Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-17 Thread Norbert Preining
On Do, 17 Apr 2008, Will Robertson wrote:
 Sorry, I didn't know how you went about actually creating this package.

The packages are created from the actual TeX Live release, or better
from the security branch of the subversion repository, the tag 2007.1 or
how it is called.

 It sounds like it would be easiest to stick with the official releases  
 of TeXLive, despite the long-ish lag-time.

Well yes and no. If the changes are not too invasive we can do it, but
you remember what I said ... ;-)

The problem is when lenny gets stable there will be *no* changes besides
security changes. We will not have the chance to get fixes for stupid
bugs that creeped in into lenny.

Best wishes

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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-17 Thread Will Robertson

On 17/04/2008, at 2:48 PM, Norbert Preining wrote:

And we should at the same time update the necessary packages (is euenc
and fontspec enough?)


xltxtra has seen a couple of bug fixes too.
That one -is- in the current repository.

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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-17 Thread Will Robertson

On 17/04/2008, at 3:08 PM, Norbert Preining wrote:

Honestly, I fear to open a pandora's box here.


Bleah, I can see your concern.
Sorry, I didn't know how you went about actually creating this package.

It sounds like it would be easiest to stick with the official releases  
of TeXLive, despite the long-ish lag-time.


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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-17 Thread Jonathan Kew

On 17 Apr 2008, at 1:09 am, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

 On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:42 AM, Jonathan Kew wrote:
 On 16 Apr 2008, at 7:56 pm, Norbert Preining wrote:

  Given that there won't be TL2008 in lenny, I think it would be very
 desirable to update xetex to a more recent version than 0.996 as  
 shipped
 with TL2007.

 (I don't know much about the context situation).

 ConTeXt would be happy to have the \supressfontnotfounderror fix
 available (which means: happy to have a binary version of XeTeX later
 than the one in TL 2007),

OK, but for Debian it'll need to be provided as a source patch, we  
can't simply give them a binary.

JK

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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-17 Thread Jonathan Kew
On 17 Apr 2008, at 7:23 am, Norbert Preining wrote:

 On Do, 17 Apr 2008, Will Robertson wrote:
 Sorry, I didn't know how you went about actually creating this  
 package.

 The packages are created from the actual TeX Live release, or better
 from the security branch of the subversion repository, the tag  
 2007.1 or
 how it is called.

There's a tag 2007.0, which matches the actual release DVD, and  
there's a branch2007 which has had a few bug fixes applied (mostly  
bugfixes in xetex, also apparently some security fixes in dviljk).

What I suggest is that I review xetex bug-fixes since the 2007  
release, and back-port the most important ones to branch2007 in TeX  
Live; we can also include the \suppressfontnotfounderror or whatever  
it's called, for the sake of the new context. But we won't try to  
include any of the major new features (like Graphite font support, or  
the new ICU version, etc), which would make for a massive patch.

This would give you a xetex 0.996-patch2 in Lenny (what's in  
branch2007 is currently 0.996-patch1), should work for both context  
and non-context users, and should be non-invasive as far as the rest  
of TL is concerned.

If I do this, and create a tag 2007.1 in TL with the updated  
branch2007 version, are you able to use this as the base for your  
package? I presume you don't use the actual binaries from TL Master/ 
bin anyway, so what matters is what we have in the source tree.

JK

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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-17 Thread Norbert Preining
On Do, 17 Apr 2008, Jonathan Kew wrote:
 If I do this, and create a tag 2007.1 in TL with the updated
 branch2007 version, are you able to use this as the base for your

Of course, that would be great. And if you want to be nice to me, too,
send me a simple diff (svn diff output) of what you did and I am
settled.

 package? I presume you don't use the actual binaries from TL Master/

No, of course not.

 bin anyway, so what matters is what we have in the source tree.

Right.

Big thanks a lot.

That leaves the changes to euenc, fontspec, xltx..., ??? TO do or not
to?

Best wishes

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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-16 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi all,

On Mi, 16 Apr 2008, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Release_Note
 
 for everything we did change and patch in the past 24 hours.
 If nothing bad happens, this release will go to CTAN (and
 debian, I presume) sometime tomorrow.


Preliminary packages are available at the usual location
deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ context/
deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ context/
Please give it a try.

I made tests and it passed all context/pdftex tests and the simple
context/luatex I am using.


Taco/Hans: Do you require the newest lmodern with the change of font
names in this context version? Debian currently has 1.010x.

This is important because we have to make a concerted action in case the
deps are on the new lmodern.

Thanks and all the best

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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-16 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mi, 16 Apr 2008, Hans Hagen wrote:
 indeed we need the latest although in the luatex version there is a kind 
 of fallback name subsystem,

Aehm what does this mean??? So either you need it, or there is a
fallback system ... semantics are sometimes dangerous ;-)

So if we ship the old or the new one there is no problem with the one or
the other?

 thanks for your prompt package building

No problem, there are normally not many things to do but running the
tests.

