Re: Turn off Swap on boot disk
On 11/24/19 9:35 AM, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2019-11-22, gwes wrote: First, why is your workload causing swapping? That hasn't been a good idea since the beginning of computing. Even if the main workload is OK, relinking the kernel (reorder_kernel) causes swapping on smaller-memory systems. Been there in 1980 on a KA-10. We fixed the linker to do multiple passes so it never had to have all the inputs in core at the same time. Not gonna happen to gnu ld. Just for giggles I split the link into 4 partials with -r then linked the partials with the low core. Reduced RSS from over 200M to about 80M. The output text size is identical. Unfortunately some bss allocation changed so I can't say the output is identical. That could be tracked down if there were any interest. Observation: ulimit -d 9 didn't change behavior even when dsize was well over 100. Or am I assuming wrong things? I've never seen an Alix so this may be impossible but why don't you install a larger boot drive? With how they're often used, it's usually easier to replace the whole machine. Maybe also cheaper, if they can be replaced by mailing a new machine rather than having to visit a remote site (swapping the CF card requires removing the system board from the case, not just opening the case). Adding swap on USB is one way to eke out another release or two's use from the machine that can be done fairly easily without a visit.. All very reasonable when the machine is in someone else's place. I'm thinking ahead about my little Edgerouter... will I have to replace that for 6.8? Will i386 die [well, it should have decades ago] Geoff Steckel
Re: Turn off Swap on boot disk
On 2019-11-22, gwes wrote: > First, why is your workload causing swapping? That hasn't been > a good idea since the beginning of computing. Even if the main workload is OK, relinking the kernel (reorder_kernel) causes swapping on smaller-memory systems. > I've never seen an Alix so this may be impossible but > why don't you install a larger boot drive? With how they're often used, it's usually easier to replace the whole machine. Maybe also cheaper, if they can be replaced by mailing a new machine rather than having to visit a remote site (swapping the CF card requires removing the system board from the case, not just opening the case). Adding swap on USB is one way to eke out another release or two's use from the machine that can be done fairly easily without a visit..
Re: Turn off Swap on boot disk
> On Nov 21, 2019, at 23:54, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > wait until you see the next thing i'm interested in. modern > machines will barely notice it, but alix's will quake. I look forward to what’s in store. As for all the other helpful comments (from Theo and others), thank you. The workload is non-critical, and I’m just trying to figure out the best trade-offs. If I felt the trade-offs weren’t worth it, I’d upgrade the machines. I feel I’m on the edge, and, yes, likely 6.7 will be the end of their usefulness. But I already own them, and they’re not useless yet. Sean
Re: Turn off Swap on boot disk
On 11/21/19 2:47 AM, Sean Kamath wrote: Hello. Can someone provide me a pointer to how to do this? I have a bunch of Alix 2d13 boxes. With 6.6, I’ve found I need more swap than the default layout on a 2G compact flash drive has. So, I got some 1G USB thumb drives, and want to use JUST those for swap. Despite different attempts (setting the mount_opts to xx, setting mount_opts to “priority=1”), I can’t seem to prevent the swap on the boot disk being added with priority = 0. Can I do anything to turn it off or change the priority, short of changing the filesystem type? Thanks, Sean I think you're trying to solve the wrong problem(s). First, why is your workload causing swapping? That hasn't been a good idea since the beginning of computing. Second, USB sticks are not designed to do frequent writes. If you need more swap space and have a USB port open, get a cheap 100G flash drive with a USB interface like a portable drive. I've never seen an Alix so this may be impossible but why don't you install a larger boot drive? Geoff Steckel i
Re: Turn off Swap on boot disk
Sebastien Marie wrote: > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 11:47:39PM -0800, Sean Kamath wrote: > > Hello. > > > > Can someone provide me a pointer to how to do this? > > > > I have a bunch of Alix 2d13 boxes. With 6.6, I’ve found I need more swap > > than the default layout on a 2G compact flash drive has. So, I got some 1G > > USB thumb drives, and want to use JUST those for swap. Despite different > > attempts (setting the mount_opts to xx, setting mount_opts to > > “priority=1”), I can’t seem to prevent the swap on the boot disk being > > added with priority = 0. > > > > Can I do anything to turn it off or change the priority, short of changing > > the filesystem type? > > If I recall correctly, the swap on the boot disk is directly added by the > kernel, and not by rc(8). It is why priority in fstab(5) is ignored. config bsd swap generic It is part of the "swap generic" logic. > But you could change the priority of an already added swap with swapctl(8): > > # swapctl -c -p 1 myduid.b > > And you could automatically run it at boot-time by adding the command line in > /etc/rc.local file, which is sourced by rc(8). > > # echo 'swapctl -c -p 1 myduid.b' >> /etc/rc.local > > This way, at boot time: > - kernel adds the boot disk swap with priority 0 > - rc(8) adds the second swap with priority 0 (as configured in fstab(5)) > - rc(8) via rc.local changes the boot disk swap with priority 1 > - system will run with two swaps: > - second swap, priority 0, so used first > - boot disk swap, priority 1, used if second swap is full or by kernel for > dumping kernel core > > I hope it helps. It could help. Or, leave it alone. If you hit swap, you've learned something: Your machine is too small.
Re: Turn off Swap on boot disk
Sean Kamath wrote: > > On Nov 21, 2019, at 09:55, Kenneth Gober wrote: > > ... > > The need for more swap may be related to kernel relinking -- it might be an > > interesting experiment to see if your existing swap space is enough with > > kernel relinking disabled. > > Yes, precisely. > > I did add some larger CF cards on machines that needed more space. I just > happened to have a bunch of 1g thumb drives and figured I’d spare the CF all > the writes and use the thumbdrive. > > I was just hoping to avoid removing the default swap device so that in the > even the thumb drive died or whatever that the machine would still boot > (ideally, just setting the priority to 1 instead of 0 would do what I want). > > But, it sounds like the answer is delete/change the partition or live with > it. I’ll live with it, since I don’t want to disable kernel relinking. Sigh. relinking was added because risks have moved on, and smaller machines are less relevant. my first programming was on vic-20's. i wrote in basic. i ran out of space. then i wrote video games in a mix of asm and basic. then i ran out of space, and stored stuff in the unused nibbles of colour table. the lesson is eventually we need more, because we want to do more. we are now many decades later than the vic20, and arguably 2 decades after the best years of the alix. as a result, solutions using more resources to create benefits get added. wait until you see the next thing i'm interested in. modern machines will barely notice it, but alix's will quake.
Re: Turn off Swap on boot disk
On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 11:47:39PM -0800, Sean Kamath wrote: > Hello. > > Can someone provide me a pointer to how to do this? > > I have a bunch of Alix 2d13 boxes. With 6.6, I’ve found I need more swap > than the default layout on a 2G compact flash drive has. So, I got some 1G > USB thumb drives, and want to use JUST those for swap. Despite different > attempts (setting the mount_opts to xx, setting mount_opts to “priority=1”), > I can’t seem to prevent the swap on the boot disk being added with priority = > 0. > > Can I do anything to turn it off or change the priority, short of changing > the filesystem type? If I recall correctly, the swap on the boot disk is directly added by the kernel, and not by rc(8). It is why priority in fstab(5) is ignored. But you could change the priority of an already added swap with swapctl(8): # swapctl -c -p 1 myduid.b And you could automatically run it at boot-time by adding the command line in /etc/rc.local file, which is sourced by rc(8). # echo 'swapctl -c -p 1 myduid.b' >> /etc/rc.local This way, at boot time: - kernel adds the boot disk swap with priority 0 - rc(8) adds the second swap with priority 0 (as configured in fstab(5)) - rc(8) via rc.local changes the boot disk swap with priority 1 - system will run with two swaps: - second swap, priority 0, so used first - boot disk swap, priority 1, used if second swap is full or by kernel for dumping kernel core I hope it helps. -- Sebastien Marie
Re: Turn off Swap on boot disk
> On Nov 21, 2019, at 09:55, Kenneth Gober wrote: > ... > The need for more swap may be related to kernel relinking -- it might be an > interesting experiment to see if your existing swap space is enough with > kernel relinking disabled. Yes, precisely. I did add some larger CF cards on machines that needed more space. I just happened to have a bunch of 1g thumb drives and figured I’d spare the CF all the writes and use the thumbdrive. I was just hoping to avoid removing the default swap device so that in the even the thumb drive died or whatever that the machine would still boot (ideally, just setting the priority to 1 instead of 0 would do what I want). But, it sounds like the answer is delete/change the partition or live with it. I’ll live with it, since I don’t want to disable kernel relinking. Sean
