Re: [PHP] Re: Sending an e-mail to 1,000 people
Hello, Anas Mughal wrote: What would be the easiest and more effective way to check for bouncing email addresses? Setting the return-path address some pop mailbox address and check if that mail box gets any bounced messages. Regards, Manuel Lemos Thank you. --- Manuel Lemos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, B Richards wrote: How many emails per hour can people generate on a typical dedicated server? on qmail? on smtp? It depends on many things. Anyway, queueing is one thing and delivering is another. Queuing and delivering from the same machine is usually slow because it requires the server to resolve the domain and connecting with each recipient MX to deliver the messages. If the connection is slow, everything is stalled. For very large recipient lists like large mailing lists sites like eGroups, the recommended setup is at least one server for queuing the messages in one or many others. The queuing is best achieved using QMQP. SMTP is too slow because it degrades queuing speed exponentially with the number of recipients. Anyway in a network with one server for queueing (where ezmlm was) and 8 servers for delivery, it could queue 10.000 messages per minute using SMTP. With QMQP it would be much faster queueing because it would not expand VERP addresses and would only queue one message in the delivery servers. The actual delivery it depends a lot on the Internet link you have and the connectivity with the remote servers. Bouncing and hard to connect servers make it very slow. That is why it is important to prune the bouncing addresses from your mailing lists. ezmlm process is reasonably good handling bounces but I would not recommend starting a mailing list with a large number of subscribers without first pruning it because the last retry message that is sent to all bouncing addresses after 11 days (1.000.000 seconds) may choke your queuing server because it send out individual messages and if there are many bouncing addresses that can make your machine and network choke with very high traffic. Trust me, I had to put up with the embarrassment of choking a newsletter server with 1/3 of near 300.000 subscribers of MTV Brasil newsletter! Can you imagine almost 100.000 subscribers being mailed and bouncing at the same time. (Gulp!) Living and learning. :-) Regards, Manuel Lemos - Original Message - From: Manuel Lemos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ed Lazor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Sending an e-mail to 1,000 people Hello, Ed Lazor wrote: At 06:25 PM 2/2/2002 -0500, Chris Cocuzzo wrote: Godamnit. Shut-up about this already for godsakes and answer the original question!! LOL hehe good point Chris. Aleluia, somebody sensible! :-) Ben Clumeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message I would like to send an e-mail (the same e-mail) to 1,000 different people. I want each persons name to be in the To: field. Is there a way to customize it to where it can say Dear (having a different persons name corresponding to an e-mail address) so that it looks customized. Ben, how you approach this will depend on how you have the data stored. Let's assume two things: you have the e-mail addresses and names in a database and know how to retrieve and store them into the variables $email and $name. That said, create the body of your text: $body = Dear $name, Here are recent developments on our web site... etc. ; Then use the mail function (http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.mail.php) to send the letter to the person like this: mail($email, Site update, $body, From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]); The next thing you'll probably start wondering is how to send fancy e-mail instead of those generic text based ones... PHPBuilder has an article you'll want to check out located here: http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/kartic2807.php3. I do not advice anybody to send personalized bulk mail, even less in PHP. It will take a lot of time to just queue the message in the local relay mail server and since each message has to be stored separately in the mail server queue disk consuming a lot of space. What I recommend is to just queue a single message with all recepients in Bcc:. This is better done with qmail using qmail-inject because you do not have to actually add Bcc: headers to the message, just the recipients addresses, one per line, and then headers and the body of the message. You may want to try this class for composing and sending MIME messages
Re: [PHP] Re: Sending an e-mail to 1,000 people
What would be the easiest and more effective way to check for bouncing email addresses? Thank you. --- Manuel Lemos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, B Richards wrote: How many emails per hour can people generate on a typical dedicated server? on qmail? on smtp? It depends on many things. Anyway, queueing is one thing and delivering is another. Queuing and delivering from the same machine is usually slow because it requires the server to resolve the domain and connecting with each recipient MX to deliver the messages. If the connection is slow, everything is stalled. For very large recipient lists like large mailing lists sites like eGroups, the recommended setup is at least one server for queuing the messages in one or many others. The queuing is best achieved using QMQP. SMTP is too slow because it degrades queuing speed exponentially with the number of recipients. Anyway in a network with one server for queueing (where ezmlm was) and 8 servers for delivery, it could queue 10.000 messages per minute using SMTP. With QMQP it would be much faster queueing because it would not expand VERP addresses and would only queue one message in the delivery servers. The actual delivery it depends a lot on the Internet link you have and the connectivity with the remote servers. Bouncing and hard to connect servers make it very slow. That is why it is important to prune the bouncing addresses from your mailing lists. ezmlm