Re: *ist and the lens mount
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:45:13 -0500 According to Pentax, it's to prevent bonehead consumers (they didn't actually use the word bonehead but that's my poetic license!) from accidentally moving the lens off the A setting and taking all their photos at f/22, with half-second exposure times. Indeed very poetic. :-) It is logical, but somehow... Hm. Well, Just wait and see then. Apparently this is a real problem that costs Pentax dealers and service departments a lot of time (ie, money) because of cameras brought in for warranty repair when there's nothing wrong with them. Perhaps the user manuals could be made clearer :-) Best wishes, Roland _ Skaffa fler messengerkontakter - Vinn 10.000 i resecheckar! http://messenger.msn.se/promo
Re: *ist and the lens mount
Roland Mabo said: From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:45:13 -0500 According to Pentax, it's to prevent bonehead consumers (they didn't actually use the word bonehead but that's my poetic license!) from accidentally moving the lens off the A setting and taking all their photos at f/22, with half-second exposure times. Indeed very poetic. :-) It is logical, but somehow... Hm. Well, Just wait and see then. Apparently this is a real problem that costs Pentax dealers and service departments a lot of time (ie, money) because of cameras brought in for warranty repair when there's nothing wrong with them. Perhaps the user manuals could be made clearer :-) You think they'd read the user manuals? Perhaps the camera should give a verbal warning when the ring is moved from the A position, and give instructions on changing it back.
Re: *ist and the lens mount
Well, a little power-point presentation (or Freelance graphics) running on the LCD-panel at the back would probably do the trick. :-) Best wishes, Roland From: Gregory L. Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:19:49 -0500 (EST) You think they'd read the user manuals? Perhaps the camera should give a verbal warning when the ring is moved from the A position, and give instructions on changing it back. _ Skaffa fler messengerkontakter - Vinn 10.000 i resecheckar! http://messenger.msn.se/promo
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I might even consider the American model if it yelled out, Hey, Stoopid! With custom functions for loud and louder. Lend it to in-laws so they can take good pictures at music recitals. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps the camera should give a verbal warning when the ring is moved from the A position, and give instructions on changing it back.
Re: *ist and the lens mount
On Friday, Mar 14, 2003, at 06:07 US/Pacific, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently this is a real problem that costs Pentax dealers and service departments a lot of time (ie, money) because of cameras brought in for warranty repair when there's nothing wrong with them. Perhaps the user manuals could be made clearer :-) Whether or not that would help is very debatable, however. I used to work in computer support, and mark my word, the ability for users to ignore instructions (even instructions stated multiple times) knows no bound. Seriously, this is probably a big point in favor of the C and M-- strategy of completely burning bridges to older lens technologies. (And as someone who bought a Pentax because of their commitment to lens compatibility, it pains me to say that. If only it were the case that fools themselves were the only ones hurt by their folly.) -- David Barts Portland, OR
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I thought that was a GM/Ford thing... Do you know which Japanese cars talked? I remember Door is Ajar, but I thought that was in some big boat of a car. R Peter Alling wrote: Sound's like the Japanese attempt to sell talking cars in the US. We didn't take to them.
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GM was just following Toyota's lead. Around 1980 maybe. At 12:37 AM 3/14/2003 -0600, you wrote: I thought that was a GM/Ford thing... Do you know which Japanese cars talked? I remember Door is Ajar, but I thought that was in some big boat of a car. R Peter Alling wrote: Sound's like the Japanese attempt to sell talking cars in the US. We didn't take to them. Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
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French cars has talked for a long time. They always seems something to talk about you know. :-) I believe that the Peugeot 505 Turbo in the early 80's were one of the first. Best wishes, Roland From: Ryan K. Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 00:37:04 -0600 I thought that was a GM/Ford thing... Do you know which Japanese cars talked? I remember Door is Ajar, but I thought that was in some big boat of a car. _ Skaffa fler messengerkontakter - Vinn 10.000 i resecheckar! http://messenger.msn.se/promo
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Bruce wrote: You used to say that entry level was where Pentax made most of their money. Did this change because Pentax may not be competing in the segment. REPLY: I didn't say entry level. I said bottom of the barrel. All MZ-series Pentaxes are entry level except the MZ-S. All MZ-series cameras (-MZ-S) are basically the same camera sold at various price points. Theres nothing new in this; the Pentax Spotmatic 500 was a Spotmatic where the shutterspeed dial only went to 1/500s. It is quite obvious that the Spotmatic proper was more profitable as it sold to a higher price. Pål
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Our 87 Maxima did. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that was a GM/Ford thing... Do you know which Japanese cars talked?
Re: *ist and the lens mount.
Price is the definition of segment. Everything else is marketspeak and double talk. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...the same camera sold at various price points.
