PESO: Changes in Latitudes, Changes in Attitudes

2011-01-19 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
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Re: OT: Speaking of art . . .

2011-01-19 Thread David Mann
On Jan 19, 2011, at 3:00 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 I have an old toaster.
 How many slices of toast would I have to do
 before I produced a 'Holy Image'?
 10^5, 10^6, 10^7,...

I don't think he's done The Last Supper, but...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toast_as_art:_Maurice_Bennett


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Re: OT: Oracle Account - just how stupid can you get?

2011-01-19 Thread David Mann
On Jan 19, 2011, at 7:33 AM, steve harley wrote:

 not to mention that OpenOffice was just a speck in Oracle's recent purchase 
 of Sun, so it's probably still operating much as Sun operated it, on a 
 corporate-backed open source model which often entails onerous bureaucracy 
 wading into the community to get simple things fixed; personally i haven't 
 registered OpenOffice, but i do have an account since i've reported a bug 
 (which has remained open since Sept. 2008)

Oracle are not in my good books right now.  I had an excellent Javascript 
reference bookmarked on the Sun website.  Well, I knew it was inevitable after 
the buyout, but it has now been redirected to an overall documentation index 
which contains no mention of javascript.  Bastards.

Dave
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Re: PESO: Changes in Latitudes, Changes in Attitudes

2011-01-19 Thread Boris Liberman

You're not traveling too fast, do you, Dan? /wink wink/

On 1/19/2011 10:38 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

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Re: Now - about the Pentax Users Gallery... some questions, for you who are in it

2011-01-19 Thread David Mann
On Jan 19, 2011, at 9:47 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

 They're listening to the same corporate lawyers who require electric heaters 
 to have a specific warning label telling you not to use them while you're in 
 the bathtub.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12198709

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Re: Being angry at Boris (wink)

2011-01-19 Thread Thibouille
Yep, Car Museum.
I didn't think there would be really interesting photos to be taken
there and was pleasantly surprised.

2011/1/19 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:
 Well, I still own that lens and used it recently.

 Let me see - it was either the Car Museum in Brussels or just one of these
 wonderful days back in 2008 that we had in Belgium... Or was it one of the
 days when we roamed the city of Brussels where you made the shot of one of
 the cars parked on the streets...

 Cool photo as it is.

 Boris (not being ashamed at all)

 On 1/18/2011 6:18 PM, Thibouille wrote:

 Yep, this man owns a lens, let me use it and it caused this:

 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/home#section=ARTISTsubSection=126685subSubSection=11681436language=EN

 Frankly, Boris, aren't you ashamed of yourself ?

 :) :)

 Mmm love that bokeh :)
 Remember where this was taken Boris?

 Best Regards,


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RE: we had snow the other day

2011-01-19 Thread Bob W
 On 1/19/2011 6:07 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:
  In 1988 or 89, can't remember which, we had a really cold winter. A
  friend's cousin came for a winter visit. He was from Greece. He  I
 were
  walking downtown on a particularly cold day.
 
  At one point he turned to me and said, I can't feel my feet. I can't
  feel my feet. He was clearly distressed.
  They're still there, I said. Keep walking.
 
  Cheers, Christine
 
 Well, Christine, I did have a frost bite of my right arm when I was
 like
 16 years old, may be 15. It wasn't particularly pleasant experience
 though fortunately it was during my school hours and proper help was
 given to me.
 
 Boris

What's a bit of frostbite? You should harden up a bit, mate:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-446399/How-Ranulph-Fiennes-sawed-
fingertips-save-6-000-surgery-bill.html

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Amazon has used K-5s

2011-01-19 Thread Larry Colen
They list two used ones for $1338.  I can't help but be tempted, but also to 
wonder why they have used ones.

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Re: Amazon has used K-5s

2011-01-19 Thread eckinator
I trust amazon in principle but I'd think they were returned for a
reason. Something to do with the blob craze maybe?

2011/1/19 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com:
 They list two used ones for $1338.  I can't help but be tempted, but also to 
 wonder why they have used ones.

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Looking for an enlarger

2011-01-19 Thread Thibouille
Mine really is to much of a crap (better than nothing but still).

So I'm looking for an enlarger capable of 35mm, 6x6 minimum. 6x7 and
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Good optics with it and necessary accessories for those neg sizes
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Something like Durst M6xx or something.

I guess shipping from outside Europe would be huge so Europe only.

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Re: Amazon has used K-5s

2011-01-19 Thread Larry Colen

On Jan 19, 2011, at 2:31 AM, eckinator wrote:

 I trust amazon in principle but I'd think they were returned for a
 reason. Something to do with the blob craze maybe?

That's my guess.  So I'm wondering what the return policy, or Pentax warranty 
is on them.
 

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Re: PESO: Changes in Latitudes, Changes in Attitudes

2011-01-19 Thread Brian Walters
On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 03:38 -0500, Daniel J. Matyola
danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=mainwebtag=djm1963entry=58


Global Warming, perhaps?


Cheers

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Re: Amazon has used K-5s

2011-01-19 Thread eckinator
I'm afraid I wouldn't know - not my domestic market... my best advice
would be to go right to the source and ask the horse...

2011/1/19 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com:

 On Jan 19, 2011, at 2:31 AM, eckinator wrote:

 I trust amazon in principle but I'd think they were returned for a
 reason. Something to do with the blob craze maybe?

 That's my guess.  So I'm wondering what the return policy, or Pentax warranty 
 is on them.


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Re: PESO - Crossing

2011-01-19 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 It is a good photo, but I think you tripped the shutter just a split second
 too late. The tip of the head of the old lady almost touches the round
 corner of the walkway across the street. That's a nitpick, but it is there.

 Yet, I can hardly think of a picture from your street photography, Frank,
 that I could catch myself of disliking.

Almost, but not quite.  Besides, if I'd have pressed a second earlier,
her feet would be touching the arc of the sidewalk below her feet,
rather than being just above it as she is now.

Either way, I can't say I was conscious of these things as I pressed
the shutter release.  I just shot when everything felt right.  As
often as not, I miss the mark, and I don't know if this one's perfect
or not.

I'm glad you liked it, and I'm glad you commented.  Thanks!

cheers,
frank


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Re: PESO we had snow too :)

2011-01-19 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 It was our turn for some decorative snow this morning. It was -20C with
 almost no wind, and about 6-8 of super light'n'fluffy stuff fell. I got
 about 50 shots in the back yard, of which this was one of the best ...
 http://goo.gl/cLnNB

 K20D, DA* 16-50 @ 50mm, f/5.6, 1/250sec, ISO 200, handheld. Minor adj in LR.

 Comments welcome.

That's really pretty, Bruce.  Very delicate.

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Re: PESO - Crossing

2011-01-19 Thread Boris Liberman

On 1/19/2011 1:47 PM, frank theriault wrote:

Almost, but not quite.  Besides, if I'd have pressed a second earlier,
her feet would be touching the arc of the sidewalk below her feet,
rather than being just above it as she is now.


Indeed. That's the trickiest part - to have the timing right.


Either way, I can't say I was conscious of these things as I pressed
the shutter release.  I just shot when everything felt right.  As
often as not, I miss the mark, and I don't know if this one's perfect
or not.


Me neither. And I surely don't shoot in bursts... In fact, I more often 
miss the mark than hit it. Then I get to use the delete functionality 
of my workflow.



I'm glad you liked it, and I'm glad you commented.  Thanks!


I appreciate the fact that you understood my comment exactly right, Frank.

Boris


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Re: PESO: Changes in Latitudes, Changes in Attitudes

2011-01-19 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=mainwebtag=djm1963entry=58

Someone's on vacation...

;-)

Lovely shots, Dan!

cheers,
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Re: peso-sunset

2011-01-19 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Sasha Sobol sa...@asobol.com wrote:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/5365866115/

 It was foggy most of the day - we were near the ocean, could hear it
 but could not see.
 It was very windy and by the end of the day we caught some light.


Lovely.

cheers,
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Re: PESO - Rivers's Dusk Blanket

2011-01-19 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 6:31 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Super shot. Great feel to it

Agreed.

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Re: OT: Speaking of art . . .

2011-01-19 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Stan Halpin
s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 Someone with way too much time on their hands!

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1347834/Da-Vinci-masterpiece-The-Last-Supper-recreated-laundry-fluff.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Now ~that's~ dedication...

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Re: PDML Photo Annual - Week 1 report

2011-01-19 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
snip We're just trying
 to keep out people who sign up at the last minute only for the purpose
 of getting a photo in the book.