process is reasonably good handling bounces but I would not recommend starting a mailing list with a large number of subscribers without first pruning it because the last retry message that is sent to all bouncing addresses after 11 days (1.000.000 seconds) may choke your queuing server because it send out individual messages and if there are many bouncing addresses that can make your machine and network choke with very high traffic. Trust me, I had to put up with the embarrassment of choking a newsletter server with 1/3 of near 300.000 subscribers of MTV Brasil newsletter! Can you imagine almost 100.000 subscribers being mailed and bouncing at the same time. (Gulp!) Living and learning. :-) Regards, Manuel Lemos - Original Message - From: Manuel Lemos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ed Lazor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Sending an e-mail to 1,000 people Hello, Ed Lazor wrote: At 06:25 PM 2/2/2002 -0500, Chris Cocuzzo wrote: Godamnit. Shut-up about this already for godsakes and answer the original question!! LOL hehe good point Chris. Aleluia, somebody sensible! :-) Ben Clumeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message I would like to send an e-mail (the same e-mail) to 1,000 different people. I want each persons name to be in the To: field. Is there a way to customize it to where it can say Dear (having a different persons name corresponding to an e-mail address) so that it looks customized. Ben, how you approach this will depend on how you have the data stored. Let's assume two things: you have the e-mail addresses and names in a database and know how to retrieve and store them into the variables $email and $name. That said, create the body of your text: $body = Dear $name, Here are recent developments on our web site... etc. ; Then use the mail function (http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.mail.php) to send the letter to the person like this: mail($email, Site update, $body, From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]); The next thing you'll probably start wondering is how to send fancy e-mail instead of those generic text based ones... PHPBuilder has an article you'll want to check out located here: http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/kartic2807.php3. I do not advice anybody to send personalized bulk mail, even less in PHP. It will take a lot of time to just queue the message in the local relay mail server and since each message has to be stored separately in the mail server queue disk consuming a lot of space. What I recommend is to just queue a single message with all recepients in Bcc:. This is better done with qmail using qmail-inject because you do not have to actually add Bcc: headers to the message, just the recipients addresses, one per line, and then headers and the body of the message. You may want to try this class for composing and sending MIME messages. It has subclasses for queing with PHP mail function, SMTP server, sendmail and qmail. http://phpclasses.upperdesign.com/browse.html/package/9 If you can use it, I recommend to use qmail because it is much faster than the other alternatives to queue message to be sent to many recipients and also
Re: [PHP] Re: Sending an e-mail to 1,000 people
On Saturday, February 2, 2002, at 06:05 PM, Sterling Hughes wrote: I think you are confused... Unsolicited e-mail is in fact the definition of spam! Semantics war! You're both right... although originally, it meant repetitive blasts of identical material (to newsgroups). I'm pretty sure most people use it these days to describe any unsolicted email. Let's see what the Jargon File says (one of the most venerable sources for answers to disputes like this)... spam vt.,vi.,n. [from Monty Python's Flying Circus] 1. To crash a program by overrunning a fixed-size buffer with excessively large input data. See also buffer overflow, overrun screw, smash the stack. 2. To cause a newsgroup to be flooded with irrelevant or inappropriate messages. You can spam a newsgroup with as little as one well- (or ill-) planned message (e.g. asking What do you think of abortion? on soc.women). This is often done with cross-posting (e.g. any message which is cross-posted to alt.rush-limbaugh and alt.politics.homosexuality will almost inevitably spam both groups). This overlaps with troll behavior; the latter more specific term has become more common. 3. To send many identical or nearly-identical messages separately to a large number of Usenet newsgroups. This is more specifically called `ECP', Excessive Cross-Posting. This is one sure way to infuriate nearly everyone on the Net. See also velveeta and jello. 4. To bombard a newsgroup with multiple copies of a message. This is more specifically called `EMP', Excessive Multi-Posting. 5. To mass-mail unrequested identical or nearly-identical email messages, particularly those containing advertising. Especially used when the mail addresses have been culled from network traffic or databases without the consent of the recipients. Synonyms include UCE, UBE. 6. Any large, annoying, quantity of output. For instance, someone on IRC who walks away from their screen and comes back to find 200 lines of text might say Oh no, spam. The later definitions have become much more prevalent as the Internet has opened up to non-techies, and to most people senses 3 4 and 5 are now primary. All three behaviors are considered abuse of the net, and are almost universally grounds for termination of the originator's email account or network connection. In these senses the term `spam' has gone mainstream, though without its original sense or folkloric freight - there is apparently a widespread myth among lusers that spamming is what happens when you dump cans of Spam into a revolving fan. Hormel, the makers of Spam, have published a surprisingly enlightened position statement on the Internet usage. Erik Price Web Developer Temp Media Lab, H.H. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Sending an e-mail to 1,000 people
