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On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 7:17 PM, PN Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. Karl would probably be amused. Paul I was trying to keep it non political.:-) Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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David J Brooks wrote: On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29/11/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: I believe Marx drank at the Museum Tavern, no? Cheers, Christine Grouch, Harpo or Chico? Carl That's _Karl_. Dave -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/11/29 Sat PM 09:54:47 GMT To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Canadian Meteor On 29/11/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: I believe Marx drank at the Museum Tavern, no? Cheers, Christine Grouch, Harpo or Chico? Harrison. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Having read Das Kapital. well the first three chapters, before giving up and reading Engels cliff notes, I doubt old Karl was very much amused by anything... PN Stenquist wrote: No. Karl would probably be amused. Paul On Nov 29, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Cotty wrote: On 29/11/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: On 29/11/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: I believe Marx drank at the Museum Tavern, no? Cheers, Christine Grouch, Harpo or Chico? Carl Yep, that's the one Did I really need to put a smiley? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That's because you read the Cliff Notes. Paul On Nov 30, 2008, at 7:40 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Having read Das Kapital. well the first three chapters, before giving up and reading Engels cliff notes, I doubt old Karl was very much amused by anything... PN Stenquist wrote: No. Karl would probably be amused. Paul On Nov 29, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Cotty wrote: On 29/11/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: On 29/11/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: I believe Marx drank at the Museum Tavern, no? Cheers, Christine Grouch, Harpo or Chico? Carl Yep, that's the one Did I really need to put a smiley? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I believe Marx drank at the Museum Tavern, no? Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 3:12 AM Subject: RE: OT - Canadian Meteor The Russell Square Hotel used to be popular with Soviet spies for some reason. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christine Aguila Sent: 28 November 2008 05:26 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT - Canadian Meteor I don't mind the warm ales such. I quite liked the beer/ale etc when I was last in London. My husband drank Directors when last there--I Guinness. We did a lot of drinking at the Museum Tavern at end of a long day of sight-seeing. I have fond memories of the Russell Square area. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 29/11/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: I believe Marx drank at the Museum Tavern, no? Cheers, Christine Grouch, Harpo or Chico? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29/11/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: I believe Marx drank at the Museum Tavern, no? Cheers, Christine Grouch, Harpo or Chico? Carl Dave -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 6:20 PM, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: David J Brooks On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've seen one or two episodes of Boston Legal while stuck in a motel room and too tired to read. Not bad. I'll pick up the series on DVD. Sports? on TV? Yuck. If I want to watch sports I go to the field or the race track. To see a live Leaf game here in Toronto, one needs to sell a kidney or other vital organ, just to get nose bleed seats. I prefer to pee over going to the arena.:-) Dave Tickets for any live event is a travesty. There used to be laws against scalping, but now it seems like the leagues, the teams, the concert promoters, the theaters, other venues sell ONLY too the scalpers to get kickbacks on the inflated prices. Its just about impossible for an average working family to see a major hockey game here. Our baseball team, the Blue Jays, have inexpensive seats, and i 'm not sure about our basket ball team, the Raptors, bit for the most part you need access to corporate seats to get tickets any more. Thats why i have 14 AHL, ECHL, IHL etc jersys and NO major lreague stuff, I'll give the real players my money Dave Fuck 'em. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:09 PM Subject: Re: OT - Canadian Meteor On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29/11/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: I believe Marx drank at the Museum Tavern, no? Cheers, Christine Grouch, Harpo or Chico? Carl Yep, that's the one -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 29/11/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: On 29/11/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: I believe Marx drank at the Museum Tavern, no? Cheers, Christine Grouch, Harpo or Chico? Carl Yep, that's the one Did I really need to put a smiley? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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No. Karl would probably be amused. Paul On Nov 29, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Cotty wrote: On 29/11/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: On 29/11/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: I believe Marx drank at the Museum Tavern, no? Cheers, Christine Grouch, Harpo or Chico? Carl Yep, that's the one Did I really need to put a smiley? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 29/11/08, PN Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: No. Karl would probably be amused. LOL! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 11/27/2008 7:05:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I actually really like a good ad, the problem is most are crap. [snip...] Cheers, Dave Clever ads are in a class by themselves. Here's a really clever Internet one that someone sent me as a Thanksgiving email card. http://downloads.raileurope.com/holidayCard/06_christmas_card.html Enjoy, Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0002) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The other brother. Karlo Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT - Canadian Meteor On 29/11/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: I believe Marx drank at the Museum Tavern, no? Cheers, Christine Grouch, Harpo or Chico? -- Cheers, Cotty -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The Russell Square Hotel used to be popular with Soviet spies for some reason. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christine Aguila Sent: 28 November 2008 05:26 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT - Canadian Meteor I don't mind the warm ales such. I quite liked the beer/ale etc when I was last in London. My husband drank Directors when last there--I Guinness. We did a lot of drinking at the Museum Tavern at end of a long day of sight-seeing. I have fond memories of the Russell Square area. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Christine's secret is out... 2008/11/28 Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Russell Square Hotel used to be popular with Soviet spies for some reason. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christine Aguila Sent: 28 November 2008 05:26 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT - Canadian Meteor I don't mind the warm ales such. I quite liked the beer/ale etc when I was last in London. My husband drank Directors when last there--I Guinness. We did a lot of drinking at the Museum Tavern at end of a long day of sight-seeing. I have fond memories of the Russell Square area. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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This Museum Tavern? http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Cz3bfbXJzfkOoNf1Ju6SDQ regards, Anthony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christine Aguila Sent: Friday, 28 November 2008 4:26 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT - Canadian Meteor I don't mind the warm ales such. I quite liked the beer/ale etc when I was last in London. My husband drank Directors when last there--I Guinness. We did a lot of drinking at the Museum Tavern at end of a long day of sight-seeing. I have fond memories of the Russell Square area. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yep. We used to sit window side deep pic right. We'd drink write postcards sign them with our regional travel names, which on this trip were Reginald Daphanie. We had to go to Iowa once, we used Hezekiah Amana for that trip. - Original Message - From: Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 3:55 AM Subject: RE: OT - Canadian Meteor This Museum Tavern? http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Cz3bfbXJzfkOoNf1Ju6SDQ regards, Anthony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christine Aguila Sent: Friday, 28 November 2008 4:26 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT - Canadian Meteor I don't mind the warm ales such. I quite liked the beer/ale etc when I was last in London. My husband drank Directors when last there--I Guinness. We did a lot of drinking at the Museum Tavern at end of a long day of sight-seeing. I have fond memories of the Russell Square area. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Puts me in mind of the time I had to develop a time/date control, because the out of the box control was so annoying to the users, and management didn't think it was worth buying something so simple, then endlessly complained about how much time it was taking me to build one. (So it's a run on sentence, so sue me). John Sessoms wrote: From: Bob W The photo.net ads are only marginally less annoying - at least they don't come with sound. Why don't these people learn? Don't they test people's reactions to their to their stupid, sophomoric ideas? The first lessons in user interface design are: Don't piss off your user; don't put animations on the screen; don't use sound unless it's easy to turn it off. Generally, they test them by getting other stupid, sophomoric web developers to check it out. So the feed-back they get from their testers is as moronic as their own ideas. They get told whether their latest, greatest widget works or not, but no one ever tells them the widget is stupid and annoying. They're all overly impressed with their own cleverness. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: PN Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/11/27 Thu AM 01:15:04 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Canadian Meteor If the advertising didn't work, it wouldn't be there. Web advertisers carefully record hits and compare them to sales. I'm not happy with the Adorama ads on photo.net, but I would guess they're working. Newbies who arrive at the site are probably looking for a place to buy equipment. Bingo: Adorama. And the prices are good. So a sale is made. The economy is tough these days. Everyone is struggling to survive. Marketers seize on any edge they can find. Could the Adorama tie-in backfire for photo.net? Possibly. But chances are, it will prove successful. The trick is to find the balance between noticeable, actionable and unintrusive. Right now, it's probably too intrusive, but not by much. It really doesn't bother me. Didn't even notice it at first. Er, but, well - it's an advert. And you are a pro in that world. It's not very _good_ then, is it? - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] My next site will have galleries based on flash presentation for a variety of reasons. I fully expect half of PDML will boycott it. Mark! (for the underestimation) - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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But the marketers test those web ads by counting click throughs and comparing that number to sales of featured products. They have to work, or they're gone. That being said, it's probably a bit too soon to say for sure how well the Adorama ads on photo.net work, but I suspect they already have a rough idea. And the initial media buy was probably for thirty days before Christmas. Paul On Nov 27, 2008, at 12:11 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Bob W The photo.net ads are only marginally less annoying - at least they don't come with sound. Why don't these people learn? Don't they test people's reactions to their to their stupid, sophomoric ideas? The first lessons in user interface design are: Don't piss off your user; don't put animations on the screen; don't use sound unless it's easy to turn it off. Generally, they test them by getting other stupid, sophomoric web developers to check it out. So the feed-back they get from their testers is as moronic as their own ideas. They get told whether their latest, greatest widget works or not, but no one ever tells them the widget is stupid and annoying. They're all overly impressed with their own cleverness. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/11/26 Wed PM 08:13:20 GMT To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: OT - Canadian Meteor I have a cause - to rid the world of advertising. I'm putting double-page spreads in all the national dailies tomorrow, and having a poster campaign to announce it to the world and ask people to rally to the cause. Bob You'll get nowhere without TV. Bob W. You need a cause or something to crusade for...maybe global warming? This problem with Photo.net advertising seems to petty to merit your attention. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 2:47 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay. But my real point was that none of the photo sites are perfect. [...] i just didn't like the recommendation that PDML members refrain from posting on photo.net. I've been there for a long time, and I intend to stay there. Paul I wasn't complaining about advertising as such, I was complaining about the particularly annoying type of advertising that photo.net is showing at the moment. I dislike advertising intensely at the best of times. More often than not it's visual pollution and thinly disguised lying, but I'm enough of a realist to know it's not going away, and advertising per se won't necessarily drive me away from a site. However I don't have to put up with annoying animations winking in the corner of my eye. The fact that a site is able to attract advertising is an indication of its success, not its failure. That may be so, but when the advertising starts to drive people away, who wins? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think the Adorama advertising okay. It's not horribly intrusive, yet it gets noticed by most. I tend to mentally turn off my ad recognition mode when I'm just having fun on the web. When I'm working, on the other hand, I may go looking for ads. But I know how to leave it at the office:-). Paul On Nov 27, 2008, at 6:50 AM, mike wilson wrote: From: PN Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/11/27 Thu AM 01:15:04 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Canadian Meteor If the advertising didn't work, it wouldn't be there. Web advertisers carefully record hits and compare them to sales. I'm not happy with the Adorama ads on photo.net, but I would guess they're working. Newbies who arrive at the site are probably looking for a place to buy equipment. Bingo: Adorama. And the prices are good. So a sale is made. The economy is tough these days. Everyone is struggling to survive. Marketers seize on any edge they can find. Could the Adorama tie-in backfire for photo.net? Possibly. But chances are, it will prove successful. The trick is to find the balance between noticeable, actionable and unintrusive. Right now, it's probably too intrusive, but not by much. It really doesn't bother me. Didn't even notice it at first. Er, but, well - it's an advert. And you are a pro in that world. It's not very _good_ then, is it? - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ok, i'm going against what seems to be a norm here, and say, i do like to watch TV. HOWEVER, since the invention of reality, yuck, TV, and the infomercial,, i find i am watching far less the past while. I like GOOD sitcoms, those from the 50's and 60's, and to watch hockey, baseball etc. I DO find myself, as soon a a station break comes on, run the gamat of channels until the commercials are over. If i want it i'l;l buy, dispite what Ed McMahon wants me to buy.:-) Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 26, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/27/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the spirit Christine - don't let a hoard of grumpy old men bring down the party! I'm not old... I'm not grumpy... I'm not a man. Wait. What? Oh you kid! G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 9:40 AM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, i'm going against what seems to be a norm here, snip There's only one Norm here, and he's been pretty quiet lately and I for one would prefer that it stay that way. Let's just leave him out of it, okay? ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/27/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the spirit Christine - don't let a hoard of grumpy old men bring down the party! I'm not old... I'm not grumpy... I'm not a man. Wait. What? Thats it, i'm writing a book about PDML.:-) Dave -- Scott Loveless New Cumberland, Pennsylvania, USA http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I won't buy from Adorama anyway. Their service isn't great. :-) Godfrey - www.gdgphoto.com On Nov 27, 2008, at 5:49 AM, PN Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the Adorama advertising okay. It's not horribly intrusive, yet it gets noticed by most. I tend to mentally turn off my ad recognition mode when I'm just having fun on the web. When I'm working, on the other hand, I may go looking for ads. But I know how to leave it at the office:-). Paul On Nov 27, 2008, at 6:50 AM, mike wilson wrote: From: PN Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/11/27 Thu AM 01:15:04 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Canadian Meteor If the advertising didn't work, it wouldn't be there. Web advertisers carefully record hits and compare them to sales. I'm not happy with the Adorama ads on photo.net, but I would guess they're working. Newbies who arrive at the site are probably looking for a place to buy equipment. Bingo: Adorama. And the prices are good. So a sale is made. The economy is tough these days. Everyone is struggling to survive. Marketers seize on any edge they can find. Could the Adorama tie-in backfire for photo.net? Possibly. But chances are, it will prove successful. The trick is to find the balance between noticeable, actionable and unintrusive. Right now, it's probably too intrusive, but not by much. It really doesn't bother me. Didn't even notice it at first. Er, but, well - it's an advert. And you are a pro in that world. It's not very _good_ then, is it? - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2008/11/27 David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/27/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the spirit Christine - don't let a hoard of grumpy old men bring down the party! I'm not old... I'm not grumpy... I'm not a man. Wait. What? Thats it, i'm writing a book about PDML.:-) Crying Photographic Game? Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I actually really like a good ad, the problem is most are crap. Here are 2 of my current fave's that are on the TV at the moment: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=j7Z2gKT7B6Yfeature=related http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=_RqrdRqAr1Q Cheers, Dave 2008/11/27 David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ok, i'm going against what seems to be a norm here, and say, i do like to watch TV. HOWEVER, since the invention of reality, yuck, TV, and the infomercial,, i find i am watching far less the past while. I like GOOD sitcoms, those from the 50's and 60's, and to watch hockey, baseball etc. I DO find myself, as soon a a station break comes on, run the gamat of channels until the commercials are over. If i want it i'l;l buy, dispite what Ed McMahon wants me to buy.:-) Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Couple of great ads, but neither would ever make it to TV here in North America. They're insufficiently Politically Correct. -Adam On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 10:04 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually really like a good ad, the problem is most are crap. Here are 2 of my current fave's that are on the TV at the moment: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=j7Z2gKT7B6Yfeature=related http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=_RqrdRqAr1Q Cheers, Dave 2008/11/27 David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ok, i'm going against what seems to be a norm here, and say, i do like to watch TV. HOWEVER, since the invention of reality, yuck, TV, and the infomercial,, i find i am watching far less the past while. I like GOOD sitcoms, those from the 50's and 60's, and to watch hockey, baseball etc. I DO find myself, as soon a a station break comes on, run the gamat of channels until the commercials are over. If i want it i'l;l buy, dispite what Ed McMahon wants me to buy.:-) Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 26, 2008, at 7:45 PM, John Francis wrote: Rather an exaggeration. There are ways to watch TV that don't involve watching a show at the time of broadcast. They're not free, of course (except for shows streamed over the web from the major networks, but those are even worse - the ads come more frequently, and you can't skip over them). I haven't relied on live TV for decades - nowadays I have a couple of TiVos, but before that I used to timewshift using VCRs. And with the TiVos it's loss free - the recorded signal is bit-for-bit identical to the original signal when recording from a digital source (digital cable, over-the-air digital TV, or digital satellite service). Netflix offer streaming video, although not for much current stuff. But if you like to watch old TV shows it's a great adjunct to DVD rental; you don't need to decide what you want to watch a day or two in advance. And if you don't like watching on your computer there are ways to stream it to your TV - the stand-alone Roku unit, and now the Xbox. Both the PS3 and newer TiVo boxes will be getting the capability this month. And there are other providers besides Netflix, although I'm not sure how many of those will work to devices other than a computer. This presumes that you a) want to watch television, b) feel there's enough value there to pay for the equipment, and c) are willing to invest the time to use it. It starts falling apart for me at a). There's only a very few shows that I have any interest in (and *none* of them are sitcoms or so- called reality shows). Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 27, 2008, at 3:55 AM, mike wilson wrote: My next site will have galleries based on flash presentation for a variety of reasons. I fully expect half of PDML will boycott it. Mark! (for the underestimation) LOL ... well, the website obviously isn't intended for the PDML Popularity Contest. That would be a waste of my time. ;-) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Marnie aka Doe Advertising isn't entertainment, unfortunately. Sometimes it is. But you don't need a TV for those. You can usually find the entertaining ones on You Tube. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I won't buy from Adorama either. I'm strictly a BH customer. But a lot of newbies who are thinking about buying a camera for Christmas will sit down at the computer and start looking. Where to start? Maybe www.photo.net . OK, lots of photography stuff. And there's a camera store up there in the corner. Click. I'd bet dollars to donuts that it's working. Photo.net is a great buy for advertisers, because they own that million dollar URL. Paul On Nov 27, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I won't buy from Adorama anyway. Their service isn't great. :-) Godfrey - www.gdgphoto.com On Nov 27, 2008, at 5:49 AM, PN Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the Adorama advertising okay. It's not horribly intrusive, yet it gets noticed by most. I tend to mentally turn off my ad recognition mode when I'm just having fun on the web. When I'm working, on the other hand, I may go looking for ads. But I know how to leave it at the office:-). Paul On Nov 27, 2008, at 6:50 AM, mike wilson wrote: From: PN Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/11/27 Thu AM 01:15:04 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Canadian Meteor If the advertising didn't work, it wouldn't be there. Web advertisers carefully record hits and compare them to sales. I'm not happy with the Adorama ads on photo.net, but I would guess they're working. Newbies who arrive at the site are probably looking for a place to buy equipment. Bingo: Adorama. And the prices are good. So a sale is made. The economy is tough these days. Everyone is struggling to survive. Marketers seize on any edge they can find. Could the Adorama tie-in backfire for photo.net? Possibly. But chances are, it will prove successful. The trick is to find the balance between noticeable, actionable and unintrusive. Right now, it's probably too intrusive, but not by much. It really doesn't bother me. Didn't even notice it at first. Er, but, well - it's an advert. And you are a pro in that world. It's not very _good_ then, is it? - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Those are great. Beer makes a lot of things possible, including good advertising. Paul On Nov 27, 2008, at 10:04 AM, David Savage wrote: I actually really like a good ad, the problem is most are crap. Here are 2 of my current fave's that are on the TV at the moment: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=j7Z2gKT7B6Yfeature=related http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=_RqrdRqAr1Q Cheers, Dave 2008/11/27 David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ok, i'm going against what seems to be a norm here, and say, i do like to watch TV. HOWEVER, since the invention of reality, yuck, TV, and the infomercial,, i find i am watching far less the past while. I like GOOD sitcoms, those from the 50's and 60's, and to watch hockey, baseball etc. I DO find myself, as soon a a station break comes on, run the gamat of channels until the commercials are over. If i want it i'l;l buy, dispite what Ed McMahon wants me to buy.:-) Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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So you won't buy from them, but you think it's a good idea that they strut their stuff as all the novices who go to photo.net might, and that advertising on photo.net is great to further this cause. My opinion: Bleck. HTD! G On Nov 27, 2008, at 8:08 AM, PN Stenquist wrote: I won't buy from Adorama either. I'm strictly a BH customer. But a lot of newbies who are thinking about buying a camera for Christmas will sit down at the computer and start looking. Where to start? Maybe www.photo.net. OK, lots of photography stuff. And there's a camera store up there in the corner. Click. I'd bet dollars to donuts that it's working. Photo.net is a great buy for advertisers, because they own that million dollar URL. On Nov 27, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I won't buy from Adorama anyway. Their service isn't great. :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What's more, they're a lot longer than 30 seconds. Almost no one buys 60s any more. (That being said, half the commercials on my reel are 60s, but I'm a relic:-). I think the political incorrectness would pass muster for some advertisiers. Have you seen the VW commercials that poke fun at a woman for getting pregnant just so she could get a VW minivan? Or the Burger King ad where the guy is infuriated because a fussy woman in a car ahead in the drive through is asking for one little thing after another? (He pushes the offending car out of the way, tires smoking). Both are great ads, and they poke fun at females. And both get it done in thirty seconds, which is quite an achievement. They're both from the same ad agency: Crispin, Porter, Bogdonavich in Miami. A great shop. Of course I'm not sure that either of these commercials run in Canada. Paul On Nov 27, 2008, at 10:18 AM, Adam Maas wrote: Couple of great ads, but neither would ever make it to TV here in North America. They're insufficiently Politically Correct. -Adam On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 10:04 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually really like a good ad, the problem is most are crap. Here are 2 of my current fave's that are on the TV at the moment: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=j7Z2gKT7B6Yfeature=related http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=_RqrdRqAr1Q Cheers, Dave 2008/11/27 David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ok, i'm going against what seems to be a norm here, and say, i do like to watch TV. HOWEVER, since the invention of reality, yuck, TV, and the infomercial,, i find i am watching far less the past while. I like GOOD sitcoms, those from the 50's and 60's, and to watch hockey, baseball etc. I DO find myself, as soon a a station break comes on, run the gamat of channels until the commercials are over. If i want it i'l;l buy, dispite what Ed McMahon wants me to buy.:-) Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I watch sports for the most part. The only series I try not to miss is Boston Legal. It's brilliantly written and has a stellar cast. But I believe this will be its last season. So I may watch only sports:-). Paul On Nov 27, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Nov 26, 2008, at 7:45 PM, John Francis wrote: Rather an exaggeration. There are ways to watch TV that don't involve watching a show at the time of broadcast. They're not free, of course (except for shows streamed over the web from the major networks, but those are even worse - the ads come more frequently, and you can't skip over them). I haven't relied on live TV for decades - nowadays I have a couple of TiVos, but before that I used to timewshift using VCRs. And with the TiVos it's loss free - the recorded signal is bit-for- bit identical to the original signal when recording from a digital source (digital cable, over-the-air digital TV, or digital satellite service). Netflix offer streaming video, although not for much current stuff. But if you like to watch old TV shows it's a great adjunct to DVD rental; you don't need to decide what you want to watch a day or two in advance. And if you don't like watching on your computer there are ways to stream it to your TV - the stand-alone Roku unit, and now the Xbox. Both the PS3 and newer TiVo boxes will be getting the capability this month. And there are other providers besides Netflix, although I'm not sure how many of those will work to devices other than a computer. This presumes that you a) want to watch television, b) feel there's enough value there to pay for the equipment, and c) are willing to invest the time to use it. It starts falling apart for me at a). There's only a very few shows that I have any interest in (and *none* of them are sitcoms or so-called reality shows). Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What, he has your phone number and you're afraid he'll call at some inconvenient time? frank theriault wrote: On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 9:40 AM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, i'm going against what seems to be a norm here, snip There's only one Norm here, and he's been pretty quiet lately and I for one would prefer that it stay that way. Let's just leave him out of it, okay? ;-) cheers, frank -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Do I think it's a good idea? I think this is a free society, and the marketplace is open to all. And, yes, they should make the ad buy that is most likely to help them achieve their goals. Paul On Nov 27, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: So you won't buy from them, but you think it's a good idea that they strut their stuff as all the novices who go to photo.net might, and that advertising on photo.net is great to further this cause. My opinion: Bleck. HTD! G On Nov 27, 2008, at 8:08 AM, PN Stenquist wrote: I won't buy from Adorama either. I'm strictly a BH customer. But a lot of newbies who are thinking about buying a camera for Christmas will sit down at the computer and start looking. Where to start? Maybe www.photo.net. OK, lots of photography stuff. And there's a camera store up there in the corner. Click. I'd bet dollars to donuts that it's working. Photo.net is a great buy for advertisers, because they own that million dollar URL. On Nov 27, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I won't buy from Adorama anyway. Their service isn't great. :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think they'd do fine in Texas, and I bet there are worse in Mexico. Adam Maas wrote: Couple of great ads, but neither would ever make it to TV here in North America. They're insufficiently Politically Correct. -Adam On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 10:04 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually really like a good ad, the problem is most are crap. Here are 2 of my current fave's that are on the TV at the moment: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=j7Z2gKT7B6Yfeature=related http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=_RqrdRqAr1Q Cheers, Dave 2008/11/27 David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ok, i'm going