subject:"Thumbs up or down\?"

I met Josh White once, at The Gate of Horn - he broke my friend anitra's 
acoustic guitar I was told earlier - so that was the conversation starter.
I knew Bill Broonzy, and Jack Elliot's brother was a friend of mine.. 
but I never met Jack.  Yes, right on about the Kingston trio.

ann

On 5/5/2020 3:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Odetta!  One of my all-time favorites.

I was a folk music snob in college.  Baez and Dylan were "Pop" 
singers, ripping off the real folk artists:  Woody Guthrie, Cisco 
Houston, Ledbelly, Odetta, Blind Lemon Jefferson, Josh White, Ramblin' 
Jack Elliot, and the Carter Family.  Pete Seeger, Harry Belefonte, and 
The Weavers also were accepted, even though they had gone 
"commercial."  The Kingston Trio?  Fogettaboutit!

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On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 3:11 PM ann sanfedele > wrote:

my super star folk singer that I actually had on my show was Odetta.
Bob G stood me up :-( - probably because I had just gotten married
when
I had the show. hehe.
How lovely you got to interview Baez and Pete!

ann

On 5/5/2020 2:30 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> Hey, Ann, I also had a folk music show on my college radio station.
> Never interviewed a piper, but did get to participate in
interviews of
> Pete Seeger and Joan Baez. Joan brought I young lad with her,
who said
> nothing.  I later realized it was Bob Dylan, and I missed my
chance to
> talk to him while Joanie was blathering away.
>
> BTW, there is a great book about college radio:
>
>

https://smile.amazon.com/College-Radio-Days-Broadcasting-Dartmouth/dp/0615893201/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1=College+Radio=1588597432=books=1-3

>
>
>
> Dan Matyola
> *https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery*
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 2:03 PM ann sanfedele mailto:ann...@nyc.rr.com>
> >> wrote:
>
>     Mike - in 1958 I interviewed a bagpiper named George Armstrong..
>     on my
>     college radio folk music show..  I met him because his wife
was a
>     cousin of
>     my best friend and she arranged it... He played what he
called was an
>     rehersal instrument.. the stick without the bag on it :-)
>     ann
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I couldn't remember that name "chanter" .. thanks for mentioning that.

ann

On 5/5/2020 2:53 PM, mike wilson wrote:

It's normal to use just the chanter to learn a tune or practice fingering.  The 
full instrument is designed for outdoor use.  Preferably a fight, where they 
excel at rallying the troops and frightening the enemy.  I much prefer the 
smallpipes for their pleasant tone - plus you can sing as you play.


On 05 May 2020 at 19:03 ann sanfedele  wrote:


Mike - in 1958 I interviewed a bagpiper named George Armstrong.. on my
college radio folk music show..  I met him because his wife was a cousin of
my best friend and she arranged it... He played what he called was an
rehersal instrument.. the stick without the bag on it :-)
ann


On 5/5/2020 12:32 PM, mike wilson wrote:

On 05 May 2020 at 16:56 ann sanfedele  wrote:


I love bagpipes and banjos - though I'd prefer not to hear a full
bagpipe in an enclosed space..

Playing the war pipes indoors is a pastime invented by heathens to patronise 
sassenach tourists.

The small pipes are for indoor playing.


(folky moi)
ann

On 5/5/2020 10:57 AM, John wrote:

On 5/5/2020 00:31:36, Larry Colen wrote:

On May 4, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Paul Stenquist
 wrote:

I agree. HDR is a tool that enables artistic expression.

Arguably so are bag pipes, banjos and accordions.



I saw a jazz band in New Orleans once that had all three.



Just as a painter can resort to a pallet knife in lieu of a brush, a
photographer can employ different tools to achieve an effect. I like
the shot you singled out.



On May 4, 2020, at 2:38 PM, John  wrote:

On 5/3/2020 14:56:50, Toine wrote:

What's the wisdom of the list on this:
https://stuckincustoms.smugmug.com/
I think some or most are overdone in post editing. Most if not all
are hdr's
Toine

Some of them are good. Some of them are awesome.

HDR is Ok if you can do it so it's not obviously HDR, but even the
ones that are obviously HDR are a style ... even if they're not
quite to my taste.

I was particularly drawn to this one:

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-RQ76Wtw/0/4K/i-RQ76Wtw-4K.jpg

Notice what he's using to fish with ...

When I got the chance to go to China, one of the things we did was
a cruise down the Li River and I saw many boats like this one. And
my one regret from that trip was the photo of the man with a pole
across his shoulder with two Cormorants sitting on it.

I regret it, because it's the photo I absolutely missed that I
should have gotten.

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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

Odetta!  One of my all-time favorites.

I was a folk music snob in college.  Baez and Dylan were "Pop" singers,
ripping off the real folk artists:  Woody Guthrie, Cisco Houston, Ledbelly,
Odetta, Blind Lemon Jefferson, Josh White, Ramblin' Jack Elliot, and the
Carter Family.  Pete Seeger, Harry Belefonte, and The Weavers also were
accepted, even though they had gone "commercial."  The Kingston Trio?
Fogettaboutit!

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On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 3:11 PM ann sanfedele  wrote:

> my super star folk singer that I actually had on my show was Odetta.
> Bob G stood me up :-( - probably because I had just gotten married when
> I had the show. hehe.
> How lovely you got to interview Baez and Pete!
>
> ann
>
> On 5/5/2020 2:30 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> > Hey, Ann, I also had a folk music show on my college radio station.
> > Never interviewed a piper, but did get to participate in interviews of
> > Pete Seeger and Joan Baez. Joan brought I young lad with her, who said
> > nothing.  I later realized it was Bob Dylan, and I missed my chance to
> > talk to him while Joanie was blathering away.
> >
> > BTW, there is a great book about college radio:
> >
> >
> https://smile.amazon.com/College-Radio-Days-Broadcasting-Dartmouth/dp/0615893201/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1=College+Radio=1588597432=books=1-3
> >
> >
> >
> > Dan Matyola
> > *https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery*
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 2:03 PM ann sanfedele  > > wrote:
> >
> > Mike - in 1958 I interviewed a bagpiper named George Armstrong..
> > on my
> > college radio folk music show..  I met him because his wife was a
> > cousin of
> > my best friend and she arranged it... He played what he called was an
> > rehersal instrument.. the stick without the bag on it :-)
> > ann
> >
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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-05 Thread Ken Waller



> I agree. HDR is a tool that enables artistic expression.
>Arguably so are bag pipes, banjos and accordions. 

