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Context Root.
I'd like to ask a trival question. How is the context-root tag in the META-INF/applications.xml file used ? I initially thought it was used to refer to the website url (based on the Reference Implementation's deployment) but that has apparently been covered by orion's own deployment settings in config/default-web-site.xml. Of all the applications I've deployed on orion, that tag has never seemed to be put into effect. What is it used for then ?
SV: Dynamic finders
Title: SV: Dynamic finders Yes. If you want to go pure, you could do something like: a) get them all and then filter them in your code b) get the largest hit first, then filter them with the collections returned by your other finders (requires one finder per dynamic value of original query). This filterting should probably be located in a Session bean. c) generate finder methods for all possible queries and have a Session bean select the one you want Having been in your shoes, I dropped religion and went with tech. :) WR -Ursprungligt meddelande- Frn: Dvornikov Victor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Skickat: den 10 juni 2001 00:03 Till: Orion-Interest mne: RE: Dynamic finders Although it may be technically correct, but from conceptual database modeling point of view the comparison ($1 is null... ) is questionable. -Original Message- From: Magnus Rydin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: ??? 08 2001 14:37 To: Orion-Interest Subject: SV: Dynamic finders something like .. ($1 is null OR $1=$field) AND ... -Ursprungligt meddelande- Fran: Stefan Paun [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Skickat: den 8 juni 2001 07:16 Till: Orion-Interest Amne: Dynamic finders Does anybody have a solution for implementing a finder that takes some parameters, but searches taking into account only the ones that are not null? Basically, this would be used to support a search page in which the user can choose to fill or not some fields of the search criteria. I know that probably the best way to do this is using a Session Bean and JDBC, but is there a way to implement it using CMP Entity finders (in EJB1.1)? Thanks, Stefan
ORDER BY clause in finder-method query
Has anyone else noticed that if you now put an ORDER BY clause in the finder method query, it is totally ignored. We've just gone from Orion 1.3.8 where it worked fine, to 1.5.2 where it no longer works. There was some discussion back in March (see http://www.mail-archive.com/orion-interest@orionserver.com/msg11816.html) that putting ORDER BY clauses into the finder-method query was futile because (quote): The reason it has worked for you so far is because your container has used an instance of java.util.ArrayList/LinkedList, which indeed does guarantee order. But CMP Entity EJB's finder methods do not return java.util.List's! They return java.util.Collection. Your functionality will break when the container changes it's implementation. The question is, have the Orion team changed the implementation and therefore removed what I consider to be a quite powerful feature of CMP finder methods?
JMS question: How to connect to a remote host
Hi folks, I'm just tring out the JMSChat sample. I'm want to run it from another host as the orion server is running. But this seems not possible since I got the following error message Communication error: Unable to connect to JMSServer (localhost/127.0.0.1:9127): Connection refused: So is there a Property or method which I can use to connect to another host. THX MArcus
Orion on Solaris 8
Hi, I'm having two problems with Orion (1.4.5) on Solaris 8 with JDK 1.3.1 a) I'm unable to set the process into the background. As soon as I log off from the SSH session the Orion process gets killed. Startup is done by calling: nohup java -server -jar -Xconcurrentio -Xms128m -Xmx384m orion.jar -out $ORION_SERVER/log/server-out.log -err $ORION_SERVER/log/server-err.log b) All German specific vocales (Umlaute) are shown as a ? only. Maybe someone has some ideas ? TIA Joerg Weishaupt
Re: How do i cache a JSP on the proxy?
Kesav Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. Oscache provides a proxy independent caching solution. This is nice and once can have programtically control over the caching. The only drawback(or good for some one) in the current implementation is all caching is memory based. All the caching is done in memory and optionally file. Well, this not lowering the number of requests on the application server. My goal is to lower the number of request on the application server, for the pages, which are made with jsp, but change hardly ever. I would like to use the proxy for this use, so that the application-server doesnt even get the requests. (We have a proxy there, so why not use it in our favour) I know that oscache speeds up the whole thing :), since we agreed to use that one inside our jsp pages. (or i must miss something, that oscache is setting headers and stuff like that, but as far as i can see, it simply caches the body tag result.. ) -- Eduard Witteveen Systeem Ontwikkelaar NOS Internet, Mediacentrum Kamer 203 +31(0)356773059 http://www.omroep.nl/ Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? : The sixth Satire from Juvenal
Unable to get ejb session timeouts working
Hello, There has been some discussions on session timeouts indicating that the timeout property should be changed from the default value 1800 to any other value (in seconds) in the orion-ejb-jar.xml file. I have tried this (values 1, 10 and 100 and lots of other things) but non of my stateful session beans will timeout. Does anyone have a clue why this could be? Is there another setting to enable orion to check timeouts or so?? Any help would be appreciated very much!!! Thanks, Erwin Teseling Vipe, your connection to the world (www.vipe.nl)
RE: Oracle deal gag
I apologize to the group for responding in kind to a personal flame that was off topic. I am well aware it's off topic, but you and Jeff made a personal attack. As usual, you have avoided the facts. I'm happy to take this one off line with you, just as soon as you publicly apologize for your personal, public attack on me. I can back up everything I stated. Until you dispute one fact that I wrote, I suggest you are the ones in the fantasy world. So, I challenge you here and now to dispute one of those facts, or apologize publicly. At 11:47 PM 6/10/01 -0400, you wrote: Well, you're kinda asking for it, but your credentials clearly show why you're so paranoid and are on very, umm, thin ground when it comes to mental well being. We've all tried presenting the facts to you regarding the Oracle deal, but all we seem to be getting in respose is a descent into your own personal madness. How about summing up the problems you have in a few short lines that won't cause cynics like me to laugh or respond so unpleasantly? If you had legitimate concerns that made people think 'ohyeah!' then I'm sure you'd get a suitably well considered reply. I wouldn't hold my breath though for any kind of 'official' reply as you've shown them why they should never reply to people on this list. Hani On Sun, 10 Jun 2001, Jay Armstrong wrote: Even paranoid people have enemies. I've never suggested a conspiracy. The response I got from Karl was an immediate reaction to my comment that their testing was done for free. Now testing/bug reporting by the open community will directly help Oracle. Try dealing with facts. Six months ago, Karl stated they were hiring more people. There have been several threads about their lack of support since then. They still have only hired, maybe, a few (one?) additional employees. They seem to have no interest in collecting for production licenses. Out of the blue comes a deal with Oracle and they don't even announce it on the site. But since you think you're so frigging smart, let's compare our knowledge of the US intelligence community. My brother-in-law broke the code for the Unabomber's diary. No kidding. Check it out for yourself. His name is Mike Birch. He's retired US Navy and now an FBI cryptographer. He lives in Glen Bernie, MD, just outside Baltimore. You want his phone number? He was to testify in California, just before the Unabomber confessed. (see http://www.cnn.com/US/9712/27/unabomb.diary/) Mike's married to Florence Erolin, my wife's sister. I named our corporation Erolin, Inc after their family name. I assure you, the US intelligence community monitors the web constantly, and not just for viruses. They do tap phones. They do forge documents, etc, etc etc. From 1986 to the early 90's, I held a Top Secret SBI clearance in the US Air Force and was a security manager and foreign disclosure officer. When I managed the sale of $300M of F-16 jet engines to Egypt, there was a sizeable fund (millions) for bribes. I've talked to people in military intelligence who monitor phones for a living. What are your credentials, dumbass? I also have contacts in the World Bank. Ever hear of them? Are you stupid enough to think that they just give out charity loans to struggling countries? My wife dated a CIA employee overseas who worked at a front company in her country. His job was to psychologically evaluate returning field agents. I wonder why they might need psychological help? Are you suggesting that the US intelligence community (CIA, FBI and NSA) are not monitoring Web communications? You probably think they don't fly spy planes near China, send classified satellites up on the space shuttle, have the ability to tell you what kind of cigarette you're smoking from a satellite 90 miles above you, destroy the economies of countries, etc. Surprise! They've been doing that and more for many years. You probably don't believe corporate espionage exists, either. Seriously, smartass, I'd like a 'yes' or 'no' answer from you: do you really think the CIA doesn't monitor the web? Sorry about going off topic, but I'd like to avoid sarcasm and, please, just address the facts about the Oracle deal. At 02:30 PM 6/10/01 -0700, you wrote: From: Jay Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [...paranoia...] Have you ever considered that maybe your communications are being intercepted and preprocessed by a CIA computer? Do you hear clicking noises every time you pick up the phone? You have accidentally sumbled across The Swedish Conspiracy. Ironflare is actually a front company for arms smuggling: It is a little known fact that Larry Ellison converted to a radical reactionary Islamic sect recently. Oracle purchases app servers from Ironflare, Ironflare uses the money to purchase Kalishnakov rifles from nearby Russia, and a renegade CIA group smuggles them into Afghanistan to support the
SV: Unable to get ejb session timeouts working
Title: SV: Unable to get ejb session timeouts working How did you test this? My guess is that SessionBeans won't be passivated nor removed if you hold a reference(s) to it. -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Erwin Teseling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Skickat: den 11 juni 2001 12:10 Till: Orion-Interest Ämne: Unable to get ejb session timeouts working Hello, There has been some discussions on session timeouts indicating that the timeout property should be changed from the default value 1800 to any other value (in seconds) in the orion-ejb-jar.xml file. I have tried this (values 1, 10 and 100 and lots of other things) but non of my stateful session beans will timeout. Does anyone have a clue why this could be? Is there another setting to enable orion to check timeouts or so?? Any help would be appreciated very much!!! Thanks, Erwin Teseling Vipe, your connection to the world (www.vipe.nl)
Re: JMS question: How to connect to a remote host
What does it take to unsubscribe from this group ? I have followed the instructions, but I am still getting email. Thanks Travis - Original Message - From: Marcus Lachmanez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 5:36 AM Subject: JMS question: How to connect to a remote host Hi folks, I'm just tring out the JMSChat sample. I'm want to run it from another host as the orion server is running. But this seems not possible since I got the following error message Communication error: Unable to connect to JMSServer (localhost/127.0.0.1:9127): Connection refused: So is there a Property or method which I can use to connect to another host. THX MArcus
RE: Oracle deal gag