Re: Turn off Swap on boot disk
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 3:50 AM Sean Kamath wrote: > I have a bunch of Alix 2d13 boxes. With 6.6, I’ve found I need more swap > than the default layout on a 2G compact flash drive has. So, I got some 1G > USB thumb drives, and want to use JUST those for swap. Despite different > attempts (setting the mount_opts to xx, setting mount_opts to > “priority=1”), I can’t seem to prevent the swap on the boot disk being > added with priority = 0. > > Can I do anything to turn it off or change the priority, short of changing > the filesystem type? I wouldn't. The swap space is sometimes used for other things besides swap (like crash dumps) so why risk breaking something? Just add your thumb drive as additional swap space and leave it be. If it were me this would all be a temporary solution anyway while I acquire larger CF cards to switch to. I'm a huge fan of not getting rid of old stuff if it's still working, but when your needs outgrow your hardware, sometimes the simplest path forward is to just upgrade. The need for more swap may be related to kernel relinking -- it might be an interesting experiment to see if your existing swap space is enough with kernel relinking disabled. -ken
Turn off Swap on boot disk
Hello. Can someone provide me a pointer to how to do this? I have a bunch of Alix 2d13 boxes. With 6.6, I’ve found I need more swap than the default layout on a 2G compact flash drive has. So, I got some 1G USB thumb drives, and want to use JUST those for swap. Despite different attempts (setting the mount_opts to xx, setting mount_opts to “priority=1”), I can’t seem to prevent the swap on the boot disk being added with priority = 0. Can I do anything to turn it off or change the priority, short of changing the filesystem type? Thanks, Sean
Re: Bad sectors on boot disk
There is no point in taking such action. Replace the drive. Once this begins, more blocks will go bad soon. > I'm getting console messages like: > > wd0a: uncorrectable data error reading fsbn 530469 of ... > > I found this page: > > How to repair bad sectors on HDD in OpenBSD (Part I) > > at: > > > https://www.s-vp.com/blog/post/how-to-repair-bad-sectors-on-hdd-in-openbsd-part-i > > Question 1: > Is it possible to repair "wd0a"? > Do I need another boot disk to do the repair? > I'm in the process of building another boot disk with the identical OpenBSD > version. I'm assuming it will take less time this way since I can copy the > settings from a backup. > > Question 2: > Once I build the new boot disk mentioned in Question 1 I thought I'd clone > it and keep it up to date using rsync. Is the page: > > OpenBSD 5.5 and later | cloning a disk the easy way > > at: > > > https://bytesandbones.wordpress.com/2014/09/23/openbsd-5-5-and-later-cloning-a-disk-the-easy-way/ > > Is this set of instructions complete or is there a better set of > instructions? Will this disk be bootable after cloning or do I have to > install OpenBSD on the clone first to make the disk bootable? Is this a > suitable way to maintain a spare clone of my boot disk? My data is kept on > other hard disks in my system. > > Thanks, Joe. > PS. My email web page flashed so I resent the message. I hope this gets > through. Sorry if it's a duplicate. >
Bad sectors on boot disk
I'm getting console messages like: wd0a: uncorrectable data error reading fsbn 530469 of ... I found this page: How to repair bad sectors on HDD in OpenBSD (Part I) at: https://www.s-vp.com/blog/post/how-to-repair-bad-sectors-on-hdd-in-openbsd-part-i Question 1: Is it possible to repair "wd0a"? Do I need another boot disk to do the repair? I'm in the process of building another boot disk with the identical OpenBSD version. I'm assuming it will take less time this way since I can copy the settings from a backup. Question 2: Once I build the new boot disk mentioned in Question 1 I thought I'd clone it and keep it up to date using rsync. Is the page: OpenBSD 5.5 and later | cloning a disk the easy way at: https://bytesandbones.wordpress.com/2014/09/23/openbsd-5-5-and-later-cloning-a-disk-the-easy-way/ Is this set of instructions complete or is there a better set of instructions? Will this disk be bootable after cloning or do I have to install OpenBSD on the clone first to make the disk bootable? Is this a suitable way to maintain a spare clone of my boot disk? My data is kept on other hard disks in my system. Thanks, Joe. PS. My email web page flashed so I resent the message. I hope this gets through. Sorry if it's a duplicate.
Re: getting data from degraded RAID 1 boot disk
On Wed, Feb 01, 2017 at 08:32:44AM -0500, ji...@devio.us wrote: > On Wed, Feb 01, 2017 at 01:33:54PM +0100, Stefan Sperling wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 01, 2017 at 04:12:26AM -0500, Jiri B wrote: > > > Should have kernel automatically create 'sd4' for degraded RAID 1 > > > but it does not? > > > > I believe it will auto assemble if the disk is present at boot time. > > ^^ This does work, I tried to plug the disk as boot device into QEMU VM. > > > But not when you hotplug the disk. > > Pity. Could it be reconsidered? It would ease data recovery (ie. trying > to get a box to boot the disk or using VM.) It will be particularly usefull at installation time when you plan to create a RAID1 / RAID5 setup and you don't have all the disks yet. RAIDframe had the 'absent' device name that could be used for this particular case.
Re: getting data from degraded RAID 1 boot disk
On Wed, Feb 01, 2017 at 08:32:44AM -0500, Jiri B wrote: > On Wed, Feb 01, 2017 at 01:33:54PM +0100, Stefan Sperling wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 01, 2017 at 04:12:26AM -0500, Jiri B wrote: > > > Should have kernel automatically create 'sd4' for degraded RAID 1 > > > but it does not? > > > > I believe it will auto assemble if the disk is present at boot time. > > ^^ This does work, I tried to plug the disk as boot device into QEMU VM. > > > But not when you hotplug the disk. > > Pity. Could it be reconsidered? It would ease data recovery (ie. trying > to get a box to boot the disk or using VM.) Sure. I am not saying the way it works now is best. Just trying to help. Patches welcome, as usual :)
Re: getting data from degraded RAID 1 boot disk
On Wed, Feb 01, 2017 at 01:33:54PM +0100, Stefan Sperling wrote: > On Wed, Feb 01, 2017 at 04:12:26AM -0500, Jiri B wrote: > > Should have kernel automatically create 'sd4' for degraded RAID 1 > > but it does not? > > I believe it will auto assemble if the disk is present at boot time. ^^ This does work, I tried to plug the disk as boot device into QEMU VM. > But not when you hotplug the disk. Pity. Could it be reconsidered? It would ease data recovery (ie. trying to get a box to boot the disk or using VM.) Thanks. j.
Re: getting data from degraded RAID 1 boot disk
On Wed, Feb 01, 2017 at 04:12:26AM -0500, Jiri B wrote: > Should have kernel automatically create 'sd4' for degraded RAID 1 > but it does not? I believe it will auto assemble if the disk is present at boot time. But not when you hotplug the disk.
Re: getting data from degraded RAID 1 boot disk
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:55:21PM +0100, Stefan Sperling wrote: > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 05:23:10PM -0500, Jiri B wrote: > > I have a disk which used to be boot disk of a degraded RAID 1 (softraid). > > The second disk is totally gone. > > > > I don't want to use this disk as RAID 1 disk anymore, just to get data > > from it. > > > > I'm asking because when I plugged the disk, bioctl said 'not enough disks'. > > > > Do we really have to necessary require two disks when attaching already > > existing > > degraded RAID 1 with only one disk available? > > Can you describe in more detail what you did to "plug the disk"? > It sounds like you ran 'bioctl' in a way that tries to create a > new RAID1 volume. Why? > > If the disk is present during system boot, is it not auto-assembled > as a degraded RAID1 volume? I would expect a degraded softraid RAID1 > disk to show up which you can copy data from. Thank you very much for reply. Here are the steps: 1. original disk which used to be part of degraded RAID 1 (softraid) boot disk attached via USB->SATA adapter: umass1 at uhub0 port 10 configuration 1 interface 0 "JMicron AXAGON USB to SATA Adapter" rev 3.00/81.05 addr 10 umass1: using SCSI over Bulk-Only scsibus5 at umass1: 2 targets, initiator 0 sd3 at scsibus5 targ 1 lun 0: SCSI4 0/direct fixed serial.49718017 sd3: 715404MB, 512 bytes/sector, 1465149168 sectors 2. trying to put degraded RAID 1 online: # fdisk sd3 | grep OpenBSD *3: A6 0 1 2 - 91200 254 63 [ 64: 1465144001 ] OpenBSD # disklabel sd3 | grep RAID a: 1465144001 64RAID # bioctl -c 1 -l /dev/sd3a softraid0 bioctl: not enough disks man bioctl unfortunatelly states: ~~~ The RAID 0, RAID 1 and CONCAT disciplines require a minimum of two devices to be provided via -l... ~~~ Should have kernel automatically create 'sd4' for degraded RAID 1 but it does not? As bioctl requires "a minimin of two devices" for RAID 1... IMO if RAID 1 could be constructed with on disk via bioctl it would be better also for people doing migration to RAID 1. j.
