[ozmidwifery] Doula in Newcastle
Doulas in Newcastle: Michelle (shell_l_d in my forums) is looking for a Doula in Newcastle, second bub, private hospital VBAC. Please email her at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ Post Natal Services Conference 2007
[ozmidwifery] Doula Needed Caroline Springs Area / Sunshine (VIC)
A doula is needed for a Deonee Meyers in Caroline Springs, going to Sunshine. It's her first bub and due to circumstances her hubby will not be there (something going on there - I think he's too freaked out about the whole thing) you can email her [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support
[ozmidwifery] Doula required Townsville
Please see as below - they are currently TTC but have some issues they'd need to work through with a Doula from their last experience. Kelly Zantey -Original Message- From: Sharon MacDonald Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Doula Information Hi Kelly, Sorry it has taken me a little while to get back to you. We've just moved house and things have been quite hectic trying to do it over the Christmas/New Year period. Hubby and I are looking for a Doula located in Townsville. We are currently in the process of TTC baby number 2 but as my first pregnancy was very traumatic and not pleasant we would like to have a Doula on board ASAP after conceiving. With my first pregnancy I had very severe morning sickness. I threw up all day every day from Week 6 through until after I gave birth. After the 3rd month I could rarely leave the house and after 5 months I was more or less house bound as I couldn't stand for more than 30 seconds to a minute without fainting. I had no milk supply after giving birth and was unable to breast feed. As the public hospital I gave birth in was very pro breast feeding I was made to feel like a useless failure and one nurse even went as far as to say that she would not discharge my daughter and was going to report me for neglect as I wanted to try formula feeding after 3 days of my daughter not breast feeding. It was supposed to be one of the best times of my life but ended up being the worst and I am dreading the thought of giving birth in the same hospital again. Even the community nurses who visited condemed me for bottle feeding but didn't bother to find out why I wasn't breast feeding they just assumed that everyone could. All of this lead to my PND which I am still battling though it's a mild case. We are hoping that by having a private midwife or Doula on board from early on in my next pregnancy that we may be able to alievate some of the problems we had last time as my dr was less than helpful and I saw a different midwife each hospital appointment who all had different views and opinions. Any info you can pass on to us about Doulas/services available in Townsville would be much appreciated. My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] We currently live in Douglas in Townsville but it's a very small city so any Doula located in Townsville would be great. Thanks for your help. Best Wishes Sharon (Fruitwood - Belly Belly) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Doula req'd in Western Victoria
Hello all, One of the longer term, regular members in my forums is pregnant with her second due late July and would like to chat to a few local Doulas to see if it's something she would like to do for her birth. She is fairly sure she wants one, I am sure once she speaks to a few she will be 100% convinced! She lives in Hamilton, and realises it may be limited to how many Doulas are out that way, so if you are nearby or perhaps not so nearby, please drop her an email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and see if you can arrange a time to call or visit her about what fabulous things us Doulas do. She has a pregnancy journal in the forums so you can have a bit of a read of her story: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=25106 Had lots of intervention in her previous birth from an induction which gave her days of prostin pains and all went downhill from there. So hoping to have a more informed and supported birth this time around. I have a woman in early labour, (been a very, very busy month for me - where are all the Doulas in December?!) so I just wanted to say an extra special Happy New Year to all those Doulas, midwives and support people to birthing women this New Year's Eve. What a way to bring in the New Year! Wishing everyone a happy, healthy and prosperous 2007. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ Post-Natal Services Conference 2007 - Are You Ready For Change?
RE: [ozmidwifery] Doula req'd in Western Victoria
Sorry her name is Debra! _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Zantey Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 4:10 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Doula req'd in Western Victoria Hello all, One of the longer term, regular members in my forums is pregnant with her second due late July and would like to chat to a few local Doulas to see if it's something she would like to do for her birth. She is fairly sure she wants one, I am sure once she speaks to a few she will be 100% convinced! She lives in Hamilton, and realises it may be limited to how many Doulas are out that way, so if you are nearby or perhaps not so nearby, please drop her an email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and see if you can arrange a time to call or visit her about what fabulous things us Doulas do. She has a pregnancy journal in the forums so you can have a bit of a read of her story: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=25106 Had lots of intervention in her previous birth from an induction which gave her days of prostin pains and all went downhill from there. So hoping to have a more informed and supported birth this time around. I have a woman in early labour, (been a very, very busy month for me - where are all the Doulas in December?!) so I just wanted to say an extra special Happy New Year to all those Doulas, midwives and support people to birthing women this New Year's Eve. What a way to bring in the New Year! Wishing everyone a happy, healthy and prosperous 2007. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ Post-Natal Services Conference 2007 - Are You Ready For Change?
RE: [ozmidwifery] doula
Hi Sharon, I would be more than happy to discuss our course with your friend. I am on 02 9560 8288 Cheers, Renee BIRTH CENTRAL From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sharon Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2006 2:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula Could anyone enlighten me is there a course for doulas in Australia. Iam a midwife and I have a friend who has had 2 years of mid training but due to circumstances was unable to finish her training. She would like to continue working as a support person with pregnant and labouring women. Also is there a fee involved for the service provided. Thankyou in advance -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/524 - Release Date: 8/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/524 - Release Date: 8/11/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula
Hello Sharon, Peter Jackson and the 'Calm birth" team are also running seminars for this training. If you ( oryour friend)would like details of the seminardates, to be held in March and September next year, please contact the course co-ordinator: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or www.calmbirth.com.au Regards Robyn Dempsey - Original Message - From: Renee Adair To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:43 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] doula Hi Sharon, I would be more than happy to discuss our course with your friend. I am on 02 9560 8288 Cheers, Renee BIRTH CENTRAL From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sharonSent: Thursday, 9 November 2006 2:55 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] doula Could anyone enlighten me is there a course for doulas in Australia. Iam a midwife and I have a friend who has had 2 years of mid training but due to circumstances was unable to finish her training. She would like to continue working as a support person with pregnant and labouring women. Also is there a fee involved for the service provided. Thankyou in advance --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/524 - Release Date: 8/11/2006 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/524 - Release Date: 8/11/2006
RE: [ozmidwifery] doula
Hello my friend lives in Adelaide and I am a midwife/nurse. Thankyou everyone for replying to my query I will pass the information along. From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Robyn Dempsey Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2006 4:36 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula Hello Sharon, Peter Jackson and the 'Calm birth team are also running seminars for this training. If you ( oryour friend)would like details of the seminardates, to be held in March and September next year, please contact the course co-ordinator: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or www.calmbirth.com.au Regards Robyn Dempsey - Original Message - From: Renee Adair To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:43 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] doula Hi Sharon, I would be more than happy to discuss our course with your friend. I am on 02 9560 8288 Cheers, Renee BIRTH CENTRAL From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of sharon Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2006 2:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula Could anyone enlighten me is there a course for doulas in Australia. Iam a midwife and I have a friend who has had 2 years of mid training but due to circumstances was unable to finish her training. She would like to continue working as a support person with pregnant and labouring women. Also is there a fee involved for the service provided. Thankyou in advance -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/524 - Release Date: 8/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/524 - Release Date: 8/11/2006
RE: [ozmidwifery] doula
Question for you as a doula do you get paid for your services or is a gratis/honorarium. I think that she would ask these questions From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Honey Acharya Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2006 3:03 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula There are a number of different courses to choose from. All have fees for the training but they vary in what is covered and what is charged so it is worth checking them out and finding which one suits her best. Some of it will also depend where she lives as some require you to attend whereas others are online or via correspondence. The ones I know of are Childbirth International (Distance learning option) Rhea Dhempsey ??(Melbourne) Birthing Rites (Sydney) Birth Central Optimum Birth (Distance learning option) Capers Bookstore also host DONA trainingI believe ?? check out http://www.childbirthinternational.com/BecomeDoula/Compare/compareaus.htm it has a comparison of three of them I'm sure others will also respond with other options. Regards Honey Acharya Student Midwife BMid UniSA Certified Doula - Childbirth International - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 1:54 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula Could anyone enlighten me is there a course for doulas in Australia. Iam a midwife and I have a friend who has had 2 years of mid training but due to circumstances was unable to finish her training. She would like to continue working as a support person with pregnant and labouring women. Also is there a fee involved for the service provided. Thankyou in advance
RE: [ozmidwifery] doula
That is a personal choice that each Doula must make. Some do it for free or free for certain demographics. Most of us though do charge as the time commitment is huge and what we do is very valuable. What we charge would also be a personal choice that takes into account local circumstances, target markets and experience in being a doula. I hope that helps. Cheers Philippa Scott Birth Buddies - Doula Assisting women and their families in the preparation towards childbirth and labour. President of Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of sharon Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2006 7:17 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] doula Question for you as a doula do you get paid for your services or is a gratis/honorarium. I think that she would ask these questions From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Honey Acharya Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2006 3:03 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula There are a number of different courses to choose from. All have fees for the training but they vary in what is covered and what is charged so it is worth checking them out and finding which one suits her best. Some of it will also depend where she lives as some require you to attend whereas others are online or via correspondence. The ones I know of are Childbirth International (Distance learning option) Rhea Dhempsey ??(Melbourne) Birthing Rites (Sydney) Birth Central Optimum Birth (Distance learning option) Capers Bookstore also host DONA trainingI believe ?? check out http://www.childbirthinternational.com/BecomeDoula/Compare/compareaus.htm it has a comparison of three of them I'm sure others will also respond with other options. Regards Honey Acharya Student Midwife BMid UniSA Certified Doula - Childbirth International - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 1:54 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula Could anyone enlighten me is there a course for doulas in Australia. Iam a midwife and I have a friend who has had 2 years of mid training but due to circumstances was unable to finish her training. She would like to continue working as a support person with pregnant and labouring women. Also is there a fee involved for the service provided. Thankyou in advance
FW: [ozmidwifery] doula for tassie
This didnt come back to me aplogies if you receive it twice. J From: jo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2006 4:54 PM To: 'ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au' Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] doula for tassie Wow, Felicity. Thank you so much for this info, shes going to be over the moon. Ill pass it all on to her so you may hear from her sometime very soon. How fabulous is the internet! Jo x From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Stephen Felicity Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2006 1:49 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula for tassie I forgot to put contact info for IMs in Hobart...she might like to contact Rashelle Szoke (IM); Rashelle also runs the Birth and Beyond group every week, and I know Rashelle was compiling a list of careproviders and support people as I was contacted to be added - so she might be able to help. Rashelle can be reached on 03 6267 4740. Another option is Terri Stockdale (IM) who also works casually at the Royal Hobart Hospital and so might be able to provide insight into VBAC support there too - Terri can be reached on 03 6231 0633. There is also a male IM in Hobart whose contact details I don't have but Terri or Rashelle would be able to provide them; also, two more IMs are apparently moving to Tassie around December and will be operating in Hobart (I don't recall who they are but again, Terri or Rashelle would know) so there's more options there potentially too. Hi all, Does anyone know of any doulas working in Tassie and any hospitals, midwives or OBs supportive of VBAC. Have just had a lengthy chat on the phone with a woman who has had 2 c/sections and is desperate for a vaginal birth. Even went as far as to ask if Id travel to Tassie in March next year to support her. Any contacts would be wonderful. Thanks in advance Jo x Jo Hunter National Convenor Homebirth Aus Coordinator Homebirth Access Sydney Innate Birth doula and CBE (02) 47 51 9840
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula for tassie
No worries Jo - we've spoken today and I've emailed on some further information and contacts to her that might be of use. Sounds like you've done a fantastic favour to her, putting out your feelers for support - as I think quality support is all she wants and needs to have the birth she wants. :) The internet opens up doors, indeed! - Original Message - From: jo To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery] doula for tassie This didnt come back to me aplogies if you receive it twice. J From: jo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2006 4:54 PMTo: 'ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au'Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] doula for tassie Wow, Felicity. Thank you so much for this info, shes going to be over the moon. Ill pass it all on to her so you may hear from her sometime very soon. How fabulous is the internet! Jo x
[ozmidwifery] doula
Could anyone enlighten me is there a course for doulas in Australia. Iam a midwife and I have a friend who has had 2 years of mid training but due to circumstances was unable to finish her training. She would like to continue working as a support person with pregnant and labouring women. Also is there a fee involved for the service provided. Thankyou in advance
[ozmidwifery] doula for tassie
Hi all, Does anyone know of any doulas working in Tassie and any hospitals, midwives or OBs supportive of VBAC. Have just had a lengthy chat on the phone with a woman who has had 2 c/sections and is desperate for a vaginal birth. Even went as far as to ask if Id travel to Tassie in March next year to support her. Any contacts would be wonderful. Thanks in advance Jo x Jo Hunter National Convenor Homebirth Aus Coordinator Homebirth Access Sydney Innate Birth doula and CBE (02) 47 51 9840
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula for tassie
Try the Launceston Birth Centre Jo ,,, Jean,Rosie or Liz might have some contacts. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> All the best Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au On 8 Nov, 2006, at 11:50, jo wrote: x-tad-biggerHi all,/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerDoes anyone know of any doulas working in Tassie and any hospitals, midwives or OB’s supportive of VBAC. Have just had a lengthy chat on the phone with a woman who has had 2 c/sections and is desperate for a vaginal birth. Even went as far as to ask if I’d travel to Tassie in March next year to support her./x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerAny contacts would be wonderful./x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerThanks in advance/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerJo x/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger Jo Hunter National Convenor Homebirth Aus Coordinator Homebirth Access Sydney Innate Birth doula and CBE (02) 47 51 9840
RE: [ozmidwifery] doula for tassie
Great! Thanks Jan. Have just emailed them. Was wondering how the insurance for midwives is going, are you nearly at the 200 needed? Cheers Jo x From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Jan Robinson Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2006 12:28 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Cc: Rosie Green Liz Ekins Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula for tassie Try the Launceston Birth Centre Jo ,,, Jean,Rosie or Liz might have some contacts. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] All the best Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au On 8 Nov, 2006, at 11:50, jo wrote: Hi all, Does anyone know of any doulas working in Tassie and any hospitals, midwives or OBs supportive of VBAC. Have just had a lengthy chat on the phone with a woman who has had 2 c/sections and is desperate for a vaginal birth. Even went as far as to ask if Id travel to Tassie in March next year to support her. Any contacts would be wonderful. Thanks in advance Jo x Jo Hunter National Convenor Homebirth Aus Coordinator Homebirth Access Sydney Innate Birth doula and CBE (02) 47 51 9840
RE: [SPAM][ozmidwifery] doula for tassie
Hey Jo, got a couple of doulas in Tassie but they are not near Hobart or Launceston. Where abouts is the woman? Can get some more information for you to pass on or give my details so I may speak or email with the woman directly. Cheers, Renee BIRTH CENTRALPh - 02 9560 8288 email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of joSent: Wednesday, 8 November 2006 11:50 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [SPAM][ozmidwifery] doula for tassie Hi all, Does anyone know of any doulas working in Tassie and any hospitals, midwives or OBs supportive of VBAC. Have just had a lengthy chat on the phone with a woman who has had 2 c/sections and is desperate for a vaginal birth. Even went as far as to ask if Id travel to Tassie in March next year to support her. Any contacts would be wonderful. Thanks in advance Jo x Jo Hunter National Convenor Homebirth Aus Coordinator Homebirth Access Sydney Innate Birth doula and CBE (02) 47 51 9840
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula for tassie
We've got up to the 180s Jo ... We still need about twenty more midwives to launch the scheme. Any midwife reading this who thinks they may want to do the odd home birth in the future ... or even do independent teaching, childbirth classes, should consider putting their name on the insurance list. It's 'pay as you go so it won't cost you an arm and a leg. Simply contact the College [EMAIL PROTECTED]> with your name, address and telephone contact and ask that your details be put on the insurance list. Thanks Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au On 8 Nov, 2006, at 12:34, jo wrote: x-tad-biggerGreat! Thanks Jan. Have just emailed them./x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerWas wondering how the insurance for midwives is going, are you nearly at the 200 needed?/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerCheers/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerJo x/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerFrom:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerJan Robinson/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSent:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Wednesday, 8 November 2006 12:28 PM/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerTo:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerCc:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Rosie Green Liz Ekins/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSubject:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Re: [ozmidwifery] doula for tassie/x-tad-bigger Try the Launceston Birth Centre Jo ,,, Jean,Rosie or Liz might have some contacts. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> All the best Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au On 8 Nov, 2006, at 11:50, jo wrote: Hi all, Does anyone know of any doulas working in Tassie and any hospitals, midwives or OB’s supportive of VBAC. Have just had a lengthy chat on the phone with a woman who has had 2 c/sections and is desperate for a vaginal birth. Even went as far as to ask if I’d travel to Tassie in March next year to support her. Any contacts would be wonderful. Thanks in advance Jo x Jo Hunter National Convenor Homebirth Aus Coordinator Homebirth Access Sydney Innate Birth doula and CBE (02) 47 51 9840
RE[ozmidwifery] doula for tassie
Hi Renee, She lives in a place called Donn (sp?) apparently near Devonport. She doesnt have email but is calling me back tomorrow and I said Id try to have some info for her then. Thanks Renee Jo x From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Renee Adair Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2006 12:37 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [SPAM][ozmidwifery] doula for tassie Hey Jo, got a couple of doulas in Tassie but they are not near Hobart or Launceston. Where abouts is the woman? Can get some more information for you to pass on or give my details so I may speak or email with the woman directly. Cheers, Renee BIRTH CENTRALPh - 02 9560 8288 email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of jo Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2006 11:50 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [SPAM][ozmidwifery] doula for tassie Hi all, Does anyone know of any doulas working in Tassie and any hospitals, midwives or OBs supportive of VBAC. Have just had a lengthy chat on the phone with a woman who has had 2 c/sections and is desperate for a vaginal birth. Even went as far as to ask if Id travel to Tassie in March next year to support her. Any contacts would be wonderful. Thanks in advance Jo x Jo Hunter National Convenor Homebirth Aus Coordinator Homebirth Access Sydney Innate Birth doula and CBE (02) 47 51 9840