But I still hope that some Debian ConTeXt user could check that
everything works as expected etc etc.

Best wishes

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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-16 Thread Hans Hagen
Norbert Preining wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 On Mi, 16 Apr 2008, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Release_Note

 for everything we did change and patch in the past 24 hours.
 If nothing bad happens, this release will go to CTAN (and
 debian, I presume) sometime tomorrow.
 
 
 Preliminary packages are available at the usual location
   deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ context/
   deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ context/
 Please give it a try.
 
 I made tests and it passed all context/pdftex tests and the simple
 context/luatex I am using.
 
 
 Taco/Hans: Do you require the newest lmodern with the change of font
 names in this context version? Debian currently has 1.010x.
 
 This is important because we have to make a concerted action in case the
 deps are on the new lmodern.

indeed we need the latest although in the luatex version there is a kind 
of fallback name subsystem,

thanks for your prompt package building

Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-16 Thread Hans Hagen
Norbert Preining wrote:
 On Mi, 16 Apr 2008, Hans Hagen wrote:
 indeed we need the latest although in the luatex version there is a kind 
 of fallback name subsystem,
 
 Aehm what does this mean??? So either you need it, or there is a
 fallback system ... semantics are sometimes dangerous ;-)

well, it may work with the old fonts (depends on how old), in 
font-syn.tex  you will find

fonts.names.new_to_old = {
 [lmroman10-capsregular]= lmromancaps10-oblique,
 [lmroman10-capsoblique]= lmromancaps10-regular,
 [lmroman10-demi]   = lmromandemi10-oblique,
 [lmroman10-demioblique]= lmromandemi10-regular,
 [lmroman8-oblique] = lmromanslant8-regular,
 [lmroman9-oblique] = lmromanslant9-regular,
 [lmroman10-oblique]= lmromanslant10-regular,
 [lmroman12-oblique]= lmromanslant12-regular,

etc. so older fonts are ok for context/luatex; while for xetex new fonts 
are needed.

 So if we ship the old or the new one there is no problem with the one or
 the other?

not for luatex/context

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-16 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mi, 16 Apr 2008, Hans Hagen wrote:
 well, it may work with the old fonts (depends on how old), in 
 font-syn.tex  you will find

Well it is the last release before the renaming of the fonts, as I said
1.01x.

 etc. so older fonts are ok for context/luatex; while for xetex new fonts 
 are needed.
 
 So if we ship the old or the new one there is no problem with the one or
 the other?
 
 not for luatex/context

Huuu ... above you say

   so older fonts are ok for context/luatex; while for xetex new fonts
are needed

and then

   not for luatex/context


So I assume the situation is as follows:

- for context/luatex: ok with old and new ones
- for context/xetex: new ones are necessary

Ok, I will think about updating the lmodern fonts, too, but renaming the
font names is really a pain, you shouldn't do that after a 1.something
release. No idea why they did that.

Thanks for the information

Best wishes

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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-16 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mi, 16 Apr 2008, Norbert Preining wrote:
 - for context/luatex: ok with old and new ones
 - for context/xetex: new ones are necessary
 
 Ok, I will think about updating the lmodern fonts, too, but renaming the

Hmm, according to Ralf updating the lmodern is a no-go because that
would need euenc/fontspec updates, which would need ... devilish.
(See bugs.debian.org/469437)

I guess we have to live with this for lenny. And for the next we will
have TL2008 with new xetex/luatex and can ship new context and fonts.

Or do you have another suggestion???

Best wishes

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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-16 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Norbert Preining wrote:
 On Mi, 16 Apr 2008, Norbert Preining wrote:
   - for context/luatex: ok with old and new ones
   - for context/xetex: new ones are necessary

True.

   Ok, I will think about updating the lmodern fonts, too, but renaming the

  Hmm, according to Ralf updating the lmodern is a no-go because that
  would need euenc/fontspec updates, which would need ... devilish.
  (See bugs.debian.org/469437)

  I guess we have to live with this for lenny. And for the next we will
  have TL2008 with new xetex/luatex and can ship new context and fonts.

  Or do you have another suggestion???

ConTeXt + XeTeX will be broken without the latest LM fonts. ConTeX +
LuaTeX works OK.

For XeLaTeX you indeed need to update fontspec, but if you're
reluctant to upgrade the rest of XeTeX, a fix of fontspec to support
the latest LM fonts is so minor, that it's really not worth having a
broken ConTeXt+XeTeX. fontspec might need only a few name fixes,
that's all.

Maybe Jonathan and Will have something more to say about which version
of XeTeX and fontspec might be best to consider to make its way into
Debian, but a humble request from my side - please do upgrade LM.
(MikTeX has done that already.)

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-16 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mi, 16 Apr 2008, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
 For XeLaTeX you indeed need to update fontspec, but if you're
 reluctant to upgrade the rest of XeTeX, a fix of fontspec to support
 the latest LM fonts is so minor, that it's really not worth having a
 broken ConTeXt+XeTeX. fontspec might need only a few name fixes,
 that's all.