Re: *ist and the lens mount
On 03.3.14 1:37 AM, Ryan K. Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that was a GM/Ford thing... Do you know which Japanese cars talked? I remember Door is Ajar, but I thought that was in some big boat of a car. From 1986 for about 5 years, I was driving 300ZX Turbo (Nissan), and it was a tlking car. Yes, it did say door is ajar (I thought it also said which door), fuel level is low and a few other things which I do not remember any more (oh yes, parking brake is on and probably something to do with the seatbelts), all in a soft young lady's voice. After a while, it started sounding as if I was scolded by a fussy wife or something and getting a little annoying. Also, the instrument panel was a star wars or video arcade game thing with strange histogram-like vertical bar graph, which occupied most of the front instrument panel, indicating the manifold pressure (I thought it was) which goes up and down constantly. Other indications such as tachometer and speedometer are all digital, and again busy changing constantly. Those days are gone Since then, I came to hate digital indications which are not quite intuitive :-). Cheers, Ken
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KT wrote... Also, the instrument panel was a star wars or video arcade game thing with strange histogram-like vertical bar graph, which occupied most of the front instrument panel, indicating the manifold pressure (I thought it was) which goes up and down constantly. Other indications such as tachometer and speedometer are all digital, and again busy changing constantly. Those days are gone Not really. Suzuki Liana and Citroën Picasso still uses digital star-wars panels... And the new Citroën C3 too, but it's much better than in the good old days. Larger and clearer. (anyone remembering Toyota Celica and Audi Quattro Coupé? and Opel Kadett Gsi... But the most video-arcadestigue of them all was Subaru, I believe) Best wishes, Roland _ Skaffa fler messengerkontakter - Vinn 10.000 i resecheckar! http://messenger.msn.se/promo
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:16:03 -0500 From: KT Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 03.3.14 1:37 AM, Ryan K. Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that was a GM/Ford thing... Do you know which Japanese cars talked? I remember Door is Ajar, but I thought that was in some big boat of a car. I don't know abou5t the car, but I do remember a friend in the 80's who had a camera called the Minolta Talker. I can't remember everything it said, but I do remember than when there was not enough light it would say, in a very hisky oriental ladies voice, Tooo Daaak, we would sit, listen, and laugh about that for hourswe were easily entertained. Jerry in Houston
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- Original Message - From: Jerry in Houston Subject: Re: *ist and the lens mount I don't know abou5t the car, but I do remember a friend in the 80's who had a camera called the Minolta Talker. I can't remember everything it said, but I do remember than when there was not enough light it would say, in a very hisky oriental ladies voice, Tooo Daaak, we would sit, listen, and laugh about that for hourswe were easily entertained. If you set the language switch in just the right position, too dahk! became something like imee teo woe tuh moo inji We had a lot of fun breaking in new sales people with that one. William Robb
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If it didn't it should! At 05:51 PM 3/14/2003 +, you wrote: Roland Mabo wrote: French cars has talked for a long time. They always seems something to talk about you know. :-) I believe that the Peugeot 505 Turbo in the early 80's were one of the first. Yes, I remember. I think the Peugeot said, Fix me, I've blown my head gasket again. g Paul Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
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Did you get the munchies a lot as well? That might explain the easily amused part... :) At 03:41 PM 3/14/2003 -0800, you wrote: Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:16:03 -0500 From: KT Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 03.3.14 1:37 AM, Ryan K. Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that was a GM/Ford thing... Do you know which Japanese cars talked? I remember Door is Ajar, but I thought that was in some big boat of a car. I don't know abou5t the car, but I do remember a friend in the 80's who had a camera called the Minolta Talker. I can't remember everything it said, but I do remember than when there was not enough light it would say, in a very hisky oriental ladies voice, Tooo Daaak, we would sit, listen, and laugh about that for hourswe were easily entertained. Jerry in Houston Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: *ist and the lens mount
Pål wrote... This is pretty much what I have been suggesting for awhile now. I know. I didn't believed you at first, but since all Pentax distributores - except Pentax U.S - tells the same story, then I'm starting to believe you more and more. :-) Anyway, the *ist D was initially made with the same crippled mount but as I have said a few days ago, Pentax is apparently working on modifications and the *ist D design isn't finalized yet. So theres still hope for the digital version. All distributors tells the same story here - compatible with KAF2, KAF, KA and K-mount with 645 and screwmount adapters. Interestingly (if I'm not reading too much into it), the data file says the *ist uses Kaf mount but is compatible wth both Kaf2 and Kaf mount. This opens for that the *ist may have Kaf3 mount. Now you're reading too much into it. :-) Pentax U.S uses a similar line in the specs for the ZX-L (MZ-6). Usable lenses: PENTAX KAF2-, KAF-, KA- and K-mount lenses. (Autofocus possible with KA- and K-mount lenses using AF adapter). I believe that the *ist can *use* K-mount lenses. It can meter with them (but only with the lenses set at the widest aperture) and it can fire the shutter. So, K-mount lenses are *usable*, just as the press release says, but not as usable as KAF2, KAF and KA-mount lenses. Best wishes, Roland _ Skaffa fler messengerkontakter - Vinn 10.000 i resecheckar! http://messenger.msn.se/promo
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Bill Owens wrote... According to what I consider a reliable source, NO ONE at Pentax USA knows, or has heard anything about, a KAF3 mount. I'm not surprised. They usually doesn't know a thing before the product is ready to be released. Pentax Japan is famous for having the tightest lips in history, and they are very bad at releasing information to their distributors. Best wishes, Roland _ Skaffa fler messengerkontakter - Vinn 10.000 i resecheckar! http://messenger.msn.se/promo
Re: *ist and the lens mount
Hello gang, I wrote yesterday that I've asked Pentax Scandinavia about the lens compatibility on the *ist. I've just found out that I probably won't get any answer this week, because they're out of the office. They're at the CeBIT show in Germany until this friday. Best wishes, Roland _ Skaffa fler messengerkontakter - Vinn 10.000 i resecheckar! http://messenger.msn.se/promo
Re: *ist and the lens mount.
