RE: LEGO photography again
Amy, your pictures are fine. In the scale you are working in though, may I suggest a couple of things? 1. You need to be stopping down to absolute maximum. This will give you the greatest possible depth of field, which in the dimensions you are photographing, are bound to be abysmal, but completely do-able. 2. Light. A beautiful building like this - even in Lego - can be enhanced by strategically placing light. Obviously the Lego hanging lights don't work but if you can manipulate your images in Photoshop or similar, why not add a glow from theose lights? Meanwhile, during the picture-taking stage, try and add mood to the scene, without going over the top. For instance, if you darken the entire room, the model is in, and open the camera on B, what about using a flashlight or anglepoise lamp in strategic postions, literally painting with light? Experimentation needed here. Alternatively, place your lighting in real time, 'barning' off unwanted light with 'flags'. That is, creating shadows to retain mood. The glass wall at the back is crying out for some attention. Get some large blue crepe paper or construction paper (large blue card to the rest of the world) and cover the room wall behind. A single, hard, directional light source onto it will recreate a bright day outside. Experiment with the positioning to maybe admit some of that light through the 'glass'. 3. Having explored your website, you are one hundred percent certifiable. HTH ;-) Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 67 Brotherhood
I agree Brother William, they truly cannot see us as the burning beacon on a distant horizon, a lighthouse waiting to guild them in to the safe harbor of the 6x7 format. Amen. Brother Norm William Robb wrote: Methinks we should not allow the puny me too users of the little medium format into the Brotherhood of the 6x7. For if we do, we shall have to tolerate abuse such as you have seen written from Brotherette Tom for all eternity. Brothers, we must nip this malevolance in the bud. We must exclude those who do not share the vision of truth that those of us who have been enlightened have seen. Perhaps a Brotherhood of the Weenie Wannabees for those who have not yet found the true path is in order. I submit these ideas respectfully and thoughfully to the Brotherhood of the 6x7. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Kodak shows effect of Ariport Xray's
That will help to guarantee that you miss a few flights Raymond... G Norm Oliver Raymond wrote: Thought we should be intersted in the following.. I'm printing out the FAA regulations, and including them in my wallet! http://www.kodak.com/global/en/service/tib/tib5201.shtml - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re:USA vs. Grey Import Med. Format Equip Question/Problem
I would assume that they'd all come with that warranty, and my understanding of all of this is that this only becomes an issue when you need to send the camera in for the warranty work. From the Pentax site: Gray Market Pentax Products: There has been a lot of press lately cautioning consumers about the dangers of purchasing so called gray market products. In an effort to keep Pentax customers protected against this, our medium format bodies, lenses and accessory product boxes have a hologram P designation on them. This designation assures that the product is covered by the Pentax United States warranty. Since gray market products do not carry a United States warranty, when warranty repair work is necessary, the product must be sent to the Pentax service center in the appropriate country of origin. Only U.S. warranties are honored by the Pentax Service Center. So the challenge with grey market, assuming that Pentax sticks to the requirement to only honor USA warranties, is trying to guess what country your camera came from so that you could then send it there for repair. I've never needed a repair on any camera I've ever owned, much less my other Pentax (PZ-1P), so I've never tested any of this. Dan Kirsch Audun Jensen wrote: Doesn't all Pentax equipment come with one year international warranty right from the factory? At least it does over here. It doesn't matter where you buy it in the world; US, UK, Hong Kong, Japan; every Pentax repair facility world-wide is obliged to repair the item within the warranty period. Or is the US somehow excepted from this rule? Pål Dan wrote: Related to my 645NII...being that this is a brand new camera, I'm truly hoping that I won't need to be sending it off for repairs any time soon. With that in mind, as long as it doesn't fail in the first year of the warranty coverage I suppose that what I'd be worried about is that Pentax would be willing to work on it at all. Their web site seems to indicate that if it's out of warranty or non-USA warranty that they'll give you a quote (of course, that could be a painful quote if they want to make up for it be grey market). If I can actually reach a service rep at Pentax I'm hoping that they would be able to tell from the serial number, but until I get to that I'm stuck on hold, not wanting to load film in the camera in case I want to return it. But I'm glad to know that you've bought at least some things without the P. Well, not glad, but maybe it makes me feel better. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 28-70 f/4 on eBay - No Canuks!
This part made me laugh: NO INTERNATIONAL BIDDERS PLEASE, NOT EVEN CANADIAN. Norm Gary Murphy wrote: Spotted on eBay with a Buy It Now of, $60.00 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1333766929 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: USA vs. Grey Import Med. Format Equip Question/Problem
In a message dated 19/02/02 08:58:09 GMT Standard Time, Pal writes: Doesn't all Pentax equipment come with one year international warranty right from the factory? At least it does over here. It doesn't matter where you buy it in the world; US, UK, Hong Kong, Japan; every Pentax repair facility world-wide is obliged to repair the item within the warranty period. Or is the US somehow excepted from this rule? I think Pentax USA are trying to pull the same stunt Nikon USA have been pulling for the last couple of years. That is, denying service, even out of warranty, to owners of gear which cannot be proven to have been supplied USA. It's true. In theory, to be eligible to receive warranty service on your in guarantee piece of kit, you need to supply the warranty card (stamped by an official dealer), and possibly also your receipt in cases where the equipment has been on sale for more than one year. There are myriad variations possible here. Kind regards Peter - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax LX ViewFinder FC1
Thanks, Peter. Although now it seems to have gone out of my price range. Subject: Re: Pentax LX ViewFinder FC1 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:54:30 -0500 I'd say so. Hello all. I am thinking about buying a FC1 viewfinder (I already have the FB1 and FD2). I have seen one on an auction site for £25. Is this a good price? Thankyou Simon _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[4]: 67 Brotherhood
On Monday, February 18, 2002, at 04:27 PM, T Rittenhouse wrote: Can those who use an LX be little bitty brothers? That honour is reserved for owners of the ME Super. LXers are Slightly Less Bitty Brothers. -BB Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 67 Brotherhood
On Monday, February 18, 2002, at 07:11 PM, T Rittenhouse wrote: Don't let them fool you Ma'm they only reason they want a sisterhood is because someone has to wash their robes and cook their gruel. Gruel? Please, we eat only the finest Ho Fun with beef (or tofu for the veggies among us). I wonder if these guys realize they are going to have to give up their single malted scotch, and cigars, and the soft jazz in the darkroom? This is an OUT AND OUT FALSEHOOD. In fact, we have CD-exchange programs in effect to broaden the brotherhood's knowledge of darkroom jazz. -Brother Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 67 Brotherhood
On Monday, February 18, 2002, at 04:53 PM, tom wrote: While you big fat stodgy 67ers are mumbling incantations, wearing goofy robes, consulting chiropractors, and hauling 50 pound packs around, us 645ers will be out shooting. I would respond to this, but in June I am marrying a chiropractor, so my credibility is pretty much shot. -BB Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P67 55mm SMCT and TMAX 400
On Monday, February 18, 2002, at 07:48 PM, Brother J. C. O'Connell wrote: The ISO 250 negs with pull processing just look better to me. This is what processing your own negs is all about: controlling it so that you get exactly what you want. I'm glad to hear the 67 gear is working out so fabulously for you! -Brother Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax fast glass?