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula for tassie
Yes - me. :) I am based near Hobart and I know of only one other Doula also based near Hobart - no idea of Doulas near Launceston or in other parts of Tassie. I have a client who is due in mid Feb next year and I myself am expecting my second child at the end of April, so I'm not sure if I'd be able to help the woman you mention, but anything is possible - if she'd like to contact me, she's more than welcome to. She might also like to try the other Hobart Doula I mentioned (I don't know her personally but have seen her listed in a few places). Contact information can be found here: http://douladirectory.joyousbirth.info/tas.html There's a couple of independent midwives in Hobart (I myself am using one for my April birth) who would certainly support a VBACif she is interested in homebirth. There's a Birth Centre at the Royal Hobart Hospital where it is certainly POSSIBLE to have a vaginal birth, but of course it's subject to the luck of the drawin terms of staff members and Hospy policy etc as with most similar institutions. I'm not sure if they "take" VBACs but it's a potential avenue to explore. Hi all, Does anyone know of any doulas working in Tassie and any hospitals, midwives or OB’s supportive of VBAC. Have just had a lengthy chat on the phone with a woman who has had 2 c/sections and is desperate for a vaginal birth. Even went as far as to ask if I’d travel to Tassie in March next year to support her.Any contacts would be wonderful.Thanks in advanceJo x
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula for tassie
I forgot to put contact info for IMs in Hobart...she might like to contact Rashelle Szoke (IM); Rashelle also runs the "Birth and Beyond" group every week, and I know Rashelle was compiling a list of careproviders and support people as I was contacted to be added - so she might be able to help. Rashelle can be reached on 03 6267 4740. Another option is Terri Stockdale (IM) who also works casually at the Royal Hobart Hospital and so might be able to provide insight into VBAC support there too - Terri can be reached on 03 6231 0633. There is also a male IM in Hobart whose contact details I don't have but Terri or Rashelle would be able to provide them; also, two more IMs are apparently moving to Tassie around December and will be operating in Hobart (I don't recall who they are but again, Terri or Rashelle would know) so there's more options there potentially too. Hi all,Does anyone know of any doulas working in Tassie and any hospitals, midwives or OB’s supportive of VBAC. Have just had a lengthy chat on the phone with a woman who has had 2 c/sections and is desperate for a vaginal birth. Even went as far as to ask if I’d travel to Tassie in March next year to support her.Any contacts would be wonderful.Thanks in advanceJo xJo HunterNational Convenor Homebirth AusCoordinator Homebirth Access SydneyInnate Birth doula and CBE(02) 47 51 9840
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula for tassie
This is good news Jan! Only 20 more to go. Sooner than later. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Jan Robinson To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Cc: ACMI National Office Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula for tassie We've got up to the 180s Jo ... We still need about twenty more midwives to launch the scheme.Any midwife reading this who thinks they may want to do the odd home birth in the future ... or even do independent teaching, childbirth classes, should consider putting their name on the insurance list. It's 'pay as you go" so it won't cost you an arm and a leg.Simply contact the College [EMAIL PROTECTED] with your name, address and telephone contact and ask that your details be put on the insurance list.ThanksJanJan Robinson Independent Midwife PractitionerNational Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.auOn 8 Nov, 2006, at 12:34, jo wrote: Great! Thanks Jan. Have just emailed them.Was wondering how the insurance for midwives is going, are you nearly at the 200 needed?CheersJo xFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan RobinsonSent: Wednesday, 8 November 2006 12:28 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auCc: Rosie Green Liz EkinsSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula for tassieTry the Launceston Birth Centre Jo ,,, Jean,Rosie or Liz might have some contacts.email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]All the bestJanJan Robinson Independent Midwife PractitionerNational Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.auOn 8 Nov, 2006, at 11:50, jo wrote:Hi all,Does anyone know of any doulas working in Tassie and any hospitals, midwives or OB’s supportive of VBAC. Have just had a lengthy chat on the phone with a woman who has had 2 c/sections and is desperate for a vaginal birth. Even went as far as to ask if I’d travel to Tassie in March next year to support her.Any contacts would be wonderful.Thanks in advanceJo xJo HunterNational Convenor Homebirth AusCoordinator Homebirth Access SydneyInnate Birth doula and CBE(02) 47 51 9840
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula for nambour hospital
Hi Kristin, Just in case Lynne doesn't get back to you in time, I think she is talking about Dana Fraser who mainly does homebirth support to my knowledge. She is a very lovely woman with a lot of expertise around birth support. Her contact details are: Ph 07 544 70525. If she is not doing hospital support she will know of other doulas in the area that will. Warm regards Penny - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:59 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula for nambour hospital Hi Lynne...just chasing some details for the Doula you mentioned (Dana) for the Nambour Hospital.. I will seeing the coupel again tomorrow..Thanks alot, Kristin. From: "Kristin Beckedahl" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula for nambour hospitalDate: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 10:07:14 +0800 Thanks LynneI'll await more info:-) From: "Lynne Staff" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula for nambour hospitalDate: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:00:56 +1000 There is a lovely doula called Dana up here. I will get her number for your friends. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula for nambour hospital I have a couple moving back to Qld (sunshinecoast) from WA, and it looks af it Nambour hospital (pub or priv) will be where they are planning to birth. They REALLY want to get a doula for the birth.can anyone recommend anyone? Big thanks, K.-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] doula for nambour hospital
Hi Lynne...just chasing some details for the Doula you mentioned (Dana) for the Nambour Hospital.. I will seeing the coupel again tomorrow..Thanks alot, Kristin. From: "Kristin Beckedahl" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula for nambour hospitalDate: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 10:07:14 +0800 Thanks LynneI'll await more info:-) From: "Lynne Staff" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula for nambour hospitalDate: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:00:56 +1000 There is a lovely doula called Dana up here. I will get her number for your friends. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula for nambour hospital I have a couple moving back to Qld (sunshinecoast) from WA, and it looks af it Nambour hospital (pub or priv) will be where they are planning to birth. They REALLY want to get a doula for the birth.can anyone recommend anyone? Big thanks, K.-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] doula for nambour hospital
I have a couple moving back to Qld (sunshinecoast) from WA, and it looks af it Nambour hospital (pub or priv) will be where they are planning to birth. They REALLY want to get a doula for the birth.can anyone recommend anyone? Big thanks, K. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] doula for nambour hospital
Are any of these close? Sorry don't know the locality: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/doulas-qld Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Kristin Beckedahl Sent: Saturday, 3 June 2006 9:16 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula for nambour hospital I have a couple moving back to Qld (sunshinecoast) from WA, and it looks af it Nambour hospital (pub or priv) will be where they are planning to birth. They REALLY want to get a doula for the birth.can anyone recommend anyone? Big thanks, K. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Doula in Sutherland Shire
I have a forum member who is having trouble finding a Doula in her area: I am currently living in Sylvania and will be giving birth at Hurstville Community. My due date is not till 22 November so I have a bit of time at this stage I am not 100% sure I will be using the services of a Doula, but being my first I definitely want to look into this option. Thanks Regards Kathleen Her email is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] so drop her a line if you are in the area and available during this time. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
[ozmidwifery] Doula
I have been trying to find a Doula for a friend who lives in Darwin. This is part of what I got when I googled Doula and Darwin. I have had no luck yet. I have emailed CEA in Darwin twice with no reply. It isnt as easy as it looks. MM Cheap flights to Doula, who goes there? Cheap deals with Opodo Find cheap flights to Doula with Opodo - Use our low fare finder ... Dar Es Salaam - Tanzania, Darwin - Australia, Deer Lake - Canada ... www.flightmapping.com/Africa/Cameroon/Doula/ - 58k - Cached - Similarpages [ More results from www.flightmapping.com ]
Re: [ozmidwifery] Doula NT
Try these as starters. Doula Innerlife Alawa region ph: (0 8 ) 8941 2229 Darwin Darwin Homebirth Group Inc. PO Box 41252 Casuarina NT 0811 Phone (0 8 ) 8948 2373, (0 8 ) 8981 5841 - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 9:44 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Doula I have been trying to find a Doula for a friend who lives in Darwin. This is part of what I got when I googled Doula and Darwin. I have had no luck yet. I have emailed CEA in Darwin twice with no reply. It isnt as easy as it looks. MM Cheap flights to Doula, who goes there? Cheap deals with Opodo Find cheap flights to Doula with Opodo - Use our low fare finder ... Dar Es Salaam - Tanzania, Darwin - Australia, Deer Lake - Canada ...www.flightmapping.com/Africa/Cameroon/Doula/ - 58k - Cached - Similarpages[ More results from www.flightmapping.com ]
[ozmidwifery] Doula in Brissie
Hey all, I have a gorgeous dear friend due at the end of October and she lives in Wynnum. Shes attempting a VBAC after a post-dates (as in I think 2-3 weeks) overdue baby who wouldnt want to engage and at the end of the day, resulted in the Caesar. Catch is, I am coming over for the Doula Conference and will stay a bit longer, and will hopefully be there for her. If not or if I cant make it, she will need a back-up Doula who is there for her to fill in given the geographic challenge! So if anyone knows any names / emails / numbers can you please pass them onto me and I will let her know so she can start interviewing. Thanks! Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
Re: [ozmidwifery] Doula in Brissie
Here's one but there's also Chris Vose from Optimum Birth. Brisbane Caroline Ingram - Ingram Doula Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] (07) 3890 0434 - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 1:11 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Doula in Brissie Hey all, I have a gorgeous dear friend due at the end of October and she lives in Wynnum. Shes attempting a VBAC after a post-dates (as in I think 2-3 weeks) overdue baby who wouldnt want to engage and at the end of the day, resulted in the Caesar. Catch is, I am coming over for the Doula Conference and will stay a bit longer, and will hopefully be there for her. If not or if I cant make it, she will need a back-up Doula who is there for her to fill in given the geographic challenge! So if anyone knows any names / emails / numbers can you please pass them onto me and I will let her know so she can start interviewing. Thanks! Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
Re: [ozmidwifery] Doula in Brissie
Big list here too: http://bubhub.com.au/servicesdoula.shtml#qld - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 1:11 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Doula in Brissie Hey all, I have a gorgeous dear friend due at the end of October and she lives in Wynnum. Shes attempting a VBAC after a post-dates (as in I think 2-3 weeks) overdue baby who wouldnt want to engage and at the end of the day, resulted in the Caesar. Catch is, I am coming over for the Doula Conference and will stay a bit longer, and will hopefully be there for her. If not or if I cant make it, she will need a back-up Doula who is there for her to fill in given the geographic challenge! So if anyone knows any names / emails / numbers can you please pass them onto me and I will let her know so she can start interviewing. Thanks! Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
[ozmidwifery] Doula/Birth Attendants workshop
Dear all Apologies for cross - postings.. For women who feel the hearts calling to offer support to birthing women. A Birth Attendants,Doula workshopled by Rhea Dempseybeginning in Marchon the Mornington Peninsula. Course runs 1 day a week after the initial weekend intensive on18/19th Marchuntil November. Interested women can contact me for more informationvia my website: www.themidwife.com.au With kind regardsBrenda Manning 'themidwife' BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:;brendamanning FN:brendamanning ORG:the midwife TEL;WORK;VOICE:03 59862535 TEL;WORK;FAX:03 59862535 ADR;WORK:;;79 Besgrove St;Rosebud;Victoria;3939;Australia LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:79 Besgrove St=0D=0ARosebud, Victoria 3939=0D=0AAustralia URL;WORK:http://www.thhmidwife.com.au EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20060213T093123Z END:VCARD
[ozmidwifery] Doula Workshop/Birth Attendants Course MONTHLY amended
Dear all Apologies for cross - postings.. For women who feel the hearts calling to offer support to birthing women. A Birth Attendants / Doula workshopled by Rhea Dempseybeginning in Marchon the Mornington Peninsula. Course runs 1 day aMONTH after the initial weekend intensive on18/19th Marchuntil November. Interested women can contact me for more informationvia my website: www.themidwife.com.au With kind regardsBrenda Manning 'themidwife' BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:;brendamanning FN:brendamanning ORG:the midwife TEL;WORK;VOICE:03 59862535 TEL;WORK;FAX:03 59862535 ADR;WORK:;;79 Besgrove St;Rosebud;Victoria;3939;Australia LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:79 Besgrove St=0D=0ARosebud, Victoria 3939=0D=0AAustralia URL;WORK:http://www.thhmidwife.com.au EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20060213T094517Z END:VCARD
Re: [ozmidwifery] Doula Workshop/Birth Attendants Course MONTHLY amended
Wow that is absolutely brilliant that Rhea's work is being spread to the Mornington Penninsula, hopefully even more after this. As a student of Rhea's this last year, I can highly recommend it as being an essential course and I would love to see Obs having to do her course as a pre-requisite to learning Obstetrics It would be great if midwives also had access to this too, learning about normal birth before being taught about medical birth. Hats off to Rhea, she's a brilliant woman and I am in awe of her work over the last 26 odd years. I hope to carry on her messages through BellyBelly to the mainstream of women. Brenda, did you instigate this? Kudos to you if you did - nice work!!! Kelly Zantey www.bellybelly.com.au On 2/13/2006, brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all Apologies for cross - postings.. For women who feel the hearts calling to offer support to birthing women. A Birth Attendants / Doula workshop led by Rhea Dempsey beginning in March on the Mornington Peninsula. Course runs 1 day a MONTH after the initial weekend intensive on 18/19th March until November. Interested women can contact me for more information via my website: www.themidwife.com.au With kind regards Brenda Manning 'themidwife' ) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Doula
Hi everyone do these courses ever run in NSW??? My employment as a midiwfe is possibly coming to an end and I am thinking of doing some doula work (maybe) so that way I can still work with birthing women. Any leads on websites or people to contact would be great. many thanks katrina On 14/02/2006, at 12:19 PM, Kelly Zantey wrote: Wow that is absolutely brilliant that Rhea's work is being spread to the Mornington Penninsula, hopefully even more after this. As a student of Rhea's this last year, I can highly recommend it as being an essential course and I would love to see Obs having to do her course as a pre-requisite to learning Obstetrics It would be great if midwives also had access to this too, learning about normal birth before being taught about medical birth. Hats off to Rhea, she's a brilliant woman and I am in awe of her work over the last 26 odd years. I hope to carry on her messages through BellyBelly to the mainstream of women. Brenda, did you instigate this? Kudos to you if you did - nice work!!! Kelly Zantey www.bellybelly.com.au On 2/13/2006, brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all Apologies for cross - postings.. For women who feel the hearts calling to offer support to birthing women. A Birth Attendants / Doula workshop led by Rhea Dempsey beginning in March on the Mornington Peninsula. Course runs 1 day a MONTH after the initial weekend intensive on 18/19th March until November. Interested women can contact me for more information via my website: www.themidwife.com.au With kind regards Brenda Manning 'themidwife' ) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Doula
I have some contacts around australia in this article: http://bellybelly.com.au/articles/birth/answering-an-ancient-call-supporting-women-in-labour On 2/14/2006, Ceri Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone do these courses ever run in NSW??? My employment as a midiwfe is possibly coming to an end and I am thinking of doing some doula work (maybe) so that way I can still work with birthing women. Any leads on websites or people to contact would be great. many thanks katrina On 14/02/2006, at 12:19 PM, Kelly Zantey wrote: Wow that is absolutely brilliant that Rhea's work is being spread to the Mornington Penninsula, hopefully even more after this. As a student of Rhea's this last year, I can highly recommend it as being an essential course and I would love to see Obs having to do her course as a pre-requisite to learning Obstetrics It would be great if midwives also had access to this too, learning about normal birth before being taught about medical birth. Hats off to Rhea, she's a brilliant woman and I am in awe of her work over the last 26 odd years. I hope to carry on her messages through BellyBelly to the mainstream of women. Brenda, did you instigate this? Kudos to you if you did - nice work!!! Kelly Zantey www.bellybelly.com.au On 2/13/2006, brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all Apologies for cross - postings.. For women who feel the hearts calling to offer support to birthing women. A Birth Attendants / Doula workshop led by Rhea Dempsey beginning in March on the Mornington Peninsula. Course runs 1 day a MONTH after the initial weekend intensive on 18/19th March until November. Interested women can contact me for more information via my website: www.themidwife.com.au With kind regards Brenda Manning 'themidwife' ) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Doula Workshop/Birth Attendants Course MONTHLY amended
Yes Kelly, I instigated this. I wanted to do the course but can't go so far from home with alot of women due. So Rhea was kind enough to offer to come down here if I could get the numbers. I agree, I think alot of the information she teaches is what we don't learn in Midwifery. I think it's easy to become complacent in our job continual learning is what keeps us fresh passionate. With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Doula Workshop/Birth Attendants Course MONTHLY amended Wow that is absolutely brilliant that Rhea's work is being spread to the Mornington Penninsula, hopefully even more after this. As a student of Rhea's this last year, I can highly recommend it as being an essential course and I would love to see Obs having to do her course as a pre-requisite to learning Obstetrics It would be great if midwives also had access to this too, learning about normal birth before being taught about medical birth. Hats off to Rhea, she's a brilliant woman and I am in awe of her work over the last 26 odd years. I hope to carry on her messages through BellyBelly to the mainstream of women. Brenda, did you instigate this? Kudos to you if you did - nice work!!! Kelly Zantey www.bellybelly.com.au On 2/13/2006, brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all Apologies for cross - postings.. For women who feel the hearts calling to offer support to birthing women. A Birth Attendants / Doula workshop led by Rhea Dempsey beginning in March on the Mornington Peninsula. Course runs 1 day a MONTH after the initial weekend intensive on 18/19th March until November. Interested women can contact me for more information via my website: www.themidwife.com.au With kind regards Brenda Manning 'themidwife' ) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Doula training - thanks
Natalie's email reminded me to email the list and thank everyone for their information on different doula training options. I have chosen to go with Doula Express, mainly because there are quite a few doulas where I live who have done this course and have been very supportive in offering contacts for childbirth education classes, pregnant women to do the practical work with, etc. They also meet together and support each other regularly. Finally, the face to face option is not too far away in Sydney and they are happy for me to do a combination of face to face and correspondence. I posted off my appliction yesterday and will start on September 8th. Thankyou so much for your help! Nicola Morley -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Doula training - thanks
Good luck Nicola, I'm sure you'll love the course. It's great work you are doing. The more support women get the better !! Cheers Brenda M - Original Message - From: Nicola Morley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Ozmidwifery' ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:15 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Doula training - thanks Natalie's email reminded me to email the list and thank everyone for their information on different doula training options. I have chosen to go with Doula Express, mainly because there are quite a few doulas where I live who have done this course and have been very supportive in offering contacts for childbirth education classes, pregnant women to do the practical work with, etc. They also meet together and support each other regularly. Finally, the face to face option is not too far away in Sydney and they are happy for me to do a combination of face to face and correspondence. I posted off my appliction yesterday and will start on September 8th. Thankyou so much for your help! Nicola Morley -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] doula in the Hawkesbury?
