OT - New Sony Alpha
And the Sony A700 is there: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0709/07090601sonydslra700.asp Dario - Original Message - From: Bong Manayon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:11 PM Subject: Pentaxian.com It's up! Congratulations to GDG :-) http://www.pentaxian.com Btw, there's a link to PDML from there (the cap welcome page...). -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - New Sony Alpha
Looks what I expected for Pentax's next DSLR. Somehow I expected more from SONY, (and sooner). Dario Bonazza wrote: And the Sony A700 is there: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0709/07090601sonydslra700.asp Dario - Original Message - From: Bong Manayon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:11 PM Subject: Pentaxian.com It's up! Congratulations to GDG :-) http://www.pentaxian.com Btw, there's a link to PDML from there (the cap welcome page...). -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - New Sony Alpha
Dario Bonazza wrote: And the Sony A700 is there: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0709/07090601sonydslra700.asp Dario - Original Message - From: Bong Manayon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:11 PM Subject: Pentaxian.com It's up! Congratulations to GDG :-) http://www.pentaxian.com Btw, there's a link to PDML from there (the cap welcome page...). -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc Why discuss it now? Roman will be telling us all about it sometime next month. g -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - New Sony Alpha
Colour me underwhelmed. Preliminary pricing looks to be $100 more than a 40D with less performance (other than in-body IS). I'm going through DPreview's preview now. -Adam Dario Bonazza wrote: And the Sony A700 is there: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0709/07090601sonydslra700.asp Dario - Original Message - From: Bong Manayon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:11 PM Subject: Pentaxian.com It's up! Congratulations to GDG :-) http://www.pentaxian.com Btw, there's a link to PDML from there (the cap welcome page...). -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - New Sony Alpha
Well, and new Alpha has weather sealing unlike 40D ;-) On 2007-09-06, at 18:51, Adam Maas wrote: Colour me underwhelmed. Preliminary pricing looks to be $100 more than a 40D with less performance (other than in-body IS). I'm going through DPreview's preview now. Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - New Sony Alpha
No, it doesn't. It's dust-sealed just like the 40D, not weather-sealed like a K10D or D200/D300. -Adam Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: Well, and new Alpha has weather sealing unlike 40D ;-) On 2007-09-06, at 18:51, Adam Maas wrote: Colour me underwhelmed. Preliminary pricing looks to be $100 more than a 40D with less performance (other than in-body IS). I'm going through DPreview's preview now. Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
On 9/3/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: Speaking of babe magnets ... http://homepage.mac.com/godders/well-hung-4740.jpg Cotty, Bob W, Godfrey - Camden Lock 2006 Pentax *ist DS + DA21/3.2 Limited - ISO 400 @ f/4 @ 1/200 Oh sheesh! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: New Sony
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: 10 March 2007 09:03 To: pentax list Subject: Re: New Sony On 9/3/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: Speaking of babe magnets ... http://homepage.mac.com/godders/well-hung-4740.jpg Cotty, Bob W, Godfrey - Camden Lock 2006 Pentax *ist DS + DA21/3.2 Limited - ISO 400 @ f/4 @ 1/200 Oh sheesh! We look like a boy band, don't we? Or one of those websites that Roman's so fond of, with boys in vests. -- Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
No way Ken, not a Z1P. I wouldn't call it a pretty camera but noway is it ugly. I'd vote for A3000 or SFX, not sure. We should make a poll: prettiest and ugliest Pentax camera :) 2007/3/9, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 3/08/07 6:43 PM, K.Takeshita, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are not the only one who thinks so, of course. Why do you think others won't think that way? What's wrong in chatting about the shape or anything else. BTW, the ugliest camera I encountered so far (at the time) was PZ-1p but it gave me what I wanted and I loved it. Even though we joke around what looks to be an old style pentaprism in steroid of Sony's mockup, I am sure anyone in this list would pick it up if it offers what he wants. So, please.. :-). Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
It is the desire of most civilised societies to have the freedom to express their views, and there is no fault here. What there is, is a difference of cultural exchange. In America, it is part and parcel of the culture to express a view even if that view does not necessarily move the discussion on in a positive way, whereas in other parts of the world it is perceived to be inconsiderate to express a belief that appears to denigrate. This is the cost of a world-wide list, and unmoderated. The positive aspects of such (in my opinion ;-) far outweigh the disadvantages, and so we must try and deal with it. We all like a bit of silliness now and again, and I am no exception. I enjoy reading nonesense about how ugly a camera looks, and I certainly enjoy Ken's posts. I also enjoy reading of the extremely technical nature of digital photography, and I equally enjoy reading Godfrey's posts. So, here is a pretend post that probably would never happen here on this list - look at the content, and think about it, and think how the reply might seem offensive to someone from a culture slightly less 'up front and in your face' POST A: Vibrating components is by far the best method of cleaning DSLR sensors, as the vertical and horizontal movement of the sensor at a high frequency means that small particles of dust and detritus are forced off the sensor and onto the sticky surface below where they are collected. Having to use Pec-pads and such is such a chore in comparison and I would recommend anyone to buy a DSLR with this feature. POST B: What da heck do I care how it cleans? I want to know what it looks like ... Does it have a nice rounded prism cover? what the accessories look like? what the grip feels like? are what are important to me. Just playing devil's advocate here. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
Looks a bit like the grotesque Mamiya lighthouse, not something I would like to be seen in public with... Bertil It does appear to have a larger pentaprism, which means? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Prettiest/Ugliest Pentax Equipment (was RE: New Sony)
