Re: [PHP] Recommendations for the Zend PHP Certification
On Sat, November 12, 2005 10:29 am, Gustavo Narea wrote: - AFAIK, there are 3 versions of the Standard SQL (1993, 1999 and 2003), but, Which one am I going to need for this test? I think it would be best to focus on SQL 92 because: A) It's unlikely that a significant number of Zend Cert questions would be THAT picuyane to depend on SQL99 (?) or SQL03 (??) B) Most db platforms haven't even caught up to SQL92 yet, not fully. They're all close but none are done. So you may miss a question or two because of the difference between reality and the Cert test question, but you won't miss a whole bunch of them. - Should I learn to use another HTTP server? HTTP server? It might be good to play with PHP on a Windows box, just to see what it's like... Not with IIS, though, as that's just TOO painful :-) There are enough differences there to stretch your mind a bit, and to get a better picture of how it all fits together, without driving you crazy. Another SQL server would probably be even more useful. PostgreSQL is probably the easiest (and certainly the cheapest) to try from a MySQL background. And PostgresQL is picky enough that all the bad habits you picked up in MySQL will get corrected pretty quick-like. :-) PS MySQL 5 has settings that allow it to be more standard, and that's a Good Thing (tm) imho. -- Like Music? http://l-i-e.com/artists.htm -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Recommendations for the Zend PHP Certification
Hi, Richard. Richard Lynch wrote: On Sat, November 12, 2005 10:29 am, Gustavo Narea wrote: - AFAIK, there are 3 versions of the Standard SQL (1993, 1999 and 2003), but, Which one am I going to need for this test? I think it would be best to focus on SQL 92 because: A) It's unlikely that a significant number of Zend Cert questions would be THAT picuyane to depend on SQL99 (?) or SQL03 (??) B) Most db platforms haven't even caught up to SQL92 yet, not fully. They're all close but none are done. So you may miss a question or two because of the difference between reality and the Cert test question, but you won't miss a whole bunch of them. Yes, I am going to take that into account. By the way, I was wrong: There are more than 3 versions of this standard; according wikipedia there are five. - Should I learn to use another HTTP server? HTTP server? It might be good to play with PHP on a Windows box, just to see what it's like... Not with IIS, though, as that's just TOO painful :-) Good ;-), I spent a couple of years using PHP on Window$ (with Apache) before switching to GNU/Linux a few months ago. Another SQL server would probably be even more useful. PostgreSQL is probably the easiest (and certainly the cheapest) to try from a MySQL background. And PostgresQL is picky enough that all the bad habits you picked up in MySQL will get corrected pretty quick-like. :-) That's a good reason for me to learn PostgreSQL! Thanks you so much, Richard. Regards. -- Gustavo Narea. PHP Documentation - Spanish Translation Team. Valencia, Venezuela. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Recommendations for the Zend PHP Certification
Hi, i mean http://www.phparch.com/cert/ :) -- Marco Aren't they the same books? I mean, I see the same authors, the same titles and the same pictures. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Recommendations for the Zend PHP Certification
On 12 Nov 2005, at 16:29, Gustavo Narea wrote: - Zend PHP Certification Study Guide. This book would be good if it were not so full of errors. With a bit of luck it's been revised since my edition (July 2004 printing); I noticed quite a few problems and then found a huge errata list on their site. Marcus -- Marcus Bointon Synchromedia Limited: Putting you in the picture [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.synchromedia.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Recommendations for the Zend PHP Certification
Hello. Alright, I get it. Thanks! Marco Kaiser wrote: Hi, i mean http://www.phparch.com/cert/ :) -- Marco Aren't they the same books? I mean, I see the same authors, the same titles and the same pictures. -- Gustavo Narea. PHP Documentation - Spanish Translation Team. Valencia, Venezuela. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Recommendations for the Zend PHP Certification
Hello everybody. I want to take the ZPC test the next year and I am going to buy these books: - Zend PHP Certification Study Guide. - Zend PHP Certification Practice Test Book. Are these ones enough? Should I get other books? By the way, my skills are oriented to LAMP and according to what I read on the ZPC's FAQs that is not good. I must know the Standard SQL, not only MySQL. So, I have these questions: - Where can I find the Standard SQL? I've been googling for it, but I couldn't find it. - AFAIK, there are 3 versions of the Standard SQL (1993, 1999 and 2003), but, Which one am I going to need for this test? - Should I learn to use another HTTP server? Do you have any other suggestion? Thanks in advanced! Cheers. -- Gustavo Narea. PHP Documentation - Spanish Translation Team. Valencia, Venezuela. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Recommendations for the Zend PHP Certification
Hi Gustavo, I want to take the ZPC test the next year and I am going to buy these books: - Zend PHP Certification Study Guide. - Zend PHP Certification Practice Test Book. Take the Study Guide from php-architect. Its better than the Zend book. By the way, my skills are oriented to LAMP and according to what I read on the ZPC's FAQs that is not good. I must know the Standard SQL, not only MySQL. So, I have these questions: - Where can I find the Standard SQL? I've been googling for it, but I couldn't find it. - AFAIK, there are 3 versions of the Standard SQL (1993, 1999 and 2003), but, Which one am I going to need for this test? - Should I learn to use another HTTP server? i'm certified and i can say, its not necessary that you learn the ANSI SQL Standard. Take your book start reading and i think you will pass the exam. -- Marco Kaiser -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Recommendations for the Zend PHP Certification
Hello, Marco. Thanks for your response! Marco Kaiser wrote: Hi Gustavo, I want to take the ZPC test the next year and I am going to buy these books: - Zend PHP Certification Study Guide. - Zend PHP Certification Practice Test Book. Take the Study Guide from php-architect. Its better than the Zend book. Aren't they the same books? I mean, I see the same authors, the same titles and the same pictures. Cheers. -- Gustavo Narea. PHP Documentation - Spanish Translation Team. Valencia, Venezuela. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend PHP Certification test
I've been looking all over the Zend Cert site, trying to find the passing rate, ie how many questions I have to get right in order to pass. Is this information secret, or have I just not looked in the right place. If it's the latter, please enlighten me. Thanks Rory -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend PHP Certification test
--- Rory Browne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been looking all over the Zend Cert site, trying to find the passing rate, ie how many questions I have to get right in order to pass. Is this information secret, or have I just not looked in the right place. It's not public information. Chris = Chris Shiflett - http://shiflett.org/ PHP Security - O'Reilly HTTP Developer's Handbook - Sams Coming December 2004http://httphandbook.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend PHP Certification test
Hi Rory, The passing score is not revealed. There is only a pass/fail on the test. Best, Daniel Kushner On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:08:32 +0100, Rory Browne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been looking all over the Zend Cert site, trying to find the passing rate, ie how many questions I have to get right in order to pass. Is this information secret, or have I just not looked in the right place. If it's the latter, please enlighten me. Thanks Rory -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend PHP Certification test
* Thus wrote j kensler: 1:11 1:15 1:19 heh.. I got this all graphed out on paper :) I'm simply looking for patterns to decipher what ever this is abut: - 7 (0x111) is an important key, no bit is ever added more than that - only one 10:XX - 10:07 - differences only occure between 1,2,3,4,7; cept when carried into the next hour. 0x001, 0x010, 0x011, 0x0100, 0x111 I know I'm way off but, those are some of my observations of the patterns involved. Curt -- The above comments may offend you. flame at will. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend PHP Certification test
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:05:33 -0500, j kensler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1:11 1:15 1:19 1:26 1:27 1:28 What about the durations between the times from frame to frame? like: 4,4,7,1,1 for the above. That's what I was graphing out yesterday evening. Some definate patterns in there. -- Greg Donald Zend Certified Engineer http://gdconsultants.com/ http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend PHP Certification test
