time.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Yes, mine can run parallel with another to produce a 4KW generator. They are 
lightweight and very reliable. I occasionally look for a second one. Ten hours 
on a gallon of petrol is common. The LP genset in the motorhome burns 3/4 
gal/hr, so only really usable for short runs for the microwave or such.

I read that the similar Yamaha is also good, but just as expensive.

Greg

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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond 
via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 12:30 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators

The inverter versions of the Honda are awesome, is yours one that supports 
teaming with another? We had a couple of those on a campout I was on in 
September. 1 was adequate for making coffee in the 30 cup urn but struggled if 
we were also trying to make toast ;) I need to keep my eye open for a Honda, 
way quieter than mine although for the money mine has been pretty good. I think 
my restart issue might be helped by running it dry which I did when I left camp.
-Curt
  From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
Cc: Greg Fiorentino 
 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 3:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
   
I got lucky a few years back and found a Honda 2000i nearby on CL. The plastic 
case was a bit scarred, but it started up and ran great. I got it for $400. I 
always run it dry before storage and do regular oil changes with synthetic.

I use it for camping to charge up the coach batteries when there's not enough 
sun for the solar power. The onboard 3.6KW LP fired Onan uses too much fuel for 
that purpose. Luckily we have not been without power at home for more than 
brief interruptions, so haven't needed the Honda at the house.

They're not cheap, but an excellent unit.

Greg

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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond 
via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:21 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators

I've thought about one of those for camp, we've got lots of wood...
Last week I used my little 2 stroke China generator to top up (read as bring 
back from the brink of disaster) the batteries on the camp a couple times. I 
bought it back in 2008 after we had an ice storm. When I bought it it ran 
great, started on about the third pull. I've run it maybe 3 times since then 
and it started easy each time. This trip the little b@$tard started out by 
breaking the fuel petcock right off in the tank... Fortunately Car Quest had a 
petcock that would work but it doesn't fit exactly right and the fuel line is 
stretched, which reminds me I need to replace it. I finally had to resort to 
starting fluid to get it to fire up and it ran like garbage for an hour or two. 
This is with fresh fuel mind you, all the old stuff fell out when the fuel 
petcock failed... It ran better after a couple hours but its still rough. I 
need to put some more Seafoam in the gas and run it a couple more hours before 
I'll call it acceptable.The nice thing about the little 2 stroke is it'll 
 run like 2 hours on a quart of fuel. The 3k 4 stroke at camp uses twice that 
or more. I was also pleased that it doesn't smoke appreciably once its warmed 
up.
-Curt

  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Rich Thomas 
 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 2:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
  
You need one of those hot tubs with a wood stove in it, or an Okie hot tub -- 
an old bathtub sitting over an open fire.

--R

On 11/19/15 11:47 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with high 
> winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull gennys have 
> not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need of minor service.
> Tonight I put another used starting battery on it (it takes two---24V) 
> and replaced the heater hose vapor fuel line with a proper armored 
> line.
>
> I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and it fired 
> right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are watching House 
> of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.
>
> The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already run out
> 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly on the other one, 
> which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Fresh gas, the bad gas ran out when the petcock broke.


Curt

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From:"Scott Ritchey" 
Date:Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:42 PM
Subject:RE: [MBZ] Generators

In my experience, almost all small engine problems are caused by stale fuel 
and/or incomplete mixing of 3-cycle mix.  It's way cheaper to suck out/burn of 
the dregs than replace/rebuild gummed-up and corroded carbs.


> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 3:30 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Curt Raymond 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> 
> The inverter versions of the Honda are awesome, is yours one that supports
> teaming with another? We had a couple of those on a campout I was on in
> September. 1 was adequate for making coffee in the 30 cup urn but struggled
> if we were also trying to make toast ;) I need to keep my eye open for a
> Honda, way quieter than mine although for the money mine has been pretty
> good. I think my restart issue might be helped by running it dry which I did
> when I left camp.
> -Curt
>      From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
> Cc: Greg Fiorentino 
>  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 3:19 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> 
> I got lucky a few years back and found a Honda 2000i nearby on CL. The
> plastic case was a bit scarred, but it started up and ran great. I got it for 
> $400.
> I always run it dry before storage and do regular oil changes with synthetic.
> 
> I use it for camping to charge up the coach batteries when there's not enough
> sun for the solar power. The onboard 3.6KW LP fired Onan uses too much
> fuel for that purpose. Luckily we have not been without power at home for
> more than brief interruptions, so haven't needed the Honda at the house.
> 
> They're not cheap, but an excellent unit.
> 
> Greg
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:21 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Curt Raymond
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> 
> I've thought about one of those for camp, we've got lots of wood...
> Last week I used my little 2 stroke China generator to top up (read as bring
> back from the brink of disaster) the batteries on the camp a couple times. I
> bought it back in 2008 after we had an ice storm. When I bought it it ran
> great, started on about the third pull. I've run it maybe 3 times since then 
> and
> it started easy each time. This trip the little b@$tard started out by 
> breaking
> the fuel petcock right off in the tank... Fortunately Car Quest had a petcock
> that would work but it doesn't fit exactly right and the fuel line is 
> stretched,
> which reminds me I need to replace it. I finally had to resort to starting 
> fluid
> to get it to fire up and it ran like garbage for an hour or two. This is with 
> fresh
> fuel mind you, all the old stuff fell out when the fuel petcock failed... It 
> ran
> better after a couple hours but its still rough. I need to put some more
> Seafoam in the gas and run it a couple more hours before I'll call it
> acceptable.The nice thing about the little 2 stroke is it'll run like 2 hours 
> on a
> quart of fuel. The 3k 4 stroke at camp uses twice that or more. I was also
> pleased that it doesn't smoke appreciably once its warmed up.
> -Curt
> 
>      From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Rich Thomas 
>  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 2:03 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> 
> You need one of those hot tubs with a wood stove in it, or an Okie hot tub --
> an old bathtub sitting over an open fire.
> 
> --R
> 
> On 11/19/15 11:47 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> > Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with high
> > winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull gennys have
> > not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need of minor service.
> > Tonight I put another used starting battery on it (it takes two---24V)
> > and replaced the heater hose vapor fuel line with a proper armored
> > line.
> >
> > I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and it fired
> > right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are watching House
> > of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.
> >
> > The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already run out
> > 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly on the other one,
> > which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...
> >
> > -- Jim
> >
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Re: [MBZ] wow

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I could have a 7 minute commute if I wished, but that would mean I would have 
to live in a hipster-infested high rise surrounded by Java joints selling $6 
cups of coffee.

Oh, and I used to have a four to five minute commute some years ago. I hated it 
because my car never got warmed up (when I chose to drive it rather than walk.)

No thanks. I like my commute. Gives me some quiet time in between home and 
work. And I do enjoy driving my car, even if it has no soul.

Dan

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> On Nov 20, 2015, at 3:40 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 20/11/2015 2:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> My commute is 36 miles, almost equally divided between surface streets and 
>> highway (65 mph). On really good days, it's under 25 minutes. Worst case, 
>> it's 35.
>> 
>> Just enough time to catch the news and a podcast. This American Life is one 
>> day's commute worth of listening.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
> If I were in Florida that might be almost enjoyable, but I am not.
> 
> My commute in the mornings normally takes about an hour. Most of that is 
> consumed having coffee with the boys at the DQ about half way to the office.
> Did I mention that I can drive it in about 7 minutes and most days, I go home 
> for lunch. I can walk it in about 16 minutes overland accross the field at 
> the University and sometimes do in better weather.
> 
> RB
> 
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[MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the Poos neighborhood

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the Poos neighborhood

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Pretty upscale neighborhood in Orlando, I believe.  Some of these places have 
the craziest rules, all of which are provided to potential buyers who must 
attest to having read them and agree to abide by them before they even close on 
the house - this is state law.

I’m not defending the HOA, but in a lot of cases the owners just blow this 
stuff off and then try to claim the “I didn’t know that” card when confronted 
wth a violation.

I think this is a pretty ridiculous example and is probably the result of a 
overzealous HOA board, but it’s hard to say.

There is a really high end area on the north side of Tampa (Avila) where people 
like Tony Dungy (NFL coach) lives.  We’re talking $1M-$2M homes being cheap 
houses in this place. They have rules that ban motorcycles in the neighborhood. 
 I knew a guy who had a friend that lived there who he rode with.  They had to 
trailer their bikes to his house because they weren’t allowed to ride them on 
the neighborhood streets.

Crazy.

There was an HOA over this way that tried a similar stunt over banning pickup 
trucks, but an owner sued them and won.  The thing that really sucked for them 
was that the HOA had to increase their assessment to pay the legal fees, so 
they sort of screwed themselves in a bizarre way.

Dan, HOA President






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Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the Poos neighborhood

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s not bad.  You just have to be careful and understand what you’re getting 
into, that’s all.

We have a “nice” HOA.  The worst thing I can think of that’s happened this year 
has been writing up an owner because they had a bunch of pallets leaning up 
against the side of their garage for 3-4 weeks.  If you have a fence and stuff 
isn’t visible from the street there’s not a lot we can do about it.