Hello, B Richards wrote: How many emails per hour can people generate on a typical dedicated server? on qmail? on smtp? It depends on many things. Anyway, queueing is one thing and delivering is another. Queuing and delivering from the same machine is usually slow because it requires the server to resolve the domain and connecting with each recipient MX to deliver the messages. If the connection is slow, everything is stalled. For very large recipient lists like large mailing lists sites like eGroups, the recommended setup is at least one server for queuing the messages in one or many others. The queuing is best achieved using QMQP. SMTP is too slow because it degrades queuing speed exponentially with the number of recipients. Anyway in a network with one server for queueing (where ezmlm was) and 8 servers for delivery, it could queue 10.000 messages per minute using SMTP. With QMQP it would be much faster queueing because it would not expand VERP addresses and would only queue one message in the delivery servers. The actual delivery it depends a lot on the Internet link you have and the connectivity with the remote servers. Bouncing and hard to connect servers make it very slow. That is why it is important to prune the bouncing addresses from your mailing lists. ezmlm process is reasonably good handling bounces but I would not recommend starting a mailing list with a large number of subscribers without first pruning it because the last retry message that is sent to all bouncing addresses after 11 days (1.000.000 seconds) may choke your queuing server because it send out individual messages and if there are many bouncing addresses that can make your machine and network choke with very high traffic. Trust me, I had to put up with the embarrassment of choking a newsletter server with 1/3 of near 300.000 subscribers of MTV Brasil newsletter! Can you imagine almost 100.000 subscribers being mailed and bouncing at the same time. (Gulp!) Living and learning. :-) Regards, Manuel Lemos - Original Message - From: Manuel Lemos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ed Lazor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Sending an e-mail to 1,000 people Hello, Ed Lazor wrote: At 06:25 PM 2/2/2002 -0500, Chris Cocuzzo wrote: Godamnit. Shut-up about this already for godsakes and answer the original question!! LOL hehe good point Chris. Aleluia, somebody sensible! :-) Ben Clumeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message I would like to send an e-mail (the same e-mail) to 1,000 different people. I want each persons name to be in the To: field. Is there a way to customize it to where it can say Dear (having a different persons name corresponding to an e-mail address) so that it looks customized. Ben, how you approach this will depend on how you have the data stored. Let's assume two things: you have the e-mail addresses and names in a database and know how to retrieve and store them into the variables $email and $name. That said, create the body of your text: $body = Dear $name, Here are recent developments on our web site... etc. ; Then use the mail function (http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.mail.php) to send the letter to the person like this: mail($email, Site update, $body, From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]); The next thing you'll probably start wondering is how to send fancy e-mail instead of those generic text based ones... PHPBuilder has an article you'll want to check out located here: http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/kartic2807.php3. I do not advice anybody to send personalized bulk mail, even less in PHP. It will take a lot of time to just queue the message in the local relay mail server and since each message has to be stored separately in the mail server queue disk consuming a lot of space. What I recommend is to just queue a single message with all recepients in Bcc:. This is better done with qmail using qmail-inject because you do not have to actually add Bcc: headers to the message, just the recipients addresses, one per line, and then headers and the body of the message. You may want to try this class for composing and sending MIME messages. It has subclasses for queing with PHP mail function, SMTP server, sendmail and qmail. http://phpclasses.upperdesign.com/browse.html/package/9 If you can use it, I recommend to use qmail because it is much faster than the other alternatives to queue message to be sent to many recipients and also provides very good means to figure exactly which addresses are bouncing your messages so you can process them eventually unsubscribing the users in question, thanks to its VERP capability (Variable Envelope Return Path). http://www.qmail.org/ If you want to send messages regularly to the same group of users
Re: [PHP] Re: Sending an e-mail to 1,000 people
Hello, B Richards wrote: How many emails per hour can people generate on a typical dedicated server? on qmail? on smtp? It depends on many things. Anyway, queueing is one thing and delivering is another. Queuing and delivering from the same machine is usually slow because it requires the server to resolve the domain and connecting with each recipient MX to deliver the messages. If the connection is slow, everything is stalled. For very large recipient lists like large mailing lists sites like eGroups, the recommended setup is at least one server for queuing the messages in one or many others. The queuing is best achieved using QMQP. SMTP is too slow because it degrades queuing speed exponentially with the number of recipients. Anyway in a network with one server for queueing (where ezmlm was) and 8 servers for delivery, it could queue 10.000 messages per minute using SMTP. With QMQP it would be much faster queueing because it would not expand VERP addresses and would only queue one message in the delivery servers. The actual delivery it depends a lot on the Internet link you have and the connectivity with the remote servers. Bouncing and hard to connect servers make it very slow. That is why it is important to prune the bouncing addresses