Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
Egad. How truly awful! Marnie aka Doe I WANT one! Heh. In a message dated 9/13/2012 3:03:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pixelsmi...@gmail.com writes: Cory I believe this is the camera you are describing: http://photojojo.com/store/awesomeness/iphone-slr-mount/ Sadly, available in Canon or Nikon flavors only. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
Plus you would have to design a DSLR that wouldn't look ridiculous holding up to your ear. PLUS to just have cell phone, you'd have to carry your PENTANICANON with you all the time. (Not a bad thing, but burdensome) There's a simple solution to all those problems: http://nbbehring.photoshelter.com/image/I8xLtObykv3A B -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Joseph McAllister Sent: 13 September 2012 00:18 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that? On Sep 12, 2012, at 13:53 , Cory Waters wrote: Still shooting with the K10 here. K5 was attractive but I haven't been shooting enough to justify ANOTHER thousand dollar camera. When I bought the used I decided it was the last PS camera I'd buy because my phone takes decent pictures and the ease of sharing with the network is just a killer feature. So now the K-5II. And the question: Is the face that it's a specialized tool offset the fact that it doesn't connect to the internet? Another way: Do i ever want another camera that doesn't have network capability? I don't know yet. Is it silly that I can buy a phone for so little that DOES share photos and a camera for so much that doesn't? Hell yes. I mean, what are 90% of us doing with any of these photos anyway? Could CanNikon and the rest NOT really understand this? Because we are not dealing with the expense of film, it may seem like a good way to go. But the monthly charges entailed in having a phone embedded in the camera would be an ongoing expense of several hundred dollars a month. Plus you would have to design a DSLR that wouldn't look ridiculous holding up to your ear. PLUS to just have cell phone, you'd have to carry your PENTANICANON with you all the time. (Not a bad thing, but burdensome) Got the picture? Addendum - if the PENTAX had a built in WiFi, and your iPhone talked to it, you would only be carrying the camera when needed. Try making a short USB Pentax cable with one of those WiFi SD cards hanging out of the camera data door, talking to your iPhone, which in turn was connected to the Internet, and YouTube! There (should be) an APP for that! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
John Francis wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 05:07:51PM -0400, Cory Waters wrote: But wouldn't it be nice, in the world of shared data plans, to add your camera to your account and have it upload your shots to some cloud vault during your shoot? You'd have all your crap photos backed-up in case you drop your card in the lake... And if, by chance you actually take a photo you're proud of, you COULD share it with the world That brilliant photograph you decide to share with the world after a long evening getting accquainted with fruit (or grain) byproducts might not seem quite so wise in the cold (and sober) light of morning. There's a lot to be said for *not* uploading anything for at least 24 hours. I generally put a photo on line until at least a month, and sometimes up to a year, after its taken. It takes time before one is able to objectively judge ones own work. I seem to recall there was a very famous photographer who wouldn't even look at his contact sheets until a year after he'd shot the film. ANyone remember who it was? -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote: On 2012-09-12 19:12, Bruce Walker wrote: I don't think this is yet practical. Assuming the camera has built-in Verizon 4G LTE, and you shoot 400 RAWs in one outing, your camera will be pushing files up to the cloud for more than 50 minutes. I'd be happy enough with 802.11b/g, or especially /n, to a server running on a laptop, if the camera would opportunistically send files over as continuously as possible. I have no idea how much power that requires as compared to the power consumed by the rest of the camera system. The Eye-Fi cards will do this. They do eat up some power but I haven't noticed the drain myself, though at least one other PDMLer finds it excessive. The low effective transfer rate and high latency make sending real-time RAWs impractical for me though. I think the puny CPU in the chip can't handle efficient TCP/IP so it takes 15 seconds or more to send a single K20D RAW (8 Mb) and a K-5 RAW would be awful (25 Mb). I use it to send low-rez JPEG previews instead and that works reasonably well. If you don't need real-time, the card works fine; just slower than the available bandwidth would imply. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