Hi Thibouille I share your taste with the SFX series but to be fair, these ugly bodies have served me very well over the last years. Maybe it was it's look and size and weight that made them unwanted and available very cheap second hand. But the SFXn has some inner qualities. If we talk about ugliness, I strongly vote for the F-series lenses, I really hate how they look and feel. The most beautiful lenses must be some of the M42 Takumar series, I vote for the SMC 85mm 1.8! greetings Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thibouille Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:03 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: New Sony No way Ken, not a Z1P. I wouldn't call it a pretty camera but noway is it ugly. I'd vote for A3000 or SFX, not sure. We should make a poll: prettiest and ugliest Pentax camera :) 2007/3/9, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 3/08/07 6:43 PM, K.Takeshita, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are not the only one who thinks so, of course. Why do you think others won't think that way? What's wrong in chatting about the shape or anything else. BTW, the ugliest camera I encountered so far (at the time) was PZ-1p but it gave me what I wanted and I loved it. Even though we joke around what looks to be an old style pentaprism in steroid of Sony's mockup, I am sure anyone in this list would pick it up if it offers what he wants. So, please.. :-). Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Prettiest/Ugliest Pentax Equipment (was RE: New Sony)
There seems to be an almost lovely clunky functionality to the SFX series now -- they seem so wedded to their time, a late-1980s, funky LCD-and-switches style. I initially thought the PZ-1/PZ-1p series were ugly bulbous plastic blobs but I later came to love their form factor, ergonomics and size -- and this is from someone who has a huge appreciation for the older Pentaxes as well, from the SV through the K series, LX and Super A. I just consider the more modern bodies a different animal. Joe Hi Thibouille I share your taste with the SFX series but to be fair, these ugly bodies have served me very well over the last years. Maybe it was it's look and size and weight that made them unwanted and available very cheap second hand. But the SFXn has some inner qualities. If we talk about ugliness, I strongly vote for the F-series lenses, I really hate how they look and feel. The most beautiful lenses must be some of the M42 Takumar series, I vote for the SMC 85mm 1.8! greetings Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thibouille Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:03 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: New Sony No way Ken, not a Z1P. I wouldn't call it a pretty camera but noway is it ugly. I'd vote for A3000 or SFX, not sure. We should make a poll: prettiest and ugliest Pentax camera :) 2007/3/9, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 3/08/07 6:43 PM, K.Takeshita, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are not the only one who thinks so, of course. Why do you think others won't think that way? What's wrong in chatting about the shape or anything else. BTW, the ugliest camera I encountered so far (at the time) was PZ-1p but it gave me what I wanted and I loved it. Even though we joke around what looks to be an old style pentaprism in steroid of Sony's mockup, I am sure anyone in this list would pick it up if it offers what he wants. So, please.. :-). Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Prettiest/Ugliest Pentax Equipment (was RE: New Sony)
The prettiest camera pentax ever made by far was the first spotmatic in black (without the ugly hot shoe every camera since about '75 now has). The damn thing ought to be in a museum of fine art for it's sculpture. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Markus Maurer Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:12 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Prettiest/Ugliest Pentax Equipment (was RE: New Sony) Hi Thibouille I share your taste with the SFX series but to be fair, these ugly bodies have served me very well over the last years. Maybe it was it's look and size and weight that made them unwanted and available very cheap second hand. But the SFXn has some inner qualities. If we talk about ugliness, I strongly vote for the F-series lenses, I really hate how they look and feel. The most beautiful lenses must be some of the M42 Takumar series, I vote for the SMC 85mm 1.8! greetings Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thibouille Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:03 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: New Sony No way Ken, not a Z1P. I wouldn't call it a pretty camera but noway is it ugly. I'd vote for A3000 or SFX, not sure. We should make a poll: prettiest and ugliest Pentax camera :) 2007/3/9, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 3/08/07 6:43 PM, K.Takeshita, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are not the only one who thinks so, of course. Why do you think others won't think that way? What's wrong in chatting about the shape or anything else. BTW, the ugliest camera I encountered so far (at the time) was PZ-1p but it gave me what I wanted and I loved it. Even though we joke around what looks to be an old style pentaprism in steroid of Sony's mockup, I am sure anyone in this list would pick it up if it offers what he wants. So, please.. :-). Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
In a message dated 3/9/2007 2:01:43 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is the desire of most civilized societies to have the freedom to express their views, and there is no fault here. What there is, is a difference of cultural exchange. In America, it is part and parcel of the culture to express a view even if that view does not necessarily move the discussion on in a positive way, whereas in other parts of the world it is perceived to be inconsiderate to express a belief that appears to denigrate. Just playing devil's advocate here. Cheers, Cotty === You make a very good point, Cotty. Lot of us Americans are pretty darn blunt, and that isn't the same everywhere. You're not just a jokester. Well, you're mainly a jokester, but not just. Marnie aka Doe ;-) (I was going to put in you're not just a pretty face, but jokester seemed more apt. Hehehe.) BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: New Sony Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:53:17 + It is the desire of most civilised societies to have the freedom to express their views, and there is no fault here. What there is, is a difference of cultural exchange. In America, it is part and parcel of the culture to express a view even if that view does not necessarily move the discussion on in a positive way, whereas in other parts of the world it is perceived to be inconsiderate to express a belief that appears to denigrate. This is the cost of a world-wide list, and unmoderated. The positive aspects of such (in my opinion ;-) far outweigh the disadvantages, and so we must try and deal with it. We all like a bit of silliness now and again, and I am no exception. I enjoy reading nonesense about how ugly a camera looks, and I certainly enjoy Ken's posts. I also enjoy reading of the extremely technical nature of digital photography, and I equally enjoy reading Godfrey's posts. So, here is a pretend post that probably would never happen here on this list - look at the content, and think about it, and think how the reply might seem offensive to someone from a culture slightly less 'up front and in your face' POST A: Vibrating components is by far the best method of cleaning DSLR sensors, as the vertical and horizontal movement of the sensor at a high frequency means that small particles of dust and detritus are forced off the sensor and onto the sticky surface below where they are collected. Having to use Pec-pads and such is such a chore in comparison and I would recommend anyone to buy a DSLR with this feature. POST B: What da heck do I care how it cleans? I want to know what it looks like ... Does it have a nice rounded prism cover? what the accessories look like? what the grip feels like? are what are important to me. Just playing devil's advocate here. Cheers, Cotty Shut your big trap! Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