from your mailing lists. ezmlm process is reasonably good handling bounces but I would not recommend starting a mailing list with a large number of subscribers without first pruning it because the last retry message that is sent to all bouncing addresses after 11 days (1.000.000 seconds) may choke your queuing server because it send out individual messages and if there are many bouncing addresses that can make your machine and network choke with very high traffic. Trust me, I had to put up with the embarrassment of choking a newsletter server with 1/3 of near 300.000 subscribers of MTV Brasil newsletter! Can you imagine almost 100.000 subscribers being mailed and bouncing at the same time. (Gulp!) Living and learning. :-) Regards, Manuel Lemos - Original Message - From: Manuel Lemos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ed Lazor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Sending an e-mail to 1,000 people Hello, Ed Lazor wrote: At 06:25 PM 2/2/2002 -0500, Chris Cocuzzo wrote: Godamnit. Shut-up about this already for godsakes and answer the original question!! LOL hehe good point Chris. Aleluia, somebody sensible! :-) Ben Clumeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message I would like to send an e-mail (the same e-mail) to 1,000 different people. I want each persons name to be in the To: field. Is there a way to customize it to where it can say Dear (having a different persons name corresponding to an e-mail address) so that it looks customized. Ben, how you approach this will depend on how you have the data stored. Let's assume two things: you have the e-mail addresses and names in a database and know how to retrieve and store them into the variables $email and $name. That said, create the body of your text: $body = Dear $name, Here are recent developments on our web site... etc. ; Then use the mail function (http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.mail.php) to send the letter to the person like this: mail($email, Site update, $body, From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]); The next thing you'll probably start wondering is how to send fancy e-mail instead of those generic text based ones... PHPBuilder has an article you'll want to check out located here: http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/kartic2807.php3. I do not advice anybody to send personalized bulk mail, even less in PHP. It will take a lot of time to just queue the message in the local relay mail server and since each message has to be stored separately in the mail server queue disk consuming a lot of space. What I recommend is to just queue a single message with all recepients in Bcc:. This is better done with qmail using qmail-inject because you do not have to actually add Bcc: headers to the message, just the recipients addresses, one per line, and then headers and the body of the message. You may want to try this class for composing and sending MIME messages. It has subclasses for queing with PHP mail function, SMTP server, sendmail and qmail. http://phpclasses.upperdesign.com/browse.html/package/9 If you can use it, I recommend to use qmail because it is much faster than the other alternatives to queue message to be sent to many recipients and also provides very good means to figure exactly which addresses are bouncing your messages so you can process them eventually unsubscribing the users in question, thanks to its VERP capability (Variable Envelope Return Path). http://www.qmail.org/ If you want to send messages regularly to the same group of users
Re: [PHP] Re: Sending an e-mail to 1,000 people
Hmmm. I've also heard it described as a newsletter. Or a mailing list. A good program that does this is http://www.kingmailer.com/ Thirty bucks, with a built-in SMPT server. Lars Wilhelmsen wrote: Ben Clumeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I would like to send an e-mail (the same e-mail) to 1,000 different people. I want each persons name to be in the To: field. Is there a way to customize it to where it can say Dear (having a different persons name corresponding to an e-mail address) so that it looks customized. Thanks, Ben What you are describing is called SPAMMING, something we really, really dislike. Answer to your question: yes, it's pretty simple, but PHP is generally a language for web applications, I think Perl is more suited for your needs. And no, I do not want to teach anyone how to send 1,000 email to 1,000 different persons. Regards, Lars WIlhelmsen -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Re: Sending an e-mail to 1,000 people
On Sat, 2002-02-02 at 13:46, Lars Wilhelmsen wrote: Ben Clumeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I would like to send an e-mail (the same e-mail) to 1,000 different people. I want each persons name to be in the To: field. Is there a way to customize it to where it can say Dear (having a different persons name corresponding to an e-mail address) so that it looks customized. Thanks, Ben What you are describing is called SPAMMING, something we really, really dislike. There are several very good reasons to need to do this. Answer to your question: yes, it's pretty simple, but PHP is generally a language for web applications, I think Perl is more suited for your needs. PHP would suffice here just fine--and we are trying to dispel the myth that PHP is a web-only language. However, in a case like this, I'd suggest checking out a proper mailing list manager such as majordomo or ezmlm. Torben And no, I do not want to teach anyone how to send 1,000 email to 1,000 different persons. Regards, Lars WIlhelmsen -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Torben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.thebuttlesschaps.com http://www.hybrid17.com http://www.inflatableeye.com +1.604.709.0506 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PHP] Re: Sending an e-mail to 1,000 people