Just south of us is a big development called “Fishhawk”.  Their HOAs are so 
restrictive they control what plants and trees you can put in your yard.  
That’s a bit over the top for me.

Dan



> On Nov 20, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would never live in an area with a HOA
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Pretty upscale neighborhood in Orlando, I believe.  Some of these places 
>> have the craziest rules, all of which are provided to potential buyers who 
>> must attest to having read them and agree to abide by them before they even 
>> close on the house - this is state law.
>> 
>> I’m not defending the HOA, but in a lot of cases the owners just blow this 
>> stuff off and then try to claim the “I didn’t know that” card when 
>> confronted wth a violation.
>> 
>> I think this is a pretty ridiculous example and is probably the result of a 
>> overzealous HOA board, but it’s hard to say.
>> 
>> There is a really high end area on the north side of Tampa (Avila) where 
>> people like Tony Dungy (NFL coach) lives.  We’re talking $1M-$2M homes being 
>> cheap houses in this place. They have rules that ban motorcycles in the 
>> neighborhood.  I knew a guy who had a friend that lived there who he rode 
>> with.  They had to trailer their bikes to his house because they weren’t 
>> allowed to ride them on the neighborhood streets.
>> 
>> Crazy.
>> 
>> There was an HOA over this way that tried a similar stunt over banning 
>> pickup trucks, but an owner sued them and won.  The thing that really sucked 
>> for them was that the HOA had to increase their assessment to pay the legal 
>> fees, so they sort of screwed themselves in a bizarre way.
>> 
>> Dan, HOA President
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 7:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
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[MBZ] 500SEL AMG - or Not?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Anybody know how you can authenticate an older AMG build, such as one on a 1983 
500SEL?

There’s some guy over on BenzWorld trying to pawn off one of these as an AMG 
and there’s little other than cosmetic stuff that is AMG on the car.  He’s 
claiming the engine and drive train were modified by AMG as well, but it looks 
totally stock.

Just curious.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] in praise of 4 wheel drive

[WILTON via Mercedes]

So, what's new?  They haven't done anything years but spend or money.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" 
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] in praise of 4 wheel drive


Hey, your party leaders have decreed  a 2 DAY work week in 2016 so there 
is
little chance of Congress accomplishing anything, other than maybe 
shutting

down the government.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:47 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Snow in minimal amounts is a solvent on the glue of society in the DC 
area.


--R (sent from my miniPad)

> On Nov 19, 2015, at 11:28 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>

> Siberia is snow covered, which means New England is going to get 
> WHACKED

> again this winter.

I hope that includes DC.  That is one way to keep the goobers from doing
harm.  About the only way, unless we replaced 300 or more of the elected
goobers with Cruzes.

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Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the Poos neighborhood

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I would never live in an area with a HOA

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> On Nov 20, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Pretty upscale neighborhood in Orlando, I believe.  Some of these places have 
> the craziest rules, all of which are provided to potential buyers who must 
> attest to having read them and agree to abide by them before they even close 
> on the house - this is state law.
> 
> I’m not defending the HOA, but in a lot of cases the owners just blow this 
> stuff off and then try to claim the “I didn’t know that” card when confronted 
> wth a violation.
> 
> I think this is a pretty ridiculous example and is probably the result of a 
> overzealous HOA board, but it’s hard to say.
> 
> There is a really high end area on the north side of Tampa (Avila) where 
> people like Tony Dungy (NFL coach) lives.  We’re talking $1M-$2M homes being 
> cheap houses in this place. They have rules that ban motorcycles in the 
> neighborhood.  I knew a guy who had a friend that lived there who he rode 
> with.  They had to trailer their bikes to his house because they weren’t 
> allowed to ride them on the neighborhood streets.
> 
> Crazy.
> 
> There was an HOA over this way that tried a similar stunt over banning pickup 
> trucks, but an owner sued them and won.  The thing that really sucked for 
> them was that the HOA had to increase their assessment to pay the legal fees, 
> so they sort of screwed themselves in a bizarre way.
> 
> Dan, HOA President
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 7:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/david-and-arna-orlando-sued-kimry-moor-homeowners-association-parking-personal-pickup-truc?fb=ptba
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Yeahbut how long did the old gas stand in the carb?

> -Original Message-
> From:  Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> 
> Fresh gas, the bad gas ran out when the petcock broke.
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> From:"Scott Ritchey"  Date:Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:42
> 
> In my experience, almost all small engine problems are caused by stale
fuel
> and/or incomplete mixing of 3-cycle mix.  It's way cheaper to suck
out/burn
> of the dregs than replace/rebuild gummed-up and corroded carbs.
> 



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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Didn't, the petcock was closed, I'd burned the old gas out.