I didnt realise Bonny was in the Hawkesbury area Abby. Ive been marking her doula assignments for Birth Central 6 degrees of separation! Jo From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Abby and Toby Sent: Sunday, 17 July 2005 9:22 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula in the Hawkesbury? Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula in the Hawkesbury? Hi all,Does anyone know of a doula in this area? Here is Bonny's details Janet. They are posted on a public site so I am sure she wouldn't mind me posting them here. Bonny Davies (Maternity and Birth Support) north-west sydney region: Hawkesbury Region (Windsor)ph: (02) 0414 457 293 Love Abby
[ozmidwifery] doula in the Hawkesbury?
Hi all, Does anyone know of a doula in this area? Cheers, J Joyous Birth Home Birth Forum - a world first!http://www.joyousbirth.info/forums/ Accessing Artemis Birth Trauma Recoveryhttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/accessingartemis
RE: [ozmidwifery] doula in the Hawkesbury?
Hi Janet, Im a doula in the Blue Mtns and I do cover the Hawkesbury region depending on where in the Hawkesbury she is. Im not aware of any other doulas specifically in that area. You can email me off list if you wish. Cheers Jo Hunter Innate Birth HBA Coordinator HAS Coordinator From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Sunday, 17 July 2005 3:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au; Dean Jo Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula in the Hawkesbury? Hi all, Does anyone know of a doula in this area? Cheers, J Joyous Birth Home Birth Forum - a world first! http://www.joyousbirth.info/forums/ Accessing Artemis Birth Trauma Recovery http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/accessingartemis
RE: [ozmidwifery] doula in the Hawkesbury?
I'm not aware of any other doula's specifically in that area. You can email me off list if you wish. Cheers Jo Hunter Hi Jo, Janet and everyone else, There is a lovely doula in the Hawkesbury area called Bonnie. I met her just the other day. I'll try and find her details. Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula in the Hawkesbury?
Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula in the Hawkesbury? Hi all,Does anyone know of a doula in this area? Here is Bonny's details Janet. They are posted on a public site so I am sure she wouldn't mind me posting them here. Bonny Davies (Maternity and Birth Support)north-west sydney region: Hawkesbury Region (Windsor)ph: (02) 0414 457 293 Love Abby
Re: [ozmidwifery] Doula Course - Phillipa?
Hi yes I am doing the Childbirth International Course it is terrific. Very well put together thorough. You can check them out at www.childbirthinternational.com and I highly recommend the courses they provide, the support is terrific too. I did also do the Dona workshop with Teri Shilling that was good for attaining some very useful skills too. Any ? can be sent to me personally if you wish at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, Philippa Scott Birth Buddies Supporting Women ~ Creating Life - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:01 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Doula Course - Phillipa? Hello all! I am looking at doing a Doula course this year (amongst other things!) to help with my application next year for B.Mid. Could anyone please provide any feedback on any Doula courses (I have noticed a few of you have done them) or suggest which ones are the better to do? I am in Melbourne. The only one I have information for at the moment is Optimum Birth. Thank-you! Ps. I asked about this in another list and was told that Phillipa has done the Birth International attendant course? If you could please contact me that would be great! Best Regards, Kelly Zantey -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Doula Course - Phillipa?
Hello all! I am looking at doing a Doula course this year (amongst other things!) to help with my application next year for B.Mid. Could anyone please provide any feedback on any Doula courses (I have noticed a few of you have done them) or suggest which ones are the better to do? I am in Melbourne. The only one I have information for at the moment is Optimum Birth. Thank-you! Ps. I asked about this in another list and was told that Phillipa has done the Birth International attendant course? If you could please contact me that would be great! Best Regards, Kelly Zantey -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Doula for Latrobe Valley Vic.
I am looking for a Doula for a woman in Latrobe Valley in Vic. Her 2nd bub is due in late March 05, Any one close to there. Philippa ScottBirth Buddies
Re: [ozmidwifery] Doula conference
Hi Denise Have circulated this to the ASIM midwives. Most of us are flat chat at the moment. Good luck with it Cheers Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au On 11 Sep, 2004, at 09:03, Denise Love wrote: First NationalDoulaconferencex-tad-biggeris Here..Sept 1819join us for a wonderful weekend of sharing birth infobelly dancing, drumming and good food!Woman are gathering from all over Australia.email me for more info or get you rego forms in if you already haventFort hose waiting for the venue.Brent Street School of Performing Arts./x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger723 Elizabeth St Waterloo 1440/x-tad-bigger x-tad-smaller/x-tad-smaller x-tad-biggerDenise x/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger image.tiff>x-tad-smallerEverything you ever need to know about birth and living! Doula School/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerDenise Love/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller[EMAIL PROTECTED]/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerBirth Central-LifeOptions/Doula express/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerShop 101/10 Lachlan St,/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerMOORE PARK /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller[EMAIL PROTECTED]/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerwww.e-lifeoptions.com/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallertel:/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller1300 139 507/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSignature powered by Plaxo/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerWant a signature like this?/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerAdd me to your address book.../x-tad-smaller
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article
Dear Jo
I do not understand the mentality of working in
large production line services so I can not shed any light.
Denise Hynd
"Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For,
indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead
- Original Message -
From:
jo
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:13
PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] doula
article
Hi Denise,
No need to apologies - not offended. Just trying to share
my experiences and make sense of it all.
It's all constructive - an important topic to be
discussing on a list such as this.
I've found that the support I giveto women choosing
to birth inhospital has generally been welcomed by the midwives, however
there have been the odd few that have been less than impressed. This reaction
always intrigues me as I see how busy the midwives are, particularly at the
large teaching hospital in my area. It is truely like a baby factory and the
midwives are run off their feet. I find this reaction very strange and would
like to try and understand it - any ideas??
Jo
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Denise
HyndSent: Tuesday, 7 September 2004 1:31 PMTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula
article
Dear Jo
I was not intending any reflection on doulas and
I apologise if that is how my comments came across.
I was reflecting on my expereinces and
understanding of birth!
Denise Hynd
"Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world.
For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret
Mead
- Original Message -
From:
jo
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:36
PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] doula
article
Hi all,
I have been reading the discussion on doula's with
interest and am intrigued by some of the more negative comments towards the
'doula' profession.
I tirelessly work for Homebirth Access Sydney and
Homebirth Australia - co-ordinating both groups. Which also involves
supporting Maternity Coalition and the wonderful Justine Caines. I consider
myself a staunch advocate for women centred and best practice care. I run
Active Birth workshopsand I work as a doula in my local community. I
have 4 children - 3 of whom were born at home with a midwife and a doula, as
well as other family members.
Working as a doula in the hospital system has been so
eliquently explained by Honey and Vida that i won't go into it. What I
really wanted to remark on is the role of the doula when 1-2-1 midwifery led
care is present. I'm interested to understand the idea that if we were to
have a system like NZ why there wouldn't be the need for doula's? Our
roles are very different and a doula can be a benefit in all birth
settings.
I was approached by our local homebirth midwife and
asked to assist her and her clients at their homebirths, which i have been
doing for about 6 months now. The midwife pays me - not the women and we
workreally well together, supporting one another the whole way. Which
of course in turn supports the woman and her family. It is working
wonderfully and have only had positive feedback from the families whom i
have supported. Doula's benefit women, but they can also benefit midwives -
even in an ideal system!
cheers
Jo Hunter
From: Nigel Berni
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 6 September 2004 9:44
PMTo: jojoSubject: Fw: [ozmidwifery] doula
article
- Original Message -
From: Denise Hynd
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article
Dear Honey
I agree with all you say I am only asking for
the full story to be in the article that as you say Doulas are needed by
women in a system that is not women centred.
Denise Hynd
"Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world.
For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret
Mead
- Original Message -
From:
Honey
Acharya
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 1:21
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula
article
HI Kylie
Iam a Doula (or Birth Buddy as we call
ourselves)and can put you in touch with the midwifes we work with
here in the public hospital in Townsville. We are welcomed by them and
work well together. if that interests you email me directly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In response to Denyse I know 1-2-1 midwifery
care would be the best option, but as we do not have that yet (I am one of
t
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Hi Denise, No need to apologies - not offended. Just trying to share my experiences and make sense of it all. It's all constructive - an important topic to be discussing on a list such as this. I've found that the support I giveto women choosing to birth inhospital has generally been welcomed by the midwives, however there have been the odd few that have been less than impressed. This reaction always intrigues me as I see how busy the midwives are, particularly at the large teaching hospital in my area. It is truely like a baby factory and the midwives are run off their feet. I find this reaction very strange and would like to try and understand it - any ideas?? Jo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Denise HyndSent: Tuesday, 7 September 2004 1:31 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Dear Jo I was not intending any reflection on doulas and I apologise if that is how my comments came across. I was reflecting on my expereinces and understanding of birth! Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:36 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi all, I have been reading the discussion on doula's with interest and am intrigued by some of the more negative comments towards the 'doula' profession. I tirelessly work for Homebirth Access Sydney and Homebirth Australia - co-ordinating both groups. Which also involves supporting Maternity Coalition and the wonderful Justine Caines. I consider myself a staunch advocate for women centred and best practice care. I run Active Birth workshopsand I work as a doula in my local community. I have 4 children - 3 of whom were born at home with a midwife and a doula, as well as other family members. Working as a doula in the hospital system has been so eliquently explained by Honey and Vida that i won't go into it. What I really wanted to remark on is the role of the doula when 1-2-1 midwifery led care is present. I'm interested to understand the idea that if we were to have a system like NZ why there wouldn't be the need for doula's? Our roles are very different and a doula can be a benefit in all birth settings. I was approached by our local homebirth midwife and asked to assist her and her clients at their homebirths, which i have been doing for about 6 months now. The midwife pays me - not the women and we workreally well together, supporting one another the whole way. Which of course in turn supports the woman and her family. It is working wonderfully and have only had positive feedback from the families whom i have supported. Doula's benefit women, but they can also benefit midwives - even in an ideal system! cheers Jo Hunter From: Nigel Berni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 6 September 2004 9:44 PMTo: jojoSubject: Fw: [ozmidwifery] doula article - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Dear Honey I agree with all you say I am only asking for the full story to be in the article that as you say Doulas are needed by women in a system that is not women centred. Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Honey Acharya To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article HI Kylie Iam a Doula (or Birth Buddy as we call ourselves)and can put you in touch with the midwifes we work with here in the public hospital in Townsville. We are welcomed by them and work well together. if that interests you email me directly [EMAIL PROTECTED] In response to Denyse I know 1-2-1 midwifery care would be the best option, but as we do not have that yet (I am one of the many consumers here pushing for it and a birth centre currently) Doulas fill that gap and more. On average a woman here going through our hospital system can see up to 35 different midwives through the course of her pregnancy and birth. On the other hand I develop a relationship with my clients,buildingtrust and knowing them is so important, I do not leave them when my shift is up, I stay and support throughout the length of the labour. I also know of quite a few women who have other women, support people, mothers and or doulas even when they have 1-2-1 midwifery care. As someone else said we support the partners too, how o
RE: [ozmidwifery] doula article
Have any of you birthed alone? I did, back in 1976. It's lonely and scary. My other supported births were better. Maybe we are creating another stream of carers, we did this with lactation consultants. Women can have whoever they want in labour when I am caring for them, partners, relatives, friends. I suspect some have brought their private midwives disguised as a friend. Who cares? Who's important? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Philippa ScottSent: Tuesday, 7 September 2004 9:55 PMTo: ozmidwiferySubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article This has since been said differently but I have written it so I'll send it in support of what Abby said. That the selling of the need for a professional doula undermines a womans belief that she can give birth by herself, and is disempowering. Would this not be the same for any birthing health professional then. Yes women can do birth entirely alone. But not all want to. So we have midwives, Dr's, Doula's, husbands, families friends (not in order of importance mind you) involved in the process. If a woman feels that she wants support then she should have it. By the same token I think a woman who wants to birth entirely alone should be respected for her choice. I may yet choose this for myself for much if not all of my labour I'm a doula. I don't think it is about need. Birthing women dont need anyone in my humble opinion. If they were stuck on an island they would do what they had to do in most cases. It is about choices preferences. Just my thoughts, I dont want to offend anyone I believe we are all important in our own ways. Please dont take this the wrong way, I want to empower women to know that we are optional extra's. Cheers Philippa Scott Birth Buddies
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article
Since this discussion started i have also been working my way through a brilliant book, and it is pointed out in there that The arrival of the trained support person is more evidence of the medicalisation of birth. I think this statement is true. Birth has become, for the majority in a lot of cultures, a medical event. I don't think trained support people are adding to that, but are trying tosupport the minimisation of medicalisation of birth.Trained support people, as in doulas are trying to bring back the tradition of women supporting women during birth. As are midwives, who in my opinion are trained support people. That the selling of the need for a professional doula undermines a womans belief that she can give birth by herself, and is disempowering. I have heard this too, but if we are really talking about "professionals" undermining a womans belief in herself, then couldn't the same be said about midwives? I would say that if we look at things with that thinking, then the "need" of a midwife is disempowering too. I am not saying that I think like this, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy in the statement. Once upon a time the peoplebirthing women had around them were their female relatives or the village women who had attendedother births. Traditional midwives did not know all the medical jargon, or need it, they did not know how to do an episiotomy or ve, they didn't need them either. I don't know what I am trying to say.lol! I just find it distressing that their is so much of, women need a midwife but they don't need a doula. I think we would all agree that in an ideal world, most women wouldn't need any of us. I think though, that women want other women around at birth, some may not, but it seems the majority do. Unfortunately we do not have the tradtitions being passed down from mother to daughter or aunt to niece or friend to friend etc, so there is a case for midwives and doulas. Why is it so terrible to some midwives for women to want a doula? Most doula courses teach about the traditions we have lost, it is, in our disconnected world, one of the only ways to learn them, apart from books etc. I know from my doula course, I learnt so much that I wish had been passed down through the generations. I gained somuch trust in the birthing mother and baby...trust that I would've had if I had grown up with women, in community, watching others birth their babies. Anyway.. it all comes back to what I believe is the essence of midwifery and doulaing, to be there for the woman, to support her and her family and to provide information for families. Some people say that if midwives were more available and 1-2-1 care was available that there would be no need for doulas, but I think if women had more trust in their bodies and there was common knowledge throughout the females today, then, in most cases,there would be no need for any "professional" in birth. The role of the midwife and the doula would be filled by the women of society. Love Abby
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article
Abby Right on Go girls to women!! Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Since this discussion started i have also been working my way through a brilliant book, and it is pointed out in there that The arrival of the trained support person is more evidence of the medicalisation of birth. I think this statement is true. Birth has become, for the majority in a lot of cultures, a medical event. I don't think trained support people are adding to that, but are trying tosupport the minimisation of medicalisation of birth.Trained support people, as in doulas are trying to bring back the tradition of women supporting women during birth. As are midwives, who in my opinion are trained support people. That the selling of the need for a professional doula undermines a womans belief that she can give birth by herself, and is disempowering. I have heard this too, but if we are really talking about "professionals" undermining a womans belief in herself, then couldn't the same be said about midwives? I would say that if we look at things with that thinking, then the "need" of a midwife is disempowering too. I am not saying that I think like this, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy in the statement. Once upon a time the peoplebirthing women had around them were their female relatives or the village women who had attendedother births. Traditional midwives did not know all the medical jargon, or need it, they did not know how to do an episiotomy or ve, they didn't need them either. I don't know what I am trying to say.lol! I just find it distressing that their is so much of, women need a midwife but they don't need a doula. I think we would all agree that in an ideal world, most women wouldn't need any of us. I think though, that women want other women around at birth, some may not, but it seems the majority do. Unfortunately we do not have the tradtitions being passed down from mother to daughter or aunt to niece or friend to friend etc, so there is a case for midwives and doulas. Why is it so terrible to some midwives for women to want a doula? Most doula courses teach about the traditions we have lost, it is, in our disconnected world, one of the only ways to learn them, apart from books etc. I know from my doula course, I learnt so much that I wish had been passed down through the generations. I gained somuch trust in the birthing mother and baby...trust that I would've had if I had grown up with women, in community, watching others birth their babies. Anyway.. it all comes back to what I believe is the essence of midwifery and doulaing, to be there for the woman, to support her and her family and to provide information for families. Some people say that if midwives were more available and 1-2-1 care was available that there would be no need for doulas, but I think if women had more trust in their bodies and there was common knowledge throughout the females today, then, in most cases,there would be no need for any "professional" in birth. The role of the midwife and the doula would be filled by the women of society. Love Abby
[ozmidwifery] doula discussion
Kirsten- Do women in New Zealandask friends or relatives to support them at birth? Kirsten you wrote "That the selling of the need for a professional doula undermines a woman's belief that she can give birth by herself, and is disempowering." Women usually believe they need midwives and or doctors to give birth. On a very rare occasion do I see a woman who is prepared to birth on her own. I would say that sometimes when a woman chooses to have a doula she is actually doing something that is part of her empowerment intaking back the responsibility for her birth rather than leaving it in medical hands and asking a doula to support her in whatever her choices are, a lot of whatI have been learning is how to support a woman to empower herself, by asking the right questions such as when they ask for advice or say what did you do? I would reply something like "How do you feel about that? and Would you like some more information on that? Would you like to go through the different options available to you? etc we do not give opinions recommendations or advice, we provide information on the risks and benefits if they ask for it, and we support them whatever their choice. Even if that means choosing to bottle-feed, having an elective caesarean or planning to have an epidural from the moment they enter the hospital. It is all about them and their choices. Some women will choose not to be informed in their choice and will decide that they simply want to follow the doctors suggestion such as when he says "if you were my wife I would want you to have a caesarean!" we can offer information but if they don't want it we will support them in that choice. Does that make sense. I also have a trust in the women I serve,I know they can birth their babies, and I do not in any way suggest that they could not do it without me. Growing up my godmother was the equivalent of a doula although I didn't realise it at the time, she would attend all of the births in the valley where she lived, some of the women she new well and some of them she'd never met, she never had any formal training but as she'd birthed 7 of her own and attended many births she was accepted as the person you rang in labour, and she worked alongside the homebirth GP or midwife. I am still new to the birthing world, and I am open to learning and admit I know very little compared to most of you on this list, thankyou for allowing me to be part of the discussions. A question for you all . Is it standard practice for you to debrief a birth with a woman (and or couple) ? If so, do you leave it open for them to also do more debriefing down the track? Thanks again Honey - Original Message - From: Callum Kirsten To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article I was not debating the validity of a doula, i was merely saying they are rare in NZ and why's that? I don't know the exact reason but it's interesting to compare the maternity systems and the popularity of Doulas here compared to the very small number in NZ. I had 1-2-1 midwifery care and would never have considered the idea of a doula and the things that have been said about what a doula does, was in fact done by my brilliant midwives. Now is that because i had independent midwives in NZ or not? I don't know. But i find it interesting. I can see how the role of a doula for the post natal period might be beneficial. Since this discussion started i have also been working my way through a brilliant book, and it is pointed out in there that The arrival of the trained support person is more evidence of the medicalisation of birth. That the selling of the need for a professional doula undermines a womans belief that she can give birth by herself, and is disempowering. As i said, i am new to the role of a doula and find it all abit confusing at times, and like i said, i can see the validity of the doula postnataly but am unsure of the rest. This is nothing personal at all against any doulas, it's probably more to do with my own philosophies.. Kirsten student midwife Darwin ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Dear Jo I was not intending any reflection on doulas and I apologise if that is how my comments came across. I was reflecting on my expereinces and understanding of birth! Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article
