Re: [Mpls] What's missing?
I hope someone has kept the string of What's Missing? Wo should put it into a little book and write it as the History of Minneapolis as seen by Minneapolis E-Democracy. Not being born or raised here I have appreciated learning tons and tons of stuff that I have only vaguely heard of. This has been a really incredibly wonderful string. Maybe we could sell it to the schools for History class or at least have it a Cocktail Table Pamphlet. Appreciate hearing of all of your old haunts. Annie Young Ward 6, East Phillips If there is to be any peace it will come through being, not having. - Miller ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] What's missing?
Wow,pink men's underwear? How long ago was that? Also, I remember when we used to have the Minneapolis high school football previews at Parade Stadium over near the Walker Art Museum. Each school would play a quarter, and the cheerleaders had a great time as well. I remember when the Head Start building on 42nd and 4th Avenue used to be Regina High School. I remember going to a grade school in my own neighborhood before "the great love affair with busing began," therefore going to school in the daylight hours instead of in the dark before the rooster began crowing. I remember as a child going to FREE park activities, and at other down times using my imagination. I don't recall being bored like kids are today. We lived in the B.C. era (Before Computer). Pamela Taylor --- Andy Driscoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Munsingwear. > > Consider it mentioned. :-) > > I modeled their underwear - live on a runway in > their building - at age 28 - > for buyers from every city in the world. Some pretty > wild stuff - pinks, > etc. - for men. > > Of course we could keep the garments (probably the > law), but so avant garde > one barely dared wearing them in other company. > > Big time outfit, Munsingwear. Anyone know what put > them out of business? > > Man, this was a long time ago! > > Andy Driscoll > Saint Paul > -- > "The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those > who, in times of > moral crisis, remain neutral" --Dante > > > From: "Pamela Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:25:29 -0800 (PST) > > To: "Jack Kryst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Minneapolis > Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [Mpls] What's missing? > > > > Has anyone mentioned Munsingwear? It is now the > site > > of International Market Square. I used to buy > fabric > > there. > > > > Pamela Taylor > > > > --- Jack Kryst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Has anyone mentioned: > >> > >> The donkey on Nicollet Island.(Whose name I've > >> forgotten. Marj Rolland, are > >> you listening?) > >> > >> Catching a train from downtown. > >> > >> Dollar movies at the Boulevard. > >> > >> Pracna on Main before St. Anthony Main. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic > >> Discussion - Mn E-Democracy > >> Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: > >> http://e-democracy.org/mpls > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals > > http://personals.yahoo.com > > ___ > > Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic > Discussion - Mn E-Democracy > > Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: > > http://e-democracy.org/mpls > > > > ___ > Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic > Discussion - Mn E-Democracy > Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: > http://e-democracy.org/mpls __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Fwd: [Mpls] Riverview site
I invited polite rebuttal of my remarks below and got none. Most all I have read regarding this issue on the List is the equivalent of flag waving to me. So I ask, please tell me how I err in my posting below? Fran, Dean, other naturalists? In a message dated 11/15/01 12:09:18 AM Central Standard Time, PennBroKeith writes: << Keith says: I am a MB of the West Broadway Area Coalition (WBAC). Our board consists of Neighborhood group leaders, educators on our avenue, business owners (including Mr. Baylor of J A D T ), social service providers and others. Our Board's goal is the best outcome for our challenged and deteriorated Avenue. Our board knows well that the Avenue and the adjacent neighborhoods will define and support each other. One can't succeed without the other. Believe it or not we also have standards. Among our standards and goals is to have "defensible space". Beauty is not enough if a particular space is remote and it's "ownership" undefined, and there is nobody watching to see whom is doing what, and to whom or what etc. On West Broadway we call it "eyes on the street" development and it is to be quite different then suburban style development. In the matter of the Riverview Supper Club site, I believe it arguable that having the housing development adjacent to the new park site will serve park visitors well. As an example (you decide how similar) I offer up Wirth Parkway. This stunningly beautiful and wild parkway area, over the last 20 or so years that I have enjoyed it, has been relatively deserted. Virtually abandoned, in so many ways, as a recreational and naturally scenic destination because Mom, dad and the kids didn't feel safe enough, nor did groups of women, and certainly not single women (alone). Please picture people tripping over each other on south parkways, trails and paths that are no more nor less beautiful, just more visited and crowded, and abutted by housing. People will go places to recreate, have fun and gather as long as they feel safe. This mixed use of the site will add to safety, and hence usefulness. People in a park must feel safe enough that they stop, for the moment, from thinking and worrying about safety. Then they will come, and come back. My humble opinion, I am not shouting and welcome other points of view on this. Keith Reitman, Someday I'll see you on West Broadway or at the park, Near North >> --- Begin Message --- In a message dated 11/14/01 5:17:34 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << While I very much appreciate that people are upset over the process involved at the Z & P meeting. While I appreciate that many hours have been spent by many people to design a comprehensive plan for the upper river. And while it is true that JADT bought the Riverview site knowing they would have to ask for a zoning change and were taking their chances. All that being said, I feel that high-end housing is a good use for the land, and our city government should not go around discouraging private development by persons with money in hand who are not asking for a handout. Throughout the history of any city, Minneapolis included, there will have been any number of idealized plans with grand visions for land use >> Keith says: I am a MB of the West Broadway Area Coalition (WBAC). Our board consists of Neighborhood group leaders, educators on our avenue, business owners (including Mr. Baylor of J A D T ), social service providers and others. Our Board's goal is the best outcome for our challenged and deteriorated Avenue. Our board knows well that the Avenue and the adjacent neighborhoods will define and support each other. One can't succeed without the other. Believe it or not we also have standards. Among our standards and goals is to have "defensible space". Beauty is not enough if a particular space is remote and it's "ownership" undefined, and there is nobody watching to see whom is doing what, and to whom or what etc. On West Broadway we call it "eyes on the street" development and it is to be quite different then suburban style development. In the matter of the Riverview Supper Club site, I believe it arguable that having the housing development adjacent to the new park site will serve park visitors well. As an example (you decide how similar) I offer up Wirth Parkway. This stunningly beautiful and wild parkway area, over the last 20 or so years that I have enjoyed it, has been relatively deserted. Virtually abandoned, in so many ways, as a recreational and naturally scenic destination because Mom, dad and the kids didn't feel safe enough, nor did groups of women, and certainly not single women (alone). Please picture people tripping over each other on south parkways, trails and paths that are no more nor less beautiful, just more visit
Re: [Mpls] What's missing?
Munsingwear. Consider it mentioned. :-) I modeled their underwear - live on a runway in their building - at age 28 - for buyers from every city in the world. Some pretty wild stuff - pinks, etc. - for men. Of course we could keep the garments (probably the law), but so avant garde one barely dared wearing them in other company. Big time outfit, Munsingwear. Anyone know what put them out of business? Man, this was a long time ago! Andy Driscoll Saint Paul -- "The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who, in times of moral crisis, remain neutral" --Dante > From: "Pamela Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:25:29 -0800 (PST) > To: "Jack Kryst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Minneapolis Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Mpls] What's missing? > > Has anyone mentioned Munsingwear? It is now the site > of International Market Square. I used to buy fabric > there. > > Pamela Taylor > > --- Jack Kryst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Has anyone mentioned: >> >> The donkey on Nicollet Island.(Whose name I've >> forgotten. Marj Rolland, are >> you listening?) >> >> Catching a train from downtown. >> >> Dollar movies at the Boulevard. >> >> Pracna on Main before St. Anthony Main. >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic >> Discussion - Mn E-Democracy >> Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: >> http://e-democracy.org/mpls > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals > http://personals.yahoo.com > ___ > Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy > Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: > http://e-democracy.org/mpls > ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] What's Missing
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Re: [Mpls] What's missing?
Has anyone mentioned Munsingwear? It is now the site of International Market Square. I used to buy fabric there. Pamela Taylor --- Jack Kryst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has anyone mentioned: > > The donkey on Nicollet Island.(Whose name I've > forgotten. Marj Rolland, are > you listening?) > > Catching a train from downtown. > > Dollar movies at the Boulevard. > > Pracna on Main before St. Anthony Main. > > > > > ___ > Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic > Discussion - Mn E-Democracy > Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: > http://e-democracy.org/mpls __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] What's missing?
