[pinhole-discussion] new home needed for Pinhole Discussion List
Dear friends, Over the next few weeks I will be scaling back the Pinhole Visions web site. As part of the change, I have decided to find a new home for this discussion list. James Kellar started the original pinhole discussion list about 7 years ago. The list moved to Pinhole Visions a year or so after that. It has been a pleasure and a privilege to have provided the space for the list since then, and to have helped James on the technical side of maintaining the list. Thanks also to Guy Glorieux for helping as a moderator the past couple of years. I am looking for someone to take over responsibility for moving the list to a new server and serving as the new list owner. James and Guy and I have all three decided that it is time for some "new blood" to manage the list. So, none of us will continue on as moderators. Ideally, I would like to see the list move to another non-commercial list server. This might be a "listserv" on a university server, or someone else with web service that includes an ad-free list server. This list runs under "Mailman" software. If anyone has knowledge of Mailman and is interested in hosting the list, that would probably be the easiest transition. I will leave it to the list members to decide where to move to, and will work with the new list owner to make the transition. I will keep a copy of the archive, and will work with someone to move that also, if desired. best wishes to everyone, and "keep on pinholin'" Gregg Kemp
[pinhole-discussion] Pinhole Visions/Pinhole Day Web Sites In PDN Journal
I just added this story to the Pinhole Visions web site: [Jan 13, 2004] The January 2004 issue of the PDN (Photo District News) includes a small write-up by Nancy Scott about the Pinhole Visions web site and the Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day. Featured in the article are pinhole artist Ed Levinson, web site founder Gregg Kemp, and pinhole discussion list founder James Kellar. The article is on page 60, and mis-titled "The Mirrored City". The discussion list gets into the PDN! - Gregg
[pinhole-discussion] Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
I wish a happy and joyful Christmas and new year to everyone on the list. best regards, - Gregg
[pinhole-discussion] Fwd: Pinhole News, December 18, 2003
There was a recent discussion on anamorphic images a few days ago and I wanted to share this anamorph movie made by Alex Gilham that I just copied up to the Pinhole Visions site earlier this week. Sorry for the double posting to those of you who are also on the "Pinhole News" mailing list. - Gregg Begin forwarded message: Resent-From: news-list@p at ??? From: Pinhole Visions Date: Thu Dec 18, 2003 10:15:51 AM US/Eastern To: Pinhole News Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Pinhole News, December 18, 2003 from the Pinhole Diary... New Sighting: Alex Gilham - Anamorph (pinhole movie) [2003-12-15] A movie created from the images of a anamorphic pinhole camera made from a toilet paper tube. The film was created by Alex Gilham, featuring a soundtrack performed on the guitar by Benjamin Bunch, and edited by Gregg Kemp Read full story at http://www.???/diary/?option=story&id=304 (reported by: Peter Bengsten) = New Resource Listing: Mona Lisa Pinhole/Zone Plate Camera = [2003-12-16] The Pinhole Resource has introduced a new camera, designed by Zephyr Renner and manufactured at Pinhole Resource. This camera features: * folding 4x5 made of oak, basswood and Finnish birch plywood. * 4 pinholes * 3 zone plates * automatic catch/stop at the above mentioned focal lengths * all pinholes and zone plates on a sliding bar * cable release operated shutter * bellows * standard tripod mount Find out more at: http://www.???/resources/index.php?category=Cameras (reported by: Eric Renner) * * * * * * For more news items on pinhole photography, visit the Pinhole Diary at: http://www.???/diary/ If you have a pinhole story of interest, please add it to the Pinhole Diary at: http://www.???/diary/?option=add Your pin pal, Gregg Kemp = Pinhole News subscribers: 593 (12-Dec-2003) Pinhole Diary archive: http://www.p at ???/diary/ To unsubscribe, send an email to news-list-request@p at ??? with the subject "unsubscribe". =
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[pinhole-discussion] change of email address
Hi everyone, I apologize in advance for posting this non-pinhole information to the list, but many of you contact me through the Pinhole Visions site at various times. I will soon be changing how my email is processed at p at ??? in order to reduce the amount of spam I now receive (hundreds of emails per day!). Please note that the only email address that will get through to me personally is: gregg@p at ??? This change doesn't affect email sent to "news" or "directory" and similar addresses at p at ???, ???, or pinholeday.org. And of course this list will continue to work the same way it does now. This only affects email sent to gregg.kemp or gkemp or webmaster or any other alias I may have used in my past at p at ??? or ???. Hope everyone is doing well and having a great weekend! - Gregg = Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? The Art of Pinhole Photography
Re: [pinhole-discussion] smaller needle diameter
On Friday, June 20, 2003, at 10:12 AM, John Fisher wrote: here can you buy these neddles? thank you I got several from a Chiropractor who does acupuncture. He found it interesting that I wanted them to make photos and just gave me a few in several sizes. The smaller sizes can be hard to work with - I got a hole started using a sewing needle - just a tiny puncture with the tip. Then I formed the rest of the hole with the acupuncture needle. I was using them on a 126 film cartridge camera, using matte board bodies with very short focal lengths - around 5 - 10 mm. They produced vignetted images on the film because of the short focal length. I've never printed any of them - very tiny images. - Gregg
Re: [pinhole-discussion] WPPD 2003
Thank you, Guillermo, for the knowledge and wisdom you contributed to pinhole day, and to what you contribute to the list throughout the year. Long live El Salvador and long live Toronto! - Gregg On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, G.Penate wrote: > Well, Taco, It is like Dirk Nowitzski, the German basketball player, star of > the > Dallas Mavericks, he may play and live in the USofA for the greater part of > the > year, but when it comes to International Events, I am pretty sure he plays for > Germany. I am no star, just your run of the mill occasional pinholer, but in > this International event, I choose to "play" as a Salvadorean. > > > Actually, it also seems that there are no 43 countries but less: I never > > heard of a country called "Europa Island" and the e-mail address of > > Mercedes is definitively in Spain, same for Guillermo, known as living > > in Canada but giving as location El Salvador. (and then with the > > subtitle "Partial view of Toronto's skyline...") > > taco > > > > ___ > Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ > >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] RE: WWPD III
On Tuesday, April 8, 2003, at 08:18 AM, photod...@cs.com wrote: Hi! Would zone plate images be acceptable for WWPD III? Thanks! Michele Michele, the answer is "yes". The answer comes from the participation rules at http://www.pinholeday.org/participate/rules.php "The photograph... (3) has to be made with a lensless photographic device: pinhole, multiple pinholes, zone plate, slit, etc, in either a home made or commercial camera." ...so zone plates are definitely OK. - Gregg
Re: [pinhole-discussion] More articles on line
Thanks for making these available, Nick. A great contribution of history and information! - Gregg On Monday, March 24, 2003, at 03:24 PM, Nick Dvoracek wrote: My interlibrary loan wizards have been busy and I've come up with more articles referred to by D'Arcy Powers in "Advanced pinhole photography" which I've put on-line at http://idea.uwosh.edu/nick/pinholephoto.htm The collection now includes Pinhole (Lensless) Photography by Reverend J.B.Thomson (1901). An issue of the The Photo-Miniature, a general photography magazine published from 1899 to 1936. "Straightforward and plainly told" explanation of pinhole photography, including how-to instructions and even a section on stereo photography. 50 pages, 5.5. x 8.5 inches (PDF - 2.6MB) Advanced Pinhole Photography by H. D'Arcy Power (1905) Another issue of The Photo-Miniature. He approaches pinhole photography not as "an optical problem or scientific hobby", but from a "practical standpoint" to "produce pictures with a serious purpose". 45 pages, 5.5. x 8 inches (PDF - 2.9MB) Stenopaic or Pin-hole Photography by Frederick Wm.Mills and Archibald C. Ponton (1895) In addition to the advancement of the Greek term stenope for pin-hole, according to D'Arcy Power it is "chiefly notable for its profusion of algebraic calculations." Reviews lots of other work on optimum pinhole size, angle of view and exposure. 28 pages, 5.5. x 8 inches (PDF - > 1MB) Photographie sans objectif. (1889) This file was sent to me by Jean-Louis Thiry of Montauban, France. It is a column from an 1889 French magazine called “La Nature” which dealt with any kind of scientific matters. My French is "tres mal" almost to the point of non-existence, but I can recognize that they're talking about some familiar issues. I think it reviews the work of Captain R.Colson who is refered to by all three of the above authors. The example photograph is a stereo pair. 4 pages (PDF - 890K) This is a little off topic, but I've been playing with Quicktime VR and had fun doing a self portrait that can be seen at http://idea.uwosh.edu/nick/Nicks_office.mov (MOV - 664K). I fess up to using lenses. Nick -- Nick Dvoracek dvora...@uwosh.edu Director of Media Services Voice: 920-424-7363 University of Wisconsin Oshkosh Fax: 920-424-7324 http://idea.uwosh.edu/media_services/home.html http://idea.uwosh.edu/nick/handouts.htm ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] WWPD image 'hit counts'?
On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 01:04 AM, Tom Miller wrote: Hi Andrew, I'm not a web programmer, but I think generally the counters are attached to what, for lack of a better term, I'll call statically defined pages. I'm pretty sure (and our webmaster, Gregg Kemp, will correct me if I'm wrong) that the WPPD gallery pages are all dynamically generated. The thumbnail pages are generated based on the query criteria entered, like country, city, artist name, group, etc. I believe the individual image pages are also dymanically generated. This might make it difficult to attach a counter to an individual image. Actually, it would be easy enough to add a counter, althought it would require an additional lookup in a database or a file. This tends to slow down the time to display the page a slight bit more (a few more tenths of a second). But, I think more important than if it can be done, is do we really want to do that. Personally, I agree with Tom that it is not in the egalitarian spirit of pinhole day. Probably more important is the egalitarian nature of the WPPD exhibit. It is a place where all are equal. I'd be concerned that any counters attached to an image might give an impression that the number of winners on the site is less than the total number of participants. I'm getting excited about April 27, too. My daughter (age 6) and I built identical tin cameras. We used refrigerator magnet stock for shutters. We decorated the shutters with colored markers so we could tell our cameras apart. Somehow she was able to fit the entire Wizard of Oz movie onto a 1.5 by 2 inch magnet! One of the handicaps of being an adult - we thought you can do that! Tom Miller -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Andrew Amundsen Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 9:44 AM To: Pinhole Forum Subject: [pinhole-discussion] WWPD image 'hit counts'? For the organizers of the next WWPD #3 gallery I have a suggestion; (if not already made) to include a 'hit count' for each pinhole image page. Is this easily done and possible? It would be fun and great for the ego to see how many visiters each image in getting. I've started to get excited for April 27th, 2003! Sincerely, Andrew Amundsen Mpls./St.Paul, MN.
[pinhole-discussion] Anyone here from Panama?