Re: getting data from degraded RAID 1 boot disk
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 05:23:10PM -0500, Jiri B wrote: > I have a disk which used to be boot disk of a degraded RAID 1 (softraid). > The second disk is totally gone. > > I don't want to use this disk as RAID 1 disk anymore, just to get data > from it. > > I'm asking because when I plugged the disk, bioctl said 'not enough disks'. > > Do we really have to necessary require two disks when attaching already > existing > degraded RAID 1 with only one disk available? Can you describe in more detail what you did to "plug the disk"? It sounds like you ran 'bioctl' in a way that tries to create a new RAID1 volume. Why? If the disk is present during system boot, is it not auto-assembled as a degraded RAID1 volume? I would expect a degraded softraid RAID1 disk to show up which you can copy data from.
getting data from degraded RAID 1 boot disk
I have a disk which used to be boot disk of a degraded RAID 1 (softraid). The second disk is totally gone. I don't want to use this disk as RAID 1 disk anymore, just to get data from it. I'm asking because when I plugged the disk, bioctl said 'not enough disks'. Do we really have to necessary require two disks when attaching already existing degraded RAID 1 with only one disk available? (I find it generally pretty sad we can't define RAID 1 with only disk. I could imagine constructing RAID 1 with one disk as useful feature, eg. migration from non-mirrored boot disk to RAID 1 boot disks which attaching just new additional disk. At least we used to do this on RHEL.) My current workaround is running a VM under qemu and accessing this disk as raw device. Surprisingly this works fine in comparision with previous attaching with bioctl. kern.version=OpenBSD 6.0-current (GENERIC.MP) #117: Sat Jan 7 09:10:45 MST 2017 j.
softraid RAID1 won't come up on boot - disk read errors during rebuild caused only good device to go offline
My HP Proliant D140 G3 running 4.9 CURRENT.MP with one modification (lowered UDMA mode, see just below) lost its softraid RAID1 volume - it will not be brought online at boot. Can someone tell me if it's possible, and how, to bring this volume up from what I think is a softraid partition that still has good (enough) data in it? I think the failure that caused the drive to go offline is a disk controller, not the disk itself. Thank you, I hope. This is the sequence of events: Days ago: * BIOS detects disk as UDMA mode 5 * kernel autodetects them as UDMA mode 6, i changed kernel to use mode 5, change is reflected in dmesg below * i set up softraid volume in RAID1 on 2 identical devices on 2 identical disks * wd0d and wd1d, both 1.0TB, on 1.5TB WDC WD15EARS-00Z5B1 drives, see disklabels below * i moved drives between machines * i booted up machine, softraid saw one disk as roaming or something on boot and brought up the softraid volume degraded - from 1 disk only * i started softraid rebuild from the one device that was online in the volume * i forget which one was being rebuilt from which * rebuild got to about 75% Today: * machine started throwing disk errors (just samples): wd1(pciide1:1:0): timeout type: ata c_bcount: 16384 c_skip: 0 pciide1:1:0: bus-master DMA error: missing interrupt, status=0x21 wd0(pciide1:0:0): timeout type: ata c_bcount: 16384 c_skip: 0 pciide1:0:0: bus-master DMA error: missing interrupt, status=0x21 wd0d: device timeout writing fsbn 698343248 of 698343248-698343279 (wd0 bn 708833693; cn 44122 tn 218 sn 29), retrying wd0: soft error (corrected) wd0(pciide1:0:0): timeout type: ata c_bcount: 16384 c_skip: 0 pciide1:0:0: bus-master DMA error: missing interrupt, status=0x21 wd0d: device timeout reading fsbn 544078240 of 544078240-544078271 (wd0 bn 554568685; cn 34520 tn 77 sn 34), retrying wd0: soft error (corrected) wd0(pciide1:0:0): timeout type: ata c_bcount: 16384 c_skip: 0 pciide1:0:0: bus-master DMA error: missing interrupt, status=0x21 * rebooted * more disk errors (just samples): login: wd0d: uncorrectable data error reading fsbn 195963120 of 195963120-195963151 (wd0 bn 206453565; cn 12851 tn 35 sn 45), retrying wd0d: uncorrectable data error reading fsbn 195963120 of 195963120-195963151 (wd0 bn 206453565; cn 12851 tn 35 sn 45), retrying wd0d: uncorrectable data error reading fsbn 195963120 of 195963120-195963151 (wd0 bn 206453565; cn 12851 tn 35 sn 45), retrying wd0: soft error (corrected) * disk device being rebuilt from went offline (!!!) -- i think this partition device still has good (enough) data * console filled with I/O errors from postfix and others trying to write to disk * i shutdown the machine * now when i boot: softraid0 at root softraid0: trying to bring up sd0 degraded softraid0: sd0 offline, will not be brought online root on wd0a swap on wd0b dump on wd0b * disklabel and sd0 output # disklabel wd0 # /dev/rwd0c: type: ESDI disk: ESDI/IDE disk label: WDC WD15EARS-00Z duid: 56a7443e9e93163c flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 63 tracks/cylinder: 255 sectors/cylinder: 16065 cylinders: 182401 total sectors: 2930277168 boundstart: 64 boundend: 2930277168 drivedata: 0 16 partitions: #size offset fstype [fsize bsize cpg] a: 2104448 64 4.2BSD 2048 163841 # / b: 8385933 2104512swap c: 29302771680 unused d: 2097157230 10490445RAID e: 2104448 2107647680 4.2BSD 2048 163841 # disklabel wd1 # /dev/rwd1c: type: ESDI disk: ESDI/IDE disk label: WDC WD15EARS-00Z duid: ab1a569ef35a3c17 flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 63 tracks/cylinder: 255 sectors/cylinder: 16065 cylinders: 182401 total sectors: 2930277168 boundstart: 64 boundend: 2930277168 drivedata: 0 16 partitions: #size offset fstype [fsize bsize cpg] a: 2104448 64 4.2BSD 2048 163841 b: 8385933 2104512swap c: 29302771680 unused d: 2097157230 10490445RAID e: 2104480 2107647680 4.2BSD 2048 163841 # dmesg OpenBSD 4.9 (GENERIC.MP) #794: Wed Mar 2 07:19:02 MST 2011 dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC.MP cpu0: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU 5110 @ 1.60GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 1.60 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36, CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,TM2 ,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,DCA real mem = 2146054144 (2046MB) avail mem = 2100785152 (2003MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 12/31/99, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfd361, SMBIOS rev. 2.31 @ 0xdc010 (57 entries) bios0: vendor HP version O08 date 06/03/2009 bios0: HP ProLiant DL140 G3 acpi0 at bios0: rev 0 acpi0:
Re: boot disk ???
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Chris Dukespak...@pr.neotoma.org wrote: Noone in their right mind installs an operating system just to install an operating system. For the matter, noone in their right mind uses a computer to just use a computer. There are rational human oriented end goals for which installing an operating system *MIGHT* be a rational step. Hardly true. I have plenty of geeky friends who love toying with different OSes. However, they usually have a i'll make it work, it'll be a fun challenge attitude, not it doesn't work so you're all trying to GET ME...
Re: boot disk ??? closed
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:02 AM, PJaf.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: Michael wrote: PJ, you wrote (in part) I already posted wherefrom - openBSD ftp site; the burning was done exaactly the same as for the FreeBSD and many other files without ever having any problems... and I mean, EVER ! I'd say you are making assumptions and not looking at the problem as a whole. I suggest we close this topic as it is wearisome and not going anywhere...forget all this nonselse, I'll figure it out by myself...and with a few leads from someof the nicer guys on the list... they know who they are... So, drop it... and amici come prima PJ It's not I who is having problems. I think it's OpenBSD. http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=124950952927714w=2 I already posted wherefrom - openBSD ftp site; the burning was done exaactly the same as for the FreeBSD and many other files without ever having any problems... and I mean, EVER ! http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=124951048129354w=2 -- O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org
Re: boot disk ???
my similar experience: I was recently trying to add 4.5 as a second OS on my laptop. It has a combo DVD reader/CD burner drive. For years it has produced perfect burned CD's under Windows. I burned install45.iso - disk was unreadable. Downloaded a linux live CD image - burned - unreadable. I now have a stack of about 20 coasters made with 4 different CD burning programs. Then I did some driver updates on Windows. The driver that fixed the problem was the SiS IDE driver. This is on an Alienware Area 51m laptop. Windows Update could not fix this problem. I had to find the drivers direct from the manufacturer of the chipset - SiS. The drive functioned normally for everything except burning. my advice: check your assumptions verify your image files don't give up Bruce --- dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: From: Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org To: Jason Dixon ja...@dixongroup.net cc: neal hogan n...@lambdaserver.com, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca, Marcus Watts m...@umich.edu, misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: boot disk ??? Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:40:50 -0600 The OpenBSD community is a very fun and helpful bunch. But we're not good at suffering fools or assholes. Oh come now... we are very good at making fools and assholes suffer.
Re: boot disk ???
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:18 -0400, STeve Andre' and...@msu.edu wrote: On Wednesday 05 August 2009 20:40:50 Theo de Raadt wrote: The OpenBSD community is a very fun and helpful bunch. But we're not good at suffering fools or assholes. Oh come now... we are very good at making fools and assholes suffer. What I want to know is why we haven't heard from Grumpy about this... Nick Holland has already responded to this thread. :)
Re: boot disk ???
