Re: [opensuse-marketing] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name

2011-02-02 Thread Richard Bos
At woensdag 02 februari 2011 22:20:00 wrote Nelson Marques:
  I personally don't see it as a big issue directly - the only issue with
  it is that people clearly assume the openSUSE Build Service is there to
  Build openSUSE Software.
 
 If people see it that way, maybe it's marketing failure? As you state
 and I quote:
 
 «hat people clearly assume the openSUSE Build Service is there to
 Build openSUSE Software.»

I'm sorry to say, but openSUSE is from Novell which is associated with a bad 
deal with MS.  That alone will, I think, be a big barrier to use, download and 
install openSUSE Build Service.

Why would someone using debian, fedora, etc get their packages from 
download.opensuse.org/repositories/.???
Would an openSUSE user expect to get his or her software from 
download.fedorea.org/packages/etc??  or packages.debian.org.  I don't think 
so.

It would be much more attractive to get packages from a distribution agnostic 
site e.g. from buildservice.org/repositories or packages.org/repositories
(the former btw redirects already to https://build.opensuse.org/)


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Re: [opensuse-factory] Are there any tools in opensuse to download the src rpm?

2007-09-21 Thread Richard Bos
Op Thursday 20 September 2007 18:12:35 schreef James Li:
 smart/rug/yast2/apt/yum or other tools?

apt source package or
apt source_pkg package

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[opensuse] ssh can not use dns anymore

2007-07-03 Thread Richard Bos
Hi,

a very weird problem with ssh and dns...

Suddenly since Sunday evening my (default) desktop system does not
resolve system names (dns) when using ssh.

E.g.
# ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
results in (by heart): system name can not be resolved

# ping domain.tld
results in an ip address  X

# ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
this just works

When I use:
# ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on another desktop system it just works.

My default desktop system and this other desktop system use
the same /home as the latter is a nfs exported file system.
Both are suse-10.2

AFAICS nothing has changed on my default desktop system, no
new rpms and the config files in /etc/did not change.

Does anyone have an idea what is causing this particular behaviour?

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Re: [opensuse] ssh can not use dns anymore

2007-07-03 Thread Richard Bos
Op Tuesday 03 July 2007 08:39:22 schreef Richard Bos:
 a very weird problem with ssh and dns...

 Suddenly since Sunday evening my (default) desktop system does not
 resolve system names (dns) when using ssh.

Forget about this weird problem.  It has been solved the same way that it 
started: all by itself ...

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Re: [opensuse-factory] How can we integrate OpenVZ into openSUSE ?

2007-06-24 Thread Richard Bos
Op Saturday 23 June 2007 20:58:41 schreef Alexey Eremenko:
 hi all !

 I'm very interested in integrating light-weight virtualization
 (containerization) into openSUSE !

 OpenVZ looks very promising technology, but how can we pack it with
 openSUSE ?

It's already there:
http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/home:/openvz/openSUSE_10.2/repodata/

Please use http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/ before you start complaining.
Or just learn how to create rpm spec files and start building rpms yourself.  
It ain't difficult you know.

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Re: [opensuse] synchronizing 2 folders

2007-06-24 Thread Richard Bos
Op vrijdag 22 juni 2007 04:59, schreef Hans Linux:
 I need to synchronize the content of folders. Lets say I have 2 folders :

 - /home/hans/folder1
 - /home/hans/folder2

 Everytime I change something in folder1 like remove a file, create a
 file etc, folder2 will automatically be synchronized at once. how do i
 do that?

Perhaps unison:
http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/

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Re: [opensuse] You can say NO to the Microsoft Office format as an ISO standard

2007-06-22 Thread Richard Bos
Op Friday 22 June 2007 00:53:18 schreef Pueblo Native:
 While some of these points may have more or less merit to them, the
 first one is a no-starter:
 There is *already a standard ISO26300 named Open Document Format
 (ODF)*: a dual standard adds cost to industry, government and citizens;

 Now, I use OO and love it, but I am not so arrogant as to assume that it
 is or should be the ONLY standard out there.  Let a thousand flowers
 bloom and let the consumer decide what they want.  As long as they have
 that power, I'm happy even if they choose Microsoft's OXML format.

So it's better to have 2 different standards definitions for e.g. for speed 
km/h s miles/h - temperature celsius vs fahrenheit, lenght, like: 1 meter and 
1 inch?
Ask NASA about the latter.  Didn't they loose a satelite because the mixed 
meters with inches or something like that.
From this alone one can see that it is better to have 1 standard to be used by 
many applications.  Now this gives total freedom to the customer.


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Re: [opensuse] KDE 4 in parallel to KDE 3 on openSUSE 10.2, possible?

2007-06-02 Thread Richard Bos
Op Saturday 02 June 2007 12:27:13 schreef Mohammad Bhuyan:
 Writing to the list as the instruction provided in opensuse wiki (
 http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4 ) was not clear enough for me.

 1. Can I install KDE 4 parallel to my KDE 3.5.7 (latest release) on 10.2?

As stated on the wiki page:
The KDE4 packages install into the /usr prefix hence KDE3 and KDE4 can be 
installed at the same time.

So yes, kde3 and kde4 are installed in parallel.

 2. If yes, should I expect a option to choose KDE 3 / KDE 4 at my login?

I guess so.  The same way as you can choose between gnome, kde, etc.
But kde4 information is installed in ~/.kde4

 3. I am assuming that I will have to get the KDE packages for specific
 to 4. which is OK with me. But how likely it is to break my existing
 my total system?

 (I can't afford to break my current working desktop so please advise
 if the whole idea is not very wise. I am interested as I am interested
 to contribute to development.)

See above it is seperated from kde3.  But you can always start with the kde4 
live CD.

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Re: [opensuse] presentation to show linux

2007-06-01 Thread Richard Bos
Op Friday 01 June 2007 22:54:49 schreef Kai Ponte:
 Just fire up the Matrix screen saver, sit back and relax.

 Seriously, if you can't find one, make it. If you can, do it in
 impress and use your system to display it. (Or at least export it to
 flash.)

Or just fire up knoppix with 3D beryl support including rotating cube, burning 
windows and run your presentation with impress from knoppix.  Use one of the 
windows machines that your computer club has :))

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Re: [opensuse] clean /tmp

2007-05-30 Thread Richard Bos
Op Wednesday 30 May 2007 12:24:40 schreef Carlos E. R.:
    Correction,  it is included, but as those files are owned by root, they
    are not cleaned up. Plus, there are two new variables:

New?  They are there since, well since a long time suse-8.2 or somewhere 
around there.

    MAX_DAYS_IN_LONG_TMP
    LONG_TMP_DIRS_TO_CLEAR

   The name LONG_TMP of the variables must be indicative of something :-?

LONG as in time.  This one can be used for e.g. /var/tmp as that can be 
populated by users and they may want to have access to their files after some 
time.

The other varsTMP_DIRS_TO_CLEAR and MAX_DAYS_IN_TMP are meant for e.g. /tmp To 
remove garbage left behind by system processes.

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Re: [opensuse] New KDE/Kontact bug appeared in 3.5.7-7.1

2007-05-29 Thread Richard Bos
Op Tuesday 29 May 2007 21:24:46 schreef Per-Olov Sjöholm:
 Both of these works perfect in 3.5.6-48-1. When I upgraded to 3.5.7-7.1 my
 address book resource just disappeared in Kontact. And it is not possible
 to add a new one of the same form (sftp or fish). It simply seems the
 feature is gone The calendar resource of the same sftp form still works
 though... But I miss my address book...

What about the date/time applet in kicker?  It used to display the date, but 
now it does not.  It's hard to remember when I saw it working for the last 
time, but I think it worked before the kde upgrade to 3.5.7
Does anybody see the same problem?

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Re: [opensuse] New KDE/Kontact bug appeared in 3.5.7-7.1

2007-05-29 Thread Richard Bos
Op Tuesday 29 May 2007 23:17:13 schreef Patrick Shanahan:
 * Richard Bos [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-29-07 17:05]:
  Op Tuesday 29 May 2007 21:24:46 schreef Per-Olov Sjöholm: What about
  the date/time applet in kicker?  It used to display the date, but now
  it does not.  It's hard to remember when I saw it working for the last
  time, but I think it worked before the kde upgrade to 3.5.7 Does
  anybody see the same problem?

 Hummm, works in 10.1 x86_64 kdebase3-3.5.7-12.1

 see http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~pat/kde_date.jpg

Thanks Patrick, I now discovered that I had asked it to show a timezone, and 
not the day.  When I changed it to show locale time(zone) it showed the date.  
Thanks again for your swift response, that was helpful!