We've all tried presenting the facts to you regarding the Oracle deal, but all we seem to be getting in respose is a descent into your own personal madness. How about summing up the problems you have in a few short lines that won't cause cynics like me to laugh or respond so unpleasantly? Hani In spite of your personal attacks on my mental condition, I will try one more time to deal with facts and give yet another summary. Before doing so, let me state that yesterday I made a third attempt to post my response to Karl. I also sent it directly to Mike Cannon-Brookes asking him to post it. So, three times now I've tried. Let me ask you and the group, how many times must I try and fail to post that message before you will believe that it's getting blocked? Seriously, just pick a number and I'll try that many times. Here's the summary: - 6 months ago (Dec 7), Karl stated, resources will initially be spent more on building the organization and hiring the right people than would be necessary if we didn't make the expansion. - Since then, there have been several threads about lack of support: www.orionserver.com down again (Dec 13), What's going on with Orion? (Jan 4), Is the List alive? (Jan 4), Any news from Orion yet?? (Jan 15), Orion Team Needs New List Software (Mar 14), Impossible getting the attention of the orion (support) team. Are they still around? (Mar 19), Is the list dead? (Apr 25) - Since then, hiring the right people has not occurred. - On Apr 18, Randy Kemp suggested Ironflare contact MySQL, which is also in Sweden (A Swedish Idea). Like me, Randy was ridiculed by people, like Hani, who used terms such as bizarre, this whole ridiculous discussion and fairy tale. - On Apr 23, I reported a production licensing violation directly to Karl. He did not respond. - On Apr 24, I reported the production licensing violation to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Karl responded, stating, We'll check into it. - On May 8, I asked Karl for a status on the licensing violation, but to date, have gotten no response. - On Jun 6, Bryan Young posted the following to this group: I just read about Orion being used as the base code for their 9i app server. - On Jun 6, I responded, refering to the A Swedish Idea thread and stating, I TOLD YOU SO. I also stated, I admire the way they've managed to build a decent product without having to hire testers. - On Jun 7, the day after my post, Karl responded via orion-interest, stating, We've never been in it for the money, but that doesn't mean that you can survive in this society forever without having any money. - On Jun 7, I tried to respond to Karl via orion-interest. - On Jun 8, I made my second attempt to respond to Karl via orion-interest. - On Jun 10, I made my third attempt to respond to Karl via orion-interest. - I have tried three times to post my response to Karl, and been called mentally unstable for suggesting that they might be blocking negative comments. - Neither Ironflare nor Oracle have ever really announced their relationship. It's not announced at www.orionserver.com. Go to http://www.oracle.com and look at their JavaOne pages and search for Orion. It's buried in the user manual, but not announced. So, my conclusions are: - Ironflare/Evermind has not hired testers or other staff as promised 6 months ago. They don't have to, because the user community does all of that (and more) for them. - Ironflare is in it, at least in part, for big money; otherwise, they would have collected from the production license violator. - Ironflare will leave you hanging if you report license violations. - Ironflare may be censoring messages. I can't lay it out much better than that. So, attack one of these facts and quit challenging my mental condition. From the asylum, Jay
Re: Simple Clustering Question
Hello All, I just thought I'd send this to explain to people who are having trouble understanding how to set up the default web app clustering and exactly how a broadcast IP is set up. I am a newbie to Orion Server and got 4 machines to act as a cluster after some advice from Lachezar! I'd like to thank Lachezar and Juan and for their help on the Orion interest mailing list. Before You Start The Servers. You need to have a broadcast network address for all the machines on your cluster, this could mean having to have an extra network card configured for that broadcast IP address or configuring you network card to listen to a broadcast ip address in addition to the hosts ip. The default broadcast ip for Orion is 230.0.0.1, so you'll need to change the setting in orion/application-deployments/default/defaultWebApp/orion-web.xml if you want to use a different broadcast ip address and port number. Then you can follow the document: Enabling Web-Clustering in Orion Oisin Enabling Web-Clustering in Orion Setting up the server 1. Install orion and start it. 2. Edit the orion/application-deployments/default/defaultWebApp/orion-web.xml file and add: cluster-config / 3. Repeat 1 and 2 for another (or more) box(es).To test: 1. Go to http://box1/servlet/SessionServlet. Reload a few times. 2. Go to http://box2/servlet/SessionServlet;jsessionid=ID YOU GET ON YOUR BOX1 SCREEN. The counter should be the same as for the other box (box1).To put this into production: On Sunday 10 June 2001 12:08, you wrote: Hi. you need a switch which has multicast enabled; (most ethernet switchs have this capability, some just don't have it enabled) That is not true. Multicast is a network service. It is of type send-on-receive-anyone. That means, that one packet is send and it is received by anyone, listening to that multicast IP/PORT. If you have an Ethernet, than you have the Multicast ability. Routing multicast packets is a different question. Having one, or more Ethernet networks, connected with dumb equipment (HUBs, SWITHCHes, REPEATERs) also gives the multicast routing. Internet multicast routings is somehow more complicated. It is enough to say, that if you have a single dumb ethernet connection between your boxes is enough for the Orion multicast clustering to work. Of course all the boxes have to be configured to use one and the same Multicast IP and one and the same PORT. That's it. Lachezar. Hi, I've spent the last while trying to get clustering to work with orion server 1.5.2 without success. First I tried to follow the instructions at http-clustering-howto.html from the documentation, it said: Setting up the server 1. Install orion and start it. 2. Edit the orion/application-deployments/default/defaultWebApp/orion-web.xml file and add: cluster-config / 3. Repeat 1 and 2 for another (or more) box(es). But when I tried to connect to the server, the server let me know that the file /orion/default-web-app/WEB-INF/web.xml hadn't got the tag distributable/ in it. I then added this tag to all servers /orion/default-web-app/WEB-INF/web.xml file in the cluster, and tried again, this time they actually ran the SessionServlet but as if they were being run individually, i.e. the session wasn't shared as it was supposed to be, I did remember to append ;jsessionid=ID YOU GET ON YOUR BOX1 SCREEN to it and tried both leaving the angle brackets in and out. I know I must be doing some thing wrong but I can't find it, I'd really appreciate some help. I noticed in the http-clustering.html that in the clustering it mentions the default for multicast host/ip to transmit and receive cluster data on is 230.0.0.1, port number 9127, does this mean I have to have a network card listening on this IP/port? What exactly is a network with operational multicast facilities, is plain 100Mbs ethernet running on linux OK? Thanks, Oisin Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1; name=Attachment: 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description:
Re: NEWBIE: Default HTTP Content-Type
Well, you could probably use a filter to just that... Have the filter trigger a servlet which reads the file and sets the content type. Johan - Original Message - From: Norbert Papke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 7:03 PM Subject: NEWBIE: Default HTTP Content-Type I have just started to play around with the Orion server and am very impressed by it. Installation and configuration was a snap, performance and footprint are great. I have, however, noticed one ideosyncracy that I hope somebody will be able to help me with. I have some text files on my site that are part of a knowledge base. These files contain only ASCII characters, the excute permissions are not set, and the files do not have an extension. The Orion server delivers these files with an HTTP content type set to application/octet-stream. Apache delivers these same files with a content type of text/plain. The latter is preferable to me as it allows browsers to render the files. Is there any way to change the content type that Orion uses to deliver these files? Please note that changing the files (either by converting them to html or adding a file extension) is not really an option. Best regard, -- Norbert Papke. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.
On a different note concerning the Oracle deal: I wasn't at JavaOne, but I've been reading all about it on the web. One news story that I've seen a lot about is Larry Ellison and Bill Coleman's little fight. Oracle has put Orion in the big leagues... I mean, Karl could have produced all sorts of documentation that said Orion is better then Weblogic, but BEA would have paid it no attention. However, when Oracle says Oracle is better then Weblogic, BEA certainly takes notice! I consider this a great victory for Ironflare, the J2EE community, and every single young person hacking away in his garage. This proves it--a few talented and committed developers can accomplish anything they set their minds too. I think Larry Ellison said it best, when, at JavaOne, he said We have thrown out literally all of our old Java code. The reason we threw away all of our old J2EE implementations is we had to build a high performance, scaleable version of J2EE. We think that this is a huge breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single biggest threat to Java, which is performance. And we, all of us on this list, know what Larry Ellison was really saying... We replaced all our old Java code with the code from a small Swedish company called Ironflare. The reason we threw away all of our old J2EE implementations was that, plain and simple, these two Swedish guys are studs, and had managed to build a high performance, scaleable version of J2EE when we had largely failed internally. We think that this is a huge breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single biggest threat to Java, which is performance. -LARRY ELLISON CEO, ORACLE Now, that is sweet!
Re: JMS question: How to connect to a remote host
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Re: Oracle deal gag
Wrong, it is not CIA, but the Borg who have intercepted and censored some messages. That also explains the delay on this list, since a subspace call takes a while to travel. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. Johan - Original Message - From: Jeff Schnitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 11:30 PM Subject: RE: Oracle deal gag From: Jay Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [...paranoia...] Have you ever considered that maybe your communications are being intercepted and preprocessed by a CIA computer? Do you hear clicking noises every time you pick up the phone? You have accidentally sumbled across The Swedish Conspiracy. Ironflare is actually a front company for arms smuggling: It is a little known fact that Larry Ellison converted to a radical reactionary Islamic sect recently. Oracle purchases app servers from Ironflare, Ironflare uses the money to purchase Kalishnakov rifles from nearby Russia, and a renegade CIA group smuggles them into Afghanistan to support the Taliban. Magnus and Karl are ficticious identities; in fact their names are acronyms for Make Arms Gifts Neglecting Upgrading Software and Keep Armstrong's Replies Limited. Now that you have now exposed yourself and your knowledge, the Men In Black will be coming for you soon. Good luck! Jeff Schnitzer
Re: Unitialized Register
Hmmm, sounds like a VM bug... - Original Message - From: James Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 9:34 PM I have a really odd problem with jikes/orion (1.5.2 orion, 1.14 jikes). I have a particular JSP page that will give the following error: Error parsing JSP page /hunting/today/article.jsp Error creating jsp-page instance: java.lang.VerifyError: (class: __jspPage0_hunting_today_article_jsp, method: _jspService signature: (Ljavax/servlet/http/HttpServletRequest;Ljavax/servlet/http/HttpServletRespo nse;)V) Accessing value from uninitialized register 24 It only gives me this error if have jikes turned on and I have development mode (orion-web.xml) turned off. Any other combination seems to work fine (but slower). Thanks! James Hill
Re: How do i cache a JSP on the proxy?
