Re: [PEDA] round PCB?
isn't that amazing? (no pcb) a while back i opened up a 3 port DB25 switch box no pcb! all the 25 wires of 3 DBs were hand soldered to a huge rotary switch that's 150 connections they go for about $5 in a painted steel box scary BTW, all the wires were white! Dennis Saputelli Don Ingram wrote: > > We did a heap of them for a while for use in LED traffic lights. The > circular profile was a series of small segments of track which had been > generated by rotating a single track segment in an array placement. > > Folk law suggests avoiding the use of arcs for edges ( can't remember why > anymore, just don't use them ;-) An earlier version also used rotated > strings of leds as well. > > Unfortunately one of the big guys started selling units which were hand > assembled in a 3rd world country with twisted LED legs ( no PCB at all ). > The price was below what was sustainable for us so we got out. > > Cheers > > Don > -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: CLIENT99SE caused an invalid page fault in module at 0000:01000001.
You can open them with Access but it is not all that useful. The Access database structure is only used for the high level, hierarchical document tree as seen in the "Explorer" tab of Protel Design Manager panel. The contents of the individual design databases (PCB layout, Schematic, etc.) are stored as data "Blobs" in proprietary binary format. The .ddb file is password protected. The password was previously revealed by someone in this forum as: "Manteghulteir". I do not know if this is the current password. John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > speaking of DDBs, has anyone ever figured out how to open them with Access? > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] round PCB?
Ivan, I have only one comment on a circular board design. I did two in the last few months. The board wizard works great. However, if you need to cut out an insert Protel may not see the keep out area closed as closed with respect to the 3D viewer. You will observe a square board. I think this has to do with the insane rounding within Protel. I have not had a copy of a 3D add on, but working with my mechanical designer it would surely save time in translating packaging issues. As for soldering, we have nothing automated here so I cannot comment. As for Mira's PCAD imports, I have seen alot of text rotation with the schematic editor. With respect to the artwork, information can be dropped I think this is mainly do to planes. Nets also get renamed, thus breaking the link between the board and the schematic, in my memory. For the record, I loath PCAD. Unneeded business, over cumbersome library management, pristine net lists are mandatory to start a board development and added to that, *no* global editing. Quite simply put, E-GAD. I wish the XP auto router would be beta to use only users soon. I have a design with nearly 1000 components and no Spectra. Waahh. Fabe -Original Message- From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 6:28 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] round PCB? Hello, all: A customer asked us to design a round (circular) PCB for them. We have never designed a round PCB before. Any special Protel techniques, tips, or gotchas we should know about before starting? It is not a high-tech board, single sided only, TH for wave solder assembly, to be manually routed. In fact, net-connected polygons or fills will be used for most of the board copper area, due to heat dissipation requirements. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] round PCB?
We did a heap of them for a while for use in LED traffic lights. The circular profile was a series of small segments of track which had been generated by rotating a single track segment in an array placement. Folk law suggests avoiding the use of arcs for edges ( can't remember why anymore, just don't use them ;-) An earlier version also used rotated strings of leds as well. Unfortunately one of the big guys started selling units which were hand assembled in a 3rd world country with twisted LED legs ( no PCB at all ). The price was below what was sustainable for us so we got out. Cheers Don * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] round PCB?
given that it is manually routed then there are no big issues we have done them without problems (as you may know if you were to use the autorouter it won't see the arc formed boundary) draw 2 concentric circles 125 or 093 (router bit size) different in size and hold the bd to a rectangular shape with 2 or more tabs for wave surfing put a few little holes in the tabs to singulate the board from it's carrier depending on what you are doing with it you may need to clean up the break away areas Dennis Saputelli Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: > > Hello, all: > > A customer asked us to design a round (circular) PCB for them. We have > never designed a round PCB before. Any special Protel techniques, tips, or > gotchas we should know about before starting? It is not a high-tech board, > single sided only, TH for wave solder assembly, to be manually routed. In > fact, net-connected polygons or fills will be used for most of the board > copper area, due to heat dissipation requirements. > > Best regards, > Ivan Baggett > Bagotronix Inc. > website: www.bagotronix.com -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] round PCB?