Has anyone mentioned: The donkey on Nicollet Island.(Whose name I've forgotten. Marj Rolland, are you listening?) Catching a train from downtown. Dollar movies at the Boulevard. Pracna on Main before St. Anthony Main. ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Housing demolition moratorium(&investor perdition)
In a message dated 11/16/01 11:47:26 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Other issues: a few folks have suggested that the moratorium would affect currently occupied "problem" properties in that it would not demolish those quickly enough. I have trouble with that jump--that is, the oft-stated solution to a problem property (that is occupied) is to demo it. There are other alternatives, plus a moratorium now would not affect such occupied properties. In addition, we have to engage lenders in some of these discussions. Lenders have absolutely no interest in a building's occupancy once they foreclose--they would rather the building sit empty, shut off the water, etc., until it is sold. We need incentives for lenders to maintain the building as an occupied building after foreclosure and to work to get it sold quickly rather then letting it sit empty and possibly decline further. Gregory Luce North Phillips (but writing from outside of Boston, where the average one bedroom is about $1200) >> Rebuttal: Keith says, Lenders have absolutely EVERY interest in a building's occupancy after they foreclose. Why would a lender left holding the debt for a property a borrower ran from want "...the building ...(to)sit empty, ...(to)shut off the water, etc., until it is sold(?)"Water shut off and abandonment leads to board up, break in, arson, freeze damage, and many other perils that lead to condemnation, speedy depreciation of lenders collateral and possibly a vacant lot/total loss. I do presume this type of outcome more likely in North Phillips then Kenwood but I haven't seen to many abandoned sites in Kenwood lately. ALSO, says Mr. Luce, "...the oft stated solution to a problem property is to demo it. There are other alternatives..." Yes, indeed there are Mr. Luce, and we property OWNERS wish to explore all of them to preserve our rights and our small business investments. Some of us may take a deep breath and clench our fists when we think of all the challenges we face to keep order in a building. We may face a criminally insane tenant or tenant guest, an uncaring or hostile CCP?SAFE office, a hostile council member or neighborhood group or "activist", bullying Legal Aid attorneys or small claims court judges who think the poorest person should prevail. And finally, some of us may face a crafty or conniving, tenant remedies group with a desire to take someone's building, equity, or cash-flow thru manipulation of the law, Minn.504 stat. or other legal manipulations. Such a group may be financed with NRP money, grants from foundations, pro bono legal services, and other monies to out gun a small businessman already under siege and under capitalized and unable to utilize his legal remedies Quick enough. At the end of the day, the disinvestment caused by these types of perdition may cause a further loss of affordable housing and a more unstable neighborhood. Keith Reitman, let's work together to solve problems, Near North ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] What is missing?
Just catching up so pardon if repeats Dave Moore Forum Cafeteria (interior, not the food) Sibley Tea House (not Minneapolis but so cool) Rope swing on Nicollet Island Swimming in the river claw foot tubs as party furniture on Nicollet Island Elephant in Daytons childrens department (parents routinely left their kids to play alone while they shopped, Southdale had a play area as well.. ah innocence) Lisa Kugler Tangletown ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Sabri in the news again
I caught the 6:00 'CCO broadcast, and have to say Sabri is reaching new levels of idiocy. He's trying to claim that a part of the FBI tapes where he basically threatens to not pay Herron his fee and build something else means that the motel was not his idea. He went on to claim that it was Herron's idea, and Urban Ventures, and that you could "ask anyone, they will tell you that (Sabri) has always been against a motel". Well, a while back I sorted through some of the archives of this list, and Sabri was anything BUT against a motel. His motel-mania is what made him break laws trying at all cost to get approval. It's time for Sabri to stop blaming his own bad conduct and lawlessness on others. He's done plenty enough to damage the African American community already, he needs to give it a rest and for once admit he's wrong! Doubt he will though, he just keeps on making up crap so people who want to believe it will have something to cling to. Steve Brandt's article was good, but I bet most of the money he got from "family" won't be used to pay the contractors - who wants to bet that most won't get their money? EVERY other project has meant a lot of small time guys got stiffed by Sabri - check out his public record. I wonder what Wizard Marks thinks of all of this, since she was friends with both Herron & Sabri she'll have an interesting take on it. What does Wizard think? Eric Fyksen 8th Ward __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Housing Codes & "Smart Codes"
Gregory Luce writes on smart codes and condemned housing rehab - Original Message - From: Gregory Luce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [much deleted text] [T]he city issued a list of required repairs, all of > which I've listed at the end of this e-mail. The list is unusual only in > the sense that it really is not as extensive as most that accompany > properties that are vacant and boarded. Except in very few instances, > the text describing the repair needed is the exact text provided by the > inspector. I encourage you to read through some of them to think about > what is now required for this property. I'm a handyman/carpenter by profession, so I'm familiar with some of these issues. I'll try to comment with an eye toward how "smart codes" might facilitate rehab and reoccupancy in a way that's not cost prohibitive: > Repairs Required > Building Inspection > > 1 Raise grade around building for positive drainage > 2 Repair or replace uneven sidewalk > 3 Tuck point chimney and foundation > 4 Tear off and re-roof house and garage to code > 5 Make correction to exterior steps to provide rise and run to code > 6 Repair broken basement windows and maintain ventilation requirement by > keeping windows openable > 7 Replace rotted and broken roof decking (mostly around chimney) > 8 Provide exterior and interior handrails (in reach) at all steps and > stairways. Provide guardrails around all landings that are more than 30" > above grade, including along open side of basement stairs > 9 Provide smoke detectors on every level and in every bedroom Out of this whole list, the most important things are roof repair (from a structural standpoint) and smoke detectors (from a safety standpoint). The other repairs on this list (steps, handrails, grading, tuckpointing) really shouldn't prevent re-occupancy of a solid building, though they should be dealt with eventually in order to make the building more safe, and to prevent potential structural damage (wet foundation, weakening brickwork, etc.) > Plumbing Inspection > > 10 Water Service: Bring meter and valves up to code > 11 Water Piping: Bring all water piping up to code and sizing--back to > water meter > 12 Gas Piping: Bring all gas piping up to code and proper sizing > 13 Waste & Vents: Bring all waste and vent up to code > 14 Floor drains: locate and bring up to code > 15 Laundry tray: make workable, bring up to code > 16 Water Heater: Bring water heater up to code; make workable > 17 Washer: Legal hookup > 18 Dryer: Gas and vent legal hookup > 19 Kitchen sink: bring up to code and make workable > 20 Gas range: if gas, install to proper size and install code valve > 21 Bathroom water closet: new closet; bring up to code > 22 Bathtub: code faucet and bring up to code > 23 Basin: bring up to code I'm not a plumber. I think Mr. Luce commented that these guidelines are really vague. I agree. Unless the inspector saw potential for sewer gas backup, or pipes that were so badly corroded that they were in danger of bursting, I don't believe that simply having older plumbing should be an obstacle to occupying this house safely. Consider the cost of this: not only would you have to replumb the entire house (waste and supply lines from and to the meter/street), you'd also be ripping out and reinstalling plaster/wallboard and structural framing members throughout the house. Gas line hookups are also incredibly important -- perhaps a CO detector requirement near each gas burning appliance would be a reasonable requirement. > Electrical Inspection > > 24 Basement: ground service to requirements of the 1999 National > Electric Code; install a ceiling light in northeast room of basement Safe electrical service is important. > 25 First Floor Living Room: install a paddle fan box for support of the > paddle fan or install a conventional light fixture > 26 Kitchen: install a grounding type receptacle for the stove area > 27 Northwest bedroom: add one wall receptacle > 28 Bathroom: remove swag light fixture and install a conventional wall > mounted fixture > 29 Attic area: install a light fixture for the ceiling box or install a > blank cover for the box I'm also not an electrician. But all the stuff above is minor, and seems reasonable and relatively inexpensive. > 30 Garage: wiring to meet code or remove all wiring to it and in it If the wiring is genuinely dangerous, this is valid. If it's not, and this house is in a neighborhood where you might want a motion detector or security lights, or if the owner wants/needs an electric garage door opener, maybe this needn't be a requirement for reoccupancy. > 31 Repair or replace all broken or missing switches, receptacles, light > fixtures, fixture glass, paddle fans and wall plates > Cheap, do it yourself commonsense stuff. > MWA Inspection > > 32 Replace or repair all damaged duct in the basement > 33 Replace or repair damaged return grilles > 34 All supply air registers must have operable dampers > > Gas and Furnace
[Mpls] TAngletown1-0809