I don't remember you had a reaction that childish when the list discussed the 3 mock-ups Pentax showed months ago for the 645D design. Or were you ? -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
re: New Sony
Ken, That's all nothing more than a big load of condescending bullshit. You're being pissy and picking a fight because you think I meant to offend your delicate sensibilities. I didn't, get over it. My comment was not directed at you specifically, and it wasn't even a response to your post. If you choose to go whispering amongst your 'good friends' about me, or anyone else, all you're doing is acting like a pouty teenager who's been told that they're stupid. Photography is important to me, it's not just a passing fancy that I dally in to pass the time. It sounds like it is just that to you. I'll say what I think about something that's important to me. Otherwise, what waste my time on a discussion forum? - If I have a problem with what you have to say, I'll say it direct and to your face. I won't snigger and whisper about you behind your back with other people who are my friends. - If you take issue with something I say, show a little courage and say what the problem is straight out. You won't offend my delicate sensibilities. - If you don't want to talk to me, don't: Filter my emails to the trash, just like I filter others on this list who act like jerks IMO. - Nothing I'm saying is intended to offend you, unless you want to make condescending insinuations about my attitude or air of pompousness or other such petulant malarkey. Then I'll tell you to go fuck off. And BTW: If I discover that you're speaking of me behind my back in a manner that suggests libel or slander, I'll have my attorney contact you to resolve that. G Begin forwarded message: From: K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: March 8, 2007 9:14:07 PM PST To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: New Sony Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net On 3/08/07 10:13 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't give a damn what Sony's new pro DSLR looks like. It looks like a camera to me. A Pentax 645 looks like an ungainly box with a pipe on the front and a handle. A Hasselblad is another fugly box with a pipe stuck on it. The fact that those two are superb cameras is what's important. These are my opinions. I don't know what Sony's new box is yet. I see no reason to disparage it by calling it ugly. I knew this irritated you :-). But strange! What's in it? how does it perform? how much will it cost? what is the quality of the lenses available for it? ... These are questions I'm interested in the answers to. As I said, you are not the only person who wants to know these. Today was just the first day of PMA. There are already many info coming out under the table at least in Japan, and soon they will be here. But as somebody else said, I would not put too much speculations on non-Pentax subjects littering this list. The only reason why I raised the Sony matter was that there has been a persistent rumour about their flagship being a FF sensor with 20MP etc, which I thought might have some bearing on those who are wishing Pentax FF. But loom at your questions. We were just joking around the loom of their mockup as everybody else in the world was doing. Some of their posts were downright funny. But that does not mean that people have interest only on the ugliness and not other more important questions. As I said, I will buy an ugly camera in a heartbeat if it gives me what I want. But don't even think that people who were joking around one subject do not have questions/interests in other point. That was my point. And I felt there has been a pattern of some pompousness when you start trying to disparage somebody else's discussions. As I pointed out much earlier, your mentality in the same tone is when you suddenly crop up, blaming somebody else's thread being a waste of time and you should ignore it. As I said at that time, in defense of somebody else, I thought it was rude/intrusive and told you that if you think certain thread is stupid and waste of time and wish to ignore it, do so quietly without telling the world that you should ignore it. If you want to discuss beautiful toys, by all means, but don't make insinuations about my opinions. I didn't opine that you were an idiot for considering it ugly. I don't care about the beautiful toys although I appreciate beautiful craftsmanship. This comment alone has another underlying tone. And why do you think I made insinuations about your opinion. It was not at all about your opinion, but your attitude, and I tried to be subtle about it but you made this into your opinion vs my opinion. I never insinuate others' opinion. Did you ever see me doing so? I was only trying to subtly communicate with you on underlying' tone of your post and your habit. And when I said something not so nice about someone, I always try to balance it by saying something nice such as you have been helpful
Re: New Sony
Who are you directing your question towards? If me, the discussion about the Pentax 645D mock-up's design was specifically a discussion of its ergonomics and styling, since there was very little data available as to their internals. That's why Pentax offered a public view of the mock-ups. So a discussion of the styling was apropos for them. G On Mar 9, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Thibouille wrote: I don't remember you had a reaction that childish when the list discussed the 3 mock-ups Pentax showed months ago for the 645D design. Or were you ? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
On 3/09/07 1:16 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Photography is important to me, it's not just a passing fancy that I dally in to pass the time. It sounds like it is just that to you. I'll say what I think about something that's important to me. Otherwise, what waste my time on a discussion forum? That's exactly my point. You don't own the list. This list is for everyone with different level of interest and skill levels. Should I explain more? And BTW: If I discover that you're speaking of me behind my back in a manner that suggests libel or slander, I'll have my attorney contact you to resolve that. Just goes to show your mentality. Too timid and sensitive. Do you really think anybody would be intimidated by this sort of childish cry? You are only lowering yourself. How much computer/gear head you have has less importance than the decency as a man. Get over this and concentrate on your post processing all day :-). The virtue of this list has been the maturity and the decency of the people who participate. Please fit in. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