There are such people?

;-)

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Re: OT: Speaking of art . . .

2011-01-19 Thread eckinator
2011/1/19 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com:

 Now ~that's~ dedication...

naah. religious art gives from your middle. true believers use bellybutton lint.

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Re: PDML Photo Annual - Week 1 report

2011-01-19 Thread eckinator
2011/1/19 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com:

 Actually, Mark has a Bot than scans all the messages in the archive for the 
 year. If it finds no mention of your Pentax body or lens usage; purchase; a 
 complaint; a repair, you are disqualified from submitting a photo to the 
 annual.

you omitted cormorants and puns, also html barrier fail is prerequisite
ecke =)

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Re: Now - about the Pentax Users Gallery... some questions, , for you who are in it

2011-01-19 Thread eckinator
2011/1/19 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:

 This is the cop flailing around adding ridiculous charges hoping to find
 *something* that will stick in hopes of justifying having stepped on his own
 foreskin.

no idea if that expression is old or markworthy but I'll remember it =)

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Re: Now - about the Pentax Users Gallery... some questions, , for you who are in it

2011-01-19 Thread eckinator
2011/1/19 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:

 Actually, the cops can arrest you just about anywhere in the world (not
 just in the U.S.) simply because you look funny.

true. and detain me for 24 hours before they have to convince a DA
that they have a case. I'm OK with that. Just not with their ludicrous
notions of their own rights and powers.

 Whether they can make the charges stick is another matter.

 This case appears to be still in litigation. At least the civil case against
 the police and the local government is still in litigation. If I understood
 the article, the accused was acquitted of all charges.

right. however, afaik there are similar cases were people were
sentenced or at least incriminating evidence of police misconduct was
suppressed. I'll try and find them for you.

 Although, I don't have a warm and fuzzy feeling for where this incident was
 supposed to have occurred. You got a tech blog of no fixed abode, reporting
 on a story that appeared in a California based news reporting service for
 lawyers (aka Blog) on an incident that occurred where? Possibly in Texas?

no idea. as you know over 100% of the information on the internet is
true. Out of the 280% there is...

 We go through this shit periodically with the cops coming up with some
 clever new ruse for running roughshod over the rights of the accused, but
 when it eventually works its way through the courts, the courts tell them
 whatever new stupidity they've come up with is unconstitutional, and force
 the overturn of all the convictions that have come out of their latest
 idiocy, if any.

yeah and that is what upsets me most. those are the same cops who park
second row in rush hour traffic to buy or even have  lunch but pull me
over and hassle me for forgetting to turn off my fog lamps. the very
same cops who use their blue lights just so they can all run a red
light together in their convoy when there is no emergency whatsoever
and no benefit to be derived from the convoy arriving all at once to
beat up the next batch of demonstrators or blind them with water jets
(just happened here recently). someone has to make them understand
that they are neither /the law/ nor /above it/.

 Often the local government ends up getting sued (as is apparently happening
 in this case) and has to pay compensation to everyone who's been victimized
 by the police bullshit.

 You'd think some smart DA would look at the track record for this kind of
 idiocy and tell the local gendarmerie to back off BEFORE they waste the
 local taxpayer's money again. But they don't.

 Apparently restraining police stupidity BEFORE it costs the city a bunch of
 money is considered to be soft on crime.

oh yeah it is, too. police crime.

sorry to any good cop out there; I help police where I can but too
much happens that is completely inexcusable.
Ecke

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Re: Peso The birthday girl

2011-01-19 Thread Boris Liberman

Ditto!

On 1/17/2011 9:09 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

A great family pic. You should frame a print for grandma.
Paul
On Jan 17, 2011, at 1:55 PM, David J Brooks wrote:


http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/

She's the one on the left. Held a brunch for her 89th on Saturday. Had
to get one shot.

D200, 18-70, pop up flash. LR3 adjust tint and red eye.

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Re: OT: Speaking of art . . .

2011-01-19 Thread Bob Sullivan
Rats,
Just when I had my nitch figured out,
I find somebody else in it!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:38 AM, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote:
 On Jan 19, 2011, at 3:00 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 I have an old toaster.
 How many slices of toast would I have to do
 before I produced a 'Holy Image'?
 10^5, 10^6, 10^7,...

 I don't think he's done The Last Supper, but...

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toast_as_art:_Maurice_Bennett


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Re: GESO: Hockey, the morning after

2011-01-19 Thread Boris Liberman
Well, the last time I saw ice hockey on TV was many years ago in another 
country. But your photos immediately reminded me how violent this sport 
really is. It is that of finesse and of tremendous physical power 
necessary to perform well.


Thanks for sharing!

On 1/16/2011 7:58 PM, Elizabeth Masoner wrote:



Well, part of a gallery anyway.  I took a lot more photos than I realized I
had taken so it will take a while to edit them all...especially since I have
to go to a birds of prey flight show shoot this afternoon.

http://lizmasoner.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/hockey-the-morning-after/

~Liz
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Re: Looking for an enlarger

2011-01-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
The 4x5 capable enlarger I had for years was like this one: Beseler 45 M

http://cgi.ebay.com/Large-Vintage-Beseler-45M-45-M-Enlarger-/350428819179?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item51972f6eeb#ht_4742wt_1141
or
http://tinyurl.com/492b27t

Great enlarger. Handled every format. That's what I'd look for if I
wanted to get back into the darkroom for 4x5 film.

G

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:38 AM, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote:
 Mine really is to much of a crap (better than nothing but still).

 So I'm looking for an enlarger capable of 35mm, 6x6 minimum. 6x7 and
 4x5 as well would be ideal.
 Good optics with it and necessary accessories for those neg sizes
 would be welcome.
 Something like Durst M6xx or something.

 I guess shipping from outside Europe would be huge so Europe only.

 Thank you...
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Re: PESO - Room for One More

2011-01-19 Thread Boris Liberman
Excellent, Frank. Reminded me of some days of my youth. Moscow subway 
could sometime be associated with cans of canned fish.


I wonder if a bit of a platform on the bottom got in the frame and was 
cropped out in post...


On 1/14/2011 1:10 PM, frank theriault wrote:

Another rush hour on the subway shot:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/01/room-for-one-more.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

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Re: PESO - Tribute

2011-01-19 Thread David J Brooks
I thought you might be able to get to that procession.

Great shot. Somber day.

Dave

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 The other day a police officer was run down trying to stop a stolen
 snow plow.  He succumbed to his injuries.

 He was 35 years old.  He left behind a wife and a 1 1/2 year old boy.
 The thief, a homeless person, has been charged with murder.

 His funeral was today.  As is the custom with police officers and
 firefighters, officers came from across North America to say goodbye
 to their comrade:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/01/tribute.html

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Re: PESO- Catching Up

2011-01-19 Thread Boris Liberman
My immediate reaction was that you were taking a shot at film stage 
where some historical movie about early years of V.I. Lenin in London 
were being filmed...




On 1/18/2011 12:11 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Another coffee shop pic:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12320613

I had just a moment to shoot this when someone in front of this guy moved, so I 
just fired away. Turned out to be a 180mm shot at 1/25th. The subject evidently 
moved his right hand a bit. You can see some motion blur there. Pentax shake 
reduction is excellent. Other details: K-5, DA* 60-250/4, f5.6, ISO 1600. Given 
more time, I would have shot this at ISO 6400, f4, which would have yielded, a 
shutter speed of around 1/200th, but I find the sharpness acceptable as 
recorded.

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Re: Looking for an enlarger

2011-01-19 Thread Darren Addy
Any of the Omega D series are professional units that most people find
are less fiddley than the two column Beseler design.
I've got an Omega with a cold light head, and a black Beseler 45 with
Dual Dichro head (color heads are useful for dialing in polycontrast
filter equiv.).
The Omegas were often built-in (secured to a cabinet top) in the
basements of old photography studios. As such, they were often LEFT
BEHIND, when studios went out of business or sold their property. You
might do a little detective work to see if any former locations of
photography studios still have equipment in their basement darkrooms.
You may find the owner of the building happy to have someone haul it
away. (I'm familiar with one such instance in my home town...
population 3500. If it can happen there, I'm sure there are multiple
situations like it possible in a metro area.)


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 The 4x5 capable enlarger I had for years was like this one: Beseler 45 M

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 http://tinyurl.com/492b27t

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 wanted to get back into the darkroom for 4x5 film.

