Re: [Quantum Owners] Pinch Bolt - Front track control arm - Saloon Mk2

[Mick L]

Any standard shoulder bolt the right size will do for balljoint also. As other 
have said a higher tensile can be a nice touch too.


From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com  on behalf 
of Jim Hearne 
Sent: 11 September 2023 17:15
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Pinch Bolt - Front track control arm - Saloon Mk2

The 2 bolts that hold the shock to the hub carrier are the only 2 special bolts 
that i know of.

Jim


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Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 4:11 PM
To: Quantum Owners Group
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Pinch Bolt - Front track control arm - Saloon Mk2

Thanks Jim.
For some reason I had in back of my mind that they were special ground tapered 
bolts ;-)
John


On Monday, 11 September 2023 at 14:12:36 UTC+1 Jim Hearne wrote:
The Ford part is Finis code 6152276
It's a 8mm x 40mm Torx head

But you can use a normal HT bolt in there with a hex or allen head , one
marked 10.9 or 12.9 would be best, they are stronger than the default 8.8
spec.
Black allen headed bolts tend to be 10.9 as a minimum.
Ideally find a bolt that has a long enough unthread section to pass through
one side of the hub and the slot in the balljoint, but obviously not to much
unthreaded so the nut bottoms out.

Jim



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Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 1:31 PM
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Subject: [Quantum Owners] Pinch Bolt - Front track control arm - Saloon Mk2

What are the correct pinch bolts for the front track control arm ball joint?
Mk2 saloon - Fiesta Mk2 XR2 base, Escort Mk4 control arms & anti roll bar.
Thanks
John

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Pinch Bolt - Front track control arm - Saloon Mk2

[Mick L]

Just standard shouldered bolts through arm to body. Camber bolts if you like in 
the shock to hub mounts.

You may find washers are needed in the cavity the arm sits to get it nice and 
tightly seated before tightening.

Mick


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Sent: 11 September 2023 15:11
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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Pinch Bolt - Front track control arm - Saloon Mk2

Thanks Jim.
For some reason I had in back of my mind that they were special ground tapered 
bolts ;-)
John


On Monday, 11 September 2023 at 14:12:36 UTC+1 Jim Hearne wrote:
The Ford part is Finis code 6152276
It's a 8mm x 40mm Torx head

But you can use a normal HT bolt in there with a hex or allen head , one
marked 10.9 or 12.9 would be best, they are stronger than the default 8.8
spec.
Black allen headed bolts tend to be 10.9 as a minimum.
Ideally find a bolt that has a long enough unthread section to pass through
one side of the hub and the slot in the balljoint, but obviously not to much
unthreaded so the nut bottoms out.

Jim



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Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 1:31 PM
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Subject: [Quantum Owners] Pinch Bolt - Front track control arm - Saloon Mk2

What are the correct pinch bolts for the front track control arm ball joint?
Mk2 saloon - Fiesta Mk2 XR2 base, Escort Mk4 control arms & anti roll bar.
Thanks
John

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

[Mick L]

To be quite frank I am starting to think of making my own mount design and 
getting it made with adjustment both ways.


From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com  on behalf 
of Jim Hearne 
Sent: 05 August 2023 11:13
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

I had a Ford RS kit for my Mk1 Fiesta that had special tie bars with a longer 
section machining so you could adjust the camber with spacing washers.

I did think of using a RS1600i or Mk3 Escort RS Turbo ( i think that was also 
adjustable but different to the RS1600i) setup on my Saloon but i think they 
were silly money even back then.
I seem to remember somebody did it, Eddie maybe.

Jim



From: Darren Siepka
Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2023 12:01 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

On the escort MK3 rs1600i they used adjustable tie bars in place of the anti 
roll bar to permit castor adjustment, with the roll bar attached back to those 
tie bars with clamps.
As our tie bars are all wiggly(highly technical term there :-) ) they might be 
tricky to modify but some custom ones may be possible if you could just shim as 
Jim suggests.

Darren

On Sat, 5 Aug 2023, 11:35 Jim Hearne,  wrote:
If you want to adjust the caster could you not put spacing washers between the 
anti roll bar / tie bar and the bush in the track control arm ?
You’d only be able to move the axle to the rear doing that so maybe the wrong 
way.

Jim


From: Mick L
Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2023 9:27 AM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

Yeah it seems to in the mount rubber work as you can hear the squelsh on grease 
I used.


From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com  on behalf 
of Jim Hearne 
Sent: 04 August 2023 20:24
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

I don't think there should be any play on the Mk1 setup.
Where is the the play ?, between the shock shaft and the bush in the top mount 
or lower down ?

I know some modern cars do have a lot of play in the top mount when the car is 
jacked up, like my Wife's Corsa, but it's by design.

Jim

On 04/08/2023 21:17, Mick L wrote:
Hi Jim,

Yeah ours has the nylon spacers on the top of the mounts already.


From: Jim Hearne mailto:j...@quantums.info
Sent: 04 August 2023 19:59
To: Mick L mailto:lawson.m...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

The build manual for the saloon says fit an extra spacer in the Mk2 top mount, 
i guess that would apply to the Mk1 top mount as well.
Needs somebody with an early saloon build manual where the donor was the Mk1 
Fiesta.
Pretty sure the toe is parallel.
I have camber adjusting bolts on my 2+2, i will see if i can find the settings 
i ended up with.

Jim


On 04/08/2023 20:48, Mick L wrote:
Hello Everyone,

The saloon is slowly coming along but the suspension has been a irritating area 
to tackle.

First and foremost are mk1 top mounts supposed to have play in them when jacked 
up? I have refurbed both ours and fitted new bearings and they still do this 
and the car doesn't have a vague feel. I've never driven it hard yet as I 
simply don't think it's ready.

Secondly does anyone have any information as regards recommended castor and 
camber/ toe in and out. Having now fitted camber bolts and having a re-tinker 
this afternoon after a rather dodgy first geometry set up.

It now seems to drive a hell of alot better. But if the mounts are not meant to 
have play in them I'm guessing it's my final suspension hurdle to get it nice 
and tight. Unfortunately the mounts are not mounted the same as on the fiesta 
so your adjustable mounts will do castor not camber as designed.

Cheers
Mick
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

[Mick L]

Our car is a mk2 and the only piece of it mk1 is the mounts so my roll bar etc 
is the fixed to arm kind from escort. It's jus one or the first few made of the 
MK2 with the mk1 mounts instead of mk2.

So for me there's no escaping it. I need to find a solution based around the 
top mount.