This has since been said differently but I have written it so I'll send it in support of what Abby said. That the selling of the need for a professional doula undermines a womans belief that she can give birth by herself, and is disempowering. Would this not be the same for any birthing health professional then. Yes women can do birth entirely alone. But not all want to. So we have midwives, Dr's, Doula's, husbands, families friends (not in order of importance mind you) involved in the process. If a woman feels that she wants support then she should have it. By the same token I think a woman who wants to birth entirely alone should be respected for her choice. I may yet choose this for myself for much if not all of my labour I'm a doula. I don't think it is about need. Birthing women dont need anyone in my humble opinion. If they were stuck on an island they would do what they had to do in most cases. It is about choices preferences. Just my thoughts, I dont want to offend anyone I believe we are all important in our own ways. Please dont take this the wrong way, I want to empower women to know that we are optional extra's. Cheers Philippa Scott Birth Buddies
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article
Well said Abby. You said it better than I could. - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Since this discussion started i have also been working my way through a brilliant book, and it is pointed out in there that The arrival of the trained support person is more evidence of the medicalisation of birth. I think this statement is true. Birth has become, for the majority in a lot of cultures, a medical event. I don't think trained support people are adding to that, but are trying tosupport the minimisation of medicalisation of birth.Trained support people, as in doulas are trying to bring back the tradition of women supporting women during birth. As are midwives, who in my opinion are trained support people. That the selling of the need for a professional doula undermines a womans belief that she can give birth by herself, and is disempowering. I have heard this too, but if we are really talking about "professionals" undermining a womans belief in herself, then couldn't the same be said about midwives? I would say that if we look at things with that thinking, then the "need" of a midwife is disempowering too. I am not saying that I think like this, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy in the statement. Once upon a time the peoplebirthing women had around them were their female relatives or the village women who had attendedother births. Traditional midwives did not know all the medical jargon, or need it, they did not know how to do an episiotomy or ve, they didn't need them either. I don't know what I am trying to say.lol! I just find it distressing that their is so much of, women need a midwife but they don't need a doula. I think we would all agree that in an ideal world, most women wouldn't need any of us. I think though, that women want other women around at birth, some may not, but it seems the majority do. Unfortunately we do not have the tradtitions being passed down from mother to daughter or aunt to niece or friend to friend etc, so there is a case for midwives and doulas. Why is it so terrible to some midwives for women to want a doula? Most doula courses teach about the traditions we have lost, it is, in our disconnected world, one of the only ways to learn them, apart from books etc. I know from my doula course, I learnt so much that I wish had been passed down through the generations. I gained somuch trust in the birthing mother and baby...trust that I would've had if I had grown up with women, in community, watching others birth their babies. Anyway.. it all comes back to what I believe is the essence of midwifery and doulaing, to be there for the woman, to support her and her family and to provide information for families. Some people say that if midwives were more available and 1-2-1 care was available that there would be no need for doulas, but I think if women had more trust in their bodies and there was common knowledge throughout the females today, then, in most cases,there would be no need for any "professional" in birth. The role of the midwife and the doula would be filled by the women of society. Love Abby
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well said, Abby. marilyn - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Since this discussion started i have also been working my way through a brilliant book, and it is pointed out in there that The arrival of the trained support person is more evidence of the medicalisation of birth. I think this statement is true. Birth has become, for the majority in a lot of cultures, a medical event. I don't think trained support people are adding to that, but are trying tosupport the minimisation of medicalisation of birth.Trained support people, as in doulas are trying to bring back the tradition of women supporting women during birth. As are midwives, who in my opinion are trained support people. That the selling of the need for a professional doula undermines a womans belief that she can give birth by herself, and is disempowering. I have heard this too, but if we are really talking about "professionals" undermining a womans belief in herself, then couldn't the same be said about midwives? I would say that if we look at things with that thinking, then the "need" of a midwife is disempowering too. I am not saying that I think like this, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy in the statement. Once upon a time the peoplebirthing women had around them were their female relatives or the village women who had attendedother births. Traditional midwives did not know all the medical jargon, or need it, they did not know how to do an episiotomy or ve, they didn't need them either. I don't know what I am trying to say.lol! I just find it distressing that their is so much of, women need a midwife but they don't need a doula. I think we would all agree that in an ideal world, most women wouldn't need any of us. I think though, that women want other women around at birth, some may not, but it seems the majority do. Unfortunately we do not have the tradtitions being passed down from mother to daughter or aunt to niece or friend to friend etc, so there is a case for midwives and doulas. Why is it so terrible to some midwives for women to want a doula? Most doula courses teach about the traditions we have lost, it is, in our disconnected world, one of the only ways to learn them, apart from books etc. I know from my doula course, I learnt so much that I wish had been passed down through the generations. I gained somuch trust in the birthing mother and baby...trust that I would've had if I had grown up with women, in community, watching others birth their babies. Anyway.. it all comes back to what I believe is the essence of midwifery and doulaing, to be there for the woman, to support her and her family and to provide information for families. Some people say that if midwives were more available and 1-2-1 care was available that there would be no need for doulas, but I think if women had more trust in their bodies and there was common knowledge throughout the females today, then, in most cases,there would be no need for any "professional" in birth. The role of the midwife and the doula would be filled by the women of society. Love Abby
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Hi all, I have been reading the discussion on doula's with interest and am intrigued by some of the more negative comments towards the 'doula' profession. I tirelessly work for Homebirth Access Sydney and Homebirth Australia - co-ordinating both groups. Which also involves supporting Maternity Coalition and the wonderful Justine Caines. I consider myself a staunch advocate for women centred and best practice care. I run Active Birth workshopsand I work as a doula in my local community. I have 4 children - 3 of whom were born at home with a midwife and a doula, as well as other family members. Working as a doula in the hospital system has been so eliquently explained by Honey and Vida that i won't go into it. What I really wanted to remark on is the role of the doula when 1-2-1 midwifery led care is present. I'm interested to understand the idea that if we were to have a system like NZ why there wouldn't be the need for doula's? Our roles are very different and a doula can be a benefit in all birth settings. I was approached by our local homebirth midwife and asked to assist her and her clients at their homebirths, which i have been doing for about 6 months now. The midwife pays me - not the women and we workreally well together, supporting one another the whole way. Which of course in turn supports the woman and her family. It is working wonderfully and have only had positive feedback from the families whom i have supported. Doula's benefit women, but they can also benefit midwives - even in an ideal system! cheers Jo Hunter From: Nigel Berni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 6 September 2004 9:44 PMTo: jojoSubject: Fw: [ozmidwifery] doula article - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Dear Honey I agree with all you say I am only asking for the full story to be in the article that as you say Doulas are needed by women in a system that is not women centred. Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Honey Acharya To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article HI Kylie Iam a Doula (or Birth Buddy as we call ourselves)and can put you in touch with the midwifes we work with here in the public hospital in Townsville. We are welcomed by them and work well together. if that interests you email me directly [EMAIL PROTECTED] In response to Denyse I know 1-2-1 midwifery care would be the best option, but as we do not have that yet (I am one of the many consumers here pushing for it and a birth centre currently) Doulas fill that gap and more. On average a woman here going through our hospital system can see up to 35 different midwives through the course of her pregnancy and birth. On the other hand I develop a relationship with my clients,buildingtrust and knowing them is so important, I do not leave them when my shift is up, I stay and support throughout the length of the labour. I also know of quite a few women who have other women, support people, mothers and or doulas even when they have 1-2-1 midwifery care. As someone else said we support the partners too, how often does a one on one widwife have timeor take the time to make sure the partner has drinks and food and emotional support. I know Andrea Robertsonhas written negatively about Doulas saying that our community should provide the support we need but Andrea has supported at births tooshe just doesn't use the word Doula when she does it. Also often our community doesn't always provide the support we need, and in fact many of us would prefer not to ask our mother or sister into the birthing room for a variety of reasons. In my community a huge amount of people here are army based often without family or friends nearby, and the women I have supported so far have become dear and close friends. I recenlty have been volunteering for a refugee family and this woman no longer lives in a tribal situation where the women gather round her and support her so I have become her friend and birth support person and advocate making sure she gets an interpretor when she goes for medical visits, taking the whole family to the beach for the first time in their lives, making them meals every two days since the baby has been born so that she can stick to her tradition of being pampered for the first 12 days and not overdoing it. I don't do that for profit but because i believeevery woman should have that support if she wants it. I don't think everyone wants or needs a doula but I believe that just as having a midwife is an important option in childbirth it is wonder
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Dear Jo I was not intending any reflection on doulas and I apologise if that is how my comments came across. I was reflecting on my expereinces and understanding of birth! Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:36 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi all, I have been reading the discussion on doula's with interest and am intrigued by some of the more negative comments towards the 'doula' profession. I tirelessly work for Homebirth Access Sydney and Homebirth Australia - co-ordinating both groups. Which also involves supporting Maternity Coalition and the wonderful Justine Caines. I consider myself a staunch advocate for women centred and best practice care. I run Active Birth workshopsand I work as a doula in my local community. I have 4 children - 3 of whom were born at home with a midwife and a doula, as well as other family members. Working as a doula in the hospital system has been so eliquently explained by Honey and Vida that i won't go into it. What I really wanted to remark on is the role of the doula when 1-2-1 midwifery led care is present. I'm interested to understand the idea that if we were to have a system like NZ why there wouldn't be the need for doula's? Our roles are very different and a doula can be a benefit in all birth settings. I was approached by our local homebirth midwife and asked to assist her and her clients at their homebirths, which i have been doing for about 6 months now. The midwife pays me - not the women and we workreally well together, supporting one another the whole way. Which of course in turn supports the woman and her family. It is working wonderfully and have only had positive feedback from the families whom i have supported. Doula's benefit women, but they can also benefit midwives - even in an ideal system! cheers Jo Hunter From: Nigel Berni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 6 September 2004 9:44 PMTo: jojoSubject: Fw: [ozmidwifery] doula article - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Dear Honey I agree with all you say I am only asking for the full story to be in the article that as you say Doulas are needed by women in a system that is not women centred. Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Honey Acharya To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article HI Kylie Iam a Doula (or Birth Buddy as we call ourselves)and can put you in touch with the midwifes we work with here in the public hospital in Townsville. We are welcomed by them and work well together. if that interests you email me directly [EMAIL PROTECTED] In response to Denyse I know 1-2-1 midwifery care would be the best option, but as we do not have that yet (I am one of the many consumers here pushing for it and a birth centre currently) Doulas fill that gap and more. On average a woman here going through our hospital system can see up to 35 different midwives through the course of her pregnancy and birth. On the other hand I develop a relationship with my clients,buildingtrust and knowing them is so important, I do not leave them when my shift is up, I stay and support throughout the length of the labour. I also know of quite a few women who have other women, support people, mothers and or doulas even when they have 1-2-1 midwifery care. As someone else said we support the partners too, how often does a one on one widwife have timeor take the time to make sure the partner has drinks and food and emotional support. I know Andrea Robertsonhas written negatively about Doulas saying that our community should provide the support we need but Andrea has supported at births tooshe just doesn't use the word Doula when she does it. Also often our community doesn't always provide the support we need, and in fact many of us would prefer not to ask our mother or sister into the birthing room for a variety of reasons. In my community a huge amount of people here are army based often without family or friends nearby, and the women I have supported so far have become dear and close friends. I recenlty have been volunteering for a refugee family and this woman no longer lives in a tribal situation wh
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I was not debating the validity of a doula, i was merely saying they are rare in NZ and why's that? I don't know the exact reason but it's interesting to compare the maternity systems and the popularity of Doulas here compared to the very small number in NZ. I had 1-2-1 midwifery care and would never have considered the idea of a doula and the things that have been said about what a doula does, was in fact done by my brilliant midwives. Now is that because i had independent midwives in NZ or not? I don't know. But i find it interesting. I can see how the role of a doula for the post natal period might be beneficial. Since this discussion started i have also been working my way through a brilliant book, and it is pointed out in there that The arrival of the trained support person is more evidence of the medicalisation of birth. That the selling of the need for a professional doula undermines a womans belief that she can give birth by herself, and is disempowering. As i said, i am new to the role of a doula and find it all abit confusing at times, and like i said, i can see the validity of the doula postnataly but am unsure of the rest. This is nothing personal at all against any doulas, it's probably more to do with my own philosophies.. Kirsten student midwife Darwin ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Dear Jo I was not intending any reflection on doulas and I apologise if that is how my comments came across. I was reflecting on my expereinces and understanding of birth! Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:36 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi all, I have been reading the discussion on doula's with interest and am intrigued by some of the more negative comments towards the 'doula' profession. I tirelessly work for Homebirth Access Sydney and Homebirth Australia - co-ordinating both groups. Which also involves supporting Maternity Coalition and the wonderful Justine Caines. I consider myself a staunch advocate for women centred and best practice care. I run Active Birth workshopsand I work as a doula in my local community. I have 4 children - 3 of whom were born at home with a midwife and a doula, as well as other family members. Working as a doula in the hospital system has been so eliquently explained by Honey and Vida that i won't go into it. What I really wanted to remark on is the role of the doula when 1-2-1 midwifery led care is present. I'm interested to understand the idea that if we were to have a system like NZ why there wouldn't be the need for doula's? Our roles are very different and a doula can be a benefit in all birth settings. I was approached by our local homebirth midwife and asked to assist her and her clients at their homebirths, which i have been doing for about 6 months now. The midwife pays me - not the women and we workreally well together, supporting one another the whole way. Which of course in turn supports the woman and her family. It is working wonderfully and have only had positive feedback from the families whom i have supported. Doula's benefit women, but they can also benefit midwives - even in an ideal system! cheers Jo Hunter From: Nigel Berni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 6 September 2004 9:44 PMTo: jojoSubject: Fw: [ozmidwifery] doula article - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Dear Honey I agree with all you say I am only asking for the full story to be in the article that as you say Doulas are needed by women in a system that is not women centred. Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Honey Acharya To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article HI Kylie Iam a Doula (or Birth Buddy as we call ourselves)and can put you in touch with the midwifes we work with here in the public hospital in Townsville. We are welcomed by them and work well together. if that interests you email me direc
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Personally I've experienced an Obstetric hospital birth and then 3 water births at home with the same Independent midwife. For each of my home births I welcomed another individual to be there for support. I have shared my birth with 2 different friends and the third time with a B-Mid student. I always saw their role as supporting my partner and I in what was needed, as simple as a glass of water being close by or to take photos and video of the birth or most importantly getting water in that pool!!! I guess I believe that it isn't necessary for our midwife to be there for all of the labour, and on all 3 births she only saw the last hour give or take. I knew when it was time for her to come to me. The women invited to my births had all experienced birth themselves and respected their place in it all. In honesty I didn't need them to give birth, but each added a memorable part and it is a link I will have with each of them forever. Maybe the focus could be on what a person brings to the experience, not what they are called. my bit on this interesting discussion, Megan This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Sally I didn't mean that the doula necessarily knew she was getting her feet wet by attending homebirths but more that this is what she may be doing. It is a fine line. Just a note on apprenticeship: it is not something easy to attain especially by most women in western cultures today who may not even know a home birth midwife let alone know one well enough to be invited to apprentice. In the USA where this is a common way that MANA midwives are trained/educated apprenticeship positions are coveted but the demand far outstrips the supply. Thus women who feel called to be with women often do become doulas first. Many go no further feeling fulfilled in that role. And you are right, their role is a knowledgeable supporter not a medically dabbled one. That being said most doulas I know truly are well educated. Most (or should I say many or even a few) birth doulas also provide postnatal care or at least know women who do. Of course you can run into postnatal doulas who are offering advice on breastfeeding/lactation, baby care, mothering etc.. At some point we have to trust women to sort it all out. However it is a grey area and what can be a collaborative or complementary effort can easily become a turf war. I have only had one experience which was frustrating at the time but humorous in hind sight, I think years ago I mentioned it on this list: the doula who jumped into the birthing pool to support the perineum...umm! quite a night that one. She however truly was the exception (in many many ways). marilyn - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article I think the confusion between aspiring midwife/doula is an interesting one. An aspiring midwife who is wishing to 'get' experience as well as supporting a woman at a birth i would like to see apprenticed to a midwife or a group of midwives rather than selling herself as a doula. The aspiring women then is in a place of training 'with woman' and 'with sister midwife'. The old way of growing midwives. (this is my bias as i'm eternally grateful to the midwives who 'grew me'. Thanks Helen, Terry and Annie in Tassie!) A doula has a different role in not dabbling in the medical but staying 'with woman'and 'with family'. One of the things that i really would like to see more emphasis on is the post- natal doula. In a society that has become fragmented and families isolated having another experienced woman supporting the emering mother/father/family is a vital ingredient. Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife Quoting Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You know i think when doulas are seen as a threat to the midwife's role either in the home as an independent practitioner or in the hospital setting no matter how tuned in or turned on or turned off the hospital is then the doula becomes an adverary and she is a threat. However she is not meant to be this but rather a compassionate support person who has up to date knowledge about whatever childbirth setting the woman has chosen. She is there to make sure the woman is massaged, has hot towels, gets her feet rubbed, relieves dad to go to the toilet, remains as active as possible, explain what is happening to the woman her partner and relatives (which may or may not include previous children). She is not there to replace anybody just to add to. If we are honest we all know that on some shifts we can provide all of the above to women and on other shifts with the best of intentions we just can not. In a busy homebirth practice this can be true too, however to be honest doulas at homebirths are often want to be midwives getting their feet wet and if they are welcomed by everyone can provide and have a rewarding experience. But again they provide massages etc sometimes to dad and the midwife too. Some doulas are payed in money, others barter, and for others it is simply the birth experience and they would pay to be there. Many women choose a doula when in a hospital setting they feel their partner will not be up to the negotiating with health care professionals, or will not be able to help them resist using drugs they do not want to use...simple as that. And it is true many men become so overwhelmed by their partners labour they cannot or do not advocate like this. Of course as a doula you have to realise that you have absolutely no right but that you can support the woman and her partner in their choices. In most cases doulas are chosen to help the woman have as drug free a birth as possible, if this is taken as an indicment of our system then so be it. marilyn - Original Message - From: Callum Kirsten To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 3:10 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article I think i have to agree with you Denise. In NZ where the maternity system is different