Is anyone on the list from Panama? If so, please contact me off-list. I received an email from someone doing research on Panamanian pinhole photographers who would like to contact you. - Gregg
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole Visions website
On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 07:18 AM, Brian Reynolds wrote: elrod...@cs.com wrote: Frankly, I don't know why folks want to use this e-mail list as much as they do when there is an excellent forum at Pinhole Visions. I prefer email lists to web forums because I can read my email anywhere (with or without a live Internet connection once the mail has been delivered), with just about anything (allowing me to pick the user interface I like) and I can search and archive the messages more easily. To read a web forum I have to have a live connection to the Internet, a web browser (often with all sorts of ugliness turned on), I'm stuck with the user interface of the specific web forum software, and searching and archiving are more difficult. I think a web based archive of the mailing list (e.g., MHonArc http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.html>, with examples at http://www.mhonarc.org/archive/html/>) is better than a web forum. It allows those who want to receive the list as email to do so, and those who want to use a web browser to do that too. As I like to say about a lot of things - "its not a contest". Both the mailing list and the forum have their advantages and special features. I read from and enjoy both formats most every day. Each of us can prefer or use one over the other, or to enjoy both - that's each person's choice. My own reason for promoting the new forum recently is because it is new and people may not be aware of what its features are. It is also the home of this list's "upload" gallery which is web-based the same as the previous one and allows people to post and discuss pinhole images (something that is not allowed in the discussion list). I like the discussion list and have no intention of ending it. The forum is simply another way for us to discuss and share pinhole photography. The important thing is that we continue to ask and answer questions, share ideas, and enjoy getting to know one another - whether in the discussion list or the forum. BTW: Another example of a web-based MHonArc archive is the pinhole discussion list from 1998 - 2000: http://www.???/discussion/archive.php ;-) - Gregg = Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day http://pinholeday.org Held the last Sunday of April each year
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole Visions website
Thanks for the plug on the new forum, Rosanne. I do think of the forum as an extension of the discussion list that allows new ways of communicating among ourselves. Currently there are 118 forum members. And more people than that browse the postings there each day without actually joining. A couple of aspects of the forum that I find especially useful are the ability to post images that relate to a posting, and having threads organized by their subject. So, if you're interested in discussing aspects of building cameras, you can post and read the "Making Cameras and Pinholes" forum. And an excellent example of using images with a posting is the "Ansco Pix Panorama Conversion" post by "elrodcod". This is a step by step instruction for converting this camera to pinhole. ( see http://www.???/forum/viewtopic.php?t=297 ) For most forums, joining is optional for viewing, but required in order to post. This keeps spam out of the forums. Joining requires you to enter your email address which is then emailed to you to confirm the address. Forum member's email addresses are protected (and always will) - even from other members. You can email any forum member by using a form, but the forum never displays their email address. I've tried out several different forum software applications over the last couple of years and this one is the best. If anyone is interested in "moderating" one of the existing forums, or would like to start a new forum, please let me know and I'll set you up. Forums that currently need a moderator are: General discussion Getting started Making cameras and pinholes - Gregg On Sunday, February 23, 2003, at 09:14 PM, ethereal art wrote: In case you haven't visited the Pinhole Visions website recently, and seen the new category "Buy/Sell/Trade, Actually, if you haven't visited www.??? lately, you've missed new and improved navigating and GREAT conversations. Gregg Kemp is a master at our website. At http://www.???/forum/index.php you have: General Pinhole Discussion General topics Upload Gallery A place to post your pinhole photographs for feedback or other discussion. Getting Started For beginners wanting to learn about getting started in pinhole photography, and those who can help them. Making Cameras and Pinholes Tips, experiences, and questions about making pinhole cameras. A moderator is needed for this forum Buy/sell/trade A place to list pinhole photography items you are looking for, or to sell or swap with someone. If you don't have a website, the UPLOAD GALLERY is the perfect place to show new images and receive comments and helpful criticism. And wait until you see what the Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day Team is cooking up for the gallery this year! It's so much fun, it's AWESOME!!! Then there's this pop-up screen that Well, suffice it to say, as of my sending this message, there are only 61 days, 21 hours and 45 minutes to go...Get ready. Rosanne = Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day http://pinholeday.org Held the last Sunday of April each year
Re: [pinhole-discussion] In Lieu of a Website
On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 03:39 AM, Bill Erickson wrote: Looks great. Aslo unique in being slit work. Is there some place you could reference it? The PV directory (???/directory) is a good starting place to list it. Anyone searching the directory for "slit" would find it. New listings are also featured on the front page of the PV site for a month. And the directory is already listed in the major search engines. (I hope this is what you mean by "reference it" - if not, just disregard.) :-) - Gregg - Original Message - From: "Tom Miller" To: Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:08 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] In Lieu of a Website Dear Gang, I've been working on a personal website about 2 hours a month for the last year or two...probably won't be done any time soon. To plug the gap, here is a link to a few images that I've created over the last couple of years. http://www.mnartists.org/work.do?action=list&rid=17229 Comments and reactions are appreciated. Thanks, Tom = Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day http://pinholeday.org Held the last Sunday of April each year
Re: [pinhole-discussion] In Lieu of a Website
Very interesting images, Tom. I've never tried using slits before, but I imagine its a very different mindset to get a handle on. Your photos make me want to try it. And the mnartists.org web site is nicely done also. Thanks for sharing. - Gregg On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 12:08 AM, Tom Miller wrote: Dear Gang, I've been working on a personal website about 2 hours a month for the last year or two...probably won't be done any time soon. To plug the gap, here is a link to a few images that I've created over the last couple of years. http://www.mnartists.org/work.do?action=list&rid=17229 Comments and reactions are appreciated. Thanks, Tom = Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day http://pinholeday.org Held the last Sunday of April each year
Re: [pinhole-discussion] #80 drill bit question
On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 04:34 PM, Traci Bunkers wrote: Okay, so I ran out and got a #80 drill bit to try. Are you all putting these in your drill? I'm worried I'll break it when I tighten the chuck. Plus, I can't seem to get it in straight, which would make a bigger pinhole. Or are you sticking this in an eraser like the "old fashion way"? Thanks! Traci Bunkers A "pin vise" works well for this. They aren't too expensive and will handle the small size. You have to drill by hand, but that's very pinhole. You twist the shaft while holding the top steady - it swivels. - Gregg
[pinhole-discussion] pinhole wedding photographer?
I'm posting this for someone else. If anyone on the list lives near Northeastern Connecticut and is interested in photographing a wedding, using pinhole cameras, in June, please contact me OFF LIST at gregg@p at ??? . The individual is interested in "alternative photography (pinhole, vintage cameras, etc.)" Thanks, Gregg
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Season's greetings to all!
On Monday, December 23, 2002, at 10:52 AM, Guy Glorieux wrote: Dear pinholin' friends, It's winter for some and summer for others! But we are all preparing for the festivities of this time of the year, with varying levels of frenzy depending on the amount of preparations we still have to do. In the midst of this, I just want to wish you all a very happy time of celebration when the bells start ringing Christmas. May 2003 be full of happy moments for you and your close ones, despite the dark clouds looming ahead. May this be a year of generosity towards those in need. And, for us, the community of pinholers, may this be a year of great fun and great creativity with our strange photographic contraptions. And, finally, a very special thank to Gregg Kemp for continuing to be year-after-year so generous with his time and energy in ensuring that this list and the Pinhole Visions web site/ressource allows us to get together and share our common passion. Well, I feel a little embarrassed, but thanks Guy. And I'll join with you in wishing everyone a happy holiday and a happy 2003, and as our friend Tom Lindsay says "keep on pinholin'"! - Gregg
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Web forums
On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 02:26 PM, Jeff Dilcher wrote: If anyone would like to start a new forum, just write to me at gregg@??? and I'll set it up. If you'd like to also moderate a forum, even better! Great work, Greg! I like the idea of additional ways to post pictures. I fear, however, that a web based group of pinhole sub-topics will weaken our "catch all" email forum. An email group, like ours, is very "passive", in that, I am a part of the flow of discussion without having to remember to visit web sites, register, etc. I just have to check my email now and then, which I do anyway during my day. Others won't be like me, and will branch away from this group to discuss things on the seperate web forum, thereby fracturing our group. Some of us will miss contributions which, I guess, would have been directed here. I host a mailing list (unrelated topic) of 700 people, http://www.hiddenworld.net/tag-net . I thought about doing the same web based sub groups, but didn't, only because I feared diluting the email group, which I had fostered for about 10 years. Maybe this Pinhole group has reached the volume level where some branching out is necessary, however, I don't feel I get two much mail, as it stands. Anyway, just my two cents, as a fellow moderator. I appreciate the forum, however it changes, and enjoy reading and contributing to the group, when I can. I appreciate the positive tone of most of the discussions here, and the willingness of folks to help others out. Happy Holidays all- Take advantage of some time off from work to get some images!! -Jeff Dilcher Atlanta, GA USA Thanks for the feedback Jeff. I appreciate your concerns about the danger of the forum fracturing the list. But, I also realize that there are people not on the mailing list who might participate in the forum and not join the list. My main objective is to explore and provide various means of communication for us. The forum and the list will survive or not survive based on their own merits and depending on how much either is used. One reason I publish the "Pinhole News" separate from the discussion list is that not everyone is interested in exhibits, events, and other stories that come into the Pinhole Visions web site. Some people subscribe to one and not the other and some people subscribe to both. I'm mostly trying to provide options so people have access or can participate in sharing information the way that works for them. But, I think your concerns are valid and it is worth keeping an eye on how the forum might affect the list. I certainly don't won't to weaken the list. I'm constantly impressed at how helpful and open everyone is, and what a friendly community we have been for such a long time. We pinholers seem to play well with others! - Gregg
[pinhole-discussion] new upload gallery for 2003
Hi All, I've been looking at different options for providing a better gallery space for this list - where anyone can not only upload an image, but can also write a description of it or pose a question about a problem, etc. I've finally set up what I hope will be accomplish that and more. It is a discussion "forum" that allows the uploading of images. My intention was to provide not only a better place to upload images, but also to provide space for other discussion. The forum is located at: http://www.???/forum/ and the upload gallery at: http://www.???/forum/viewforum.php?f=34 If anyone would like to start a new forum, just write to me at gregg@??? and I'll set it up. If you'd like to also moderate a forum, even better! This forum is for the use of everyone on the list, so please let me know anything you don't like about it. I may or may not be able to change things, but I'll look into it. To use the forum, you will need to register. If you registered for the forum from last year, your registration should still work. If you have forgotten your password, it will mail one to you. To check to see if you're on the list, select the "memberlist" option. There's a lot of information on registering and using the forum in the FAQ at http://www.???/forum/faq.php I hope you like the gallery. Gregg
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Yet another lensless technique !!
That's really remarkable, Guillermo. I whole new area of exploration just opened up. Nice going! Gregg On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 12:49 AM, Guillermo wrote: I just finished writing and web-publishing a small article about the newest lensless technique. Similar to zone plate, it used diffraction in order to focus light, but instead of rings, it uses a large amount of pinholes appropriately distributed, this technique is called PHOTON SIEVE imaging, I invite you to take a look at: http://members.rogers.com/penate/sieve/photonsieve.html Guillermo
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Silver prints from digital files?
On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 02:48 PM, bendur...@aol.com wrote: Hello Could anyone tell me about internet sources that tell you how to make digital negative for contact printing. Ben Dan Burkholder's site has some info and his book on this: http://www.danburkholder.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Does Pinhole-Discussion have an archive?