Curt

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From:"Scott Ritchey via Mercedes" 
Date:Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 8:07 PM
Subject:Re: [MBZ] Generators

Yeahbut how long did the old gas stand in the carb?


> -Original Message-
> From:  Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> 
> Fresh gas, the bad gas ran out when the petcock broke.
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> From:"Scott Ritchey"  Date:Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:42
> 
> In my experience, almost all small engine problems are caused by stale
fuel
> and/or incomplete mixing of 3-cycle mix.  It's way cheaper to suck
out/burn
> of the dregs than replace/rebuild gummed-up and corroded carbs.
> 



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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Years ago we used Amoco "white gas", which was nearly pure octane, and it never 
caused problems. It was the most expensive gas on the market because the 
refining process was expensive.
When I was still cutting my own grass 8 or 10 years ago, I bought Amoco 
Premium, now colored blue, and still had no problems, although I don't know if 
it's still close to pure octane.
The strangest thing is that the high pressure washer will start right up even 
though the Amoco Premium in it may be a year or more old. I'm wondering if the 
gas in it, which is probably two years old now, will start up when I pressure 
clean the front porch next week?
Gerry

> Fresh gas, the bad gas ran out when the petcock broke.
> Curt

"Scott Ritchey" wrote:
> In my experience, almost all small engine problems are caused by stale fuel 
> and/or incomplete mixing of 3-cycle mix.  It's way cheaper to suck out/burn 
> of the dregs than replace/rebuild gummed-up and corroded carbs.
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 3:30 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Curt Raymond 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> > 
> > The inverter versions of the Honda are awesome, is yours one that supports
> > teaming with another? We had a couple of those on a campout I was on in
> > September. 1 was adequate for making coffee in the 30 cup urn but struggled
> > if we were also trying to make toast ;) I need to keep my eye open for a
> > Honda, way quieter than mine although for the money mine has been pretty
> > good. I think my restart issue might be helped by running it dry which I did
> > when I left camp.
> > -Curt
> >      From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
> >  To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
> > Cc: Greg Fiorentino 
> >  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 3:19 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> > 
> > I got lucky a few years back and found a Honda 2000i nearby on CL. The
> > plastic case was a bit scarred, but it started up and ran great. I got it 
> > for $400.
> > I always run it dry before storage and do regular oil changes with 
> > synthetic.
> > 
> > I use it for camping to charge up the coach batteries when there's not 
> > enough
> > sun for the solar power. The onboard 3.6KW LP fired Onan uses too much
> > fuel for that purpose. Luckily we have not been without power at home for
> > more than brief interruptions, so haven't needed the Honda at the house.
> > 
> > They're not cheap, but an excellent unit.
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:21 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Cc: Curt Raymond
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> > 
> > I've thought about one of those for camp, we've got lots of wood...
> > Last week I used my little 2 stroke China generator to top up (read as bring
> > back from the brink of disaster) the batteries on the camp a couple times. I
> > bought it back in 2008 after we had an ice storm. When I bought it it ran
> > great, started on about the third pull. I've run it maybe 3 times since 
> > then and
> > it started easy each time. This trip the little b@$tard started out by 
> > breaking
> > the fuel petcock right off in the tank... Fortunately Car Quest had a 
> > petcock
> > that would work but it doesn't fit exactly right and the fuel line is 
> > stretched,
> > which reminds me I need to replace it. I finally had to resort to starting 
> > fluid
> > to get it to fire up and it ran like garbage for an hour or two. This is 
> > with fresh
> > fuel mind you, all the old stuff fell out when the fuel petcock failed... 
> > It ran
> > better after a couple hours but its still rough. I need to put some more
> > Seafoam in the gas and run it a couple more hours before I'll call it
> > acceptable.The nice thing about the little 2 stroke is it'll run like 2 
> > hours on a
> > quart of fuel. The 3k 4 stroke at camp uses twice that or more. I was also
> > pleased that it doesn't smoke appreciably once its warmed up.
> > -Curt
> > 
> >      From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
> >  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: Rich Thomas 
> >  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 2:03 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> > 
> > You need one of those hot tubs with a wood stove in it, or an Okie hot tub 
> > --
> > an old bathtub sitting over an open fire.
> > 
> > --R
> > 
> > On 11/19/15 11:47 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with high
> > > winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull gennys have
> > > not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need of minor service.
> > > 

Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

White gas is the same thing as camping fuel and is not pure octane, its more 
like naptha and I think you'll find it has very little octane. Low compression 
engines would do well on it but I wouldn't run it in anything made in the last 
50 years. You can still buy white gas at the pumps in Amish country.
Old gas is interesting, I've had some things do real well even with quite old 
gas and some things that would crud right up with gas only a couple months 
old...
-Curt
  From: archer75--- via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: "arche...@embarqmail.com" 
 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 8:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
   

Years ago we used Amoco "white gas", which was nearly pure octane, and it never 
caused problems. It was the most expensive gas on the market because the 
refining process was expensive.
When I was still cutting my own grass 8 or 10 years ago, I bought Amoco 
Premium, now colored blue, and still had no problems, although I don't know if 
it's still close to pure octane.
The strangest thing is that the high pressure washer will start right up even 
though the Amoco Premium in it may be a year or more old. I'm wondering if the 
gas in it, which is probably two years old now, will start up when I pressure 
clean the front porch next week?
Gerry

> Fresh gas, the bad gas ran out when the petcock broke.
> Curt

"Scott Ritchey" wrote:
> In my experience, almost all small engine problems are caused by stale fuel 
> and/or incomplete mixing of 3-cycle mix.  It's way cheaper to suck out/burn 
> of the dregs than replace/rebuild gummed-up and corroded carbs.
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 3:30 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Curt Raymond 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> > 
> > The inverter versions of the Honda are awesome, is yours one that supports
> > teaming with another? We had a couple of those on a campout I was on in
> > September. 1 was adequate for making coffee in the 30 cup urn but struggled
> > if we were also trying to make toast ;) I need to keep my eye open for a
> > Honda, way quieter than mine although for the money mine has been pretty
> > good. I think my restart issue might be helped by running it dry which I did
> > when I left camp.
> > -Curt
> >      From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
> >  To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
> > Cc: Greg Fiorentino 
> >  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 3:19 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> > 
> > I got lucky a few years back and found a Honda 2000i nearby on CL. The
> > plastic case was a bit scarred, but it started up and ran great. I got it 
> > for $400.
> > I always run it dry before storage and do regular oil changes with 
> > synthetic.
> > 
> > I use it for camping to charge up the coach batteries when there's not 
> > enough
> > sun for the solar power. The onboard 3.6KW LP fired Onan uses too much
> > fuel for that purpose. Luckily we have not been without power at home for
> > more than brief interruptions, so haven't needed the Honda at the house.
> > 
> > They're not cheap, but an excellent unit.
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:21 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Cc: Curt Raymond
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> > 
> > I've thought about one of those for camp, we've got lots of wood...
> > Last week I used my little 2 stroke China generator to top up (read as bring
> > back from the brink of disaster) the batteries on the camp a couple times. I
> > bought it back in 2008 after we had an ice storm. When I bought it it ran
> > great, started on about the third pull. I've run it maybe 3 times since 
> > then and
> > it started easy each time. This trip the little b@$tard started out by 
> > breaking
> > the fuel petcock right off in the tank... Fortunately Car Quest had a 
> > petcock
> > that would work but it doesn't fit exactly right and the fuel line is 
> > stretched,
> > which reminds me I need to replace it. I finally had to resort to starting 
> > fluid
> > to get it to fire up and it ran like garbage for an hour or two. This is 
> > with fresh
> > fuel mind you, all the old stuff fell out when the fuel petcock failed... 
> > It ran
> > better after a couple hours but its still rough. I need to put some more
> > Seafoam in the gas and run it a couple more hours before I'll call it
> > acceptable.The nice thing about the little 2 stroke is it'll run like 2 
> > hours on a
> > quart of fuel. The 3k 4 stroke at camp uses twice that or more. I was also
> > pleased that it doesn't smoke 

Re: [MBZ] 500SEL AMG - or Not?

[clay via Mercedes]

Engine would have been signed by the guy that built it.  If there is no 
indication of this on the block or a plaque to the effect with engraved 
signature there, it is just a pig with lipstick.  All AMG engines were signed 
by the ONE guy who took it from parts to testing.  I am assuming there are 
other indication on the suspension and other AMG specific parts.  Matching part 
numbers on the body panels, the engine # will not match the build sheet from 
factory.



clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








On Nov 20, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> Anybody know how you can authenticate an older AMG build, such as one on a 
> 1983 500SEL?
> 
> There’s some guy over on BenzWorld trying to pawn off one of these as an AMG 
> and there’s little other than cosmetic stuff that is AMG on the car.  He’s 
> claiming the engine and drive train were modified by AMG as well, but it 
> looks totally stock.
> 
> Just curious.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 500SEL AMG - or Not?