Same as a scream or a yell.


-Original Message-
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>> On May 4, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> 
>> I agree. HDR is a tool that enables artistic expression.
>
>Arguably so are bag pipes, banjos and accordions. 
>
>
>> Just as a painter can resort to a pallet knife in lieu of a brush, a 
>> photographer can employ different tools to achieve an effect. I like the 
>> shot you singled out. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2020, at 2:38 PM, John  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 5/3/2020 14:56:50, Toine wrote:
>>>> What's the wisdom of the list on this:
>>>> https://stuckincustoms.smugmug.com/
>>>> I think some or most are overdone in post editing. Most if not all are 
>>>> hdr's
>>>> Toine
>>> 
>>> Some of them are good. Some of them are awesome.
>>> 
>>> HDR is Ok if you can do it so it's not obviously HDR, but even the ones 
>>> that are obviously HDR are a style ... even if they're not quite to my 
>>> taste.
>>> 
>>> I was particularly drawn to this one:
>>> 
>>> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-RQ76Wtw/0/4K/i-RQ76Wtw-4K.jpg
>>> 
>>> Notice what he's using to fish with ...
>>> 
>>> When I got the chance to go to China, one of the things we did was a cruise 
>>> down the Li River and I saw many boats like this one. And my one regret 
>>> from that trip was the photo of the man with a pole across his shoulder 
>>> with two Cormorants sitting on it.
>>> 
>>> I regret it, because it's the photo I absolutely missed that I should have 
>>> gotten.
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Re: Thumbs up or down?

my super star folk singer that I actually had on my show was Odetta.
Bob G stood me up :-( - probably because I had just gotten married when
I had the show. hehe.

How lovely you got to interview Baez and Pete!

ann

On 5/5/2020 2:30 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
Hey, Ann, I also had a folk music show on my college radio station.
Never interviewed a piper, but did get to participate in interviews of
Pete Seeger and Joan Baez. Joan brought I young lad with her, who said
nothing. I later realized it was Bob Dylan, and I missed my chance to
talk to him while Joanie was blathering away.

BTW, there is a great book about college radio:

https://smile.amazon.com/College-Radio-Days-Broadcasting-Dartmouth/dp/0615893201/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1=College+Radio=1588597432=books=1-3

Dan Matyola
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On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 2:03 PM ann sanfedele > wrote:

Mike - in 1958 I interviewed a bagpiper named George Armstrong..
on my
college radio folk music show.. I met him because his wife was a
cousin of
my best friend and she arranged it... He played what he called was an
rehersal instrument.. the stick without the bag on it :-)
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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

Hey, Ann, I also had a folk music show on my college radio station.  Never
interviewed a piper, but did get to participate in interviews of Pete
Seeger and Joan Baez.  Joan brought I young lad with her, who said
nothing.  I later realized it was Bob Dylan, and I missed my chance to talk
to him while Joanie was blathering away.

BTW, there is a great book about college radio:

https://smile.amazon.com/College-Radio-Days-Broadcasting-Dartmouth/dp/0615893201/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1=College+Radio=1588597432=books=1-3

Dan Matyola
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On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 2:03 PM ann sanfedele  wrote:

> Mike - in 1958 I interviewed a bagpiper named George Armstrong.. on my
> college radio folk music show..  I met him because his wife was a cousin of
> my best friend and she arranged it... He played what he called was an
> rehersal instrument.. the stick without the bag on it :-)
> ann
>
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I got a snap of you two in the fake Italian place..

I can't remember what I cooked for you.. some kind of chicken I imagine

what a lovely time we had

ann

On 5/5/2020 12:49 PM, Bill wrote:

On 5/5/2020 10:00 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:
I wonder how many thought that the photo actually was your living 
room :-)


You did have a working kitchen, I cooked you dinner one night!

ann


Yes you did, and delicious, it was. The meal I remembered was the one 
at that little pseudo Italian place that was run by a Syrian 
expatriate. I think you liked the food well enough, but you were very 
dismissive of the decor.


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Mike - in 1958 I interviewed a bagpiper named George Armstrong.. on my 
college radio folk music show..  I met him because his wife was a cousin of
my best friend and she arranged it... He played what he called was an 
rehersal instrument.. the stick without the bag on it :-)

ann


On 5/5/2020 12:32 PM, mike wilson wrote:

On 05 May 2020 at 16:56 ann sanfedele  wrote:


I love bagpipes and banjos - though I'd prefer not to hear a full
bagpipe in an enclosed space..

Playing the war pipes indoors is a pastime invented by heathens to patronise 
sassenach tourists.

The small pipes are for indoor playing.


(folky moi)
ann

On 5/5/2020 10:57 AM, John wrote:

On 5/5/2020 00:31:36, Larry Colen wrote:



On May 4, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Paul Stenquist
 wrote:

I agree. HDR is a tool that enables artistic expression.

Arguably so are bag pipes, banjos and accordions.



I saw a jazz band in New Orleans once that had all three.



Just as a painter can resort to a pallet knife in lieu of a brush, a
photographer can employ different tools to achieve an effect. I like
the shot you singled out.



On May 4, 2020, at 2:38 PM, John  wrote:

On 5/3/2020 14:56:50, Toine wrote:

What's the wisdom of the list on this:
https://stuckincustoms.smugmug.com/
I think some or most are overdone in post editing. Most if not all
are hdr's
Toine

Some of them are good. Some of them are awesome.

HDR is Ok if you can do it so it's not obviously HDR, but even the
ones that are obviously HDR are a style ... even if they're not
quite to my taste.

I was particularly drawn to this one:

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-RQ76Wtw/0/4K/i-RQ76Wtw-4K.jpg

Notice what he's using to fish with ...

When I got the chance to go to China, one of the things we did was
a cruise down the Li River and I saw many boats like this one. And
my one regret from that trip was the photo of the man with a pole
across his shoulder with two Cormorants sitting on it.

I regret it, because it's the photo I absolutely missed that I
should have gotten.

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and then there is the Far Side cartoon.. easy to google...

"welcome to heaven, here is your harp" / "wecome to Hell, here is your 
accordion"


but listen to my friend (long since passed away) Bob Gibson , you banjo 
bashers - playing a Flaminco piece on his banjo..


from his 1956 album Off-beat Folk songs..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt8k6HsHncc

ann


On 5/5/2020 12:09 PM, John Francis wrote:

On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 09:17:19AM -0500, Paul Sorenson wrote:

Definition:?? Optimist...An accordion player with a beeper.