[snip] I know I'm way off but, those are some of my observations of the patterns involved. [/snip] Anyone see that sneaky Shiflett character this morning? I sent in the answer -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend PHP Certification test
--- Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone see that sneaky Shiflett character this morning? I sent in the answer Several people, including Jay, are very close, but no one has solved it yet. If you were thinking of taking the Zend Certification exam anyway, this could save you $200. :-) Chris = Chris Shiflett - http://shiflett.org/ PHP Security - O'Reilly HTTP Developer's Handbook - Sams Coming December 2004http://httphandbook.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend PHP Certification test
one of the Israel company say thanks . the another from an arabs country (UAE) make fun of my write . what an unbelievable thing . On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:34:11 +0400, M Saleh EG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God help arabs if they release books that easily ! n specialy from a person who failed in ZCE.. On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 04:03:22 +0300, Alawi Albaity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I purchase the guide before month and because I am outside US it will be inn my country after another month ( I actually bought it pdf version from phparch but because of the issue between Sams they cancel pdf version and sent the print on thier own charge for the shipment) , when I see Zend offer I take it directly but ofcourse I now must read from manual because the last day is 30th September , so I read hard , but of course not all the manual , but what I feel its important to read in the manual . I do not figure out that zend write the objective untill the last day , I take the self test and it make me feel better but the self test making you feel like if you get 3 from 5 you will success , I arrive at the center , do what it have to be done , and log in the room and I was very excited about exam when I get the test I found out its very simple and easy but because I read from manual I have confused in a lot of things in exam . Example 1 : they give 4 function and ask you to choose 2 , in all my life I was just one function and for first time now I hear there are another function which help you to calc the file size , so I choose random function . Example 2 : they give you some space to fill some text from your experience , I think I must write what they think its truth , inn example one of space I confuse what to write (object or class) because I do not get the situation of the code or thing they talk about , and think what if you write the spelling wrong but you get the idea. Example 3: they ask you about the possibility of validate user input if its for only unTrusted person or on the internet or also give you 2 choice, I think this thing is belong to me to decide on my work experience and not the opinion of the testers . at the final I feel and believe in my heart like I get 60 or 50 of exam at least correct but the I end I figure out my grade is FAILED . I have 3 years experience with php , I build a script of thousands of lines , but the really point that I do not read thing in manual untill I feel I must read and I need it, I make lot of scripts on php from 3 years , I do not work ever with streams , and i get what I need in regular expression by test and test and test for the code , if you want my advice read a lot about arrays and if the function will give you the new value or will do the process in the same array and which type of array the function must use and return and how much of arrays they can handle. I write a book in php in arabic of more than 100 and it was the first book for arabs, , I make scripts for writers , sellers , shops And now i figure out that I must read good and install manual in my brain to be success . but what the benefit of this when I read I figure out that there are a lot of thinngs usefel in php that I do not know about . and give me a keys for a new things in php that I was do not care about it in the past . I encourage the people have a good brain to save information to get the test , and encourage the people to complete thier road of development , your work is the strongest approve of your Exprience and your hardwork . the problem that youu will not be in the yellow pages in the Zend site . finally , thanks to the people who write the test they make it very good and very simple and easy , they was so fair , who got good knowldge will pass . -- Alawi Albaity Jeddah - KSA Mobile : +966506660442 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- M.Saleh.E.G 97150-4779817 -- Alawi Albaity Jeddah - KSA Mobile : +966506660442 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend PHP Certification test
I haven't done the exam, yet, but based on some of the practice questions, I'm getting worried. I'm finding sample questions whose answers are not covered in the book. One such question was a list(, $var) = whatever, and nowhere in the book could I find an explanation for same. I've also used count, and strlen many times, but I've never used count on a non-array, which is what strlen returns. I'm just don't think I've screwed up enough yet, although I've been using PHP on and off for four years. Regards Rory -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend PHP Certification test
I'm glad to hear that, cause some of them did seem a bit difficult. I understood perfectly after seeing the correct answer and the explanation, but they were a little tricky. I would be interested in feedback on the exam. I am looking into taking the test, just hoping Zend runs the $100 deal again. I know I am too late but good luck this morning. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend PHP Certification test
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:55:29 -0700 (PDT), Chris Shiflett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be interested in hearing your honest feedback after you take it, whether privately or on this list. Hopefully ZCE becomes a respected acronym, unlike MCSE. :-) I passed. I thought the test was very challenging. The areas I found most difficult were the regular expressions, and the fill in the blank questions. I didn't feel like anything in there was 'tricky' in the sense that it was purposely misleading me to the wrong answer. But at the same time I'm pretty sure you can't just study the Zend guide for a couple weeks and expect to pass. You definatly have to have some years of hands-on PHP experience. I made heavy use of the 'mark for review' feature of the test. I marked about 15 questions going through, then came back at the end and actually answered them. This helped a lot because the pressure was off once I had seen all 70 questions and still had about 40 minutes to think through the ones I marked. I admit I guessed on a few of them. I just couldn't see a clear answer on some of the regex questions. But I knew going in that was a weak area for me personally. I'm sure glad it's done. :) -- Greg Donald Zend Certified Engineer http://gdconsultants.com/ http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend PHP Certification test
--- Rory Browne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't done the exam, yet, but based on some of the practice questions, I'm getting worried. I'm finding sample questions whose answers are not covered in the book. If you're talking about the questions in the back of the Zend Certification Guide, don't worry - those questions are much more difficult and obscure than what you'll find on the actual exam. If it makes you feel better, several of us from the advisory board looked through those at OSCON, and we all missed most of the first few questions. :-) One such question was a list(, $var) = whatever, and nowhere in the book could I find an explanation for same. Yeah, I got that one, but the other guys thought it would be a parse error or something. Having the comma first just skips the first argument - it's like you don't want to assign the first value to a variable. Not knowing this is fine. I've also used count, and strlen many times, but I've never used count on a non-array, which is what strlen returns. I think this is something you should be able to answer, but that's just me. It's true that most people who use count() use it on an array, but it's not really an array function. It just happens to not make much practical sense to count something that's only going to have one value (or null, which will return 0). However, while practicality is great, I think some theoretical foundation is also important. I didn't write this question, so that's not why I'm defending it. :-) Some of the questions in the guide require you to deduce the correct answer from what you've learned. This can rarely be achieved if the guide is your only exposure to a topic, and this is somewhat intentional. We tried to target developers who have at least 6 months of professional PHP experience (e.g., you've been writing non-trivial PHP applications every day for at least 6 months). The guide was written to help people expose themselves to a broader range of topics than their practical experience might have exposed them to, because the exam is pretty thorough. I think a very experienced developer can pass the exam without using the guide with little trouble, but I don't think an inexperienced developer can read the guide and hope to pass. You need more than that. Hope that helps. Chris = Chris Shiflett - http://shiflett.org/ PHP Security - O'Reilly HTTP Developer's Handbook - Sams Coming December 2004http://httphandbook.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend PHP Certification test