Phil, After looking through your belligerence here and through http://marc.info/?a=11841782285r=1w=2 I have one question, what the hell is your end goal? As far as I can determine, getting OpenBSD or FreeBSD to run is only a perceived line item to that goal. Ditto for learning PHP. My current belief if that you're attempting to kludge together a platform for web development. However, you'd probably be better off seeing if what you're trying to develop can be implemented on an existing web content management system, preferably one deployed and maintained by the hosting provider. Oh, and you might want to strike ptahhotep.com from your .sig, you let it expire back in June. -- Chris Dukes
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Chris Dukes wrote: Phil, After looking through your belligerence here and through http://marc.info/?a=11841782285r=1w=2 I have one question, what the hell is your end goal? As far as I can determine, getting OpenBSD or FreeBSD to run is only a perceived line item to that goal. Ditto for learning PHP. My current belief if that you're attempting to kludge together a platform for web development. However, you'd probably be better off seeing if what you're trying to develop can be implemented on an existing web content management system, preferably one deployed and maintained by the hosting provider. Oh, and you might want to strike ptahhotep.com from your .sig, you let it expire back in June. Hi Chris, Thanks for replying and for your concern. Indeed, the website expired through negligence... actually it was reinstated a day or so after, once I learned it had happened... it's my daughter's site and I didn't pay much attention to it. There was some confusion with the reinstate and now I'm being raped for $100 when a renew normally costs $20 with these greedy people at domainprocessor. I use a very reasonalbe Canadian registrar who only charges something like $6 or $7. I have been using my web host for many years and know exactly what he is using and therefore I am using the very programs that work on his installation; have been doing that for some years. As for learning PHP all that is associated is a never-ending process. Unfortunately FreeBSD became a nuisance and a stumblilng block. I found that their philosophy or way of doing things has been somewhat snobbish and this confusing for end users. I must point out that I am not the only one to have had problems with them (especially the latest 7.2 version) as I found in several replies to my inquiries on their mailing list. There are issues with the upgrading and updating methods which are not clear as to what should be used with what or with what not (if that is clear); there is portsnap, cvsup, porupgrade, portmaster numerous tools dealing with the ports/packages and they tend to step on each others toes. The end of the line was some problem with installing or reinstallling some xcb related program and when I thereafter started up Xwindows all hell brok out... the screen went black and there was no way to gracefully shut down except by stopping with the start button on the machine. Rebooting was impossible either to FreeBSD or XP. I then took the computer apart, did the same with the server which was already down, reconfigured everything, recovered the files that were important (php and mysql data files) and prepared to start installing OpenBSD. Well, I suddenly found myself with an impossible situation: impossible to boot from the server on which I had just installed a brand new dvd/cd drive. I regrettably thought that the problem was with the boot disk as I had never experienced this kind of problem before... ever in some 15yrs of tinkering with computers. I have still not resolved the problem as I have been able to determine that both the boot disk and the drive are fine and work on other machines. But try what I may, I am unable to get the drive to function on boot-up. I have 2 motherboards MSI-6758 875P NEO-FISR, one 3ghz the other, server 2.4ghz. The same LG: GH22NP20 drive kind of hobbles on the desktop (writes ok, but does not read - a bit weird, wouldn't you say?) and the server wont boot from the drive no matter what settings I try. The desktop has a Sony dvd/cd writer/player and it fnctions without any problem whatsoever... makes no sense to me... I am now in contact with MSI hope they will have some insight... This is unbelievably frustrating that things are just getting more and more screwed up. So, there you have the long story... hope somebody can benefit from it; I sure haven't. :'( -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
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neal hogan wrote: Temper, temper. If anyone had taken seriously all the problems and hormanure I have had to put up with for the last two they would have either gone out and done something stupid to someone else or to themselves... I have to vent my frustrations somewhere and whatever got in the way was a target... lucky I'm a peacful guy but I sure don't like some of the shit I've been putting up with, especially recently. I just can't believe this absurdly stupid lg dvd drive not booting... it writes the dvds allright, but why the hell doesn't it read or boot from them? I'll know tomorrow when I return the damned thing. -Marcus Watts Is that an apology for your obnoxious behavior (in your very first misc@ thread, I might add)? We all have had trouble at one time or another and if you would have opened up about what you've done and with what, you may have gotten more help. You stil have yet to provide answers to many of the basic, help-inducing questions that have been asked. I hope you provide more info tomorrow (after you've rested and calmed down), so that we can get our situation under control. Indeed it is an apology... the only excuse I can possilby have is that there is so much misinformation or lack of information (I'm doing by best to not say 'stupidity') around that is just drives you nuts. How can you get clear information about such essential things as the configuration options in the bios? How can you find out what option you should use with what hardware? And why would you use P-ATA or S-ATA or both and how does one setting affect either? And then, how does Legacy or Native affect things if they are P-ATA of S-ATA? And why is the setting for the dvd/cd drive different if it is AUTO or CD-ROM or ARMD ... and how does the 32 Bit Transfer Mode affect the drive and what is ARMD anyway? It's not explained in the manual... How in hell can you be master of your own computer if you can't get the information to manage it? I just posted an answer to Chris Dukes about my adventure... more detail there. Anyway, I still can't boot from the drive and it's not the drive or the disk... and I can't understand if, how or why the bios may be involved in this... the drive shows up correctly, it starts to read the disk but just does not see whatever it is looking for... it asks to inset a bootable disk... so where does this lead us? I know the drive works on other machines as I had it verified at the store... and sure enough... no problem... what have I got here, the doomsday machine from hell... must be 2 of them as the other machine is identical except for cpu and minor differences... but it also has the same LG: GH22NP20 dvd/cd drive (that one writes very fast to disk but it doesn't read--that is, when loaded, the disk is seen in filemanager but when one tries to access it, it is not found!) Figure that out! Oh, well, just another day blown...I think I'm ready to go back to Mars. PJ -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
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On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 12:54:12PM -0400, PJ wrote: [ A lot of crap snipped ] Phil, You failed to answer the question. What the hell is your end goal? I have a simpler question for you. Are you too incompetent to answer a question like What the hell is your end goal? A) Yes B) No C) I don't know If you fail to answer A, B, or C, it will lead us to believe that yes, you are that incompetent. If you answer B and fail to provide a 1-5 sentence answer to What the hell is your end goal? we will assume that you are that incompetent. Most people here have already decided that you are that incompetent. They are enjoying an opportunity to make fun of your incompetence. I'm giving you the brief benefit of the doubt that the trials and tribulations of your life lead you to describe the metaphorical alligators you are wrestling rather than the metaphorical matter you need to drain the swamp. -- Chris Dukes
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Chris Dukes wrote: On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 12:54:12PM -0400, PJ wrote: [ A lot of crap snipped ] Phil, You failed to answer the question. What the hell is your end goal? I have a simpler question for you. Are you too incompetent to answer a question like What the hell is your end goal? A) Yes B) No C) I don't know If you fail to answer A, B, or C, it will lead us to believe that yes, you are that incompetent. If you answer B and fail to provide a 1-5 sentence answer to What the hell is your end goal? we will assume that you are that incompetent. Most people here have already decided that you are that incompetent. They are enjoying an opportunity to make fun of your incompetence. I'm giving you the brief benefit of the doubt that the trials and tribulations of your life lead you to describe the metaphorical alligators you are wrestling rather than the metaphorical matter you need to drain the swamp. Maybe you could be more specific... What do you mean by end goal? Perhaps my thinking is too abstract for you... If you mean why am I asking for help? or if it's about setting up OpenBSD, it's that I need an OS that is functional and reliable and more-or-less user friendly. MS is out as it is non of the above (user friendly, maybe if you're an idiot). FreeBSD used to be great but just slid downhill... Linux is too spread-out and has too many threads... I don't care for their confusing philosophies... I haven't looked at NetBSD but have heard of it and I like what I heard about OpenBSD from Neal. Now what is the purpose of this interrogation? I made a mistake about the boot disk, and I'm sorry. I jumped to conclusions. But I really had no other options at the time... I still don't know what is wrong in this rather unusual and extremely rare situation. I can only assume that any dvd/cd writer that is current on the market and that I have on other machines will work on this one. And, strangely, other dvd/cd drives have worked without problem on this machine as well... so why, is it this machine and this drive when all else functions well... What else am I to look for? -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
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Chris Dukes wrote: On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 12:54:12PM -0400, PJ wrote: [ A lot of crap snipped ] Phil, You failed to answer the question. What the hell is your end goal? I have a simpler question for you. Are you too incompetent to answer a question like What the hell is your end goal? A) Yes B) No C) I don't know If you fail to answer A, B, or C, it will lead us to believe that yes, you are that incompetent. If you answer B and fail to provide a 1-5 sentence answer to What the hell is your end goal? we will assume that you are that incompetent. Most people here have already decided that you are that incompetent. They are enjoying an opportunity to make fun of your incompetence. I'm giving you the brief benefit of the doubt that the trials and tribulations of your life lead you to describe the metaphorical alligators you are wrestling rather than the metaphorical matter you need to drain the swamp. BTW, you will notice that no one on the list was bright enought to suggest checking the machine or the dvd/cd drive... I found that by my own little stupid, arrogant self. you were all so emotionally intent of saving your asses that you couldn't function with intellectual clarity... I could accept being called a fool and stupid and whatever you want but if you guys are so smart and clever, why didn't anyone think to suggest looking at alternate possibilitiies. Forget it... I've managed by myself so far, and wont have any trouble doing on my own... Sorry to have awakened anyone. -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
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You don't need help setting up openbsd. OSX will gladly have you. See they don't ever have bad hardware or incompatibilities. Perfect for person of your stature and abstract thinking. On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 02:20:37PM -0400, PJ wrote: Chris Dukes wrote: On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 12:54:12PM -0400, PJ wrote: [ A lot of crap snipped ] Phil, You failed to answer the question. What the hell is your end goal? I have a simpler question for you. Are you too incompetent to answer a question like What the hell is your end goal? A) Yes B) No C) I don't know If you fail to answer A, B, or C, it will lead us to believe that yes, you are that incompetent. If you answer B and fail to provide a 1-5 sentence answer to What the hell is your end goal? we will assume that you are that incompetent. Most people here have already decided that you are that incompetent. They are enjoying an opportunity to make fun of your incompetence. I'm giving you the brief benefit of the doubt that the trials and tribulations of your life lead you to describe the metaphorical alligators you are wrestling rather than the metaphorical matter you need to drain the swamp. Maybe you could be more specific... What do you mean by end goal? Perhaps my thinking is too abstract for you... If you mean why am I asking for help? or if it's about setting up OpenBSD, it's that I need an OS that is functional and reliable and more-or-less user friendly. MS is out as it is non of the above (user friendly, maybe if you're an idiot). FreeBSD used to be great but just slid downhill... Linux is too spread-out and has too many threads... I don't care for their confusing philosophies... I haven't looked at NetBSD but have heard of it and I like what I heard about OpenBSD from Neal. Now what is the purpose of this interrogation? I made a mistake about the boot disk, and I'm sorry. I jumped to conclusions. But I really had no other options at the time... I still don't know what is wrong in this rather unusual and extremely rare situation. I can only assume that any dvd/cd writer that is current on the market and that I have on other machines will work on this one. And, strangely, other dvd/cd drives have worked without problem on this machine as well... so why, is it this machine and this drive when all else functions well... What else am I to look for? -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
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On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 02:24:21PM -0400, PJ wrote: I've managed by myself so far Except, really, you haven't, because you apparently (unless I've missed something) still can't make a bootable .iso. You come in and ask what are charitably described as ignorant questions, immediately blaming everything and everyone but yourself. You seem to have narrowed it down to a hardware issue...except that that still doesn't seem to be it. So it looks more and more like it's coming down to PEBCAK. But, hey, if you want to throw a pity party because those riding the intertruck are being mean to you, go right ahead. Just don't expect anybody else to think you're holy because you've nailed yourself to a cross.
