Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
Years ago at a local auction I watched an Amberola 30 go for $750.00. A few weeks later I ran into the winning bidder and we got to talking about phonographs and I asked if he had any for sale. He said he had an Amberola 30 for sale and I responded (before I could edit my mouth from my brain) "You will have to find someone else who does not know what they are doing to buy that one". I can usually win a bid against a dealer and sometimes a collector, but I can never win a bid from someone who doesn't know what they are doing. In a message dated 3/3/2012 11:55:31 A.M. Central Standard Time, smst...@gmail.com writes: The problem with bidding early is as vinyl states. Also the bidder has a feeling of ownership. That is to say if someone bids they are taking your item away and you will "attack" with a new and higher bid. I use attack because that is just what the lizard brain does...Someone took it away. Sneak attacks are better, last second bidding. Why show your cards? And never forget the person that will BUI, bid under the influence. eBay encourages proxy bidding for a reason. They don't call 'em bidding wars for no reason. Oldcranky On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: > > Check the bid history, my point is proven. There is someone who wants that > machine for $1,060+That bidder is:i***l( 1259) > Obviously, he/she was determined to find the previous bidder's limit and > then exceed it, no matter what the item is worth.The lesson to be learned > is this - don't place a proxy bid for more than you are actually > comfortable with paying, because someone will try to get you to your max. > > From: vinyl.visi...@live.com > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 11:04:39 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > > > > > Actually, this is the problem with placing "proxy" bids early on eBay. > He probably did not want to pay $1,000, but definitely wanted the machine > and didn't want to be sniped at the end, so placed a high proxy bid to > avoid being outbid. However, he didn't take into account the nutcase OCD > bidders who will keep bumping the bid until they discover your limit. Why > does anyone bid days ahead on eBay, since it's not an actual auction > anyway? The only thing that counts is the last bid. > > > > > Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 06:09:37 -0800 > > > From: john9...@pacbell.net > > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > > > > > A yeah. I get it. I find it amazing anyone would bid > that much for a Standard though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: George Glastris > > > To: Antique Phonograph List > > > Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 4:01 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > > > > > No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. > > > > > > - Original Message - From: "john robles" > > > > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > > > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM > > > Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > > > > > > > > > Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on > eBay. The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids > within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the > price from $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? > > > > John Robles > > > > > > > > PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! > 110+ YEARS OLD! > > > > ___ > > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > > http://phono-l.org > > > > > > ___ > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > http://phono-l.org > > > ___ > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > http://phono-l.org > > > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE?
Believe it or not.. When I was living in Guam, the local Ace Hardware carried piano string wire that I could use for restringing pianos! And our local Ace in Denver used to carry all kinds of wierd stuff. Now that they have been acquired by the corporate office, the selection is no better than the other hardware stores. So much for corporate ownership of local small businesses! Art Heller -Original Message- From: john robles To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:56 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE? Doesn't your Ace have the Genuine Edison Phonograph Parts endcap? :-) ohn From: "clockworkh...@aol.com" o: phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 5:49 PM ubject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE? The seller is highly suspect in all of this. I sent him/her an email about the elt tension pulley and have not heard back. What I find most enlightening is hat he/she states they went to ACE Hardware which has replacement belts for $7 but didn't buy one) and leaves it to the buyer of this machine. How come my ACE Hardware doesn't carry Edison belts? Al ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
I KNOW it's a scam. But doesn't the scammer seller still owe eBay the commission? Or is eBay just too dumb to figure it out? --Art Heller -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions To: phono-l Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:14 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? t's a scam... > From: aph4...@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:25:53 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? So the "high bidder" just crapped out on him. I thought that the eBay bid was a contract that had to be honored. So much for the eBay contract. Unless he himself put in the high bid??? If so he owes eBay the commission. What am I missing here? ---Art Heller In a message dated 3/4/2012 5:24:47 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, ander...@tampabay.rr.com writes: The Standard is now re-listed at $999.99! http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAT-1898-EDISON-STANDARD-PHONOGRAPH-WORKING-MOTOR-SE E-MY-VIDEO-110-YEARS-OLD-/160753917176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256dae 1cf8 Sold $1060 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item2 56d261325&item=160745001765&nma=true&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&rt=nc&si=hNN0847D ZwyYQ9DbTNaGUu38QWE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: > but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > john9...@pacbell.net writes: > > consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, > and taking the price from $599 to $1000. > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE?