My castor actually looks ok but I just can't bring myself to part with £159 for 
fixed mounts from pro comp so may aswell look at the mounts that offer some 
adjustment. Best I have managed is a symmetrical -2.5 camber. I can't get any 
less with a match so camber adjustment further would have been ideal.

I have to say all these aftermarket companies have poor customer service too 
and it is really annoying as I'm biting my tongue from telling them where to 
shove it. Even pro comp simply didn't reply once I send pictures and explained 
the circular mounts may not fit They said they should fit then I said why 
they may not due to shape  and got nothing back.no easy sale move on, nice.


From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com  on behalf 
of Darren Siepka 
Sent: 05 August 2023 11:01
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

On the escort MK3 rs1600i they used adjustable tie bars in place of the anti 
roll bar to permit castor adjustment, with the roll bar attached back to those 
tie bars with clamps.
As our tie bars are all wiggly(highly technical term there :-) ) they might be 
tricky to modify but some custom ones may be possible if you could just shim as 
Jim suggests.

Darren

On Sat, 5 Aug 2023, 11:35 Jim Hearne, 
mailto:j...@quantums.info>> wrote:
If you want to adjust the caster could you not put spacing washers between the 
anti roll bar / tie bar and the bush in the track control arm ?
You’d only be able to move the axle to the rear doing that so maybe the wrong 
way.

Jim


From: Mick L
Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2023 9:27 AM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

Yeah it seems to in the mount rubber work as you can hear the squelsh on grease 
I used.


From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>> on 
behalf of Jim Hearne mailto:j...@quantums.info>>
Sent: 04 August 2023 20:24
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

I don't think there should be any play on the Mk1 setup.
Where is the the play ?, between the shock shaft and the bush in the top mount 
or lower down ?

I know some modern cars do have a lot of play in the top mount when the car is 
jacked up, like my Wife's Corsa, but it's by design.

Jim

On 04/08/2023 21:17, Mick L wrote:
Hi Jim,

Yeah ours has the nylon spacers on the top of the mounts already.


From: Jim Hearne mailto:j...@quantums.info
Sent: 04 August 2023 19:59
To: Mick L mailto:lawson.m...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

The build manual for the saloon says fit an extra spacer in the Mk2 top mount, 
i guess that would apply to the Mk1 top mount as well.
Needs somebody with an early saloon build manual where the donor was the Mk1 
Fiesta.
Pretty sure the toe is parallel.
I have camber adjusting bolts on my 2+2, i will see if i can find the settings 
i ended up with.

Jim


On 04/08/2023 20:48, Mick L wrote:
Hello Everyone,

The saloon is slowly coming along but the suspension has been a irritating area 
to tackle.

First and foremost are mk1 top mounts supposed to have play in them when jacked 
up? I have refurbed both ours and fitted new bearings and they still do this 
and the car doesn't have a vague feel. I've never driven it hard yet as I 
simply don't think it's ready.

Secondly does anyone have any information as regards recommended castor and 
camber/ toe in and out. Having now fitted camber bolts and having a re-tinker 
this afternoon after a rather dodgy first geometry set up.

It now seems to drive a hell of alot better. But if the mounts are not meant to 
have play in them I'm guessing it's my final suspension hurdle to get it nice 
and tight. Unfortunately the mounts are not mounted the same as on the fiesta 
so your adjustable mounts will do castor not camber as designed.

Cheers
Mick
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

[Mick L]

I actually only wanted camber really but I need new top mounts one way or 
another so I need to sort something asap sadly.


From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com  on behalf 
of Jim Hearne 
Sent: 05 August 2023 10:35
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

If you want to adjust the caster could you not put spacing washers between the 
anti roll bar / tie bar and the bush in the track control arm ?
You’d only be able to move the axle to the rear doing that so maybe the wrong 
way.

Jim


From: Mick L
Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2023 9:27 AM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

Yeah it seems to in the mount rubber work as you can hear the squelsh on grease 
I used.


From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com  on behalf 
of Jim Hearne 
Sent: 04 August 2023 20:24
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

I don't think there should be any play on the Mk1 setup.
Where is the the play ?, between the shock shaft and the bush in the top mount 
or lower down ?

I know some modern cars do have a lot of play in the top mount when the car is 
jacked up, like my Wife's Corsa, but it's by design.

Jim

On 04/08/2023 21:17, Mick L wrote:
Hi Jim,

Yeah ours has the nylon spacers on the top of the mounts already.


From: Jim Hearne mailto:j...@quantums.info
Sent: 04 August 2023 19:59
To: Mick L mailto:lawson.m...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

The build manual for the saloon says fit an extra spacer in the Mk2 top mount, 
i guess that would apply to the Mk1 top mount as well.
Needs somebody with an early saloon build manual where the donor was the Mk1 
Fiesta.
Pretty sure the toe is parallel.
I have camber adjusting bolts on my 2+2, i will see if i can find the settings 
i ended up with.

Jim


On 04/08/2023 20:48, Mick L wrote:
Hello Everyone,

The saloon is slowly coming along but the suspension has been a irritating area 
to tackle.

First and foremost are mk1 top mounts supposed to have play in them when jacked 
up? I have refurbed both ours and fitted new bearings and they still do this 
and the car doesn't have a vague feel. I've never driven it hard yet as I 
simply don't think it's ready.

Secondly does anyone have any information as regards recommended castor and 
camber/ toe in and out. Having now fitted camber bolts and having a re-tinker 
this afternoon after a rather dodgy first geometry set up.

It now seems to drive a hell of alot better. But if the mounts are not meant to 
have play in them I'm guessing it's my final suspension hurdle to get it nice 
and tight. Unfortunately the mounts are not mounted the same as on the fiesta 
so your adjustable mounts will do castor not camber as designed.

Cheers
Mick
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

[Mick L]

The outlaw mounts have been out of stock a long time now sadly.


From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com  on behalf 
of Darren Siepka 
Sent: 04 August 2023 22:57
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

By the way the Micra parts are for the MK2 year.
Or if you really want original type outlaw have remade then.
https://www.outlawmotorsport.co.uk/product-page/mk1-fiesta-suspension-top-mounts


On Fri, 4 Aug 2023, 23:39 Darren Siepka, 
mailto:dar...@siepka.me.uk>> wrote:
The rubber section of the  MK1 top mounts slowly spread and you get play where 
the cup sits.
I originally remade some oversize cups to take up the slack the steel ones had, 
but it didn't last long as the rubber just isn't compliant due to age so just 
stretched more .
You can't get ford top mounts anymore BUT Nissan Micra mounts can be used and 
are cheaply sourced, so a good mod.