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So 6 photos of mine ready for review on the Pentax gallery

2011-01-19 Thread Ann Sanfedele

I'm gathering that you guys that are in already are among those
voting as to whether I get in the gallery?  


I never thought I'd be doing this at all so forgive me
if this is a topic that has been widely rehashed.

also, guess I can't vote for others myself if I don't yet have at least 
one photo in the Gallery - would seem right.


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PESO: Metrodome/Metrodish interior panorama

2011-01-19 Thread Charles Robinson
Our collapsed Metrodome is far from being fixed/inflated yet.  Looks pretty sad 
from the inside.

This is a zoomify Pano export from Photoshop - I'm pretty sure it's 
flash-based.

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2011/pano/metrodish/metrodish_pano.html

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Re: peso-sunset

2011-01-19 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Sasha Sobol wrote:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/5365866115/

It was foggy most of the day - we were near the ocean, could hear it
but could not see.
It was very windy and by the end of the day we caught some light.

--Sasha

 


Sasha,
That one has a very painterly feel to it, like a 19th century 
painting...  it's nice enough but


while checking out the one above I found this shot , below, which I 
think is very strong...


http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/5368828807/in/photostream/

If you posted that one as a peso before I missed it.  


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Re: So 6 photos of mine ready for review on the Pentax gallery

2011-01-19 Thread Jack Davis
No, last I heard, you don't need to have at least one in the gallery in order 
to vote.
If you choose to put up the 6 images on this list, I'll understand. I'll do my 
best to judge fairly and not let my admiration for you temper my judgment. I'll 
try, at least.

Jack

--- On Wed, 1/19/11, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com
 Subject: So 6 photos of mine ready for review on the Pentax gallery
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 7:45 AM
 I'm gathering that you guys that are
 in already are among those
 voting as to whether I get in the gallery?  
 I never thought I'd be doing this at all so forgive me
 if this is a topic that has been widely rehashed.
 
 also, guess I can't vote for others myself if I don't yet
 have at least one photo in the Gallery - would seem right.
 
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Re: peso-sunset

2011-01-19 Thread Ken Waller

Nice idea but the amount of dark foreground detracts from the layers above.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: Sasha Sobol sa...@asobol.com

Subject: peso-sunset



http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/5365866115/

It was foggy most of the day - we were near the ocean, could hear it
but could not see.
It was very windy and by the end of the day we caught some light.

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Re: So 6 photos of mine ready for review on the Pentax gallery

2011-01-19 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Jack Davis wrote:


No, last I heard, you don't need to have at least one in the gallery in order 
to vote.
If you choose to put up the 6 images on this list, I'll understand. I'll do my 
best to judge fairly and not let my admiration for you temper my judgment. I'll 
try, at least.

Jack


Oh I see --
now that I read it , it is anonymous!  - more better...

ann



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From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com
Subject: So 6 photos of mine ready for review on the Pentax gallery
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 7:45 AM
I'm gathering that you guys that are
in already are among those
voting as to whether I get in the gallery?  
I never thought I'd be doing this at all so forgive me

if this is a topic that has been widely rehashed.

also, guess I can't vote for others myself if I don't yet
have at least one photo in the Gallery - would seem right.

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Re: peso-sunset

2011-01-19 Thread Sasha Sobol
Frank, Annd and Ken - thanks.
Ann, I do like that shot with ship
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/5368828807/in/photostream/).
I have not posted it as peso because I feel I am overloading the group
with my stuff recently.

--Sasha


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 Nice idea but the amount of dark foreground detracts from the layers above.

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

 - Original Message - From: Sasha Sobol sa...@asobol.com
 Subject: peso-sunset


 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/5365866115/

 It was foggy most of the day - we were near the ocean, could hear it
 but could not see.
 It was very windy and by the end of the day we caught some light.

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Re: Model releases

2011-01-19 Thread Cotty
On 18/1/11, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

Quite right. These kind of threads always devolve into non-lawyers
spouting legal opinions with unjustified certainty.

Not to mention the guns, abortion and the holocaust. I'll pop back in
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Re: PESO - Of one mind

2011-01-19 Thread Steven Desjardins
I'm trying to ignore the fact that this photo was taken with the
DA*60-250.   I mean, it's just wonderful IQ, photographic skill aside.
 I like a lens with a little reach, so this one is scary from a
financial perspective..

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Your infatuation with DA* 60-250 is progressing as steadily as your arms
 are, Paul. I especially like the reflections on the bottom of the image,
 they fit most nicely with the rest of it. It is therefore that I commend
 your attention to detail /grin/.

 Boris


 On 1/16/2011 5:23 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

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Pentax Gallery observation - this should be safe from controversy

2011-01-19 Thread Ann Sanfedele

so I started voting...
btw it turned out I'd been in for 4 years... had forgotten I was.

Glad that it is anonymous on all fronts... but after spending about 45 
minutes doing the voting chore
I wondered if the site automatically screened out the voters submissions 
- since I didnt see mine come up...
though I would think that wouldn't happen and there are just s many 
submissions being made.


What I did notice was that out of perhaps 75 images I looked at , only 
two were taken with film cameras and scanned,
and only one was taken with the ist D.  

I was thinking a lot of photogs got the new K-X or the K-5  or 7  under 
the tree and were submitting recent stuff in a

love fest for the new gear.

Anyway, at the moment I'm kind of fascinated.

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Re: PESO: Metrodome/Metrodish interior panorama

2011-01-19 Thread Bob Sullivan
Charles,
It looks like the roof has tiedowns all around.
Those highway department lane separation barriers are spotted around
the floor in pairs.
Are they afraid the roof will blow away?
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote:
 Our collapsed Metrodome is far from being fixed/inflated yet.  Looks pretty 
 sad from the inside.

 This is a zoomify Pano export from Photoshop - I'm pretty sure it's 
 flash-based.

 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2011/pano/metrodish/metrodish_pano.html

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Re: GESO - Chicago White Sox

2011-01-19 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Later reply  - but have to say I didn't at all think you were being 
critical of my observations...


I was just making Chicago joky comments re Cubs vs WSox  and how little 
I pay attention to

baseball these days : -)

ann


Chris Mitchell wrote:


Ann Sanfedele wrote:


actually I hardly looked at the scoreboard shot... I did look up the
game stats later and
saw he was the one talking to Getz in that other shot I liked

however -  in my defense , when I was in Chicago I was a Cubs fan,
later
Mets and Red Sox.
and I really don't know the current players on any of the teams these
days, I confess.

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I didn't mean to be super critical of you observation powers; sorry if it
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Pentax 645D beats out the iPhone at least.

2011-01-19 Thread David J Brooks
http://www.photographyreview.com/qikResults_2617crx.aspx

Hope the link works

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Re: Pentax 645D beats out the iPhone at least.

2011-01-19 Thread David J Brooks
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Re: Pentax Gallery observation - this should be safe from controversy

2011-01-19 Thread David J Brooks
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 so I started voting...


 What I did notice was that out of perhaps 75 images I looked at , only two
 were taken with film cameras and scanned,
 and only one was taken with the ist D.

All 5 of my accepted photos are with the istD IIRC. Four were accepted
very early on, i submitted some more later, when the viewers could
cast votes and my acceptance rate went to near zero.

My heart was broken, so i went out and bought a K10D

Dave

Dave
 I was thinking a lot of photogs got the new K-X or the K-5  or 7  under the
 tree and were submitting recent stuff in a
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Re: Pentax Gallery observation - this should be safe from controversy

2011-01-19 Thread Jack Davis
Your wonderment is right, you don't get the chance to vote on your own stuff. 
None of us do. ;)

Jack

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 From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com
 Subject: Pentax Gallery observation - this should be safe from controversy
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 10:31 AM
 so I started voting...
 btw it turned out I'd been in for 4 years... had
 forgotten I was.
 
 Glad that it is anonymous on all fronts... but after
 spending about 45 minutes doing the voting chore
 I wondered if the site automatically screened out the
 voters submissions - since I didnt see mine come up...
 though I would think that wouldn't happen and there are
 just s many submissions being made.
 
 What I did notice was that out of perhaps 75 images I
 looked at , only two were taken with film cameras and
 scanned,
 and only one was taken with the ist D.  
 I was thinking a lot of photogs got the new K-X or the
 K-5  or 7  under the tree and were submitting
 recent stuff in a
 love fest for the new gear.
 
 Anyway, at the moment I'm kind of fascinated.
 