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I may not have anything to really add to this discussion but I am a Doula in Townsville, (Honey I Work together) I am 7mths pg planning a VBAC. So far most of my clients have actually been 2nd time parents who felt that something had been lacking in their care the first time. It was the one to one care. As Honey said we dont have that here. YET! We are working on it. Half of my clients have been VBAC, they say they see me as someone that they know really understands their desires, from personal experience hours of listening. For myself I had my hubby, sister, mother girlfriend at the birth of my daughter (an induced posterior c/s) none of them knew anything about the birthing culture or what the implications of decisions were. I believe that had I had someone in the room who both knew what was happening who was there for me things would have been different, maybe not the outcome but how I felt about it. We have some wonderful midwives up here who do the very best they can in the situation they are currently in but they cant drop around on the Saturday afternoon when your 8 days overdue say "howare you feeling?". I can my clients appreciate this. I think we all have an important role if we cant work together then we are probably in the wrong field. After all it is not even about us. I only wish I could have a midwife of my own. But no-one up here is doing it. The only continuity a woman can get up here is us. I think that is really sad. It is no-one fault but together with the dedicated midwives at our public hospital other consumers we will make a difference. I am so pleased that this article is being written. We all have so much to offer. Like I said I haven't really added anything but just wanted to show my support for midwives, doula's most importantly women's choices. Cheers Philippa ScottBirth Buddies
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I may not have anything to really add to this discussion but I am a Doula in Townsville, (Honey I Work together) I am 7mths pg planning a VBAC. So far most of my clients have actually been 2nd time parents who felt that something had been lacking in their care the first time. It was the one to one care. As Honey said we dont have that here. YET! We are working on it. Half of my clients have been VBAC, they say they see me as someone that they know really understands their desires, from personal experience hours of listening. For myself I had my hubby, sister, mother girlfriend at the birth of my daughter (an induced posterior c/s) none of them knew anything about the birthing culture or what the implications of decisions were. I believe that had I had someone in the room who both knew what was happening who was there for me things would have been different, maybe not the outcome but how I felt about it. We have some wonderful midwives up here who do the very best they can in the situation they are currently in but they cant drop around on the Saturday afternoon when your 8 days overdue say "howare you feeling?". I can my clients appreciate this. I think we all have an important role if we cant work together then we are probably in the wrong field. After all it is not even about us. I only wish I could have a midwife of my own. But no-one up here is doing it. The only continuity a woman can get up here is us. I think that is really sad. It is no-one fault but together with the dedicated midwives at our public hospital other consumers we will make a difference. I am so pleased that this article is being written. We all have so much to offer. Like I said I haven't really added anything but just wanted to show my support for midwives, doula's most importantly women's choices. Cheers Philippa ScottBirth Buddies
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Kirsten, I personally did not 'choose' which way I would go, I always wanted to be a midwife but was waiting for Direct Entry Midwifery (Bachelor of Midwifery), whilst waiting I worked as a 'doula' 'support person' 'birth attendant' whatever anyone wished to call me, as long as I was providing something the family wanted and being able to facilitate the safe and desired birth the family required. I gave up waiting and did enrol to be a midwife.. I was only there for 6 months and had to withdraw due to my back injury as I am unable to work at present due to workcover directive. I still offer my services as a birth attendant and will probably work in that area as I am unable to complete my midwifery studies due to my injury etc. I must say that during the 6 months of study and working in a labour ward, I did question my desires in regards to what I really wanted. I found that by 'working' as a midwife in the current maternity care climate I was bogged down with the paperwork, policies and procedures etc. whereas I found my 'doula' work to be in some ways much more satisfying in being able to be provide an aspect of continuity of care and maintain the support throughout the labour etc. Whereas when being the 'midwife' I still had to attend to other clients on the ward, assist other midwifes, until of course 2nd stage where the 1 on 1 really kicks in for the midwife (this is from personal experience and previous experience as working as a support person, not a 'dig' at midwifes whom I feel are very restricted given each individual institution) but still whilst offering verbal support the main 'focus' was on the perineum and getting baby out. This was where I questioned if I really wanted to be a midwife or support person. Given the slowly changing tide and hopefully the demand of continuity of care etc. from birthing families midwifes will be able to provide the ideal that we all hope for and try to attain within the restrictions that are placed upon us. There are many restrictions on peoples choice in regards not only to our options to birth our child the way we desire, but also to follow our dreams in relationship to studying to become a midwife or taking the 'doula' path. I do hope to return to study and complete my midwifery degree, so that I amy eventually become a private midwife and that our 'wonderful' government will eventually provide medicare rebates for homebirths etc. to support the families choices in the childbirth arena. Yours in Childbirth and Callum Kirsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I apologise i left NZ in 2002, as of then i should state i knew of no doulas, although there could have been.I find the whole thing rather confusing, can i ask why you choose to be a doula and not a midwife?(I'm seriously asking, not being sarcastic either.)Kirsten With the love of FRIENDSHIP Rita Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
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I apologise i left NZ in 2002, as of then i should state i knew of no doulas, although there could have been. I find the whole thing rather confusing, can i ask why you choose to be a doula and not a midwife? (I'm seriously asking, not being sarcastic either.) Kirsten ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Vida Rye [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 2:11 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] doula article Kirsten wrote: I think i have to agree with you Denise. In NZ where the maternity system is different to here in Australia, and there is more woman centered midwifery care there are no doulas that i know of. In fact one of my lecturers at Auckland University of Technology, told us one day that Doulas were a threat to midwives and their role. To me (and i may be naive) that's what care/support i expect to give as a midwifesnipCertainly also why australia needs them when NZ a different maternity system doesn't. Maybe it does say something about the current system? Well just wanted to say Hi from a Doula based in NZ. I disagree about there not being a need for Doulas in NZ and I find it sad that this is the attitude of that lecturer of a Midwifery degree in NZ (although it does not surprise me from some of the anti-Doula stuff I have come across from some sectors of midwifery here). I have lived here since 2002 and I came to NZ with the naive and idealistic viewpoint that my Birth Doula role would not be needed because I had heard such wonderful things about the NZ midwifery system. This made me happy although I knew I would miss my birth work So I have been concentrating on postnatal Doula work and promoting infant massage in the community. However, whilst the NZ midwifery system is different to the UK and in many aspects more woman-centred, I still soon started receiving enquiries from women saying that they needed a birth doula. On many occasions I have been contacted because women say they need extra support because they feel that their birth journey is being too medicalised and, upon talking to them, it transpires that in an ideal world they wanted a home, water birth or something similar and yet they are ending up in hospital because their midwife doesn't do water births and has no back-up for homebirths... These womens' choices are being limited by their LMC (Lead Materity Carer). On these occasions what I have thankfully been able to do is put these women in touch with more woman-centred midwives who I *know* will be able to offer them the options that they are wanting in an ideal world. I strongly believe in and support independent midwifery, and women and their partners rights to be fully informed and have access to all the options. I know of possibly one other doula who is/was practising in Palmerston North, but other than that I seem to be on my tod although I'm trying to get the word out there to see if there are any other women passionate about birth who want to offer encouragement and support to parents-to-be and new parents. I have had to turn down 4 birth doula roles in the last 2 months because there is only 1 of me and no back-up doula support in the area (although a doula in training with DONA has just arrived from Canada recently). I agree too with Sally Westbury that it would be great if more emphasis was placed on the Postnatal Doula role. This is what I have been concentrating on in Wellington whilst I build up relationships built on *trust of the Doula role* within the local birthing community and, very similar to Honey's story, I am part of a group of consumers who, along with local midwives, are trying to promote the idea of a birthing centre which we hope will encourage, in the long term, more homebirths here. And Hurrah for Kylie, for being determined to concentrate on the *positives* in your article if we all saw the positives not the negatives and worked together, passing on our common knowledge and experience of natural birth through generations and from culture to culture, what a fantastic worldwide community spirit there would be. :o) Vida Rye Wellington, NZ www.kiwidoula.com www.nurturenz.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.860 (20040903) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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I have to add my little bit in here as well, As a South African trained Midwife and Nurse Practitioner I understand the need for proffessionalism and agree to it BUT somewhere ,somehow WE in RSA / the World,seemed to have fogotten that nursing is and should be a calling that it starts with having the heart of a servant (foot and bottom washers)where the patient / client / person in need of guidance and care comes first .We lost the passion when 1 we started stiking for pay incremants( I didnt strike but I know I'm happy with the pay increments*sigh*)and 2 we became to proffessional to 'Get down to it' (1977 thereabouts).What was really strangewas how we as Nurse Practitionershave been treated by the rest of the Medical Proffession,A threat !!Nurses supposedlynot clever enough todo Medicine now wanting to do the doctors work,never mind that we spend more time with the one needing help,much more and we get to diagnose whole syndroms more often as a result AND we work wherefew others more qualified will because the pay is less!!!.and we are not simply allowed to bury our mistakes as has been the practise in many countries. Well I dont mean to step on toes and Im in no way trying to be confrontational.Ihave an 18 year old rugby playing son who has to date never had an antibiotic and I have successfully helped people(Documented proof ) off type2 Diabetic and Hypertensive medication,treated Pneumonia succesfully using only Ascorbic acid and Ventolinand a host of other threatening stuff only because I took the time. I am currently re registering for Midwifery in Australiaand the Doula, a concept foreign and new to me,from what I read, is the person I hope to become like and will look forward to working with. Thanks for all the informative stuff I read on your e-mail site Not threatened,Idealistic and at peace with striving for less of me and more for my pasient Colleen - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi, Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but as doulas and midwives, are we not all there to support a woman, It should be about her, not who is a threat to who. When it becomes about our positions, it stops being about the woman and her journey. Just my 2cents. I have read some very negative articles about doulas and it shows me, that the person writing is more concerned about positions than the birthing women. Love Abby
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Jilly Rosser, A U.K. Midwife said in 1983: "midwifery used to be a vocation, now, sadly, it is just a job". MM
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Hello, I missed the doula article but get the gist, I think. I've been a midwife for 30 years and have never seen a doula. Research from Hodnett ED. et al, Continuous support for women during childbirth (Cochrane Review) In: The Cochrane Library, Issue 3, 2004, Chichester, UK: John Wiley Sons, Ltd. In general, labour support was more effective when it was provided by women who were not part of the hospital staff I believe this to be true, and you probably all know that. Hospitals are not reflective, nor conducive, to real midwifery care. regards, Elizabeth McAlpine - Original Message - From: Callum Kirsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 12:53 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article I apologise i left NZ in 2002, as of then i should state i knew of no doulas, although there could have been. I find the whole thing rather confusing, can i ask why you choose to be a doula and not a midwife? (I'm seriously asking, not being sarcastic either.) Kirsten ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Vida Rye [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 2:11 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] doula article Kirsten wrote: I think i have to agree with you Denise. In NZ where the maternity system is different to here in Australia, and there is more woman centered midwifery care there are no doulas that i know of. In fact one of my lecturers at Auckland University of Technology, told us one day that Doulas were a threat to midwives and their role. To me (and i may be naive) that's what care/support i expect to give as a midwifesnipCertainly also why australia needs them when NZ a different maternity system doesn't. Maybe it does say something about the current system? Well just wanted to say Hi from a Doula based in NZ. I disagree about there not being a need for Doulas in NZ and I find it sad that this is the attitude of that lecturer of a Midwifery degree in NZ (although it does not surprise me from some of the anti-Doula stuff I have come across from some sectors of midwifery here). I have lived here since 2002 and I came to NZ with the naive and idealistic viewpoint that my Birth Doula role would not be needed because I had heard such wonderful things about the NZ midwifery system. This made me happy although I knew I would miss my birth work So I have been concentrating on postnatal Doula work and promoting infant massage in the community. However, whilst the NZ midwifery system is different to the UK and in many aspects more woman-centred, I still soon started receiving enquiries from women saying that they needed a birth doula. On many occasions I have been contacted because women say they need extra support because they feel that their birth journey is being too medicalised and, upon talking to them, it transpires that in an ideal world they wanted a home, water birth or something similar and yet they are ending up in hospital because their midwife doesn't do water births and has no back-up for homebirths... These womens' choices are being limited by their LMC (Lead Materity Carer). On these occasions what I have thankfully been able to do is put these women in touch with more woman-centred midwives who I *know* will be able to offer them the options that they are wanting in an ideal world. I strongly believe in and support independent midwifery, and women and their partners rights to be fully informed and have access to all the options. I know of possibly one other doula who is/was practising in Palmerston North, but other than that I seem to be on my tod although I'm trying to get the word out there to see if there are any other women passionate about birth who want to offer encouragement and support to parents-to-be and new parents. I have had to turn down 4 birth doula roles in the last 2 months because there is only 1 of me and no back-up doula support in the area (although a doula in training with DONA has just arrived from Canada recently). I agree too with Sally Westbury that it would be great if more emphasis was placed on the Postnatal Doula role. This is what I have been concentrating on in Wellington whilst I build up relationships built on *trust of the Doula role* within the local birthing community and, very similar to Honey's story, I am part of a group of consumers who, along with local midwives, are trying to promote the idea of a birthing centre which we hope will encourage, in the long term, more homebirths here. And Hurrah for Kylie, for being determined to concentrate on the *positives* in your article if we all saw the positives not the negatives and worked together, passing on our common knowledge and experience of natural birth through generations and from culture
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Kirsten said: I apologise i left NZ in 2002, as of then i should state i knew of no doulas, although there could have been. I find the whole thing rather confusing, can i ask why you choose to be a doula and not a midwife? (I'm seriously asking, not being sarcastic either.) No need to apologise Kirsten at all - I assure you I did not take offence :o) - just thought I should say Hi so that people know that there are a couple/few doulas at least in NZ and I was explaining how I see things having moved to NZ as a doula already. Only yesterday I have found another CBE and doula in NZ who contacted me from Auckland and I also spoke with a disillusioned midwife here who wants to know more about being a doula You ask a hge question. I see the Doula and the Midwife as two distinct roles that do however complement one another. I have no passion to learn about the clinical aspects of pregnancy/birth care although I do strongly believe in having a good knowledge about the natural physiological aspects. I am proud to be a laywoman whilst at the same time I constantly strive to improve my knowledge and experience by attending workshops/courses about pregnancy and birth, and by being with women. Pregnancy, labour and birth for me cover the emotional/mental/spiritual/practical/physical - a really holistic look at things. In my experience, I do not see the majority of midwives getting alongside women who are pregnant and preparing for labour/birth on an emotional and spiritual level - most are too overworked to be able to invest this much time in doing that and some don't have the inclination to either - or they may see birth as much more a medical/clinical event than that - and that is ok if the women that they are supporting also see it in that way. However, there are many women who *do* see the experience in a more holistic way. I think there are many midwives that have become medicalised without actually realising it, and equally (as in any walk of life/vocation/job there are the opposite extremes) there are many who have a wonderful philosophy towards pregnancy/labour/birth. Midwives usually have to work within the policies/procedures of their hospital or Trust Board or whatever governing body they are under. There are always *far* too many politics involved when it comes to working for these bodies - something very simple is made much more (dangerously, in my view) complicated. I have chosen not to be part of that. Being an independent consumer (as I am called!) I feel I have more power to make a difference... I am self-employed and offer myself out there for the woman and her partner to choose to have me if they feel that they need that extra support, and I also offer my services voluntarily/or on sliding scale so that it is not just those that can afford that get I have a passion for my role and I share with them my experiences and try to encourage them to take the responsibility for the birth of their baby back from the medical world and to learn about the natural physiology of birth, about their own bodies and to give them tools to really use together. I aim to enable them to challenge their assumptions about labour and birth and turn their negative connotations into positive ones ... to stop seeing the midwife or medical team as the people that get them through the uncomfortable/painful event that gets them the wonderful bit - their baby!! I encourage them to work *with* their midwives so that those midwives can truly become the Guardians of birth. With women depending on themselves and their partners to work through labour, midwives will be less tired and frustrated and in the long term we will develop a *confident* birthing population rather than one that is based on *fear* There are tools out there written in plain English which can help women and their partners learn about and trust their own bodies and reduce their fear. I am currently 7 months pregnant and working with my husband through The Pink Kit which I think is a wonderful resource (see www.birthingbetter.com) and we are also learning hypnobirthing relaxation techniques so that we can change our outlook on birth together to be positive through and through, whilst at the same time we are also realistic about the *small* percentage of birth situations that do require medical assistance - and thankfully we do have the expertise and skills out there in our midwives and doctors for those times. I have seen labour/birth be a painless and joyful process from start to finish - the mind is a *very* powerful thing that we all underestimate. If only we would listen to it more.. I hope that explains a bit where I am coming from... Best wishes Vida www.nurturenz.com www.kiwidoula.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Dear Honey Where are you?? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Honey Acharya To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi Denise Irealised that you were asking for the full details pros and cons to be in the story,but I guess your emailprompted me to support the work that I do.I hope I didn't sound attacking. I am so passionate about women, birth and birthing choices thatI spend a large part of my life at the moment working towards a better system. Before we did anything here as a small consumer group we consulted the midwives and asked them how we could best support them and what we should all focus on achieving. It came out that a Birth Centre with one on one midwifery care was something we could all work towards and was achievable in the current circumstances. We are working madly to get things really happening and lobbying the politicians especially with the federal election coming up. We have to have a really sound proposal so that it shows we have really done the groundwork and it is clear the direction we are heading in. Thanks for the discussion,I think it is so important that we keep evaluating and reflecting. Honey - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Dear Honey I agree with all you say I am only asking for the full story to be in the article that as you say Doulas are needed by women in a system that is not women centred. Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Honey Acharya To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article HI Kylie Iam a Doula (or Birth Buddy as we call ourselves)and can put you in touch with the midwifes we work with here in the public hospital in Townsville. We are welcomed by them and work well together. if that interests you email me directly [EMAIL PROTECTED] In response to Denyse I know 1-2-1 midwifery care would be the best option, but as we do not have that yet (I am one of the many consumers here pushing for it and a birth centre currently) Doulas fill that gap and more. On average a woman here going through our hospital system can see up to 35 different midwives through the course of her pregnancy and birth. On the other hand I develop a relationship with my clients,buildingtrust and knowing them is so important, I do not leave them when my shift is up, I stay and support throughout the length of the labour. I also know of quite a few women who have other women, support people, mothers and or doulas even when they have 1-2-1 midwifery care. As someone else said we support the partners too, how often does a one on one widwife have timeor take the time to make sure the partner has drinks and food and emotional support. I know Andrea Robertsonhas written negatively about Doulas saying that our community should provide the support we need but Andrea has supported at births tooshe just doesn't use the word Doula when she does it. Also often our community doesn't always provide the support we need, and in fact many of us would prefer not to ask our mother or sister into the birthing room for a variety of reasons. In my community a huge amount of people here are army based often without family or friends nearby, and the women I have supported so far have become dear and close friends. I recenlty have been volunteering for a refugee family and this woman no longer lives in a tribal situation where the women gather round her and support her so I have become her friend and birth support person and advocate making sure she gets an interpretor when she goes for medical visits, taking the whole family to the beach for the first time in their lives, making them meals every two days since the baby has been born so that she can stick to her tradition of being pampered for the first 12 days and not overdoing it. I don't do that for profit but because i believeevery woman should have that support if she wants it. I don't think everyone wants or needs a doula but I believe that just as having a midwife is an important