Darren

On Fri, 4 Aug 2023, 20:48 Mick L, 
mailto:lawson.m...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Hello Everyone,

The saloon is slowly coming along but the suspension has been a irritating area 
to tackle.

First and foremost are mk1 top mounts supposed to have play in them when jacked 
up? I have refurbed both ours and fitted new bearings and they still do this 
and the car doesn't have a vague feel. I've never driven it hard yet as I 
simply don't think it's ready.

Secondly does anyone have any information as regards recommended castor and 
camber/ toe in and out. Having now fitted camber bolts and having a re-tinker 
this afternoon after a rather dodgy first geometry set up.

 It now seems to drive a hell of alot better. But if the mounts are not meant 
to have play in them I'm guessing it's my final suspension hurdle to get it 
nice and tight. Unfortunately the mounts are not mounted the same as on the 
fiesta so your adjustable mounts will do castor not camber as designed.

Cheers
Mick

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

[Mick L]

That's who I have been talking to at the moment. Those mounts he does will do 
castor the way we mount them on quantums. There will be a nylong spacer on top 
still so as long as it clears the area it fits in ok you would still see some 
vibration absorption through the nylon wouldn't you? I am toying with the idea 
of 3d printing some of my own from nylon.

And I thought the Micra mounts were for a MK2 top not mk1?


From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com  on behalf 
of Darren Siepka 
Sent: 05 August 2023 09:56
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

Sorry to double post again,
But these people offer a cheaper bearing adjustable top to the procomp ones.
https://www.daperformanceengineering.co.uk/products/mk1-fiesta-adjustable-top-mounts

Whichever ones you went for(if that's the route you go)you need to verify they 
will fit up inside our shock tower due to the material thickness being greater 
than a metal tower would be

On Sat, 5 Aug 2023, 10:52 Darren Siepka, 
mailto:dar...@siepka.me.uk>> wrote:
No unfortunately you can't convert the early style two bolt tops on the saloon 
body to the doughnut MK2 type.
I have seen those bearing top mounts but remember they will transfer a lot more 
nvh into the body shell , not to mention impact stresses.
I think the Micra mounts are the way to go if you can't get or don't fancy 
paying for the ford type tops.

Darren

On Sat, 5 Aug 2023, 09:31 Mick L, 
mailto:lawson.m...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Sounds like despite the refurb the mounts are toast.

The strut tops were specifically designed for each mount style weren't they so 
I can't convert to mk2 tops mounts? Mine been a early mk2 makes me unsure if it 
would work as a solution.

The other option is I just fit some uprated top mounts and accept I'll only 
have castor on them as I've found some solid alloy ones for £100 over pro comps 
£150 for fixed or £180 for adjustable that may not fit


From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> 
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behalf of Darren Siepka mailto:dar...@siepka.me.uk>>
Sent: 04 August 2023 22:39
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

The rubber section of the  MK1 top mounts slowly spread and you get play where 
the cup sits.
I originally remade some oversize cups to take up the slack the steel ones had, 
but it didn't last long as the rubber just isn't compliant due to age so just 
stretched more .
You can't get ford top mounts anymore BUT Nissan Micra mounts can be used and 
are cheaply sourced, so a good mod.

Darren

On Fri, 4 Aug 2023, 20:48 Mick L, 
mailto:lawson.m...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Hello Everyone,

The saloon is slowly coming along but the suspension has been a irritating area 
to tackle.

First and foremost are mk1 top mounts supposed to have play in them when jacked 
up? I have refurbed both ours and fitted new bearings and they still do this 
and the car doesn't have a vague feel. I've never driven it hard yet as I 
simply don't think it's ready.

Secondly does anyone have any information as regards recommended castor and 
camber/ toe in and out. Having now fitted camber bolts and having a re-tinker 
this afternoon after a rather dodgy first geometry set up.

 It now seems to drive a hell of alot better. But if the mounts are not meant 
to have play in them I'm guessing it's my final suspension hurdle to get it 
nice and tight. Unfortunately the mounts are not mounted the same as on the 
fiesta so your adjustable mounts will do castor not camber as designed.

Cheers
Mick

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

[Mick L]

Sounds like despite the refurb the mounts are toast.

The strut tops were specifically designed for each mount style weren't they so 
I can't convert to mk2 tops mounts? Mine been a early mk2 makes me unsure if it 
would work as a solution.

The other option is I just fit some uprated top mounts and accept I'll only 
have castor on them as I've found some solid alloy ones for £100 over pro comps 
£150 for fixed or £180 for adjustable that may not fit


From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com  on behalf 
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Sent: 04 August 2023 22:39
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

The rubber section of the  MK1 top mounts slowly spread and you get play where 
the cup sits.
I originally remade some oversize cups to take up the slack the steel ones had, 
but it didn't last long as the rubber just isn't compliant due to age so just 
stretched more .
You can't get ford top mounts anymore BUT Nissan Micra mounts can be used and 
are cheaply sourced, so a good mod.

Darren

On Fri, 4 Aug 2023, 20:48 Mick L, 
mailto:lawson.m...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Hello Everyone,

The saloon is slowly coming along but the suspension has been a irritating area 
to tackle.

First and foremost are mk1 top mounts supposed to have play in them when jacked 
up? I have refurbed both ours and fitted new bearings and they still do this 
and the car doesn't have a vague feel. I've never driven it hard yet as I 
simply don't think it's ready.

Secondly does anyone have any information as regards recommended castor and 
camber/ toe in and out. Having now fitted camber bolts and having a re-tinker 
this afternoon after a rather dodgy first geometry set up.

 It now seems to drive a hell of alot better. But if the mounts are not meant 
to have play in them I'm guessing it's my final suspension hurdle to get it 
nice and tight. Unfortunately the mounts are not mounted the same as on the 
fiesta so your adjustable mounts will do castor not camber as designed.

Cheers
Mick

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

[Mick L]

Yeah it seems to in the mount rubber work as you can hear the squelsh on grease 
I used.


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Sent: 04 August 2023 20:24
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

I don't think there should be any play on the Mk1 setup.
Where is the the play ?, between the shock shaft and the bush in the top mount 
or lower down ?

I know some modern cars do have a lot of play in the top mount when the car is 
jacked up, like my Wife's Corsa, but it's by design.

Jim

On 04/08/2023 21:17, Mick L wrote:
Hi Jim,

Yeah ours has the nylon spacers on the top of the mounts already.