On Monday, February 18, 2002, at 06:15 PM, Fred wrote: You are right. There are a few hasty generalizations here on the PDML (as with life in general) which have been repeated often enough as to become more-or-less accepted, even if not necessarily true. For instance, the myth that the Pentax 67 is gigantic, overly heavy and not hand-holdable. ;) -Brother Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: [3]: 67 Brotherhood
On Monday, February 18, 2002, at 05:49 PM, William Robb wrote: I say Shel Belinkoff needs to make the sacrifice of the pocketbook. What say you, Brothers? I vote yay. Shel, you'll like it in the Brotherhood. There's a sense of community and love, and best of all, BIG FREAKIN' NEGATIVES. I trust that you are enlightened enough to make the correct choice. -Brother Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[2]: 67 Brotherhood
On Monday, February 18, 2002, at 06:27 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: Hear, hear. A P67 for Mrs. Reed! I truly believe, deep in my soul, that Mrs. Reed's quality of life would be greatly increased by a Pentax 67. Think, Mrs. Reed, that by spending $1000 or less you could increase the quality of your life! Greatly! You don't have to take my word for it, it's a proven fact! I don't know how anyone could pass that up, really I don't. -Brother Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 67 Brotherhood
In Amita Guha wrote: Me either! I have a Yashicamat EM! Hey! Don't forget me! I have a Yashica D! William in Utah. PS. I wonder how many of us Y-M owners there are on the Pentax list anyway. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 67 Brotherhood
Yer in. Treena Harp wrote: I proudly own my poor, beaten-up Yashica D. I try not to let it see the 645 very often, because it does become a bit envious ... - Original Message - From: William Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:36 PM Subject: Re: 67 Brotherhood Hey! Don't forget me! I have a Yashica D! William in Utah. PS. I wonder how many of us Y-M owners there are on the Pentax list anyway. frank theriault wrote: Hey, Bill and Dave, We don't need no stinking 67's! I say we start our OWN brotherhood. Just us three. To hell with big huge mirrors flapping up and down. If they don't want to play with us Mat owners, I say we pick up our toys and start our own club. It'll be a better club anyways... -frank Bill Owens wrote: Hey, our Yashica negs are bigger than those of 645 :-0 -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 67 Brotherhood
Sure, William in Utah, You're in. All ya gotta do to be in OUR club (not a cult like those mirror-flappers) is have a Yashica tlr, and not have 'tude. cheers, Mat-boy William Johnson wrote: Hey! Don't forget me! I have a Yashica D! -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 67 Brotherhood
In [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:37:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, William Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey! Don't forget me! I have a Yashica D! William in Utah. PS. I wonder how many of us Y-M owners there are on the Pentax list anyway. One right here -- I have a 124G. Still running its meter on the mercury battery the previous owner installed. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Yashica TLR, was: Re: 67 Brotherhood
In JeffW. wrote: on 2/19/02 3:59 AM, Bill Owens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's see, there's you, Dave, Frank and myself that admit to it. I actually have 2, a 635 w/o the 35mm adapter and a 124G that has problems accepting 220 film Bill You can add me to the list with a Yashica 24. Just sold an EM to ani=other list member. I am also a proud Kiev88 owner. JeffW. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax fast glass?
Myth? Aaron Reynolds wrote: For instance, the myth that the Pentax 67 is gigantic, overly heavy and not hand-holdable. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re: 67 Brotherhood
Heh Shel.Funny thing,there was one of those next ot the Yashi67 i just bought. LOL Dave Begin Original Message From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:12:08 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 67 Brotherhood OK you girly-boys, I've decided to move up to a larger format. A bigger neg with a much quieter leaf shutter appealed to me. The LX is too noisy. The 67 is too noisy. It was time to get serious: http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/street-shooter.html William Robb wrote: Shel, you too need a Pentax 6x7 to help you overcome these negative thoughts that have infected your wretched soul. I say Shel Belinkoff needs to make the sacrifice of the -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax fast glass?
I now have two tripods, a monopod, and enough quick release plates to go around. Also, I just bought an electronic cable release for my Super Programs. And stopping down to f/5.6 So my shots should show a marked improvement in sharpness the next time I shoot a school play. Next stop: A KX to get mirror lockup. Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having a tripod (or even, to some extent, a monopod) to help out, you not only have a steadier camera to work with for focusing, but you may be able to close down the lens a bit also, making the DOF a little less miserly. Paul Franklin Stregevsky 13 Selby Court Poolesville, Maryland 20837-2410 [EMAIL PROTECTED] H (301) 349-5243 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 67 Brotherhood
I did find a wonderful medium format folder last week. Proud III It has the little ground glass vertical viewer (like the very old folders) as well as the rangefinder. It also has alternate windows onthe back for viewing different frame marks, and a flip-up mask for shooting 6x4.5 or 6x6. Really a neat little camera. My research shows it to be quite uncommon. BUT it had some damage, so I left it. Might have been nice. Collin -- --- Get over it. Dr. Laura -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re: 67 Brotherhood
Enought to put a scare into the Brotherhood me thinks g Dave(no flap)Brooks Begin Original Message From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS. I wonder how many of us Y-M owners there are on the Pentax list anyway. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[2]: 67 Brotherhood
On Monday, February 18, 2002, at 09:46 PM, Peter Alling wrote, regarding moose hats: Be careful in the woods during hunting season. ...or on the road. 0.1% of all motor vehicle accidents in Canada involve a moose. -Aaron keeper of true facts - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Cleaning a screen
Hi, gang The SC-69 screen on my LX has a lot of dirt. How can I clean it without damage? Regards AG - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Kodak shows effect of Ariport Xray's
On Monday, February 18, 2002, at 11:15 PM, Oliver Raymond wrote: Thought we should be intersted in the following.. I'm printing out the FAA regulations, and including them in my wallet! http://www.kodak.com/global/en/service/tib/tib5201.shtml My favourite warning is this one: Be cautious with film not purchased through Kodak or authorized Kodak dealers. Ask about the source of the film, and consider shooting a test before you use it. ...because after all, that Fuji film probably had x-ray damage before you bought it. What on earth is that warning doing in the section about x-ray precautions? Little digs like this just kill Kodak's credibility. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
P67 myth rears its ugly head again, was Re: Pentax fast glass?
On Tuesday, February 19, 2002, at 07:27 AM, Fred wrote: Aw, c'mon, brother Aaron, please don't carry that Brotherhood stuff over to this thread, too. Remember, this thread is about ~fast~ glass, not just about ~big~ glass - g. Heh. I'm serious, though. Put a Pentax 67 next to an F5. Compare physical size. Compare weight. Hell, my old Mamiya C330 twin lens weighed more than my 67 and was significantly more awkward to hand-hold. The Pentax 67 is only big or heavy when compared to the smallest and lightest of 35mm cameras. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: LEGO photography again
On Tuesday, February 19, 2002, at 12:11 AM, Amy Hughes wrote: http://www.amyhughes.org/lego/church/temp/church001.jpg That's lovely. How long have you been building it? -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 67 Brotherhood
On 19 Feb 2002 at 11:43, Norman Baugher wrote: I agree Brother William, they truly cannot see us as the burning beacon on a distant horizon, a lighthouse waiting to guild them in to the safe harbor of the 6x7 format. That's not a lighthouse, that's the fiery pain of your hernia. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Kodak shows effect of Ariport Xray's
On Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:04:23 -0500, Aaron Reynolds wrote: Be cautious with film not purchased through Kodak or authorized Kodak dealers. Ask about the source of the film, and consider shooting a test before you use it. Little digs like this just kill Kodak's credibility. I think they're warning about buying grey market film. In that case, you don't know where, when, how, how many times, etc., the film might have been shipped internationally and possibly x-rayed. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: [3]: 67 Brotherhood