You can only get them at the ACE hardware in Orange, NJ... :) > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > From: clockworkh...@aol.com > Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:49:50 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE? > > > The seller is highly suspect in all of this. I sent him/her an email about > the belt tension pulley and have not heard back. What I find most > enlightening is that he/she states they went to ACE Hardware which has > replacement belts for $7 (but didn't buy one) and leaves it to the buyer of > this machine. > > How come my ACE Hardware doesn't carry Edison belts? > > Al > > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE?
Look through his feedback, he is just finding stuff and throwing it up for sale, has no idea what he is doing and if it is not in one of those antique price guides he is lost. On 03/04/2012 07:49 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: The seller is highly suspect in all of this. I sent him/her an email about the belt tension pulley and have not heard back. What I find most enlightening is that he/she states they went to ACE Hardware which has replacement belts for $7 (but didn't buy one) and leaves it to the buyer of this machine. How come my ACE Hardware doesn't carry Edison belts? Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
It is a contract and they must pay. Check the high bidder's feedback and see if a negative was left by the seller over the next few days. If not, chances are it was shilling. From: "aph4...@aol.com" To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? So the "high bidder" just crapped out on him. I thought that the eBay bid was a contract that had to be honored. So much for the eBay contract. Unless he himself put in the high bid??? If so he owes eBay the commission. What am I missing here? ---Art Heller In a message dated 3/4/2012 5:24:47 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, ander...@tampabay.rr.com writes: The Standard is now re-listed at $999.99! http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAT-1898-EDISON-STANDARD-PHONOGRAPH-WORKING-MOTOR-SE E-MY-VIDEO-110-YEARS-OLD-/160753917176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256dae 1cf8 Sold $1060 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item2 56d261325&item=160745001765&nma=true&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&rt=nc&si=hNN0847D ZwyYQ9DbTNaGUu38QWE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: > but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > john9...@pacbell.net writes: > > consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, > and taking the price from $599 to $1000. > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE?
Doesn't your Ace have the Genuine Edison Phonograph Parts endcap? :-) John From: "clockworkh...@aol.com" To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE? The seller is highly suspect in all of this. I sent him/her an email about the belt tension pulley and have not heard back. What I find most enlightening is that he/she states they went to ACE Hardware which has replacement belts for $7 (but didn't buy one) and leaves it to the buyer of this machine. How come my ACE Hardware doesn't carry Edison belts? Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
On 3/4/2012 8:24 PM, john robles wrote: Hmm, shall we reconsider my original premise about shilling?? Shilling requires two bidders, the real one and the shill. Both would show in the bid list. -- Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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It's a scam... > From: aph4...@aol.com > Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:25:53 -0500 > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > So the "high bidder" just crapped out on him. I thought that the eBay bid > was a contract that had to be honored. So much for the eBay contract. > Unless he himself put in the high bid??? If so he owes eBay the commission. > What am I missing here? > ---Art Heller > > > In a message dated 3/4/2012 5:24:47 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > ander...@tampabay.rr.com writes: > > > The Standard is now re-listed at $999.99! > http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAT-1898-EDISON-STANDARD-PHONOGRAPH-WORKING-MOTOR-SE > E-MY-VIDEO-110-YEARS-OLD-/160753917176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256dae > 1cf8 > > > Sold $1060 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item2 > 56d261325&item=160745001765&nma=true&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&rt=nc&si=hNN0847D > ZwyYQ9DbTNaGUu38QWE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc > > > > > > > On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: > > > but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > john9...@pacbell.net writes: > > > > consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each > time, > > and taking the price from $599 to $1000. > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
I think you are right, John. But fortunately for the original bidder, the second guy exceeded his proxy bid. > Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 17:24:17 -0800 > From: john9...@pacbell.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > Hmm, shall we reconsider my original premise about shilling?? > > > > > From: Steve Andersen > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 4:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > > The Standard is now re-listed at $999.99! > http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAT-1898-EDISON-STANDARD-PHONOGRAPH-WORKING-MOTOR-SEE-MY-VIDEO-110-YEARS-OLD-/160753917176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256dae1cf8 > > > Sold $1060 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item256d261325&item=160745001765&nma=true&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&rt=nc&si=hNN0847DZwyYQ9DbTNaGUu38QWE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc > > > > > > > On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: > > > but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > john9...@pacbell.net writes: > > > > consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, > > and taking the price from $599 to $1000. > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Allen,The original bidder placed an automatic proxy bid for $1,000. The second guy, who apparently is not knowledgeable at all, kept bidding against the proxy bid until his bid exceeded $1,000. So, it appeared that he was bidding against himself, but in actuality he was bidding against an already placed automatic bid. Luckily for the first bidder, the second guy outbid his ridiculous proxy bid.Curt > From: allena...@aol.com > Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 14:33:51 -0500 > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > john9...@pacbell.net writes: > > consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, > and taking the price from $599 to $1000. > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE?