--- Matt M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking into taking the test, just hoping Zend runs the $100 deal again. You can win a free pass to take the exam by being the first to solve this puzzle: http://shiflett.org/archive/55 Enjoy. :-) Chris = Chris Shiflett - http://shiflett.org/ PHP Security - O'Reilly HTTP Developer's Handbook - Sams Coming December 2004http://httphandbook.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Zend PHP Certification test
snip I passed. snip Greg Donald Zend Certified Engineer http://gdconsultants.com/ http://destiney.com/ Congratulations Greg. Like the new sig ! ;) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Zend PHP Certification test
Hi, I'd be interested in hearing your honest feedback after you take it, whether privately or on this list. Hopefully ZCE becomes a respected acronym, unlike MCSE. :-) I passed. I thought the test was very challenging. The areas I found most Congrats! -Dan Joseph -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend PHP Certification test
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:17:53 -0700 (PDT), Chris Shiflett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think a very experienced developer can pass the exam without using the guide with little trouble, but I don't think an inexperienced developer can read the guide and hope to pass. You need more than that. I agree. At the same time, I actually learned a few things from the guide. Like how useful preg_match_all() is for example. I never used it before, but I definitely will in the future. Everyone has their weak points, and the guide will point those out to you. -- Greg Donald Zend Certified Engineer http://gdconsultants.com/ http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Zend PHP Certification test
This is very interesting reading. I've been using PHP (almost) daily for the past 7 months so Chris' comments do encourage me to consider the possibility of going for the certification in time. I do think I would need the study guide though as there are many topics being discussed on this list that are new to me and my experience has been with only one application at present. My problem (as I'm sure is true with many others) is that I need to get the job done ASAP and rarely have time to research the 'best' way of doing things. This list is very good at getting me to see alternatives to how I am doing things. Thanks Graham -Original Message- From: Chris Shiflett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 September 2004 18:18 To: Rory Browne; PHP General Subject: Re: [PHP] Zend PHP Certification test --- Rory Browne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't done the exam, yet, but based on some of the practice questions, I'm getting worried. I'm finding sample questions whose answers are not covered in the book. If you're talking about the questions in the back of the Zend Certification Guide, don't worry - those questions are much more difficult and obscure than what you'll find on the actual exam. If it makes you feel better, several of us from the advisory board looked through those at OSCON, and we all missed most of the first few questions. :-) One such question was a list(, $var) = whatever, and nowhere in the book could I find an explanation for same. Yeah, I got that one, but the other guys thought it would be a parse error or something. Having the comma first just skips the first argument - it's like you don't want to assign the first value to a variable. Not knowing this is fine. I've also used count, and strlen many times, but I've never used count on a non-array, which is what strlen returns. I think this is something you should be able to answer, but that's just me. It's true that most people who use count() use it on an array, but it's not really an array function. It just happens to not make much practical sense to count something that's only going to have one value (or null, which will return 0). However, while practicality is great, I think some theoretical foundation is also important. I didn't write this question, so that's not why I'm defending it. :-) Some of the questions in the guide require you to deduce the correct answer from what you've learned. This can rarely be achieved if the guide is your only exposure to a topic, and this is somewhat intentional. We tried to target developers who have at least 6 months of professional PHP experience (e.g., you've been writing non-trivial PHP applications every day for at least 6 months). The guide was written to help people expose themselves to a broader range of topics than their practical experience might have exposed them to, because the exam is pretty thorough. I think a very experienced developer can pass the exam without using the guide with little trouble, but I don't think an inexperienced developer can read the guide and hope to pass. You need more than that. Hope that helps. Chris = Chris Shiflett - http://shiflett.org/ PHP Security - O'Reilly HTTP Developer's Handbook - Sams Coming December 2004http://httphandbook.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Zend PHP Certification test
Hi, You can win a free pass to take the exam by being the first to solve this puzzle: http://shiflett.org/archive/55 Which part on this page is the puzzle? -Dan Joseph -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Zend PHP Certification test
[snip] You can win a free pass to take the exam by being the first to solve this puzzle: http://shiflett.org/archive/55 Which part on this page is the puzzle? [/snip] The clock. BEWARE - real time eater-upper! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Zend PHP Certification test
--- Dan Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, You can win a free pass to take the exam by being the first to solve this puzzle: http://shiflett.org/archive/55 Which part on this page is the puzzle? Maybe that's the puzzle... :^) -Dan Joseph -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php = Mark Weinstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** You can't demand something as a right unless you are willing to fight to death to defend everyone else's right to the same thing. *** __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Zend PHP Certification test
--- Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] You can win a free pass to take the exam by being the first to solve this puzzle: http://shiflett.org/archive/55 Which part on this page is the puzzle? [/snip] The clock. BEWARE - real time eater-upper! Yeah, it's just the clock, as Jay points out. No one has won yet, so there's still a free pass available. (Thanks to Zend for sponsoring this fun little game.) Chris = Chris Shiflett - http://shiflett.org/ PHP Security - O'Reilly HTTP Developer's Handbook - Sams Coming December 2004http://httphandbook.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend PHP Certification test
You can win a free pass to take the exam by being the first to solve this puzzle: http://shiflett.org/archive/55 Enjoy. :-) I think I have it, why dont you email me the answer and I will double check that against what I got. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend PHP Certification test
[snip] You can win a free pass to take the exam by being the first to solve this puzzle: http://shiflett.org/archive/55 Enjoy. :-) I think I have it, why dont you email me the answer and I will double check that against what I got. [/snip] Hey Matt, want me to check your work? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend PHP Certification test