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Bret S. Lambert wrote: On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 02:24:21PM -0400, PJ wrote: I've managed by myself so far Except, really, you haven't, because you apparently (unless I've missed something) You did miss everything... if you were paying attention and not emotionally hyped up (I just love provoking) you would have seen that I fixed my problems with FreeBSD by myself, saved the crah, the files, the OS (XP) and did make the right cd. And you like the rest of your emotionally crippled buddies didn't think that there might be something else in the bag of worms. No one thought of other problems, like, maybe there's something awry in the bios or drive configuration or the mb itself... I thought of that and found the malady but not yet the cure... Indeed I will find it and will save you the trouble of bothering to learn anything... ciao, baby and hasta la vista. :-* still can't make a bootable .iso. You come in and ask what are charitably described as ignorant questions, immediately blaming everything and everyone but yourself. You seem to have narrowed it down to a hardware issue...except that that still doesn't seem to be it. So it looks more and more like it's coming down to PEBCAK. But, hey, if you want to throw a pity party because those riding the intertruck are being mean to you, go right ahead. Just don't expect anybody else to think you're holy because you've nailed yourself to a cross. -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
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I've managed by myself so far That's the wierdest idea of by myself I've ever seen. Go back to your cup holder.
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PJ, you wrote (in part) I already posted wherefrom - openBSD ftp site; the burning was done exaactly the same as for the FreeBSD and many other files without ever having any problems... and I mean, EVER ! If burning files or images worked before, why should we think it was/is an hardware or bios problem? On 8/6/09, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: Bret S. Lambert wrote: On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 02:24:21PM -0400, PJ wrote: I've managed by myself so far Except, really, you haven't, because you apparently (unless I've missed something) You did miss everything... if you were paying attention and not emotionally hyped up (I just love provoking) you would have seen that I fixed my problems with FreeBSD by myself, saved the crah, the files, the OS (XP) and did make the right cd. And you like the rest of your emotionally crippled buddies didn't think that there might be something else in the bag of worms. No one thought of other problems, like, maybe there's something awry in the bios or drive configuration or the mb itself... I thought of that and found the malady but not yet the cure... Indeed I will find it and will save you the trouble of bothering to learn anything... ciao, baby and hasta la vista. :-* still can't make a bootable .iso. You come in and ask what are charitably described as ignorant questions, immediately blaming everything and everyone but yourself. You seem to have narrowed it down to a hardware issue...except that that still doesn't seem to be it. So it looks more and more like it's coming down to PEBCAK. But, hey, if you want to throw a pity party because those riding the intertruck are being mean to you, go right ahead. Just don't expect anybody else to think you're holy because you've nailed yourself to a cross. -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
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I've managed by myself so far That's the wierdest idea of by myself I've ever seen. Go back to your cup holder. Please, cupholders deserve a quiet life, too.
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On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Michael ber...@opensuse.us wrote: If burning files or images worked before, why should we think it was/is an hardware or bios problem? You obviously did not install the ESP dependency for the FREE HELP DESK package. Can someone please check the ports tree? -Tai -- http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity. -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation. Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted. -- Gene Spafford learn french: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1G-3laJJP0feature=related
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Michael wrote: PJ, you wrote (in part) I already posted wherefrom - openBSD ftp site; the burning was done exaactly the same as for the FreeBSD and many other files without ever having any problems... and I mean, EVER ! If burning files or images worked before, why should we think it was/is an hardware or bios problem? On 8/6/09, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: Bret S. Lambert wrote: On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 02:24:21PM -0400, PJ wrote: I've managed by myself so far Except, really, you haven't, because you apparently (unless I've missed something) You did miss everything... if you were paying attention and not emotionally hyped up (I just love provoking) you would have seen that I fixed my problems with FreeBSD by myself, saved the crah, the files, the OS (XP) and did make the right cd. And you like the rest of your emotionally crippled buddies didn't think that there might be something else in the bag of worms. No one thought of other problems, like, maybe there's something awry in the bios or drive configuration or the mb itself... I thought of that and found the malady but not yet the cure... Indeed I will find it and will save you the trouble of bothering to learn anything... ciao, baby and hasta la vista. :-* still can't make a bootable .iso. You come in and ask what are charitably described as ignorant questions, immediately blaming everything and everyone but yourself. You seem to have narrowed it down to a hardware issue...except that that still doesn't seem to be it. So it looks more and more like it's coming down to PEBCAK. But, hey, if you want to throw a pity party because those riding the intertruck are being mean to you, go right ahead. Just don't expect anybody else to think you're holy because you've nailed yourself to a cross. -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php I'd say you are making assumptions and not looking at the problem as a whole. I suggest we close this topic as it is wearisome and not going anywhere...forget all this nonselse, I'll figure it out by myself...and with a few leads from someof the nicer guys on the list... they know who they are... So, drop it... and amici come prima PJ -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
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On Thursday 06 August 2009 14:20:37 PJ wrote: Chris Dukes wrote: On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 12:54:12PM -0400, PJ wrote: [ A lot of crap snipped ] Phil, You failed to answer the question. What the hell is your end goal? I have a simpler question for you. Are you too incompetent to answer a question like What the hell is your end goal? A) Yes B) No C) I don't know If you fail to answer A, B, or C, it will lead us to believe that yes, you are that incompetent. If you answer B and fail to provide a 1-5 sentence answer to What the hell is your end goal? we will assume that you are that incompetent. Most people here have already decided that you are that incompetent. They are enjoying an opportunity to make fun of your incompetence. I'm giving you the brief benefit of the doubt that the trials and tribulations of your life lead you to describe the metaphorical alligators you are wrestling rather than the metaphorical matter you need to drain the swamp. Maybe you could be more specific... What do you mean by end goal? Perhaps my thinking is too abstract for you... If you mean why am I asking for help? or if it's about setting up OpenBSD, it's that I need an OS that is functional and reliable and more-or-less user friendly. MS is out as it is non of the above (user friendly, maybe if you're an idiot). FreeBSD used to be great but just slid downhill... Linux is too spread-out and has too many threads... I don't care for their confusing philosophies... I haven't looked at NetBSD but have heard of it and I like what I heard about OpenBSD from Neal. Now what is the purpose of this interrogation? I made a mistake about the boot disk, and I'm sorry. I jumped to conclusions. But I really had no other options at the time... I still don't know what is wrong in this rather unusual and extremely rare situation. I can only assume that any dvd/cd writer that is current on the market and that I have on other machines will work on this one. And, strangely, other dvd/cd drives have worked without problem on this machine as well... so why, is it this machine and this drive when all else functions well... What else am I to look for? Sure you had options. Instead of making the claim that it was OpenBSDs fault, you could have looked at your hardware. I was one of the early responders to your query, and I didn't think to put in checking the hardware because I'd thought you'd have done that, at the very start. Sadly you have started off with OpenBSD in the worst possible way. My advice to you would be to stay silent, and READ the OpenBSD site, the FAQ, and google for other OpenBSD sites and read those, as well. OpenBSD holds together very very well. It is the only operating system that I trust enough to be able to use the in-development version for a production system (with testing, of course). But the user base doesn't take whining very well. If you read up on this os, say spending 20 hours actually reading about it, you'll find it to be a great resource. This is my last comment on this. --STeve Andre'
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On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 02:20:37PM -0400, PJ wrote: Chris Dukes wrote: On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 12:54:12PM -0400, PJ wrote: [ A lot of crap snipped ] Phil, You failed to answer the question. What the hell is your end goal? I have a simpler question for you. Are you too incompetent to answer a question like What the hell is your end goal? A) Yes B) No C) I don't know If you fail to answer A, B, or C, it will lead us to believe that yes, you are that incompetent. If you answer B and fail to provide a 1-5 sentence answer to What the hell is your end goal? we will assume that you are that incompetent. Most people here have already decided that you are that incompetent. They are enjoying an opportunity to make fun of your incompetence. I'm giving you the brief benefit of the doubt that the trials and tribulations of your life lead you to describe the metaphorical alligators you are wrestling rather than the metaphorical matter you need to drain the swamp. Maybe you could be more specific... What do you mean by end goal? Perhaps my thinking is too abstract for you... Ah, you are imcompetent. As for a more specific answer. Here's an example. My employer needs to replace a Cisco router between the developers and file servers that only has 10Mbit NICs as well as a PIX firewall that is no longer firewalling, has no manuals, and the individual with the admin passwords is gone due to a heart attack. My employer has no budget for Cisco kit, but has a pile of NICs from dead eMachines and a handful of extra PCs. Noone in their right mind installs an operating system just to install an operating system. For the matter, noone in their right mind uses a computer to just use a computer. There are rational human oriented end goals for which installing an operating system *MIGHT* be a rational step. You exhibit the behavior of Oooh, a screw. I'll get a wrench to drive it into my thumb and then sue the screw manufacturer for not putting a warning label on each screw. If your end goal is to hit your thumb, more power to you. If your end goal is to attach two boards together, someone here might be able to show you the magic of nails, screwdrivers, and drills. -- Chris Dukes