Hello, Lars Wilhelmsen wrote: Ben Clumeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I would like to send an e-mail (the same e-mail) to 1,000 different people. I want each persons name to be in the To: field. Is there a way to customize it to where it can say Dear (having a different persons name corresponding to an e-mail address) so that it looks customized. Thanks, Ben What you are describing is called SPAMMING, something we really, really dislike. You are confused. Spamming is sending the same message to the same person more than once. What I think you mean is unsolicited e-mail. The original poster did not mention whether the people he wants to mail want to receive his messages, so you can't assume that is necessarily unsolicited. Answer to your question: yes, it's pretty simple, but PHP is generally a language for web applications, I think Perl is more suited for your needs. There is absolutely nothing in sending messages to thousands of users in Perl that can't be done in PHP. I am the developer of the PHP classes site. The site sends out regularly notifications about new classes made available to about 30.000 users. Each notification on takes 4 seconds to queue. The local mail server takes care of delivery. And no, I do not want to teach anyone how to send 1,000 email to 1,000 different persons. So why bother posting?!? Regards, Manuel Lemos -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Re: Sending an e-mail to 1,000 people
I would like to send an e-mail (the same e-mail) to 1,000 different people. I want each persons name to be in the To: field. Is there a way to customize it to where it can say Dear (having a different persons name corresponding to an e-mail address) so that it looks customized. Thanks, Ben What you are describing is called SPAMMING, something we really, really dislike. There are several very good reasons to need to do this. One example is sending an update to all of the members who have created accounts on your site. This wouldn't be considered spamming, because they have requested that you help keep them informed. Answer to your question: yes, it's pretty simple, but PHP is generally a language for web applications, I think Perl is more suited for your needs. PHP would suffice here just fine--and we are trying to dispel the myth that PHP is a web-only language. However, in a case like this, I'd suggest checking out a proper mailing list manager such as majordomo or ezmlm. Another good one is mailman. -Ed -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Re: Sending an e-mail to 1,000 people
On Sat, 2002-02-02 at 17:42, Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, Lars Wilhelmsen wrote: Ben Clumeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I would like to send an e-mail (the same e-mail) to 1,000 different people. I want each persons name to be in the To: field. Is there a way to customize it to where it can say Dear (having a different persons name corresponding to an e-mail address) so that it looks customized. Thanks, Ben What you are describing is called SPAMMING, something we really, really dislike. You are confused. Spamming is sending the same message to the same person more than once. What I think you mean is unsolicited e-mail. The original poster did not mention whether the people he wants to mail want to receive his messages, so you can't assume that is necessarily unsolicited. I think you are confused... Unsolicited e-mail is in fact the definition of spam! Secondly, reasonable assumptions can often be made, for example, when I see a message from you, its almost guaranteed that you'll be plugging PHPClasses, or Metabase, or both. Assumptions are why killfiles were invented. From the users original post, the likely assumption is that he is using it to send out some sort of spam/product announcement. -Sterling -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] Re: Sending an e-mail to 1,000 people
Godamnit. Shut-up about this already for godsakes and answer the original question!! -Original Message- From: Sterling Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 6:05 PM To: Manuel Lemos Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Sending an e-mail to 1,000 people On Sat, 2002-02-02 at 17:42, Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, Lars Wilhelmsen wrote: Ben Clumeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I would like to send an e-mail (the same e-mail) to 1,000 different people. I want each persons name to be in the To: field. Is there a way to customize it to where it can say Dear (having a different persons name corresponding to an e-mail address) so that it looks customized. Thanks, Ben What you are describing is called SPAMMING, something we really, really dislike. You are confused. Spamming is sending the same message to the same person more than once. What I think you mean is unsolicited e-mail. The original poster did not mention whether the people he wants to mail want to receive his messages, so you can't assume that is necessarily unsolicited. I think you are confused... Unsolicited e-mail is in fact the definition of spam! Secondly, reasonable assumptions can often be made, for example, when I see a message from you, its almost guaranteed that you'll be plugging PHPClasses, or Metabase, or both. Assumptions are why killfiles were invented. From the users original post, the likely assumption is that he is using it to send out some sort of spam/product announcement. -Sterling -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] Re: Sending an e-mail to 1,000 people