Don't do it Shel. Get a Speed Graphic and become a Pro Photographer. Ciao, Graywolf - Original Message - From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [3]: 67 Brotherhood On Monday, February 18, 2002, at 05:49 PM, William Robb wrote: I say Shel Belinkoff needs to make the sacrifice of the pocketbook. What say you, Brothers? I vote yay. Shel, you'll like it in the Brotherhood. There's a sense of community and love, and best of all, BIG FREAKIN' NEGATIVES. I trust that you are enlightened enough to make the correct choice. -Brother Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 67 Brotherhood
Ooo... You need to get one of those, Tom. Just think of the possiblities. 12x36 wedding albums Ciao, Graywolf - Original Message - From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:25 AM Subject: Re: 67 Brotherhood On 18 Feb 2002 at 19:22, Bill D. Casselberry wrote: ... so - bow down and pay homage! !8^) I'll be happy to shake your hand at some point. Speaking of big negs...at the wedding I did yesterday was a guy with a Linhof Technorama 617! Not exactly something you see at every reception. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re: Re[2]: 67 Brotherhood
The rest of the accidents involve meeses Dave(losser of facts) Begin Original Message From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:23:58 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: 67 Brotherhood On Monday, February 18, 2002, at 09:46 PM, Peter Alling wrote, regarding moose hats: Be careful in the woods during hunting season. ...or on the road. 0.1% of all motor vehicle accidents in Canada involve a moose. -Aaron keeper of true facts - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 67 Brotherhood
I have a Ricohflex, the only thing you can say for them is that they a better than Yashicaflexes. But I can not join your club because I am a Pro Photographer, and if you don't believe me I will blow your eyes out with a press 25 flash bulb. By the way I also have a couple of Norman 200B strobes just in case I run out of flash bulbs though I would probably have to hire a big guy like Shel or Bill Owens to carry it about for me. Ciao, Graywolf - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:56 AM Subject: Re: 67 Brotherhood In Amita Guha wrote: Me either! I have a Yashicamat EM! Hey! Don't forget me! I have a Yashica D! William in Utah. PS. I wonder how many of us Y-M owners there are on the Pentax list anyway. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: 67 Brotherhood
I'm not sure whether that guild Norm wrote was supposed to be guide or geld. Len (G, d, r) --- -Original Message- From: tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 8:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 67 Brotherhood On 19 Feb 2002 at 11:43, Norman Baugher wrote: I agree Brother William, they truly cannot see us as the burning beacon on a distant horizon, a lighthouse waiting to guild them in to the safe harbor of the 6x7 format. That's not a lighthouse, that's the fiery pain of your hernia. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P67 myth
As an afterthought, here are the figures for the Mamiya 7II: Dimensions: 159 x 112 x 66 Weight: 920 grams, 1210 ~including~ 80mm normal lens Note: None of the weights include batteries, which, in the case of the 67 and the Nikon can add quite a few more grams. The LX and the Mamiya use smaller and fewer batteries. Shel Belinkoff wrote: The 67 is about three times the size and weight of an LX, and, surprisingly, only a fair amount larger than the Nikon F5: Dimensions in millimeters: LX 145 x 90 x 50 67II185 x 151 x 106 Nikon F5158 x 149 x 79 Weight in grams: LX 565 67II1660 F5 1210 It's amazing to me that the Nikon is so big and heavy. Seems to defeat the purpose of a discreet, 35mm camera. However, it does include a motor drive. How much bigger/heavier would the 67 be with a motor drive or winder? Aaron said: Heh. I'm serious, though. Put a Pentax 67 next to an F5. Compare physical size. Compare weight. Hell, my old Mamiya C330 twin lens weighed more than my 67 and was significantly more awkward to hand-hold. And Fred sed: Why an F5? Why not an LX, say, or an MX? Well, have you forgotten JCO's Pentax Family photo (http://www.gate.net/~hifisapi/pentaxfamily.jpg), where the Spotmatic is dwarfed by the 6x7 (and the Spotmatic is not one of the smallest and lightest of 35mm cameras), just as the 110 is dwarfed by the Spotmatic? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P67 myth
Camera weight is quantifiable of course, but how that weight affects one's use of the camera is purely subjective. Sunday, I hiked a few miles into LaJolla Canyon, uphill all the way, with a 6x7 and three lenses in a Pelican case, and a tripod tucked under my other arm. The weight of the equipment was not a significant burden. Once I had found my first shot, I left the camera and a 105mm lens on the tripod and carried that assembly over one shoulder, with the Pelican in my other arm. I climbed some fairly significant grades to get a good shot of the canyon. I think I will invest in a Trekker for hiking purposes, which would make it easier yet. That photographer I mentioned in a private message, Gordon Clark, carries three 67IIs and 4 lenses in a Trekker. (Three bodies cuts down on loading time.) He has done 20 miles in African bush country with that rig on his back. I guess it all depends on how bad you want that big negative. Paul Shel Belinkoff wrote: The 67 is about three times the size and weight of an LX, and, surprisingly, only a fair amount larger than the Nikon F5: Dimensions in millimeters: LX 145 x 90 x 50 67II185 x 151 x 106 Nikon F5158 x 149 x 79 Weight in grams: LX 565 67II1660 F5 1210 It's amazing to me that the Nikon is so big and heavy. Seems to defeat the purpose of a discreet, 35mm camera. However, it does include a motor drive. How much bigger/heavier would the 67 be with a motor drive or winder? Aaron said: Heh. I'm serious, though. Put a Pentax 67 next to an F5. Compare physical size. Compare weight. Hell, my old Mamiya C330 twin lens weighed more than my 67 and was significantly more awkward to hand-hold. And Fred sed: Why an F5? Why not an LX, say, or an MX? Well, have you forgotten JCO's Pentax Family photo (http://www.gate.net/~hifisapi/pentaxfamily.jpg), where the Spotmatic is dwarfed by the 6x7 (and the Spotmatic is not one of the smallest and lightest of 35mm cameras), just as the 110 is dwarfed by the Spotmatic? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P67 myth
The 67 battery weighs but a fraction of an ounce. Paul Shel Belinkoff wrote: As an afterthought, here are the figures for the Mamiya 7II: Dimensions: 159 x 112 x 66 Weight: 920 grams, 1210 ~including~ 80mm normal lens Note: None of the weights include batteries, which, in the case of the 67 and the Nikon can add quite a few more grams. The LX and the Mamiya use smaller and fewer batteries. Shel Belinkoff wrote: The 67 is about three times the size and weight of an LX, and, surprisingly, only a fair amount larger than the Nikon F5: Dimensions in millimeters: LX 145 x 90 x 50 67II185 x 151 x 106 Nikon F5158 x 149 x 79 Weight in grams: LX 565 67II1660 F5 1210 It's amazing to me that the Nikon is so big and heavy. Seems to defeat the purpose of a discreet, 35mm camera. However, it does include a motor drive. How much bigger/heavier would the 67 be with a motor drive or winder? Aaron said: Heh. I'm serious, though. Put a Pentax 67 next to an F5. Compare physical size. Compare weight. Hell, my old Mamiya C330 twin lens weighed more than my 67 and was significantly more awkward to hand-hold. And Fred sed: Why an F5? Why not an LX, say, or an MX? Well, have you forgotten JCO's Pentax Family photo (http://www.gate.net/~hifisapi/pentaxfamily.jpg), where the Spotmatic is dwarfed by the 6x7 (and the Spotmatic is not one of the smallest and lightest of 35mm cameras), just as the 110 is dwarfed by the Spotmatic? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P67 myth rears its ugly head again, was Re: Pentax fast glass?
On Tuesday, February 19, 2002, at 10:11 AM, Fred wrote: Heh. I'm serious, though. Put a Pentax 67 next to an F5. Compare physical size. Compare weight. Hell, my old Mamiya C330 twin lens weighed more than my 67 and was significantly more awkward to hand-hold. Why an F5? Why not an LX, say, or an MX? The F5 is an acceptable weight and size for photojournalists, people who run around with their cameras all day long. Therefore, if the 67 is of similar size and weight, does that not make it also acceptably light and small for carrying around all day? I've picked the F5 because 1) it is nearly the same size and weight as the 67 and 2) it is popular. The Pentax 67 is only big or heavy when compared to the smallest and lightest of 35mm cameras. Well, have you forgotten JCO's Pentax Family photo (http://www.gate.net/~hifisapi/pentaxfamily.jpg), where the Spotmatic is dwarfed by the 6x7 (and the Spotmatic is not one of the smallest and lightest of 35mm cameras), just as the 110 is dwarfed by the Spotmatic? Okay, here's what I am trying to say: the 67 has a reputation for being overly heavy and not hand-holdable. If you consider the Spotmatic not hand-holdable, gigantic and overly heavy because of the existence of the 110, then your argument makes sense. However, just because there is a camera out there that is smaller (and that takes a smaller film format), that does not make a camera bigger than it gigantic, overly heavy and impossible to hand-hold. That is what I am trying to say. I am not trying to say that the Pentax 67 is smaller or lighter than the Auto 110. I am trying to make the point that it is a portable, convenient size. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: DOF with close up lenses