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What am I missing here? Burning the iso image of install45.iso does not create a bootable disk. This is not a very good beginning for someone who has just decided to trash FreeBSD. FBSDs disks boot with no problem... -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
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PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca writes: Burning the iso image of install45.iso does not create a bootable disk. Strange. The installNN.iso images are definitely meant to be bootable. When I have not had easy access to a real CD set, I have at times booted and installed machines from disks burned from those files, so I suspect the missing bit is how the disks were burned. This is not a very good beginning for someone who has just decided to trash FreeBSD. FBSDs disks boot with no problem... Not a good beginning, but unless there's some odd detail we're missing, if you're able to boot FreeBSD there is normally no reason why an OpenBSD installer disk for the appropriate platform should fail to boot. The first question should probably be, did you verify that the .iso file matched the checksum before you burned it to disk? If the file was corrupted, that would be a good reason why you could not get it to boot. Once you've cleared that hurdle, It would help a lot with more details about the hardware, what image file you are using and where it came from (ie is it the i386 one, the amd64 one, off an official mirror site, or something different) and what application and options you use to burn the CD. Burning CD images to DVD media does not always work, for example (probably a stupid one that risks insistent contradictions, but well,), so any detail you supply could be helpful in sorting out whatever the problem is. - Peter -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/ Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
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On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 03:15:13PM -0400, PJ wrote: What am I missing here? Burning the iso image of install45.iso does not create a bootable disk. This is not a very good beginning for someone who has just decided to trash FreeBSD. FBSDs disks boot with no problem... it would help if you said what methods you were using to burn the disk. the cdio(1) tao command can burn images. jmc
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On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 03:15:13PM -0400, PJ wrote: What am I missing here? Burning the iso image of install45.iso does not create a bootable disk. It's gotta be something you're doing, for 4.5 has been around for a while (since May) and would have been fixed by now, if it were a problem. This is not a very good beginning for someone who has just decided to trash FreeBSD. FBSDs disks boot with no problem... -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
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PJ wrote: What am I missing here? Burning the iso image of install45.iso does not create a bootable disk. Yes, it does. This is not a very good beginning for someone who has just decided to trash FreeBSD. FBSDs disks boot with no problem... As do properly created OpenBSD boot disks. Give us some details, and maybe we can help you out. Quick first test, though: boot up OS of your choice, look on your CD, what do you see? Nick.
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On Wednesday 05 August 2009 15:15:13 PJ wrote: What am I missing here? Burning the iso image of install45.iso does not create a bootable disk. This is not a very good beginning for someone who has just decided to trash FreeBSD. FBSDs disks boot with no problem... It would help very much if you would state where you got the image from, and also try making another copy of it and trying that. What happens when you try booting? You can always create a boot floppy and do an ftp install if you are having CD problems. --STeve Andre'
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STeve Andre' wrote: On Wednesday 05 August 2009 15:15:13 PJ wrote: What am I missing here? Burning the iso image of install45.iso does not create a bootable disk. This is not a very good beginning for someone who has just decided to trash FreeBSD. FBSDs disks boot with no problem... It would help very much if you would state where you got the image from, ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/4.5/i386/cd45.iso and also try making another copy of it and trying that. What happens when you try booting? Obviously, if I hadn't tried to boot I wouldn't be asking here; but I'll humor you ;-) ...: Searching for Boot Record from CD/DVD-0..Not Found Boot Failure Reboot and Select proper Boot device or Insert Boot Media in selected Boot device Press any key when ready You can always create a boot floppy and do an ftp install if you are having CD problems. It's not I who is having problems. I think it's OpenBSD. It doesn't take much to look at the contents of the ISO file and see that it won't boot. But I guess I'm a glutton for frustration and I was just laughing at myself. Now what. This is a great start for a new system. -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
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It doesn't take much to look at the contents of the ISO file and see that it won't boot. But I guess I'm a glutton for frustration and I was just laughing at myself. Now what. This is a great start for a new system. Your attitude stinks. Good luck with life.
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PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca writes: It doesn't take much to look at the contents of the ISO file and see that it won't boot. Assuming you're not just trolling, this sounds very much like a corrupted download. They *do* happen from time to time. Check whether your .iso file matches the MD5 checksum listed in the MD5 file from the same directory you fetched your .iso (or a corresponding one from another mirror, should not matter). If they don't match, download a fresh copy and use that. -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/ Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
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Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca writes: Burning the iso image of install45.iso does not create a bootable disk. Strange. The installNN.iso images are definitely meant to be bootable. When I have not had easy access to a real CD set, I have at times booted and installed machines from disks burned from those files, so I suspect the missing bit is how the disks were burned. This is not a very good beginning for someone who has just decided to trash FreeBSD. FBSDs disks boot with no problem... Not a good beginning, but unless there's some odd detail we're missing, if you're able to boot FreeBSD there is normally no reason why an OpenBSD installer disk for the appropriate platform should fail to boot. The first question should probably be, did you verify that the .iso file matched the checksum before you burned it to disk? Checksums match! If the file was corrupted, that would be a good reason why you could not get it to boot. Once you've cleared that hurdle, It would help a lot with more details about the hardware, what image file you are using and where it came from (ie is it the i386 one, the amd64 one, off an official mirror site, or something different) and what application and options you use to burn the CD. I already posted wherefrom - openBSD ftp site; the burning was done exaactly the same as for the FreeBSD and many other files without ever having any problems... and I mean, EVER ! Burning CD images to DVD media does not always work, for example (probably a stupid one that risks insistent contradictions, but well,), so any detail you supply could be helpful in sorting out whatever the problem is. It really pisses me off that everyone assumes that the poor sap who is asking for help is too stupid to have done things right and they just forget that maybe the problem is in the SOURCE ! I know what a bootable image usually looks like... but neither of those I downloaded look right. Unless, of course the booting is supposed to be done in some incomprehesible way from some other operating system in some mysterious way that is not spelled out anywhere where I can find it, anyway. :-) Sorry, but I'm ust laughing all theway back to FreeBSD... they may be fucked-up but at least I can managed to figure out how to to deal with them. I liked the idea of how your head honcho runs things and the general response to the OS, but by gosh and by golly, Molly, somebody ai'nt got the steering sheel pointed right! -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
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PJ wrote: Unless, of course the booting is supposed to be done in some incomprehesible way from some other operating system in some mysterious way that is not spelled out anywhere where I can find it, anyway. :-) You've done it wrong. Sure as eggs are eggs you did it wrong. Promise! Sorry, but I'm ust laughing all theway back to FreeBSD... they may be fucked-up but at least I can managed to figure out how to to deal with them. I liked the idea of how your head honcho runs things and the general response to the OS, but by gosh and by golly, Molly, somebody ai'nt got the steering sheel pointed right! I'm actually delighted it doesn't work for you. -- Liam J. Foy NetBSD Developer liamj...@netbsd.org
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On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, PJ wrote: It's not I who is having problems. I think it's OpenBSD. I think you're not trying to help yourself. Even you beeing ironic in your first message, people are trying to help. -- Daniel Bolgheroni FEI - Faculdade de Engenharia Industrial http://www.dbolgheroni.eng.br/mykey ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) against HTML e-mail X / \
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On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:08 PM, PJaf.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: It really pisses me off that everyone assumes that the poor sap who is asking for help is too stupid to have done things right and they just forget that maybe the problem is in the SOURCE ! I know what a bootable image usually looks like... but neither of those I downloaded look right. Unless, of course the booting is supposed to be done in some incomprehesible way from some other operating system in some mysterious way that is not spelled out anywhere where I can find it, anyway. :-) Sorry, but I'm ust laughing all theway back to FreeBSD... they may be fucked-up but at least I can managed to figure out how to to deal with them. I liked the idea of how your head honcho runs things and the general response to the OS, but by gosh and by golly, Molly, somebody ai'nt got the steering sheel pointed right! That pisses me off too but a lot of the time there is something stupid going on. Seriously, did you check the md5? You really need to clear all the basics before whining around here. Like someone said, if install45.iso wasn't bootable in general it would have been fixed by now; if it isn't bootable on your particular machine that's a different issue, and you should post the machine's specs, possibly a dmesg (get one from FreeBSD?).