do not make the story too complicated , its too simple . On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:59:25 +0400, M Saleh EG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Alawi I'm not making fun of you! yeah yeah tell me about it thats right and clear ! I'm saying wat's right! How can you right a book about a programming language while you're not qualified ?! oh yeah ? what the approve? the exam ? the exam is just beginning this months , I was certified before from skill drill , their exam was the hardest but its cheapest . and the thing what make you qualified is not the paper only its also your work and what you learn to the people is what they get. It's not about nationalities or religion. nor it's chemistry or physics it's PHP! oh really? I just know that ! who talk about nationalities or religion . I do not even know your really your nationality or religion we are in the middle of the list have different of people they from different nationalities and religions , so now we should care about the material of the talkers and what they must to be in their method of talking and respect . If you know what Islam is then you know what I'm talking about. The truth is supposed to be said ! do not insert islam now , I know islam but I totally do not know what you talk about . do not insert islam now , who suppose to tell the truth ? you ? who ask you ? and what the approves that make what you said is the truth ? who know you ? I mean how can you write a book if you are not even ready for an exam? book writing is simple than exam , why ? because it only need from you read , understand by example , practise , rewrite the concept of the thing in your language , and making the concept very simple . and plus as I know what PHP means in the arabs world... it's mainly downloading script and reframing it. do not you now generalize this thing on all Arabs world , yeah 90 % of Arabs think that php is just scripts to install , but there also 10% at least if its not more . who learn and study in IT and know what the meaning of php as a language and what they really can do with it . Don't you see these people who write books in english all PHDs and 10+ years experience in programming (not in PHP) I mean I know how it goes in the arab world, and I've seen the PHP groups n been to their meetings. I left all of them. They just know how to install scripts that's it ! again do not generalize that , I know a good people of Arabs working hard as groups they do a lot of useful things , please open php.net and read about PHP Tunisie Magazine and tell me that person who direct this is not from Arabs , please tell about working to translate the manual from English , tell me they only know to install php scripts , maybe you talk about the beginners status or maybe you was like that in the past . Basicaly it's just programming. That's it. its not just programming its programming and producting . Anyways I didnt mean to offend you in anyways. thank you very much . Wish you success. I wish that for you too . I can not go ahead any more about this dissction , its off with me in this list , if you wannt to talk more please between me and you in private , I afraid to be blocked in this list . Best Regards . -- Alawi Albaity Jeddah - KSA Mobile : +966506660442 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:20:19 -0700 (PDT), in php.general [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Shiflett) wrote: You can win a free pass to take the exam by being the first to solve this puzzle: http://shiflett.org/archive/55 This is just too easy: The shown times are posting-times for one day on this list, for posts regarding mysql. -- - Peter Brodersen -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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This is just too easy: The shown times are posting-times for one day on this list, for posts regarding mysql. ah ha. could also be unsubscribe emails -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 19:24:42 -0500, j kensler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Time since last post to this list I ran strings on it thinking maybe there was some hidden text, turned up nothing. But if you disassemble the gif into individual frames, there are some interesting patterns in the graphical time spans. I have yet to make any sense of them however. The part that is really perplexing me is how the gif starts on a random frame on Chris' site, but will only start on the first frame in my Konquerer view. I'm calling it quits but wanted to pass on my findings thus far. -- Greg Donald Zend Certified Engineer http://gdconsultants.com/ http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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[PHP] Zend PHP Certification test
I was wondering if anyone on the list has taken the Zend PHP Certification test? I bought the Zend study guide and have read it cover to cover, then I went back and re-read a bunch of it again in areas where I felt weak. I've been studying heavily the past two weeks and I have the test tomorrow morning. So I'm wondering what anyone who has taken the test might recommend studying the most during my last 24 hours prior? Most of the security stuff I've known and practiced for a long time now, so I'm pretty comfortable there. But there seems to be a lot of gotchas working with the string and regular expression functions.. I don't know, maybe that's just my perception. I'm definatly not a regular expression master, even with years of working with Perl, so I've been hitting that part pretty hard. The open ended 'name that function' questions worry me, as I've always relied on the fine PHP manual for quick lookups when I can't recall something. What areas did any of you find particularly challenging? TIA for your input.. -- Greg Donald http://gdconsultants.com/ http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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[Disclaimer: I am on the Zend Advisory Board and helped create the
Zend Certification exam.]
--- Greg Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I bought the Zend study guide and have read it cover to cover
That's a good approach. I don't think the guide is a good substitute for
experience, but it's as broad as the exam itself, so you get a good idea
about what topics are covered, and the discussion on those topics is there
in case you feel like you need a refresher. In a few cases, the author of
a particular chapter in the guide also wrote the exam questions on that
topic.
I went back and re-read a bunch of it again in areas where I
felt weak. I've been studying heavily the past two weeks and I
have the test tomorrow morning. So I'm wondering what anyone
who has taken the test might recommend studying the most during
my last 24 hours prior?
Zend has a few questions available here:
http://zend.com/store/education/certification/self-test.php
They're obviously not on the exam, but they give you an idea about how the
questions might be worded and such. The first question is:
What is the value of $a?
?php
$a = 123 == 0123;
?
I think this question is a little tricky, so I don't like it. It requires
you to realize that 0123 is going to be interpreted as an octal value due
to the leading zero. While we tried to avoid trick questions, a few of
them
are just a bit tricky. Don't let that leading zero thing mess you up. :-)
Another one on Zend's site is what I consider a very good question:
What is the value of $result in the following PHP code?
?php
function timesTwo($int) {
$int = $int * 2;
}
$int = 2;
$result = timesTwo($int);
?
This question requires that you realize how functions and return values
work. This would be difficult for someone who wasn't an experienced PHP
developer, but for anyone who has much experience with PHP, it's easy.
Another question I like is this:
What will be the output of the following PHP code:
?php
echo count(strlen(http://php.net;));
?
Now, I would expect someone like John Holmes (or any of the other major
contributors to this list) to note that you may as well use single quotes
there, because no interpretation of the string is necessary. :-) But,
that's not the point of the question.
Answering this requires that you can deduce what strlen() and count() do,
or that you happen to remember - whatever works. :-) This is also the type
of question that I think inexperienced developers will have trouble
answering correctly, while experienced developers are unlikely to miss.
Because strlen() returns the length of the string (one thing), the count
of that return is going to be 1.
I'm definatly not a regular expression master
I bet you can miss every regular expression question and still pass the
exam. Don't worry too much about a single topic, unless you're confident
in every other area. Keep in mind that the exam is as broad as PHP itself,
and there are only 70 questions. So, no single topic is going to be very
important overall - you want to be fairly proficient in all areas.
The open ended 'name that function' questions worry me, as I've
always relied on the fine PHP manual for quick lookups when I
can't recall something.
We kept this in mind when writing the questions. In general, when a quick
reference to http://www.php.net/foo would tell you an answer, the question
was thrown out. This includes the order of the arguments for most things,
especially since PHP has a reputation for being inconsistent in this
regard. :-)
However, you should know the names of the common functions. I know that's
vague, but I seriously doubt anyone who has been developing in PHP would
not know what functions trims whitespace (trim), what function returns the
length of a string (strlen), or what function can be used to set an HTTP
header (header). On the other hand, it would be ridiculous to expect
people to know what functions like cpdf_set_current_page(), crack_check(),
or pfpro_init() do. You might be familiar with these functions, but I
don't think anyone would consider them mainstream.
Hope that helps, and good luck on the exam.