Title: RE: How do i cache a JSP on the proxy?
what about
%
if (
(System.currentTimeMillis()/1000) % 15
)
counter = 0
;
%
That is, you first make sure
that the time is rounded down to closest second and see if that is divisable by
15, and then resetting counter
Or did I completely misunderstand you?
Johan
From: Kesav Kumar
To: Orion-Interest
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 12:03
AM
Subject: RE: How do i cache a JSP on the
proxy?
Yes. Oscache provides a proxy independent caching
solution. This is nice and once can have programtically control over the
caching. The only drawback(or good for some one) in the current
implementation is all caching is memory based. All the caching is done
in memory and optionally file.
Kesav Kumar Software Engineer
Voquette, Inc. 650 356 3740
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.voquette.com Voquette...Delivering Sound Information
-Original Message- From: Stan
Ng [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 12:15 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: How do i cache
a JSP on the proxy?
This is slightly off-topic, but you may want to look into
OpenSymphony's OSCache module. It provides a
variety of caching options for JSP and it's been
working great for us here.
- Original Message - From:
"Eduard Witteveen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 7:22 AM Subject: How do i cache a JSP on the proxy?
Hello, I want to cache a jsp page on the proxy (apache). My current setup is that i have
apache running on port 80, with following config: VirtualHost
145.58.67.8
ServerName eduard.omroep.nl ServerAlias eduard ErrorLog /var/proxy/logs/errors
CustomLog /var/proxy/logs/access
common ProxyPass / http://localhost:8080/
CacheRoot "/tmp/proxy"
/VirtualHost
Furthermore the orionserver is running on port 8080, and
has the following 'special' settings: frontend host="eduard.omroep.nl" port="80" /
For the testing purposes i
have the following jsp page: %@ page
session="false" % %! int counter = 0;
% %! // return a time
back, which is +15 seconds.. public long
getLastModified(HttpServletRequest request) {
System.out.println("in last modified");
// return 15 seconds..
return System.currentTimeMillis() * (15 * 1000) ; } %
% long seconds =
15; long now =
System.currentTimeMillis(); long expires = now + (seconds *
1000); response.setDateHeader("Expires",
expires);
System.out.println("in source.." + now + "-" + expires);
% html
body pThis
page was generated on time:%= now %br / Will expire at:%= expires %br / Expire time in seconds:%= seconds %br /
Count:%= counter++ %/p /body /html
Everytime i request the
page, the counter is increased, but this is not what i
want. I want to increased at an maximum of 1 time in the 15 seconds.
Can somebody help me how to accomplish this, or possible
otherways to cache the jsp pages on the front
proxy?
greatings, --
Eduard Witteveen Systeem Ontwikkelaar NOS Internet, Mediacentrum Kamer 203 +31(0)356773059 http://www.omroep.nl/
Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? : The sixth Satire
from Juvenal
Re: java.lang.OutOfMemoryError;
instead of typing java -jar orion.jar at the command line to start orion, you could experiment with java -Xms128m -Xmx256m -jar orion.jar This increases the heap size. The 128 is the initial size, the 256 is the maximum size. The first number could be something like current free memory, and the second one could be something like total memory. - Original Message - From: Puthezhath, Rajeev (TWII Boston) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 11:28 PM Subject: RE: java.lang.OutOfMemoryError; Sorry.I didnt get what you meant.could you please explain Thanks Rajeev -Original Message- From: Juan Lorandi (Chile) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 4:26 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: java.lang.OutOfMemoryError; inline -Original Message- From: Puthezhath, Rajeev (TWII Boston) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Viernes, 08 de Junio de 2001 14:42 To: Orion-Interest Subject: java.lang.OutOfMemoryError; Hi , We get java.lang.OutOfMemoryError; on production server frequetly.I know this problem was discussed in this list before. I implemented all the sugestions in this mailing list but still the error keeps on coming .I would like to know the following 1) As an answer to the above mentioned problem I saw a sugestion in this mailing list to limit the # of instances by adding max-instances attribute to orion-ejb-jar.xml which would force orion to passivate less used beans.I downloaded orion 1.5.2 and set the same.But observed that passivation is never called. Is there a way to make sure that orion passivates beans which are not used . 2) Some people have mentioned increasing the memory. Has any body tried this solution and i would like to know whether the problem got solved.How can I increase the memory ? first, by hardware (buy some chips), secondly, by specifying a minimun/maximun heap size of the JVM when you invoke it these are the ones I use (W2K, Sun's JVM 1.3.0) -Xms128m (minimun heap size 128 MB) -Xmx320m (maximun heap size 320 MB) 3)Has anybody solved this problem ? No. There´s always a limit to the amount of memory available on any given system ;-) Let's hope that(buggy orion code) gets fixed soon- don't forget to cast your vote on Bugzilla, that is, if vote casting is finally enabled Any sugestions Thanks in advance Regards Rajeev
Re: Orion on Solaris 8
inline - Original Message - From: Joerg Weishaupt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 10:54 AM Subject: Orion on Solaris 8 Hi, I'm having two problems with Orion (1.4.5) on Solaris 8 with JDK 1.3.1 a) I'm unable to set the process into the background. As soon as I log off from the SSH session the Orion process gets killed. Startup is done by calling: nohup java -server -jar -Xconcurrentio -Xms128m -Xmx384m orion.jar -out $ORION_SERVER/log/server-out.log -err $ORION_SERVER/log/server-err.log Check orionsupport.com, or use bash. b) All German specific vocales (Umlaute) are shown as a ? only. The shell you are running orion under has to have german language enabled. If you can type a double s at the prompt, then it should be set up correctly. Maybe someone has some ideas ? TIA Joerg Weishaupt Johan
Re: Oracle deal gag
What is your point? Johan - Original Message - From: Jay Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: RE: Oracle deal gag We've all tried presenting the facts to you regarding the Oracle deal, but all we seem to be getting in respose is a descent into your own personal madness. How about summing up the problems you have in a few short lines that won't cause cynics like me to laugh or respond so unpleasantly? Hani In spite of your personal attacks on my mental condition, I will try one more time to deal with facts and give yet another summary. Before doing so, let me state that yesterday I made a third attempt to post my response to Karl. I also sent it directly to Mike Cannon-Brookes asking him to post it. So, three times now I've tried. Let me ask you and the group, how many times must I try and fail to post that message before you will believe that it's getting blocked? Seriously, just pick a number and I'll try that many times. Here's the summary: - 6 months ago (Dec 7), Karl stated, resources will initially be spent more on building the organization and hiring the right people than would be necessary if we didn't make the expansion. - Since then, there have been several threads about lack of support: www.orionserver.com down again (Dec 13), What's going on with Orion? (Jan 4), Is the List alive? (Jan 4), Any news from Orion yet?? (Jan 15), Orion Team Needs New List Software (Mar 14), Impossible getting the attention of the orion (support) team. Are they still around? (Mar 19), Is the list dead? (Apr 25) - Since then, hiring the right people has not occurred. - On Apr 18, Randy Kemp suggested Ironflare contact MySQL, which is also in Sweden (A Swedish Idea). Like me, Randy was ridiculed by people, like Hani, who used terms such as bizarre, this whole ridiculous discussion and fairy tale. - On Apr 23, I reported a production licensing violation directly to Karl. He did not respond. - On Apr 24, I reported the production licensing violation to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Karl responded, stating, We'll check into it. - On May 8, I asked Karl for a status on the licensing violation, but to date, have gotten no response. - On Jun 6, Bryan Young posted the following to this group: I just read about Orion being used as the base code for their 9i app server. - On Jun 6, I responded, refering to the A Swedish Idea thread and stating, I TOLD YOU SO. I also stated, I admire the way they've managed to build a decent product without having to hire testers. - On Jun 7, the day after my post, Karl responded via orion-interest, stating, We've never been in it for the money, but that doesn't mean that you can survive in this society forever without having any money. - On Jun 7, I tried to respond to Karl via orion-interest. - On Jun 8, I made my second attempt to respond to Karl via orion-interest. - On Jun 10, I made my third attempt to respond to Karl via orion-interest. - I have tried three times to post my response to Karl, and been called mentally unstable for suggesting that they might be blocking negative comments. - Neither Ironflare nor Oracle have ever really announced their relationship. It's not announced at www.orionserver.com. Go to http://www.oracle.com and look at their JavaOne pages and search for Orion. It's buried in the user manual, but not announced. So, my conclusions are: - Ironflare/Evermind has not hired testers or other staff as promised 6 months ago. They don't have to, because the user community does all of that (and more) for them. - Ironflare is in it, at least in part, for big money; otherwise, they would have collected from the production license violator. - Ironflare will leave you hanging if you report license violations. - Ironflare may be censoring messages. I can't lay it out much better than that. So, attack one of these facts and quit challenging my mental condition. From the asylum, Jay
Re: JMS question: How to connect to a remote host
Hani, Try again, the mailing list software was down for a couple of days last week(See Jay, other people lost emails too!) Hani I don't think this explains why Karl failed to check out the license violation I reported, to respond to my request for an update on that, or why my three attempts (June 7, 8, and 10) to respond to Karl on the Oracle deal have not shown up. Would you agree that it's possible for both intentional and unintentional blocking to occur? Threads like Orion Team Needs New List Software (Mar 14), almost 3 months ago, apparently have not resulted in a working list. If Orion is distributed with a demo news server, how can they not be able to create one that works on their own? They said they would hire additional staff, but they didn't. If the list server is really the problem, then wouldn't additional staff or a volunteer from the interest group could have solved this long ago? Regarding my sanity and my response to Jeff Schnitzer, I was very pissed off and I forgot that what is commonly known in the intelligence community may seem over the top to private citizens. Again, I apologize to the group and ask forgiveness for losing my temper. I do not believe that Karl and Magnus are part of some ridiculous conspiracy. I think they've made some fabulous business decisions, but also some incredibly stupid ones (like not fulfilling their pledge to hire more staff or supporting me when I reported a license violation). The real purpose of my original message was to get them to acknowledge the free labor they've gotten from the orion community, and to have them encourage Oracle to tap into that (paid, not for free). What's wrong with that? I confess that I also wanted some vindication for my defense of Randy Kemp's A Swedish Idea suggestion, in which I suggested that Karl and Magnus were not just angelic geeks in computer heaven -- they have a profit motive. I see nothing wrong with that. Is there something wrong with me pointing that out? The discussion went off course when I suggested that my response to Saint Karl may have been blocked (i.e., censored). I will apologize immediately and publicly when any one of my three attempts to post that response goes through. I did not publicly discuss the license violation until my sanity and credibility was publicly challenged. So, you and Jeff touched a raw nerve with me. I'd really like for you both to lay off the mental stability cracks. Jay At 09:16 AM 6/11/01 -0400, you wrote: Try again, the mailing list software was down for a couple of days last week(See Jay, other people lost emails too!) Hani On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, tlk wrote: What does it take to unsubscribe from this group ? I have followed the instructions, but I am still getting email. Thanks Travis - Original Message - From: Marcus Lachmanez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 5:36 AM Subject: JMS question: How to connect to a remote host Hi folks, I'm just tring out the JMSChat sample. I'm want to run it from another host as the orion server is running. But this seems not possible since I got the following error message Communication error: Unable to connect to JMSServer (localhost/127.0.0.1:9127): Connection refused: So is there a Property or method which I can use to connect to another host. THX MArcus
RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.