At 06:25 PM 2/2/2002 -0500, Chris Cocuzzo wrote: Godamnit. Shut-up about this already for godsakes and answer the original question!! LOL hehe good point Chris. Ben Clumeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message I would like to send an e-mail (the same e-mail) to 1,000 different people. I want each persons name to be in the To: field. Is there a way to customize it to where it can say Dear (having a different persons name corresponding to an e-mail address) so that it looks customized. Ben, how you approach this will depend on how you have the data stored. Let's assume two things: you have the e-mail addresses and names in a database and know how to retrieve and store them into the variables $email and $name. That said, create the body of your text: $body = Dear $name, Here are recent developments on our web site... etc. ; Then use the mail function (http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.mail.php) to send the letter to the person like this: mail($email, Site update, $body, From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]); The next thing you'll probably start wondering is how to send fancy e-mail instead of those generic text based ones... PHPBuilder has an article you'll want to check out located here: http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/kartic2807.php3. -Ed -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Re: Sending an e-mail to 1,000 people
Hello, Sterling Hughes wrote: On Sat, 2002-02-02 at 17:42, Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, Lars Wilhelmsen wrote: Ben Clumeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I would like to send an e-mail (the same e-mail) to 1,000 different people. I want each persons name to be in the To: field. Is there a way to customize it to where it can say Dear (having a different persons name corresponding to an e-mail address) so that it looks customized. Thanks, Ben What you are describing is called SPAMMING, something we really, really dislike. You are confused. Spamming is sending the same message to the same person more than once. What I think you mean is unsolicited e-mail. The original poster did not mention whether the people he wants to mail want to receive his messages, so you can't assume that is necessarily unsolicited. I think you are confused... Unsolicited e-mail is in fact the definition of spam! No, with time, people started confusing definitions. You may not be aware of it because you were too young and by that time you probably even did not knew about what was the Internet. AFAIK, spam was, in the early days when there was not even the Web, what was called to cross-posting the same message to multiple newsgroups. Remeber Monty Python sketch, they were complaining of more of the same spam. Since often spam is also unsolicited, people started confusing concepts. In mailing lists and newsgroups like this, messages are only unsolicited when they become completely off-topic, which is not the case. You ought to study a little history first before you decide to make any of my message yet another pointless personal attack. Secondly, reasonable assumptions can often be made, for example, when I see a message from you, its almost guaranteed that you'll be plugging PHPClasses, or Metabase, or both. Assumptions are why killfiles were invented. Sterling, you seem to be sick if you are watching every message I post to jumping in to attack me or my work. I was not even promoting the PHP Classes site. If I were I would post its URL, which I didn't. I was sharing my knowledge on sending messages to a large number of recipients. It happens that my knowledge on bulk mailing is based on my experience sending notifications to the site subscribers. Since you are so obcessed to attack me probably because of possible stupid envy, you could only see my message as another plug to promote the site. Sterling, get a grip, you would do much better in get rid of those unjustifiable sick feelings that you hold against somebody like myself that is still bothering to contribute to the PHP community providing a PHP component sharing site that is accessed by many tens of thousands of PHP users. Another thing, is that you are so ungrateful because whatever I do to let people know about the PHP Classes site is to bring people to the site not only to share and benefit for each other PHP components, but also to provide a substantial audience not only to the components that the users share, but also to the reviews of PHP books like your own: PHP Developers Cookbook. http://phpclasses.upperdesign.com/products.html/id/0672319241 I even tried to make a nice review, as usually I do with all books I review because I know that it takes a lot of time to write a good book and in the time you spent writing it you would probably earn more money working on some paid PHP project than whatever you may ever earn from selling the book. I know that it isn't much, but 710 users went to Amazon eventually to buy the your book because of this review. It is an humble contribution to compensate for your effort and of other PHP book writers. Anyway, I am considering discontinuing this section of the PHP Classes site because it is not providing enough income to cover for the site expenses. Now, after I read your personal attacks I wonder why am I waiting to discontinue it when all I get for attempting to promote the site to bring in more audience also for the book reviews, is just personal attacks from authors like yourself? Of course this hurts me bad, but I am kind of used to the hostility that I get of envious unsensible PHP developers like yourself. Right, now, if you do not have anything nicer to say to me, please don't even bother to mail me. Regards, Manuel Lemos -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Re: Sending an e-mail to 1,000 people