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I think you can check with AMG or now the Benz factory to get details if you 
have the vin. 

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Nov 20, 2015, at 8:55 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:

Engine would have been signed by the guy that built it.  If there is no 
indication of this on the block or a plaque to the effect with engraved 
signature there, it is just a pig with lipstick.  All AMG engines were signed 
by the ONE guy who took it from parts to testing.  I am assuming there are 
other indication on the suspension and other AMG specific parts.  Matching part 
numbers on the body panels, the engine # will not match the build sheet from 
factory.



clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








> On Nov 20, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> 
> Anybody know how you can authenticate an older AMG build, such as one on a 
> 1983 500SEL?
> 
> There’s some guy over on BenzWorld trying to pawn off one of these as an AMG 
> and there’s little other than cosmetic stuff that is AMG on the car.  He’s 
> claiming the engine and drive train were modified by AMG as well, but it 
> looks totally stock.
> 
> Just curious.
> 
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] in praise of 4 wheel drive

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That's so they can be home with their constituents learning what Real
Americans want and need.

The secret reason for the death of bipartisanship is that few Congesspeople
live in DC anymore so they don't socialize with one another.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:40 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:

> We're paying them HOW MUCH for a two day work week? I want them in the
> office 6 days a week! They don't have to accomplish anything, which is
> the status quo, but they need to be there to earn their salaries! NO
> welfare for the legislative branch!!!
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 4:46 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > So, what's new?  They haven't done anything years but spend or money.
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 10:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] in praise of 4 wheel drive
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey, your party leaders have decreed  a 2 DAY work week in 2016 so there
> is
> >> little chance of Congress accomplishing anything, other than maybe
> >> shutting
> >> down the government.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:47 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Snow in minimal amounts is a solvent on the glue of society in the DC
> >>> area.
> >>>
> >>> --R (sent from my miniPad)
> >>>
> >>> > On Nov 19, 2015, at 11:28 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> > Siberia is snow covered, which means New England is going to get >
> >>> WHACKED
> >>> > again this winter.
> >>>
> >>> I hope that includes DC.  That is one way to keep the goobers from
> doing
> >>> harm.  About the only way, unless we replaced 300 or more of the
> elected
> >>> goobers with Cruzes.
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Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the Poos neighborhood

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I don't blame the HOA.  That truck is butt-ugly.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:07 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Okie Donn sez:  I think HOAs are un-constitutional, and need to be
>> outlawed. Luckily, our
>>
> airpark is free range.
>
> If the HOA was forced on you, you'd be right.  However the buyer has to
> sign off acceptance of the terms, so it is considered self-inflicted.
>
> Nobody makes you buy a house with a HOA.   (in theory)  However, when my
> daughter bought her house, there was no HOA agreement she had to sign.
> Fortunately her HOA is pretty benign.  This year they worked to get the
> city and an adjoining landowner to remove a homeless camp behind the
> backyards of 12 or 15 houses
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Re: [MBZ] 500SEL AMG - or Not?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I don’t know about the signature if it was a pre-merger vehicle, which this 
would definitely be.

There have been some good posts about this since, such as cams having “AMG 
50.1” on the ends, exhaust manifolds being two piece (AMG) or four in one, and 
solid lifter clips on each rocker.

Good reference material.

Dan


> On Nov 20, 2015, at 9:30 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I think you can check with AMG or now the Benz factory to get details if you 
> have the vin. 
> 
> --R (sent from my miniPad)
> 
> On Nov 20, 2015, at 8:55 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Engine would have been signed by the guy that built it.  If there is no 
> indication of this on the block or a plaque to the effect with engraved 
> signature there, it is just a pig with lipstick.  All AMG engines were signed 
> by the ONE guy who took it from parts to testing.  I am assuming there are 
> other indication on the suspension and other AMG specific parts.  Matching 
> part numbers on the body panels, the engine # will not match the build sheet 
> from factory.
> 
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> Anybody know how you can authenticate an older AMG build, such as one on a 
>> 1983 500SEL?
>> 
>> There’s some guy over on BenzWorld trying to pawn off one of these as an AMG 
>> and there’s little other than cosmetic stuff that is AMG on the car.  He’s 
>> claiming the engine and drive train were modified by AMG as well, but it 
>> looks totally stock.
>> 
>> Just curious.
>> 
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] 500SEL AMG - or Not?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I don't know about the signature if it was a pre-merger vehicle, 
which this would definitely be.


There have been some good posts about this since, such as cams 
having "AMG 50.1" on the ends, exhaust manifolds being two piece 
(AMG) or four in one, and solid lifter clips on each rocker.