On 3/09/07 1:16 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's all nothing more than a big load of condescending bullshit. You're being pissy and picking a fight because you think I meant to offend your delicate sensibilities. I didn't, get over it. My comment was not directed at you specifically, and it wasn't even a response to your post. If you choose to go whispering amongst your 'good friends' about me, or anyone else, all you're doing is acting like a pouty teenager who's been told that they're stupid. You seem to be overly concerned about how you look or regarded, eh? Why is that? Wasn't it always like this in your life? And watch your language. You tend to go wild as soon as you think someone hurt your pride or something, and you easily go way over the line offending everybody. There has been a tacit set of etiquette in this list for a long time, way before you joined. Don't be a person to make this list any other lists you may have been participating. I live in North America long enough and may be Americanized (Canadianized) so that I could be just as blunt as you are. But yours is not the bluntness but the rudeness coming from the lack of education, Academic education is not all the education. Behave yourself and don't blow things out of proportion. Usually, except very few occasions, any flame wars have been were well contained and usually self-contained, but that's because people in this list know the minimum etiquette and the social commonsense. You are often involved in the centre of wars with very offensive and obscene words. Who told you that you can do it here? Anyway, you are what I thought you were, exposing yourself to the world. I can get any useful info from anywhere else. Tell you what. I'll disappear for your sake and to make you happier. As I said, I do not pick a fight with anybody and do not wish to leave a bad air with anybody in this list. Life is short and nothing is worth the aggravation. You have tendency to blow up, use foul language, say selfish things and end up squeezing people out. Stop it. As I said, this list is for everybody, but not for your exclusive use and you cannot just say the things only because you want to. I have been observing your pattern of pompousness and rude attitude, so I just gave you a tickle. Maybe I was right on which should have enraged you. In any case, have fun. Bye, Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
I surf certain limited number of camera site in Japan and when I encounter something which might be of interest to PDMLers, I try to share them. Ken, this is much appreciated. You are often our best source of information. Thanks for doing it. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
Timid and sensitive my ass. Perhaps you don't understand the meanings of the words Libel and Slander. You might want to look them up. You can take your condescension and bullshit with you into the trash bucket, Ken. Now go play nicey-nicey with your so-called friends... I wouldn't want to intrude upon your delicate sensibilities any further. Godfrey On Mar 9, 2007, at 10:45 AM, K.Takeshita wrote: On 3/09/07 1:16 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Photography is important to me, it's not just a passing fancy that I dally in to pass the time. It sounds like it is just that to you. I'll say what I think about something that's important to me. Otherwise, what waste my time on a discussion forum? That's exactly my point. You don't own the list. This list is for everyone with different level of interest and skill levels. Should I explain more? And BTW: If I discover that you're speaking of me behind my back in a manner that suggests libel or slander, I'll have my attorney contact you to resolve that. Just goes to show your mentality. Too timid and sensitive. Do you really think anybody would be intimidated by this sort of childish cry? You are only lowering yourself. How much computer/gear head you have has less importance than the decency as a man. Get over this and concentrate on your post processing all day :-). The virtue of this list has been the maturity and the decency of the people who participate. Please fit in. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
I surf certain limited number of camera site in Japan and when I encounter something which might be of interest to PDMLers, I try to share them. Ken has now unsubbed from the list. He participates in Japanese discussion fora and has taken the time to translate long documents for us. He has been our best source of accurate information. Now we have lost him. The value of this list is much diminished. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 11:24:38AM -0800, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: You can take your condescension and bullshit with you into the trash bucket, Ken. And the rest of us would be happier if you took your own advice. Take your childish playground tantrums to email, if you must. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
I agree. Really no one likes to be told what they can/cannot talk about on an unmoderated list. Ken's discussion of the aesthetics of the Sony mockup were not off topic, inappropriate, or offensive. Tom C. From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: New Sony Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 12:31:56 -0700 I surf certain limited number of camera site in Japan and when I encounter something which might be of interest to PDMLers, I try to share them. Ken has now unsubbed from the list. He participates in Japanese discussion fora and has taken the time to translate long documents for us. He has been our best source of accurate information. Now we have lost him. The value of this list is much diminished. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
In a message dated 3/9/2007 11:59:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree. Really no one likes to be told what they can/cannot talk about on an unmoderated list. Ken's discussion of the aesthetics of the Sony mockup were not off topic, inappropriate, or offensive. Tom C. == I wrote Ken. He said he needs a sabbatical for other reasons anyway, but will probably be back. Heck, hardly anything is off topic here. Later, Marnie aka Doe ;-) BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: New Sony Timid and sensitive my ass. Perhaps you don't understand the meanings of the words Libel and Slander. You might want to look them up. Godders, take a pill, you are starting to sound like a 4 year old with a dictionary. Disclaimer: The above sentence is meant to profess a legally entitled opinion only. BTW, you would have to prove you have lost more than face if you intend to make a legal action mean any more than pissing in a snowdrift in Ken's jurisdiction. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