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Re: PDML Photo Annual - Week 1 report

2011-01-19 Thread David J Brooks
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:39 AM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote:

 On Jan 17, 2011, at 15:26 , David J Brooks wrote:

 On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
 William Robb wrote:

 Technically, I wasn't a subscribed member of the PDML on Dec 31, can I
 still submit a picture for the book with a hope to getting it included?


 You bet. You were on The List for most of the year. We're just trying
 to keep out people who sign up at the last minute only for the purpose
 of getting a photo in the book.

 Like nikon shooters.

 Dave

 Actually, Mark has a Bot than scans all the messages in the archive for the 
 year. If it finds no mention of your Pentax body or lens usage; purchase; a 
 complaint; a repair, you are disqualified from submitting a photo to the 
 annual.

Thats fine, i complain about fictional cameras to.:-)

Dave

 :-)

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Re: PESO - Moored

2011-01-19 Thread David J Brooks
Nice line work and conversion

dave

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RE: PESO - Tribute

2011-01-19 Thread John Sessoms

From: frank theriault

The other day a police officer was run down trying to stop a stolen
snow plow.  He succumbed to his injuries.

He was 35 years old.  He left behind a wife and a 1 1/2 year old boy.
The thief, a homeless person, has been charged with murder.

His funeral was today.  As is the custom with police officers and
firefighters, officers came from across North America to say goodbye
to their comrade:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/01/tribute.html

Comments welcome.


The other side of the debate about how the police interact with the public.

Being a police officer is not an easy or a safe job. It's a profession 
with one of the highest on-the-job mortality rates. And they're all too 
frequently young, with young families left behind.


This is a very moving photo Frank.


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Re: Pentax 645D beats out the iPhone at least.

2011-01-19 Thread AlunFoto
So,
Everyone do their civil duty, folks! :-)
Jostein

2011/1/19 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com:
 On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:53 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://www.photographyreview.com/qikResults_2617crx.aspx

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Re: Pentax 645D beats out the iPhone at least.

2011-01-19 Thread P. J. Alling
Well, I surprised that large a percentage of the general public even 
know what a 645D is.


Looks like there are a total 0f 111 votes, if everyone on the list goes 
and votes we can really take the Pentax up a few notches.


On 1/19/2011 1:53 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

http://www.photographyreview.com/qikResults_2617crx.aspx

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Re: Pentax 645D beats out the iPhone at least.

2011-01-19 Thread steve harley

On 2011-01-19 12:48 , P. J. Alling wrote:

Looks like there are a total 0f 111 votes, if everyone on the list goes
and votes we can really take the Pentax up a few notches.


to that end a direct link to the question-asking aspect of the poll:

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Re: PAW54 - Tram window

2011-01-19 Thread John Sessoms

From: Ann Sanfedele

John Sessoms wrote:

 From: DagT


 Thanks John and all the rest! I have been looking at this kind of
 reflections before, but now I was on a trip with my oldest and his
 reflection worked all right. I didn?t tell him how to sit, just told
 him what I was doing and showed him the pictures. DagT
 http://www.thrane.name Den 16. jan. 2011 kl. 22.24 skrev John
 Sessoms:


 From: DagT


 http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html



 ... snip

 It sounds like you had an idea for an image with a reflection before
 anything else, and when an opportunity presented itself, you framed
 the photo to capture the image to realize your idea.

 Those are always the best photos where the idea precedes the image.


I like Dags photo a lot... but I sure disagree with your  last line
here   unless the preceding  thought is just a couple of seconds.
I think the best photographs ( read: what I like best and the ones to
which I most aspire)  are most often those where the photographer
sees something and shoots something  capturing a fleeting moment , a
certain slant of light.  Too much planning and plotting can result in a
technical tour de force but with no heart.

ann


It can, but it doesn't have to.

How much planning and plotting is too much? Should the photographer 
never make any image that he/she has thought about in advance? Can those 
images never have heart?


The way I read Dag's explanation, he had an idea; he had been looking 
at this kind of reflections before.


He didn't set out on a journey to intentionally create a specific image 
from that idea and nothing else. He was traveling with his son when he 
saw something that reminded him of his idea that inspired him to create 
*this* image.


I think if the idea that precedes the image is heart felt, the image 
itself will be heart felt as well. Technical excellence in bringing the 
idea to fruition does not preclude an image with heart.


I say those photos where the idea precedes the image are the best 
because the advance thought gives you a better chance of recognizing 
when you have found a moment with heart. And that means you're better 
prepared to capture that moment if/when it ever arrives.


Shall we agree to disagree?


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Re: PAW54 - Tram window

2011-01-19 Thread DagT

DagT
http://www.thrane.name



Den 19. jan. 2011 kl. 21.07 skrev John Sessoms:

 From: Ann Sanfedele
 John Sessoms wrote:
  From: DagT
 
  Thanks John and all the rest! I have been looking at this kind of
  reflections before, but now I was on a trip with my oldest and his
  reflection worked all right. I didn?t tell him how to sit, just told
  him what I was doing and showed him the pictures. DagT
  http://www.thrane.name Den 16. jan. 2011 kl. 22.24 skrev John
  Sessoms:
 
  From: DagT
 
  http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
 
  ... snip
 
  It sounds like you had an idea for an image with a reflection before
  anything else, and when an opportunity presented itself, you framed
  the photo to capture the image to realize your idea.
 
  Those are always the best photos where the idea precedes the image.
 
 I like Dags photo a lot... but I sure disagree with your  last line
 here   unless the preceding  thought is just a couple of seconds.
 I think the best photographs ( read: what I like best and the ones to
 which I most aspire)  are most often those where the photographer
 sees something and shoots something  capturing a fleeting moment , a
 certain slant of light.  Too much planning and plotting can result in a
 technical tour de force but with no heart.
 
 ann
 
 It can, but it doesn't have to.
 
 How much planning and plotting is too much? Should the photographer never 
 make any image that he/she has thought about in advance? Can those images 
 never have heart?
 
 The way I read Dag's explanation, he had an idea; he had been looking at 
 this kind of reflections before.
 
 He didn't set out on a journey to intentionally create a specific image from 
 that idea and nothing else. He was traveling with his son when he saw 
 something that reminded him of his idea that inspired him to create *this* 
 image.
 
 I think if the idea that precedes the image is heart felt, the image itself 
 will be heart felt as well. Technical excellence in bringing the idea to 
 fruition does not preclude an image with heart.
 
 I say those photos where the idea precedes the image are the best because 
 the advance thought gives you a better chance of recognizing when you have 
 found a moment with heart. And that means you're better prepared to capture 
 that moment if/when it ever arrives.
 
 Shall we agree to disagree?

Actually, I´m not sure if you really disagree, but you are right John.  :-)

I think we all have seen photographs or images we like and would love to copy, 
or at least make something similar. Some times you suddenly recognize it and 
take that picture, something similar to the picture you remember.

At least, that is how it often works for me. I´ve got lots of latent images in 
my head and sometimes I see a situation that fit to one of them.  I never 
arrange the situation myself, partially because I´m lazy and partially because 
I like the surprises that sometimes add something good to the picture.  You 
could say I am preparing for unplanned pictures :-)

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Re: PDML posters that never were

2011-01-19 Thread Miserere
On 18 January 2011 13:27, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
 I've been brushing up on my Photoshop skills in preparation for the
 upcoming semester by creating some promotional posters for PDML books
 of the past and the exhibit in Chicago from last year. These were
 designed to be 16 x 20 size prints, but were obviously never produced.

 Book promo:
 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/poster1.jpg
 Created from 2 of Ralf's photos from the first book.

 Book promo:
 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/poster2.jpg
 Created from two of my photos (neither of which was in the book, but
 what the heck...)

 Exhibit promo:
 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/poster3.jpg
 Created from Luka's shot and one of Larry's photos in the 2010 book.

 Enjoy :)


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Model releases/commerical use/etc

2011-01-19 Thread Elizabeth Masoner

Ok, I give up, I can¹t stay out of the conversation (I don¹t have anymore
wall space that would like good with a fist punched through it).  If I wait
longer to email again I won¹t be polite so I¹ll email now while I still have
some reasonable control over my language.

Just read this ­ it goes into the when/why/how more succinctly than anything
any of us have typed so far.
http://www.andrewkantor.com/useful/Legal-Rights-of-Photographers.pdf

With regards to commercial usage

Commercial Rights
Commercial rights can be a very murky term when corporate lawyers get
involved.  However, a general explanation would be that commercial means any
endeavor designed to create income or use by a commercial entity.  Some
examples would include: a sales brochure, magazine, advertisement, or
billboard.