Thanks for the reply, Guillermo. And I agree about the earlier archive being easier to search than the more recent postings. I hope to combine the two sometime next year into a single archive similar to the earlier one. - Gregg On Tuesday, November 5, 2002, at 04:12 PM, Guillermo wrote: - Original Message - From: "Andrew Amundsen" ...how do we access the archives? Could someone post a link? Andrew: You will see a link to the DISCUSSION page, at the foot of each posting, go there and 3/4 down the page there is a link to archives. There are 2 categories of archived messages: those posted previous to 08/22/2000 and those posted after. The former are easier to search than the latter, unfortunately. Guillermo
Re: [pinhole-discussion] authentic space
On Sunday, October 27, 2002, at 06:43 PM, Steve Bell wrote: Hmm, well let's see. i originally began with the idea of places where people go to reclaim the past. for example, diners. i go to diners all the time, and a friend of mine started talking to me about the idea of authentic space. like, in the 50's diners were kind of this ideal for the future. all stream lined and chrome and neon. now diners are this ideal of the past. this space where people feel like they are part of something authentic. we also talked about how yuppie artist types get apartments in more urban areas, and nouveau bourgoise people buy industrial type buildings and turn them into living spaces so they can feel more conntected to the working class that they've left behind. this is all architectural theory that she had been reading. it got me very interested. so i've been shooting authentic space. i started off just doing diners and thrift stores, but i've now started relying more on my instincts, shooting whatever feels like authentic space, rather than defining it by these specific criteria. I find this very interesting Steve - the idea of how the perspective of a place changes over time. What places, or types of places have your instincts taken you to (if you don't mind my asking)? And thank you Rosanne, for asking about the meaning of "authentic" places. I just assumed I had simply missed out on something else. - Gregg
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 4x5 film
here's a copy: http://www.redhillphoto.com/Reilly.pdf - Gregg On Thursday, October 17, 2002, at 01:12 PM, Gordon J. Holtslander wrote: Hi: It looks like the site is down. The is a fabulous collection of albumen and salted paper information on this site including reilly's book. I search for albumen at http://www.stanford.edu gives manner of links to http://albumen.stanford.edu but I tried to "ping" albumen.stanford.edu and recieved no response. Keep trying - there is a great deal of wonderful information there. I've asked someone at www.standford.edu to clarify what is going on. Gord On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, George L Smyth wrote: --- "Gordon J. Holtslander" wrote: One of the best books on salt printing (and albumen printing) is The Albumen and Salted Paper Book by James Reilly - its out of print but is available online as a web page at: http://albumen.stanford.edu/library/monographs/reilly/ Gordon - Not "one of" but "the" best book on the subject. I've got a copy, but was suprised to hear that it was online (I wanted to do that long ago, but couldn't get permission). The above link I see as dead. Could you check it and let me know if the book is indeed online? Thanks - george
[pinhole-discussion] 4x5 camera plans
Also does anyone know of any designs for making a 4x5 pinhole camera, or have any advice I don't want to buyone, but I want one that produces good quality images and is reliable. There's some information here about a source of plans for building a wooden camera that will work for pinhole as well as lens: http://www.???/diary/?option=story&id=234 - Gregg
Re: [pinhole-discussion] GREGG...I think someones spoofing your address.... Careful about opening Subject: Re: WPPD in Sweden - FYIO
Thanks Andy and George for the virus information. I just returned from a week's vacation and had several email messages from friends referring to similar email I never sent. So, I especially thank George for his summary of the Bugbear virus. This is a really good example of the spoofing, as my computer hasn't even been on for 5 days! regards, - Gregg On Saturday, October 5, 2002, at 05:03 PM, George L Smyth wrote: The Bugbear virus uses email spoofing, so this has nothing to do with his email personally. When it infects a computer, it grabs a random email address from the person's address book and places it into the From area (note http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/ w32.bugb...@mm.html). In this way, it appears that the virus is coming from someone who had nothing to do with the infection in the first place. Unfortunately, some virus programs send a notice to the person in the From area, telling them that they sent the virus. This only leads to confusion, since the person never sent the email in the first place. Don't open attachments without knowledge that someone sent one (send them an email asking if they did send one before opening it). Ensure that you have an antivirus program running when you do open an attachment, just in case you were inadvertently sent an infected file. It's just a cost of doing business on the Internet. Cheers - george --- Andy Schmitt wrote: I don't have your direct email address so I couldn't send it just to you.. I'm really happy my ISP does this... andy
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole Photographs exhibit on Zone Zero site
Hi Jean, Thanks for noticing this site. Carlos Jurado was in the exhibition last year, but the real organizer was Adolfina Paredes who teaches at a university in Veracruz. ZoneZero is a great site for photography and life run by Pedro Meyer. A recent editorial of his documents how his digital camera and laptop computer gave him vital assistance in his medical treatment after a serious accident in Ecuador. http://zonezero.com/editorial/editorial.html - Gregg At 11:28 PM 7/31/2002 +0200, you wrote: The Zone Zero News bulletin of August indicates that there is an exhibit of pinhole photography on the Zone Zero site. You can find these pictures at : http://zonezero.com/exposiciones/fotografos/estenopo/index.html The exhibit is in direct relation with the "First National Encounter of Pinhole Photography," held in the city of Veracruz, Mexico, during the month of July 2001 and shows several photographers, among them the founders of this event , Carlos Jurado . There are a lot of very interesting pictures shown there. I also enjoyed to find in this exhibit some lovely pictures by a pinholist that we all know and appreciate not only for his pinhole work but also for his great work as administrator of this list and Pinhole vision site : Gregg Kemp! Bravo Gregg ! Happy pinholing to everybody! from France Jean
Re: SV: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole size
At 08:48 AM 7/22/2002 +0200, you wrote: Haven't tried it myself, but I guess it would work: in your darkroom , you place a transparent ruler somehow in your enlarger and mark the mm-steps on a paper. Then placing the pinhole-plate in the enlarger, you see if its round and get an approximation of the size. Perhaps you might get an exact measuring doing some maths on the enlargers height etc - but thats' beyond my skills for sure. /peter I've used a transparent ruler this way also, but have found that the ruler is a bit "fuzzy" when projected. As an improvement to this, I made a scale of 2mm, divided into 1/10th markings (in Photoshop). I printed this onto transparency film. Then I cut it to fit into the enlarger. Once in the enlarger, move the enlarger up or down to project the 1mm onto 1cm of the ruler on the stand. The enlarger is then calibrated. If you cut your brass shim (or whatever strata you are using for the pinhole) to fit the enlarger film holder, you can now insert it and measure its size on the ruler on the stand. I hope this explanation makes sense. I've used this in a couple of workshops I've done (as a more advanced thing you can do), and it produced very accurate pinholes for everyone. I think a magnifier like a Lupe is perfect for checking how well made the hole is, but the enlarger gives a pretty good measure of its size. Here's a pdf version of it if anyone would like to use it: ftp://ftp.p at ???/pinholeSizeProjection.pdf - Gregg
Re: [pinhole-discussion] lack of pinhole images on photosig
At 09:05 AM 7/11/2002 -0700, you wrote: --- pinholeren...@netscape.net wrote: > I have been looking at the photo site PHOTOSIG for pinhole images & can find > only a few.I would love to see more pinhole & zoneplate images represented on > the site.I would like to know if any of the people on the list post images on > the site.lets get some more exposure for a great camera & process. > chip renner I don't know anything about this site (I don't even know the URL), but since it is free and easy to create your own website, I would expect that pinholers simply create their own site and display their work. Cheers- george I agree with you George. I was curious and took a look at www.photosig.com. Its a very impressive site, perfect for a photo community. I try to keep up with the direction things take on the web and I think the photosig site may well be a milestone in this type of community. It combines discussion and image viewing very nicely. I have written to Willis Boyce, the developer of the site to see if he would consider sharing his code. He uses the same programming language I use on the Pinhole Visions site, so it would be easy to implement a similar site for the discussion list if he is agreeable. If not, then I am considering doing something somewhat similar myself. This will take a while, but it fits in with the direction I have wanted to take things for some time - combining a "forum" with an on-line "gallery". The "forum" by itself did not go over well this past year, but I think it might be used more if combined directly with the gallery. What I would set up would require members to "register" (the same as the discussion list) before posting images or in the forum (in order to keep down the spammers, etc.), but anyone could view images and postings. I would be interested in other's thoughts about this. - Gregg
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 126 pinhole camera
At 05:58 PM 6/17/2002 +0100, you wrote: I am still using this camera ( camera box made from black card and attached to a cartridge of 126 film - increasingly difficult to get hold of! The pinhole is made from aluminium pastry foil) despite manual wind-on problems etc. Could Guillermo or one of the experts please tell me who first described it. Do you have the reference to a paper or did it first appear on the internet? I'm hoping to write a paper and would like to give credit to the person. Thanks, and happy pinholing everyone Roger There's quite a bit of documentation on 126 pinhole cameras on the web. Kodak use to have a page on it before the 126 film format was discontinued. I have a copy of the original Kodak how-to page stored here (with Kodak's permission): http://www.???/resources/pinhole126/pinhole.htm Here's another, similar how-to page: http://www.exploratorium.edu/light_walk/camera_todo.html A search at google.com for "126 pinhole camera" will display many more links. And here's a photo I uploaded last year of some of the camera bodies I've used out of paper towel and toilet paper tubes: http://www.???/discussion/upload/gallery2001.php?pic=126bodies.jpg - hope this is helpful, Gregg
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Funny Pinhole Site
At 11:43 PM 6/2/2002 -0500, you wrote: I suspect that the site is more of an attempt to show off clever web site design skills than an attempt to showcase pinhole photography. Mike Vande Bunt You're right, and a rather successful attempt at that. I noted the site in the Pinhole Diary in November of last year: http://www.???/diary/index.php?id=197 "The Pinhole Spy Camera site, developed by Mod7 Communications in Vancouver, Canada, was chosen as a finalist in the Baddeck International New Media Awards 2001, a venue created to 'celebrate new media and to look into the industry's future'." - Gregg
Re: [pinhole-discussion] tube development and scratches
I put the screen in first and press it against the tube, then load the film, emulsion side facing away from the screen and tube. - Gregg At 10:56 AM 6/2/2002 -0700, you wrote: Gregg wrote: > I use a piece of plastic screening inside a tube to avoid the scratching > and also allow the chemicals to cover both sides. I think I got this idea > from someone's posting on the list a couple of years ago. It has worked > pretty well. You can buy the screening at a hardware store and just cut it > to fit inside the tube. This sounds like a good idea. Do you put the screen in before you put the film in, or sort of wrap it around the film before inserting it? I'll try it tomorrow, and also try sanding and steel wool as per John's suggestion. Thanks, --shannon
Re: [pinhole-discussion] tube development
I use a piece of plastic screening inside a tube to avoid the scratching and also allow the chemicals to cover both sides. I think I got this idea from someone's posting on the list a couple of years ago. It has worked pretty well. You can buy the screening at a hardware store and just cut it to fit inside the tube. - Gregg At 04:55 AM 6/2/2002 -0700, you wrote: The inside edges of the tube have to be very polished. I have had many a tube that have felt smooth, but have scratched my film. The best way to get around it is to keep sanding the edges with finer and finer sand paper, and finally finish it off with steel wool. You could also try puttin your finger between the film and the tube in the center of the film where it is being scrached. John http://www.enteric.org/ - Original Message - From: "Shannon Stoney" To: Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 10:57 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] tube development > I just made a tube for developing 8x10 film in, out of ABS black plastic > pipe. I did it according to the directions in the Beyond the Zone System > book. It worked pretty well, held liquid well, etc, but when I withdrew the > film from the tube it scratched the non-emulsion side pretty badly with two > long scratches. I felt around inside the tube but couldn't feel any big > sharp places or anything. I had sanded some inside. Any clue as to what > caused these scratches? maybe residual sand from the sandpaper? > > --shannon > > ___ > Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] WPPD2 on-line exhibition
Dear fellow pinholers, The submission form for WPPD2 officially closed at midnight (GMT) with 902 people from 35 countries participating in this year's pinhole day on-line exhibition. I would guess that even people than that took a pinhole photo that day but did not participate in the on-line exhibition. Even so, the exhibition is a true testimonial and document of our joining together around the world to support each other in exploring our lives on this planet. Best wishes to everyone from the WPPD2 coordinating team! http://www.pinholeday.org/org/2002/images/coord_team.jpg - Gregg
Re: [pinhole-discussion] WPPD winding down!
At 12:30 PM 5/30/2002 -0400, you wrote: How do we access these Emil addresses? I can't seem to find them. Is this a browser thing? Or am I looking in the wrong place. If anyone is unable to see the email address at the bottom of the "photo" page, please send me an email stating what browser and operating system you are using. I may need to change some things for this to work with all browsers. Please do not post a reply to the list, but send your information to supp...@pinholeday.org. Thanks, Gregg
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Very large format...