Good reference material.

Dan


Oooh!  My SDLs have 2 piece exhaust manifolds!  Therefore I have not 
one, but 2 AMG cars!   I'll bet they are "Pebble Beach Eligible" also.


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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I never said it was a good fuel,  just a fuel used for boat stoves 
for safety reasons.



The main reason boat stoves use alcohol is the ability to extinguish 
a fire with water.  In all other ways, alcohol is an inferior fuel. 


Scott


   From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>

 >White gas is the same thing as camping fuel and is not pure octane,
 >its more like naptha and I think you'll find it has very little
 >octane. Low compression engines would do well on it but I wouldn't
 >run it in anything made in the last 50 years. You can still buy
 >white gas at the pumps in Amish country.
 >Old gas is interesting, I've had some things do real well even with
 >quite old gas and some things that would crud right up with gas only
 >a couple months old...
 >-Curt
 >

 White gas was unleaded.  It was used in gas lanterns and gas stoves
 (Coleman, et al)

 The lanterns and stoves didn't need the lead additive.  Car engines did.

 Boat stoves used alcohol, as it was lighter than air, and did not
 settle in the bilge, like gasoline or white gas fumes do.

 >
 >


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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > Gerry wrote:
> >
> > Years ago we used Amoco "white gas",

> Curt wrote:
> 
> White gas is the same thing as camping fuel and is not pure
> octane,

I think Gerry is referring to the Amoco premium gasoline that
was water clear rather than kinda brownish like most
gasoline.  

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Is J Cathey in Seattle?


Spokane.  Hard to get 20 acres in Seattle!  I wonder if a HOA
would prohibit a generator big enough to run several houses?

I heard there were some 300,000 customers without power at
the peak aftermath of this windstorm.  Pretty sure that 130,000
were in the Spokane area.  Still dark here, but more lights are
on than before, looking across the valley.

Chainsaws and generators are getting quite the workout in
this area these days...

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Some boats used kerosene too for the same reason. Jon Agne has a couple cool 
marine stoves.
-Curt

  From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 9:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
   


>White gas is the same thing as camping fuel and is not pure octane, 
>its more like naptha and I think you'll find it has very little 
>octane. Low compression engines would do well on it but I wouldn't 
>run it in anything made in the last 50 years. You can still buy 
>white gas at the pumps in Amish country.
>Old gas is interesting, I've had some things do real well even with 
>quite old gas and some things that would crud right up with gas only 
>a couple months old...
>-Curt
>

White gas was unleaded.  It was used in gas lanterns and gas stoves 
(Coleman, et al)

The lanterns and stoves didn't need the lead additive.  Car engines did.

Boat stoves used alcohol, as it was lighter than air, and did not 
settle in the bilge, like gasoline or white gas fumes do.


  
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Years ago gas was less perishable because it did not contain alcohol or similar 
additives.

>   From: archer75--- via Mercedes 
> 
> Years ago we used Amoco "white gas", which was nearly pure octane, and it
> never caused problems. ...



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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The main reason boat stoves use alcohol is the ability to extinguish a fire 
with water.  In all other ways, alcohol is an inferior fuel.  

Scott
> 
>   From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> 
> >White gas is the same thing as camping fuel and is not pure octane,
> >its more like naptha and I think you'll find it has very little
> >octane. Low compression engines would do well on it but I wouldn't
> >run it in anything made in the last 50 years. You can still buy
> >white gas at the pumps in Amish country.
> >Old gas is interesting, I've had some things do real well even with
> >quite old gas and some things that would crud right up with gas only
> >a couple months old...
> >-Curt
> >
> 
> White gas was unleaded.  It was used in gas lanterns and gas stoves
> (Coleman, et al)
> 
> The lanterns and stoves didn't need the lead additive.  Car engines did.
> 
> Boat stoves used alcohol, as it was lighter than air, and did not
> settle in the bilge, like gasoline or white gas fumes do.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] in praise of 4 wheel drive

[OK Don via Mercedes]

We're paying them HOW MUCH for a two day work week? I want them in the
office 6 days a week! They don't have to accomplish anything, which is
the status quo, but they need to be there to earn their salaries! NO
welfare for the legislative branch!!!