Non-Commercial Rights
Non-commercial rights would be items that are not designed to create
significant income or use by individuals or other non-corporate type groups.
Things such as church bulletins, or someone printing an image to put on
their school binder would be non-commercial usage.



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Re: OT: Speaking of art . . .

2011-01-19 Thread eckinator
2011/1/19 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com:

 Rats,
 Just when I had my nitch figured out,
 I find somebody else in it!
 Regards,  Bob S.

sounds like you have a sonofabitch nitch snitch in your inner circle...

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Re: Now - about the Pentax Users Gallery... some questions,, for you who are in it

2011-01-19 Thread John Sessoms

From: Boris Liberman

On 1/19/2011 1:04 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

 You do not need a model release OR a property release for non-commercial
 use of any photograph taken in or from a public place.

 Non-commercial use means you are not using the photograph to sell a
 product - you can sell copies of the image, you can sell prints, you can
 publish the image on the internet, you can sell the image to a newspaper
 or magazine, you can sell the image to a publisher to include in a book.

 There are some limitations for trademarked materials, e.g. the HOLLYWOOD
 sign, or that pine tree out on some golf course.

The rest I snipped. Thanks for the detailed explanation, John. I am
saving your message in my Save folder of valuable messages...

Boris


I appreciate that, but keep two things in mind:

1. What I wrote is applicable in the United States. I understand the law 
may be different in other countries.


Particularly, I understand France has changed their laws within the last 
few years and the rules there regarding photography in public places are 
now very different from those in the U.S.


If you go to France, be circumspect ... I intend to if I ever get there.

2. I do my best to have my facts straight, but the two photographer's 
rights PDF files I linked to are better references than my rant.


What I wrote is how I live, but I may not be the best example to follow.

It's a character flaw, but I am just not able to back down from a bully. 
Cannot, will not!


I realize there may be consequences I won't like from being inflexible 
that way. I'll just have to suffer them. There may be times when I 
probably should back down, but I won't.


It's an age old quandary ...

Q: How do you know what to do in any given situation?
A: You have to have good judgment.

Q: How do you learn good judgment?
A: You get it from experience.

Q: How do you get experience?
A: Bad judgment.

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Re: OT: Speaking of art . . .

2011-01-19 Thread Darren Addy
The DailyMail link that should be most interesting to PDML is:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348572/Birds-captured-1-8000th-second-amateur-British-wildlife-photographer.html
or
http://tinyurl.com/5sk79n4

My Z-1p goes to 1/8000th.

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Re: Model releases/commerical use/etc

2011-01-19 Thread eckinator
relax. many people = many opinions.what's the big whoop?
cheers
ecke

2011/1/19 Elizabeth Masoner lizmaso...@bellsouth.net:

 Ok, I give up, I can¹t stay out of the conversation (I don¹t have anymore
 wall space that would like good with a fist punched through it).  If I wait
 longer to email again I won¹t be polite so I¹ll email now while I still have
 some reasonable control over my language.

 Just read this ­ it goes into the when/why/how more succinctly than anything
 any of us have typed so far.
 http://www.andrewkantor.com/useful/Legal-Rights-of-Photographers.pdf

 With regards to commercial usage

 Commercial Rights
 Commercial rights can be a very murky term when corporate lawyers get
 involved.  However, a general explanation would be that commercial means any
 endeavor designed to create income or use by a commercial entity.  Some
 examples would include: a sales brochure, magazine, advertisement, or
 billboard.

 Non-Commercial Rights
 Non-commercial rights would be items that are not designed to create
 significant income or use by individuals or other non-corporate type groups.
 Things such as church bulletins, or someone printing an image to put on
 their school binder would be non-commercial usage.



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Re: OT: Speaking of art . . .

2011-01-19 Thread Darren Addy
The caption at the bottom of the article calls him Rot instead of Roy.
They clearly need some copy editors at the Daily Mail.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 The DailyMail link that should be most interesting to PDML is:
 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348572/Birds-captured-1-8000th-second-amateur-British-wildlife-photographer.html
 or
 http://tinyurl.com/5sk79n4

 My Z-1p goes to 1/8000th.


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Re: The PUG is Hungry....

2011-01-19 Thread John Sessoms

From: Brian Walters

On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:08 -0500, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm
 wrote:

  the PUG needs to be fed!
 
  February theme: Life's Simple Pleasures.


 Does cheeze wiz count



I had to Google it to find out what it is.

According to Wikipedia, it's a bright orange, viscous paste.  I'm not
sure if it actually contains any cheese, but if it's one of your simple
pleasures in life, who am I to judge.  After all, I like Vegemite on
toast for breakfast




That's basically it. Cheez Whiz bears the same relationship to dairy 
products as Vegemite does to vegetables.



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Re: The PUG is Hungry....

2011-01-19 Thread eckinator
2011/1/19 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:

 [...] same relationship to dairy
 products as Vegemite does to vegetables.

is it made from mites then?

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Re: Amazon has used K-5s

2011-01-19 Thread Jim King

eckinator wrote on Wed, 19 Jan 2011 02:58:04 -0800

 I'm afraid I wouldn't know - not my domestic market... my best advice
 would be to go right to the source and ask the horse...

Just be sure that you are talking to the right end of the horse...

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Re: Model releases/commerical use/etc

2011-01-19 Thread Bruce Walker

Explanation:  http://xkcd.com/386/


On 11-01-19 3:48 PM, eckinator wrote:

relax. many people = many opinions.what's the big whoop?
cheers
ecke

2011/1/19 Elizabeth Masonerlizmaso...@bellsouth.net:

Ok, I give up, I can¹t stay out of the conversation (I don¹t have anymore
wall space that would like good with a fist punched through it).  If I wait
longer to email again I won¹t be polite so I¹ll email now while I still have
some reasonable control over my language.

Just read this ­ it goes into the when/why/how more succinctly than anything
any of us have typed so far.
http://www.andrewkantor.com/useful/Legal-Rights-of-Photographers.pdf

With regards to commercial usage

Commercial Rights
Commercial rights can be a very murky term when corporate lawyers get
involved.  However, a general explanation would be that commercial means any
endeavor designed to create income or use by a commercial entity.  Some
examples would include: a sales brochure, magazine, advertisement, or
billboard.

Non-Commercial Rights
Non-commercial rights would be items that are not designed to create
significant income or use by individuals or other non-corporate type groups.
Things such as church bulletins, or someone printing an image to put on
their school binder would be non-commercial usage.



~Liz




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Re: Model releases/commerical use/etc

2011-01-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
Well, if she's right every newspaper in the country and most of the magazines 
are in big trouble.
Go put your fist through a wall.

On Jan 19, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Elizabeth Masoner wrote:

 
 Ok, I give up, I can’t stay out of the conversation (I don’t have anymore
 wall space that would like good with a fist punched through it).  If I wait
 longer to email again I won’t be polite so I’ll email now while I still have
 some reasonable control over my language.
 
 Just read this – it goes into the when/why/how more succinctly than anything
 any of us have typed so far.
 http://www.andrewkantor.com/useful/Legal-Rights-of-Photographers.pdf
 
 With regards to commercial usage
 
 Commercial Rights
 Commercial rights can be a very murky term when corporate lawyers get
 involved.  However, a general explanation would be that commercial means any
 endeavor designed to create income or use by a commercial entity.  Some
 examples would include: a sales brochure, magazine, advertisement, or
 billboard.
 
 Non-Commercial Rights
 Non-commercial rights would be items that are not designed to create
 significant income or use by individuals or other non-corporate type groups.
 Things such as church bulletins, or someone printing an image to put on
 their school binder would be non-commercial usage.
 
 
 
 ~Liz
 
 
 
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Re: we had snow the other day

2011-01-19 Thread Miserere
On 18 January 2011 23:07, Christine  Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote:
 In 1988 or 89, can't remember which, we had a really cold winter.  A
 friend's cousin came for a winter visit.  He was from Greece.  He  I were
 walking downtown on a particularly cold day.

   At one point he turned to me and said, I can't feel my feet.  I can't
 feel my feet.  He was clearly distressed.
   They're still there,  I said.  Keep walking.

 Cheers, Christine

That's a funny story, Christine. I can't feel my feet right now, and
I'm at home! Gotta save on heating costs, you know?

Those Greeks... Gave us Democracy and then lay down on their laurels.
Got soft in the meantime, too.