Roland wrote: The MZ-50 was Pentax first attemp in the low end SLR field, and this was actually a Dynax 303 competitor with manual features! I'm happy that Pentax leaves the absolute low-end SLR field and begins a little step higher. REPLY: I believe you're right. I don't think the bottom of the barrel market is profitable. It only sells on price, possible at the expense of more profitable products; products where the user will add profitable acessories like lenses and equipmnet. This segment is probably an expensive way of buying marketshare but with little brand loyality and spin-off. Besides, I think the *ist in due course will approach a $200 price effectively competing with the utter entry level. Pål
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Mark wrote: MZ-S *ist ZX-L (MZ-6) ZX-60 (MZ-60) Any new cameras introduced will be in addition to these. REPLY: But this is in total contradiction to the signal made by both the Pentax boss and Pentax UK. They want to reduce the number of models (Pentax UK says three and that seems sensible) and want to increase the sales volume of each model. They won't achieve this by adding *ist modesl to the current line-up. Besides, the *ist is so featured that it cannot happily coexist with any current Pentax slr body more than hinting at a revolution of the Pentax slr line-up. Also, A Pentax rep would never say that a camera is on its way out until the warehouses are empty. Pentax need to sell the cameras they have in stock now. Spreading rumors that something better will replace them soon is a sure way to strangle sales. Pål
Re: *ist and the lens mount.
Bill wrote: According to what I consider a reliable source, NO ONE at Pentax USA knows, or has heard anything about, a KAF3 mount. REPLY: Well, A Pentax source I know says the FA J lenses uses a totally new protocol for apertrure control. Whether this is KAF3 or not is another matter. Pål
Re: *ist and the lens mount.
From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:54:03 +0100 Well, A Pentax source I know says the FA J lenses uses a totally new protocol for apertrure control. Whether this is KAF3 or not is another matter. If Pentax are moving towards a more electronic lens mount, then the accessories and special lenses needs to be replaced with new ones. I'm thinking about the teleconverters, extension tubes, the heliocod lens, the bellows, the shift lens, the soft focus lenses Some of those has lived since the -70's (I believe the shift lens is a M-lens...). I would welcome Pentax exension tubes with electronic aperture coupling, and autofocus teleconverters. Best wishes, Roland _ Skaffa fler messengerkontakter - Vinn 10.000 i resecheckar! http://messenger.msn.se/promo
RE: *ist and the lens mount
Lets see what we have; *ist lens description, multi country, this way or that. *ist D lens description Some duff pictures of a lens mount And we may have KAF3or we may have a mount, give me that grey steed, what a ride... My source says it is but my source says it doesn't Does that really matter Is there life after death? Give me a * Ziggy
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Hi, So *ist works well with M lens? How do you like the camera?Have you tried AF etc? Alek Uytkownik Roland Mabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Then they are not compatible. Pentax has always meant compatible to allow you make use of a lens turning a lens into a fixed aperture makes it relatively useless since you have lost half your control over the lens, not to mention issues of sharpness, etc. Pentax has never said that the *ist is compatible. They have talked about usable lenses. It\'s still possible to use K-mount lenses... For example, I have a M 28 f/2.8. I want to use it on the *ist, because of the lovely character the M 28 has. Now, I set the lens at f/2.8 and the *ist displays a shutter speed of 1/125. But I don\'t want to use it at f/2.8, I want more depth-of-field. I want to use it at f/8, so I set it to f/8 - and the lens stops down (instant depth-of-field) and I set the shutter to 1/15 so I get a correct exposure. Now I fire the shutter. Best wishes, Roland _ Skaffa fler messengerkontakter - Vinn 10.000 i resecheckar! http://messenger.msn.se/promo
Re: *ist and the lens mount
On March 13, 2003 11:38 am, Roland Mabo wrote: For example, I have a M 28 f/2.8. I want to use it on the *ist, because of the lovely character the M 28 has. Now, I set the lens at f/2.8 and the *ist displays a shutter speed of 1/125. But I don't want to use it at f/2.8, I want more depth-of-field. I want to use it at f/8, so I set it to f/8 - and the lens stops down (instant depth-of-field) and I set the shutter to 1/15 so I get a correct exposure. Now I fire the shutter. If the lens stops down then won't the meter give you the right shutter speed? If it stops down it'll see the lack of light and adjust. Nick