Chris
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On Sep 30, 2004, at 8:01 AM, Greg Donald wrote: I was wondering if anyone on the list has taken the Zend PHP Certification test? I bought the Zend study guide and have read it cover to cover, then I went back and re-read a bunch of it again in areas where I felt weak. I've been studying heavily the past two weeks and I have the test tomorrow morning. So I'm wondering what anyone who has taken the test might recommend studying the most during my last 24 hours prior? Hi Greg, I sat the test last Wednesday after going through the guide cover to cover. Whilst there were a number of questions which were definitely experience-based, I found the questions were generally somewhat easier than the chapter questions and practice exam questions in the guide. If you're happy with those you should have no trouble in the exam. All the best for tomorrow morning! James McGlinn Project Manager BCom, BSc, Zend Certified Engineer (PHP) Servers.co.nz Ltd 68 Shortland St PO Box 3688 Shortland St, Auckland, New Zealand Phone: 0800 4 SERVERS Fax: +64 9 358 5187 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:01:22 -0700 (PDT), Chris Shiflett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Disclaimer: I am on the Zend Advisory Board and helped create the Zend Certification exam.] Thanks for your insite. Knowing you were involved, I was actually hoping you might reply to my post. I got 4/5 on the practice test, which makes me feel a _little_ better. I sure wish it would have told me the one I missed though. :( -- Greg Donald http://gdconsultants.com/ http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:36:50 -0500, Greg Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: insite insight too! I'm a nervous wreck today.. -- Greg Donald http://gdconsultants.com/ http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:25:09 +1200, James McGlinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sat the test last Wednesday after going through the guide cover to cover. Whilst there were a number of questions which were definitely experience-based, I found the questions were generally somewhat easier than the chapter questions and practice exam questions in the guide. If you're happy with those you should have no trouble in the exam. I'm glad to hear that, cause some of them did seem a bit difficult. I understood perfectly after seeing the correct answer and the explanation, but they were a little tricky. All the best for tomorrow morning! Thanks! :) -- Greg Donald http://gdconsultants.com/ http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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--- Greg Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Knowing you were involved, I was actually hoping you might reply to my post. I'd be interested in hearing your honest feedback after you take it, whether privately or on this list. Hopefully ZCE becomes a respected acronym, unlike MCSE. :-) I got 4/5 on the practice test, which makes me feel a _little_ better. I sure wish it would have told me the one I missed though. Yeah, that's annoying. Let me run through it and tell you the answers... 1. B 2. null 3. B 4. D 5. 1 Hope that helps. Chris = Chris Shiflett - http://shiflett.org/ PHP Security - O'Reilly HTTP Developer's Handbook - Sams Coming December 2004http://httphandbook.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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--- James McGlinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sat the test last Wednesday after going through the guide cover to cover. Whilst there were a number of questions which were definitely experience-based, I found the questions were generally somewhat easier than the chapter questions and practice exam questions in the guide. Those questions in the guide are harder than the ones on the exam for sure. I think some of them are ridiculously hard myself. If you can do reasonably well on those things, then you're sure to pass the real thing. Chris = Chris Shiflett - http://shiflett.org/ PHP Security - O'Reilly HTTP Developer's Handbook - Sams Coming December 2004http://httphandbook.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Sep 30, 2004, at 12:20 PM, j kensler wrote: How long is the Zend certification 'good' for? Daniel Kushner (Director of Education at Zend) has said: [1] [The] certifcation doesn't expire. The Education Advisory Board believe that a new exam should be released on every major version of PHP once it becomes main stream. In my opinion, the PHP 5 certification will be release in late 2005. James McGlinn Project Manager BCom, BSc, Zend Certified Engineer (PHP) Servers.co.nz Ltd 68 Shortland St, Auckland PO Box 3688 Shortland St, Auckland, New Zealand Phone: 0800 4 SERVERS Fax: +64 9 358 5187 [1] http://www.phparch.com/discuss/index.php/m/3421/0/#msg_3421
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I purchase the guide before month and because I am outside US it will be inn my country after another month ( I actually bought it pdf version from phparch but because of the issue between Sams they cancel pdf version and sent the print on thier own charge for the shipment) , when I see Zend offer I take it directly but ofcourse I now must read from manual because the last day is 30th September , so I read hard , but of course not all the manual , but what I feel its important to read in the manual . I do not figure out that zend write the objective untill the last day , I take the self test and it make me feel better but the self test making you feel like if you get 3 from 5 you will success , I arrive at the center , do what it have to be done , and log in the room and I was very excited about exam when I get the test I found out its very simple and easy but because I read from manual I have confused in a lot of things in exam . Example 1 : they give 4 function and ask you to choose 2 , in all my life I was just one function and for first time now I hear there are another function which help you to calc the file size , so I choose random function . Example 2 : they give you some space to fill some text from your experience , I think I must write what they think its truth , inn example one of space I confuse what to write (object or class) because I do not get the situation of the code or thing they talk about , and think what if you write the spelling wrong but you get the idea. Example 3: they ask you about the possibility of validate user input if its for only unTrusted person or on the internet or also give you 2 choice, I think this thing is belong to me to decide on my work experience and not the opinion of the testers . at the final I feel and believe in my heart like I get 60 or 50 of exam at least correct but the I end I figure out my grade is FAILED . I have 3 years experience with php , I build a script of thousands of lines , but the really point that I do not read thing in manual untill I feel I must read and I need it, I make lot of scripts on php from 3 years , I do not work ever with streams , and i get what I need in regular expression by test and test and test for the code , if you want my advice read a lot about arrays and if the function will give you the new value or will do the process in the same array and which type of array the function must use and return and how much of arrays they can handle. I write a book in php in arabic of more than 100 and it was the first book for arabs, , I make scripts for writers , sellers , shops And now i figure out that I must read good and install manual in my brain to be success . but what the benefit of this when I read I figure out that there are a lot of thinngs usefel in php that I do not know about . and give me a keys for a new things in php that I was do not care about it in the past . I encourage the people have a good brain to save information to get the test , and encourage the people to complete thier road of development , your work is the strongest approve of your Exprience and your hardwork . the problem that youu will not be in the yellow pages in the Zend site . finally , thanks to the people who write the test they make it very good and very simple and easy , they was so fair , who got good knowldge will pass . -- Alawi Albaity Jeddah - KSA Mobile : +966506660442 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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--- j kensler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How long is the Zend certification 'good' for? It doesn't expire, but it's for a specific version of PHP (minor version number, not point release). The yellow pages at Zend will be enhanced to indicate the version number as well as the date once it becomes relevant. Right now, every ZCE is current. :-) Hope that helps. Chris = Chris Shiflett - http://shiflett.org/ PHP Security - O'Reilly HTTP Developer's Handbook - Sams Coming December 2004http://httphandbook.