Definition #2:  Perfect Pitch - when you throw the accordion out of the window, 
it hits the banjo player.



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On 5/5/2020 10:00 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

I wonder how many thought that the photo actually was your living room :-)

You did have a working kitchen, I cooked you dinner one night!

ann


Yes you did, and delicious, it was. The meal I remembered was the one at 
that little pseudo Italian place that was run by a Syrian expatriate. I 
think you liked the food well enough, but you were very dismissive of 
the decor.


bill

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2020-05-05 Thread Eric Weir


> On May 3, 2020, at 2:56 PM, Toine  wrote:
> 
> What's the wisdom of the list on this:
> https://stuckincustoms.smugmug.com/
> 
> I think some or most are overdone in post editing. Most if not all are hdr’s.

Didn’t check em all. Most of what I saw I was, “Yuck!”

I liked these two:
https://stuckincustoms.smugmug.com/Portfolio/i-J7LLt2B/A
https://stuckincustoms.smugmug.com/Portfolio/i-DRGqgTV/A

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2020-05-05 Thread John Francis

On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 09:17:19AM -0500, Paul Sorenson wrote:
> Definition:?? Optimist...An accordion player with a beeper.

Definition #2:  Perfect Pitch - when you throw the accordion out of the window, 
it hits the banjo player.

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On 5/5/2020 9:56 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:
I love bagpipes and banjos - though I'd prefer not to hear a full 
bagpipe in an enclosed space..


(folky moi)
ann



I'm considering buying a set of pipes. It's an instrument I've always 
wanted to learn to play.

There are two theories surrounding the invention of the Bagpipes:

One is that they were invented in India, but the Indians couldn't do 
anything with them so they were tossed on the dung heap. A Scotsman came 
along, found them and the Scots have been blowing the crap out of them 
ever since.


The other is that they were invented in India and given to the Scots as 
a joke.

The Scots never caught on.

I've asked my Indian co-workers which is correct, but they just smile at 
me like they are talking to a lunatic.

Of course that is how they usually talk to me.

bill

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I wonder how many thought that the photo actually was your living room :-)

You did have a working kitchen, I cooked you dinner one night!

ann

On 5/5/2020 11:16 AM, Bill wrote:

On 5/4/2020 3:43 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
Bill, I like your use of HDR here -- I see you have done quite a bit 
of redecorating since I visited in 2005 :-)


Har!,
ann


Did we even have a working kitchen when you visited us? That was right 
around when we were finishing up the major parts of the reno.


A friend had a 4000 sq ft apartment for many years, and also enough 
funds and taste to do a remarkable job of decorating it. I had always 
wanted to use it as a studio, and she was quite amenable to the idea, 
but I was never ambitious enough to rent a model to do it, and now she 
has moved to a much smaller place.


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I love bagpipes and banjos - though I'd prefer not to hear a full 
bagpipe in an enclosed space..


(folky moi)
ann

On 5/5/2020 10:57 AM, John wrote:

On 5/5/2020 00:31:36, Larry Colen wrote:



On May 4, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Paul Stenquist 
 wrote:


I agree. HDR is a tool that enables artistic expression.


Arguably so are bag pipes, banjos and accordions.




I saw a jazz band in New Orleans once that had all three.


Just as a painter can resort to a pallet knife in lieu of a brush, a 
photographer can employ different tools to achieve an effect. I like 
the shot you singled out.




On May 4, 2020, at 2:38 PM, John  wrote:

On 5/3/2020 14:56:50, Toine wrote:

What's the wisdom of the list on this:
https://stuckincustoms.smugmug.com/
I think some or most are overdone in post editing. Most if not all 
are hdr's

Toine


Some of them are good. Some of them are awesome.

HDR is Ok if you can do it so it's not obviously HDR, but even the 
ones that are obviously HDR are a style ... even if they're not 
quite to my taste.


I was particularly drawn to this one:

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-RQ76Wtw/0/4K/i-RQ76Wtw-4K.jpg

Notice what he's using to fish with ...

When I got the chance to go to China, one of the things we did was 
a cruise down the Li River and I saw many boats like this one. And 
my one regret from that trip was the photo of the man with a pole 
across his shoulder with two Cormorants sitting on it.


I regret it, because it's the photo I absolutely missed that I 
should have gotten.


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Re: Thumbs up or down?


On 5/5/2020 9:30 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

https://youtu.be/sovTfNH4Lag



I'll match your clawhammer style (excellent), and raise your bet with 
Rhiannon Giddens (much easier on the eyes).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDBm_LLWt70

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2020-05-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

https://youtu.be/sovTfNH4Lag

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Re: Thumbs up or down?


On 5/4/2020 3:43 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
Bill, I like your use of HDR here -- I see you have done quite a bit of 
redecorating since I visited in 2005 :-)


Har!,
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Did we even have a working kitchen when you visited us? That was right 
around when we were finishing up the major parts of the reno.


A friend had a 4000 sq ft apartment for many years, and also enough 
funds and taste to do a remarkable job of decorating it. I had always 
wanted to use it as a studio, and she was quite amenable to the idea, 
but I was never ambitious enough to rent a model to do it, and now she 
has moved to a much smaller place.


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Re: Thumbs up or down?


On 5/5/2020 8:17 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote:

Definition:  Optimist...An accordion player with a beeper.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSRcxdTqNiM

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Re: Thumbs up or down?


On 5/4/2020 10:31 PM, Larry Colen wrote:




On May 4, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

I agree. HDR is a tool that enables artistic expression.


Arguably so are bag pipes, banjos and accordions.



They most definitely are, though it takes a high level of artistic 
maturity that many people don't have to appreciate them.


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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-05 Thread John

A banjo player went to Disneyland but just as he got to the gate he realized 
he's left his car unlocked with his instrument on the back seat. He ran back as 
quickly as he could, but he was too late ...


Someone had already put another banjo in there.

On 5/5/2020 10:17:19, Paul Sorenson wrote:

Definition:  Optimist...An accordion player with a beeper.

On 5/5/2020 8:29 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Larry Colen wrote:


On May 4, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

I agree. HDR is a tool that enables artistic expression.

Arguably so are bag pipes, banjos and accordions.