Nathan, A lot of what you're saying is true. I acknowledge that Orion is relatively fast and has some great features (like auto-reconfigure), but I recall that Orion used to claim that it was the fastest J2EE product (or something like that), then had to remove that claim from the orionserver.com site (I think BEA challenged the claim). Also, one of the first questions I get asked when recommending software for clients is about support. It's probably the primary reason why major systems do not rely on open products, or semi-open products like Orion. Yes, Karl and Magnus built a fabulous product, but where's the support (documentation, help desk, etc)? I am not applauding the support for WebLogic, WebsFear, IPlanit, etc, but if I report a problem with WebLogic to BEA, eventually it will filter to the gurus, who will respond (usually they ask for a reconfigure, restart, and a dump). Who will handle this for Orion/Oracle? Karl and Magnus? They rarely respond now, so don't you think they could get even more overwhelmed? Please, point me to where Ellison talked about support. Jay At 09:32 AM 6/11/01 -0500, you wrote: On a different note concerning the Oracle deal: I wasn't at JavaOne, but I've been reading all about it on the web. One news story that I've seen a lot about is Larry Ellison and Bill Coleman's little fight. Oracle has put Orion in the big leagues... I mean, Karl could have produced all sorts of documentation that said Orion is better then Weblogic, but BEA would have paid it no attention. However, when Oracle says Oracle is better then Weblogic, BEA certainly takes notice! I consider this a great victory for Ironflare, the J2EE community, and every single young person hacking away in his garage. This proves it--a few talented and committed developers can accomplish anything they set their minds too. I think Larry Ellison said it best, when, at JavaOne, he said We have thrown out literally all of our old Java code. The reason we threw away all of our old J2EE implementations is we had to build a high performance, scaleable version of J2EE. We think that this is a huge breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single biggest threat to Java, which is performance. And we, all of us on this list, know what Larry Ellison was really saying... We replaced all our old Java code with the code from a small Swedish company called Ironflare. The reason we threw away all of our old J2EE implementations was that, plain and simple, these two Swedish guys are studs, and had managed to build a high performance, scaleable version of J2EE when we had largely failed internally. We think that this is a huge breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single biggest threat to Java, which is performance. -LARRY ELLISON CEO, ORACLE Now, that is sweet!
RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.
J, I am an oracle customer. All you have to do is call support, and they answer questions about orion. They also have good attempt at documentation: http://technet.oracle.com/docs/tech/java/oc4j/htdocs/getstart.htm#1016486 You will have to create an account with otn, but that's pretty easy to do by going to : http://technet.oracle.com/index.html, and clicking the membership link. Its free. Regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jay Armstrong Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 10:22 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note. Nathan, A lot of what you're saying is true. I acknowledge that Orion is relatively fast and has some great features (like auto-reconfigure), but I recall that Orion used to claim that it was the fastest J2EE product (or something like that), then had to remove that claim from the orionserver.com site (I think BEA challenged the claim). Also, one of the first questions I get asked when recommending software for clients is about support. It's probably the primary reason why major systems do not rely on open products, or semi-open products like Orion. Yes, Karl and Magnus built a fabulous product, but where's the support (documentation, help desk, etc)? I am not applauding the support for WebLogic, WebsFear, IPlanit, etc, but if I report a problem with WebLogic to BEA, eventually it will filter to the gurus, who will respond (usually they ask for a reconfigure, restart, and a dump). Who will handle this for Orion/Oracle? Karl and Magnus? They rarely respond now, so don't you think they could get even more overwhelmed? Please, point me to where Ellison talked about support. Jay At 09:32 AM 6/11/01 -0500, you wrote: On a different note concerning the Oracle deal: I wasn't at JavaOne, but I've been reading all about it on the web. One news story that I've seen a lot about is Larry Ellison and Bill Coleman's little fight. Oracle has put Orion in the big leagues... I mean, Karl could have produced all sorts of documentation that said Orion is better then Weblogic, but BEA would have paid it no attention. However, when Oracle says Oracle is better then Weblogic, BEA certainly takes notice! I consider this a great victory for Ironflare, the J2EE community, and every single young person hacking away in his garage. This proves it--a few talented and committed developers can accomplish anything they set their minds too. I think Larry Ellison said it best, when, at JavaOne, he said We have thrown out literally all of our old Java code. The reason we threw away all of our old J2EE implementations is we had to build a high performance, scaleable version of J2EE. We think that this is a huge breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single biggest threat to Java, which is performance. And we, all of us on this list, know what Larry Ellison was really saying... We replaced all our old Java code with the code from a small Swedish company called Ironflare. The reason we threw away all of our old J2EE implementations was that, plain and simple, these two Swedish guys are studs, and had managed to build a high performance, scaleable version of J2EE when we had largely failed internally. We think that this is a huge breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single biggest threat to Java, which is performance. -LARRY ELLISON CEO, ORACLE Now, that is sweet!
RE: Oracle deal gag
Mmmkay, this is a little late, but hey - when have I been known to shut up? On Sun, 10 Jun 2001, Jay Armstrong wrote: After my criticism, subsequent messages from others on the original thread (RE: Oracle deal) also went through fine, but none of them were critical of Ironflare. In fact, all of them either told me to shut up (Greg Stickley and Hani Suleiman, who described the problem as a pebble), were complimentary of the deal, and/or tried to change the subject. Seems odd to me that not one, single critical comment about the most important business deal in Orion Server's history came after mine, unless the thread was being censored. Good thing we've never heard of paranoia. Oops, now we have. I would point out one of Karl's statements in his reply to me: The purpose of the orion-interest has always been to promote the exchange of experiences and knowledge between our users, not as a channel to communicate with us. I interpret the statement above to be a veiled warning that big brother is watching and not to criticize Ironflare via orion-interest. Dadgum, there's that paranoia thing again. If you've read the mailing list archives, you'll see plenty of criticism of Ironflare, most of it deserved, and none of it censored that I'm aware of. And I've even sent some of it. As far as Karl's statement... it seems like you've an agenda, and you're using a National Enquirer-like ability to read between lines. Hi, how are you doing is not I'M GOING TO KILL YOU! and Orion-interest is a sharing area between users, not a channel to communicate with us is not We hate everything you say that we don't agree with, and will censor it. Don't you also find it odd that Ironflare did not make this announcement? Rather, it came from Bryan Young's discovery after trying oc4j. My guess is that Ironflare, possibly under orders from Oracle, wanted to keep this quiet and is now attempting damage control. Damage control? Why? What damage, exactly has been caused? Ironflare hasn't been sold; neither has Orion. The only damage I see is possibly between a few sets of ears. As far as I can tell, this is ALL good for Ironflare; people who want real J2EE and want a real company backing it can buy OC4J and get the best of both worlds - support and quality. (Oh no, what a horrifying thought, eh?) and people who want to stick with pure Orion (i.e., those of us who don't want to run Oracle, or don't need Oracle's support layer) can stick with what we have. What horror. If it's a list problem, okay, but how can we possibly know? Time will tell, though it could also be that open discussions are not and have never been allowed in this interest group. Man, you ARE paranoid. Jay At 04:37 PM 6/9/01 -0700, you wrote: J, There have been lags and blackholes on the list last week. I suspect this is because the two gents have been in San Francisco in the last week, and have not been unable to keep up the maintenance. Sunday and Monday, and some of Tuesday lastweek there were no messages. Its a list problem...don't blame Orion. Regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of J Armstrong Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 3:50 PM To: Orion-Interest Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Oracle deal gag Just for fun, try bitching about the original issue. I tried twice (two days ago and one day ago) to respond to Karl Avendal's response to me on this thread and it's not showing up. At 12:48 PM 6/9/01 -0700, you wrote: Haha, I know... Hani just said we should bitch so I did :P - Phillip --- elephantwalker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phil, Orion also supports do's, even though the latest draft doesn't include do's (an earlier draft had major sections on do's). Phil, this is a moving target, and these guys will fix their ejb 2.0. Please log the references issue and bidirectional relations problem with bugzilla, they will fix it. Regards, the elephantwalker __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
Re: Oracle deal gag
So, my conclusions are: - Ironflare/Evermind has not hired testers or other staff as promised 6 months ago. They don't have to, because the user community does all of that (and more) for them. Hiring testers for the sake of hiring testers (not a knock on testers)is hit-and-miss anyway, but suppose they did hire testers? I suspect that many folks on this list would still test orion just as rigourously as they do now. I get paid regardless of whether I test Orion. I test Orion because I like it. If, by testing Orion I can get a better product, then I will test Orion. I don't HAVE to use Orion. I WANT to use it. Do you like the product? - Ironflare is in it, at least in part, for big money; otherwise, they would have collected from the production license violator. Every company is in it, to one degree or another, for the money. My consultancy is in it for the money - but we started it because we wanted to do our work OUR way which we now do. The money just happens to go along with it. Ironflare wanted to write an application server and that was only possible, in their view, by starting their own company. They need money, too, as Karl explained. If Oracle came to my company and said Hey, we'd like to license some of that software you've been writing for a nice sum of cash - I would say You Bet!. What's wrong with that? Nothing! - Ironflare will leave you hanging if you report license violations. When you reported the license violations, what was Ironflare supposed to do? I don't know the nature of how you found the violations or who is doing the violating, but it seems to me that once you report it, then you would be finished with your task. - Ironflare may be censoring messages. You lay out your facts above - but given other experiences with this list (I briefly mention mine in a previous posting that quite frankly hasn't come through yet) I can't draw the same conclusions. Sorry. I can't lay it out much better than that. So, attack one of these facts and quit challenging my mental condition. From the asylum, Jay --- Johan Fredriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is your point? Johan - Original Message - From: Jay Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: RE: Oracle deal gag We've all tried presenting the facts to you regarding the Oracle deal, but all we seem to be getting in respose is a descent into your own personal madness. How about summing up the problems you have in a few short lines that won't cause cynics like me to laugh or respond so unpleasantly? Hani In spite of your personal attacks on my mental condition, I will try one more time to deal with facts and give yet another summary. Before doing so, let me state that yesterday I made a third attempt to post my response to Karl. I also sent it directly to Mike Cannon-Brookes asking him to post it. So, three times now I've tried. Let me ask you and the group, how many times must I try and fail to post that message before you will believe that it's getting blocked? Seriously, just pick a number and I'll try that many times. Here's the summary: - 6 months ago (Dec 7), Karl stated, resources will initially be spent more on building the organization and hiring the right people than would be necessary if we didn't make the expansion. - Since then, there have been several threads about lack of support: www.orionserver.com down again (Dec 13), What's going on with Orion? (Jan 4), Is the List alive? (Jan 4), Any news from Orion yet?? (Jan 15), Orion Team Needs New List Software (Mar 14), Impossible getting the attention of the orion (support) team. Are they still around? (Mar 19), Is the list dead? (Apr 25) - Since then, hiring the right people has not occurred. - On Apr 18, Randy Kemp suggested Ironflare contact MySQL, which is also in Sweden (A Swedish Idea). Like me, Randy was ridiculed by people, like Hani, who used terms such as bizarre, this whole ridiculous discussion and fairy tale. - On Apr 23, I reported a production licensing violation directly to Karl. He did not respond. - On Apr 24, I reported the production licensing violation to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Karl responded, stating, We'll check into it. - On May 8, I asked Karl for a status on the licensing violation, but to date, have gotten no response. - On Jun 6, Bryan Young posted the following to this group: I just read about Orion being used as the base code for their 9i app server. - On Jun 6, I responded, refering to the A Swedish Idea thread and stating, I TOLD YOU SO. I also stated, I admire the way they've managed to build a decent product without having to hire testers. - On Jun 7, the day after my post, Karl responded via orion-interest, stating, We've never been in it for the money, but that doesn't mean that you
RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.