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having any problems... and I mean, EVER ! Burning CD images to DVD media does not always work, for example (probably a stupid one that risks insistent contradictions, but well,), so any detail you supply could be helpful in sorting out whatever the problem is. It really pisses me off that everyone assumes that the poor sap who is asking for help is too stupid to have done things right and they just forget that maybe the problem is in the SOURCE ! I know what a bootable image usually looks like... but neither of those I downloaded look right. Unless, of course the booting is supposed to be done in some incomprehesible way from some other operating system in some mysterious way that is not spelled out anywhere where I can find it, anyway. :-) Sorry, but I'm ust laughing all theway back to FreeBSD... they may be fucked-up but at least I can managed to figure out how to to deal with them. I liked the idea of how your head honcho runs things and the general response to the OS, but by gosh and by golly, Molly, somebody ai'nt got the steering sheel pointed right! WOW! You are an over-reacting baby! I want to apologize to the oBSD community for suggesting that this guy move to oBSD. He indicated that he was having difficulties with fBSD (for years) on an fBSD mailing-list and I thought I'd lend a hand. I'm sorry that I did. -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
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having any problems... and I mean, EVER ! Burning CD images to DVD media does not always work, for example (probably a stupid one that risks insistent contradictions, but well,), so any detail you supply could be helpful in sorting out whatever the problem is. It really pisses me off that everyone assumes that the poor sap who is asking for help is too stupid to have done things right and they just forget that maybe the problem is in the SOURCE ! I know what a bootable image usually looks like... but neither of those I downloaded look right. Unless, of course the booting is supposed to be done in some incomprehesible way from some other operating system in some mysterious way that is not spelled out anywhere where I can find it, anyway. :-) Sorry, but I'm ust laughing all theway back to FreeBSD... they may be fucked-up but at least I can managed to figure out how to to deal with them. I liked the idea of how your head honcho runs things and the general response to the OS, but by gosh and by golly, Molly, somebody ai'nt got the steering sheel pointed right! WOW! You are an over-reacting baby! I want to apologize to the oBSD community for suggesting that this guy move to oBSD. He indicated that he was having difficulties with fBSD (for years) on an fBSD mailing-list and I thought I'd lend a hand. I'm sorry that I did. I saw your post on that list, and I knew he was coming, so I shipped out a broken snapshot to cause him harm, on purpose.
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PJ wrote: Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca writes: Once you've cleared that hurdle, It would help a lot with more details about the hardware, what image file you are using and where it came from (ie is it the i386 one, the amd64 one, off an official mirror site, or something different) and what application and options you use to burn the CD. I already posted wherefrom - openBSD ftp site; the burning was done exaactly the same as for the FreeBSD and many other files without ever having any problems... and I mean, EVER ! Yes, OpenBSD 4.5 has been out since May and you are the first to discover that the CD install image (that spans across all the FTP mirrors) has a magical non-bootable bug! Yeah, that's likely.
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On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 06:08:33PM -0400, PJ wrote: I know what a bootable image usually looks like... but neither of those I downloaded look right. Unless, of course the booting is supposed to be done in some incomprehesible way from some other operating system in some mysterious way that is not spelled out anywhere where I can find it, anyway. :-) In previous private e-mail, I sent you a description of every file in cd45.iso. In previous private e-mail, I asked you what you saw, from any other OS, when you mounted the disc. I've received no replies. In the hope that those e-mails went into the bit bucket, and you never saw them, I will resend, publicly, the file descriptions I had previously sent. Please let us know if your content matches this: ./4.5 directory ./4.5/i386 directory ./4.5/i386/boot.catalog El Torito boot catalog ./4.5/i386/bsd.rd OpenBSD ramdisk kernel ./4.5/i386/cdboot OpenBSD second stage boot loader ./4.5/i386/cdbr El Torito first stage boot loader ./4.5/i386/TRANS.TBLCD9660 translation table ./4.5/TRANS.TBL ditto ./etc directory ./etc/boot.conf boot configuration ./etc/TRANS.TBL see above ./TRANS.TBL ditto If your content matches, then as I'd written previously in private e-mail, try cdemu45.iso. That version is required if your BIOS requires large diskette emulation to boot an El Torito disc. It would be unusual, but not impossible. Or, you can give up. Either way, the choice is yours.
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PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca writes: The first question should probably be, did you verify that the .iso file matched the checksum before you burned it to disk? Checksums match! Show me. I need to see the exact command and any output. I already posted wherefrom - openBSD ftp site; the burning was done exaactly the same as for the FreeBSD and many other files without ever having any problems... and I mean, EVER ! Show me. I need to see the exact command and any output. NO editing allowed. For both a burn that succeeds (that is, produces a bootable disk) and one that produces a non-booting OpenBSD disk from a file that matches the checksums. I know what a bootable image usually looks like... but neither of those I downloaded look right. Then maybe you would be so kind as to share that information with us? At this point you have offered only a slightly drawn-out version of I can't get this to work and it's YOUR fault, with no information that could actually have helped in debugging just what went wrong, but generously padded with I know best tidbits like that bit I just quoted. The people who asked you the things you found ever-so-insulting really wanted to help. But you chose to yell at them instead of offering up the useful information they asked for, so you've probably blown your chances of getting any help here, at least for now. Much like any other mailing list populated by volunteers, come to think of it. -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/ Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
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On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:08 PM, PJaf.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: Once you've cleared that hurdle, It would help a lot with more details about the hardware, what image file you are using and where it came from (ie is it the i386 one, the amd64 one, off an official mirror site, or something different) and what application and options you use to burn the CD. I already posted wherefrom - openBSD ftp site; the burning was done exaactly the same as for the FreeBSD and many other files without ever having any problems... and I mean, EVER ! How about giving actual details. Here let me help: Downloaded install45.iso from ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/4.5/amd64/. Attempted to boot on an IBM x305 with the following errors: ... Maybe a dmesg from another OS would help... See? That wouldn't be too hard now would it? Burning CD images to DVD media does not always work, for example (probably a stupid one that risks insistent contradictions, but well,), so any detail you supply could be helpful in sorting out whatever the problem is. It really pisses me off that everyone assumes that the poor sap who is asking for help is too stupid to have done things right and they just forget that maybe the problem is in the SOURCE ! Rather than details you get all defensive. And for the record I assume that you are doing something wrong. Why? Because I've booted both install45.iso and install46.iso hundreds of times without any problems. Notice I didn't say stupid, just wrong. I've made my share of brainos over the years - are you capable of laughing at yourself? I know what a bootable image usually looks like... but neither of those I downloaded look right. What color is yours? I see the amd64 installer as mauve and the i386 as more of a dark green. Again, no details... Unless, of course the booting is supposed to be done in some incomprehesible way from some other operating system in some mysterious way that is not spelled out anywhere where I can find it, anyway. :-) Search the archives. Very few people get stuck at the same point as you. Sorry, but I'm ust laughing all theway back to FreeBSD... they may be fucked-up but at least I can managed to figure out how to to deal with them. I liked the idea of how your head honcho runs things and the general response to the OS, but by gosh and by golly, Molly, somebody ai'nt got the steering sheel pointed right! Buh-bye. Don't let the iso hit you in the ass on the way out... -N
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On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Peter N. M. Hansteenpe...@bsdly.net wrote: PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca writes: The first question should probably be, did you verify that the .iso file matched the checksum before you burned it to disk? Checksums match! Show me. I need to see the exact command and any output. Before anyone spends any more time trying to help this individual, take a look at the last couple years worth of posts he's made to other lists so you can make an informed decision about whether your time would be wasted or not. http://marc.info/?a=11841782285r=1w=2 -- -- Paul D. Ouderkirk Senior UNIX System Administrator p...@ouderkirk.ca -- laughing, in the mechanism -- William Gibson
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Nick Bender wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:08 PM, PJaf.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: Once you've cleared that hurdle, It would help a lot with more details about the hardware, what image file you are using and where it came from (ie is it the i386 one, the amd64 one, off an official mirror site, or something different) and what application and options you use to burn the CD. I already posted wherefrom - openBSD ftp site; the burning was done exaactly the same as for the FreeBSD and many other files without ever having any problems... and I mean, EVER ! How about giving actual details. Here let me help: Downloaded install45.iso from ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/4.5/amd64/. Attempted to boot on an IBM x305 with the following errors: ... Maybe a dmesg from another OS would help... See? That wouldn't be too hard now would it? Burning CD images to DVD media does not always work, for example (probably a stupid one that risks insistent contradictions, but well,), so any detail you supply could be helpful in sorting out whatever the problem is. It really pisses me off that everyone assumes that the poor sap who is asking for help is too stupid to have done things right and they just forget that maybe the problem is in the SOURCE ! Rather than details you get all defensive. And for the record I assume that you are doing something wrong. Why? Because I've booted both install45.iso and install46.iso hundreds of times without any problems. Notice I didn't say stupid, just wrong. I've made my share of brainos over the years - are you capable of laughing at yourself? I know what a bootable image usually looks like... but neither of those I downloaded look right. What color is yours? I see the amd64 installer as mauve and the i386 as more of a dark green. Again, no details... Unless, of course the booting is supposed to be done in some incomprehesible way from some other operating system in some mysterious way that is not spelled out anywhere where I can find it, anyway. :-) Search the archives. Very few people get stuck at the same point as you. Sorry, but I'm ust laughing all theway back to FreeBSD... they may be fucked-up but at least I can managed to figure out how to to deal with them. I liked the idea of how your head honcho runs things and the general response to the OS, but by gosh and by golly, Molly, somebody ai'nt got the steering sheel pointed right! Buh-bye. Don't let the iso hit you in the ass on the way out... -N Maybe it really IS a cup holder. Those do not give out very good diagnostics.