We used to do one - punch and return. Got a panel, stuffed, waved, then just pop out. I didn't do the board, just saw the result. -Original Message- From: Jeff Stout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 2:55 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] round PCB? I'm trying to imagine a 'round board going through a wave soldering machine. Jeff Stout - Original Message - From: "Bagotronix Tech Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 3:57 PM Subject: [PEDA] round PCB? > Hello, all: > > A customer asked us to design a round (circular) PCB for them. We have > never designed a round PCB before. Any special Protel techniques, tips, or > gotchas we should know about before starting? It is not a high-tech board, > single sided only, TH for wave solder assembly, to be manually routed. In > fact, net-connected polygons or fills will be used for most of the board > copper area, due to heat dissipation requirements. > > Best regards, > Ivan Baggett > Bagotronix Inc. > website: www.bagotronix.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] round PCB?
Jeff: While you're at it, try to imagine soldering a wave. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: "Jeff Stout" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] round PCB? > I'm trying to imagine a 'round board going through a wave > soldering machine. > > Jeff Stout > > - Original Message - > From: "Bagotronix Tech Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 3:57 PM > Subject: [PEDA] round PCB? > > > > Hello, all: > > > > A customer asked us to design a round (circular) PCB for them. We have > > never designed a round PCB before. Any special Protel techniques, tips, > or > > gotchas we should know about before starting? It is not a high-tech > board, > > single sided only, TH for wave solder assembly, to be manually routed. In > > fact, net-connected polygons or fills will be used for most of the board > > copper area, due to heat dissipation requirements. > > > > Best regards, > > Ivan Baggett > > Bagotronix Inc. > > website: www.bagotronix.com > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] round PCB?
I'm trying to imagine a 'round board going through a wave soldering machine. Jeff Stout - Original Message - From: "Bagotronix Tech Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 3:57 PM Subject: [PEDA] round PCB? > Hello, all: > > A customer asked us to design a round (circular) PCB for them. We have > never designed a round PCB before. Any special Protel techniques, tips, or > gotchas we should know about before starting? It is not a high-tech board, > single sided only, TH for wave solder assembly, to be manually routed. In > fact, net-connected polygons or fills will be used for most of the board > copper area, due to heat dissipation requirements. > > Best regards, > Ivan Baggett > Bagotronix Inc. > website: www.bagotronix.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Sheet numbers
I think, make sure no duplicate desinator by using error checking(in tools menu). And using annotion(in tools). Choose option: re-desinate ? parts and mark(check) update sheet numbers. Or you can un-check duplicate sheet number in error checking menu.. > -Original Message- > From: Back, Norb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 11:50 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [PEDA] Sheet numbers > Importance: High > Sensitivity: Private > > > Hi All > > How do I get rid of the error message, Duplicate sheet numbers 0 C400.Prj > and C400-1.sch > to C400-11.Sch > Duplicate sheet numbers 0 C400-1.sch and C400-2.Sch > > Or how do I give the sheets in the project numbers > > Thanks > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Sheet numbers
> Or how do I give the sheets in the project numbers Use the Anotate function (Tools- Annotate menu item) and tell it to Update Sheet Numbers Only in the first combo box, or manually go into the sheet options (Design-Options menu item) dialog box and change the sheet number on the Organization tab. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Sheet numbers
Options menu, Document Options item, the sheet number setting is on the Organization tab. Hope this helps, Paul > -Original Message- > From: Back, Norb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 2:50 PM > Subject: [PEDA] Sheet numbers > > Hi All > > How do I get rid of the error message, Duplicate sheet numbers 0 > C400.Prj > and C400-1.sch > to C400-11.Sch > Duplicate sheet numbers 0 C400-1.sch and C400-2.Sch > > Or how do I give the sheets in the project numbers * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: CLIENT99SE caused an invalid page fault in module at 0000:01000001.
speaking of DDBs, has anyone ever figured out how to open them with Access? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] round PCB?