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Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill wrote: According to what I consider a reliable source, NO ONE at Pentax USA knows, or has heard anything about, a KAF3 mount. REPLY: Well, A Pentax source I know says the FA J lenses uses a totally new protocol for apertrure control. Whether this is KAF3 or not is another matter. Hmm. It'll be interesting to see what happens when they package them with the MZ-60, as they are planning to do. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark wrote: MZ-S *ist ZX-L (MZ-6) ZX-60 (MZ-60) Any new cameras introduced will be in addition to these. REPLY: But this is in total contradiction to the signal made by both the Pentax boss and Pentax UK. They want to reduce the number of models (Pentax UK says three and that seems sensible) and want to increase the sales volume of each model. They won't achieve this by adding *ist modesl to the current line-up. Besides, the *ist is so featured that it cannot happily coexist with any current Pentax slr body more than hinting at a revolution of the Pentax slr line-up. Also, A Pentax rep would never say that a camera is on its way out until the warehouses are empty. Ahem. Did you notice any cameras currently for sale that are *absent* from the above list? Yes. Wonder why? The cameras I listed are the ones Pentax has confirmed will remain in production for two more years. The current models that *aren't* on that list...well, draw your own conclusions. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Hi Roland, Roland Mabo wrote: For example, I have a M 28 f/2.8. I want to use it on the *ist, because of the lovely character the M 28 has. Now, I set the lens at f/2.8 and the *ist displays a shutter speed of 1/125. But I don't want to use it at f/2.8, I want more depth-of-field. I want to use it at f/8, so I set it to f/8 - and the lens stops down (instant depth-of-field) and I set the shutter to 1/15 so I get a correct exposure. Now I fire the shutter. I do not think that this is correct. The lens will stay open even if you select f/8, but the camera will not know this so it will meter as if the lens is set to f/2.8. So you need to manually override the 1/125 with 1/15. Cheers, Boz
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Well I've almost arrived. A PDML heretic. I'm honored. :) At 11:33 AM 3/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: Why don't we wait and see what is actually going to be supported before jumping to conclusions. What, actually wait and see something instead of complaining about it sight unseen? That's heresy on this list! Bill Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
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If you're good with that it's fine with me. If I were going to do that I'd get an SMC Takumar 28mm f2.8. At 05:38 PM 3/13/2003 +0100, you wrote: Then they are not compatible. Pentax has always meant compatible to allow you make use of a lens turning a lens into a fixed aperture makes it relatively useless since you have lost half your control over the lens, not to mention issues of sharpness, etc. Pentax has never said that the *ist is compatible. They have talked about usable lenses. It's still possible to use K-mount lenses... For example, I have a M 28 f/2.8. I want to use it on the *ist, because of the lovely character the M 28 has. Now, I set the lens at f/2.8 and the *ist displays a shutter speed of 1/125. But I don't want to use it at f/2.8, I want more depth-of-field. I want to use it at f/8, so I set it to f/8 - and the lens stops down (instant depth-of-field) and I set the shutter to 1/15 so I get a correct exposure. Now I fire the shutter. Best wishes, Roland _ Skaffa fler messengerkontakter - Vinn 10.000 i resecheckar! http://messenger.msn.se/promo Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, [iso-8859-1] Pål Jensen wrote: MZ-S *ist ZX-L (MZ-6) ZX-60 (MZ-60) But this is in total contradiction to the signal made by both the Pentax boss and Pentax UK. How so? I thought it was mentioned that Pentax wanted to reduce the number of film SLRs to 3 models. Mark listed 4; so it very close. And I believe *ist would eventually replace ZX-L as well as the price comes down. -- --Lawrence Kwan--SMS Info Service/Ringtone Convertor--PGP:finger/www-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vex.net/~lawrence/ -Key ID:0x6D23F3C4--
*ist and the lens mount.