I find those work best as percussion instruments.





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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-05 Thread John


On 5/5/2020 00:31:36, Larry Colen wrote:




On May 4, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

I agree. HDR is a tool that enables artistic expression.


Arguably so are bag pipes, banjos and accordions.




I saw a jazz band in New Orleans once that had all three.



Just as a painter can resort to a pallet knife in lieu of a brush, a 
photographer can employ different tools to achieve an effect. I like the shot 
you singled out.



On May 4, 2020, at 2:38 PM, John  wrote:

On 5/3/2020 14:56:50, Toine wrote:

What's the wisdom of the list on this:
https://stuckincustoms.smugmug.com/
I think some or most are overdone in post editing. Most if not all are hdr's
Toine


Some of them are good. Some of them are awesome.

HDR is Ok if you can do it so it's not obviously HDR, but even the ones that 
are obviously HDR are a style ... even if they're not quite to my taste.

I was particularly drawn to this one:

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-RQ76Wtw/0/4K/i-RQ76Wtw-4K.jpg

Notice what he's using to fish with ...

When I got the chance to go to China, one of the things we did was a cruise 
down the Li River and I saw many boats like this one. And my one regret from 
that trip was the photo of the man with a pole across his shoulder with two 
Cormorants sitting on it.

I regret it, because it's the photo I absolutely missed that I should have 
gotten.

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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-05 Thread Paul Sorenson


Definition:  Optimist...An accordion player with a beeper.

On 5/5/2020 8:29 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Larry Colen wrote:


On May 4, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

I agree. HDR is a tool that enables artistic expression.

Arguably so are bag pipes, banjos and accordions.

I find those work best as percussion instruments.
  


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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-05 Thread Mark Roberts

Larry Colen wrote:

>> On May 4, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> 
>> I agree. HDR is a tool that enables artistic expression.
>
>Arguably so are bag pipes, banjos and accordions. 

I find those work best as percussion instruments.
 
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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-04 Thread Larry Colen




> On May 4, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Postmaster  wrote:
> 
> John wrote:
> 
>> I agree that what most people criticize in HDR images is the tone mapping 
>> rather 
>> than the HDR itself, but they are two parts of the whole.
> 
> Exactly. HDR software takes multiple images in 8-bit color (that is, 8
> bits per color) and then combines them into an image in 32-bit color.
> Since our software and monitors can't display anywhere near that kind
> of color depth, the HDR software then maps the 32-bit color into 8-bit
> (or 16-bit) space before rendering the final image. This is tone
> mapping and it's an integral part of what HDR software does.

My understanding is that LR HDR takes several 14 bit raw files and combines 
them into more than 14 bit dng files with linear values.


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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-04 Thread Larry Colen




> On May 4, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> I agree. HDR is a tool that enables artistic expression.

Arguably so are bag pipes, banjos and accordions. 


> Just as a painter can resort to a pallet knife in lieu of a brush, a 
> photographer can employ different tools to achieve an effect. I like the shot 
> you singled out. 
> 
> 
>> On May 4, 2020, at 2:38 PM, John  wrote:
>> 
>> On 5/3/2020 14:56:50, Toine wrote:
>>> What's the wisdom of the list on this:
>>> https://stuckincustoms.smugmug.com/
>>> I think some or most are overdone in post editing. Most if not all are hdr's
>>> Toine
>> 
>> Some of them are good. Some of them are awesome.
>> 
>> HDR is Ok if you can do it so it's not obviously HDR, but even the ones that 
>> are obviously HDR are a style ... even if they're not quite to my taste.
>> 
>> I was particularly drawn to this one:
>> 
>> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-RQ76Wtw/0/4K/i-RQ76Wtw-4K.jpg
>> 
>> Notice what he's using to fish with ...
>> 
>> When I got the chance to go to China, one of the things we did was a cruise 
>> down the Li River and I saw many boats like this one. And my one regret from 
>> that trip was the photo of the man with a pole across his shoulder with two 
>> Cormorants sitting on it.
>> 
>> I regret it, because it's the photo I absolutely missed that I should have 
>> gotten.
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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-04 Thread Larry Colen



> On May 4, 2020, at 9:16 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Stanley Halpin wrote:
> 
>>> On May 3, 2020, at 5:06 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Some people see Kincade's work as a blueprint, I prefer to see it as a 
>>> cautionary tail.
>>> 
>> P.J.s comment is perfect for The List: biting, a bit snide, and yet 
>> perceptive and ultimately right on the money 
> 
> 
> What I want to know is what exactly is a "cautionary tail"? Is it like
> a Stegosaurus's with spikes on the end?

Funny you should ask that.  From my drive home this evening.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/49857111698/in/album-72157713800688898/


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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-04 Thread P. J. Alling

Well first lets be traditional, "Damned spell checker", I should have 
paid more attention when it suggested a corrected spelling...


Secondly you mean the  Thagomizer...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thagomizer

On 5/4/2020 12:16 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Stanley Halpin wrote:


On May 3, 2020, at 5:06 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:

Some people see Kincade's work as a blueprint, I prefer to see it as a 
cautionary tail.


P.J.’s comment is perfect for The List: biting, a bit snide, and yet perceptive 
and ultimately right on the money …

What I want to know is what exactly is a "cautionary tail"? Is it like
a Stegosaurus's with spikes on the end?
  


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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-04 Thread Ken Waller

Ditto, not unnatural looking at all.


-Original Message-
>From: Paul Stenquist 
>Sent: May 4, 2020 4:06 PM
>Subject: Re: Thumbs up or down?
>
>Very nice, tastefully done.
>
>
>> On May 4, 2020, at 3:58 PM, Bill  wrote:
>> 
>> On 5/4/2020 1:31 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>> I agree. HDR is a tool that enables artistic expression. Just as a painter 
>>> can resort to a pallet knife in lieu of a brush, a photographer can employ 
>>> different tools to achieve an effect. I like the shot you singled out.
>> 
>> It's important to make a distinction between HDR, which is merely a method 
>> of capturing a scene that has a longer range than the sensor can handle, and 
>> tone mapping, which seems to be done so often in combination with HDR that 
>> the two are often treated as two parts of the same whole.
>> This is an HDR image that I did when I was using the decidedly short range 
>> K7:
>> 
>> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/HDRSample.html
>> 
>> K7, 12-24 lens at f/11, 8 exposures.