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Hi Vida I just wanted to say how impressed I am with what you are doing and offering these women (cool website as well). I wish you had of existed when I had my own children. While I had a wonderful midwife providing continuity of care, she also cared for 3 other women a month (which does not seem like a lot) and had a young family herself.While her visitsranged from 1 hour to 1.5 hours, shealreadyinvested more time than the average midwife and had other commitments in her life as a woman, mother and wife. I don't think she would have been interested in doing the housework or helping me catch up on some sleepas well, so I can see how doula's and midwives do complement each other very well.I also think that some midwives are more 'holistic' than others. Speaking from a midwife, I would find your presence very reassuring and helpful. While I strive to offer continuity of care to the best of my ability and under the constraints in which we work, there are limitiations to all that we can cover and in what detail. I am NZ trained and like Kirsten, never knew any doula's existed back home. I may have been ignorant butI never came across any, andneither were theyspoken of - in the workplace or at uni so 'out of sight, out of mind' almost... While I think that NZ women are very fortunate in comparison to their Australian counterparts, there are also many gaps that need filling, of which I can see a definite place for the doula. Moving to another country also gives us a greater understanding of different practices and environments and helps to peice together, the big picutre. Anyway, enough rambling... great work and thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. Kim Stead Midwife : Birth-Wise Midwifery www.birth-wise.com. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 5/09/2004 9:49:19 a.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] doula article Kirsten said: I apologise i left NZ in 2002, as of then i should state i knew of no doulas, although there could have been. I find the whole thing rather confusing, can i ask why you choose to be a doula and not a midwife?(I'm seriously asking, not being sarcastic either.) No need to apologise Kirsten at all - I assure you I did not take offence :o) - just thought I should say "Hi" so that people know that there are a couple/few doulas at least in NZ and I was explaining how I see things having moved to NZ as a doula already.Only yesterday I have found another CBE and "doula" in NZ who contacted me from Auckland and I also spoke with a disillusioned midwife here who wants to know more about being a doula You ask a hge question. I see the Doula and the Midwife as two distinct roles that do however complement one another.I have no passion to learn about the clinical aspects of pregnancy/birth care although I do strongly believe in having a good knowledge about the natural physiological aspects.I am proud to be a laywoman whilst at the same time I constantly strive to improve my knowledge and experience by attending workshops/courses about pregnancy and birth, and by being with women.Pregnancy, labour and birth for me cover the emotional/mental/spiritual/practical/physical - a really holistic look at things.In my experience, I do not see the majority of midwives getting alongside women who are pregnant and preparing for labour/birth on an emotional and spiritual level - most are too overworked to be able to invest this much time in doing that and some don't have the inclination to either - or they may see birth as much more a medical/clinical event than that - and that is ok if the women that they are supporting also see it in that way.However, there are many women who *do* see the experience in a more holistic way.I think there are many midwives that have become medicalised without actually realising it, and equally (as in any walk of life/vocation/job there are the opposite extremes) there are many who have a wonderful philosophy towards pregnancy/labour/birth. Midwives usually have to work within the policies/procedures of their hospital or Trust Board or whatever governing body they are under.There are always *far* too many politics involved when it comes to working for these bodies - something very simple is made much more (dangerously, in my view) complicated.I have chosen not to be part of that.Being an independent "consumer" (as I am called!) I feel I have more power to make a difference... I am self-employed and offer myself "out there" for the woman and her partner to "choose" to have me if they feel that they need that extra support, and I also offer my services voluntarily/or on sliding scale so that it is not just those that can afford that getI have a passion for my role and I share with them my experiences and try to encourage them to take the responsibility for the birth of their baby back from "the medical world" and to learn about the natural
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Hi Vida, and thanks! I can see why you do what you do, and several of the amazing midwives i have met here in Darwin, are all that and more.They are not in the slightest following a medical model although when you say that i also know what you mean. In my philosophy and i'm sure ther are alot of other students and already trained midwives who also view pregnancy, birth, and the postpartum period with a hollistic view, many midwives who attend alot of home births are like this. You sound like you would make a fantastic midwife, the mecialised training means yes, you learn things like, BP's, palps, VE's etc, but just because you learn these does not mean you do them routinely. Many midwives i know, so not do ve's etc at all. Same goes for me, what i learn in skilss through my degree gives me skills, but does not make me the midwife i am, that's all to do with my philosophy, no amount of mecialised midwifery training is ever going cahnge how i see pregnancy and birth. But i will have the skills should i need them, i also have the skills to know when things are deviating for normal and seeking help. I have recently brought Andrea Robertsons book, the midwife companion, and i have to say this book will never leave my side. I do find it hard training to do things that are different from my philosophies, BUT i know these are necesary and it's books like Andreas which really help me to stop feeling disheartened. I'm probably starting to ramble now, it is nice to meet you though, someone with similar philosophies to my own. Feel free to email me anytime to swap stories etc! PS if yo haven't already buy Andreas book, i think you will really love it. Kirsten Darwin. ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Vida Rye [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 9:02 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] doula article Kirsten said: I apologise i left NZ in 2002, as of then i should state i knew of no doulas, although there could have been. I find the whole thing rather confusing, can i ask why you choose to be a doula and not a midwife? (I'm seriously asking, not being sarcastic either.) No need to apologise Kirsten at all - I assure you I did not take offence :o) - just thought I should say Hi so that people know that there are a couple/few doulas at least in NZ and I was explaining how I see things having moved to NZ as a doula already. Only yesterday I have found another CBE and doula in NZ who contacted me from Auckland and I also spoke with a disillusioned midwife here who wants to know more about being a doula You ask a hge question. I see the Doula and the Midwife as two distinct roles that do however complement one another. I have no passion to learn about the clinical aspects of pregnancy/birth care although I do strongly believe in having a good knowledge about the natural physiological aspects. I am proud to be a laywoman whilst at the same time I constantly strive to improve my knowledge and experience by attending workshops/courses about pregnancy and birth, and by being with women. Pregnancy, labour and birth for me cover the emotional/mental/spiritual/practical/physical - a really holistic look at things. In my experience, I do not see the majority of midwives getting alongside women who are pregnant and preparing for labour/birth on an emotional and spiritual level - most are too overworked to be able to invest this much time in doing that and some don't have the inclination to either - or they may see birth as much more a medical/clinical event than that - and that is ok if the women that they are supporting also see it in that way. However, there are many women who *do* see the experience in a more holistic way. I think there are many midwives that have become medicalised without actually realising it, and equally (as in any walk of life/vocation/job there are the opposite extremes) there are many who have a wonderful philosophy towards pregnancy/labour/birth. Midwives usually have to work within the policies/procedures of their hospital or Trust Board or whatever governing body they are under. There are always *far* too many politics involved when it comes to working for these bodies - something very simple is made much more (dangerously, in my view) complicated. I have chosen not to be part of that. Being an independent consumer (as I am called!) I feel I have more power to make a difference... I am self-employed and offer myself out there for the woman and her partner to choose to have me if they feel that they need that extra support, and I also offer my services voluntarily/or on sliding scale so that it is not just those that can afford that get I have a passion for my role and I share with them my experiences and try to encourage them to take the responsibility for the birth of their baby back from the medical world and to learn about the natural physiology of birth, about
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Kirsten (don't know surname, but from Darwin - email Callum Kirsten [EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: I have recently brought Andrea Robertsons book, the midwife companion, and I have to say this book will never leave my side. This is one of the first books that I ever read when I started my journey as a Doula - I borrowed it from a friend and always said that one day I would buy a copy! :o) Kirsten, you are very fortunate to be in a part of the world where it sounds like there are a number of women-centred midwives... sadly it is so not the case all over There are many midwives that for whatever personal circumstance or environmental reasons cannot give so much of themselves to the women they support and I feel that I can be available for those women who need more and I am not so sure that I would make such a good midwife as I would be frustrated and constantly fighting the system I was working within (hospital protocols etc..) and the politics instead of focusing on the women I was supporting :o) As long as there is a mutual respect and clear, honest communication between Doulas/Birth Companions and Midwives, their joint support of the woman will be *amazing*. Doulas nor Midwives have the monopoly on providing nurturing during labour and birth - the midwife and doula can do this together - after all is there such a thing as giving *too* much love/nurturing at that special time if the woman is needing it and if it is the woman's choice to have a further support person/family member/doula there then this should be honoured. Just as an aside, we attended our first antenatal class the other day and in the group there was me and another midwife - we were both hoping to have home births and everyone else was planning to be in hospital and I was stunned and saddened (all over again) by the level of fear already in the other couples about the impending birth, whereas I am sooo looking forward to whatever happens. we need to work together collectively to reverse this situation. I see myself as very fortunate because, being in the role I am, I have been able to get to know who the holistic-view midwives are where I live, so my husband and I will have 2 super homebirth midwives for the birth of our own baby. Other women are not in that position and I hear from them regularly that they have ended up with a midwife purely because she was the only one available rather than the woman being able to choose who matched her philosophy most - they then tell me of the restrictions already being placed on how they would prefer to birth :o( It is so good to have this e-communication with people around the world who are so passionate about birth and parenting - it is good to know we are out there ... and thank you too to Kim (Stead) for your positive comments - have seen you on the NZ e-lists and you will know many of the wonderful midwives I have met here in Wellington I'm sure :o) Best wishes Vida www.nurturenz.com www.kiwidoula.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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hi again vida, If you don't mind i'm going to pass on your web site to a friend of mine in Tauranga who is looking at her options of training to be a midwife, maybe this will interest her as well. Kirsten (Dobbs) Darwin ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Vida Rye [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 12:42 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] doula article Kirsten (don't know surname, but from Darwin - email Callum Kirsten [EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: I have recently brought Andrea Robertsons book, the midwife companion, and I have to say this book will never leave my side. This is one of the first books that I ever read when I started my journey as a Doula - I borrowed it from a friend and always said that one day I would buy a copy! :o) Kirsten, you are very fortunate to be in a part of the world where it sounds like there are a number of women-centred midwives... sadly it is so not the case all over There are many midwives that for whatever personal circumstance or environmental reasons cannot give so much of themselves to the women they support and I feel that I can be available for those women who need more and I am not so sure that I would make such a good midwife as I would be frustrated and constantly fighting the system I was working within (hospital protocols etc..) and the politics instead of focusing on the women I was supporting :o) As long as there is a mutual respect and clear, honest communication between Doulas/Birth Companions and Midwives, their joint support of the woman will be *amazing*. Doulas nor Midwives have the monopoly on providing nurturing during labour and birth - the midwife and doula can do this together - after all is there such a thing as giving *too* much love/nurturing at that special time if the woman is needing it and if it is the woman's choice to have a further support person/family member/doula there then this should be honoured. Just as an aside, we attended our first antenatal class the other day and in the group there was me and another midwife - we were both hoping to have home births and everyone else was planning to be in hospital and I was stunned and saddened (all over again) by the level of fear already in the other couples about the impending birth, whereas I am sooo looking forward to whatever happens. we need to work together collectively to reverse this situation. I see myself as very fortunate because, being in the role I am, I have been able to get to know who the holistic-view midwives are where I live, so my husband and I will have 2 super homebirth midwives for the birth of our own baby. Other women are not in that position and I hear from them regularly that they have ended up with a midwife purely because she was the only one available rather than the woman being able to choose who matched her philosophy most - they then tell me of the restrictions already being placed on how they would prefer to birth :o( It is so good to have this e-communication with people around the world who are so passionate about birth and parenting - it is good to know we are out there ... and thank you too to Kim (Stead) for your positive comments - have seen you on the NZ e-lists and you will know many of the wonderful midwives I have met here in Wellington I'm sure :o) Best wishes Vida www.nurturenz.com www.kiwidoula.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.861 (20040904) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Dear Jo, Interesting where are these women to birth? Withthe women's family members sounds like quite a group at each of the labours and births? My experience of the mostsatisfying birthing expereinces for all has beenat home whenthe woman has turned in and worked with her baby more than any one or any thing in the environment and the hormones have flowed the labour has progressed and it has been her resultant behaviour which the midwife and partner have tuned into and worked around also!! for example I think of severalbirths wherethe Primp couple have been together inthe toilet orbathroomalot of the time with the lights down low in the hall where I was except when I came to listen to the baby after listening to her sounds and knowing she is progressing or not and then making suggestions, giving feedback between contractions and rest periods. Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi Denise, I am doulaing with three women who are accessing one on one midwifery care also (not to mention the students they are having follow them too!) I suppose it is up to the individual woman. Some want the midwife there for the birth but want the doula there for moral support and support for her partner, other children or just for her. Despite the fact that midwives -especially the independant ones- offer this type of care when it comes to the crunch, there is a job for her to do and sometimes her focus is shifted from supporting the hubby or even the woman -eye to eye back rubbing etc- due to the clinical skills being required. Jo - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Dear Kylie I am going to paly devil's advocate and ask if yoyr article will talk of the pros and cons of Doula's?For example I and others see the increase and popularity of Doula's as a reflection of the lack of the women cenrtred-ness of the system and world's best practice 1-2-1 midwifery options, I am not aware of women who have the latter employing doula's. My exeprience is that such women and their families feel confident to get on with the pregnancy labour,birth and psot natal time themselves with their midwives as the only paid supports? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 8:04 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi everyone Wellbeing mag would now like me to do an article on doulas, also for the baby special. I have a couple of doulas to talk to and am looking at adding the thoughts of a hospital based midwife who has seen the benefits of doulas in the labour ward. Let me know if anyone would like to help out. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist PH: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 a: 21 Susan Ave, Warilla, NSW 2528 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Feeling spent? Apply here for emergency plastic surgery. Virgincreditcard.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Dear Honey I agree with all you say I am only asking for the full story to be in the article that as you say Doulas are needed by women in a system that is not women centred. Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Honey Acharya To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article HI Kylie Iam a Doula (or Birth Buddy as we call ourselves)and can put you in touch with the midwifes we work with here in the public hospital in Townsville. We are welcomed by them and work well together. if that interests you email me directly [EMAIL PROTECTED] In response to Denyse I know 1-2-1 midwifery care would be the best option, but as we do not have that yet (I am one of the many consumers here pushing for it and a birth centre currently) Doulas fill that gap and more. On average a woman here going through our hospital system can see up to 35 different midwives through the course of her pregnancy and birth. On the other hand I develop a relationship with my clients,buildingtrust and knowing them is so important, I do not leave them when my shift is up, I stay and support throughout the length of the labour. I also know of quite a few women who have other women, support people, mothers and or doulas even when they have 1-2-1 midwifery care. As someone else said we support the partners too, how often does a one on one widwife have timeor take the time to make sure the partner has drinks and food and emotional support. I know Andrea Robertsonhas written negatively about Doulas saying that our community should provide the support we need but Andrea has supported at births tooshe just doesn't use the word Doula when she does it. Also often our community doesn't always provide the support we need, and in fact many of us would prefer not to ask our mother or sister into the birthing room for a variety of reasons. In my community a huge amount of people here are army based often without family or friends nearby, and the women I have supported so far have become dear and close friends. I recenlty have been volunteering for a refugee family and this woman no longer lives in a tribal situation where the women gather round her and support her so I have become her friend and birth support person and advocate making sure she gets an interpretor when she goes for medical visits, taking the whole family to the beach for the first time in their lives, making them meals every two days since the baby has been born so that she can stick to her tradition of being pampered for the first 12 days and not overdoing it. I don't do that for profit but because i believeevery woman should have that support if she wants it. I don't think everyone wants or needs a doula but I believe that just as having a midwife is an important option in childbirth it is wonderful tohave the choice ofa doula. I'll stop raving now Honey Acharya Birth Buddies - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:04 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi everyone Wellbeing mag would now like me to do an article on doulas, also for the baby special. I have a couple of doulas to talk to and am looking at adding the thoughts of a hospital based midwife who has seen the benefits of doulas in the labour ward. Let me know if anyone would like to help out. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist PH: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 a: 21 Susan Ave, Warilla, NSW 2528 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Feeling spent? Apply here for emergency plastic surgery. Virgincreditcard.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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I totally agree with all you have said Honey. Very very elegant. marilyn ps I have worked as a doula (in the USA)with clients who had an independent midwife but limited family available: a complimentary but different service than the midwife provides especially if she has a busy practice. And I have worked as the independent midwife with a doula in attendance at births, again almost always a positive experience (one time was a little odd but that is truly another story). Doulas and midwives working together was very common in Seattle where I trained and practiced probably because Seattle Midwifery School educates both of these types of birth attendants each with different responsibilities. It wasn't my experience that the care was fragmented or in anyway reduced. And at least in Seattle there was a tradition of fees having sliding scales as well as a statehealth care system that provided for each and every pregnant woman as well as recognising most complementary therapies for rebates (which is where doula care was slotted in ). - Original Message - From: Honey Acharya To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article HI Kylie Iam a Doula (or Birth Buddy as we call ourselves)and can put you in touch with the midwifes we work with here in the public hospital in Townsville. We are welcomed by them and work well together. if that interests you email me directly [EMAIL PROTECTED] In response to Denyse I know 1-2-1 midwifery care would be the best option, but as we do not have that yet (I am one of the many consumers here pushing for it and a birth centre currently) Doulas fill that gap and more. On average a woman here going through our hospital system can see up to 35 different midwives through the course of her pregnancy and birth. On the other hand I develop a relationship with my clients,buildingtrust and knowing them is so important, I do not leave them when my shift is up, I stay and support throughout the length of the labour. I also know of quite a few women who have other women, support people, mothers and or doulas even when they have 1-2-1 midwifery care. As someone else said we support the partners too, how often does a one on one widwife have timeor take the time to make sure the partner has drinks and food and emotional support. I know Andrea Robertsonhas written negatively about Doulas saying that our community should provide the support we need but Andrea has supported at births tooshe just doesn't use the word Doula when she does it. Also often our community doesn't always provide the support we need, and in fact many of us would prefer not to ask our mother or sister into the birthing room for a variety of reasons. In my community a huge amount of people here are army based often without family or friends nearby, and the women I have supported so far have become dear and close friends. I recenlty have been volunteering for a refugee family and this woman no longer lives in a tribal situation where the women gather round her and support her so I have become her friend and birth support person and advocate making sure she gets an interpretor when she goes for medical visits, taking the whole family to the beach for the first time in their lives, making them meals every two days since the baby has been born so that she can stick to her tradition of being pampered for the first 12 days and not overdoing it. I don't do that for profit but because i believeevery woman should have that support if she wants it. I don't think everyone wants or needs a doula but I believe that just as having a midwife is an important option in childbirth it is wonderful tohave the choice ofa doula. I'll stop raving now Honey Acharya Birth Buddies - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:04 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi everyone Wellbeing mag would now like me to do an article on doulas, also for the baby special. I have a couple of doulas to talk to and am looking at adding the thoughts of a hospital based midwife who has seen the benefits of doulas in the labour ward. Let me know if anyone would like to help out. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist PH: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 a: 21 Susan Ave, Warilla, NSW 2528 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Feeling spent? Apply here for emergency plastic surgery. Virgincreditcard.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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I think i have to agree with you Denise. In NZ where the maternity system is different to here in Australia, and there is more woman centered midwifery care there are no doulas that i know of. In fact one of my lecturers at Auckland University of Technology, told us one day that Doulas were a threat to midwives and their role. To me (and i may be naive) that's what care/support i expect to give as a midwife. I also think the reason woman need doulas should also be brought up in the article, as a kiwi and a student midwife i am really intrigued. I hope you look into it Kylie. Certainly also why australia needs them when NZ a different maternity system doesn't. Maybe it does say something about the current system? Kirsten Darwin ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Dear Jo, Interesting where are these women to birth? Withthe women's family members sounds like quite a group at each of the labours and births? My experience of the mostsatisfying birthing expereinces for all has beenat home whenthe woman has turned in and worked with her baby more than any one or any thing in the environment and the hormones have flowed the labour has progressed and it has been her resultant behaviour which the midwife and partner have tuned into and worked around also!! for example I think of severalbirths wherethe Primp couple have been together inthe toilet orbathroomalot of the time with the lights down low in the hall where I was except when I came to listen to the baby after listening to her sounds and knowing she is progressing or not and then making suggestions, giving feedback between contractions and rest periods. Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi Denise, I am doulaing with three women who are accessing one on one midwifery care also (not to mention the students they are having follow them too!) I suppose it is up to the individual woman. Some want the midwife there for the birth but want the doula there for moral support and support for her partner, other children or just for her. Despite the fact that midwives -especially the independant ones- offer this type of care when it comes to the crunch, there is a job for her to do and sometimes her focus is shifted from supporting the hubby or even the woman -eye to eye back rubbing etc- due to the clinical skills being required. Jo - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Dear Kylie I am going to paly devil's advocate and ask if yoyr article will talk of the pros and cons of Doula's?For example I and others see the increase and popularity of Doula's as a reflection of the lack of the women cenrtred-ness of the system and world's best practice 1-2-1 midwifery options, I am not aware of women who have the latter employing doula's. My exeprience is that such women and their families feel confident to get on with the pregnancy labour,birth and psot natal time themselves with their midwives as the only paid supports? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 8:04 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi everyone Wellbeing mag would now like me to do an article on doulas, also for the baby special. I have a couple of doulas to talk to and am looking at adding the thoughts of a hospital based midwife who has seen the benefits of doulas in the labour ward. Let me know if anyone would like to help out. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist PH: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 a: 21 Susan Ave, Warilla, NSW 2528 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Feeling spent? Apply here for emergency plastic surgery. Virgincreditcard.com.au -- This maili