I wonder why his prints are so small? he must use a reducer instead of an enlarger... ;-) - Gregg -Original Message- From: Andy Schmitt [mailto:aschm...@warwick.net] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 9:51 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Very large format... Gee an answer to the homeless photographer problem... 8o) andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Guy Glorieux Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 5:38 AM To: pinhole List Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Very large format... Hi all, I picked this up from Clive Russell on the Large Format list. http://www.f32.net/Services/Equipment/Cameras/hunter-penrose.html What an incredible piece of equipment! Of course, I'll need to wash my mouse with soap for referencing lens equipment on this list, but I thought that with a bit of imagination we could imagine replacing the lens with a 1.778mm pinhole at f/1012 and do some interesting work... Keep on pinholin' as Tom would say, Guy ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Headlands Center WPPD photos
I believe I have it fixed this time around - at least for IE 5.5 and Mozilla 1.0 browsers. Thanks for reporting the problem and please let me know any others your run across. - Gregg At 12:34 PM 5/15/2002 -0400, you wrote: Hi, Still get the "Internal Server Error" :( Bogdan Gregg Kemp wrote: > > There was an error in the script which I've corrected. The posted url should work now. > > http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2002/index.php?id=633 > > Gregg > > -Original Message- > From: Andy Schmitt [mailto:aschm...@warwick.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:41 AM > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 > #702 - 4 msgs > > Hey there.. > I received the following message when I tried to go there: > Internal Server Error > The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable > to complete your request. > Please contact the server administrator, pinh...@pair.com and inform them of > the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have > caused the error. > > More information about this error may be available in the server error log. > > Maybe I tried tooo quickly.. > andy > > -Original Message- > From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? > [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of aaron > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:18 AM > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #702 > - 4 msgs > > hi all. > some pictures are going up from a WWPD2 event at the Headlands Center in > Sausalito, CA. > they start at number 633. > > http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2002/index.php?id=633 > > the pictures were taken with cameras made from 35mm film cannisters. > they were given out to visitors at one of the galleries there. > /aaron > > ___ > Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ > > ___ > Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ > > ___ > Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ -- __ Bogdan Karasek Montréal, Québece-mail: bkara...@videotron.ca Canada "Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen" "What we cannot speak about we must pass over in silence" Ludwig Wittgenstein ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Headlands Center WPPD photos
humm, you're right, Bogdan. Thanks for checking. I'll give it another try... Gregg -Original Message- From: Bogdan Karasek [mailto:bkara...@videotron.ca] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:34 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Headlands Center WPPD photos Hi, Still get the "Internal Server Error" :( Bogdan Gregg Kemp wrote: > > There was an error in the script which I've corrected. The posted url should > work now. > > http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2002/index.php?id=633 > > Gregg > > -Original Message- > From: Andy Schmitt [mailto:aschm...@warwick.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:41 AM > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 > #702 - 4 msgs > > Hey there.. > I received the following message when I tried to go there: > Internal Server Error > The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable > to complete your request. > Please contact the server administrator, pinh...@pair.com and inform them of > the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have > caused the error. > > More information about this error may be available in the server error log. > > Maybe I tried tooo quickly.. > andy > > -Original Message- > From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? > [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of aaron > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:18 AM > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #702 > - 4 msgs > > hi all. > some pictures are going up from a WWPD2 event at the Headlands Center in > Sausalito, CA. > they start at number 633. > > http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2002/index.php?id=633 > > the pictures were taken with cameras made from 35mm film cannisters. > they were given out to visitors at one of the galleries there. > /aaron > > ___ > Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ > > ___ > Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ > > ___ > Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ -- __ Bogdan Karasek Montréal, Québece-mail: bkara...@videotron.ca Canada "Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen" "What we cannot speak about we must pass over in silence" Ludwig Wittgenstein ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] Headlands Center WPPD photos
There was an error in the script which I've corrected. The posted url should work now. http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2002/index.php?id=633 Gregg -Original Message- From: Andy Schmitt [mailto:aschm...@warwick.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:41 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #702 - 4 msgs Hey there.. I received the following message when I tried to go there: Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, pinh...@pair.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. Maybe I tried tooo quickly.. andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of aaron Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:18 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #702 - 4 msgs hi all. some pictures are going up from a WWPD2 event at the Headlands Center in Sausalito, CA. they start at number 633. http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2002/index.php?id=633 the pictures were taken with cameras made from 35mm film cannisters. they were given out to visitors at one of the galleries there. /aaron ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Daylux
Sarah, Here's some information Ed Levinson sent me about the Polaroid pinhole camera, now available in the US as well as Japan: http://www.???/diary/?option=story&id=214 - Gregg At 08:18 AM 5/7/02 -0400, you wrote: This has probably already been discussed, but does anyone here have the Daylux pinhole camera which takes Polaroid film? If so, how do you like it? I have been wondering about doing pinhole with Polaroids. Anyone take the lens off an SX-70 or One Step? I got one for 25 cents at a church rummage sale and was thinking I might convert it. Sarah _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
Re: [pinhole-discussion] RE: WPPD Financing/Contributions
At 06:57 PM 5/1/02 -0700, you wrote: So, we're not talking about a lot of money. But, what we receive will be used only for WPPD expenses. And so far, those expenses are very small - domain name registration, and some web server expenses. Gregg, I am so pleased with the WPPD event -- and can only imagine the work involved -- that I would like to contribute to the cause. I plan to buy a t-shirt, but I'd like to make more than a $1 contribution. Could WPPD use money for past or future expenses? If so, can we send checks to you? And you address? Thanks to all the organizers for the hard work. Tom Hi Tom, Thanks for your generous thoughts on supporting WPPD. My initial response is to say "no need for that". But it isn't for me only to say, and I think it would be good to let you and others know about the money side of this. To put things into context, the only expenses for planning and promoting WPPD (beyond the countless hours donated by members of the coordinating team and translators) are for the web site and the registration of the pinholeday.org domain name. The domain registration is around $18 a year. And the WPPD web site is actually a part of the Pinhole Visions web site - it just has it's own domain name and URL. Why is it set up this way? Well, I'm a computer programmer and a visual artist. The Pinhole Visions web site is one of my hobbies. I rent for the web space for Pinhole Visions from one of the best web service providers in the world, pair Networks. I pay what many would consider a high price for this space in order to have access to the tools and databases I need to write intelligent, "data-driven" applications (like the WPPD2 exhibition). Also, I hate web sites with obnoxious pop-up window ads and banner ads on each page trying to sell stuff I have no interest in. By paying for my space from a reputable service provider, I have complete control of the content for both Pinhole Visions and for WPPD (no ISP pop-up or banner ads). My goal with the PV web site has always been to provide a place where pinholers can participate in a variety of ways. This discussion list started by James Kellar and moderated by James and Guy Glorieux is one example. Robert Oehl edits the "directory" of over 200 pinhole web sites listed on the PV site. And, close to 30 members of the WPPD team have personal accounts to log in and edit the content of the pinholeday.org web site. It's very gratifying to me that so many of us are contributing to that web site. WPPD isn't just "my" web site. It is "our" web site. I have paid the bills for all of this for about 5 years now. I have introduced a few ways to reduce my costs such as selling books through Amazon.com, and I recently began selling Pinhole Visions "wares" similar to the WPPD "wares". I only advertise pinhole-related items. Book sales from Amazon pay for 1 or 2 months operation per year. The "wares" may eventually pay for another month. The biggest support I have received in operating the PV site is from Zernike Au and the Zero Image Company. Zernike is my only paying advertiser on the site and I am proud to advertise his fine products. I think for the future of the Pinhole Visions site and the future of the WPPD, it would be good to consider moving WPPD to its own "account". And that will mean new funding for that. There have been discussions among some of the members of the coordinating team to set up WPPD as a non-profit organization. If that happens, funding will be an important issue. So, to get back to your question, please do not send me any money. Let's wait until the WPPD3 coordinating team is formed, and see what their plans are. - Gregg _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Thanks to all the WPPD Contributors.
Thank you James. All of us involved appreciate your kind words and the many thanks we have received in email, the exhibition guest book, and here on the discussion list. We on the coordinating team also appreciate the (unsolicited) reference to the t-shirts and other "wares" available. However, we decided several weeks ago not to promote these items ourselves because we did not want to turn pinhole day into a "commercial" event. At the same time, we wanted to make some items available to those who want them, to commemorate WPPD2. No one should feel that you need to buy any of these items to support pinhole day - that is not an issue. If you would like one of these items for your enjoyment, they are available and of good quality (based on the ones I have bought and others comments). I would like for everyone to know the finances of this. It cost us nothing to set up this service with cafepress.com. Guy Glorieux designed the white t-shirt and I designed the other items. We set the web site with the items and CafePress.com prints items as they are ordered. They seem to do a very good job, but have been a little slow to ship things in the past couple of weeks. For each item sold, we get one dollar, regardless of the item, and they get the rest. The check is sent to me and I'm keeping records of what we receive. So, we're not talking about a lot of money. But, what we receive will be used only for WPPD expenses. And so far, those expenses are very small - domain name registration, and some web server expenses. It is very unlikely we will collect more than our annual expense for the web site. We are feeling very proud of this year's event, and very excited about what we believe was a very large turnout on April 28. The photos that are coming in We can all celebrate the success of this year's pinhole day (no t-shirts required!) Thanks again to everyone who helped make this a fun day for a lot of people, and to everyone who got out there and had some fun! Gregg > -Original Message- > From: James Kellar [mailto:pinh...@jameskellar.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 8:19 AM > To: Pinhole Disscussion Group > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Thanks to all the WPPD Contributors. > > > Hi all, > > I hope everyone had a great WPPD. By the looks of the gallery it is > going to be a great success. Last time Iooked there were over > 200 great > images. Remember to thank all the wonderful people who put > there time, > effort and money to make this work. Below you will see a list > of all the > folks who made this all possible. If by chance you haven't > noticed you > can buy WPPD T-Shirts, mugs and other great looking items that help > promote and celebrate the WPPD. Also when you make a purchase > you help > defray some of the costs it takes to put on this advent. So if you > haven't placed your order yet go to, > http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=wppd, and do so > today. > > James > > Coordinating Team Guy Glorieux (Canada, team leader) > Gregg Kemp (USA, team leader) > Zernike Au (Hong Kong) > Jean Daubas (France) > Edward Levinson (Japan) > Tom Miller (USA) > Guillermo Peñate (El Salvador) > Ana Maria Schultze (Brazil) > Rosanne Stutts (USA) > Publicity Rosanne Stutts (coordinator) > Paolo Aldi (Italy) > Dennis Johanson (Sweden) > Marco Dreher (graphics) > (Coordinating Team) > > Resources (Coordinating Team) > Dieter Bublitz (Germany) > Tom Miller (web page) > George L Smyth (web page) > Related EventsTom Miller (coordinator) > Web Site: Gregg Kemp > Language Translations:Gregg Kemp (coordinator) > Chinese: Zernike Au > Fei Zheng > Deutsch: Dieter Bublitz > Martin Adler > Dutch:Wolfgang Thoma > Wally Thoma-Schuermans > Frans van Dijk > > Español: Guillermo Peñate > Français: Jean-Luc Coulon > Guy Glorieux > Jean Daubas > Italiano: Patrizia di Siro > Japanese: Edward Levinson > Polski: Anna Oldak > Kasia Oldak > Português:Guilherme Galarraga > Ana Maria Schultze > Members of Lata Magica > Srpski: Vladimir Mikovic > Slovensko:Vojko Flis > Svenska: Jan Hinderson > Dennis Johanson > Peter Wiklund > > > ___ > Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] longggggg exposure upon a child
At 07:09 AM 4/22/02 -0400, you wrote: I went to the link, but there were no images linked from the page. i would really like to see these, anyone know what's wrong with the site? or my computer? steve Hi Steve, You'll need to select "Exhibition" at the top of the page to go to the first image in the exhibition. Or these links will take you directly to the pages: http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2001/photo_63.html http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2001/photo_76.html - Gregg > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 4/21/2002 8:05:14 PM > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] longg exposure upon a child > > In a message dated 4/21/02 7:25:19 PM Central Daylight Time, > ethereal...@mindspring.com writes: > > > Hi Dennis > > I think you are referring to http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/ and go to > > Image 63 by Annalee Bloomfield. She did the all night photo of her > invisible > > self. > > And Image 76 by Gregg Kemp, the Electric Picnic is the picnic. > > Rosanne > > > Ah yes, thats the ones, much thanks Roseanne, I knew someone here would > recall the photographer(s) better than I would, but the images were power > filled ones for me, nonetheless... > > Dennis > _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Martha Casanave
John and Leonard, You might also enjoy browsing through the nearly 200 web sites listed in the "international directory of pinhole photographers" edited by Robert Oehl at http://www.???/directory/ Additions and updates to the directory (like Craig Barber's new site) are also published on the PV home page at http://www.??? . enjoy! :) Gregg At 06:42 PM 4/12/02 -0700, you wrote: WOW - Thanks - I have to admit I had never seen this site before, either. - John Edwards, Vancouver, WA LEONARD NEUMANN wrote: > I am new to pinhole and spend a lot of time looking at the web for > portfolios of different artists, this one really knocked me out. > > http://www.marthacasanave.com/cp.html > _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Thomas Kellner's web site
Thomas Kellner's web site is http://www.tkellner.de/ ( from the directory at http://www.???/directory/ ) - Gregg At 03:44 PM 4/7/02 +0200, you wrote: Hey everybody, my webpage is online for a while with an extra section pinhole. (PCusers ) Best regards from Germany _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
[pinhole-discussion] FW: Pinhole News, April 11, 2002
some very cool news regarding WPPD... Congratulations to Zernike Au for his role in this project to turn a watchtower of the Great Wall of China into a camera obscura on pinhole day! - Gregg -Original Message- From: Pinhole Visions [mailto:news@p at ???] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 9:09 AM To: Pinhole News Subject: Pinhole News, April 11, 2002 from the Pinhole Diary... == The Great Wall of China Pinhole Camera == [2002-04-11] Chinese artist Shi Gou Rui is converting one of the watchtowers of the Great Wall of China into a large pinhole camera to take a large pinhole photo during the 2nd annual Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day on April 28th. Mr. Shi is being assisted in this project by friends James Chen, Vicky Xu, He Chongyue, Lin Ran, Chen Zhanbo and his wife Vicky Xu. WPPD team coordinator Zernike Au of Hong Kong is also assisting the project as the event's technical consultant and will join Shi at the Great Wall on April 28, 2002 Read full story at http://www.???/diary/?option=story&id=211 (reported by: Gregg Kemp) * * * * * * For more news items on pinhole photography, visit the Pinhole Diary at: http://www.???/diary/ If you have a pinhole story of interest, please add it to the Pinhole Diary at: http://www.???/diary/?option=add = Pinhole News subscribers: 445 (05-Apr-2002) Pinhole Diary archive: http://www.p at ???/diary/ To unsubscribe, send an email to news-list-request@p at ??? with the subject "unsubscribe". =
[pinhole-discussion] do you live near Glasgow, Scotland?