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Dear Alawi, I would like to thank you for your complements on the exam. The guys that wrote it definitely did an excellent job and produced a test of the highest quality. Your experience shows that even seasoned developers can enhance their PHP skills by studying for the exam. This is something I have heard numerous times and hope it will increase the quality of PHP development in the market. Best, Daniel Kushner __ Director of Education Zend Technologies Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.zend.com == Learn PHP from the experts, sign up for Zend's online training starting October 11th http://www.zend.com/store/education/zend-online-training.php == On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 04:03:22 +0300, Alawi Albaity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I purchase the guide before month and because I am outside US it will be inn my country after another month ( I actually bought it pdf version from phparch but because of the issue between Sams they cancel pdf version and sent the print on thier own charge for the shipment) , when I see Zend offer I take it directly but ofcourse I now must read from manual because the last day is 30th September , so I read hard , but of course not all the manual , but what I feel its important to read in the manual . I do not figure out that zend write the objective untill the last day , I take the self test and it make me feel better but the self test making you feel like if you get 3 from 5 you will success , I arrive at the center , do what it have to be done , and log in the room and I was very excited about exam when I get the test I found out its very simple and easy but because I read from manual I have confused in a lot of things in exam . Example 1 : they give 4 function and ask you to choose 2 , in all my life I was just one function and for first time now I hear there are another function which help you to calc the file size , so I choose random function . Example 2 : they give you some space to fill some text from your experience , I think I must write what they think its truth , inn example one of space I confuse what to write (object or class) because I do not get the situation of the code or thing they talk about , and think what if you write the spelling wrong but you get the idea. Example 3: they ask you about the possibility of validate user input if its for only unTrusted person or on the internet or also give you 2 choice, I think this thing is belong to me to decide on my work experience and not the opinion of the testers . at the final I feel and believe in my heart like I get 60 or 50 of exam at least correct but the I end I figure out my grade is FAILED . I have 3 years experience with php , I build a script of thousands of lines , but the really point that I do not read thing in manual untill I feel I must read and I need it, I make lot of scripts on php from 3 years , I do not work ever with streams , and i get what I need in regular expression by test and test and test for the code , if you want my advice read a lot about arrays and if the function will give you the new value or will do the process in the same array and which type of array the function must use and return and how much of arrays they can handle. I write a book in php in arabic of more than 100 and it was the first book for arabs, , I make scripts for writers , sellers , shops And now i figure out that I must read good and install manual in my brain to be success . but what the benefit of this when I read I figure out that there are a lot of thinngs usefel in php that I do not know about . and give me a keys for a new things in php that I was do not care about it in the past . I encourage the people have a good brain to save information to get the test , and encourage the people to complete thier road of development , your work is the strongest approve of your Exprience and your hardwork . the problem that youu will not be in the yellow pages in the Zend site . finally , thanks to the people who write the test they make it very good and very simple and easy , they was so fair , who got good knowldge will pass . -- Alawi Albaity Jeddah - KSA Mobile : +966506660442 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 09:05:42AM -0700, Sheeraz fazal wrote: I need information about the php certification, from www.expertrating.com . Does this site has good market reputation? I took 10 minutes yesterday and checked out one of their free tests on computer literacy or something like that. The questions were poorly worded, rife with misspellings, and had illogical choices. Some choice snippets: This exam is best viewed using Internet Explorere 5.0 or above Q1: You have a mouse attached to your computer which suddenly stops working. You quickly replace the mouse with another one which has been manufactured by a different company. Will it work? (my options are yes and no. there is no way to make an accurate guess is not an option) Q27: If you are looking for information about a certain subject on the Internet, what is the quickest way to get started? Q?: Where is the Calculator located in the Windows Program menu? (my options were 4 different Windows menu paths) You can be the judge based on that, I suppose. If their PHP exam is anything like this one, though, the final certification will mean nothing except that you gave them $10. -- [ joel boonstra | gospelcom.net ] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On 3/16/2004 2:50:52 PM, joel boonstra ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 09:05:42AM -0700, Sheeraz fazal wrote: I need information about the php certification, from www.expertrating. com . Does this site has good market reputation? I took 10 minutes yesterday and checked out one of their free tests on computer literacy or something like that. The questions were poorly worded, rife with misspellings, and had illogical choices. Some choice snippets: This exam is best viewed using Internet Explorere 5.0 or above Q1: You have a mouse attached to your computer which suddenly stops working. You quickly replace the mouse with another one which has been manufactured by a different company. Will it work? (my options are yes and no. there is no way to make an accurate guess is not an option) Q27: If you are looking for information about a certain subject on the Internet, what is the quickest way to get started? Q?: Where is the Calculator located in the Windows Program menu? (my options were 4 different Windows menu paths) You can be the judge based on that, I suppose. If their PHP exam is anything like this one, though, the final certification True...the only good thing is they are going after the dolts for only 10$, with new users coming on the net everyday they are trying their luck. I've seen a couple of sites like this top--sites being one...NO1 bastards spammers as I wrote and told them, there was also a site selling the installation of OSCommerce for $450 !! Cant really blame these guys for trying , but I doubt they will get many people as a person who goes for their PHP exam would know programming and computers...which will tell them pretty soon this is a scam. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] PHP Certification
HI, I need information about the php certification, from www.expertrating.com . Does this site has good market reputation? Does www.php.net has some plans to introduce certification path? Comments welcome. Thanks, Sheri, -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Sheeraz fazal wrote: I need information about the php certification, from www.expertrating.com . Does this site has good market reputation? Does www.php.net has some plans to introduce certification path? No plans from us, no. Running a certification program is a lot of work and I would prefer to see developers develop, not try to manage a certification program. As for the www.expertrating.com thing? Never heard of it. If a resume crossed my desk with a reference to something like that on it I would probably chuckle and think the person got bilked out of the $9.95 it apparently costs. It may of course be very good, I have no idea, I just don't hold certification programs in very high regard in general. -Rasmus -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Certification
Give a good graphics guy some $$ and he'll make you one of the best certificates that your $$ can buy...that does not mean that you can actually program in the language thats written on the certificate... When I was learning computers I studied COBOL, Hated it and cant remember crap about it now...not even 2 lines...but my (old) certificate says I'm pretty good at it :-) Basically it all comes down to how good you can actually prove yourself in your field..certificates most of the time are not worth the paper they are printed on but look good once you hang it on the wall ;-) Just my $0.2 Cheers, -Ryan * HI, I need information about the php certification, from www.expertrating.com . Does this site has good market reputation? Does www.php.net has some plans to introduce certification path? Comments welcome. Thanks, Sheri, -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Certification
Hello Sheeraz, Monday, March 15, 2004, 4:05:42 PM, you wrote: Sf I need information about the php certification, from www.expertrating.com . Sf Does this site has good market reputation? Sf Does www.php.net has some plans to introduce certification path? Unless they are internationally and industry recognised like the Novell, Cisco, Oracle or Microsoft certificates it's probably not worth the money (if any?) involved in obtaining it. You would be better off spending your time working on a solid portfolio that showcases both sites AND code that you've written. If you already have those then I don't see how that expertrating thing can hurt, but don't bank on it holding too much sway. -- Best regards, Richard Davey http://www.phpcommunity.org/wiki/296.html -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] PHP Certification: We need your comments
To: Php General mailing List Pear General mailing List Dear All, Some time ago, our site (Dotgeek.org) started a PHP certification (full details at http://www.dotgeek.org/about.php?type=certify ). The programme has, in my humble opinion, some good points. A free certification managed with some open standards, with an open and public certification board could bring some benefit to freelancers and PHP Developers. The Problem The first issue is the impressions we left to some people. Because the certification requires a number of tutorials or code samples to be posted on our site, someone had the wrong impression that this was a way to fill the site with content with little effort. The opposite is true, the public method was meant to provide some community based feedback. The site does not host banners nor propose any sort of subscription, so there is really no financial gain from this initiative. The second problem is the tutorials quality. Many of the posting would probably not qualify for a number of issues. We need your comments After a discussion with the other board members (Chris Shiflett and John Coggeshall) there are a number of possible modifications to the current programme: Solution A Make the programme more specific Under this proposal the programme will grant certifications on a speciality: PHP Security (global variables, file uploads, permission, etc.) PHP Object Oriented Programming (creating an object, declaring a class, class usage ...) PHP and Databases (using PHP to access a database, relational databases, practical applications) Each specialty with require: -Theory: Submission of a 3000 /3500 words paper on the topic -Practice: Submission of code samples in that speciality Both the submission and the code samples will NOT be published in the dotgeek website unless the author specifically requests it. The certification will be offered once again free. Solution B Is there a need of such a certification? If you feel that a PHP certification organized in this fashion is not necessary, let us know. Let us know what you think in the public poll discussion at http://www.dotgeek.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3 If you do have a solution C let us know. Your comments are very much appreciated. Regards David Costa -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Certification