For nostalgic purposes, I can still be reached at RAndolf4-9303. Even better if dialed from a rotary phone. I hope Coldwater spring doesn't make a future "[MPLS] What's Missing?" list. I miss Canon, Ma Linger, Backlash Larue and Morgan Mundane. I had a theory that Morgan was played by Peter Falk - T.V.'s Lieutenant Colombo. Morgan had a penchant for carrying items in a paper bag, so did Columbo. Morgan and Peter (Columbo) both have smoky "macho" voices. Morgan disarmed people with his seemingly sub par intellect, Columbo tricked haughty crooks into confessing to awful deeds with his disarming "dumb" act too. And finally, had anyone ever seen Peter Falk walking the streets of Hollywood during Canon's afternoon show? Of course not! Because he was in WCCO with Steve-o playing the part of Morgan Mundane! Case closed! Dean Lindberg Minnehaha (RAndolf exchange) Tim Connolly writes, of the missing: > > Seven digit alpha-numerica phone numbers As a Chicago transplant, I'll always remember HUdson3-2700 from endless late night movie commercials. ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Computer lesson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 16 November 2001 03:31 pm, Robert Schmid wrote: > [on Friday 16 November 2001 03:07 pm, Heather Martens wrote:] > > differences. First, drawing with a drawing program involves using a > > mouse. A mouse is a rather blunt instrument. Six-year-olds can draw > > with it, but what they produce looks like what a three-year-old could > > do with a crayon. Still, we print it out and make a fuss over it as if > I'm not an artist but I have opposing thoughts on this. On the one hand, > I can't draw without a computer. I can do SOME visual art with a > computer. (FYI: I am biased. I have a BFA for which I did a lot of computer-aided art. I may give computers or art or both too much credit. *grin*) Most artists working on computers use a stylus designed to be pressure sensitive and to mimic some hybrid of real world pens, pencils, markers, etc. I don't think children should be using a mouse to draw on a computer. I do, however, think computers can form a valuable part of an art curriculum. Digital cameras allow dangerous chemicals to be avoided yet still to learn about photography (an equal opportunity art form in many respects)-- and more importantly visual self-expression. Plus computers make great photo labs, the effects are widely varied and mistakes can be corrected without wasting more than a few electrons. Also, computers make great typesetting and layout machines. This can be useful to incorporate artwork with text and such. What else can be done? The idea bin runneth over... > > But during my school tours last year, I found that computer use is not > > left up to the teachers. Computer time is a scheduled part of the week, > Well, this is part of an overall problem of trying to dictate curriculum But there must be some guidelines and if one of those guidelines includes computer use (which I support personally), then so be it. Once keyboarding skills have been taught (tough with smaller hands, but a good thing to have as early as possible), given a writing assignment in regular class, it is certainly better to have the student working with a text editor or word processor to produce a paper than to have to write the whole thing longhand. Oh, I suppose penmanship will suffer, but I'd like to see empirical evidence before I worry too much about that. I'd much rather see kids have the ability to make two prints of their work, to learn early on how to edit their work, etc. > limited. It would be interesting to try your experiment again with an > object-oriented language and really robust component library. - Heck, try > using Lego mindstorms, you'll accomplish a similar objective with > potentially interesting effects. Mindstorms are not a bad idea. I've read some success stories with those and there is at least one Minnesota enthusiast organization (they had a booth in the Tech bldg at the Fair). The specifics of a programming class I would leave to the person teaching, and are highly dependent on age of the students (who probably need to be 4th or 5th grade at least, just to have mastered some of the math and logic skills that are inherent in programming). - -Michael Libby (Cleveland Neighborhood/"Over North") - -- = | My Public Key available from: keys.pgp.com | or http://www.ichimunki.com/public.key | | Its Fingerprint | D946 FE20 79EE 2109 161B FAFB E029 56F4 A330 AA73 = -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE79bWG4ClW9KMwqnMRAgPgAJ9pOVFYYaMAV57HB3KVvS/avJ0+4wCfdW1t s67Wi7lEZyC61bEaRPi01vI= =dyba -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] TAngletown1-0809
Tim Connolly writes, of the missing: > cobblestoned streets > granite pavers on streets instead of everyones gardens At least these are being recycled, and not scrapped! I'm proud to have old Nicollet Av. cobbles in our yard... > > Seven digit alpha-numerica phone numbers As a Chicago transplant, I'll always remember HUdson3-2700 from endless late night movie commercials. Here's some suggestions for Minneapolis exchanges (since I'm not from here and not old enough to remember the originals): 82x- southwest Mpls, uptown, etc: TAngletown or TAkeoff (for under the flight path), TAttoo (for uptown). TAgger (for all our commercial buildings and alleys) 72x- south Mpls, Hiawatha to river or so: PArkway (along the creek), SCandinavia, SCavenger (for the Green Institute) 34x- downtown: FInance (obviously) 67x- city hall: OPportunity, OPinion, OPen 78x- Northeast: STan or PUlaski (nods to Polish culture) Too bad we don't have a PEnnsylvania6-5000.. Mike McAneney Ward 11 ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Calling all campaigns!
Calling All Campaigns! Lawnsigns for the following campaigns have been mistakenly dropped off at the Rybak for Mayor campaign office during last weeks lawnsign collection efforts. Bob Fine Robert Lilligren Kathy Kosnoff Ross Taylor Rod Krueger Traci Scott Patrick Peterson Doug Kress I Believe Nurses Michael Sumner Shada Buyobe Hammond Dave Ramstad Tracy Nordstrom These signs can be picked up from the offices parking lot (2429 Nicollet Av S) at any time. Laura Sether Co-Campaign Manager StandishDo You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals.
Re: [Mpls] Billy Graham leaving Loring Park
I suppose the relocation of the Bill Graham Assn. was inevitable. However, it is disturbing when Minneapolis loses an employer of 400+ people. According to the article in the paper, it would appear that the historic designation prompted them to move earlier than they expected. I would be curious to know if the Loring people had any idea that their designation request would lead to the loss of this employer? Were they are part of the decision process? Karen Collier Linden Hills
Re: [Mpls] Sabri in the news again
At 04:35 PM 11/16/01 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >In case anyone missed the Star Tribune piece on Sabri - > >http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/833070.html I thought this part was vintage Sabri: <> The article also mentions that CM Lilligren was surprised by this and wanted details. Piehl continues: >Also, I hear WCCO will be featuring a story tonight at 6:00 on Sabri's latest >defense, that it was "all Herron's idea". > Whatever. I have to say this about Sabri -- he makes good copy. As does Brian Herron. Eva Eva Young Central ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Billy Graham leaving Loring Park
Message: 14 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:54:59 -0600 From: "Citizens for a Loring Park Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Billy Graham leaving Loring Park -Original Message- From: Jim Berg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 11:15 AM To: Issues Mpls Subject: [Mpls] Billy Graham to Leave Loring Park Area This topic will be taken up by the Land Use Committee of Loring Park Neighborhood (CLPC) on Monday, Nov. 26th (NOTE correction from 1st post - sorry) at 6:30 p.m. at the Loring Park Office Buildings; 430 Oak Grove. The committee meeting will be chaired by Kim Havey. Any interested folks are invited to participate. Billy Graham buildings are located in the newly historically designated Harmon Auto District.. so many of the buildings have high ceilings and a warehouse district feel to them. Thanks for the interest. Jana L. Metge/CLPC Executive Coordinator ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] what's missing?
Oops! Almost forgot. Republican officeholders! At least openly republican! Tim Connolly Ward 7 __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] What's missing?
Other missing food co-ops: Powderhorn (now coffee shop at 35th & Bloomington) one at NW corner of 26th & Bloomington another at SW corner of 27th St. & 1st Ave. Downtown hardware store where Multifood/33 S. 6th St. bldg is now Mama Rosa's (across from Triangle Bar) South of the Border (Lake & Hennepin) Silver Dollar Saloon (where McD's now is at 35W & Lake) Redeye Saloon (11th Ave S & Washington area) Home Bar (now Rudolph's BBQ) Venice Cafe next to Asuka Joe Houle's Duffy's & Mr Nibs (probably not missed by Seward folks) Duff's Crystal Mist (a downtown bar, not a drug) Late night taconite industry ads on TV (oops, never mind, I watched those from St. Paul) Whole Coffeehouse in sub-basement of Coffman (maybe still exists?) Being able to find free on-street parking near the U The time, freedom & energy to frequent the type of places listed above Bill Tetzlaff Kingfield/MCDA ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] What's missing?
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[Mpls] Sabri in the news again
In case anyone missed the Star Tribune piece on Sabri - http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/833070.html Also, I hear WCCO will be featuring a story tonight at 6:00 on Sabri's latest defense, that it was "all Herron's idea". David Piehl 8th Ward/Central __ The information contained in this message is private and confidential information which may also be subject to the attorney-client privilege and work product doctrine. This information is intended only for the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the message. Thank you. ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] What's missing?
The Bottleneck where Lyndale and Hennepin crisscrossed and everything about the area from the Toddle House to the Rose Gardens to the old Walker Art Center(its 2nd incarnation I believe) to Tom Lowry's statue, Downtown Chevy, The Kenwood(residential) and Park Place Hotels and on and on. West High School and Douglas Elementary The William Hood Dunwoody mansion atop Lowry Hill cobblestoned streets granite pavers on streets instead of everyones gardens To Jenny Heiser the first Japanese restaurant in Mpls was ASUKA on 7th Street between the Academy and World Theatres. At least that's the first place I recall. How about the 620 Club with a sign showing a steaming turkey in the window and the words "Where Turkey is King." I fondly recall the Main Street Grill across from B.F. Nelson where Marshall split off from Main. There was an old ragpicker named Louis Wittles who had a stake bed truck and who had a gimpy leg. Nobody has mentioned the Minneapolis Arena at the site of the current Uptown Rainbow store where we went to skate on Sunday afternoons in the late fall before the lakes froze over. Anyone remember hockey games between the Saints and the Millers. The sight of stitches on the shaved side of a Saint named Bailey's head that looked like a zipper is as vivid in my mind as the day I saw it. How about Minneapolis Moline on Lake Street? The Washington Avenue viaduct which forever claimed too high truck trailers and over-imbibing drivers. Seven digit alpha-numerica phone numbers Hundreds of neighborhood drugstores to hang at and even more small groceries that delivered, home delivery from Dayton's of a toaster Service Stations where they fixed cars and helped with wiper blades instead of selling cigarettes and soda. The Chicago Northwestern roundhouse and cabooses from which to steal flares Old arching streetlights like the one still situated at Oliver Place and Penn Ave off Kenwood Parkway Mr Lucky's at Lake and Nicollet Marigold Ballroom Blue Laws misspent youth I feel blessed. I would also guess there are more than a few in this city who have completely different perceptions. Minneapolis was a great city but it wasn't necessarily so for everyone. Cheers! Tim Connolly Ward 7 __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] What's missing from What's missing?
Did anyone mention yet ... The West Bank's Coffeehouse Extempore (restaurant/music hall/more??) Were in Mpls, moved to St. Paul: U of M Centennial Showboat Minnesota Children's Museum Lawson Software Tulips restaurant Chris Steller Nicollet Island-East Bank neighborhood ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] RE: What's Missing
I know it's still there in an expanded version, but does anyone besides me remember the Mudpie Restaurant on Lyndale Avenue back when it first opened in the mid-70's? The first time I ate there, I sat at the counter and was served a bowl of split pea soup by a waiter who was terrifyingly thin. Valerie Powers Ward 10 ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] What's missing?