Hi, Does anyone on the list live near Glasgow, Scotland? I've been contacted by a feature writer for a newspaper there, wanting to do a feature on Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day, using a local family. She is looking for someone to instruct the family in making pinhole cameras. If you live in the area and are interested in helping (and being in the paper), please contact me at gregg.kemp@???. Thanks! Gregg
Re: [pinhole-discussion] new List member: brief introduction
At 11:08 PM 4/8/02 +0200, you wrote: I made my first few trials with a cappuccino tin camera, Welcome to the list Christian. It sounds like you have excellent taste! :) - Gregg _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
RE: [pinhole-discussion] canada.com Story
Nice going, Guy - a really fine article. Great promotion for pinhole photography and pinhole day. 19 days and counting... - Gregg > -Original Message- > From: Guy Glorieux [mailto:guy.glori...@sympatico.ca] > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 3:18 PM > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] canada.com Story > > > Thanks Michel, > The newspaper article had a nice picture of me with my workspace with > pinhole cameras and prints in the background. They replaced it on the > web with a publicity for Cadillac. Too bad... Not my doin'...! > Cheers all and happy pinholin'! > Guy > > > - Original Message - > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 10:27 PM > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] canada.com Story > > > > Dear pinhole-discussion@p at ???, > > > > Your friend michelbay...@webtv.net thought you might be > interested in > this canada.com story: > > > > "Light, camera, pinhole" > > > > > http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgazette/columnists/stor y.asp?id=6 95AE32A-A1DA-47AC-9943-0D7B1836650A > > felicitation...congratulation Guy Glorieux on your interview in the montreal gazette, sunday april 17 - 2002 column section page a4...bravo, great for all pinholers. regards mickey > > ___ > This is a free service courtesy of > canada.com (http://www.canada.com) > ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] test message
Hello, I have had a couple of emails today from members concerned that the list may not be working. This is partly a test, and partly an assurance that the list is fine, but there just hasn't been much traffic the last couple of days. hoping everyone is fine, Gregg
RE: RE: RE: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Finney 4x5 for sale
I have temporarily suspended postings to David. But, there may be a few more coming through before he stops getting email from the list, and we stop getting his auto replies. Gregg > -Original Message- > From: Jeff Dilcher [mailto:dilc...@hiddenworld.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:03 PM > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Finney 4x5 for sale > > > > > Dreaded circular email loop in progress. You might want to > temporarily > disconnect David! > > > > On 3 Apr 2002, David Weinberg wrote: > > > I am on the west Coast this week with limited access to email. > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > http://www.???/discussion/ > > > > > ___ > Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
[pinhole-discussion] WPPD2 update
The second annual Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day (to be held on April 28) is now less than a month away. Since this "pinhole day" event originated on this discussion list, I wanted to bring everyone up to date on where things are at this time. Nearly 30 people from around the world have contributed in various ways to this year's preparations. In addition to the nine members of the coordinating team, 17 people have contributed their time in translating publicity material and also the web site into 12 languages (in addition to English). Many of these same people have also helped in promoting WPPD2 in their countries. These people have done a really great job of making the event and the web site truly international. A complete list of all the people who have contributed this year is on the web site at: http://www.pinholeday.org/org/team.php There is still time for list members to help publicize WPPD2. There are files on the web site that can be downloaded and printed for use as "flyers" or "handbills" (English, French, and Spanish versions). Please take these to your local photo stores, art centers, university bulletin boards, or anywhere else you can think of where there may be interest. Anyone with a web site is encouraged to add a banner to your page with a link to the pinholeday.org web site. Several graphics are available for this, or create your own. The flyers and banners can be downloaded from: http://www.pinholeday.org/org/promotion.php If you have any questions regarding publicity, please contact Rosanne Stutts at ethereal...@mindspring.com. Something that was added to our planning this year that has been very successful is the coordination of workshops and other events for pinhole day. Tom Miller has coordinated this effort in several ways: helping people get their information listed on the web site, tracking down workshops, and also preparing a detailed guide for developing pinhole photography workshops (available in English and French). As of today, there are 23 workshops listed in 6 countries. It would be great to see workshops available in more countries, but this year was a great start in that area. If anyone is doing a workshop between now and pinhole day, that is NOT listed on the pinholeday.org web site, please contact Tom to list it. Tom is also working with groups who are planning to get together on pinhole day to make photos. These groups can also choose to have a special listing in the web exhibition. Events are listed at: http://www.pinholeday.org/participate/events.php Tom's guide and other resources for workshop planners is located at: http://www.pinholeday.org/support/ws_resources.php Please contact Tom if you have planned any public event that is not already listed, or have questions regarding getting an event listed. Another new addition to this year's pinhole day will be a "gift shop" where you can purchase souvenirs of WPPD2, including t-shirts, caps, and coffee mugs. Thanks go to list moderator James Keller for finding a company on the web to print items for us. Everything will be available on-line. Several WPPD2 team members have already ordered and received merchandise to be sure it is good quality, and we have been very pleased. As soon as the gift shop is ready, we'll let everyone know the address. The exhibition this year includes several suggestions posted to the discussion list last year, like browsing by pages of small (thumbnail) images, and better language support for the navigation. The exhibition can be viewed by country, region, city, or by a workshop or other group. You'll be able to search for a name or words in a title. And you'll be able to go directly to an image or to a page of small images. Each visitor to the exhibition will also be able to return to the last image or page they viewed each time they return to the site (without doing anything special). Thanks for all your suggestions last year! Right about now is a good time to visit the pinhole day web site and start thinking about your WPPD2 photo: http://www.pinholeday.org/ best regards, Gregg _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
Re: [pinhole-discussion] RESOLUTION AND PINHOLE
Hi Philippe, There's a excellent article by a physicist named Matt Young that might be helpful to you: http://www.???/resources/articles/Young/ - Gregg At 02:18 PM 3/18/02 +0100, you wrote: Hello Guillermo and others, I have built a pinhole camera (half cylindrical) with a focal lenght of 100 mm. The pinhole diameter is exactly 170 µm, laser-cut in a very thin metallic surface. I thought this is still too big to diffract visible light and the smaller the better. I made only one test 90 sec exposure on 400 ISO film (a band piece of 35 mm HP5 from ILFORD)+ Stouffer step tablet. Exposure time is OK but image is blurred. Either my film moved during exposure or my pinhole is too small. According to the formula present in one of Guillermo last mails copied hereunder for reference, I should use a pinhole of 0.36 mm, indeed quite far from the 0.17 mm present diameter. The problem with Guillermo's formula is that I don't understand where this following line comes from: Image point radius = 0.61 * light_wavelength * focal_length / pinhole_radius Indeed, according to that equation, the bigger the pinhole, the smaller the Image point radius and the sharpest the image. If one takes a gigantic pinhole that would give no image at all, the formula tells you that the Image point radius will be very small ?? Where does this formula come from ? I really would like to understand this once for all. Would you have some recommended readings about the fundamental science of pinhole photography from the physics point of vue ? Is there really an optimal pinhole diameter for a given film-hole distance ? And if yes, why excatly ? Feel free to send deep explanations ! or just answers to these many questions. Yours, Philippe Photographic Chemist Ph.D. Belgium > The formula is pinhole(in) = square root FL x 0.0073 or pinhole(mm)= square > root FL x 0.03679. > > My question is; does this formula really give the sharpest image? > > The constant (.oo73 or .03679) is what determines the > answer. So, now the question is; How is the constant determined? > Does it give the "sharpest" image or is it just a trade off > between exposure time and pinhole size? The formula is a trade off between geometrical sharpness (the smaller the hole the "sharper" the image) and diffraction (the bigger the hole the less the image "sharpness is affected by diffraction). Science tells us the radius an image point imaged by a small aperture is given by the formula: Image point radius = 0.61 * light_wavelength * focal_length / pinhole_radius A purely geometrical analysis will show us that the image point radius would be the same size as the pinhole radius: Image point radius = pinhole radius So when the 2 formulas above are equal, we have a balanced "trade off" you talk about: pinhole radius = 0.61 * light_wavelength * focal_length / pinhole_radius therefore: pinhole_radius^2 = 0.61 * light_wavelength * focal_length or pinhole_radius = SQRT (0.61 * light_wavelength * focal_length) or Pinhole_diameter = 2 * SQRT (0.61 * light_wavelength * focal_length) If we select light with wavelength of 0.000555 mm, we would have: Pinhole_diameter = 2 * SQRT (0.61 * 0.000555 * focal_length) or Pinhole_diameter = 0.03679 * SQRT ( focal_length) millimeters The equivalent in inches is: Pinhole_diameter = 0.00073 * SQRT (0.61 * light_wavelength * focal_length) Guillermo ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
[pinhole-discussion] the forum experiment...
Hi everyone, I've closed down the "Pinhole Day 2002/Pinhole Photography" public forums at http://www.???/forum/ after trying it out for the past few months. I don't recall exactly when it was opened up, but I think it was in the late fall of last year. It hasn't been used very much and discussion subjects there seemed to mostly overlap with our existing channels of communication, such as this discussion list. If, at any time, anyone has a need for a "special forum" to discuss things outside of this list, such as the forum for the last "Christmas card swap", or something similar, please get in touch with me and I'll be glad to set it up for you. Any forum I set up will require someone to serve as "moderator" and be responsible for the forum. Thanks, - Gregg _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
Re: [pinhole-discussion] upload gallery
Jeff, there's a description of it here: http://security.e-matters.de/advisories/012002.html At 10:35 AM 2/28/02 -0500, you wrote: Gregg, What was the vulnerability? I allow people to upload and download via PHP scripts on my web site, and probably should tighten up my security... -Jeff On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Gregg Kemp wrote: > Hi all, > > I have temporarily disabled the ability to upload a file to the list's "upload" gallery. You can still view everything ok, but you just want be able to upload any new images for a while. > > I learned today of a bug in the scripting language I use for the uploads that makes the Pinhole Visions web site vulnerable to hackers through file uploads. There is a fix for this bug, but the fix will require some time to implement. I hope to have this fixed this weekend, if possible. > > Thanks, > > Gregg > > ___ > Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ > ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
RE: [pinhole-discussion] upload gallery
The upload page has been restored to the upload gallery. http://www.???/discussion/ For those interested in the details, a major security hole was discovered in the PHP scripting language that is used throughout the Pinhole Visions web site. The bug was in the file upload functions of PHP. An update to this serious bug was provided by the PHP development community within hours of the discovery, and Pair Networks, the web service provider that I use installed the update, also within hours. I've been with Pair for nearly 5 years and can't say enough good things about them. On the flip side, since the upgrade was a major jump from the previous version that was running, there may be side effects of the change that could break other things on the site. So, if anyone notices any problems on the PV site, I would be grateful if you would send me an email at gregg.kemp@??? (rather than posting to the list). Thanks, Gregg > -Original Message- > From: Gregg Kemp [mailto:gregg.k...@sas.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:19 AM > To: 'pinhole-discussion@p at ???' > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] upload gallery > > > Hi all, > > I have temporarily disabled the ability to upload a file to > the list's "upload" gallery. You can still view everything > ok, but you just want be able to upload any new images for a while. > > I learned today of a bug in the scripting language I use for > the uploads that makes the Pinhole Visions web site > vulnerable to hackers through file uploads. There is a fix > for this bug, but the fix will require some time to > implement. I hope to have this fixed this weekend, if possible. > > Thanks, > > Gregg
[pinhole-discussion] upload gallery
Hi all, I have temporarily disabled the ability to upload a file to the list's "upload" gallery. You can still view everything ok, but you just want be able to upload any new images for a while. I learned today of a bug in the scripting language I use for the uploads that makes the Pinhole Visions web site vulnerable to hackers through file uploads. There is a fix for this bug, but the fix will require some time to implement. I hope to have this fixed this weekend, if possible. Thanks, Gregg
[pinhole-discussion] software for the Mac
A programmer named Christopher Holland sent me some information on a free software program he wrote for pinhole calculations. The information is posted on the Pinhole Visions site at http://www.???/diary/?option=story&id=208 Its for the Mac OS only. If anyone with a Mac tries it out, I would be interested in hearing about it. - Gregg _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
Re: [pinhole-discussion] list is fine (?)
At 11:00 PM 2/9/02 -0200, you wrote: Gregg, As you see I got your message, but nobody else's. Isn't that strange ? God, where's "the others" ? On 08/02/02 I got no messages. Never saw this happens. Did you receive any ? If the whole list took a nap you shouldn't have received any either; if you had, so the problem maybe was in my provider or a momentary comunication gap between only us, since I received messages from other folks. The feeling now is that the whole cyberspace is only ours ! Hummm, that's a really nice idea, Ricardo - that we have all of cyberspace to ourselves for a brief moment. I have not had any posts from the list either, so I think they're all hiding, waiting to surprise us. Or, maybe everyone else is at the Olympics? So, as the night is beautiful here, think I go outside a take some very long exposure shots in old colonial narrow stone paved streets. Ricardo. That also sounds nice. Is it warm where you are? Its a little too chilly here (for me). Take your time, and I'll give you a shout if anyone else posts to the list. - Gregg - Original Message - From: Gregg Kemp To: Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 7:38 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] list is fine (?) > Hi Ricardo, > > The list is fine, as far as I know. Sometimes everyone takes a nap around > here. :) > > Maybe you can wake things up? > > - Gregg > > At 07:14 PM 2/9/02 -0200, you wrote: > >Gregg, > > > >I don't receive new messages for two days, what's very unusual. Could you > >please tell me if there's something wrong going on and why ? Indeed I can't > >live without the list news anymore ! Thanks for your help, > > > >Ricardo.
[pinhole-discussion] list is fine (?)