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Re: Pentax 645D beats out the iPhone at least.

2011-01-19 Thread Steven Desjardins
We're catching up.  Actually, the 645D has made a number of camera of
the year lists.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:58 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
 On 2011-01-19 12:48 , P. J. Alling wrote:

 Looks like there are a total 0f 111 votes, if everyone on the list goes
 and votes we can really take the Pentax up a few notches.

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Re: OT: Speaking of art . . .

2011-01-19 Thread P. J. Alling

All of the images look a bit over sharpened.

On 1/19/2011 3:48 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

The DailyMail link that should be most interesting to PDML is:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348572/Birds-captured-1-8000th-second-amateur-British-wildlife-photographer.html
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Re: Model releases/commerical use/etc

2011-01-19 Thread Elizabeth Masoner
For the 50 billionth time Paul.  In EVERYTHING I've said I have NEVER said
newspapers fall under this.


On 1/19/11 3:02 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 Well, if she's right every newspaper in the country and most of the magazines
 are in big trouble.
 Go put your fist through a wall.
 
 On Jan 19, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Elizabeth Masoner wrote:
 
 
 Ok, I give up, I can¹t stay out of the conversation (I don¹t have anymore
 wall space that would like good with a fist punched through it).  If I wait
 longer to email again I won¹t be polite so I¹ll email now while I still have
 some reasonable control over my language.
 
 Just read this ­ it goes into the when/why/how more succinctly than anything
 any of us have typed so far.
 http://www.andrewkantor.com/useful/Legal-Rights-of-Photographers.pdf
 
 With regards to commercial usage
 
 Commercial Rights
 Commercial rights can be a very murky term when corporate lawyers get
 involved.  However, a general explanation would be that commercial means any
 endeavor designed to create income or use by a commercial entity.  Some
 examples would include: a sales brochure, magazine, advertisement, or
 billboard.
 
 Non-Commercial Rights
 Non-commercial rights would be items that are not designed to create
 significant income or use by individuals or other non-corporate type groups.
 Things such as church bulletins, or someone printing an image to put on
 their school binder would be non-commercial usage.
 
 
 
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Re: Model releases/commerical use/etc

2011-01-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
Don't mean to be rude, but we debate many issues here, most far more 
contentiously than this. But like most of our debates, this one invites a 
variety of opinions, each with an element of truth. No need to get upset 
because others don't agree with you. 

All newspapers and mags are intended to generate income. The corporate lawyers 
may not like that, but that's the way it is. And so far, most get by without 
model releases.

Don't put your fist through the wall. You'll need it to type:-).

Paul


On Jan 19, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Elizabeth Masoner wrote:

 
 Ok, I give up, I can’t stay out of the conversation (I don’t have anymore
 wall space that would like good with a fist punched through it).  If I wait
 longer to email again I won’t be polite so I’ll email now while I still have
 some reasonable control over my language.
 
 Just read this – it goes into the when/why/how more succinctly than anything
 any of us have typed so far.
 http://www.andrewkantor.com/useful/Legal-Rights-of-Photographers.pdf
 
 With regards to commercial usage
 
 Commercial Rights
 Commercial rights can be a very murky term when corporate lawyers get
 involved.  However, a general explanation would be that commercial means any
 endeavor designed to create income or use by a commercial entity.  Some
 examples would include: a sales brochure, magazine, advertisement, or
 billboard.
 
 Non-Commercial Rights
 Non-commercial rights would be items that are not designed to create
 significant income or use by individuals or other non-corporate type groups.
 Things such as church bulletins, or someone printing an image to put on
 their school binder would be non-commercial usage.
 
 
 
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Re: The PUG is Hungry....

2011-01-19 Thread Ken Waller


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- Original Message - 
From: eckinator eckina...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: The PUG is Hungry



2011/1/19 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:


[...] same relationship to dairy
products as Vegemite does to vegetables.


is it made from mites then?


Yep, mites that don't eat meat.



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Re: Model releases/commerical use/etc

2011-01-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
But according to the copy you entered below, any endeavor designed to create 
income, newspapers would be subject to this requirement as well.

I shoot more for magazines than newspapers. I haven't had to secure model 
releases for those pubs either. It just doesn't happen very often in the real 
world.

Paul


On Jan 19, 2011, at 4:04 PM, Elizabeth Masoner wrote:

 For the 50 billionth time Paul.  In EVERYTHING I've said I have NEVER said
 newspapers fall under this.
 
 
 On 1/19/11 3:02 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Well, if she's right every newspaper in the country and most of the magazines
 are in big trouble.
 Go put your fist through a wall.
 
 On Jan 19, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Elizabeth Masoner wrote:
 
 
 Ok, I give up, I can’t stay out of the conversation (I don’t have anymore
 wall space that would like good with a fist punched through it).  If I wait
 longer to email again I won’t be polite so I’ll email now while I still have
 some reasonable control over my language.
 
 Just read this – it goes into the when/why/how more succinctly than anything
 any of us have typed so far.
 http://www.andrewkantor.com/useful/Legal-Rights-of-Photographers.pdf
 
 With regards to commercial usage
 
 Commercial Rights
 Commercial rights can be a very murky term when corporate lawyers get
 involved.  However, a general explanation would be that commercial means any
 endeavor designed to create income or use by a commercial entity.  Some
 examples would include: a sales brochure, magazine, advertisement, or
 billboard.
 
 Non-Commercial Rights
 Non-commercial rights would be items that are not designed to create
 significant income or use by individuals or other non-corporate type groups.
 Things such as church bulletins, or someone printing an image to put on
 their school binder would be non-commercial usage.
 
 
 
 ~Liz
 
 
 
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Re: Pentax 645D beats out the iPhone at least.

2011-01-19 Thread Peter Jordan
My one vote got it up to tied first. Cmon, we can beat those Nikonistas


On 19 Jan 2011, at 19:58, steve harley wrote:

 On 2011-01-19 12:48 , P. J. Alling wrote:
 Looks like there are a total 0f 111 votes, if everyone on the list goes
 and votes we can really take the Pentax up a few notches.
 
 to that end a direct link to the question-asking aspect of the poll:
 
 http://www.photographyreview.com/qikVote_2617crx.aspx
 
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Re: Now - about the Pentax Users Gallery... some questions, ,, for you who are in it

2011-01-19 Thread John Sessoms

From: eckinator

2011/1/19 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:


 Actually, the cops can arrest you just about anywhere in the world (not
 just in the U.S.) simply because you look funny.

true. and detain me for 24 hours before they have to convince a DA
that they have a case. I'm OK with that. Just not with their ludicrous
notions of their own rights and powers.


 Whether they can make the charges stick is another matter.

 This case appears to be still in litigation. At least the civil case against
 the police and the local government is still in litigation. If I understood
 the article, the accused was acquitted of all charges.

right. however, afaik there are similar cases were people were
sentenced or at least incriminating evidence of police misconduct was
suppressed. I'll try and find them for you.



Keep in mind a conviction is not necessarily the final disposition of 
such a case.


Often when the accused is convicted at the lowest level of the court 
where the charges are first heard, he/she has to appeal the conviction 
and it is over-turned in a higher level court.



 Although, I don't have a warm and fuzzy feeling for where this incident was
 supposed to have occurred. You got a tech blog of no fixed abode, reporting
 on a story that appeared in a California based news reporting service for
 lawyers (aka Blog) on an incident that occurred where? Possibly in Texas?

no idea. as you know over 100% of the information on the internet is
true. Out of the 280% there is...



You do know, don't you, that 63% of all statistics quoted on the 
internet are made up on the spot?



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Re: PESO: Metrodome/Metrodish interior panorama

2011-01-19 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jan 19, 2011, at 12:42, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Charles,
 It looks like the roof has tiedowns all around.
 Those highway department lane separation barriers are spotted around
 the floor in pairs.
 Are they afraid the roof will blow away?

My guess is that they don't want wind and/or interior pressure variations to 
cause to to flap up and down.

 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote:
 Our collapsed Metrodome is far from being fixed/inflated yet.  Looks pretty 
 sad from the inside.
 
 This is a zoomify Pano export from Photoshop - I'm pretty sure it's 
 flash-based.
 
 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2011/pano/metrodish/metrodish_pano.html
 
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Re: Pentax 645D beats out the iPhone at least.