Hello all, Thanks for the answers and opinions. If you all put it that way, it really seems like certifications are just another way for big companies to make money :) I was not looking for a PHP one as an option to replace experience, in fact I've been working with PHP for about 3 years now and have what I consider a lot (maybe not as much as some of you out there) of experience with it and recently I got a full time job as a PHP developer and couldn't be hapier with my job :). I was just curious why the PHP developers or zend hadn't made plans for certifications, I guess the reason is cleared now. Thanks all!. Oscar F.- Warren Vail wrote: A working public website, that solves a business problem, is a good credential. I can't help but wonder if it takes more hours to develop a respectable site or to study and take an exam. Do you suppose the certification exam might actually be an easier option? Warren Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP Certification yeh well these exams come in modules , and are extremely pricey , i think good web examples, screenshots and experience should be enough, sadly i have not done uni so am frowned upon when looking for work but have experience in the work force, 4 years in IT now ok thats not enough but i have fine tuned my programming skills, i am wanting to move in java also now, i contract also but dont have much on my portfolio to show to get the jobs , just starting the business side of things and may have to work for near nothing just to get examples up, so i think portfolio examples are more important than certification. Certification programs, imho, exist primarily for two reasons; 1. it allows developers with little experience to add credibility to their claims that they know how to develop software. 2. it allows non-technical people involved in the hiring chain to make judgements when they have no clue at all how to judge good technical competence. Course, after you've been around a while, you learn that you cannot do a proper job of judging anyone's competence, even after many hours of interviews. The proof is in the project outcome. 3. Ok, I forgot the third reason... Someone will make lots of money selling training materials and administering the tests. Did you really think Microsoft got into this side of the business just to improve the quality of technical consulting. my 2 cents (ok, maybe 4 cents), Warren Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP Certification I find the value of such certification programs extremely questionable. here here :D -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP Certification
[snip] 3. Ok, I forgot the third reason... Someone will make lots of money selling training materials and administering the tests. Did you really think Microsoft got into this side of the business just to improve the quality of technical consulting. [/snip] Perhaps we could band together and make money off of this! ***toungue firmly in cheek*** -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP Certification
Hi, basis is way beyond what any of us have time for and personally I find the value of such certification programs extremely questionable. Questionable? Did you mean useless? Honestly, I've got a friend with a CCNA, he's sitting in an ISP's call center answering phones. He doesn't have a degree, and no one wants to talk to him. I also have a relative who recruits for Microsoft. They told me that the MCSD is meaningless. On a more positive note, there are several sites that I've run accross that offer PHP certifications. I believe www.brainbench.com is still around. They're the only one that I can think of off hand. -Dan Joseph -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] PHP Certification
Hello, Does anybody know of any plans for an official certification path for PHP?. Are they launching something like that anytime soon?. Just curious. Oscar F. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Certification
I am new to this list. Does this list also provide help with PHP? _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Certification
Stevie Peele wrote: I am new to this list. Does this list also provide help with PHP? Not sure what your post has to do with this thread, but what do you mean by also? What else does the list do? -- The above message is encrypted with double rot13 encoding. Any unauthorized attempt to decrypt it will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Certification
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Oscar F wrote: Does anybody know of any plans for an official certification path for PHP?. Are they launching something like that anytime soon?. Just curious. Who are they ? Do you mean the developers of PHP in general? Nope, no chance. We write code, we do not manage world-wide certification programs. Something like that would be a fulltime job for a whole team of people. Generally you do it through partners who offer local courses and some sort of standardized or approved certification test. The oversight of doing this on a global basis is way beyond what any of us have time for and personally I find the value of such certification programs extremely questionable. -Rasmus -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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I find the value of such certification programs extremely questionable. here here :D -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP Certification
Certification programs, imho, exist primarily for two reasons; 1. it allows developers with little experience to add credibility to their claims that they know how to develop software. 2. it allows non-technical people involved in the hiring chain to make judgements when they have no clue at all how to judge good technical competence. Course, after you've been around a while, you learn that you cannot do a proper job of judging anyone's competence, even after many hours of interviews. The proof is in the project outcome. 3. Ok, I forgot the third reason... Someone will make lots of money selling training materials and administering the tests. Did you really think Microsoft got into this side of the business just to improve the quality of technical consulting. my 2 cents (ok, maybe 4 cents), Warren Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP Certification I find the value of such certification programs extremely questionable. here here :D -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP Certification
yeh well these exams come in modules , and are extremely pricey , i think good web examples, screenshots and experience should be enough, sadly i have not done uni so am frowned upon when looking for work but have experience in the work force, 4 years in IT now ok thats not enough but i have fine tuned my programming skills, i am wanting to move in java also now, i contract also but dont have much on my portfolio to show to get the jobs , just starting the business side of things and may have to work for near nothing just to get examples up, so i think portfolio examples are more important than certification. Certification programs, imho, exist primarily for two reasons; 1. it allows developers with little experience to add credibility to their claims that they know how to develop software. 2. it allows non-technical people involved in the hiring chain to make judgements when they have no clue at all how to judge good technical competence. Course, after you've been around a while, you learn that you cannot do a proper job of judging anyone's competence, even after many hours of interviews. The proof is in the project outcome. 3. Ok, I forgot the third reason... Someone will make lots of money selling training materials and administering the tests. Did you really think Microsoft got into this side of the business just to improve the quality of technical consulting. my 2 cents (ok, maybe 4 cents), Warren Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP Certification I find the value of such certification programs extremely questionable. here here :D -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP Certification
A working public website, that solves a business problem, is a good credential. I can't help but wonder if it takes more hours to develop a respectable site or to study and take an exam. Do you suppose the certification exam might actually be an easier option? Warren Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP Certification yeh well these exams come in modules , and are extremely pricey , i think good web examples, screenshots and experience should be enough, sadly i have not done uni so am frowned upon when looking for work but have experience in the work force, 4 years in IT now ok thats not enough but i have fine tuned my programming skills, i am wanting to move in java also now, i contract also but dont have much on my portfolio to show to get the jobs , just starting the business side of things and may have to work for near nothing just to get examples up, so i think portfolio examples are more important than certification. Certification programs, imho, exist primarily for two reasons; 1. it allows developers with little experience to add credibility to their claims that they know how to develop software. 2. it allows non-technical people involved in the hiring chain to make judgements when they have no clue at all how to judge good technical competence. Course, after you've been around a while, you learn that you cannot do a proper job of judging anyone's competence, even after many hours of interviews. The proof is in the project outcome. 3. Ok, I forgot the third reason... Someone will make lots of money selling training materials and administering the tests. Did you really think Microsoft got into this side of the business just to improve the quality of technical consulting. my 2 cents (ok, maybe 4 cents), Warren Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP Certification I find the value of such certification programs extremely questionable. here here :D -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] ExpertRating launches PHP Certification Exam