Hi Ricardo, The list is fine, as far as I know. Sometimes everyone takes a nap around here. :) Maybe you can wake things up? - Gregg At 07:14 PM 2/9/02 -0200, you wrote: Gregg, I don't receive new messages for two days, what's very unusual. Could you please tell me if there's something wrong going on and why ? Indeed I can't live without the list news anymore ! Thanks for your help, Ricardo. _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
[pinhole-discussion] Fwd: Pinhole News, February 7, 2002
I apologize to subscribers to the "pinhole news" list for cross-posting this, but wanted to be sure no one missed seeing it. - Gregg from the Pinhole Diary... = New Exhibition at Pinhole Visions = [Feb 07, 2002] I am grateful to Anita Chernewski for organizing an exhibition at the Pinhole Visions web site of the artist Marcia Sheer, who died in 1989. "In the late 70's Ms. Sheer shifted her creative efforts to photography. Experimenting at first with various media from black and white to altered SX-70 Polaroid¹s, she finally decided to avoid modern equipment and mechanized printing processes, instead Ms. Sheer employed simple hand-constructed pinhole cameras and nineteenth century printing techniques to achieve images with a haunting, magical quality." - Anita Chernewski "I fantasize that I control the stream of light entering the camera through its tiny opening. This light stream gently travels around the camera's interior and I use it to paint the image onto the film with little brush-like strokes. Eventually, I control this magical light stream, will it to inscribe all the poetry and essence of what was to become a completely formed image in my camera." - Marcia C. Sheer Web Site: http://www.???/exhibits/Sheer/ (reported by: Gregg Kemp) * * * * * * For more news items on pinhole photography, visit the Pinhole Diary at: http://www.???/diary/ If you have a pinhole story of interest, please add it to the Pinhole Diary at: http://www.???/diary/?option=add Your pin pal, Gregg Kemp = Pinhole News subscribers: 450 (01-Feb-2002) Pinhole Diary archive: http://www.p at ???/diary/ To subscribe, send an email to news-list-request@p at ??? with the subject "subscribe". = _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Agradecimentos - Antes tarde do que nunc a :) (Cleber)
Hi Murray, Below is an approximate translation of Cleber's posting (courtesy of http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr ) :) - Gregg SUBJECT: Gratefulness - Better late than never Personal Hello! I was very satisfied in having received as many postcards and of diverse places from around the world. Beautiful pictures. The idea was very good. I look foward to other occasions. How about we have a self-portrait swap? It would be a way well appropriate to show our faces. Vocês does not find? I want to also thank all the ones that had sent me postcards of new year and to forgive me that they had not received mine. I wait in a next chance not to disappoint them. Debtor to all. Peace, love and many pinholes:) Cleber Falieri > -Original Message- > From: Uptown Gallery [mailto:mur...@uptowngallery.org] > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 10:45 PM > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Agradecimentos - Antes tarde do > que nunca > :) (Cleber) > > > I can't read Portugese, so I didn't know if this was intended for the > pinhole list, but I did find the word 'pinhole' at the end of Cleber's > posting...and I think Cleber is the person who has a pinhole > photo of a > T-Rex storming an urban landscape. > > I liked that one enough to save it on my desktop. > > Murray > > > ___ > Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] public shooting
Jim, Sorry for the long URL on the gallery postings. I'll work out a shorter one when I get a chance. Meanwhile, lets see if my mail program does any better: http://www.???/discussion/upload/gallery2002.php?pic=custompaints_jimk.jpg Another way to post the link is just to post the gallery URL with the name of the thumbnail like: http://www.???/discussion/upload/ click on Gallery 2002, then custompaints_jimk.jpg - Gregg At 08:59 PM 1/28/02 -0500, you wrote: in the last message the url was truncated somehow, so here's another try: to see Little Merlin with the Custom Paints label http://www.???/discussion/upload/gallery2002.php?pic=custompa ints_jimk.jpg _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
[pinhole-discussion] Monthly Reminder - an update
Hi all, Most of you are familiar with the modest list rules and policies sent out by James in the monthly reminder. This posting is an update and includes a slight revision to clarify and emphasize the importance of posting "plain text" to the list and NOT posting messages as "HTML". The revision is in the body of the reminder at the end of this message, and I'm repeating it here to be sure everyone has a chance to read it. "DO NOT POST MESSAGES IN HTML FORMAT" "Some email programs by default send email messages as HTML. The MS Outlook Express and Netscape's Communicator are often set up to send all email messages as either HTML or as two attachments, one in plain text (ASCII) and one in 'rich' text (html format). If you use these programs or any mail program that sends email as HTML, please change your setting so that your messages will be sent as plain text ONLY." I beleive most of post our messages in plain text. But, it is important that everyone ensure that you are not posting messages to the list as HTML, because these messages can become unreadable in the digest form and to anyone whose mail program does not handle HTML. HTML is for web sites, plain text is for email. If your email text has colors, bold text, italics, a font other than the one you are reading right now, then you are using HTML (also called "rich text"). Somewhere in your mail program, you should find a "preference" or "option" setting for how your messages are sent - how they are formatted. Be sure it is set to plain text. Remember that everyone can read your plain text messages, but NOT everyone can read your HTML messages. Taking a little time to check your settings will make a big difference to a number of people. Thanks to everyone for your cooperation! :) Gregg PINHOLE DISCUSSION MAILING LIST Document dated: January 28, 2002 PURPOSE OF THE LIST: The purpose of the pinhole discussion mailing list is the discussion of any and all aspects of pinhole photography. All messages sent to this list should be related to pinhole photography. THE RULES OF THE LIST: There are no specific rules for participating on this list. But everyone is reminded that list membership is a privilege, and list members are expected to treat each other with proper respect. Personal attacks or "flames" will not be tolerated and can get one banned from the list. If you encounter any problems of any kind in using the list, please notify James Kellar at ja...@kellar.com, Guy Glorieux at guy.glori...@sympatico.ca, or Gregg Kemp at gregg.kemp@p at ???. Please do not send problems you may encounter to the list. The only ones who can help you solve these problems are James, Gregg or Guy. At this time please contact Guy first, then Gregg, then James. REPLYING TO POSTINGS: Messages sent to you via the discussion list are set up to "behave" differently from messages sent to you by an individual. When you "reply" (using your email program's reply feature) to messages you receive from the list, your reply will automatically be directed back to the mailing list and NOT to the person who sent the message. The list program creates a Replyto: discussion-list@p at ??? line in the mail message header. This tells your email program to send the message back to the list rather than the person who originally sent the message. In order to send a private message back to someone who sent a message through the list by replying, you must change the To: address from pinhole-discussion@p at ??? to the individual's e-mail address. Note that if someone puts the list in the Cc: field rather than the To: field, the reply may go to the sender rather than the list. For this reason, it is ALWAYS a good idea to check who you are sending an e-mail to before sending it. DO NOT POST ATTACHMENTS Attachments are files that are attached to an email message. The email system is designed to send messages using standard ASCII character set. Attachments are a way of sending a content that uses characters outside of the ASCII standard. Attachments are not welcome on this list. They are large. They usually can only be accessed with a specific program. They can unintentionally carry viruses. A significant portion of the list is unable to use attachments. Please do not send attachments to the list. All email to the list should be send as plain text. This is the one and only standard used by all computers and all email programs. DO NOT POST MESSAGES IN HTML FORMAT Some email programs by default send email messages
Re: [pinhole-discussion] WWPD translators or is it WWPPD?
At 10:41 AM 1/26/02 -0500, you wrote: I have the name and email addresses of father and son translators in Dutch for WWPD. They are photographers and are willing to take a crack at it. Who should I send the information to? leezy please contact me directly at gregg.kemp@??? (PS: the initials are WPPD - Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day) :) Thanks, Gregg _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Silver Gem
> JK, > > Z requested us not to mention SG name and its URL in this list anymore. Z > even requested messages quoting SG be removed from the archives. If GK > hasn't done that, you may still find SG's URL there. > > GP GP & JK, I haven't found a way to delete an item from the archive, so it should still be there. :) GK
[pinhole-discussion] Help needed for next WPPD
Fellow pinholers, The work on the next pinhole day (WPPD2) is going well. Things are slowly coming together. I believe most everyone knows that the pinhole day web site (www.pinholeday.org) is multi-lingual, with most of the text on the site translated into 12 languages. Jean Daubas successfully worked with volunteers last year to do most of the translations that are on the site now. For this year, we are adding some new pages of information to the site, and will also need new translations of these materials. Many of the translators from last year have already provided translations for this year's changes. There work is very much appreciated. But we could use some additional help in some languages for the remaining words, phrases, and web pages. The translations we need are for: Dutch Polish Slovenian Swedish You can see exactly what needs to be translated by going to this url and selecting the language at the top of the page: http://www.pinholeday.org/org/translation_report.php We want this event to be as international as possible. We want pinholers from ALL AROUND the world to participate. Providing the web site in as many languages as possible is one way of ensuring that anyone wanting to participate in pinhole day will know they are welcome, that we want everyone's participation, and that everyone will find and understand how they can be a part of it. You can see for yourself how many people from so many countries have visited the web site by looking at: http://www.pinholeday.org/org/?page=stats_month We really need your help. If you speak any of these languages and would like to help, please contact me directly at gregg.kemp@???. All WPPD volunteers are listed on the pinhole day web site at: http://www.pinholeday.org/org/?page=team Thanks! Gregg _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
RE: [pinhole-discussion] photo warehouse?
I think you're right, Richard. After poking around a little, it is mostly just a "links" page (but some useful links). My apologies for that one. Gregg > -Original Message- > From: Richard M. Koolish [mailto:kool...@bbn.com] > Sent: None > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] photo warehouse? > > > > http://www.photo-warehouse.com/ > > > > > does anyone have contact info or a URL for photo warehouse? > > > > I'm not sure that's the right Photo Warehouse. > > Here's an ad for the one I'm thinking about: > > http://www.printmart.com/ads/805-485-9654.htm > > I don't think they have a web page directly. > > Their contact info (from > http://www.printchange.com/trade/aa008988.html) is: > > Photo Warehouse > P.O. Box 1427 > Oxnard California > USA 93030 > Toll Free: 800 922-LITH > Tel: 805 485-9654 > Fax: 805 988-0213 > > ___ > Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
RE: [pinhole-discussion] photo warehouse?
http://www.photo-warehouse.com/ > does anyone have contact info or a URL for photo warehouse?