I'm entitled to state my opinions too on a free list. I said that *I* didn't give a damn about the aesthetics of the Sony lump not that others couldn't or shouldn't comment on it, or even that commenting about it was wrong, incorrect, or inappropriate and that *I* would like to hear more about its technical details and performance, which I presume others who enjoy being more than Pentax 'brand cheerleaders' would also. I said nothing negative to or about Ken until he decided to pick a fight for no reason at all and acted in such a condescending manner. My comment wasn't even directed at Ken, it was rhetorical. If he wants to act childishly, I can do without him. It is never my intent or desire to insult someone, and that's exactly what he was intending/ doing with his insinuations and condescension although he claims otherwise. As you, and others, have so often stated, there is no value to this list anyway. It exists for informal discussion and banter, supposedly between friendly persons. It is not a source of information from Pentax. I subscribe because there is some fun banter, occasionally useful information and I can assist a few people occasionally. Can't take that: don't read my posts. I don't care if you do or don't, that's up to you. G On Mar 9, 2007, at 11:36 AM, John Francis wrote: On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 11:24:38AM -0800, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: You can take your condescension and bullshit with you into the trash bucket, Ken. And the rest of us would be happier if you took your own advice. Take your childish playground tantrums to email, if you must. On Mar 9, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Tom C wrote: I agree. Really no one likes to be told what they can/cannot talk about on an unmoderated list. Ken's discussion of the aesthetics of the Sony mockup were not off topic, inappropriate, or offensive. Tom C. From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: New Sony Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 12:31:56 -0700 I surf certain limited number of camera site in Japan and when I encounter something which might be of interest to PDMLers, I try to share them. Ken has now unsubbed from the list. He participates in Japanese discussion fora and has taken the time to translate long documents for us. He has been our best source of accurate information. Now we have lost him. The value of this list is much diminished. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
On 9/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: You're not just a jokester. Well, you're mainly a jokester, but not just. Why Marnie, I want to cry. Will you marry me? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
On 9/3/07, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed: Shut your big trap! LOL -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
Which is exactly the same situation the two Sony mockups are in currently. -Adam Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Who are you directing your question towards? If me, the discussion about the Pentax 645D mock-up's design was specifically a discussion of its ergonomics and styling, since there was very little data available as to their internals. That's why Pentax offered a public view of the mock-ups. So a discussion of the styling was apropos for them. G On Mar 9, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Thibouille wrote: I don't remember you had a reaction that childish when the list discussed the 3 mock-ups Pentax showed months ago for the 645D design. Or were you ? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
On 9/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: Wait a minute, hmmph. Since you're already taken, that's not much of an offer. Yeah but it's very big of me. (say it fast) ;-))) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
In a message dated 3/9/2007 12:58:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why Marnie, I want to cry. Will you marry me? -- Cheers, Cotty === Wait a minute, hmmph. Since you're already taken, that's not much of an offer. Marnie aka Doe ;-) BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why Marnie, I want to cry. Will you marry me? Wait a minute, hmmph. Since you're already taken, that's not much of an offer. He's Cotty. It wouldn't be much of an offer if he wasn't taken ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Sony Wait a minute, hmmph. Since you're already taken, that's not much of an offer. Do you really think it is much of an offer under any circumstances? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
On 9/3/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: He's Cotty. It wouldn't be much of an offer if he wasn't taken ;-) Oh come on, you know very well I'm 6' 5 of steaming testosterone. And wearing my favourite Klingon T shirt. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: New Sony
He's Cotty. It wouldn't be much of an offer if he wasn't taken ;-) Oh come on, you know very well I'm 6' 5 of steaming testosterone. And wearing my favourite Klingon T shirt. must be what you makes you into such a babe magnet. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
Cotty wrote: On 9/3/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: He's Cotty. It wouldn't be much of an offer if he wasn't taken ;-) Oh come on, you know very well I'm 6' 5 of steaming testosterone. I was right with you till you got to the last word of that sentence... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
On 9/3/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: must be what you makes you into such a babe magnet. My kind of babes have prominent ridgebones on their skulls and relieve you of flesh when rutting. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
- Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Sony On 9/3/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: must be what you makes you into such a babe magnet. My kind of babes have prominent ridgebones on their skulls and relieve you of flesh when rutting. You'd love my wife. WW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
Mark Roberts wrote: Cotty wrote: On 9/3/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: He's Cotty. It wouldn't be much of an offer if he wasn't taken ;-) Oh come on, you know very well I'm 6' 5 of steaming testosterone. I was right with you till you got to the last word of that sentence... Just a 'polite' alternate name for it, Mark. Sometimes called a PhD. keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
I'd think Cotty would say... On the contrary, it's quite bigamy. (Had cogitate a while on how to make that work). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/9/2007 12:58:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why Marnie, I want to cry. Will you marry me? -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