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WOW! You are an over-reacting baby! I want to apologize to the oBSD community for suggesting that this guy move to oBSD. He indicated that he was having difficulties with fBSD (for years) on an fBSD mailing-list and I thought I'd lend a hand. I'm sorry that I did. I saw your post on that list, and I knew he was coming, so I shipped out a broken snapshot to cause him harm, on purpose. Ha! Nice!
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PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca writes: ... It's not I who is having problems. I think it's OpenBSD. Assigning blame before resolving the problem is counter-productive. It doesn't take much to look at the contents of the ISO file and see that it won't boot. But I guess I'm a glutton for frustration and I was just laughing at myself. Now what. The only evidence you've produced here indicates your bios didn't like your CD. There's a rather large tree of possibilities for what could cause this - most of which have nothing to do with OpenBSD. You're right, it doesn't take much to look at an ISO image. Have you verified that your burned cd has the same checksum as your downloaded ISO file? So what did you find when you looked at the contents of your cd? Are there tar balls? kernels? el torito boot image? This is a great start for a new system. Temper, temper. -Marcus Watts
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Nick Guenther wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:08 PM, PJaf.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: It really pisses me off that everyone assumes that the poor sap who is asking for help is too stupid to have done things right and they just forget that maybe the problem is in the SOURCE ! I know what a bootable image usually looks like... but neither of those I downloaded look right. Unless, of course the booting is supposed to be done in some incomprehesible way from some other operating system in some mysterious way that is not spelled out anywhere where I can find it, anyway. :-) Sorry, but I'm ust laughing all theway back to FreeBSD... they may be fucked-up but at least I can managed to figure out how to to deal with them. I liked the idea of how your head honcho runs things and the general response to the OS, but by gosh and by golly, Molly, somebody ai'nt got the steering sheel pointed right! That pisses me off too but a lot of the time there is something stupid going on. Seriously, did you check the md5? You really need to clear all the basics before whining around here. Like someone said, if install45.iso wasn't bootable in general it would have been fixed by now; if it isn't bootable on your particular machine that's a different issue, and you should post the machine's specs, possibly a dmesg (get one from FreeBSD?). Nick, I' really sorry that it's going this way, but this has not been my week or weeks even... I have two other lg dvd writer/players that are supposed to R/W all formats... but I have never used them to boot... now, I try it and naturally, I expect it to work as all others that I have ever had to work So now I feel like I'm being beten over the head with some kind of steel girder. I'll try to straighten it out tomorrow as I can't deal with the store today. BTW, I did check averything... my machines are working fine, everyting is ok... excep this damned dvd machine. I'll know more tomorrow. -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
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Marcus Watts wrote: PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca writes: ... It's not I who is having problems. I think it's OpenBSD. Assigning blame before resolving the problem is counter-productive. It doesn't take much to look at the contents of the ISO file and see that it won't boot. But I guess I'm a glutton for frustration and I was just laughing at myself. Now what. The only evidence you've produced here indicates your bios didn't like your CD. There's a rather large tree of possibilities for what could cause this - most of which have nothing to do with OpenBSD. You're right, it doesn't take much to look at an ISO image. Have you verified that your burned cd has the same checksum as your downloaded ISO file? So what did you find when you looked at the contents of your cd? Are there tar balls? tar balls, yes; kernels - unless they're in a tar ball; and el torito - don't know, but there are boot files I think it's the dvd drive... really a bummer kernels? el torito boot image? This is a great start for a new system. Temper, temper. If anyone had taken seriously all the problems and hormanure I have had to put up with for the last two they would have either gone out and done something stupid to someone else or to themselves... I have to vent my frustrations somewhere and whatever got in the way was a target... lucky I'm a peacful guy but I sure don't like some of the shit I've been putting up with, especially recently. I just can't believe this absurdly stupid lg dvd drive not booting... it writes the dvds allright, but why the hell doesn't it read or boot from them? I'll know tomorrow when I return the damned thing. -Marcus Watts -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
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PJ wrote: It really pisses me off that everyone assumes that the poor sap who is asking for help is too stupid to have done things right and they just forget that maybe the problem is in the SOURCE ! I know what a bootable image usually looks like... but neither of those I downloaded look right. Seeing as only last Thursday I downloaded a 4.5 i386 CD, burnt it using Infrarecorder (Windows) and booted it without any problems you might see why some people are a little doubtful of your claims, particularly as you seem all too ready to run back to FreeBSD. If this is a troll, it's a very poor one. Still, if you have some weirdly quirky hardware, there's still the boot floppies or netbooting bsd.rd. All of those work well and you should try them if the CD fails. It's also possible to stick it on USB flash, or boot up a VM and run the CD or any of the alternative methods in that. Those will all prove it boots with little problem and that we don't need to hack the bootloader on with a very small magnet. If the downloaded image looked 'odd' you should check out SGI boot CDs (for any OS) - now *that's* odd. PK
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Temper, temper. If anyone had taken seriously all the problems and hormanure I have had to put up with for the last two they would have either gone out and done something stupid to someone else or to themselves... I have to vent my frustrations somewhere and whatever got in the way was a target... lucky I'm a peacful guy but I sure don't like some of the shit I've been putting up with, especially recently. I just can't believe this absurdly stupid lg dvd drive not booting... it writes the dvds allright, but why the hell doesn't it read or boot from them? I'll know tomorrow when I return the damned thing. -Marcus Watts Is that an apology for your obnoxious behavior (in your very first misc@ thread, I might add)? We all have had trouble at one time or another and if you would have opened up about what you've done and with what, you may have gotten more help. You stil have yet to provide answers to many of the basic, help-inducing questions that have been asked. I hope you provide more info tomorrow (after you've rested and calmed down), so that we can get our situation under control. -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
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On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 07:25:25PM -0500, neal hogan wrote: Temper, temper. If anyone had taken seriously all the problems and hormanure I have had to put up with for the last two they would have either gone out and done something stupid to someone else or to themselves... I have to vent my frustrations somewhere and whatever got in the way was a target... lucky I'm a peacful guy but I sure don't like some of the shit I've been putting up with, especially recently. I just can't believe this absurdly stupid lg dvd drive not booting... it writes the dvds allright, but why the hell doesn't it read or boot from them? I'll know tomorrow when I return the damned thing. -Marcus Watts Is that an apology for your obnoxious behavior (in your very first misc@ thread, I might add)? We all have had trouble at one time or another and if you would have opened up about what you've done and with what, you may have gotten more help. You stil have yet to provide answers to many of the basic, help-inducing questions that have been asked. I hope you provide more info tomorrow (after you've rested and calmed down), so that we can get our situation under control. Just today I was explaining to a friend why recommending an OS is almost always a bad idea. Especially OpenBSD. If it's the right system for them, they'll usually find it on their own. Nobody here wants (or deserves) this sort of unprovoked nonsense. The OpenBSD community is a very fun and helpful bunch. But we're not good at suffering fools or assholes. -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net/
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The OpenBSD community is a very fun and helpful bunch. But we're not good at suffering fools or assholes. Oh come now... we are very good at making fools and assholes suffer.
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I saw your post on that list, and I knew he was coming, so I shipped out a broken snapshot to cause him harm, on purpose. Be sure to let us know if it i being reccommended on freebsd or linux lists in the next week and we filesystem developers will try to make sure the tree is well and truly broken, (on purpose, to screw with people who can then say how wonderful their other os is, of course).
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PJ wrote: This is a great start for a new system. Temper, temper. If anyone had taken seriously all the problems and hormanure I have had to put up with for the last two they would have either gone out and done something stupid to someone else or to themselves... I have to vent my frustrations somewhere and whatever got in the way was a target... lucky I'm a peacful guy but I sure don't like some of the shit I've been putting up with, especially recently. I just can't believe this absurdly stupid lg dvd drive not booting... it writes the dvds allright, but why the hell doesn't it read or boot from them? I'll know tomorrow when I return the damned thing. -Marcus Watts It's a good thing misc@ is here to provide you with free counseling service, all the technical talk is just filler. Cleaning the horseshit out of one's ears (eyes?) and listening to good advice is also a good way to avoid the frustration in the first place. Just for fun I downloaded ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/4.5/i386/install45.iso, burned it to a cd and tried to boot it. It came up with some crazy message about conversion to baby mulching machine initiated I got scared cause I got like 20 gypsy babies in cages behind my desk and they're worth like $2k US apiece! I hit the breaker just in time to save the babies but my machine is ruined. Now it's only good for peeing on. Hmm PJ, maybe you got a point. -noah
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On Wednesday 05 August 2009 20:40:50 Theo de Raadt wrote: The OpenBSD community is a very fun and helpful bunch. But we're not good at suffering fools or assholes. Oh come now... we are very good at making fools and assholes suffer. What I want to know is why we haven't heard from Grumpy about this... --STeve Andre'