I originally replied to this a few days ago, but learned that some changes in my email setting meant that my posts didn't go through - hopefully (thanks Doug!) this will now... Depth of field is a function of magnification, so it doesn't matter how you get to the magnification, DOF is the same. If you keep this formula handy: DOF = 2fc(m+1)/m^2 (that's m squared in the denominator). Where - m = magnification f = aperture c = the size of the circle of confusion you want to use to define apparent sharpness, generally considered to be 0.1 to 0.025 mm. (The circle of confusion is this: how big can an out of focus point be and still look sharp in you final enlargement. So, we're saying that a theoretical point (which of course has no dimnesion) could be out of focus and so grow to 0.033 mm in size and we'll still consider that sharp.) So at 1:1 with an aperture of f8 and a target circle of confusion of 0.033mm, DOF is 0.528 mm. It doesn't matter if you get there with a 50mm or with a 500mm, extension, diopters, or teleconverters - DOF is the same. (Those other things change angle of view, perspective, distance to subject, and exposure factors though.) So... figure up what your magnification is with the diopters and go from there. For me, this was the single most important lesson gleaned from many readings of John Shaw's Closeups In Nature. It really cuts through some of the confusion regarding DOF and focal length. Hope this helps - MCC - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P67 myth
On Tuesday, February 19, 2002, at 10:49 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: I must agree with Fred here. A few weeks ago I stopped by my usual lab to pick up some slides and one of the owners was there. He shoots weddings with a 67II and brought it out to show to me. I was impressed by two things: 1 - Man, that's a gorgeous camera! It really is beautiful. 2 - Wow, that thing's huge! (Even compared to a 645 it's big) Compared to the Pentax 645, yes, maybe, but have you played with the Contax? The Contax weighs more, too. And compared to any other non-rangefinder 67s, the Pentax 67 is positively tiny. Pentax make the smallest or close-to-the-smallest cameras in virtually every class that they are in. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 67 Brotherhood
On Monday, February 18, 2002, at 04:55 PM, Robert Harris wrote: Why would an LX user want to be part of this Brotherhood of Bloat? Now, now...where is the bloat on the 67? Sure, it's bigger than an LX, because it takes bigger film and has that glorious prism, but compare it to another 67 and it's downright svelte. That's like calling the LX bloated for being bigger than the Auto 110. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re: P67 myth
two words,volkswagon beetle g Dave . How much bigger/heavier would the 67 be with a motor drive or winder? Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P67 myth
On Tuesday, February 19, 2002, at 11:12 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: It's amazing to me that the Nikon is so big and heavy. Seems to defeat the purpose of a discreet, 35mm camera. Yep. But it is accepted as the default photojournalist 35. That's the point I'm trying to make...why is that acceptable to carry around, but the 67 is insanely gigantic? However, it does include a motor drive. How much bigger/heavier would the 67 be with a motor drive or winder? Well, the 645n isn't that much bigger or heavier than, say, a Bronica 645 with no drive... -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P67 myth
Of course ... since there was discussion about size, I thought some figures would be useful. There are people who hike with bigger and heavier view cameras, and I had a friend, many years ago, who would take his 8 x 10 camera out on the streets of San Francisco. Again, as always, it comes down to using the right equipment for the job, and using the equipment that matches your personality and style of shooting. However, all the Brotherhood and enablement nonsense, no matter how good natured, is becoming tiresome, and, to some people, a bit annoying. Paul Stenquist wrote: Camera weight is quantifiable of course, but how that weight affects one's use of the camera is purely subjective. Sunday, I hiked a few miles into LaJolla Canyon, uphill all the way, with a 6x7 and three lenses in a Pelican case, and a tripod tucked under my other arm. The weight of the equipment was not a significant burden. Once I had found my first shot, I left the camera and a 105mm lens on the tripod and carried that assembly over one shoulder, with the Pelican in my other arm. I climbed some fairly significant grades to get a good shot of the canyon. I think I will invest in a Trekker for hiking purposes, which would make it easier yet. That photographer I mentioned in a private message, Gordon Clark, carries three 67IIs and 4 lenses in a Trekker. (Three bodies cuts down on loading time.) He has done 20 miles in African bush country with that rig on his back. I guess it all depends on how bad you want that big negative. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 67 Brotherhood
Alas, I had my hopes that the Little Brothers would realize their lot in life and satisfied with a position, however symbolic, in the Brotherhood. But it seems that their envy has made this impossible. I vote aye to the P67B... long live the Brotherhood! Brother Chris, P67B On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Norman Baugher wrote: I agree Brother William, they truly cannot see us as the burning beacon on a distant horizon, a lighthouse waiting to guild them in to the safe harbor of the 6x7 format. Amen. Brother Norm William Robb wrote: Methinks we should not allow the puny me too users of the little medium format into the Brotherhood of the 6x7. For if we do, we shall have to tolerate abuse such as you have seen written from Brotherette Tom for all eternity. Brothers, we must nip this malevolance in the bud. We must exclude those who do not share the vision of truth that those of us who have been enlightened have seen. Perhaps a Brotherhood of the Weenie Wannabees for those who have not yet found the true path is in order. I submit these ideas respectfully and thoughfully to the Brotherhood of the 6x7. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P67 myth
Aaron Reynolds wrote: Yep. But it is accepted as the default photojournalist 35. That's the point I'm trying to make...why is that acceptable to carry around, but the 67 is insanely gigantic? It's only acceptable to some people, and in some circumstances. And it does defeat the purpose of a discreet, 35mm camera. My point is that 35mm and 67 are not necessarily interchangeable, especially small, discreet 35mm cameras. While there can be situations where the 67 is a better choice, it is not the best choice in others. Both cameras are, to many photographers, insanely gigantic. If you like the camera, fine, enjoy it, use it to make photographs that suit your style and personality. But please, stop trying to enable everyone on this list to follow the lead of the Brotherhood. It's becoming tiresome and annoying, and the humor has gone out of it. The horse is dead, stop beating it. We've gotten your message - over and over again. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Cleaning a LX Screen (please brotherhood)
Hi, Brotherhood I'm a tiny format user, and need help. My LX screen is dirty, and I want to clean it, without damaging it. Recomendations? Thanks Albano - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: OT: Kodak shows effect of Ariport Xray's
I think they are referring to possible grey market film which could have been through Xrays when the indie reseller imported it. -Original Message- From: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 February 2002 14:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Kodak shows effect of Ariport Xray's On Monday, February 18, 2002, at 11:15 PM, Oliver Raymond wrote: Thought we should be intersted in the following.. I'm printing out the FAA regulations, and including them in my wallet! http://www.kodak.com/global/en/service/tib/tib5201.shtml My favourite warning is this one: Be cautious with film not purchased through Kodak or authorized Kodak dealers. Ask about the source of the film, and consider shooting a test before you use it. ...because after all, that Fuji film probably had x-ray damage before you bought it. What on earth is that warning doing in the section about x-ray precautions? Little digs like this just kill Kodak's credibility. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Cleaning a LX Screen (please brotherhood)
Remove the screen, blow some air on it, or use a brush, and get the surface dirt off. It has been noted here that a very mild solution of dishwashing soap can be used to remove grease, and then rinse the screen in distilled water. I've never tried this, but other sources suggest it and similar techniques. Here's a selection of comments that might be useful: http://zuiko.sls.bc.ca/swright/archives/1999/thrd57.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My LX screen is dirty, and I want to clean it, without damaging it. Recomendations? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P67 myth rears its ugly head again, was Re: Pentax fast glass?