I beg to differ, Adam, but Sony is showing two prototypes. They are of two new models, different models, not three mockups of one future model. And as far as I can tell from reading the various blurbs on them, they are not soliciting design/styling information from people, just showing what they have coming. Pentax was explicitly showing three possible mockups for the 645D camera with the notion of gathering people's input on what they liked most. Godfrey On Mar 9, 2007, at 12:58 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Which is exactly the same situation the two Sony mockups are in currently. Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Who are you directing your question towards? If me, the discussion about the Pentax 645D mock-up's design was specifically a discussion of its ergonomics and styling, since there was very little data available as to their internals. That's why Pentax offered a public view of the mock-ups. So a discussion of the styling was apropos for them. On Mar 9, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Thibouille wrote: I don't remember you had a reaction that childish when the list discussed the 3 mock-ups Pentax showed months ago for the 645D design. Or were you ? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
On Mar 9, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Bob W wrote: He's Cotty. It wouldn't be much of an offer if he wasn't taken ;-) Oh come on, you know very well I'm 6' 5 of steaming testosterone. And wearing my favourite Klingon T shirt. must be what you makes you into such a babe magnet. Speaking of babe magnets ... http://homepage.mac.com/godders/well-hung-4740.jpg Cotty, Bob W, Godfrey - Camden Lock 2006 Pentax *ist DS + DA21/3.2 Limited - ISO 400 @ f/4 @ 1/200 Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
In a message dated 3/9/2007 5:04:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Speaking of babe magnets ... http://homepage.mac.com/godders/well-hung-4740.jpg Cotty, Bob W, Godfrey - Camden Lock 2006 Pentax *ist DS + DA21/3.2 Limited - ISO 400 @ f/4 @ 1/200 Godfrey === Heeheheheheheehee. Oh, sorry, I probably shouldn't laugh. Marnie aka Doe ;-) BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: New Sony Speaking of babe magnets ... http://homepage.mac.com/godders/well-hung-4740.jpg HAR!! William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Speaking of babe magnets ... http://homepage.mac.com/godders/well-hung-4740.jpg Cotty, Bob W, Godfrey - Camden Lock 2006 Pentax *ist DS + DA21/3.2 Limited - ISO 400 @ f/4 @ 1/200 Yeah, I can see where you're having to wrap the excess around your waistlines. ;-D -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
Maturity? Are we talking about the same PDML? Cheers, Dave ;-) On 3/10/07, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The virtue of this list has been the maturity and the decency of the people who participate. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
On 3/10/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cotty wrote: On 9/3/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: He's Cotty. It wouldn't be much of an offer if he wasn't taken ;-) Oh come on, you know very well I'm 6' 5 of steaming testosterone. I was right with you till you got to the last word of that sentence... ...well steaming something. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
New Sony
So, what do you think? Does this look real, or something to keep the current market? :-) http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/digital-cameras/pma-07-breaking-sony-alpha-flagsh ip-first-pics-242663.php http://tinyurl.com/yoag7u And http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/digital-cameras/breaking-pma-07-live-blog-sony-an nounces-expansions-to-alpha-dslr-line-242638.php http://tinyurl.com/2f69wo Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
I could mean anything, more empty space, more electronics, larger sensor therefore larger prism to cover it. Who knows. Ken Takeshita wrote: On 3/8/07, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/digital-cameras/pma-07-breaking-sony-alpha-flagsh ip-first-pics-242663.php http://tinyurl.com/yoag7u It does appear to have a larger pentaprism, which means? Ken -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
On 3/8/07, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/digital-cameras/pma-07-breaking-sony-alpha-flagsh ip-first-pics-242663.php http://tinyurl.com/yoag7u It does appear to have a larger pentaprism, which means? Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
On 3/08/07 4:27 PM, P. J. Alling, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could mean anything, more empty space, more electronics, larger sensor therefore larger prism to cover it. Who knows. True, and I have no interest in Sony DSLR anyway. But as a speculation game :-), they might come up with a larger sensor DSLR, like 1.1 crop factor in a desperate effort to regain the market share eroded by the sagging sales of alpha 100. However, these pics which they call a flagship look awfully like a mockup. Pentax used to use this tactic :-). But if they actually adopted an FF or closer size sensor (they are rumoured to have it ready), then there might be FF stampede. Who knows, as you say... Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
yeah, looks real. Ugly as sin, but real. Looks like we're getting the 7D replacement and something akin to a Maxxum 9D. Gawd is that prism ugly though, looks like it belongs on a Praktica. -Adam K.Takeshita wrote: So, what do you think? Does this look real, or something to keep the current market? :-) http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/digital-cameras/pma-07-breaking-sony-alpha-flagsh ip-first-pics-242663.php http://tinyurl.com/yoag7u And http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/digital-cameras/breaking-pma-07-live-blog-sony-an nounces-expansions-to-alpha-dslr-line-242638.php http://tinyurl.com/2f69wo Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
On 3/08/07 5:00 PM, Adam Maas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gawd is that prism ugly though, looks like it belongs on a Praktica. Well, that's one of the reasons why I think it's just a mockup. It's Sony's idea of flagship pentaprism :-). Sony CFO recently stated that they have a couple of new models planned, but not sure if they would release it until they see how the market goes. So, they might be exploring the market by showing these. But then, you never know, they might surprise us. Either way, Sony DSLR? Not for me. Now my first photo trip out in the nature this weekend in a long time. More exciting :-). Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
Very ugly. Something like a Lada car. 2007/3/8, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So, what do you think? Does this look real, or something to keep the current market? :-) http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/digital-cameras/pma-07-breaking-sony-alpha-flagsh ip-first-pics-242663.php http://tinyurl.com/yoag7u And http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/digital-cameras/breaking-pma-07-live-blog-sony-an nounces-expansions-to-alpha-dslr-line-242638.php http://tinyurl.com/2f69wo Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
On 3/08/07 5:16 PM, Thibouille, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very ugly. Something like a Lada car. What are they thinking! It looks more like my old ME's (1970's) pentaprism area. If this is Sony's idea of what their DSLR flagship should look like, well, what can I say. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