Hi gang, According to Pentax Germany and the press information PDF (http://www.pentax.de/pentaxeurope/pentaxeurope_prod/pentaxeurope/v2/de/photo/newsArea/news/PENTAXistA/prod.html), the *ist is only compatible with KAF2 (no power zoom), KAF and KA. Not K-mount. This means that the *ist has the same compatibility as MZ-60/30/50. It lacks a mechanical coupling of aperture. But it can take photos with K-mount lenses (if programmed from a Pentax Function), but it can't meter with them. This information was released March the 3rd and seems to be the latest, so I believe this information is quite reliable. In a sense, this is a logical move since the *ist is entry level (replaces the MZ-60, MZ-7 and MZ-6). I believe that the two more upmarket models (the replacement for the MZ-3/5n and the MZ-S) will feature KAF3 with full backwards compatibility. Best wishes, Roland _ Skaffa fler messengerkontakter - Vinn 10.000 i resecheckar! http://messenger.msn.se/promo
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Just saw a typo - the information about the *ist was posted on the German website at the 7th of March. That's last friday. From: Roland Mabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: *ist and the lens mount. Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:09:19 +0100 Hi gang, According to Pentax Germany and the press information PDF (http://www.pentax.de/pentaxeurope/pentaxeurope_prod/pentaxeurope/v2/de/photo/newsArea/news/PENTAXistA/prod.html), the *ist is only compatible with KAF2 (no power zoom), KAF and KA. Not K-mount. This means that the *ist has the same compatibility as MZ-60/30/50. It lacks a mechanical coupling of aperture. But it can take photos with K-mount lenses (if programmed from a Pentax Function), but it can't meter with them. This information was released March the 3rd and seems to be the latest, so I believe this information is quite reliable. In a sense, this is a logical move since the *ist is entry level (replaces the MZ-60, MZ-7 and MZ-6). I believe that the two more upmarket models (the replacement for the MZ-3/5n and the MZ-S) will feature KAF3 with full backwards compatibility. Best wishes, Roland _ Skaffa fler messengerkontakter - Vinn 10.000 i resecheckar! http://messenger.msn.se/promo
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I can see the page and have seen it before but I can see no such information. Arnold Roland Mabo schrieb: Hi gang, According to Pentax Germany and the press information PDF (http://www.pentax.de/pentaxeurope/pentaxeurope_prod/pentaxeurope/v2/de/photo/newsArea/news/PENTAXistA/prod.html), the *ist is only compatible with KAF2 (no power zoom), KAF and KA. Not K-mount. This means that the *ist has the same compatibility as MZ-60/30/50. It lacks a mechanical coupling of aperture. But it can take photos with K-mount lenses (if programmed from a Pentax Function), but it can't meter with them. This information was released March the 3rd and seems to be the latest, so I believe this information is quite reliable. In a sense, this is a logical move since the *ist is entry level (replaces the MZ-60, MZ-7 and MZ-6). I believe that the two more upmarket models (the replacement for the MZ-3/5n and the MZ-S) will feature KAF3 with full backwards compatibility. Best wishes, Roland _ Skaffa fler messengerkontakter - Vinn 10.000 i resecheckar! http://messenger.msn.se/promo
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Hi Arnold, I saw it. It is in the PDF-File. So the *ist is not compatible with K- and M-lenses. Hopefully the *ist D is! Best regards, Hans. --- Arnold Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can see the page and have seen it before but I can see no such information. Arnold Roland Mabo schrieb: Hi gang, According to Pentax Germany and the press information PDF (http://www.pentax.de/pentaxeurope/pentaxeurope_prod/pentaxeurope/v2/de/photo/newsArea/news/PENTAXistA/prod.html), the *ist is only compatible with KAF2 (no power zoom), KAF and KA. Not K-mount. This means that the *ist has the same compatibility as MZ-60/30/50. It lacks a mechanical coupling of aperture. But it can take photos with K-mount lenses (if programmed from a Pentax Function), but it can't meter with them. This information was released March the 3rd and seems to be the latest, so I believe this information is quite reliable. In a sense, this is a logical move since the *ist is entry level (replaces the MZ-60, MZ-7 and MZ-6). I believe that the two more upmarket models (the replacement for the MZ-3/5n and the MZ-S) will feature KAF3 with full backwards compatibility. Best wishes, Roland _ Skaffa fler messengerkontakter - Vinn 10.000 i resecheckar! http://messenger.msn.se/promo _ 23a mail _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag
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In the PDF for the *ist D it says compatible with K-, KA-, KAF- and KAF2 lenses. Ziggy Hi Arnold, I saw it. It is in the PDF-File. So the *ist is not compatible with K- and M-lenses. Hopefully the *ist D is! Best regards, Hans. --- Arnold Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can see the page and have seen it before but I can see no such information. Arnold
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On March 12, 2003 09:45 am, Hans Imglueck wrote: Hi Arnold, I saw it. It is in the PDF-File. So the *ist is not compatible with K- and M-lenses. Hopefully the *ist D is! Pentax USA claims otherwise: Usable lenses - Pentax KAF2-(power zoom not available), KAF-, KA- and K-mount lenses (Autofocus possible with KA- and K-mount lenses using AF adapter) http://www.pentax.com/news/news_display.cfm?pressid=149 Nick
Re: *ist and the lens mount.