From: Jim Hearne <mailto:j...@quantums.info>
Sent: 04 August 2023 19:59
To: Mick L <mailto:lawson.m...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Castor and camber on a saloon and top mounts

The build manual for the saloon says fit an extra spacer in the Mk2 top mount, 
i guess that would apply to the Mk1 top mount as well.
Needs somebody with an early saloon build manual where the donor was the Mk1 
Fiesta.
Pretty sure the toe is parallel.
I have camber adjusting bolts on my 2+2, i will see if i can find the settings 
i ended up with.

Jim


On 04/08/2023 20:48, Mick L wrote:
Hello Everyone,

The saloon is slowly coming along but the suspension has been a irritating area 
to tackle.

First and foremost are mk1 top mounts supposed to have play in them when jacked 
up? I have refurbed both ours and fitted new bearings and they still do this 
and the car doesn't have a vague feel. I've never driven it hard yet as I 
simply don't think it's ready.

Secondly does anyone have any information as regards recommended castor and 
camber/ toe in and out. Having now fitted camber bolts and having a re-tinker 
this afternoon after a rather dodgy first geometry set up.

 It now seems to drive a hell of alot better. But if the mounts are not meant 
to have play in them I'm guessing it's my final suspension hurdle to get it 
nice and tight. Unfortunately the mounts are not mounted the same as on the 
fiesta so your adjustable mounts will do castor not camber as designed.

Cheers
Mick
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades

[Mick L]

As far as I'm aware they allow hid etc if they have washers and self levelling? 
Correct my if I am wrong?

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Sent: 22 July 2023 18:38
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades

Yes my 2+2 head lights ( and flaps) have gone !
I have created a mount with the new 90mm Hella unit and a small indicator( also 
modular Hella but about 40mm dia) .
The 90mm unit is a bi-xenon , it has a single bulb with a flap to create the 
dip cutoff pattern needed for mot.
Two additional items are also needed for xenon ( not sure about led), that is 
headlamp washers and self levelling.
Hella sell universal kits to go with the 90mm products , but the washers are 
easily and more cheaply done with a universal windscreen wash kit.

Levelling is a little more tricky, the Hella kit uses ultrasonics , I am using 
OEM lever arm sensors(BMW mini). I am making up a small driver module that will 
read the inputs and adjust the std OEM headlight motors . I will publish the 
build details including firmware as open source as I do all my work on GitHub.
My friendly MOT man is going to let me use the beam aligner out of hours to set 
it up and confirm all is well before the actual MOT test. But I need to finish 
getting the car back on road before I can do that.

Darren

On Sat, 22 Jul 2023, 17:51 mgaskin via Quantum Owners Group, 
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Hi all,



I’ve been doing some reading on the rules about headlights as for a long time 
I’ve wanted to improve my 2+2’s headlights, which seem particularly 
underwhelming after using my modern car.

There’s a lot of conflicting guidance online, which seems to stem from some 
changes to the MOT rules. So I started there, with the relevant part seeming to 
be section 4.1.4: 
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/



If I’ve understood it correctly, replacing your halogen bulbs with HID or LED 
equivalents is forbidden for any car used after 1st April 1986, and will lead 
to an automatic failure (‘light source and lamp not compatible’).  But the part 
that’s of interest to me, the amended rule, seems to state that there is NOT an 
automatic failure if you have replaced the *entire* headlamp unit with an LED 
or HID alternative. I’m presuming that they would need to be CE/UK CA marked, 
or given an E number but, again, that aspect seems to generate conflicting 
answers – and imported Japan-only or USA-only models seem to be able to pass 
MOTs just fine without those markings from what I’ve read.



There seem to be loads of possible replacement headlight units out there so I 
was wondering firstly if I’ve understood all of this correctly (anyone know a 
tame MOT tester?) and secondly if any of you have replaced your Q’s entire 
original halogen units with an LED or HID alternative. I’d be fascinated to 
hear what you picked and how it played out.



Hope you’re all having a great weekend.



Matthew

Q2-275

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Cvh Valve timing/ cam query

[Mick L]

Yes, I was starting to suspect I need to measure lift. It has no marking on the 
dizzy end so could be aftermarket as I too thought standard cams were stamped.

It has numerous idiotic repairs and mod to the inlet/ vacuum system too which 
is why they most likely have the ignition timing maxed advance and cam timing 
max on the Vernier too.

Feel like Ive bought a car from a 90s max power reader haha.


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Sent: 27 April 2023 08:11
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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Cvh Valve timing/ cam query

I’m not aware of a reason to use a vernier pulley on a standard cam on a CVH 
but people do funny things.
I think all the Piper and Kent cams i’ve had have had the model number stamped 
in the dizzy end.
I think the Ford cams do have a Ford logo and a part number cast into the cam.

To be sure if it’s a standard cam you will have to start measure the lift etc

If in doubt either put a standard pulley on it for the moment.

Jim

From: Mick L
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2023 9:45 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Cvh Valve timing/ cam query

Does anybody know if people have advanced the cam timing on cvh engines in 
relatively standard form?

Our engine is a 1600 bored out to 1800 and has a Vernier pulley fitted which is 
advanced full it seems.

I thought it must have a uprated camshaft fitted.

Upon inspection of under the rocker it had green dot valve springs which I 
thought were standard strength?

Furthermore to add to the the mystery upon removing the dizzy there was no 
markings visible at all. So is it a standard cam fitted with a Vernier pulley? 
Or do standard ford cams have markings in the dizzy end anyway? I always 
thought aftermarket cams were stamped too so I'm a bit lost.

Thanks
Mick
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[Quantum Owners] Cvh Valve timing/ cam query

[Mick L]

Does anybody know if people have advanced the cam timing on cvh engines in 
relatively standard form?

Our engine is a 1600 bored out to 1800 and has a Vernier pulley fitted which is 
advanced full it seems.

I thought it must have a uprated camshaft fitted.

Upon inspection of under the rocker it had green dot valve springs which I 
thought were standard strength?

Furthermore to add to the the mystery upon removing the dizzy there was no 
markings visible at all. So is it a standard cam fitted with a Vernier pulley? 
Or do standard ford cams have markings in the dizzy end anyway? I always 
thought aftermarket cams were stamped too so I'm a bit lost.

Thanks
Mick

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Engine mount Timing side

[Mick L]

New mount was pretty easy to fab up thankfully although I added the original 
ford nut by accident ooops haha.


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Sent: 24 April 2023 08:17
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Engine mount Timing side

Tbh when the Q were designed 40 yrs ago the parts were plentiful new from ford 
and they do last a very long time, even now OEM generally don't put removable 
rubber into engine mounts.