The seller is highly suspect in all of this. I sent him/her an email about the belt tension pulley and have not heard back. What I find most enlightening is that he/she states they went to ACE Hardware which has replacement belts for $7 (but didn't buy one) and leaves it to the buyer of this machine. How come my ACE Hardware doesn't carry Edison belts? Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
So the "high bidder" just crapped out on him. I thought that the eBay bid was a contract that had to be honored. So much for the eBay contract. Unless he himself put in the high bid??? If so he owes eBay the commission. What am I missing here? ---Art Heller In a message dated 3/4/2012 5:24:47 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, ander...@tampabay.rr.com writes: The Standard is now re-listed at $999.99! http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAT-1898-EDISON-STANDARD-PHONOGRAPH-WORKING-MOTOR-SE E-MY-VIDEO-110-YEARS-OLD-/160753917176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256dae 1cf8 Sold $1060 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item2 56d261325&item=160745001765&nma=true&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&rt=nc&si=hNN0847D ZwyYQ9DbTNaGUu38QWE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: > but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > john9...@pacbell.net writes: > > consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, > and taking the price from $599 to $1000. > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
Hmm, shall we reconsider my original premise about shilling?? From: Steve Andersen To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? The Standard is now re-listed at $999.99! http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAT-1898-EDISON-STANDARD-PHONOGRAPH-WORKING-MOTOR-SEE-MY-VIDEO-110-YEARS-OLD-/160753917176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256dae1cf8 Sold $1060 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item256d261325&item=160745001765&nma=true&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&rt=nc&si=hNN0847DZwyYQ9DbTNaGUu38QWE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: > but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > john9...@pacbell.net writes: > > consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, > and taking the price from $599 to $1000. > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
You often see auctions with only one bidder, who is bidding against himself. In reality, he is bidding against the reserve price, since he doesn't know its amount. Jim On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: > but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > john9...@pacbell.net writes: > > consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, > and taking the price from $599 to $1000. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Or one person and a reserve which he's trying to find. -- Bill On 3/4/2012 5:30 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: yes, but of course, it takes two to tango. (or to raise a bid)... allen --- In a message dated 3/4/2012 5:09:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, msprin...@gmail.com writes: Two possible ways to get a long series from the same* bidder. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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The Standard is now re-listed at $999.99! http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAT-1898-EDISON-STANDARD-PHONOGRAPH-WORKING-MOTOR-SEE-MY-VIDEO-110-YEARS-OLD-/160753917176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256dae1cf8 Sold $1060 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item256d261325&item=160745001765&nma=true&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&rt=nc&si=hNN0847DZwyYQ9DbTNaGUu38QWE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: > but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > john9...@pacbell.net writes: > > consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, > and taking the price from $599 to $1000. > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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yes, but of course, it takes two to tango. (or to raise a bid)... allen --- In a message dated 3/4/2012 5:09:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, msprin...@gmail.com writes: Two possible ways to get a long series from the same* bidder. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Two possible ways to get a long series from the same bidder. In one scenario, there is a higher bidder, and the new bidder keeps entering higher and higher bids to try to outbid that higher bidder. In the second scenario, a bidder enters one bid and then enters several others so as to increase his original bid. You won't see any of those later bids until a higher bidder enters the auction, and then all the other bids the first bidder entered will appear that are up to the higher bidder, and one bid (if one was entered) that exceeds the higher bidder. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of allena...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 2:34 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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If you go back and look real hard at that machine you will note that it is far from prime condition. The belt tensoiner looks to be missing in action and the top does not aper to have a matchng finish but this may be lighting. The corrosion on several parts is nota good sign though. I bet it is the video that sold it though. On 03/03/2012 07:43 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Thanks for the compliment, Steve... From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 18:36:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? where are these buyers when I am selling something? . It was the way he described it, 110 years old and someone that was ignorant purchased it. Four years ago a standard described as mint, 100% of the pin striping was GONE and it was one of the WORSE standards I have ever seen, but the seller said it was the nicest one he had seen in 35 years and it sold for $750 with an equally crappy horn. Ignorance is bliss for these sellers. The buyer got a $300 dollar machine for $1060. Your problem is you are honest, and a nice guy as well. Steve > From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 17:52:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? A two minute Standard with no horn, no crane and no belt for $1,060? The seller made out like a bandit... where are these buyers when I am selling something? Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 06:09:37 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? A yeah. I get it. I find it amazing anyone would bid that much for a Standard though. From: George Glastris To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. - Original Message - From: "john robles" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? John Robles PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ YEARS OLD! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Thanks for the compliment, Steve... > From: steve_nor...@msn.com > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 18:36:04 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > > where are these buyers when I am selling something? > . It was the way he described it, 110 years old and someone that was > ignorant purchased it. Four years ago a standard described as mint, 100% of > the pin striping was GONE and it was one of the WORSE standards I have ever > seen, but the seller said it was the nicest one he had seen in 35 years and > it sold for $750 with an equally crappy horn. Ignorance is bliss for these > sellers. The buyer got a $300 dollar machine for $1060. Your problem is you > are honest, and a nice guy as well. Steve > > From: vinyl.visi...@live.com > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 17:52:34 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > > > > > A two minute Standard with no horn, no crane and no belt for $1,060? The > > seller made out like a bandit... where are these buyers when I am selling > > something? > > > > > Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 06:09:37 -0800 > > > From: john9...@pacbell.net > > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > > > > > A yeah. I get it. I find it amazing anyone would bid that > > > much for a Standard though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: George Glastris > > > To: Antique Phonograph List > > > Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 4:01 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > > > > > No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. > > > > > > - Original Message - From: "john robles" > > > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > > > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM > > > Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > > > > > > > > > Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on > > > > eBay. The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids > > > > within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the > > > > price from $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? > > > > John Robles > > > > > > > > PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ > > > > YEARS OLD! > > > > ___ > > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > > http://phono-l.org > > > > > > ___ > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > http://phono-l.org > > > ___ > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > http://phono-l.org > > > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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where are these buyers when I am selling something? . It was the way he described it, 110 years old and someone that was ignorant purchased it. Four years ago a standard described as mint, 100% of the pin striping was GONE and it was one of the WORSE standards I have ever seen, but the seller said it was the nicest one he had seen in 35 years and it sold for $750 with an equally crappy horn. Ignorance is bliss for these sellers. The buyer got a $300 dollar machine for $1060. Your problem is you are honest, and a nice guy as well. Steve > From: vinyl.visi...@live.com > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 17:52:34 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > > A two minute Standard with no horn, no crane and no belt for $1,060? The > seller made out like a bandit... where are these buyers when I am selling > something? > > > Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 06:09:37 -0800 > > From: john9...@pacbell.net > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > > > A yeah. I get it. I find it amazing anyone would bid that > > much for a Standard though. > > > > > > > > > > From: George Glastris > > To: Antique Phonograph List > > Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 4:01 AM > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > > > No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. > > > > ----- Original Message - From: "john robles" > > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM > > Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > > > > > > Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. > > > The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a > > > few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from > > > $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? > > > John Robles > > > > > > PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ > > > YEARS OLD! > > > ___ > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > http://phono-l.org > > > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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A two minute Standard with no horn, no crane and no belt for $1,060? The seller made out like a bandit... where are these buyers when I am selling something? > Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 06:09:37 -0800 > From: john9...@pacbell.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > A yeah. I get it. I find it amazing anyone would bid that > much for a Standard though. > > > > > From: George Glastris > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 4:01 AM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. > > - Original Message - From: "john robles" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > > > Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. > > The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a > > few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from > > $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? > > John Robles > > > > PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ YEARS > > OLD! > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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The problem with bidding early is as vinyl states. Also the bidder has a feeling of ownership. That is to say if someone bids they are taking your item away and you will "attack" with a new and higher bid. I use attack because that is just what the lizard brain does...Someone took it away. Sneak attacks are better, last second bidding. Why show your cards? And never forget the person that will BUI, bid under the influence. eBay encourages proxy bidding for a reason. They don't call 'em bidding wars for no reason. Oldcranky On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: > > Check the bid history, my point is proven. There is someone who wants that > machine for $1,060+That bidder is:i***l( 1259) > Obviously, he/she was determined to find the previous bidder's limit and > then exceed it, no matter what the item is worth.The lesson to be learned > is this - don't place a proxy bid for more than you are actually > comfortable with paying, because someone will try to get you to your max. > > From: vinyl.visi...