If I recall correctly, BEA did not challenge them (Ironflare/Evermind)with any numbers of their own, they just wanted them to remove their BEA reference. That would have appeared to have been just an action by BEA spin doctors and the legal department. So I will be interested when Oracle runs its J2EE container (i.e. Orion) vs BEA. I suspect, by the way, that Oracle will handle its users concerns. They probably have a number of developers who are up-to-snuff on Orion. It remains to be seen, but if a company wants a name-brand, investor-friendly product, I would happily recomend they use Oracle over BEA or WAS - or that they at least bring them in for the running. --- Jay Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nathan, A lot of what you're saying is true. I acknowledge that Orion is relatively fast and has some great features (like auto-reconfigure), but I recall that Orion used to claim that it was the fastest J2EE product (or something like that), then had to remove that claim from the orionserver.com site (I think BEA challenged the claim). Also, one of the first questions I get asked when recommending software for clients is about support. It's probably the primary reason why major systems do not rely on open products, or semi-open products like Orion. Yes, Karl and Magnus built a fabulous product, but where's the support (documentation, help desk, etc)? I am not applauding the support for WebLogic, WebsFear, IPlanit, etc, but if I report a problem with WebLogic to BEA, eventually it will filter to the gurus, who will respond (usually they ask for a reconfigure, restart, and a dump). Who will handle this for Orion/Oracle? Karl and Magnus? They rarely respond now, so don't you think they could get even more overwhelmed? Please, point me to where Ellison talked about support. Jay At 09:32 AM 6/11/01 -0500, you wrote: On a different note concerning the Oracle deal: I wasn't at JavaOne, but I've been reading all about it on the web. One news story that I've seen a lot about is Larry Ellison and Bill Coleman's little fight. Oracle has put Orion in the big leagues... I mean, Karl could have produced all sorts of documentation that said Orion is better then Weblogic, but BEA would have paid it no attention. However, when Oracle says Oracle is better then Weblogic, BEA certainly takes notice! I consider this a great victory for Ironflare, the J2EE community, and every single young person hacking away in his garage. This proves it--a few talented and committed developers can accomplish anything they set their minds too. I think Larry Ellison said it best, when, at JavaOne, he said We have thrown out literally all of our old Java code. The reason we threw away all of our old J2EE implementations is we had to build a high performance, scaleable version of J2EE. We think that this is a huge breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single biggest threat to Java, which is performance. And we, all of us on this list, know what Larry Ellison was really saying... We replaced all our old Java code with the code from a small Swedish company called Ironflare. The reason we threw away all of our old J2EE implementations was that, plain and simple, these two Swedish guys are studs, and had managed to build a high performance, scaleable version of J2EE when we had largely failed internally. We think that this is a huge breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single biggest threat to Java, which is performance. -LARRY ELLISON CEO, ORACLE Now, that is sweet! __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
RE: Oracle deal gag
Enough! -Original Message- From: Johan Fredriksson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 9:40 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Oracle deal gag What is your point? Johan - Original Message - From: Jay Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: RE: Oracle deal gag We've all tried presenting the facts to you regarding the Oracle deal, but all we seem to be getting in respose is a descent into your own personal madness. How about summing up the problems you have in a few short lines that won't cause cynics like me to laugh or respond so unpleasantly? Hani In spite of your personal attacks on my mental condition, I will try one more time to deal with facts and give yet another summary. Before doing so, let me state that yesterday I made a third attempt to post my response to Karl. I also sent it directly to Mike Cannon-Brookes asking him to post it. So, three times now I've tried. Let me ask you and the group, how many times must I try and fail to post that message before you will believe that it's getting blocked? Seriously, just pick a number and I'll try that many times. Here's the summary: - 6 months ago (Dec 7), Karl stated, resources will initially be spent more on building the organization and hiring the right people than would be necessary if we didn't make the expansion. - Since then, there have been several threads about lack of support: www.orionserver.com down again (Dec 13), What's going on with Orion? (Jan 4), Is the List alive? (Jan 4), Any news from Orion yet?? (Jan 15), Orion Team Needs New List Software (Mar 14), Impossible getting the attention of the orion (support) team. Are they still around? (Mar 19), Is the list dead? (Apr 25) - Since then, hiring the right people has not occurred. - On Apr 18, Randy Kemp suggested Ironflare contact MySQL, which is also in Sweden (A Swedish Idea). Like me, Randy was ridiculed by people, like Hani, who used terms such as bizarre, this whole ridiculous discussion and fairy tale. - On Apr 23, I reported a production licensing violation directly to Karl. He did not respond. - On Apr 24, I reported the production licensing violation to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Karl responded, stating, We'll check into it. - On May 8, I asked Karl for a status on the licensing violation, but to date, have gotten no response. - On Jun 6, Bryan Young posted the following to this group: I just read about Orion being used as the base code for their 9i app server. - On Jun 6, I responded, refering to the A Swedish Idea thread and stating, I TOLD YOU SO. I also stated, I admire the way they've managed to build a decent product without having to hire testers. - On Jun 7, the day after my post, Karl responded via orion-interest, stating, We've never been in it for the money, but that doesn't mean that you can survive in this society forever without having any money. - On Jun 7, I tried to respond to Karl via orion-interest. - On Jun 8, I made my second attempt to respond to Karl via orion-interest. - On Jun 10, I made my third attempt to respond to Karl via orion-interest. - I have tried three times to post my response to Karl, and been called mentally unstable for suggesting that they might be blocking negative comments. - Neither Ironflare nor Oracle have ever really announced their relationship. It's not announced at www.orionserver.com. Go to http://www.oracle.com and look at their JavaOne pages and search for Orion. It's buried in the user manual, but not announced. So, my conclusions are: - Ironflare/Evermind has not hired testers or other staff as promised 6 months ago. They don't have to, because the user community does all of that (and more) for them. - Ironflare is in it, at least in part, for big money; otherwise, they would have collected from the production license violator. - Ironflare will leave you hanging if you report license violations. - Ironflare may be censoring messages. I can't lay it out much better than that. So, attack one of these facts and quit challenging my mental condition. From the asylum, Jay
OT: Found this great Encyclopedia effort online
Title: OT: Found this great Encyclopedia effort online Check it out: http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Internet_troll
RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Jay Armstrong wrote: Nathan, A lot of what you're saying is true. I acknowledge that Orion is relatively fast and has some great features (like auto-reconfigure), but I recall that Orion used to claim that it was the fastest J2EE product (or something like that), then had to remove that claim from the orionserver.com site (I think BEA challenged the claim). No, BEA didn't challenge the claim. BEA refuses anyone (IBM, etc.) to publish performance specs for comparison purposes. The result was that Orion couldn't say We did this in X, and BEA did it in Y. Orion is hardly unique in this. Also, one of the first questions I get asked when recommending software for clients is about support. It's probably the primary reason why major systems do not rely on open products, or semi-open products like Orion. Or Oracle... but wait, that might make the Oracle deal a win for Orion users. Yes, Karl and Magnus built a fabulous product, but where's the support (documentation, help desk, etc)? I've done well without it. I am not applauding the support for WebLogic, WebsFear, IPlanit, etc, but if I report a problem with WebLogic to BEA, eventually it will filter to the gurus, who will respond (usually they ask for a reconfigure, restart, and a dump). And usually if people know your problem, they'll get to it here, too. Who will handle this for Orion/Oracle? Karl and Magnus? They rarely respond now, so don't you think they could get even more overwhelmed? Please, point me to where Ellison talked about support. Heh, you haven't LOOKED at Oracle much, have you? They *already* have support networks in place... Jay At 09:32 AM 6/11/01 -0500, you wrote: On a different note concerning the Oracle deal: I wasn't at JavaOne, but I've been reading all about it on the web. One news story that I've seen a lot about is Larry Ellison and Bill Coleman's little fight. Oracle has put Orion in the big leagues... I mean, Karl could have produced all sorts of documentation that said Orion is better then Weblogic, but BEA would have paid it no attention. However, when Oracle says Oracle is better then Weblogic, BEA certainly takes notice! I consider this a great victory for Ironflare, the J2EE community, and every single young person hacking away in his garage. This proves it--a few talented and committed developers can accomplish anything they set their minds too. I think Larry Ellison said it best, when, at JavaOne, he said We have thrown out literally all of our old Java code. The reason we threw away all of our old J2EE implementations is we had to build a high performance, scaleable version of J2EE. We think that this is a huge breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single biggest threat to Java, which is performance. And we, all of us on this list, know what Larry Ellison was really saying... We replaced all our old Java code with the code from a small Swedish company called Ironflare. The reason we threw away all of our old J2EE implementations was that, plain and simple, these two Swedish guys are studs, and had managed to build a high performance, scaleable version of J2EE when we had largely failed internally. We think that this is a huge breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single biggest threat to Java, which is performance. -LARRY ELLISON CEO, ORACLE Now, that is sweet! --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
Jay's posting