It seems to me that I should believe Boz's speculations more than what Pentax officially writes. Still I will check the *ist IN REALITY in a few days Arnold Hans Imglueck schrieb: Hi Arnold, I saw it. It is in the PDF-File. So the *ist is not compatible with K- and M-lenses. Hopefully the *ist D is! Best regards, Hans. --- Arnold Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can see the page and have seen it before but I can see no such information. Arnold Roland Mabo schrieb: Hi gang, According to Pentax Germany and the press information PDF (http://www.pentax.de/pentaxeurope/pentaxeurope_prod/pentaxeurope/v2/de/photo/newsArea/news/PENTAXistA/prod.html), the *ist is only compatible with KAF2 (no power zoom), KAF and KA. Not K-mount. This means that the *ist has the same compatibility as MZ-60/30/50. It lacks a mechanical coupling of aperture. But it can take photos with K-mount lenses (if programmed from a Pentax Function), but it can't meter with them. This information was released March the 3rd and seems to be the latest, so I believe this information is quite reliable. In a sense, this is a logical move since the *ist is entry level (replaces the MZ-60, MZ-7 and MZ-6). I believe that the two more upmarket models (the replacement for the MZ-3/5n and the MZ-S) will feature KAF3 with full backwards compatibility. Best wishes, Roland _ Skaffa fler messengerkontakter - Vinn 10.000 i resecheckar! http://messenger.msn.se/promo _ 23a mail _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag
Re: *ist and the lens mount.
You have to download the press release PDF, you can see the link on the page that I was refering to - or try this: http://www.pentax.de/mediapool/attachments/photo/46275/46365/63665/ist_pressetext1.pdf It's on page 7 - Technische daten, at paragraph Kompatible objektive. Best wishes, Roland From: Arnold Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: *ist and the lens mount. Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:31:36 +0100 I can see the page and have seen it before but I can see no such information. Roland Mabo schrieb: Hi gang, According to Pentax Germany and the press information PDF (http://www.pentax.de/pentaxeurope/pentaxeurope_prod/pentaxeurope/v2/de/photo/newsArea/news/PENTAXistA/prod.html), the *ist is only compatible with KAF2 (no power zoom), KAF and KA. Not K-mount. This means that the *ist has the same compatibility as MZ-60/30/50. It lacks a mechanical coupling of aperture. But it can take photos with K-mount lenses (if programmed from a Pentax Function), but it can't meter with them. This information was released March the 3rd and seems to be the latest, so I believe this information is quite reliable. In a sense, this is a logical move since the *ist is entry level (replaces the MZ-60, MZ-7 and MZ-6). I believe that the two more upmarket models (the replacement for the MZ-3/5n and the MZ-S) will feature KAF3 with full backwards compatibility. Best wishes, Roland _ Skaffa fler messengerkontakter - Vinn 10.000 i resecheckar! http://messenger.msn.se/promo _ Skaffa fler messengerkontakter - Vinn 10.000 i resecheckar! http://messenger.msn.se/promo
Re: *ist and the lens mount.
From: Hans Imglueck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: *ist and the lens mount. Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 06:45:48 -0800 (PST) I saw it. It is in the PDF-File. So the *ist is not compatible with K- and M-lenses. Hopefully the *ist D is! It seems to be. Best wishes, Roland _ Skaffa fler messengerkontakter - Vinn 10.000 i resecheckar! http://messenger.msn.se/promo
Re: *ist and the lens mount.