@live.com > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 11:04:39 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > > > > > Actually, this is the problem with placing "proxy" bids early on eBay. > He probably did not want to pay $1,000, but definitely wanted the machine > and didn't want to be sniped at the end, so placed a high proxy bid to > avoid being outbid. However, he didn't take into account the nutcase OCD > bidders who will keep bumping the bid until they discover your limit. Why > does anyone bid days ahead on eBay, since it's not an actual auction > anyway? The only thing that counts is the last bid. > > > > > Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 06:09:37 -0800 > > > From: john9...@pacbell.net > > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > > > > > A yeah. I get it. I find it amazing anyone would bid > that much for a Standard though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: George Glastris > > > To: Antique Phonograph List > > > Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 4:01 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > > > > > No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. > > > > > > - Original Message - From: "john robles" > > > > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > > > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM > > > Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > > > > > > > > > Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on > eBay. The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids > within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the > price from $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? > > > > John Robles > > > > > > > > PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! > 110+ YEARS OLD! > > > > ___ > > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > > http://phono-l.org > > > > > > ___ > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > http://phono-l.org > > > ___ > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > http://phono-l.org > > > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Check the bid history, my point is proven. There is someone who wants that machine for $1,060+That bidder is:i***l( 1259) Obviously, he/she was determined to find the previous bidder's limit and then exceed it, no matter what the item is worth.The lesson to be learned is this - don't place a proxy bid for more than you are actually comfortable with paying, because someone will try to get you to your max. > From: vinyl.visi...@live.com > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 11:04:39 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > > Actually, this is the problem with placing "proxy" bids early on eBay. He > probably did not want to pay $1,000, but definitely wanted the machine and > didn't want to be sniped at the end, so placed a high proxy bid to avoid > being outbid. However, he didn't take into account the nutcase OCD bidders > who will keep bumping the bid until they discover your limit. Why does anyone > bid days ahead on eBay, since it's not an actual auction anyway? The only > thing that counts is the last bid. > > > Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 06:09:37 -0800 > > From: john9...@pacbell.net > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > > > A yeah. I get it. I find it amazing anyone would bid that > > much for a Standard though. > > > > > > > > ________ > > From: George Glastris > > To: Antique Phonograph List > > Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 4:01 AM > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > > > No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. > > > > - Original Message - From: "john robles" > > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM > > Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > > > > > > Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. > > > The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a > > > few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from > > > $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? > > > John Robles > > > > > > PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ > > > YEARS OLD! > > > ___ > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > http://phono-l.org > > > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Actually, this is the problem with placing "proxy" bids early on eBay. He probably did not want to pay $1,000, but definitely wanted the machine and didn't want to be sniped at the end, so placed a high proxy bid to avoid being outbid. However, he didn't take into account the nutcase OCD bidders who will keep bumping the bid until they discover your limit. Why does anyone bid days ahead on eBay, since it's not an actual auction anyway? The only thing that counts is the last bid. > Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 06:09:37 -0800 > From: john9...@pacbell.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > A yeah. I get it. I find it amazing anyone would bid that > much for a Standard though. > > > > > From: George Glastris > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 4:01 AM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. > > - Original Message - From: "john robles" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > > > Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. > > The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a > > few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from > > $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? > > John Robles > > > > PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ YEARS > > OLD! > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Mine has the speed control through the top and also is in the shorter green oak case with a banner. On 3/3/12 8:17 AM, "Glenn Longwell" wrote: >Regarding the crank on Standards. My Standard A has the slotted crank as >I >thought they all did. So I checked Frow's book and he also says the A >had a >slotted crank. The Standard B's had threaded cranks. Is it possible >your >banner machine is the early Standard B that had the banner? My early B >with >banner has the threaded crank. The easiest way to tell if you have an A >or B >banner is whether the speed control knob is present above the bedplate on >the >front left of the machine. If it's there it's a Standard A. The B is >also >taller but that's not easy to tell if you don't have both machines to >compare. > >Glenn > > > > >From: Bill Taney >To: Antique Phonograph List >Sent: Sat, March 3, 2012 7:21:18 AM >Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > >It's probably someone who doesn't know what the machine is worth, they >both have lots of feedback (the bidders). I can't imagine