On Mon, 24 Apr 2023, 08:31 Mick L, 
mailto:lawson.m...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Not what I wanted to hear. More time taking work for a car needed for work next 
week.

Someone needs to change this design as the mounts are hard to come by and the 
idea of them needing such modification when so rare seems silly. I  amazed it 
was so poorly designed that the rubber inserts where not removable once the 
mount was modded for longevity.


From: 'Paul S Quantum' via Quantum Owners Group 
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Sent: 23 April 2023 20:22
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Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Engine mount Timing side


No the rubber parts do not remove normally. The top upper engine mount require 
a couple of modifications.

It requires one of the tabs cutting off and a small extension welding onto the 
bottom of the mount so the lower mounting hole is moved onto the welded 
extension piece.



The mounts were normally exchanged by QSC when the kit was bought but the 
change is not that big even if you need to pay someone to modify the mount for 
you.

Best using your original as a template.



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Sent: 23 April 2023 20:29
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Engine mount Timing side



The  mounts on this are all shot. I've got two new gearbox ends sorted but the 
main mount is modded compared to the xr2 according to Sb.



Do the rubber Interbals come out of standard mounts to fit into the modded 
units?



Thanks

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Radiator

[Mick L]

I tried a local radiator recon place and low and behold he pulled a old stock 
ford radiator out of storage...exact same one I currently have fitted :)

All parts now in so it's just engine in time after the mount is done. Getting 
there ..slowly :)


From: 'Paul S Quantum' via Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: 23 April 2023 20:15
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Radiator


We used rivnuts on the rad mounting flange, needed a couple of holes drilling 
in the rad flange but plenty big enough and nice thick alloy on airtec rad, so 
the mounting bolts can be accessed from the engine bay side doing away the need 
to try and get hands inside the nose cone area.

Yes the airtec radiator goes through the opening easily.







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Sent: 23 April 2023 20:05
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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Radiator



Do they go in without the come coming off? Guessing they are fed through the 
cut out carefully.





From: 'Paul S Quantum' via Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: 23 April 2023 11:52
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Radiator



My airtec rad is in the nose cone with zero issues.



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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Radiator



The air tec units do fit into the nose cone don't they without removing the 
cone? My rad is already in there.





From: 'Paul S Quantum' via Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: 22 April 2023 10:23
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Radiator



As I mentioned in a earlier reply we use a alloy XR2 Airtec radiator which 
while expensive are built well. I did get a “new” standard rad to fit but it 
was returned as the construction was so poor.



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Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Radiator



Judging from the retail price of an aluminium alloy rad, I suspect a 2nd-hand 
one would cost as much or more than a new standard one.

Martin Scott



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From: Mick L<mailto:lawson.m...@hotmail.com>
Sent: 22 April 2023 09:18
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Radiator



Does anyone have a used alloy radiator?



You would cringe at how much money I've spent on this saloon now so we're 
struggling to afford a radiator.



I feel very let down by the seller as it's taken all our spare cash and more.





From: 'Paul S Quantum' via Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: 21 April 2023 12:14
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Radiator



For the radiator the one we had on the car when it arrived was very much a case 
of very few fins left and looked ok ish from engine bay but other side it was 
clear it had been leaking for quite some time and well passed its best.

We got a alloy uprated radiator from Airtec which needed a few adjustments to 
how it was mounted.

Original was fastened on from the engine bay side where the thicker airtec was 
too close to the downpipes so had to be mounted from within the nose section.

Easy to do and can still be removed without taking the nose off.



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Sent: 21 April 2023 11:23
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Radiator



Our radiator is missing alot of fins.Are they standard fiesta xr2?



May aswell do it while the engines out.



Thanks Again

Mick

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Engine mount Timing side

[Mick L]

It's well shot like everything in this sadly. I am out of cash now beyond my 
paint budget that's it's now sadly. No new rad or tyres right size.

Ive sourced mounts for tomorow thankfully. I can weld ( been sick of it is a 
reason for a quantum in alot of ways haha)

I'll have to mod it to suit then fair enough. I am really scraping the mental 
health tank now.

2 weeks out of work, nothing left in the tank, a engine on the floor and no 
money left...nightmare


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of Jim Hearne 
Sent: 24 April 2023 08:08
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Engine mount Timing side

The rubber is moulded around the metalwork when the mount is made, no way of 
making it removable.
And as Chris said, it wasn’t possible to use the Ford mount unmodified on the 
CVH
The Quantum Mk2 Saloon was originally based on a Mk1 Fiesta with the crossflow 
engine and i believe it’s mounting did fit without modification.
Unfortunately when they switched to the Mk2 Fiesta the CVH mounting didn’t.

Are you sure the top mount needs replacing, they seem to last a lot better than 
the gearbox mounts, maybe it’s something you can do later ?

I have to say when i’m doing modifications on my Quantums i always try to 
modify parts that won’t need replacing at some point but not always feasible, 
like this engine mount.

Jim


From: Mick L
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2023 8:31 AM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Engine mount Timing side

Not what I wanted to hear. More time taking work for a car needed for work next 
week.

Someone needs to change this design as the mounts are hard to come by and the 
idea of them needing such modification when so rare seems silly. I  amazed it 
was so poorly designed that the rubber inserts where not removable once the 
mount was modded for longevity.


From: 'Paul S Quantum' via Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: 23 April 2023 20:22
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Engine mount Timing side


No the rubber parts do not remove normally. The top upper engine mount require 
a couple of modifications.

It requires one of the tabs cutting off and a small extension welding onto the 
bottom of the mount so the lower mounting hole is moved onto the welded 
extension piece.



The mounts were normally exchanged by QSC when the kit was bought but the 
change is not that big even if you need to pay someone to modify the mount for 
you.

Best using your original as a template.



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From: Mick L
Sent: 23 April 2023 20:29
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Engine mount Timing side



The  mounts on this are all shot. I've got two new gearbox ends sorted but the 
main mount is modded compared to the xr2 according to Sb.



Do the rubber Interbals come out of standard mounts to fit into the modded 
units?



Thanks

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Engine mount Timing side

[Mick L]

Not what I wanted to hear. More time taking work for a car needed for work next 
week.

Someone needs to change this design as the mounts are hard to come by and the 
idea of them needing such modification when so rare seems silly. I  amazed it 
was so poorly designed that the rubber inserts where not removable once the 
mount was modded for longevity.