Then there was the original Peter's Grill on 9th Street. They had the oldest, toughest waitresses I've ever encountered. And that dark green feeling of the place, the sort of ambiance that only decades of dust can produce. Rosalind Nelson Bancroft ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Billy Graham leaving Loring Park
-Original Message- From: Jim Berg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 11:15 AM To: Issues Mpls Subject: [Mpls] Billy Graham to Leave Loring Park Area This topic will be taken up by the Land Use Committee of Loring Park Neighborhood (CLPC) on Monday, Nov. 16th at 6:30 p.m. at the Loring Park Office Buildings; 430 Oak Grove. The committee meeting will be chaired by Kim Havey. Any interested folks are invited to participate. Following a conversation with Ruth from Councilmember Goodman's office, it appears that they bought some 60 acres in the south and plan on relocating in a few years. Billy Graham buildings are located in the newly historically designated Harmon Auto District.. so many of the buildings have high ceilings and a warehouse district feel to them. Thanks for the interest. Jana L. Metge/CLPC Executive Coordinator ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] What is missing? - Nankin
Several people have mentioned missing the Nankin restaurant in downtown Minneapolis. Well that is gone, the cook & some other employees are still working in Minneapolis. They are at the Red Dragon Restaurant, at 2116 Lyndale Ave South, just across from the Wedge co-op ( phone 612-874-8877). And they are still using many of the same recipes, so you can still get the Nankin food. Just ask for the Nankin chow mein, and the waitress will know exactly what you mean. I went there with an 88-year old friend, who tracked them down. She says she has been going to the Nankin since she was a little girl, at several locations. She still likes that food, and says it still tastes the same at the Red Dragon now. But of course, the atmosphere is quite different down on Lyndale instead of downtown. ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Computer lesson
> differences. First, drawing with a drawing program involves using a > mouse. A mouse is a rather blunt instrument. Six-year-olds can draw > with it, but what they produce looks like what a three-year-old could > do with a crayon. Still, we print it out and make a fuss over it as if > it were better than anything they could do themselves with actual art > supplies. I'd rather have my kids learn that what they create with > their own hands is worthwhile in its own right. I'd also rather have > young children working with three-dimensional, physical art supplies > that have texture. But that's just me. I'm not an artist but I have opposing thoughts on this. On the one hand, I can't draw without a computer. I can do SOME visual art with a computer. On the other hand you are correct about using the computer prematurely, I believe that you will better develop a young child's sense of art using real tools instead of virtual tools. Art has evolved from the primitive need to imitate real life - most artists, whether they are realists or abstract artists, draw on experience, thus working with real materials creates experience whereas computers don't create that understanding. > But during my school tours last year, I found that computer use is not > left up to the teachers. Computer time is a scheduled part of the week, > whether or not the teacher has an academic objective that s/he believes > can be best achieved with computers. Well, this is part of an overall problem of trying to dictate curriculum from too high a level. If that were possible, the computers would BE the teachers. > > if its newness makes it better. Some new software is useful, but much > of it isn't, and you can't really tell until you've bought it and sunk > The other thing that bothered me during school tours was that so many > principals sounded like sales reps for software companies. The educational environment imitates corporate life... See Dilbert for more information. > > And about teaching programming: I tried to teach programming in Basic > to third graders, believing it was a neat idea. It was a complete waste > of time. They don't think that way yet. I think in setting policy, we > have to bear in mind that children really are children, and that they > have developmental stages. Well, granted - if you are responding to an earlier post of mine, I was really thinking about high school or better. Besides, BASIC is pretty limited. It would be interesting to try your experiment again with an object-oriented language and really robust component library. - Heck, try using Lego mindstorms, you'll accomplish a similar objective with potentially interesting effects. ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Johnson Lee victory causes fallout in Black Leadership on Northside
The Spokesman editorial on the Johnson Lee Victory and Black Leadershop on the Northside states: >But the carrying on since the election has >also been embarrassing -- Bill English, the co-chair of the Coalition of >Black Churches and African American Leadership Summit, was recently quoted >in the "Star Tribune" threatening to bring "legal action" if Johnson Lee >continued to insist that his organization supported Cherryhomes. This is what this is referring to: Bill English, cochairman of Coalition of Black Churches and African American Leadership Summit, said his group remained neutral during the campaign but acknowledged that he personally had pledged to support Cherryhomes before Johnson Lee entered the race more than a year ago. "Bill English made a decision to support a candidate before he knew a black candidate was running. I don't make an apology for that," English said. "But if there is a continued effort on their part to say that organizations supported Jackie, that's going to prompt some legal action on our part, because it's not true." He suggested that Johnson Lee work with everyone to improve the ward. "You never have permanent political enemies. You never have permanent political friends," he said. "You only have permanent political interests." from Cherryhomes victor Johnson Lee overcame powerful forces Mark Brunswick; Star Tribune; Nov 11 2001 === EY: That's certainly true -- however, Bill English is poisoning the well with making heavy handed legal threats against Johnson Lee. If you look up Bill English in the Star Tribune there is also an article that talks about him opposing the "feminists" who were supposedly pushing for McKinley Boston's firing with the cheating scandal at the University of Minnesota. The same group was also defending Clem Haskins. (I thought it interesting that Haskins wasn't fired when it came out that he told women who had been assaulted by basketball players at the University to call him, Haskins rather than calling the police about it.) http://www.startribune.com/stories/512/50131.html It's rather interesting: English expressed anger that about 35 university demonstrators, mostly women, called for Boston's firing. "We understand that feminists have already sent a message to [university President Mark] Yudof that they want [Boston] gone, and they're protesting," he said. "Well, I'm here this morning to say that if they want to declare war, we're prepared to battle, because in this instance, we're not going to permit [Boston] to be run out of town. He's entitled to due process, and we're going to demand it." Nikki Wright, who helped organize Monday's protest on campus, said the issue is violence against women, not race. She said women were not adequately represented at Tuesday's forum at Lucille's. "The whole thing about black women, and women, period, was ignored today," said Wright, an advocate for victims of violence on campus. "This is not a black and white issue. This is about rape," said Wright EY: All this reminds me of Cherryhomes' bullying tactics against David Strand -- and having her husband threaten to sue Strand if he didn't retract the statements he made on the list -- and not accepting the original appology as enough. What English is really mad about is that he no longer has such an inside track in City Hall any more. Then ofcourse there is that City Pages article that talks about the money trail and the Holman Redevelopment: http://www.citypages.com/databank/22/1086/article9831.asp Another panel, the Community Oversight Committee, is responsible for making sure the city keeps its promise to give priority for Hollman construction jobs to applicants who were displaced during the demolition. Four of that committee's ten members hosted a fundraiser for the council president this past spring: Bobby Jo Champion, former Minnesota assistant attorney general; former state lawmaker Richard Jefferson; Minneapolis Public Housing Authority board member Carol Batsell Benner; and local businessman Bill English. The Spokesman Editorial continues: >Please! What does it matter what Johnson Lee says about who supported who in >the election unless English and others were supporting the big business >agenda rather than the interest of the brothers and sisters struggling to >make it every day. Of course, then we can understand his consternation. >It's time that our Black leadership woke up to the fact that no one can >serve two masters; they will wind up hating one and loving the other. I think the City Pages article made it pretty clear whose agenda Bill English was supporting by supporting Jackie Cherryhomes -- th
Re: [Mpls] What is missing?
Title: Re: [Mpls] What is missing? Does anyone remember Karlos Kaufmanis' "Star of Bethlehem" lecture? Ya know, as far as I know, it was never taped! Ann Berget Kingfield 10-10 Professor Kaufmanis never let anyone tape his lecture, but he did deposit a copy of the script in the University Archives in 1969. He was also interviewed on tape in 1969, where he explained the theory that he discussed in the lectures. Call 612.624-0562, or email Lois Hendrickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] at the Archives if you would like to order a photocopy of the script, or to arrange hearing the interview. Tom -- ** Tom Trow External Relations Phone: 612/ 624-1359 College of Liberal Arts 225 Johnston Hall Fax: 612/ 624-6839 University of Minnesota Mpls., MN 55455 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Mpls] Computer lesson
I can see that I'm going to have trouble keeping up with your posts. I do want to respond to Betts Zerby's post about the first-grade classroom activity she saw. This sort of activity is exactly the type of thing the software sales reps use to get that sense of "gee whiz" going, and I have been susceptible to that myself. But now we get into some philosophical differences. First, drawing with a drawing program involves using a mouse. A mouse is a rather blunt instrument. Six-year-olds can draw with it, but what they produce looks like what a three-year-old could do with a crayon. Still, we print it out and make a fuss over it as if it were better than anything they could do themselves with actual art supplies. I'd rather have my kids learn that what they create with their own hands is worthwhile in its own right. I'd also rather have young children working with three-dimensional, physical art supplies that have texture. But that's just me. It looks as though the teacher in this case had some actual academic objectives, and that's good. If the teacher finds that this lesson helps the kids really "get" using periods at the ends of sentences and spaces between words, then great. In the absence of any research to show whether or not computers work better than other approaches, we need to go with the teacher' s judgment. That's what we hire them for. But during my school tours last year, I found that computer use is not left up to the teachers. Computer time is a scheduled part of the week, whether or not the teacher has an academic objective that s/he believes can be best achieved with computers. If the lesson Betts describes works well, then I hope the teacher can use it for the next 20 years if s/he wants to. But in my experience, teachers generally are pushed to learn about the "newest" software, as if its newness makes it better. Some new software is useful, but much of it isn't, and you can't really tell until you've bought it and sunk the time into learning how to use it. Teachers' time is their most valuable resource, and they should be allowed to spend it on efforts they judge to have a bigger payoff. The other thing that bothered me during school tours was that so many principals sounded like sales reps for software companies. Some were totally certain that computers were the best thing for little kids and had never heard any information to the contrary. I think the district has a responsibility to inform principals that computers are unproven. Principals should not be feeding the public a line that is untrue, in turn feeding the public's desire for computers. I looked for a public school that did not place so much emphasis on computers. There is none, not even the fine arts (!!) magnet near my home. And about teaching programming: I tried to teach programming in Basic to third graders, believing it was a neat idea. It was a complete waste of time. They don't think that way yet. I think in setting policy, we have to bear in mind that children really are children, and that they have developmental stages. Fourth and fifth graders will have trouble using the Internet for self-directed research, in my opinion, because they aren't developmentally ready to figure out what is reliable information and what isn't. That's a pretty high-level critical thinking skill, which doesn't kick in until adolescence. I had to teach seventh graders why "America Online" isn't a "source." Thanks for your thoughts in and outside the forum! Heather Martens Kingfield ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Comedy Central's Let's Bowl Needs Disputes!