Personally i thought it looked quite manly... reminiscent of a 6 x 7. Tom C. From: K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: New Sony Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:24:43 -0500 On 3/08/07 5:00 PM, Adam Maas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gawd is that prism ugly though, looks like it belongs on a Praktica. Well, that's one of the reasons why I think it's just a mockup. It's Sony's idea of flagship pentaprism :-). Sony CFO recently stated that they have a couple of new models planned, but not sure if they would release it until they see how the market goes. So, they might be exploring the market by showing these. But then, you never know, they might surprise us. Either way, Sony DSLR? Not for me. Now my first photo trip out in the nature this weekend in a long time. More exciting :-). Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
On Mar 8, 2007, at 2:45 PM, Tom C wrote: Personally i thought it looked quite manly... reminiscent of a 6 x 7. It looks like a camera. What da heck do I care what it looks like? I want to know what it sees ... Does it work well? how much will it sell for? what sensor is in it? are what are important to me. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
K.Takeshita wrote: However, these pics which they call a flagship look awfully like a mockup. Especially since the lens is stopped down while mounted... Shouldn't it be wide open? But, damn it's ugly... :-) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
On 3/08/07 6:18 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What da heck do I care what it looks like? I want to know what it sees ... Does it work well? how much will it sell for? what sensor is in it? are what are important to me. Godfrey, here you go again. You are not the only one who thinks so, of course. Why do you think others won't think that way? What's wrong in chatting about the shape or anything else. Sony have not released any meaningful info yet. We are just enjoying the speculation game. Take it easy :-). Anyone has the right to discuss about any aspects of camera and photography. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
On 3/08/07 6:18 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does it work well? how much will it sell for? what sensor is in it? are what are important to me. Those too are being discussed everywhere now. I have my own speculations, and it will start soon :-). But when it starts, please do not try to turn it off only because they are speculations. I surf certain limited number of camera site in Japan and when I encounter something which might be of interest to PDMLers, I try to share them. Speculation game around PMA/Photokina has been a long standing PDML ritual. But we do talk about the photography itself once in a while, don't we? :-). Spring is coming here and I am looking forward to going out to the nature I love. I have many more hobbies and interests but I do not earn money by selling my photos, like many other people here. I enjoy other people's tongue-in-cheek comments. They make me smile and laugh. I am an easygoing guy and not uptight ;-). Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
On 3/08/07 6:43 PM, K.Takeshita, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are not the only one who thinks so, of course. Why do you think others won't think that way? What's wrong in chatting about the shape or anything else. BTW, the ugliest camera I encountered so far (at the time) was PZ-1p but it gave me what I wanted and I loved it. Even though we joke around what looks to be an old style pentaprism in steroid of Sony's mockup, I am sure anyone in this list would pick it up if it offers what he wants. So, please.. :-). Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
On Mar 8, 2007, at 3:43 PM, K.Takeshita wrote: On 3/08/07 6:18 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What da heck do I care what it looks like? I want to know what it sees ... Does it work well? how much will it sell for? what sensor is in it? are what are important to me. Godfrey, here you go again. You are not the only one who thinks so, of course. Why do you think others won't think that way? What's wrong in chatting about the shape or anything else. Sony have not released any meaningful info yet. We are just enjoying the speculation game. Take it easy :-). Anyone has the right to discuss about any aspects of camera and photography. What do you mean here I go again ??? You mean I cannot voice my opinion that I don't give a rat's ding- dong what it looks like? And you can voice your opinion that it is ugly? That's so wonderful of you. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
On 3/08/07 7:31 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean I cannot voice my opinion that I don't give a rat's ding- dong what it looks like? And you can voice your opinion that it is ugly? I do not think this is the point. And I was just joking on Sony's mockup. It is not what you or we said but . I know why I said what I said. But there is no pint going beyond here. You have been helpful in many areas. As I said, take it easy. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
On Mar 8, 2007, at 17:43, K.Takeshita wrote: On 3/08/07 6:18 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What da heck do I care what it looks like? I want to know what it sees ... Does it work well? how much will it sell for? what sensor is in it? are what are important to me. Godfrey, here you go again. You are not the only one who thinks so, of course. Why do you think others won't think that way? What's wrong in chatting about the shape or anything else. Sony have not released any meaningful info yet. We are just enjoying the speculation game. Take it easy :-). Anyone has the right to discuss about any aspects of camera and photography. ...isn't that exactly what he's doing? Discussing any aspect? At what point did he say that others wouldn't think the way he does? He never said that what you all were talking about wasn't valid - he was just sharing his opinion (note the liberal use of the words I and me, not You, in his message...) -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org I am riding in the MS-TRAM this summer. Please consider sponsoring me! http://charles.robinsontwins.org/mstram.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
On Mar 8, 2007, at 4:52 PM, K.Takeshita wrote: You mean I cannot voice my opinion that I don't give a rat's ding- dong what it looks like? And you can voice your opinion that it is ugly? I do not think this is the point. And I was just joking on Sony's mockup. It is not what you or we said but . I know why I said what I said. But there is no pint going beyond here. You have been helpful in many areas. Then what *IS* the point, Ken? You want me to relax and yet you continue to insinuate that there is something wrong with my voicing my opinion. If you're accusing me of something, it would be nice to know right up front what it is. Otherwise, cut out the BS. I say again: I don't give a damn what Sony's new pro DSLR looks like. It looks like a camera to me. A Pentax 645 looks like an ungainly box with a pipe on the front and a handle. A Hasselblad is another fugly box with a pipe stuck on it. The fact that those two are superb cameras is what's important. These are my opinions. I don't know what Sony's new box is yet. I see no reason to disparage it by calling it ugly. What's in it? how does it perform? how much will it cost? what is the quality of the lenses available for it? ... These are questions I'm interested in the answers to. If you want to discuss beautiful toys, by all means, but don't make insinuations about my opinions. I didn't opine that you were an idiot for considering it ugly. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