I don't know the nature of your feud, but Manuel is right on here, as far as I'm concerned. Sterling's comments were unwarranted, unjust, and stupid. Rise above it man. Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, Sterling Hughes wrote: On Sat, 2002-02-02 at 17:42, Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, Lars Wilhelmsen wrote: Ben Clumeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I would like to send an e-mail (the same e-mail) to 1,000 different people. I want each persons name to be in the To: field. Is there a way to customize it to where it can say Dear (having a different persons name corresponding to an e-mail address) so that it looks customized. Thanks, Ben What you are describing is called SPAMMING, something we really, really dislike. You are confused. Spamming is sending the same message to the same person more than once. What I think you mean is unsolicited e-mail. The original poster did not mention whether the people he wants to mail want to receive his messages, so you can't assume that is necessarily unsolicited. I think you are confused... Unsolicited e-mail is in fact the definition of spam! No, with time, people started confusing definitions. You may not be aware of it because you were too young and by that time you probably even did not knew about what was the Internet. AFAIK, spam was, in the early days when there was not even the Web, what was called to cross-posting the same message to multiple newsgroups. Remeber Monty Python sketch, they were complaining of more of the same spam. Since often spam is also unsolicited, people started confusing concepts. In mailing lists and newsgroups like this, messages are only unsolicited when they become completely off-topic, which is not the case. You ought to study a little history first before you decide to make any of my message yet another pointless personal attack. Secondly, reasonable assumptions can often be made, for example, when I see a message from you, its almost guaranteed that you'll be plugging PHPClasses, or Metabase, or both. Assumptions are why killfiles were invented. Sterling, you seem to be sick if you are watching every message I post to jumping in to attack me or my work. I was not even promoting the PHP Classes site. If I were I would post its URL, which I didn't. I was sharing my knowledge on sending messages to a large number of recipients. It happens that my knowledge on bulk mailing is based on my experience sending notifications to the site subscribers. Since you are so obcessed to attack me probably because of possible stupid envy, you could only see my message as another plug to promote the site. Sterling, get a grip, you would do much better in get rid of those unjustifiable sick feelings that you hold against somebody like myself that is still bothering to contribute to the PHP community providing a PHP component sharing site that is accessed by many tens of thousands of PHP users. Another thing, is that you are so ungrateful because whatever I do to let people know about the PHP Classes site is to bring people to the site not only to share and benefit for each other PHP components, but also to provide a substantial audience not only to the components that the users share, but also to the reviews of PHP books like your own: PHP Developers Cookbook. http://phpclasses.upperdesign.com/products.html/id/0672319241 I even tried to make a nice review, as usually I do with all books I review because I know that it takes a lot of time to write a good book and in the time you spent writing it you would probably earn more money working on some paid PHP project than whatever you may ever earn from selling the book. I know that it isn't much, but 710 users went to Amazon eventually to buy the your book because of this review. It is an humble contribution to compensate for your effort and of other PHP book writers. Anyway, I am considering discontinuing this section of the PHP Classes site because it is not providing enough income to cover for the site expenses. Now, after I read your personal attacks I wonder why am I waiting to discontinue it when all I get for attempting to promote the site to bring in more audience also for the book reviews, is just personal attacks from authors like yourself? Of course this hurts me bad, but I am kind of used to the hostility that I get of envious unsensible PHP developers like yourself. Right, now, if you do not have anything nicer to say to me, please don't even bother to mail me. Regards, Manuel Lemos -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To
Re: [PHP] Re: Sending an e-mail to 1,000 people
Hello, Ed Lazor wrote: At 06:25 PM 2/2/2002 -0500, Chris Cocuzzo wrote: Godamnit. Shut-up about this already for godsakes and answer the original question!! LOL hehe good point Chris. Aleluia, somebody sensible! :-) Ben Clumeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message I would like to send an e-mail (the same e-mail) to 1,000 different people. I want each persons name to be in the To: field. Is there a way to customize it to where it can say Dear (having a different persons name corresponding to an e-mail address) so that it looks customized. Ben, how you approach this will depend on how you have the data stored. Let's assume two things: you have the e-mail addresses and names in a database and know how to retrieve and store them into the variables $email and $name. That said, create the body of your text: $body = Dear $name, Here are recent developments on our web site... etc. ; Then use the mail function (http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.mail.php) to send the letter to the person like this: mail($email, Site update, $body, From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]); The next thing you'll probably start wondering is how to send fancy e-mail instead of those generic text based ones... PHPBuilder has an article you'll want to check out located here: http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/kartic2807.php3. I do not advice anybody to send personalized bulk mail, even less in PHP. It will take a lot of time to just queue the message in the local relay mail server and since each message has to be stored separately in the mail server queue disk consuming a lot of space. What I recommend is to just queue a single message with all recepients in Bcc:. This is better done with qmail using qmail-inject because you do not have to actually add Bcc: headers to the message, just the recipients addresses, one per line, and then headers and the body of the message. You may want to try this class for composing and sending MIME messages. It has subclasses for queing with PHP mail function, SMTP server, sendmail and qmail. http://phpclasses.upperdesign.com/browse.html/package/9 If you can use it, I recommend to use qmail because it is much faster than the other alternatives to queue message to be sent to many recipients and also provides very good means to figure