Okay, here's what I am trying to say: the 67 has a reputation for being overly heavy and not hand-holdable. [snip] That is what I am trying to say. [snip] I am trying to make the point that it is a portable, convenient size. OK, Aaron, I guess I'll try to understand that concept (even though I'm not rushing out to buy a 6x7). ;-) However, as beautiful a camera body the 6x7 may be to some, it still is far larger in every physical characteristic than most people would ever want or need. I'm glad that you medium format guys are finding some brotherhood on the PDML - I imagine that some of you may get tired of wading through all the 35mm stuff to get to what seems relevant to a 6x7 (or a 645). However, there is no need for any of the small format bashing that's been going on. Fred - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
P67B
On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Aaron Reynolds wrote: Yep. But it is accepted as the default photojournalist 35. That's the point I'm trying to make...why is that acceptable to carry around, but the 67 is insanely gigantic? It's only acceptable to some people, and in some circumstances. And it does defeat the purpose of a discreet, 35mm camera. True. And rangefinders defeat the purpose of a versatile, modular 35mm camera (the F5 has a very wide range of interchangeable finders, lenses, backs, etc.). To each their own... I'm glad that both options exist. My point is that 35mm and 67 are not necessarily interchangeable, especially small, discreet 35mm cameras. While there can be situations where the 67 is a better choice, it is not the best choice in others. Of course. What the Brotherhood g was trying to get at was that it's often the same people criticizing the P67 for its size and weight who use just-as-heavy 35mm cameras like the F5. Or who have never used one in the field for a day. If someone starting slamming rangefinders for being awful street cameras, but had never taken the time to actually use one themselves, what would you think? Both cameras are, to many photographers, insanely gigantic. If you like the camera, fine, enjoy it, use it to make photographs that suit your style and personality. But please, stop trying to enable everyone on this list to follow the lead of the Brotherhood. It's becoming tiresome and annoying, and the humor has gone out of it. The horse is dead, stop beating it. We've gotten your message - over and over again. Geez, lighten up. It's no worse than a lot of other threads... at least this one is about Pentax equipment, correcting some stereotypes about a much-maligned camera, and winning converts to the One True Way. Er... scratch that last bit. ;) Brother Chris, P67B - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P67B
It happens all the time. Frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a damn. People will think what they want to think, and while it may be useful to help people overcome their prejudices and see something with a different POV, there is no need for evangelical fervor in so doing, especially wrt a camera choice. Chris Brogden wrote: If someone starting slamming rangefinders for being awful street cameras, but had never taken the time to actually use one themselves, what would you think? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: B W film or Grayscale
I just recently started developing and printing my own BW, and before that used with scans of BW film or de-saturated color film. I'll also flip the digicam into BW mode from time to time. If you're planning to use a scanner and digital printer, I'd suggest using either chromogenic BW (like Ilford XP2 super or Kodak BW +) or shooting color negatives and converting to grayscale. I've never been able to scan traditional BW film well - the scanner seems to accentuate the grain and lose some of the sharpness. I've also had a hard time getting consistent results in terms of BW film development from the local labs, even those that are well regarded, but the chromogenic BW negatives seem to come out OK from any minilab. In regards to converting color film to grayscale, aside from de-saturating your scan you can extract a particular channel, sometimes with better results. Corel Photopaint has a split channels to command that will create grayscale representations of each color channel. These sometimes are more interesting than just desaturating, and sort of simulate the effects of using a color filter with BW. The biggest problem I have with digital grayscale is getting a decent print. The documentation with my Epson 2000p flat out says it is not intended for BW, and it's predicessor, an Epson Photo EX, was just as bad. Maybe other brands of printers can do better at this. I get a monochrome print but usually with a blue or green tint. If I print in BW (not color ink) then there is a loss in fine detail. All in all, I have to admit that traditional BW prints do seem to do better. Hope this helps - MCC At 06:37 AM 2/18/02 +1100, Kevin wrote: I have been fiddling with GIMP and grey scale images and color reduction to 2 colors (black and white) and have been having some success. What I am curious about is the quality of such an image taken with color film against black and white images taken with black and white film. My situation is this. All my film, color or BW is developed in a local lab. I then use my neg scanner to bring the images into the The GIMP for printing and/or manipulation. What are peoples thoughts about B W film versus Greyscale? Kind regards Kevin - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P67 myth
Pentax make the smallest or close-to-the-smallest cameras in virtually every class that they are in. This is quite true. However, some of those classes are made of rather large pieces of photographic gear. Being the smallest gorilla in a troop of gorillas still means that you're a gorilla. (I like gorillas, mind you - and I certainly don't want to start a dog-vs-cat-vs-gorilla thread here.) Fred - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Cleaning a LX Screen (please brotherhood)
On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Remove the screen, blow some air on it, or use a brush, [snip] How do screens compare with mirrors for scratch-resistance? I've heard that the mirrors scratch very easily, and that even a fine brush can leave marks on it. How strong are focusing screens? chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P67 myth rears its ugly head again
On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Fred wrote: Okay, here's what I am trying to say: the 67 has a reputation for being overly heavy and not hand-holdable. [snip] That is what I am trying to say. [snip] I am trying to make the point that it is a portable, convenient size. OK, Aaron, I guess I'll try to understand that concept (even though I'm not rushing out to buy a 6x7). ;-) However, as beautiful a camera body the 6x7 may be to some, it still is far larger in every physical characteristic than most people would ever want or need. True. But then there's the flip side. I've heard a lot of scary things about the size and weight of MedF, and the RB67's and 'blads we've had come through Don's have only reinforced that. It wasn't until we got some Pentax 67's before that I realized that the P67 was a lot lighter than I expected it to be. Now I use it as my take-to-parties camera. :) Of course not everyone would do that, but at least they might be curious enough to pick one up sometime to see for themselves, instead of being intimidated into never making the effort. I'm glad that you medium format guys are finding some brotherhood on the PDML - I imagine that some of you may get tired of wading through all the 35mm stuff to get to what seems relevant to a 6x7 (or a 645). I think most of us also shoot Pentax 35mm, so I don't really see it as a 'division' of any sort between the MedF and 35mm people. Think of it as 'enabling'... on a grand scale! However, there is no need for any of the small format bashing that's been going on. Can 35mm users refrain from bashing 110, disc, or APS film? ;) Seriously, I still use my LX, and I still like 35mm for a lot of things, but my 67 has been a lot of fun, and I'm hoping to share that with everyone. Much like the LX wink... if ya got it, flaunt it. ;) (Even more seriously... I work in a camera store. I'm around cameras all the time. I'm impressed by photos, not by equipment.) Brother Chris, P67B - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: DOF with close up lenses
Wrong! You are confusing aperture (diameter of the opening) with f-stop (focal length divided by aperture). Also since DOF is normally figured for 8x10 prints viewed at 10 inches you can use 0.25mm (1/100 inch) as your COC for all calculations. At f8 a 500mm lens has 10x as large an aperture as a 50mm so your DOF will be 1/10 that of the 50mm. Ciao, Graywolf - Original Message - From: Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: Re: DOF with close up lenses I originally replied to this a few days ago, but learned that some changes in my email setting meant that my posts didn't go through - hopefully (thanks Doug!) this will now... Depth of field is a function of magnification, so it doesn't matter how you get to the magnification, DOF is the same. If you keep this formula handy: DOF = 2fc(m+1)/m^2 (that's m squared in the denominator). Where - m = magnification f = aperture c = the size of the circle of confusion you want to use to define apparent sharpness, generally considered to be 0.1 to 0.025 mm. (The circle of confusion is this: how big can an out of focus point be and still look sharp in you final enlargement. So, we're saying that a theoretical point (which of course has no dimnesion) could be out of focus and so grow to 0.033 mm in size and we'll still consider that sharp.) So at 1:1 with an aperture of f8 and a target circle of confusion of 0.033mm, DOF is 0.528 mm. It doesn't matter if you get there with a 50mm or with a 500mm, extension, diopters, or teleconverters - DOF is the same. (Those other things change angle of view, perspective, distance to subject, and exposure factors though.) So... figure up what your magnification is with the diopters and go from there. For me, this was the single most important lesson gleaned from many readings of John Shaw's Closeups In Nature. It really cuts through some of the confusion regarding DOF and focal length. Hope this helps - MCC - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P67 myth
Or you could get a freighter pack frame and strap the Pelican and the tripod to it. Ciao, Graywolf - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:30 AM Subject: Re: P67 myth Camera weight is quantifiable of course, but how that weight affects one's use of the camera is purely subjective. Sunday, I hiked a few miles into LaJolla Canyon, uphill all the way, with a 6x7 and three lenses in a Pelican case, and a tripod tucked under my other arm. The weight of the equipment was not a significant burden. Once I had found my first shot, I left the camera and a 105mm lens on the tripod and carried that assembly over one shoulder, with the Pelican in my other arm. I climbed some fairly significant grades to get a good shot of the canyon. I think I will invest in a Trekker for hiking purposes, which would make it easier yet. That photographer I mentioned in a private message, Gordon Clark, carries three 67IIs and 4 lenses in a Trekker. (Three bodies cuts down on loading time.) He has done 20 miles in African bush country with that rig on his back. I guess it all depends on how bad you want that big negative. Paul Shel Belinkoff wrote: The 67 is about three times the size and weight of an LX, and, surprisingly, only a fair amount larger than the Nikon F5: Dimensions in millimeters: LX 145 x 90 x 50 67II185 x 151 x 106 Nikon F5158 x 149 x 79 Weight in grams: LX 565 67II1660 F5 1210 It's amazing to me that the Nikon is so big and heavy. Seems to defeat the purpose of a discreet, 35mm camera. However, it does include a motor drive. How much bigger/heavier would the 67 be with a motor drive or winder? Aaron said: Heh. I'm serious, though. Put a Pentax 67 next to an F5. Compare physical size. Compare weight. Hell, my old Mamiya C330 twin lens weighed more than my 67 and was significantly more awkward to hand-hold. And Fred sed: Why an F5? Why not an LX, say, or an MX? Well, have you forgotten JCO's Pentax Family photo (http://www.gate.net/~hifisapi/pentaxfamily.jpg), where the Spotmatic is dwarfed by the 6x7 (and the Spotmatic is not one of the smallest and lightest of 35mm cameras), just as the 110 is dwarfed by the Spotmatic? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: slide mounts