At 12:13 PM 9/03/2007, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: What's in it? how does it perform? how much will it cost? what is the quality of the lenses available for it? ... These are questions I'm interested in the answers to. More importantly, does it take Pentax lenses? If not, I don't give a flying frog about it. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
On 3/08/07 10:13 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then what *IS* the point, Ken? You want me to relax and yet you continue to insinuate that there is something wrong with my voicing my opinion. If you're accusing me of something, it would be nice to know right up front what it is. Otherwise, cut out the BS. Godfrey, I try not to dig in too deep into this, for your own sake, but since you asked. Perhaps, I should send this off list but since you challenged in public. BTW, I am in no mood to pick a fight with anybody. I and some others have been feeling that there has been an underlying tone in some of your posts. I do not go deep into this simple yet stupid matter. But you tend to try to shut down perfectly legitimate discussion, by suddenly cropping up, and saying things as if the discussion is stupid and the camera is just a tool etc etc. Fine, you are right. But there is always touch of air of arrogance and pompousness in them. Am I the only one who feels so? Apparently not. I don;t care whether certain things look ugly or not, and anyone can participate in the discussion. And actually, this Sony teasing is just that, teasing and nothing to get serious about it. Everybody is doing it, in many other forums here or in Japan. But that's not the point at all. Who cares! If you want to know more, I can say more but I do not want, as I do not want to get personal with anybody. Why do I have to drain my emotion in a mere internet forum about cameras? I have so many better things to do. Plus, in this list, there are many hobbyists and for them, photography is just one way of relaxing, not something to get emotional about it. Just be humble and be happy. Challenging this to the end won't make anybody happier. If you wish to battle it out, which I think you are smart enough not to, please bring it off list so that we do not make other people annoyed. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Sony
On 3/08/07 10:13 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't give a damn what Sony's new pro DSLR looks like. It looks like a camera to me. A Pentax 645 looks like an ungainly box with a pipe on the front and a handle. A Hasselblad is another fugly box with a pipe stuck on it. The fact that those two are superb cameras is what's important. These are my opinions. I don't know what Sony's new box is yet. I see no reason to disparage it by calling it ugly. I knew this irritated you :-). But strange! What's in it? how does it perform? how much will it cost? what is the quality of the lenses available for it? ... These are questions I'm interested in the answers to. As I said, you are not the only person who wants to know these. Today was just the first day of PMA. There are already many info coming out under the table at least in Japan, and soon they will be here. But as somebody else said, I would not put too much speculations on non-Pentax subjects littering this list. The only reason why I raised the Sony matter was that there has been a persistent rumour about their flagship being a FF sensor with 20MP etc, which I thought might have some bearing on those who are wishing Pentax FF. But loom at your questions. We were just joking around the loom of their mockup as everybody else in the world was doing. Some of their posts were downright funny. But that does not mean that people have interest only on the ugliness and not other more important questions. As I said, I will buy an ugly camera in a heartbeat if it gives me what I want. But don't even think that people who were joking around one subject do not have questions/interests in other point. That was my point. And I felt there has been a pattern of some pompousness when you start trying to disparage somebody else's discussions. As I pointed out much earlier, your mentality in the same tone is when you suddenly crop up, blaming somebody else's thread being a waste of time and you should ignore it. As I said at that time, in defense of somebody else, I thought it was rude/intrusive and told you that if you think certain thread is stupid and waste of time and wish to ignore it, do so quietly without telling the world that you should ignore it. If you want to discuss beautiful toys, by all means, but don't make insinuations about my opinions. I didn't opine that you were an idiot for considering it ugly. I don't care about the beautiful toys although I appreciate beautiful craftsmanship. This comment alone has another underlying tone. And why do you think I made insinuations about your opinion. It was not at all about your opinion, but your attitude, and I tried to be subtle about it but you made this into your opinion vs my opinion. I never insinuate others' opinion. Did you ever see me doing so? I was only trying to subtly communicate with you on underlying' tone of your post and your habit. And when I said something not so nice about someone, I always try to balance it by saying something nice such as you have been helpful in many areas, in a hope you will understand there was nothing personal. This is enough. I am tired of this. I know I should not have raised this and wanted and hoping that this won't come to this, but since you challenged it Like I said, take it easy. To me, this is just another hobby list, and it is in fact stupid to get emotional and personal. This is not a life or death matter and I have no desire to continue any more. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Article on New Sony
Not a particularly illuminating article, though. I was hoping for something more technical. Godfrey On Mar 22, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Steve Desjardins wrote: FYI: There is an interesting article on how the new Sony works (the one with the always on APS Sensor) in the most recent issue of Scientific American. It's near the end of the magazine in one of the Tech sections.
OT: Article on New Sony
FYI: There is an interesting article on how the new Sony works (the one with the always on APS Sensor) in the most recent issue of Scientific American. It's near the end of the magazine in one of the Tech sections.
OT: How the new Sony works
FYI: There is an interesting article on how the new Sony works (the one with the always on APS Sensor) in the most recent issue of Scientific American. It's near the end of the magazine in one of the Tech sections.