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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-04 Thread Paul Stenquist

Very nice, tastefully done.


> On May 4, 2020, at 3:58 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On 5/4/2020 1:31 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> I agree. HDR is a tool that enables artistic expression. Just as a painter 
>> can resort to a pallet knife in lieu of a brush, a photographer can employ 
>> different tools to achieve an effect. I like the shot you singled out.
> 
> It's important to make a distinction between HDR, which is merely a method of 
> capturing a scene that has a longer range than the sensor can handle, and 
> tone mapping, which seems to be done so often in combination with HDR that 
> the two are often treated as two parts of the same whole.
> This is an HDR image that I did when I was using the decidedly short range K7:
> 
> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/HDRSample.html
> 
> K7, 12-24 lens at f/11, 8 exposures.
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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-04 Thread mike wilson


> On 04 May 2020 at 17:16 Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> 
> Stanley Halpin wrote:
> 
> >> On May 3, 2020, at 5:06 PM, P. J. Alling  
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Some people see Kincade's work as a blueprint, I prefer to see it as a 
> >> cautionary tail.
> >> 
> >P.J.s comment is perfect for The List: biting, a bit snide, and yet 
> >perceptive and ultimately right on the money > 
> 
> What I want to know is what exactly is a "cautionary tail"? Is it like
> a Stegosaurus's with spikes on the end?

That seems a bit more than cautionary.  Maybe an Ankylosaur?

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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-04 Thread ann sanfedele

Bill, I like your use of HDR here -- I see you have done quite a bit of 
redecorating since I visited in 2005 :-)


Har!,
ann



On 5/4/2020 3:58 PM, Bill wrote:

On 5/4/2020 1:31 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I agree. HDR is a tool that enables artistic expression. Just as a 
painter can resort to a pallet knife in lieu of a brush, a 
photographer can employ different tools to achieve an effect. I like 
the shot you singled out.


It's important to make a distinction between HDR, which is merely a 
method of capturing a scene that has a longer range than the sensor 
can handle, and tone mapping, which seems to be done so often in 
combination with HDR that the two are often treated as two parts of 
the same whole.
This is an HDR image that I did when I was using the decidedly short 
range K7:


http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/HDRSample.html

K7, 12-24 lens at f/11, 8 exposures.



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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-04 Thread Postmaster

John wrote:

>I agree that what most people criticize in HDR images is the tone mapping 
>rather 
>than the HDR itself, but they are two parts of the whole.

Exactly. HDR software takes multiple images in 8-bit color (that is, 8
bits per color) and then combines them into an image in 32-bit color.
Since our software and monitors can't display anywhere near that kind
of color depth, the HDR software then maps the 32-bit color into 8-bit
(or 16-bit) space before rendering the final image. This is tone
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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-04 Thread Bill


On 5/4/2020 2:54 PM, John wrote:

On 5/4/2020 15:58:25, Bill wrote:

On 5/4/2020 1:31 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I agree. HDR is a tool that enables artistic expression. Just as a 
painter can resort to a pallet knife in lieu of a brush, a 
photographer can employ different tools to achieve an effect. I like 
the shot you singled out.


It's important to make a distinction between HDR, which is merely a 
method of capturing a scene that has a longer range than the sensor 
can handle, and tone mapping, which seems to be done so often in 
combination with HDR that the two are often treated as two parts of 
the same whole.
This is an HDR image that I did when I was using the decidedly short 
range K7:


http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/HDRSample.html

K7, 12-24 lens at f/11, 8 exposures.



I agree that what most people criticize in HDR images is the tone 
mapping rather than the HDR itself, but they are two parts of the whole.


You don't have to go to the extremes of over-saturation some 
photographers use, but how would you use HDR to create an image without 
tone mapping?


That image is a perfect example of why I say HDR is best when it's not 
obvious that it is HDR.


Looking at that Trey Ratcliff gallery reminds me of the Thomas Edison 
quote about not having failed, but having found 10,000 ways that don't 
work.



The image I posted has zero tone mapping, or at least no tone mapping 
done as a separate operation. It's the operation called tonemapping that 
can give the cartoon effect that we all know and love.


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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-04 Thread John


On 5/4/2020 15:58:25, Bill wrote:

On 5/4/2020 1:31 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I agree. HDR is a tool that enables artistic expression. Just as a painter can 
resort to a pallet knife in lieu of a brush, a photographer can employ 
different tools to achieve an effect. I like the shot you singled out.


It's important to make a distinction between HDR, which is merely a method of 
capturing a scene that has a longer range than the sensor can handle, and tone 
mapping, which seems to be done so often in combination with HDR that the two 
are often treated as two parts of the same whole.

This is an HDR image that I did when I was using the decidedly short range K7:

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/HDRSample.html

K7, 12-24 lens at f/11, 8 exposures.



I agree that what most people criticize in HDR images is the tone mapping rather 
than the HDR itself, but they are two parts of the whole.


You don't have to go to the extremes of over-saturation some photographers use, 
but how would you use HDR to create an image without tone mapping?


That image is a perfect example of why I say HDR is best when it's not obvious 
that it is HDR.


Looking at that Trey Ratcliff gallery reminds me of the Thomas Edison quote 
about not having failed, but having found 10,000 ways that don't work.



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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-04 Thread Ralf R Radermacher


Am 04.05.20 um 21:58 schrieb Bill:


This is an HDR image that I did when I was using the decidedly short
range K7:

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/HDRSample.html


...and it's a great example of what HDR can do. I'm in the process of
creating catalogs of all my RAW shots since 2005 in ON1 Photo RAW and
just noticed that I've taken at least two pics of different exposure of
almost everything in the bad old days of the K-7. This ended as soon as
I got the K-5.

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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-04 Thread Bill


On 5/4/2020 1:31 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I agree. HDR is a tool that enables artistic expression. Just as a painter can 
resort to a pallet knife in lieu of a brush, a photographer can employ 
different tools to achieve an effect. I like the shot you singled out.


It's important to make a distinction between HDR, which is merely a 
method of capturing a scene that has a longer range than the sensor can 
handle, and tone mapping, which seems to be done so often in combination 
with HDR that the two are often treated as two parts of the same whole.
This is an HDR image that I did when I was using the decidedly short 
range K7:


http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/HDRSample.html

K7, 12-24 lens at f/11, 8 exposures.