joe wrote: As i do a bit of wildlife photography as most would know its a hit and miss exercise. Some slides will turn out while others will not. I'm considering getting my slides processed without the mounts so that way I will be able to sort through them and mount those that came out. Is the way you would go - mount my own slides and if so which mounts would you recommend. I did the cost/time analysis and decided to continue having them mounted -- I'd rather have the few extra hours per roll to do something else (play with my daughter, watch a movie, take more pictures). If you decide you do have the time to mount slides, you should probably look into developing them yourself too -- it can be slightly cheaper and you can get push processing for free. As for slide mounts, Gepe are my favorite. Get the glassless kind because the glass interferes with some scanners. hope that helps, patbob ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Cleaning a LX Screen (please brotherhood)
I've cleaned a couple of mirrors with no disasters or problems. One had a lot of black, decomposed foam and sticky stuff on it. I just used some lens cleaner on a q-tip, and gently wiped it away. Another list member is using the camera now, and he's had no complaints or concerns about the silvering on the mirror. Both screens and mirrors can be easily scratched or damaged if you're not careful. I admit to great trepidation when fiddling around with either, but I do believe they're not quite as fragile as they're made out to be. Chris Brogden wrote: How do screens compare with mirrors for scratch-resistance? I've heard that the mirrors scratch very easily, and that even a fine brush can leave marks on it. How strong are focusing screens? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P67B
On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Shel Belinkoff wrote: It happens all the time. Frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a damn. People will think what they want to think, and while it may be useful to help people overcome their prejudices and see something with a different POV, there is no need for evangelical fervor in so doing, especially wrt a camera choice. I agree; evangelists and fanatics scare the #%$ out of me. Hence the humourous, tongue-in-cheek tone of the P67B posts. Some 35mm guys have responded in kind (the hernia comment was great, Tom!), and it's made for some playful banter back and forth. For me, it's meant as playful teasing, not as any attempt to ridicule 35mm in general. I think those itty-bitty negs allow 35mm to ridicule itself quite adequately without the P67B needing to do anything. :) (Yes, that was a joke... be gentle.) :) chris, P67B Chris Brogden wrote: If someone starting slamming rangefinders for being awful street cameras, but had never taken the time to actually use one themselves, what would you think? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P67 myth
??? will, I suggest you punch him out and quit reading them. I find it great fun, and I am on the opposite side of it. You do know you can skip messages you are not interested in? When everybody starts skipping them the thread dies. Ciao, Graywolf - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: Re: P67 myth Of course ... since there was discussion about size, I thought some figures would be useful. There are people who hike with bigger and heavier view cameras, and I had a friend, many years ago, who would take his 8 x 10 camera out on the streets of San Francisco. Again, as always, it comes down to using the right equipment for the job, and using the equipment that matches your personality and style of shooting. However, all the Brotherhood and enablement nonsense, no matter how good natured, is becoming tiresome, and, to some people, a bit annoying. Paul Stenquist wrote: Camera weight is quantifiable of course, but how that weight affects one's use of the camera is purely subjective. Sunday, I hiked a few miles into LaJolla Canyon, uphill all the way, with a 6x7 and three lenses in a Pelican case, and a tripod tucked under my other arm. The weight of the equipment was not a significant burden. Once I had found my first shot, I left the camera and a 105mm lens on the tripod and carried that assembly over one shoulder, with the Pelican in my other arm. I climbed some fairly significant grades to get a good shot of the canyon. I think I will invest in a Trekker for hiking purposes, which would make it easier yet. That photographer I mentioned in a private message, Gordon Clark, carries three 67IIs and 4 lenses in a Trekker. (Three bodies cuts down on loading time.) He has done 20 miles in African bush country with that rig on his back. I guess it all depends on how bad you want that big negative. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: USA vs. Grey Import Med. Format Equip Question/Problem
But Mamiya America is independent of Mamiya. They're an importer with a license. Their profits prices have nothing to do with prices set anywhere else. Collin -- --- Get over it. Dr. Laura -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P67 myth
Fred wrote: Being the smallest gorilla in a troop of gorillas still means that you're a gorilla. That's going in my permanent collection of PDML quotations! -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Filter question
On Monday, February 18, 2002, at 03:23 PM, Bill Owens wrote: I think there is a problem with the ME and MES. Using just the orange filter, the TTL metering in my MES (which I THINK is fixed) shows a 1 stop correction. The data sheet shows 2 1/3 stops correction. This morning I shot a roll of FP4 (ISO 125) in my Yashica Mat, using a Minolta IIIF incident meter at ISO 25 and the negatives appear perfect. Using the MES in TTL would have underexposed by 1 1/3 stops. Your meter is right on, don't worry. This is what we were talking about -- black and white film is not sensitive to all colours of light in exactly the same way. The redder the light, the more exposure the film requires to make a proper exposure. If you had colour film in your camera, your ME's meter would have given you perfectly exposed negs. However, the bw film needs that extra 1 1/3 stop because of the colour of the filter. The rest of the exposure difference is due to the filter's density. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P67B
On Tuesday, February 19, 2002, at 12:45 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: there is no need for evangelical fervor in so doing, especially wrt a camera choice. Shel, I've been trying to ape some of the Nikon/Canon testimonials I've read over the ages. It has all been quite tongue-in-cheek. I most certainly realize that the 67 is not an ideal camera for most people. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: REAL photo tips!
This guy thinks he's a Zen photographer, kind of like Chevy Chase in caddy shack ... see the camera, be the camera ... Repeat about 1000 time until you think you're results look like Ansel Adams. At 09:57 AM 2/19/2002 -0500, you wrote: All the secrets of photography revealed! http://johnlind.tripod.com/tips.html -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P67 myth rears its ugly head again, was Re: Pentax fast glass?
On Tuesday, February 19, 2002, at 12:19 PM, Fred wrote: OK, Aaron, I guess I'll try to understand that concept (even though I'm not rushing out to buy a 6x7). ;-) However, as beautiful a camera body the 6x7 may be to some, it still is far larger in every physical characteristic than most people would ever want or need. Fred, you don't know what you're missing. ;) I'm glad that you medium format guys are finding some brotherhood on the PDML - I imagine that some of you may get tired of wading through all the 35mm stuff to get to what seems relevant to a 6x7 (or a 645). However, there is no need for any of the small format bashing that's been going on. I think we've just been slightly giddy at having nearly the majority of the messages devoted to medium format for almost two whole days! The 35mm bashing has been absolutely tongue-in-cheek. There is no way that I would sell my LX or my A* 200mm f2.8, even to finance more 67 gear. Hell, after all that goofy fuss I put up, my favourite lens on the lens roll call is still a 35mm lens. ;) -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Cleaning a LX Screen (please brotherhood)
Chris Brogden asked: How strong are focusing screens? not very strong at all, they are plastic, I have scratched one with over vigorous use of a cotton bud. Regards, /\/\ick... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: B W film or Grayscale
I too, was having trouble getting a decent BW print from my Epson 1270. After trying many different settings for glossy photo paper, I found that setting the printer software on plain paper, but using Ilford Glossy Galerie, the results are much better. I think it's due to the fact that the printer lays down less ink on the plain paper setting. Bill The biggest problem I have with digital grayscale is getting a decent print. The documentation with my Epson 2000p flat out says it is not intended for BW, and it's predicessor, an Epson Photo EX, was just as bad. Maybe other brands of printers can do better at this. I get a monochrome print but usually with a blue or green tint. If I print in BW (not color ink) then there is a loss in fine detail. All in all, I have to admit that traditional BW prints do seem to do better. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P67 myth
However, all the Brotherhood and enablement nonsense, no matter how good natured, is becoming tiresome, and, to some people, a bit annoying. I concur, Shel. What started out as a humorous show of medium format cameraderie (misspelling intentional - g) has become not so funny anymore (not when some of the humor has turned to bashing of other list members' equipment and tastes, on a list that's supposed to be for ~all~ Pentaxers). Fred - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Cleaning a LX Screen (please brotherhood)
On Tuesday, February 19, 2002, at 12:25 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: It has been noted here that a very mild solution of dishwashing soap can be used to remove grease, and then rinse the screen in distilled water. I've had great luck getting grease and oil and the like off of optical surfaces with that ROR cleaning fluid. Haven't tried it on a screen, but I imagine that it would work the same as it does for lenses and eyepieces. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P67 myth rears its ugly head again, was Re: Pentax fast glass?