Yes, but Pentax Germany's info is newer... And Pentax Canada says: Usable Lenses: PENTAX KAF2- (power zoom not available) and KAF- mount lenses PENTAX KA mount lenses (AF available with optional AF adapter) When the aperture ring is set at other than A position, release lock or unlock selectable by Custom function No.17 Pentax Switserland (http://www.pentax.ch) says... Kompatible Objektive: Pentax KAF2 und KAF Objektive (ohne PowerZoom) Pentax KA Objektive (AF mit optionalem AF-Adapter erhältlich) Pentax Luxembourg/Belgium and Netherlands does not have any information on the *ist on their webpages. And Pentax UK haven't updated their webpages since January 22th. Pentax Scandinavia (http://www.pentax.se) doesn't list the mount compatibility on their webpages. I've e-mailed them and I hope that I can get an answer in a few days. When I asked them a couple of weeks ago, they simply said We don't know, we haven't got any information.. Best wishes, Roland From: Nick Zentena [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: *ist and the lens mount. Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:58:12 -0500 On March 12, 2003 09:45 am, Hans Imglueck wrote: Hi Arnold, I saw it. It is in the PDF-File. So the *ist is not compatible with K- and M-lenses. Hopefully the *ist D is! Pentax USA claims otherwise: Usable lenses - Pentax KAF2-(power zoom not available), KAF-, KA- and K-mount lenses (Autofocus possible with KA- and K-mount lenses using AF adapter) http://www.pentax.com/news/news_display.cfm?pressid=149 Nick _ Skaffa fler messengerkontakter - Vinn 10.000 i resecheckar! http://messenger.msn.se/promo
Re: *ist and the lens mount.
- Original Message - From: Roland Mabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: *ist and the lens mount. According to Pentax Germany and the press information PDF (http://www.pentax.de/pentaxeurope/pentaxeurope_prod/pentaxeurope/v2/de/phot o/newsArea/news/PENTAXistA/prod.html), the *ist is only compatible with KAF2 (no power zoom), KAF and KA. Not K-mount. This means that the *ist has the same compatibility as MZ-60/30/50. It lacks a mechanical coupling of aperture. But it can take photos with K-mount lenses (if programmed from a Pentax Function), but it can't meter with them. News about the *ist seem to be contradictory and I think we won't know the truth until someone personally tries this baby out... In a sense, this is a logical move since the *ist is entry level (replaces the MZ-60, MZ-7 and MZ-6). Actually I would call neither MZ-7, nor MZ-6 an entry level camera, especially if the MZ-60 is also called this way - the former are much more complicated, as well as the *ist is, and all of them are too complicated to be put into the same group with the MZ-60. I believe that the two more upmarket models (the replacement for the MZ-3/5n and the MZ-S) will feature KAF3 with full backwards compatibility. Two more upcoming models? I remember the rumours of 10 new Pentax cameras being introduced in the 2003, but IMHO actually it will be VERY STRANGE if we see another film SLR from Pentax in this year. Seeing two SLR's, a new 35mm flagship being one of them, is highly unlikely. I'd rather expect a few new PS's, new versions of 67 and/or 645 and most of all, new lenses... Regards Artur
Re: *ist and the lens mount.
On March 12, 2003 10:45 am, Roland Mabo wrote: Yes, but Pentax Germany's info is newer... Newer doesn't mean better. How are the Pentax press releases written? Do they make one up at head office and then translate them or does each local group produce thier own? Either way it's possible for mistakes or choices to be made. Maybe Pentax Germany/Canada don't think this feature matters. You notice they don't claim they use BW film. I'm betting it does. Until somebody tries the thing out I don't think we know one way or the other. Nick
re: *ist and the lens mount.
Roland wrote: In a sense, this is a logical move since the *ist is entry level (replaces the MZ-60, MZ-7 and MZ-6). I believe that the two more upmarket models (the replacement for the MZ-3/5n and the MZ-S) will feature KAF3 with full backwards compatibility. I don´t see how there could be two more upmarket models since the *ist is already so well featured (better than MZ-5n minus compability) and costs $300. Pentax, prove me wrong! -Matti
Re: *ist and the lens mount.
aside from KAF3 mount, there are using a pentaprism instead of a pentamirror, a faster internal drive, replaceable finders, replaceable focusing screens, larger EV range for the meter, and higher and lower shutter speeds. Herb - Original Message - From: Matti Etelapera [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:39 Subject: re: *ist and the lens mount. I don´t see how there could be two more upmarket models since the *ist is already so well featured (better than MZ-5n minus compability) and costs $300. Pentax, prove me wrong!
re: *ist and the lens mount.
Roland wrote: In a sense, this is a logical move since the *ist is entry level (replaces the MZ-60, MZ-7 and MZ-6). I believe that the two more upmarket models (the replacement for the MZ-3/5n and the MZ-S) will feature KAF3 with full backwards compatibility. I don´t see how there could be two more upmarket models since the *ist is already so well featured (better than MZ-5n minus compability) and costs $300. Pentax, prove me wrong! -Matti To be honest I think we can expect a ZX-60 replacement at about $150 and then a MZ-S replacement at $600-800. This would unfortunately mean that we never will se the LX-AF. Paul _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: *ist and the lens mount.