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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-04 Thread Paul Stenquist

I agree. HDR is a tool that enables artistic expression. Just as a painter can 
resort to a pallet knife in lieu of a brush, a photographer can employ 
different tools to achieve an effect. I like the shot you singled out. 


> On May 4, 2020, at 2:38 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> On 5/3/2020 14:56:50, Toine wrote:
>> What's the wisdom of the list on this:
>> https://stuckincustoms.smugmug.com/
>> I think some or most are overdone in post editing. Most if not all are hdr's
>> Toine
> 
> Some of them are good. Some of them are awesome.
> 
> HDR is Ok if you can do it so it's not obviously HDR, but even the ones that 
> are obviously HDR are a style ... even if they're not quite to my taste.
> 
> I was particularly drawn to this one:
> 
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-RQ76Wtw/0/4K/i-RQ76Wtw-4K.jpg
> 
> Notice what he's using to fish with ...
> 
> When I got the chance to go to China, one of the things we did was a cruise 
> down the Li River and I saw many boats like this one. And my one regret from 
> that trip was the photo of the man with a pole across his shoulder with two 
> Cormorants sitting on it.
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> I regret it, because it's the photo I absolutely missed that I should have 
> gotten.
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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-04 Thread John


On 5/3/2020 14:56:50, Toine wrote:

What's the wisdom of the list on this:
https://stuckincustoms.smugmug.com/

I think some or most are overdone in post editing. Most if not all are hdr's

Toine



Some of them are good. Some of them are awesome.

HDR is Ok if you can do it so it's not obviously HDR, but even the ones that are 
obviously HDR are a style ... even if they're not quite to my taste.


I was particularly drawn to this one:

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-RQ76Wtw/0/4K/i-RQ76Wtw-4K.jpg

Notice what he's using to fish with ...

When I got the chance to go to China, one of the things we did was a cruise down 
the Li River and I saw many boats like this one. And my one regret from that 
trip was the photo of the man with a pole across his shoulder with two 
Cormorants sitting on it.


I regret it, because it's the photo I absolutely missed that I should have 
gotten.

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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-04 Thread Mark Roberts

Stanley Halpin wrote:

>> On May 3, 2020, at 5:06 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
>> 
>> Some people see Kincade's work as a blueprint, I prefer to see it as a 
>> cautionary tail.
>> 
>P.J.s comment is perfect for The List: biting, a bit snide, and yet 
>perceptive and ultimately right on the money 

What I want to know is what exactly is a "cautionary tail"? Is it like
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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-04 Thread Stanley Halpin

Mark! 

P.J.’s comment is perfect for The List: biting, a bit snide, and yet perceptive 
and ultimately right on the money …

stan


> On May 3, 2020, at 5:06 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> If you like Thomas Kincade, you'll like this guy.
> 
> Some people see Kincade's work as a blueprint, I prefer to see it as a 
> cautionary tail.
> 
> On 5/3/2020 2:56 PM, Toine wrote:
>> What's the wisdom of the list on this:
>> https://stuckincustoms.smugmug.com/
>> 
>> I think some or most are overdone in post editing. Most if not all are hdr's
>> 
>> Toine


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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-04 Thread Ralf R Radermacher


Am 04.05.20 um 09:40 schrieb Bob Pdml:

Those pictures are the photographic equivalent of boiled sweets.


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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-04 Thread Bob Pdml

Those pictures are the photographic equivalent of boiled sweets.

>> On Sun, 3 May 2020 at 20:56, Toine  wrote:
>> 
>> What's the wisdom of the list on this:
>> https://stuckincustoms.smugmug.com/
>> 
>> I think some or most are overdone in post editing. Most if not all are
>> hdr's



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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-04 Thread Toine

I had to google Thomas Kincade. Now I have to rinse my eyes.
Trey's images are much better to look at. Some are good.

I tried HDR (+2,0,-2 bracketing) in the past, only one survived:
https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/architecture-1/content/no-title-19/lightbox/
I probably shouldn't post that :)
I would now prefer a black and white rendering. with the risk of tar and
feathers: I always wondered if Ansel Adams Zone system was the analog
version of HDR.

On Sun, 3 May 2020 at 20:56, Toine  wrote:

> What's the wisdom of the list on this:
> https://stuckincustoms.smugmug.com/
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> I think some or most are overdone in post editing. Most if not all are
> hdr's
>
> Toine
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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-03 Thread Paul Sorenson


Agree.  Most are overdone.


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I think some or most are overdone in post editing. Most if not all are hdr's

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RE: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-03 Thread jcoyle

Makes my eyes bleed!  Horrible rendering.

John in Brisbane



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I think some or most are overdone in post editing. Most if not all are hdr's

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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-03 Thread ann sanfedele


Now here is a MARK for you too!
well said, Ralf

ann

On 5/3/2020 4:08 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 03.05.20 um 20:56 schrieb Toine:

Most if not all are hdr's


HDR is like make-up. Less is more. If it's done really good you don't
notice it immediately. As an 'effect' is more than a little old by now.

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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-03 Thread ann sanfedele


Down, of course!  but I bet he is making money - :-(

ann

On 5/3/2020 2:56 PM, Toine wrote:

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I think some or most are overdone in post editing. Most if not all are hdr's

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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-03 Thread P. J. Alling


If you like Thomas Kincade, you'll like this guy.

Some people see Kincade's work as a blueprint, I prefer to see it as a 
cautionary tail.


On 5/3/2020 2:56 PM, Toine wrote:

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I think some or most are overdone in post editing. Most if not all are hdr's

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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-03 Thread Steve Cottrell

On 3/5/20, Toine, discombobulated, unleashed:

>What's the wisdom of the list on this:
>https://stuckincustoms.smugmug.com/
>
>I think some or most are overdone in post editing. Most if not all are hdr's

There's one or two in there that are quite Robertstechesque




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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-03 Thread Ralf R Radermacher


Am 03.05.20 um 20:56 schrieb Toine:

Most if not all are hdr's


HDR is like make-up. Less is more. If it's done really good you don't
notice it immediately. As an 'effect' is more than a little old by now.

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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-03 Thread Larry Colen

> On May 3, 2020, at 11:56 AM, Toine  wrote:
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> What's the wisdom of the list on this:

One might argue that wisdom of the list is an oxymoron when applied to this 
list.

> https://stuckincustoms.smugmug.com/
> 
> I think some or most are overdone in post editing. Most if not all are hdr’s

They are definitely a burner.  Burning man does lend itself to overdone photos 
because that’s what it takes to capture even a portion of the feeling of what 
it’s like to be there.