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Hi Denise, The births I spoke of : One at home with a private mw, one in a birth centre with community midwives and the other on a labour ward once again with the community midwives who have practicing rights at the hospital. I know of a few women who have birthed with almost a dozen family and friends present. It has always been very important to one dear friend that all her children be present, pus some of their children, friends and her partner. Quite a party! To each their own I suppose- what ever is important to them. I agree with your most satisfying birth experience example- wouldn't I have loved to get that experience myself! ; but I know of women who have described their births as the most satisfying because they had those people who 'protected' her from the awful things that happened to her last time which resulted in a cs, even thou this birth has also resulted in a cs. For some the midwife represents the expert in safe birthing, and perhaps the doula represents the woman's need for a positive birth experience. The clients I have want me there because I understand what it is like to have a vbacdoesn't matter to some women HOW experienced a midwife is in supporting vbac -if she herself hasn't had one then she doesn't know what it feels like. Just like those who have never had a cs can not say they know what it feels like. There is a difference between understanding and experiencing. One woman wants me there because I know all her birth emotional history that has taken her over four years to process. The midwife she has as her primary carer is one of the most wonderful midwives I know! I love her to death! BUT she doesn't know what my client has gone thru and for this client this knowledge is crucial for her to trust that I understand and that she can do this! I believe that we can work together as professions. I certainly would never sell myself as having any clinical skills and always strongly advocate midwifery care. interesting discussion don't you think? Jo - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Dear Jo, Interesting where are these women to birth? Withthe women's family members sounds like quite a group at each of the labours and births? My experience of the mostsatisfying birthing expereinces for all has beenat home whenthe woman has turned in and worked with her baby more than any one or any thing in the environment and the hormones have flowed the labour has progressed and it has been her resultant behaviour which the midwife and partner have tuned into and worked around also!! for example I think of severalbirths wherethe Primp couple have been together inthe toilet orbathroomalot of the time with the lights down low in the hall where I was except when I came to listen to the baby after listening to her sounds and knowing she is progressing or not and then making suggestions, giving feedback between contractions and rest periods. Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi Denise, I am doulaing with three women who are accessing one on one midwifery care also (not to mention the students they are having follow them too!) I suppose it is up to the individual woman. Some want the midwife there for the birth but want the doula there for moral support and support for her partner, other children or just for her. Despite the fact that midwives -especially the independant ones- offer this type of care when it comes to the crunch, there is a job for her to do and sometimes her focus is shifted from supporting the hubby or even the woman -eye to eye back rubbing etc- due to the clinical skills being required. Jo - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Dear Kylie I am going to paly devil's advocate and ask if yoyr article will talk of the pros and cons of Doula's?For example I and others see the increase and popularity of Doula's as a reflection of the lack of the women cenrtred-ness of the system and world's best practice 1-2-1 midwifery options, I am not aware of women who have the latter employing doula's. My exeprience is that such women and their families feel confident to get on with the pregnancy labour,birth and
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You know i think when doulas are seen as a threat to the midwife's role either in the home as an independent practitioner or in the hospital setting no matter how tuned in or turned on or turned off the hospital is then the doula becomes an adverary and she is a threat. However she is not meant to be this but rather a compassionate support person who has up to date knowledge about whatever childbirth setting the woman has chosen. She is there to make sure the woman is massaged, has hot towels, gets her feet rubbed, relieves dad to go to the toilet, remains as active as possible, explain what is happening to the woman her partner and relatives (which may or may not include previous children). She is not there to replace anybody just to add to. If we are honest we all know that on some shifts we can provide all of the above to women and on other shifts with the best of intentions we just can not. In a busy homebirth practice this can be true too, however to be honest doulas at homebirths areoften want to be midwives getting their feet wet and if they are welcomed by everyone can provide and have a rewarding experience. But again they provide massages etc sometimes to dad and the midwife too. Some doulas are payed in money, others barter, and for others it is simply the birth experience and they would pay to be there. Many women choose a doula when in a hospital setting they feel their partner will not be up to the negotiating with health care professionals, or will not be able to help them resist using drugs they do not want to use...simple as that. And it is true many men become so overwhelmed by their partners labour they cannot or do not advocate like this. Of course as a doula you have to realise that you have absolutely no right but that you can support the woman and her partner in their choices. In most cases doulas are chosen to help the woman have as drug free a birth as possible, if this is taken as an indicment of our system then so be it. marilyn - Original Message - From: Callum Kirsten To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 3:10 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article I think i have to agree with you Denise. In NZ where the maternity system is different to here in Australia, and there is more woman centered midwifery care there are no doulas that i know of. In fact one of my lecturers at Auckland University of Technology, told us one day that Doulas were a threat to midwives and their role. To me (and i may be naive) that's what care/support i expect to give as a midwife. I also think the reason woman need doulas should also be brought up in the article, as a kiwi and a student midwife i am really intrigued. I hope you look into it Kylie. Certainly also why australia needs them when NZ a different maternity system doesn't. Maybe it does say something about the current system? Kirsten Darwin ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Dear Jo, Interesting where are these women to birth? Withthe women's family members sounds like quite a group at each of the labours and births? My experience of the mostsatisfying birthing expereinces for all has beenat home whenthe woman has turned in and worked with her baby more than any one or any thing in the environment and the hormones have flowed the labour has progressed and it has been her resultant behaviour which the midwife and partner have tuned into and worked around also!! for example I think of severalbirths wherethe Primp couple have been together inthe toilet orbathroomalot of the time with the lights down low in the hall where I was except when I came to listen to the baby after listening to her sounds and knowing she is progressing or not and then making suggestions, giving feedback between contractions and rest periods. Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi Denise, I am doulaing with three women who are accessing one on one midwifery care also (not to mention the students they are having follow them too!) I suppose it is up to the individual woman. Some want the midwife there for the birth but want the doula there for moral support and support for her partner, other children or just for her. Despite the fact tha
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Hi Denise In my(lengthy)article on homebirth (which will be in the same issue of Wellbeing) I covered the mums having the homebirths, the independent midwives and the problem with our medicalised hospital system. Hopefully the editor is going to not edit too much. The article is written so people can see that our system is failing women - no choice for a homebirth (for most anyway) however the relatively easy choice of a medicalised birth, with the system steering women to believe that's what is best. For the article on doulas, therefore, I probably want to concentrate on the positives, showing that our current society is conducive to the need of a doula for many women and the rewarding experiences it has given to them. I hope that makes sense. let me know what you think. cheers Kylie From: "Denise Hynd" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:45:18 +0800 Dear Kylie I am going to paly devil's advocate and ask if yoyr article will talk of the pros and cons of Doula's? For example I and others see the increase and popularity of Doula's as a reflection of the lack of the women cenrtred-ness of the system and world's best practice 1-2-1 midwifery options, I am not aware of women who have the latter employing doula's. My exeprience is that such women and their families feel confident to get on with the pregnancy labour, birth and psot natal time themselves with their midwives as the only paid supports? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world.For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 8:04 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi everyone Wellbeing mag would now like me to do an article on doulas, also for the baby special.I have a couple of doulas to talk to and am looking at adding the thoughts of a hospital based midwife who has seen the benefits of doulas in the labour ward. Let me know if anyone would like to help out. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist PH: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 a: 21 Susan Ave, Warilla, NSW 2528 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Feeling spent? Apply here for emergency plastic surgery. Virgincreditcard.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. In the market for a car? Buy, sell or browse atCarpoint. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hi, Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but as doulas and midwives, are we not all there to support a woman, It should be about her, not who is a threat to who. When it becomes about our positions, it stops being about the woman and her journey. Just my 2cents. I have read some very negative articles about doulas and it shows me, that the person writing is more concerned about positions than the birthing women. Love Abby
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Hi everyone, I wanted to let you guys know that I put a lot about the current Australian maternity system in the homebirth article, showing the problems with our very medicalised system. For the doula article I am thinking I should focus on the positives, seeing I covered a lot of negative ground in the former and the latter is going to be in the same issue - their baby special. I want the doula articleto present another way for Australian women to achieve a natural and positive birth experience. I hope that makes sense. It's good to get lot of opinions on this, although I have had four children, they were all with a midwifein the hospital system. Although all natural births (I did have gas, does that still qualify?) I would have loved the 1-2-1 midwife care. Before the homebirth article these issues were unknown to me, which is very sad I think, because these issues are not raised in mainstream Australian media. Even ! my articles - they are in Wellbeing, which is an alternative health mag. cheers Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist PH: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 a: 21 Susan Ave, Warilla, NSW 2528 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Callum Kirsten" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 19:40:38 +0930 I think i have to agree with you Denise. In NZ where the maternity system is different to here in Australia, and there is more woman centered midwifery care there are no doulas that i know of. In fact one of my lecturers at Auckland University of Technology, told us one day that Doulas were a threat to midwives and their role. To me (and i may be naive) that's what care/support i expect to give as a midwife. I also think the reason woman need doulas should also be brought up in the article, as a kiwi and a student midwife i am really intrigued. I hope you look into it Kylie. Certainly also why australia needs them when NZ a different maternity system doesn't. Maybe it does say something about the current system? Kirsten Darwin ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Dear Jo, Interesting where are these women to birth? With the women's family members sounds like quite a group at each of the labours and births? My experience of the most satisfying birthing expereinces for all has been at home when the woman has turned in and worked with her baby more than any one or any thing in the environment and the hormones have flowed the labour has progressed and it has been her resultant behaviour which the midwife and partner have tuned into and worked around also!! for example I think of several births where the Primp couple have been together in the toilet or bathroom alot of the time with the lights down low in the hall where I was except when I came to listen to the baby after listening to her sounds and knowing she is progressing or not and then making suggestions, giving feedback between contractions and rest periods. Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world.For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi Denise, I am doulaing with three women who are accessing one on one midwifery care also (not to mention the students they are having follow them too!)I suppose it is up to the individual woman.Some want the midwife there for the birth but want the doula there for moral support and support for her partner, other children or just for her.Despite the fact that midwives -especially the independant ones- offer this type of care when it comes to the crunch, there is a job for her to do and sometimes her focus is shifted from supporting the hubby or even the woman -eye to eye back rubbing etc- due to the clinical skills being required. Jo - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Dear Kylie I am going to paly devil's advocate and ask if yoyr article will talk of the pros and cons of Doula's? For example I and others see the increase and popularity of Doula's as a reflection of the lack of the women cenrtred-ness of the system and world's best practice 1-2-1 midwifery options, I am not aware of women who have the latter employing doula's. My exeprience is that such women and their families feel confident to get on with the pregnancy labour, birth and psot natal time themselves with their midwives as the only paid supports? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world.For, indeed, they are the only ones who ev
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Before the homebirth article these issues were unknown to me, which is very sad I think, because these issues are not raised in mainstream Australian media. Even ! my articles - they are in Wellbeing, which is an alternative health mag.cheersKylie Carberry I think it is fantastic Kylie, that you are writing articles to show women more options. Unfortunately, today,the majority of usdon't have the wise knowledge of women passeddown through the generations. We don't have mothers thathad natural, active, instinctual births ( my mum wasa hardcorenatural heatlh freak and although she did have three natural hospital labours, she was not "allowed" to eat, drink or get off the bed during her very long labours.)It is so sad and I wish things were different, but they are not. It is so great that you are getting out there and writing articles with the info that women need and increasingly, desire. Thanks Love Abby
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Dear All, I do not see doulas or anyone the woman wants at her birth as a threat it is the woman's journey. I am only interested in being reflective about the journey in general and comparing experiences and knowledge. I have no real experience of doulas at birth accept in hospitals there have been firends at homebirth who have acted as doulas and they have played an itegral part for all! Nor do I think midwives are the answer for all I have no problems with a woman who wants a full cast of her life at her birth nor another who want the full anaetheitsed managed birth Though I hope for all in making plans they have an understanding of the impacts of all things on their births and accept it is alright to bail out if that is what is needed on the day to give birth?? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article You know i think when doulas are seen as a threat to the midwife's role either in the home as an independent practitioner or in the hospital setting no matter how tuned in or turned on or turned off the hospital is then the doula becomes an adverary and she is a threat. However she is not meant to be this but rather a compassionate support person who has up to date knowledge about whatever childbirth setting the woman has chosen. She is there to make sure the woman is massaged, has hot towels, gets her feet rubbed, relieves dad to go to the toilet, remains as active as possible, explain what is happening to the woman her partner and relatives (which may or may not include previous children). She is not there to replace anybody just to add to. If we are honest we all know that on some shifts we can provide all of the above to women and on other shifts with the best of intentions we just can not. In a busy homebirth practice this can be true too, however to be honest doulas at homebirths areoften want to be midwives getting their feet wet and if they are welcomed by everyone can provide and have a rewarding experience. But again they provide massages etc sometimes to dad and the midwife too. Some doulas are payed in money, others barter, and for others it is simply the birth experience and they would pay to be there. Many women choose a doula when in a hospital setting they feel their partner will not be up to the negotiating with health care professionals, or will not be able to help them resist using drugs they do not want to use...simple as that. And it is true many men become so overwhelmed by their partners labour they cannot or do not advocate like this. Of course as a doula you have to realise that you have absolutely no right but that you can support the woman and her partner in their choices. In most cases doulas are chosen to help the woman have as drug free a birth as possible, if this is taken as an indicment of our system then so be it. marilyn - Original Message - From: Callum Kirsten To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 3:10 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article I think i have to agree with you Denise. In NZ where the maternity system is different to here in Australia, and there is more woman centered midwifery care there are no doulas that i know of. In fact one of my lecturers at Auckland University of Technology, told us one day that Doulas were a threat to midwives and their role. To me (and i may be naive) that's what care/support i expect to give as a midwife. I also think the reason woman need doulas should also be brought up in the article, as a kiwi and a student midwife i am really intrigued. I hope you look into it Kylie. Certainly also why australia needs them when NZ a different maternity system doesn't. Maybe it does say something about the current system? Kirsten Darwin ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Dear Jo, Interesting where are these women to birth? Withthe women's family members sounds like quite a group at each of the labours and births? My experience of the mostsatisfying birthing expereinces for all has beenat home whenthe woman has turned in and worked with her baby more than any one or any thing in the environment and the hormones have flowed the labour has progressed and it ha
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Dear Kylie, I am sure your article will be )or is already) a positive contribution to the birth debate in our culture)thank you for the consideration Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi Denise In my(lengthy)article on homebirth (which will be in the same issue of Wellbeing) I covered the mums having the homebirths, the independent midwives and the problem with our medicalised hospital system. Hopefully the editor is going to not edit too much. The article is written so people can see that our system is failing women - no choice for a homebirth (for most anyway) however the relatively easy choice of a medicalised birth, with the system steering women to believe that's what is best. For the article on doulas, therefore, I probably want to concentrate on the positives, showing that our current society is conducive to the need of a doula for many women and the rewarding experiences it has given to them. I hope that makes sense. let me know what you think. cheers Kylie From: "Denise Hynd" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:45:18 +0800 Dear Kylie I am going to paly devil's advocate and ask if yoyr article will talk of the pros and cons of Doula's? For example I and others see the increase and popularity of Doula's as a reflection of the lack of the women cenrtred-ness of the system and world's best practice 1-2-1 midwifery options, I am not aware of women who have the latter employing doula's. My exeprience is that such women and their families feel confident to get on with the pregnancy labour, birth and psot natal time themselves with their midwives as the only paid supports? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world.For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 8:04 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi everyone Wellbeing mag would now like me to do an article on doulas, also for the baby special.I have a couple of doulas to talk to and am looking at adding the thoughts of a hospital based midwife who has seen the benefits of doulas in the labour ward. Let me know if anyone would like to help out. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist PH: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 a: 21 Susan Ave, Warilla, NSW 2528 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Feeling spent? Apply here for emergency plastic surgery. Virgincreditcard.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. In the market for a car? Buy, sell or browse at Carpoint. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Dear Kirsten
When I was a nursing educator I used to say "If
nurses' do their job well they may be out of a job?" the same is true of
midwives.