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 4:46 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> So, what's new?  They haven't done anything years but spend or money.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 10:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] in praise of 4 wheel drive
>
>
>
> Hey, your party leaders have decreed  a 2 DAY work week in 2016 so there is
>> little chance of Congress accomplishing anything, other than maybe
>> shutting
>> down the government.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:47 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Snow in minimal amounts is a solvent on the glue of society in the DC
>>> area.
>>>
>>> --R (sent from my miniPad)
>>>
>>> > On Nov 19, 2015, at 11:28 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Siberia is snow covered, which means New England is going to get >
>>> WHACKED
>>> > again this winter.
>>>
>>> I hope that includes DC.  That is one way to keep the goobers from doing
>>> harm.  About the only way, unless we replaced 300 or more of the elected
>>> goobers with Cruzes.
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I bought it on Amazon but all the Dong Ching generators are about the 
same. Mine is the 1200w, I think I paid $120.


I have one of those 800W HF things.  $99, still in the box.
I was thinking of it as a trunk accessory in case of trouble
on the road.

Filled up all 3 forklift tanks today.  $62.  Each little tank
is like burning a $20 bill.  Lasts only a little longer, too!  :-)

More laundry today, we're watching a movie, taking showers,
catching up on the intertubes...

Tomorrow I'm going to try the $6 Tecumseh carb rebuild kit I
got today, see if I can resurrect one of the two rope-pulls.
The Briggs in the other one is a different story, according
to the parts counter people.

I hate gasoline, and gasoline motors.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the Poos neighborhood

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Okie Donn sez:  I think HOAs are un-constitutional, and need to be 
outlawed. Luckily, our

airpark is free range.

If the HOA was forced on you, you'd be right.  However the buyer has 
to sign off acceptance of the terms, so it is considered 
self-inflicted.


Nobody makes you buy a house with a HOA.   (in theory)  However, when 
my daughter bought her house, there was no HOA agreement she had to 
sign.  Fortunately her HOA is pretty benign.  This year they worked 
to get the city and an adjoining landowner to remove a homeless camp 
behind the backyards of 12 or 15 houses


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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

White gas is the same thing as camping fuel and is not pure octane, 
its more like naptha and I think you'll find it has very little 
octane. Low compression engines would do well on it but I wouldn't 
run it in anything made in the last 50 years. You can still buy 
white gas at the pumps in Amish country.
Old gas is interesting, I've had some things do real well even with 
quite old gas and some things that would crud right up with gas only 
a couple months old...

-Curt



White gas was unleaded.  It was used in gas lanterns and gas stoves 
(Coleman, et al)


The lanterns and stoves didn't need the lead additive.  Car engines did.

Boat stoves used alcohol, as it was lighter than air, and did not 
settle in the bilge, like gasoline or white gas fumes do.


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Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the Poos neighborhood

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I think HOAs are un-constitutional, and need to be outlawed. Luckily, our
airpark is free range.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It’s not bad.  You just have to be careful and understand what you’re
> getting into, that’s all.
>
> We have a “nice” HOA.  The worst thing I can think of that’s happened this
> year has been writing up an owner because they had a bunch of pallets
> leaning up against the side of their garage for 3-4 weeks.  If you have a
> fence and stuff isn’t visible from the street there’s not a lot we can do
> about it.
>
> Just south of us is a big development called “Fishhawk”.  Their HOAs are
> so restrictive they control what plants and trees you can put in your
> yard.  That’s a bit over the top for me.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> > On Nov 20, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I would never live in an area with a HOA
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 20, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Pretty upscale neighborhood in Orlando, I believe.  Some of these
> places have the craziest rules, all of which are provided to potential
> buyers who must attest to having read them and agree to abide by them
> before they even close on the house - this is state law.
> >>
> >> I’m not defending the HOA, but in a lot of cases the owners just blow
> this stuff off and then try to claim the “I didn’t know that” card when
> confronted wth a violation.
> >>
> >> I think this is a pretty ridiculous example and is probably the result
> of a overzealous HOA board, but it’s hard to say.
> >>
> >> There is a really high end area on the north side of Tampa (Avila)
> where people like Tony Dungy (NFL coach) lives.  We’re talking $1M-$2M
> homes being cheap houses in this place. They have rules that ban
> motorcycles in the neighborhood.  I knew a guy who had a friend that lived
> there who he rode with.  They had to trailer their bikes to his house
> because they weren’t allowed to ride them on the neighborhood streets.
> >>
> >> Crazy.
> >>
> >> There was an HOA over this way that tried a similar stunt over banning
> pickup trucks, but an owner sued them and won.  The thing that really
> sucked for them was that the HOA had to increase their assessment to pay
> the legal fees, so they sort of screwed themselves in a bizarre way.
> >>
> >> Dan, HOA President
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 7:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/david-and-arna-orlando-sued-kimry-moor-homeowners-association-parking-personal-pickup-truc?fb=ptba
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