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Re: [opensuse] clean /tmp

2007-05-27 Thread Richard Bos
Op Sunday 27 May 2007 11:11:16 schreef Fazer:
 As I noticed my free space after one year using SUSE is really small i
 noticed that directories whitch was almost empty after instalation have
 some size is tehere an easy way to clean it

 /var 543MB
 /tmp 634MB

 or if there is some other places where I can find useless files to delete

yast - /etc/sysconfig editor - system - cron - *dirs to clear etc


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Re: [opensuse] Offtopic posting, was: [OT] Linux in the classroom (K-12)

2007-05-22 Thread Richard Bos
Op Tuesday 22 May 2007 18:14:58 schreef Brad Bourn:
 I forget which distro Jim is/was using for ltsp, but is wasn't SuSE.  I
 used SuSE for my ltsp stuff and did the best I could to champion it with
 him for that project.

http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP

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Re: [opensuse] Simple RPM question

2007-05-21 Thread Richard Bos
Op Monday 21 May 2007 17:13:57 schreef Jorge Fábregas:
 Is there a way to remove a package and ALL its dependencies? For example, I
 installed mplayer and I had to install 9 other packages to satisfy
 dependencies.  If I no longer want mplayer I'll do this:

 rpm -q --last

 to see the last packages I installed. Ill then do rpm -e with EACH one
 of them.  I noticed that you can only specify one package with the remove
 switch...It will be great If I could rpm -e this,that,the-other-one,
 blabla or something like rpm -e MPlayer --along-dependencies :)  (if and
 only those packages are needed only by MPlayer of course...).

 I'm not interested in a shell script. I just would like to know if there's
 a switch I'm missing (I read the man page but found nothing).

rpmorphan?
Alright here is a webpage ;)
http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/home:/rbos/openSUSE_10.2/repodata/repoview/rpmorphan-0-0.8-2.1.html

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Re: [opensuse] Major problem ! Delta iso doesn't work !

2007-05-17 Thread Richard Bos
Alexey,

Op Thursday 17 May 2007 19:35:42 schreef Alexey Eremenko:
 I cannot upgrade to 10.3alpha4 because delta ISO doesn't work !

this is not a major problem at all.  So please adjust your subject next time, 
for example no exclamation marks and not Major problem.  A major problem is 
for example a harddisk crash without having a recent backup.

In your case it is just playing with a new version, hence your problem is just 
very very minor.  BTW: a better list for alpha releases or actually the right 
ML is opensuse-factory at opensuse dot org.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-packaging] Should we evaluate Zimbra ? - a next-gen Mail Server

2007-05-12 Thread Richard Bos
Op Saturday 12 May 2007 11:41:28 schreef Alexey Eremenko:
 I think besides Zimbra and Kolab there is: Courier that is both
 email-server/email-client/HTTP server for emails.

And??  Courier on its own does not provide a groupware solution, that is what 
zimbra and kolab do.  If you like, it would be possible to swap cyrus for 
courier in the kolab solution.

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Re: [opensuse] Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX due to their laziness ?

2007-05-12 Thread Richard Bos
Op Saturday 12 May 2007 11:14:25 schreef Alexey Eremenko:
 What's worse is that they tell me something like: If you do that
 again I will formally ask a certain account of bugzilla to be
 canceled.

 How am I supposed it eat that as a community-member ?

Provide updated/improved icons, so it is easy to patch.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-packaging] Should we evaluate Zimbra ? - a next-gen Mail Server

2007-05-11 Thread Richard Bos
Op Friday 11 May 2007 21:40:54 schreef Alexey Eremenko:
 Does Kolab allows any web browser to access the email server , lik
 Zimbra or GMail ?

The email server used in the kolab solution is cyrus.  Any email web 
application that can handle imap can be connected to kolab.  However, one 
does not need kolab for an email only solution.  Kolab is build to be a 
groupware solution, so the web application should support calendaring, todo, 
free/busy and the like as well.

As soon as the connection with horde is done (expected in some months), a very 
nice groupware web interface is than available.  This supports everything 
from email, calendaring, tasks, up to an interface for mobile devices.  A 
very complete and compelling setup if you ask me.
 
 From screenshots I see that only Kontact client works with Kolab.

It works with Outlook using a connector and thunderbird as well.  Perhaps 
there are no screenshots of it, that's possible of course.


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Re: [opensuse] 4GB computer slowdown

2007-05-11 Thread Richard Bos
Op Friday 11 May 2007 20:24:49 schreef Petr Klíma:
 Aaron Kulkis wrote:
  I think it's more of an observation effect.
 
  Windows is so buggy, that when hardware errors do occur,
  it's just background noise in the all-too-typical crashing
  and failing...

 Well, I don't agree at all. What I experienced was correct Windows
 behaviour (no errors, at least none reported) while in LInux programs
 crashed now and then without apparent reason.

 I agree with Carlos that LInux most probably uses hardware more
 aggressively, something like leaving less time between successive
 actions therefore leaving less time for the things (signal levels etc.)
 to settle down. That wouldn't be a problem for perfectly stable hardware
 whose critical operating frequencies are quite higher than the real
 operating ones (e.g. all transients finished soon enough). Once you got
 hardware which is operating at (or behind) the edge, you may get anything.

As example: we once obtained a computer that had been running windows fine for 
ages.  The moment we started installing linux on it, it failed.  Indeed it 
already failed during the installation!  Running a memory check tool showed 
that memory was bad = computer to the IT department, they stated that there 
was nothing wrong with the system using their tools!  After talking a bit 
longer the faulty memory got replaced and the machine started to behave 
correctly.

From this we learned that linux uses indeed all resources that it has 
available, while MS does probably not

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Re: [opensuse] Update Server - Very OT!!

2007-05-07 Thread Richard Bos
Op Monday 07 May 2007 11:55:37 schreef Morten Bjørnsvik:
 |-Original Message-
 |From: Marcus Meissner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 |
 | I don't think this is OT at all.  If update server addresses are
 | dished out in a round-robin fashion this might distribute the load,
 | but is far from optimal.  Surely there is a more intelligent method
 | based on the originating IP range?  If web servers can generate
 | country-specific statistics then this should be possible.
 |
 |It is done using the timezone you specify in the installer,
 |and a circle around it.

 Wouldn't it be better to test the ring for latency or TTL?

 Just measure a wget download of a specific file from varous sources and
 choose the one with the lowest latency. This can be done in 50
 lines of scripting. The testing time is saved by the first download.

Or use netselect:
http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/netselect.html

It's made to determine the fastest (download) server.


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Re: [opensuse-factory] LTSP 5 + openSUSE

2007-04-23 Thread Richard Bos
Op Monday 23 April 2007 16:17:58 schreef Christoph Thiel:
  See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5 :
 
    For Novell, Christoph Thiel and Andreas Jaeger are working
     on integrating LTSP-5 into the next release of openSUSE.

 I have no clue, who added us to that page :) Currently, I'm not aware of
 anyone working actively on making LTSP5 work on openSUSE. AJ and myself
 were involved in looking into what would be needed to get it running -- but
 those efforts stalled, IIUC. Maybe it's time to push it again...

In Januari: by Jim Himself:
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/rdiff/Ltsp/Ltsp5?rev1=1.9rev2=1.8

Around that time you were indeed involved, but that's was about it and that 
was than.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] LTSP 5 + openSUSE

2007-04-23 Thread Richard Bos
Op Monday 23 April 2007 16:17:58 schreef Christoph Thiel:
 I have no clue, who added us to that page :) Currently, I'm not aware of
 anyone working actively on making LTSP5 work on openSUSE. AJ and myself
 were involved in looking into what would be needed to get it running -- but
 those efforts stalled, IIUC. Maybe it's time to push it again...

They are indeed stalled on the fact, that it was not possible, at that time, 
to find a location that is _the_ project place for ltsp5.  It was just not 
possible to find a developer that could point to a url and state:  that are 
the ltsp5 sources, run make install and be happy.  That might have changed 
in the meantime, but I did not see it happen.  In my opinion without a good 
project home (sources location or released tarbal location) it is not 
possible to include a project into a distribution.
Hence, the first step for someone that starts to work on this, is I think to 
identify the ltsp5 releases tarbal location and have that included in 
opensuse.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-18 Thread Richard Bos
Op Wednesday 18 April 2007 20:10:05 schreef Andreas Jaeger:
 * log entries in .changes file

   Just a simple Update to version x.y is not valid in the packages
   changelog but happens far too often.  
  
   Goal: present the changes done to packages to users in a good way and
   use that for e.g. Release Notes.

I can't be in the meeting tomorrow:
- How to differentiate between updates to the spec file and the 
package/project?  Or is this not important for the end user?  As an example, 
just recently I did an mass update to the gnome related project (due to the 
prefix change).  At the end this is not important to the end user, but for 
other packagers it is!
However, at the same time I splitted the package into language dependend parts 
and that's important for the end user.

Should there perhaps be 2 changelogs?  A project changelog and a spec file 
changelog?

I must admit I'm on side that a package version is sufficient to mention in 
the spec file, as that all there is that changed.  But now that the changelog 
is presented on the web it is indeed interesting to provide the project 
changelog for the end user.  But in this case it might be sufficient to 
provide a link to the (official/native) project changelog that is most likely 
on the web in the rpm changelog...

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Re: [opensuse] Best way to convert wav to mp3

2007-04-18 Thread Richard Bos
Op Wednesday 18 April 2007 03:44:43 schreef Stevens:
 It's been a while since I wanted to do this, but what's the
 best way to convert a WAV file to .mp3? FYI, am running
 Suse 10.2.

konqueror and type in its location bar:
audiocd:/
This provides a virtual file system to many different audio formats.

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Re: [opensuse-packaging] no provider for /bin/sh in openSUSE-10.3

2007-04-13 Thread Richard Bos
Op Friday 13 April 2007 16:43:06 schreef Stephan Binner:
  What can be the reason for this?