From: 'Paul S Quantum' via Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: 23 April 2023 20:22
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Engine mount Timing side


No the rubber parts do not remove normally. The top upper engine mount require 
a couple of modifications.

It requires one of the tabs cutting off and a small extension welding onto the 
bottom of the mount so the lower mounting hole is moved onto the welded 
extension piece.



The mounts were normally exchanged by QSC when the kit was bought but the 
change is not that big even if you need to pay someone to modify the mount for 
you.

Best using your original as a template.



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Sent: 23 April 2023 20:29
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Engine mount Timing side



The  mounts on this are all shot. I've got two new gearbox ends sorted but the 
main mount is modded compared to the xr2 according to Sb.



Do the rubber Interbals come out of standard mounts to fit into the modded 
units?



Thanks

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[Quantum Owners] Engine mount Timing side

[Mick L]

The  mounts on this are all shot. I've got two new gearbox ends sorted but the 
main mount is modded compared to the xr2 according to Sb.

Do the rubber Interbals come out of standard mounts to fit into the modded 
units?

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Radiator

[Mick L]

Do they go in without the come coming off? Guessing they are fed through the 
cut out carefully.


From: 'Paul S Quantum' via Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: 23 April 2023 11:52
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Radiator


My airtec rad is in the nose cone with zero issues.



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Sent: 23 April 2023 08:11
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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Radiator



The air tec units do fit into the nose cone don't they without removing the 
cone? My rad is already in there.





From: 'Paul S Quantum' via Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: 22 April 2023 10:23
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Radiator



As I mentioned in a earlier reply we use a alloy XR2 Airtec radiator which 
while expensive are built well. I did get a “new” standard rad to fit but it 
was returned as the construction was so poor.



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Sent: 22 April 2023 10:47
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Radiator



Judging from the retail price of an aluminium alloy rad, I suspect a 2nd-hand 
one would cost as much or more than a new standard one.

Martin Scott



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From: Mick L<mailto:lawson.m...@hotmail.com>
Sent: 22 April 2023 09:18
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Radiator



Does anyone have a used alloy radiator?



You would cringe at how much money I've spent on this saloon now so we're 
struggling to afford a radiator.



I feel very let down by the seller as it's taken all our spare cash and more.





From: 'Paul S Quantum' via Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: 21 April 2023 12:14
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Radiator



For the radiator the one we had on the car when it arrived was very much a case 
of very few fins left and looked ok ish from engine bay but other side it was 
clear it had been leaking for quite some time and well passed its best.

We got a alloy uprated radiator from Airtec which needed a few adjustments to 
how it was mounted.

Original was fastened on from the engine bay side where the thicker airtec was 
too close to the downpipes so had to be mounted from within the nose section.

Easy to do and can still be removed without taking the nose off.



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From: Mick L<mailto:lawson.m...@hotmail.com>
Sent: 21 April 2023 11:23
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Radiator



Our radiator is missing alot of fins.Are they standard fiesta xr2?



May aswell do it while the engines out.



Thanks Again

Mick

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Radiator

[Mick L]

The air tec units do fit into the nose cone don't they without removing the 
cone? My rad is already in there.


From: 'Paul S Quantum' via Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: 22 April 2023 10:23
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Radiator


As I mentioned in a earlier reply we use a alloy XR2 Airtec radiator which 
while expensive are built well. I did get a “new” standard rad to fit but it 
was returned as the construction was so poor.



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Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Radiator



Judging from the retail price of an aluminium alloy rad, I suspect a 2nd-hand 
one would cost as much or more than a new standard one.

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From: Mick L<mailto:lawson.m...@hotmail.com>
Sent: 22 April 2023 09:18
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Radiator



Does anyone have a used alloy radiator?



You would cringe at how much money I've spent on this saloon now so we're 
struggling to afford a radiator.



I feel very let down by the seller as it's taken all our spare cash and more.





From: 'Paul S Quantum' via Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: 21 April 2023 12:14
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Radiator



For the radiator the one we had on the car when it arrived was very much a case 
of very few fins left and looked ok ish from engine bay but other side it was 
clear it had been leaking for quite some time and well passed its best.

We got a alloy uprated radiator from Airtec which needed a few adjustments to 
how it was mounted.

Original was fastened on from the engine bay side where the thicker airtec was 
too close to the downpipes so had to be mounted from within the nose section.

Easy to do and can still be removed without taking the nose off.



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From: Mick L<mailto:lawson.m...@hotmail.com>
Sent: 21 April 2023 11:23
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Radiator



Our radiator is missing alot of fins.Are they standard fiesta xr2?



May aswell do it while the engines out.



Thanks Again

Mick

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Engine removal on saloon with Cvh

[Mick L]

It's out Thanks for all the help so far


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Sent: 21 April 2023 07:01
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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Engine removal on saloon with Cvh

Tyre pressures Mick
26psi front and 23psi rear was often found to be a good set up.
I run on my Diesel 32 psi front 26psi rear which work well for me.
Tyres will have dramatic effect on the handling, how old are they?
Just removed a set off the green saloon we are in the middle of major 
restoration 1985 vintage to 1987 vintage!! Recommend to change tyres that are 5 
years of age or older.
I have shod them with 185x55 Hr14 (which don't foul the bodywork or trailing 
arms).
I have additional rack limiters too with Continental A rated wet and B rated 
for fuel.
Good luck with the resto of your Q.
Andy

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023, 22:15 Mick L, 
mailto:lawson.m...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Hello again everyone.

I got the saloon out on the road for the first time today since it broke down 
on purchase with a horrendous fuel leak.

Aswell as driving poorly and feeling vague (whole suspension to overhaul on the 
front I suspect  and a horrid exhaust to subframe rattle from old engine mounts 
maybe on rear ?)

It seems she has a  oil leak too. The engine is a 1600 Cvh bored out to 1818 
apparently. Leaking from the box end and dripping quite badly so it's engine 
out im told as easiest route to do it.

Any tips of pointers beyond the little bit of advice I've had off Andy already ?

2 front bolts.
2 rear bolts through floor inside cabin .
I bolt through o/s wheel arch and top bolt on Engine support...
Plus remove all other items and then drop engine and gearbox out in one from 
underneath.

I just want her sorted now as I've got this week coming to be finished in my 
friends unit and that's a painted car too k

Thanks
Mick

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[Quantum Owners] Re: Front suspension arm mount point issues

[Mick L]

I have just discovered the bolt comes all the way In to the footwell. Is this 
correct as standard?


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Subject: [Quantum Owners] Front suspension arm mount point issues

I already suspect I know the answer sadly.