Good news for the PHP developer community- a href=http://www.expertrating.com;ExpertRating/a, the global skills assessment provider has launched an online PHP Certification exam. Candidates who pass the exam will be mailed a hardcopy certificate of accomplishment. The launch of this exam has generated a lot of excitement in the PHP developer community. To know more, take a look at the a href=http://www.expertrating. com/details.asp?examid=91ExpertRating PHP Exam Information Page/a. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] ExpertRating launches PHP Certification Exam
I must be a suspicious character, but I haven't come across Expert Rating before, nor do I know what Pete's connection with Expert Rating is, so I went and looked at the PHP web site (where we are led to believe that we would expect to find a lot of excitement) but a site-wide search fails to yield a single hit. Ok I'll go straight to the horse's mouth and look at their own web site, where I get to thinking about a certification body in the UK (based in Bristol) that has its prices set in USD. Question: who has achieved this distinction and how many employers have commented that the Expert Rating evaluation was the MAJOR selling point? =dn Good news for the PHP developer community- a href=http://www.expertrating.com;ExpertRating/a, the global skills assessment provider has launched an online PHP Certification exam. Candidates who pass the exam will be mailed a hardcopy certificate of accomplishment. The launch of this exam has generated a lot of excitement in the PHP developer community. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] PHP certification
Does anyone know if there are plans to offer a PHP certification in the future? I know this can be a mute point, I am just curious. Thanks! Clint -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] PHP certification
Brainbench? Regards, Andrey Hristov - Original Message - From: clint [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PHP General [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 11:13 PM Subject: [PHP] PHP certification Does anyone know if there are plans to offer a PHP certification in the future? I know this can be a mute point, I am just curious. Thanks! Clint -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Certification
I know it's not specifically what you're looking for, but it may help further the discussion. We offer PHP training courses. While it's not 'certification' in the sense that we're not a 'well-known, respected' authority, we provide a hands-on environment where you learn a series of skills - from hello world thru connecting to a database, add/edit/delete info from a db, and a bit more (user authentication techniques, etc). While we're not accredited in anyway, it has been helpful to many of our students who need the helping hand and/or something more than a book/magazine. We'd love to work with others in the PHP community to help develop a set of certification standards, though there doesn't seem to be a big outcry for it right now from the community. Christian Dechery wrote: I know this is a recurrent question around here... but it's always nice to ask: Is there (or is it in process of...) any kind of certification for PHP. I live in Brazil and have been developing with PHP+Mysql for over a year, but there are no courses around here... none. And in part, it's because there is no certification, or proof of any kind from a respected or well-known organization. --- michael kimsal http://www.tapinternet.com/php/ php training courses 734-480-9961 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Certification
The real reason I was looking for some kind of certification, is the course I'm trying to start. Here in Rio de Janeiro, there are ZERO PHP Training Courses (in all Brazil I don't think there are more than three), and I think Certification is the reason. All other courses has a certification or at least a diploma from a 'Macromedia Certified' or 'Microsoft Oficial Partner' establishment. It wouldn't be so bad to have 'PHP Endorsing Site', 'PHP Certified Professional' and so on... don't you think? At 11:51 27/8/2001 -0400, Michael Kimsal wrote: I know it's not specifically what you're looking for, but it may help further the discussion. We offer PHP training courses. While it's not 'certification' in the sense that we're not a 'well-known, respected' authority, we provide a hands-on environment where you learn a series of skills - from hello world thru connecting to a database, add/edit/delete info from a db, and a bit more (user authentication techniques, etc). While we're not accredited in anyway, it has been helpful to many of our students who need the helping hand and/or something more than a book/magazine. We'd love to work with others in the PHP community to help develop a set of certification standards, though there doesn't seem to be a big outcry for it right now from the community. Christian Dechery wrote: I know this is a recurrent question around here... but it's always nice to ask: Is there (or is it in process of...) any kind of certification for PHP. I live in Brazil and have been developing with PHP+Mysql for over a year, but there are no courses around here... none. And in part, it's because there is no certification, or proof of any kind from a respected or well-known organization. --- michael kimsal http://www.tapinternet.com/php/ php training courses 734-480-9961 p.s: meu novo email é [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Christian Dechery (lemming) . http://www.tanamesa.com.br . Gaita-L Owner / Web Developer -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PHP] Certification
I know this is a recurrent question around here... but it's always nice to ask: Is there (or is it in process of...) any kind of certification for PHP. I live in Brazil and have been developing with PHP+Mysql for over a year, but there are no courses around here... none. And in part, it's because there is no certification, or proof of any kind from a respected or well-known organization. . Christian Dechery (lemming) . http://www.tanamesa.com.br . Gaita-L Owner / Web Developer -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Certification
I am the employer... :) I don't think Brainbench is exactly what I was looking for... but thanks anyway. BTW... has anyone taken the Brainbench test? Is it difficult? If I were to use it... like, I give a PHP course, and add to the cost the US$ 20. How many hours of PHP do u think it would take the users to get certified? At 18:00 26/8/2001 -0400, Chris Lambert wrote: Brainbench offers a PHP certification: http://www.brainbench.com/xml/bb/common/testcenter/subcatresults.xml?cat1=9; cat2=31cat3=22 However, I'd contact employers in Brazil and see what their recommendations are in terms of degrees or certifications. /* Chris Lambert, CTO - [EMAIL PROTECTED] WhiteCrown Networks - More Than White Hats Web Application Security - www.whitecrown.net */ - Original Message - From: Christian Dechery [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 4:53 PM Subject: [PHP] Certification | I know this is a recurrent question around here... but it's always nice to ask: | | Is there (or is it in process of...) any kind of certification for PHP. | | I live in Brazil and have been developing with PHP+Mysql for over a year, | but there are no courses around here... none. And in part, it's because | there is no certification, or proof of any kind from a respected or | well-known organization. | | . Christian Dechery (lemming) | . http://www.tanamesa.com.br | . Gaita-L Owner / Web Developer | | | | -- | PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | . Christian Dechery (lemming) . http://www.tanamesa.com.br . Gaita-L Owner / Web Developer -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Certification
I don't think Brainbench is exactly what I was looking for... but thanks anyway. BTW... has anyone taken the Brainbench test? Is it difficult? I did, it is not that difficult. It can tell you if a future employee really knows PHP. But as an employer myself, I would never rely on such a test to check if a programmer is qualified. I would check general programming knowledge and problem solving, something that these test can't do. (at least not the one I took) py At 18:00 26/8/2001 -0400, Chris Lambert wrote: Brainbench offers a PHP certification: http://www.brainbench.com/xml/bb/common/testcenter/subcatresults.xml?cat1=9 cat2=31cat3=22 However, I'd contact employers in Brazil and see what their recommendations are in terms of degrees or certifications. /* Chris Lambert, CTO - [EMAIL PROTECTED] WhiteCrown Networks - More Than White Hats Web Application Security - www.whitecrown.net */ - Original Message - From: Christian Dechery [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 4:53 PM Subject: [PHP] Certification | I know this is a recurrent question around here... but it's always nice to ask: | | Is there (or is it in process of...) any kind of certification for PHP. | | I live in Brazil and have been developing with PHP+Mysql for over a year, | but there are no courses around here... none. And in part, it's because | there is no certification, or proof of any kind from a respected or | well-known organization. | | . Christian Dechery (lemming) | . http://www.tanamesa.com.br | . Gaita-L Owner / Web Developer | | | | -- | PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | . Christian Dechery (lemming) . http://www.tanamesa.com.br . Gaita-L Owner / Web Developer -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