 The YUM repository handling seems to be broken on openSUSE 10.3 Alpha 3 and
 Factory since last week.

Thanks Stephan for this info, I'll assume that the package is okay than.


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Re: [opensuse-packaging] Gnome help documentation for application not completely shown from kde desktop

2007-04-13 Thread Richard Bos
Op Thursday 12 April 2007 17:25:14 schreef u:
  In this directory there is:
  # /opt/gnome/share/gnome/help/gramps/nl ls
  figures  gramps.xml
 
  With many pictures/figures in the figures directory.  Somehow all seems
  well.   But when running the gtk/gnome application gramps in kde and ask
  it to show me the help manual, it's shown incomplete (no figures).
 
  Is this a packaging problem?  Did I miss a kde configuration setting when
  package gramps (build server home:rbos)???

 It used to be that khelpcenter only displayed html docs, whereas yelp
 could display both. I'm not sure if that is still the case or not?

I don't think so, there are docbook files in the doc directory and no html 
files although the main directory is called HTML...: /opt/kde3/share/doc/HTML

But it seems that khelpcenter is not showing pictures for kde applications(!)  
Please try it with e.g.:
help:/multisynk/getting-started.html
or khelpcenter help:/multisynk/getting-started.html
or yelp help:/multisynk/getting-started.html

Very close to the top, there should be a picture.

The last one (yelp) does not show pictures for kde applications, but does it 
for at least one gnome app...

Is this a problem on my system, or is it just a bug?  khelpcenter does not 
seem to have bugs listed on http://bugs.kde.org though.


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Re: [opensuse] Lessons for Lizards is missing from openSUSE website

2007-04-09 Thread Richard Bos
Op Monday 09 April 2007 22:30:12 schreef Alexey Eremenko:
 Did anyone noticed, that The LfL is missing from openSUSE website. link:
 http://en.opensuse.org/Documentation

 I have opened a bug report:
 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=262568

That's quite wrong.  You can update the page yourself!  Just look for the 
right spot on that page and select the 'edit' link on the right.  Pronto 
there you go, and page is updated.  It's that simple.  In this case tell us, 
where you want to have your link, and we can do it.

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Re: [opensuse] 2.6.20 for 10.2?

2007-03-29 Thread Richard Bos
Op Wednesday 28 March 2007 23:17:25 schreef Rui Santos:
 Richard Bos wrote:
  Op Wednesday 28 March 2007 12:00:21 schreef Rui Santos:
  I'm using it for a month now, with very good results. The exception is
  NFS performance.
 
  What issues do see, and when?  Have you been able to compare the NFS
  behaviour with previous kernel versions?

 Yes I was. With the original 2.6.18 openSUSE10.2 kernel, my machine
 acting as NFS client, copied files to the NFS Server at 10.xMB/sec ( 100
 Mbit network). With the 2.6.20 kernel it copy's at a max of 500KB/sec.
 The only difference is the kernel version. The machine is the same.

 Do you know anything that might be able to help me?
 The NFS Server is a SuSE Linux 9.3 using it's standard kernel.

Not myself.  But perhaps this bug report 
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=231234 may be of any help?



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Re: [opensuse] 2.6.20 for 10.2?

2007-03-28 Thread Richard Bos
Op Wednesday 28 March 2007 12:00:21 schreef Rui Santos:
 I'm using it for a month now, with very good results. The exception is
 NFS performance.

What issues do see, and when?  Have you been able to compare the NFS behaviour 
with previous kernel versions?

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Re: [opensuse] Beagle Configuration

2007-03-28 Thread Richard Bos
Joe,

Op Wednesday 28 March 2007 22:26:47 schreef Joe Shaw:
 On 3/28/07, Michael Letourneau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I know many (most?) dislike beagle and turn it off, but I actually have a
  need to use it right now, and thought it would be a good solution to
  finding some information I have mis-placed.

 I'm the main developer of Beagle, so I'm certainly interested to know
 why people turn it off.  Is it a lack of necessity, is it a failure in
 user experience, is it misbehaving in some way (including CPU pegging
 or memory hogging)?  This is all useful information to me, and I want
 to fix any bugs people come across.

it's hogging my system.  Sometimes my desktop just hangs for 30 seconds or 
more!  Super annoying!  I have my /home nfs mounted and it seems in 
combination with beagle this is lethal.  Another annoyance is that it runs 
with the highest priority possible, while (as it is a background) process 
should run with a very low prority.  After I removed beagle all this is gone, 
and as kde comes with its own desktop search function, there is no desire on 
my side for beagle.

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[opensuse] kde application for 'id'

2007-03-27 Thread Richard Bos
Is there a kde application that shows the group member ship of a user.  
Something similar to 'id' but than for kde; 'kid' ;)

A user should be able to figure out his or her group member ship to know how 
to set permissions on file for sharing. istn't...?

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Re: [opensuse] kde application for 'id'

2007-03-27 Thread Richard Bos
Op Tuesday 27 March 2007 22:51:41 schreef Pascal Bleser:
 kdialog --msgbox $(id)

And save it as kid in /opt/kde3/bin :))

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[opensuse] How to make Wake On LAN setting persistent?

2007-03-25 Thread Richard Bos
How to make Wake On LAN setting persistent?  According to this answer:
http://ahh.sourceforge.net/wol/faq.html#q2 the modules.conf needs to be 
adjusted.  But on openSUSE-10.2 there does not seem to be a modules.conf, but 
a modprobe.conf.  Are those the same (or at least similar)?

How should I confugre my system for wake on lan (wol), when I have a via_rhine 
ethernet card?  Can I just options via_rhine enable_wol=1 to the 
modprobe.conf.local file, or even beter add a it in a seperate file 
to /etc/modprobe.d?

BTW: I made it now persistent using scripts in /etc/init.d/

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Re: [opensuse] SUSE 9.0 iso images?

2007-03-23 Thread Richard Bos
Op Friday 23 March 2007 20:27:47 schreef Ben Rosenberg:
 Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the iso images for SUSE
 9.0? I have to do some testing and one of our production platforms
 still uses this version. I don't have the disks or iso images because
 this machine existed prior to me joining my current group at work. And
 of course they don't have them either.

 Any help would rock.

Have there iso's been released for 9.0?  At that time suse did not release 
ISOs I think.  However, you can do a network install with:
ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/discontinued/i386/9.0


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Re: [opensuse] making rpms

2007-03-20 Thread Richard Bos
Op Tuesday 20 March 2007 23:05:55 schreef dwain:
 i find that when new software comes out, it takes a while to get the
 update quickly.  i have been asked by the inkscape folks if i would be
 interested in packaging rpms for opensuse.

have a look at http://software.opensuse.org/ - repository 0r web interface

 as new to this os as i am and not being a programmer, not afraid to
 learn though, would someone be interested, having the time, to walk me
 through the process?  i know the software is available, and i think it's
 loaded on my machine.

 is it that complicated?

Yes and no.  You have to learn, that's for sure.  See above link for more 
information.


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Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often

2007-03-17 Thread Richard Bos
Op vrijdag 16 maart 2007 23:54, schreef Kai Ponte:
  An 1 GHz MS XP is slower than a 450 MHz openSUSE system

Sorry the above line is not correct, it should be a 2 GHz, 1GB MS XP vs 450 
MHz 382 MB openSUSE-10.2 system.

 I'm honestly not surprised.

 I have always felt SUSE (with either KDE or Gnome or IceWM or...) is faster
 at most tasks than XP.

 I used to argue this point in the usenet forums, but eventually realized I
 was arguing with a brick wall and gave up.

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Re: [opensuse] Does anyhave has the NVidia RIVA TNT2 Model 64 working on opensuse-10.2?

2007-03-17 Thread Richard Bos
Alexey,

thnakk you for your reply, but...

Op zaterdag 17 maart 2007 14:47, schreef Alexey Eremenko:
 The newer NVIDIA drivers do not support TNT anymore. Try to get an old
 NVIDIA driver or replace a video card or work with 2D graphics - here
 you won't have any problems.

 I have TNT2 Pro working with openSUSE 10.2, using OSS drivers from
 Xorg in 2D mode.

I believe that is what I started with.  I started with the commands:
# sax2

After that all kind of other commands, like:
# sax2 -m 0=nv  and the like.

But they all behave similar.  X.org tries to start, so there is the grey X 
root window, but than it stops.  The last line in the log are:

Card1 =  DrvProfile : Depth24,NoDDC
]
17-Mar 14:42:17 I [ Sysp: XStuff detection data
SaX: ups lost card during probing... abort

As this 2D stuff did not work, I thought I have to install the driver from 
nvidia.

Can you post which X rpms you have?