Is the nut captive on the suspension arm ? Our drivers side is spinning and I 
see hairy bodge so I'm guessing someone has been here before.

Wow this is all getting very kit car haha.

Cut out the bad repair to gain access to nut,captivate it and repair with 
proper grade matting?

Thanks
Mick

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[Quantum Owners] Front suspension arm mount point issues

[Mick L]

I already suspect I know the answer sadly.

Is the nut captive on the suspension arm ? Our drivers side is spinning and I 
see hairy bodge so I'm guessing someone has been here before.

Wow this is all getting very kit car haha.

Cut out the bad repair to gain access to nut,captivate it and repair with 
proper grade matting?

Thanks
Mick

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Radiator

[Mick L]

Does anyone have a used alloy radiator?

You would cringe at how much money I've spent on this saloon now so we're 
struggling to afford a radiator.

I feel very let down by the seller as it's taken all our spare cash and more.


From: 'Paul S Quantum' via Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: 21 April 2023 12:14
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Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Radiator


For the radiator the one we had on the car when it arrived was very much a case 
of very few fins left and looked ok ish from engine bay but other side it was 
clear it had been leaking for quite some time and well passed its best.

We got a alloy uprated radiator from Airtec which needed a few adjustments to 
how it was mounted.

Original was fastened on from the engine bay side where the thicker airtec was 
too close to the downpipes so had to be mounted from within the nose section.

Easy to do and can still be removed without taking the nose off.



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Sent: 21 April 2023 11:23
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Subject: [Quantum Owners] Radiator



Our radiator is missing alot of fins.Are they standard fiesta xr2?



May aswell do it while the engines out.



Thanks Again

Mick

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Wheel and Tyre fitment 15 " 7 wheels and 14s... and Hello :)

[Mick L]

That's a good point and one i was already pondering. Are custom quantum springs 
still available?

Probably need to be a little lower than standard I suspect to have it low 
enough with 14s.


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Sent: 21 April 2023 08:11
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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Wheel and Tyre fitment 15 " 7 wheels and 14s... 
and Hello :)

The offset is a bit low ,iirc et20 was used on rwd fords(Capri etc) , but as 
long as you check for rubbing lock to lock then you should be fine. The 
reduction in profile to 55 does make a dramatic difference over the 60profile.
Regards ride, you mention lowering springs , if these are xr2 fiesta ones then 
yes the ride will be shocking as they are far too hard.
Quantum used to sell custom made springs correctly rated to give the correct 
height while maintaining a decent ride quality.

Darren

On Fri, 21 Apr 2023, 08:33 Mick L, 
mailto:lawson.m...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
We do want a car that drives right not just looks right so it does sound like 
14s may be what we have to stick with sadly then. The rides awful already but 
I'm guessing that's some cheap lowering springs as it has Monroe shocks.

With our current tyres been 60 profile and too wide on the rear Is there a 
chance it should be absolutely fine clearance wise if I put the right tyres on 
these 14?

They are lovely deep dish wheels so I would keep them in a heartbeat .

Thanks
Mick


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Sent: 21 April 2023 06:52
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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Wheel and Tyre fitment 15 " 7 wheels and 14s... 
and Hello :)

Depending on the make and design shape of the tyre you can sometimes get away 
with a 195/50 15 , but it is far better to use 195/45 15 ( I do on 2+2 and 
saloon).
The official recommendation from old quantum was to use 185/55 14 . They didn't 
recommend using 15s or bigger as they felt the ride quality was too poor .
I will be honest that the ride is much harsher on the 45 15s than on 55 14s ( I 
started out on 14s)

A bigger wheel will allow for larger disc fitment ( example ,I have 285 mm on 
the front , these only fit under 15s)

Darren

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023, 21:54 Mick L, 
mailto:lawson.m...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
We have recently purchased a saloon and I planned to turn her around in a 
couple of weeks to use daily after been laid off.Myself and my partner have 
always wanted one. So hello everyone.

 It's turned into a whole lot of work I was not expecting sadly and I'm already 
a week in and the engines out tomorrow so not any closer to prepping for paint 
:(

Onwards and upwards :)

One of the simpler issues is the wheels. She is currently fitted with 14s 6 
wide Et20. 185 60 front and 195 rear I believe.

They look lovely but do catch the rear arch around 4/5 and 7/8 o clock 
positions. My question is...Is this simply down the the rears been 195 or is it 
because the offset of these wheels is incorrect as they do come out the arch.

I have the opportunity to buy a set of wheels that are 15" 7 wide and et35 so 
ford offset I believe. Is there a universe where these wheels would fit without 
rubbing with 195 45 15s?

 If so I would sell ours and get them instead.

Thanks
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Sump or crank seal?

[Mick L]

Thanks, Looks like it's a engine out affair anyway then and a dam good 
inspection of where it's leaking


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Sent: 21 April 2023 12:01
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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Sump or crank seal?

It could be the crank seal or it could just be the sump gasket.
The CVH sump gaskets are always a pain to get leak free, especially if they are 
the 4 piece sort with cork sides.

But, it’s even harder to get the CVH gasket fitted leak free if the engine is 
in the car.
I always do them with engine out and upside down.

Jim




From: Mick L
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Subject: [Quantum Owners] Sump or crank seal?

What's people's opinions then? Before I go all out and take the motor out.

I will avoid it if needed of course as I'm already behind and have a job lined 
up hopefully in a week and a half.

Mick

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[Quantum Owners] Radiator

[Mick L]

Our radiator is missing alot of fins.Are they standard fiesta xr2?

May aswell do it while the engines out.

Thanks Again
Mick

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Wheel and Tyre fitment 15 " 7 wheels and 14s...and Hello :)

[Mick L]

ThankYou for I formation. So based on your testing would 15" 7 wide 35 offset 
fit ok?

I will forward our u formation over once I'm clean as I'm removing the engine 
as we speak.

Thanks Mick

From: 'Paul S Quantum' via Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: 21 April 2023 08:25
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Wheel and Tyre fitment 15 " 7 wheels and 
14s...and Hello :)


We did lots of testing with wheel sizes when we had a 2+2.

It originally came with the factory recommended 14 inch wheels with the factory 
recommended sizes, it was the factory demo/brochure car so was still fitted 
with the wheels from the brochure photos.

We tried wheel sizes from 13 to 16 inch.

For comfort 13 inch were by far the best for comfort but the wheels looked too 
small and the handling was the worst of all tested.

The stock size it came with was 14 inch, it was fitted with the ford lattice 
xr3i cabro style wheels. They looked ok and it drove better than with the 13’s.