Hello Minneapolis Issues: I am writing on behalf of Comedy Central show Lets Bowl that is written and produced in Minnesota. Lets Bowl is a game show that resolves disputes between others through the magic of bowling. The show airs Sunday nights at 9:30 on Comedy Central and has been renewed for a second season. The shows Executive Producers Tim Scott and Rich Kronfeld are interested in an episode that would involve groups resolving. · Democrat versus Republican or Democrat versus Green Party or Republican versus Green Party or Republican versus Independence Party or Democrat versus Independence Party · Pro Union versus Anti-Union · Environmentalist versus Builder/Developer, Construction Worker, Road Builder. · Feminist versus Sexist · NRA versus Gun Control activists · American Car Owner / Dealer versus Foreign Car Owner / Dealer · Tow Truck Driver versus Car Owner, who has been ticketed and towed numerous times. · Optimist versus Pessimist We will be shooting next years shows December 2, 3, 5, 6, 7 at a bowling alley located in Minnesota. Our deadline for booking each episode is November 21, 2001 please responding to our request at your earliest convenience. Thank you for your time and consideration. Please contact me at 952-829-1945 to discuss your possible appearance on the show. Sincerely, Ken Bradley Casting & Contestant Coordinator Comedy Central, Lets Bowl Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals.
Re: [Mpls] minneapolis awards
The Motion Picture Acadamy of America calls there Award the "Oscar" Television calls theirs the "Emmys" Music is the "Grammy" Broadway the "Tony" Starting in the year 2002, I motion that the Minneapolis Award be called "The Laker". The Glass Plaque could be shaped like the map of Minneapolis. Not quite square but very distinctive. Craig A. Miller Winner of the Minneapolis "Laker" 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] What is missing?
The Big Red MTC buses! I remember being in college in Madison, WI when one day one of the red buses was stopped in front of the Union. Ah, I felt like I could jump right on it and be taken home to Minneapolis. I thought it was a shame when they moved to plain old white buses. Cara Letofsky Seward Ward 9 Walt Cygan wrote: > For a lighter side topic: > > I have lived in Minneapolis for 24 years after growing up in Chicago and > going to college in Bloomington, Illinois (Illinois Wesleyan > University). My wife and I were talking at dinner tonight about things > that at one time (10 or more years ago) were defining things about > Minneapolis and the Twin Cities, which are no longer around today. We > came up with the following starter list: > > >> The Weatherball (What did the colors mean?) > >> OFBD (Old Fashioned Bargain Days) at Dayton's > >> Casey Jones and more specifically the Birthday Song (Happy, happy > birthday to every girl and boy...) > >> Burritos at Seven Markets (although I wasn't around for that) > >> Pony rides at Minnehaha Falls > > Additions??? What does this say about how things have changed? > > Walt Cygan (and Karen Stuhlfeier) > 12-5 > Keewaydin > > ___ > Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy > Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: > http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Johnson Lee victory causes fallout in Black Leadership on Northside
Mel Reeves Editor Minnesota Spokesman-Recorder >From the Minnesota Spokesman/Recorder "Our Perspective" 11/15/2001 The crisis of Black leadership The recent election of Natalie Johnson Lee exposed the fact that there are differences in the ranks among the leaders of the Black community in Minneapolis. One of the problems the election highlighted was that the leadership and much of the Black community -- which is overwhelmingly working class -- have different agendas, or at the very least the working class agenda isn't attended to as vigorously as it should be. It also raises the question of how people become perceived as opinion leaders in our community. Obviously no formal process takes place, and it seems that sometimes the folks with the most backbone and the most moxy step out front and take the ball and run with it. But who chooses the leadership in our community is an interesting question because it appears that the Black community doesn't always do its own choosing. In fact, some of these leaders are just plain self-appointed. Oftentimes in years past the system used to choose certain acceptable Negroes to lead our community, Negroes who they had no fear would seriously stir the pot because they were financially beholden to city hall. In the Twin Cities, too much praise from the big business dailies can be a telltale sign that the particular leader is too close to the enemy. But one of the biggest problems is that too often the Black leadership is seen talking out of both sides of its mouth or trying to compromise with an uncompromising system that repeatedly works against Blacks. We're not saying that's what's happening in our community, but something just wasn't right about the way Natalie Johnson-Lee's city council campaign was handled. Let us be clear: Johnson-Lee wasn't the best candidate because she was Black, but because she had the right agenda and platform. She favored the little people over the big business folks that Cherryhomes was making comfortable with carving up the Near Northside. One source recounted to us how they personally witnessed a Northside minister who is considered a leader in the African American community making fun of Johnson-Lee and letting it be known that he clearly supported the other candidate. There were other rumors of nastiness tossed Johnson-Lee's way during the election that we won't mention because it is not our intention to embarrass anyone. But the carrying on since the election has also been embarrassing -- Bill English, the co-chair of the Coalition of Black Churches and African American Leadership Summit, was recently quoted in the "Star Tribune" threatening to bring "legal action" if Johnson Lee continued to insist that his organization supported Cherryhomes. Please! What does it matter what Johnson Lee says about who supported who in the election unless English and others were supporting the big business agenda rather than the interest of the brothers and sisters struggling to make it every day. Of course, then we can understand his consternation. It's time that our Black leadership woke up to the fact that no one can serve two masters; they will wind up hating one and loving the other. Shawn Lewis Field Neighborhood -- ___ 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http://www.getpennytalk.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] minneapolis awards
I felt the same way. I am so happy that our City makes the effort to recognize outstanding volunteers. Yes, there were technical problems, but really they didn't matter. I prefer to hear from people who nominated the honorees to watching videotape. I think that Vaman Pai and Mary Smalls from the Minneapolis Communications department did a great job. For everyone's information, the Hiawatha extraordinarily accessible playground is located at the intersection of E 42nd Street and 43rd Avenue. The Hiawatha Park and Playground Task Force leveraged roughly $550,000 from $50,000 of Longfellow Community Council NRP funds. At the ceremony, Debra Peterson and Kristi Roedl, the award winners, stated that they hope that everyone engaged in organizing for a school playground take the extra step and work to make sure it exceeds ADA prescribed requirements. Debra and Kristi and the Task Force would love to talk with anyone working to build a playground. They can be reached by calling the Longfellow Community Council at 612-722-4529. Sheila Delaney Lyndale, Ward 10 Mark Wilde wrote: > > Went to the minneapolis awards last night honoring > volunteers who have a real long-term commitment to > helping the city. among others, there was some group > from hiawatha neighborhood who raised money for a > universally accessible playground (i apologize for not > remembering the name), and Richard Little a former > planning commissioner and volunteer in the public > schools. also, Margo Ashmore, a 20 year booster for > northeast and central ave. > > the sound system sucked, and the video presentations > were out of whack, but i felt a lot of pride about > being part of this city. also felt a little nostalgia > already for the mayor, who did the presentations. > > mark wilde > windom park > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals > http://personals.yahoo.com > ___ > Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy > Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: > http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Billy Graham to Leave Loring Park Area
>I heard this story yesterday afternoon on NPR. > >Robert Cooper >Powderhorn Park > >Is it a scoop for the PiPress? > >http://www.pioneerplanet.com/yhoo/mtc_docs/186064.htm > >Jim Berg >Ward 9, Corcoran >Minneapolis - It's in today's StarTribune: http://www.startribune.com/stories/614/831890.html Paul Barber Loring Park ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] What's missing?