This is my set:
xorg-x11-7.2-26
xorg-x11-driver-input-7.2-19
xorg-x11-driver-video-7.2-33
xorg-x11-fonts-7.2-14
xorg-x11-fonts-core-7.2-14
xorg-x11-libfontenc-7.2-12
xorg-x11-libICE-7.2-13
xorg-x11-libs-7.2-19
xorg-x11-libSM-7.2-12
xorg-x11-libX11-7.2-13
xorg-x11-libX11-ccache-7.2-12
xorg-x11-libXau-7.2-8
xorg-x11-libXdmcp-7.2-8
xorg-x11-libXext-7.2-12
xorg-x11-libXfixes-7.2-13
xorg-x11-libxkbfile-7.2-12
xorg-x11-libXmu-7.2-13
xorg-x11-libXp-7.2-8
xorg-x11-libXpm-7.2-12
xorg-x11-libXprintUtil-7.2-8
xorg-x11-libXrender-7.2-12
xorg-x11-libXt-7.2-13
xorg-x11-libXv-7.2-8
xorg-x11-server-7.2-30.4
xorg-x11-Xvnc-7.1-33.1

Without versions the list is as follows:
xorg-x11
xorg-x11-driver-input
xorg-x11-driver-video
xorg-x11-fonts
xorg-x11-fonts-core
xorg-x11-libfontenc
xorg-x11-libICE
xorg-x11-libs
xorg-x11-libSM
xorg-x11-libX11
xorg-x11-libX11-ccache
xorg-x11-libXau
xorg-x11-libXdmcp
xorg-x11-libXext
xorg-x11-libXfixes
xorg-x11-libxkbfile
xorg-x11-libXmu
xorg-x11-libXp
xorg-x11-libXpm
xorg-x11-libXprintUtil
xorg-x11-libXrender
xorg-x11-libXt
xorg-x11-libXv
xorg-x11-server
xorg-x11-Xvnc

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Re: [opensuse] Does anyhave has the NVidia RIVA TNT2 Model 64 working on opensuse-10.2?

2007-03-17 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 17 maart 2007 17:11, schreef Alexey Eremenko:
 I hope this helps...

Your rpm list is almost the same as mine, the diff is neglicable:
xorg-x11-server-7.2-30
xorg-x11-server-7.2-30.4
xorg-x11-Xvnc-7.1-22
xorg-x11-Xvnc-7.1-33.1

I'll try to use your X.org file, let's see what that does.

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Re: [opensuse] Time stability

2007-03-17 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 17 maart 2007 21:47, schreef Carlos E. R.:
 http://susefaq.sourceforge.net/howto/time.html

 I wrote it years ago (2003), but I believe it is still correct.

Anyway it is very educative!

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Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often

2007-03-16 Thread Richard Bos
Op vrijdag 16 maart 2007 05:29, schreef Kai Ponte:
 The OS/2 machine finished all tasks in about two minutes.
 The Win95 machine finished in half an hour.

I like this comparison, which I did last week because openSUSE felt so much 
faster.  Well see for your self:

1. System comparison

Creating 350 files (1 file is create doc, and zip it)


1.1. System 1
2 GHz, 1 GB
LiveCD regular desktop no 3D: 14
LiveCD desktop with 3D and running on batteries: 15


1.2. System 2
3 GHz, 2 cpu, 512 MB
2 user sessions running: 30
2 user sessions running, 1 with a compile going on: 45 - 60


1.3. System 3
2 GHz, 1 GB
1 GUI nothing else: 4'15
1 GUI (accessed via ssh) nothing else: 5'30


1.4. System 4
450 HMz, 382 MB
Without number crunching: 3'30
Number crunching job going only: 6'40




System 1: notebook running knoppix
System 2: desktop PC running openSUSE
System 3: notebook running MS XP
System 4: desktop PC running openSUSE

System 1 and 3 are the same system


Ranking:
1: Knoppix on notebook
2: openSUSE on desktop
3: openSUSE on slow desktop
4: MS XP on notebook

An 1 GHz MS XP is slower than a 450 MHz openSUSE system

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Re: [opensuse] What I Want (was Why I don't upgrade often)

2007-03-16 Thread Richard Bos
Op vrijdag 16 maart 2007 22:25, schreef Peter Bradley:
 Ysgrifennodd David Brodbeck:
  Some sites are still designed for
  Internet Explorer only, and it will be a cold day in hell before
  Microsoft ports that to Linux.

 I understand you can get it to work in CrossOver Office.  If you really
 want to.

Or use:
http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page

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[opensuse] Does anyhave has the NVidia RIVA TNT2 Model 64 working on opensuse-10.2?

2007-03-16 Thread Richard Bos
The subject basically says it all:
Does anyhave has the NVidia RIVA TNT2 Model 64 working on opensuse-10.2?  If 
yes how did you do it?

I followed some howto's and the last helped me the most, which is this one:
http://en.opensuse.org/NVIDIA

The build starts, but the compile fails with:
ERROR: Unable to build the NVIDIA kernel module.
ERROR: Installation has failed.  Please see the file
   '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for details.  You may find suggestions
   on fixing installation problems in the README available on the Linux
   driver download page at www.nvidia.com.


The message above is taken from the /var/log/nvidia-installer.log file.

The last compile line there is:
   /nv/os-interface.c:26:
   include2/asm/io.h: In function ‘check_signature’:
   include2/asm/io.h:245: warning: wrong type argument to increment
   /tmp/selfgz8535/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7174-pkg0/usr/src/nv/os-interface.c: 
In
   function ‘os_set_mlock_capability’:
   /tmp/selfgz8535/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7174-pkg0/usr/src/nv/os-interface.c:126
   2: error: ‘struct task_struct’ has no member named ‘rlim’
   make[4]: *** 
[/tmp/selfgz8535/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7174-pkg0/usr/src/nv/os-i
   nterface.o] Fout 1
   make[3]: *** 
[_module_/tmp/selfgz8535/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7174-pkg0/usr/src
   /nv] Fout 2
   make[2]: *** [modules] Fout 2
   NVIDIA: left KBUILD.
   nvidia.ko failed to build!
   make[1]: *** [module] Fout 1
   make: *** [module] Fout 2
- Error.


The files /tmp/self* are removed after the build.  Does anyone know what is 
wrong?

Do I really need this driver to be able to use the Riva tnt video card on 
opensuse-10.2/

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Re: [opensuse] What I Want (was Why I don't upgrade often)

2007-03-16 Thread Richard Bos
Op vrijdag 16 maart 2007 23:11, schreef Adam Tauno Williams:
 It actually works quite well on just the Wine version that ships with
 openSUSE.  IE has worked in Wine for quite awhile.

Do you have a procedure how to install it?  What libraries are needed?

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Re: [opensuse] mod_perl in OpenSuse 10.2

2007-03-15 Thread Richard Bos
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 09:42:49PM -0700, Bruce Ferrell wrote:
 
 
 Michael Folsom wrote:
 Folks:
 
 New to mod_perl and am having trouble getting mod_perl going on OpenSuse 
 10.2.
 
 Have a system with apache installed and working and used yast to
 install mod_perl from the install DVD.  It created the directory
 /srv/www/perl-lib and in /etc/apache2 I find mod_perl-startup.pl and
 in /etc/apache2/conf.d I find mod_perl.conf.
 
 Problem is when I dropped the file rock.pl (see below) in
 /srv/www/perl-lib it doesn't run - meaning I go to
 http://server_name/perl-lib/rock.pl in a browser and get an Object
 not found!.
 
 Permissions on rock.pl:
-rwxr-xr-x 1 nobody nobody 85 2007-03-14 21:56 rock.pl
 
 ... rock.pl
 #!/usr/bin/perl
 print Content-type: text/plain\n\n;
 print mod_perl 2.0 rocks!\n;
 
 Suggestions appreciated!
 
 
 
 Michael
 
 what do the apache logs tell you?

Is it similar to this:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=245173

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Re: [opensuse] Yast - to upgrade Distribution ?

2007-03-15 Thread Richard Bos
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 12:11:46PM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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 The Wednesday 2007-03-14 at 08:57 -0400, Abstract wrote:
 
  I know in the past I heard you could not upgrade suse major
  revision upgrades, just minor.
 
 Rubish!
 
 I upgraded from 9.3 to 10.2, via the install dvd.

And me too :)

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Re: [opensuse] mod_perl in OpenSuse 10.2

2007-03-15 Thread Richard Bos
Op donderdag 15 maart 2007 21:30, schreef David Bolt:
 Now why oh why did they ship the mod_perl.conf file that way when they
 had created the directory /srv/www/perl-lib to put perl scripts in?

 No idea. I always install any scripts into /cgi-bin/. It makes things
 much easier as it just works.

 The next question is - how do you fix the file to get it to work?

 If you really want to use it, it just needs a few of changes.

Do perl scripts work from userdir ($HOME/public_html or 
$HOME/public_html/cgi-bin) as well.  Or does that need changes to the config 
file as well?

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[opensuse] Dell Opens a Poll On Linux Options

2007-03-14 Thread Richard Bos
In response to overwhelming user demand for Linux, Dell has posted a survey 
on a company blog that asks 'PC users to choose between Linux flavors such as 
Novell and openSUSE.  More at:
http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/corp/linux

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Re: [opensuse] Suse on a flash drive anybody?

2007-03-13 Thread Richard Bos
Op dinsdag 13 maart 2007 17:22, schreef Roger Oberholtzer:
 On a similar topic, does anyone have a vmware image for OpenSUSE 10.2? I
 would settle for an autoyast file that selects a decent subset that I
 can then install myself. Anyone seen such a thing?

http://developer.kde.org/~binner/vmware/


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Re: [opensuse-factory] cvsgraph?

2007-03-08 Thread Richard Bos
Randall,

Op donderdag 8 maart 2007 18:11, schreef Randall R Schulz:
 CVS and Subversion are the most widely used open-source version
 control / source code management systems and both are included in
 openSUSE. Many users of one or both of these also use ViewVC or
 ViewCVS. This is also included. There's one missing piece: cvsgraph
 (optional support for which is built into ViewVC). I believe there's a
 large number of people who would like to have the additional
 functionality provided by it and that the complete set of related
 packages should be included.