On 2012-09-13 8:51, Bruce Walker wrote: The low effective transfer rate and high latency make sending real-time RAWs impractical for me though. I think the puny CPU in the chip can't handle efficient TCP/IP so it takes 15 seconds or more to send a single K20D RAW (8 Mb) and a K-5 RAW would be awful (25 Mb). Yeah, I'm guessing the silicon in the camera is just about exactly the right size to support the imaging mission, with little or nothing left over to support the download mission. For me, though, it wouldn't be terrible. I don't need full real time. The trick for me would be the interaction between opportunistic downloading and me needing to switch cards because I just filled one up. -- Doug Lefty Franklin NutDriver Racing http://NutDriver.org Facebook NutDriver Racing Sponsored by Murphy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Cory Waters cbwaters.p...@gmail.com wrote: Still shooting with the K10 here. K5 was attractive but I haven't been shooting enough to justify ANOTHER thousand dollar camera. When I bought the used I decided it was the last PS camera I'd buy because my phone takes decent pictures and the ease of sharing with the network is just a killer feature. So now the K-5II. And the question: Is the face that it's a specialized tool offset the fact that it doesn't connect to the internet? Another way: Do i ever want another camera that doesn't have network capability? I don't know yet. Is it silly that I can buy a phone for so little that DOES share photos and a camera for so much that doesn't? Hell yes. I mean, what are 90% of us doing with any of these photos anyway? Could CanNikon and the rest NOT really understand this? Cory I believe this is the camera you are describing: http://photojojo.com/store/awesomeness/iphone-slr-mount/ Sadly, available in Canon or Nikon flavors only. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts I generally put a photo on line until at least a month, and sometimes up to a year, after its taken. It takes time before one is able to objectively judge ones own work. I seem to recall there was a very famous photographer who wouldn't even look at his contact sheets until a year after he'd shot the film. ANyone remember who it was? Cartier-Bresson used to ship the film back from wherever he was and carry on travelling, so he wouldn't see the contacts until he returned to Paris, which could be months after he shot the film. But this must have been true of many photographers back then. National Geographic photographers used to have to phone in on a regular basis so that their editor could tell them whether or not they had the shot, and if not to keep blasting away. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
Still shooting with the K10 here. K5 was attractive but I haven't been shooting enough to justify ANOTHER thousand dollar camera. When I bought the used I decided it was the last PS camera I'd buy because my phone takes decent pictures and the ease of sharing with the network is just a killer feature. So now the K-5II. And the question: Is the face that it's a specialized tool offset the fact that it doesn't connect to the internet? Another way: Do i ever want another camera that doesn't have network capability? I don't know yet. Is it silly that I can buy a phone for so little that DOES share photos and a camera for so much that doesn't? Hell yes. I mean, what are 90% of us doing with any of these photos anyway? Could CanNikon and the rest NOT really understand this? Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 9/12/12 5:02 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Apparently, I'm in that 10% minority not having enough a reason for suddenly polluting the world with each and any piece of crap I take... Dario i just post the crap I like. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Oh Dario, I didn't say anything about posting EVERYthing to the public, did I? But wouldn't it be nice, in the world of shared data plans, to add your camera to your account and have it upload your shots to some cloud vault during your shoot? You'd have all your crap photos backed-up in case you drop your card in the lake... And if, by chance you actually take a photo you're proud of, you COULD share it with the world On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Apparently, I'm in that 10% minority not having enough a reason for suddenly polluting the world with each and any piece of crap I take... Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Apparently, I'm in that 10% minority not having enough a reason for suddenly polluting the world with each and any piece of crap I take... Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Cory Waters Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:53 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that? Still shooting with the K10 here. K5 was attractive but I haven't been shooting enough to justify ANOTHER thousand dollar camera. When I bought the used I decided it was the last PS camera I'd buy because my phone takes decent pictures and the ease of sharing with the network is just a killer feature. So now the K-5II. And the question: Is the face that it's a specialized tool offset the fact that it doesn't connect to the internet? Another way: Do i ever want another camera that doesn't have network capability? I don't know yet. Is it silly that I can buy a phone for so little that DOES share photos and a camera for so much that doesn't? Hell yes. I mean, what are 90% of us doing with any of these photos anyway? Could CanNikon and the rest NOT really understand this? Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2012.0.2221 / Database dei virus: 2437/5264 - Data di rilascio: 12/09/2012 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 12, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Cory Waters cbwaters.p...@gmail.com wrote: Oh Dario, I didn't say anything about posting EVERYthing to the public, did I? But wouldn't it be nice, in the world of shared data plans, to add your camera to your account and have it upload your shots to some cloud vault during your shoot? You'd have all your crap photos backed-up in case you drop your card in the lake... I would love a cloud vault option to be used during a shoot--especially good during travel. And I'd like the cloud vault linked to Lightroom so I could down load the RAW files right into my Lightroom library. Now that would be cool. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
Hi Cory, I was referring neither to your precise wording nor to PDML in particular, but rather to a general tendency to share far more pics than you (I) can withstand via Flickr/Facebook/Instagram/whatevernewfashionsocialblob... Oh, yeah, I'm probably just tired of being working 15 hours a day for the last two weeks... forgive me. Dario (back to work) -Messaggio originale- From: Cory Waters Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:07 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that? Oh Dario, I didn't say anything about posting EVERYthing to the public, did I? But wouldn't it be nice, in the world of shared data plans, to add your camera to your account and have it upload your shots to some cloud vault during your shoot? You'd have all your crap photos backed-up in case you drop your card in the lake... And if, by chance you actually take a photo you're proud of, you COULD share it with the world On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Apparently, I'm in that 10% minority not having enough a reason for suddenly polluting the world with each and any piece of crap I take... Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2012.0.2221 / Database dei virus: 2437/5264 - Data di rilascio: 12/09/2012 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
About that cloud vault, I won't say it's bad (actually I think it's a good idea), but it isn't high in my priorities, sure not enough for being a must when purchasing a camera. One next day I could change my mind on this, but now a better AF/metering/whatever photo-related is much more important to me (in a camera). Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Cory Waters Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:07 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that? Oh Dario, I didn't say anything about posting EVERYthing to the public, did I? But wouldn't it be nice, in the world of shared data plans, to add your camera to your account and have it upload your shots to some cloud vault during your shoot? You'd have all your crap photos backed-up in case you drop your card in the lake... And if, by chance you actually take a photo you're proud of, you COULD share it with the world On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Apparently, I'm in that 10% minority not having enough a reason for suddenly polluting the world with each and any piece of crap I take... Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2012.0.2221 / Database dei virus: 2437/5264 - Data di rilascio: 12/09/2012 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
on 2012-09-12 14:53 Cory Waters wrote Another way: Do i ever want another camera that doesn't have network capability? unless the network connectivity is faster than the SD slot in the side of my compturer, i don't have a strong desire for a wireless connection in a camera I mean, what are 90% of us doing with any of these photos anyway? the photos i take with my phone are almost all notes with a short time of importance; i do share them, but rarely manipulate them the photos i take with my camera are sometimes notes, and there perhaps a network connection would make a difference, but the vast majority of these photos i need to see on a larger display to classify and possibly manipulate; and very few of these do i share anyway -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
On 12 September 2012 16:53, Cory Waters cbwaters.p...@gmail.com wrote: Still shooting with the K10 here. K5 was attractive but I haven't been shooting enough to justify ANOTHER thousand dollar camera. When I bought the used I decided it was the last PS camera I'd buy because my phone takes decent pictures and the ease of sharing with the network is just a killer feature. So now the K-5II. And the question: Is the face that it's a specialized tool offset the fact that it doesn't connect to the internet? Another way: Do i ever want another camera that doesn't have network capability? I don't know yet. Is it silly that I can buy a phone for so little that DOES share photos and a camera for so much that doesn't? Hell yes. I mean, what are 90% of us doing with any of these photos anyway? Could CanNikon and the rest NOT really understand this? Cory Thom Hogan has been arguing in favour of connectivity for a couple of years now. Sony and Samsung are finally starting to equip mirrorless cameras with WiFi so I expect it will take a few years still for it to trickle up to DSLRs. I expect Sony to be the first (if they haven't already done it on the A99; I don't know, I haven't checked; and yes, I know it's not a DSLR but it's in the same size and purpose category). I would expect Pentax to be the last to incorporate this feature. As for me, I find that I like sharing snapshots from my phone with the Social Interwebs. As for my real photography, I need to let it simmer in my hard drive before I pound it into BW and eventually upload it to my website. Of course, I often take snapshots with my real camera and would like to upload them, but can't. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: On Sep 12, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Cory Waters cbwaters.p...@gmail.com wrote: Oh Dario, I didn't say anything about posting EVERYthing to the public, did I? But wouldn't it be nice, in the world of shared data plans, to add your camera to your account and have it upload your shots to some cloud vault during your shoot? You'd have all your crap photos backed-up in case you drop your card in the lake... I would love a cloud vault option to be used during a shoot--especially good during travel. And I'd like the cloud vault linked to Lightroom so I could down load the RAW files right into my Lightroom library. Now that would be cool. Cheers, Christine I don't think this is yet practical. Assuming the camera has built-in Verizon 4G LTE, and you shoot 400 RAWs in one outing, your camera will be pushing files up to the cloud for more than 50 minutes. If you don't have the fastest service presently available, considerably longer. This will likely deplete your battery, by the way. You'd have plenty of time to drop your camera in the lake. :-) - an 8 Megabyte RAW is 64 megabits - Verizon 4G LTE uploads at 6.46 megabits/sec average http://www.bgr.com/2012/06/19/verizons-4g-lte-network-outperforms-att/ -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
On Sep 12, 2012, at 13:53 , Cory Waters wrote: Still shooting with the K10 here. K5 was attractive but I haven't been shooting enough to justify ANOTHER thousand dollar camera. When I bought the used I decided it was the last PS camera I'd buy because my phone takes decent pictures and the ease of sharing with the network is just a killer feature. So now the K-5II. And the question: Is the face that it's a specialized tool offset the fact that it doesn't connect to the internet? Another way: Do i ever want another camera that doesn't have network capability? I don't know yet. Is it silly that I can buy a phone for so little that DOES share photos and a camera for so much that doesn't? Hell yes. I mean, what are 90% of us doing with any of these photos anyway? Could CanNikon and the rest NOT really understand this? Because we are not dealing with the expense of film, it may seem like a good way to go. But the monthly charges entailed in having a phone embedded in the camera would be an ongoing expense of several hundred dollars a month. Plus you would have to design a DSLR that wouldn't look ridiculous holding up to your ear. PLUS to just have cell phone, you'd have to carry your PENTANICANON with you all the time. (Not a bad thing, but burdensome) Got the picture? Addendum - if the PENTAX had a built in WiFi, and your iPhone talked to it, you would only be carrying the camera when needed. Try making a short USB Pentax cable with one of those WiFi SD cards hanging out of the camera data door, talking to your iPhone, which in turn was connected to the Internet, and YouTube! There (should be) an APP for that! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 12, 2012, at 6:12 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: On Sep 12, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Cory Waters cbwaters.p...@gmail.com wrote: Oh Dario, I didn't say anything about posting EVERYthing to the public, did I? But wouldn't it be nice, in the world of shared data plans, to add your camera to your account and have it upload your shots to some cloud vault during your shoot? You'd have all your crap photos backed-up in case you drop your card in the lake... I would love a cloud vault option to be used during a shoot--especially good during travel. And I'd like the cloud vault linked to Lightroom so I could down load the RAW files right into my Lightroom library. Now that would be cool. Cheers, Christine I don't think this is yet practical. Assuming the camera has built-in Verizon 4G LTE, and you shoot 400 RAWs in one outing, your camera will be pushing files up to the cloud for more than 50 minutes. If you don't have the fastest service presently available, considerably longer. This will likely deplete your battery, by the way. You'd have plenty of time to drop your camera in the lake. :-) - an 8 Megabyte RAW is 64 megabits - Verizon 4G LTE uploads at 6.46 megabits/sec average http://www.bgr.com/2012/06/19/verizons-4g-lte-network-outperforms- It's a dream, Bruce, that I hope some day comes true--that is, we'll have the technology to greatly trim that 50 minute wait down to a few minutes wait. Just a wishful dream. Cheers, Christine -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 9/12/2012 5:07 PM, Doug Brewer wrote: On 9/12/12 5:02 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Apparently, I'm in that 10% minority not having enough a reason for suddenly polluting the world with each and any piece of crap I take... Dario i just post the crap I like. Hell, at least half the time I don't even post the crap I like, because... Well because it's kind of embarrassing that I like it. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:53 PM, Cory Waters wrote: Still shooting with the K10 here. K5 was attractive but I haven't been shooting enough to justify ANOTHER thousand dollar camera. When I bought the used I decided it was the last PS camera I'd buy because my phone takes decent pictures and the ease of sharing with the network is just a killer feature. So now the K-5II. And the question: Is the face that it's a specialized tool offset the fact that it doesn't connect to the internet? Another way: Do i ever want another camera that doesn't have network capability? Raw files on the K5 are about 25MB, if you have 25Mb wireless service (i.e. monopolizing 802.11) that's about ten seconds per file to upload. I don't know yet. Is it silly that I can buy a phone for so little that DOES share photos and a camera for so much that doesn't? Hell yes. I mean, what are 90% of us doing with any of these photos anyway? I don't know about you, but I shoot in raw, upload to a real computer, and despite appearances, throw out the vast majority of my frames. I then go through and process those photos to bring them up to acceptable standards. One big reason for my 25 year hiatus from active photography was the lack of ability to process them the way I want. I certainly don't want to dick around trying to process the photos on my camera with its tiny processor and tiny screen. Could CanNikon and the rest NOT really understand this? I suppose that it would be a good feature for people who buy a DSLR and use it like a point and shoot. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 12, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: On Sep 12, 2012, at 13:53 , Cory Waters wrote: Still shooting with the K10 here. K5 was attractive but I haven't been shooting enough to justify ANOTHER thousand dollar camera. When I bought the used I decided it was the last PS camera I'd buy because my phone takes decent pictures and the ease of sharing with the network is just a killer feature. So now the K-5II. And the question: Is the face that it's a specialized tool offset the fact that it doesn't connect to the internet? Another way: Do i ever want another camera that doesn't have network capability? I don't know yet. Is it silly that I can buy a phone for so little that DOES share photos and a camera for so much that doesn't? Hell yes. I mean, what are 90% of us doing with any of these photos anyway? Could CanNikon and the rest NOT really understand this? Because we are not dealing with the expense of film, it may seem like a good way to go. But the monthly charges entailed in having a phone embedded in the camera would be an ongoing expense of several hundred dollars a month. Plus you would have to design a DSLR that wouldn't look ridiculous holding up to your ear. PLUS to just have cell phone, you'd have to carry your PENTANICANON with you all the time. (Not a bad thing, but burdensome) http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57502333-94/samsung-bets-on-android-powered-networked-camera/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Christine Aguila wrote: On Sep 12, 2012, at 6:12 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this is yet practical. Assuming the camera has built-in Verizon 4G LTE, and you shoot 400 RAWs in one outing, your camera will be pushing files up to the cloud for more than 50 minutes. If you don't have the fastest service presently available, considerably longer. This will likely deplete your battery, by the way. You'd have plenty of time to drop your camera in the lake. :-) - an 8 Megabyte RAW is 64 megabits - Verizon 4G LTE uploads at 6.46 megabits/sec average http://www.bgr.com/2012/06/19/verizons-4g-lte-network-outperforms- It's a dream, Bruce, that I hope some day comes true--that is, we'll have the technology to greatly trim that 50 minute wait down to a few minutes wait. Just a wishful dream. Cheers, Christine It will remain a dream: By that time we'll be shooting raw files that are a lot bigger than used in Bruce's calculations above, which will cancel out the increase in bandwidth. :-) (Personally, I have zero interest in an SLR with a network link. That's what phone cams are for.) -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:33 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/12/2012 5:07 PM, Doug Brewer wrote: On 9/12/12 5:02 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Apparently, I'm in that 10% minority not having enough a reason for suddenly polluting the world with each and any piece of crap I take... Dario i just post the crap I like. Hell, at least half the time I don't even post the crap I like, because... Well because it's kind of embarrassing that I like it. Suddenly, I have a desire to see this possibly kinky stuff. :-) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com But the monthly charges entailed in having a phone embedded in the camera would be an ongoing expense of several hundred dollars a month. Plus you would have to design a DSLR that wouldn't look ridiculous holding up to your ear. PLUS to just have cell phone, you'd have to carry your PENTANICANON with you all the time. (Not a bad thing, but burdensome) Got the picture? But WHAT IF, the camera phone was shaped like a shoe with a rotary dial??? That would be smart! get it? Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 9/12/2012 8:29 PM, Tom C wrote: From: Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com But the monthly charges entailed in having a phone embedded in the camera would be an ongoing expense of several hundred dollars a month. Plus you would have to design a DSLR that wouldn't look ridiculous holding up to your ear. PLUS to just have cell phone, you'd have to carry your PENTANICANON with you all the time. (Not a bad thing, but burdensome) Got the picture? But WHAT IF, the camera phone was shaped like a shoe with a rotary dial??? That would be smart! get it? Tom C. So you'd be the first to get [the] smart phone? -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2012-09-12 19:12, Bruce Walker wrote: I don't think this is yet practical. Assuming the camera has built-in Verizon 4G LTE, and you shoot 400 RAWs in one outing, your camera will be pushing files up to the cloud for more than 50 minutes. I'd be happy enough with 802.11b/g, or especially /n, to a server running on a laptop, if the camera would opportunistically send files over as continuously as possible. I have no idea how much power that requires as compared to the power consumed by the rest of the camera system. -- Doug Lefty Franklin NutDriver Racing http://NutDriver.org Facebook NutDriver Racing Sponsored by Murphy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: But WHAT IF, the camera phone was shaped like a shoe with a rotary dial??? That would be smart! get it? To: Pentax Marketing Dept. This pic: http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/2360/Get-Smart-get-smart-original-series-23604583-300-400.jpg With the catch phrase: Get Smart, Get Pentax (Missed it by THAT much!) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I would rather have an ethernet port that could be plugged into an external wifi or phone modem. In theory USB 3 could do something similar. Or a bidirectional optical port with a pair if IREDs and detecters. Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote: On 2012-09-12 19:12, Bruce Walker wrote: I don't think this is yet practical. Assuming the camera has built-in Verizon 4G LTE, and you shoot 400 RAWs in one outing, your camera will be pushing files up to the cloud for more than 50 minutes. I'd be happy enough with 802.11b/g, or especially /n, to a server running on a laptop, if the camera would opportunistically send files over as continuously as possible. I have no idea how much power that requires as compared to the power consumed by the rest of the camera system. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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i just post the crap I like. Yo Mark! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com Subject: Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that? On 9/12/12 5:02 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Apparently, I'm in that 10% minority not having enough a reason for suddenly polluting the world with each and any piece of crap I take... Dario i just post the crap I like. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: But WHAT IF, the camera phone was shaped like a shoe with a rotary dial??? That would be smart! get it? To: Pentax Marketing Dept. This pic: http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/2360/Get-Smart-get-smart-original-series-23604583-300-400.jpg With the catch phrase: Get Smart, Get Pentax (Missed it by THAT much!) You got it! The day may come, if man's system continues long enough, that cameras will become extinct. We see it. We record it. We store it. We process it (however that may be). The human brain is by far the greatest computer ever created, barring physical knowledge of others. These artifices we use now may become completely passe. Tom C. (yes I realize most of you will think this is the weirdest thing I ever said). Think about it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 05:07:51PM -0400, Cory Waters wrote: But wouldn't it be nice, in the world of shared data plans, to add your camera to your account and have it upload your shots to some cloud vault during your shoot? You'd have all your crap photos backed-up in case you drop your card in the lake... And if, by chance you actually take a photo you're proud of, you COULD share it with the world That brilliant photograph you decide to share with the world after a long evening getting accquainted with fruit (or grain) byproducts might not seem quite so wise in the cold (and sober) light of morning. There's a lot to be said for *not* uploading anything for at least 24 hours. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