Speaking of which, Olya, check out Baba Yaga’s book club:
https://stuckincustoms.smugmug.com/Portfolio/i-XjFTVB9

His style definitely goes more for pop and impact that realism, and he does it 
very well.  After a while his consistent style gets a bit monotonous.  Even 
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Re: Thumbs up or down?

2020-05-03 Thread Bulent Celasun

Fine, even good, perhaps occasionally awesome images...
Just, not my cup of tea.

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Thumbs up or down?

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Re: thumbs up, thumbs down?

Thanks for looking and for the ID. The noise doesn't bother me. The  
bird appears sharp at 100%, given his size relative to the frame.
Paul
On May 5, 2007, at 10:43 PM, Christian wrote:

 Paul Stenquist wrote:
 I'm not sure how I feel about this shot, but it might be a good one
 for my nature center gallery. I passed it up the first time I
 reviewed the day's shooting, but looked at it again today. It's not a
 great bird pic, but it might be a nice nature center shot. What I
 mean by that is that it shows the habitat and IDs the bird. People
 who love the nature center (and it has some rabid fans) might like
 something like this. By the way, an ID on the bird would be nice.
 Save me pulling out my book. And we have so many people here who
 really know birds. I can identify only a handful without a book.
 Anyway, here he is:

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5931913size=lg


 I don't care for the reeds/sticks obscuring the body, but i can
 understand that many people don't share my ideas on this.  As Rob  
 wrote,
 it does have a weird color-cast going on too, and for me is just too
 noisy and soft.  I think it's either a song sparrow or savannah  
 sparrow,
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Re: thumbs up, thumbs down?

Thanks Godders. The colors are what I saw there, but I appreciate the  
feedback. I don't need it to complete the show, and since the  
consensus her is that it's not a keeper, it won't be going.
Paul
On May 5, 2007, at 10:55 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 Paul Stenquist wrote:
 I'm not sure how I feel about this shot, but it might be a good one
 for my nature center gallery. I passed it up the first time I
 reviewed the day's shooting, but looked at it again today. It's not a
 great bird pic, but it might be a nice nature center shot. What I
 mean by that is that it shows the habitat and IDs the bird. People
 who love the nature center (and it has some rabid fans) might like
 something like this. By the way, an ID on the bird would be nice.
 Save me pulling out my book. And we have so many people here who
 really know birds. I can identify only a handful without a book.
 Anyway, here he is:

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5931913size=lg

 mmm...  Personally, I don't think it's up to snuff and wouldn't offer
 it as a part of my work. The colors are odd, the sharpness is
 lacking, and the noise is very visible.

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Re: thumbs up, thumbs down?

Thanks for the feedback Ken. I don't need it for the show. I'm only  
hanging six prints, and I have dozens. But I'll probably print it to  
see how it looks. It might prove interesting in that it's more a shot  
of the nature center than of a bird. The grain/noise doesn't bother  
me. It's interesting how we've all become so sensitized to a grainy  
look with digital. With film, we accepted it for the most part and  
sometimes championed it.

On May 5, 2007, at 11:18 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:

 Paul, I guess it really depends on how it prints. For the non  
 photographer
 it might be ok, but personally I wouldn't show it if it were mine.  
 Lacks
 sharpness  appears grainy. The branches in the foreground don't  
 bother me.
 I believe the bird is a Song Sparrow (Melospiza melodia).

 Kenneth Waller

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 Subject: thumbs up, thumbs down?


 I'm not sure how I feel about this shot, but it might be a good one
 for my nature center gallery. I passed it up the first time I
 reviewed the day's shooting, but looked at it again today. It's not a
 great bird pic, but it might be a nice nature center shot. What I
 mean by that is that it shows the habitat and IDs the bird. People
 who love the nature center (and it has some rabid fans) might like
 something like this. By the way, an ID on the bird would be nice.
 Save me pulling out my book. And we have so many people here who
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Re: thumbs up, thumbs down?

And I appreciate your honest evaluation. Thanks.
Paul
On May 5, 2007, at 11:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 5/5/2007 9:07:51 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I'm not sure how I feel about  this shot, but it might be a good one
 for my nature center gallery. I  passed it up the first time I
 reviewed the day's shooting, but looked  at it again today. It's not a
 great bird pic, but it might be a nice  nature center shot. What I
 mean by that is that it shows the habitat  and IDs the bird. People
 who love the nature center (and it has some  rabid fans) might like
 something like this. By the way, an ID on the  bird would be nice.
 Save me pulling out my book. And we have so many  people here who
 really know birds. I can identify only a handful  without a book.
 Anyway, here he  is:

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5931913size=lg


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 Thumbs  down. It's almost good enough, but not quite.

 Well, you asked.

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Re: thumbs up, thumbs down?

The bird is probably somewhat diffused by the foreground reeds. I've  
noticed that always seems to happen when you focus on an object that  
is behind something else. Thanks for the feedback. The PDML has  
voted, and this bird is staying home:-).
Paul
On May 5, 2007, at 11:24 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

 Strange, Paul.  The bird is sharp but somehow doesn't
 =look= sharp.  The foreground reeds are distracting.
 The left side is overexposed.  Thumbs down, I would
 say.

 Rick

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 I'm not sure how I feel about this shot, but it
 might be a good one
 for my nature center gallery. I passed it up the
 first time I
 reviewed the day's shooting, but looked at it again
 today. It's not a
 great bird pic, but it might be a nice nature center
 shot. What I
 mean by that is that it shows the habitat and IDs
 the bird. People
 who love the nature center (and it has some rabid
 fans) might like
 something like this. By the way, an ID on the bird
 would be nice.
 Save me pulling out my book. And we have so many
 people here who
 really know birds. I can identify only a handful
 without a book.
 Anyway, here he is:


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thumbs up, thumbs down?

I'm not sure how I feel about this shot, but it might be a good one  
for my nature center gallery. I passed it up the first time I  
reviewed the day's shooting, but looked at it again today. It's not a  
great bird pic, but it might be a nice nature center shot. What I  
mean by that is that it shows the habitat and IDs the bird. People  
who love the nature center (and it has some rabid fans) might like  
something like this. By the way, an ID on the bird would be nice.  
Save me pulling out my book. And we have so many people here who  
really know birds. I can identify only a handful without a book.  
Anyway, here he is:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5931913size=lg

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Re: thumbs up, thumbs down?