For us for road use 15’s fitted with 195 45 15 tyres is the best compromise of 
looks, easy to get tyres and good road manners.

When we tried 16’s they were very very harsh and on a track superb but for road 
use a step too far.



When I bought my saloon it was fitted with 15 wheels, ford style again which I 
didn’t like as too modern, so bought a new set of wheels for it.

The wheels bought were 15 inch using the same logic that applied to the 2+2. 
Fitted with 195 45 15 there has never been any tyre rubbing even with 4 people 
and the dogs in the car.

In my experience the brand of tyre can effect the way the 2+2/saloon drives 
almost as much as wheel size.

When I bought my saloon it had 15s with 195b 45 unbranded tyres and the ride 
was quite harsh yet when fitted with the new wheels which are the same size 
apart from 2mm less offset fitted with toyo tyres and the ride is much better.



I am the historian for the QOC & If you don’t mind would you mind forwarding 
the registration and chassis number of your saloon to  
quantumhistor...@gmail.com<mailto:quantumhistor...@gmail.com> as I have 
recently updated the quantum owners club register for the model and would like 
to check to see if we have your car on the register list.



Paul



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From: Mick L<mailto:lawson.m...@hotmail.com>
Sent: 20 April 2023 21:54
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Wheel and Tyre fitment 15 " 7 wheels and 14s... and 
Hello :)



We have recently purchased a saloon and I planned to turn her around in a 
couple of weeks to use daily after been laid off.Myself and my partner have 
always wanted one. So hello everyone.



 It's turned into a whole lot of work I was not expecting sadly and I'm already 
a week in and the engines out tomorrow so not any closer to prepping for paint 
:(



Onwards and upwards :)



One of the simpler issues is the wheels. She is currently fitted with 14s 6 
wide Et20. 185 60 front and 195 rear I believe.



They look lovely but do catch the rear arch around 4/5 and 7/8 o clock 
positions. My question is...Is this simply down the the rears been 195 or is it 
because the offset of these wheels is incorrect as they do come out the arch.



I have the opportunity to buy a set of wheels that are 15" 7 wide and et35 so 
ford offset I believe. Is there a universe where these wheels would fit without 
rubbing with 195 45 15s?



 If so I would sell ours and get them instead.



Thanks

Mick and Giuliana





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Re: [Quantum Owners] Wheel and Tyre fitment 15 " 7 wheels and 14s... and Hello :)

[Mick L]

We do want a car that drives right not just looks right so it does sound like 
14s may be what we have to stick with sadly then. The rides awful already but 
I'm guessing that's some cheap lowering springs as it has Monroe shocks.

With our current tyres been 60 profile and too wide on the rear Is there a 
chance it should be absolutely fine clearance wise if I put the right tyres on 
these 14?

They are lovely deep dish wheels so I would keep them in a heartbeat .

Thanks
Mick


From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com  on behalf 
of Darren Siepka 
Sent: 21 April 2023 06:52
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Wheel and Tyre fitment 15 " 7 wheels and 14s... 
and Hello :)

Depending on the make and design shape of the tyre you can sometimes get away 
with a 195/50 15 , but it is far better to use 195/45 15 ( I do on 2+2 and 
saloon).
The official recommendation from old quantum was to use 185/55 14 . They didn't 
recommend using 15s or bigger as they felt the ride quality was too poor .
I will be honest that the ride is much harsher on the 45 15s than on 55 14s ( I 
started out on 14s)

A bigger wheel will allow for larger disc fitment ( example ,I have 285 mm on 
the front , these only fit under 15s)

Darren

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023, 21:54 Mick L, 
mailto:lawson.m...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
We have recently purchased a saloon and I planned to turn her around in a 
couple of weeks to use daily after been laid off.Myself and my partner have 
always wanted one. So hello everyone.

 It's turned into a whole lot of work I was not expecting sadly and I'm already 
a week in and the engines out tomorrow so not any closer to prepping for paint 
:(

Onwards and upwards :)

One of the simpler issues is the wheels. She is currently fitted with 14s 6 
wide Et20. 185 60 front and 195 rear I believe.

They look lovely but do catch the rear arch around 4/5 and 7/8 o clock 
positions. My question is...Is this simply down the the rears been 195 or is it 
because the offset of these wheels is incorrect as they do come out the arch.

I have the opportunity to buy a set of wheels that are 15" 7 wide and et35 so 
ford offset I believe. Is there a universe where these wheels would fit without 
rubbing with 195 45 15s?

 If so I would sell ours and get them instead.

Thanks
Mick and Giuliana



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[Quantum Owners] Engine removal on saloon with Cvh

[Mick L]

Hello again everyone.

I got the saloon out on the road for the first time today since it broke down 
on purchase with a horrendous fuel leak.

Aswell as driving poorly and feeling vague (whole suspension to overhaul on the 
front I suspect  and a horrid exhaust to subframe rattle from old engine mounts 
maybe on rear ?)

It seems she has a  oil leak too. The engine is a 1600 Cvh bored out to 1818 
apparently. Leaking from the box end and dripping quite badly so it's engine 
out im told as easiest route to do it.

Any tips of pointers beyond the little bit of advice I've had off Andy already ?

2 front bolts.
2 rear bolts through floor inside cabin .
I bolt through o/s wheel arch and top bolt on Engine support...
Plus remove all other items and then drop engine and gearbox out in one from 
underneath.

I just want her sorted now as I've got this week coming to be finished in my 
friends unit and that's a painted car too k

Thanks
Mick

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[Quantum Owners] Wheel and Tyre fitment 15 " 7 wheels and 14s... and Hello :)

[Mick L]

We have recently purchased a saloon and I planned to turn her around in a 
couple of weeks to use daily after been laid off.Myself and my partner have 
always wanted one. So hello everyone.

 It's turned into a whole lot of work I was not expecting sadly and I'm already 
a week in and the engines out tomorrow so not any closer to prepping for paint 
:(

Onwards and upwards :)

One of the simpler issues is the wheels. She is currently fitted with 14s 6 
wide Et20. 185 60 front and 195 rear I believe.

They look lovely but do catch the rear arch around 4/5 and 7/8 o clock 
positions. My question is...Is this simply down the the rears been 195 or is it 
because the offset of these wheels is incorrect as they do come out the arch.

I have the opportunity to buy a set of wheels that are 15" 7 wide and et35 so 
ford offset I believe. Is there a universe where these wheels would fit without 
rubbing with 195 45 15s?

 If so I would sell ours and get them instead.

Thanks
Mick and Giuliana


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