 But what are the criteria for inclusion? What percent of the users must
 use a package to get it included?

 If you start with this offhand I don't need it and don't see why more
 than a handful of users would justification for excluding packages
 (explicitly requested packages, no less), then where does it end? With
 an operating system release with no more application software than MS
 Windows? Of course not, but I'd strongly prefer continuing in the other
 direction--all comers welcome.

the Build server is really the right place for this.  If someone urgently 
need, than just build it in the build server as is the case of all those 
other hunderds perhaps thousands of packages.  Scratch that itch and we will 
be happier susers ;)
Perhaps the 
http://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/Subversion/openSUSE_10.2/i586/ 
maintainers will add it to their repository.  Perhaps you can join them?


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Re: [opensuse-factory] OpenSUSE, bugs and some considerations

2007-03-02 Thread Richard Bos
Op vrijdag 2 maart 2007 22:52, schreef Alberto Passalacqua:
       * main-menu Hangs
         https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=240727

This bug number is incorrect.  What is the right one?

       * Banshee doesn't recognize ipod
         https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=215301

       * yast is still unable to list printers
         https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=240727

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Re: [opensuse] Re: wine and new libraries

2007-02-28 Thread Richard Bos
Op woensdag 28 februari 2007 11:24, schreef Eberhard Roloff:
 for me, this usually works with
 1. winecfg
 2. go to the tab libraries (or similar)
 3. enter your library there as an override, which means that wine will
 use your library instead of using the builtin functionality for the
 purpose.

That looks promising, I'll give this a go.  I'll let you know the result.

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[opensuse] wine and new libraries

2007-02-27 Thread Richard Bos
Hi,

I just installed wine-0.9.31 for a proprietary application that is being said 
runs using wine-0.9.29 and up.  However, it needs some libraries that are not 
part of wine.  An example is Host.dll.  I downloaded Host.dll from the net 
and saved it into /usr/lib/wine.  After executing the application with wine, 
wine still complains that it cannot find it.  After moving the libs to 
~/.wine/drive_c/windows/system32 the application can be launched.  There 
still seems to be a problem with the application, might that because the 
dll's are not correctly recognized/initialized by wine?

How can I have those dll's installed systemwide in /usr/lib/wine and 
recognized by wine?

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Re: [opensuse] Beryl

2007-02-26 Thread Richard Bos
Op maandag 26 februari 2007 18:17, schreef Jay Smith:
 Now, having said that, I have to report that I removed it all from the
 computer because of the extra overhead that it requires and because I
 personally do not need or want many of the bells and whistles that are
 provided. So, to summarize, it is really nice eye candy but it made my
 system slow down because I don't have gobs of memory.

 Agreed,I had used it and deleted it. It's not meant to be much more than
 eye candy but still, it's cool. Vista's Aero can barely compete with that.
 Vista's Aero is eye candy as well but not meant to help much. LOL.

because of Beryl I had people start to have a look at linux.  A nice distro 
for this to come with beryl out of the box, is knoppix ;)

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Re: [opensuse] multiple proxies in kde

2007-02-26 Thread Richard Bos
Op maandag 26 februari 2007 10:23, schreef Kostas Georgokitsos:
 I have 2 proxies in my network and would like to let smome applications use
 one and some the other, particularly with amarok. is there a general way to
 do that? Amarok had no special configuration option. Alternatively, setting
 no proxy at all for amarok would also be ok.

just from the command:
# no_proxy=system.domain.tld amarok
or
# ht/ftp_proxy=http:.: amarok

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Upgrading apt - your input is needed

2007-02-24 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 24 februari 2007 01:10, schreef Edward Dunagin:
 Now this little old users is really confused. What in the world is
 repomd??? And how is apt connected with synaptic?

repomd = Meta Data repository format
It's a universal package (rpm) information format.  It's used by all kind of 
packages managers, such as apt, smart, yast, yum, etc.  The advantage if for 
the rpm repository provider (distributor) as now only now repository must be 
generated.  Before a repository had to be maintained, for each individual 
package manager...

 Does this now mean that when I run ap-get update, it really does not
 work, only looks like it does?

apt just works.  As synaptic (the graphical frontend) depends on apt and apt 
(-beta) has changed libraries, synaptic does not work as desired with apt 
(-beta).

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Re: [opensuse-factory] improve boot time

2007-02-24 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 24 februari 2007 03:43, schreef Collin Marc:
 for a home user, the login screen should display very early in the boot
 process. Network could start after this boot screen, same thing for cups.

This does not work for home directories that are nfs mounted (like mine).  In 
that case the network needs to be up!

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[opensuse] Microsoft ordered to pay Alcatel-Lucent $1.5 bln in patent case - MarketWatch

2007-02-23 Thread Richard Bos
Be carefull with illegal MP3 codecs, you might be fined:
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- A federal court jury in San Diego on Thursday 
returned a $1.52 billion verdict against Microsoft Corp. after finding it 
infringed on two digital audio patents owned by Alcatel-Lucent.
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/microsoft-ordered-pay-alcatel-lucent-15/story.aspx?guid=%7B1DD3996C%2D8037%2D4528%2D9203%2DA612C9AD2564%7Dsiteid=yhoodist=yhoo

Next time use ogg, MS.

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Re: [opensuse] APT for Open SuSE 10.2

2007-02-22 Thread Richard Bos
On Thu, Feb 22, 2007 at 08:29:38AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  - apt lives  :)
 
 
  . . . have just used 'Smart' to install APT in SuSE 10.2,
 
 
 BUT, the apt Sources List for SuSE 10.2 does not appear to be working at 
 present

Can you be more precise?  WHat kind of error do  you see.  Of what
is not happening, what you expect ot happen?
 
  - does someone have a Sources List for Trusted Repositories, that is 
 currently working please ?

It works for me and others, see above be a bit more speific in the
problems you get.

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Re: [opensuse] APT for Open SuSE 10.2

2007-02-22 Thread Richard Bos
Op donderdag 22 februari 2007 12:08, schreef [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 All works fine now

 

 The version that did NOT work - got it from SMART   :(

That's because you did not configure smart to use my 
repository  ...home:/rbos/openSUSE_10.2  Smart would have pulled in 
apt-..org... otherwise.  In other words you can't blame smart for the fact 
that it did not work.

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Re: [opensuse] group ware info

2007-02-21 Thread Richard Bos
Op woensdag 21 februari 2007 22:44, schreef Jack Malone:
 What some of the folks want are a share calendar an address
 book feature. Is there something out that that will let me have that
 with out using alll the features. i need for this to be free or very
 low cost, ( no budget for it at the moment).  I have a operate on a
 shoe string budget here, we have a few old codgers on the board that
 watch what we spend in the computer / software area an they grip if I
 spend too much money or they think im spending too much. At the
 moment I have suse 8 or 8.2 on my main server, not had a need to
 upgrade the production server an its running good. I'm fixing to
 install 10.2 on my backup server an get it going agian an I host this
 on that machine when I have up an running.

http://en.opensuse.org/kolab

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Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE updater (OT, slightly)

2007-02-18 Thread Richard Bos
Op zondag 18 februari 2007 02:12, schreef Patrick Shanahan:
  1 minute of work over here.  I added the source NX/openSUSE_10.2 to
  my apt source.list file, executes apt update and did 'apt install
  NX'.  Version 1.5.0-82 got installed ;)

 You returned to apt from smart?  

No, I have always used apt, though I looked at smart.  But as a long time apt 
user I have not been able to become used to smart.  Apt(-rpm) obtained a new 
maintainer and so apt is still alive.  It supports the repomd repositories, 
provided by opensuse, very well.  

 I thought apt was depricated 

See above.
You can get it from: 
http://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/home:/rbos/openSUSE_10.2/

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Re: [opensuse] Google Earth OT

2007-02-18 Thread Richard Bos
Op zondag 18 februari 2007 05:45, schreef Randall R Schulz:
  Worked great.Wouldn't know how to make those teeny fonts in the menus
  larger, would you?

 I believe it's a GTK application, so its GUI fonts (menu and such) can
 probably be configured via the Gnome Control Center.

Wrong, see: http://www.trolltech.com/customers/allcustomers/google/ 
http://www.trolltech.com/pdf/Introducing_Qt_1006.pdf (page 31)

= It's a QT app.


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Re: [opensuse] Repository for ClamAV

2007-02-18 Thread Richard Bos
Op zondag 18 februari 2007 12:23, schreef Joe Morris (NTM):
 Rick Friedman wrote:
  Does anyone know of a repository for the latest version (0.90) of ClamAV?
  The latest version I can find in any repository is 0.88.
 
  Any help is greatly appreciated.

 Where did you look?  It is at your favorite mirror, projects/clamav.  Or
 just wait til next week.