At 10:11 AM 2/19/2002 -0500, Fred wrote: Aw, c'mon, brother Aaron, please don't carry that Brotherhood stuff over to this thread, too. Remember, this thread is about ~fast~ glass, not just about ~big~ glass - g. Heh. I'm serious, though. Put a Pentax 67 next to an F5. Compare physical size. Compare weight. Hell, my old Mamiya C330 twin lens weighed more than my 67 and was significantly more awkward to hand-hold. Why an F5? Why not an LX, say, or an MX? Because the LX and MX are so much smaller than the F5 that the comparison would be ludicrous. The advantage of a small format should be the small size of the equipment. The Nikon breaks that rule so the comparison makes the 67 look even better. (Gee, these brotherhood guys are crafty). The Pentax 67 is only big or heavy when compared to the smallest and lightest of 35mm cameras. Well, have you forgotten JCO's Pentax Family photo (http://www.gate.net/~hifisapi/pentaxfamily.jpg), where the Spotmatic is dwarfed by the 6x7 (and the Spotmatic is not one of the smallest and lightest of 35mm cameras), just as the 110 is dwarfed by the Spotmatic? Fred - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Nocturnal Photography (was Painting With Light)
--- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone tried painting with light? Any suggestions or tips? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - There is a really cool website on nocturnal photography and painting with light is addressed. As I understand it, you basically just wave a flashlight over your subject on a long exposure. Now that I think about it, last time I was in Waldenbooks I saw a book of great photos from Life magazine. One was a portrait of Picasso. The photographer had him stand in a dark room, fired the flash, then had Picasso draw in the air with a penlight. Try to find that book. It's an awesome portrait. Deb in TX Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 67 Brotherhood
I must just have a dirty mind but the double entendre possibilities in these posts are getting too hard to ignore. (If you don't remember just look back at some of the posts about membership), and now this. I can just see Aaron an Bill leading a whole army of them. (Oh that was so politically incorrect). At 10:46 PM 2/18/2002 -0500, you wrote: If you warship any god but the one true god you are an infidel. It is always that way with these fanatics. I saw Aaron and Bill gathering faggots and lighting torches so I would be careful of admitting using anything but a pentax. Ciao, Graywolf - Original Message - From: Bill D. Casselberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:10 PM Subject: Re: 67 Brotherhood Bruce wrote: Yeah, I think we are gonna need to broaden the Brotherhood a bit. Include 645 and need to decide if this is a general brotherhood or a Pentax brotherhood. ... and what of us MedFormat-types that are stuck having to use a meager 6x9cm 1950 Voigtlander Bessa II, Yaschica TLR or (sometimes for nostalgic reasons) the old Agfa B2 Speedex which instigated this latest journey into realms photographic about twenty some years ago? ... enquiring minds want to know Bill - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Camera aesthetics.
Had a 'date' with a fellow photographer on Sunday. We were going to take some shots in a planned community about an hour west of here. I knew that she shot Minolta autofocus. As I was preparing my camera gear I was torn. It was either take the two snake-skinned LXs or the two 'normal' LXs (one with slide the other bw) with me. I have had extreme reactions about the snaked cameras. I was not sure how she would take it. I figured I could not go wrong with taking the two 'normal' LXs, and they happen to also be the ones in the best shape of the bunch. One has the FA-1 the other the FA-2. Talk about classy looking. But then again I find just about all my cameras beautiful, just some more than others ;-) So is it vanity that one considers the appearance of their camera gear - to some extent.? But once she really gets to know me, she will see the old beat up LXs and will not care by then :-) Side note - she has seen my photography and has complemented me on it. So I guess I am safe. Just rambling with a few idle moments here at work, Cesar Panama CIty, Florida [demime removed a uuencoded section named winmail.dat which was 58 lines] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Spotmatic Enabled
Christian, I trick shown to me is to remove the base plate and soak it in Coca-Cola. Don't let it sit there forever though. I had to do this with one of my Spotmatics and the cover came out cleanly. It may not take a truckload, but it would sure feel like it... but I do appreciate the offer. Cesar Christian penned: Cesar; I think you need to bring all of them! Yeah, just have the truck unload everything at my door and I'll take care of it for you It looks like I'll be using a hand-held meter with the SPII because that battery cover is determined to stay onI soaked it in liquid wrench and tried every screw driver I have to get the cover off. (I even removed the whole baseplate so I could have a better grip without worrying about the body. Right now the cover is getting badly beat up and I'm afraid I'll never get it off. DAMN! Christian On Tuesday 19 February 2002 13:34, Cesar wrote: Hello Christian, Now you have put me in a quandry. I know I said I would have to bring the snake-skinned LXs with me the next time I go to Baltimore, but now that you have a Spotmatic I am tempted to bring along the S1a and a small collection of screwmount lenses. Maybe the LXs and the Pentak K adapter and screwmount lenses??? Why does Pentax have to have such great compatibilty of lenses throughout the ages? :-) Cesar Matamoros II Panama City, Florida -Original Message- Christian Skofteland [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Well, I did it. I went and bought a Spotamatic. A Spotmatic II to be exact including a Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 55f1.8. I think it will be happy with my LX ;-) and MX. The battery cover is frozen in place so I can't test the meter (but I will get the damn thing off one way or another to install new batteries!) and it shows some obvious signs of wear. It's dirty but I should be able to get it clean. Everything else seems to work fine and the lens is clean. And it was a bargain! Here's a question for the screw heads: What is the SW switch for on the left side of the lens mount? Thanks in advance! Christian - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Cleaning a LX Screen (please brotherhood)
If dishwashing detergent such as Dawn is used, you should note that it usually contains a lot of salt (the regular sodium chloride stuff) as a bulking agent, so the screen and fingers should be thoroughly washed before refitting. As an aside this is also one of the reasons that you might not want to use it for washing your car either. Regards, /\/\ick... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Spotmatic Enabled
Christian, have you tried boiling the bottom cover? Boiling water often releases battery crud... not sure if this is possible, but it was just a passing thought Regards, /\/\ick... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT Movie foibles (Vertical Limit)
I was watching the movie Vertical Limit the other night and saw the funniest the-technical-advisor-should-be-shot error. Chris O'Donnel (our hero) is supposed to be a National Geographic wildlife photographer. They show him sitting in a blind in Pakistan photographing Snow Leopards witha Nikon F5. so far so good. His assistant drops a roll of film (to show how incompetent the locals are I guess, whatever.) and when he picks it up you can clearly see MAX in black on a yellow cartridge. Yeah, a National Geographic wildlife photographer would be using Kodak MAX It made me burst out laughing to the point where my wife had to tell me to get a hold of myself BTW the movie is horrible. Don't waste your time. It's so fiull of cliche and technical errors/impossibilities! If you want to see a good mountain climbing movie see the IMAX film Everest Not only is the acting better, it's true. Also read Into Thin Air by Jon Krakauer. Christian - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT:Travel Tripod question
Has anyone tried the Velbon Maxi 343? I've only read about in Pop Photo, but it sounds to good to be true. I still don't know about a 300mm with no mount, but for anything else. If someone can give me favorable report on one, I'll probably buy one. I think they go for about $80 from BH. Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Nocturnal Photography (was Painting With Light)
This site has been mentioned here in the past, but it's still awesome... http://www.lostamerica.com/lostframe.html Regards, Stephen - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT Movie foibles (Vertical Limit)
On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Christian Skofteland wrote: I was watching the movie Vertical Limit the other night and saw the funniest the-technical-advisor-should-be-shot error. [snip] Yeah, a National Geographic wildlife photographer would be using Kodak MAX It made me burst out laughing to the point where my wife had to tell me to get a hold of myself I doubt if that's a technical advisor error. Sounds like some good old fashioned product placement by Kodak. On a related note, what does everyone hate about Gold Max? We all know it's bad, but why? Say, compared to Royal Gold 400 or Superia 400. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P67 myth