I'm posting this as a favor to Jay Amstrong Karl, Thanks for responding. This is already a long message, so I'll try to keep it short. I've been wrong before and, if that's the case now, then please forgive me. Lest anyone think I'm out to bash Orion, please refer to my vigorous and lengthy defense of Orion (e.g., Subject: Re: SV: Not authorized to view this page 16Feb2001). There have been several threads on orion-interest about lack of response from Evermind/Ironflare. Topics like Anyone heard from evermind? didn't appear without reason. Your response to that particular thread explained the transition from Evermind to Ironflare, which, in turn, spawned many concerns about the future of Orion (pricing, etc). Still, there were other subsequent threads about lack of response, especially regarding bug fixes. Several weeks ago, I notified you directly of an unauthorized production user. There was very little interest. In fact, there has been no follow up to let me know whether or not anyone even verified it. I assumed that there was so little interest in a few $1,500 production licenses because Ironflare was too busy trying to sign with Oracle. I also recently requested comments from you and Magnus for a live web presentation I am doing next week about J2EE on a budget. Again, no response. Since we don't know the details of the deal with Oracle, it's hard for me to comment on the value of the deal. What we do know is that other J2EE products (e.g., WebLogic, WebSphere, IPlanet, etc) sell for upwards of $10,000 per CPU. In the past, on this site, I have stated that I hope you an Magnus become millionaires. I'm not asking now, nor will I ever ask, how many licenses Ironflare has sold or the specifics of the contract with Oracle. That's your business. But I do know what Oracle's competitors charge, and Ironflare's possible revenue from this is theoretically enormous. Again, I'm happy for you. The reaction I've gotten on this agreement from other Orion users is that they're very happy about it, and You may wish to consider that many Orion users are trying to learn J2EE, have absolutely no experience with big business, etc are fearful of being banned from this and the Orion site. In a sense, I'm happy, too. Like many users, I am concerned about the future of Orion. I doubt Ironflare has an army of lawyers or a mountain of cash -- Oracle does. It may be increasingly difficult to allow Orion to be free for development, because Oracle's long-term business strategy is probably not to allow that. There is no getting around the fact that comments from users to this site have helped refine a product that is now directly benefitting a Fortune 50 company. I am definitely happy for you and Magnus. I've gained a lot more from Orion than I've given. I am somewhat encouraged by your comments, though still doubtful about the future. Maybe I'm just too cynical. Maybe I've dealt with too many big companies. Jay -- Best regards, Rafaelmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jay's posting
Wow, a sensible and well considered post. Something must have gone seriously wrong somewhere for you to think that something this pleasant and polite would be censored. And oh look, it made it the list! Take that you Orion folk! You can't hold us down forever! We will rise up and post whatever we want! Hani On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Rafael Alvarez wrote: I'm posting this as a favor to Jay Amstrong Karl, Thanks for responding. This is already a long message, so I'll try to keep it short. I've been wrong before and, if that's the case now, then please forgive me. Lest anyone think I'm out to bash Orion, please refer to my vigorous and lengthy defense of Orion (e.g., Subject: Re: SV: Not authorized to view this page 16Feb2001). There have been several threads on orion-interest about lack of response from Evermind/Ironflare. Topics like Anyone heard from evermind? didn't appear without reason. Your response to that particular thread explained the transition from Evermind to Ironflare, which, in turn, spawned many concerns about the future of Orion (pricing, etc). Still, there were other subsequent threads about lack of response, especially regarding bug fixes. Several weeks ago, I notified you directly of an unauthorized production user. There was very little interest. In fact, there has been no follow up to let me know whether or not anyone even verified it. I assumed that there was so little interest in a few $1,500 production licenses because Ironflare was too busy trying to sign with Oracle. I also recently requested comments from you and Magnus for a live web presentation I am doing next week about J2EE on a budget. Again, no response. Since we don't know the details of the deal with Oracle, it's hard for me to comment on the value of the deal. What we do know is that other J2EE products (e.g., WebLogic, WebSphere, IPlanet, etc) sell for upwards of $10,000 per CPU. In the past, on this site, I have stated that I hope you an Magnus become millionaires. I'm not asking now, nor will I ever ask, how many licenses Ironflare has sold or the specifics of the contract with Oracle. That's your business. But I do know what Oracle's competitors charge, and Ironflare's possible revenue from this is theoretically enormous. Again, I'm happy for you. The reaction I've gotten on this agreement from other Orion users is that they're very happy about it, and You may wish to consider that many Orion users are trying to learn J2EE, have absolutely no experience with big business, etc are fearful of being banned from this and the Orion site. In a sense, I'm happy, too. Like many users, I am concerned about the future of Orion. I doubt Ironflare has an army of lawyers or a mountain of cash -- Oracle does. It may be increasingly difficult to allow Orion to be free for development, because Oracle's long-term business strategy is probably not to allow that. There is no getting around the fact that comments from users to this site have helped refine a product that is now directly benefitting a Fortune 50 company. I am definitely happy for you and Magnus. I've gained a lot more from Orion than I've given. I am somewhat encouraged by your comments, though still doubtful about the future. Maybe I'm just too cynical. Maybe I've dealt with too many big companies. Jay
RE: Oracle deal gag
Wow, I never realized engineers had become so immature! Can we stop filling our mailboxes with junk? Get off the stupid list if you're so unhappy! You have a choice! Stay on the boat and can it, or get off the boat to something that will make you happier! R Robert S. Sfeir Director of Software Development PERCEPTICON corporation, in Joint Venture With JTransit San Francisco, CA 94123 pw - http://www.percepticon.com/ jw - http://jtransit.com e- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
loadbalancer
Group, I am still trying to get a good loadbalancer situation going. I have a loadbalancer talking to a single cluster, and all is well. However, the normal logging won't work for now, since the loadbalancer doesn't forward the ip address of the requester. Karl also indicates that under a heavy load, the loadbalancer may not respond well. I would like to pursue another loadbalancer solution, but I want to use the clustering solution from orion. Has anybody used another loadbalancer with an orion cluster? If so, what are you using? How did you get the orion clustering to work with an external loadbalancer? Regards, the elephantwalker
oc4j/orion performance tests
this is very good show of orion's performance against weblogic (I presume this is appserver X, since they are the only appserver vender that prevents their name from being used in a comparison...gutless!) and websphere: http://technet.oracle.com/tech/java/oc4j/content.html You will have to create an account with otn, but that's pretty easy to do by going to : http://technet.oracle.com/index.html, and clicking the membership link. Its free. Regards, the elephantwalker
RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.
EW, Great news, seriously. Do you know whether or not the same/similar documentation is or will be available on orion-support.com or orionserver.com? Jay At 10:53 AM 6/11/01 -0700, you wrote: J, I am an oracle customer. All you have to do is call support, and they answer questions about orion. They also have good attempt at documentation: http://technet.oracle.com/docs/tech/java/oc4j/htdocs/getstart.htm#1016486 You will have to create an account with otn, but that's pretty easy to do by going to : http://technet.oracle.com/index.html, and clicking the membership link. Its free. Regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jay Armstrong Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 10:22 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note. Nathan, A lot of what you're saying is true. I acknowledge that Orion is relatively fast and has some great features (like auto-reconfigure), but I recall that Orion used to claim that it was the fastest J2EE product (or something like that), then had to remove that claim from the orionserver.com site (I think BEA challenged the claim). Also, one of the first questions I get asked when recommending software for clients is about support. It's probably the primary reason why major systems do not rely on open products, or semi-open products like Orion. Yes, Karl and Magnus built a fabulous product, but where's the support (documentation, help desk, etc)? I am not applauding the support for WebLogic, WebsFear, IPlanit, etc, but if I report a problem with WebLogic to BEA, eventually it will filter to the gurus, who will respond (usually they ask for a reconfigure, restart, and a dump). Who will handle this for Orion/Oracle? Karl and Magnus? They rarely respond now, so don't you think they could get even more overwhelmed? Please, point me to where Ellison talked about support. Jay At 09:32 AM 6/11/01 -0500, you wrote: On a different note concerning the Oracle deal: I wasn't at JavaOne, but I've been reading all about it on the web. One news story that I've seen a lot about is Larry Ellison and Bill Coleman's little fight. Oracle has put Orion in the big leagues... I mean, Karl could have produced all sorts of documentation that said Orion is better then Weblogic, but BEA would have paid it no attention. However, when Oracle says Oracle is better then Weblogic, BEA certainly takes notice! I consider this a great victory for Ironflare, the J2EE community, and every single young person hacking away in his garage. This proves it--a few talented and committed developers can accomplish anything they set their minds too. I think Larry Ellison said it best, when, at JavaOne, he said We have thrown out literally all of our old Java code. The reason we threw away all of our old J2EE implementations is we had to build a high performance, scaleable version of J2EE. We think that this is a huge breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single biggest threat to Java, which is performance. And we, all of us on this list, know what Larry Ellison was really saying... We replaced all our old Java code with the code from a small Swedish company called Ironflare. The reason we threw away all of our old J2EE implementations was that, plain and simple, these two Swedish guys are studs, and had managed to build a high performance, scaleable version of J2EE when we had largely failed internally. We think that this is a huge breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single biggest threat to Java, which is performance. -LARRY ELLISON CEO, ORACLE Now, that is sweet!
RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.
Joseph, Generally, I agree, but... I am not applauding the support for WebLogic, WebsFear, IPlanit, etc, but if I report a problem with WebLogic to BEA, eventually it will filter to the gurus, who will respond (usually they ask for a reconfigure, restart, and a dump). And usually if people know your problem, they'll get to it here, too. Agree. But most major customers avoid semi-open products because of the perception (right or wrong) that they can't purchase support, even if they have money to burn. I have argued that the orion-interest response is generally more accurate (than BEA, IBM Sun) because the big players must hide their embarassing flaws from the competition. This is why I believe Oracle MAY (not for sure! No flames please!) put pressure on Ironflare to be less forthcoming about internal flaws. Who will handle this for Orion/Oracle? Karl and Magnus? They rarely respond now, so don't you think they could get even more overwhelmed? Please, point me to where Ellison talked about support. Heh, you haven't LOOKED at Oracle much, have you? They *already* have support networks in place... The buck stops here sign is on Karl's and Magnus' desk, right? I hope they don't usually ride in the same car together all time. :) Stuck in the asylum, Jay At 03:42 PM 6/11/01 -0500, you wrote: On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Jay Armstrong wrote: Nathan, A lot of what you're saying is true. I acknowledge that Orion is relatively fast and has some great features (like auto-reconfigure), but I recall that Orion used to claim that it was the fastest J2EE product (or something like that), then had to remove that claim from the orionserver.com site (I think BEA challenged the claim). No, BEA didn't challenge the claim. BEA refuses anyone (IBM, etc.) to publish performance specs for comparison purposes. The result was that Orion couldn't say We did this in X, and BEA did it in Y. Orion is hardly unique in this. Also, one of the first questions I get asked when recommending software for clients is about support. It's probably the primary reason why major systems do not rely on open products, or semi-open products like Orion. Or Oracle... but wait, that might make the Oracle deal a win for Orion users. Yes, Karl and Magnus built a fabulous product, but where's the support (documentation, help desk, etc)? I've done well without it. I am not applauding the support for WebLogic, WebsFear, IPlanit, etc, but if I report a problem with WebLogic to BEA, eventually it will filter to the gurus, who will respond (usually they ask for a reconfigure, restart, and a dump). And usually if people know your problem, they'll get to it here, too. Who will handle this for Orion/Oracle? Karl and Magnus? They rarely respond now, so don't you think they could get even more overwhelmed? Please, point me to where Ellison talked about support. Heh, you haven't LOOKED at Oracle much, have you? They *already* have support networks in place... Jay At 09:32 AM 6/11/01 -0500, you wrote: On a different note concerning the Oracle deal: I wasn't at JavaOne, but I've been reading all about it on the web. One news story that I've seen a lot about is Larry Ellison and Bill Coleman's little fight. Oracle has put Orion in the big leagues... I mean, Karl could have produced all sorts of documentation that said Orion is better then Weblogic, but BEA would have paid it no attention. However, when Oracle says Oracle is better then Weblogic, BEA certainly takes notice! I consider this a great victory for Ironflare, the J2EE community, and every single young person hacking away in his garage. This proves it--a few talented and committed developers can accomplish anything they set their minds too. I think Larry Ellison said it best, when, at JavaOne, he said We have thrown out literally all of our old Java code. The reason we threw away all of our old J2EE implementations is we had to build a high performance, scaleable version of J2EE. We think that this is a huge breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single biggest threat to Java, which is performance. And we, all of us on this list, know what Larry Ellison was really saying... We replaced all our old Java code with the code from a small Swedish company called Ironflare. The reason we threw away all of our old J2EE implementations was that, plain and simple, these two Swedish guys are studs, and had managed to build a high performance, scaleable version of J2EE when we had largely failed internally. We think that this is a huge breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single biggest threat to Java, which is performance. -LARRY ELLISON CEO, ORACLE Now, that is sweet! --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/
Re: Jay's posting
Ha. Ha. Note that Raphael did it as a favor. The three previous attempts directly from me to orion-interest over a period of 4 days (June 7, 8 and 10) have yet to show. Oh, I forgot, it's a list server problem. I'd write more, but it's awfully hard to type wearing this straight-jacket... Jay At 05:46 PM 6/11/01 -0400, you wrote: Wow, a sensible and well considered post. Something must have gone seriously wrong somewhere for you to think that something this pleasant and polite would be censored. And oh look, it made it the list! Take that you Orion folk! You can't hold us down forever! We will rise up and post whatever we want! Hani On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Rafael Alvarez wrote: I'm posting this as a favor to Jay Amstrong Karl, Thanks for responding. This is already a long message, so I'll try to keep it short. I've been wrong before and, if that's the case now, then please forgive me. Lest anyone think I'm out to bash Orion, please refer to my vigorous and lengthy defense of Orion (e.g., Subject: Re: SV: Not authorized to view this page 16Feb2001). There have been several threads on orion-interest about lack of response from Evermind/Ironflare. Topics like Anyone heard from evermind? didn't appear without reason. Your response to that particular thread explained the transition from Evermind to Ironflare, which, in turn, spawned many concerns about the future of Orion (pricing, etc). Still, there were other subsequent threads about lack of response, especially regarding bug fixes. Several weeks ago, I notified you directly of an unauthorized production user. There was very little interest. In fact, there has been no follow up to let me know whether or not anyone even verified it. I assumed that there was so little interest in a few $1,500 production licenses because Ironflare was too busy trying to sign with Oracle. I also recently requested comments from you and Magnus for a live web presentation I am doing next week about J2EE on a budget. Again, no response. Since we don't know the details of the deal with Oracle, it's hard for me to comment on the value of the deal. What we do know is that other J2EE products (e.g., WebLogic, WebSphere, IPlanet, etc) sell for upwards of $10,000 per CPU. In the past, on this site, I have stated that I hope you an Magnus become millionaires. I'm not asking now, nor will I ever ask, how many licenses Ironflare has sold or the specifics of the contract with Oracle. That's your business. But I do know what Oracle's competitors charge, and Ironflare's possible revenue from this is theoretically enormous. Again, I'm happy for you. The reaction I've gotten on this agreement from other Orion users is that they're very happy about it, and You may wish to consider that many Orion users are trying to learn J2EE, have absolutely no experience with big business, etc are fearful of being banned from this and the Orion site. In a sense, I'm happy, too. Like many users, I am concerned about the future of Orion. I doubt Ironflare has an army of lawyers or a mountain of cash -- Oracle does. It may be increasingly difficult to allow Orion to be free for development, because Oracle's long-term business strategy is probably not to allow that. There is no getting around the fact that comments from users to this site have helped refine a product that is now directly benefitting a Fortune 50 company. I am definitely happy for you and Magnus. I've gained a lot more from Orion than I've given. I am somewhat encouraged by your comments, though still doubtful about the future. Maybe I'm just too cynical. Maybe I've dealt with too many big companies. Jay
RE: JMS question: How to connect to a remote host
In your orion/config/jms.xml, change host=localhost to a public IP, such as: topic-connection-factory host=www.yourname.com location=java:comp/env/jms/JmsTopicConnectionFactory port=9127/ Hi folks, I'm just tring out the JMSChat sample. I'm want to run it from another host as the orion server is running. But this seems not possible since I got the following error message Communication error: Unable to connect to JMSServer (localhost/127.0.0.1:9127): Connection refused: So is there a Property or method which I can use to connect to another host. THX MArcus
RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.
You might also want to look at the following link for how to papers http://otn.oracle.com/products/jdev/content.html Near the bottom you'll see: JDeveloper 3.2 Technical Information HTMLHow To Deploy a BC4J Application to the Oracle9iAS J2EE Container HTMLHow To Develop EJB Session Beans and Deploy Them to the Oracle9iAS J2EE Container HTMLHow To Develop Entity Beans and Deploy Them to the Oracle9iAS J2EE Container HTMLHow To Remotely Debug a Java Servlet on the Oracle9iAS J2EE Container Don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of elephantwalker Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:53 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note. J, I am an oracle customer. All you have to do is call support, and they answer questions about orion. They also have good attempt at documentation: http://technet.oracle.com/docs/tech/java/oc4j/htdocs/getstart.htm#1016486 You will have to create an account with otn, but that's pretty easy to do by going to : http://technet.oracle.com/index.html, and clicking the membership link. Its free. Regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jay Armstrong Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 10:22 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note. Nathan, A lot of what you're saying is true. I acknowledge that Orion is relatively fast and has some great features (like auto-reconfigure), but I recall that Orion used to claim that it was the fastest J2EE product (or something like that), then had to remove that claim from the orionserver.com site (I think BEA challenged the claim). Also, one of the first questions I get asked when recommending software for clients is about support. It's probably the primary reason why major systems do not rely on open products, or semi-open products like Orion. Yes, Karl and Magnus built a fabulous product, but where's the support (documentation, help desk, etc)? I am not applauding the support for WebLogic, WebsFear, IPlanit, etc, but if I report a problem with WebLogic to BEA, eventually it will filter to the gurus, who will respond (usually they ask for a reconfigure, restart, and a dump). Who will handle this for Orion/Oracle? Karl and Magnus? They rarely respond now, so don't you think they could get even more overwhelmed? Please, point me to where Ellison talked about support. Jay At 09:32 AM 6/11/01 -0500, you wrote: On a different note concerning the Oracle deal: I wasn't at JavaOne, but I've been reading all about it on the web. One news story that I've seen a lot about is Larry Ellison and Bill Coleman's little fight. Oracle has put Orion in the big leagues... I mean, Karl could have produced all sorts of documentation that said Orion is better then Weblogic, but BEA would have paid it no attention. However, when Oracle says Oracle is better then Weblogic, BEA certainly takes notice! I consider this a great victory for Ironflare, the J2EE community, and every single young person hacking away in his garage. This proves it--a few talented and committed developers can accomplish anything they set their minds too. I think Larry Ellison said it best, when, at JavaOne, he said We have thrown out literally all of our old Java code. The reason we threw away all of our old J2EE implementations is we had to build a high performance, scaleable version of J2EE. We think that this is a huge breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single biggest threat to Java, which is performance. And we, all of us on this list, know what Larry Ellison was really saying... We replaced all our old Java code with the code from a small Swedish company called Ironflare. The reason we threw away all of our old J2EE implementations was that, plain and simple, these two Swedish guys are studs, and had managed to build a high performance, scaleable version of J2EE when we had largely failed internally. We think that this is a huge breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single biggest threat to Java, which is performance. -LARRY ELLISON CEO, ORACLE Now, that is sweet!