It should be on opensuse's buildserver and not in the projects area :(  The 
unfortenate thing of 
ftp://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/ftp.suse.com/projects/clamav/clamav-0.90 
is, that it does not provide a repomd repository :(

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Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE updater (OT, slightly)

2007-02-18 Thread Richard Bos
Op zondag 18 februari 2007 15:27, schreef Carl Hartung:
 On Sun February 18 2007 03:42, Richard Bos wrote:
  See above.
  You can get it from:
  http://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/home:/rbos/openSUSE_10.2/

 Hi Richard,

 Care to share or point me towards a working 'safe' set of *.list files
 (10.2 i686)? I guess the repositories have been juggled around since I last
 tried getting it to work here. 'install-apt4suse --update-srclist' and
 'apt-get update' are just spitting out download failure errors.

Just install 'apt-beta' and 'apt-beta-libs' (normal apt an apt-libs, may be 
installed as well, but the beta performs well for me already for a long 
time).  They come with a correctly configured sources.list file, that point 
to opensuse base and opensuse update only.  The file contains examples that 
point to opensuse' buildserver.  I hope this is sufficient, if not let me 
know.

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Re: [opensuse] Google Earth OT

2007-02-18 Thread Richard Bos
Op zondag 18 februari 2007 16:35, schreef Randall R Schulz:
  = It's a QT app.

 In that case it should respond to the KDE control center settings,
 right?

Hmm, difficult to say.  I would say it is independent of kde.  KDE is built on 
top of QT and as such kde would pick up changes that are made to QT, but not 
the other way around.  There is a ~/.qt directory, perhaps you're looking for 
that?

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Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE updater (OT, slightly)

2007-02-18 Thread Richard Bos
Op zondag 18 februari 2007 17:22, schreef Patrick Shanahan:
 * Richard Bos [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-18-07 03:42]:
  [...]

  No, I have always used apt, though I looked at smart.  But as a long
  time apt user I have not been able to become used to smart.
  Apt(-rpm) obtained a new maintainer and so apt is still alive.  It
  supports the repomd repositories, provided by opensuse, very well.

 11:11 wahoo:~  rpm -q apt-beta apt-beta-libs
 apt-beta-0.5.15lorg3.90-9.1
 apt-beta-libs-0.5.15lorg3.90-9.1

 E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
 E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
 E: Error occured while processing libinstrudeo (NewVersion1)
 E: Problem with MergeList
 /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp4.gwdg.de_pub_linux_suse_apt_SuSE_10.1-x86%5f64_base_
pkglist.suser-guru E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed
 or opened.

 running rpm --rebuildb atm, but I suspect that the Package file is
 too large:
 ls -la /var/lib/rpm/Packages
 -rw-r--r--   1 root root 62304256 2007-02-18 10:46 Packages

No you're running out cache ;)
Next time, you have to google 1st ;)
http://rwxii.bitblaster.com/k/11-1-1-031211102449/permlink.hptb

...and the answer is:

Put this in /etc/apt/apt.conf and the problem goes away, at least it did for 
me today:

APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;

ps: I have no idea to which value you have to set cache-limit.  I found to 
values for the limit.  One is 8 and the other is 12MB.

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Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE updater (OT, slightly)

2007-02-18 Thread Richard Bos
Op zondag 18 februari 2007 18:31, schreef Patrick Shanahan:
 ps: do I need to be concerned with i586 vs x86_64 packages being
 installed?  'apt-get upgrade -s' does not report architechure or I do
 not know how to see it...

When pkgs get installed, it will select the right one for your architecture.  
During the installation I see lines like:
pkg.i586

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Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE updater (OT, slightly)

2007-02-18 Thread Richard Bos
Op zondag 18 februari 2007 18:45, schreef Patrick Shanahan:
  ps: do I need to be concerned with i586 vs x86_64 packages being
  installed?  'apt-get upgrade -s' does not report architechure or I do
  not know how to see it...

 I also notice that apt-get wants to install updates that seem to be the
 same version as already installed:


 12:39 wahoo:~ # rpm -q cups cups-client cups-libs --last
 cups-libs-1.1.23-40.12                        Tue 30 Jan 2007 09:48:06 AM
 EST cups-1.1.23-40.12                             Tue 30 Jan 2007 09:47:55
 AM EST cups-client-1.1.23-40.12                      Tue 30 Jan 2007
 09:47:48 AM EST

 12:38 wahoo:~ # apt-get upgrade -s
 Reading Package Lists... Done
 Building Dependency Tree... Done
 The following packages will be upgraded
   cups cups-client cups-libs
  [...]
 Inst cups [1.1.23-40.12] (1.2.0-0.1 SuSE:10.1/stable) []
 Inst cups-client [1.1.23-40.12] (1.2.0-0.1 SuSE:10.1/stable) []
 Inst cups-libs [1.1.23-40.12] (1.2.0-0.1 SuSE:10.1/stable)

 12:40 wahoo:~ # smart query --installed cups cups-libs cups-client
  [...]
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Let's find out; just execute 'apt -d upgrade' or if you only want to test it 
with a few pkgs use 'apt -d install cups cups-client cups-libs'.  (-d 
download only).  During the download the architecture will be shown, and this 
can be checked in the dir /var/cache/apt/archives as well (use ls -l cups*).

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Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE updater (OT, slightly)

2007-02-17 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 17 februari 2007 12:09, schreef Verner Kjærsgaard:
 Just to give you an exampe; SuSE10.2, plain vanilla, new install.
 I've been trying for a couple of days to update the freeNX server to the
 latest - which can be found at

 software.opensuse.org/download/NX/openSUSE_10.2/

 This is what you'll enter into YaST as a software repository. Only the
 darned thing doesn't work, at all

 You'll get:

 Unknown Error: Downloading metadata failed (is YUM source?) or did not
 accept remote source. Aborting refresh

 A few very kind people on the NX-machine list has been very kind to help.
 All to no avail.
 Mind you, I did not change anything, anything at all in the SuSE/YaST
 installer system.

 It just doesn't work. I've tried at least 5 times at differenct time
 intervals. It doesn't work.

 I need to upgrade to this latest Freenx server, only I can't. No matter
 what I do.

 Any help?

 :-)

1 minute of work over here.  I added the source NX/openSUSE_10.2 to my apt 
source.list file, executes apt update and did 'apt install NX'.  Version 
1.5.0-82 got installed ;)

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Re: [opensuse] Apache question

2007-02-17 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 17 februari 2007 20:32, schreef James Hatridge:
 When I go to http://localhost/; on my system I get It works!. Where is
 that page in the file system? I can not find it!

that should be in /srv/www/htdocs/

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Re: [opensuse] System Mail

2007-02-15 Thread Richard Bos
Op donderdag 15 februari 2007 22:38, schreef Peter Bloomfield:
 I set up a machine under SuSE 10.2. during the setup I created a user and
 selected that the user receive any system mail. I now want to stop that so
 that root receives system mail.

 Does anyone know where to look to do this?

/etc/aliases maybe?

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[opensuse] Apache running perl in userdir, how?

2007-02-11 Thread Richard Bos
Hi,

I try to get a perl based webapplication running on my opensuse-10.2-i586 
installation.  It's a bit challenging, so to say

The webapplication is ftree (http://www.cs.bme.hu/~bodon/en/ftree2/).  In the 
end I want that I can run this as a regular user 
in  /home/*/public_html/ftree/ (with * being any regular user login).

Using yast I have now been able (again) to make /home/*/public_html working 
again, as this seems only possible via a virtual host  9quite confusing, 
to say the least).  But it does not allow perl scripts to be run (yet).

Therefor I changed to /srv/www/cgi-bin, as I know that perl is allowed to be 
run from there.  And indeed ftree can be run from there.  Actually ftree is 
installed in /srv/www/cgi-bin/cgi/ftree.cgi
The ftree.cgi script refers to pictures with ../graphics/file, but these are 
not found.  While the files are there (.e.g):
/srv/www/cgi-bin/graphics/hblank.gif
Why does ftree.cgi does not see those pictures?  Is it 
because /etc/apache2/conf.d/mod_perl.conf specifies:
ScriptAlias /cgi-perl/ /srv/www/cgi-bin/  ?
 

Anyway, is someone able to provide me hint how to get perl working 
in  /home/*/public_html.  Being with or without yast?


Hmm, there are some funny things going on in this apache area.  I can't read 
back the settings with yast for the vhost?  Although there is 
a /etc/apache2/vhosts.d/yast2_vhosts.conf file.  Is this a known problem?

It does not seem possible configure log files for this vhost, using yast.  Is 
this a known problem?


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Re: [opensuse-factory] awful system response on boot

2007-01-13 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 13 januari 2007 17:20, schreef Felix Miata:
 Why is it these have to gobble nearly 100% CPU on boot? Getting a
 reaction to login prompt and password inputs should be virtually
 instantaneous, but is far from it. Could they be forced to a lower
 priority by default?

Add your comments to:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=230789 if you like.

 What is find doing after the previous 3 finish?
Might be for 'locate', I guess updatedb is running.

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Re: [opensuse-packaging] GNOME: planned changes (move to /usr, scriptlets)

2007-01-03 Thread Richard Bos
Op woensdag 3 januari 2007 17:40, schreef Andreas Hanke:
  is it possible to explain, why this is done?  What is the advantage of
  /usr or the disadvantage of /opt?

 The /opt/gnome - /usr separation simply doesn't work. It worked
 reasonably in the past when GNOME was sort of self-contained, but today
 GNOME packages install a lot of files (mono libraries, python modules,
 dbus services, message catalogs...) that *must* live in /usr.