What??? I did not write the rest of that line after ??? Where did it come from? Ciao, Graywolf - Original Message - From: T Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:55 PM Subject: Re: P67 myth ??? will, I suggest you punch him out and quit reading them. I find it great fun, and I am on the opposite side of it. You do know you can skip messages you are not interested in? When everybody starts skipping them the thread dies. Ciao, Graywolf - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: Re: P67 myth Of course ... since there was discussion about size, I thought some figures would be useful. There are people who hike with bigger and heavier view cameras, and I had a friend, many years ago, who would take his 8 x 10 camera out on the streets of San Francisco. Again, as always, it comes down to using the right equipment for the job, and using the equipment that matches your personality and style of shooting. However, all the Brotherhood and enablement nonsense, no matter how good natured, is becoming tiresome, and, to some people, a bit annoying. Paul Stenquist wrote: Camera weight is quantifiable of course, but how that weight affects one's use of the camera is purely subjective. Sunday, I hiked a few miles into LaJolla Canyon, uphill all the way, with a 6x7 and three lenses in a Pelican case, and a tripod tucked under my other arm. The weight of the equipment was not a significant burden. Once I had found my first shot, I left the camera and a 105mm lens on the tripod and carried that assembly over one shoulder, with the Pelican in my other arm. I climbed some fairly significant grades to get a good shot of the canyon. I think I will invest in a Trekker for hiking purposes, which would make it easier yet. That photographer I mentioned in a private message, Gordon Clark, carries three 67IIs and 4 lenses in a Trekker. (Three bodies cuts down on loading time.) He has done 20 miles in African bush country with that rig on his back. I guess it all depends on how bad you want that big negative. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT Movie foibles (Vertical Limit)
Cause it's not Fuji velvia --- Chris Brogden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Christian Skofteland wrote: I was watching the movie Vertical Limit the other night and saw the funniest the-technical-advisor-should-be-shot error. [snip] Yeah, a National Geographic wildlife photographer would be using Kodak MAX It made me burst out laughing to the point where my wife had to tell me to get a hold of myself I doubt if that's a technical advisor error. Sounds like some good old fashioned product placement by Kodak. On a related note, what does everyone hate about Gold Max? We all know it's bad, but why? Say, compared to Royal Gold 400 or Superia 400. chris - __ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: USA vs. Grey Import Med. Format Equip Question/Problem
But they do own the trade mark in the US. Which allows them to restrict the import of Mamiya equipment. Ciao, Graywolf - Original Message - From: Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: Re: USA vs. Grey Import Med. Format Equip Question/Problem But Mamiya America is independent of Mamiya. They're an importer with a license. Their profits prices have nothing to do with prices set anywhere else. Collin -- --- Get over it. Dr. Laura -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Kodak Gold 400 (was: Re: OT Movie foibles (Vertical Limit))
The older versions of Gold Max were too contrasty and oversaturated, and underexposures turned black into a muddy brown. All that has changed with the newest formulation, which says something like 25 percent improved on the box. It's more subtle, it's sharper, contrast has been moderated, and skin tones are truer than ever. I would use it for any occasion calling for 400-speed film. In fact, it's so pro looking it may lack the punch some of us want for overcast days. Chris Brogden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What does everyone hate about Gold Max? We all know it's bad, but why? Say, compared to Royal Gold 400 or Superia 400. Paul Franklin Stregevsky 13 Selby Court Poolesville, Maryland 20837-2410 [EMAIL PROTECTED] H (301) 349-5243 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT Movie foibles (Vertical Limit)
On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 02:18:14PM -0500, Christian Skofteland wrote: I was watching the movie Vertical Limit the other night and saw the funniest the-technical-advisor-should-be-shot error. Chris O'Donnel (our hero) is supposed to be a National Geographic wildlife photographer. They show him sitting in a blind in Pakistan photographing Snow Leopards witha Nikon F5. so far so good. His assistant drops a roll of film (to show how incompetent the locals are I guess, whatever.) and when he picks it up you can clearly see MAX in black on a yellow cartridge. Might have been product placement thing. Makes perfect sense. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Spotmatic Enabled
I'll try it. At this point I'll try anything! Thanks! Christian On Tuesday 19 February 2002 14:18, you wrote: Christian, have you tried boiling the bottom cover? Boiling water often releases battery crud... not sure if this is possible, but it was just a passing thought Regards, /\/\ick... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
PMA Binocs?
So we get digital binocs instead of a DSLR? Argh.. -R - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Spotmatic Enabled
Thanks. It's sitting in a cup of Coke right now! How long did you soak your Baseplate? Christian On Tuesday 19 February 2002 14:09, you wrote: Christian, I trick shown to me is to remove the base plate and soak it in Coca-Cola. Don't let it sit there forever though. I had to do this with one of my Spotmatics and the cover came out cleanly. Cesar - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Enlarger FS
I'm needing to upgrade my enlarger. This one is a good starter, but probably not an appropriate professional unit. DeJur Versatile Professional. 4x5 Comes somewhat complete. It came with no neg carriers so I had to make them myself. They work well, and are included. It also comes with some home-brew lensboards and a 90mm lens to start with. My prints that are out on photocritique.net (Two Artists Lilies) were printed with this enlarger. $100 Collin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Ebay LX Thingie
The only thing I could think of as I was looking at it was that it was to do the same function as the roller that is in that spot in newer LX cameras. That way, as the motor drive is chugging along, it is keeping the film taunt for the takeup spools. Jeff At 02:26 PM 2/19/2002 -0500, you wrote: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:47:38 +0100 From: Peter Smekal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ebay-LX-thingie Well, well ... what could that thingie be: http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1333936328 Peter Smekal Uppsala, Sweden [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Spotmatic Enabled
drill two holes in it and use a spanner wrench to get it off. JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Christian Skofteland Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 1:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Spotmatic Enabled Cesar; I think you need to bring all of them! Yeah, just have the truck unload everything at my door and I'll take care of it for you It looks like I'll be using a hand-held meter with the SPII because that battery cover is determined to stay onI soaked it in liquid wrench and tried every screw driver I have to get the cover off. (I even removed the whole baseplate so I could have a better grip without worrying about the body. Right now the cover is getting badly beat up and I'm afraid I'll never get it off. DAMN! Christian On Tuesday 19 February 2002 13:34, Cesar wrote: Hello Christian, Now you have put me in a quandry. I know I said I would have to bring the snake-skinned LXs with me the next time I go to Baltimore, but now that you have a Spotmatic I am tempted to bring along the S1a and a small collection of screwmount lenses. Maybe the LXs and the Pentak K adapter and screwmount lenses??? Why does Pentax have to have such great compatibilty of lenses throughout the ages? :-) Cesar Matamoros II Panama City, Florida -Original Message- Christian Skofteland [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Well, I did it. I went and bought a Spotamatic. A Spotmatic II to be exact including a Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 55f1.8. I think it will be happy with my LX ;-) and MX. The battery cover is frozen in place so I can't test the meter (but I will get the damn thing off one way or another to install new batteries!) and it shows some obvious signs of wear. It's dirty but I should be able to get it clean. Everything else seems to work fine and the lens is clean. And it was a bargain! Here's a question for the screw heads: What is the SW switch for on the left side of the lens mount? Thanks in advance! Christian - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P67B
On 19 Feb 2002 at 11:53, Chris Brogden wrote: I agree; evangelists and fanatics scare the #%$ out of me. Hence the humourous, tongue-in-cheek tone of the P67B posts. Some 35mm guys have responded in kind (the hernia comment was great, Tom!), When did I become a 35mm guy? If I'm any sort of guy, it'd probably be a b+w guy... tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Now a picture of the Digital Binoc's
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1014154223.html R - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P67B
On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, tom wrote: On 19 Feb 2002 at 11:53, Chris Brogden wrote: I agree; evangelists and fanatics scare the #%$ out of me. Hence the humourous, tongue-in-cheek tone of the P67B posts. Some 35mm guys have responded in kind (the hernia comment was great, Tom!), When did I become a 35mm guy? If I'm any sort of guy, it'd probably be a b+w guy... Sorry, thought you were the other Tom. All you non-P67 guys look the same to me. ;) chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT Movie foibles (Vertical Limit)
On Tuesday, February 19, 2002, at 02:18 PM, Christian Skofteland wrote: They show him sitting in a blind in Pakistan photographing Snow Leopards witha Nikon F5. so far so good. His assistant drops a roll of film (to show how incompetent the locals are I guess, whatever.) and when he picks it up you can clearly see MAX in black on a yellow cartridge. I shouted Oh...my...GOD! in the theatre. Vanessa had to pat my arm to calm me down. Did you notice that everything else was perfect? His tripod was even weighted with sandbags. Seriously, though, did Kodak think that the average moviegoer would not get the Kodak-is-good-film connection if O'Donnell were shooting E200 or Supra or any one of their actual pro films? Instead, they just provide an (additional) unintentional guffaw for those knowledgeable about that kind of thing. I think it was Ebert who said This is the kind of film where the protagonists have to climb up a mountain with nitroglycerine strapped to their backs because it is more dangerous than simply climbing up a mountain. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