RE: [pinhole-discussion] sheet film
I used trays for developing 4x5 film (Tri-X, Plus-x, and now TMAX) for years (without any scratching that I recall). But, I got to where I really hated standing in total darkness while developing (it became sort of like a deprivation chamber, without the freedom to let your mind roam). So, I got a good deal on a used Besler 10" tube and a used motor base - both for around $15. I can load up to 4 sheets in the tube at a time. At first I had trouble with the film sliding around. Someone on the list suggested using screening, so I cut a piece and put that in and it helped. I'm always careful to load the film with the emulsion side out, just to be safe. This has worked out much better for me than trays. Gregg
Re: [pinhole-discussion] polaroid pinhole kits
At 11:49 AM 1/12/02 -0800, you wrote: (forwarded from the polaroid_enthusiasts list, snipped for size) in Japan they released Polaroid pinhole camera kitsmid lastyear. http://www.polaroid.co.jp/product/business/pinhole/pinhole.html http://www.polaroid.co.jp/support/pinhole_sample.html The sepia kitis about 8000 and colour is 9000. Each include a double pack of film. They were planned to be released in the US last October for $100, but I have never seen them there. -- J.E. Patterson www.lightjunkie.org | www.luxumbradei.com Ed Levinson has tried these out. He added a story about this in the Pinhole Diary last September: http://www.???/diary/index.php?id=188 But, I've heard nothing from Polaroid since announcing a late October release of these. Gregg _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
Re: [pinhole-discussion] wwpd exhibition
Hi all, A lot of great ideas are coming in about pinhole day, and I just wanted to let you know that the WPPD coordinating team is reading them all and enjoying all the input. We are giving each comment and suggestion serious consideration and view an important part of what we do as reflecting the wishes and aspirations of the members of this list. One thing that will help us keep track of your suggestions and proposals is to also post them in the forum at the pinhole visions web site. I don't intend to discourage any discussion on the list, but for those of you with strong ideas that will help us do as good a job as possible, please also post them in the forum so that we can more easily study them and refer to them over time. The forum address is: http://www.???/forum/ and the place to post suggestions about pinhole day is in the "Pinhole Day Q&A" forum. Thanks! Gregg At 07:48 PM 1/10/02 -0500, you wrote: How about using the web like this: program the website so that a gallery, school, or just anyone could go online and view the images one at a time on a tv or computer screen, just like watching a slide show with the projector set on automatic... the user could select a length of time for viewing each slide and hit the start button... they could also enter a sequence of specific photographs... the images can loop so the show can be left on as long as needed jim k ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
[pinhole-discussion] the upload gallery
I'm sorry that some of you are having trouble getting to images in the upload gallery. The correct address for the gallery is: http://www.???/discussion/upload/ The gallery is arranged by year, starting in 2000, then 2001, and now 2002. The most reliable way to find an image in the gallery is to go to the address above, then click on the gallery year you want, such as Gallery 2002, then click on the image you want to see. Likewise, the best way (for now) to advertise your image in the gallery is to use: http://www.???/discussion/upload/ then, just separately specify the gallery year and image name, such as: gallery 2002, "bathtub_copy (Jan 01)" As I find time, I will work on simplifying the link to a specific image in the gallery, but for now I would recommend just posting the information as above. When in doubt, there is a link to the gallery, as to all areas of the discussion list, from the main page for the discussion list: http://www.???/discussion/ Gregg At 09:36 AM 1/2/02 -0800, you wrote: --- "G.Penate" wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "George L Smyth" > > > > When I go to that link, I am redirected to > http://www.p at ???/discussion/. > > Here is the direct link to B.E excellent image: > > http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/gallery2001.php?cmd=max&start=&pic= > bathtub_copy.jpg I get the following error message: Warning: Unable to open images_2001/bathtub_copy.jpg in /usr/www/users/pinhole/discussion/upload/nailcut.php on line 155 Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://members.home.net/hmpi/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 12 day exposure
RIght you are. I just set up a 2002 upload gallery, and moved Bill Erickson's photo into it as the first one of the year. http://www.???/discussion/upload/ (select Gallery 2002, then the image) Gregg At 08:29 PM 1/1/02 -0800, you wrote: Time to start a 2002 page. Happy New Year. Richard Heather Bill Erickson wrote: > http://www.???/discussion/upload/bathtub_copy.jpg This > is the result of a twelve day exposure of a bathroom in a nineteenth > century state psychiatric hospital building. Newly admitted patients > were stripped and scrubbed here before they were allowed onto the > ward. I like to think that the glow of light over the tub represents > the ghosts of all those unhappy people. _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
[pinhole-discussion] Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Best wishes to everyone as we wind down another year on planet Earth. Its a pleasure being a part of our pinhole "family", and thanks to everyone for sharing your ideas, knowledge, feelings, humor, or just your presence on the list. Here's to a happy new year to everyone... http://www.???/discussion/upload/gallery2001.php (gregg_kemp_angel) Gregg _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
Re: [pinhole-discussion] request for off-list discussion of pinhole view camera with homebrew lens optionlens
Murray, you might also try the camera makers list for info - http://rmp.opusis.com/mailman/listinfo/cameramakers Gregg At 02:04 AM 12/21/01 -0500, you wrote: Hello: Excuse the partial diversion from pinhole - I am thinking about what to do with an 18" x 24" bellows I picked up - definitely pinhole first, but I would like to have the option of experiementing with a lens - and the only affordable way would be a homebrew lens. Is there anyone here who has any experience with simple 2-element lenses with insertable Waterhouse stops willing email off list about some of the basics of such a camera? Thanks Murray ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: encoding
Thanks for the feedback, Diana. I'm sorry the digest does not convert everything to plain text better. And yes, you are right that the real problem is preventing people from sending rich text to begin with. With the old list, I was able to block that, but with the current list server, I can't. This comes up periodically, and I'll remind people now to please send all messages to the list as "plain text", not as "html" or "rich text". Most email programs have an option setting for "plain text" and that is how you should post to the list. It is inconsiderate to many list members to send messages they cannot read very easily because they are (unintentionally) sent encoded as HTML. If you are using italics, bold, and colors, anything other than plain text in your email, your mail program will send this out as HTML, not plain text. To many people it will look fine, to many others it will look like gibberish. Please be a good list citizen and ensure you are posting and replying to the list using "plain text". If you are not sure how to find out, ask someone you know who understands computers and email and can look at your mail program and show you how to know the difference. It will make a lot of people a little happier. thanks, Gregg At 09:21 AM 12/20/01 -0500, you wrote: > Hi Gregg, You can change that setting to "plain text," which is what I have, but it doesn't always help. I get this markup constantly, so changing the setting won't get rid of all of it. (Someone who lives in this house told me that a message that was created as "multipart/alternative" gets included in the digest as a single large chunk of text.) Whew! Hope that helps. --Diana > > Chris, you're in luck. To receive the digest as "plain" text, > > Go to your member configuration page at: > > http://www.???/discussion/members.php > > Enter your email address to log in. > > At the bottom of the page, you'll see "Your Pinhole-Discussion Subscription > Options", and the option "Get MIME or Plain Text Digests?". > > Set the option to "Plain Text", enter your password at the bottom of the > page, and submit the form. > > That should take care of the problem. > > Gregg > > At 10:05 PM 12/18/01 -0600, you wrote: > >Is there any way to remove the encoding I get in the digest messages? I'm > >using Outlook 98 with Windows 98. I get a lot of > >etc. in many of the messages. Can I change settings? Thanks > > > >Chris ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Film Holders, Paper Negs and No Worries
> -Original Message- > From: ethereal art [mailto:ethereal...@mindspring.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 8:54 AM > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Film Holders, Paper Negs and No Worries > >Gregg Kemp wrote: > > > >> I've loaded paper in 4x5 film holders, and found it tends > to wrinkle up, > because of its thickness. It can be done, but you may loose > some paper > trying to do it. > >> > >> Gregg > > > I think you are "holding your mouth wrong" when you load your paper > negatives. I use single-weight paper in my film holder > constantly and I have > never had a problem with crunching paper. Sweaty > palms?..sticky fingers? I > use 4x5 paper...cut to 4x5...and it fits fine in the 4x5 film holders. > > Of course, now that I have said this.sigh. I will have to > go try this > again and be prepared for problems. B-) > Rosanne Maybe it was the sticky bubble gum wrapper that kept wrinkling up(?) :) I believe I was using Ilford multi-contrast RC paper (a bit thicker than your well-chosen single weight), hand cut to size. And I suspect I do hold my mouth wrong a lot of the time. So any of these may have led to my frequent paper jams. Gregg
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Encoding
Chris, you're in luck. To receive the digest as "plain" text, Go to your member configuration page at: http://www.???/discussion/members.php Enter your email address to log in. At the bottom of the page, you'll see "Your Pinhole-Discussion Subscription Options", and the option "Get MIME or Plain Text Digests?". Set the option to "Plain Text", enter your password at the bottom of the page, and submit the form. That should take care of the problem. Gregg At 10:05 PM 12/18/01 -0600, you wrote: Is there any way to remove the encoding I get in the digest messages? I'm using Outlook 98 with Windows 98. I get a lot of etc. in many of the messages. Can I change settings? Thanks Chris ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Will paper work in 4x5 film holder?
I've loaded paper in 4x5 film holders, and found it tends to wrinkle up, because of its thickness. It can be done, but you may loose some paper trying to do it. Gregg > -Original Message- > From: Jeff Dilcher [mailto:r...@hiddenworld.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:39 AM > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Will paper work in 4x5 film holder? > > > > I wonder if 4x5 enlarging paper will fit exactly in > the sheet film holders? > > They should, but I haven't tried... > > -Jeff > > > On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Andy Schmitt wrote: > > > Why not? As long as you cut it the right side & put the > emulsion facing out > > ( 80) ) > > it should be a very good method for holding it. > > andy > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
[pinhole-discussion] The list is fine
At 01:50 PM 12/18/01 +0100, you wrote: The list seems to work, I keep getting test messages ... could somebody explain what the problem is? The list was down for a few hours yesterday, but is now fine. I posted a test message to the list last night to ensure it was working again. Sorry about the replies to my posting - but, that's out of my control. Happy holidays to everyone! :) Gregg _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
[pinhole-discussion] test message, please ignore
Just testing the list server.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] attachment sizes
Try setting your dpi at 72 and your jpeg compression at around 60%. Gregg > -Original Message- > From: ragowaring [mailto:ragowar...@btinternet.com] > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 4:03 PM > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] attachment sizes > > > Dear Guy > > I would like to start posting pictures on the upload gallery. > It says to > make the files no larger than 50K. When I prepare a jpeg > this size it comes > out very small on the screen. What can I do? A 9 x 9cm > image comes out at > around 190K. > > Alexis > > on 15/11/01 1:05 am, Guy Glorieux at guy.glori...@sympatico.ca wrote: > > > Thanks James, > > > > Very nice picture, indeed. > > > > I'd like to see more, but just a quick reminder not to post > attachments on the > > list. You're best seen if you use the "upload" gallery of > the Pinhole Visions > > site. Check the Discussion area at > > http://www.???/discussion/ > > then click on the "upload" gallery and it will take you there! > > > > Best wishes for more pictures with the Zero 4x5 and your > 6x12 rollfilm holder. > > > > ...-:)) > > > > Guy > > > > jamesromeo wrote: > > > >> on 11/14/01 5:05 PM, jamesromeo at jamesro...@mac.com wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> taken with the new 4x5 zero 25mm pinhole with horseman > 6x12 roll film > >>> holderI got about 2 weeks ago only 10 dayes from order > nice little camera > >>> James > >>> > >> > > > > > > ___ > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > http://www.???/discussion/ > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Anyone seen any interesting work lately?
At 09:53 PM 11/30/01 -0500, you wrote: oh sure ! " at home in france " aliance francaise in n.y.see pinhole news non.25-01 What did you think of that show, Mickey? I'd like to hear about it. - Gregg _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
Re: [pinhole-discussion] A final thought about reciprocity failure with paper negs.
At 06:34 AM 11/30/01 -0600, you wrote: The more I thought about this the more I realized that, with very long exposures, the risk of overexposure is lessened by reciprocity failure, and the longer the exposure, the less the overexposure risk. In essence, it is far easier to fatally underexpose than fatally overexpose, and far more efficient to overexpose and then work backward from that than vice versa. In the context of low light, long exposures, that pretty much reflects my attitude. In the case of natural light, the light can become a moving target. An exposure started late in the day is getting less light as you move into the evening. Even if I take a light meter reading that tells me I need an hour exposure, I know that there will be much less light in an hour, so I just let it go until I finish dinner, or remember close the shutter - maybe 4 hours, maybe all night. If I don't think I got enough light from the time I began until dark, maybe I'll let it go into the morning light for a "while". I don't think much about reciprocity effect. But then, a lot of my exposures don't come out. And that's ok, too. I learn new things or get new ideas from the failures as well as successes. Precise calculations can be useful, but exploration can be more interesting. :) Gregg _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
RE: [pinhole-discussion] reciprocity failure of paper negs.
> -Original Message- > From: Bill Erickson [mailto:erick...@hickorytech.net] > > I get the message. More is better, but don't forget to go to bed. > Actually, going to bed is ok - just remember to wake up. Here's a wonderful example: http://www.pinholeday.org/2001/photo_63.html :) Gregg - Original Message - From: Guy Glorieux To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] reciprocity failure of paper negs. Bill Erickson wrote: I'm planning an image of a dark corner in an old building. The exposure calculates out to about five days with a paper negative. At what exposure time does one begin to run into reciprocity failure with paper, and what are the parameters? Bill, I wrote a little piec last year entitled "Reciprocity Nightmare" which may be relevant here and which went as follows (hope it is of help): "I had a dream... It was a dark, lonely night and I was out with my 8x10 PH camera. The New Moon was further darkened by an incredibly rare simultaneous eclipse of the sun and the moon. I could barely see my hands and feet as I walked to the scene I was about to shoot for that winning picture for the First International Nocturne Pinhole Exhibition. Ten times before leaving I had checked that my film holders were fully loaded with film. A single word kept swirling in my mind:r e c i p r o c i t y I must not fail, I must not fail, I kept repeting to myself in the darkness of the darkest forest. Formulas kept poping up in my mind: 10% compound; one-over-the square-root of the inverse of the sunny-16 times three times the speed of my film; add twice the diameter of my pinhole divided by the focal length of my camera to the exposure time estimated for the 3rd f-stop on my right and multiply the cosinus by the coefficient of uncertainty... I knew I could do it. How could I fail with all this simple mathematics so well spelled out on The list. Something tryied to grab me in the dark. I gave it a sharp blow and the thing went blonk. Nothing could stop me from winning the top prize of the Nocturne Pinhole Exhibition at Pinhole Vision. Finally I reached the scene. It was a wonderful landscape I had spotted two days ago after hours of walk in the country side. I set the camera on the tripod. The temperature was a chilling 25 below freezing but I was well covered for a long wait. With my flashlight, I carefully read the spotmeter's reading and worked out the reciprocity factor on my PDA. 258 hours, 64 minutes and 12 seconds... Hmmm... Add a couple hours, just to make sure... It was just that simple! I knew I could do it. But, rats, I suddenly realized that the final deadline for submitting the print was tomorrow with an exposure time of well over 10 days. I forgot to factor that into my equation... -:(( Guy Glorieux
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Upper Midwest Pinhole Get-together - Wow
Tom - sounds like you guys had an exciting time - an impressive gathering and program. Thanks for letting us know how things turned out. Gregg > -Original Message- > From: Tom Miller [mailto:twmil...@mr.net] > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 10:47 AM > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Upper Midwest Pinhole Get-together - Wow > > > Dear All, > > Bill Erickson and I would like to thank all who participated in > yesterday's "Pinhole: Informal Forum," also known as the "Upper > Midwest Pinhole Get-together," at the pARTs Photographic Arts Gallery > in Minneapolis. The event was a success and an inspiration for both > presenters and attendees. Also thanks to Gregg Kemp for providing > internet space on his site and in the "Pinhole Visions" for the for > forum announcement. > > Chris Faust presented work from a series he created about ten years > ago that placed pinhole cameras in the perspective of a child and > viewed the world from this playful vantage point. His work included > an 360-degree, 18 foot long print taken from the inside of a playpen > by a Cirkut camera fitted with a zone plate. This image is also in > Pinhole Journal, vol 12 #3. List member Eric Nelson discussed how he > incorporates pinhole photography into his junior high art classes. He > also showed several of his own and his students' images. Derrick > Burbul, from the University of Minnesota, Duluth, showed his > multi-pinhole camera that takes five 4x5 exposures at once, as well as > images made with the camera. John Campbell > (http://www.pinholeday.org/2001/photo_79.html) showed his work done > mostly with pinholes mounted on Leicas and also on a Nikon digital > camera. Andrew Kamin (www.pinholeplanet.com) demonstrated his > prototype dual focal length 4x5 camera and showed several > transparancies made with this camera. Bill Erickson presented several > platinum prints and a cyanotype from recent travel to Ireland. > Attendees who stayed for the question/answer/network session saw some > of my dual-slit color photos from the Iconclast series. > > The pARTs Gallery staff was excited by the enthusiastic turnout. I'll > be working with them on the possibility of having pARTs be a local / > regional center for next year's Pinhole Day. > > Tom Miller > > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] digital pinhole cameras
I played around with a Barbie digital camera a couple of years ago as an inexpensive way to experiment. I found my posting and a number of others relating to digital pinhole in the archives: http://www.p at ???/discussion/1999/msg02415.html Gregg At 06:00 AM 11/4/01 -0600, you wrote: There was a string of comments and a picture quite a while ago, either here or in the cameramakers discussion group, about usng a digital camera intended for Barbie dolls as a pinhole. I don't see any reason not to try it. If you have access to a back, it shouldn't act any different than a lens setup in biright light, at least. Who knows how it would act with very long exposures. not well, i suspect. - Original Message - From: "Jack Duganne" To: Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 9:55 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] digital pinhole cameras > Greetings! > > Has anyone seen tutorials or articles relating to making digital pinhole > cameras or at least using a digital camera/digital back to create pinhole > pictures? > > Thank you, > > Jack Duganne > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ > ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Cool News
That's great, Rosanne. Pinhole sweeps the fair! Really nice going. Gregg At 08:31 PM 11/3/01 -0500, you wrote: Hello Ladies and Gentlemen of the List. I have to tell you some FUN news. The annual Fair here in Augusta, Georgia, USA has opened. Along with the rides, exhibits and smells of food, they have an art and photography exhibit/contest. My students entered a total of 47 photos, some were pinhole, and they won all the categories up to Best in Show with my 12th grader. I won several awards as well, including Best in Show with a pinhole photograph. Rosanne ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Philip Arny
I'm guessing first contact... either an alien life form or the first cries from an artificial intelligence. Hold on, Philip - we are trying to reach you! Actually, I think he has an autoresponder set to reply to any message he receives. I had to unsubscribe him. Hopefully, he'll come home from work, find out what has happened, and be in touch. Gregg > He's also sending blank msgs to the cameramakers list, also > > and lots of them! > > Guillermo >
[pinhole-discussion] cat on the keyboard?