I remember when visiting Minneapolis the thrill of eating chow mein at the Forum Cafeteria and what a wonderful, grand place that seemed to a young girl from a small town of 800. I also vaguely remember riding on a street car! I think we used to stay in the Andrews Hotel in downtown Mpls (I hope I'm remembering correctly) where we had the windows open for comfortable sleeping. I stayed awake for a long time, in wonderment, at the 'lightness' of night in a city, the sounds of traffice and of all the horns honking. It was so different from anything I had ever known before that it was exotic; I was entranced.Years later, after I had moved to Mpls. I lived on the West Bank and remember very fondly the daytime dinners of pork roast and mashed potatoes in the Five Corners Bar. Yes, all those small neighborhood bars had full kitchens, and boy, did they turn out the food! I liked them because the old people who constituted the majority of their daytime clientele were so friendly, and because it was the kind of food I had grown up on in rural Minn. Real food! Real people! I learned that the people had lived on the 'flats' most of their lives and for most of their lives had seen very hard times; sparse education, low incomes, heavy labor jobs, horrible flooding of their homes. They had been relatively cut off from the rest of the city (no bridges across the Mississippi in that area then) and had their own Snoose Blvd. culture. Later, when I bartended at the 400, I kept their individual snoose cans (with their names on them) ready for them under the bar. Oh, the stories! They were wonderful! I miss them all. The times, they were a'changing then, and so did their old neighborhood. ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Riverview site
Andy Driscoll wrote: > Citizen advisory groups are a complete sham, no matter what they're > "studying." They're designed to shut us up, and to stop a revolt over the > lack of citizen participation when neighborhoods and democracy are being run > over rough-shod. While I agree they often do not have the impact they should to call them a complete sham is simply not true. The most important thing they do is to create a consensus of opinion between community members. Enough of these community members remain in the community long enough to establish a historical context for the issues at hand. (Witness the 30+ year discussion of Hiawathia avenue). The ability of these individuals to say "the community agreed to ..." sends a strong political message. I think of a certain senator who went contrary to the West River Rd advisory council and tried to force an at grade crossing at Lake. I would also argue that the citizen advisory groups prevented Hiawatha. Ave from becoming a I394. The travesty of the Hwy. 55 reroute was that there was no Citizen Advisory Group that, at least to my knowledge, ever discussed the route beyond the park. O'Yea, one other thing they do is to put a group of individuals with working knowledge of the issue in the community where a well organized community group can distribute their knowledge. Citizens without a specific agenda are much more credible than politicians or their staff. Cheers; -- DeWayne Townsend 3222 39th Ave. S. Minneapolis, MN 55406 612-724-7010 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
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> Tim Bonham wrote: > So before I'm willing to agree that I am "well aware that...", I'd like to > see some figures from David supporting this assertion. For example: > - are demolition permits for past years significantly higher than > previous years? Great questions. The housing demand has virtually eliminated the public demolition of houses in the Longfellow community, houses are being bought for the land to build a new home on. The Longfellow community is a fairly large piece of Minneapolis and if there is no longer public demolition of homes here why is this such a problem elsewhere in Minneapolis. My take is that someone is looking a old numbers and not the current reality. -- DeWayne Townsend 3222 39th Ave. S. Minneapolis, MN 55406 612-724-7010 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Missing?
The donkey on Nicollet Island White Castle belongs on 4th and Central, not where they put it Pressed duck from the Nankin A Jim Klobuchar column to remind you that the world is still a fine/fun place to live, even if it needs a bit of fixing here or there. Barbara Flanigan writing daily or weekly--she still puts a column in the paper about every month or less. The Land 'o Nod gas tank that rose and fell as the gas pressure rose and fell--the sign, too. (and that restaurant about three blocks north from there run by a mom and two daughters that served solid slabs of roast pork or beef, mounds of potatoes and the whole thing swimming in gravy) The Forum Cafeteria The notions department at *Dayton's* "Weather ball red - warmer weather ahead Weather ball white - colder weather in sight Weather ball green - no change forseen Weather ball is blinking white, colder weather and snow in sight Weather ball is blinking red, warmer weather and rain ahead Weather ball is blinking green, no temperature change but rain forseen." The Good Neighbor Award The Brothers borcht Dayton's, Donaldson's, Powers' (especially that book store) Woolworths' ting-a-ling and molassas fluff Popcorn on the Nicollet Mall A tea room (Young-Quinlan?) Papa Kramarczuk Emilie Quast Como ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] re Education Threads (Brauer)
DB writes:"If you could speak in terms of MPS kids, what MPS actually teaches, and things the district can do/change, we'll all be in keeping with list principles." ~It is not possible to discuss the Mpls Public Schools (Special School District #1) without putting it in the context of state law & policy. MPS is not only by far the largest district in the state, it the epicenter of almost every legislative action affecting education policy, funding, privacy, discipline, curriculum, testing, etc. It is also among the largest school districts in the nation. There is little on the state or federal level re education (or health or housing for that matter)that does not significantly impact the Minneapolis Public Schools and therefore the City of Minneapolis. I applaud & encourage David's continuing effort to keep the Forum discussion structured and limited--and I too urge that any issue raised be tied to its effect on or role in the MPS. But, we are not just another of 480+ school districts in this state. The impact of state policy on our schools and the importance of the health of the MPS to the city and the state should be receiving more attention, not less. Thanks. Kathy Kosnoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Billy Graham to Leave Loring Park Area
I heard this story yesterday afternoon on NPR. Robert Cooper Powderhorn Park -Original Message- From: Jim Berg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 11:15 AM To: Issues Mpls Subject: [Mpls] Billy Graham to Leave Loring Park Area Is it a scoop for the PiPress? http://www.pioneerplanet.com/yhoo/mtc_docs/186064.htm Land available near Loring Park...? Jim Berg Ward 9, Corcoran Minneapolis __ ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] minneapolis awards
Also receiving an award was Ava Brown for her anti-violence efforts including Bobby Brown's Beyond the Courts. She is funded, in part, through Green Central Weed & Seed Initiative. Go Ava! Wizard Marks, Central Mark Wilde wrote: > > Went to the minneapolis awards last night honoring > volunteers who have a real long-term commitment to > helping the city. among others, there was some group > from hiawatha neighborhood who raised money for a > universally accessible playground (i apologize for not > remembering the name), and Richard Little a former > planning commissioner and volunteer in the public > schools. also, Margo Ashmore, a 20 year booster for > northeast and central ave. > > the sound system sucked, and the video presentations > were out of whack, but i felt a lot of pride about > being part of this city. also felt a little nostalgia > already for the mayor, who did the presentations. > > mark wilde > windom park > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals > http://personals.yahoo.com > ___ > Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy > Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: > http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Housing demolition moratorium
I thought David's original post was fairly limited, in that it involved a moratorium on demolition while we review how to recycle/reuse items in a building scheduled for demo (or revisit whether to demo at all). Not a bad idea, though a review of policy will often take a long long time, and buildings that should come down ought to come down (though I guess that's the emergency exception). Case study for discussion: The MCDA just purchased a sound but struggling duplex on the 2400 block of Bloomington in Phillips for $115,000, with the intent to demolish to make room for the Village in Phillips development. A moratorium would obviously affect that development. Is that an intended effect of the moratorium--to delay some developments pending such a review? I ask genuinely, not knowing more about the Village in Phillips development. Other issues: a few folks have suggested that the moratorium would affect currently occupied "problem" properties in that it would not demolish those quickly enough. I have trouble with that jump--that is, the oft-stated solution to a problem property (that is occupied) is to demo it. There are other alternatives, plus a moratorium now would not affect such occupied properties. In addition, we have to engage lenders in some of these discussions. Lenders have absolutely no interest in a building's occupancy once they foreclose--they would rather the building sit empty, shut off the water, etc., until it is sold. We need incentives for lenders to maintain the building as an occupied building after foreclosure and to work to get it sold quickly rather then letting it sit empty and possibly decline further. Gregory Luce North Phillips (but writing from outside of Boston, where the average one bedroom is about $1200) David Piehl wrote: > In light of this history, I challenge the new council (re-elected and newly > elected) as well as mayor-elect Rybak to call for an immediate city-wide > moratorium on non-emergency demolition of housing until recycling policy > options > can be reviewed. A moratorium on demolition would make a strong statement > about > how serious the new council is about the affordable housing problems. ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] What's missing?