2011-01-19 Thread Darren Addy
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Peter Jordan pjp...@btinternet.com wrote:
 My one vote got it up to tied first. Cmon, we can beat those Nikonistas

Rather pointless when the poll Expires: 2012-01-04.
Can't WAIT to see what the 2010 Camera of the Year is when the poll
closes in 2012!
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Re: Model releases/commerical use/etc

2011-01-19 Thread steve harley

On 2011-01-19 13:40 , Elizabeth Masoner wrote:

Just read this =AD it goes into the when/why/how more succinctly than anything

any of us have typed so far.

http://www.andrewkantor.com/useful/Legal-Rights-of-Photographers.pdf


interesting and valuable, but not at all succinct



With regards to commercial usage

Commercial Rights
Commercial rights can be a very murky term when corporate lawyers get
involved.  However, a general explanation would be that commercial means any
endeavor designed to create income or use by a commercial entity.  Some
examples would include: a sales brochure, magazine, advertisement, or
billboard.

Non-Commercial Rights
Non-commercial rights would be items that are not designed to create
significant income or use by individuals or other non-corporate type groups.
Things such as church bulletins, or someone printing an image to put on
their school binder would be non-commercial usage.


the two paragraphs above do not appear in the source you linked; i think 
the PDF from Andrew Kantor puts a much finer touch on it


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Re: PESO: Metrodome/Metrodish interior panorama

2011-01-19 Thread Bob Sullivan
Charles,
It's an interesting picture with lots of detail.
That stadium is responsible for a lot of change in (US) pro football.
After the Vikings team had a lot of success in it, the other cold
weather cities took notice.
The slow, sure footed players of the northern cities outdoor stadiums were
replaced by lighter, faster players better suited to the indoors.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote:
 On Jan 19, 2011, at 12:42, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Charles,
 It looks like the roof has tiedowns all around.
 Those highway department lane separation barriers are spotted around
 the floor in pairs.
 Are they afraid the roof will blow away?

 My guess is that they don't want wind and/or interior pressure variations to 
 cause to to flap up and down.

 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote:
 Our collapsed Metrodome is far from being fixed/inflated yet.  Looks pretty 
 sad from the inside.

 This is a zoomify Pano export from Photoshop - I'm pretty sure it's 
 flash-based.

 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2011/pano/metrodish/metrodish_pano.html

  -Charles

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Re: Now - about the Pentax Users Gallery... some questions, ,, for you who are in it

2011-01-19 Thread eckinator
2011/1/19 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:

 Keep in mind a conviction is not necessarily the final disposition of such a
 case.

 Often when the accused is convicted at the lowest level of the court where
 the charges are first heard, he/she has to appeal the conviction and it is
 over-turned in a higher level court.

well aware of that but my perception is that in a jury court - imo a
flawed system - your wallet determines your odds. are appeals also
heard by a jury? And that someone who goes to jail for photographing
J. Random Flatfoot and who may suffer some degree of damage in there
while waiting for their appeal to be heard probably would have rather
not suffered that damage to begin with

 no idea. as you know over 100% of the information on the internet is
 true. Out of the 280% there is...

 You do know, don't you, that 63% of all statistics quoted on the internet
 are made up on the spot?

ok if I turn your statement on itself there is a 37% chance that it is
accurate meaning there is a 13.69% chance that my statement is
accurate meaning for any given bit of information on the internet the
chance of accuracy is 4.889% - sounds about right I'd say - what do
you think?

cheers
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Re: Pentax 645D beats out the iPhone at least.

2011-01-19 Thread P. J. Alling
Oh come on, where's your sense of,. hum, obnoxiousness.  Maybe if we 
vote it camera of the year /today/ other less informed voters will look 
it up and decide we're right.


On 1/19/2011 4:22 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Peter Jordanpjp...@btinternet.com  wrote:

My one vote got it up to tied first. Cmon, we can beat those Nikonistas

Rather pointless when the poll Expires: 2012-01-04.
Can't WAIT to see what the 2010 Camera of the Year is when the poll
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Re: Pentax 645D beats out the iPhone at least.

2011-01-19 Thread eckinator
2011/1/19 Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com:

 Rather pointless when the poll Expires: 2012-01-04.
 Can't WAIT to see what the 2010 Camera of the Year is when the poll
 closes in 2012!

I bet their backup server runs Retrospect...

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Re: Model releases/commerical use/etc

2011-01-19 Thread Elizabeth Masoner
And as I've said repeatedly (hence the frustration as you are either
extremely dense or deliberately dodging those sentences just so you can
argue more), the courts have made numerous exceptions for newspapers.
Newspapers, not magazines.  News stories fall under parts of the fair use
clauses and unless newspapers run afoul of civil suits due to defamation of
character they are basically exempt from model releases.




On 1/19/11 3:08 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 But according to the copy you entered below, any endeavor designed to create
 income, newspapers would be subject to this requirement as well.
 
 I shoot more for magazines than newspapers. I haven't had to secure model
 releases for those pubs either. It just doesn't happen very often in the real
 world.
 
 Paul
 
 
 On Jan 19, 2011, at 4:04 PM, Elizabeth Masoner wrote:
 
 For the 50 billionth time Paul.  In EVERYTHING I've said I have NEVER said
 newspapers fall under this.
 
 
 On 1/19/11 3:02 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Well, if she's right every newspaper in the country and most of the
 magazines
 are in big trouble.
 Go put your fist through a wall.
 
 On Jan 19, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Elizabeth Masoner wrote:
 
 
 Ok, I give up, I can¹t stay out of the conversation (I don¹t have anymore
 wall space that would like good with a fist punched through it).  If I wait
 longer to email again I won¹t be polite so I¹ll email now while I still
 have
 some reasonable control over my language.
 
 Just read this ­ it goes into the when/why/how more succinctly than
 anything
 any of us have typed so far.
 http://www.andrewkantor.com/useful/Legal-Rights-of-Photographers.pdf
 
 With regards to commercial usage
 
 Commercial Rights
 Commercial rights can be a very murky term when corporate lawyers get
 involved.  However, a general explanation would be that commercial means
 any
 endeavor designed to create income or use by a commercial entity.  Some
 examples would include: a sales brochure, magazine, advertisement, or
 billboard.
 
 Non-Commercial Rights
 Non-commercial rights would be items that are not designed to create
 significant income or use by individuals or other non-corporate type
 groups.
 Things such as church bulletins, or someone printing an image to put on
 their school binder would be non-commercial usage.
 
 
 
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Re: PESO: Metrodome/Metrodish interior panorama

2011-01-19 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jan 19, 2011, at 15:24, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Charles,
 It's an interesting picture with lots of detail.
 That stadium is responsible for a lot of change in (US) pro football.
 After the Vikings team had a lot of success in it, the other cold
 weather cities took notice.
 The slow, sure footed players of the northern cities outdoor stadiums were
 replaced by lighter, faster players better suited to the indoors.

I'm still looking forward to the first MN Twins Baseball game with SNOW.  Now 
that we have them outdoors and out from under the teflon roof!


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PESO: Salt

2011-01-19 Thread Charles Robinson
Driving in Minnesota in the wintertime means you have to put up with a lot of 
crap trying very hard to destroy your car.

This is my first shot with my new 35mm f/2.4 lens.  Seems like a nice 
(lightweight!) performer so far.

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2011/IMGP7522.jpg


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Re: OT: Speaking of art . . .

2011-01-19 Thread Bruce Walker

On 11-01-19 3:48 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

The DailyMail link that should be most interesting to PDML is:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348572/Birds-captured-1-8000th-second-amateur-British-wildlife-photographer.html
or
http://tinyurl.com/5sk79n4

My Z-1p goes to 1/8000th.


This article comment is truly the awesomest:

nothing special,anybody can take these pictures if they can afford to 
buy an expensive camera and trypod

- WAYNE, CORBY



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Re: Model releases/commerical use/etc

2011-01-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
You really don't have to resort to insults. This isn't a big deal. But as I 
said, I shoot for magazines as well, and I don't have to provide releases. Some 
are Sunday supplement magazines that are published by newspapers, but others 
are newsstand/subscription automotive buff books. 

In any case, I'm finished. Don't want you to hurt yourself over this.
Paul


On Jan 19, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Elizabeth Masoner wrote:

 And as I've said repeatedly (hence the frustration as you are either
 extremely dense or deliberately dodging those sentences just so you can
 argue more), the courts have made numerous exceptions for newspapers.
 Newspapers, not magazines.  News stories fall under parts of the fair use
 clauses and unless newspapers run afoul of civil suits due to defamation of
 character they are basically exempt from model releases.
 