exactly which addresses are bouncing your messages so you can process them eventually unsubscribing the users in question, thanks to its VERP capability (Variable Envelope Return Path). http://www.qmail.org/ If you want to send messages regularly to the same group of users, I recommend that you use ezmlm-idx because it provides very efficient and secure way to handle subscriptions and messages bouncings. http://www.ezmlm.org/ I don't recommend the patches of ezmlm that let it be interfaced with user lists maintained in MySQL or PostgreSQL. I doubt that those databases are faster to query than DJB's cdb user list databases. Also, I don't think that most people want the user to be deleted from a database if it's address is bouncing for too long (11 days). Anyway, you may want to look into this PHP web interface to create and setup options of ezmlm mailing lists. It also comes with a SOAP server interface that you can use to provide Web services to subscribe, unsubscriber, verify and count users in ezmlm mailing lists. http://phpclasses.upperdesign.com/browse.html/package/177 Regards, Manuel Lemos -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Sending an e-mail to 1,000 people
At 11:42 PM 2/2/2002 -0200, Manuel Lemos wrote: I think you are confused... Unsolicited e-mail is in fact the definition of spam! No, with time, people started confusing definitions. You may not be aware of it because you were too young and by that time you probably even did not knew about what was the Internet. AFAIK, spam was, in the early days when there was not even the Web, what was called to cross-posting the same message to multiple newsgroups. Remeber Monty Python sketch, they were complaining of more of the same spam. Yep. Here's an excerpt from the Email Abuse FAQ: 'First, a short lesson on the term SPAM. Spam describes a particular kind of Usenet posting (and canned spiced ham), but is now often used to describe many kinds of inappropriate activities, including some email-related events. It is technically incorrect to use spam to describe email abuse, although attempting to correct the practice would amount to tilting at windmills.' http://members.aol.com/emailfaq/emailfaq.html -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Sending an e-mail to 1,000 people
How many emails per hour can people generate on a typical dedicated server? on qmail? on smtp? - Original Message - From: Manuel Lemos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ed Lazor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Sending an e-mail to 1,000 people Hello, Ed Lazor wrote: At 06:25 PM 2/2/2002 -0500, Chris Cocuzzo wrote: Godamnit. Shut-up about this already for godsakes and answer the original question!! LOL hehe good point Chris. Aleluia, somebody sensible! :-) Ben Clumeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message I would like to send an e-mail (the same e-mail) to 1,000 different people. I want each persons name to be in the To: field. Is there a way to customize it to where it can say Dear (having a different persons name corresponding to an e-mail address) so that it looks customized. Ben, how you approach this will depend on how you have the data stored. Let's assume two things: you have the e-mail addresses and names in a database and know how to retrieve and store them into the variables $email and $name. That said, create the body of your text: $body = Dear $name, Here are recent developments on our web site... etc. ; Then use the mail function (http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.mail.php) to send the letter to the person like this: mail($email, Site update, $body, From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]); The next thing you'll probably start wondering is how to send fancy e-mail instead of those generic text based ones... PHPBuilder has an article you'll want to check out located here: http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/kartic2807.php3. I do not advice anybody to send personalized bulk mail, even less in PHP. It will take a lot of time to just queue the message in the local relay mail server and since each message has to be stored separately in the mail server queue disk consuming a lot of space. What I recommend is to just queue a single message with all recepients in Bcc:. This is better done with qmail using qmail-inject because you do not have to actually add Bcc: headers to the message, just the recipients addresses, one per line, and then headers and the body of the message. You may want to try this class for composing and sending MIME messages. It has subclasses for queing with PHP mail function, SMTP server, sendmail and qmail. http://phpclasses.upperdesign.com/browse.html/package/9 If you can use it, I recommend to use qmail because it is much faster than the other alternatives to queue message to be sent to many recipients and also provides very good means to figure exactly which addresses are bouncing your messages so you can process them eventually unsubscribing the users in question, thanks to its VERP capability (Variable Envelope Return Path). http://www.qmail.org/ If you want to send messages regularly to the same group of users, I recommend that you use ezmlm-idx because it provides very efficient and secure way to handle subscriptions and messages bouncings. http://www.ezmlm.org/ I don't recommend the patches of ezmlm that let it be interfaced with user lists maintained in MySQL or PostgreSQL. I doubt that those databases are faster to query than DJB's cdb user list databases. Also, I don't think that most people want the user to be deleted from a database if it's address is bouncing for too long (11 days). Anyway, you may want to look into this PHP web interface to create and setup options of ezmlm mailing lists. It also comes with a SOAP server interface that you can use to provide Web services to subscribe, unsubscriber, verify and count users in ezmlm mailing lists. http://phpclasses.upperdesign.com/browse.html/package/177 Regards, Manuel Lemos -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