Actually I would call neither MZ-7, nor MZ-6 an entry level camera, especially if the MZ-60 is also called this way - the former are much more complicated, as well as the *ist is, and all of them are too complicated to be put into the same group with the MZ-60. But the *ist serie replaces the MZ-serie. The MZ-60 is far more complicated than my MZ-10, and this was actually replaced by the MZ-7, not the MZ-50 which was a lesser complicated model. If complicated means loaded with features. (I actually finds the MZ-60 to be more complicated to use than a MZ-6). When Minolta released the Dynax 5, they put mid market features (1/4000 shutter, 3 fps, etc.) in a beginners body. Back in the old days - Pentax, and Nikon, didn't have a presence in the low end SLR field. This was covered by EOS 1000 and Dynax 303Si. They were auto-everything zoom compacts in an SLR design. For Pentax, entry level meant Z10, Z70 and MZ10. EOS 500 and Nikon F50 was the competition. The MZ-50 was Pentax first attemp in the low end SLR field, and this was actually a Dynax 303 competitor with manual features! I'm happy that Pentax leaves the absolute low-end SLR field and begins a little step higher. And new cameras has more features than before. Look at the MZ-6. It's more advanced than the MZ-5n (1/4000 shutter instead of 1/2000, user programmable functions, more advanced flash system etc.), but it replaced the MZ-7 - not the MZ-5n. And the *ist replaces the MZ-6 (which only lived for a year...). We are still waiting for the MZ-5n and MZ-3 replacement. We have waited many years for this... Two more upcoming models? Yes, according to the managing director of Pentax UK who said last year that Pentax are about to reduce it's filmbased SLR line to consist of only three models. The complete *ist serie will feature... * *ist - entry level (replaces MZ-60, MZ-7 and MZ-6) * (unknown) - mid market (replaces MZ-5n/3) * (unknown) - up market (replaces MZ-S) I remember the rumours of 10 new Pentax cameras being introduced in the 2003, but IMHO actually it will be VERY STRANGE if we see another film SLR from Pentax in this year. Pentax has officially said that they are going to release 10 new *digital* products this year. (So far, 5 of those has been released) digital products can be everything... It doesn't have to be cameras. To my knowledge, they have not said how many filmbased cameras, or products, they will release this year. Best wishes, Roland _ Skaffa fler messengerkontakter - Vinn 10.000 i resecheckar! http://messenger.msn.se/promo
Re: *ist and the lens mount.
yes, fully automatic to at least a minute. Herb - Original Message - From: Roland Mabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:44 Subject: Re: *ist and the lens mount. Lower shutter speeds? Anyway, I don't believe we'll see replace finders and focusing screens in the mid market *ist - but probably in the high-end *ist. And basically the same AF and metering systems in all of them. Best wishes, Roland
Re: *ist and the lens mount.
According to what I consider a reliable source, NO ONE at Pentax USA knows, or has heard anything about, a KAF3 mount. Bill - Original Message - From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:55 AM Subject: Re: *ist and the lens mount. aside from KAF3 mount, there are using a pentaprism instead of a pentamirror, a faster internal drive, replaceable finders, replaceable focusing screens, larger EV range for the meter, and higher and lower shutter speeds. Herb - Original Message - From: Matti Etelapera [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:39 Subject: re: *ist and the lens mount. I don´t see how there could be two more upmarket models since the *ist is already so well featured (better than MZ-5n minus compability) and costs $300. Pentax, prove me wrong!
Re: *ist and the lens mount.
whatever it is called, the recent patents issued to Pentax says that there is a new mount with new capabilities. Herb - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 14:45 Subject: Re: *ist and the lens mount. According to what I consider a reliable source, NO ONE at Pentax USA knows, or has heard anything about, a KAF3 mount. Bill
Re: *ist and the lens mount.
And Pentax has been granted many patents that they haven't used. Bill - Original Message - From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:13 PM Subject: Re: *ist and the lens mount. whatever it is called, the recent patents issued to Pentax says that there is a new mount with new capabilities. Herb - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 14:45 Subject: Re: *ist and the lens mount. According to what I consider a reliable source, NO ONE at Pentax USA knows, or has heard anything about, a KAF3 mount. Bill
Re: *ist and the lens mount.
You can never be sure about what's in Mc Elligots Pool. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whatever it is called, the recent patents issued to Pentax says that there is a new mount with new capabilities. Herb
Re: *ist and the lens mount.
This is pretty much what I have been suggesting for awhile now. Anyway, the *ist D was initially made with the same crippled mount but as I have said a few days ago, Pentax is apparently working on modifications and the *ist D design isn't finalized yet. So theres still hope for the digital version. Interestingly (if I'm not reading too much into it), the data file says the *ist uses Kaf mount but is compatible wth both Kaf2 and Kaf mount. This opens for that the *ist may have Kaf3 mount. Pål