I've written him for more information, but in the meantime I've blocked him from posting to the list. Pretty strange... Gregg > -Original Message- > From: TSHACK [mailto:tsh...@silver-bayou.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:33 PM > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] f stops > > > His messages to me directly are blank also. > > > - Original Message - > From: Gregg Kemp > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 10:02 AM > Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] f stops > > > > I wrote to Philip asking if he was having a problem with > his mail and if I > could help. I haven't gotten a reply, but noticed he > continues to send > empty messages. > > > > Maybe it's Philip's cat playing with the keyboard(?)
RE: [pinhole-discussion] f stops
I wrote to Philip asking if he was having a problem with his mail and if I could help. I haven't gotten a reply, but noticed he continues to send empty messages. Maybe it's Philip's cat playing with the keyboard(?) Gregg > -Original Message- > From: TSHACK [mailto:tsh...@silver-bayou.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 12:54 PM > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] f stops > > > All of Phil's messages are blank. Just testing to see if > mine will be. > > > - Original Message - > From: Philip Arny > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:11 AM > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] f stops > > > > > > ___ > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > http://www.???/discussion/ > > > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
[pinhole-discussion] 2nd annual pinhole day planning is underway
Hi all, As we approach the end of 2001, plans are already underway for next year's "pinhole day". The 2nd annual "Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day" will be held on April 28, 2002. The "coordinating team" for WPPD2 consists of Guy Glorieux, Jean Daubas, Edward Levinson, Zernike Au, Rosanne Stutts, and myself. Diana Bloomfield will also continue as the WPPD "support" person. We only just formed as a team the past few days and are now in the process of identifying what is to be done. But, we would like your input in helping us evaluate the first "pinhole day" held this past spring, and also hear your suggestions for the upcoming WPPD2. To help us in this, please use the "Pinhole Day Feedback" forum, set up just for this purpose at: http://www.???/forum/ In the forum, you can add your comments or respond to others' comments. We really need your input to help make WPPD2 as big a success as the last one. The web site for "pinhole day" is http://www.pinholeday.org/ We will be updating the web site with new information as things evolve. Meanwhile, you can continue to enjoy the 1st WPPD by clicking on the "Gallery" link from the top menu. For those of you who have joined the list since the first pinhole day, held on April 29th of this year, WPPD is an event that originated on the pinhole discussion list and was carried out with the help of many volunteers from the list. We look forward to hearing from everyone - see you in the forum! Gregg
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Micro or macro photo with pinhole photo
Guillermo, thanks! I've never been satisfied with a photo taken with the subject less than distance of the focal length. I had just assumed it couldn't be done. I'll have to revisit this some time. Gregg At 10:35 AM 10/28/01 -0500, you wrote: - Original Message ----- From: "Gregg Kemp" > Guillermo, I don't remember ever seeing your correction formula before. Is > that theoretical, or have you tested it? Theoretical, Gregg, as I haven't done any close up work myself. For those (few) people interested in were that correction factor comes from, here it is: ** Pinhole is in most ways, not different than glass lens photography. The lens conjugate equation is: 1 / F = 1 / I + 1 / O where I = distance pinhole to Image plane; F = Focal length and O = distance pinhole to Object being photographed. We can simplify that to: F = I x O / I + O When the Object being photographed is at infinity ( O = infinity ): I + O = O therefore the formula F = I x O / I + O becomes: F = I x O / O and that becomes F = I In other words, when the Object is far away (more than 10 times the distance pinhole to film, in practical terms), the Focal length of the camera is equal to the distance pinhole to film plane. Now, when the Object being photographed is close to the pinhole lens (less than 10 times the distance pinhole to film, in practical terms), the Focal length of the camera is given by (as I stated above): F = I x O / I + O For close up work, then, "F" has to be substituted (in any of the formulas for optimum pinhole size) by: I x O / I + O For instance, the formula I use is: D = 0.0073 x SQRT( F ) where D = pinhole diameter in inches; F=pinhole camera focal length and SQRT stands for square root of For close up work that formula becomes: D = 0.0073 x SQRT( I x O / I + O ) As I said before, F = I for infinity, therefore I can write the infinity formula as D = 0.0073 x SQRT( I ) Base on that, I can also rewrite the close-up formula as: D = 0.0073 x SQRT( I ) x SQRT ( O / I + O ) There you have the correction factor: SQRT ( O / I + O ) BTW, there are many formulas for optimum pinhole size but all have within them "SQRT(F)", therefore, the above correction factor should apply fine to all of them. Let's see an example: Our pinhole camera has a distance pinhole to film I = 8" and the Object being photographed is O = 12" away from the pinhole, what size of pinhole is the optimum to use: The optimum pinhole size for infinity is: D = 0.0073 x SQRT ( 8 ) D = 0.020" (aprox) Correction factor is: SQRT ( 12 / 8 + 12 ) Correction factor is: 0.774 Pinhole size for close up work (object 12" from pinhole lens) D = 0.020" * 0.774 D = 0.0155" BTW, all the above is nothing but a sort of "bellows" correction. For people with mathfobia but that have read this msg up to this point, here are some corrections factor based on how many times the camera "pinhole-film" distance the object is away from the pinhole lens: less than 10 times => correction factor = 0.95 less than 9 times => correction factor = 0.94 less than 8 times => correction factor = 0.94 less than 7 times => correction factor = 0.93 less than 6 times => correction factor = 0.92 less than 5 times => correction factor = 0.91 less than 4 times => correction factor = 0.89 less than 3 times => correction factor = 0.86 less than 2 times => correction factor = 0.81 less than 1 times => correction factor = 0.70 less than 0.5 times => correction factor = 0.57 Another couple of formulas than may help the original's question poster are: Magnification M = I / O Therefore the Correction factor can also be written as: Correction factor = SQRT [ 1 / (M+1) ] So for instance, if she wanted to photograph an object 2" tall with a camera having 8" between pinhole and film and get a magnification of 2X, she will need to position the object at a distance: O = I / M = 8 / 2 = 4" O = 4 inches and the pinhole size (diameter) should be: D = 0.0073 SQRT(8) * SQRT[ 1 / (2+1)] D = 0.012" The image size will be 4" and therefore the minimum format size needed is 4x5 (portrait) or perhaps -better- 5x7" to allow for some cropping. Guillermo ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Micro or macro photo with pinhole photo
At 05:26 PM 10/27/01 -0400, you wrote: For close up work just multiply your optimum pinhole size, obtained with any of the formulas available out there, by the "correction factor": Correction factor = SQRT ( O / I + O ) where O = distance pinhole lens to object being photographed and I = distance pinhole lens to film SQRT stands for square root of Guillermo Guillermo, I don't remember ever seeing your correction formula before. Is that theoretical, or have you tested it? Gregg _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Blind photographer
> -Original Message- > From: Joao Ribeiro [mailto:jribe...@greco.com.br] > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 12:27 PM > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Blind photographer > > > Hi Guy, > > > > ... not just in the field of > > commercial/advertising where the photographer's role has > essentially been > > reduced to shooting "exactly" the mental image of the art director. > > > > Think of the word "Pre-visualization" that pervades all the > Photo-101 or Zone > > System textbooks. Pre-visualization implies that you have > a mental image of > > what it is that you'd like to see on your negative/positive. > > You see, pre-visualization is something a professional > photographer has to use in > order to get what is wanted from the picture he is selling. > In my professional work, > I am selling something that does not exist yet, someone is > trusting in my ability in > produce it. > When I shoot for fun, either pinhole, zone plate or whatever > I am doing (I'm getting > pretty found of old cameras w.o. a light meter), I am trying > more and more to be > like a random shooter. I really want the images I get to > surprise me. I have a > primary intention when pointing the camera to something, but > leave a very broad > possibilities for what might come from that. > Maybe I'm just tired of the commercial work :) > > Cheers > > Joao > I like this latter approach also, Joao. Placing a camera in places otherwise inaccessible to the photographer or attached to things in motion, is a way to create an image without much of a preconceived idea of what the resulting image will be - seeing the negative and print can be a pleasant surprise. - Gregg
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Subject Line on the Received Messages
Like many others, I also use the [pinhole-discussion] as a way of filtering my email messages and routing list messages directly into my pinhole-discussion mail box. I appreciate that it would present a problem to many people if it were removed. Likewise, changing it would also be disruptive to people who use it to filter their mail and who would have to change their filters to the new [list name]. By way of explanation, "pinhole-discussion" is the name the list server (computer) knows us by. We send our email to pinhole-discussion@p at ???. The pinhole-discussion list is one of two pinhole lists sent from this server (the other is the pinhole "news" at http://???/diary/mailRequest.html) and also one of many lists of all kinds sent at this server. In a list of all lists from the server, our list shows up as "pinhole-discussion". I like to keep things simple and honest and that's why I used the actual name of the list as the [list name] in the subject when setting up the list. Technically, it is very easy to change. But it would impact a number of members. Unless there is a compelling need to change it and general agreement among members, I don't think we should change it. Gregg At 07:07 PM 10/6/01 -0300, you wrote: Dear Gregg, What do you think of the idea of removing "[pinhole-discussion]" from the subject line we receive identifying the message, so that we could have more useful space for using with the subject ? We don't need this reminder to know we are on the pinhole discussion list: we know we are at it; on the other hand, this little line is a precious space we have to write and read the subject at almost full length. Also it wouldn't anymore tire the eyes seeing "[pinhole-discussion]" repeated from up to the bottom of the monitor screen. Another way would be using only the word "[pinhole]" or, better yet just "[p-d]", if any kind of identication is needed, freeing the space for the subject itself. What do you think ? Well, it's only an idea. I'm very happy to be on the list and it's being very helpful to me. Thank you very much for all the wonderful job you're doing. Ricardo. P.S.: It would be interesting to know what the other list members think about it. _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Chritmas card swap: Let's all go to the PV's Discussion Forum
> To go to the Discussion Forum, just got to > http://www.???/forum/index.php > and click on the heading "Christmas Card Swap". I have > posted a message > which I hope will help focus the discussion. > > You may have to register to enter the Discussion Forum area but the > procedure should be straightforward. I set it up so that anyone can read the postings without registering. You'll only need to register if you post a message to the forum. Let me know if you want that changed to allow anyone to post. Gregg