As kde is dependend on e.g. dbus as well, does that mean that in the future 
kde (kde4) will move to /usr as well?

Op woensdag 3 januari 2007 18:26, schreef Stanislav Brabec:
 Additionally installation of distribution packages to /opt:
 - Breaks LSB rules.
Does the LSB forbid to install packages outside /usr.  I thought that the LSB 
allows packages to be installed /opt, under certain conditions.

 - Forces third parties to create many distribution specific RPM
   packages.
The same is valid in think for kde (see above).  Does this mean that kde(4) 
will be located in /usr in the future as well?

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Re: [opensuse-packaging] GNOME: planned changes (move to /usr, scriptlets)

2007-01-03 Thread Richard Bos
Op woensdag 3 januari 2007 22:00, schreef Andreas Hanke:
 The current idea seems to be that all distro packages should have /usr
 as prefix, that's why /usr/X11R6 has been killed as well. (Unfortunately
 not complete - it should be killed completely for the next release)

Do you mean with a distro package, a package that is delivered by opensuse 
via the boxed or online version?

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Re: [opensuse-factory] build service

2006-12-12 Thread Richard Bos
Op dinsdag 12 december 2006 19:47, schreef David Mayr:
  Is there a good interface for searching through the various repositories
  when looking for packages? All these separate directories make it harder
  to find stuff

 Not yet, but we're working hard on it. Please stay tuned.
 We know that this is an important must have ...

I use:
rsync -a 
rsync://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/ --include=rpm --exclude=html | 
tr -s   | cut -d  -f5-  | grep rpm | sort 

Which is redirected to a file.  This file can be grepped.  Works quite well 
for.  The only problem is to have them categorized per suse version, this is 
not easy with all the free format names.


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Re: [opensuse-factory] Ldap config

2006-12-04 Thread Richard Bos
Op maandag 4 december 2006 16:44, schreef Günther J. Niederwimmer:
 have any configured ldap with the Factory Source ?
 On my side, i have only ldap server not found, but the ldap server is
 configured and running ?

 I do it also with YaST2, some problem :(.

 Is there some new things, that I not found ??

I did, and AFAIR it works for me.  However, I have seen some times the error 
message that the password is not correct.  Or something similar, don't 
remember.  I try to use it for login authentication, but sofar I don't see 
new users appearing the ldapdb when using 'ldapsearch -x'.  Perhaps I don't 
have the permission to retrieve those entries.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Kontact- Calendar-import

2006-12-03 Thread Richard Bos
Op zondag 3 december 2006 14:14, schreef Peter Buschbacher:
 Is there a configuration option or anything else I can do to correct this.
 I did not find a bug that seems to relate with this, can anybody confirm
 this behaviour?

korganizer has its own timezone setting.  Did  you configure this?

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Kontact- Calendar-import

2006-12-03 Thread Richard Bos
Op zondag 3 december 2006 14:37, schreef Peter Buschbacher:
 Am Sonntag, 3. Dezember 2006 14:24 schrieb Richard Bos:
  Op zondag 3 december 2006 14:14, schreef Peter Buschbacher:
   Is there a configuration option or anything else I can do to correct
   this. I did not find a bug that seems to relate with this, can anybody
   confirm this behaviour?
 
  korganizer has its own timezone setting.  Did  you configure this?

 I just looked, and it was already set to Berlin/Germany as well as entire
 KDE. (And what I would expect, at least before I change it)
 Seems not to be the reason.

Do you have this http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117443 problem?

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Re: [opensuse-factory] ZMD updater hangs at 99%

2006-11-30 Thread Richard Bos
Op donderdag 30 november 2006 20:33, schreef James PEARSON:
  But, on the couple of occasions that it has successfully downloaded  
  and installed everything, the Software Aktualisierung (Software  
  Update in English?) window hangs at 99%  finishing.

 I had the same problem (window hangs at 99% finishing) on the 32-bit
 installation on my T60 Thinkpad when I ran the update and it
 installed 3 new Firefox packages.

 I finally gave up and rebooted.

This is a serious problem.  I know people that switched from suse to another 
distribution, because of the update problems.  Software updates are hopefully 
again fast, reliable and without trouble in the next release.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Call for testing: New kernel released for 10.2

2006-11-28 Thread Richard Bos
Op dinsdag 28 november 2006 11:11, schreef Robby (M9.):
 Andreas Jaeger schreef:
  We just released a new kernel package that contains the latest fixes
  via online update for 10.2.
 
  Please install it on your systems and report if you have any new
  problems.
 
  The major changes since the RC1 kernel are:
  * a couple of fixes in the SATA area
  * Disabling of the This module is unsupported by Novell warnings
  * Support for Intel 965 DRM
  * Add acpi_user_timer_override for Asus boards
  * Fixes for Xen

 I did the install, but nothing was installed, (/boot too small), but
 there was no fault message..

Is /boot really too small, or is that miscalculated by yast, see:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=222556


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Re: [opensuse-factory] Call for testing: New kernel released for 10.2

2006-11-28 Thread Richard Bos
Op dinsdag 28 november 2006 10:40, schreef Andreas Jaeger:
 We just released a new kernel package that contains the latest fixes
 via online update for 10.2.

 Please install it on your systems and report if you have any new
 problems.

 The major changes since the RC1 kernel are:
 * a couple of fixes in the SATA area
 * Disabling of the This module is unsupported by Novell warnings
 * Support for Intel 965 DRM
 * Add acpi_user_timer_override for Asus boards
 * Fixes for Xen

 Andreas

What's the url to use to test this update.  Is it opensuse current, something 
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[opensuse-factory] Random hangup

2006-11-28 Thread Richard Bos
While using konqueror on suse10.2rc1 and attempting to login to a website, the 
system just hung!  I have the same phenomenon on suse10.1 and hoped that this 
would not happen anymore on suse10.2.  It is actually on 2 different systems.  
It's very annoying that these hangups happen.  I have no debug data, so it is 
hard to so what is causing this.  Perhaps others encounter the sam behaviour?

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Random hangup

2006-11-28 Thread Richard Bos
Op dinsdag 28 november 2006 21:36, schreef Richard Bos:
 While using konqueror on suse10.2rc1 and attempting to login to a website,
 the system just hung!  I have the same phenomenon on suse10.1 and hoped
 that this would not happen anymore on suse10.2.  It is actually on 2
 different systems. It's very annoying that these hangups happen.  I have no
 debug data, so it is hard to so what is causing this.  Perhaps others
 encounter the sam behaviour?

Alright, it happened again :(  Now while opening a pdf document from the 
web...  Konqueror shows the dialog with the question what program to use 
(or similar), and that's it.  System hangs..

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Random hangup

2006-11-28 Thread Richard Bos
Op dinsdag 28 november 2006 22:33, schreef Andras Mantia:
 If one of the above solves the hangs, then it is possible to find what
 is the problem, but with the information you gave, it is impossible.

I know that the information is not sufficient, but perhaps others see this too 
and than we might have something in common.  The system must be reboot 
(reset) to get it back to live.

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[opensuse-factory] ext3 140GB takes 23 min

2006-11-26 Thread Richard Bos
Is it normal that it takes 23 min to format a 140GB partitioan with ext3?  I 
can't remember that I encountered such long partitioning times with 
resiserfs.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Massive Feature Request of new Yast Modules for 10.3

2006-11-25 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 25 november 2006 19:35, schreef Alexey Eremenko:
 What do you think ?

open bug reports (type = enhancement) and see what you get (let voting 
decide).

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Re: [opensuse-factory] sax2 files in /tmp

2006-11-23 Thread Richard Bos
Op donderdag 23 november 2006 13:06, schreef Felix Miata:
 What and when is responsible for cleaning /tmp? In particular, I
 currently have 146 directories named isax.* in /tmp dated from 26 Oct to
 22 Nov, most probably from working/following several video bugs. Among
 them: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=204324
 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=204468
 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=221987
 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=222480
 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=222503

 There are also several YaST2*, sax2* and xorg.conf.* dated from previous
 boots.

 I know I can delete them manually, but shouldn't something be keeping
 /tmp from growing without apparent limit? Is this a sax2 bug that needs
 to be filed?

in yast there is an option to clean up directories.  Goto yast - system - 
etc/sysconfig editor - system - cron.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Packagage Groupings - From Selections in 10.1 to Patterns in 10.2

2006-07-25 Thread Richard Bos
Op dinsdag 25 juli 2006 18:49, schreef Klaus Kaempf:
 Patterns is about the ability to group packages for better overview
 and handling, mostly at the UI level. Its an abstraction level.

 However, I do agree that some kind of public 'pattern database' would
 be nice in order to find duplicates and overlaps.