 
 
 
 On 1/19/11 3:08 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 But according to the copy you entered below, any endeavor designed to create
 income, newspapers would be subject to this requirement as well.
 
 I shoot more for magazines than newspapers. I haven't had to secure model
 releases for those pubs either. It just doesn't happen very often in the real
 world.
 
 Paul
 
 
 On Jan 19, 2011, at 4:04 PM, Elizabeth Masoner wrote:
 
 For the 50 billionth time Paul.  In EVERYTHING I've said I have NEVER said
 newspapers fall under this.
 
 
 On 1/19/11 3:02 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Well, if she's right every newspaper in the country and most of the
 magazines
 are in big trouble.
 Go put your fist through a wall.
 
 On Jan 19, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Elizabeth Masoner wrote:
 
 
 Ok, I give up, I can’t stay out of the conversation (I don’t have anymore
 wall space that would like good with a fist punched through it).  If I 
 wait
 longer to email again I won’t be polite so I’ll email now while I still
 have
 some reasonable control over my language.
 
 Just read this – it goes into the when/why/how more succinctly than
 anything
 any of us have typed so far.
 http://www.andrewkantor.com/useful/Legal-Rights-of-Photographers.pdf
 
 With regards to commercial usage
 
 Commercial Rights
 Commercial rights can be a very murky term when corporate lawyers get
 involved.  However, a general explanation would be that commercial means
 any
 endeavor designed to create income or use by a commercial entity.  Some
 examples would include: a sales brochure, magazine, advertisement, or
 billboard.
 
 Non-Commercial Rights
 Non-commercial rights would be items that are not designed to create
 significant income or use by individuals or other non-corporate type
 groups.
 Things such as church bulletins, or someone printing an image to put on
 their school binder would be non-commercial usage.
 
 
 
 ~Liz
 
 
 
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Re: Model releases/commerical use/etc

2011-01-19 Thread P. J. Alling

That's the disagreement,l they aren't exceptions they're the rule.

On 1/19/2011 4:31 PM, Elizabeth Masoner wrote:

And as I've said repeatedly (hence the frustration as you are either
extremely dense or deliberately dodging those sentences just so you can
argue more), the courts have made numerous exceptions for newspapers.
Newspapers, not magazines.  News stories fall under parts of the fair use
clauses and unless newspapers run afoul of civil suits due to defamation of
character they are basically exempt from model releases.




On 1/19/11 3:08 PM, Paul Stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net  wrote:


But according to the copy you entered below, any endeavor designed to create
income, newspapers would be subject to this requirement as well.

I shoot more for magazines than newspapers. I haven't had to secure model
releases for those pubs either. It just doesn't happen very often in the real
world.

Paul


On Jan 19, 2011, at 4:04 PM, Elizabeth Masoner wrote:


For the 50 billionth time Paul.  In EVERYTHING I've said I have NEVER said
newspapers fall under this.


On 1/19/11 3:02 PM, Paul Stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net  wrote:


Well, if she's right every newspaper in the country and most of the
magazines
are in big trouble.
Go put your fist through a wall.

On Jan 19, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Elizabeth Masoner wrote:


Ok, I give up, I can¹t stay out of the conversation (I don¹t have anymore
wall space that would like good with a fist punched through it).  If I wait
longer to email again I won¹t be polite so I¹ll email now while I still
have
some reasonable control over my language.

Just read this ­ it goes into the when/why/how more succinctly than
anything
any of us have typed so far.
http://www.andrewkantor.com/useful/Legal-Rights-of-Photographers.pdf

With regards to commercial usage

Commercial Rights
Commercial rights can be a very murky term when corporate lawyers get
involved.  However, a general explanation would be that commercial means
any
endeavor designed to create income or use by a commercial entity.  Some
examples would include: a sales brochure, magazine, advertisement, or
billboard.

Non-Commercial Rights
Non-commercial rights would be items that are not designed to create
significant income or use by individuals or other non-corporate type
groups.
Things such as church bulletins, or someone printing an image to put on
their school binder would be non-commercial usage.



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Re: Amazon has used K-5s

2011-01-19 Thread eckinator
2011/1/19 Jim King jamesk8...@mac.com:

 Just be sure that you are talking to the right end of the horse...

you mean find someone there who actually /knows/ and has the authority
to /say/? c'mon, get real... ]=)

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Re: tiny geso (or inflated peso?)

2011-01-19 Thread Richard D Bush

Sasha,

You better like your new camerawith that lens, you're shooting  
about $2,300 worth of new, nice gear!


I have a K5 on order right now. (This is my first major step up since  
buying a K10D at the end of 1007.) I ordered it with the weather  
sealed version of the 18-55 and the extra grip. I'm hoping the order  
will be filled before I take a trip to D.C. on the last day of  
January. I'll be romping around D.C. with wife and my son for about 10  
days.


We'll be staying with my son who lives in Alexandriaone totally  
hip town.


RB

On Jan 18, 2011, at 7:13 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

Sasha,

I surely like the first image. That of a landscape. Very nice tonal  
gradations and colors.


I am not certain about the last one where a person is walking down a  
path. They are in the middle and although their direction of travel is  
evident, it does not cause immediate response as it is still in the  
middle. I might prefer that person to be somewhat to the left and  
somewhat towards the low part of the frame.


The portrait of a girl looking sideways leaves me indifferent.

Sasha, I cannot help but notice that the top right corner of your  
images has five round spots. I sincerely hope it is not dreaded sensor  
stains but if it is dust, you better de-dust it.


Boris


On 1/16/2011 8:09 AM, Sasha Sobol wrote:

I like this new camera:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/5359087128/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/5358737541/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/5358755119/

Be honest and brutal,

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Re: Amazon has used K-5s

2011-01-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
Probably returns that Pentax repaired.
Paul

On Jan 19, 2011, at 5:22 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

 They list two used ones for $1338.  I can't help but be tempted, but also to 
 wonder why they have used ones.
 
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Re: PESO: Salt

2011-01-19 Thread Richard D Bush

Get that car to a car wash post haste.

RB

On Jan 19, 2011, at 2:34 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

Driving in Minnesota in the wintertime means you have to put up with a  
lot of crap trying very hard to destroy your car.


This is my first shot with my new 35mm f/2.4 lens.  Seems like a nice  
(lightweight!) performer so far.


http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2011/IMGP7522.jpg


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Re: PESO: Salt

2011-01-19 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jan 19, 2011, at 16:39, Richard D Bush wrote:

 Get that car to a car wash post haste.
 

Not worth it, yet!  Each commute to/from work covers it in the same white coat.

As long as it stays cold (should be down to -20F by this weekend) the salt 
doesn't do much.  It's when things start to thaw that the reactions really 
start.
 
 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2011/IMGP7522.jpg

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Re: Pentax 645D beats out the iPhone at least.

2011-01-19 Thread John Sessoms

From: steve harley

On 2011-01-19 12:48 , P. J. Alling wrote:

 Looks like there are a total 0f 111 votes, if everyone on the list goes
 and votes we can really take the Pentax up a few notches.

to that end a direct link to the question-asking aspect of the poll:

http://www.photographyreview.com/qikVote_2617crx.aspx



Looks like Chicago style election rules apply.  8-D

So, not only should you vote early, you should vote often.


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Re: OT: Speaking of art . . .

2011-01-19 Thread John Sessoms

From: Darren Addy

The DailyMail link that should be most interesting to PDML is:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348572/Birds-captured-1-8000th-second-amateur-British-wildlife-photographer.html
or
http://tinyurl.com/5sk79n4

My Z-1p goes to 1/8000th.


How good can it be if there ain't no cormorants?


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Re: Pentax 645D beats out the iPhone at least.

2011-01-19 Thread Darren Addy
Yeah. Appears to be cookie-based, not IP based.
You can vote from each of your installed web browsers. If you don't
accept cookies, you can probably vote all day long.

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Re: Model releases/commerical use/etc

2011-01-19 Thread John Sessoms

I find myself in agreement with Paul?

Probably means it's time for me to butt out of this conversation. 8-D

From: Paul Stenquist

Well, if she's right every newspaper in the country and most of the
magazines are in big trouble. Go put your fist through a wall.

On Jan 19, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Elizabeth Masoner wrote:



Ok, I give up, I can?t stay out of the conversation (I don?t have
anymore wall space that would like good with a fist punched
through it).  If I wait longer to email again I won?t be polite
so I?ll email now while I still have some reasonable control over
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