against what seems to be a norm here, and say, i do like to watch TV. HOWEVER, since the invention of reality, yuck, TV, and the infomercial,, i find i am watching far less the past while. I like GOOD sitcoms, those from the 50's and 60's, and to watch hockey, baseball etc. I DO find myself, as soon a a station break comes on, run the gamat of channels until the commercials are over. If i want it i'l;l buy, dispite what Ed McMahon wants me to buy.:-) Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:19 AM, PN Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watch sports for the most part. The only series I try not to miss is Boston Legal. It's brilliantly written and has a stellar cast. But I believe this will be its last season. So I may watch only sports:-). Its the original (Las Vegas) CSI we tend not to miss. Dave Paul On Nov 27, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Nov 26, 2008, at 7:45 PM, John Francis wrote: Rather an exaggeration. There are ways to watch TV that don't involve watching a show at the time of broadcast. They're not free, of course (except for shows streamed over the web from the major networks, but those are even worse - the ads come more frequently, and you can't skip over them). I haven't relied on live TV for decades - nowadays I have a couple of TiVos, but before that I used to timewshift using VCRs. And with the TiVos it's loss free - the recorded signal is bit-for-bit identical to the original signal when recording from a digital source (digital cable, over-the-air digital TV, or digital satellite service). Netflix offer streaming video, although not for much current stuff. But if you like to watch old TV shows it's a great adjunct to DVD rental; you don't need to decide what you want to watch a day or two in advance. And if you don't like watching on your computer there are ways to stream it to your TV - the stand-alone Roku unit, and now the Xbox. Both the PS3 and newer TiVo boxes will be getting the capability this month. And there are other providers besides Netflix, although I'm not sure how many of those will work to devices other than a computer. This presumes that you a) want to watch television, b) feel there's enough value there to pay for the equipment, and c) are willing to invest the time to use it. It starts falling apart for me at a). There's only a very few shows that I have any interest in (and *none* of them are sitcoms or so-called reality shows). Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Damn, those are funny... David Savage wrote: I actually really like a good ad, the problem is most are crap. Here are 2 of my current fave's that are on the TV at the moment: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=j7Z2gKT7B6Yfeature=related http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=_RqrdRqAr1Q Cheers, Dave 2008/11/27 David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ok, i'm going against what seems to be a norm here, and say, i do like to watch TV. HOWEVER, since the invention of reality, yuck, TV, and the infomercial,, i find i am watching far less the past while. I like GOOD sitcoms, those from the 50's and 60's, and to watch hockey, baseball etc. I DO find myself, as soon a a station break comes on, run the gamat of channels until the commercials are over. If i want it i'l;l buy, dispite what Ed McMahon wants me to buy.:-) Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I hear it also makes potential sex partners more attractive. Just wear the goggles ... G On Nov 27, 2008, at 8:12 AM, PN Stenquist wrote: Those are great. Beer makes a lot of things possible, including good advertising. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've seen one or two episodes of Boston Legal while stuck in a motel room and too tired to read. Not bad. I'll pick up the series on DVD. Sports? on TV? Yuck. If I want to watch sports I go to the field or the race track. I catch an occasional motor racing event on the boob tube. Ball sports events on TV put me to sleep, they're more effective than sleeping pills. I prefer amateur sports events anyway ... pro sports is all about selling products and has little to do with what I value in sports. G On Nov 27, 2008, at 8:41 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:19 AM, PN Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watch sports for the most part. The only series I try not to miss is Boston Legal. It's brilliantly written and has a stellar cast. But I believe this will be its last season. So I may watch only sports:-). Its the original (Las Vegas) CSI we tend not to miss. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: David Savage I actually really like a good ad, the problem is most are crap. Here are 2 of my current fave's that are on the TV at the moment: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=j7Z2gKT7B6Yfeature=related http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=_RqrdRqAr1Q You'll never see anything like those on U.S. TV ... for one thing, you're not allowed to show anyone actually drinking beer in the commercials on U.S. TV. Here, all you get is the GIECO gecko. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've seen one or two episodes of Boston Legal while stuck in a motel room and too tired to read. Not bad. I'll pick up the series on DVD. Sports? on TV? Yuck. If I want to watch sports I go to the field or the race track. To see a live Leaf game here in Toronto, one needs to sell a kidney or other vital organ, just to get nose bleed seats. I prefer to pee over going to the arena.:-) Dave I catch an occasional motor racing event on the boob tube. Ball sports events on TV put me to sleep, they're more effective than sleeping pills. I prefer amateur sports events anyway ... pro sports is all about selling products and has little to do with what I value in sports. G On Nov 27, 2008, at 8:41 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:19 AM, PN Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watch sports for the most part. The only series I try not to miss is Boston Legal. It's brilliantly written and has a stellar cast. But I believe this will be its last season. So I may watch only sports:-). Its the original (Las Vegas) CSI we tend not to miss. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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David J Brooks wrote: On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've seen one or two episodes of Boston Legal while stuck in a motel room and too tired to read. Not bad. I'll pick up the series on DVD. Sports? on TV? Yuck. If I want to watch sports I go to the field or the race track. To see a live Leaf game here in Toronto, one needs to sell a kidney or other vital organ, just to get nose bleed seats. I prefer to pee over going to the arena.:-) Dave What? Hell Dave, you only _need_ /one/ kidney. I catch an occasional motor racing event on the boob tube. Ball sports events on TV put me to sleep, they're more effective than sleeping pills. I prefer amateur sports events anyway ... pro sports is all about selling products and has little to do with what I value in sports. G On Nov 27, 2008, at 8:41 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:19 AM, PN Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watch sports for the most part. The only series I try not to miss is Boston Legal. It's brilliantly written and has a stellar cast. But I believe this will be its last season. So I may watch only sports:-). Its the original (Las Vegas) CSI we tend not to miss. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 26/11/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: the next time I'm in England, I hope I can buy you a pint and toast A pint and a pie would be better - yes I know, those silly Brits and their warm beer, 'n shit ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 26/11/08, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: Sure, Mr. AllMyTextIsWeenieLittleGifsThatAreImp ossibleToReadOnaBigMonitorButThat'sFineBecauseIuseAMacAndThatMakesMeSpecial. LOL Love it. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 07:53:51AM -0800, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Nov 26, 2008, at 7:45 PM, John Francis wrote: Rather an exaggeration. There are ways to watch TV that don't involve watching a show at the time of broadcast. They're not free, of course (except for shows streamed over the web from the major networks, but those are even worse - the ads come more frequently, and you can't skip over them). I haven't relied on live TV for decades - nowadays I have a couple of TiVos, but before that I used to timewshift using VCRs. And with the TiVos it's loss free - the recorded signal is bit-for-bit identical to the original signal when recording from a digital source (digital cable, over-the-air digital TV, or digital satellite service). Netflix offer streaming video, although not for much current stuff. But if you like to watch old TV shows it's a great adjunct to DVD rental; you don't need to decide what you want to watch a day or two in advance. And if you don't like watching on your computer there are ways to stream it to your TV - the stand-alone Roku unit, and now the Xbox. Both the PS3 and newer TiVo boxes will be getting the capability this month. And there are other providers besides Netflix, although I'm not sure how many of those will work to devices other than a computer. This presumes that you a) want to watch television, b) feel there's enough value there to pay for the equipment, and c) are willing to invest the time to use it. It starts falling apart for me at a). There's only a very few shows that I have any interest in (and *none* of them are sitcoms or so-called reality shows). Well, obviously. And if your idea of the TV universe is limited to the realm of sitcoms or reality shows then it probably isn't worth it to you. (Not that *all* sitcoms are bad - I do watch How I Met Your Mother). Other people have already mentioned a couple of the good drama shows (the original CSI, Boston Legal). There's a whole bunch more, too. I don't watch much sports - none, really, except for motorsports and cycling (and the Americas Cup when it comes around). But that's still only just scratching the surface. And if you want independent, up-to- the minute news coverage that isn't filtered through blinkers there's not really a lot of choice other than TV (and not the big networks). As for equipment costs - I've paid a lot less for my TiVos, etc., than I have just on digital camera bodies, and I certainly use them more. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yea, they're great. But do they sell, er, whatever they're advertising...? I actually really like a good ad, the problem is most are crap. Here are 2 of my current fave's that are on the TV at the moment: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=j7Z2gKT7B6Yfeature=related http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=_RqrdRqAr1Q Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 27, 2008, at 11:23 AM, John Francis wrote: ... Well, obviously. And if your idea of the TV universe is limited to the realm of sitcoms or reality shows then it probably isn't worth it to you. It isn't, trust me. There's a lot of good stuff out there. There's a far greater amount of garbage, unfortunately. Some of the news services, the science and indie film channels, etc, are interesting to me. Most of the network stuff is marketing/ advertising pap ... what isn't I can get through NetFlix as I mentioned previously. The TiVo, DVR, etc equipment costs, the services that make them useful mean a payment every month. Basic service costs about $50/month ... my service is about $75 a month, or $900 a year. That means, to me, that I have to ask myself ... is the additional stuff on the tube worth the cost of a new K20D body plus a lens every year? Plus one or two Limited lenses the first year? That I'd pay for it? Answer for me is no. I don't have the time or inclination to sit in front of a television very often. And I shut it off when the advertising is annoying. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Happily, I have zero interest in seeing a Leaf game. The local Little Leaguer games, however, are no end of amusement and it costs nothing to go watch a game. Godfrey On Nov 27, 2008, at 10:25 AM, David J Brooks wrote: To see a live Leaf game here in Toronto, one needs to sell a kidney or other vital organ, just to get nose bleed seats. I prefer to pee over going to the arena.:-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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But I was raised on pro sports. Travelled to Comiskey Park with my buds in 1958 when I was ten years old to watch Mickey Mantle strike out three times as the White Sox beat the Yankees, Then I bit my nails all summer long as the Sox fought for the pennant in 1959. I was there when the Bears beat the Giants and Y. A. Tittle for the NFL championship in 1963. Sports have always been a part of my life. Through college, grad school and work. It's a way to get away from it all. And I'm thankful that modern technology allows me to watch all the White Sox and Bears games here in Michigan. Paul PS: You will like Boston Legal. It's a cut above conventional television and right up there with the best of films. On Nov 27, 2008, at 12:06 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I've seen one or two episodes of Boston Legal while stuck in a motel room and too tired to read. Not bad. I'll pick up the series on DVD. Sports? on TV? Yuck. If I want to watch sports I go to the field or the race track. I catch an occasional motor racing event on the boob tube. Ball sports events on TV put me to sleep, they're more effective than sleeping pills. I prefer amateur sports events anyway ... pro sports is all about selling products and has little to do with what I value in sports. G On Nov 27, 2008, at 8:41 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:19 AM, PN Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watch sports for the most part. The only series I try not to miss is Boston Legal. It's brilliantly written and has a stellar cast. But I believe this will be its last season. So I may watch only sports:-). Its the original (Las Vegas) CSI we tend not to miss. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Happily, I have zero interest in seeing a Leaf game. As I. You can get a ticket for the farm team s low as $10.00. We tend to go see those ones.:-) Stouffville is hockey central, and lots of little fellows play. Good games, for free. Dave The local Little Leaguer games, however, are no end of amusement and it costs nothing to go watch a game. Godfrey On Nov 27, 2008, at 10:25 AM, David J Brooks wrote: To see a live Leaf game here in Toronto, one needs to sell a kidney or other vital organ, just to get nose bleed seats. I prefer to pee over going to the arena.:-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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True. You can't show anyone actually consuming alcohol. But you can watch them contemplating it:-). Paul On Nov 27, 2008, at 12:43 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: David Savage I actually really like a good ad, the problem is most are crap. Here are 2 of my current fave's that are on the TV at the moment: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=j7Z2gKT7B6Yfeature=related http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=_RqrdRqAr1Q You'll never see anything like those on U.S. TV ... for one thing, you're not allowed to show anyone actually drinking beer in the commercials on U.S. TV. Here, all you get is the GIECO gecko. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 1:33 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David J Brooks wrote: To see a live Leaf game here in Toronto, one needs to sell a kidney or other vital organ, just to get nose bleed seats. I prefer to pee over going to the arena.:-) Dave What? Hell Dave, you only _need_ /one/ kidney. I have switch over to drinking Bush, from Labatts Blue. I NEED both for that brew.:-) Dave I catch an occasional motor racing event on the boob tube. Ball sports events on TV put me to sleep, they're more effective than sleeping pills. I prefer amateur sports events anyway ... pro sports is all about selling products and has little to do with what I value in sports. G On Nov 27, 2008, at 8:41 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:19 AM, PN Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watch sports for the most part. The only series I try not to miss is Boston Legal. It's brilliantly written and has a stellar cast. But I believe this will be its last season. So I may watch only sports:-). Its the original (Las Vegas) CSI we tend not to miss. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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But John, no matter how you slice it, TV just isn't PC. Paul On Nov 27, 2008, at 2:23 PM, John Francis wrote: On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 07:53:51AM -0800, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Nov 26, 2008, at 7:45 PM, John Francis wrote: Rather an exaggeration. There are ways to watch TV that don't involve watching a show at the time of broadcast. They're not free, of course (except for shows streamed over the web from the major networks, but those are even worse - the ads come more frequently, and you can't skip over them). I haven't relied on live TV for decades - nowadays I have a couple of TiVos, but before that I used to timewshift using VCRs. And with the TiVos it's loss free - the recorded signal is bit-for- bit identical to the original signal when recording from a digital source (digital cable, over-the-air digital TV, or digital satellite service). Netflix offer streaming video, although not for much current stuff. But if you like to watch old TV shows it's a great adjunct to DVD rental; you don't need to decide what you want to watch a day or two in advance. And if you don't like watching on your computer there are ways to stream it to your TV - the stand-alone Roku unit, and now the Xbox. Both the PS3 and newer TiVo boxes will be getting the capability this month. And there are other providers besides Netflix, although I'm not sure how many of those will work to devices other than a computer. This presumes that you a) want to watch television, b) feel there's enough value there to pay for the equipment, and c) are willing to invest the time to use it. It starts falling apart for me at a). There's only a very few shows that I have any interest in (and *none* of them are sitcoms or so- called reality shows). Well, obviously. And if your idea of the TV universe is limited to the realm of sitcoms or reality shows then it probably isn't worth it to you. (Not that *all* sitcoms are bad - I do watch How I Met Your Mother). Other people have already mentioned a couple of the good drama shows (the original CSI, Boston Legal). There's a whole bunch more, too. I don't watch much sports - none, really, except for motorsports and cycling (and the Americas Cup when it comes around). But that's still only just scratching the surface. And if you want independent, up-to- the minute news coverage that isn't filtered through blinkers there's not really a lot of choice other than TV (and not the big networks). As for equipment costs - I've paid a lot less for my TiVos, etc., than I have just on digital camera bodies, and I certainly use them more. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yeah, a PC is much more entertaining to watch. ];-) G On Nov 27, 2008, at 1:44 PM, PN Stenquist wrote: But John, no matter how you slice it, TV just isn't PC. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: David J Brooks On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've seen one or two episodes of Boston Legal while stuck in a motel room and too tired to read. Not bad. I'll pick up the series on DVD. Sports? on TV? Yuck. If I want to watch sports I go to the field or the race track. To see a live Leaf game here in Toronto, one needs to sell a kidney or other vital organ, just to get nose bleed seats. I prefer to pee over going to the arena.:-) Dave Tickets for any live event is a travesty. There used to be laws against scalping, but now it seems like the leagues, the teams, the concert promoters, the theaters, other venues sell ONLY too the scalpers to get kickbacks on the inflated prices. Fuck 'em. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Bob W Yea, they're great. But do they sell, er, whatever they're advertising...? I actually really like a good ad, the problem is most are crap. Here are 2 of my current fave's that are on the TV at the moment: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=j7Z2gKT7B6Yfeature=related http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=_RqrdRqAr1Q You might have a point there. Getting Australians to drink beer could be a bit of an uphill battle. OTOH, here's one that doesn't leave doubt what it's selling and it's still entertaining: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv5U0W8FDDk -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You might have a point there. Getting Australians to drink beer could be a bit of an uphill battle. OTOH, here's one that doesn't leave doubt what it's selling and it's still entertaining: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv5U0W8FDDk Awesome! I do like funny adverts, and the Aussies and the British seem to do it best. That one definitely wants to get you to drink beer, but it's not particularly clear which beer. If I was a client I'm not sure I'd be pleased about that. As a demographic though I don't give a toss which beer they're selling, I'm happy just to enjoy the joke. The best ads I ever saw were around the football ground in Billy the Fish. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't mind the warm ales such. I quite liked the beer/ale etc when I was last in London. My husband drank Directors when last there--I Guinness. We did a lot of drinking at the Museum Tavern at end of a long day of sight-seeing. I have fond memories of the Russell Square area. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 8:47 AM Subject: Re: OT - Canadian Meteor On 26/11/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: the next time I'm in England, I hope I can buy you a pint and toast A pint and a pie would be better - yes I know, those silly Brits and their warm beer, 'n shit ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Okay. But my real point was that none of the photo sites are perfect. [...] i just didn't like the recommendation that PDML members refrain from posting on photo.net. I've been there for a long time, and I intend to stay there. Paul I wasn't complaining about advertising as such, I was complaining about the particularly annoying type of advertising that photo.net is showing at the moment. I dislike advertising intensely at the best of times. More often than not it's visual pollution and thinly disguised lying, but I'm enough of a realist to know it's not going away, and advertising per se won't necessarily drive me away from a site. However I don't have to put up with annoying animations winking in the corner of my eye. The fact that a site is able to attract advertising is an indication of its success, not its failure. That may be so, but when the advertising starts to drive people away, who wins? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W. You need a cause or something to crusade for...maybe global warming? This problem with Photo.net advertising seems to petty to merit your attention. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 2:47 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay. But my real point was that none of the photo sites are perfect. [...] i just didn't like the recommendation that PDML members refrain from posting on photo.net. I've been there for a long time, and I intend to stay there. Paul I wasn't complaining about advertising as such, I was complaining about the particularly annoying type of advertising that photo.net is showing at the moment. I dislike advertising intensely at the best of times. More often than not it's visual pollution and thinly disguised lying, but I'm enough of a realist to know it's not going away, and advertising per se won't necessarily drive me away from a site. However I don't have to put up with annoying animations winking in the corner of my eye. The fact that a site is able to attract advertising is an indication of its success, not its failure. That may be so, but when the advertising starts to drive people away, who wins? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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As you pointed out previously, photo.net members see a lot less advertising. So that's obviously a critical difference in perception. I'm hanging around on photo.net, but I'm also turning more to my own sites to market my photography. I have a virtual tour site up and running, although it's not complete, and I'm working on a wedding site. Of course to make them work, I'll have to buy advertising. No smiley. But targeted web advertising is a bargain. That's why we see so much of it. BTW, thanks again for the help with the panos. You were right. 800K .mov files are quite adequate for my purposes. Paul On Nov 26, 2008, at 6:40 AM, David Savage wrote: Before the recent Photo.net site redesign I would have agreed with all of what you just said, but since they implemented banner advertising on every bloody page it crawls in comparison to the old layout. I used to love browsing photo.net, but not any more. I used to hate Flickr, but once you really start using it the +'s outweigh it's -'s. Cheers, Dave 2008/11/26 PN Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The curl over ads don't bother me. They go away immediately. Advertising is good. It pays bills. I love advertising. I far prefer photo.net to flickr. Much nicer presentation, much faster, much more available information. But I would appreciate it if the rest of you would stop using flickr:-). Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Before the recent Photo.net site redesign I would have agreed with all of what you just said, but since they implemented banner advertising on every bloody page it crawls in comparison to the old layout. I used to love browsing photo.net, but not any more. I used to hate Flickr, but once you really start using it the +'s outweigh it's -'s. Cheers, Dave 2008/11/26 PN Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The curl over ads don't bother me. They go away immediately. Advertising is good. It pays bills. I love advertising. I far prefer photo.net to flickr. Much nicer presentation, much faster, much more available information. But I would appreciate it if the rest of you would stop using flickr:-). Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob Sullivan wrote: You need a cause or something to crusade for...maybe global warming? This problem with Photo.net advertising seems to petty to merit your attention. Maybe Bob W and I could start a crusade to rid the world of those pinheaded little know-it-alls developing web pages out there who set the font sizes in exact numbers of pixels, because, of course, they know exactly how big that will end up on /my/ screen. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The default search on flickr.com is for the string you enter in search associated with *photos* in flickr.com. If you click on search, click on people, then enter my name and hit the search button, you get me. Calling up Flickr.com, I get just ONE advertisement on the opening page. Even without logging into an account, once you're past that, there are NO other stinkin' advertisements. On every photo.net page, there are one, two, or four animated advertisements. A similar search for Paul Stenquist in the search box on Photo.net, without changing the search domain, produces a variety of books from Amazon.com where the name Paul is in the description. And then the page hangs on the second click due to the crappy animated advertising junk. UNLESS you pay for the service and then you are graciously allowed to only have to pass through one or two pages of them. It's all about advertising now, something which I despise having thrust in my face at every available opportunity. And it's buggy. At least the erroneous hits using the front page search button on Flickr have something to do with me. ];-) Godfrey On Nov 25, 2008, at 4:51 PM, PN Stenquist wrote: I don't know. The startup page for flickr is a mess, what with the Nikon ads and the high school art direction. And if I search for Godfrey DiGiorgi. I get My world in B@ by SmilingMonk and a.k.a. Evangelism by Tim Holmes. Hmmm. But to each his own. Paul On Nov 25, 2008, at 7:38 PM, PN Stenquist wrote: The curl over ads don't bother me. They go away immediately. Advertising is good. It pays bills. I love advertising. I far prefer photo.net to flickr. Much nicer presentation, much faster, much more available information. But I would appreciate it if the rest of you would stop using flickr:-). Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Doug Franklin wrote: Maybe Bob W and I could start a crusade to rid the world of those pinheaded little know-it-alls developing web pages out there who set the font sizes in exact numbers of pixels, because, of course, they know exactly how big that will end up on /my/ screen. Count me in on that crusade! (All students in my web development course are *required* to specify font sizes in relative measurements, not fixed sizes.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 26, 2008, at 10:26 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Doug Franklin wrote: Maybe Bob W and I could start a crusade to rid the world of those pinheaded little know-it-alls developing web pages out there who set the font sizes in exact numbers of pixels, because, of course, they know exactly how big that will end up on /my/ screen. Count me in on that crusade! (All students in my web development course are *required* to specify font sizes in relative measurements, not fixed sizes.) I'll join you in this crusade as long as you also join me in visiting every eatery and SMASHING the television screens that adorn half the wall space so I can't sit and eat a meal, have a conversation, enjoy a drink without a STUPID pile of television advertising in my face constantly. I no longer frequent any establishment that does this kind of crap. If there's only one television at a pub, fine ... I pick a seat from which I cannot see it. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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When I search Paul Stenquist on photo.net's all of photo.net search selection, I get more than a hundred references to my photography, starting with my portfolios and moving on to comments I've made. I do get a link to a book that I authored and that Amazon sells. but that's due to an Amazon search buy. You apparently searched Adorama store. I've never experienced buggy behavior on photo.net. But as I said, to each his own. Paul On Nov 26, 2008, at 1:22 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The default search on flickr.com is for the string you enter in search associated with *photos* in flickr.com. If you click on search, click on people, then enter my name and hit the search button, you get me. Calling up Flickr.com, I get just ONE advertisement on the opening page. Even without logging into an account, once you're past that, there are NO other stinkin' advertisements. On every photo.net page, there are one, two, or four animated advertisements. A similar search for Paul Stenquist in the search box on Photo.net, without changing the search domain, produces a variety of books from Amazon.com where the name Paul is in the description. And then the page hangs on the second click due to the crappy animated advertising junk. UNLESS you pay for the service and then you are graciously allowed to only have to pass through one or two pages of them. It's all about advertising now, something which I despise having thrust in my face at every available opportunity. And it's buggy. At least the erroneous hits using the front page search button on Flickr have something to do with me. ];-) Godfrey On Nov 25, 2008, at 4:51 PM, PN Stenquist wrote: I don't know. The startup page for flickr is a mess, what with the Nikon ads and the high school art direction. And if I search for Godfrey DiGiorgi. I get My world in B@ by SmilingMonk and a.k.a. Evangelism by Tim Holmes. Hmmm. But to each his own. Paul On Nov 25, 2008, at 7:38 PM, PN Stenquist wrote: The curl over ads don't bother me. They go away immediately. Advertising is good. It pays bills. I love advertising. I far prefer photo.net to flickr. Much nicer presentation, much faster, much more available information. But I would appreciate it if the rest of you would stop using flickr:-). Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What a wonderful world this would be if there were no advertising, no commerce. We'd all be dirt farmers living off the land. Hmmm. I'll pass. On Nov 26, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Nov 26, 2008, at 10:26 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Doug Franklin wrote: Maybe Bob W and I could start a crusade to rid the world of those pinheaded little know-it-alls developing web pages out there who set the font sizes in exact numbers of pixels, because, of course, they know exactly how big that will end up on /my/ screen. Count me in on that crusade! (All students in my web development course are *required* to specify font sizes in relative measurements, not fixed sizes.) I'll join you in this crusade as long as you also join me in visiting every eatery and SMASHING the television screens that adorn half the wall space so I can't sit and eat a meal, have a conversation, enjoy a drink without a STUPID pile of television advertising in my face constantly. I no longer frequent any establishment that does this kind of crap. If there's only one television at a pub, fine ... I pick a seat from which I cannot see it. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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As I said, without changing the [default] search domain. Just as you did with flickr.com. Photo.net's stupid page turning animation makes it difficult to hit even the sign in/sign out button occasionally. And pages often hang in loading, due to a bug in the inset animations that has not yet been resolved (according to one of their managers/moderators, Josh Root). G On Nov 26, 2008, at 10:44 AM, PN Stenquist wrote: When I search Paul Stenquist on photo.net's all of photo.net search selection, I get more than a hundred references to my photography, starting with my portfolios and moving on to comments I've made. I do get a link to a book that I authored and that Amazon sells. but that's due to an Amazon search buy. You apparently searched Adorama store. I've never experienced buggy behavior on photo.net. But as I said, to each his own. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I didn't say no advertising, no commerce. I said I do not want stupid, obnoxious advertising crap thrust in my face every minute of every waking hour of the day. Seems to me that there were plenty of happy, healthy people living in the world prior to mass media advertising being thrust in the face of everyone constantly. I'd like to be one of them, and could stand living without a bazillion stupid things I don't need and will never want clamoring for my attention. Yes, what a wonderful world that would be. Godfrey On Nov 26, 2008, at 10:46 AM, PN Stenquist wrote: What a wonderful world this would be if there were no advertising, no commerce. We'd all be dirt farmers living off the land. Hmmm. I'll pass. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Godfrey, You should be able to avoid the TV's. Many customers, eating by themselves, enjoy the entertainment. But you should be able to choose. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't say no advertising, no commerce. I said I do not want stupid, obnoxious advertising crap thrust in my face every minute of every waking hour of the day. Seems to me that there were plenty of happy, healthy people living in the world prior to mass media advertising being thrust in the face of everyone constantly. I'd like to be one of them, and could stand living without a bazillion stupid things I don't need and will never want clamoring for my attention. Yes, what a wonderful world that would be. Godfrey On Nov 26, 2008, at 10:46 AM, PN Stenquist wrote: What a wonderful world this would be if there were no advertising, no commerce. We'd all be dirt farmers living off the land. Hmmm. I'll pass. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have a cause - to rid the world of advertising. I'm putting double-page spreads in all the national dailies tomorrow, and having a poster campaign to announce it to the world and ask people to rally to the cause. Bob Bob W. You need a cause or something to crusade for...maybe global warming? This problem with Photo.net advertising seems to petty to merit your attention. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 2:47 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay. But my real point was that none of the photo sites are perfect. [...] i just didn't like the recommendation that PDML members refrain from posting on photo.net. I've been there for a long time, and I intend to stay there. Paul I wasn't complaining about advertising as such, I was complaining about the particularly annoying type of advertising that photo.net is showing at the moment. I dislike advertising intensely at the best of times. More often than not it's visual pollution and thinly disguised lying, but I'm enough of a realist to know it's not going away, and advertising per se won't necessarily drive me away from a site. However I don't have to put up with annoying animations winking in the corner of my eye. The fact that a site is able to attract advertising is an indication of its success, not its failure. That may be so, but when the advertising starts to drive people away, who wins? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yea, right. Because advertising is what brought about the Enlightenment, the Renaissance, the Age of Reason, Newtonian and Einsteinian physics, Darwinism, Shakespeare, Goethe, Mozart (maybe!) and Ken Rockwell. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of PN Stenquist Sent: 26 November 2008 18:47 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT - Canadian Meteor What a wonderful world this would be if there were no advertising, no commerce. We'd all be dirt farmers living off the land. Hmmm. I'll pass. On Nov 26, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Nov 26, 2008, at 10:26 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Doug Franklin wrote: Maybe Bob W and I could start a crusade to rid the world of those pinheaded little know-it-alls developing web pages out there who set the font sizes in exact numbers of pixels, because, of course, they know exactly how big that will end up on /my/ screen. Count me in on that crusade! (All students in my web development course are *required* to specify font sizes in relative measurements, not fixed sizes.) I'll join you in this crusade as long as you also join me in visiting every eatery and SMASHING the television screens that adorn half the wall space so I can't sit and eat a meal, have a conversation, enjoy a drink without a STUPID pile of television advertising in my face constantly. I no longer frequent any establishment that does this kind of crap. If there's only one television at a pub, fine ... I pick a seat from which I cannot see it. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks Bob. Yes, I want a choice. Advertising isn't entertainment, unfortunately. I hardly watch television any more ... I rent television series I find interesting on DVD and watch them sans commercials. It's the only way to see the stories and not be interrupted with advertising bs. I also arrive 20 minutes late to movies now so as to miss the commercials that take up a third of an hour before they start showing the film I paid for. I see no reason to pay in order to let advertising reach me. G On Nov 26, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Godfrey, You should be able to avoid the TV's. Many customers, eating by themselves, enjoy the entertainment. But you should be able to choose. Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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HAR! On Nov 26, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Bob W wrote: I have a cause - to rid the world of advertising. I'm putting double- page spreads in all the national dailies tomorrow, and having a poster campaign to announce it to the world and ask people to rally to the cause. Bob Bob W. You need a cause or something to crusade for...maybe global warming? This problem with Photo.net advertising seems to petty to merit your attention. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 2:47 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay. But my real point was that none of the photo sites are perfect. [...] i just didn't like the recommendation that PDML members refrain from posting on photo.net. I've been there for a long time, and I intend to stay there. Paul I wasn't complaining about advertising as such, I was complaining about the particularly annoying type of advertising that photo.net is showing at the moment. I dislike advertising intensely at the best of times. More often than not it's visual pollution and thinly disguised lying, but I'm enough of a realist to know it's not going away, and advertising per se won't necessarily drive me away from a site. However I don't have to put up with annoying animations winking in the corner of my eye. The fact that a site is able to attract advertising is an indication of its success, not its failure. That may be so, but when the advertising starts to drive people away, who wins? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 26/11/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: I also arrive 20 minutes late to movies now so as to miss the commercials that take up a third of an hour before they start showing the film I paid for. I see no reason to pay in order to let advertising reach me. And i'll bet you bring a bag of your own popcorn from home ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Bob. Yes, I want a choice. Advertising isn't entertainment, unfortunately. I hardly watch television any more ... I rent television series I find interesting on DVD and watch them sans commercials. It's the only way to see the stories and not be interrupted with advertising bs. I also arrive 20 minutes late to movies now so as to miss the commercials that take up a third of an hour before they start showing the film I paid for. I see no reason to pay in order to let advertising reach me. I'm with you. My partner and I have a television, but we don't have cable and with our rabbit ears the few channels we pick up are snowy and not worth the strain to watch. We exclusively use our TV to watch DVDs and tapes, most of them from that most incredible of resources: The Public Library! Mind you we in Toronto are blessed with an amazing public library system. Apparently it has the most branches and books per capita in North America. -f -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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PN Stenquist wrote: What a wonderful world this would be if there were no advertising, no commerce. We'd all be dirt farmers living off the land. Hmmm. I'll pass. I couldn't give a crap about the TV advertising, just go somewhere else. In general, that's how I deal with the font sizes in pixels crowd on the web, too. Where it really chaps my hide is on the intranet at work. I keep lodging defects against it and they keep ignoring them. But it's hurting their satisfaction numbers, because I make sure they don't get closed, so their defect count just goes up. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have no idea what you're talking about, but I'm probably guilty:-). Paul On Nov 26, 2008, at 4:35 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: PN Stenquist wrote: What a wonderful world this would be if there were no advertising, no commerce. We'd all be dirt farmers living off the land. Hmmm. I'll pass. I couldn't give a crap about the TV advertising, just go somewhere else. In general, that's how I deal with the font sizes in pixels crowd on the web, too. Where it really chaps my hide is on the intranet at work. I keep lodging defects against it and they keep ignoring them. But it's hurting their satisfaction numbers, because I make sure they don't get closed, so their defect count just goes up. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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PN Stenquist wrote: I have no idea what you're talking about, but I'm probably guilty:-). Paul On Nov 26, 2008, at 4:35 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: I couldn't give a crap about the TV advertising, just go somewhere else. In general, that's how I deal with the font sizes in pixels crowd on the web, too. Where it really chaps my hide is on the intranet at work. I keep lodging defects against it and they keep ignoring them. But it's hurting their satisfaction numbers, because I make sure they don't get closed, so their defect count just goes up. Sorry, geek speak. The internal network at work is organized as an intranet, which means it uses regular Internet technology, like web servers, to do it's job. So, a bunch of the developers for internal applications, which I have no choice but use, stupidly specify the font sizes for text (and other sizes, too) in pixels, instead of in relative terms, like eM spaces, eN spaces, etc. So, they are extremely hard to use on high resolution systems, like the 1600x1200 systems I use at work. They keep trying to fob me off with lower your screen resolution. Which I won't do, because it dramatically increases my eyestrain. If they don't watch it, I'll throw the dreaded ADA keyword at them. Maybe EEO, too, as I'm over 40. ;-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 26, 2008, at 1:13 PM, Cotty wrote: On 26/11/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: I also arrive 20 minutes late to movies now so as to miss the commercials that take up a third of an hour before they start showing the film I paid for. I see no reason to pay in order to let advertising reach me. And i'll bet you bring a bag of your own popcorn from home ;-) Nah. I don't snack while watching a film ... I like to concentrate on seeing the film. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 26, 2008, at 1:18 PM, frank theriault wrote: ... We exclusively use our TV to watch DVDs and tapes, most of them from that most incredible of resources: The Public Library! Mind you we in Toronto are blessed with an amazing public library system. Apparently it has the most branches and books per capita in North America. Sunnyvale has a good library too, but they're short on video titles (lots of good audio titles, however!). I subscribe to NetFlix ... they have an enormous library of titles. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 26/11/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: Nah. I don't snack while watching a film ... I like to concentrate on seeing the film. Depends on the kind of film - ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 26, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Cotty wrote: On 26/11/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: Nah. I don't snack while watching a film ... I like to concentrate on seeing the film. Depends on the kind of film - ;-) That's true. Some simply provide an opportunity to take a nap in a darkened public place. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 26, 2008, at 13:09, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: As I said, without changing the [default] search domain. Just as you did with flickr.com. Photo.net's stupid page turning animation makes it difficult to hit even the sign in/sign out button occasionally. And pages often hang in loading, due to a bug in the inset animations that has not yet been resolved (according to one of their managers/moderators, Josh Root). With adblock plus, all I had to do was click on the flash tag which was superimposed over that page thingie, and told it to block that silliness. Problem solved! Of course, I'm sure it's CAUSED problems here and there for me, but... sure makes for some very clean web pages. I'll live with its quirks :-) -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: OT - Canadian Meteor Godfrey, You should be able to avoid the TV's. Many customers, eating by themselves, enjoy the entertainment. But you should be able to choose. Around here, the choice is to say home. It seems like every establishment I've been in over the past few years, with the exception of the fast food or fine dining, have decided that multiple television sets playing various blood sports is the way to attract clients. I now choose to stay home. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 26, 2008, at 3:15 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: With adblock plus, all I had to do was click on the flash tag which was superimposed over that page thingie, and told it to block that silliness. Problem solved! Of course, I'm sure it's CAUSED problems here and there for me, but... sure makes for some very clean web pages. I'll live with its quirks I refuse to compromise the operation of my system. I just avoid places that annoy me, and vote for their success with my wallet: I don't give them money. ;-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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As a photo.net user, I have to admit I was a bit startled when I discovered the Adorama page-turner ad when posting some pics recently--and I admit to a moment of impatience when I noticed it--but it didn't last very long, I now know how to avoid the turning page. Moreover, I'm hoping to use the Lightroom web page module to start posting pics. I haven't learned that yet, I like the look, I want to learn something new and do something different. My photo.net subscription should be ending really soon, so it might be a good time to learn the Lightroom web page module, but it's also the case, where I might use both tools. But having said all that, I was a little shocked at the suggestion of avoiding PESOs GESOs that are posted on photo.net, and here's why: A good many of you good PDML folks have been friends for a really long time, right? You've been supporting, encouraging ( teasing :-)), teaching, coaching, and offering tips to each other so freely--so generously--that to make this kind of suggestion seems, well, unneighborly and, well, out-of-character of the general good nature friendship of the list. Folks use tools that are available to them and fit their photographic work-flow. Admittedly, some of those tools come with ad banners page turners, but is this annoyance so great that it justifies boycotting long-time PDML folks (who use photo.net) who've given so much to the list and with whom you've formed online (or skin bones :-)) friendships with? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a photo.net user, I have to admit I was a bit startled when I discovered the Adorama page-turner ad when posting some pics recently--and I admit to a moment of impatience when I noticed it--but it didn't last very long, I now know how to avoid the turning page. Moreover, I'm hoping to use the Lightroom web page module to start posting pics. I haven't learned that yet, I like the look, I want to learn something new and do something different. My photo.net subscription should be ending really soon, so it might be a good time to learn the Lightroom web page module, but it's also the case, where I might use both tools. But having said all that, I was a little shocked at the suggestion of avoiding PESOs GESOs that are posted on photo.net, and here's why: A good many of you good PDML folks have been friends for a really long time, right? You've been supporting, encouraging ( teasing :-)), teaching, coaching, and offering tips to each other so freely--so generously--that to make this kind of suggestion seems, well, unneighborly and, well, out-of-character of the general good nature friendship of the list. Folks use tools that are available to them and fit their photographic work-flow. Admittedly, some of those tools come with ad banners page turners, but is this annoyance so great that it justifies boycotting long-time PDML folks (who use photo.net) who've given so much to the list and with whom you've formed online (or skin bones :-)) friendships with? I'll note that PESO's and GESO's are the only two things that will get me over to photo.net these days. I've always found the site to have extremely poor performance, likely because it's off in the wilderness somewhere off XO.net and it's ad-infested to an annoying degree. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 26/11/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: I was a little shocked at the suggestion of avoiding PESOs GESOs that are posted on photo.net, and here's why: A good many of you good PDML folks have been friends for a really long time, right? You've been supporting, encouraging ( teasing :-)), teaching, coaching, and offering tips to each other so freely--so generously--that to make this kind of suggestion seems, well, unneighborly and, well, out-of-character of the general good nature friendship of the list. Folks use tools that are available to them and fit their photographic work-flow. Admittedly, some of those tools come with ad banners page turners, but is this annoyance so great that it justifies boycotting long-time PDML folks (who use photo.net) who've given so much to the list and with whom you've formed online (or skin bones :-)) friendships with? That's the spirit Christine - don't let a hoard of grumpy old men bring down the party! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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As a photo.net user, I have to admit I was a bit startled when I discovered the Adorama page-turner ad when posting some pics recently--and I admit to a moment of impatience when I noticed it--but it didn't last very long, I now know how to avoid the turning page. that kind of sums it up though, doesn't it. You avoid turning the page. This means that you have to think about how where you're moving your mouse when you're on that page, which seriously compromises usability and enjoyment. If I'm on the page to look at your photos I shouldn't have to be thinking about the traps I need to avoid. And since we're avoiding the ads they've become self-defeating. This means the site host doesn't get the revenue, the advertiser doesn't get the click-throughs, and the viewer doesn't get the full pleasure of your site. So what's the point of the ads? Moreover, I'm hoping to use the Lightroom web page module to start posting pics. It's extremely easy. To use a recently-prevalent 'persuader' that is popping up everywhere in the bullshit corporate propaganda my senior management sends out This is the right thing to do. All you need is a decent web host. You put the ftp details into LR once, and that's it. My host costs me about £25 per year. I get 100 Mb of webspace and a zillion email addresses. [...] But having said all that, I was a little shocked at the suggestion of avoiding PESOs GESOs that are posted on photo.net, and [...] but is this annoyance so great that it justifies boycotting long-time PDML folks (who use photo.net) who've given so much to the list and with whom you've formed online (or skin bones :-)) friendships with? Well, I haven't actually boycotted it yet. But some things are so annoying that when I'm on a website and they crop up, I just click out. A prime example of this was on Salon, which regularly hosted excellent galleries by Magnum photographers. But they started having an advert which featured an animated fly, buzzing loudly. There was no way I was able to put up with that, however good the photos were, so I stopped visiting the site, and I haven't been back since. The photo.net ads are only marginally less annoying - at least they don't come with sound. Why don't these people learn? Don't they test people's reactions to their to their stupid, sophomoric ideas? The first lessons in user interface design are: Don't piss off your user; don't put animations on the screen; don't use sound unless it's easy to turn it off. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