Is it perhaps comparable to Categories in desktop files?
/usr/share/applications # grep Categories *desktop | head
MozillaFirefox.desktop:Categories=Application;Network;WebBrowser;X-Ximian-Main;X-Ximian-Toplevel;GTK
Xkill.desktop:Categories=X-SuSE-DesktopUtility
Xrefresh.desktop:Categories=X-SuSE-DesktopUtility
YaST.desktop:Categories=SystemSetup;X-SuSE-Core-System
base.desktop:Categories=Office;Database;
calc.desktop:Categories=Office;Spreadsheet;
draw.desktop:Categories=Graphics;VectorGraphics;

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Idea for SuSEfirewall2

2006-06-30 Thread Richard Bos
Op vrijdag 30 juni 2006 08:41, schreef Pascal Bleser:
   summaryXMPP/Jabber/summary
   description
     Open these ports to allow communication with an
     XMPP/Jabber server hosted in your network.
   /description
   ports
     port proto=udp port=5222 /
     port-range proto=tcp range=5222-5223/
   /ports
 susefirewall2-service
 ---8
 (of course, it should be capable of being localized)

Perhaps with:
summary lang=XX_xxXMPP/Jabber/summary
description lang=XX_xx
   Open these ports to allow communication with an
   XMPP/Jabber server hosted in your network.
/description

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Re: [opensuse-packaging] Fwd: ekiga schemes

2006-06-22 Thread Richard Bos
Op donderdag 22 juni 2006 14:00, schreef Quentin Denis:
 does anyone have an idea what is wrong with that? got serveral complaints
 but on my system it works fine:

Additionally I have as last command in my %post section:
# The kill is needed, to prevent the user to reboot the whole system!
pkill gconfd || true

(This is for gramps in home:/rbos)

Or have your users reboot the computer, it works often to get this working 
correctly Only needed till someone finds the rootcause of course ;)

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Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2006-06-05 Thread Richard Bos
Op maandag 5 juni 2006 08:58, schreef jdd:
 could we have an alias (or something similar) between
 suse-linux-e and something like
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 may be part of the problem comes from the name. suse-linux-e
 may be understood, like all the others suse.com lists, as
 Novell specifics or pre-opensuse SUSE Linux distributions
 (up to 9.3)

 unifying the names should enhance the system.

Hmmm,  opensuse-linux-e?

But, as we experience people think that this is the _technical_list.  So, 
let this list grow to be the technical list and as has been proposed before 
create a new list opensuse-community.  Come'n, opensuse is the a techical 
project and as such I (and many others as can be experienced) expect _this_ 
list to be about technical issues.

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Re: [opensuse] SuSE-watcher/ksmarttray

2006-06-04 Thread Richard Bos
Op zondag 4 juni 2006 00:34, schreef Pascal Bleser:
  I think that the buildserver could build/create a channel rpm for each
  project and have those stored in a central place.  This would be a good
  start.

 It won't be in a central place, unfortunately.

In my phrase above, I referred to the projects that are build on the 
buildserver.  I mean if the packages are allowed to be build on the 
buildserver, they are allowed to be distributed by by opensuse.  Or are these 
2 different animals?

If all sofrtware build on the buildserver is allowed to be distributed by 
novell/opensuse, than it is also possible to create smart channel files/rpms 
for each of the projects hosted on the buildserver.  Once an rpm is created 
it can be stored/movedto a common directory on the buildserver.

 It could be done for repositories that don't contain stuff like mad or
 lame (which discards my repository and Packman, at the very least), like
 latest mozilla.org packages, latest wine packages by Marcus, latest
 OpenOffice.org packages, etc...

 But the other ones must be hosted elsewhere.

See above.  It's about the software provided via the buildserver.  At the end 
it may result in 2 'smart-channel' repositories.  One at the buildserver and 
another 1 hosted somewhere else, providing smart-channel rpms that are not 
possible to host on the buildserver.

 Note that this structure would make it possible to host the/my smart
 RPMs in the openSUSE Build Service.
 I was very reluctant to the idea, and I'm still pretty sure it is going
 to make things more difficult for end-users but well... dunno... I'll
 think about it ;)

 The point is that to install e.g. smart-channel-packman, you'll have to
 add the Packman repository in the first place, because it won't be
 hosted in the Build Service... chicken vs egg.

No, it will be different.  Assume that there are 2 smart-channel directories 
(buildserver, and e.g. at packman).  You should include those 2 channels by 
default in your smart rpm.  The only thing the user now has to do to add 
packman is:

smart install smart-channel-packman and packman is added :)

In the same swing, one can execute:
smart install smart-channel-bs-home:rbos (bs = buildserver)

ps: is this discussion okay to be held here (opensuse = community) or should 
it be moved to somewhere else?

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Using LVM by default for new installations?

2006-06-03 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 3 juni 2006 01:48, schreef Pascal Bleser:
 I don't recall 100%, but from what I remember: when you want to combine
 RAID1 and LVM, in YaST2, you first have to create the RAID1 (obviously).
 Then, don't assign it (/dev/md0) anywhere ! It is assigned by default
 AFAICR, so you have to explicitly remove the assignments. Then go to LVM
 and there are a few glitches with selecting RAID1 as a PV for LVM too..
 I think... sorry, can't explain it in detail, I just had to jump through
 a few hoops and don't remember it.

Yep, see: http://susewiki.org/index.php?title=Raid_and_LVM
Are there bug reportts?

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Re: [opensuse] SuSE-watcher/ksmarttray

2006-06-03 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 3 juni 2006 15:45, schreef Pascal Bleser:
  The idea behind this is to be able to add a channel using the command:
  smart --install channel-whatever name

 It's even easier to provide .channel files somewhere (like the .repo
 files in the Build Service), and just do

 smart channel --add http:///guru.channel
 smart channel --add http:///packman.channel

Not sure whether this is easier from a user perspective.  In your case the 
user needs to remember the url pointing to the channel repository.  In my 
proposal it is not needed to remember this.  One could for example use 
smart's functionality to find the channel rpm.  Once the correct rpm 
(providing the desired channel), just execute 'smart install channel-name'.  
Or the more lazy type of user could execute 'smart install '*name*.' and 
have the channel installed that way.  The only requirement is to have all 
channel rpms in a common place.  Just like the rpmkey rpms that I maintain at 
the moment.

Your proposal just a *.channel repository is easier from a packager 
perspective, as there is not rpm needed.
The advantage of having the channel files in an rpm, is that those gets 
updated automatically when the corresponding channel file gets updated.  This 
is the same for the rpmkey rpms.

The best place to host those channel rpms are of course suse itself as they 
get than mirrored automatically.  But as you already stated that might not be 
possible due to law implications.

I think that the buildserver could build/create a channel rpm for each project 
and have those stored in a central place.  This would be a good start.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Using LVM by default for new installations?

2006-06-02 Thread Richard Bos
Op vrijdag 2 juni 2006 19:06, schreef houghi:
  Yes, that's how it works. LVM scans the disk for existing volumes and
  the YaST2 LVM frontend lists these similar to already existing
  partitions. You can assign these to new mount points without formatting.

 One last question. So the only risk is that if one disk breaks, all your
 data is gone.

The LVM will most likely be on 1 disk (for home systems).  The the early days 
disk were small and than LVM was used to obtain bigger file systems.  
Nowadays disks are big enough and LVM is used for convenience to be able to 
resize partition.  1 disadvantage by introducing LVM is another layer that 
can break.  I use LVM as well, and when I have to do something with it, I 
always have to look up the commands as I never remember these

   If so, then by all means. Pitty it was not clear when it was decided to
   go to / and /home, Would have een great to do at the same time and
   would have stopped the part where people said to also have a seperate
   /opt, /srv, /var, /boot, /whatever.
 
  It really depends what purpose the system is used for. For a server,
  this might make sense. For a desktop workstation, I think a separation
  between the root file system and /home should be sufficient.

 Many people will have something like /music or /Pr0n that they share with
 otheres and thus not place it in /home
 To me it is not completely clear where in fhs you should place user data
 that you share with others. If Alice, Ben and Carl want to listen to music
 each of them has, where should you place that? `man hier` tells me that
 /usr should be read only. So you can't add music without root permission.
 /home is for the users and I do not want others snooping in my directory.
 I see nothing that is specificaly to share data.

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Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 27 mei 2006 17:37, schreef Pascal Bleser:
 apt-rpm - Richard is a big fan of it, maybe you'd
 like to make a case for it ;)).

:)

Pascal, what do you mean with you'd like to make a case for it?
What case?  Do you refer to me or to the some of the previous posters?


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Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 27 mei 2006 18:58, schreef Thomas Meindl:
 Maybe I missed a point till now, but can any of these package managers
 store the downloaded packages locally?

apt can do this ;)

E.g. you build your own package that is of course stored locally.  Install the 
package with 'apt install rpm name'.  Apt will install the app and when it 
requires other pkgs they'll be retrieved from the repository.

Another nice is to install based on file name, like:
apt install /usr/bin/smart 

apt will investigate which package provides  /usr/bin/smart  and will install 
that one :0

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Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 27 mei 2006 19:07, schreef houghi:
 E.g. Yast Online Update was able

  to do this till SUSE 10.0 and it was easy to create a personalized patch
  CD. It would save bandwidth an time (and lots of my nerves) if it was
  possible to store the packages and repository data on my HD.  Can
  anybody give me a hint if it is possible?

 This would also be nice not only for updates, but RPM's in general. e.g. I
 can download MPlayer and all that is needed into /usr/src/packages/RPMS/*
 and can use that as a base for other machines (or whatever)

I guess all pkg mgr will store their downloaded rpms.  APT does this 
in /var/cache/apt/archives, yast and samrt will do this somewhere else.  
Those archives can be used for other machines as well.  In my 
case  /var/cache/apt/archives is nfs mounted to different machines and as 
such the cache is shared among different machine automatically.  It would be 
nice if all pkg managers would use the same cache.

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