Hello, all: A customer asked us to design a round (circular) PCB for them. We have never designed a round PCB before. Any special Protel techniques, tips, or gotchas we should know about before starting? It is not a high-tech board, single sided only, TH for wave solder assembly, to be manually routed. In fact, net-connected polygons or fills will be used for most of the board copper area, due to heat dissipation requirements. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Sheet numbers
Norb, not sure on this but it could possibly be your choice of sheet names. Try a sheet name that doesn't include the "-1" or "-2". I believe that I have seen similar naming issues elsewhere within Protel when I used names with hyphens in them. Protel doesn't seem to handle such naming very graciously. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com Visit us at Booth 2G2-09 at CommunicAsia 2002 in Singapore June 18-21. -Original Message- From: Back, Norb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 11:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] Sheet numbers Importance: High Hi All How do I get rid of the error message, Duplicate sheet numbers 0 C400.Prj and C400-1.sch to C400-11.Sch Duplicate sheet numbers 0 C400-1.sch and C400-2.Sch Or how do I give the sheets in the project numbers Thanks * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] deleting a string
Abd ul-Rahman, you're jumping into the middle of a string without understanding what is being discussed again. Mira is trying to import PCAD files and these strings are some remnant of the failed PCAD import. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com Visit us at Booth 2G2-09 at CommunicAsia 2002 in Singapore June 18-21. -Original Message- From: Abd ulRahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 10:31 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] deleting a string This is a clue. These 'strings' are the result of gerber import (or DXF import), since drill chart strings are not displayed in the PCB editor. They are not strings, they are free track which look like strings. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Sheet numbers
Re: [PEDA] deleting a string
At 02:00 AM 5/10/2002 -0700, Mira wrote: >Ian, > >I use S-A and everything is selected. No hidden >layers. >Even though the strings on all layers could not be >deleted. >The strings are definitely selected and could be >moved. >E-D doesn't work. S-A selects everything. I checked >this on all layers. E-L clears the selection but in >fact it's still there after I refresh. Presumably Design/Options/Layers/All On has been pushed. >All these strings used to be text dimensions, board >layer names (free text), and text in the drill charts. >All selected primitives could be deleted but the text >- not. >These strings could be selected as "free primitives" >as well. So, I presume they are free, unlocked. This is a clue. These 'strings' are the result of gerber import (or DXF import), since drill chart strings are not displayed in the PCB editor. They are not strings, they are free track which look like strings. Unstated was whether or not they are locked. In my opinion, Protel should simply not delete any locked primitive until it is unlocked, but instead it queries the user, who only has two choices: delete them or abort the command. It would be useful, sometimes, to be able to delete everything but what is locked. As the matter is, one would have to do global edits to turn off selection for everything that was locked But that is probably not the problem here, or Mira would have told us about the "locked" message. >I just can't get rid of them. You can get rid of *anything* by saving as ASCII and deleting its records. I'd think that would be reasonably safe to do; but always make a backup when attempting to edit the ASCII. But it might be simpler to select everything except the lines and copy *that* into a new PCB file. I'd also ask where this file came from. If it is, directly, gerber import, it should be easy to edit. But if someone has, for example, made it into part of a footprint, and if there are workspace issues (something might be outside the workspace), it could get tricky. A quick check to see if anything is inside the workspace would be to select all, then pick it up with the cursor and move it. If the box that appears extends outside of the workspace, bingo. Yes, by all means, post the offending records if you can find them. You can do searches on a coordinate, that's one way, if you can find the coordinate. What do you see when you double-click on one of these lines? You could try globally editing a line that you *can* edit to unlock all lines in case lock is involved. A Protel ASCII database can be loaded in Excel by using | as the field separator. Excel, at least the version I have, will prompt the user through the load process. But saving the file would be tricky, I'd just use Excel for searching and finding and reporting, not for editing, necessarily. (Unless one edits through Spreadsheet Export, a whole different animal with its own quirks.) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] deleting a string