The Bohemian Flats are gone, where once we ran around on overgrown piles of polluted soil. Now paved over with a parking lot and a nice new river road. Down below Riverside Park where we used to run around in somekind of strange urban wilderness. The adventures we had, expeditions into the city sewers, the courage we built up over the whole morning, by noon geared up with rope and flashlites and backpacks with tools and matches and whatever else. Who would go in first? Now they're sealed up and locked. Conor Donnelly W1-P1 ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Billy Graham to Leave Loring Park Area
Is it a scoop for the PiPress? http://www.pioneerplanet.com/yhoo/mtc_docs/186064.htm Land available near Loring Park...? Jim Berg Ward 9, Corcoran Minneapolis __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] What's Missing
Hello All, Nankin Restaurant DT and Wanderers Punch. I remember the literary contests in the MPS that produced the GEMS book of student writings every year. I was in it in second grade, and told everyone that I was going to be a writer when I grew up. I am still writing today and I still have my copy of that book. Do they still have this? Central High School football games in Markley Field (Our Pioneer field of dreams is now full of town homes). Speaking of Central, a lot of the jocks signed up for Home Economics class which came right after lunch. Also, Central was one of the first magnet programs and drew folks from all over the south side. We had a good racial mix, and folks communicated without guns. School dances at which Prince and the band played. Bryant Jr. High A & B House and who was better. Watching movies at lunchtime in the auditorium in the balcony. Skyway Theater DT on Hennepin. Before the Minneapolis Children's Theater School had its classes in one building, we roamed from one spot to the next, campus-like in Whittier. There was drama class at St. Stephens Church in the basement; voice classes in a house that was torn down to make way for the new building itself; the building that houses Apples Catering was where our dance classes were in the gym, and so on. We were students from all over the Twin Cities who auditioned to get in the school. We spent half a day in regular school, and the other half in theater school. We were young, impressionistic, artistic, individuals. I am happy to say that a lot of us graduated in the 70's and I feel because of our experiences it made us into more liberal, critical thinking, caring individuals. Do they still have T-CITY (Twin City Institute for Talented Youth)? This is technically Minneapolis and St. Paul,and was held on the Macalster College campus in St. Paul. I was in the summer theater program and met fellow Central classmate there, Michael Madden. He was a wonderful magician and is now a great high school teacher. We used to do street theater down Snelling Avenue. I was a shy girl, but writing and theater transforms you. You become that which you think you can. And for me, having children and grandchildren, you realize that you truly ARE what you only thought was a theatrical moment. Art has always imitated life for me and vice versa. Black and white and shades of gray. I am still becoming, and I thank God for my Minneapolis roots. You cannot destroy a plant totally if you can save its roots. I may have been uprooted, and now live in Tampa, but my family tree was strong (my mother the community activist watered and pruned me well). I am now blooming where I am planted. Pamela Taylor (The writer taking poetic license.) __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Kids & Computers
There are also amazing resources on the net, offered for free, that schools on their own could never duplicate. The MN Orchestra's Virtual Tours is one local example, as well as the many email pen pal programs that link kids from all over the world, doing projects together via the net or just sharing about their lives and experiences. There is online mentoring that connects new teachers and experienced teachers, teacher discussion groups, lesson plan databases, etc. The greatest power of computers and the internet in our schools is to show students that there is much larger world out there, with ideas and places and traditions they have never heard of, but can connect with, if they are curious and willing to learn. Technology in the schools has not been, in my opinion, harnessed in all the positive ways it could be. Ultimately, the most important learning tool in the classroom is the teacher and a positive "learning community". But technology has so much to add, if used properly. Amanda Rondeau Cedar-Riverside Ward 2 ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Re: School district cuts and computers
Kevin Trainor wrote: > What we really need to be buying for the high schools (and perhaps the middle >schools) are network computers or thin clients driven by a central server or server >cluster. This would drastically reduce the risk of infection by viruses and the >installation of unwanted software by students. It would also reduce the cost of >purchasing computers for students to a few hundred dollars including the monitor, as >opposed to nearly $1000 for a decent desktop model PC. While it is true that the MPS could reduce costs by shifting some complexity from stand-alone computers to servers, it is not true that would reduce the risk of infection. It's not really practical to prevent students from saving their work on floppy disks. And, as long as your servers are connected to the Internet (which is there computers derive the most benefit) you will not eliminate the risk of worms or viruses. > I don't claim to be a computer professional, but I have worked with computers for >most of my adult life. Much like any other educational tool, they are only as good >as the software and the instructors provided with them. As things stand now with the >Minneapolis public schools, I have no faith whatsoever that the school board will >manage to provide more than a handful of the necessary qualified instruction. I think that it would be helpful if someone from the MPSs could tell us exactly how the computers are being used; what the computer to student ratio is; whether this ratio is equal between schools and grades; and if there are any studies that have been done in Minneapolis that show that computers contribute to achievement. MPSs Proposal #1: In order to know that programs are effective you need to be able to record data and tract students. It is essential that the district have a powerful, easy-to-use, and accurate database system. From what I have heard, they do not. The "new" school board's first priority should be to finance such a system (it shouldn't be too expensive comparatively). Betts Zerby wrote: > Half of their hour for "media" was spent in the library, > selecting books to take home, being read to, and checking out the > books on the computer, which remembered whether they had returned > their books. > I would like to know if the computer that the students were checking out their books from was networked to a central database that record details of what books the students checked out. If the computer is a stand-alone system, then I don't think it's worth the $700-$2000 that the system probably costs. The Pratt school could always check out books with a paper card system for a few dollars. Ms. Zerby makes clear the point that many of the activities at this grade level don't need computer support and that the district can save a substantial amount of money by reviewing which systems really require computers. I don't know if anyone else saw the report in the news last night that the national dropout rate is going down. Why is ours remaining constant, with 50% of the students in the MPSs failing to graduate in four years? Michael Atherton Prospect Park ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] List etiquette
Members, please remember to trim as much as you can from the previous post if not quoting directly from it. It makes for shorter downloads and easier reading for digest readers! I briefly put a reminder of this at the top of every email, but that was annoying and I don't want to do it again! Also, members bothered by this should - nicely - email offending members and remind them. That often works better than nags from me. Thanks, David Brauer List manager > -Original Message- > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 8:53 AM > Subject: RE: [Mpls] Riverview site > > AMEN > _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Riverview site
AMEN Dean Zimmermann Commissioner, Mpls Park & Rec Board City Council Member, elect Ward 6 612-722-8768 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andy Driscoll Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 8:36 AM To: Mpls. Issues Subject: Re: [Mpls] Riverview site Citizen advisory groups are a complete sham, no matter what they're "studying." They're designed to shut us up, and to stop a revolt over the lack of citizen participation when neighborhoods and democracy are being run over rough-shod. Only when the enabling legislation or regulations governing them actually requires their approval of the final decision will we begin to see citizen advisory groups with clout. Try and think of when you last saw an "advisory" organization that had any real influence on policy. As soon as they do, the power players leave or ignore them. MASAC at the MAC is a perfect example of a sham to keep opponents of airport noise at bay. Had it held any real clout, ROAR would have been unnecessary. As soon as things got testy at MASAC, Northwest Airlines pulled out. I understand the Hollman Decree task force is hardly a model of citizen involvement with a billion dollars in redevelopment at stake. In St. Paul, similar advisory groups on such issues as the future of Ayd Mill Road (conclusions completely ignored by the Planning Commission and City Administration - Norm Coleman); the Ethanol plant where residents were simply kept at bay for a year while the pollution and noise continued unabated (we had to join the city's lawsuit to force their true colors - stonewall red); the West 7th Busway/Riverview Corridor group in which the City, County, State and Met Council pretended to give a whiz for the concerns that making West 7th a rapid transit corridor would split the long and narrow community in two; and, finally (for the moment), a citizens task force on the riverfront where a developer and the city tried feigning participation in the face of opposition to a massive housing development in the flood plain of the Upper Landing. It will be built at the expense of environmental impacts and river views, of course; never mind that this was more than NIMBY talking. Occasionally, our well-organized Planning District/Community Council process has some influence over zoning and other decisions over land use. Not much, but some. But it's in the law that they must. We can all think of examples of the pretense of citizen involvement in almost every instance of major change where big money's at stake. Beware the gurus of ad hoc citizen advisory systems - they're out to keep you quiet. Andy Driscoll Saint Paul -- "The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who, in times of moral crisis, remain neutral" --Dante > From: "Jenny Heiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:46:12 -0600 > To: "Fran Guminga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Mpls. Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Mpls] Riverview site > > Fran -- > > Thank you. > > You have passionately yet eloquently stated the exact reasons why this > parcel of land MUST be saved for usage by not just residents of Mpls. > but by visitors to our city both regionally, nationally, and > internationally. Our politicians must take the blinders off and > understand that this river, the mighty Mississippi, is a national > treasure. A treasure for which we must be wise and foresighted > stewards. Perhaps a lawsuit is in order asking for Federal > intervention. > > The short-sightedness of current city council members and development > interests is one big piece of why the election results came out as > they did, just a little over a week ago. Minneapolitans sent the > message loud and clear: No more city government by the 'Mandarin > class,' an insiders clique, 'we are the professionals and know better' > claque. I can't help but believe that the reason voter turnout gets > increasingly lower with each election in our city, our state, and our > nation, is the disillusionment that the average citizen experiences > after seeing what happens when after weeks, sometimes years, of hard > work one citizen 'advisory' groups' recommendations after another is > discounted and disregarded. The 'dog-and-pony' shows consisting of > public officials lauding citizen involvement and then totally ignoring > the product of that involvment must stop. > > The words to Joni Mitchell's song: "You don't know what you got 'til > it's gone..." keep going through my mind. > > Jenny Heiser > East Phillips > Ward 6 > > ___ > Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy > Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: > http://e-democracy.org/mpls > ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest opti
RE: [Mpls] What's missing?