Give me a patch and I will see whether it is so minor.

 Debian, but a humble request from my side - please do upgrade LM.

There are people using xetex without context, and I don't want to break
anything for them. context/luatex and context/xetex are more
experimental (or at least I consider them that way).

I need to see the necessary changes before I can discuss that.

Jonathan, Will: It is about TeX Live 2007 in Debian/lenny. There will be
no TL2008 in lenny. But we have recent context and recent luatex.

It is about updating the lmodern fonts, currently we have 1.01x, the
last before the otf and font names were renamed.

What changes would be necessary for fontspec and/or euenc and/or xetex
so that we don't break everything, and have a working:
xetex
context/xetex

Thanks for any enlightening comments!!

Best wishes

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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-16 Thread Jan-Erik Hägglöf
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Hans Hagen skrev:
 Norbert Preining wrote:
 Hi all,

 On Mi, 16 Apr 2008, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Release_Note

 for everything we did change and patch in the past 24 hours.
 If nothing bad happens, this release will go to CTAN (and
 debian, I presume) sometime tomorrow.

 Preliminary packages are available at the usual location
  deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ context/
  deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ context/
 Please give it a try.


It seems that the debian install on above repository not did work for me
as expected.
The luatex engine were lost.

I did the first-setup.sh script
and setuptex

and added necessary lines in my .bashrc

so my documents are build perfect.

I have ubuntu gutsy 7.10

with only minimal-context installed

All best and wishes
and thanks for this wonderful tool

no more microsoft word
no more LateX
forever conteXt

Janneman - Sweden

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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-16 Thread Jonathan Kew
On 16 Apr 2008, at 7:56 pm, Norbert Preining wrote:

 Jonathan, Will: It is about TeX Live 2007 in Debian/lenny. There  
 will be
 no TL2008 in lenny. But we have recent context and recent luatex.

 It is about updating the lmodern fonts, currently we have 1.01x, the
 last before the otf and font names were renamed.

 What changes would be necessary for fontspec and/or euenc and/or xetex
 so that we don't break everything, and have a working:
   xetex
   context/xetex

Given that there won't be TL2008 in lenny, I think it would be very  
desirable to update xetex to a more recent version than 0.996 as  
shipped with TL2007. This would provide several important bug-fixes  
and improve compatibility with certain latex packages (I don't know  
much about the context situation). If you stay with the TL2007  
release, it will quickly look quite stale compared to other  
distributions that are around, and will frustrate users when features  
that others are using don't work for them.

If you're willing to consider this, I can make and tag a branch in  
our Subversion repository to give you a stable version to use (you'll  
need to use that rather than the TL repository). Let me know if I  
should do that. Don't try to grab the latest code from my TRUNK, as  
that's sometimes a bit too experimental.

JK

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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-16 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:42 AM, Jonathan Kew wrote:
 On 16 Apr 2008, at 7:56 pm, Norbert Preining wrote:

  Given that there won't be TL2008 in lenny, I think it would be very
 desirable to update xetex to a more recent version than 0.996 as shipped
 with TL2007.

 (I don't know much about the context situation).

ConTeXt would be happy to have the \supressfontnotfounderror fix
available (which means: happy to have a binary version of XeTeX later
than the one in TL 2007), but should work OK with the old one with
some semi-serious time penalty. If one also forgets all the other nice
bug fixes in xetex, old LM fonts are the only issue that would really
break functionality.

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-16 Thread Norbert Preining
On Do, 17 Apr 2008, Jonathan Kew wrote:
 If you're willing to consider this, I can make and tag a branch in  
 our Subversion repository to give you a stable version to use (you'll  

I am considering that, and (but) best would be to have a patch against
the sources in TeX Live 2007 (the bug fix branch I mean).

Is there a chance to get such a patch?

And we should at the same time update the necessary packages (is euenc
and fontspec enough?)

So, yes, I am consider that.

Best wishes

Norbert

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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-16 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Will,

On Do, 17 Apr 2008, Will Robertson wrote:
 All other XeTeX+LaTeX packages are unaffected and you should use the  
 latest versions from the SVN repository. If you need me to upload the  

Umpf, I don't like to package stuff that is in some svn repository for a
stable release, stuff that hasn't seen at least a decent amount of
testing.

Honestly, I fear to open a pandora's box here. We are now at a level
that I would have to:
- patch xetex and probably xdvipdfmx
- patch several tex packages
- update the lmodern fonts

And I am not sure that all this will *not* affect anything else in
TeX Live 2007!?!?

Furthermore, to be honest, I currently have not the time to prepare such
a big thing.

If one wants to step in and make a patch please grab

http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/src/texlive-bin_2007.dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz
and send a patch against it. It contains fontspec, euenc, and xltxtra.

Receiving this patch I can (re)consider the whole thing.

Sorry, but I have my time constraints, final theoretical mountain guide
exam, upstream TeX Live work, and a real life ;-


Best wishes

Norbert

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