For both I beleive as it is nursing.
Midwifery-obstetrics is definitely a reflection of doctors- nurses-
midwives(as groups) not doing their work appropriately not working to
empower our clients because they do not understand natural birth.
They do notunderstand the hormonal drivers of
childbirth, that they are the same as those of orgasmic sex. Who do we have
encouraging and supporting us when we are having orgasmic
sex.
I am firmly of the belief that much of the pain and
difficulty of childbirth for many in our and other cultures is due to a lack of
understanding, trust and respect for these and the other physiological gifts of
women which make them the birth givers of our species. Thus the majority
of women and babies have the ability to work together to give birth, survive and
thrive, particularly in our healthy culture. I mean if it was the risk that our
culture says, Africa, Australia and the whole planet would have been Terra
Nullius.
Note I say majority not all what midwives those
with women need to do is learn to empower themselves with the knowledge and
experience to go with women on their journeys like all sadly the fear and
anxiety for the minority
I would love to see David Attenborough
stylehuman birthing as it can and I think for most of us should be
intimate, wonderous and respectful of the woman giving birth and her
ability to work with her fetus to give birth and survive!!
Denise Hynd
"Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For,
indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead
- Original Message -
From:
Callum
Kirsten
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:10
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula
article
I think i have to agree with you Denise.
In NZ where the maternity system is different to here in Australia, and there
is more woman centered midwifery care there are no doulas that i know of. In
fact one of my lecturers at Auckland University of Technology, told us one day
that Doulas were a threat to midwives and their role. To me (and i may be
naive) that's what care/support i expect to give as a midwife.
I also think the reason woman need doulas
should also be brought up in the article, as a kiwi and a student midwife i am
really intrigued.
I hope you look into it Kylie. Certainly
also why australia needs them when NZ a different maternity system doesn't.
Maybe it does say something about the current system?
Kirsten
Darwin
~~~start life with a midwife~~~
- Original Message -
From:
Denise Hynd
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:48
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula
article
Dear Jo,
Interesting where are these women to
birth?
Withthe women's family members sounds
like quite a group at each of the labours and births?
My experience of the mostsatisfying
birthing expereinces for all has beenat home whenthe woman has turned in and worked with her baby more than
any one or any thing in the environment and the hormones have flowed the
labour has progressed and it has been her resultant behaviour which the
midwife and partner have tuned into and worked around also!!
for example I think of severalbirths
wherethe Primp couple have been together inthe toilet
orbathroomalot of the time with the lights down low in the hall
where I was except when I came to listen to the baby after listening to her
sounds and knowing she is progressing or not and then making suggestions,
giving feedback between contractions and rest periods.
Denise Hynd
"Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world.
For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret
Mead
- Original Message -
From:
Dean Jo
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:15
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula
article
Hi Denise,
I am doulaing with three women who are
accessing one on one midwifery care also (not to mention the students they
are having follow them too!) I suppose it is up to the individual
woman. Some want the midwife there for the birth but want the doula
there for moral support and support for her partner, other children or
just for her. Despite the fact that midwives -especially the
independant ones- offer this type of care when it comes to the crunch,
there is a job for her to do and sometimes her focus is shifted from
supporting the hubby or even the woman -eye to eye back rubbing etc- due
to the
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article
Hi Denise Irealised that you were asking for the full details pros and cons to be in the story,but I guess your emailprompted me to support the work that I do.I hope I didn't sound attacking. I am so passionate about women, birth and birthing choices thatI spend a large part of my life at the moment working towards a better system. Before we did anything here as a small consumer group we consulted the midwives and asked them how we could best support them and what we should all focus on achieving. It came out that a Birth Centre with one on one midwifery care was something we could all work towards and was achievable in the current circumstances. We are working madly to get things really happening and lobbying the politicians especially with the federal election coming up. We have to have a really sound proposal so that it shows we have really done the groundwork and it is clear the direction we are heading in. Thanks for the discussion,I think it is so important that we keep evaluating and reflecting. Honey - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Dear Honey I agree with all you say I am only asking for the full story to be in the article that as you say Doulas are needed by women in a system that is not women centred. Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Honey Acharya To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article HI Kylie Iam a Doula (or Birth Buddy as we call ourselves)and can put you in touch with the midwifes we work with here in the public hospital in Townsville. We are welcomed by them and work well together. if that interests you email me directly [EMAIL PROTECTED] In response to Denyse I know 1-2-1 midwifery care would be the best option, but as we do not have that yet (I am one of the many consumers here pushing for it and a birth centre currently) Doulas fill that gap and more. On average a woman here going through our hospital system can see up to 35 different midwives through the course of her pregnancy and birth. On the other hand I develop a relationship with my clients,buildingtrust and knowing them is so important, I do not leave them when my shift is up, I stay and support throughout the length of the labour. I also know of quite a few women who have other women, support people, mothers and or doulas even when they have 1-2-1 midwifery care. As someone else said we support the partners too, how often does a one on one widwife have timeor take the time to make sure the partner has drinks and food and emotional support. I know Andrea Robertsonhas written negatively about Doulas saying that our community should provide the support we need but Andrea has supported at births tooshe just doesn't use the word Doula when she does it. Also often our community doesn't always provide the support we need, and in fact many of us would prefer not to ask our mother or sister into the birthing room for a variety of reasons. In my community a huge amount of people here are army based often without family or friends nearby, and the women I have supported so far have become dear and close friends. I recenlty have been volunteering for a refugee family and this woman no longer lives in a tribal situation where the women gather round her and support her so I have become her friend and birth support person and advocate making sure she gets an interpretor when she goes for medical visits, taking the whole family to the beach for the first time in their lives, making them meals every two days since the baby has been born so that she can stick to her tradition of being pampered for the first 12 days and not overdoing it. I don't do that for profit but because i believeevery woman should have that support if she wants it. I don't think everyone wants or needs a doula but I believe that just as having a midwife is an important option in childbirth it is wonderful tohave the choice ofa doula. I'll stop raving now Honey Acharya Birth Buddies - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:04 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi everyone Wellbeing mag would now like me to do an article on doulas, also for the baby special. I have a couple of doulas to talk to and am looking
RE: [ozmidwifery] doula article
Kirsten wrote: I think i have to agree with you Denise. In NZ where the maternity system is different to here in Australia, and there is more woman centered midwifery care there are no doulas that i know of. In fact one of my lecturers at Auckland University of Technology, told us one day that Doulas were a threat to midwives and their role. To me (and i may be naive) that's what care/support i expect to give as a midwifesnipCertainly also why australia needs them when NZ a different maternity system doesn't. Maybe it does say something about the current system? Well just wanted to say Hi from a Doula based in NZ. I disagree about there not being a need for Doulas in NZ and I find it sad that this is the attitude of that lecturer of a Midwifery degree in NZ (although it does not surprise me from some of the anti-Doula stuff I have come across from some sectors of midwifery here). I have lived here since 2002 and I came to NZ with the naive and idealistic viewpoint that my Birth Doula role would not be needed because I had heard such wonderful things about the NZ midwifery system. This made me happy although I knew I would miss my birth work So I have been concentrating on postnatal Doula work and promoting infant massage in the community. However, whilst the NZ midwifery system is different to the UK and in many aspects more woman-centred, I still soon started receiving enquiries from women saying that they needed a birth doula. On many occasions I have been contacted because women say they need extra support because they feel that their birth journey is being too medicalised and, upon talking to them, it transpires that in an ideal world they wanted a home, water birth or something similar and yet they are ending up in hospital because their midwife doesn't do water births and has no back-up for homebirths... These womens' choices are being limited by their LMC (Lead Materity Carer). On these occasions what I have thankfully been able to do is put these women in touch with more woman-centred midwives who I *know* will be able to offer them the options that they are wanting in an ideal world. I strongly believe in and support independent midwifery, and women and their partners rights to be fully informed and have access to all the options. I know of possibly one other doula who is/was practising in Palmerston North, but other than that I seem to be on my tod although I'm trying to get the word out there to see if there are any other women passionate about birth who want to offer encouragement and support to parents-to-be and new parents. I have had to turn down 4 birth doula roles in the last 2 months because there is only 1 of me and no back-up doula support in the area (although a doula in training with DONA has just arrived from Canada recently). I agree too with Sally Westbury that it would be great if more emphasis was placed on the Postnatal Doula role. This is what I have been concentrating on in Wellington whilst I build up relationships built on *trust of the Doula role* within the local birthing community and, very similar to Honey's story, I am part of a group of consumers who, along with local midwives, are trying to promote the idea of a birthing centre which we hope will encourage, in the long term, more homebirths here. And Hurrah for Kylie, for being determined to concentrate on the *positives* in your article if we all saw the positives not the negatives and worked together, passing on our common knowledge and experience of natural birth through generations and from culture to culture, what a fantastic worldwide community spirit there would be. :o) Vida Rye Wellington, NZ www.kiwidoula.com www.nurturenz.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] doula article
Hi everyone Wellbeing mag would now like me to do an article on doulas, also for the baby special. I have a couple of doulas to talk to and am looking at adding the thoughts of a hospital based midwife who has seen the benefits of doulas in the labour ward. Let me know if anyone would like to help out. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist PH: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 a: 21 Susan Ave, Warilla, NSW 2528 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Feeling spent? Apply here for emergency plastic surgery. Virgincreditcard.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article
Dear Kylie I am going to paly devil's advocate and ask if yoyr article will talk of the pros and cons of Doula's?For example I and others see the increase and popularity of Doula's as a reflection of the lack of the women cenrtred-ness of the system and world's best practice 1-2-1 midwifery options, I am not aware of women who have the latter employing doula's. My exeprience is that such women and their families feel confident to get on with the pregnancy labour,birth and psot natal time themselves with their midwives as the only paid supports? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 8:04 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi everyone Wellbeing mag would now like me to do an article on doulas, also for the baby special. I have a couple of doulas to talk to and am looking at adding the thoughts of a hospital based midwife who has seen the benefits of doulas in the labour ward. Let me know if anyone would like to help out. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist PH: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 a: 21 Susan Ave, Warilla, NSW 2528 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Feeling spent? Apply here for emergency plastic surgery. Virgincreditcard.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article
Hi Denise, I am doulaing with three women who are accessing one on one midwifery care also (not to mention the students they are having follow them too!) I suppose it is up to the individual woman. Some want the midwife there for the birth but want the doula there for moral support and support for her partner, other children or just for her. Despite the fact that midwives -especially the independant ones- offer this type of care when it comes to the crunch, there is a job for her to do and sometimes her focus is shifted from supporting the hubby or even the woman -eye to eye back rubbing etc- due to the clinical skills being required. Jo - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Dear Kylie I am going to paly devil's advocate and ask if yoyr article will talk of the pros and cons of Doula's?For example I and others see the increase and popularity of Doula's as a reflection of the lack of the women cenrtred-ness of the system and world's best practice 1-2-1 midwifery options, I am not aware of women who have the latter employing doula's. My exeprience is that such women and their families feel confident to get on with the pregnancy labour,birth and psot natal time themselves with their midwives as the only paid supports? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 8:04 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi everyone Wellbeing mag would now like me to do an article on doulas, also for the baby special. I have a couple of doulas to talk to and am looking at adding the thoughts of a hospital based midwife who has seen the benefits of doulas in the labour ward. Let me know if anyone would like to help out. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist PH: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 a: 21 Susan Ave, Warilla, NSW 2528 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Feeling spent? Apply here for emergency plastic surgery. Virgincreditcard.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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HI Kylie Iam a Doula (or Birth Buddy as we call ourselves)and can put you in touch with the midwifes we work with here in the public hospital in Townsville. We are welcomed by them and work well together. if that interests you email me directly [EMAIL PROTECTED] In response to Denyse I know 1-2-1 midwifery care would be the best option, but as we do not have that yet (I am one of the many consumers here pushing for it and a birth centre currently) Doulas fill that gap and more. On average a woman here going through our hospital system can see up to 35 different midwives through the course of her pregnancy and birth. On the other hand I develop a relationship with my clients,buildingtrust and knowing them is so important, I do not leave them when my shift is up, I stay and support throughout the length of the labour. I also know of quite a few women who have other women, support people, mothers and or doulas even when they have 1-2-1 midwifery care. As someone else said we support the partners too, how often does a one on one widwife have timeor take the time to make sure the partner has drinks and food and emotional support. I know Andrea Robertsonhas written negatively about Doulas saying that our community should provide the support we need but Andrea has supported at births tooshe just doesn't use the word Doula when she does it. Also often our community doesn't always provide the support we need, and in fact many of us would prefer not to ask our mother or sister into the birthing room for a variety of reasons. In my community a huge amount of people here are army based often without family or friends nearby, and the women I have supported so far have become dear and close friends. I recenlty have been volunteering for a refugee family and this woman no longer lives in a tribal situation where the women gather round her and support her so I have become her friend and birth support person and advocate making sure she gets an interpretor when she goes for medical visits, taking the whole family to the beach for the first time in their lives, making them meals every two days since the baby has been born so that she can stick to her tradition of being pampered for the first 12 days and not overdoing it. I don't do that for profit but because i believeevery woman should have that support if she wants it. I don't think everyone wants or needs a doula but I believe that just as having a midwife is an important option in childbirth it is wonderful tohave the choice ofa doula. I'll stop raving now Honey Acharya Birth Buddies - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:04 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi everyone Wellbeing mag would now like me to do an article on doulas, also for the baby special. I have a couple of doulas to talk to and am looking at adding the thoughts of a hospital based midwife who has seen the benefits of doulas in the labour ward. Let me know if anyone would like to help out. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist PH: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 a: 21 Susan Ave, Warilla, NSW 2528 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Feeling spent? Apply here for emergency plastic surgery. Virgincreditcard.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Doula Midwife
Sorry all, my previous post should have asked for a midwife as well for VIC. Thanks Philippa Scott Birth Buddies
[ozmidwifery] Doula for VIC
Hi all, Can anyone help me find a Doula for someone inMorwell, VIC, AUST. I believe this is country Vic. She is due in Nov. Thanks, Philippa Scott Birth Buddies
Re: [ozmidwifery] Doula
Hi Philippa, You could try Vanessa of Cairns Midwifery services, I know she's a midwife, has done the Andrea Robertson A/n education course, and has attended at least one homebirth of a friend and colleague. I know that the one IPM up there Marianne is going away on holidays soon, as I contacted her recently. Hope this helps! Tania PS Here's the email address.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] and phone no 1300 132 936 - Original Message - From: Philippa Scott To: ozmidwifery ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; C-Aware ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 3:12 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Doula Hi all, can anyone help me. I'm trying to find a Doula or support person for a woman in Cairns due the 10th Sept. I'm in Townsville will do it if we can find anyone closer. Please let me know what you find. Regards, Philippa Scott Birth Buddies