Willie Murphy and the Bumblebees and dances at the old Dania Hall and Mixed Blood Theater (was it the theater then). Koerner, Ray and Glover at the 400 Bar. Ann Freeman 9-1, who is revealing her age and West Bank roots ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] minneapolis awards
Went to the minneapolis awards last night honoring volunteers who have a real long-term commitment to helping the city. among others, there was some group from hiawatha neighborhood who raised money for a universally accessible playground (i apologize for not remembering the name), and Richard Little a former planning commissioner and volunteer in the public schools. also, Margo Ashmore, a 20 year booster for northeast and central ave. the sound system sucked, and the video presentations were out of whack, but i felt a lot of pride about being part of this city. also felt a little nostalgia already for the mayor, who did the presentations. mark wilde windom park __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Riverview site
Citizen advisory groups are a complete sham, no matter what they're "studying." They're designed to shut us up, and to stop a revolt over the lack of citizen participation when neighborhoods and democracy are being run over rough-shod. Only when the enabling legislation or regulations governing them actually requires their approval of the final decision will we begin to see citizen advisory groups with clout. Try and think of when you last saw an "advisory" organization that had any real influence on policy. As soon as they do, the power players leave or ignore them. MASAC at the MAC is a perfect example of a sham to keep opponents of airport noise at bay. Had it held any real clout, ROAR would have been unnecessary. As soon as things got testy at MASAC, Northwest Airlines pulled out. I understand the Hollman Decree task force is hardly a model of citizen involvement with a billion dollars in redevelopment at stake. In St. Paul, similar advisory groups on such issues as the future of Ayd Mill Road (conclusions completely ignored by the Planning Commission and City Administration - Norm Coleman); the Ethanol plant where residents were simply kept at bay for a year while the pollution and noise continued unabated (we had to join the city's lawsuit to force their true colors - stonewall red); the West 7th Busway/Riverview Corridor group in which the City, County, State and Met Council pretended to give a whiz for the concerns that making West 7th a rapid transit corridor would split the long and narrow community in two; and, finally (for the moment), a citizens task force on the riverfront where a developer and the city tried feigning participation in the face of opposition to a massive housing development in the flood plain of the Upper Landing. It will be built at the expense of environmental impacts and river views, of course; never mind that this was more than NIMBY talking. Occasionally, our well-organized Planning District/Community Council process has some influence over zoning and other decisions over land use. Not much, but some. But it's in the law that they must. We can all think of examples of the pretense of citizen involvement in almost every instance of major change where big money's at stake. Beware the gurus of ad hoc citizen advisory systems - they're out to keep you quiet. Andy Driscoll Saint Paul -- "The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who, in times of moral crisis, remain neutral" --Dante > From: "Jenny Heiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:46:12 -0600 > To: "Fran Guminga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Mpls. Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Mpls] Riverview site > > Fran -- > > Thank you. > > You have passionately yet eloquently stated the exact reasons why this > parcel of land MUST be saved for usage by not just residents of Mpls. > but by visitors to our city both regionally, nationally, and > internationally. Our politicians must take the blinders off and > understand that this river, the mighty Mississippi, is a national > treasure. A treasure for which we must be wise and foresighted > stewards. Perhaps a lawsuit is in order asking for Federal > intervention. > > The short-sightedness of current city council members and development > interests is one big piece of why the election results came out as > they did, just a little over a week ago. Minneapolitans sent the > message loud and clear: No more city government by the 'Mandarin > class,' an insiders clique, 'we are the professionals and know better' > claque. I can't help but believe that the reason voter turnout gets > increasingly lower with each election in our city, our state, and our > nation, is the disillusionment that the average citizen experiences > after seeing what happens when after weeks, sometimes years, of hard > work one citizen 'advisory' groups' recommendations after another is > discounted and disregarded. The 'dog-and-pony' shows consisting of > public officials lauding citizen involvement and then totally ignoring > the product of that involvment must stop. > > The words to Joni Mitchell's song: "You don't know what you got 'til > it's gone..." keep going through my mind. > > Jenny Heiser > East Phillips > Ward 6 > > ___ > Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy > Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: > http://e-democracy.org/mpls > ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Kids & Computers
I assisted the media teacher at Pratt School in Prospect Park last year. There were only kindergartners and first graders in the school. Some of the things that I saw being taught there: How to listen to the teacher and remember an assignment. They would gather, sitting on the floor, listen and watch as the teacher described the assignment, then went to their computers and attempted to do it. Their assignments were such things as making pictures with specific objects in them, selected from the program's various elements, learning the difference between capital and small letters and how to make them on the computer, using their imaginations to tell a story with pictures. The first graders learned punctuation and grammar skills, actually put together a slide show about themselves, with a description of themselves (picture drawn with a drawing program), their likes and dislikes, etc. AND they all loved it. Half of their hour for "media" was spent in the library, selecting books to take home, being read to, and checking out the books on the computer, which remembered whether they had returned their books. I am not a teacher, but I saw these children learning in a different way, and liking it a lot. It was a very diverse group of children, with caucasian, black, Somali, Tibetan, Hmong children equally entranced with the computers (and the books!). Betts Zerby = Elizabeth J. Zerby Minneapolis MN __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] School Distict cuts and computers
Since people have been mentioning credentials... I have been in the computer field since 1982, have a MS in computer science, and have taught computer literacy for ten years. My current field is educational psychology at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis and I've done a fair amount of reading in the aera of instructional technology while here in Minneapolis, although I am not an expert. Heather Martens wrote: > While Ive got to hand it to the marketers, I worry about the effect of computers on elementary schools finite resources. My > understanding is that there is a vast body of research that says art and music >improve young childrens achievement overall. > There are a FEW studies that show art and music improve achievement, but the evidence is not reliable or strong. Does anyone know of any of this type of study that has been done in Minneapolis? > At the same time, there seems to > be no research that shows computers improve young childrens achievement. > The link between computers and achievement is also tenuous. There are many studies that show that computers are not used, or not used appropriately, and that teachers are often not trained how to teach with them. I am sure that this is also true in the MPS. Of course this does not imply that even if they were used and teachers trained, that they would have any greater impact. I posted some time ago that I thought that computers contribute little to primary education, but that secondary students should know how to use them before graduating. However, when you look at the overall costs, computers pale in comparison to the money squandered on reducing class sizes. This is a great discussion on how the Minneapolis Public Schools emphasize "solutions" designed to raise achievement which are generally ineffective. An even more productive discussion might be to talk about solutions which are effective. Michael Atherton Prospect Park ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] what's missing
A great thread- My dad (the jokester that he is) always had to talk about the "brown" weather ball : - ) How about the Foshay Tower being the tallest building in the Minneapolis skyline?? RT's speech at the DFL convention really won me over when he told about looking out over the city from the top of the Foshay. I also have similar memories. How about the Young Quinlen store. As a young girl, I remember it being a big deal to go there with my grandma, ride in the old fashioned elevator (with elevator operator) and have lunch in the tea room. Very grown up! This year what's missing is DAYTONS! on Nicollet Mall. I personally refuse to call it Marshall Fields. For me, DAYTONS at Christmas has so many memories that I refuse to call it anything else. My kids always feel the need to correct me. Obviously a different generation. At least they kept the 8th floor auditorium and the Oak Grill. Does anyone remember the Porky's drive in at 58th and Lyndale? Julie Mattson Ostrow Windom Park NE troutbob wrote: > > ready kilowatt > outdoor baseball...soon to be baseball. > > As to the weather ball > > when the weather ball is glowing red, warmer weather's just ahead > when the weather ball is glowing green, colder weather is foreseen > > white meant snow or rain, but I forget the rest of the jingle. > > J. Trout Lowen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ > Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy > Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: > http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] What is missing?
Ah, nostalgia. >From my radio days as a child in Iowa listening to the Twins broadcasts, "the pampered and pink weekend for two at the.Northstar Inn?" And since my transplantation to Mpls, the East Calhoun Co-op. Where have all the hippies gone? The Mpls hippies of course. Niel Ritchie East Harriet __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] What is missing?
> >> The Weatherball (What did the colors mean?) I believe Andy Driscoll has these correct here: >The Weatherball (of Northwestern National Bank): > >When the Weatherball is red, warmer weather is ahead; >When the Weatherball is white, colder weather is in sight; >When the Weatherball is green, no change in weather is foreseen. >When the Weatherball is blinking (red, green or white) precipitation is >expected. But he's missing one: When the Weatherball is steady black, warning, nuclear attack. (Of course, that was never an official one -- just a semi-joke, semi-serious line told by insiders at NWNB during the midst of the cold war, back when compaines like Univac & Control Data & people like Seymour Cray had the Twin Cities fairly high on the Soviet Union's strike list.) And I believe the Weatherball isn't really gone; just moved to St. Paul. I thought it was donated to the Mn State Fair to be put on display there. But Norwest only donated the equipment, not any funds to rebuild & install it, and the Fair Board declined to spend their funds on something that they felt would be mainly an advertisement for Norwest. So, as I understand it, the Weatherball is still sitting in storage somewhere on the Fairgrounds in St. Paul (possibly tucked away in the basement under the cattle barn?). ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Re: School district cuts and computers
I have to agree with the notion that computers in elementary schools are a waste of time and money. For that matter, the money spent on computers is not spent wisely. Given the relatively limited range of tasks that the students need to accomplish with them, the school districts wasting money buying desktop PCs or even commercial grade workstations. What we really need to be buying for the high schools (and perhaps the middle schools) are network computers or thin clients driven by a central server or server cluster. This would drastically reduce the risk of infection by viruses and the installation of unwanted software by students. It would also reduce the cost of purchasing computers for students to a few hundred dollars including the monitor, as opposed to nearly $1000 for a decent desktop model PC. I don't claim to be a computer professional, but I have worked with computers for most of my adult life. Much like any other educational tool, they are only as good as the software and the instructors provided with them. As things stand now with the Minneapolis public schools, I have no faith whatsoever that the school board will manage to provide more than a handful of the necessary qualified instructors. Kevin Trainor 6-10. East Phillips