2007-05-05 Thread Jack Davis

I certainly see what your point. In the interest of more sharply
defining the markings, I MIGHT bump the contrast/saturation slightly
and add a smidge of sharpening.

Jack
--- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm not sure how I feel about this shot, but it might be a good one  
 for my nature center gallery. I passed it up the first time I  
 reviewed the day's shooting, but looked at it again today. It's not a
  
 great bird pic, but it might be a nice nature center shot. What I  
 mean by that is that it shows the habitat and IDs the bird. People  
 who love the nature center (and it has some rabid fans) might like  
 something like this. By the way, an ID on the bird would be nice.  
 Save me pulling out my book. And we have so many people here who  
 really know birds. I can identify only a handful without a book.  
 Anyway, here he is:
 
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5931913size=lg
 
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Re: thumbs up, thumbs down?

Thanks Jack. Yes, I was a bit conservative on the sharpening and  
contrast. It's at ISO 800, and I didn't want to accentuate the noise,  
but I'm going to revisit it. Noisy prints are somehow nicer than  
noisy web images. Perhaps it's because we're used to seeing grain in  
a print.
Paul
On May 5, 2007, at 12:28 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

 I certainly see what your point. In the interest of more sharply
 defining the markings, I MIGHT bump the contrast/saturation slightly
 and add a smidge of sharpening.

 Jack
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 I'm not sure how I feel about this shot, but it might be a good one
 for my nature center gallery. I passed it up the first time I
 reviewed the day's shooting, but looked at it again today. It's not a

 great bird pic, but it might be a nice nature center shot. What I
 mean by that is that it shows the habitat and IDs the bird. People
 who love the nature center (and it has some rabid fans) might like
 something like this. By the way, an ID on the bird would be nice.
 Save me pulling out my book. And we have so many people here who
 really know birds. I can identify only a handful without a book.
 Anyway, here he is:

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5931913size=lg

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Re: thumbs up, thumbs down?

2007-05-05 Thread Leon Altoff

Paul,

I like the composition of the picture, but I dislike the harshness of 
the background.  I don't want to start another bokeh discussion, and it 
may just be the very vertical nature of the grass in the background, but 
I think the background ruins an otherwise nice image.

What lens did you use by the way?

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Paul Stenquist wrote:
 I'm not sure how I feel about this shot, but it might be a good one  
 for my nature center gallery. I passed it up the first time I  
 reviewed the day's shooting, but looked at it again today. It's not a  
 great bird pic, but it might be a nice nature center shot. What I  
 mean by that is that it shows the habitat and IDs the bird. People  
 who love the nature center (and it has some rabid fans) might like  
 something like this. By the way, an ID on the bird would be nice.  
 Save me pulling out my book. And we have so many people here who  
 really know birds. I can identify only a handful without a book.  
 Anyway, here he is:
 
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5931913size=lg
 


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Re: thumbs up, thumbs down?

2007-05-05 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Leon Altoff
Subject: Re: thumbs up, thumbs down?

 Paul,

 I like the composition of the picture, but I dislike the harshness of 
 the background.  I don't want to start another bokeh discussion, and it 
 may just be the very vertical nature of the grass in the background, but 
 I think the background ruins an otherwise nice image.

That looks like an artifact of the sharpening.
Paul, how much USM did you give this picture?

William Robb

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Re: thumbs up, thumbs down?

2007-05-05 Thread Digital Image Studio

On 06/05/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm not sure how I feel about this shot, but it might be a good one
 for my nature center gallery. I passed it up the first time I
 reviewed the day's shooting, but looked at it again today. It's not a
 great bird pic, but it might be a nice nature center shot. What I
 mean by that is that it shows the habitat and IDs the bird. People
 who love the nature center (and it has some rabid fans) might like
 something like this. By the way, an ID on the bird would be nice.
 Save me pulling out my book. And we have so many people here who
 really know birds. I can identify only a handful without a book.
 Anyway, here he is:

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5931913size=lg

Technically this image doesn't appear to be up to your normal
standards Paul, though it may do nicely for the purpose of
identification or general illustration. In my honest opinion it
appears to have a strange colour balance (it's not a simple cast), it
also appears grainy, a little over-saturated and potentially slightly
over-exposed (though obviously the subject of the image is not).

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Re: thumbs up, thumbs down?

Minimal sharpening. I'm very conscious of how the 400/5.6 plus A2X-S  
shots react to sharpening. But I could go back and mask off the bird  
and sharpen him in isolation.
Paul
On May 5, 2007, at 9:08 PM, William Robb wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: Leon Altoff
 Subject: Re: thumbs up, thumbs down?

 Paul,

 I like the composition of the picture, but I dislike the harshness of
 the background.  I don't want to start another bokeh discussion,  
 and it
 may just be the very vertical nature of the grass in the  
 background, but
 I think the background ruins an otherwise nice image.

 That looks like an artifact of the sharpening.
 Paul, how much USM did you give this picture?

 William Robb

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Re: thumbs up, thumbs down?

Thanks for the feedback, Rob. The responses to photo threads are few  
and far between on the PDML. Now, if I asked about sex with goats, it  
would be a different story:-).
I realize this is not an image that would win kudos for photographic  
excellence or technical proficiency. But I'm wondering if it's  
interesting as a representation of what occurs in the field, as a  
record of this guy's habitiat? Perhaps not. I really don't know.
Paul
On May 5, 2007, at 9:49 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote:

 On 06/05/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm not sure how I feel about this shot, but it might be a good one
 for my nature center gallery. I passed it up the first time I
 reviewed the day's shooting, but looked at it again today. It's not a
 great bird pic, but it might be a nice nature center shot. What I
 mean by that is that it shows the habitat and IDs the bird. People
 who love the nature center (and it has some rabid fans) might like
 something like this. By the way, an ID on the bird would be nice.
 Save me pulling out my book. And we have so many people here who
 really know birds. I can identify only a handful without a book.
 Anyway, here he is:

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5931913size=lg

 Technically this image doesn't appear to be up to your normal
 standards Paul, though it may do nicely for the purpose of
 identification or general illustration. In my honest opinion it
 appears to have a strange colour balance (it's not a simple cast), it
 also appears grainy, a little over-saturated and potentially slightly
 over-exposed (though obviously the subject of the image is not).

 -- 
 Rob Studdert
 HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
 Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
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