Orion Newbie Question about frontend with Apache and disabling the Orion listener
Someone asked me the other day when were discussing Orion and Oracle IAS9i/OC4J whether you could use an Apache front end and the answer is well documented, on the Orion (and/or Orionserver) web site as well as in the Oracle OC4J documentation, as YES. Then I was asked Can I guarantee that all web traffic to the web server is ONLY going through the Apache front-end and not doing an end-around by using the Orion listener as a back door? Im assuming he wanted to disable the Orion listener to force the Apache front end as the sole point of contact Ive checked the Orion and Orionserver web sites, as well as the Oracle OC4J doc, and I cant find how to do this Either I missed it (VERY probably the case) or its not possible Any advice on how to do this would be appreciated. By the way Im very pleased that Oracle has identified this outstanding product exists and managed to persuade the Ironflare developers to let Oracle acquire the right to incorporate it into IAS9i. I missed Java One. Does anyone have a web site where this quote is listed? I think Larry Ellison said it best, when, at Java One, he said We have thrown out literally all of our old Java code. The reason we threw away all of our old J2EE implementations is we had to build a high performance, scaleable version of J2EE. We think that this is a huge breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single biggest threat to Java, which is performance. It sounds like him!! Don aka Bubba
Security bug with application clients?
Hi, I'm trying to get the security portion of a project working, in which a java client connects to a stateless session beanafter login. As far as I can tell, Orion doesn't seem to properly pass around principal objects in stateless session beans. This is the sequence that my test client runs: 1. Prompt user for user ID password 2. Create an InitialContext containing the user ID and password (as "java.naming.security.principal" and "java.naming.security.credentials", respectively.) 3. Look up the stateless session bean's home 4. home.create() the stateless session bean So far, so good. The stateless session bean correctly identifies the user ID within its session context's principal. Now I clean things up and repeat the process: 5. remove() the stateless session bean 6. close() the InitialContext (just in case... I even went so far as to remove all of its environment properties.) 7. Log on again: prompt for a different user ID password 8. Create a newinitial context as in step 2. 9. Look up the stateless session bean's home 10. home.create() the stateless session bean This is where things go wrong. I get the principal out of the stateless session bean's session context, which indicates that I'm logged in as the first user! The problem is that the bean is never calling "setSessionContext" on the second creation. If I re-start the client however, it works correctly. The only way I can think of to get around this is to use a stateful session bean instead... I don't like that, because I don't need to maintain state! Has anyone else encountered this problem? Found a solution? Thanks, Mike
RE: Orion Newbie Question about frontend with Apache and disabling the Orion listener
You can specify what ip address you are hosting in the *web-site.xml. If this ip address is not accessible by the internet (ie, its on a local network), then only the local net (the apache server, for example) will have access. regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Don GaulSent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:36 PMTo: Orion-InterestSubject: Orion Newbie Question about frontend with Apache and disabling the Orion listener Someone asked me the other day when were discussing Orion and Oracle IAS9i/OC4J whether you could use an Apache front end and the answer is well documented, on the Orion (and/or Orionserver) web site as well as in the Oracle OC4J documentation, as YES. Then I was asked Can I guarantee that all web traffic to the web server is ONLY going through the Apache front-end and not doing an end-around by using the Orion listener as a back door? Im assuming he wanted to disable the Orion listener to force the Apache front end as the sole point of contact Ive checked the Orion and Orionserver web sites, as well as the Oracle OC4J doc, and I cant find how to do this Either I missed it (VERY probably the case) or its not possible Any advice on how to do this would be appreciated. By the way Im very pleased that Oracle has identified this outstanding product exists and managed to persuade the Ironflare developers to let Oracle acquire the right to incorporate it into IAS9i. I missed Java One. Does anyone have a web site where this quote is listed? I think Larry Ellison said it best, when, at Java One, he said "We have thrown out literally all of our old Java code. The reason we threw away all of our old J2EE implementations is we had to build a high performance, scaleable version of J2EE. We think that this is a huge breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single biggest threat to Java, which is performance." It sounds like him!! Don aka Bubba
RE: Security bug with application clients?
its in
the "clean things up" step that something went wrong.
You
need to do a session.invalidate(), and then create a new guest session with a
session.create("true"). Here is the bit in the RequestProcessor of the
BluePrint (petstore):
if (event
instanceof LogoutEvent)
{
...whatever
...
session.invalidate();
whatever
HttpSession validSession = req.getSession(true);
...whatever ...
}
This
is usually done in a servlet. I would do the same thing here. Instead of using
the client - slsb - whatever ... use client - servlet - slsb
- whatever bean. This way, you can abstract whatever login/logout and
session control directly with the servlet, and you also abstract instancing the
slsb - whatever bean. The servlet can also be loadbalanced (the slsb can't
be) so if you want failover capability, you get it.
regards,
the
elephantwalker
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael
JaraSent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:51 PMTo:
Orion-InterestSubject: Security bug with application
clients?
Hi,
I'm trying to get the security portion of a
project working, in which a java client connects to a stateless session
beanafter login. As far as I can tell, Orion doesn't seem to
properly pass around principal objects in stateless session
beans.
This is the sequence that my test client
runs:
1. Prompt user for user ID
password
2. Create an InitialContext containing the user
ID and password (as "java.naming.security.principal" and
"java.naming.security.credentials", respectively.)
3. Look up the stateless session bean's
home
4. home.create() the stateless session
bean
So far, so good. The stateless session bean
correctly identifies the user ID within its session context's principal.
Now I clean things up and repeat the process:
5. remove() the stateless session
bean
6. close() the InitialContext (just in case... I
even went so far as to remove all of its environment properties.)
7. Log on again: prompt for a different user ID
password
8. Create a newinitial context as in step
2.
9. Look up the stateless session bean's
home
10. home.create() the stateless session
bean
This is where things go wrong. I get the
principal out of the stateless session bean's session context, which indicates
that I'm logged in as the first user! The problem is that the bean is
never calling "setSessionContext" on the second creation. If I re-start
the client however, it works correctly.
The only way I can think of to get around this is
to use a stateful session bean instead... I don't like that, because I
don't need to maintain state! Has anyone else encountered this
problem? Found a solution?
Thanks,
Mike
Re: OT: Found this great Encyclopedia effort online
That's a good one. Now let's all get on with java, j2ee and the other stuff we're interested in and drop all that conspiracy stuff. Javier Soques --- Larry Velez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check it out: http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Internet_troll __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: NEWBIE: Default HTTP Content-Type
You could try playing around with the files: config\global-web-application.xml config\mime.types If you manage to work it out using those files, can you let the list know? Cheers, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/12/01 12:15am Well, you could probably use a filter to just that... Have the filter trigger a servlet which reads the file and sets the content type. Johan - Original Message - From: Norbert Papke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 7:03 PM Subject: NEWBIE: Default HTTP Content-Type I have just started to play around with the Orion server and am very impressed by it. Installation and configuration was a snap, performance and footprint are great. I have, however, noticed one ideosyncracy that I hope somebody will be able to help me with. I have some text files on my site that are part of a knowledge base. These files contain only ASCII characters, the excute permissions are not set, and the files do not have an extension. The Orion server delivers these files with an HTTP content type set to application/octet-stream. Apache delivers these same files with a content type of text/plain. The latter is preferable to me as it allows browsers to render the files. Is there any way to change the content type that Orion uses to deliver these files? Please note that changing the files (either by converting them to html or adding a file extension) is not really an option. Best regard, -- Norbert Papke. [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This e-mail is solely for the use of the intended recepient and may contain information which is confidential or privileged. Unauthorised use of its contents is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately via e-mail and then delete the original e-mail. ---
RE: Unitialized Register
check your initial environment memory. It should be 4096kb -Original Message- From: Johan Fredriksson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 2001 17:38 To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Unitialized Register Hmmm, sounds like a VM bug... - Original Message - From: "James Hill" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 9:34 PM I have a really odd problem with jikes/orion (1.5.2 orion, 1.14 jikes). I have a particular JSP page that will give the following error: Error parsing JSP page /hunting/today/article.jsp Error creating jsp-page instance: java.lang.VerifyError: (class: __jspPage0_hunting_today_article_jsp, method: _jspService signature: (Ljavax/servlet/http/HttpServletRequest;Ljavax/servlet/http/HttpServletRes po nse;)V) Accessing value from uninitialized register 24 It only gives me this error if have jikes turned on and I have development mode (orion-web.xml) turned off. Any other combination seems to work fine (but slower). Thanks! James Hill
RE: Security bug with application clients?
Don't jump into the conclusions. To my limited experience the Orion's authentication is very intelligent and tolerant to the user mistakes. For reference you may use OCJ4 manual (Oracle app server, see mail list ). I recommend reading it carefully. -Original Message- From: Michael Jara [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 12 2001 03:51 To: Orion-Interest Subject: Security bug with application clients? Hi, I'm trying to get the security portion of a project working, in which a java client connects to a stateless session bean after login. As far as I can tell, Orion doesn't seem to properly pass around principal objects in stateless session beans. This is the sequence that my test client runs: 1. Prompt user for user ID password 2. Create an InitialContext containing the user ID and password (as "java.naming.security.principal" and "java.naming.security.credentials", respectively.) 3. Look up the stateless session bean's home 4. home.create() the stateless session bean So far, so good. The stateless session bean correctly identifies the user ID within its session context's principal. Now I clean things up and repeat the process: 5. remove() the stateless session bean 6. close() the InitialContext (just in case... I even went so far as to remove all of its environment properties.) 7. Log on again: prompt for a different user ID password 8. Create a new initial context as in step 2. 9. Look up the stateless session bean's home 10. home.create() the stateless session bean This is where things go wrong. I get the principal out of the stateless session bean's session context, which indicates that I'm logged in as the first user! The problem is that the bean is never calling "setSessionContext" on the second creation. If I re-start the client however, it works correctly. The only way I can think of to get around this is to use a stateful session bean instead... I don't like that, because I don't need to maintain state! Has anyone else encountered this problem? Found a solution? Thanks, Mike
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