paying more than >500 bucks for that machine. The one interesting thing of note is that it >has a slotted crank, not threaded. My banner standard A has a threaded >crank and so have all the others I have seen. It must be relatively early. > >On 3/3/12 6:01 AM, "George Glastris" wrote: > >>No, he was bidding against someone else.......but not catching up. >> >>- Original Message - >>From: "john robles" >>To: "Antique Phonograph List" >>Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM >>Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? >> >> >>> Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on >>>eBay. >>> The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within >>>a >>> few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price >>>from >>> $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? >>> John Robles >>> >>> PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ >>> YEARS OLD! >>> ___ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.org >> >>___ >>Phono-L mailing list >>http://phono-l.org > > >___ >Phono-L mailing list >http://phono-l.org >___ >Phono-L mailing list >http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Regarding the crank on Standards. My Standard A has the slotted crank as I thought they all did. So I checked Frow's book and he also says the A had a slotted crank. The Standard B's had threaded cranks. Is it possible your banner machine is the early Standard B that had the banner? My early B with banner has the threaded crank. The easiest way to tell if you have an A or B banner is whether the speed control knob is present above the bedplate on the front left of the machine. If it's there it's a Standard A. The B is also taller but that's not easy to tell if you don't have both machines to compare. Glenn From: Bill Taney To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sat, March 3, 2012 7:21:18 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? It's probably someone who doesn't know what the machine is worth, they both have lots of feedback (the bidders). I can't imagine paying more than 500 bucks for that machine. The one interesting thing of note is that it has a slotted crank, not threaded. My banner standard A has a threaded crank and so have all the others I have seen. It must be relatively early. On 3/3/12 6:01 AM, "George Glastris" wrote: >No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. > >- Original Message - >From: "john robles" >To: "Antique Phonograph List" >Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM >Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > >> Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on >>eBay. >> The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within >>a >> few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price >>from >> $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? >> John Robles >> >> PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ >> YEARS OLD! >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.org > >___ >Phono-L mailing list >http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Really? All banner Standard As I have had or seen the black slotted crank. The early banner Standard B had a threaded crank. The difference between the A and b Banner machines is that the A had the speed control knob above the bedplate, the B had the speed control below the bedplate. Are you sure your Standards were A models? John From: Bill Taney To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 4:21 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? It's probably someone who doesn't know what the machine is worth, they both have lots of feedback (the bidders). I can't imagine paying more than 500 bucks for that machine. The one interesting thing of note is that it has a slotted crank, not threaded. My banner standard A has a threaded crank and so have all the others I have seen. It must be relatively early. On 3/3/12 6:01 AM, "George Glastris" wrote: >No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. > >- Original Message - >From: "john robles" >To: "Antique Phonograph List" >Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM >Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > >> Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on >>eBay. >> The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within >>a >> few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price >>from >> $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? >> John Robles >> >> PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ >> YEARS OLD! >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.org > >___ >Phono-L mailing list >http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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A yeah. I get it. I find it amazing anyone would bid that much for a Standard though. From: George Glastris To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. - Original Message - From: "john robles" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. The > interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a few > minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to > $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? > John Robles > > PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ YEARS > OLD! > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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It's probably someone who doesn't know what the machine is worth, they both have lots of feedback (the bidders). I can't imagine paying more than 500 bucks for that machine. The one interesting thing of note is that it has a slotted crank, not threaded. My banner standard A has a threaded crank and so have all the others I have seen. It must be relatively early. On 3/3/12 6:01 AM, "George Glastris" wrote: >No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. > >- Original Message - >From: "john robles" >To: "Antique Phonograph List" >Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM >Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > >> Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on >>eBay. >> The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within >>a >> few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price >>from >> $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? >> John Robles >> >> PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ >> YEARS OLD! >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.org > >___ >Phono-L mailing list >http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. - Original Message - From: "john robles" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? John Robles PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ YEARS OLD! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? John Robles PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ YEARS OLD! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