On 02:00 AM 10/05/2002 -0700, Mira said: >Ian, > >I use S-A and everything is selected. No hidden >layers. >Even though the strings on all layers could not be >deleted. >The strings are definitely selected and could be >moved. >E-D doesn't work. S-A selects everything. I checked >this on all layers. E-L clears the selection but in >fact it's still there after I refresh. >All these strings used to be text dimensions, board >layer names (free text), and text in the drill charts. >All selected primitives could be deleted but the text >- not. >These strings could be selected as "free primitives" >as well. So, I presume they are free, unlocked. > >I just can't get rid of them. > >Mira This sounds odd. Can you remove everything but the strings then Save-As a copy of the file as an ASCII file. Export the ASCII file and open in a text editor, or within the DDB right-click on the file and change its properties to Text Document, then dbl click to open in the text editor. The file format is fairly self-documenting. Copy one of the string lines and send to the forum, let us see what is happening. Some of us may want a copy of the file to look deeper into it. Don't forget to set the file properties back to a PCB document. Oh..have you tried saving the file and opening again? Also, sometimes saving as an ASCII file and then opening again can clear errors. try that. Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] deleting a string
Ian, I use S-A and everything is selected. No hidden layers. Even though the strings on all layers could not be deleted. The strings are definitely selected and could be moved. E-D doesn't work. S-A selects everything. I checked this on all layers. E-L clears the selection but in fact it's still there after I refresh. All these strings used to be text dimensions, board layer names (free text), and text in the drill charts. All selected primitives could be deleted but the text - not. These strings could be selected as "free primitives" as well. So, I presume they are free, unlocked. I just can't get rid of them. Mira --- Ian Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 02:52 AM 8/05/2002 -0700, Mira said: > >Hi, > > > >I hope it's not so difficult question for you. > >How do you delete strings? > > > >I tried to import a PCB and it was not very > successful > >so I selected everything and pressed ctrl+del. This > >deleted the routing pads and lines but not the > >strings. > >I deselected and selected them again. > >Again ctrl+del and they looked cleared but when I > >refresh, I still see them there (selected). > > > >Am I doing it wrong way? > > > >Thanks, > >Mira > > Mira, > > When you say "selected everything" what do you mean. > Did you use the > Select-All (S-A key shortcut) function? S-A should > select everything - > even things hidden on layers not visible. Then > Ctrl-Del *should* clear the > PCB. This is my usual method of clearing a PCB. > > Selecting things by dragging the mouse with the left > button clicked will > only fully select items that are fully visible (all > layers associated with > component for instance) (in the distant past there > used to be an option to > "select hidden" objects but I think this may have > been removed. Am I > remembering corectly? Shift-Left Click selection > will select components if > not all layers are visible, though. > > You may like to go into the Design-Options (D-O or > the older O-L short > cuts) and turn on all layers, and then retry or see > if there was stuff on > other layers that makes the reason for the > non-deletion clearer. > > Text that is associated with a component will not be > deleted unless the > component is also selected and deleted. Sometimes, > for a number of reasons, > the strings can move a long way from the component > so it is not obvious why > a string is not being selected. Text can also be > associated with > dimensions and coordinates. > > Is the text you are trying to delete free text or is > it associated with a > component, dimension or coordinate? Can you move > the string? Is the string > being selected? If unsure due to colour issues > double click the string and > see if the selection attribute is checked. > > Can you delete the string using the Edit-Delete > (E-D) function, and the > clicking on the string? > > (BTW it is possible to set up Delete functions that > will only delete > specific type of entities. Similarly this sort of > restriction can be done > to the Move command - very useful when you are > positioning designators on a > crowded board and you do not want to be prompted to > select what you want to > move. This is done by customizing the > menus/shortcuts...) > > Bye for now, > Ian Wilson > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * * * * > * To post a message: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > * > * To leave this list visit: > * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html > * > * Contact the list manager: > * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > * > * Forum Guidelines Rules: > * > http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html > * > * Browse or Search previous postings: > * > http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * * * * __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
